Warhammer and Such

[upper bluff]

Ok people can panic now

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-panic-chaos-fire-gif-4920941

[jaunty dawn]

But I wouldn’t say drukhari are really in a similar boat to daemons

[upper bluff]

Yeah not at all

[jaunty dawn]

Plus the eldar codex already came out

[dense sedge]

Votann seem to be between salamanders and fists im the coming soon, drukhari are the only faction so far unaccounted for

[jaunty dawn]

Someones always gonna be last unfortunately

[west zealot]

Really? Interesting.

From an outsiders perspective it feels like Eldar need More TM... But a lot of that More is just "actually show them getting some wins - tragically doomed doesn't mean always getting murked".

Drukhari just seem like they need to lean more into haemoculus and biomancy shenanigans to help really cement an identity, and actually do something with Vect: Dark Muse, instead of him presumably still tposing while announcing he's a Dark Muse

(Also it's just always gonna be hard to get players behind Faction: We are sick sadists. Maybe if you can dial up the vampire and winter fae vibes)

[floral herald]

DE just need a range refresh for their HQ

[dense sedge]

Archon is fine, haemonculi need a line refresh like kroot and vect needs a set piece model

[floral herald]

It probably wouldn’t hurt to add more kits or update some stuff but what they really need is like Vect and Lady Malys and the court of the archon to not be OOP

Agree wrt Haemonculi they haven’t aged as well as the rest of the 5e models

[dense sedge]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kheradruakh

I want to see this guy too

Four armed named mandrake

I have t heard the drukhari called winter fae before

[floral herald]

Oh man I forgot about him

I miss the 5e era of just making up a few fucked up model-less named characters every codex

[dense sedge]

A lone op character would be fun, especially since he definitely wants a ‘cannot be over watched’ effect and stealth that would make him even more of a pain

[west zealot]

I do like the DE think mandrakes are Too Spooky. mandrakes think their king is Way Too Spooky

(and his deeply fucked up skull ritual he actually succeeded at)

[dense sedge]

A mercenary focused detachment for drukhari would be neat

Scourges, incubi, mandrakes and maybe corsairs

[floral herald]

That would be neat yeah

[pulsar cairn]

Which are the more stable loyalist geneseeds?

[floral herald]

ultramarines

Dangels are also up there

[pulsar cairn]

Neat

What about imperial fists?

[floral herald]

not in great shape before primaris

Albeit less because of stability and more intentional removal

[pulsar cairn]

Makes a lot of sense considering how many chapters there are with their geneseed

intentional removal?

[floral herald]

They stopped adding the sus-an membrane and betcher's gland shortly before the siege of terra to make more imperial fists faster and then never added them back

[pulsar cairn]

Oooooh

Dang

Interesting tho

Thanks for all the info Cyan

Imma go bed now

Gn!

[desert jay]

Overrated organs I say

[floral herald]

they are definitely less important ones yeah

[runic swallow]

The sus-an is a useful one in somewhat niche contexts, but I’d say the “spit acid” and “eat brains” ones are the ones I’d say to cut

[floral herald]

Honestly the memory consumption is really useful

[runic swallow]

I guess I’ve never recalled it being used that often

[floral herald]

I think the writers kinda... don't use it as often as they should

[runic swallow]

I think it’s also one where it’s limitations/function aren’t super consistent

Like is it “I have a vague impression of some stuff” or is it “I NOW HAVE THE ENEMY LAUNCH CODES, BROTHERS”

[floral herald]

Yeah that's also true

I think the biggest thing I remember it doing was letting some space marines learn how to drive Tau vehicles real fast

[thin ibex]

Hmm someone hit me with a faction and list theme

I'll build something at 3k

[tired cairn]

Clearly (almost) all space marines should get the "gain a CP on killing a character" ability like Lictors have

[jagged dawn]

Art by Rmulderz on twitter

Space wolves inspired Sororitas

[uneven ember]

https://bsky.app/profile/jetblackraider.itch.io/post/3llfuqlmm2k25

JBR (@jetblackraider.itch.io)

Likes

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Bluesky · Mar 28, 2025, 3:29 AM

[deft crest]

I did it folks, skarbrand pulled his weight and holy SHIT do the bloodthirsters just kill shit

I dont think I used many of the stratagems except literally the "fight before you die" one from the khorne rules so I might change my detatchment.

4+ invulns are great and 11 toughness is so satisfying

We both were learning so we forgot some rules but

Keeping bloodletters in Deepstrike seems to be the method

Skullcannons can survive a good deal and also vehicles can shoot while in melee so they are good at just ramming shit and tank shocking units and then being a sticky bastard unit

Dogs did decent. The fact that they can undeploy at the end of the opponents turn is nuts

Thirsters at first felt kinda lame, but then i swung a weapon and also READ MY RULES

8d6 4+mortal wounds after fight phase.

WHEW thats a lot of dead marines

[topaz hinge]

Jesus

[deft crest]

I think that the blood legion detachment stratagems and base rules are extremely lacking aside from 1 point to get a 50/50 on a last strike on death, or more useful 1 point to charge through terrain as if it wasnt there.

Like Sheathed in brass is so bad

1 to get a 3+ save against a shooting attack

But like

My saves are almost always 3+ when it would matter and 4++ if its anything thats worth shooting

[cinder wraith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/796103497748578364/1355045032809332806/gw_sucks.gif

[paper bluff]

I'd go the opposite way with the eat brains one

And you know how we see some chapters with overdeveloped 1 specific organ(black dragons skeleton one, souldrinkers the eating one, et al) ? It would be cool for one to the acid one

I pitch one of those and it's loyalist word bearers

[quaint compass]

The Ruin Speakers

[upper canopy]

This guy never spat acid in someone's face and it shows.....................

[desert jay]

It's a little hard when wearing your regulation helmet

[jaunty dawn]

‘Not wearing a helmet is dumb’ ‘space wolves are stupid’ fuck you. Spits acid

[thin ibex]

iirc its to ensure that the space marine retains a projectile weapon even when all their limbs are gone

and can also be used to melt bonds or restraints

[floral herald]

Also works in conjunction with several other implants to let space marines eat weird things like wood

[desert jay]

See? Just never get delimbed or captured

[tired cairn]

Normally, not wearing your helmet doesn't matter. It was really rude when Thousand Sons defied genre conventions and magically guided bullets to headshot spacewolves during the burning of Prospero

[thin ibex]

pretty much, though also space wolves apparently cultivate reflexes to dodge bullets and in many cases can just eat shots to the face

when its not a bolter round or something

[tired cairn]

Ah, eating shots to the face is clearly what that acid generating gland is for

[jaunty dawn]

Yesss

[uneven ember]

"BECAUSE IT'S GONNA FUCKING RULE MAL WHY DO YOU NEED TO GET UP MY ASS ABOUT THIS"

[elfin orbit]

Hello I have a meme

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/6g8KuN2LQy

The slaanesh bathroom does not have anything for actually evacuating waste, it's just for making yourself look perfect

The nurgle bathroom makes you vomit the moment you enter

[desert jay]

Trick question. Neither of these are restrooms

One's for orgies and the other one is for medical waste

[elfin orbit]

You wish it was just for medical water

Waste

[pulsar cairn]

One could also be full of bees

[desert jay]

That's the Tzeentch door (but only on Tuesdays)

[raw vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/227912785290330113/1355224222531850540/GnFJ8c_XoAEH97N.png?ex=67e82669&is=67e6d4e9&hm=d19e890099cbb2353988b5275dc8f9b2b1a60ea82ae6f8859f7f0e324eb783dc&

Slaanesh toilet vs Nurgle toilet

[paper bluff]

If the black dragons get special weapons due to mutation, the acid spitters should too

[elfin orbit]

Nah, both toilets would crave your bodily waste in nurgle vs slaanesh

Just for different reasons

[runic swallow]

“Oh no, why are all our glorious leaders being killed?”
“I dunno sarge, maybe they all caught shrapnel to the dome from all the artillery flying around, just a thought.”
“…Brother, I respectfully request your silence.”

[pastel rampart]

https://www.wargamer.com/paul-sawyer-has-died

[tired cairn]

Oh, iirc they aren't targeting leaders in particular in this case: Space Wolves often don't wear helmets so they can better take advantage of their enhanced senses

So I guess the author of that story decided to get cute and TSons taking advantage of that lol

(barely related, but I kind of like how in one of the DoW cinematics, a Eldar ranger gets a headshot on a space marine and it just pings off the helmet)

[thin ibex]

i think its a fine enough thing to do, Space wolves are often making that choice because it lends them an advantage. But its always a compromise. Their true nemesis exploiting that is a good metanarrative element

[tired cairn]

It's mostly funny in juxtaposition with how the setting pointedly ignores it for named characters' helmet choice

[pastel rampart]

iirc one of the old excuses was that characters had some sort of small force field around their heads but I think that might've been fanon.

[tired cairn]

Clearly the chaos gods are very interested in the melodrama between important people and directly intervene if they would die too easily. This is why so many characters have invulnerable saves

[runic swallow]

Oh I was making a more general joke about why not wearing helmets is a bad idea lol

[frail jacinth]

i guess iron halos fit into that category? not that everyone's got one

i'm pretty sure htat's what they do

[pastel rampart]

For some, yeah.

[unreal cosmos]

Obviously the best answer is "they ARE wearing their helmet(s) but I have the same cosmetic setting as some video games where you can see their face anyway"

[pastel rampart]

Translucent helmets

[desert jay]

If someone came up with how to do retro-scifi bubble helmets on models without being a PITA that would be cool

[pastel rampart]

Uuuuuh probably just finding hollow plastic spheres and cutting a hole in the bottom?

[desert jay]

I was thinking more on the user side than manufacturing

Because they'd have to be glued on post-painting

[pastel rampart]

Ah, well, if both are plastic that shouldn't be too difficult. Plastic glue means no fumes.

[desert jay]

I'm guess I'm worried about having glue visible on top of the paint job through a transparent part

[pastel rampart]

Tamiya ultra thin doesn't really leave much of a residue once dry.

But yeah it's one of those things I puzzle over. Cylindrical clear stuff is easier compared to spheres.

[pulsar cairn]

i wonder who made these, anyone knows?

[tired cairn]

Well, if it's a clear bubble you probably want to glue it on after some painting so the head or whatever underneath can be painted.

I think a problem with bubble helmets is that plastic often doesn't look quite right on a model.

I wonder if you can do a cute locking system with modern GW plastic techniques

[fast lotus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/peu0z0/the_collection_of_imperial_pugs_remixed_by_me/ seems like it was a guy on reddit

[pulsar cairn]

thank you!

[thin ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyNKPl3mT5I

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1355382704845099138/bafkreicamjylcsqutrgakpvenwz4zs7az746f2yqmt7mmrzo65bs3jdxn4.jpg?ex=67e8ba02&is=67e76882&hm=c416a561757ebe343a216b16fa7d3349cbcb987aadb01bc091354f2bc1c57671&

[west zealot]

My brain is forever getting World Eaters and Word Bearers slightly confused, which in turn suggests the chapters of the Word Eaters & World Bearers.

khornate berserker just shoving an entire book into his mouth

Complete with wood chipper noises

[mental birch]

hahahaha (1000 points)

Chaos Daemons
Incursion (1000 points)
Scintillating Legion

CHARACTERS

Changecaster (70 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Arcane Fireball
1x Herald combat weapon
• Enhancement: Inescapable Eye

BATTLELINE

Blue Horrors (125 points)
• 10x Blue Horror
• 10x Blue claws
10x Coruscating Blue Flames

Blue Horrors (125 points)
• 10x Blue Horror
• 10x Blue claws
10x Coruscating Blue Flames

Pink Horrors (140 points)
• 10x Pink Horror
• 10x Coruscating Pink Flames
10x Pink claws

Pink Horrors (140 points)
• 10x Pink Horror
• 10x Coruscating Pink Flames
10x Pink claws

Pink Horrors (140 points)
• 10x Pink Horror
• 10x Coruscating Pink Flames
10x Pink claws

OTHER DATASHEETS

Burning Chariot (115 points)
• 1x Fire of Tzeentch
1x Flamer mouths
1x Screamer bites

Flamers (65 points)
• 1x Pyrocaster
• 1x Flamer mouths
1x Flickering Flames
• 2x Flamer
• 2x Flamer mouths
2x Flickering Flames

Screamers (80 points)
• 3x Screamer
• 3x Lamprey bite

Exported with App Version: v1.29.1 (74), Data Version: v581

What do folks think of this list

I call it the colour tide

[sweet solar]

the helmet just needs a peg. on the customer side drill a hole and glue a clear peg to the helmet. then glue the bottom of the peg to the bottom the hole

just has to be deep enough that its in shadow so the glue is unseen

[desert jay]

Yeah sounds like it would work

[upper canopy]

https://bsky.app/profile/mwheth.bsky.social/post/3lljggawswk2y

Matt Whetherly (@mwheth.bsky.social)

It's ready for you to all have a play with.
There's no instructions, so have a go and see if you can figure it out for now.

Reply or quote share your creations, I want to see some cool schemes!

scheme.mwpaints.com

#nerdlings
#minipainting

Bluesky · Mar 29, 2025, 1:23 PM

[tired cairn]

I cannot figure this out at all lol

[dense idol]

finally, we've come full circle back to Color A Dinosaur (NES, 1993)

[pastel rampart]

I only wish the color thingie on the left popped up immediately and not make you feel like an idiot for 30 seconds.

[dense idol]

this is embarassingly enjoyable

[pastel rampart]

"My spine is a corn on the cob."

[thin ibex]

Corncron

[tired cairn]

Oh is that what I was doing wrong lmao

[empty siren]

I've recently been looking at Tau and I'm loving it

Broadsides are awesome. Hammerheads are brutal. Sunforgers are just mean

[thin ibex]

They have great tools for sure

Tau have a bit of a glass cannon problem, but their guns do not usually disappoint

[tired cairn]

🤔 https://bsky.app/profile/opinionhaver.bsky.social/post/3lljy4pdqgk24

William B. Fuckley (@opinionhaver.bsky.social)

Every space marine chapter is basically how British people see other kinds of white people. Blood Angels are Greeks, Space Wolves are Scandinavians, Ultramarines are Americans, Imperial Fists are Germans, Black Templars are also American, Dark Angels are French, etc.

Bluesky · Mar 29, 2025, 6:40 PM

[thin ibex]

That feels pretty off the mark imo

Space marine chapters are caricatures, but not all national ones

[jaunty dawn]

Another problem with this is a lot of British people dont consider greeks white /hj

[floral herald]

It doesn't make sense because blood angels are italian

[pale narwhal]

Ultramarines are pretty roman as well

[runic swallow]

Also Black Templars have “Teutonic Knight” as there whole thing

[floral herald]

It doesn't make sense because they're all italian

[runic swallow]

Like, that’s their entire thing

Also Dark Angels are like, Arthurian

[jaunty dawn]

Tbf arthurian is pretty french

Like

At least in portrayal. Mort d’arthur !

[floral herald]

There's a lot going into the DAs I think

Knightly orders, secret societies, etc

[jaunty dawn]

There are pre-french arthur stuff but thats not really the type of arthurian da necessarily has going on

[empty siren]

Holy moly Tau is funny

Experimental Cadre is bruuutal

Starscythes with enforcer equipped with thermoneutronic projector. 10 18" flamers, with the enforcer giving one of his flamers +2 str +1 ap and +1 dmg

It's beautiful. I want a unit like this in my army. It's some incredibly effective anti infantry with over watches. Especially because Starscythes give their weapons +1 ap against non monsters and vehicles

[pale narwhal]

Experimental Cadre is very straightforwardly solid

The extra range helps a lot of stuff, strats do too

[jaunty dawn]

My sister is getting me to play a game of 40k so she can use experimental cadre

[empty siren]

I probably won't run it personally. Because I wanna run patient hunter

And just throw a bunch of missiles with sustained hits 2 at my friends

Tau look like so much fun tho ngl

[pale narwhal]

kauyon is my current go-to

it's good fun

[empty siren]

It looks effective

[pale narwhal]

It is as long as you can deny scoring for the first two turns

[empty siren]

By battleround three and the right gear, your opponent could probably be kinda slowed down or weakened. Then dropping in and dealing the killing blow to secure their deployment zone obj and score secondaries while they're still trynna push into the midzone

[pale narwhal]

Kroot are good at that with scout, pathfinders are good for that, piranhas are good for denial

[empty siren]

I was actually thinking of adding vespids. I saw a list using them and apparently they're great for secondaries like scoring things in your opponents zone, long battlefield edge, edge to edge, etc

Cause you can at the end of your opponents turn, put em in strategic reserves

[pale narwhal]

Vespids are very good scoring tech

I can grab the list I used last if you want

[empty siren]

It's also 5 for 65. If you want a pts filler

Is it bad I'm not planning on running farsight? I think some ethereals would be nice for extra cp. Like for the photon grenades strat and extra survivability on the mid board. It is by chance sure, but seems worth

[empty siren]

Sure

[pale narwhal]

Cadre Fireblade (50pts): Close combat weapon, Fireblade pulse rifle, 2x Gun Drone, Twin pulse carbine
Cadre Fireblade (50pts): Close combat weapon, Fireblade pulse rifle, 2x Gun Drone, Twin pulse carbine
Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit (115pts): Warlord, Exemplar of the Kauyon, 4x Plasma rifle, Battlesuit fists, 2x Shield Drone

10x Breacher Team (100pts)
10x Breacher Team (100pts)

10x Kroot Carnivores (65pts)
10x Pathfinder Team (90pts)
3x Stealth Battlesuits (60pts)
3x Stealth Battlesuits (60pts)
3x Stealth Battlesuits (60pts)
5x Vespid Stingwings (65pts)
2x Broadside Battlesuits (180pts)
3x Crisis Fireknife Battlesuits (130pts)
Ghostkeel Battlesuit (160pts): Ghostkeel fists, Battlesuit support system, Fusion collider, Twin fusion blaster
Piranha (60pts)
Riptide Battlesuit (190pts): Riptide fists, Ion accelerator, 2x Missile Drone, Missile pod, Twin smart missile system
Sky Ray Gunship (140pts): Armoured hull, Seeker missile rack, 2 Smart missile systems, 2x Smart missile system
Sky Ray Gunship (140pts): Armoured hull, Seeker missile rack, 2 Smart missile systems, 2x Smart missile system
Devilfish (85pts): Accelerator burst cannon, Armoured hull, 2x Seeker missile, 2 Smart missile systems, 2x Smart missile system
Devilfish (85pts): Accelerator burst cannon, Armoured hull, 2x Seeker missile, 2 Smart missile systems, 2x Smart missile system

Gameplan is to use piranha, kroot, and pathfinders to deny primary along with pushing the ghostkeel aggressively. Broadsides go in strategic reserve to walk on from a board edge turn 2-3, vespids for secondaries.

[empty siren]

I was planning on running some Hammerheads for my list ngl

They looked funny

[pale narwhal]

Hammerheads are good, yeah

Competitive lists swap the crisis and broadsides and a breacherfish out for a hammerhead and another riptide usually iirc. Also another piranha and a lone krootox rider for scouting up and contesting the center

[rocky shale]

Unexplored ordinance is a horrible mission holy shit

Never again

[pastel rampart]

Yeah but how'd the 40k game go :v

[tired cairn]

I don't know why they changed the name (it used to be servitors iirc). But I feel it is very good for the first player and if anyone gets ahead they can easily run away with it

[rocky shale]

I managed to win entirely by scoring 40 points on secondaries with no primary points. The other guy went fixed all fronts/behind enemy lines and it kinda bit him once I killed off his fast units.

It was still a fun game but the primary basically didn't exist

[rocky shale]

If you rush no man's land and have a ton of cheap objective units you can sacrifirce in turns 1-3 then you can score huge points. It's super dependent on the terrain layout for how easy it is to push the objectives around.

Ours was one of the more open GW tourney maps

[dense sedge]

what's the mission's layout/objectives?

that catually looks fun, what made it so bad?

oh read above I see

what army were you running?

pariah nexus crusade has a fun mission where you can move the objectives, there's two with a diagonal requirement, made it essentially payload rate, a lto of fun

[west zealot]

really depends on which arthurian. but yeah, they seem more french arthurian.

Wait,is Cypher Modred or Lancelot?

[mental birch]

So word of warning

As a tau player

We are not a shooting army

Our decent shooting is a trick

A scan

Scam a bamboozle

[potent jewel]

Explain?

[jaunty dawn]

Shooting is like the least good ability for winning the game but thats okay. Unless youre more dakka ig

[mental birch]

We're a movement bullshit army that uses shooting to make space

[potent jewel]

Rrrright

[mental birch]

Thinking about tau as a shooting army limits play

The real shooting army is guard

[desert jay]

Followed by Orks with the new detachment :v

[potent jewel]

Right, the Dakkatachment

[mental birch]

Sometimes a nonsense charge wins you a fight

[thin ibex]

Tau shooting is generally somewhat average, or a bit better than average, barring like one or two pieces. But we have shenanigans and if we can apply those pieces right, you do work. At least in my experience

[mental birch]

Is more trying to say we are better off focusing on our good ability to get places

[pulsar cairn]

do orks find energy weapons to be not as fun btw?

i ask cause i imagine they dont make "dakka dakka" when they shoot

[jaunty dawn]

its okay cause they go zap

or crackle

or pop

[thin ibex]

They like energy weapons well enough, they're just usually unstable and super powerful when it comes to orks

Zzap canon used to be, well still bad, but might occasionally hit hella hard

And their mega blastas are always hazardous because they don't care about a safe mode

[empty siren]

Womp womp

I use shooty anyways

I don't necessarily play to win. I just play to play

My objective is to roll more dice than my opponent, and hang out with my friends. I've never actually played against anyone I didn't know. I do plan on having a gameplan tho. I was thinking of taking a few vespids to abuse their teleport ability and secure secondaries around the map

[sour sequoia]

Tau scores well, kroot/vespids/suits in deep strike

They’re not a slow army by any means

[deft crest]

After playing as demons , I totally get why people are asking for them to get nerfed

Those bloodthirsters do bloodthirst

That said, I hope it's just point increases and nothing numerically affecting

I didn't need three skull cannons

I don't know if I mentioned it here, but I definitely think the way that corn demons play the blood legion specific detachment is nowhere near as useful as the undivided generic one

[onyx elm]

I once thought that Imperium subjects talk about space marine chapters like they're baseball teams. But the only comparison I can think of is the Ultramarines are basically the NY Yankees of Astartes chapters.

[thin ibex]

I'm petty sure tau in 10th are one of the fastest armies

[sour sequoia]

Belakor detach is straight up the better khorne detach, that’s been echoed by basically every chaos player at my LGS

[jaunty dawn]

Back in the kill team mines

Idk why it says no one went first round 3. I did

I do wish the matchup felt a bit better tbh

Pathfinders are not doing great and hard to pilot

We’re gonna try the volkus narrative missions next I think

[mental birch]

Like I said

Movement army disguised as a shooting army

[pulsar cairn]

Oooh

[deft crest]

Today i m also killteaming it up

Havent decided which team to use yet

Maybe run back with the clowns now that I am understanding melee with more than 1 operative lol

[rocky shale]

Aeldari vs tank heavy marines

[mild glen]

Skellyfriends this weekend!

[dense sedge]

I'd have thought aeldari would be good at a mobile objective like that while a more elite army would struggle

[rocky shale]

Aeldari are bad on primaries because they can't survive out in the open

Objectives on most layouts have some cover but if you're moving the objective you can just kick it out in the wide open spaces

Theyre just amazing at secondaries because fast

[sour sequoia]

Sanity check

What actually gives every marine I’ve ever seen the fall back shoot

I haven’t played into any marines in like 2 years that give a shit about movement rules

I’m so bored of it lmao

[floral herald]

Tactical Doctrine I think?

[thin ibex]

Gladius Detachment effectively has it on demand

[floral herald]

Army wide fall back and shoot for a round but with Adaptive Strategy it's basically on demand

[thin ibex]

Notably it's not on every Detachment, but I think Gladius is the most played and one of the most adaptable

[sour sequoia]

I cannot state enough I have not seen any other detachments since it dropped

[pale narwhal]

gladius is very common yeah

it's also just always a solid pick. It has support for melee, ranged, movement shenanigans (reactive move strat, fall back shoot charge, advance charge, advance shoot,)

[thin ibex]

Ironstorm is one of the big ones

Currently

And anvil is really strong on casuals and with favorable non competitive terrain

[pale narwhal]

ironstorm is good too yeah

[sour sequoia]

Never seen it lmaoooo

[pale narwhal]

vanguard was a top pick for ultramarines until they changed ventris' deepstrike ability to not affect Centurions (uppy downy dev centurions were the main tech)

[sour sequoia]

Necrons feels real uphill with avg shooting, no fight first, no real speed, no charge buffs

[thin ibex]

They work best with their big "do things" pieces. The rest are supposed to just kinda eat it imo

Ctan and the silent king are brick shithouses that beat almost anything they fight

The canoptek wraiths are dummy thick for their cost

[sour sequoia]

Its also a quarter of your army to run one of those with 0 kill power

Outside of canoptek court or blowing a strat every round on their melee

Versus like a vindicator and a half on marines which kills whatever you point at

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I honestly may be done with 10e this point if necrons means a 1k point list tax to play well

[pastel rampart]

Terrain is back on the menu boys.

[bold halo]

absolutely don't need more plastic but I'm struggling, those are good looking boys

[pastel rampart]

There's always room for skeletons.

[floral herald]

what is happening here

[bold halo]

ELDAR SWEEP

[floral herald]

Who are these sickos winning everything with Realspace Raiders and Chaos Cult?

[bold halo]

looks like such a low play count that a couple guys just had a very good day

[floral herald]

I've seen Chaos Cult there for a while

Also kinda funny how seriously broken More Dakka is

[pale narwhal]

Funnily enough more dakka didn’t win adepticon

But yeah it’s kinda insane

[floral herald]

Oh what did?

I haven't checked in

[pale narwhal]

Ultramarines Gladius

Second place was ynnead

But only because of timing out

[floral herald]

That's kinda neat actually

[rocky shale]

The 10 sick bastards with enough windriders to run 40+ of them are dedicated to their lunacy

[pale narwhal]

I respect it.

[floral herald]

yeah i love bikespam

[pale narwhal]

Reminds me of an 18 piranha list I put together in 8e

[rocky shale]

I love the detachment but I hate painting bikes

The subassemblies for the riders are rough

[pale narwhal]

Can’t find the lists but it had rowboat gillyman in it for sure

I’m in the warhammer tts server and the competitive chat is screeching about how codex marines are overtuned bc of it, it’s very entertaining

[floral herald]

Yeah it's like score one for 40k being decently balanced

Space marines are a bottom 5 army atm statistically

[pale narwhal]

Yeah

One army with one player did well. The top 4 were ynnead, marines, demons, and gsc iirc

Which is a decent spread overall. Eldar player would have won if he didn’t time out

[west zealot]

Those really are beautiful

[dense idol]

this has the cadence and rhythm of a speech i'm being given by my archrival mech pilot before we have our final emotionally-charged duel

[pale narwhal]

I think we might see some adjustments to ultramarines characters (again, bc GW can’t seem to get primarchs quite right), but I’m not expecting an overall change to codex marines

[floral herald]

Yeah I doubt it

They’re not a consistently dominant army

I could see Guilliman get a price increase

[pale narwhal]

Possibly yeah

Or just a rework

[uneven ember]

ahh, handsome lads

did they get rid of the "bone tail" thing nightmares had back when?

[sour sequoia]

So I gotta actually retract my salt lmfao

Guy turned out to be out and out cheating counting like two detachments and screwing up most of his stratagems, blood angels don’t get +1 to wound on Oath + can’t fall back shoot charge vehicles in Angelic Host, can’t charge out of 6” deep strike and that costs a strat too

[pale narwhal]

Ah. Yeah that’ll do it

Both mixing up two detachments together and also giving +1 oath to blood angels and charging from 6” deepstrike

Good lord

[floral herald]

Oh man

[jaunty dawn]

Oooof

[sour sequoia]

I’m gonna be real until every unique chapter is either fully rolled into one codex or fully siloed and they stop all this souping stuff I’m still not a fan of Any Power Armor Period but

Thats a far cry from flat out cheating lmao

Def shoulda asked on the deep strikes given I am playing Hypercrypt

The trouble is right after they nerfed the shit out of deep strike strats, the new crusade is all about a special 3” deep strike that can charge out of it—I had assumed it was crusade upgrades and not a strat he also wasn’t paying CP for

[jaunty dawn]

I mean angels/swolves used to be silo’d and it just led to weird shit

Like blood angels tacticals just being better

[sour sequoia]

It beats the hell out of whatever this current shit is if you ask me

[jaunty dawn]

Though I guess the detachment stuff is new and weird

[sour sequoia]

GW paralyzed to make changes because it now hits like 70% of the playerbase, and continuing to hand out a bajillion marines detachments

[jaunty dawn]

Compared to previous editions

Like it used to be just one blood angels

Or I guess ba and flesh tearers idk

And now they have a dozen options

[sour sequoia]

It would probably be good to have marines struggle for some keywords again

I’ve not run into any that have problems fielding world class antitank or fights first or stickies or weapon keywords

You play xenos, hell half the time playing chaos, at least one of those is going into the gutter

Vindicators make hammerheads and DDAs look like jokes

[pale narwhal]

Marines are a bottom 5 army overall, they don’t need any more struggling

Vindicator is outstandingly good though yeah

[rocky shale]

Tbh I just keep the other players detachment up on waha on my phone when I play them because people constantly forget thier own rules

[sour sequoia]

I think either that’s true or guilliman vindicator ballistus spam didn’t just clap adepticon like you said earlier

Necrons was bad until that one guy slammed LVO and they’re still copping nerfs a year and a half later

Checking global WR for the fundamental introductory first army is always gonna be incorrect, its 60% of the playerbase

[pale narwhal]

One army barely won because of time =/= army needs nerfing

Ballistus and vindi spam + guilliman and calgar is a specific list archetype for a specific subfaction.

Does that mean marines are busted? No. It’s a specific list with specific key parts played by a top 1% player.

[sour sequoia]

Sure, same with necrons—the nerfs they needed were limited to high skill specific player lists, still happened and have kinda guttered the army given nothing’s gotten buffed in exchange

[pale narwhal]

New players aren’t going to tournaments all that often

[sour sequoia]

It is about sheer volume of players, not just brand new - a lotta people are gonna pick their one army and stick with it, so when one army is ever the introduction, it’s inflating numbers

A second army is $$$$$

[floral herald]

There’s a lot of weaker lists which win with real good piloting

Like that Colin guy in the UK who’s like personally responsible for 20% of CSM tech

Or the streamer I forget the name of who’s like inspired with Drukhari

[pale narwhal]

Skari? That’s a name I’ve heard thrown around

[floral herald]

That sounds likely

Rings the bell for me some

There was also that like cabal of GSC players who fooled the playerbase into thinking that army was strong for like a 3rd of 9E

[pale narwhal]

Drukhari and GSC come to mind as very small playerbases that place quite highly yeah

[floral herald]

Just cause it’s low playerbase and well done yeah

Which is the opposite of space marines tbf

[pale narwhal]

Yeah

I don’t think marines are good enough to warrant massive nerfs. Guilliman maybe, calgar maybe. Vindicators probably should get hit too.

But codex marines don’t have the presence in tournament placings that you’d expect if they were dragged down by a bad playerbase and were actually overtuned. I had a look at the adepticon rankings. Only ultramarine list in the top 10 is the winning list, there are three chaos daemons and three orks lists in the top 10 alone.

[floral herald]

Yeah the standings look more like a well designed and well piloted list overcoming the meta than tournament SM being quietly cracked

[sour sequoia]

Were the Orks on Dakka? Or was this other stuff lol

I cant imagine dakka surviving

[floral herald]

I think there was some dreadmob

[pale narwhal]

I can’t see not logged into bestcoastpairings but I’d imagine at least some were.

Dakka is going to get hit with a rebalance I imagine

Probably will go down to sustained 1

[floral herald]

Dakka is definitely the most clearly fucked army atm

Ynnari and daemons are also cracked though

[sour sequoia]

I mean, I think I have complained enough for one day but god I hope an entire melee faction doesn’t suddenly shoot like my tesla immortals

[jaunty dawn]

In terms of like number of attacks orks are balanced around 5+ hit rolls too

[floral herald]

Yeah orks can be a volume of fire shooting list but

[jaunty dawn]

So its effectively doubling the output of the entire army

[floral herald]

That’s extra good with sustained hits since you’re rolling so many attacks base

[sour sequoia]

stathammer on em has 100pt loota units picking up entire marine squads in cover

zero further investment

[pale narwhal]

Yep

It’s insane

Very good shooting, has tech with grot jail for screening

[supple mica]

Got myself to sit down and do more work on Ser Xiao Long today.

[sour sequoia]

Some of the cleanest yellow I’ve seen recently, good shit

[supple mica]

Thanks. I base in Zandri Dust and just build up by brush from there.

Used to play Fists as my 3rd marine army lol.

[thin ibex]

ultramarines calgar stuff needs a nerf, marines really dont i dont think. Ironstorm might as well, or vindicators possible

Also as a note, I think Oath of moment DOES give +1 so long as your entire army shares a faction, which means a full blood angels army, they get +1 to wound from it still

Other have mentioned, but shooting as orks has been a thing for forever. They're only a "melee faction" because of their current detachment/rules options; but I really see no reason to pidgeon hole them like that

any "melee" or "shooting" faction can do the other thing

or should be able to

[rocky shale]

More dakka should have been rapid fire instead of sustained IMO. Sustained giving extra auto-hits doesn't feel as orky as just more attempted shots.

[thin ibex]

or probably just not sus hits 2. It's sus hits 2 right?

[sour sequoia]

Yup

[pale narwhal]

They changed it to only be codex marine detachments and models. Nothing with Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch, or Black Templars chapter keywords can benefit

[west zealot]

Can anyone give me some perspective on why folks are upset at the thousand sons chaos androids? I thought they looked pretty cool, even if I'm not the biggest fan of the side mounted gun

But folks seem rather steamed about it

[thin ibex]

I can only guess, I haven't seen the sentiment or seen it expanded upon

My knee jerk thought though is that it's 40k fans being 40k fans

[floral herald]

Never seen the sentiment

[brittle salmon]

Never seen it either

I think they look sick as hell

[west zealot]

Ah, it turned up in a couple of places on Reddit etc. Always hard to tell what's memimg or not

Thanks folks! Appreciated

[west zealot]

(and yes, they do!)

[rocky shale]

I think some people were hoping for something bigger like the HH version

[desert jay]

Some people also don't like the look of them but that might be in part a matter of how GW painted them

And a few complaints about how that style of gun-arm is very stiff to pose

[west zealot]

The gun arm is like the one thing I dislike, I'd have given them more stormfiend Esque gun arms myself

[pale narwhal]

a lot of stuff looks better not in the gw scheme

like the EC stuff looked so much better with like a couple % more saturated colours on them compared to box art, this might be a similar thing (but also tzeentch-corrupted castellax-achea would have been sick af)

[jaunty dawn]

i think part of the reasonable issue is that aside from death guard the cult legions have pretty small ranges and the stuff they got hasnt really helped a huge amount

though at least thousand sons didnt get character number 3000

[desert jay]

Yeah like I think if the slaughterbound was one of multiple things WE got then people would love him, it's a great model

But as is WE and GK players are like "this is it?"

[mental birch]

Played against triple dorns

With 30 pinks and 30 blues

Could not kill me fast enough

[desert jay]

Just remembered as daemons you even have a 4++ in there too, not just the horror chain

[mental birch]

YES

it's what made me annoyingly impossible to punch through

Took 2 dorns worth of shooting to fully remove 10 blue horrots

I killed his scoring and then just

Danced on objectives

[jaunty dawn]

horrors have such good dances too

[mental birch]

Fortnight dances

Clealry

[pulsar cairn]

use gun

and if that dont work

use more gun

[past sphinx]

PURGATUS PARABELLUM

[meager quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115788957289037844/1356012953417154570/IMG_2799.png?ex=67ebadb9&is=67ea5c39&hm=75a33882d3e5ffeb1604045c076d39c4efc06627d4d13e4f5947854f4b761549&

[empty siren]

Ngl

I'm glad I'm building Tau

This seems like an army thats actually fun

This is coming from someone who played space marines. So playing an army that isn't Imperium is nice

[deft crest]

Total war 3 talk

They gave kislev so many fun cool toys

Like the garrison assault, And new race mechanic

But the start of this fucking campaign is cbt

I can't fucking mentally handle how many threats I have to contend with at the start of the campaign.

Azag Drycha Throt Nugle dude Azaziel FUCKING ARBALD! arbald will show up at like turn 15~20!

Jesus christ I know I'm supposed to be living the kieslev life of hard fought war for people and country but CAN YOU JUST LET ME BREATH ON ONE FRONT FOR A SECOND?!

Its just TOO many spinning plates in addition to being locked out of most devotion stuff until like Turn30 because there is no way to hit 50 devotion anytime when you need it

[paper bluff]

Shooty rail gun tank go boom. Guide it

[still warren]

I just tried out the Kislev rework as well. Had good luck taking the plus 2 orthodoxy favor event and then getting the +5 recruit rank for kossars. You're able to support two armies fairly early and have one holding off drycha while Katarina kill Azhag then circle down south with both armies to get rid of drycha

[deft crest]

My only fear is if I do that I lose kris kringle over in erengrad to the rats and the devil

And losing him means its harder to get that good good bonus to the race

I'll give the campaign a 3rd restart

[still warren]

The race mechanic with supporters is gone though isn't it? Replaced with the favors and balancing the two now

[deft crest]

Yeah but now you get a bonus for favor for fighting what orthodoxy does

So keeping him alive is worth it now

[still warren]

I mean it sounds like you just have too many fronts going on, might need to just let him die. Or just use recruit defeated legendary lords lol

[sour sequoia]

I havent yet played total war but this sounds about same as my buddy playing Chaos Dwarves

“Every day I wake up and There Are Ogres”

[thin ibex]

Depends on taste and tactical preference, but i enjoy em. You generally feel pretty active on the board, barring the fight phase usually

[spice flicker]

A friend asked me a curious question about an hour ago: would Only War be a good system to run a valkyria chronicles campaign with?

[jaunty dawn]

I think you could like

do something similar

I think Chariots of Steel for Flying Circus is probably the best option out there though.

[spice flicker]

I thought there might be a better system but she thought it could at least be a good starting point.

[tired cairn]

I think generally you need to do a lot of work to make the 40k-specific RPGs work for not-40k? Like you can strip it down to the core mechanics but then there isn't a whole lot there?

[jaunty dawn]

I think only war could be good for like

doing gaunt's ghosts but instead of sharpe's rifles it's valkyria chronicles

[floral herald]

Ultimately if you’re gonna strip it down a lot you can use Basic Role Play pretty well as a base

[pine matrix]

I want to have another go at TW3 with Kislev now the rework is out, I never did finish the campaign

On the RPG, I really want to play a warham rpg with folks who have a good understanding of the setting, every time i've played it, most of the group isn't that familair

[floral herald]

Mood

40K can be crazy fun with a group that wants to get into the weird weeds

[pastel rampart]

It was fun when the wargame let you do that via narrative campaigns and an experience system for units. Though that was mostly 3rd edition.

[pale narwhal]

There are Crusade rules in the current edition for that

[pastel rampart]

Fair. I honestly haven't given the rules a look since midway through 7th, which is when I just finally bowed out under the quite frankly relentless pace of releases.

[pale narwhal]

Yeah that’s fair enough

All the crusade rules are on wahapedia, I believe they’re currently working to get the latest crusade book up

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1356358208071008257/IMG_20250329_005607487.jpg?ex=67ec4684&is=67eaf504&hm=5613288d0ba92878eff51206f0cd6f17c501a9d20a8ef94543a293ce9e9a08d9&

[pale narwhal]

That’s certainly a paint scheme of all time

[pastel rampart]

It's wonderful honestly

[pale narwhal]

It’s very old ‘nids. It’s so loud it’s somehow charming

[tired cairn]

I love the juxtaposition with the far more grounded (har) base

[thin ibex]

old nids remind me of the really jank 3d demons they used for the spawn movies

[past sphinx]

old nids got a real funky to them

love it

[pastel rampart]

Very scrungy.

[past sphinx]

, hey i didnt know golden demon let 3d prints in

granted the painter is also the sculpter but still thats cool!

no doubt a case by case thing

[tired cairn]

I think the rules are you have to design the parts yourself

[jaunty dawn]

it's allowed as long as everything you print is your own stuff yeah

[tepid stratus]

Arbaal has been the babe of me trying to finish a norsca legendary run. Norsca as a faction has been so power crept by their neighbors that by the time you deal with Kislev, rival norscans and Malakai, Arbaal will have unbreakable doomstacks charging down your throat

Might try a new run of just rushing him down

[tired cairn]

I am very impressed at the assembly: https://youtu.be/drWDrn4YQL0?si=H1ILamZFe6_8aK8D

[deft crest]

Chaos dwarves def dont have the easiest time with grimgore on their doorstep.
But they do get some bombass units early on.

[deft crest]

Nah nah nah, i just think they should just give Kislev (city) more starting control TBH just so katarina can swing by and grab that army buff before throwing her at your first front just to have a little bit easier start to your problems

I am turn 30 and only Just got to use the devotion stuff. Granted thankfully its ready for vlad who's on his way to kill my underbelly

[sour sequoia]

Magnetizing and basing half my clanrats in one day, thing that will surely not cause hobby burnout

[desert jay]

Decent results, considering, but also dang 3 hours

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/395045560983224320/1356427678273634424/cig0l89abxqe1.webp?ex=67ec8737&is=67eb35b7&hm=e06cc40dc347daf4ed993bcc254237086caa76903fc3af547818734c4a1e653e&

[past sphinx]

thats one of the russian WHF larp guys id bet

those folks do some wild shit

[floral herald]

From Soosmain on tumblr

[tired cairn]

Wait, Primarchs have demons for souls?

[sour sequoia]

Its part of why the daemon primarchs happened, they’re all like 80% warpjuice by volume

[uneven ember]

Their creation to some degree involved bargains with the Warp

[thin ibex]

I don't think they're 80% warp juice, but they definitely have warp juice of some amount

[tired cairn]

Well, that seems like it was a silly plan

Also maybe don't let certain parts of the inquisition or grey knights know >.>

[deft crest]

Eyuck "glad" to see the furry hate people still have in 40k revealed when people talk about space wolves

[floral herald]

Furry hate is out zaun barber hate is in

[deft crest]

The arguement "more vikings less dog ears".
Uh huh tell me what you think of vikings then partner whats their coolest features?

[floral herald]

(I kid of course, I love space wolf xcom haircuts)

[deft crest]

Also bummed out

[tired cairn]

Did they keep it for the refresh though?

[deft crest]

Rumor mill killing off thunderwolf calvery to the Legends profile

Like

Ugggg

I cant play cyberwolves, frensian wolves are wet paper towels on legs

[floral herald]

Yes they still have appropriately foolish haircuts

I think the only real casualty is that one 3e blood claws supremely fucked up shit

Contrary to popular belief there are wolves on fenris they just must be barbers

[deft crest]

-# Going to start being aggressively queer at the 40k scene over this now btw.

[sour sequoia]

I dont really trust any rumor mills at this point, seems like people are saying a lot of stuff for shock value

[tired cairn]

The Space Wolves state that Fenrisian Wolves did not exist until the arrival of Human colonizers. Confusingly, they also state that they are in fact no wolves of Fenris. Thus what exactly Fenrisian Wolves are remains unclear.
What

[deft crest]

l o r e implications.

[floral herald]

See the real secret truth is that a fenrisian wolf is actually an overgrown space raccoon

[deft crest]

Return to monkey wolf

[floral herald]

https://preview.redd.it/maybe-there-never-really-were-any-wolves-on-fenris-v0-fqper4gfevf91.png?auto=webp&s=0468baf0eaa5387f1b794162398fb888d5c411fb

Wake up sheeple

[deft crest]

-# it would explain the 6+ saves

[tired cairn]

Riding the decedents of failed gene-seed implantations would be pretty rude

Also, huh. Gene seed refers to both the organ itself and the collection of organs that get put into a space marine?

[deft crest]

Correct

You can grow the others from the seed

Iirc

[floral herald]

It’s kinda convoluted how it works exactly I think I’ve basically headcanoned it by mistake

But yeah the rest of the implants can be cultured from progenoids

And gene-seed refers to either the progenoids specifically or all the organs generally

[runic swallow]

This is why there are no wolves on fenris, they’re all just extremely mutated and misidentified raccoons

[tired cairn]

Wolves proper probably did go extinct tens of thousands of years ago

[pale narwhal]

but also the implication is that all the 'wolves' are just very very fucked up modified humans from the past who modified themselves to survive fenris better

or something

[mental birch]

More thuncerwolf vav

Cav

[pine matrix]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/s7lkrfhr/stand-out-from-the-flock-with-the-new-warhammer-tactical-rock/

[pale narwhal]

I...

whY

[pine matrix]

You gotta assert your dominance

[still warren]

Look they can't un-squat a faction every year for April fools

[desert jay]

Oh, life size

[still warren]

Ok that's pretty funny

[pale narwhal]

Meta analysis of last week is out- dakka orks, ynnari still dominant. Tau are at a 35% competitive winrate, codex marines are sitting at 49%.

Interesting to see how things fluctuate based on player numbers and how various factions have put out decent showings

(https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/s/rsfzamRHwN)

[desert jay]

Trying to remember if Tau ate notable nerfs

[jaunty dawn]

Oof playing knightmech into experimental tau today

See how it goes

[pale narwhal]

Nope! Just continuing to struggle in the current meta (too slow to dance around eldar or more dakka, too fragile to tank damage, not as shooty as guard or dakka, no melee)

[pale narwhal]

Depends on the lists, tau probably have the advantage based on what I know

[desert jay]

Mmm, and unlike Votann or SM, IDK if there's really room to kick up their army rule

Also a lil disheartening to see Sisters still unplayed after walking back the army rule nerf

[pale narwhal]

They need a fullon rework almost

Tbh

Having to jump through hoops to get to the same ballistic skill as a basic marine sucks (esp with splitfire penalty- the ignores cover is really nice tho)

Also a lot of our mid-strength weapons being S7-8 hurts (a riptide’s big gun overcharging is the same strength as a plasma pistol overcharging)

[paper bluff]

The wolves on fenris are genemodded to the extreme humans. The people of fenris have a little bit of the genemodding and that's why the helix sometimes makes new fenrisian wolves

[pale narwhal]

Might be it’s too early (and/or they’re still very mono-list and thus feel boring to play?)

[paper bluff]

As I imagine it

[pale narwhal]

That’s where my mind goes yea

[paper bluff]

Adhumans! The lot of em. And if GW were not cowards. There with be fenrisian beastmen

[pale narwhal]

That’s just wulfen

[mental birch]

Oooof

[past sphinx]

hellbrute cope

[pale narwhal]

I can see it

Or another chaos knight

[jaunty dawn]

Seems legit imo

Siege helbrute

[past sphinx]

sickass flamer either way

[pale narwhal]

yep

[jaunty dawn]

To like counterpart ironclad dread kinda

[past sphinx]

im just interested in a new demon engine

maybe replace the old spider boy

[pale narwhal]

Could also be a new like. Defiler

[past sphinx]

a man can dream

[mental birch]

Feels like player skill issue or just slamming into lists 😦

I dunno

I've found I struggle a lot against thr current field

[desert jay]

Read some comments, a lot of the other nerfs they got weren't reverted so there's stil a sore spot

[pulsar cairn]

can you run dreadnoughts as hellbrutes in your chaos armies?

i imagine they dont have the same kinds of weapons....so you would probably need a lil bit of kitbashing if the answer is yes?

[desert jay]

Yeah there's a venn diagram of weapons and also no not at all if you're EC (RIP Sonic Dread)

[pulsar cairn]

[past sphinx]

making dreads =/= helbrutes would be fucking great

[sour sequoia]

Its an easy greenstuff at least if you really wanna use a dread

[jaunty dawn]

Deployment took an hour

Tau going first :)

[deft crest]

Good news it looks like they don't have a stormsurge!(?)

[storm schooner]

Who needs a stormsturge when you have enough rail rifles

[paper bluff]

Hopefully you remembered you can kool-aid man the big knight

[jaunty dawn]

Bottom round 1

Picked up a stealth suit squad, pathfinders, put 6 on the riptide

I didnt realise Im forced to discard storm hostile so no points for me :(

Opp got teleport homers

Made our side covers too big oops

Fixed it which will probably kill my helverin but oh well

The mega breacher strike is happening

To the gallant

Forgot breachers aren’t d2 this edition haha

19 wounds on the gallant for 7 remaining (started with +4 wounds)

[jaunty dawn]

Taking a break after my round 2 movement phase cause we’re sooo tireeed

[thin ibex]

yeah breachers be all about volume rather than damage per shot def

still very respectable

almost dropping a knight

[jaunty dawn]

It was uh

[thin ibex]

are they gonna get a second shot?

[jaunty dawn]

Missileside, 2x devilfish (w/ seekers) nova bursttide, fireblade breacher squad, pathfinders and stealth suits I think

Some of them probably

Gallant probably gonna take out riptide unless he gets got by overwatch, warglaive is going for the broadside

I think if it had been a ion tide though itd be dead

[storm schooner]

you forgot about the AI assisted Kroot

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah the lethal hits kroot

[storm schooner]

the reason it was the kroot not the Breachers, even thought the breachers have more shots with a Fireblade, the Kroot got their Strat for free from a war shaper

[jaunty dawn]

Right

Couldve given them lethal and sustained smh

[thin ibex]

whats the cooler custodes pick for herohammer. Auric champs or lions?

[past sphinx]

lions

[pulsar cairn]

Could a space marine function without war? Or depends on the geneseed?

[desert jay]

I think mostly depends on how they're raised TBH

[thin ibex]

Broadly? No I dont think so. They're so radically changed and programmed and indoctrinated to exist only for war and to bring death.

Specifically? Maybe, but I dont think so. The Ultramrines and Robby G did make it part of his chapter's training to prepare to be statesmen and logisticians alongside warriors, which would be an argument in favor of the idea that they can; because he foresaw an eventual end to the Great Crusade. Against that though, is that it never did end.

[sour sequoia]

Ultramarines are your best bet the others are freaks

Before Robusto back the only real distinction ultramarines ever had was being Reasonablemarines who could keep a planet stable and safe

[deft crest]

I could see a few chapters making it out of the eternal struggle

[finite compass]

I thought the real distinction was they were "THE CODEX ASTARTES DOES NOT APPROVE OF THIS ACTION"

[deft crest]

But spacewolves and Space sharks? No way

[finite compass]

It's worse for some of the traitor ones

Peacetime Night Lords or World Eaters

[thin ibex]

Robby G was one of the few primarchs capable of imagining a world after the war. He wanted his marines to be ready to be leaders of men rather than just angels of death. His dream died long ago though.

[deft crest]

I imagine none of the chaos marines could survive without war

Since well

The strings that bind and the history

[sour sequoia]

Iron Hands & word bearers are too freaky, Imperial Fists/Iron Warriors are too fashy, Salamanders and BTs are crusaders, etc

I… guess… White Scars? But their entire thing is just doing mongol warlord thing 24/7 which does mean raiding and pillaging for shits and giggles

[finite compass]

I meant more in teh 30k 'still loyal' sense

[thin ibex]

Space wolves could to be honest; they need to accrue deeds for their sagas not specifically fight in war. But they're one of the few space marine chapters/legions that have their marines engage in recreational activities for their own enjoyment

[finite compass]

CURRENT chaos marines, hell no

[thin ibex]

but space wolves wouldn't i think

but they actually have some verve and joy for existence that many marines don't care for

[sour sequoia]

Raven Guard might be the types to dissolve their own order

Thats my best guess

[deft crest]

If the war in the galaxy ended then several chapters of space marines would ship off for the great dark between the stars in search of the tyranids

No end to it

Chat i dont like this still

[thin ibex]

wait is that a joke?

two babies?

with a flail?

yeah its the 1st

thats a joke

[deft crest]

Heh

[thin ibex]

I would however

buy that

because its hilarious

[jaunty dawn]

The flail is real tho

[thin ibex]

oh we're getting a baby carrier flail? I dont hate that

i just wish it wasnt a baby carrier

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kd8ir91o/daemons-ravage-armageddon-and-only-the-grey-knights-can-throw-them-back/

Yeah

One of those update where side by side you can see its actually an update but otherwise its kinda samey

[thin ibex]

kind of a shame, in some ways, that rather than a new third war for armageddon, we kinda went back to the 1st war redux

[pale narwhal]

It’s an upgrade kit aiui not a full upgrade

[jaunty dawn]

No its a new kit

[pale narwhal]

Is it??

[jaunty dawn]

The detail is finer right

Now im second guessing

[desert jay]

I think on stream they even said upgrade sprue

Also remember with details the paint job might be different

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah mb

Thats

Really silly

Its just a better paint job and photo

[west zealot]

Tanuki Marines. Lukas isn't a Loki reference, he's just T A N U K I

[west zealot]

Night lords are just employed in scare rooms & on the local equivalent of Halloween. This won't cause any issues!

[past sphinx]

very late but i genuinely think you'd end up with AM from i have no mouth and i must scream. Creatures robbed of all sensation enterally trapped in an unfeeling, twisted carcass honed to a single end that would be denied to them and would ultimately drive them mad no matter what the founding

but i also believe the astartes project would have been swept away like the thunder warriors before them

Naught but gnashing beasts, cloaked in silks

[pastel rampart]

Salamanders are pretty compassionate to the average human and mingle with the populace so I could see them turning to more peacetime activities.

Hell they're downright diplomatic.

[muted elm]

space wolves are up there with grey knights for "parts of 40k that give me the creeps"

for exactly this reason

[deft crest]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

ill be honest, i dont know how they're any worse than the laundry list of other options

like valid, dislike what you dislike, we all have things we especially dislike, but like... I guess in my head I compare sw to like... black templars or flesh tearers or dark angels, and I don't see anything more creepy

[paper bluff]

I want to see the white scar and space wolf buddy cop book

[past sphinx]

spacewolves should be sacking france more

surprised there isnt a spacewolf thing for Flyting

[jaunty dawn]

Its really funny how mad the wolf stuff makes some people even when they’re fans. Incapable of acknowledging that they picked the funny wolf marines and thats what theyve literally always been

[past sphinx]

These sold me back in the day

that and murderfang

and the big shield and axe dread

[jaunty dawn]

Shield and axe dread fuckkkks

[runic swallow]

Murderfang is hilarious, I remember when he was released

[past sphinx]

i believe he was refered to as a "dreadnaught shaped creature"

[jaunty dawn]

It wouldve been really cool if they could have done new dreads for ba and sw

I guess even da could have had a more mortis like dread rather than the missile launcher, too

[untold swallow]

I wish Grey Knights focused on the fucking

fact they're all psykers more

[runic swallow]

It’s the super mad wulfan face sticking out that does it, it’s just so dumb

[untold swallow]

instead of having weird ass robot baby bjorns

[jaunty dawn]

Nods nods

[untold swallow]

like wtf

I wish they went in the direction the initial lore led me to think about them

[pale narwhal]

I feel like they don't want to intrude on the TS identity of 'oops all psykers' but like

having a loyalist counterpart to that would be sick af

[untold swallow]

Weird secretive psychic knights of overwhelming warp power

[jaunty dawn]

I mean theyve had distinct identities while both being the all psykers faction before

[untold swallow]

I want more bullshit like Castellan Crowe believe it or not

Even though I think his particular flavor of bullshit strays into what else I dislike about the knights

which is just

authors constantly wanking them off

[jaunty dawn]

Just remembered the new mission pack is attempting to balance 1000 pt games better I hope that works out

[thin ibex]

Honestly I love how the Wolf Wolves led by a captain named Herald Deathwolf rides a Thunderwolf and has his wolfguard, and probably utilizes his Wolf scouts. Sometimes he might use a Stormwolf to deliver his forces. He has a Wolf Priest to administer to his forces spiritually and medically. Sometimes he has a Lone Wolf from a depleted pack in his great company. He answers to the Great Wolf.

Some space wolf fans are blind if they don't see how silly they get

Thunderwolves are kind of the epitome of maximum silly/cool of space wolves

[thin ibex]

On the topic of grey knights, I really don't mind them being super strong, I think it's weird that they a full playable army despite being a small unit force that handles incredible odds. Like they have strike cruisers dedicated to one squad level of elite.

I also don't mind them not actually going crazy with being psykers; I always characterized them as directing the lions share of their abilities inwards, powering their Aegis, powering their force weapons, girding their mind against intrusion, proofing their body against corruption, and enhancing their hands, weapons, or eyes to better fight.

I think them being like... a smite spam army was a mistake back in earlier editions

[sour sequoia]

A lot of the hatred is back to warddex babyrage

I won’t lie I’m still not a fan of them to this day

I confess I end up a little chuffed that the original Extra Special Deluxe Marines have just the stupidest walker I’ve ever seen in my life. Price to pay for being the Grey Knights with an entire army of psykers and terminator armor that nobody knows about, somehow.

[floral herald]

100% the initial grey knight psychic identity was force weapons and hammerhand

That is to say they had psychic powers which made them melee monsters

[sour sequoia]

They were custodes before the custodes

Just also with whole army deep strike as kind of an imperium twin to daemons

[brittle salmon]

GKs had Hammerhand on pretty much every squad and it let them strike at like

Was it S6? I think it was +2S in melee if it went off

[rocky shale]

TBH normal marines also have some goofy-ass vehicles

[mental birch]

hmmm

been messing around with 1k

hehhe

Changecaster (70pts): Arcane Fireball, Herald combat weapon, Warlord, Inescapable Eye

10x Blue Horrors (125pts)
10x Blue Horrors (125pts)
10x Pink Horrors (140pts)
10x Pink Horrors (140pts)
10x Pink Horrors (140pts)

3x Flamers (65pts)
Burning Chariot (115pts): Fires of Tzeentch, Flamer mouths, Screamer bites
3x Screamers (80pts)

my question is

is this too much?

should I drop a unit of pinks or something?

[floral herald]

I think so yeah it made them S6 monstrous creatures iirc

[thin ibex]

It's just one of those things where my mental conception of grey knights isn't them shooting a lot of lighting or hurling fire, it's a warrior with a Halberd that slices through demons like butter and who's armor has sorcery roll off of unmarred

With purifiers, there's a little of that hurling fire, but that's a deviation rather than the norm

[pale narwhal]

Yeah my mental image is very much that. Just incredibly incredibly psychically souped-up doomguys

Also a picture from the 5e Core rulebook (or maybe it was the starter set rules book) with a bunch of grey knights fighting daemons on a spacestation (and some witty caption about unhelmeted heroes)

[jaunty dawn]

New kill teams 40k rules are out

Sancitifiers are in both sisters and agents

[desert jay]

Huh, okay. Retinue I assume?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

They join priests (or anything else that can join sister units, but they’re a dedicated priest unit, really.)

Dont have the voidsmen/agents rule of not counting as a retinue once joined though

[pale narwhal]

The WE killteam has infiltrate which makes one of them basically an auto take probably

[jaunty dawn]

Makes sense yeah

Infiltrators are such a big deal now haha

[pale narwhal]

I’m in the 40k tts discord and there’s a pro teams player who mains WE and she’s already ordered one of em

Bc having even one infiltrator is just so good (same reason most votann lists have yaegirs)

[desert jay]

AIUI it's in part just b/c you get to block both Scouts units and protect your own Scouts from enemy infiltrators

Which honestly is probably not the ideal interaction of these two tags

[pale narwhal]

Yep

Sanctifiers look interesting. Lots of different profiles

[past sphinx]

Its a little strange to me how many stubbers are spread into primaris

Like the imperium is starting to run short of materials for bolt shells and has to cut back

[upper canopy]

someone in poppenang is going through the old alfa legion game and I can't get over this screenshot

it's just so fucking funny

[pulsar cairn]

tell them i had this to say in response to them

||im also ||

[pine matrix]

Classic Inquisitorial justice system

Also making a 40k game in RPG Maker is very funny

[rocky shale]

Let's gooooo

[west zealot]

Hoenstly, if more inquistors operated on "You are just an awful person. Like seriously, teh worst' the imperium would probably get a lot better, a lot fast

...probably

(Depends on the inqustiors in question)

[floral herald]

This is fundamentally how the inquisition operates already haha

No due process no judicial review just vibes and firearms

[west zealot]

Okay, that's fair.

It'd be funnier if they're just applying year 2025 morality though. "Man you just suck. I'd say stop with the slavery, but" bolter. Repeat!

[unreal cosmos]

I'm sure there are some doing that but the problem is a dozen other Inquisitors with "I ❤️ NECESSARY EVIL" shirts will then try and shoot them in the head

[runic swallow]

Look, the M2 Just Works

(Especially now that it’s been modified to fix the headspacing issues)

[floral herald]

Modifying the headspacing was actually determined to be techno-iconoclastic in M37 after plans for the originals were uncovered in the vaults of mars

Ryza and Gryphonne IV rejected this doctrine and it’s currently being fought through the courts and dark alleys of forge worlds

[runic swallow]

Look, Techno-Saint JMB would have done it if he’d thought of it

[floral herald]

He didn’t though - are you saying JMB was stupid‽

(I love Mechanicus politics)

[runic swallow]

Yeah it’s very funny

[floral herald]

I sometimes get the sense this is how inquisitors start before they go on that long winding path

[past sphinx]

A tech adept has definitely been shanked in an alley over a disagreement of stubber headspacing

[runic swallow]

“Hey, new guy. Do you measure caliber from the lands or the grooves?
“Uh, the lands I guess?”
“Die techno-heretic scum!”

[past sphinx]

The lesser known mechanicus civil war over imperial or metric

[runic swallow]

Honestly I’m surprised that isn’t canon already

[floral herald]

It’s kinda implied

There’s tons more imperial measurements in 40K vs 30k

[runic swallow]

Oh yeah, that is true

[sour sequoia]

New AoS battlescroll out

Horrible discord filename I’m sorry

[runic swallow]

I think that was more meant to show a degradation from 30k to 40k, but there has to have been a point where they argued over which to use

[desert jay]

Lemme know when there's 1" bases instead of 25mm

[past sphinx]

The cog is just willing to kill each other and imperials at the drop of a hat

[runic swallow]

I did wish they played up the “the mechanicus was a separate empire that was unable to be subjugated by force and was integrated” thing more

Like, most people don’t realize that the imperium is technically an Austria-Hungary situation

(And that they have a similar symbol for that reason)

[uneven ember]

yeah, I approve for that, and because they really show the foundational hypocrasy at the heart of the IoM
"SUFFER NOT THE HERETIC; this whole religion that blatantly doesn't respect the Imperial Church or Creed don't count as heretics, we decided"

"this is because in some abstract way their concept of perfect knowledge is the same thing as the dude who is our spiritual and temporal absolute authority and not because if we decided otherwise we'd be out everything more complicated than an EZbake oven"

[paper bluff]

Could tech-saint kalishnakov beat tech-saint JMB in a fight bare manipulatilators?

[hard whale]

unless there's some mormon martial art I'm unaware of I think the big Russian wins

[west zealot]

Def the more optimistic ones

I have ideas for there hsoudl be a mechanium novel with a tech heretic (or on the edge of it, akin to Cawl) Magos Biologos who's herseys are basically "Actually, i like to ensure my workers are fed well, and have reelaxtion time etc, because this maintins the sacred human machine in optimum conditon"

[past sphinx]

Check out this weird dog I found

He keeps yelling in Finnish

[soft willow]

Add the waffle house and you're all set for LI.

[pastel rampart]

Every time I see Legions I think "man that's cool I just wish it wasn't HH."

[soft willow]

I get why they don't want to make full minis ranges for like 15 factions for a nieche game though.

[pastel rampart]

I mean yeah, same, but still.

[soft willow]

NetEA exists and there are plenty of 3d printables for the other factions.

[thin ibex]

Trying to decide what kind of list I wanna make tonight

[soft willow]

Emperor's Children list with the demon detachment.

[thin ibex]

Oh that's a thing?

Time for speed

[runic swallow]

“Perkele satana…”

[tardy vault]

https://youtu.be/oDIm88df2Xo?si=I9xe-KA3I3QOJ408

Bricky decided to do a revision

[dense sedge]

I learned recently that jocat has gotten into 40K

[desert jay]

Yeah, IIRC with Guard

[mental birch]

Suffering

For him

A horde army with detailed hordes

Hahaaa

😦

[deft crest]

Don't need to remember details if you can get them killed fast enough

[jaunty dawn]

We finished that game

It was pretty fun tbf

Remnants at end of game

So a lot of tau died but they boxed me in so quick

And couldnt advance because they were threatening a melta crisis bomb in my castle

Would take a callidus assassin for objectives next time probly. Or go fixed

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1357343537305489478/487549078_10037248642966328_8403843450019702207_n.png?ex=67efdc2d&is=67ee8aad&hm=9f674889c7005d24e7bf15fd7eca305ec04f2e14cf9992663b8de3a93e35424f&

[storm schooner]

You could spread out a lot more whilst still screening me

As there's a like, 20 inch gap you can have between units because of the size of the coldstar squad whilst still stopping me dropping in

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

Idk if its enough to leave buildings is the thing

But thats oky

Thronegheist fury on the crusader’s avenger gatling was sooooo good

And unlike overwatch you can use it more than one phase a turn

Helverin also very good into suits, it took return fire down to 1 and then ended the game at full health by retreating before scoring points in the endgame and killing the crisis blob

[sour sequoia]

Playin into the thomas guan GT skaven list today

-----
Grand Alliance Destruction | Ogor Mawtribes | Prophets of the Gulping God
Drops: 4
Spell Lore - Lore of Maw-magic
Manifestation Lore - Morbid Conjuration
-----
General’s Regiment
Butcher (150)
• General
Ironblaster (200)
Ogor Gluttons (230)
Ogor Gluttons (230)
Gnoblars (110)
---
Regiment 1
Slaughtermaster (140)
Ironguts (480)
• Reinforced
---
Regiment 2
Frostlord on Stonehorn (330)
• The Fang of Ghur
• Great Gutlord
---
Regiment 3
Bloodpelt Hunter (130)
-----
Faction Terrain
Great Mawpot
-----```

Thiiiink this’ll be my response

Try to actually fight in the center near the mawpot, flank with a stonehorn to obliterate vizzik/grey seer/deathmaster. if those go quickly clanrats really can’t do much.

[bright dove]

The ships

[deft crest]

They do have cool ships this is true.

[thin ibex]

big disconnect in modern times is thinking of vikings as a culture rather than a profession

[junior robin]

...now I want to make my SW army renegades who raid Grey knight monasteries

[quaint compass]

The Lidis Wolves

[upper canopy]

As far as I know Scandanavia hasn't done anything but raid Ireland for over 1200 years.

(I gain all my knowledge from tabletop RPGs)

[tired cairn]

Sometimes they raid other countries

[quaint compass]

I do like Nice this time of year

[pine matrix]

Horus: You know, I never even thought of that

[uneven ember]

"Dad isn't what you'd call a talker."

[runic swallow]

Or work as mercenaries

[paper bluff]

"He will tell you about lemons though"

[sour sequoia]

Game ended 36-20, was able to charge his buffed brick of rats and clean house then pile into vizzik. Stonehorn took a flank on its own, ironblaster mostly whiffed but pressured units well enough he didn’t ever get aggro with the deathmaster. Got a lucky covering fire off and killed a grey seer on the turn he tried to skitterleap for Take Their Land.

Clanrat spam list actually a little bit hard to pilot looks like, especially into armies who can just pick up rats drop of a hat

[final tide]

hi hello thinking about a list rewrite since gyr gave us the option

Ironjawz
Ironfist
Auxiliaries: 0
Drops: 2

Arcane Tome - 

General's Regiment
Megaboss (190)
• General
• Path of the Warmonger (Caked in Gore)
Brute Ragerz (120)
Brutes (200)
• 1x Champion
• 1x Gore-choppa
Gore-gruntas (180)
• 1x Champion

Regiment 1
Ardboy Big Boss (120)
Ardboyz (180)
• 1x Champion
• 1x Standard Bearer

Battle Formation: Ironfist```
im wondering if i don't just bite the bullet and get a wizard and a priest but at the same time ardboyz have been mvp in every match i play

they just fuckin get stuck in

[bright dove]

Consider: Waaaagh

[floral herald]

https://bsky.app/profile/ricki-kitbashed.bsky.social/post/3llvohmgf722t

Ricki - Hero Hammer (@ricki-kitbashed.bsky.social)

Warhammer 40kers:

As this is a custom artillery piece for my 2nd edition inspired take on Tyranids. If all artillery looking like this in a list were rupture Tyrannofexes would you be ok facingi t, or would the Acid spray component used throw you off?

#warhammercommunity #warhammer40k

Bluesky · Apr 3, 2025, 10:19 AM

this rips

[empty siren]

Should I give my Coldstar Battlesuit the marker drone or a gun drone or shield drone?

I wanna say gun because I'm running Kauyon, so having sustained hits 1 (or 2 if guided) on all guns is good

[rocky shale]

The gun drone shooting is pretty bad but I'm also not a tau player so idk

[empty siren]

Marker drone does make it easier to use them as an observer unit tho. And because it's a commander, unless you have precision, I don't lose marker light key word even when the squad he's leading dies

[dense sedge]

That feels very him yeah

The Everyman surrounded by horror

[empty siren]

I think marker light. It gives the unit more versatility

Because they can advance and shoot, but also can advance and be an observer. The unit is a mop up crew, meant to drop in late game and devastate elite infantry trying to take objectives. So marker light being able to give a unit they observed sustained hits 2 and ignore cover is kinda dope (on top of the +1 Ballistic Skill)

Fuck I love Tau...

[sour sequoia]

Essentially anything but the gun drone is the way to go because markerlights are dummy good and more survivability on your crisis suits is fantastic

[empty siren]

Dope

If I could use like a missile drone that'd be nice

I just don't think that my coldstar dying right away is much to be concerned about, so the extra wound just isn't a solid choice over some extra boolets

Cause you can choose 2 drones. But weirdly, the box only comes with 1 but the clear plastic piece for two

[pale narwhal]

for commanders you probably want two shield drones as wargear at the moment

because you mostly put them with crisis suits who use 3x gun drone 2x shield drone 1x marker drone (the marker instead of third shield is so they give up less points for Bring it Down secondary)

[thin ibex]

I don't hate gun drones, every shot it a chance at a wound.

But on commanders I usually do 2 shield drones

As a note, don't worry about what you can build out of the box, the drones are ultimately war gear

And I haven't met anyone that expects you to wysiwyg your drones on the field

But yeah, extra bullets are a fine choice imo

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/crushbort.bsky.social/post/3llxbfzxlds2p

bort (@crushbort.bsky.social)

my seraphon lost their first game and i started crying until my friend sat me down and explained that your models don’t actually die and you can use them in a brand new game like the first one never happened. i had to dig them out of a makeshift grave in the parking lot

Bluesky · Apr 4, 2025, 1:31 AM

[pale narwhal]

genestealer cult players screaming and crying at having to paint 90 models after every game

[tired cairn]

They have really long turns because they have to paint new models for cult ambush

[thin ibex]

Decided to do a throwback list

Oh I didn't bring a rhino

Tried to do a callback to dawn of War 1

[tired cairn]

How can it be DoW if you don't have METAL BAWXES

[thin ibex]

Can't bring 4 heavy bolters or 4 missile launchers on the legionaries

[thin ibex]

Got another one

These armies kind of work to be honest

Building with only dawn of War options

[past sphinx]

you could add 30 to 50 more kroot hounds in there

[floral herald]

https://www.pretentiousplasticops.com/analytics

I guess it's not an elite meta now

I think it's kinda neat how virtually every archetype is in this top placers section

[brittle salmon]

brood brothers???

what on earth

[floral herald]

They're a pretty good vanilla KT who can also pocket pick the single hardest melee killer in the game when needed aiui

Good at scoring and firepower and the Broodlord gives them really unprecedented pocket picks compared with some similar teams

[brittle salmon]

Damn, neat

[thin ibex]

It's easy to forget how dangerous a brood lord is in the context of the setting compared to 40k. Not that they're weak, but they seem so much more threatening at the small scale

I figure there aren't many entities in the setting who'd have an easy time toe to toe with a broodlord

[empty siren]

WYSIWYG??? 😭 Huh

Oh what you see is what you get?

Damn I'm dumb ASF. That took me a second to figure it out😭😭😭

[thin ibex]

Yeah sorry, was not with my phone, but you got it

[mental birch]

If they do expect that

just place them in the most obnoxious position possible

😛

there's so much frustration and confusion you can cause with obnoxiously placed tokens

if your opponent insists on it

I may be a bit of a brat meeting unreasonableness with Unreasonableness

[thin ibex]

Lol warranted

I usually don't bring marker drones on my crisis tbh, it's usually shield+gun and 2 shields on the commander, though occasionally 2 gun.

I'm also an enforcer lover, I've had that guy weather storms he never should have survived thanks to that special rule

[pale narwhal]

taking all shields on the crisis makes them give up an extra point for Bring it Down

or, 2 points I think

which has helped me in the past

Enforcer is good in ret cadre with the starflare enhancement where you don't need as much movement anyways

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/530778451804815382/1357696781944623145/image.png?ex=67f12529&is=67efd3a9&hm=bf28d22754aceecbff6c85d93b9852427af3f3f3d89de0704ecf239e9f432990&

[west zealot]

I mean, it's not like Emps listens to people

[west zealot]

I once did a small like 500 points game - this was back in 3rd editon or 4th editon>? I think third?

I was nids, my oppent was tau, hey had like 3 battlesuits, i had a broodlord and some genestealers.

Broodlord got into melee range of the suits

(least i think that's how it went. It may have been necrons? I am def mixing things up in my head it has been twenty+ years)

I'm pretty sure i did some kind of ":Well, the broodlord got into melee range, so there goes that game for the oppents" shenangins at osme point

[thin ibex]

it be like that sometimes

a good round for a genestealer squad and broodlord even now can collapse a flank

[pine matrix]

Is this the boltgun marine?

[wintry mist]

yes

fan art

(his voice actor as the marine)

[runic swallow]

Can’t be the same guy, not enough boiling rage visible on his face

[pulsar cairn]

you know, i know i shouldnt feel sorry for guilliman since he's responsible for a lot of bad things

But at the same time a lot of his fate was chosen for him so well its a bit sad, he's still bad for sure tho

[thin ibex]

I think thats fine, its a grimdark universe, theres a lot of tragedy in it

[sour sequoia]

Pretty much everybody’s been fucked from the start ever since the Necrons forged a deal with the star gods, thats the fun part!

[thin ibex]

i still have no idea how their mega ultra super cancer even worked that not a bit of their super science could solve for it

though i thought i heard that it was being made unsolvable by the deceiver, not sure if thats a fan theory

[sour sequoia]

Implication is it was literally ctan the whole time, Nightbringer was eating the star

[thin ibex]

ohhh the nightbringer

[sour sequoia]

That or the Burning One?? I’m still unclear on it, but it’d be good animus as to why Szarekh personally tore him to shreds and shoved him in the popemobile for eternity

But yeah they were getting screwed by ctan the whole time

[thin ibex]

also wasnt the decievers name pre deception something like "the coolest guy we've ever met" or something

[sour sequoia]

They just decided to kill everything else first

Yep

[jaunty dawn]

Watching x men apocalypse and I think the climax influenced the psychic aliens from astartes

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1357864824674975887/Screenshot_2025-04-04_at_18-49-50_Discover_Bluesky.png?ex=67f1c1aa&is=67f0702a&hm=2fd201978bc1c7308d69ef36df1f67ee91fecbeabcea56913dec786d99eb888c&

[tepid stratus]

Would love to but my fellow heretics are men. Good thing chaos doesn't discriminate

[pastel rampart]

Chaos gives out free HRT*

• Restrictions apply. May cause spontaneous mutations, spawndom, and drousiness. Ask your doctor before taking Chaos Juice™️.

[tepid stratus]

Chaos hrt is bathwater Tren. You're gonna be jacked and wearing a cursed refrigerator before you know it

[uneven ember]

"It'll replace your hormones with something you can't deny that."

[runic swallow]

“Replace your dysphoria with a whole new, much stranger kind of dysphoria with Chaos Spawn!”

Also, I just remembered how all chaos character models used to have the chart you rolled on after they killed another character, with chaos spawn being the double 1 result and Demon Prince being the double 6

That was very dumb, mostly didn’t come up, but was occasionally very funny

[pastel rampart]

Eye of Chaos table iirc

[uneven ember]

Abaddon kills a Sargent model and has a 1 in 36 chance of going Spawn

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KrfMl/b15064ce43.jpg

[floral herald]

This shit ripped

[uneven ember]

"this Chaos Spawn remains your Warlord" ahaha that rules

[west zealot]

I always enjoy 1d6chan's chaos spawn gag

Especially the dedicated chaos spawn article who has an Inquisitor counting all the spawn he's had to blam in the course of the article so far

[runic swallow]

Yeah that shit rocked

Loved this kind of stuff

Is it high level tournament strats? No.
Is it funny as hell when something cool or dumb happens? Hell yeah

Also, I did once have a random CSM Sargent turn into a spawn after killing a character, which was honestly just a straight upgrade

[west zealot]

Orc mek fires himself out of his own shock atk gun

Or the skaven bell that instant wins? Or whatever it was, the game.... If you roll 13 on a 2d6/1d12

[runic swallow]

The Warpstone Bell in WHF

Also, god I love Skaven

They’re just goofy lil guys
(Goofiness, littleness, and guy-ness may vary)

[west zealot]

Thanquol paced. The plan was not going well. Surely, thought Thanquol, he was the most potent of mage-rats, the most exalted of the Council's agents. Why, then, did the Lords of Decay keep sending him inferiors to work with? Warlord Skrich of Clan Krik had jeopardised the task of destroying Citadelle La Bouef. True, Thanquol had promised the drawbridges would be down, but that had been the fault of those worthless Gutter Runners. Yes, the poison Thanquol had bought for them turned out to be so watered down as to be safely drinkable, but he had saved many warptokens. Thanquol gnawed his pale, rubbery tail, recalling how the Duke had counter-attacked, sending the Clanrats fleeing. The fool Assassin should have already slain that manling! Of course, Thanquol had reassigned the Assassin to kill several upstart Skaven in his own ranks, a mission from which the Clan Eshin agent had never returned. Such failures could only be devious sabotage! But who, thought Thanquol, would dare match wits with so mighty a personage as himself? The hidden foe must be dangerous indeed.

Thanquol is doing his best

He's so good a Slann helped him get home!

(because it forsaw that than alive is such a disaster for the skaven)

[runic swallow]

Look, he can’t help it, it’s just how he is

[west zealot]

Frends – be warned! Evil ratmen of the trecherus skaven klan Skryre – may they be poxed forever, espeshully that wicked feend Heskit Wan Eye – plan to attak the Colledge of Ingineering this nite during the dark of the moon. They wish to steel your secrets for their own nefare-i-us porpoises. You must stop them or they will be wan step closer to conquering the surface world,
Yoor frend.

Nefeareius porpoises do sound pretty dangerous though, he's probably right they shouldn't be armed

[grand vigil]

Hello I have a question about culexus lore, Ik they kill psykers mostly but how do they kill non psykers too?

Because ik a lot of their equipment is for kill all psykers but how do they affect the non psykers too?