Which IIRC are the other "kinda shooty but fragile and reliant on cool movement tricks" faction
#Warhammer and Such
desert jay
thin ibex
i dont have the same informed opinion, but as i understand it, they have some better dedicated to single purpose units
mental birch
Player skill
Good eldar player I'm struggling
poor eldar player I'm laughing
Eldar gets what we get without hoop jumping
is our struggle
desert jay
Ahh, the dreaded/beloved skill matchup
tepid stratus
Yeah eldar is a toolkit that is pure skill expression
mild glen
So, seeking assume clarifications regarding starting strength to make sure I have this correct, because I am suddenly full of doubt
I have a unit of three Crisis suits. They have four wounds each.
I attach to them a Commader in Coldstar Battlesuit. It has six wounds natively.
For purposes of simplicity, nobody has any shield drones equipped.
Opponent draws the Bring It Down secondary and kills the Crisis suits, but not the commander.
Do they score as though they killed a SS12 unit or a SS18 unit?
mental birch
Ss12
If you kill the commander you score separately for the conmander
Because they split on death
mental birch
Ahh, the dreaded/beloved skill matchup
Poor space marine player I'm still thinking hard
Because Holy crap they are inherently strong
mild glen
So, if I have only two shield drones in the unit (now Starting strength 14) and they kill the commander (still running no shields) they score the lowest tier of bring it down twice, as opposed to the highest tier once, robbing them of 2 VP?
mental birch
Yes
Beautiful innit
Is why we run 2 shields only
1 wound isn't gonna win you the game
2vp is tho
mild glen
mental birch
I still miss the menace that was the 2w 4+ invuln shield drone in a squad with like 1 marker drone
hahaha
just 3 units of that
jumping around being menaces
thin ibex
Hmm at 1k points is it better to have single big boys who were already considered tough in a 2k game or go wide enough to to do actions and focus board control
south axle
Do we have some kind of confirmation that the Rumour Engine stuff is only for miniatures?
jaunty dawn
How do you mean
south axle
GWs has shown a Alpharius Joytoy, and there is the old Rumour Engine of a Alpha Legion Bident
desert jay
Do we have some kind of confirmation that the Rumour Engine stuff is only for mi...
AIUI no confirmation but so far it’s only been game miniatures
floral herald
I think it’s funny that the optimal way to build the new chaos lord model is hammer+power fist
Fuck ranged weapons
jaunty dawn
Kinda makes sense
Just in terms of melee impact
Vs shooting basically a line infantry weapon at maybe +1 bs
desert jay
GWs has shown a Alpharius Joytoy, and there is the old Rumour Engine of a Alpha ...
Went and looked, the bident in the 2024-11-19 rumor engine is less ornate than the one in the Joytoy model
Definitely looks like the same style, but with more/less detail
jaunty dawn
Also the difference between rendered painting and just a flat coat
desert jay
I was just looking at the model silhouette but yeah that too
Also can compare the Pale Spear in his HH model
pastel rampart
onyx elm
Am I wrong or have the Orks by and large made Chaos their new favorite target in terms of lore?
Mostly to do with Gaz-gul's favorite Imperial sparring partner dying at the fall of Cadia.
thin ibex
by volume, orks' favorite foe is themselves
uneven ember
that is pretty sick
upper canopy
The tusks on the chaos termies are just the actual fucking best
uneven ember
by volume, orks' favorite foe is themselves
I loved Deff Skwadren for the sheer glee of ork/ork violence
and the bit where one of the air support squadrens didn't show up because they were thinking of switching sides
thin ibex
I have to imagine it's because orks just get it when it comes to a good scrap
It's usually bosses that want to go fight different kinds of enemies, cause they get a taste for variety
pulsar cairn
How are u so good at this aaaa
past sphinx
How are u so good at this aaaa
ive wasted 15 odd years playing with toy soldiers
pulsar cairn
uneven ember
sour sequoia
How are u so good at this aaaa
If you wanna git gud real fast most of what you should do is watch some basic color theory vids and some tips for blending
And I’m gonna second that 90% of painting is just weight of practice I’ve improved by an order of magnitude last 5 months since I got injured and have fuckall to do besides paint
Feels better than marinating in videogames same amount of time at least
pastel rampart
pulsar cairn
thin ibex
you know, i can't help but want to load out a coldstar burst cannons
i know its not like the recommended
but brrrt
sour sequoia
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:x7sq2beqoox2s4y263pidmkk/b...
I considered name dropping you as a source of good painting advice which would have made this post way funnier, shit.
mild glen
Double-checking: Sustained Hits stacks, right?
IE: I have Sustained 1 from one source. If I then gain Sustained 1 from another source, I have Sustained 2?
mild glen
👍
rocky shale
IE: I have Sustained 1 from one source. If I then gain Sustained 1 from another ...
Doesn't stack unless an effect specifically says it does, which there are some instances of
pastel rampart
I considered name dropping you as a source of good painting advice which would h...
lmao
pale narwhal
i know its not like the recommended
it can be if you're running it with burstscythes in ret cadre
extra points for giving him the prototype weapon system enhancement for lethals or sustained
mild glen
That's 36 S5 shots, 12 of which are hitting in 3 without buffs.
It's going to shave a few wounds
uneven ember
yes
floral herald
Candy corns of DOOM
past sphinx
Harnessing the revolting power of candy corn
glad spear
solemn gull
this meme can drink
desert jay
Oh damn just realized those are old Land Raiders in there
solemn gull
oh yeah those are rogue trader models
desert jay
Found the tumblr post with bigger versions of the pics, there's an OG Dread in there
Also don't remember who these guys are
solemn gull
looks like some sort of 3rd party models acting as terminators or maybe very early devastators?
desert jay
Damn there's also some 1e jetbikes in back, back when SM had jetbacks
solemn gull
honestly this ancient meme might be one of the last things keeping memory of these models alive.
past sphinx
Also don't remember who these guys are
I think those are imperial robots
solemn gull
oh shit yeah them.
desert jay
I think those are imperial robots
Ah ye found them, Colossus Robots
Also sme Crusader Robots on the right side
jagged dawn
tired cairn
Give us the 30k AdMech models in 40k you cowards
pale narwhal
Sadly the guy who did Imperial Armour died
So it most likely won’t happen (I agree they are cowards though)
tired cairn
Yeah 😦
desert jay
They wouldn't even update the servitor squad, and those were in SM and Guard too. (The unit got dropped between index and codex for all three)
past sphinx
Space marine servators would be rad again
desert jay
The servitor in the henchman squad looks good too v_v
sour sequoia
I understand why yall like custodes now, going from skaven to ogres
This is like half a 2k list!! I got plenny of time for painting
tardy vault
Ogres have an absurd spearhead
literally half an army
And they're supposedly pretty fun to paint
Old certainly, but lots of surface area to play with all sorts of grime and blood
sour sequoia
Old certainly, but lots of surface area to play with all sorts of grime and bloo...
Will update once i got some to show off but yeah—stupid easy assembly and kitbash potential, I used purely spare parts to make leadbelchers into ironguts, its all from the early era of good GW plastic, good details
The box is like the size of a corgi though lmao
sour sequoia
As far as value I just checked uhhh
Two spearheads and a bloodpelt is a 2k list lmfaoooo
tardy vault
yep
sour sequoia
The only real downside is no butchers but you can kitbash tyrant to butcher easy anyways, thats what I’m doin
tardy vault
certainly much better than the DoK one
500ish points and with a hero that only works with 1/3 of the box
sour sequoia
On the bright side your prayers and spells work across the whole faction 😭
Even ogre lores are siloed
tardy vault
On the bright side your prayers and spells work across the whole faction 😭
Oh they might work but good luck getting a priest into a snake list. Either you're 3 drops or you're not.
unreal cosmos
(picks you up and spins you around like an adoring parent to a child) "30k Mechanicum got a plastic range launch last year, 40k AdMech didn't." (accelerates spin and launches you into the sky)
jaunty dawn
Lmao yeah
unreal cosmos
I'm tired of people using "the stilt-sniper looks dumb to me" as the crux for this kind or argument
floral herald
Yeah
The stilt sniper fucks
It’s a shame it’s like the only model they’ve gotten in a while but it’s cool
quaint compass
AdMech needs more actively bad-looking units
Just absolute pieces of shit with scary guns
desert jay
Kataphons
bright dove
The box is like the size of a corgi though lmao
Oh hell yeah, the AoS Ogor Spearhead! It's such a good value!
jagged dawn
(picks you up and spins you around like an adoring parent to a child) "30k Mecha...
We actually like the skatros this was just the meme we found
unreal cosmos
(hands cupped around mouth as you go tumbling through the stratosphere) "Sorry!"
pulsar cairn
the book of grudges also has like...small stuff right?
Like smaller grudges?
I mean small compared to stuff like what caused the war of the beard
Like me doing something bad to an individual dwarf instead of something against their society
tardy vault
IIRC yes, but at least in my head it takes a lot for a Grudge to be declared.
Like the story about being shorted 2 pennies
They would have tried multiple times to get the humans to pay up.
They didn't get home, count the amount, then fly into a rage and march out to tear down the castle.
tepid stratus
Yeah the mayor that shorted them refused to pay up when asked
paper bluff
Personal grudge books existed I'm sure
thin ibex
still amuses me that the dwarves do not have a big grudge against mazdamundi/the lizardmen for destroying their entire empire because they simply dont know
paper bluff
What?
still warren
Yeah turns out messing with tectonics is really bad for anyone living underground
pulsar cairn
They didn't get home, count the amount, then fly into a rage and march out to te...
yeah 
i imagined the response to these grudges would be proportional
tardy vault
What?
to elaborate: the start of the decline for Dwarves was in ancient times when one day the mountains started moving, crushing and moving karaks for no reason
The reason why is totally unknown...unless you're a Lizardman because the Slaan moved a bunch of mountains because the Old Ones told them to.
rocky harness
Elvish propaganda that, I'll bet my beard on it!
tepid stratus
Personal grudge books existed I'm sure
They do! They're frequently mentioned in various sources. In vermintide Bardin mentions clearing some stuff from his cousin's grudge book
thin ibex
Mazda was like "Hmm, tectonic plates are off by a bit. Better fix that, Great Plan and all that." and scootched the plates over by a bit, causing untold destruction and the shattering of the Dwarven Empire
Mazda then went back to sleep probably
upper canopy
Yeah the Grudge Books go from:
Personal > Clan/Guild > Hold King > High King
You litterally submit your grudges like taxes
soft willow
Imagine being a Grudge auditor.
“Well Snorri, it seems like you haven’t been keeping your grudges in order, we’re going to have to do something about that.”
Makes a note in a bigger fancier grudge book.
floral herald
The METAGRUDGERY
junior summit
thats a thing
theres a whole ecosystem of dwarfen grudge management
which thorgrim is holding together basically by force of will
sour sequoia
Base for a butcher kitbash. Nothin but skulls sprue bits and gnoblars/spare bits from the spearhead
The leadbelcher fuses fitting best as cigars in the jaws of ork skulls is incredible to me
thin ibex
Man, I don't know if the aux Detachment got tau is GOOD perse, but I love that it exists
Also you can get some gnarly AP and strength boosting with stratagems
paper bluff
to elaborate: the start of the decline for Dwarves was in ancient times when one...
From how this is said. Do the dwarves know the slann are responsible?
thin ibex
No, that's why I find it so amusing, there's no grudge for em
rocky harness
Would be hilarious if there was, but the slann noped that chapter out of the book.
thin ibex
For most people, the massive quakes and destruction were just a calamity, the slann have no inclination to inform or ask permission of the other factions in the old world
So pretty much no one knew
sour sequoia
Grillmaster is IN
upper bluff
YOOOOOOOO
thin ibex
Thoughts on relative balance for this list I put together for a friend as a natural progression from his space wolve's combat patrol?
I feel like getting termies is always a solid buy
getting a tank is a good way to have a solid vehicle in your collection
outriders were just the points cheaper cav option compared to the thunderwolves, otherwise i woulda brought that
i dont feel like outriders are particularly bad anyway
just that thunderwolves are just cooler if youre player sw
sour sequoia
Correct
thin ibex
I think I'd personally split the intercessors into 2 groups, but there is an argument to be made about benefiting from the lieutenant's buff
upper canopy
solemn gull
I liked his deathwatch books
tardy vault
apparently the Lilith one is really good (and, of course, has some toxic yuri) so I'm going to have to read it at some point
tall depot
past sphinx
you know what would be a really dope way of keeping mk7 armor around in the current era? throw some legion of the damned into imperial agents.
tired cairn
Just play good. EZ
mild glen
Things I Thought I'd Never Say: Warhammer Edition:
"Okay, so the Hammerhead is going to guide the Pathfinders"
tired cairn
Did you have to shoot a bunch of chaff?
mild glen
Opp had zero vehicles on the field.
Shortly thereafter, I said something like "Well. This Hammerhead's only remaining use is to tank-shock your Kahl... but I'm out of CP, so let's just charge it instead"
Opp brought 1 vehicle in his whole list (a heakton land fortress), and picked it as a Marked For Death target turn 1.
So I took my 5 VP
floral herald
Oh do Hanmerheads not get submunitions anymore?
mild glen
Nope
jagged dawn
Art by TheGraffitiSoul
thin ibex
yeah no submunitions anymore
no strat for it either
you can bring twin accelerator burst cannons tho
and they do ok against infantry
past sphinx
Witch is cringe, I giant rail grapeshot was cool
Shell types was a neat part of the game
thin ibex
I do miss it, but if it still had 2 fire modes, it'd be EVEN more useless to take the ion cannon
which is already living deeply in the railgun's shadow
since you can railgun and two burst cannons
pale narwhal
ion is good specifically in the mont'ka detachment
because lethals anti synergise with the railguns dev wounds
but otherwise yeah
jagged dawn
Alright Titanicus is also finished, to whoever recommended it, thank you
runic swallow
Have you read the Eisenhorn/Ravenor books?
jagged dawn
Think we have the ravenor books back home, haven’t read eisenhorn
That was actually next on our list, alongside Dead Men Walking (Krieg novel)
runic swallow
Eisenhorn is great, so is Ravenor
Haven’t read the Bequin books yet
And Dead Men Walking is neat
jagged dawn
We also stumbled across Farseer since playing rogue trader got us in a…well, rogue trader mood
runic swallow
Oh, definitely read the Eisenhorn trilogy before reading Ravenor trilogy, they’re interconnected
thin ibex
Yeah it goes Eisenhorn-Ravenor-Bequin. Also haven't read the bequin series
runic swallow
I read the first book many years ago, I may reread it at some point and get the second one
thin ibex
Been trying to decide if I reread Eisenhorn and Ravenor again before I go into bequin
runic swallow
Very different, kinda fairytale vibe iirc
thin ibex
I really enjoy how the whole series is like... a motley crew space adventure but very much still warhammer
runic swallow
Yeah
Honestly probably my favorite 40k series tbh
Especially since there’s some very intentional poking at the characters/setting in it
thin ibex
Definitely has some of my absolute favorite characters in the non mainline universe
sour sequoia
The gradient on the tubes is fantastic
Got me almost wanting to paint power armor now
mild glen
Well, dangit. Today in the "my brain doesn't understand time or money issues", it decided it wants to buy and paint a Sagitaur for an internet friend as a gift.
It's not even their birthday or anything.
past sphinx
interesting how Khorne bezerkers armor seems so much less corrupted than the normal legionaries
thin ibex
I feel like it's just that khorne corruption just makes it even more martial
thin ibex
Like it just makes the armor into armor+
And maybe morphs some of it into brass over time
past sphinx
maybe, even the eightbound only just rise to that standard csm footslogger
you gotta get to the real elite of the exaluted for some mutation
Kharn aint even got an extra arm
thin ibex
Nah his mutation is solid brass balls im pretty sure
floral herald
20 °C? That’s not even cold really
thin ibex
I think that's like... a little cooler than room temp isn't it?
tired cairn
It's in the range of room temperatures for places that aren't very warm
(It's 68F for the Americans)
Though metal isn't a great insulator. The Tech-Priest should have thought about that before losing all their flesh
uneven ember
in this case he's her "dad" as well as being an ancient Tech-Priest
so he's just so many levels of "do not mess with the thermostat"
pastel rampart
cinder wraith
made a world eater brain rotted instead of lobotomized ❤️
(playing among us with a twitch chat mocking him)
pine matrix
(playing among us with a twitch chat mocking him)
Woah, what a great model!!
pastel rampart
Purple is kind of a "neutral" color for chaos--slaanesh, tzeentch, and to a certain extent nurgle all use it.
One can make a case that "bruised purple" fits Khorne too.
pastel rampart
Purple is super fun and is like third in terms of favorite colors to paint (blue and yellow being 1st and 2nd, respectively)
uneven ember
yellow as a favorite color is something I haven't heard often
pastel rampart
Yellow is challenging but it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier to do it now than when I started.
People have figured out how to make yellow paint with decent to good coverage. Plus, well...airbrushing, washes, and Contrast make it relatively easy.
That said I tend towards a mustard yellow than bright yellow.
pastel rampart
Pink gets you closer to orange!
If you put yellow ink over it you get a very nice orange.
pastel rampart
Hell yeah
Pink might be like, 4th favorite, I just rarely get to do it on the majority of a model.
sour sequoia
I am also earnestly finding wherever I can to use pink cuz it’s just so fun. And still easy tbh. If I ever stomach painting marines it’ll probably be Emperor’s Children
pastel rampart
I am also earnestly finding wherever I can to use pink cuz it’s just so fun. And...
Pink's great for fleshy stuff like the inside of mouths and tongues, so that's a good excuse to use it.
But also: glowing stuff! Hot pink for energy coils and tyranid bio-plasma-esque stuff.
sour sequoia
Pink's great for fleshy stuff like the inside of mouths and tongues, so that's a...
Been getting good use of em on the ogres and tyranids, lotta meat to do. Would use on bug muscles but I’ve been leaning toward using yellow/orange for better contrast.
Maaaay do pink for the tongues. The banana tongues look a little odd en masse
Pink bioplasma good idea tho
pastel rampart
Orange/yellow goes great with purple.
Could use pink on the psychic bugs for their big exposed brain-meats.
floral herald
Debating if it’s worth it to magnetize this forgefiend
Since I know the triple ectoplasma is solid
pastel rampart
I'm a proponent of magnetizing.
floral herald
I’m mostly just worried about it looking kinda goofy with droop
And I don’t have a ton of practice magnetizing stuff this big haha
pastel rampart
He goes a little overboard in making it possible to switch between both the mauler and forgefiend but the weapons don't seem to droop.
pastel rampart
The real trick is having the right size magnets, which for larger weapons like that would be at least 3mm across.
Probably closer to 5mm.
floral herald
I’ve got… let me check
5mm magnets
As the biggest ones
I think I’ve got 2mm 3mm and 5mm
So I’m probably well set it’s just a matter of labor
Bleh I don’t think I have a good reason not to but I won’t get it done tonight
pastel rampart
Oh 5mm will be plenty.
I know 1/8" drill bits is perfect for 3mm magnets but I don't know about 5mm, I've never had to actually use a drill for magnets of that size--I just use 5mm and up for under a base.
rocky shale
Debating if it’s worth it to magnetize this forgefiend
Mine don't droop
I used a pretty big magnet tho like 6-8mm
I just sawed off the ball joint and stuck the magnets to the stump
desert jay
5mm is 0.1969", which is between 12/64" and 13/64"
But notably, 13/64" leaves about the same clearance for 5mm as 1/8" leaves for 3mm
(.0062" clearance vs .0069", respectively)
floral herald
I know 1/8" drill bits is perfect for 3mm magnets but I don't know about 5mm, I'...
It’s all ball and socket so I’m just gonna snip off the balls and use a bead of green stuff and super glue in the socket
Uh, phrasing
bold halo
if you're really worried about it drooping, on something that big you can put a couple pins in the joint and count on the magnet to just hold it together
desert jay
DAEMON ENGINE ORCHI
floral herald
if you're really worried about it drooping, on something that big you can put a ...
I’m mostly worried about the forgefiend side guns
But thinking about it they’re actually braced so it’s probably not a problem
pastel rampart
It’s all ball and socket so I’m just gonna snip off the balls and use a bead of ...
If you're brave/batshit enough, 5 minute epoxy will do the job of both super glue and greenstuff.
But that might be a bit overkill.
soft willow
Way overkill.
That's good for like a Titan, but is probably way more than needed for the Forgefiend.
pastel rampart
Yeah lol
I do use epoxy for magnets under a model's base because that's way more likely to get pulled off the base.
But also I superglue it in place first.
floral herald
If you're brave/batshit enough, 5 minute epoxy will do the job of both super glu...
Tempting but I have GS and super glue already haha
jagged dawn
Hmm, we’d kill for CK household guard
floral herald
They should only give CK them
floral herald
also thanks for the magnetizing advice
finite compass
mild glen
How cold is too cold to spray prime models? I have a bunch of little space dwarves here that are begging for a coat of paint.
It's, like, 17F/-8C here.
brittle salmon
Way too cold
tired cairn
It might say on the can. But I think typically 15C? If not 20C? If you have a relatively enclosed space (like a garage), you can sometimes get away with making sure the can is a decent temperature, spraying the model, and then quickly bring them inside.
But uh, test that first lol
brittle salmon
You want between 15c and 27c, below that it won't dry properly
tired cairn
Alternative options are paint-on primer or airbrush primer
sour sequoia
Maybe if I take them outside and then bring 'em back in real fast...
Warm everything beforehand, immediately move models inside somewhere you arent huffing fumes, keep the can in some warm water if you have to
We do similar up here in montana, or everybody uses the houses of the three people with heated garages
I dont exactly recommend but it works
solemn gull
It's, like, 17F/-8C here.
If you can build a snowman it’s too cold
soft willow
Maybe if I take them outside and then bring 'em back in real fast...
This can work but test on a junk model first.
You want the can and the models to both remain warm enough.
And as Gyrtop mentioned, stick em somewhere ventilated, like in the bathroom with the fan on and door closed if you don't have a heated garage space.
valid brook
Sometimes, depending on where you live, spray priming just isn’t an option for months out of the year
floral herald
Honestly for smaller models I have found that brush on primer is nicer than hoping for or trying to make good conditions
sour sequoia
Brush on primer is perfectly fine tbh
solemn gull
I just use black craft paint
thin ibex
If cost isn't a concern, which army do yall think is the easiest to play in 40k?
In terms of being straightforward
And needing the least amount of game sense/ stratagem sense?
tired cairn
Hum, probably one of the cheaper armies? I think all of the really expensive ones are pretty complicated
My gut, perhaps unfairly, thinks Custodes
upper canopy
Knights
tired cairn
Seems plausible. I'm just worried there is a WE effect where you have to be more tricksey than you'd expect lol
tardy vault
My concern with Knights is you very well could just be run around while the other player does objectives.
thin ibex
My thoughts were like... World Eaters, Orks, Custodes, maybe knights, monster mash nids
tardy vault
World Eaters is not easy
thin ibex
A lot of the horde/bludgeon armies that aren't super interactive in each phase and have a singular goal
World eaters IS simple though. Your one objective is to squarely get into the cookie jar. You don't do a shooting phase, you pretty much don't do a command phase
sour sequoia
Death Guard has been essentially the most unga bunga list in my store
That or certain guard parking lots
jagged dawn
World eaters is just “charge”
thin ibex
You know, from the outset, "I need to land my charges and my I win based on the fight phase
thin ibex
Orks played in green tide, bully boys, and war horde are a little similar in that you know your main objective is to get stuck in
jagged dawn
Our answer would probably be (in no particular order): custodes, orks, space marines, maybe necrons?
thin ibex
I'll add an extra criteria though, I will say that the army with the simplest/easiest play style does not need that play style to be their best option. Monster mash nids likely isn't their strongest pick but it is very straightforward to play
sour sequoia
I may be a bit biased since our resident orks player is evidently one of the best in the nation so I keep seeing unhinged tricks whenever I see orks but it does not seem to pack as many of the safeguards as other armies
thin ibex
Yeah I'm less concerned about low ceiling and more about low floor
tired cairn
World eaters is just “charge”
It's not though
sour sequoia
I’d vote Custodes, Death Guard, Imperial Guard, Space Marines, Necrons
thin ibex
Guard seem heavily reliant on inter unit synergies and commands
But I guess they have the option to just do tanks
Which is much simpler
tired cairn
My understanding is if you play WE that way you'll probably lose. You have to hang around objectives and be a charge threat and not just run up the board
sour sequoia
Guard seem heavily reliant on inter unit synergies and commands
Assuming players are capable of like. Reading? Yeah its just lol run tanks
Theres all sorts of stuff you can do, but you can also Run Tanks. No offense meant to parking lots cuz god. I Love Tanks
thin ibex
It's like I'd pretty much say aeldari is out, tau is prooobably out? At a casual level they're not too hard though, but there is an illusion that they have a dominant shooting phase
sour sequoia
The other armies have a lot of stupid durability built into them, individual stat stick units that can eat 1600pts of shooting
And like, triple ctan necrons is still going 5-1 at tourneys so its not like it doesn’t translate
thin ibex
Something I think about worth necrons is "can big hordes of warriors work in casuals and for first timers? Yes. Is it their competitive play style? Nah"
There is some charm to just running big blobs with loads of rez tools
sour sequoia
With necrons as my primary army I dont know that the advanced strats are that hard to execute its just not the immediate starter kit models.
Wraith bricks is wraith bricks no tricks here just the most stupidly durable scoring unit ever made
6 worms with the one guy allowed to attach as leader and boom done
thin ibex
Custodes have the obvious "none of your units are bad, they'll all do what you ask them to and be hard to kill." Which is huge for beginners, just means they have fewer tools and it sucks more when they break
They're also largely autonomous, not needing synergies to function well
jaunty dawn
Super extra special collectors edition
rocky shale
The downside to custodes is a large chunk of the range is forge world and super expensive
For new players
thin ibex
Yeah, though my criteria included cost not being an option
As background, all the models are available on tts
Also though, I feel like the plastic range for stodes is perfectly fine for casual play
jaunty dawn
Ye
thin ibex
Tangent to my earlier question, but man, in super surprised that shining spears got to be anti tank
In the new dex
I was sure gw was avoiding tank killer speed cav
Stodes bikers don't have it, outriders don't have it, ork bikers don't have it, heck not even rough riders have it
rocky shale
Outside of rough riders none of those are dedicated melee bikes
thin ibex
Outriders all come dedicated with chainswords and a rule about chainswording more on the charge. Stodes bikers have lances just like shining spears
jaunty dawn
Rough riders are like
thin ibex
Heck, I'm pretty sure traditionally stodes bikers were an anti big guy/ anti armor pick for them
thin ibex
Yeah
pulsar cairn
I like tanks
tired cairn
Shining spears were always monster hunters right?
thin ibex
That's kinda what I mean, even the traditional cav that was anti tank in the past was mostly downgraded to being able to hunt much lighter vehicles and infantry
rocky shale
Yeah they were just awful this edition until now
thin ibex
Which I presumed was part of the "make vehicles tough again" initiative of tenth
To have fewer units that can just dummy charge them turn one and erase them
jaunty dawn
Laser lances in 7th were strength 6 lance
pulsar cairn
To have fewer units that can just dummy charge them turn one and erase them
sounds like gw doesnt like tanks as much as i
thin ibex
Shining spears before the dex are squarely anti elite infantry and rarely worth the pick
jaunty dawn
Lance being reduced av higher than 12 to 12
thin ibex
In this edition I mean
jaunty dawn
Ie they could glance anything but most things only on a 6
Which isnt exactly great anti tank
rocky shale
Custodes bikes do basically have lascannons with the salvo launchers so they're no slouch against tanks
thin ibex
<:vicksyThink:996566524225663086> sounds like gw doesnt like tanks as much as i
I quite liked how tanks in 10th are worth something tbh, in 8th and 9th they were just made of paper
pulsar cairn
Oh so they did get a lil love
frail jacinth
Custodes bikes do basically have lascannons with the salvo launchers so they're ...
the salvo launchers got massively nerfed this edition though, they've been buffed recently but yeah at the start they were very low strength
jaunty dawn
Also only ap 3 so shit damage table
rocky shale
The laser lances are now S5, Lance, AV/AM 3+
rocky shale
the salvo launchers got massively nerfed this edition though, they've been buffe...
Yeah I know
jaunty dawn
Anti vehicle 3 is wild
thin ibex
Is new recruit already updated with Eldar dex? I thought it hadn't come out yet?
rocky shale
They are hilariously fragile at 2W though
rocky shale
Is new recruit already updated with Eldar dex? I thought it hadn't come out yet?
Codex came out Saturday
thin ibex
Oh snap
Cool
Wasn't guard supposed to come before them?
Did I miss two dex launches?
rocky shale
Yes
jaunty dawn
Guard is next saturday i think
thin ibex
Well shoot
rocky shale
Oh the guard had the krieg early box
jaunty dawn
But the codex has been around for a while cause of a prelaunch box
rocky shale
But yeah spears hit like a truck but it's 120pts for a total of 7 T4 5++ (4++ on the exarch) wounds
thin ibex
I wasn't sure if the online list builders were up to date with guard stuff yet
rocky shale
And they're on the 60mm flying bases so you really gotta position carefully
thin ibex
I guess they got Eldar updated FAST
rocky shale
There were leaks too
thin ibex
Yeah anti 3+ is huge for a rider unit with huge mobility
Happy to see it but hella surprised
rocky shale
Their ability is just ignoring vertical distance during a fly
floral herald
Buffed off the table #btfo
rocky shale
Hawks lost uppy downy and spiders die more in the warp
You have to take baha for uppy downy now
thin ibex
What do they do now as their rule?
tired cairn
Their ability is just ignoring vertical distance during a fly
So they got old fly? That's kind of funny
jagged dawn
It's not though
Fair enough, we don’t play WE
Oh really quick. We decided to just list build for fun and are currently trying to make a “oops all burrowing” list because we like raveners, trygons, etc
But we uh, don’t know what a tyranid list actually looks like
rocky shale
What do they do now as their rule?
Flyover mortals
Fire dragons also got a melta 6 gun for the exarch
past sphinx
Oh goddamn it i gotta paint 10 world eaters for my Thursday game
sour sequoia
the trim calls out once more
tired cairn
But we uh, don’t know what a tyranid list actually looks like
This was a Vanguard Onslaught list that used three big worms and did well in a recent tournament: https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/3Dz7b
Two Mawlocs are neat because you can use the uppy-downy strat to let both of them so mortals again since they are Vanguard Onslaught now
sour sequoia
for vanguard I know in general like, Deathleaper is great, both flavors of regular lictor are great, genestealers go hard as do mawlocs
if you're running deathleaper and neurolictors you may as well mess around with a neurotyrant since you can really mess with stuff via shadow in the warp and throwing stacking penalties everywhere
dense sedge
I drew up a concept for a roster for a 40k hero shooter
jaunty dawn
Tyrant guard could be a good tank
tired cairn
The Dominus being DPS is funny to me
jaunty dawn
They took away his repair
tired cairn
And they shall never be forgiven!
sour sequoia
I drew up a concept for a roster for a 40k hero shooter
I think the one issue with 40k hero shooter is your silhouettes are gonna be so, so bad
although this has me daydreaming anyways 😔
tired cairn
These examples seem pretty good on the sulhouette front though
desert jay
Imagining Commissar as heal/support
pulsar cairn
Imagining Commissar as heal/support
Syringe gun
I'll say a regiment full of combat medics sounds kinda of cool 
tired cairn
Execute teammates to buff/heal the rest of the team
solemn gull
So the Quartermaster for Krieg
desert jay
I was sorta imagining an AoE “fight harder you dogs” shout but a team execute in a hero shooter is potentially very funny
tired cairn
Funny to imagine. Terrible to play
solemn gull
||I hope it doesn’t eat my crew||
cloud flicker
Please Owlcat give me a ||Tau game|| and my life is yours…
Let me use a ||pulse blaster||
thin ibex
im kinda sad the avenger's diresword lost dev wounds
it was such a niche pick already
but i felt like its lore was really connected to the dire avengers lore
i realize mechanically no one is gona miss it
cause no one was taking it
rocky shale
Asurmen's sword still has it
thin ibex
trying to build a pure aspect warrior army with all the pheonixes and an avatar
2k is too little! unless i do minimum size units
rocky shale
Plenty of aspects are fine as msu
Like 6 shining spears is super unwieldy with their base sizes
And spiders with the PL only want to be 5 because only the exarch is good in melee
dense sedge
The Dominus being DPS is funny to me
I needed an ad mech representative and I needed someone with heavy weapons, I admittedly don't know much about ad mech so I looked through their roster and grabbed him.
dense sedge
Leaks for the next character for Owlcat game: ||Kroot ally||
like genuinly?
tired cairn
Oh, it's fine. They are ostensibly leaders. Though in 40k leadership usually implies martial skills unless you are cawl
thin ibex
Plenty of aspects are fine as msu
very true, but i love running full size dire avengers
mental birch
If cost isn't a concern, which army do yall think is the easiest to play in 40k...
Marines usually
You get carried by hoopless rules
bright dove
Marines for sure.
mental birch
And good datasheets
thin ibex
This is a silly and bad list, but I do think it's funny
rocky shale
It's bad but not thaaaat far from meta lists
Drop a couple lords and the hunter and add in transports and more dark reapers
And then you're close
thin ibex
hmm, i still want to make an aspect warrior heavy list
but im not sure how i want to do it
i know i want khaine
i probably dont need every phoenix lord
making a list for a casual league
wanting to try out the new eldar
and i like the aspect shrines a bunch
but i do think i want some vehicles
rocky shale
i probably dont need every phoenix lord
Maugan Ra and Baharroth are easy cuts, Jain Zar is decent but not mandatory
You absolutely want vehicles because Asurmen + 5 DAs getting in and out of a falcon every turn is amazing
Then you want some sort of second squad with an autarch hopping in and out with skyborn sanctuary every turn
Typically this would be 10x dark reapers
Khaine is playable but a lot of people are cutting him because of how much other stuff you can do with 300pts
He's not nearly as tough with - 1 T and no guide
rocky shale
Yeah he's fine, I'd just cut the plane, hawks, and maugan Ra for transports and more reapers
And go down to 5 avengers with asurmen in a party falcon
thin ibex
think theres room for a full size banshee squad?
rocky shale
5+asurmen in a falcon outshoots 10+asurmen in a wave serpent
thin ibex
would a i be a silly guy to run a falcon decked out with shuriken stuff to go with the avengers shurikens?
rocky shale
think theres room for a full size banshee squad?
Maaaaybe
rocky shale
would a i be a silly guy to run a falcon decked out with shuriken stuff to go wi...
Probably OK now that bright lances aren't unbeatable
thin ibex
i figure i want afalcon with feugan and his lads too
rocky shale
Dark reapers are currently some of the mvp units because they have crazy damage as long as you can protect them
thin ibex
melta spam with bonus to wound seems sexy
rocky shale
i figure i want afalcon with feugan and his lads too
Maaaaybe, they do all have assault so you could just play them sneaky
Especially with a small squad
And battle focus
The falcon is good but you probably don't have points for a avengers falcon, fuegan falcon, and like a wave serpent for reapers
thin ibex
yeah true
i might not go hard into reapers despite them being real good
im definitely bringing some reapers tho
just gotta figure what im bringin instead
rocky shale
D3 at that range is awesome
Second only to like asurmen using his big shooty ability in terms of shredding terminators
thin ibex
hmm i wonder if i can squeeze a wraithlord in there
i know i know
i have better options
hmm having like no psykers makes it a bad prospect
rocky shale
Psyker don't do anything special in 10th so no obligation to take them
Oh you meant for the wraith lord
Yeah if you want a heavy weapon platform just use a war walker ot vyper, at least those give buffs and are more accurate
thin ibex
yeah, i just think the wraithlord is a cool guy
but without a psyker to give him the lil boost
dont think i wanna
mild glen
If cost isn't a concern, which army do yall think is the easiest to play in 40k...
From my limited experience, Leagues of Votann seems to not have a lot of Tricksy Things?
floral herald
They’re not exceptionally tricky but they have some technical target priority stuff because of the tokens
mild glen
Take ground. Hold ground.
Have a grudge. Hold grudge until they're in the ground.
paper bluff
My gut, perhaps unfairly, thinks Custodes
Nah you're right abouts
The strats are also usually "make decent thing deadlier or make tough unit tougher"
Remembering once per game abilities is about the toughest sort
glad spear
Wraithbone retcon
mild glen
What's the retcon?
glad spear
10th edition Aeldari codex changed wraithbone to be another regular alloy made of minerals only the aeldari use
Went from cool psyker warp material they can grow miraculous to just another metal
unreal cosmos
I feel like that's a gross oversimplification
glad spear
"The wraithbone substance from which each craftworld is wrought is a composite material formed from various compounds, ores, and minerals. It is as much grown as it is forged"
paper bluff
It's going to get undone i think
glad spear
Bonesingers would basically play ancient Aeldari music and focus psychically while dancing in ceremonial gear and will matter into being, and adjust its properties through the manipulation of their music
floral herald
Wraithbone retcon
Not a retcon
It’s been around for decades and decades haha
Valedor just got a little weird with it
glad spear
Didn't the path of the seer also do the whole "willed from the warp out of nothing"
I get what youre saying though
bright dove
Speaking from a pure setting perspective, it's probably best to not open the "psychics can create materials ex-nihilo" bottle too much if you can avoid it, because that leads to... Problems.
glad spear
I mean it does take a lot of literal song and dance and time and training
floral herald
🤷 there’s stuff as far back as like the 3e codex or BFG with it being a conventional but psychoactive and psycho-formed substance
floral herald
Speaking from a pure setting perspective, it's probably best to not open the "ps...
Tbf, they can that’s very far out of the bag
This just isn’t a retcon just a lore inconsistency is all
bright dove
Yep
bright dove
And, like. If it keeps existing if there's blanks around, probably at least partially real.
floral herald
It’s also a very old lore inconsistency some people have noted (from late 1e)
My personal choice if it needed to be rectified is that small wraith constructs can be sung from the warp but big ones (like infinity circuits) are impractical to make without a material basis
glad spear
The full paragraph does mention bonesingers doing their thing, but they do mention it coming from like a wraithbone thing into a shape they want rather than willing it from the warp straight into the shape instead of physical to physical
And it's not like Aeldari are making new craftworld and circuits willy nilly with their space magic
preps many many hours setting up the perfect outfit and practicing the song and dance. Spends a full day dancing nonstop while barely staying up. Makes one construct
"This is the greatest thing ever" high fives all around
bright dove
Also, I'm hearing sounds of them killing off a major character in another character. Who died? 😛
Was it Eldrad?
Because that barely counts, he was in a Schrodinger's existence for a while there.
floral herald
I think in WanG you can conjure wraithbone quickly but it’s shitty and not durable because of the rush
Eldrad’s def alive
bright dove
Ah, they took the cat out of the box.
glad spear
I don't have the aeldari book on hand
some guy highlighted the shit out of this one though
jaunty dawn
Really funny how like
This literally talks about this being shitty version of wraithbone
bright dove
Literally I have heard nobody care before today.
And my logic is simply "Well, wraithbone seems to exist around the null Assassins and Sisters of Silence, so it's real"
floral herald
My assumption was that it was physical and just shaped since I played DoW 1 honestly but yeah
It’s very low stakes
glad spear
Me a tau enjoyer relatively content with recent stuff
(I also enjoy tau related memes of them trying to understand other 40k stuff to no avail)
floral herald
Tau do have some objectionable retcons too
glad spear
I agree
mental birch
Mildly business adjacent
How much do you think someone would pay for like a tournament table in a box?
rocky shale
Like terrain?
mental birch
Yea cardboard printed and quick set up, and deployment markers it's 3 GW terrain layouts for one day
rocky shale
For cardboard maybe like $40
But I'm also cheap and own a 3d FDM printer for nicer terrain
unreal cosmos
I cannot possibly imagine caring this much about the subject I'm sorry.
glad spear
That's not me, just finding a screenshot of the ability since I don't own the aeldari W&G expansion
unreal cosmos
I know
floral herald
It's at or around the level of "does wraithbone float?"
unreal cosmos
But to circle back to my first comment on the subject I think looking at "oh this is something that is grown and shaped by magic songs" and going "hwuh it's just normal materials" is. I'm gonna say it it's dumb and/or willfully ignorant for the sake of getting yourself mad.
floral herald
Actually now I'm more curious about if it floats
glad spear
From a vehicle standpoint, they have anti grav generators
mental birch
For cardboard maybe like $40
Yeah fair the selling points are compact storage and quick setup/teardown
While meeting all requirements for GW terrain
thin ibex
Yeah fair the selling points are compact storage and quick setup/teardown
Colored or with designs? Or plain, high quality cardboard?
mental birch
Colored or with designs? Or plain, high quality cardboard?
With designs
Printed on images of like building/ruin frontage
Well design+coloured
south axle
Ea-Nasir but for Wraithbone when?
quaint compass
Craftworld Surmera will never be the same since Spiritsinger Aenasra sold them that faulty wraithbone
thin ibex
With designs
I'd pay, depending on quality and longevity, anywhere from 60 to 100 bucks for that. Only having to buy it once is a big factor, and knowing it meets standards without having to check.
mental birch
I'd pay, depending on quality and longevity, anywhere from 60 to 100 bucks for ...
Well buy it once a season is the thing
The idea is a disposable thing that meets GWs season standards
If that makes any sense
thin ibex
Hmm how long is a season for the game? Or does it match up with the actual seasons?
But also, even if the season passes, you bought sturdy cardboard terrain that folds flat
That still works after the season ends
And can be used for home games too
desert jay
If it was like slot-together HDF I could see paying even more than cardboard
soft willow
Several products exist in this space already of modular/pop up terrain that is flexible enough that you can re-use it.
Some of them are pretty expensive however.
mental birch
Hmm how long is a season for the game? Or does it match up with the actual seaso...
A year roughly
thin ibex
ok so
i know
i could drop baharroth and maugen
but first
maugen is cool as hell
and i feel like the uppy down swooping hawks are gonna be good for secondaries
rocky shale
Isn't like half your points in characters there?
thin ibex
(yes, assassination go off)
thin ibex
I realize, im sacrificing a fair amount for the themeing
theming*
ill prolly run it for a single 4 week round in the league im gona play in, as my 2k (we also have 1k and 3k lists as part of roster reqs), if it just plays really really bad, I'll probably do some refining after a the round
i dont think my opponents are super experienced at least, so might still be able to squeeze some wins
junior robin
finally, white scars primaris lieutenant
thin ibex
That's clearly a primaris wulfen lieutenant
mental birch
Pffft
upper canopy
LIL WAYNE?
rocky shale
OK apparently I'm blind and thought the ynnari detachment rule was bad but holy shit it's insane
I was looking only at the last bit about the fights first
But lethal intent is amazing and lethal surge is no slouch either
Losing phoenix lords is rough but a free move after the enemy shooting phase if they kill even one unit is amazing for avoiding charges and stuff
bright dove
Because it's stupid?
tired cairn
Did they make it so you can take the corsairs and harlequins in any detachment?
thin ibex
its a controversy?
bright dove
its a controversy?
The community cares way too much about a thing they didn't talk about two days ago, yes.
tired cairn
Something about it being an alloy instead of being manifested directly from the warp idk
bright dove
Correct, they just chose a particularly silly one this time.
tired cairn
It's not obvious to me that the new thing is at all incompatible with the old thing
glad spear
Not incompatible, just an inconsistency with previous stuff
rocky shale
Did they make it so you can take the corsairs and harlequins in any detachment?
That was already the case
tired cairn
I thought raw it was a feature of the detachment
tired cairn
Oh, that would make sense too
glad spear
Depending on the codex edition or various old white dwarf articles, the lore of how bonesingers do their thing and make wraithbone has been different, but I don't think this changes much besides saying its made of stuff rather than just energy?
its dumb
floral herald
insane
Mood
I left the 40klore subreddit cause I don’t want to read about it
Also blocked a few more people’s socials haha
floral herald
It's not obvious to me that the new thing is at all incompatible with the old th...
Same!
thin ibex
i feel like the 40k community at large is often on an outrage hair trigger
glad spear
I like 40klore for the tau lore interpretations, since some people get a little too heated about how they think they do nothing wrong, or if I have a very weird lore question
thin ibex
having been a tau person for like my entire time being a 40k fan, opinion's on Tau lore have been a rollercoaster
desert jay
Hahaha I was reading this and thought Strength from Death was trash because there's only the 3 Ynnari heroes, and then I saw the second rule and nope it's your whole damn army
glad spear
having been a tau person for like my entire time being a 40k fan, opinion's on T...
literally me too
rocky shale
Hahaha I was reading this and thought Strength from Death was trash because ther...
The last ability wants you to run big squads but everything else is msu good stuff
paper bluff
having been a tau person for like my entire time being a 40k fan, opinion's on T...
I kinda really like the Tau'va goddess in the warp lore
thin ibex
I'm kind of neutral/leaning as disliking it myself; mostly in that not every faction needs to have warp interaction
that and the tau empire is largely secular, bringing gods/goddesses into it feels a little meh
i do concede that as a lever for more cool narratives, it has some cool possibilities, but that's just not a narrative im super interested in
hard whale
I like that it's there. A god created by the Tau Auxiliaries shows that they actually, truly believe in the greater good, they're not being mind-controlled or coerced
thin ibex
and I feel like the Tau are fertile ground for more of their own narratives rather than more explorations of acceptance/rejection of faith on the battlefield. Heck that story already exists in Tau lore with faith in the Ethereal Caste
I do appreciate how it's existence pisses Shadowsun off
solemn gull
I like that it's there. A god created by the Tau Auxiliaries shows that they act...
You can be mind controlled or coerced into believing something though
thin ibex
I do also concede that narratively, humans in the 40k universe are predisposed to adoption of faith if they're coming out of the Imperium, but I kinda feel like "They made a goddess" somewhat steals the spotlight on what could be stories about the guevesa experience in the tau empire
Epecially with there being a nice little spot to explore what happened during... was it the 4th sphere?
solemn gull
Yeah
mild glen
I had a very stupid idea
mystic saddle
do y'all think pre-corruption Fulgrim earnestly believed his own words about lifting up lesser people to be able to rise to their full potential and be their best selves?
thin ibex
I think he meant it truthfully, but in the detached way that a primarch could rarely escape
He had no real understanding of a normal human's best self, I think
tired cairn
I don't think lifting up lesser people has great implications generally even when earnest either
glad spear
I'm kind of neutral/leaning as disliking it myself; mostly in that not every fac...
This is how I feel as well. Though I understand that it creates a lot of conflict and makes sense sort of from a human perspective, I do think it pulls away from what makes Tau special within the 40k universe. There's cooler stories to be told than warp nonsense in the tau world
It did lead to some good fan comics from my favorite tau artist, Superfeyn, about the greater good and humans, along with the 4th sphere
An excerpt from a longer length comic
thin ibex
Catachans are: melee, flamers, infantry, artillery, sentinels, hellhounds?
Oh also snipers, though hard to do with current rules
I know they have armor, but that's not a major element to their theme is it?
floral herald
They’re actually renowned for skilled armored regiments
Heavy artillery less so AIUI
thin ibex
Huh, generally thought jungle fighters would be better known for elite light infantry, mobile artillery, and light armor. Along with their association with flamers and marksmen
desert jay
Light armor? This is 40k, we only have transport, other transport, tank, heavy tank, and heavier tank
desert jay
You want light armor go ask France
Wait no I have a funnier take
The Leman Russ battle tank is light armor
floral herald
The LR in LRBT is actually for Light Recon
upper bluff
There's always that lore blurb that the STC for the Baneblade called it a Light battle tank or whatever
brittle salmon
There's always that lore blurb that the STC for the Baneblade called it a Light ...
this is made up lol
upper bluff
DAMNIT
Hold on I'm going ot become a talented writer and get a book deal with Games Workshop to make this canon, brb
jaunty dawn
Warhound is though
upper bluff
true, but I can't really put Catachan jungle fighters in a warhound and call them a light motorized division
I mean I can, but no more than I can just do that with a banebllade
thin ibex
They’re actually renowned for skilled armored regiments
Lexicanum mentions nothing about being armored specialists, after going and checking. Not artillery either
floral herald
Catachan's armoured regiments are similarly renowned for the destruction they unleash. With their hulking frames, Catachan crewmen are able to heft massive shells and magazines into place with ease, allowing their gunners to lay down a near-unending rain of shots. Bedecked with vines, Camo Netting or splatters of concealing mud, Catachan tanks might look out of place in the parade ground, but are invaluable on the battlefield.
Lexicanum notes it there but the 8e AM codex goes into some more detail
thin ibex
Ah OK, I missed it
Looks like, in general though, they're more noted for their infantry than their armor
floral herald
Yeah
tired cairn
I don't think they got any noninfantry models?
Also. It's funny to think that catachans, and only catachans, put camo on their armor. But also don't remove it for parade
I guess it's part of the STC
thin ibex
Much more in detail about elite scouts and guerilla fighters. Apparently the big things coming out of their ranks assault teams, snipers, and their most famous, Catachan devil squads
Which sadly don't exist anymore
I'd bet you could put, in lore, a Catachan Devil squad next to a Kasrkin or Tempestus Scion in terms of elite skill, though they serve different roles
Oh there it is, preferred special weapons are flamer and heavy bolter
jaunty dawn
yeah theyre just the catachan vet unit
like same as krieg grenadiers
or armageddon ork hunters
thin ibex
Could maybe use krieg grenadiers rules to represent em nowadays
Just paint up Catachans instead
jaunty dawn
but also cyan never claimed that their exclusive specialty was armoured stuff, just that their armoured stuff is just as like. renowned as their other aptitudes
floral herald
I’m not sure if grenadiers have models or rules any more
floral herald
If you have the old ones around Scions work pretty well for them in terms of rules I think
jaunty dawn
krieg grenadiers are like, carapace armoured mechanised units
thin ibex
Oh yeah no I was thinking of assault engineers, who are very deadly with multiple explosives
Which feels very Catachan
thin ibex
Lizard with a bomb satchel
Demo charges apparently also a big Catachan favorite
For Catachan armor, do they favor the close fighting demolisher or the equivalent to the sniper, the vanquisher?
jaunty dawn
leman russ variants are kinda like
you have very common ones and then very rare ones
that a regiment would want to get their hands on any of the latter they could
and the vanquisher is a rare one
so its like
there isnt really room to favor many variants
cause the nature of the imperium is just that you get what you get yknow
thin ibex
Oh I was thinking more thematically, since they are can focused on general, but love their snipers. And a vanquisher seems great for am ambush as a tank sniper
But a demolisher is a close fighting brawler of a tank
thin ibex
Ok valid
As a bit of background I want to make a very flavorful Catachan theme build for my buddy to play once the guard get updated in New recruit
And I feel like a tank or two will be good
Vanquisher I feel like mechanically always underperforms but otherwise still looms as a threat
jaunty dawn
that one thats like
the fast leman russ
would pair nice with hellhound type things
thin ibex
The conqueror? Can't even field it no more
jaunty dawn
rip
thin ibex
I liked it a lot cause it had the rare coax machinegub
Machinegun
I guess the demolisher is way more likely to just generally do good
And that would be a good reason for a beginner to have it
Punisher in a small game is prolly no chump either, erasing all the infantry is a great way to get a score advantage
We'll probably play a more relaxed 1k as an intro, with less focus on getting all the rules right
floral herald
solemn gull
I find it weird people would take the killteam with the dog then be surprised when the dog is in danger.
floral herald
I think that's supposed to be the ratling sad about it
bright dove
I find it weird people would take the killteam with the dog then be surprised wh...
I can assure you the thought begins and ends at dogge
solemn gull
I would never include anything in my killteam that I would be upset about getting eviscerated by night lords.
rocky shale
Alright gang, I'm playing aspect host Aeldari against this in my first lgs league match
How the fuck do I deal with a shadowsword
Also I'm pretty sure I slam assassinate against this
brittle salmon
How the fuck do I deal with a shadowsword
pick your poison of 5 or 10 fire dragons lead by Fuegan, put them in strat reserves, deny LoS on the shadowsword until you can outflank them in off a table edge and burn it to ash
rocky shale
pick your poison of 5 or 10 fire dragons lead by Fuegan, put them in strat reser...
My currently list does have 5 dragons + fuegan and a falcon which was gonna be for dire avengers but this might change that
I also have an AoK which could crack it
Maybe
floral herald
Pysker
floral herald
yeah I'm just poking fun at the name
rocky shale
Lol
Oh damn new recruit doesn't have the updated sheets in yet for Astra militarum
Wait lmao is that a plane
floral herald
Yeah the Avenger is a plane lol
space a10
Really rare model cool to see in the wild
rocky shale
It can shoot at flying units that shoot at nearby allies
floral herald
Malding slightly at a ground attack plane having that rule but that's neat
rocky shale
OK so the list is basically one huge tank with engineers, a rogal dorn TC, two anti-fly units, some cav and a tiny bit of infantry
My list is definitely more tuned but I'm also very inexperienced with the new rules
The hydra has 72" range lmao
Luckily only my warp spiders and transports fly
Oh gross the enginseers give a 4++ invuln
Wait and he's playing recon lmao why
rocky shale
It'll be fun to play hide from the shadowsword for sure
thin ibex
hmm, on vibes alone, guardian battlehost or windrider host?
My other two lists are Aspect Host and Spirit Conclave
so maybe windrider for the speed play?
Could also go Armoured Warhost for more vehicle play
since im vehicle light on the others
thin ibex
fair, though badness doesn't really bother me?
rocky shale
Guardian battle host is interesting since it's using a lot of units that were funky in the index
thin ibex
I'm not optimising so much
rocky shale
Well it's bad but also the rules aren't particularly interesting
thin ibex
i like guardian host because its like... the homeguard
an windrider because, well, it's the SPEED GUYS
rocky shale
Like assault on tank guns is boring when most vehicles never need to advance
I think guardian host is super cool
rocky shale
Seers don't do a whole lot there but you could definitely squeeze in eldrad for the cp
floral herald
What craftworld is armored host anyway?
thin ibex
Wind Riders are obviously Saimhann
floral herald
Mymeara?
thin ibex
honesstly im not sure
rocky shale
What craftworld is armored host anyway?
Craftworld we needed a detachment idea that wasn't in the codex
floral herald
lol
Mymeara was the Forge World craftworld so while they're not that heavy vehicle themed they lowkey are anyway
rocky shale
I loooove Aeldari vehicles so the fact that the detachment rule is so lame is disappointing
thin ibex
huh so wind riders get uppy downy with mounted and vypers and have extra reserves, but iirc cant i still not arrive during round 1
rocky shale
They get the cool 6" deep strike strats and that's about it
thin ibex
despite the text saying treat it as one more up, because of like rules clarification or something in a dataslate
aeldari arent in waha yet so i cant check my strats -_-
rocky shale
Rip
thin ibex
hmm, maybe i can play my guardian host as a go wide list with loads of guardians
and then have a couple movers to be my hammer units
rocky shale
Go all in with 3x vibrocannons
thin ibex
Playing the geonosians from star wars
past sphinx
i can, just not enough to paint 30 of these guys
i could do it with 30k but theres to much shit all over the 40k WE's
i wanted to make these guys inductii but their just covered in nonsense
quaint compass
They greeblies is what's keeping me from finishing my WE warband
and I may have added my own greeblies because I freak like that
desert jay
Oh wow even doing blood splatter too
mental birch
Cuteee
glad spear
She's clearly low rank since she needs way more augmentations
quaint compass
Ain't the mechanicus all about more machine = more good?
solemn gull
She's clearly low rank since she needs way more augmentations
I mean hey if she got all her limbs replaced with that armour I think she must be pretty high rank
Granted the face is usually the first thing people get augmented
soft willow
Where are her mechadendrites?
solemn gull
Where are her mechadendrites?
Maybe not useful to the jump pack power fist lady
soft willow
Properly allocated in their storage department
Idleness is heresy.
soft willow
Maybe not useful to the jump pack power fist lady
How else will she repair her armor on the go?
solemn gull
That’s putting tech serfs out of business
pastel rampart
Where are her mechadendrites?
She's gotta beat Mechadendrite Man first to get his power.
quaint compass
answer 1 answers question 2
solemn gull
Also she has a jump pack so she has to go back to get that refueled
So she’s making pitstops either way
soft willow
That’s putting tech serfs out of business
solemn gull
Can’t have too much progress the imperium would fall apart if menials spent even one minute less in the mines
glad spear
the miners die from collapses so stilt walkers can be one inch taller 
tepid stratus
I forget which book it was from but there's a whole subsect of mechanicus priests that obsessively try to make their augmetics look as human as possible out of a belief the human form is inherently divine and simply needs its weaknesses removed.
quaint compass
Ye
and there's Biologis who wanna make the best biotech
Since the organic machine is still a machine!
tepid stratus
I just remember an inquisitor being weirded out that the tech priest dominus he was interviewing just looked like a normal woman in mechanicus robes
mental birch
Pffft
mental birch
She's gotta beat Mechadendrite Man first to get his power.
She's a Xenotech Heretic with a selection of 8
Enemies to fight
To collect all their weapons
pastel rampart
And when they're done she's going after Dr. Chaos.
mental birch
You get a secret ending by never using the Chaos weapon
cloud flicker
like genuinly?
Yeah?
glad spear
Leaks for the next character for Owlcat game: ||Kroot ally||
When you say game, do you mean dlc for Rogue Trader or something else entirely new
Im just praying dlc comes out instead of being pushed back again, I want to play the whole game with dlc
dense sedge
Same, im waiting for a second d play through
thin ibex
thats the max i can bring sadly
decided to go FULL kroot on my kroot hunting pack
which means my main anti tank is lonespears, rampagers, and farstalkers
but im fielding quite a few kroot, plan to smother the objectives
2 20 stack blobs, 2 farstalker teams, 1 10 man, 2 units of 3 krootox's, 3 units of 6 rampagers, 3 lone spears, 2 war shapers, 2 flesh shapers, 1 trail shaper
glad spear
Kroot lone spears are my favorite model out of the new kroot models
Sniper guy on a salamander
I will definitly run at least one in my lists to kill one specific guy
thin ibex
im running zero blast spears cause i wanna triple shot my enemy leaders
see if i can just drop their lieutenants and commanders quick
thin ibex
not so good if they have monstrous leaders, but my plan for them is to just swamp them in kroot bodies
as long as i can control objectives and they cant murder all my kroot at once, i can tarpit easy
glad spear
Yeah that's what I've heard is the best play
I haven't played my kroot yet (they aren't built 
) but I've heard swarming the board and scoring to win is the general strategy
thin ibex
the biggest surprise for my opponents will be my sheer willingness to get into melee, and also that i do not use ftgg at all
my other two lists in this league are a full suit retaliation cadre
and a combined arms aux cadre
tired cairn
is 18 kroot rampagers too many?
Only if reduces the number of kroot hounds you can take
novel cove
floral herald
Yeah that makes sense
He’s right to be skeptical of things which don’t make any sense:p
paper bluff
She's clearly low rank since she needs way more augmentations
What if she's just a head with mechanendrite below neck