Warhammer and Such

[pulsar cairn]

i see!

its impressive to see a chaos group that is so organized

[thin ibex]

iron warriors are like the stoicism chaos marines

in a weird way, they're very non-chaotic/utilitarian about being chaotic

you dont see a lot of zealotry out of em

aside from like a zealous worship of being a tough guy i guess

[desert jay]

They also seem to like… only be continuing to fight in the Long War because it’s finishing the work that they started

[thin ibex]

yea hthey dont seem to really have any stakes in the long war aside from like... being a part of it initially

[paper bluff]

World eaters do attack but I wouldn't call them an army

They're more like..... a natural disaster

[junior robin]

except the ones that managed to form a tank company

[paper bluff]

What was that one....... brazen bulls?

[junior robin]

66th armoured company, aka: the goretreads/molossans

oh wow they are even cooler, they are neurally linked to their tanks so they can feel the enemeis get crushed under them.

[paper bluff]

Tank shock taken to the logical khornate extreme

[thin ibex]

the WE are a collection of warbands that don't like... really maintain much broad org, it's all within their individual groups

theres also that one that really liked defending right?

[paper bluff]

The black legion has "supply lines" vaguely

[thin ibex]

you know, id love to see some KT's for the retired guard regiments, unless they plan on eventually releasing specialized infantry units for some of them

but like a valhallan KT would be neat

or a Vostroyan

or very much so a Catachan I think would be neat

Catachan has a lot of room for hero-squaddies

Catachan Devils KT, translate to 40k by making them a dedicated Anti-Monster option perhaps

alternatively of course, i think fan 3d models can cover conversions of hte existing veterans KT

i think thematically vostroyans might have too much overlap with kriegsmen to ever be a thing

not vostroyans

valhallans

[supple mica]

Surely you mean Steel Legion have too much overlap

[tired cairn]

The new Ork detachment might be a bit much:

[desert jay]

Yeah people were worried it was OP day one, they were right!

[pastel rampart]

Are you saying orks can have too much dakka

cuz them's fightin' words

[brittle salmon]

taktikal brigade nerfed: ork sad
more dakka arrives: ork happy :)

[desert jay]

Here's the question though... do you think it's stronger than pre-nerf Taktikal Brigade?

[brittle salmon]

easily honestly

the results are speaking for themselves already

[floral herald]

When the hits are sustained

[jaunty dawn]

Lmao

The fact this was just released unceremoniously out of the blue too

[desert jay]

There was a little bit of ceremony

(That showed up after people discovered the PDF)

[soft willow]

Adepticon is this week and 40k is going to be weird because of this detachment.

[thin ibex]

Nah, they have aesthetic overlap but they dont fight the same at all. Valhallans were doing the too stubborn to die thing before the krieg

On the board they'd have similar roles, even if that toughness/stubborness might get reflected in the rules a little differently

[dense sedge]

susatined 2 on everything is absurd, no idea how they thought it was balanced

valhallans tend to like running infantry guard as well I think

catachans versus yymgarl genestealers would be a super cool kt box though

[uneven ember]

But they do:
Showing Them All/ the Long Sulk

Iron Warriors are that specific kind of "stoic" that's spending every unexpressive second mentally enumerating every slight and wrong that they're so bravely refusing to complain about

[desert jay]

Iron Warriors 🤝 Leagues of Votann
Holding a thousand and one grudges forever

[sour sequoia]

My name melee army (:
Also everybody shoots like Tesla Immortals (:

Goofy as hell that was allowed to print lol

[pale narwhal]

plus there's also a strat (?) that gives a unit waagh iirc

which has allowed a specific combo for moveblocking

something abt grots

[west zealot]

That cat is far too patient to be doing an angry marine impression

[paper bluff]

In theory retired guard regiments get to settle on a planet/ colonize

[tepid stratus]

Really late to the Valhallen/Krieg comparisons but at least mechanically back in the day Valhallens reduced the battle damaged penalties on their vehicles, could fire into friendly infantry squads and could converge surviving squads together into big meat waves. Krieg on the other hand mainly got battleshock shenanigans and buffs for taking damage/losing models in the unit

[deft crest]

Looked up the detachment thinking there was more to it than that but nope, Its just sustained Hits 2 and then Assault on WAAAGH

[tepid stratus]

Turns out that's all you need when your army is full of str 9+ guns, several of which get rerolls to hit to fish for sustained

[hard whale]

'retired' as in GW aren't making their models any more, not that they've finished their job

[thin ibex]

Yeah I meant that we don't have valhallan, vostroyan, mordian, steel legion, etc anymore as models in production, and many of them wouldn't have a unique enough role to get their own battleline unit without oversaturating the already plentiful guard infantry options

Was not at all talking about in-lore guard retirement

[tepid stratus]

You could reasonably make kill teams out of at least half of them

[deft crest]

A guardsmans job is never over.

[jaunty dawn]

I think a catachan refresh is one of the main things needed

[thin ibex]

Yeah that's where it started, my comment was that it'd be cool to see them come back as KTs

[tepid stratus]

My money is on a catachan vs nids kill team release

[jaunty dawn]

A light infantry unit that isnt like

As melee focused as catachan would be a niche

Could be tallarn or tanith

[tepid stratus]

Give catachan shotguns and flamers, some melee specialists and concealment tech

[thin ibex]

And yeah I realize there were actual mechanical differences with Valhallans and Kriegers, but in broad strokes, they're both the "stubborn stoicists who refuse to give in and commit to attritional warfare. Also are comfortable hitting their own guys"

[jaunty dawn]

But that sort of thing could easily just end up being ratlings 2

I think valhallans work pretty well with dk rules and kits yeah

[tepid stratus]

Tallarn would be an interesting one to see translated into kill team given the lack of vehicles. And I'm not sure putting a teenager apprentice in as the battle buddy model would go over as well as a dog

[thin ibex]

Catachan Devil squad would be cool, but part of me thinks they probably could functionally be presented by the guard veteran kt with some reskins and name changes

[jaunty dawn]

Idk about that

Catachan devils would be more elite surely

[tepid stratus]

Nah I think catachans are the easiest to differentiate because you can do a bigger variety of equipment

[floral herald]

If I was gonna do obscure imperial guard kill teams I’d do Jopall indentured or Penal Legion

[thin ibex]

I do think shotguns would be neat, and pistols

Chaeffers last chancers kill team

[floral herald]

I lowkey think Kommados would represent them really well haha

Melee stealth focus with various specialists

[jaunty dawn]

Catachan devils would be cool to complete a trio with engineers and kasrkin

[tepid stratus]

Bigger focus on shotguns and melee weapons. Ploys or specialists to bounce in and out of conceal state. Maybe some hunting animal buddy

[floral herald]

Jopall would be a fun antithesis to Krieg and penal legions are just fun in general

[thin ibex]

Demo charge(s)

Maybe a kt rule around traps

[floral herald]

Lots of potential for weird specialists and scrungle

[thin ibex]

Simple traps I mean

[jaunty dawn]

Traps would be cool

[floral herald]

There’s a few of those so it’d work well

Jaegirs and scouts are I think the current trappiest teams

Actually lowkey scouts would also be a good catachan counts as

Shotguns, traps, big knives, scary as hell leader

Also a weirdly high density of heavy weapons

[tepid stratus]

Chem dogs could be a neat team but I think a combat drug gimmick would be too much overlap with a potential EC team

I'm convinced at this point EC's cultist unit got held back for a KT release.

[floral herald]

I’ll be so mad if the EC kill team isn’t space marines haha

[tepid stratus]

Nah it'd be the perfect way to introduce gland hounds as a funky melee KT with a combat drug gimmick

[floral herald]

Yeah but every space marine team is 6 models

[thin ibex]

I know Catachan normals in 40k can't get a power weapon on the sarge for balance reasons but man I wish they came standard with at least a shotgun

[tepid stratus]

Doesn't warp coven break that rule of you take tzaangor?

[floral herald]

And DG don’t get seven models but damn it I’m not gonna let Khorne get the only sacred number KT

I think there is a warpcoven combo for 9 models though

[tepid stratus]

Yeah 2 tzzangor count as 1 pick in warp coven

So they can be an 11 man team

Khorne is also not marines, it's a modified jakhals unit

So gland hounds being the EC KT isn't out of the question

[floral herald]

If it’s 6 person I’m cool with whatever it is

But I don’t imagine a hypothetical EC chaff cultist team being 6 member is all

If it was (box makes 10ish models, KT only uses a selection of 6 specialists?) a gland hound or neumen team would be neat

I think an upgrade sprue noise marines team would also be cool

[tepid stratus]

Gland hounds aren't really chaff in the traditional sense. They are made with spliced geneseed and eldar dna

Actually now that I think about it having the option to take a Fabius clone as the leader would be really funny

It's Gland hounds or introduce a proper marine unit with a combat drugs theme because that's criminally absent from the roster outside of crusade rules

[floral herald]

That’d probably just be an upgrade sprue team for the PA box

Which I’d also dig because it’s a really good box and brimming with syringes and such

[tepid stratus]

PA box?

[floral herald]

The Tormentors/Infractors box

[tepid stratus]

Ah

Yeah I'd dig it. The box has some syringes you can also on the belts and a hand option for holding one or a grenade

But a bigger focus on it would be cool

The icon bearer backpack also has an alt build for a Chem tank

But unless you do a mixed infractors/tormentors team you'd probably have to introduce some new weapon options in the upgrade sprue

[floral herald]

It’d probably be mixed and need an upgrade sprue yeah

[tepid stratus]

Combat doctor/alchemist, melee specialist or two. You've got two light gunner options but maybe adding a sonic weapons specialist? Maybe a sniper option as well so the tormentor side gets a new weapon in addition to a spear or something for the melee specialist?

[deft crest]

Catachan having decent melee but also having the ability to shoot while in melee wouldn't go amiss.

I think only one unit can do that right now?

[floral herald]

Yeah I was thinking somewhat similar

• helix adept but drugs
• vox-shriek type guy
• psyker
• melee specialist (heavy weapon? Buffs for killing people and making drugs out of them?)
• doom siren or pistols guy

I think for identity reasons I’d avoid a heavy weapon model

But maybe more melee stuff or a dmr model would be good

I’m thinking sort of “chaos phobos” haha

[desert jay]

No way EC gets gland hounds with Bile left in CSM

[tepid stratus]

I fail to see a more appropriate cultist unit otherwise

[raw vessel]

All the Biles in other legions are clones of him is the actual cannon answer

[desert jay]

Just do like... grimdark ravers with swords

[tired cairn]

Clearly they should do a kill team that is just Bile clones

[floral herald]

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Bluesky · Mar 25, 2025, 1:01 PM

[junior robin]

finally, the emperors tungsten carbide drill's primaris lieutenant

please let this be the Death corps drill.

[rocky shale]

Probably a chaos knight weapon

[desert jay]

It feels weird not being attached to an arm or something

[pastel rampart]

Could also be an LoV thing.

[jaunty dawn]

Rumour engines have been separate parts before im pretty sure

Its got nasty claws so Im thinking chaos though

[brittle edge]

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Bluesky · Mar 25, 2025, 1:01 PM

[thin ibex]

Drills could be a remake of that one deep striking transport?

[jaunty dawn]

The imperial guard one maybe yeah

[pastel rampart]

Painted up like 12 minotaurs for the beastmen.

This isn't all the models in the army but it's everything in that one case. Eventually I'll do a full army shot.

[pulsar cairn]

I like the banner one

Give it a name cause that one is special

[sour sequoia]

oldhead supreme over here

[neon trench]

Excellent beaftemen, I like the contrast the flaming weapons and orangey-yellow grass gives

[pastel rampart]

I wanted a lot of contrasts going on, but also I needed to somehow identify unit champions so...flaming weapons it is!

[sour sequoia]

Checking my funny local GT and getting jumpscared

[uneven ember]

a thought:
somehow Sentinels seem more "space-WWI" to me than tanks
unsure what the implications of this are

[past sphinx]

maybe because of jakub rozalski

[uneven ember]

hmm
maybe

[runic swallow]

You know, I’m not quite sure what vibe-era I’d put them in

[west zealot]

Finished the Fabius Bile omnibus. That there is some damn fine writing

[pulsar cairn]

was it fabulous

[valid brook]

during WWI, everybody had legs

[west zealot]

In a "Fabius Bile is a craven monster who lies to himself so the time" way, yes

Genuinely, it was very well written baroque science fantasy, that did a good job of making Fabius more than a 2-D cackling cutout, but also didn't shy away from the fact he's a horrible monster.

And at the same time, it handled the horror well without degenerating into shock tactic etc

[runic swallow]

Did you like the Gene Hounds as much as I do?

[pastel rampart]

I only read Clonelord and I really ought to get to the other two books.

[west zealot]

Probably the best 40k novel I've read so far - way better than the dark imperium trilogy, which was shockingly crap overall, and much better realized than the infinite and the divine, which I like well enough but frankly, was pretty poorly written overall

(:Dark imperium trilogy is frustrating because when it's going more ypolitical/philosophical, it has a bunch to recommend it. But it often goes back to bolter porn, and bolter porn is not Hayleys strong point at all)

[west zealot]

They were pretty neat! I'd like to see some stuff following up Porter from Genefather, since she's seemingly what they've become a few millennia later?

[pastel rampart]

also wow the softcovers of each book go for stupid prices.

http://puu.sh/KqDDm/1c7e58ee30.jpg

how about you eat my left foot

[west zealot]

I to the portrayal of the Gland Hounds/New Men is a bit hamstrung by the fact we only really see them through the eyes of Fabius Bile & other chaos space Marines, so their impressions loom large over the depiction

[uneven ember]

I feel like this is actually the answer. "Nonsense fantasy extrapolation of period elements" works for me in a way that "later period element" doesn't.
Like how, in Exalted, I'm on board with a mecha that carries a mecha-sized sword more than I would be with an Abrams

[desert jay]

Dark Imperium I suspect is held back from having to also be an advert for the cool new space marines that just came out (available in a box set of the same name)

[uneven ember]

well, fundamentally, all 40K fiction is also an advert for the expensive army men

[desert jay]

Yeah but having to be an advert for a specific bunch of dudes and not the setting as a whole

Not even a faction as a whole

[west zealot]

Yeah notably Genefather is much much better

Ludicrously so

Cawl calling bile "A cliche in a horrible coat" is objectively hilarious

[desert jay]

That coat is pretty horrible

[pulsar cairn]

at first i didnt realize it was made of skin...

And to think he's probably the most sane emperor's children

[uneven ember]

someone (maybe JetBlack Raider) made the point that the Drukhari can, presumably, access some of the best leatherworkers that have ever existed in the history of the galaxy
they choose to go for "ratty person-skin cloak with giant ugly stitches" as a look

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s tuff

[runic swallow]

It’s what’s in fashion

Maybe in M42 it’ll be something else

[pulsar cairn]

Drukhari are weird

They dont serve slaneesh but they sure do a lot of stuff it would think its cool

Speaking of drukhari fashion

Their incubus warriors look super cool

[uneven ember]

yeah, they wouldn't admit it but in a real sense they're trying to appease Slaanesh
which I'm sure s/he finds hilarious

[west zealot]

I do like the beat of "they could just not. There's other paths, literally that would keep them safe, even safer."

But... Well

[pulsar cairn]

They surely enjoy it

Which is why they are indeed VERY evil

[west zealot]

I really liked the harlequins in this. Bunch of insane shits that they are

[west zealot]

The drukhari haemoculus in the third book who's a ynnead believer and trying to make it happen via modifying Kabals to be more aggressively suicidal was amusing too

Mate, just glass plague your own city. It'll be a lot more effective

‘You made another me?’ ‘Absolutely.’
‘While one of me is still functional?’
‘That’s the case.’
‘You can’t do that!’
‘I can do what I like, because–’
‘You’re Belisarius Cawl, yes, yes, I’ve heard that before.’ Qvo groaned again and pulled his hand down his face.
‘Come on, what’s a Cawl without a Qvo?’ said Cawl.
‘I’ve no idea, but a Qvo without a Cawl can at least rest in peace.’

[uneven ember]

"you can't do that" "bet you a dollar"

[west zealot]

Cawl absolutely do that. Then he'd keep bugging you that you owe him a dollar for the next millennia

[mental birch]

Plastic drill!?

The drill transport mechanicum has

[pale narwhal]

Could be the termite, ye

[tired cairn]

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Bluesky · Mar 26, 2025, 4:35 AM

[final tide]

hi, had to redo my path to glory list. now im gonna punch the other teams in the mouth much harder.

[west zealot]

The immediate top comment is someone asking "Can we be rude to sorcerers" which is very on brand

[deft crest]

I feel so proud to be a Khorneate player

In less happy news, I learned that Slaughterbrutes aren't available for play.

[brittle salmon]

Yeah they're an AoS only thing

[uneven ember]

"and I dipped the whole mini in Delvan Mud, as was the style at the time"

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1354468868441247967/Go-Go-Primarch_Rangers.png?ex=67e566ef&is=67e4156f&hm=04dec289ee08f725ba9e454664b12e449323d23630d7d2d79042971fc900ebe2&

[thin ibex]

I wonder what rogal dorn's shtick would be if he was brought back. Every primarch is more or less a beatstick right? But Bobby G Million is more of a supporter, the lion is more purely a fighter. Would Dorn be an objective sitting beat stick?

I also wonder how russ would differ from lion as far as mechanically

More glass canon?

Hits harder, worse save?

[tepid stratus]

Dorn would thematically be a defense piece but unfortunately expensive objective holders don't win games

[thin ibex]

True, though things that secure the center objective kinda do

[tepid stratus]

Despite making him OC 30 or something equally silly would be great

[floral herald]

The primarchs lowkey aren’t that different in the battlefield in 40K terms imo

Since they’re pretty evenly matched melee monsters except for like, Magnus

[thin ibex]

Well, between robby and the lion, I think the lion is the better combatant, but robby seems to do more other things

And self resurrects

In 40k mechanical terms I mean

They're both melee monsters by nature

But they do have their inclinations

[pastel rampart]

Dorn I think would just help empower people to hold objectives, rules-wise. That and probably MORE BOLTER.

[thin ibex]

I figure his deal would be maybe less lethal by a smidge but great for choosing and locking down an objective. Maybe similar to the nid emissary/assimilator

And of course, more bolter

Memes, his rule makes fortifications good

[tepid stratus]

Units within 6" on an objective get either +1 to save, +1 oc, or +1 to ap with bolt weapons as his primarch choices

[pastel rampart]

Granted if they had anti-fortification rules like ye olde days he'd probably add bonuses to that.

[thin ibex]

3 auras, choose in command phase 6"

• Boost OC by 1, benefit of cover
• make fortifications good
• Bolt Weapons increase ap by 1

[pastel rampart]

Regardless they better give Dorn his horseshoe moustache this time around.

[thin ibex]

I want him to have his sick personal chainsword

So we can have primarch level chainsword rep

On the table

[pastel rampart]

That'd whip ass.

[thin ibex]

I feel like leman would be angron esque in that he'd kinda be a missile.

[pastel rampart]

He'd probably be a bit "sneakier" about it in that he'd have some sort of outflank/infiltration rule to him, because...y'know. Wolf wolf.

[thin ibex]

Throw it at the enemy, if you roll good it wrecks. Next round probably eats it because he's too much of a priority target

Yeah true

[jaunty dawn]

Lion should get two models like morathi

[thin ibex]

I just figure lion has a shield, I think leman would have his two weapons, so he probably dies easier but nebulously hits harder/ more

[jaunty dawn]

Wait i meant lemon

[thin ibex]

Leman wulfen and leman the primarch?

[jaunty dawn]

Ye

[pastel rampart]

Oh 100%

Either he's gone full wulfen (but can still talk n' shit) or he transforms.

[desert jay]

[ANTI-FORTIFICATION] I'm pretty sure would be a legal weapon tag but the issue is you'd get like 0 value from it

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, you'd have to include rules for fortification and damaging them and history has shown 99% of players don't really care about that or want to deal with it.

3rd ed had a bunch of rules for that! And like no one used them because why would you bother.

[desert jay]

Oh wait you didn't mean the fortification units

[pastel rampart]

Fortification as in like, damaging terrain basically.

[desert jay]

Mmm, right

[floral herald]

It was kinda good in cities of death iirc

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, they had stratagems for that which were pretty cool.

http://puu.sh/KqFzl/3c452d977b.jpg

http://puu.sh/KqFzI/5be7e2c6d4.jpg

I believe they did away with terrain having armor values in 4th. Doesn't show up in Cities of Death or the core book (as far as I can tell).

This did get me to look through the 3e Cityfight book and man, I love the terrain they made back then.

http://puu.sh/KqFBM/b9bdf3a669.jpg

http://puu.sh/KqFC4/4479068589.jpg

This is the cool shit.

[jaunty dawn]

Cities of death is the shit honestly

[pastel rampart]

CoD was the much more cleaned-up and playable version but Cityfight had a bunch of weird and goofy rules that were kind of charming.

[runic swallow]

They had some great terrain for cities of death and such

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, I loved those plastic kits and it sucks they don't sell them anymore.

They were so modular!

[pastel rampart]

...now I want to do cityfight terrain.

[pine matrix]

Genuinely wish more terrain was supposed to look like places people would live or have lived, rather than blown up ruins or jungles or whatever

Even Necromunda seems to be mostly industrial districts

[runic swallow]

Necromunda is, in fact, mostly industrial districts

[pulsar cairn]

its full of crime

[paper bluff]

Hey now. The industrial districts are also full of crime

[pine matrix]

That's something I really enjoyed with Darktide is there's levels that are in hab-blocks so you get so see people's...I want to say "cells" since iirc they're mostly single rooms

[paper bluff]

Getting a room to yourself look at mr. Credits over here

[deft crest]

Finally finished Skulltaker playthrough

Very much a choose your own adventure but I wish you could get something to let you jump to the center of the old world after you are done ripping up lustria

[west zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cz_ssx3T3M Apprenrtly there's some warhammer streamy thing happening? Figured you folks would wanna know

[unreal cosmos]

CATHAY

[floral herald]

Oh that's exciting

I like that battalion box

[west zealot]

Nice to see them finally tapping Cathay for Warhammer. Jade lancers are beautiful models

(also greif, imagine your job being you have to paint all these models and get them ready and then you know the cemra's going to do ultra close ups etc)

Simulteinously "Cool" and "DEAR FUCKING GOD WHY"

[rocky shale]

The sky lantern is so pretty

[west zealot]

(And yes i am watching this just to enjyo the cool models)

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1354638089569435760/image.png?ex=67e60488&is=67e4b308&hm=cdaff0c5fdbce82a256c3254938d4e79b66bc494009ef846911ef8ad1d9da54e&

ayo what

[west zealot]

Adept custodes staged a breakouit

went for new employment opprunities

[dense sedge]

I wasn't expecting cathay

[west zealot]

(Honestly though, i'm a sucker for "Teracotta army as mecha/construct" stuff

[past sphinx]

HWAT

[west zealot]

and the fact these are scaled up to crazy degreess is great, i love how sutpid huge they are

[past sphinx]

bah gawd

[west zealot]

Looks likme there's a jade version too?

Dragon horse!

[floral herald]

bigass launch

[pastel rampart]

Yeah this is a whole-ass army.

The fact that it's just for TOW is a little funny.

[desert jay]

Also the square bases pushed together into a quasi-dioarma is actually really charming, esp the artillery crews

[floral herald]

wow cool dragon

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KqHDR/e73756c28c.jpg

[past sphinx]

thats a bigass fucking dragon

[floral herald]

That's such a big dragon

[past sphinx]

sick as hell

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KqHDV/210f5e2947.jpg

[west zealot]

As someone who's not got a bone in the TOW vs AoS fight, i can get where both sides are coming from. HOpefully they can support both well, because i think AoS has a lot of cool stuff as Crazy Fantasty Shennagins

[past sphinx]

in another time that would be resin

a sign of the times

[west zealot]

Wait, is that dragon the form of the woman they showed as well? Looked like it

[pastel rampart]

Yup

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1354640801686356060/image.png?ex=67e6070f&is=67e4b58f&hm=4539f4e36c46f978cdaee4504194f8d5ad0e8f01a76d700ad1648fb89b4df0a2&

[west zealot]

(I have the stream muted because i'm not very interested in them hyping stuff up, lol)

[past sphinx]

underhive killteam baby

MUNDA FODDER

[floral herald]

Tyranids for kill team

fuck yes

[past sphinx]

only took them what 8 years?

vs servators or something?

[floral herald]

Oh this is a goooood box

[past sphinx]

mechanicus looks like?

[floral herald]

I guess priests and servitors?

Fuck me our first 5 model KT

[desert jay]

AdMech players gonna be excited for more servitors again

[floral herald]

Jesus they get a Ravener Prime?

[rocky shale]

APL 3 + fights twice wowowow

[past sphinx]

handsome snakey boys

[west zealot]

Kilteam: Carnifex when.

[floral herald]

I like this Servitors

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KqHEC/b44079ff6e.jpg

http://puu.sh/KqHEF/696fa18522.jpg

[floral herald]

I figured any Tyranid KT would be all weird specialists like this but I didn't expect Raveners

[past sphinx]

really getting the uses out of those blackstone fortress models lol

[zinc field]

dangit I promised myself no more new plastic until I finished my backlog

[desert jay]

"Not a KT in itself but a bossfight for KTs to fight" rules would be kinda funny actually

[west zealot]

Nono, that's Kill team: Norn Emissary.

Kill Team Carnifex is just a single carnifex as your team.

[floral herald]

Warcry has (had?) a mission for that

[pastel rampart]

I figure either raveners or genestealers would be appropriate for KT.

[floral herald]

But Warcry is balanced very differently

[west zealot]

"Old One Eye is incredibly angry"

[zinc field]

but this is both cannon fodder dudes for my knights and new raveners for my bugs

[west zealot]

(I like Typhon's paint scheme, very nice. Good to finally have something that's not the LEvithan standard everywhere)

[floral herald]

I think that's still Leviathan it's just shaded a little different

It's a nice paint job for sure though

[west zealot]

https://i.redd.it/tuz90co875re1.png

Is literally called Typhon though , and has Typhon's paint scheme

[rocky shale]

This is much better than the existing admech KT

Since its 1 box

[floral herald]

It's also hopefully a little less complicated to operate

[desert jay]

It's also a CultMech KT instead of a Skitarii KT

[rocky shale]

True

Im slowly luring my friends to play KT and the lack of a single box admech KT was turning at least one person off of it

[floral herald]

Oh I see, Typhon is it's own fleet as of december haha

[past sphinx]

good to see the empire just brough an average texas suburb to the spearhead

[west zealot]

Meanwhile nagash was just "Ehhh, stick some wings on em... yeah. I'm a genius."

[floral herald]

Also nice for nids to finally get a bespoke

Took legit 4 years

[rocky shale]

That too

[floral herald]

But I'm excited about this box

[rocky shale]

own a musket and an ogre for self defense

[floral herald]

Blood and Zeal was ok but damn this is a banger

[rocky shale]

im splitting a blood and zeal box because I really wanted that statue >_<

I also want to paint that one cherub's hair like guy fieri

[floral herald]

I also really like that statue

I didn't pre order it but if it shows up in stores I'll probably get it

Fuck me the Typhon box is sick though

I love the terrain and there's so much in it

[rocky shale]

I have a LGS that offers good discounts but is mostly online sales so they always sell out on popular pre-orders, then another store nearby thats msrp but almost always gets enough for the smaller local group of players

wack

[past sphinx]

now thats a truely fucked deployment

perfect

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/n9qtzvsu/protect-the-great-gun-from-tyranid-invasion-in-kill-team-typhon/
Better model picks

I love this underseer

[rocky shale]

Eightbound character for WE

[past sphinx]

ah man it was just a WE character

[rocky shale]

returns dead WE models

[past sphinx]

and an eightbound at that

[west zealot]

Khorneguy is going ot have some real trouble going to the bathroom with that hand

[rocky shale]

oof 5 detachments for WE

[past sphinx]

WE continue slipping down the stairs

[floral herald]

It's the guy from Darktide!

They gave the wall guy legs at last

[past sphinx]

Karnack back? what

[desert jay]

5 detachments isn't bad at all if they're not stinkers

[thin ibex]

Wait new kts?

[west zealot]

Truly, the greatest foe of the World Eaters: Banana Peels.

[floral herald]

Tyranid Raveners vs priests and servitors

[rocky shale]

4 is bare minimum + 1 daemon soup

[thin ibex]

Yooo

[west zealot]

Looks like new World Eaters and Death Guard too?

[rocky shale]

Not terrible given the small faction range

[thin ibex]

Ravener kt super cool and unexpected

[desert jay]

Oh hey Karanak coming back

[rocky shale]

ROBOTS

[past sphinx]

new freaks!

[floral herald]

Oh my god it really happened

Chaos androids with no imperial equivalent

[rocky shale]

they have free overwatch and heavy warpflamers

[past sphinx]

they finally got a 5th unit holy shit

[rocky shale]

and theyre vehicles

[thin ibex]

What dis?

[rocky shale]

lmao

[floral herald]

Old World Cathay launch

And it's big

[thin ibex]

Oh holy shit

I want

[mental birch]

She's hot

Baabhaah

[floral herald]

I was expecting nids soon but not Raveners

[pastel rampart]

Sandroids

[rocky shale]

Also a Tsons vehicle detachment seems funny

[past sphinx]

600 copys christ

[rocky shale]

1600*

[past sphinx]

those might as well not even exist

oh

those might as well not even exist

[floral herald]

yeah jeez

[west zealot]

Grief

I hate limited production shit like that

[rocky shale]

GK are just getting a grandmaster in dreadknight lmaoooo

[floral herald]

I think the medallion is cool but I'm not gonna fight for a copy at all lol

[rocky shale]

Never getting a size update

[past sphinx]

im malding im crying

[west zealot]

The dreaknight is uh, it's a chocie they made deisgn wise

[desert jay]

Extra emphasis on "Limited" in Limited edition

[floral herald]

stay short my friends

[past sphinx]

seething and coping all up the walls

[west zealot]

It's a damn shame because you could make the design work with a bit more armor etc

[past sphinx]

its ugly

[floral herald]

they should give them an extra rhino seat

[west zealot]

But well, i agree with the summary of it as 'Baby carrier"

[rocky shale]

GK get a new baby carrier for the 5'11" gang

[floral herald]

I think the Dreadknights would look better if they didn't basically have them all t-posing

[west zealot]

The sister's version with the more dynamic pose works a lot better, yeah

[floral herald]

The posing for both has been so bland

[past sphinx]

going back to armageddon like a seasonal holiday

[west zealot]

https://static.wikitide.net/1d6chanwiki/7/7b/MorvennVahlAbbessSanctorum.jpg

[floral herald]

At this point it's like Angron's vacation home jeez

[west zealot]

This is def better than the basic dreadknight thing

the cloth helping disguise the legs is good

[floral herald]

It's also much much smaller though

[desert jay]

Armageddon as in the home of the Steel Legion, that Armageddon?

[west zealot]

Yes, it's a better design 😛

[floral herald]

lol campaign book has random daemons

that's fun

[past sphinx]

less a home, more a burning trailer park

oh shit

sickass dogs

[floral herald]

oh my god they're getting the BOYS back together

[past sphinx]

the boys are BACK

FUCK

[rocky shale]

are those new dog models?

[past sphinx]

THE WOLVES ARE WOVLVES AGAIN

[west zealot]

Unleash: The borking.

[floral herald]

Fuck I'm hyped about space wolves again

My least favorite thing about them is how bland they look in Primaris

[rocky shale]

armored fursuit wolf priest

sickass coat

[floral herald]

don't want 2 get chilly

[west zealot]

The chaplain they're shwoing at the moment? I think that's the chaplain

looks great

[thin ibex]

Oh are these like being revealed right now?

[west zealot]

the skull helmet with hood is a fantastic touch

[rocky shale]

space marines in coats is so goofy i love it

[desert jay]

So wait a sec... is GK not getting any infantry refreshes? Damn, people were really expecting that w/ the new termies in SM

[floral herald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cz_ssx3T3M

Adepticon reveal stream

[floral herald]

Just like after the first war for armageddon the wolves are clowning on them

And getting so much more stuff

[uneven ember]

screaming at Gaz like "THIS WAS MY THING FIRST!"

[rocky shale]

just a fancier baby carrier

[pastel rampart]

See I never really liked the plastic firstborn kits because they looked kinda...not good.

[west zealot]

Gaz is going to be so so upset if it's canon Angron killed Yarrick.

[floral herald]

oh fuck the cut down blood claw tacitus is cool

[past sphinx]

BEAKY SPOTTED

[pastel rampart]

I do like they kept the wild-ass haircuts.

[past sphinx]

MK7 HEAD SPOTTED

BASED ALERT

[west zealot]

One has to imagine Space Wolf Barbers.

[floral herald]

I like how they're also continuing to dissolve the firstborn/primaris distinction

[past sphinx]

genuinely havent been this happy about a marine reveal in AGES

[rocky shale]

OC3 battleline gross

[floral herald]

yeah this one is peam

[uneven ember]

kan we sez like ai-planez in da nite sky is like shootin' starz
for I could make use of a

[west zealot]

(Actually though, given Viking's historically were big on cleanleyness and grooming their hair, Space Wolves having a whole subculture of barbers and hair care would make perfect sense)

[floral herald]

It wouldn't be a mid-edition space wolf launch without them being mechanically grody

[thin ibex]

Blood claws with 3 oc?

[floral herald]

Grey Hunters I think

[thin ibex]

Oh fuck yeah

Grey hunters represent

[floral herald]

I think it's a shared kit

I'm not sure though

[thin ibex]

Am I gonna actually buy new space wolves in 2025?

[floral herald]

fuck me I almost started collecting them in 5e

I can't do this shit

[pastel rampart]

Also funny we get yet another war on Armageddon and still no steel legion.

[thin ibex]

I have my old battle box collection with krom dragongaze

Cheap for an epic but not very good

I have no vehicles whatsoever

First models I ever put together

[rocky shale]

There's MORE

Who let the dogs out

[past sphinx]

wolf lord in terminator armor probably?

[runic swallow]

(Who, who who who)

[thin ibex]

My long Fangs each have a different weapon lol

[floral herald]

Did Yarrick get promoted to space wolf?

What are they getting at

oh lmao

[rocky shale]

I think he got promoted to corpse

[floral herald]

mean

[west zealot]

R I P Yarry.

[floral herald]

I was kinda hoping for like Cyberyarrick wired into the Fortress of Arrogance

[rocky shale]

looks like a space marine lol

[floral herald]

what a shocker

[pastel rampart]

Salamanders, League, and Fists?

[thin ibex]

Primaris shadow lieutenant

[west zealot]

Now if it turns out it's a returning primach in full armor, that'll be a tweeest.

(I cannot imagine they'd bring a primach back without ah elmeltless model)

[floral herald]

That's my read

[thin ibex]

Lion got full armor, I think g man also got full armor if you wanted

[rocky shale]

drukhari players continue to suffer (lore accurate experience)

[dense sedge]

that was my reaction as well like, why bother when its such a basic and recognizable silhouette?

[west zealot]

Okay, i'm snickering.

[rocky shale]

warcom confirms no daemons codex

[topaz hinge]

The future of warhammer is haunted by a spectre, the spectre of space marines

[west zealot]

Big twist: It's a new tyrnnaid model, Infested Space Marine.

Bigger twist: GW now in legal battle with Acti-Blizzard

[rocky shale]

This looks better than secret missions

[desert jay]

So, with Salamanders and Imperial Fists coming, if they both get 3 detachments each, that'll raise the expected total count of SM detachments to 30. More if they get any quarterlies (and they prolly will)

[floral herald]

They might not get rules just some models

[desert jay]

Yeah we dunno yet

[thin ibex]

Ah but you see, space marine fans deserve every Detachment

I don't think they'd get 3 though

But I guess maybe

[zinc field]

The rules writers will not rest until there is a detachment for every space marine unit and chapter ever published

[thin ibex]

Fire hawks Detachment

[zinc field]

Lieutenants get two detachments

[thin ibex]

Crimson fists Detachment ability: gain OC for every unit based on the number of units you lost

Entire army gets anti-Ork 3+ on every gun

Every Enhancement is about hating orks more

[west zealot]

Ork "Dat aint roight. Dat aint roight at all."

[thin ibex]

Lamenters Detachment ability: -1 to all rolls, saves, and checks

[west zealot]

They're doing their best. Stop bullying them.

[desert jay]

Oh, drip

[thin ibex]

THE DRIP

WOLF PRIEST DRIPPED OUT, MY BOI

[floral herald]

Continuing the proud space wolf tradition of hair which doesn't seem like it should fit under a helmet

[thin ibex]

You get a pistol or a cool ice knife

[floral herald]

I wonder if it's a weapon option or just a visual choice

Upon further inspection I love these servitors

I thought they were a little plain at first

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722865032391819305/1354656554359722155/image.png?ex=67e615ba&is=67e4c43a&hm=41b402375a95a0f6ea4990deec4f5ca217ea3804d0d86c7baded05f1cd576c14&

[thin ibex]

Thy nids have this weird lore situation of "Is generally winning but we get stories of the times enemies have won pyrric victories against them"

Like everywhere we're not looking, they're generally kicking everyone's ass

[floral herald]

I think the biggest Tyranid aristeia type story they get is the short story The Fall of Malvolion

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/lr369u/excerpt_the_fall_of_malvolion_dan_abnett/
Excerpt from the end

CW: suicide

[paper bluff]

Anything for custodes in the new stuff?

[floral herald]

nope

Closest you get is that the new Tyranid kill team will probably make a decent counts-as Custodes team rules wise

[dense sedge]

oh course its lamenters

[floral herald]

I dig how this posing evokes the ancient True Grit USR

[pale narwhal]

The posing is sick

[dense sedge]

tyranid terrain is tempting

[uneven ember]

It's also just a situation where you don't tend to spotlight a lot of their big wins, because usually the viewpoint faction gets to win their books
and 'nids are like the one faction seen entirely from the outside

[thin ibex]

Does help keep their mystique a little

New grey hunters has me hype tbh, but I wonder if they'll still get a special weapon option

I'm thinking probably not

It's gonna be bolt carbines, chainswords, and big oc

[floral herald]

Flexible loadouts has been their thing for a while so it could happen

[thin ibex]

Their "special weapon" will likely be having a character lead them, to synergise with sons of russ

They'll be one of the few battle line marine units that actually has full activity in both phases

I'm guessing the carbine will be assault, str 4 ap0 d1 weapons

[uneven ember]

oh, I'm not complaining
I dig the narrative role. Or roles, really, 'nids are multipurpose
they're space-bugs, they're dragons, they're unknowable gods
just that by nature all their roles exist for a more relatable perspective to react to

[paper bluff]

Who is the new world eater? I cannot find images

[floral herald]

"Slaughterbound" as like a character leader for 8bound

[uneven ember]

hah, nice

[deft crest]

Wow thats pretty cool actually

[floral herald]

I'm excited to see their rules

I'm guessing like 16-18 wounds?

[deft crest]

Yeah At LEAST 15

Weird though still!

I would have prefered good old warriors for extra options

Kinda ONLY KINDA bummed about that

Or well

You know

Lictors

THE killest conceal nid

[mental birch]

The return of servitors out of legends!?

[floral herald]

Honestly I'm more excited for Raveners, they look like they're gonna be weird

I like the tunnel I assume for fast movement

Interesting how KT has been reticent to add big shooting monsters too

[deft crest]

I kinda get it

Its already pretty killy with what we have for most teams

Having a bigger gun seems

Idk Seems like its just not whats needed

9 times out of 10 if i'm shooting a unit with a sniper that thing is grass, I have only made (1) REALLY unoptimal shot and payed for it playing dwarves

But every other sniper has like dev wound 3 so

I can't imagine something getting big AND shooty and getting any good stuff out of it

[floral herald]

I think it's also a little easier to balance badass melee because of possible chip damage when fighting and generally being more at risk yeah

[deft crest]

I sure as fuck learned my lesson with clowns

Wow I'm strong as shit and can kill anything that moves!

[floral herald]

Like one of the shittiest models to interact with (albeit not OP just centralizing) is the Angels of Death infiltrator

[deft crest]

Unless i charge into 3 silly dudes

And then they will just EAT ME ALIVE

[floral herald]

Clowns hit hard asf in melee too

menacing fucking team haha

[deft crest]

Yeah but you REALLY need to peel off units if you are going against swarm teams

Do Not Let Them Group Up

The rules are so much more tuned for combat not being easy for big units in multiman brawls at all

Well I have learned, Next time I'm taking nads

[floral herald]

Yeah there's a few 1vN melee specialists but they're honestly really rare in the game

[deft crest]

Also Embrace is WAY better for swarms

3/7 On 5 dice

Yeah

Shoulda run the math

Anyway Raveners are cool, Shame my lictor and warriors stay dusty

[floral herald]

Like this guy

(Devastating Onslaught turns off assistance and allows you to make a 2" charge reaction to enemy actions or counteractions)

[deft crest]

Hngggg

I hope the letter cosplayers go as hard

I have my first 40k 2k fight since like

2017~2018 ish tomorrow

And boy I need these demons to make me feel something lmao

[floral herald]

Their version is prolly this guy

[mental birch]

What army?

[deft crest]

Khorne Demons, pure letters fleshhounds thirsters and skullcannons

3 (one is skarbrand my beloved) 30 30 and 3

I think depending on how RAW deepstrike feels vs how much I get out of the Detachment rules I may swap future matchs to running same thing but under Daemonic Incursion as the detachement rules instead

[deft crest]

I'm always a fan of KILL GET THINGS

Hope their bloodtanks heals are slightly better than 1d3 though

Because I forsee only being able to fight twice before they're all tuckered out

[floral herald]

It's 2d3 I think

[deft crest]

Mmm good.

Average of 4 hp is fine

Ohhh right

That crit to normal

Thats going to actually change how i feel a lot tbh

[floral herald]

The crit to normal is pretty good yeah

And them being 1 shot immune from shooting is really nice

[thin ibex]

I didn't back read so I apologize if this was covered already, but on reflection, raveners make sense. They're kinda not super popular rn and don't have a lot of pizzazz. By doing a KT they get an interesting KT mechanic to play with and get to refresh raveners all at once

[jagged dawn]

The model reveals look sick. Definitely enjoying the new space wolves and Nids

Love us some Raveners

[thin ibex]

I'm a big fan of the "terror from below" theme that they engage with, along with trygons

[uneven ember]

I just think they're neat.

[pale narwhal]

the raveners are sick

my nids buddy is beyond excited to have a proper killteam (and ravener models for regular 40k), we're gonna go halves on the KT box as our first foray into it

[west zealot]

Damnit, the Terminids broke multiversal containment.again.

Re: nids and perspective, I'd love to see a high concept novel from their perspective where all the names characters are just the various hive fleets/sub fleets thereof. Leave it as vague as possible on if the are independent entities, bits of the hive mind talking to itself, or what

[rocky shale]

Auspex tactics already has a video out about the reveals

[floral herald]

I am mostly against novels with access to tyranid interiority since it’s often kind of… flat when I’ve seen it

That said

There is a bit of short fiction kind of like that and it’s pretty good

[west zealot]

Ye, it's something that would take a delicate touch, and frankly, be easy to fuck up.

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/ljd2px/excerpt_inferno_issue_20_hive_fleet_horror_by/?rdt=58816

This is very old but it’s IMO pretty much the only good Tyranid interiority we get

There’s some newer stuff like the animosity they have towards the blood angels which I’m less satisfied with

[west zealot]

The real trick would be getting Kronos's attitude towards chair right. Because it's implicitly hilarious that a hive fleet evolved to give the warp the middle finger

[floral herald]

SURVIVE! AND SURVIVE FOREVER!
Remains the best description of what the Tyranids want for me

[runic swallow]

That or just “endless hunger, never satisfied”

[west zealot]

I do think you could expand that out, get multiple views on what this means, how it means - especially if you play up the idea there's not a hive mind as some big entity out there, and instead it's an emergent property of the accumulation of every single linked tyranid brain.

There's no "hive mind" StarCraft style, or in the way there's a singular Employer of mankind.

But if you take a bunch of organic brains, link them together, and do this to a truly staggering degree... Every brain is a neuron in the resulting gestalt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_brain

[tired cairn]

Huh, the ravenor kill team being only five models is interesting

Oh, the other side is admech, this box is perfect for me. Oh no

I'm not sure if I dislike the ravenor models or just dislike the paint job

[runic swallow]

Oftentimes you can’t fully judge a model until other painters get their hands on it, the GW house style is pretty specific and can kinda make things hard to judge at times

[tired cairn]

Yeah

Tyranids being the most elite kill team is kind of funny

[pale narwhal]

it might be that the box contains six? since that's the current max size of ravener squads and warriors on tabletop

but one is just a basic warrior for 40k purposes and not in the KT

them being the most elite is very funny tho

[sonic hare]

going back to the lokhust destroyer new sculpt waiting room

[jaunty dawn]

So happy abt kill team typhon

The terrain like, infesting the base set urban is really fun

The raveners look great and the new techpriest is pretty cool too

New spearhead stuff looks really cool

Space wolves could be cooler tbh but thats kinda the same as the blood angels

At least wolf priest will have real rules again

Looks like another bunch of codex chapter releases eventually too

[hard whale]

Do we think the Servitor KT will have the archaeologist included in the box or will it be like the Genstealer and Harlequin KTs where you gotta get the cool guy separately?

I guess we won't know until the next big box set comes out and they package them as individual boxes

[jaunty dawn]

In the little box? Good chance no, yeah

[hard whale]

I just get excited when they find new uses for the Blackstone Fortress characters

[jaunty dawn]

Lack of chaos models is kinda crappy

At least thousand sons got an actual unit

I guess gw is like adding daemons to the codex while nerfing them counts as full wave right

While doing a mega wave for every space marine chapter

[hard whale]

When I saw the Automata I thought they'd be a bit bigger, like tall dreadnaughts. But they're more like those guys who wear power armour on their power armour

Centurions! That's who I was thinking of

[jaunty dawn]

New dreadknight also seems kinda pointless. Guess itll be higher fidelity

[hard whale]

I didn't think they could make it any more ridiculous but then they put missiles on the pilot's chest

that's going to hurt when they take off

[jaunty dawn]

Its meant to be in his armpits i guess

[desert jay]

Yeah the new dreadknight is just an upgrade sprue for an exiting datasheet that didn't have a model, which is kinda neat but I think GK players were at least expecting a termie refresh after SM and DA got great new ones

[west zealot]

It's just such a weird design. Like okay, it's riffing on the Power loader from aliens, with some apu from matrix thrown in

And if it was scaled appropriately for a guardsman, and had a bit of a roll cage around the pilot, I could buy it.

But it's built at a crazy scale, is designed to fight greater demons, and the pilot is just... Dangling there. He's not even got a roll cage!

(at least, not a proper one).

The worst thing is if you scaled the cockpit out a bit, made it translucent, hell, just make it a roll cage and technobabble that grey knights do Psyker Bullshit to make it safe, and you'd have a pretty reasonable design

(compare and contrast the Invictor warsuit. Okay, needs cockpit protection, but way more reasonable looking)

[upper bluff]

Dreadknights are sadly iconic at this point

[hard whale]

At least you can't hit the Invictor pilot from the sides, and it emphasises how only particularly selfless vanguard marines use those. Dreadknights take the best of the best of the best and any CSM could just blast them out of their harness

[upper bluff]

The baby carrier with murder codpiece is just part of the grey knight fantasy and either you love how silly it is or you don't

[west zealot]

I will always complain about visual design that makes me grumpy. Always

[upper bluff]

I respect that

[west zealot]

Don't get me started on that one Sith and his tactical suicide lightsaber knees

[upper bluff]

Sadly I think whoever is in charge of Grey knights has only one rule

And it's to keep the baby carrier

[west zealot]

(the thing is, I'm all for stupid awesome design. I can see ways to make the Dread knight work! Even keeping the pilot exposed! But it's gotta be with the emphasis on stupid Awesome.

[upper bluff]

Yeah instead the new model is just kinda standing there

Like an action figure

[west zealot]

What id do personally it's strip it down, and make it much more clearly an over sized exoskeleton that's overlapping the grey knights limbs

[upper bluff]

You know, the dreadknight is actually really action figure coded

Like I'm certain I had a batman toy with the same idea

[west zealot]

(I do wonder how much of it's design choices were forced by modeling realities? From what I've gathered they gave quite stringent processes with the molds - my skeletal suggestion could be literally impractical)

[misty violet]

I feel like they just come out of a really unfortunate period for GW's design team, around the same time we also got the super stumpy and conceptually similar Centurions

And now the design is stuck

[upper bluff]

I figured out what the dreadknights remind me of

Even exo force had the mind to give them a windshield though

[pine matrix]

I think if the Grey Knight was more regressed into the design, it would look less silly. It's the fact they're protruding out that is silly, looks like the seat in a roller coaster

Also, I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but the Miao Yin looks fucking cool as shit

I'm not even that interested in Old World, but that is dope as hell

[desert jay]

I actually have this exact set (and also the red one)

[mental birch]

Changecaster (70pts): Arcane Fireball, Herald combat weapon, Warlord, Inescapable Eye

10x Blue Horrors (125pts)
10x Blue Horrors (125pts)
10x Blue Horrors (125pts)
10x Pink Horrors (140pts)

3x Flamers (65pts)
Burning Chariot (115pts): Fires of Tzeentch, Flamer mouths, Screamer bites
Burning Chariot (115pts): Fires of Tzeentch, Flamer mouths, Screamer bites
Burning Chariot (115pts): Fires of Tzeentch, Flamer mouths, Screamer bites

[mental birch]

What do folks think of this nonsense?

Too much?

[desert jay]

It's monogod daemons, IDK how much flex room you have besides more characters

[mental birch]

Fair

Like I guess I buy more flamers?

But the blues are already 125

My goal is to anny and cause problems by having battleline everywhere hahaha

[desert jay]

Oh this is also only 1k points, right no wonder the list looks short

[deft crest]

Were daemons nerfed?

[jaunty dawn]

slaanesh ones were

[deft crest]

Fellow mono god player 🤝

[jaunty dawn]

plus a lot of units rotated out

[deft crest]

Its only a shame you are a dirty sorcerer but i respect you greatly.

[desert jay]

The legends-ed units were only
A) Every datasheet built from that Slaanesh chariot kit
B) Karanak

And Karanak was confirmed to be coming back

[deft crest]

Oh?

Recently?

Thats good though

[desert jay]

Yeah it was in the preview show yesterday, they even said "sorry, we screwed up there"

[jaunty dawn]

thats good

[deft crest]

😌

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1354796313048256583/IMG_9050.jpg?ex=67e697e3&is=67e54663&hm=343be8753d7e140f3b4f7474a0313406562f660d53c6cc8b1a66eae46f1c6b7a&

[mental birch]

The goal here is to be annoying and not die

Also hand our rerolls like candy

[deft crest]

I'm glad, Recently I went through the World Eaters unit roster and well, If they roll Daemons into their faction At least they will get some units that are a bit different.

The only thing I want from their lists are slightly better battle lines and Daemon engines.

[desert jay]

Remove 1 chariot, get more flamers, upgrade some blues to pinks

[deft crest]

So karanak coming back for my dog heavy lists will be fun

And also means if i want i could play a 500 point with just dogs

[mental birch]

Gonna have to make a purchase but ehh fair need to do thst anyway ahaha

[desert jay]

Ahhh, didn't know this was a physical list, hmm

In that case, two useful bits of data:
A) What stuff from your initial list do you not have?
B) What stuff do you have that's not included?

[deft crest]

-# Could always go for just some 3D prints

[mental birch]

I have everything in the initial list

Not included is 1 more chariot, and wayyy too many blue and brinstones

[desert jay]

Gotcha

[deft crest]

Is this model an yennead thing btw?

I'm so out of the loop with eldar

[desert jay]

Well I think your list is fine enough, that Rumsfeld quote is on my mind

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want..."

[mental birch]

Haha yeah

But yeah hunting down another box of pinks

If I have more flamers in the giant ass lot I bought

Vore idea is just drowning in regenerating bodies hahaha

[desert jay]

https://tenor.com/bA1NR.gif

[mental birch]

Pffft

Goddamit

[hard whale]

Funnily enough it's Thousand Sons. I also wish they hadn't painted them in a wraithbone colour

[mental birch]

@deft crest look 4+ invuln everywhere combined with regeneration and rerolls up my butt

Hahahah

[deft crest]

I'm going to hope to god my letters get their worth.

Because i'm so scared of the shooting phase

It feels so weird going from 2018 kt where you roll to charge, To modern kill team where its a set distance, To going to 10th where I have to roll to charge again

[mental birch]

How not to be seen

Is the usual piece of advice I have

Hahhaha

[tired cairn]

Thousands Sons getting robots seems weird. Though I guess the iron men in 40k were allegedly particularly weak to the warp for some reason?

[floral herald]

Supposedly they were easy to corrupt because they didn’t have souls

I think this is probably not factual

And is part of the dogmatic disdain for abominable intelligence which humanity has

[tired cairn]

Isn't it the opposite of how it works for every other case of things without souls in the universe, ha

[desert jay]

TSons already had some unique HH robots too

[floral herald]

I think it’s a little back and forth but yeah there’s no solid reason to think that machines are more vulnerable at least

The men of iron we see and tau drones and such seem to do ok

Same with ironkin

[deft crest]

Yeah

Otherwise Tau would also be easily corruptable

Because they register less as a psychic entity, So the idea that something that has NO registry at all would be more corruptable is kinda backwards

Daemonsmithing only works because the amount of effort that goes into binding, if machines were easily corruptable I bet we'd have way more engines running around

[jaunty dawn]

men of iron were on both sides of the war so

in terms of TS robots; they and dark angels are the only HH legions with unique robots

mind, those look like this

but yeah

[mental birch]

There's also iron handa

And his iron hands

Led by Mr Iron Hand

[jaunty dawn]

do they?

oh

you mean iron warriors circle of steel

yeah true

[desert jay]

Yeah the new ones are twinks compared to these

[junior robin]

wow, I guessed right about the tyranid thing being KT.

also yay servitor kill team, the thing I have dreamed of!

bit sad to see no big servo-arms though

[tired cairn]

I like how these servitors look. Which I haven't before so that's nice

"Servitor Underseer" is such a weird name that I don't know how to interpret. Does that make it rank under servitors? lol

[pine matrix]

He's their seer but he's under the guy in charge? 🤔

[hard whale]

Line Manager, Servitor Department

[mental birch]

Commander Farsight (95pts): Dawn Blade, High-intensity plasma rifle
Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit (110pts): Prototype Weapon System, Cyclic ion blaster, 2x Fusion blaster, High-output burst cannon, Battlesuit fists, 2x Shield Drone
Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit (95pts): 4x Fusion blaster, Battlesuit fists, 2x Shield Drone
Commander in Enforcer Battlesuit (100pts): Warlord, Starflare Ignition System, 4x Missile pod, Battlesuit fists, 2x Shield Drone

10x Kroot Carnivores (65pts)
10x Pathfinder Team (90pts)
3x Stealth Battlesuits (60pts)
3x Stealth Battlesuits (60pts)
3x Stealth Battlesuits (60pts)
5x Kroot Hounds (40pts)
3x Crisis Fireknife Battlesuits (130pts)
3x Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits (110pts)
3x Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits (110pts)
3x Crisis Sunforge Battlesuits (150pts)
3x Crisis Sunforge Battlesuits (150pts)
Riptide Battlesuit (190pts): Riptide fists, Ion accelerator, 2x Missile Drone, Missile pod, Twin fusion blaster
Riptide Battlesuit (190pts): Riptide fists, Ion accelerator, 2x Missile Drone, Missile pod, Twin fusion blaster
Riptide Battlesuit (190pts): Riptide fists, Ion accelerator, 2x Missile Drone, Missile pod, Twin fusion blaster

My nonsned3 tsu

[dense sedge]

I think it’s also because they lead them underground

[uneven ember]

considering DKoK again and how it fundamentally bothers me that the WWI Guard subfaction went with "stoic deathseeking penitents" and not "despairing conscripts with the worst fucking job"

[floral herald]

They shoulda made Jopall indentured the popular one

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[uneven ember]

oh those are dope

[floral herald]

Jopall I think originated at about the same time and are an intentional foil to the DKOK (they both got stationed on Armageddon and did not get along)

[tired cairn]

Despairing conscripts with unhinged officers with a deathwish would be neat and I think under explored by 40k?

[floral herald]

The Jopall thing is that they’re all born in debt on their home planet and join the army as a fast way to pay it off

So they’re unusually for 40k, professional soldiers who are in it to get paid and then retire into relative comfort

By imperial standards their treatment of the chain of command is lax, and they’re individualistic “glory hounds” who track their kills because they get a bonus

They’re also casualty averse and all about using the dirtiest lowest most perfidious tricks to safely deal as much damage as possible

On Armageddon this meant stuff like poisoning water supplies and leaving jury rigged artillery pieces out for the orks to loot

Naturally the Krieg can’t stand em

They’re another “originally a steel legion recolor” regiment

[tired cairn]

hive worlds have water supplies that aren't already effectively poisoned?

[floral herald]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/03/Jopall_Indentured_Squadrons.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130212051851

They also got this generic goon ass art piece

[floral herald]

Clearly not as poisoned as they could be!

[uneven ember]

Right?
and it fits so well, the Poor Bloody Infantry aspect of the Guard

[floral herald]

I’m personally very tickled by the Jopall because the guard is like

“We’re duty bound born soldiers who can field strip a rifle before we can walk”

“We’re fanatic penitents who are indoctrinated to sacrifice our lives”

“We’re in to get MONEY, we want to be PAID”

[dense sedge]

Krieg red and black feels odd

Savlar are one I also really like

[still warren]

Hey did they announce when the Cathay rules will be out?

[thin ibex]

lore wise, the idea is that fulgrim's soul is now in the sword and has to helplessly watch stuff happening? Or is he fully corrupted, no sword soul swap business?

[uneven ember]

Commissar walking the lines like "stand fast! Am true! Get that bread!"

[uneven ember]

I think he re-swapped with the demon but is totally corrupted now.

[runic swallow]

Pretty sure that’s a color error from the photo/scan, I think it’s actually dark brown leather

Like, very dark brown leather with a lighter brown highlight

[paper bluff]

Battle against tooth decay looking mfer

[paper bluff]

There was a sliver of the uncorrupted soul but that went to clonegrim

[mental birch]

They did not but my guess is end year

[unreal cosmos]

A plan I have on the back burner is to do an army where the Cadian models are painted like this and the new Kreig ones are painted like the originals

[floral herald]

That sounds awesome actually

[unreal cosmos]

I like Jopall a lot, they're tragicomic in a weird way

In my head the uniforms would be due to new recruits getting folded into veteran forces, a sort of "enthusiastic new hire and their dead-inside coworker" scenario

[pulsar cairn]

sooo this guy is possessed by a bloodthirster hmmm....doest feel like he gained THAT much

is the power of the demon limited to how much the vessel can take?

im sure he's still much more powerful than a regular marine

[unreal cosmos]

As an eight bound he's probably actively limiting the corruption

[tired cairn]

He's also apparently pretty big. Like a significant fraction of a demon Prince?

[dense sedge]

Drukhari players aren’t too happy right now, some are worried the faction will be cut even if I dont agree

[uneven ember]

that seems... unlikely?
i mean they unsquatted the squats

[dense sedge]

Some are hoping that they’re the antagonist for 11th but orks feel more likely to me

[uneven ember]

I don't feel like the DEldar would be great as a big edition antagonist
you have plenty of "threat to the galaxy" factions, Drukhari are just living their best life and popping out into realspace to pull some epic trolling

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1354930156212453446/7b4174acf00bd1ecf3ee49964c8edbdf.png?ex=67e7148a&is=67e5c30a&hm=129d165b4dfa8c30c9cd3c37a80ec2428f58a17187c1265176f57b92329d30a6&

[thin ibex]

what do we think the blood claw and grey hunter rules will be like

cause blood claws kinda exist in the same space as assault intercessors

but grey hunters are more like a flex pick between assault intercessors and normal intercessors

[jaunty dawn]

probably not massively different hmm

what are they now

[thin ibex]

they get extra attacks on the charge but no rr to wound

on the blood claws

i could see them keeping that

[jaunty dawn]

grey hunters are kinda weird arguably cause arent bolt carbines just 4 / 0 / 1

so even if they like. get keywords as an add they're arguably a bit meh even compared to heavy bolt pistols

[thin ibex]

yeah so my theory is grey hunters will lose the special weapon, supposedly they might have OC 3 based on the reveal, and they'll be in a flex spot of having an assault weapon and chainswords

[past sphinx]

ah but these are Bigmcdoghuge pattern whatever the fuck

so the stats can be different

[thin ibex]

4/0/1 but with assault and 2 attacks prolly

[jaunty dawn]

assault wouldnt be awful

[thin ibex]

and chainswords, if they keep their current rule, they'll also have fall back and shoot baked in

[jaunty dawn]

blood claws have been +1 a on the charge for a while so thatll probably stay

i would be unsurprised if pack leaders went away

[thin ibex]

same

[jaunty dawn]

either that or they'll get models

[thin ibex]

though it depends on if champs of russ is still ehavily character dependant

but i guess between lieutenants and battle leaders

you have plenty

[jaunty dawn]

im kinda sad theres not at least a plasma pistol and a power weapon in grey hunters

or a flamer in bloodclaws

[thin ibex]

yeah, i kinda expected it to be honest

[jaunty dawn]

like compared to crusader squads

it feels a bit weird to make them so vanilla

[thin ibex]

kinda wish grey hunters had at least a nade launcher

[jaunty dawn]

especially when the space wolf thing is basically using the exact same loadout they used in horus heresy (retroactively)

so like if they didnt care about the first codex i dont know why theyd care now

[past sphinx]

NOW THIS this should have been the mkx helmet

just without the jewel

[jaunty dawn]

its cool

[thin ibex]

well, their influx of primaris reinforcements and logan's chat with g man prolly has illicited more change in the chapter than the codex astarted ever did

[jaunty dawn]

i think its cooler for being unique though

[past sphinx]

its sleek and modern but with the rivits and nose guard it keeps the knightly vibe

[jaunty dawn]

i mean I dont think mk7 had a knightly vibe at all haha

[past sphinx]

true it had a "screaming wrath of the god emperor" vibe

[jaunty dawn]

only specific ones really go there imo

ummm

I like wolf guard with wolf friend squad a lot

[thin ibex]

yeah im super curious as to what that squad is gonna be for

nice replacement for hte lone wolf

[jaunty dawn]

i imagine thats killing wolf squads though possibly

[past sphinx]

the smooth legs without the ball knees is also very nice

just a big fan of this kit

[jaunty dawn]

yeah the mk6 esque

i think there were rumours that were accurate about this release and predicted wolf scouts and characters iirc

for further models

[thin ibex]

wolf scouts being more unique and an update would be great

been wanting it for forever

[jaunty dawn]

theyll be the first like actual unique phobos unit too presumably

unless

they stick with carapace I suppose

interested to see where theyre gonna go with the codex chapter releases tbh

[pastel rampart]

Seems fitting that the space wolves would get helmets that look like pup hoods.

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah. Yeah

[pastel rampart]

It's funny, I didn't have much of an interest in space wolves but this relaunch is hitting some nice points for me visually.

Felt like the firstborn plastics were trying a little too hard and stuffing too much detail into things, if that makes sense.

[past sphinx]

ill admit a redemptor version of this fucker would be radical

[pastel rampart]

Oh definitely.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/k8gkpz/space_wolves_redemptor_dreadnought/

[past sphinx]

boy those blood angels really got fucked over

im eatin good

[pastel rampart]

I think the BA release is Fine™️ because they're not really that different visually from normal SMs.

DC and SG being an exception of course.

[thin ibex]

id be... surprised if they gave us a redemptor that also has a 4++

[dense sedge]

I’ve seen theorizing that drukhari may be folded in with aeldari next edition and I hope that’s not the case

[pastel rampart]

Anything you hear about 11th is going to be bullshit.

[past sphinx]

id somewhat disagree

not by like a lot

but they do have their own thing cookin

[pastel rampart]

They do, but not to the degree SW have, y'know?

[past sphinx]

true true

[pastel rampart]

Or heck even BT.

[thin ibex]

if they port the venerable dread to the trio of existing primaris, i think the sw would be a riff on the brutalis; but the shield likely wont translate to a invuln

but maybe a special rule

like reduce ap by 1 or something

[pastel rampart]

Special rule: SHIELD BASH.

[past sphinx]

templar have the boon of sickass Blanche artwork

[thin ibex]

i dont know what shield bash would do but it sounds heckin sick

[pastel rampart]

Shield bash could do some sort of stun, or flat-out launch a fucker a few inches away.

https://tenor.com/view/shield-bash-wotmud-knight-funny-gif-25223058

[thin ibex]

Battleshock interaction? Maybe contact mw+if anything dies, Battleshock test

[jaunty dawn]

Redemptors have -1 damage right

I think 4++ and melee only isnt that extreme

Idk

[jaunty dawn]

Theyd probably just overprice it like mad

[thin ibex]

I think them staying stingy on invulnerables is a good thing tbh, especially with big killy vehicles

Ap reduction, damage reduction, that kind of thing could be on the table

Though also could do a "reflect damage on good saves" thing too

[jaunty dawn]

I mean I think those can easily be much better than an invuln is my thing I think

More interactive though definitely

[thin ibex]

They can be better but also less coinflippy and more consistent

[past sphinx]

the real question on the table

what will be done with Bjorn the fellhanded

[thin ibex]

8th and 9th were plagued with "everything has a 4++. If it doesn't its dead"

10th really pulled the reigns on over saturation of invulnerables and I think it was a good thing

[paper bluff]

That would be a fun ability for the contemptor Galatus to have IMO

[upper bluff]

What justification do they even have? Like if it's just the lack of news then I guess that means they're cutting votann too

[jaunty dawn]

9th was also plagued by oh no all space marines have -1 ap and are impossible to kill in cover haha

But yeah for sure

Cutting drukhari would be weird

Like harlequins are from the ‘everyone gets a codex!’ Era

In terms of being a standalone

Tyranids got like nothing for a billion years

But also I cant blame ppl for being jumpy atm

[upper bluff]

Yeah fair. Honestly if they're cutting anything I still think it's grey knights. Literally just an upgrade sprue for their silliest unit

[floral herald]

Yeah I’d say it is just silly except it seems like daemons are actually getting folded into cult CSM

[upper bluff]

They were confirmed to be getting a 10th edition codex at least

And I can understand why people would be upset at no daemon codex in 11th but I still think folding them into the traitor legions is the right move

[jaunty dawn]

The daemon change is a big step for sure

Itll be interesting to see if going forward stuff like daemon soup is gonna be supported. I think from the deathwatch debacle theres definitely an element where the backlash works

[upper bluff]

Yeah, I hope that if they do cut the daemon codex in 11th they make it so generic CSM can field daemons without allies

[jaunty dawn]

I think you must have misread something btw, there wont be a daemon codex this edition either

Theyre just still playable with their like 6 detachments

And got a datasheet update

[upper bluff]

Oh

Yeah I did miss the word no