Warhammer and Such

[upper canopy]

Building my ogor tyrant c:

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1339368727766106242/IMG_20250212_131822.png?ex=67ae77d4&is=67ad2654&hm=0abb9def949b981cf67bb7bb68165b006068ea52e62394d99ed1673bd9d649ca&

[runic swallow]

Deeply cursed

[sour sequoia]

Voy gettin ogres same time as me

it's a sign

[upper canopy]

Great King Mawdas

Hotel Magnate

[pulsar cairn]

Are ogres cool dudes?

[thin ibex]

depends on who you're asking

[pulsar cairn]

[thin ibex]

they're, traditionally, the epitome of a schoolyard bully

big, strong, greedy, and will use their size and strength to take whatever they want

[pulsar cairn]

Not cool dudes then

[thin ibex]

p much

[still warren]

Theyre just hangry

[pulsar cairn]

At least we have Ogryns

[sour sequoia]

The ostensible counterpoint is also that they’re currently the chillest of the destruction factions even with the Maw being the only bit of their narrative that carried over to AoS, basically amounting to ‘mercs that need prodigious amounts of food but will happily clap daemons for you’

Cities of Sigmar got multiple ogres that aren’t actually any different than mawtribes guys

[pulsar cairn]

I see

So they are like mean...but you can still reason with them then

Since they can work as mercs in Sigmar cities

[jaunty dawn]

They also are just fully part of cities of sigmar

Just like the city elves n dwarves etc

[paper bluff]

https://youtu.be/GxMVyoPdz4w?si=XnL5Lz_rYuKB4zS2

[paper bluff]

Funnily enough they were the ultimate race for the old ones but before they could make a food source for the ogres the cataclysm happened

[bright dove]

I am on team Ogors Are Cool Dudes

Ogors like a fight, and they like food.

And there's the ones who are fully a part of the Cities of Sigmar, yeah.

[thin ibex]

They're certainly cooler than some dudes, but not particularly as cool as other dudes

I would respect and ogor, but I would not expect them to be my friend or really have any loyalty to me whatsoever

[bright dove]

Though there are Ogors who understand the concept of loyalty and can get on board with the idea.

But at the end of the day, you can wind up on the food end of the spectrum for them, and it's important to remember that.

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/899428622329327626/1339383557889589369/JOYTOY-Imperial-Knights-House-Terryn-Knight-Paladin-WH40K-19.webp?ex=67ae85a4&is=67ad3424&hm=27f5c0c00d693b60d774223b49c402d8e1842887e256a0fd7c12766ad6643072&

b i g

[thin ibex]

ah

the cheaper way to buy a titan

[pastel rampart]

No joke it is lmao

This is $700. The warlord is $1,900 without arms, shoulder weapons, or head.

[thin ibex]

yeah

[pastel rampart]

Both are the same height.

[thin ibex]

also its a cool as heck toy

[soft willow]

Wait it's Warlord sized?

I thought it was closer to the Warhound last time I saw it come up.

Which is also a 700 dollar "model"

[pastel rampart]

Joytoy lists it as 21.14", the warlord is 22".

Warhound is about 10.5".

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/kDiskn8XwCE?si=HwrASnt5xpwvirAy

yes

[thin ibex]

Is like... ogors aren't discriminatory, they aren't trying to corrupt your soul nor do they see you as irrelevant to the Great Plan

But they will also crush your skull and eat your body because they feel like it and they're bigger than you

They just have no grand ambition, generally, rather they just want to eat and do whatever they feel like in the moment

[bright dove]

But they will generally also do mercenary work for folks that can afford them

Which is inspiring thoughts of Landknecht inspired ogors...

[still warren]

I think that's just cannon, man eaters love incorporating aspects of the places they were mercenaries. Totally could see a few of those running around who spent a lot of time in the empire

[pastel rampart]

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/classic-fantasy/products/landsknecht-ogres Do I have the model kit for you!

[uneven ember]

Wargames Atlantic is pretty dope

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, I'm excited for their "guards" and "townspeople" release in the near future.

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/its-not-all-dungeons-and-battles-two-new-sets-for-classic-fantasy Some real scrungy dudes here.

[sour sequoia]

So that’s straight up what Maneaters are supposed to be IIRC—oh I’m a dumbass somebody beat me to that lol

Ironguts are clooooser to ogre janissaries but. Similar

[jagged dawn]

Eisenhorn trilogy done, onto Ravenor

[deft crest]

I've always seen ogres as somehow more reasonable Orcs in terms of diplomacy.

they have other much more clear drives than gittin into a gud krump.

That said maybe i should read one of the warhammer fantasy books for once

[thin ibex]

Thoughts? Likes? Dislikes?

[paper bluff]

You could bribe an ogre with a buffet. Good luck bribing an orc

[bright dove]

You can also bribe Ogors with treasure

[thin ibex]

they ARE more reasonable than orks, because orks desire a good fight most, and they know that being unreasonable could get them that fight too.

Ogors can be bribed because theyare greedy, and that means there are some known vectors

[bright dove]

Ogors being a form of reasonable is why they have Gnoblars

[tranquil ivy]

Chat im gonna be fighting Blood Angels in a 2k point battle tomorrow and im terrified

[deft crest]

Simply cheat

[tranquil ivy]

Genius

I shall just eat his minis

[thin ibex]

blood angels, if they're playing big jetpacks

require sacrifices

so that you can fall back and obliterate them

with bullets

or have melee specialists with a lot of toughness

they do lots of damage but many of their units are super fragile

[mental birch]

What are you playing?

Don't forget just give him things to charge or he will wander off and choose to charge things you don't want him to

[tranquil ivy]

Firestorm (Salamanders)

[tranquil ivy]

Fights first go brrt

[past sphinx]

could i take two CSM squads with las cannons, shove em in a rhino and use it like a worse predator?

[tranquil ivy]

Im not good with chaos

BUT

That sounds funny as fuck

"WE DONT HAVE THE NEWEST TECH BUT WE SURE AS HELL KNOW HOW TO IMPROVISE"

[past sphinx]

yeah im running a list thats all CSM in rhinos and a landraider with some havocs and raptors around, having shooting deck 2 i think means i could split the 10 man squad into teams of 2 for the las cannons and shoot em out the rolled down windows

[floral herald]

Yes but it’s for sure a worse predator haha

The chaos predator annihilator slaps

[desert jay]

It's a worse predator until you get out and do objectives

[floral herald]

True

[past sphinx]

a worse predator but filled with a basketball courts worth of giant sweaty psychos with chainsaws

[solemn gull]

It’s a give and take

[rocky shale]

Firing deck doesn't let you split squads iirc

That's a specific ability on small transports

[past sphinx]

GW attacking me specifically again

[rocky shale]

Firing deck is just how many dudes can shoot out of it.

Stuff like venoms or immolators have the specific text that lets you split a squad

[tired cairn]

It's such a weird way to do it, even though I get why

[thin ibex]

is it?

[jaunty dawn]

isnt atlas just talking about taking two squads

if they were splitting squads there wouldnt be two lascannons

[jaunty dawn]

i think so. like they stopped you taking msu battle sisters and dominions and then if you take an immolator you effectively get to anyway

i do think its interesting in some ways but thats mostly cause it is kinda weird

[tired cairn]

Yeah "you can't organize your troops this way unless you take small transports for them" is weird

[thin ibex]

i think it makes sense more in that it standardizes the unit size in general; from a list building perspective. Much like tau firewarriors always being a 10 man unit

and the special exception to split them into smaller groups is a special interaction rather than a norm

which means it doesn't disrupt the basic part of list building

especially considering unit selection limitations with battleline and otherwise

[tired cairn]

I was thinking something like combat teams would make more conceptual sense

But yeah, I understand why they did it

[runic swallow]

What’d you think?

[solemn gull]

I didn’t really like the first ravenor book which is also the only one of them I read

Pulpy isn’t the right word but it felt a bit like it was written with one hand at some points

I did like cementing the fact inquisitors have like a million sidekicks who are all bizarre and cool in their own way

[upper canopy]

WHF orcs actually can be bribed

There's a lot of ink about how a lot of merchants in the world's edge mountains just bribe orcs to get through

[thin ibex]

i think they do merc work some regularity too

[jagged dawn]

Pretty good, can see why people recommended it

[jagged dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/good-soup-good-soup-meme-meme-adam-driver-gif-22924425

[bright dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422103908534583297/1339636916470943896/sqz3d1ztewie1.jpg?ex=67af719a&is=67ae201a&hm=4b3da04e19d0b12f73c21f686a80c07589a22eae1ef374264cfe532dd67415b3&

[pulsar cairn]

what's been happening with the lore for that meme to be a thing?

i ask cause i dont really get the meme

[thin ibex]

warhammer fans are being warhammer fans about a percieved change to the way Aeldari Wraithbone works

[floral herald]

Yeah

[raw vessel]

Wraithbone was a very unique part of Eldar lore, where trained eldar would sing warp energy into physical matter to make everything they use. The most recent codex now says it's actually just a unique mix of metallurgy that the technique makes it look like it's growing.

[junior robin]

wow that's lame

[pulsar cairn]

They made it boring then

[raw vessel]

It's a shame, one of my favorite parts of the fabius Bile books was him messing with wraithbone and eventually setting up a wraithbone garden where noise marine singing helps it grow.

[pulsar cairn]

Let me guess

[thin ibex]

The wraithbone substance from which each craftworld is wrought is a composite material formed from various compounds, ores and minerals; it is as much grown as it is forged.
Is the actual lore text that people are upset about

[junior robin]

oh.

[pulsar cairn]

The noise marine wasnt there willingly

[floral herald]

(It’s also not a change)

[junior robin]

yeah, it does say grown right there.

[jagged dawn]

Some of the controversy also comes from the change being perceived as a reason for the Votann and Eldar to hate each other

[floral herald]

It’s been kind of ambiguous how physical wraithbone was for a while with some examples of each it’s just that it’s been too long since the femstodes thing and there’s a depletion of outrage in the Twitter 40K fandom diet

[rocky shale]

The singing part isn't even gone it's just that it doesn't 100% pop out of the warp from nowhere

[jagged dawn]

ie they both both want the minerals and people think it’s a cop out reason

[pulsar cairn]

Did you really need a lore change for them to hate each other?

All the eldar need to mess with someone is a seer thinking is necessary

[floral herald]

It’s also not necessarily even a retcon if wraithguard and infinity circuits aren’t made the same way

[rocky shale]

Which tbh having a physical basis makes sense given that a sister of silence walking into the room doesn't dissappear a wraith construct

[floral herald]

Tbf this also doesn’t happen with various other warp enemy constructs

Meant to write “energy” but given this includes daemons I’ll let it ride

[tired cairn]

Also, can't it pop out of the warp and also have a particular metallurgical composition?

[thin ibex]

that's actually be really funny if sisters of silence just fall through craftworlds

[rocky shale]

Tbh it's a ridiculous lore blurb to get as buttmad as 40k reddit is about this

[thin ibex]

it is, but 40k reddit gets buttmad about everything

they're constantly waiting for the next thing to be outraged about

[rocky shale]

I was reading the codex the other day and there's a whole paragraph where they just refer to khaine using she/her pronouns and that made me laugh

[pulsar cairn]

i just wanna see what the funny robot daemon is up too, i dont much care about the rest

[rocky shale]

Gender fluid icon

[thin ibex]

oh shit they passed up woke!Khaine for wraithbone?

what is online outrage coming to these days

[rocky shale]

It's a clear typo but it's funny

They're also talking about morai heg or whoever in the same sentence so they just used she for both

[thin ibex]

yeah i just kind of expect the subset of "no girls allowed" warhammer fans to be on a hair trigger

[pulsar cairn]

that made me think of a space marine in a cardboard box fort with no girls allowed written on it

[upper canopy]

Meanwhile Lilith apparently left the Ynnari and no one gives a shit

[pulsar cairn]

hi Voy

[upper canopy]

despite that being an actual huge change that affects a faction

[thin ibex]

whatd she leave to go do?

[upper canopy]

iunno back to being a regular deldar I guess

also hi fox

[pulsar cairn]

who's lilith?

[floral herald]

Did she? I read what I thought was that blurb and don’t remember it

[rocky shale]

Leilith

[upper canopy]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Lelith_Hesperax

The funny powerful naked lady

[pulsar cairn]

first time hearing about her

40k has too much stuff

[thin ibex]

i believe shes in the running for, lore wise, for being in the top 5 or top 3 one on one duelists in all of 40k

she regularly fights the most dangerous examples from every faction and wins with normal knives and never gets hit

on the tabletop, she gets blasted to smithereens given half a chance

much like any super special character

[rocky shale]

500pt leilith with a 2++ invuln please

[pulsar cairn]

she like to stab

[thin ibex]

she a big time battle junkie

[upper canopy]

primrchs.......

[pulsar cairn]

i still have to get into warhammer fantasy

knowing there's a end of the world thingy at the end makes it feel a tad depressing tho

that's exactly why i was thinking of getting into it and getting a bit away from 40k

[upper canopy]

Just ignore end times

[pulsar cairn]

ok

[upper canopy]

It's the only thing I can do to keep my blood pressure reasonable

[pulsar cairn]

i like the ogres

and the big frogs

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/blood-bowl-warhammer-slann-clapping-applause-gif-16796762417640630241

[south axle]

Is this that Star Wars movie?

[upper canopy]

wh

[pulsar cairn]

Hehe

I love that

[unreal cosmos]

Least whiny Warhammer fan

[pulsar cairn]

Hi Genome

[unreal cosmos]

Hi

[pulsar cairn]

I like ur beeg green skull

[unreal cosmos]

Thanks

[still warren]

Bloodbowl

[glad spear]

I've heard some people worry this might mean like some really out there space marines will attempt to coopt like a shittier wraithbone by learning the recipe and doing some psyker stuff, which honestly I think would be really funny

[tired cairn]

Seems more like a radical Inquisitor sort of plan

[glad spear]

I would love to see like a eldar ranger jumping a inquisitor to go "eeewwww grosss" before stabbing them

[glad spear]

There's a couple reboots, and the end times stuff is basically super lame, for the lack of a better term, just don't really look into it that much

I like AOS a lot for the cool models and characters

Fantasy is cool too

I have to build my flesh eater courts at some point

just a bunch of kooky ghouls playing dressup

[deft crest]

Kill team players, I'm not good at parsing the Spacemarines on sight, Which team uses old style spacemarines and not the new Primaris marines?

[glad spear]

I think the scout squad are firstborn?

The Phobos strike team is primaris I'm pretty sure

[brittle salmon]

None of the current KTs use firstborn models except I guess Scouts, but they have an upgrade kit

[deft crest]

Scouts it is then, Tyty

[unreal cosmos]

People are going bonkers extrapolations off of one sentence

[glad spear]

[upper bluff]

Yeah, that sounds like some insane 4chan style leaks

[brittle salmon]

People need something to be mad at - the answer is, just don't care

[unreal cosmos]

Also arguably the Primaris ones could still use Firstborn models in most cases

[hard whale]

I'm betting on Hanlon's razor here, they just didn't check what the other authors said about it. But! There was a thing in a Fabius Bile story where he got some Noise Marines to experiment with wraithbone. So don't rule it out

[unreal cosmos]

I suppose I would ask why make the distinction if they look the same to you?

[deft crest]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/modular-maidmarines-pack

I want an excuse to get these.

And I can't print more stuff that WON'T get used so

[glad spear]

There's always a use for maidmarines

[unreal cosmos]

I can't see the picture rn but most maid marines are primaris

At least in the art

There isn't actually a rules distinction anymore

Some unit types are associated with one or the other but Primaris isn't a game mechanic

[upper bluff]

Yeah Theja, your maids don't have to be firstborn

[hard whale]

I clicked through and they look like primaris. They've got the newer boltguns weird boltguns with old frames and the new magazines so I don't even know any more

[floral herald]

This was already done, by Fabius Bile haha

Using noise marine instruments in a mockery of the Eldar method

[deft crest]

Ah see, I really am bad at parsing the difference.

[glad spear]

Yeah but like what if the posterboy space marines used them so they can win more, the horror 😱 /s

[hard whale]

no wait, that's definitely an mk X helmet. Got to be primaris, use them as the Angels of Death kill team

[deft crest]

tyty

[glad spear]

Yo Nekona Maid Primarch

[solemn gull]

If no one else got me I know NUFFLE got me.

[rocky shale]

I gotta find someone with a resin printer

[floral herald]

You can just use firstborn for AoD no one’s gonna hit you with a bat

[thin ibex]

yall think if i bring a tigershark i should bring mass burst cannons, ion cannons, or bring the rails

mass burst seems fun

[brittle salmon]

I probably wouldn't bring a tiger shark

[thin ibex]

oh yeah well obviously

[brittle salmon]

But if you do, ions probably

[thin ibex]

building a combined arms list using the aux cadre, and i feel like a proper combined arms list would have air power

if i had access to a hover flier id bring that

but i do not

if irun the burst cannons, i can burp out 32 str 6 ap2 shots pretty readily

[brittle salmon]

true

[thin ibex]

originally i was bringing a stormsurge, but a stormsurge AND a tiger shark take up too much list real estate

makes it harder to bring all the lil dudes

stormsurge and a tiger shark*

[brittle salmon]

fliers are just in a sorry state rn

[thin ibex]

oh yeah, they have very few benefits

[brittle salmon]

there's one that's creeping at the edge of meta but that's about it

[thin ibex]

I COULD bring some razorsharks/sunsharks to check my flier box

but i feel like the tigershark is one of the few that poops out enough shooting to be a threat

to make up for having 0 map control

[brittle salmon]

true

isn't it really expensive though

[thin ibex]

325 points yeah

gonna have to do a lot to pull its weight

but i feel as though the sunshark and razorshark just ont accomplish anything

if im meming, the AX10 tigershark is 10 points cheaper for generally being worse with its one big railgun

str 26 is actually really funny though

[brittle salmon]

lmao

yeah

[thin ibex]

you know, i guess if i AM obligating myself to a flyer, i might as well meme a bit

12 dmg str 26 twin linked

i think the normal tiger shark is costed higher because its flat out more effective

but im super sure ill face at least a couple titanic units in the league

this is where im at

my other go at it

i like the aux cadre rules making it so i can shelter my rampagers for a turn while they get into charge range

[thin ibex]

is 3 land raiders too many?

[past sphinx]

No.

[pine matrix]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/uu8prgos/angron-ascends-and-the-conqueror-gets-its-captain-in-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

Not a huge fan of the Angron but I loooooove Lotara

[jaunty dawn]

Hell yess

[bright dove]

Oh hell yeah, Lotara!

[jaunty dawn]

never knew I wanted a boarding action force of world eater auxilia till now

[solemn gull]

Didn’t she die in 30k?

[pine matrix]

I guess I gotta commit to painting up some Eaters

[pine matrix]

||She ends up fused into the Conqueror, half machine spirit, half ghost, she's still about in 40k||

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[tranquil ivy]

I hate dark eldar i hate dark eldar i hate dark eldar

[meager quail]

I am cross-posting this from the rogue trader thread because this is amazing

[pine matrix]

Wyches, my beloved

[pine matrix]

Lmaooo, is that a good outcome or a bad one?

[meager quail]

The three choices are:

• Paperwork, see above
• Try to have her killed, which fails, she goes on a rampage, and then she leaves and gives you some xenotech for the good time
• Ignore her, in which case the plays around for a while longer before getting bored and leaving, and you learn that she was way more popular than the administrator prior to her

(In my particular case ignoring her was the best choice)

[tired cairn]

"commits unthinkable atrocities but is good at governing" would make her better than most 40k administrations, who generally only do the first part

[deft crest]

this rules so hard.

[tranquil ivy]

I lost the game and it stung. I dont know why, i just didnt feel any joy after it.

I just feel unhappy

[thin ibex]

anything about the game in particular or just losing?

[tranquil ivy]

Ive never won a game but like

This just didnt feel good

[sour sequoia]

Stomps are rough, whats the matchup?

[tranquil ivy]

Firestorm Space Marines vs Dark Eldar (2000pts)

[mental birch]

Oh God yeah

Deldar well played into someone unprepared feels like garbage to play against

You can't catch them

Constant frustration

[pulsar cairn]

She also has the nails? Im not surprised but i didnt know the regular humans were also made to use em

Thought it was just a thing the world eaters astartes did to feel closer to their dad

[pine matrix]

I think she just had dreads

[pulsar cairn]

Oh could be it

Confusing when the nails already look like dreads

[runic swallow]

Lotara is already about as close to a World Eater as a captain can get

[pulsar cairn]

True

[paper bluff]

Getting a hair style to match some one is well known

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/patvk2xg/pledge-yourself-wholly-to-chaos-with-four-very-special-limited-edition-codexes/

Wow this looks cool

I’m probably not gonna get it but it’s pretty

[onyx elm]

So I had no clue that for the Imperium to get around in the Warp they needed like, super Psykers called Navigators, and they're a big deal with noble houses.

[floral herald]

Navigators are technically not psykers but they are mutants

[thin ibex]

they're effectively so important because without them, the imperium collapses

they enjoy a great deal of privelege because of that

they're still otherwise met with fear, disgust, and suspicion, but they're effectively untouchable to the common person

[bright dove]

Navigators are the hypocrisy of the Imperium on full display, because there is no way to deny they're mutants

Without them, the Imperium just is no longer a presence at all

[past sphinx]

Their third eye also kills people

[thin ibex]

to be fair, its technically what's reflected in the third eye that kills people

i do believe the original inspiration for the navigators were the Navigator's Guild from Dune, who were extreme mutants from imbibing spice

[thin ibex]

im gonna be playing against I think dark angels or Tsons as SW, i think ima bring my triple land raider build

it's a bludgeon of a list

my precious cargo is mostly blood claws

but blood claws can punch up pretty ok if I go saga of the beast slayer

[paper bluff]

Put in on the pile with the others

[jagged dawn]

Oh hey, the new IG models are now officially on the GW website

Preorder, but still

[pine matrix]

Just finished reading Angron, the Red Angel. Pretty gud book, I appreciate that Angron is kind of just a thing that happens to people, rather than a coherent figure

They got my ass, I now want to buy the 40k Angron model even though I don't collect World Eaters

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1340329336401563719/p4m5g3puz8g61.webp?ex=67b1f677&is=67b0a4f7&hm=7bdf9198fbff5bd5e796976eefa29c421a4bf1ce06e834ae3e2ac535d523a6dd&

[pine matrix]

Hmm, ya know it could be a pretty fun project to customise a World Eaters praetor and then make a 40k version of him...

WE don't have a custom Praetor model, do they?

[cloud flicker]

New game

[thin ibex]

oh i thought you meant we might get a chimken for rogue trader

[bold halo]

+1 large lad

building this was wild with most of my experience being mid-2000s kits

I remember the absolute gymnastics and rubberbanding I had to do to get a space marine land speeder to hold together while glue dried because the pieces just didn't want to come together and yet this guy's torso is what, 3-4 pieces?

insane

now I just need some primer-friendly weather

[meager quail]

Notably this isn't strictly necessary for short-range jumps

Most human vessels just do those

It just takes a lot longer to go any significant distance

[jagged dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ImperialKnights/s/1L2NUdJH23

Combat patrols for knights

[dense sedge]

the combat patrols are just two of the small knights right?

[rocky shale]

The all-infantry combat patrols against two knights seems hilarious

[floral herald]

Yeah

[tired cairn]

It'd be kind of cool tech if they had strats your opponent could use to help damage or otherwise deal with them

[floral herald]

They are pretty big and tough but they are also a 24 wound KT

Which I think is low

Fuck, combat patrol not kill team haha

A 24 wound KT would be pure ass lol

[bold halo]

man I never would've called it but I think I'm committing to biel tan as a craftworld because of Lore

and I love their thorny vine motifs ngl

[floral herald]

They look so good

I like their lore too

My fav eldar

[bold halo]

like they're THE aspect warrior and avatar of khaine craftworld, and if I want to branch off into ynnari stuff they came from biel-tan too

[sour sequoia]

I think if I ever was gonna play eldar I'd paint iyanden for myself, but Biel-Tan is just straightforward good colors and motif

[bold halo]

god translating the thorn motifs over to the bright red ynnari armor?

peak

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

[bold halo]

plus an excuse to buy incubi, I don't want to full blown play deldar but those models are GOOD

[sour sequoia]

incubi did almost solely convince me to play deldar, same brainrot

[floral herald]

The Secret Aspect

[bold halo]

scorpions 2

imagining a future where I actually build and paint minis and have mirrored craftworld/ynnari forces in contrasting but thematically tied paintjobs and man

I want to be that person

already committed to painting my avatar all shin godzilla-y so it'll be a dark red/purple/black centerpiece in a green army, which means my future yncarne gets to be green

at least the energy bits

has anyone cracked the code on a white paint that's actually good yet, or are they all still kind of chalky and shitty

[floral herald]

Pro Acryl titanium white is really good

[bold halo]

hell yeah picking that up asap

I have my sort of impulse buy two thin coats wave 3 I kickstarted to build off but it's definitely got some holes in the range for fundamentals

bottles are nice though, love that there's an agitator down in there

[floral herald]

I think Pro Acryl has those as well

[bold halo]

hellllll yes

love when the cool models are also good

[floral herald]

Yeah Yvraine Ynnari Incubi death stars are really menacing

[bold halo]

and she revives dudes every turn jfc

yvraine went from a list tax to really fucking scary looks like

like index yvraine wasn't bad but she wasn't this

oh she did revive minis before, she just gets d3+1 now instead of d3

still

[floral herald]

Yeah her new rule is really helpful for her

She always had a decent flamethrower and sword though

[bold halo]

and she can be attached to incubi, kabalites, wyches now instead of just guardians, other guardians, third kind of guardians, or harlequins

yeah once I've got the backbone of this craftworld list down I'm going for yvraine, visarch, incubi lol

comes off like a similar deathstar to wraithguard+spiritseer but fast

[mild glen]

taps mic
I honestly still believe that requiring a certain named hero in a detachment is a narrative failure

[floral herald]

Also various corsairs

But Corsairs aren’t great for a bodyguard imo

[bold halo]

broadly I might agree with you but the ynnari are a specific splinter faction/coalition that isn't on the same scale as most other factions

yeah corsairs are just guardian #3 tbh

you at least get a choice of one of two req'd hero units tho

[floral herald]

The old Yvraine deathstar was clowns I think

Traditionally, but that’s mostly because Incubi weren’t an option

[bold halo]

yeah that was the best option of the list, they didn't hate a 5+ fnp

what is strange is that the visarch isn't one of the options to lead a ynnari army solo

but I'll live

[jagged dawn]

puts Abbadon in the Fabius bile detachment

[floral herald]

Dogwalker Abaddon was the funniest one of those imo

(Chaos Knight list with Abaddon and a pile of War Dogs)

[mild glen]

You cannot convince me that the Ynarri are so small that Yvraine (or the Yncarne) are personally involved in every combat action.

[bold halo]

idk it just doesn't bother me in this specific case

[tired cairn]

They don't have a non-named Ynnari leader unfortunately

[bold halo]

could've been like, any autarch or farseer etc like craftworlders but they went the other way this time

[dense sedge]

did they loose access to bringing drukhari?

[bold halo]

no, they actually got stats for the units they can bring printed right into the eldar codex

listed as like, ynnari incubi, ynnari wyches, etc

ynnari are basically

must take yvraine or yncarne, can't take phoenix lords or avatar of khaine, get some deldar units

[tired cairn]

Oh, they could have definitely done ynnarri <eldar or dark eldar HQ> then

[bold halo]

always could've, didn't, is what it is

[rocky shale]

Yvraine with clowns was pretty spooky tho

[bold halo]

probably a thing of the past now tho, like you can take clowns in the ynnari detachment but they don't benefit from shit

and she's gone from a feel no pain buff to rerolls on wound rolls so honestly the swap over to incubi makes sense, inherently sturdier unit that absolutely loves the damage bump

[tired cairn]

Clowns not getting a benefit is unfortunate. Maybe Cegorach was getting jealous

The clown detachment ability giving you change through enemy models is very weird

[dense sedge]

Oh right the codex came out

Jeez they have a ton

[desert jay]

Oh is it out out?

[desert jay]

Oh huh, there's datasheets for Ynnari versions of Drukhari units in the book

[pulsar cairn]

That sounds cool

[pastel rampart]

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-the-old-world-rpg/exclusive

[past sphinx]

After imperium maledictum my faith in the "novel ruleset" is pretty low

Rock bottom even

[thin ibex]

?

what went wrong with maledictum?

[past sphinx]

In an attempt to be fast and "lite" it basically just makes the dm do 3 times the work

Most applicability in combat

[thin ibex]

oof, i have it but i havent really dug into it

[past sphinx]

Yeah, interesting ideas but it definitely isn't going to scratch a dark heresy 3.0 itch

Or much of any itch as far as I can tell

[floral herald]

It worked pretty well for me

[past sphinx]

Oh its perfectly serviceable I just couldn't find a reason to go back and run any more of it

A solid game for 6 to 8 months

[upper canopy]

Sounds like it's gonna be more like soulbound

[floral herald]

Oh is that also a D10 system?

[upper canopy]

Yeah

[solemn gull]

I'm hesitantly excited but I hope they don't herohammer it too much

[modest meadow]

I am deeply skeptical given their jank attempt to make a universal rulebook system that tried to adhoc merge Only War/Dark heresy/Black Crusade/Deathwatch all in one

[pulsar cairn]

that sounds like a bad idea

[modest meadow]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wrath_%26_Glory_(RPG_series)

yeaah...

hey so how would one go about making a list for imperial guard digitally given that currently all the repository stuff seems to be out of date

[tired cairn]

The second edition of W&G is a lot better. Though they kind of memory holed the first edition by bit even calling the new one second edition lol

[pastel rampart]

Updating an ancient conversion.

[tired cairn]

I guess it's eating him and but the man chest bursting out

[pastel rampart]

He's eating him, yeah.

[tired cairn]

That's some pretty good greenstuff work

[pastel rampart]

A very old chaos giant from...15? years ago.

[tired cairn]

I am... not very good at sculpting so I'm a bit jealous, ha

[pastel rampart]

Hah. I'm not sure I'd do this again because it took soooooo goddamn long but I was happy enough with it this long after to go "yeah I don't have to do much to this."

[tired cairn]

It's always great when past you did hard work, ha

[pastel rampart]

My original Beast of Chaos army was mostly minotaurs so when the plastic giant kit came out I was like "heeeeeeeeeey I got this old metal mino head..."

[tired cairn]

I'm surprised you didn't fully strip the old paint off first

[pastel rampart]

That was as much of the old paint as I could get off it.

I'm gonna prime it black anyway so it'll cover everything up no problem. Not too concerned there.

Originally it had a whip from the LotR Balrog kit and while that looked cool, that whip is as long as the giant is tall and that made things very annoying.

[tired cairn]

It's too late now, but with metal models, you use pure acetone and it should strip literally all the paint off without damaging the model

[pastel rampart]

Oh I'm aware, I just didn't want to yank off the metal parts and have to reglue it all.

[floral herald]

I think I'm finally getting good at airbrushing

Without needing to clean it for a while after

[tired cairn]

Oh, have you been doing detail work with it?

[floral herald]

Not a lot yet it's my substitute for spray cans and such as well since the weather for those is never good

But I can jam it up just fine basecoating haha

[sour sequoia]

Ironblaster being in the spearhead is kinda funny

Subassembly necessary to get a decent paintjob is diabolical

I aint even done decking out the wagon 🫠

[thin ibex]

so im learning 3 land raiders is very potent

[paper bluff]

Are you remembering to tank shock?

[thin ibex]

havent needed to use yet, they've been eviscerating with their guns

their precious cargo were angry blood claws

[tired cairn]

I've used my airbrush for some smoother transitions for highlighting relatively large, smooth areas (like tentacles or zoanthroape tails) without too much issue. I also used it for OSL without missing too badly (but I need to not be lazy and finish it with manual brush highlighting).

If you remember to block the overspray, large areas where you can either go past or start in the middle and then "feel" your way around are pretty easy. I'm in awe of the people who can do small areas and know precisely where the paint will land without leading

I also really like it for using washes to do shadows as a last step

[floral herald]

Oh I'll keep that in mind

[jagged dawn]

Hmm, think we’ll proxy Mark VI tactical marines for most of our space wolves army to be honest. At least when it comes to all the grey hunters

Just slap some appropriately wolfy 3D printed parts on and call it a day

[pastel rampart]

mk4 armor is relatively easy to find on ebay too.

[floral herald]

https://youtu.be/yx61xeDV_60

Learning a lot from the comments here

[pastel rampart]

I too would march to war over good soup.

https://tenor.com/view/soup-mode-seinfeld-gotta-focus-gif-12225708972448345001

[thin ibex]

so my army is largely disintegrated by round 3 BUT my land raiders are untouched

my wolf guard got buried under boyz

[finite compass]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-cato-sicarius-i-cato-sicarius-skill-swordsman-gif-18440906

[floral herald]

orks is made for fighting and winning

[thin ibex]

i have a big scor advantage cause of tactical

but they have one massive boys unit ready still in it's transport

[thin ibex]

Game over by round 4 by concession, in a strong shooting and fight phase I had obliterated his forces in the center and even with a remaining kill rig he had no way to come out on top

All 3 of my raiders were pretty much in prestine condition

[bright dove]

https://tenor.com/view/father-ted-brick-love-my-brick-gif-13851926

In regards to Land Raiders.

[thin ibex]

They are so good, especially against orks who lack good tools to kill them at range

Loosely it was
3x Land Raiders
2x 10 blood claws
1x 10 Wolf guard
1x Scouts
3x 5 Grey Hunters
1x 5 intercessors
1x Ragnar
1x Chaplain
1x Librarian
2x Wolf Guard Pack Leader

Vs

2x Kill Rig
1x Gargantuan squiggoth
2x 20 beast snagga boys
1x 15 boys
1x 6 squighog boys
1x beast boss on squigasaur
1x warboss

I think the gargantuan squiggoth was just not a good pick for the face off

12 lascannon shots on demand made short work of it before it could really get to grips

[past sphinx]

Only thing better is a spartan and thats just a double land raider!

[thin ibex]

Conceivably I could have run a flamer variant but 6 lascannons was all my AT

Well ranged AT

And their guns were firing unobstructed for every turn

Every round*

I do think I want to try retooling the list to use 3 of the space wolf flying bricks

Stormwolves

[thin ibex]

silly but insane theory

Leman russ left the chapter to have his spirit divided into ever leman russ tank ever

every*

[glad spear]

Russ comes back as a wulfen

Would be a little cool, but I'm not a big space wolves guy so idk

[thin ibex]

as a big sw fan, i would not hate it if leman came back monstrous somehow. I suspect that wont be the case

Narratively, I do think Leman should be changed if he comes back

though i think its likely inevitable that he does

[pastel rampart]

I'd be fine if he could turn into a wulfen like the archetypical werewolf, but that'd mean two models and I don't want to give GW that idea.

[thin ibex]

It's like, Lion got old, Roboute is unchanged because he's been in stasis since his moment of near death

[jaunty dawn]

Aos used to have morathi shapeshift

Now she just has two bodies

[pastel rampart]

About the only ones who shouldn't be old by now are:

• Vulkan: he's a perpetual, they don't really age
• Corax: he's turned into more of a warp creature than primarch so I don't think age really uh...matters lmao
• Khan: He got lost in the webway, and that has weird temporal elements to it; it's possible that if he wasn't taken by the Deldar that he hasn't meaningfully aged, but that's something of a stretch.
• Sanguinius: Technically dead! But his body has survived and hasn't rotted away one bit despite not being in stasis, so I'm making that count for arbitrary reasons.

Alpharius/Omegaon is a big ol' ??? on if either one of them actually died and if they've survived 10,000 years. If they have they're probably taking advantage of the temporal nonsense of the warp to not really age.

[thin ibex]

I mean, leman also rode off to the warp, he could also not have aged or have aged a huge amount

I mean I guess we don't know that for sure

[pastel rampart]

he went off to the Eye of Terror but who knows if he actually made it there.

[floral herald]

Dorn, if alive, may also be in the eye of terror and might have ??? Age

[quaint compass]

Leman went into the Eye and comes out ten thousand years later right away

Exist it right into the debris of Cadia like:

https://tenor.com/view/community-chaos-chaotic-fire-gif-17636558

[solemn gull]

Would he even know what cadia is? Like was cadia a big enough thing by M33 or whenever he disappeared.

[quaint compass]

Probably going by the furthest real-space path like going upriver into a harbor

Gotta navigate, yo

[floral herald]

At the end of the Horus Heresy Cadia was a lifeless rock

[solemn gull]

Yeah I assumed it wasn’t “re-discovered” yet at this point

[floral herald]

No it was blown by cyclonic torpedo at some point during the heresy

[glad spear]

Warp creature corax would go so hard

[solemn gull]

Ohhh

[glad spear]

Or like imperial daemon or whatever they call it

[floral herald]

Or scoured at least

[quaint compass]

"Hey, there was a planet here."
"What's Horus' whelp doing here?"

[floral herald]

The original population worshipped chaos and Lorgar met with them

[solemn gull]

That’s why they have purple eyes right? It’s a minor chaos mutation?

[floral herald]

Yes AIUI

[quaint compass]

Ye

[tired cairn]

Huh, I didn't know the Imperium had the terraforming tech to restore a lifeless planet

Though I guess it's a lot easier if most of the atmosphere remains intact?

Lemen being spat out into the asteroid field that is Cadia but not knowing the significance of it would be funny though

[quaint compass]

https://tenor.com/view/wiper-car-raining-gif-6168549

[mental birch]

Cawl novel?

[tired cairn]

As it is in that novel or could be a novel?

[floral herald]

I guess they just waiting a few millennia and the moss grew back or something

I don’t think it was a super “complete” attack

Interestingly both the original and current cadians have violet eyes

[desert jay]

I forgot that Sanguinius's body was still intact

[solemn gull]

Actually I think it’s just a thing that happens due to living right next to the eye of terror

[floral herald]

in universe conspiracy theory where you think the extirminatus of cadia was falsified and the cadians are actually all descended from chaos worshippers who convinced Lorgar to join them

[desert jay]

(Aside from being like impaled several times and cruicified post-mortem)

[floral herald]

either they’re converts (and good warriors of chaos born imperial soldiers) or they’re FAKING it

[desert jay]

The OGs were faking it but millennia later their descendants have known nothing else

[pine matrix]

Fuck I didn't even think about Al and/or Om. I'm kinda imagining him as an aged spy master on some planet

Has he grown a big mustache of scheming

[runic swallow]

You fool, they clearly have a goatee of scheming

The prime facial hair of scheming!

[pine matrix]

Of course, you're right

[tired cairn]

The world was too strategically important to glass and then slowly restore!

[floral herald]

Huh

Kinda makes sense

[tired cairn]

Extra unhinged version: Blowing up Cadia was an inside job because people were being too close to the truth!

Though, a world that has a bunch of sealed off lower areas because it's proof that it used to be filled with chaos worshippers would be a neat scenario

[pulsar cairn]

is the warp a thing in fantasy?

Or the chaos gods have a different named thingy there?

[floral herald]

The realm of chaos is the sort of equivalent

But it’s not quite the same because people don’t FTL through it

Though it’s also the source of magic

[pulsar cairn]

That was my next questiom so the wizards there interact with it to cast spells?

[jaunty dawn]

did the old ones ftl through it

[tired cairn]

It's also not colocated with the physical world right? You have to go to the edges or whatever to get there?

[floral herald]

We don’t know but it’s plausible

The warp was chill back then

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[floral herald]

I think so yeah it’s like another dimension which connects at the poles

[jaunty dawn]

or wait i think aos answers this

[tired cairn]

I guess they are technically the same setting. But they aren't really the same setting

[jaunty dawn]

cause the realmspheres are based on the winds of magic but 'space' itself is a different thing

[floral herald]

I think it’s a little different in AoS vs fantasy

I’m not sure though

[jaunty dawn]

I mean fantasy is canon to aos

even if the opposite isn't necessarily true but like

yeah

[tired cairn]

How much did blowing up the world change the cosmology?

[pulsar cairn]

?

[jaunty dawn]

my point is basically that aos makes a distinction between calm unaligned 'warp' and chaotic magic 'warp'

[tired cairn]

Are the realmspheres in AoS finite in size?

[jaunty dawn]

no but yes

its like. minecraft farlands

[floral herald]

Oh yeah I think that’s broadly the same between them

[jaunty dawn]

but the world devolves into pure magic of that colour

rather than a mortal reality

[tired cairn]

Ah, ok that checks out

[jaunty dawn]

there's a barrier at its limit but idk if there's like

a finite space to reach the barrier type thing

[floral herald]

Yeah there’s like finite size habitable areas before things get Really Weird

[jaunty dawn]

but several factions travel the aetheric void. notably the slann who just took off in their spaceships

as their end times survival method

[tired cairn]

(reminds me of Exalted's Creation)

[paper bluff]

I know I'm late but a leman russ werewolf ala special giant albino wulfen would be pretty cool

And the SW have to hunt and lock him down every time

You might say "wouldn't that be just a loyalist angron from the crusade? " yes

[pastel rampart]

I wish Wulfen had better models.

The original metal ones in 3e were actually pretty cool in a subdued sort of way. Then they decided they needed to be prancin' about on tactical rocks and just, I dunno it looks goofy and not in a fun way.

[tired cairn]

How new are the current ones?

[pastel rampart]

2016

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Space_Wolves Lexicanum has an almost exhaustive list of models released per year.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/6/66/WulfenMini.jpg Like I said, 3e ones are pretty neat.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/f/f0/WulfenSquad.jpg These, though...

[paper bluff]

They should be more wolf like

[tired cairn]

Oh, probably still a bunch of years left in them unfortunately

[pastel rampart]

Probably, though a Leman Russ who's also a giant wulfen would probably include a refresh of those.

[tired cairn]

It is kind of funny they are doing the jump infantry pose with no jet packs

[pastel rampart]

YMCA dance.

[tired cairn]

Someone who is better than me at kitbashing should make that

[pastel rampart]

I've seen people kitbash them with primaris and they look way better as a result.

https://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2018/3/9/935960-Space Marines%2C Space Wolfs.jpg

[tired cairn]

I like those poses a lot more

[pastel rampart]

The big thing imo is ditching the wolf-feet. Having arms and head, maybe torso too, look wolf-like works fine and still gives a feral look to them--they're more "wolf-man" than werewolf, which is what I imagine wulfen to be.

[glad spear]

What's stopping me from hot dropping a Taunar supremacy armor

[pastel rampart]

Nothing, and you should do it for laughs.

[jaunty dawn]

it's more walking on from off screen

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/bigo-anime-power-gif-12318956

Or rising from below.

[modest meadow]

Abso-fucking-lutely nothing. Do it and make someone shit themselves in raw fury and fear.

[jaunty dawn]

Like you can put stormsurge in strategic reserves in a 2000 pt game anyway

[modest meadow]

if the rules allow it and you think it'll be funny, go for it :3

[pulsar cairn]

did the old ones leave the galaxy? or did they get wiped out before they could?

in fantasy they just left right?

[rocky shale]

Just finished my first game as aspect host on the new codex

Lost 83-65 against guard that were cavalry heavy but also slammed a shadowsword

Fuegan solo'd it but died from deadly demise after already getting back up once to finish it off

[paper bluff]

The 40k it's because of warp fauna (not daemons, those didn't exist yet really) called enslavers

The old ones died out

The Enslavers had their most profound impact on the galaxy in a catastrophic event known as the "Enslaver Plague" that occurred some 60 million standard years before the present. As a result of the tactics employed in the War in Heaven that was fought between the Old Ones, their allied psychic servant races and the Necrons, the Immaterium became greatly destabilised. This resulted in a sudden rush of Enslavers into the physical universe through the living gateways provided by the minds of the Aeldari and the other psychic servant species of the Old Ones.

[bright dove]

It's what made the Necrons go "Fuck it, we'll sleep."

[past sphinx]

the best loyalist designs are the ones you cant tell if their loyalists

[paper bluff]

Yeah. The enslavers were going whole hog on the incredibly psychic old ones and like any predators that suddenly have an excess amount of food, population explosion.

[floral herald]

Dead link sorry

[jagged dawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/kitto-paint.bsky.social/post/3lef2r25rns2t

KITTO (@kitto-paint.bsky.social)

skitarii catgirl

Bluesky

01001110 01111001 01100001

[floral herald]

😮

[uneven ember]

(goat & burd)

[jagged dawn]

And some more by Kitto

[jaunty dawn]

Knife handsss

[pale narwhal]

kitto does such good admech

[mild glen]

Which 40k faction is the most... Skaven-ey?
I'm thinking either Orks or Tyranids

[floral herald]

Astra Militarum

• horde army with disposable units
• whacky guns and oodles of them
• rat ogres
• little guys
• gas bombs
• friendly fire enabled

Tyranids are actually the lizardmen of 40k

[jagged dawn]

We’d also have to say astra militarum or GSC

[floral herald]

Case in point

[brittle salmon]

GSC is the most skaven-y by far I think

[jagged dawn]

GSC just needs a consistent way to blow themselves up and then it’ll be a 1-1

[mild glen]

You know, I was so wrapped up in the IG being Cities of Sigmar that I didn't consider this angle

[floral herald]

GSC is also super Skaveny yeah, and they also have a subterranean angle

[brittle salmon]

• disposable shitcan infantry that respawn
• shockingly good ranged firepower from cobbled together sources
• weird big monster man secretly running the show
• tons of flanking and sneaky stuff
• abominants rat ogres

[mild glen]

I'm convinced

[jagged dawn]

There’s even an online precedent

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/s/XJmivKOvdc

[mental birch]

Cheesestealer cults!

[sour sequoia]

mechanics or aesthetics

mechanics it's GSC and sometimes admech

aesthetics it's Orkz and Admech

[pulsar cairn]

I see

[desert jay]

Yeah AdMech has a surprising amount of thematic overlap

Digging around in the dirt, messing with tech they only somewhat understand, grafting cybernetics to themselves, and shooting radiation-powered jezails at enemies

[pastel rampart]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGGauHEtRSA/?igsh=MWJtOWozbGhpazZ1dA%3D%3D Hella nice color scheme

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[jaunty dawn]

How many brutes is that

The hound riders are cool

[pastel rampart]

A lot of brutes!

[jaunty dawn]

8 i think

Some of the repeating poses are really getting to me agh

[pastel rampart]

That's just an unfortunate issue with miniatures sometimes. Especially GW stuff over the past decade and some change.

[jaunty dawn]

Idk I feel like the big models especially they could’ve done something. Given they’re already converting them

[pastel rampart]

True.

[jaunty dawn]

I could understand not wanting to mess with the old big flesh hound thing but the mutaliths at least

Probably matters less when theyre not lined up together

[pastel rampart]

I also feel a lot is forgiven when you have a fully-painted army all laid out.

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722865032391819305/1341284594510467092/480228989_9181457325269973_4115671730977341615_n.png?ex=67b5701f&is=67b41e9f&hm=1098e68b544c9a9bdee915484c203f9e96084991acb60815d0ce5da1db2f413d&

[junior robin]

finally, brain eaters primaris lieutenant

my money is on plastic ogre kingdom butcher

[pastel rampart]

Yeah that's ogres.

That or more flesh eater courts.

[past sphinx]

Chorfs.

always a chance

[junior robin]

the dream would be some destruction aligned ogre-eating halflings

[dense sedge]

Could be krulboyz as well

[thin ibex]

wwthats an interesting Flesh Tearer's primaris lieutenant

[junior robin]

I mean technically all marines would eat a brain since they can get information from them.

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz1LiiyN5lM

I...honestly don't know why I never thought of this, hah.

[jagged dawn]

Alright we’ve finished the ravenor trilogy and can’t find the bequin books online (at least, not the first one)

So we’ve elected to read Gaunt’s ghosts

we’re really managing to hit up all the Dan Abnett novels huh?

[solemn gull]

Ghosts is really good

[thin ibex]

Dan Abnett is is kind of prolific in the warhammer fiction space. His writing style seems to be polarizing for fans and if you liked one example you'll probably like his other works in the universe

[past sphinx]

Gaunt has the power of making roughly 30% of a book really good

[past sphinx]

I just can't look past Ibrahim "imperium winning the wars with a super weapon is bad" Gaunt

[finite compass]

Ibrahm "Imperium winning the wars with a super-forbidden abominable intelligence superweapon that's been visibly and obviously corrupted by chaos is bad" Gaunt, more like. 😛

[past sphinx]

while we know that they are chaos tainted men of iron i dont think he knows that, his particular objection is that the imperium would use them for like doing imperium things

[brittle salmon]

I mean they were also visibly chaos corrupted

[past sphinx]

yeah but thats not his objection to them

thats a maintenance issue

[brittle salmon]

i think you're getting a bit hung up on it

[quaint compass]

Men of Iron are still vilified by the Imperium, even without corruption ala Chaose

[brittle salmon]

and it's a misremembering of the events anyway - Gaunt's objection is specifically that worlds upon worlds will die if it's not destroyed, not that the Imperium will use it as a tool of conquest

based on the information that the soothsayer gave him 20 years ago, and I mean, he would have done it anyway based on the whole Chaos thing, tbh

[quaint compass]

and if they didn't obey orders

[tranquil ivy]

God firestorm is tough to use. Might swap to stormlance but it doesnt fully fit the vibe of my space marines (yes, i changed them AGAIN)

[lofty warren]

Behold

[upper bluff]

Is that a Khorne pug

that's amazing

[pastel rampart]

Moo Deng the hippo actually

https://tenor.com/view/moo-deng-moo-deng-bite-moo-deng-biting-moo-deng-cute-moo-deng-hippo-gif-4173826080546832990

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-moo-deng-the-bloodthirsthy-417014

[runic swallow]

Yeah it’s a joke that Moo Deng is a bloodthirsty demon

Well, “joke,” we see how she gnaws on her keepers

[pastel rampart]

Yeah it's not much of a joke knowing how many people die to hippos each year.

Hippos will fuck you up

[runic swallow]

Yeah, hippos have a lot of interface with humans, are territorial, and are made of blubber and muscle able to sink your small boat on a whim

[balmy wave]

to be fair that's mostly the sort of hippos you get in africa

cos safari-goers don't know to fear hippos

they deserve the respect and fear that we show to sharks

[upper canopy]

I think part of it is aalso that Moo Deng often seems stressed out in her interactions with her keepers

[runic swallow]

Oh, no, they mostly hurt/kill people who do work on rivers, not safari-goers

Mostly since they are the people in contact with them most often

[pulsar cairn]

Giv hippo themed space marine chapter

[thin ibex]

i kinda wish i could play grand cathay in aos tabletop lol

[pastel rampart]

Closest you can get to Cathay in any GW game is Warmaster.

[paper bluff]

I heard rumor of them developing the faction for old world

[still warren]

Oh it's 100% coming, that's cathayan cliffs

Probably could use them as CoS when they finally release

[jaunty dawn]

They were meant to then they got like cancelled and now theyre being teased again

Rollercoaster

[pastel rampart]

My gut feeling is that the cancel/uncancel is due to some weird infighting between the TOW and AoS team on who gets to claim the model sales.

[jaunty dawn]

I think its cause old world went from a reboot to a revival to a successful revival which can now actually sustain the beginning of a reboot

[pastel rampart]

Possibly.

[sour sequoia]

God. High elves may actually get me buying Old World

The scene in my neck of the woods is the most thoroughly chuddy segment so I’ve been kinda loathe to look at it

[pastel rampart]

Peel off the non-chuddy members and deny the chuds anyone else to play other than themselves.

They tend to die on the vine when that happens.

[brittle salmon]

Anyone here play GSC since the Cult Ambush changes? They seem really interesting

Looking to cobble together a Brood Brothers Auxilia or Final Day list

[tired cairn]

Oh, random fact I just learnt: Crimson Hunter is the title for the pilots (who are aspect warriors). The jet is a Nightshade Interceptor

[bold halo]

yeah that one threw me

[floral herald]

I waaaant to

[thin ibex]

What's the breakdown on their detachments?

Gsc I mean

[brittle salmon]

Host of Ascension - Index detach, sneaky shit that buffs units coming in from reinforcements
Xenocreed Congregation - Infantry spam with a character focus, but specifically Magi, Primi, and Acolyte Iconwards
Biosanctic Broodsurge - focuses on the most alien strains, Abominants/Purestrain stealers
Outlander Claw - Focuses on the vehicles/mounted units in the faction
Brood Brothers Auxilia - Astral Militarum 50% allied detach, encourages close range AM units that help set up GSC ones for better shooting with the ability
Final Day - Tyranid vanguard invaders 50% allied detach, the nids consume GSC models to heal and GSC gain bonuses to hit vs. models near them

[thin ibex]

Huh neat

I wanna try list building for those, I favor outlander but final day seems cool too

[uneven ember]

okay that last one rules

also I cannot read "outlander" without hearing that line from Children of the Corn

[brittle salmon]

Final Day is extremely cool yeah

It's the last remnants of a genestealer cult being hollowed out by the hive mind and used as cannon fodder in the opening stages of an invasion

Every Genestealer Cultist wishes to witness the Star Children’s arrival and ascend to join them in blessed oneness. They believe this will be a transcendent experience, a sublime reward for their devotion. The reality is altogether more hideous. As the Tyranids approach through the void, the utterly alien Hive Mind assimilates the more nuanced Broodmind of the cult. Many faithful die from psionic shock. Others are freed from Tyranid mind control only to go mad with horror as the truth is revealed. The rest become short-lived puppets for the first waves of Tyranid vanguard organisms descending on their world. Exerting its will to make them fight harder and move faster, the Hive Mind swiftly burns out these surviving faithful, harvesting each flicker of bioenergy to reinvigorate its more valuable Tyranid organisms.

[uneven ember]

dope
I get the option to have some GSC decide this was always a bad idea (the answer to "why would 'nids and GSC fight," like all "why would X and Y fight" questions in 40K, should never be "they wouldn't") but I've always really preferred them being entirely on board with it

there was a moment from... I think it was the Eternals comics, back in like the 00s, where the bad guys are trying to awaken the evil dark guy & the hero is just trying to go "but you'll all die too!"
& the head bad guy just goes "of course. Is there really nothing you would be willing to die for? I pity you if that's true."

[dense sedge]

I've been in a crusade

I like it, more consistent even though the fact that the blips are pretty useless

[jagged dawn]

Y’know we’d be tempted to test-build a Tanith inspired army if only new recruit had the updated Astra Militarum rules

[thin ibex]

would be fun to do a tanith list with the recon element and gaunts ghosts

dont know what units id use tho

i dont remember them having a lot of auxiliaries or armor

[jaunty dawn]

They have some consolidated elements I think

But yeah pretty much just like

Counts as catachan infantry and sentinels i guess

Proxy for engineers would probably be good

Just fluffing the better armour as even better camouflage

Field ordnance battery maybe?

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1342136226932723854/480710399_10162303940347641_8942250562079381686_n.png?ex=67b88944&is=67b737c4&hm=937e8fe179e0168ba0ddb1589513155cef10606de09700902e5139001c91f620&

[jaunty dawn]

Sly marbo because gaunts ghosts themselves dont get the benefits of recon element lmao

Elysians not reprinted in the new legends doc :(

Must be so tiresome copy and pasteing units into a digital file…

[mental birch]

The ultimate curse of we don't sell it we don't stat it

[thin ibex]

bring normal snipers or rifleman and use ratling stats also

[jaunty dawn]

Theyve already statted it though

[thin ibex]

but i guess they also dont get recon

[jaunty dawn]

Which I am willing to give credit for

[thin ibex]

could bring a themed vindicare

[jaunty dawn]

They just removed it from the file that costs them pennies to host

[thin ibex]

kasrkin might be neat too, since they have a sniper could just use alternative models that look more tanithy

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

More scout units too

And like, veteran self sufficiency

Idk why wahapedia feels the need to delete units when gw does though, rather than yknow. Serving as a mirror for when gw drops the ball

[thin ibex]

could just do what they do with legends and fw and give them a little icon so you know they're not in play anymore

[jaunty dawn]

Not like anyone who plays with legends is gonna care it was only in the legends index

Yeah

[deft crest]

Me explaining to my boyfriend Why i like bloodletters on bloodbeasts and with bloodthirsters blood altar without sounding like i'm having a stroke

[paper bluff]

The space wolf player would be in a similar boat

And literal boat

[verbal tangle]

ehehehehe

I am working on a thing

[valid brook]

Nailed the style, spot on

[verbal tangle]

If by nailed, you mean "pretty much just traced with some alterations" then thank you, yes, hahahha

[quartz heron]

I played a game of Space Hulk 4e yesterday.

Its a fun game!
My terminators lost the game due to poor positioning and I was swarmed by genestealers.

[uneven ember]

nice!

[paper bluff]

Is that the current edition? I've liked playing the copy I have

[solemn gull]

what did you bring?

[uneven ember]

https://bsky.app/profile/phillyinsomniac.bsky.social/post/3lin4z5gkzk2a

(@phillyinsomniac.bsky.social)

...AND SO TO EACH LEGION ITS GREAT FUNCTION AND PURPOSE, THAT TOGETHER THEY WILL CLEAVE TOGETHER THE SCATTERED WORLDS OF MAN, ACCORDING TO MY DESIGN.

"And exactly what function and purpose, my lord, calls for the prettyboy vampires?"

MAL I SWEAR TO FUCK YOU ARE GOING TO LET ME HAVE THIS

Bluesky · Feb 20, 2025, 8:30 PM

[pastel rampart]

Ready to be repainted.

Slapped on some shields here and there, a banner as a loincloth, and bulked up the shoulder area.

[quartz heron]

I had a Flamer, Chainfist, Assault Cannon, Sergeant, 2 Normal

[pulsar cairn]

Was badab war the one with the lamenters and mantis lads?

[valid brook]

Among others, yeah

[pulsar cairn]

Right

I have a different question now

Vraks started with like a priest gaining a lot of power right? When exactly did they switch to chaos?

[jaunty dawn]

Slightly unclear

[valid brook]

Oooh, I can actually answer this in detail. I have IA vols. 5 & 6 on the desk

[pulsar cairn]

yaaaaay

Also your name is very fitting for this situation

[valid brook]

Cardinal Xaphan takes over the top ecclesiastical role for the Scarus sector upon the death of his predecessor and decides to make a tour of his new diocese

A cardinal is a big deal, his retinue is huge, and this tour quickly develops into a sort of a pilgrimage of the faithful

[pulsar cairn]

Right

[floral herald]

While you’re at it - why Vraks?

[pulsar cairn]

Hehe Cyan also curious

[jaunty dawn]

Military depot planet

[brittle salmon]

that question was directed at you Skully, I think

[valid brook]

Xaphan is touring and seeing the fanatical devotion he inspires in these thousands of pilgrims just by Being There,

[floral herald]

To elaborate why did he wind up bunkered down on Vraks when the exciting part happened

[valid brook]

This is a function of imperial culture and not through any particular charisma on his part; his mere presence on your planet is a sort of Faith Made Flesh and I’m sure his giant retinue with all the demand for food and fuel and luxury goods and parchment and wax and incense has a remarkable effect on your local economy as well,

Anyways our good cardinal is really struck by the apparent power he wields over The People just by being there, thinking “man I could do a lot of the emperor’s will out here at the head of an army of the faithful”

And he’s got a vaguely sinister advisor who’s whispering this kind of thing in his ear, Deacon Mamon

And you gotta watch out, because building an army of the faithful is unambiguously Against the Law on account of that whole “Age of Apostasy” thing

And the inquisitors will wet you up old style if they catch you doing that sort of thing

So it’s straight up X-Files Trust No One and Xaphan & Co decide to set up shop on Vraks

[pulsar cairn]

@floral herald was the question directed at me?

[valid brook]

It’s under his purview, it’s already a future stop on his tour of the diocese, and it just happens to be an armory world and also a major pilgrimage site with a basilica (ie. official residence for yr boy)

[floral herald]

No

[pulsar cairn]

Oh alright, good to know!

Sorry for the ping

[floral herald]

Ah, that’s what I was missing I forgot it was a pilgrimage site

[valid brook]

So of course it’s cool for him to set up shop there, the whole planet is dedicated to St. Leonis the Blind and naturally the pilgrimage would end up these

Total coincidence that this is also a pre-staged strong point where you could hole up and arm your growing Army of the Faithful if you’re into that kind of thing

[pulsar cairn]

And from what we know it seems like he was into that

[valid brook]

So things develop in a predictable manner: the Ordo Hereticus identifies him as A Problem and taps him for assassination

But, the assassin fails to close the deal— Xaphan survives, and this is the perfect pretense for his regime to depose whatever legitimate authority remains on Vraks

[pulsar cairn]

Right by then he takes power, but at that point they still see themselves as devoted to the emperor right?

[valid brook]

You could still reasonably slice this as a “civil war” at this point

Xaphan is pretty much secluded with his inner circle all the time at this point; they’re paranoid and mad with power but that’s also a pretty normal state of affairs for legitimate authority in the Imperium

The only distinction is that They really are out to get him and in a huge way; they’re drawing up a massive invasion of Vraks on the strength of his heresy being “ecclesiastical authority raising an army and making a power play in the Scarus sector”

[pulsar cairn]

Right

[valid brook]

He’s already off the wagon a bit; his cadre of elite troops are swearing an oath to him personally, and he’s released all the psykers being held for the next black ship and declared that these are ‘his children’

Doing what he’s been doing appears to have opened him up to some kind of malign influence but it is not super explicit in the text yet

Anyways this is the situation on the ground when the 88th Siege Army lands unopposed on the far side of Vraks

[pulsar cairn]

Arent the black ships part of thr tithe?

I imagine that pisses off the imperium even more if so

[valid brook]

All tithing is out the window by that point and likely nobody off-planet knows that he’s done it because Vraks cut all contact with the wider Imperium following the assassination attempt,

But yeah, that’s both extremely against policy and also kinda actively dangerous to everybody involved

Skip a bit,

Eight years into the siege, an Alpha Legion warband under one Lord Arkos lands on Vraks disguised as loyalists (chapter not named in the text)

They pass through Imperial lines under pretense and present themselves to the defenders on the same terms; we’ve come to the aid of the faithful

[pulsar cairn]

Fricking alpha legion

i imagine that is when they start opening themselves to chaos corruption

[valid brook]

It’s all downhill from there

They’re running the show behind the scenes, Xaphan is a puppet locked in the basilica,

It’s one of those things that happens slowly and then all at once

The ruinous powers are not unmasked on Vraks until the siege has already been underway for a decade

[pulsar cairn]

right....

So it took a while before they started marking themselves with chaos symbols and etc

[valid brook]

And it’s mentioned in the text that the rebel troops probably have no idea why they’re painting eight-pointed stars on everything, at first

Would the Cardinal steer us wrong? Must be fine

[pulsar cairn]

Oooooh so they didnt even know what they meant

[valid brook]

It’s not like Joe Laborer who turns big rocks into little rocks for a living and eats corpse starch would know what that shape means

[pulsar cairn]

Fair fair

[valid brook]

Both general and specific knowledge of what the ruinous powers are and do is highly controlled information in Imperial society at large

[paper bluff]

Less so now what with the citrix maladictum in the sky

[valid brook]

Whatever tf that is

[pulsar cairn]

Funny space thing

[valid brook]

My encyclopaedic knowledge of 40k fluff is permanently frozen circa ~2012 and I will not learn new things about the setting

No disk space available

[pulsar cairn]

[paper bluff]

Oh it's the warp rift that does across the milky way

[solemn gull]

Yeah it’s so silly it makes all of space 2d

[valid brook]

attn. James Workshop:

[uneven ember]

"Deacon Mamon" wow I wonder if he's a bad guy i love 40k so much

[valid brook]

"I know writers who use subtext and they’re all cowards”

[uneven ember]

40K writers be like "none would have questioned the loyalty of their most devoted rising star, Malevolous Iturnt Raytor."

[solemn gull]

"Oh no the puppy kickers turned to chaos? If only there was a sign!"

I really love when they flip that on it's head though. Like there's really not a difference which side they are on besides how many spikes they have.

[mild glen]

We never saw the betrayal coming from Planetary Governor Baksta Abbur, truly.
But was truly shocking was that his advisor Neechans Pie was the true mastermind

[uneven ember]

Night Lords, Flesh Tearers, Marines Malevolent...

[jaunty dawn]

grima wyrmtongue has an illustrious career in advising and I will brook no aspersions against him

[paper bluff]

Hey! The flesh tearers are loyal sons of sanguinius

[uneven ember]

who's chapter who got banished because they kept getting accused of going renegade but nobody could tell if they were Chaos Marines who fought a lot of xenos or loyalist BA successors who did more than the usual amount of teamkilling?

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[brittle salmon]

Knights of Blood?

I think?

[solemn gull]

I love the marines malevolent so much

[uneven ember]

yes! Knights of Blood

[brittle salmon]

Knew that sounded familiar

[valid brook]

I lied, I have room in my heart for exactly one new(ish) piece of fluff: the Marines Malevolent being exactly the roided-out jackboot thug asshole space marines from RT brought back to life in current year

[finite compass]

As for what happens next.

By the time the Siege Army hits the last big defensive line, Xaphan and Co. are completely off the rails thanks to Mamon and Arkos's influence, so he uses all those Psykers he let out to basically set up a big "GLORY TO THE GODS HERE" beacon.

Which, Chaos being Chaos and the Warp being the Warp, not only attracts various warbands, but also throws them out of Eyespace basically right on top of Vraks

So by then, he's fully and openly Chaotic

And then is when the Imperial Navy token force that's basically been told "Here, blockade this planet that has no naval forces" realize they have multiple chaos fleets incoming, and when the army that was preparing for a costly, but predictable war of attrition starts getting Chaos Marines and Titans dropped on them

Shit Goes Down

And by the end of it, Xaphan himself is a Chaos Spawn and Mamon has pleased Nurgle so much with the sheer scale of death and calamity he's orchestrated that he becomes a Daemon Prince.

[uneven ember]

ahhh, good for him

[finite compass]

First book is very unclear when exactly things go full Chaos

But by book two when you have actual Khorne Berserkers and Plague Marines hitting the ground, nah

And it's also very explicit that the warbands that showed up as 'reinforcements' do not give a single shit about the actual Vraksian Renegades and whatever cause they may have. They are explicitly there to kill people and cause problems, because doing so honors Khorne/Nurgle

[uneven ember]

one of my favorite details about Badab War is that it's never clear when things (specifically Huron) go Chaos.
It could have happened at literally any point between "in the backstory" and "after he got melta'd"

[pastel rampart]

I choose to believe it was after because it'd be really, really funny for Huron to still be screaming "FUCK YOUR TAXES" even as he's being turned into The Incredible Melting Man.

[finite compass]

I think it was after.

The "We have nothing left, so let's burn it all down" point

[sour sequoia]

Got a game of ogors into Seraphon, Slann + reinforced kroxigor and reinforced aggradons. I got World Eaters Disease and lost for it

Instead of brain there is turn 1 charge

I think playing a lil more cautiously just so I can slam dunk every unit into combat at once is the play even if it means some shooting damage unless its like. Skaven

[uneven ember]

I also think Huron was getting into that sort of spiral where it's already gone to shit but he's just convinced there's something he can do to come out on top.

Like "okay I didn't get my Founding but if I can get the Maelstrom Sector the same kind of deal Ultrimar has I can make this work (especially if I fudge the 'thousand Marines' rule for a bit)"
"okay they're fighting it in court but as long as I get this done while it's still working through the system I can make this work"
"okay they ruled against me but I can keep appealing this in court and they need my taxes to keep fighting the case so as long as I can keep dragging this out I can make this work"
"we wiped out a treasure fleet they tried to run the Ring of Steel fuck okay fuck if I let the Inquisition see what I've been up to I'm fucked but if I can hold them off for a while and sue for peace I can make this work"

& it just keeps going and going until he's at "okay if i can just harvest enough enemy geneseed to offset my losses I can outlast them in attrition and they'll stop getting reinforcements and I can make this work

[past sphinx]

RIP Alan Bligh

the guy who made warhammer cool

hes responsible for a fuck load of how the horus heresy turned out iirc

[uneven ember]

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

yeah the problem with identifying when xaphan turns to chaos is the renegade pov pretty much ends when krieg shows up, unfortunately

[tranquil ivy]

Fighting a Dread Mob Ork army today chat i'm so doomed

[brittle salmon]

take bring it down and hope

[tranquil ivy]

I have no true anti vehicle units aaaaa

Gonna have to rely on Immolation Protocols

[brittle salmon]

is your list set?

[tranquil ivy]

Well yea

I dont have any proper anti vehicle units anyway

[brittle salmon]

oh well like, I didn't know this was a tournament

fair enough

[tranquil ivy]

Its not

Its a humble game at a gamestore. 1k points. I just don't wanna make a new list as I dont have anti-tank marines to begin with

[brittle salmon]

very fair

[paper bluff]

Grenades strat can do wonders since it's mortal wounds

[tranquil ivy]

Dread Mob Orks vs Firestorm Space Marines

[thin ibex]

its ok, bolters and flamers are better AT than lascannons tru story

no lie though i have found that for some reason storm bolters specifically chip wounds like no other when i fire them at vehicles

[pastel rampart]

Mass fire tends to do that.

[thin ibex]

i had an illfated all dread list where wulfen dread storm bolters were tearing down armor better than their claws for a bit lol

[thin ibex]

apparently vindicators are in now?

competetively

cause of the +1 to wound on oath of moment

[uneven ember]

https://bsky.app/profile/phillyinsomniac.bsky.social/post/3lin4z5gkzk2a

(@phillyinsomniac.bsky.social)

...AND SO TO EACH LEGION ITS GREAT FUNCTION AND PURPOSE, THAT TOGETHER THEY WILL CLEAVE TOGETHER THE SCATTERED WORLDS OF MAN, ACCORDING TO MY DESIGN.

"And exactly what function and purpose, my lord, calls for the prettyboy vampires?"

MAL I SWEAR TO FUCK YOU ARE GOING TO LET ME HAVE THIS

Bluesky · Feb 20, 2025, 8:30 PM

[unreal cosmos]

Black Templars army that actually represents a crusade that split off into their own chapter. Basically invert their whole gimmick by following an almost fairy-tale level of chivalry and benevolence. Call 'em the White Knights.

Keep getting into trouble with the Imperium for fighting against injustice but easy enough to manipulate that Inquisitors keep them around to sic on their rivals.

[jaunty dawn]

Chapter master has an eldar sword they insist was given to them by a saintess in a lake

[pastel rampart]

Replace the helms with Brettonian ones to really sell the whole thing.

[past sphinx]

Or mk3s

[pastel rampart]

Or trilbies

Chapter Master Red'tor S'imp

[unreal cosmos]

:c

[tranquil ivy]

Game had to end early. Pretty sure the orks would have won but hey

[pulsar cairn]

Sometimes orks just leave

I call that a win

[tranquil ivy]

Lmao real

[pale narwhal]

They have been for awhile bc of their damage

Swingy but very versatile with high str and blast

[thin ibex]

i just remember the lancer being far more popular than the vindi for a long time

as being safer and a more reliable tank popper

[pale narwhal]

Lancer is more reliable at that ye. Vindi does work though, elites, tanks, everything dies relatively reliably

[sour sequoia]

Lancer's ostensibly more reliable but Vindicator is avg double the shots + blast for 15 extra points

Tourney tomorrow, every necrons player is there so I cannot borrow models to run HCL 😔```CanoptekCourt (1995 Points)

CHARACTERS
C’tan Shard of the Nightbringer (305 Points)
• 1x Gaze of death
• 1x Scythe of the Nightbringer
Illuminor Szeras (175 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Eldritch Lance
• 1x Impaling legs
Imotekh the Stormlord (100 Points)
• 1x Gauntlet of Fire
• 1x Staff of the Destroyer
Plasmancer (60 Points)
• 1x Plasmic lance
Royal Warden (50 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Relic gauss blaster
Technomancer (105 Points)
• 1x Staff of light
• Enhancements: Dimensional Sanctum
Technomancer (85 Points)
• 1x Staff of light

BATTLELINE
Immortals (150 Points)
• 10x Immortal
◦ 10x Close combat weapon
◦ 10x Tesla carbine
Immortals (70 Points)
• 5x Immortal
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 5x Tesla carbine

OTHER DATASHEETS
Canoptek Doomstalker (145 Points)
• 1x Doomsday blaster
• 1x Doomstalker limbs
• 1x Twin gauss flayer
Canoptek Doomstalker (145 Points)
• 1x Doomsday blaster
• 1x Doomstalker limbs
• 1x Twin gauss flayer
Canoptek Doomstalker (145 Points)
• 1x Doomsday blaster
• 1x Doomstalker limbs
• 1x Twin gauss flayer
Canoptek Wraiths (230 Points)
• 6x Canoptek Wraith
◦ 6x Vicious claws
Canoptek Wraiths (230 Points)
• 6x Canoptek Wraith
◦ 6x Vicious claws```

Current debate is ditching probably Imotekh to run Flayed Ones or finding a way to fit a triarch stalker so I have two infiltrator/scout move units to control objectives round 1 and turn on the matrix

[paper bluff]

Consider that the

With transdimensional displacement you can pop onto a point from advancing so long as no enemies 9" away

And also a scary thing suddenly in your opponent's face

Plus 11 wounds toughness 12, 4+ invulnerable 5+ feel no pain, take half damage is nothing to sneeze at

[sour sequoia]

it is considered, though sourcing one for a tourney is a problem when we got 3 people running all theirs 😔

I like the triarch for the scout move and being 12 wounds of 4+ invuln and reanimation with a flamer and a melta

it doesn't really interact with CC at all but it can kinda just go brrr and deny cover for the doomstalkers to shoot whatever comes at it

Nightbringer's a little slow but I can count on it to just out and out win whatever fight it enters so if I only have one ctan I usually run that

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Bluesky · Feb 22, 2025, 2:14 AM

[past sphinx]

finally

big melta

a multi-ier multimelta

the cowards wont let me take the neutron laser or the pintle mounted heavy weapons into 40k tho