Warhammer and Such

[thin ibex]

Don't we have a mega melta on that one baneblade variant?

[floral herald]

Doomhammer is kind of like that

Fan conversion but it rips - they called it the Doomblade

[runic swallow]

One has a volcano cannon

[mental birch]

Played a really interesting game against aeldar today

[thin ibex]

I was thinking about the Doomhammer, with its magma cannon

[mild glen]

A reminder to me to play secondaries, I guess.
(Also, they didn't score Bring It Down against Ret Cadre in turn 5? Wild.)

[mental birch]

They had 1 model left turn 5

Hahhaha

Basically I won by managing to force this game into being an attrition game

[sour sequoia]

Baby’s first tourney in 2hrs wish me luck

I guess not first but the first lucid one, did one over the summer on 90 minutes of sleep because I was working graveyard shift at an airport middle of the big CrowdStrike outage

Runnin this, ditched the baby teslas unit for flayed ones so we got double infiltrator to seize no mans land objectives round 1 and step up on people as needed

[finite compass]

The Stormlord is probably my favorite. Both because Dakka and because superheavy troop transport

[pulsar cairn]

Lads

[tardy vault]

that is probably the best Baneblade I've seen

holy shit

[finite compass]

There's a bunch more images of it

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/tag/24906-Orkmower.html

[runic swallow]

Oh yeah it’s silly

[jaunty dawn]

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Turreted stormlord 😋

[past sphinx]

the turret ring could cut whales in half

[floral herald]

This is such a funny ammo feed

[sour sequoia]

Round one Grey Knights lost by 10–just could not keep up on Ritual control zones when he’s landing more and more deep strikers

Round two Guard car park, mechanized regiment—real close, had a bad dice round and he took the lead after killing szeras and nightbringer

Round Three AdMech, Halocreed—he turn one ran shitloads of rust stalkers and an Assault brick of the punchbots. But he ran them into wraiths and a nightbringer got to fight round 1 and just started picking up a tank a turn

I’ve never been happier in my life than a round 1 nightbringer charge

Admittedly this is a round later and like 300pts killed into the rampage

[thin ibex]

I know punch bots are good, but no one face rolls into a nightbringer

There isn't a unit in the game that isn't threatened by a nightbringers scythe

[sour sequoia]

Game 2 vs guard was playing a guy who has only played into someone with extremely specific tastes in necrons in our store—I know it because we trade strats and have essentially opposite model pools, all destroyers and ophidians and triarch stalkers

He had never seen Nightbringer in the flesh.

Straight up round 3, “where did my rogal dorn go—where did my other rogal dorn go”

[thin ibex]

The real trick is feeding sacrifices to it to keep it happy and hopefully keep your key anchor models for a few more turns

Cause you probably can't kill it efficiently

[sour sequoia]

I think Guard currently can—Kasrkin jumping out the transports, or Bridgehead’s Aquilon jumps will wreck em

[dense sedge]

what differentiates them all?

[floral herald]

There’s so many haha

[sour sequoia]

Its basically primary gun/secondary gun innit

There’s a legit name scheme but just so many permutations I cannot track it

[floral herald]

• Baneblade: primary general purpose one. Armed with the Baneblade cannon
• Banehammer: assault gun transport with a tremor cannon. “Sawn-off Banesword”
• Banesword. Assault gun variant with Quake Cannon. Siege tank.
• Doomhammer: sawn-off Shadowsword tank hunter
• Hellhammer: sawn-off baneblade. Shoots nuclear shells or something
• Stormblade: Plasma Blastgun assault gun
• Shadowsword: Volcano Cannon anti titan sniper assault gun
• Stormsword: assault gun variant with a super siege cannon
• Stormhammer: hostile environment baneblade. Has a weird unique double battle cannon casemate
• Stormlord: Vulcan Mega Bolter assault gun troop transport variant
• Stormsabre: power plant and transmission torture up armored variant of the Shadowsword

I think the Hellhammer is basically a superheavy leman russ eradicator

[brittle salmon]

It's main gun + transport capacity or no basically

[thin ibex]

stormblade is budget shadowsword

plasma cannon was build in by ryza i think because the shadowsword just couldnt be made by them or something

[junior summit]

the shadowsword volcano cannon is rarer than most so if the gun's wrecked but the chassis is recoverable people still what they can in there

the doomhammer is similar where they've replaced it with a big ol gun

the stormsabre isn't canon though iirc

[dense sedge]

thanks

[mental birch]

Cheap 20 man blobs stand in front

And dance annoyingly

😉

[pulsar cairn]

Khorne prefers melee over ranged or is that just the berserkers preference?

[pale narwhal]

Generally khorne sees melee as better but there are known exceptions and as long as the blood flows he’s not picky on how

[pulsar cairn]

I see

[mild glen]

Khorne prefers getting up close and personal with the slaughter. All the better to revel in the blood you're spilling.
But hey, twenty dollars blood is twenty dollars blood.

[dense sedge]

Spearhead tourney today

[tired cairn]

Apparently the Ynnari detachment rule that lets you move a unit off-turn if a different unit of yours dies is good enough that people use worse invulnerable saves or command re-roll successful saves to make it happen

[sour sequoia]

The tourney I talked about playing at yesterday, a man got tabled and won a round later with a 25pt lead because of Yncarne and two swooping hawks using this

It was one of the most galaxy brain things I have ever seen in wargaming the skill ceiling for eldar is in orbit now

[tired cairn]

Yeah, the "Art of War" people feel like it will do really well with the top players but not have an amazing average/many players because both the skill ceiling and skill floor is incredibly high

[sour sequoia]

I think there’s a few things that aren’t as skill intensive, Banshees are pretty much action heroes now, Dragons + Fuegan are goofy as hell, Reapers pick up whatever you look at

But its simply a really fast+fragile army that’ll always take several reps to learn

There was another guy who wanted to spam shining spears and the bikes yesterday and he was just in shambles all three rounds

[dense sedge]

Win against cities

[floral herald]

Emperors children pre orders this week

[past sphinx]

man i want some of thoes noise marines

fuck if i know if their good but they have a solid vibe

[sour sequoia]

really has me considering a new army

[thin ibex]

If EC is a speed army I feel like they're just gonna be good by default

I find that most speed armies are very good

[rocky shale]

They're probably gonna be fast but only fast for marines

Other than the slannesh daemons

[brittle salmon]

Yeah I think EC are gonna be a fast engaging army, but they're not gonna have moment tricks like Aeldari do

At least not in any significant amount

That's Legion of Excess's job

[pulsar cairn]

i was wondering

did the emperor need the primarchs to take over the galaxy?

like he didnt need to take over the galaxy to begin with but couldnt he make astartes without primarchs?

avoiding then fucking around with chaos

[solemn gull]

Yeah the astartes were made with the scraps from the primarch project

But tbh even without primarchs the fall to chaos was guaranteed

[raw vessel]

Without access to their geneseed, the legions could not grow as fast, lacked organization, and were more suseptible to gene flaws.

[solemn gull]

I mean Tbf it was only the ones that still had bad gene flaws after that were suffering from this

[paper bluff]

Depends of who you ask

need perhaps not. But then a 100 year plan becomes a 700 year plan

A galaxy conquest without the military force of tens of thousands of super human soldiers maybe makes diplomacy with willing humans more likes

Then it's mostly imperial guard with astartes leaders or maybe tactical squads with astartes in human forces

And it sure seemed like the emp was going to have a go at conquering without primarchs

But maybe he could have just pushed the orks, fortified a line and then found workarounds, plus with the webway project, maybe he gets that done then conquers using that

[solemn gull]

The primarchs are only so good because the fiction’s tone demands to have a tale about demigods clashing to make the Horus heresy feel like a Greek Myth. I think they wouldn’t have mattered too much if that wasn’t the case if what they can do is replicable by having 20 marines do the same thing.

[pulsar cairn]

rule of cool and all that huh?

[pulsar cairn]

having the webway would have for sure been something

[thin ibex]

I wonder if the emperor was aware of the necron. Iirc malcador and sang were

[pastel rampart]

Definitely, if the Dragon of Mars is any indication.

[thin ibex]

would have thought hed be keen to acquire the tech the necron use to to utilize the webway

[upper canopy]

Would be funny if he didn't

[thin ibex]

Roboute: And the necrons are awakening all across the galaxy
Big E in the chair: The who?

[pastel rampart]

There's a lot of evidence pointing to Emps throwing the Void Dragon onto Mars in order to jump-start the Mechanicus.

The dragon's presence there kind of seeps into the people living there and filling their dreams with knowledge.

[pulsar cairn]

is that also why they went full on religious towards tech or is that unrelated?

[pastel rampart]

Mostly unrelated I think.

[soft willow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1ix2xm7/the_akria_slide/

[thin ibex]

Big guns never tire

When indirect fire bad, bring more

[paper bluff]

I'd bet yes. Would the emperor work with the silent king is an interesting thought

With malcador being a sigilite he knew alot of stuff

[thin ibex]

Wasn't sure if I should try to get 18 mortars into the list too

[paper bluff]

Follow up. Malcador was the guy that read all the books everywhere and knew what to do. I am convinced though that the emperor was a huge nerd and actually had no social skills

Like if it wasn't for his overwhelmingness aura I get he would be cringe

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kizEo_ctq8

[pulsar cairn]

Spiky

[pastel rampart]

I love the old style of GW terrain. It's all hand-crafted and done with literal junk and creativity.

I cannot recommend enough Nigel Stillman's How to Make Wargames Terrain from the 90s. It's out of print but the PDF is easy to find and they printed a lot of them so copies aren't expensive to get.

[past sphinx]

god ive got an idea for EC

hotpink zenithar and a fuchsia underspray

[past sphinx]

i wonder now with all the cults having their own books if stocl CSM will have a few weirder dudes in it

smaller characters

[uneven ember]

Ahhhh, that's fun

[past sphinx]

like a new luft huron!

[uneven ember]

he deserves it

give him a refresh

[thin ibex]

Draw match between Retaliation Cadre and Vashtor's Detachment that I forget the name of

[pale narwhal]

soulforged warpack?

[brittle salmon]

that'd be the one, yeah

[jaunty dawn]

This internal competition bs is so awful

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s annoying for there to be so few datasheets

[thin ibex]

Unfortunately my list had 2 star scythe suit units and they are very bad against maulerfiends, defilers, and forgefiends

[thin ibex]

Seems like they have all that they need, really? Don't they have more than the WE and the Votann?

Heck unlike WE, they have Daemons on their list

[floral herald]

More than LoV, fewer than WE

(By 1 admittedly vs WE)

[thin ibex]

Oh, further commentary on my game, I was very sad for my riptides to effectively do nothing and die in one round. I kind of expected them to live much longer, but forgefiend plasma and defiler cannons just did them in easily

[jaunty dawn]

I mean if they don't even match world eaters with daemons, that's pretty bad

plus it seems like rather than making a cool daemonkin integrated list, it's just ynnari

so you can't even use like, almost any daemon character, several of them are probably gonna be gone from 40k entirely

and they don't get forgefiends for whatever reason

only having as much as world eaters also sucks given like, that's not a very well received roster either lol

they don't even get helbrutes when sonic dreads were one of the existing emperor's children units

[thin ibex]

That makes sense, I just saw that they have all the components to function in every phase, but not a lot of unique units

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s these weird omissions which bugs me

Why no Forgefiends or Vindicators or Helbrutes or Possessed or

They have a functional roster but it’s weird

[jaunty dawn]

or cultistss

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmperorsChildren/s/3ELWDOvnk3

This is a banger though

Oh I hadn’t seen this

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jqtxutix/perfect-your-excessive-assaults-with-new-emperors-children-detachment/

I do like the rules

[jaunty dawn]

the restrictions on the army rule are interesting

[upper bluff]

Yeah it's a very fun idea. Just having all your units juggle different units

[pastel rampart]

I'm betting the logic for that is "we don't sell the sonic dread anymore and don't have an upgrade kit for the helbrute."

[jaunty dawn]

just give them the helbrute and give it a sonic themed special rule

[pastel rampart]

That would be effort 🙃

[jaunty dawn]

like the battleshock thing that screamer killers get

bleh

[pastel rampart]

I do agree with you and if I still played 40k and someone wanted to include one I'd just...let them lmao

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

same

[junior robin]

nothing like coming home after a crappy day at work to some 40k disappointment

at least we got a emperors barbs primaris lieutenant to look forward to.

[floral herald]

It’s a mixed bag the rules look sick

I really like the pledge detachment

I just don’t get why a bunch of pre-existing models aren’t allowed

[bright dove]

Because we must suffer.

[soft willow]

Capitalism.

[tired cairn]

They might have the replacements for those models in the work? But yeah, it sucks

(They have their own version of possessed right?)

[floral herald]

They do yeah

[soft willow]

Gotta have new models to sell you in the future.

[jaunty dawn]

I mean people want the models i feel

like

if they had the models it wouldn't be an issue

[soft willow]

I suspect the rules folks are running thinner than GW lets on and are doing smaller codexes as a result.

[jaunty dawn]

this is about, what, not selling helbrutes to emperor's children players because then they have to decide whether that means csm or ec are making money?

I don't disagree that rules team are super overworked though

[floral herald]

That possibility doesn’t make a ton of sense to me because maulerfiends are EC and forgefiends are not and they’re from the same box

But there could be many factors

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

the botfiends is just

a mystery

[tired cairn]

GW can be inscrutable, but if they have a vision for all the alternative version of the models, they might have decided its better to not have units in the roster now as opposed to removing them in the future? (This is perhaps, overly fair)

[jaunty dawn]

I mean they might have decided that for sure

I don't think it was a sensible decision though

[paper bluff]

Maybe the bring back the sonic dreadnought

[jaunty dawn]

not launching the faction with just infantry would've been good yeah

especially when like

[pastel rampart]

They also probably figure they can always just release rules for units later and just push out the basics first. Which sucks but, y'know, makes a kind of sense.

[floral herald]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

it really depends on what you consider the basics really

[pastel rampart]

...also no bikes, I noticed.

[jaunty dawn]

I think it just sucks that this is the fourth legion launch

and it doesn't feel like they've learned. any lessons

[soft willow]

No bikes for now, but that also means that Doomrider could show up later.

Gotta go for the silver lining.

[pastel rampart]

God I wish

[jaunty dawn]

I'm not sure if gw even believes in bikes anymore

unless they hover

[desert jay]

Maulerfiend but not forgefiend, rhino but not pred or vind...

[jaunty dawn]

idk. things come in trends

[floral herald]

Some of this seems like a concerted effort to avoid giving EC points efficient long range gun platforms

[jaunty dawn]

to make short ranged noise marines more competetive?

maybe

[paper bluff]

The custodes bikes are...... okay now. On the line of usable but venatarii are better still

[floral herald]

And also just as an army shaping thing

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like just not bringing fiends would make more sense in that case though

[paper bluff]

What the EC anti-tank aside from fists i wonder

[desert jay]

Double (triple?) RIP to the Sonic Dread

[pastel rampart]

Maulerfiend has whips, ergo, it belongs in EC.

[tired cairn]

Though, you can just make them cost more points? But yeah that makes sense

[floral herald]

TBF the sonic dread could easy be a mid range gun platform like noise marines

[tired cairn]

I think it would be neat to have them explain this explicitly, but if they are overworked they probably don't have time

[jaunty dawn]

It would but also gw doesn't do transparency like at all

[floral herald]

I’d prefer that personally yeah, I’m just trying to get into the heads for the dataslate choosers haha

[jaunty dawn]

they actively cover up motives for things if anything

[paper bluff]

in the arms of the angels......

[tired cairn]

Did they use to be more transparent and then got burnt? It seems weird but I guess is kind of normal?

[floral herald]

Kindaaa

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think so really

[floral herald]

GW is very inscrutable now and at least partially this is because of designer hatedoms back in 4th-6th ed

[jaunty dawn]

they did used to actually tell you who worked for them and made things but not like

I don't think they've ever talked about why they make changes etc

even balance dataslates are pretty vague

[paper bluff]

I'm sorry Matt ward

[floral herald]

Yeah they’ve never really explained choices like that

[soft willow]

And some folks peeling off to do personal projects and taking folks with them.

[jaunty dawn]

I think they have been burnt by not being able to fulfill deadlines

[floral herald]

He might have been the highest profile one but not just him yeah

[jaunty dawn]

some times

like ppl get really mad when a roadmap is late lol

so this years ones were practically non existent

[desert jay]

Okay reading the detachment article, is it just me or does the Heightened Jealousy strat not work?

[floral herald]

The strat

[desert jay]

Oh I missed a word, NVM

It buffs all the other characters (and their led units) that phase

[thin ibex]

seems decent for 1 cp

[desert jay]

Yeah I feel like you always wanna use it if you get a kill early in a phase

[glad spear]

New Phil Kelly book

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fr3vfsdp/uncover-the-hidden-history-of-commander-farsight-in-a-new-black-library-novel/

Set between his exile and his return during the second agrellan campaign

[thin ibex]

oh shold be fun

i liked the farsight books

[pastel rampart]

https://goblinhobbies.com/ Reusable stamp instead of transfers.

[glad spear]

Im like somewhere in the middle with Phil Kelly

Like his books were enjoyable, but some of the narrative or retcon related stuff is kinda iffy for me

[soft willow]

These are wargaming themed nail stamping plates.

[pastel rampart]

Yup!

[floral herald]

Oh these look nice

[pastel rampart]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DFYCMQ7G Looking into it now and uh, yeah this'd be great on cloth what the hell

[floral herald]

I’m keeping this in mind haha

If I can find some with jagged patterns they’d be great for chaos cult clothes

[pastel rampart]

https://www.amazon.com/SILPECWEE-Stamping-Animals-Manicure-Templates/dp/B07QJ85YF8/ Oh there's tons of patterns.

This just opened up a whole new world for me haha

[floral herald]

Yeah same honestly

[pastel rampart]

Using these for ork checkerboard patterns is gonna make things so much easier

https://www.amazon.com/PH-PandaHall-Stamping-Stencils-Stainless/dp/B0CZ3SX44X/

[floral herald]

I wonder how well these would work for Harlequin checkers

[pastel rampart]

Probably very well, since you can easily roll the stamper around--it's got a silicon tip so it'll mold easily to the surface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQrhZTG-gCE

http://puu.sh/KoTFT/5ed3f2a4c0.jpg

[tardy vault]

fuck now I want to paint an army with a fuck ton of cloaks

[thin ibex]

How do the stamps work? You put paint on em?

[pastel rampart]

https://www.amazon.com/Whaline-Stamping-Various-Thanksgiving-Manicure/dp/B0CZL6HR9P/ May I suggest THIS for a pattern then

[thin ibex]

Cause a stamp might be a great way for me to do tau squad markings

[pastel rampart]

Goes over it in the video but basically:

• Apply nail polish-ish paint on it
• Wipe away excess
• Gently roll the stamp onto it
• Apply to model

It says they use a "specially formulated type of nail polish paint" but dollars to donuts you could probably just use normal nail polish.

[floral herald]

Relatively thick acrylics are probably fine as well

[soft willow]

Normal nail polish can work but doesn't usually have the opacity needed to pop a pattern on in one coat.

I suspect acrylics can work but you want to get your plate really fucking clean after.

I'm curious what these wargaming ones are selling.

[thin ibex]

Rules question. If 3 units are in a fight, say Unit A and B fighting Unit 1, and Unit A kills enough units that Unit B is out of engagement and pile in range of Unit 1, Unit B can't fight anymore right?

[pastel rampart]

They're not up for sale yet but I hope they're not like, double the price of other plates.

[soft willow]

Correct, they would no longer be eligible to fight.

[soft willow]

If they aren't too expensive there's a non zero chance I paint my models with them, then do my nails to match with the same plate.

[pastel rampart]

lmao yeah, same

I got a good chunk of a retro 2e Blood Angel army in boxes and this would save so much time

I see custom nail plates being like $30 which y'know, ain't bad all things considered. But a 3pk of nail ones is like...$7.

So if it's somewhere in the range of $10-15 I consider that a good price point.

[mental birch]

Every time

I play against eldar I'm reminded of this

[thin ibex]

Follow up, if, in a single fight, a unit fighting my unit kills enough that by end of sequence I'm out of engagement (after resolving all attacks) am I obligated to pile back in to fight back or am I no longer eligible to fight?

[mental birch]

https://tenor.com/view/he-does-exactly-what-i-do-but-better-suicide-squad-james-gunn-peacemaker-bloodsport-gif-26579454

T'au vs Eldar

Hahahahha

[floral herald]

Ludonarrative consonance

It’s not arrogance if you really are better

[mental birch]

😦

Kinda more about Eldar playing a very similar high skill floor skill ceiling game with no hoop jumping

That t'au have to do

[thin ibex]

Background for this question, we werent sure during our game last night and decided that i was obligated to do so

[pulsar cairn]

Are those people's faces or just shaped like people?

[paper bluff]

Could be either with chaos!

[pulsar cairn]

True

[mental birch]

Did that unit charge?

The unit you want to select

[thin ibex]

on my side? no, they were the charged party

[mental birch]

Then no longer eligible

🙂

[thin ibex]

ok thank you! we ruled it wrong in that case

[mental birch]

You need at least one 2 things to be true if you wanna fight to be true

The unit either must have charged

[thin ibex]

so i can do that strategically, pull deaed units from the front, if i want to pull out of the fight, or if i want to stay in, pull from the back

[mental birch]

Or must be in combat

[mental birch]

Yes but it rarely works out because

3" consolidate afre

Agrer

After

[thin ibex]

from my enemy right?\

[mental birch]

Yes your enemy gets 3" pile in and 3" consolisate

So they can just tag you again

[sour sequoia]

I’ve swung it with like wraiths and skorpekhs getting clapped, rarely anything smaller

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KoTTz/512b018dad.jpg

Also just noticed the plate has tiny writing

[jaunty dawn]

I think some of the stuff has potential

Like the camo too

Not sure how well the stamper deals with stuff like folds though

[pastel rampart]

That I'd like to see. I suspect it'll work out "okay-ish" since the silicon end is a bit squishy.

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

Possibly

[pastel rampart]

Which I mean if it gets you like 3/4ths of the way there and the rest with a brush that's good enough for most people.

[pulsar cairn]

imperium is weird

[rocky harness]

Wish I could find it, but there is a video of someone testing g 40K aircraft in a wind tunnel, and Imperial designs either had almost no aerodynamic qualities, or where actually negative on them.

[floral herald]

Hell yeah

[jaunty dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1074664898392502273/1344022216328609823/image.png?ex=67bf65bb&is=67be143b&hm=7a5b7741bd175dadc1b74c33cdf07559a226fc87bbd06029a13ea0cdb1d67f5c&

Got this from a video

https://www.youtube.com/goobertownhobbies

Not very much about the stamps tbh

Oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3MBIANs68M&t=1207s

This one

Seems good for curved surface as one would expect. Some pretty bad distortion visible if you print flat

[tired cairn]

I wonder if GW would sell more Harlequin models if they had a simpler paint scheme as the default art

[jaunty dawn]

I kinda get that marketing requires one to claim your new thing will kill old thing but doesnt feel like theres actually much overlap with what this is good for and what decals are good for

[floral herald]

Everyone I know who buys harlequins is like this https://preview.redd.it/average-sekiro-enjoyer-v0-iqni9inyhpjd1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e63e55fdebd31eb36d9738f10c815f2fa1a45e4e

So idk

[jaunty dawn]

agreed

[pastel rampart]

https://moyoulondon.com/products/trend-hunter-21 https://maniology.com/products/incognito-m495-nail-stamping-plate For anyone looking for camo/digital camo: viola

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eku-eku-gif-7375358434148955708

I gotta try this

[pastel rampart]

Saaaaame

[floral herald]

Digicam is HORRIBLE to paint

[tired cairn]

You want to be careful of doing actual camo on a model because you still want to be able to easily see it in play

[pastel rampart]

If I can't see it neither can my opponent.

[floral herald]

I’m experimenting with camo ultramarines and I think I’ve got a pretty good workaround

Damn I gotta buy this and try it out now

[tired cairn]

What's the workaround 👀

[floral herald]

They’re Phobos so there’s a bunch of shit strapped to them I leave in a warm contrasting brown leather

And as a matter of chapter pride I’m putting 0 camo on the left shoulder pad where the chapter symbol goes

[tired cairn]

Tacticool marines

[past sphinx]

I have learned mark 7 armor was on terra during the siege which gives me the ability to continue to cope for true scale mark 7

[finite compass]

The irony of miniature painting is everything looks much better if you do a paint scheme that gives the impression of camouflage rather than realistic camouflage

Try and do everything at a realistic size, for instance, on a mini and it just looks muddled

[solemn gull]

I try to make my camouflage so good my opponent forgets the model is there

[finite compass]

Blow it up so you can easily see the individual elements and it looks cool

[floral herald]

Yeah my struggle has been finding a good scale for the camouflage elements and making them not look “badly painted blobby”

[uneven ember]

It's called having an aesthetic

but no it's actually really funny that ork planes are, almost certainly, more practical than IoM planes

motorcycle pipes and random spiky metal bits and all

[jagged dawn]

on the subject of camouflage

[thin ibex]

i dont seem to share a lot of the hate for phil kelly

[past sphinx]

his farsight book was alright

its just

like all of damocles gulf

also war of secrets

[sonic hare]

I hate him cus someone else told me too

[floral herald]

EC codex leaks

Look at this guy's face lmfao

[brittle salmon]

unhappy :(

[soft willow]

I mean is he really that much worse off than a servo skull?

[floral herald]

maybe he's having a good time

he might be stoked it's just hard to tell with that much facial musculature

[dense sedge]

Had they’re finally mixing demons and aligned space marines

[floral herald]

Yeah I'm excited for that

[brittle salmon]

yup

[thin ibex]

This is not a list that would work I think, too few ways to score, but it is funny

[pale narwhal]

There apparently are less datasheets in the EC codex than the WE currently have total. This includes the allied daemons.

Which is a little unfortunate, they seem to have not learnt from past mistakes of legion releases

[brittle salmon]

Only by 1, at least

[brittle salmon]

What I would consider here is cutting the Baneblade, as sad as it is - the Codex cut the Squadron keyword from the Guard superheavy lineup, so you can't give them orders and they don't benefit from a lot of the Hammer stratagems

Otherwise, I'd take a specialised superheavy that really kills stuff - a Shadowsword, maybe

40 points less, so you can bump that Russ commander to a Rogal Dorn

[thin ibex]

True, I figured the sh would have a tech priest baby sitter and just be a stick in the mud while the tanks around it got orders and pushed their lanes

Cause it still gets the 4+ all the time as long as the priest doesn't die

This is a more "flavory" armored list, the wyvern would be swapped if I was trying to make it really work

[strong owl]

been working on an assault marine

[thin ibex]

Yall think Catachan, death korp, or Cadians make the best mechanized infantry?

As stand ins rules wise for Armageddon troops?

[strong owl]

catachans are best in chimeras because first off, double flamers + double heavy flamer chimera is an awesome overwatch threat, and second because they give the chimera scout

but honestly as it stands atm unless you have characters you want in the unit, death korps are best

you get guys back, you get attack bonuses, you have access to sniper rifles, sergeants can get plasma pistols and power swords, you have a medic

they are just The Best

[pulsar cairn]

does the black legion use demons as battle units?

if so...are there chaos undivided demons?

or do they just go and ask their resident tzeench lad for example to summon in some pink horrors?

[jaunty dawn]

Undivided daemons is something that like

Goes back and forth on

[hard whale]

there used to be Furies, which were an example of undivided daemons. But they haven't had rules in a bit

I'm pretty sure Black Legion sorcerers can summon a range of daemons

[pulsar cairn]

so it's a yes for in lore but nothing like that in the tabletop then

[jaunty dawn]

More so depends on source for lore

[hard whale]

IMO if one source doesn't mention Undivided Daemons and another does that just tells me that the knowledge isn't widespread in-universe

[jaunty dawn]

Its more that there are sources that actively state there arent any (other than belakor) is the thing, im pretty sure

Personally im all for it

And non chaos daemons

[hard whale]

huh, I take it back then. Must be another thing that GW writers disagree with each other on

[jaunty dawn]

Yup 🙃

[pulsar cairn]

I see

[thin ibex]

did a mechanized list, almost wonder if i should have had a mortar team or a basilisk

oh wait, i have more chimera than that

[floral herald]

in this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any false emperor’s blessing. But because I am enlightened by the dark prince.

[pulsar cairn]

Is the Dark prince slaneesh?

[solemn gull]

yes

[tired cairn]

Why only a prince? 🤔

[floral herald]

Cause The Dark King wouldn’t exist for another thousand years or so in the materium of course

[soft willow]

Plus a king has responsibilities a prince can just fuck around

[thin ibex]

its hard to make a tanith theme list at 2k

just imagine that they're all tanith units and not krieg or catachan or whatever

[past sphinx]

I gotta pack up 10 years of model collecting and boy, it aint pretty

[sour sequoia]

Do what I did

Have your house burn down

For real tho even moving the collection I built in the last year and a half or so?? Bleugh

[floral herald]

https://bsky.app/profile/jetblackraider.itch.io/post/3lj42r2cfk22m

JBR (@jetblackraider.itch.io)

Me when my Tau roommate gets up at 4am and vacuums

Imperial Dating System (@imperialdating.bsky.social)
The Imperial Date is: 0 157 025.M3

++ THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: The more one learns of the alien, the more one will come to loath it. ++

By the old Holy Terran dates (UTC) it is 'Wednesday'

Bluesky · Feb 26, 2025, 6:59 PM

[desert jay]

Huh, the 157 part in that increments each day?

Then what the fuck are numbers over 400 doing?

[finite compass]

There are a fair number in the RPGs at least

[desert jay]

Oh wait no increments every ~8 hours, NVM

[floral herald]

Yeah year increment is approx every 8 hours

[thin ibex]

This is another silly list that I don't think actually works

But there would be nowhere to hide

[rocky shale]

It would be really annoying against low wound count armies but your durability is pretty awful and your damage isnt great because it's all indirect.

[thin ibex]

yeah its absolutely a "how much indirect can i stuff" rather than a serious attempt to build a workable list

[rocky shale]

You could probably clown on aledari players with this unless they just stuffed everything possible into reserves.

[uneven ember]

The first number is the check digit, which measures how closely it can be cross-referenced with the date on Holy Terra.
Next three are 1/1000 increments of one year
Next three are years
Last digit is millennium

[thin ibex]

making a catachan theme list, think it could work/whats it need to have some play? Note, legends OK, and hard focus on the catachan them.

[deft crest]

Can fit, the entire Boarding action, dice, 4 teams cards and my core ops, my necrons, equipment and tokens for 2 teams

[thin ibex]

current players in the tiny little league it'll be played in (by a newbie, they love catachans), has a armor focused player, a daemons players, 2 tau players who have horde and mecha lists, and a space wolves player

[deft crest]

The purchase was worth the box alone

[sour sequoia]

I should put some patches on my case…

There’s so much real estate on a PACK 1520

[paper bluff]

Just a little guy in the middle

[wintry mist]

been wanting to do a 40k ttrpg campaign where the players are like, gangers in a hive city doing ganger things

uncertain which of the 40k ttrpgs would be good for it

[floral herald]

Hmm

Probably black crusade or hacked DH1e

[wintry mist]

black crusade is very high powered iirc

and also really in on the whole ruinous powers shtick

why dh1e and not dh2e?

I've actually only ever played dh2e so

[floral herald]

Mostly cause DH1e has Real Money

Black Crusade also just has the best iteration of the rules and gear system (though DH2e essentially copies it)

[floral herald]

DH2e basically copies Profit Factor but with a new name and it’s awkward for gangs

[wintry mist]

real money...

my thoughts are yeah- not necessarily gangers but like...

edgerunners of the grimdark future (not the dark future)

freelance mercenary in the underhive (u will die very rapidly)

[hard whale]

how about Cy_Borg?

[wintry mist]

I could hack a money system into dh2e tbh

It has weapon rarities and stuff, which could actually be used sort of like how Cyberpunk RED does its cost system

a rare weapon is 1000 eurobucks thrones

my problem is the backgrounds for 2e don't quite work

though I could maybe just restrict players to backgrounds that do work

adeptus arbites, heretek, guardsman...

was thinking of also setting it on my homebrew chapter's homeworld, which is a hive city

which would be interesting as they'd basically play the role of maxtac

[tepid stratus]

40k maxtac is a wild idea in a universe with scrap code, biomechanical viruses like the obliterator virus and literal tech daemons floating around

[wintry mist]

moreso a "make too much noise and start summoning daemons and you will get a visit from the space marines from the fortress monastery that rests at the top of the hive city"

but also yeah

[tepid stratus]

Damn, here I was hoping for possessed tech adepts that touched the forbidden cogitator needing to be put down. Imagine the courtroom drama between the overseeing magos and the arbites commissioner that called the strike

[wintry mist]

oh yeah no for sure

that too

if there's one positive about living in a hive city: it's walkable!

(you live where you work, and you eat paste that is dispensed into your bunkroom)

I know one of my potential players would eat the opportunity to play a heretek the fuck up

[floral herald]

Relevant

[wintry mist]

LMFAO

[solemn gull]

I think it’s funnier if he didn’t even do anything to cause that. He’s just like a Colin robins energy vampire who loves being a bureaucrat.

[paper bluff]

Has there been a you play as chaos ttrpg for 40k?

[floral herald]

Black Crusade

[paper bluff]

Only space marines or cultists too?

[wintry mist]

cultists and marines

two different power levels

[paper bluff]

And could you become a demon prince?

[wintry mist]

dont remember if that was on offer

[floral herald]

That’s the goal

But it’s not a thing in play it’s a win condition

[wintry mist]

yeee

[wintry mist]

this might be the best way to do it

you need to roll influence to even be able to buy anything above common, and still gotta spend tha money

designing lifestyle rules for 40k would go outrageous tbh

[verbal tangle]

Absolutely delighted to be able to share some fresh homebrew for all you Dark Heresy and Only War players.
The Russfibel is 32 pages of sweet, sweet vehicle combat overhaul, designed to make vehicle combat varied, engaging and dramatically less tedious than it is in the core books. Enjoy!
https://konigstein.itch.io/russfibel

(also I formatted the entire thing to match the original user manual for the Tiger tank because why not?)

[wintry mist]

Oooooo exciting

And on topic!

Thank you very much

[verbal tangle]

Thank you!

[verbal tangle]

I would recommend Black Crusade with some of Austere Patio's homebrew, they've done some really stellar work.
https://theblackcrusade.com

[past sphinx]

now THAT

is some scrungo

[floral herald]

Man they’re just polishing space marine character designs to perfection over in 30k haha

[solemn gull]

Do you have aircrafts?

[verbal tangle]

No, though Rogue Trader does, and I'm planning an aeronautics-themed addition to one of my other books later this year.

[solemn gull]

Make sure to post it here when you get that done. I was really trying last year to make an only war aeronatica campaign.

[past sphinx]

it almost makes we want to properly read through the heresy

[solemn gull]

I mean the main story is only like 6 books if you want to any% it. But there will be a lot of instances where the book starts hyper-fixating on some dude and you just go “wait who is this guy why is he friends with everyone?”

[upper canopy]

It's all they can do so I'd be surprised if they didn't

You have to sculpt the same white man 90 times a year, at least give him a widow's peak

[verbal tangle]

are you familiar with Aces and Eagles?

'cause it sounds like you need Aces and Eagles

[jaunty dawn]

IM is pretty decent for this

has money

and supports just working for a higher up criminal rather than hacking the same into dh1e, though the latter shouldn't be too tricky besides

[floral herald]

That’s true IM could work pretty well

Especially for mercs because you could like, stat up multiple patrons

[jaunty dawn]

zone based combat maybe the most marmite feature? you can use an alt rule to switch it to integer ranges but theres less like, nuance compared to dh1e built for it

i think the ideal is just using the bits you like from each but thats not super workable if you dont already know what you like haha

i think its combat system is very cool

[past sphinx]

i really want to pick the brain of the team that built that

[jaunty dawn]

i think it makes more sense personally unless you want to play with minis

[past sphinx]

its just to abstract for me

[tired cairn]

I'm a big fan of zone based combat if it's not grid based (or miniatures I suppose)

(I almost always turn range bands into zones lol)

[past sphinx]

gridless distance based combat is something ive always wanted in an rpg, but thats just mordhiem

[jaunty dawn]

like I think in practical terms all totm is zone based its just whether the rules support directly or you're unconsciously implementing it

but gridless with minis is fun yeah :)

[tired cairn]

Interesting you find zones too abstract. I find it fairly concrete. Range bands I have that problem with though

[floral herald]

I like zones but you have to put a lot of thought into the zones ime

[past sphinx]

it might be just a reflex of real world experience and how games tend to define zones

[jaunty dawn]

but also like I said, marmite feature, i would definitely support going with dark heresy were it a problem for whichever group

[tired cairn]

Marmite feature is such a funny way to describe it

[floral herald]

Dark Heresy is kinda funny because it works out to being roughly zone based but the zones are 12-24 meters wide

[jaunty dawn]

strictly speaking one could definitely be lukewarm on it

I also like how im does encounter design

like how the enemies fit together is pretty nice

from what i saw as a player and skimming that section

[wintry mist]

oh I like zone based stuff

well like is maybe a strong word

I think it's neat and a good alternative but not strictly better than grid stuff

[jaunty dawn]

neat!

i think im is worth a good look then

[wintry mist]

awesome

issue I maybe have is that certain factions may or may not make sense

[jaunty dawn]

they dont have to be equally around

[wintry mist]

mayhaps

I mean moreso the faction character options

though if they're more broad strokes mercs rather than underhivers scrounging for a paycheck it could work

chances are I'm gonna go for a higher payment grade- but they have to pay for their own living expenses

[jaunty dawn]

mm

it is quite easy for it to be a past life sort of thing

finished tour with the guard/pdf and goes into merc etc

or just born on a spaceship into the merchant navy

[wintry mist]

yeee

certain ones are a little trickier to justify but if my players can fenangle their way into it I would be more than down

[solemn gull]

I’m not

[jaunty dawn]

ye exactly

it could be a bit of a problem with rolling character options randomly but unless one enjoys random intrinsically the xp it gives you as a reward isnt really worth anyway

so not a problem to just plan a character

[wintry mist]

Yeah

Thinking IM is good for this actually

If someone really wanted to play, say, a telepathica character, they could be on the payroll of a patron already and just making money by doing other work for other people too

Multiple patrons- potentially unlocking their boons by doing jobs and work for them?

[verbal tangle]

It is a very old but very definitive "Imperial Guard Aeronautica" homebrew

I'm out running errands but will get you a link when I get home

[wintry mist]

think this is how I'll do them: The more mission-centric boons come earlier, while the general "you can get training from your patrons contacts or get easy access to augmetics" stuff will be way later down the line

have cooked up an ordo hereticus inquisitor who's motivated by information and is sombre (generic ass inquisitor), a pragmatic guard officer (might reflavour into PDF or Arbites) motivated by reputation, and an inscrutable criminal mastermind motivated by materiel

[sour sequoia]

Ogres Progress thus far

[wintry mist]

After reading, I could just have them all start as Infractionists. Faction is a big character choice but I think it could definitely work still

[runic swallow]

Hey, in AoS is there any Great Maw equivalent for the Ogres?

[unreal cosmos]

Would you believe some people are complaining about this

[wintry mist]

Infractionist influence could represent ganger rep too

[past sphinx]

yes.

[sour sequoia]

Whatcha mean by it - current lore basically stripped out the ogres stuff besides the great maw

[runic swallow]

Oh I mean I not up on the AoS Ogre lore lol

[sour sequoia]

Maw Cult is everybody now

[runic swallow]

Like, I honestly don’t know what their deal is

[verbal tangle]

@solemn gull
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1r8ekof6vtaml77/Aces_and_Eagles.pdf/file

[sour sequoia]

They’re still mercenaries but its basically down to maw worshippers and the beast clans cursed to be chased by blizzards

Still the GOATs, still clap essentially anybody who wanders into Ghur, still eating every kinda demon and using plaguebearers to ferment their beer faster

Have caused Stormcast problems because the mawpot magic is powerful enough to ensnare fleeing souls and grab em outta the lightning bolts en route back to Azyr

IIRC they also eat nighthaunt ghosts. Somehow

[tired cairn]

Are the plaguebearers particularly good brewers or do they dunk them in the would-be alcohol?

[sour sequoia]

Tie em down to the barrel so it ages faster

Table wise they’re still like exactly what you would expect

“Here is 36 half naked blokes the size of houses and Grillmaster Mort”

“Btw reinforced gluttons gib great unclean ones and the frostlords on big mammoths will kill Archaon in a round or two we are the fantasy-side custodes”

The monsters will kill regular heroes on charge impact damage alone

[wintry mist]

I just cooked: they get a new patron as they ascend up the hive city...

[paper bluff]

Ogres are the old one's strongest Lads

[wintry mist]

ok so this is fucking awesome?

[past sphinx]

oh hey thats the dooms from deadlands

though i think you could also come back as a revenant if you died of your fated doom

[pastel rampart]

I had Gunship's "Blood for the Blood God" stuck in my head and I've been wondering like...what would a chaos video game look like (and that isn't a carbon copy of Space Marine 1/2).

[floral herald]

Paradox map painter where you play as a subversive cult trying to destroy society

[sweet solar]

you could always run it in necromunda

[soft willow]

We already have Total Warhammer III

[floral herald]

Shadows of Forbidden Gods kinda

[pastel rampart]

Okay something that isn't Yet Another 4x Game™️

[wintry mist]

ehhh idk

[sweet solar]

cultist simulator

[wintry mist]

I think Imperium Maledictum is good for it

[pastel rampart]

(Joke/Not Joke answer: CHAOS KART)

GET IN FIRST PLACE TO BECOME AN EXALTED CHAOS MARINE

[sweet solar]

alternativly, x-com

[pastel rampart]

LAST PLACE YOU BECOME A SHIT-ASS CHAOS SPAWN

[floral herald]

Ok fair hmm

[pastel rampart]

We do have both Chaos Gate titles and Battle Sector tbf, but I'm kinda okay with more of those.

[sweet solar]

x-com crossed with pandemic, on an imperial planet, slowly growing chaos cult, cant go too hard or the imperium notices and responds but you can dissapear in the background noise of crime and corruption

[pastel rampart]

...I wonder if that wouldn't work better for a Genestealer Cult tho, hm.

[mild glen]

Chaos Video Game? Make it a Saint's Row rip-off, honestly.

[sweet solar]

honestly start with either and the other can be an expansion

[floral herald]

Messiah but you’re a daemon

[pastel rampart]

Nah nah Saint's Row is clearly Dark Eldar.

[mild glen]

You are [Cultist] join a cult of your choice, expand your influence and territory until your God or Undivided take over the Hive.

[floral herald]

Hitman with possession basically

[sweet solar]

hear me out

city skylines

you have to ballance 4x corruption and manage various cults to prevent death spirals and infighting

while providing minimum neccesery lifestyle to attract cult members

if conditions are worse than the nearest inmperial world you cant grow

if they are too good you attract imperial space marines

and population drops again

[mild glen]

Imagine having worse conditions than an Imperial world.

[sweet solar]

youd start off with equal conditions, as an imperial colony

then you gotta grow and manage chaos urban development

sacrifice enough people to the chaos gods for boons and upgrades but the minimum possible to keep the population happy and growing

[pastel rampart]

Y'know I hate to say "make it a soulslike" but having it set in the EoT would allow for all sorts of plausible revival nonsense. Though I think that might work better conceptually for an Eldar game playing a phoenix lord who'd just have some new person inhabit their armor.

[floral herald]

No that rips

[sweet solar]

helldivers 2 playing as cultists. each time you die you get a new cultist

[floral herald]

Screaming vortex soulslike

[mild glen]

Helldivers 2 is definately a T'au/Pathfinder game.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah just like, I wonder if you'd be a random CSM or a cultist starting off.

Covenants = legions/chaos gods, e z

[tranquil ivy]

Kopaka and Gali go hard as fuck 👁️

[solemn gull]

X-com 2 but it's a genestealer uprising

[past sphinx]

long war 1

but with max advent

and you would technically be playing the arbites

[sour sequoia]

Taking suggestions for what I do with the pelt, but Butcher conversion is finished

[solemn gull]

oh I meant you playing as the genestealers destroying imperial stuff

[white mural]

Will post my Genestealer mutateted Krieg kill team tommorow

[upper canopy]

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/496749/warhammer-40-000-wrath-glory-darktide-extraction?src=darktidecmail

[tired cairn]

Do you have to kill thousands of people

[solemn gull]

What’s the best WanG module?

[tranquil ivy]

Fellas im 1v1ing Blood Angels and I'M ACTUALLY PUTTING UP A FIGHT

Ive lost a land raider and thats it

Judiciar and bladeguard killed my 3 aggressors

Gravis Captain responded by disintegrating the judiciar (Epic Challenge)

I also eradicated his death company + Chaplain

I will now be dying round 2 👁️

[tranquil ivy]

So the game had to end turn 3 butttt

Even though i lost I still had plenty of survivors

[pulsar cairn]

They shall avenge the fallen

[tranquil ivy]

Real

[thin ibex]

lore wise, whod yall give it to? Angron or Ghaz

[pulsar cairn]

[thin ibex]

noting that Ghaz has been fought to a standstill by yarrick and beheaded by ragnar

but i think he's more powerful than is generally ascribed to him

[pulsar cairn]

Not sure about Lore, but they can kill Angron as much as they want since daemon princes cant really die for reals

So i would give it to Ghaz

BUUT

In a 1v1 like fight i think Angron might be more dangerous

Ghaz is pretty clever tho so he could be able to come up with something

[pastel rampart]

If Ghaz was on the same level as The Beast, who legitimately gave Vulkan a hard time, then he'd have a solid chance at sending Angron back to the warp.

[pulsar cairn]

True

[thin ibex]

i feel like post cyborkening

with the like uber frankenwaaaagh lightning power up

he should be on primarch level

[paper bluff]

Horus heresy angron vs. Ghaz. That would be an interesting fight. Daemon angron vs Ghaz. Yeah Ghaz can fight and win every once in a while but all it takes is one win for angron

[thin ibex]

ghaz just gets frankenorked

again ang again

until he's like

a smidge of a brain

stiched to other ork brains and cybork bits

"We can rebuild him, we have the meknology"

[floral herald]

Ghazkhull, characters who can respawn almost always lose to ones who can’t

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

Angron is almost the Worf of 40k.

[thin ibex]

well him, the avatar of khaine, and any greater daemon

Sure a greater daemon is a planetary level threat, but also marneus is gonna punch it in the nuts and throw it back into the warp as an after thought

oh also the swarmlord

bloodthirsters especially and khorne's brood in general are professional jobbers

[pastel rampart]

Yeah like, any of those immortal badasses will get their shit kicked in when facing a popular named character and sure if you run enough simulations eventually the greater daemon/swarmlord/etc wins, but narratively they won't because then they can't sell that model anymore.

[runic swallow]

Smh we must return to Tycho, canonically dead character and model

[floral herald]

Ka’bandha is probably the premier jobber in 40K imo

[pastel rampart]

The better question is "HOW badly does Ghaz pants Angron in this theoretical match-up"

[floral herald]

Angron loses but Ghaz barely survives

Closer fight than Lion v Angron I think

(Mostly because Ghazkhull doesn’t have the shield)

[pastel rampart]

Ghaz then takes Angron's skull and puts it on top of his boss pole as the daemonic equivalent of a middle finger.

(I assume there's a skeleton left behind even when banished because otherwise why do I have all these bloodletter skulls you put on sprues, GW)

[floral herald]

I think Khorne would not make daemons who’s skulls disappear

[pine matrix]

Ey yo?

Think it's interesting it's focused on Loyalists? But I'll be interested to see how it could be bent towards Traitor characters

[raw vessel]

It looks like GW realized adding a ttrpg to all their settings is just free money.

Which also explains that darktide expansion for wrath and glory

[pine matrix]

Fair point!

[thin ibex]

swarmlord won! once! turned marneus into a quadrupalegic

[pastel rampart]

I think that one is non-canon, or just worded horribly to make Marneus seem like he turned full Robocop.

[thin ibex]

im reasonably certain marneus does have two bionic legs and two bionic arms

oh did that get retconned

[hard whale]

maybe they're just really good bionics

[pastel rampart]

Usually they show bionic limbs, because they're often as robust and armored as space marine armor so there's little reason to cover it.

[solemn gull]

Troupe play Horus heresy rpg?

[solemn gull]

Tbf he is wearing powerfists over them

[pine matrix]

Seems like it! Honestly wonder what sort of system it'll be based on. I've not played Wrath and Glory

There was an fan made expansion to death watch about playing Horus heresy marines called The Good The Bad And the Alpha Legion, always thought that looked neat but I didn't really get on with the old FFG system

[solemn gull]

Well personally I hope it’s more d100/simulationist but I don’t know who’s producing it.

[pine matrix]

Crucible 7 as well, this was part of a wider section on them in the article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/f07zlb44/warhammer-relics-brilliant-new-gear-from-the-warhammer-merch-store/

[tired cairn]

Does anyone else do Warhammer RPGs at this point?

[pine matrix]

Doesn't look like it

[solemn gull]

Ahh, well then yeah I don’t see why they wouldn’t use their well recieved dice pool system

[floral herald]

Imperium Maledictum is d100 based

[solemn gull]

True but I think that was because they were replicating dark heresy in their own way

I’m also really interested in seeing what they do with their version of WFRP

[tired cairn]

Is Soulbound the same dice system as W&G?

[thin ibex]

is the darktide supplement for WanG?

[tired cairn]

Yes

Fantasy Roleplay looks like percentile

[jaunty dawn]

doesn't cubicle 7 already make wfrp

the new one is an old world thing specifically

[tired cairn]

It looks like all their game lines use different systems

I think the question is what system the Horus Heresy rpg will use?

[solemn gull]

right it's their own version of WFRP isn't it?

[jaunty dawn]

well no

their version of wfrp is wfrp?

[tired cairn]

Huh, the old world is a new system instead of an expansion to WFRP

[jaunty dawn]

my best guess is old world is gonna be like

less scrunglo

[tired cairn]

It's apparently a d10 dice pool system

Warhammer: the Old World of Darkness

But given how the designer doesn't like percentile, that suggests horus heresy will also not be percentile

[solemn gull]

I think their statement is that d100 can be accomplished with d10 and less clutter

not sure if I agree but it's not a bad idea

[paper bluff]

Some one once said that the beef with angron is how tuska demonkilla gets back into realspace by becoming ghaz's offical anti-demon nob

[paper bluff]

Hang on... d100 40k system.... dammit what was the name of the old one.. dark Hersey?

[solemn gull]

there were a few but yeah dark heresy was one

[tired cairn]

Also the more recent Imperium Maledictum

[mental birch]

One fight?

Or until one guy dies

Permanently

[thin ibex]

hmm, since you brought it up, first and then the latter

[mental birch]

The latter is Angron by definition

Trying to figure out the first I'd hmmmm

[thin ibex]

i forget, can grey knights actually destroy demons entirely? I know the emperor actually deleted horus' soul right?

[past sphinx]

as far as i know greyknights have more power when it comes to banishment

[floral herald]

I know the emperor actually deleted horus' soul right?
This is kinda ambiguous now actually

It used to be 100% the case though

[past sphinx]

emp hit him with the

[solemn gull]

I mean to be fair “psychic blasts to blow up a guy’s soul” is way more hax then what Horus was doing primarily being swinging a big mace around and Freddy Krueger claws.

[runic swallow]

No he was also doing Psychic Bullshit in the new books now

[thin ibex]

reason i asked is because

i wonder if ghork and/or mork would be able to destroy a demon for real

rather than banish it

I imagine if thats the question, yes they could. Would they? Probably not

they're more than powerful enough, but likely not interested in that sort of thing

[solemn gull]

Destroying demons would probably be a bad thing imo, less enemies for the orks to fight

But I do think Angron would win easily

For how exceptional Angron is he got his head chopped off by Ragnar Blackmane who is good and all but also just a standard space marine at the time

[thin ibex]

well, a wolf lord, rather than a standard marine. Not a chapter master sure, but certainly not a standard guy

[solemn gull]

I mean he wasn’t Primaris yet

[past sphinx]

now that was before he got da big mech body

[solemn gull]

I don’t think the big Cybork body elevates him to primarch killing level

[thin ibex]

yeah that was pre-waaaagh super lightning

[past sphinx]

granted i do agree that agron would pull his arms off and beat him to death with them

[solemn gull]

Especially not a primarch blessed with all the powers from the god of killing shit

[thin ibex]

cybork body came with pure waaaaagh lightning that like flattened a city block or something

[solemn gull]

Angron fell from space as a meteor

And he’s had 10k years of experience

[thin ibex]

I'm pretty sure the Beast didn't have 9k years of experience when he took Vulkan to pound town

and Ghaz has been brewing an unmatched Waaagh! that the narrative has refused to touch since armageddon

[solemn gull]

Well we could powerscale but I would be interested to see what the rules say if you 1v1ed them

[thin ibex]

table rules angron wins a raw 1v1, unless you roll like a god with makari who comes part and parcel with him

I generally think Ghaz is on primarch level personally, but since they havent really explored his story since his cyborkening and orbital waaagh lightning resurrection as effectively like ork jesus, and since they've much more recently explored Angron, Angron has more achievements in recent memory

the bolt that raised ghaz from the dead apparentl had a 4/5 chance to blow up the entire planet he was rezzed on

[sour sequoia]

there's a lot of people who are supposed to be primarch level and Just Aren't

like every phaeron except Imotekh who is Merely Chapter Master

[runic swallow]

Do mean on tabletop or in stories?

Also, man, I know someone (maybe Cyan?) called this out earlier but man am I disappointed GW didn’t do something cool and add the Gene Hounds as a unit for the new Emperor’s Children codex. They’re such a neat concept and basically pre-packaged as a unit concept, but still nothing

I honestly don’t even know how many people know or care about them, but I just think they’re neat

[sour sequoia]

Both, lmao Imotekh and necron leaders in general die like dogs since they're pokemon buffs

[runic swallow]

Not fully sure I get what you’re saying there

[sour sequoia]

The generic overlord model on the table is at least currently meant to be a phaeron or similar, who are very much intended to be on primarch powerscale, people like Szeras are supposed to be even beyond that - Silent King is Big E before Big E

ruleswise, they are 'guy who holds a res orb and hands out +1 WS/BS in Awakened Dynasty and the noble tag for units'

[runic swallow]

Ah

[thin ibex]

Is there meant to be only one overlord for each dynasty?

Imotekh is an example of a character that seems more like Creed in terms of treatment, in that his strategic prowess far outstrips his combat ability, and he effectively laughed in helbrechts face as he beat him physically and took his hand. Iirc, Helbrecht still hasn't beaten him in a duel? Just sacked his ship, which is supposed to be its own achievement that seems downplayed

Beating a necron fleet in a naval engagement without an overwhelming advantage is notable

[sour sequoia]

imotekh is the funny counterexample because he's the one phaeron that's not a phaeron

[runic swallow]

Didnt he do a coup or something?

[sour sequoia]

realize I got these mixed up -- overlords are generals, there's a few per dynasty. Imotekh's an overlord that a phaeron regenerated to full intelligence briefly in order to slaughter two competitors, Imotekh realized his superiors were dumbasses and overthrew the phaeron

[thin ibex]

The main thing I remember is that in the war in heaven he never lost a battle. Which should be miles more impressive than its treated. Homeboy should feel like he's cheating at every turn

[sour sequoia]

there's like. strictly enforced degrees of sapience in the engrams allowed per dynastic rank to allow the hierarchy to enforce itself, imotekh was uplifted to full and turned out to be the actual Strategic Genius Necron Boy

[runic swallow]

If I remember from Battlefleet Gothic, they’re straight up bullshit

[thin ibex]

Yeah helbrechts revenge was sacking imotekh's flagship

[runic swallow]

Like, “physics is a mild suggestion” level bullshit

[thin ibex]

I was under the impression that as a nemesor, he had full sapience when he was awakened, no upgrade needed

And he just got pissed and did an immediate hostile takeover instead of being the trump card to win the throne

[sour sequoia]

You probably remember better than me lmao I play necrons and I'm mostly here on vibes

[sour sequoia]

They're noted for piloting directly through stars and gas gants with no problem IIRC, Necrons have Actual FTL and the usual Necron Super Science scaled up to warship level is just

lol. lmao. your fleetus is deleetus

[thin ibex]

I haven't like gone and googled, so I'm probably off by a bit

I think necron ftl got soft retconned into them having figured out how to use the webway?

[sour sequoia]

lmao I go to look and it just says they use teleportation, the webway, and inertialess drives, fuck it why not

[thin ibex]

Lol

Keep your options open I guess

I don't think a phaeron is meant to be equal to a primarch only because the emperor made 22 of em to conquer the galaxy and intentionally invested much power into them. The necrons did not eggs basket, the Phaerons were hella strong and had super tech at their disposal. Their power was in their dominion over their legions and their technology rather than superlative fighting prowess. Not to say they were chumps of course

I do think the silent king accomplished more/got further than the emperor and as a character is kind of downplayed in their significance. But then maybe something is so be said for being literally billions of years old

Or in other words. Necrons (ironically) didn't rely on super units who were also their leaders, they relied on military superiority and doomsday devices

[runic swallow]

Also only recently actually being in the active story as I recall, since he’s been out beyond the galactic rim for most of the time until very recently as I recall

[uneven ember]

they're pretty bullshit yeah

[sour sequoia]

Szarekh nerfed himself is the funny part - it's stated that at height of his power he went and bodied a ctan mano a mano, shackled it and tore it to pieces to mount that screaming head on his throne

[uneven ember]

they can table their opponents and still lose though

[thin ibex]

Though apparently as a convenient write out, Silent King nerfed the entire necron race by hiding away and deleting the knowledge of the necrons most powerful arsenals

[sour sequoia]

and then destroyed a bunch of the bespoke supertech and the thing that gave him perfect command

[runic swallow]

Right, they had a whole victory point modifier thing if they lost too many vessels

[thin ibex]

"We won't need these right? We fought the big battle already. We'll just conquer the dregs after a multimillion year nap"

"Holy shit the Tyranids. Turn this ship around"

I forget but I do write it off as "Dex has to glaze its faction" but apparently if all the necron woke up, they'd outnumber the ork and everyone else?

[sour sequoia]

I love necrons but I think that's very firmly in 'thing that will never happen'

it's like "if they all woke up, at perfect awakening rate, at once, everybody loses and the necrons clear"

[runic swallow]

I think that’s a bit much, but part of their whole deal is slumbering beneath multitudes of worlds without anyone being the wiser

[sour sequoia]

but everybody's malfunctioning, whole planets are lost, you now have a factional divide, holy shit did that talking bonobo just explode an overlord with his brain

[runic swallow]

So I could believe there is a crazy amount of them

No the bonobos make lascannon rings

Keep up man

Hairless apes have psychic powers

[sour sequoia]

and even the functioning non-flayer-virus-or-destroyer-crazy-ones are getting clapped by dementia and jumbled memories and general Ent-ness slow-to-act-from-immortality

society of 27yr awkward conversational pauses is not gonna make it

[thin ibex]

I think atm it's "Tyranids sweep, just depends on when"

[runic swallow]

I think if the Necrons do even partially wake up and focus on them, they can probably fight them to a standstill or whittle them down, since they’re the perfect counter-force for them

[thin ibex]

Like chaos v Imperium is played up as the main dish, but it's kind of a distraction from the Nids

[sour sequoia]

IIRC there's one story set in like Warhammer 80k

[runic swallow]

Since they don’t give biomass when killed and delete Tyranid biomass with basically all their weapons, making resupply super hard for them

[sour sequoia]

eldar extinct, imperium new eldar, tau are catching up to necrons, necrons and orks and tyranids are going crazy

[thin ibex]

If we're all old loreheads, it can be hard to know which bits of lore are still current lore

Lol

Like I thought marneus was a quadriplegic this whole time, but that's old lore

[sour sequoia]

I quit in early 7th because the local scene sucked so much ass, came back a year and a half ago to... good heavens what is going on in there

like actually what the fuck is going on anymore

[runic swallow]

I’m still confused about hearing how they don’t have item point buys anymore

(College/grad school took me out of playing 40k in 8th)

[thin ibex]

I would probably be fine if eq points came back, but I'm also not hating it being gone

[sour sequoia]

10th is alright except they didn't exactly stop scaling the game for not paying for wargear

[thin ibex]

Much quicker to build a list and actually get playing

[sour sequoia]

Tau and Necrons are no longer shooty armies because nothing matches the stupid quantity of guns imperium armies fit on any vehicle

[thin ibex]

They kind of have, just not uniformally

[runic swallow]

It just seems, from the outside, like it kinda makes it makes certain choices not choices, since now why ever have a bolt or Las pistol when there’s the plasma pistol for no price (and no longer able to randomly kill you unless you wanna live in the Danger Zone)

[thin ibex]

Yup that's an example of it not being well accounted for

I think a better comparison can be tau suits that are tailored for loadouts and each have their own special rule

Instead of "how many ion blasters can I staple on this thing"

[runic swallow]

I should say, I’m also a person who loved fiddling with lists to try to fit as much cool stuff in them as possible

And having to figure out what I’d trade off was always kinda fun

[thin ibex]

I love to do the same, the thing I hated was the ideas of units who had options in a purchase environment who also had only one valid option, and if you were going to bring them, that's what you were gonna pay for or there was no reason to bring them

Like the aforementioned ion blaster thing thing with crisis suits. They had like 5 other options, but if to brought any other choices, the cost difference wasn't balanced, you just took as many as you could

[runic swallow]

It sorta feels like they just went “fuck it” to trying to balance wargear fully and just made it all free.
Now, like I said I’ve not played it in this state, but it just seems very strange

[thin ibex]

It works pretty well imo, in practice

The game is eminently playable and accessible

And generally pretty balanced

Nothing egregious stays that way for longer than like... a quarter

Compared to the heyday of "its gonna be like that for the next 2 years"

I would like it if every option was internally balanced against the other choices, sans a meta, but we're not there yet

[runic swallow]

I guess it feels different enough that I might have to wait for them to iterate on it more to jump back in, since right now it just seems too weird

[thin ibex]

I prefer chainsword, power sword, power fist to have legitimate trade offs instead of being a hierarchal choice based on cost, which I think they're trying to do.

Just that marines always being meta also makes fists the right pick because of 2 damage

[runic swallow]

Like, if it was in a state where there are reasons to take all of the options I’d you’re gonna make ‘em free, okay, but right now it just seems like it’s missing at least the aspect of skimping here and there on gear to get a cool unit to fit

Personally I’m fine when there was a hierarchy of choices when there was the trade-off of “you could have a few kitted out dudes or you could have more less kitted dudes”

Like, if the worry was that there were too many people determining a “correct” choice with points buys, they could also have just adjusted the points cost of gear to be more or less appealing if they were gonna do quicker updates anyhow

[thin ibex]

I do also think as scale went up, it's harder to justify picking out your squad members individual J's and ball cap

[runic swallow]

Eh, I don’t ever remember it being too onerous, and don’t they have an official army builder now too?

[thin ibex]

Tbf, also adjusting hundreds more of cost vectors for balancing is a lot harder than adjusting the cost vectors of the units at large now, which is also in the hundreds. Especially between like 20 something factions

[runic swallow]

Like, you’re still picking gear, you’re just doing a bit less math with it

[thin ibex]

Like "just adjust the points costs for every single small choice to make it more balanced" is a lot easier to say than to do on a macro

[runic swallow]

I guess, but it just feels wrong as someone who played it before this

[thin ibex]

I really don't think it'd be a feasible choice when you're pushing for a bi quarterly balance update

Or was it quarterly

[runic swallow]

Bi-quarterly would be every two months

[thin ibex]

Oh I meant to say whatever reflected every other quarter

[runic swallow]

Sorry, wait, every 1.5

That’d be bi-annually

[thin ibex]

I don't remember if balance slate was meant to be 4 times or 2 times a year

[runic swallow]

(Which annoyingly can also mean every two years)

[thin ibex]

Bi weekly can mean every two weeks too xD

[runic swallow]

I guess my fundamental issue other than the simple “well, why pick this if now that is free” is that it fundamentally feels wrong to not have the aspect of trying to squeeze stuff in and also get the shiniest wargear

[thin ibex]

I don't think there's an compelling need to play with the current rules, especially if they don't feel right. I think 30k skews more like the old days. But I do think the rules now do actually work and make sense if you meet them on their own terms without the nostalgia

[runic swallow]

Like, the vibes are just off

And yeah, honestly if I get back in I’d probably go to 30k

[thin ibex]

I still want to try it out sometime, one thing that appeals to me is vehicle firing arcs, even if I fully respect why they aren't a thing

[runic swallow]

Vehicle facing is cool, I didn’t like when they pulled it

[thin ibex]

Mostly cause I think firing arcs in 40k would be a great excuse to juice vehicle weaponry.

[misty violet]

It's one of those moments where the writers just totally scale back one factions/characters/units power level from what they're normally described as/described as in their codex. I think there's a couple examples, in Black Library books at least, of Space Marines getting shot up by autogun wielding cultists

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ovfew1bv/wield-the-power-of-the-gods-in-kill-team-blood-and-zeal/

Wild

[quaint compass]

insane bloodthirsty maniacs vs khorne enjoyers

[jaunty dawn]

This is cool

[mental birch]

We have seen this work

In a codex before

If the admech can starve a landing invasion fleet

The necrons should be able to as well

[floral herald]

This might be a first - male DCA

I also like the bloodletter legs for the chaos team

I think the people who misread the signs and thought that the next KT box was gonna be Grey Knights vs World Eaters are very funny now

Because they got the vibes right!

[past sphinx]

Cowards!

Pop the shirt off that man right now

[floral herald]

Real

[past sphinx]

Real excited for these guys though

Also their basically perfect necromunda fodder

[past sphinx]

How did they make a DCA bland looking?

[jaunty dawn]

This guy looks really scared its funny

[bright dove]

Paint job. The model's nice.

[past sphinx]

It is but i would never peg it as a death cult assassin without the tag on it

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-noot-noot-penguin-head-bang-gif-17021033

[jaunty dawn]

Disagree, I think its appropriate to not be as fancy as a rogue trader entourage dca but compared to other models even hes still kinda just a generic rubber sneaky man

Like these models actually have a lot more going on than just rubber catsuit

Which scarf and shoulder pad comparatively are a bit meh

[past sphinx]

He reminds me of the 30k assassin they released a while back

[jaunty dawn]

I think also the stance isnt really giving like

Death cult

Elevation of murder to worship

[pastel rampart]

You can't fool me that's just Zen: Intergalactic Ninja.

[past sphinx]

I'm pleasantly surprised how much I like the EC releases

Rules and all

[tired cairn]

"Is that a cherub?"
"IT HAS A TASER!"

Goremongers are among the most lucid and reliable of Khorne’s troops... The first thing they do is to cut off their own legs

🤔

[floral herald]

They're just serious about cosplay

[junior robin]

new death cult looks like he is from a bdsm themed assassins creed game.

[finite compass]

This is not a statement on the lucidity or reliability of the Goremongers as much as it is one on the lucidity and reliability of everyone else Khorne has to work with

[past sphinx]

Being lucid enough to survive cutting off your own legs is a feat

[white mural]

My fried kill team

[desert jay]

This description makes me appreciate the model more

[finite compass]

Green Kriegers are an entire look

[white mural]

Thank you

I have some tails and stuff and genestealer logos to throw them in as neophytes

[desert jay]

I also like imagining DCA guy showed up in less coverage and one of the other priests is kinda uptight and asked him to please put some more on

[white mural]

DCA?

[floral herald]

Death Cult Assassin

I think they're mostly ultimately descended from Sevora and Severina Devout back in Inquisitor

Who defined the look (spoiled not because it's really nsfw but gosh I might not want my boss to see it over my shoulder)

Inquisitor Eisenhorn investigated the Cult and found that they were puritan followers of the Imperium and completely devoted to the Emperor. He hired the twin sisters Severina and Sevora Devout to serve him in his duties.
Honestly really funny

"yeah they're normal"

[white mural]

Ah

[floral herald]

Also RIP missed the boat on that Emperor's Children army set

Maybe my LGS will have it

[floral herald]

Oh that's sick

What color is the green paint?

I was thinking of doing a similar color for my jaegir coats

[white mural]

Orruk Flesh

I only by the starter kits for citadel paint

Otherwise I use cheaper acrylics which are usually better

[runic swallow]

“By the standards of the Imperium these are fine, upstanding people, their murder-lust is pointed in the correct direction and is done in honor of the emperor, everything is cool here 👍”

[white mural]

Ooooooo I love that style

I want to paint a space marine at some point

[runic swallow]

They’re a dime a dozen, you could probably get one from someone at your local game store just by buying them a soda

To be clear this is me saying to don’t let your dreams be dreams, go get one and have fun

[paper bluff]

Some times 40k is the meme

[runic swallow]

While I know it’s definitely coming from mostly a horniness factor in why they were designed that way, in a vacuum I have always enjoyed the idea of a penitent unit being dressed in almost no clothes or no clothes at all, as a sign of them being willing to die for redemption or feeling/being told they are unworthy of it due to their sins

Or like, doing the whole sackcloth/hair shirt thing

Unfortunately it can be kinda hard to do without it just seeming horny

[desert jay]

The leotard look of the update I think did it pretty well

[runic swallow]

I think that’s supposed to be the interface suit for the power armor

[paper bluff]

"I assure you inquisitor, the synthskin suits but be that tight for reasons of efficiency"

[uneven ember]

"we made a whole unit of death-seeking basically-naked body-pierced battle-nuns and do you know what the fans went and thought about that?"

[runic swallow]

I mean, they knew what they were doing from the jump, they originally came with a leader unit with a cat-o-nine, they were absolutely going for a BDSM nun thing

Like, it’s not the fans seeing something that’s not in there, it’s just what it was lol

But I was saying that about the more general idea of having a nude/semi-nude character

Like, even doing a nude berserker, which was a thing that was at least semi-historical (or only wearing a wolf or bear skin) would probably be hard to do without people being weird about it, man or woman

[uneven ember]

yeah, I get it
the most you can do without comment is like Kharn's 3+ gunshow

[white mural]

Warhammers Target demo has always been horny edgy teenagers (now it’s more middle aged men with disposable incomes but still)

[uneven ember]

I prefer "overgrown horny edgy teenagers"

[past sphinx]

There is a loooooot of bdsm influence in warhammer

Its just kinda through the whole thing

[white mural]

Although I suppose most the people I know who play are trans women with engineering degrees

[runic swallow]

Warhammer contains multitudes

[uneven ember]

you have a whole faction of "evil bondage elves"

[runic swallow]

Grumble grumble I like Krigers because of the WWI mishmash not for the reasons you maniacs who don’t even understand history do

[white mural]

A lot of alt culture influences in general

[runic swallow]

Yep

[white mural]

I painted their trench coats green because of the kibbo kif!

[runic swallow]

I actually am not aware of what that is