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#Warhammer and Such
sour sequoia
thin ibex
Yeah, what time is good for you? I have DnD at <t:1738456200:t> but should be pretty much free before then
Barring when I'm asleep
thin ibex
<@121403296916307968> You still up for some TTS 40k tomorrow?
Woops forgot to tag the reply
1k points, Pariah Nexus missions?
Got my list ready in think. Just need to load it into tts
mild glen
Got a new Krootox Rider friend to paint in today
wary cape
When is <t:1738508400:t> for you?
I can do later, just getting a sense of the time difference for us
mild glen
Considering trying to green stuff up a shoulder cloak for him. Thoughts?
thin ibex
I can do later, just getting a sense of the time difference for us
That's 9 am my side, I could do maybe 1 or 2 hours after that preferably if that was OK with you? Usually I'm up by 10/11
wary cape
For sure
thin ibex
<t:1738517400:t>?
thin ibex
Of course, though I'm not a seasoned vet myself đ
sour sequoia
Oooh rance whatcha playin
wary cape
Imp Knights
thin ibex
I'm trying to see if the majority of my irl tau collection will work. I expect a bit of a stomp, but we'll see if I can play the objective
rocky shale
Picked up 1900 points of Aeldari and drukhari models for $70 at the game start Re swap meet today holy shit
I didn't fully tally up the lot until now
Needs some TLC for some of it but uhhhh my shame pile ouch
wary cape
Nice
rocky shale
3 raiders missing almost all weapons and the sails lmao
That's gonna be an interesting repair
wary cape
Trying to think of how to do a fun paint job for an Armiger
I wonder if I could leave one leg just chrome metal with no colouring
Make it look like it;s a replacement leg
Or give it a war dog leg
rocky shale
Heavy weathering is fun
Or using random other armor bits from vehicles with like chain holding it on
topaz hinge
Weathering my beloved
rocky shale
Granted I have renegade war dogs not true armigers
runic swallow
3 raiders missing almost all weapons and the sails lmao
Honestly? Could try using model ship sails
Or just lil bits of canvas
rocky shale
I have an unassembled drukhari combat patrol which I think comes with spare sails
So that might work
runic swallow
Hopefully thatâll have some of the weapon mounts
dense sedge
picked up an achilles ridgerunner
floral herald
Nice
topaz elk
An interrogator doesnât have all the authority of an actual inquisitor right?
floral herald
They have less but it only matters in certain situations
topaz elk
Would it put them below a rogue trader?
floral herald
no
topaz elk
Iâm kinda wondering if Heinrix is actually my equal in this game
floral herald
An interrogator is basically an understudy/agent for a specific Inquisitor and can use the authority of their master when acting on their schemes
So they can't initiate stuff the same way and might be in trouble if they go "off book" compared with an inquisitor
But if you're not on the same poorly defined "authority granted directly by the Emperor" level you're lower anyway so it probably doesn't matter
topaz elk
Oh, what about Heinrixâs situation where heâs acting on orders from his master but is currently acting alone?
floral herald
(I haven't actually played the Rogue Trader game so I don't know the specifics - some Rogue Traders have Inquisition-tier authority in their Warrants of Trade)
topaz elk
Ah, well then I should probably explain
Heinrix is an interrogator whoâs inquisitorial master told me to escort to him
And heâs joined my retinue to help me get him back to his master
And Iâm curious if he actually holds more authority then the rogue trader I play
floral herald
It kinda depends on the specifics of the warrant but it's likely one of those uncomfortable situations where he's theoretically able to order you around but... he's on board your ship surrounded by your goons
topaz elk
Yah true
Big stick diplomacy tends to be the real answer in the imperium
An inquisitor can have all the authority in the imperium they want
If theyâre alone and surrounded by people with guns theyâre going to need to capitulate
floral herald
Semi-relevant 40k quote
topaz elk
That goes hard
runic swallow
Thatâs incredibly Metal
floral herald
Yeah it's one of my favorite 40k quotes I think
jagged dawn
Picked up the rogue trader game, kinda making us consider an agents of the imperium list
The only problem with that is AoI is fun in terms of like, theme
Not in terms of actual being a good army
past sphinx
If theyâre alone and surrounded by people with guns theyâre going to need to cap...
Id imagine quite a few careers have been cut short being particularly bold to a dark angel about some green clad heretic astartes
modest meadow
Yeah, the theme is fun
the gameplay is god awful
it's basically 7-8th ed Inquisition (better off as Add-ons to other armies to give them things they lack -usually deny the witch-)
But now you have the insulting implication that they can be played solo xD
topaz elk
Id imagine quite a few careers have been cut short being particularly bold to a ...
Look some interrogators gotta learn the hard way sometimes itâs best to let sleeping dogs lie when dealing with the dark angels
modest meadow
||there are no fallen commander. There never were.||
topaz elk
Or honestly astartes in general
modest meadow
P much
topaz elk
Theyâre indignant and full of secrets
past sphinx
Unless your the astral lions
topaz elk
And also some of the greatest armed forces in the imperium
past sphinx
Then you get shot and thrown in a ditch for trying to use the suggestion box
topaz elk
Who are the astral lions?
modest meadow
exactly
Imperial Fists Successor chapter
they wound up pissing off the inquisition and getting purged
past sphinx
Lotta ork sharpshooters in their operating area
modest meadow
mainly because they sided with the space wolves in "Yeah no. we're not doing this"
topaz elk
Oh theyâre the ork sharpshooters guys
modest meadow
Yeap, the last of the chapter is officially dead as they fought a rearguard action for their planet to protect the civilians
topaz elk
Yah itâs only a sometimes thing for the inquisition really
Sometimes youâre alone and outgunned and itâs better to cooperate
modest meadow
topaz elk
Sometimes you have your full retinue and essentially a private army
modest meadow
Honestly the inquisition has the reasonable and actually not likely to get corrupted members (Such as Amberly Vail)
The Lunatic manchilds (Basically any asshole responsible for the war between the space wolves and Inquisition)
topaz elk
Also did you mean the celestial lions?
modest meadow
And the people who take "By Any Means" quite literally and use demonic magic
Celestial Lions, Astral Lions, Tomato Tomatoe
topaz elk
The only thing I could find for astral lions is a homebrew chapter
modest meadow
but yeah in essence, the inquisition is home to either zealous manchildren
Actually Reasonable inquisitors
And People who snort warp dust and eventually become traitor heretics
soft willow
I feel like the middle sort tend to become one of the other two eventually.
topaz elk
And People who snort warp dust and eventually become traitor heretics
My favorite tbh
topaz elk
I feel like the middle sort tend to become one of the other two eventually.
Thatâs the opinion of Eisenhorn
soft willow
Who started as a reasonable inquisitor and now is a warp dust snorting traitor heretic.
floral herald
Tbh there isn't really a "reasonable" Inquisitor - at a minimum they're mass murdering unaccountable secret police
But there's degrees within the 40k level of reason haha
topaz elk
Yah but some only mass murder when they think thereâs no other option
soft willow
Yeah I mean we're talking within the pool of mass murdering unaccountable secret police membership where you fall.
runic swallow
Also, itâs so funny (and absolutely intentional) how Eisenhorn ||ends up being the exact kind of guy he was after in the first book ||
topaz elk
Which by 40K standards basically makes you a saint
floral herald
Also, itâs so funny (and absolutely intentional) how Eisenhorn ||ends up being t...
Yeah word
soft willow
Also, itâs so funny (and absolutely intentional) how Eisenhorn ||ends up being t...
The guy who was trying to ||pariah nexus years before Cawl was written into the lore||
modest meadow
What little I know of Eisenhorn
makes me feel that when it comes to the Grey knights and the inquisition
The writing tends to sway and dip erratically
And this is likely also the case for anything Ynnari/Cawl related too
Very based though that in a meeting with the cadian high council in BFGA2 Cawl is seen calculating whether he should ASSASSINATE URSAKAR E CREED LMAO XD
runic swallow
Iâm pretty sure cawl would run that calculation on literally anyone he meets
soft willow
Cawl has a copy of himself that just constantly does that somewhere in his robes.
modest meadow
There's probably another copy that runs the numbers on Killing someone and replacing them with a clone
But yeah though, the odds Inquisition will ever be good is Hell and No
They just lack enough stuff of their own to be good at anything, and when you're having to snap over other factions as part of their own roster, by that point you might as well play someone else
The Deathwatch supplement kinda barren though ngl
Eh, atleast it's there as it's own sorta codex
And yknow, with deathwatch toys -rip the special rounds mechanic though-
and yknow, is elite :3
Been debating making a 10E Deathwatch list
Havent 40k tabletopped in AWHILE, any recommendations on A good points value to start out in?
Also been debating a Custodes List
brittle salmon
2k is the competitive points value these days, I'd start there
finite compass
Sometimes you have your full retinue and essentially a private army
And sometimes the retinue and army doesn't matter, because the Chapter Master of the First Founding Chapter that you pissed off just teleports onto the bridge of your warship and straight-up cuts your head off.
modest meadow
(Also not sure if it affects your advice or outcome but fyi I play Online via TTS only)
topaz elk
And sometimes the retinue and army doesn't matter, because the Chapter Master of...
Did that actually happen to someone?
modest meadow
And sometimes the retinue and army doesn't matter, because the Chapter Master of...
Honestly can't wait to hear how hard the inquisition shit bricks when Rogal Dorn comes back and finds out what happened to the Celestial Lions
modest meadow
Did that actually happen to someone?
IIRC it happened to the dickhead who started the shadow war between the space wolves and inquisition
finite compass
Did that actually happen to someone?
Yes
The guy that decided it would be a good idea to go after the Space Wolves for protesting culling Armageddon's population after the first war
floral herald
Did that actually happen to someone?
I think thatâs referring to the conflict between the grey knights and space wolves after the 1st war for armageddon
finite compass
That's what ended up happening to him
topaz elk
Oh of course it was the space wolves
modest meadow
Very Based NGL
finite compass
Granted this was after the guy had already decided he was going to besiege Fenris and had fired on the Fang, IIRC
While literally everybody around him, including the Grey Knights, are telling him that this is an extremely stupid idea
modest meadow
Kynaros is the posterchild for Manchild Inquisitors
owing mainly to the fact that he is the main reason you behave VERY well in ANY area where Space wolves are if you happen to have an inquisitorial Signet.
finite compass
Pretty much the ur-example of "Infinite Authority does not mean Infinite Authority"
modest meadow
Because even if the war 'ended', they sure as shit do not trust your ass anymore
finite compass
Or "Your authority stretches precisely as far as the patience of anyone with the capability to deal with you"
modest meadow
The whole thing was laughable too as IIRC the evacuated armageddon soldiers didn't even cause a massive explosion of chaos cults so
Kynaros kinda lost his shit and hit the purge command for no reason and alot of good troops wound up getting murdered for a really petty and stupid reason
I would not be surprised if anytime someone starts being really stupid and unreasonably blamming of friendlies, that the space wolves call it 'Pulling a Kynaros'
finite compass
He lost his shit because 'how dare you openly defy me'
modest meadow
Honestly, If Grimnar didn't merk him, odds were very high that eventually one of his own troops would
Probably the Grey Knights or a member of the Officio Assassinorum
He was more of a dick then Goge Vandire, because atleast Goge Vandire was just a tyrannical corrupt asshole
Kynaros was just petty.
finite compass
``âShields! I want them back up before theyââ A second blinding light flashed across the command deck. The first had been from the outside, and easy enough to look away from. No luck, this time. It was close enough to feel, and it was a feeling I knew so very well.
...
Iâd never seen a warrior sprinting in Terminator warplate. He ran through the fiery mist of a teleportation storm, with no hint of the sluggishness Iâd felt on Armageddon. Impossible as it was, I swore I could hear the pounding of his boots, and the screaming whine of protesting servo joints, over the ship falling apart around us. Sparks burst from every racing step he took
I couldnât even conceive of the power and rage it would take to force Terminator plate to react against its will like that. I fired at him. Malchadiel fired at him. Our storm bolters crashed and boomed and blasted chunks of ceramite away with no effect at all.
...
Kysnaros faced the old warrior, weaponless and clad only in ceremonial power armour. He said nothing. He never had time to whisper a single word.
The old warriorâs axe didnât even slow down going through him. Lord Inquisitor Kysnarosâs head fell from his shoulders, rolling and banging down the steps. The body toppled a second later, collapsing back into the command throne.
Logan Grimnar raised the axe Morkai in one hand, roaring a howl to the burning bridge around him. For every crew member reaching for their sidearms, two dozen were abandoning their stations for the escape pods. ``
And at the end it basically takes Bjorn himself to step in and go
"You. Calm down. You. Fuck off. It's over."
modest meadow
Very based
also, Ceremonial power armour. Weaponless
What a joke of an inquisitor
everyone knows that it is in true imperial fashion to have WEAPON AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES
bet that chump didn't even have a digital weapon.
I bet he never even thought that someone might consider attempting a boarding action.
finite compass
Even Eisenhorn has the Mighty Katana of Welsh Ninjas
modest meadow
I BELIEVE YOU BUT ITS STILL CURSED XD
finite compass
Even the original wielder's name is very Welsh
Arianrhod
He also had the walking stick/psi focus but IIRC that blew up
modest meadow
3h Flashback intensifies
3h Memes aside
what a chode
Inquisition Fans, yknow why your codex sucks?
points to Kysnaros It's his fault.
Which Detachment should I pick?
brittle salmon
Black Spear Task Force is the Deathwatch specific one, but you can take DW units in any detachment
modest meadow
Im leaning towards Black Spear Task Force for maximum Flavor Flave - and those sweet mission tactics -
That or Anvil Siege force
Which do you recommend Briar?
brittle salmon
Black Spear has the better synergies with your DW stuff imo
Especially Kraken Rounds and Site to Site Teleportation
SST is absolutely yolked mobility
thin ibex
While literally everybody around him, including the Grey Knights, are telling hi...
The thing I most dislike about the Armageddon story involving Logan is how he beheaded a grey knights Grand Master in one swoop within giving them a chance to react. I just don't buy it. A lord Inquisitor maybe. A GK grandmaster? I buy Logan winning but no dif? Questionable.
modest meadow
Tbf most do not expect someone to teleport onto a ship ALONE, then manage to be blindingly fast in TERMINATOR armor
finite compass
thin ibex
See in the original telling, as I remember, Logan teleports into the bridge and asks who ordered them to fire, the gk owns it, then immediately eats it
As Logan one shots him
modest meadow
as with most things 40k
power levels are nebulous and range from getting owned like a mook guardsman to
lifting a freaking necron monolith like it were a 5 lb dumbbell
thin ibex
It's before the teleport assault during the siege of fenris
desert jay
Still kinda wild that there are twenty-one SM detachments with four more expected (possibly more)
modest meadow
Still kinda wild that there are *twenty-one* SM detachments with four more expec...
I do not envy the poor sods who have to run the numbers balance wise on THAT many detachments
thin ibex
The instagibbing of the grand Master was during a parlay where the inquisition broke the rules of the parlay. During the siege of fenris Logan just merked the bridge. There's no single force in the Imperium that believes they can freely fuck with Logan
Iirc to the Imperium at large he has a sterling rep, to the high lords he's not so well liked
modest meadow
well the high lords dont like anyone who actively challenges em
Thats why they dont like the adepta sororitas high lord
Should I outfit my Watch Master with the tome of ectoclades or
Beacon Angelis
Hey so @brittle salmon is this a NewRecruit Whoopsie or
Can I literally only have my watch masters and Watch Captain Aramius leading Deathwatch specific units
modest meadow
Owch. If not for the fact the other Deathwatch squad types have some pretty redonk rules I'd be much more miffed.
how many hqs- er, heroes- Should I have?
(Even if the name's changed It's still HQ to me)
mild glen
They're "Characters" in 40k. "Heroes" in AoS.
modest meadow
oh my mistake
It's confusing as the named ones in NewRecruit are listed under Epic Heroes (For.. some reason. Why not epic characters to keep with the rest of the org list?)
mild glen
"Character" is such an awkward name to give them, too. Like. technically, they're all characters.
mild glen
Personally, I call them "Command" or "HQ"
modest meadow
Same
as well, in 8th ed that WAS the Slot they were tagged under
and it made sense
Hmmm
Weird, Wahapedia says Librarians and Lieutenants can lead them
modest meadow
I have elected to make the following killteam
Captain in Gravis Armour (80pts): Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle and Master-crafted Power Weapon, Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle, Master-crafted Power Weapon
Librarian in Terminator Armour (100pts): Force Weapon, Smite, Thief of Secrets, Storm Bolter
Watch Master (130pts): Vigil spear, Warlord, Beacon Angelis
5x Deathwatch Veterans (100pts)
5x Deathwatch Veterans (100pts)
5x Deathwatch Veterans (100pts)
5x Deathwatch Terminator Squad (180pts)
10x Fortis Kill Team (200pts)
10x Indomitor Kill Team (270pts)
5x Spectrus Kill Team (200pts)
Corvus Blackstar (180pts): Armoured hull, Twin assault cannon, 2 Stormstrike missile launchers, 2x Stormstrike missile launcher, Infernum halo-launcher
Corvus Blackstar (180pts): Armoured hull, Twin lascannon, 2 Blackstar rocket launchers, 2x Blackstar rocket launcher, Infernum halo-launcher
Corvus Blackstar (180pts): Armoured hull, Twin assault cannon, 2 Stormstrike missile launchers, 2x Stormstrike missile launcher, Infernum halo-launcher
And their specific loadouts because Discord and displaying Deathwatch Kill-Team loadouts are mutually exclusive
or induce wall of text hell
brittle salmon
Sadly I am gonna need to recommend you drop the Corvuses entirely
10e Fliers are...not good
dense idol
warhammer economics question: why are there so many Royal Wardens?
i feel like they're the single most common miniature on the secondhand market for necrons and can pretty easily be found for 50% off RRP
were they nerfed hard in the new edition and now everybody's trying to offload them onto someone else?
modest meadow
Sadly I am gonna need to recommend you drop the Corvuses entirely
Roger that, replace em with impulsors or rhinos then?
jaunty dawn
warhammer economics question: why are there so many Royal Wardens?
They were in indomitus, the starter set for 9th edition
However unlike pretty much every other unit from indomitus like warriors etc, theres not really much use for having multiple
Uh yeah and starter sets are like, insane value compared to how their components are later priced by gw
Like you can get a bunch of just the characters of the space marine side of that set for like ÂŁ90 when at launch the whole box was like ÂŁ130 or something
dense idol
so they were part of a bundle set with multiple wardens each, and it's difficult to practically put more than one into a list?
modest meadow
More like it is pointlessly redundant
Generally speaking even with character auras now being reduced to whatever unit you're attached to
The reasons for taking another copy of a unit boil down to just how useful the unit is for it's combat capabilities and it's attached unit boons
dense idol
suppose i should have learned about this before buying three of them alongside everything else
oh well, i didn't invest this deep to not be painting useless plastic
modest meadow
pat pat
I mean you could always just use them anyways
Tabletops are meant to be fun not a metafest
dense idol
a couple months ago i went into a fugue state and bought ÂŁ200 of necrons off of ebay
resulting in a pretty unhinged list that is absolutely not meta
but i'm content with that, metachasing will only leave me in a perpetual state of torment with each new balance update
and distracts from the models' true purpose: looking swag on my shelf
jagged dawn
Weird, Wahapedia says Librarians and Lieutenants can lead them
Yeah kill teams are weird
dense idol
Trazyn the Infinite
2x Overlord
Plasmancer
3x Royal Warden
Skorpekh Lord
Technomancer
5x Immortals
20x Necron Warriors
6x Skorpekh Destroyers
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms
1x Canoptek Reanimator
1x Night Scythe```the models in question
modest meadow
XD ehehehe, well it's your baby, you do as you wish with it hehehe
tranquil ivy
Working on my first Devastator squad member
Gonna give him a Combi Weapon for the time being
This will be the sergeant
jaunty dawn
Niceee
tranquil ivy
Oh yeah and here's an Ancient
tranquil ivy
The base lmao
I took it from my leviathan Terminator seeing as he is now an Adrax Agatone "proxy"
So it was laying there unused until now, because the ancient needs a fancy base
Im already in the levels of chaos so might as well put a Tau fire warrior on one of my bases
"As a corpse?" Hah, no. As an ally.
upper canopy
I think I'm gonna make Tau my first 40k army
tardy vault
Their battleforce box is still around rn
floral herald
Still kinda wild that there are *twenty-one* SM detachments with four more expec...
Is that counting CSM or are there a bunch more specific chapter detachments than I remember?
desert jay
8 general, 2 Black Templar, 4 Blood Angel, 4 Dark Angel, 1 Deathwatch, 2 Space Wolves
That comes out to 21
Grotmas added 6 of those
upper canopy
My goal would be to run the mixed army of Tauu I think
floral herald
Oh I forgot how many DA and BA had
desert jay
3 per book plus Grotmas, yeah
upper canopy
My plan for the Tau is to make the colony from my W&G game
Charstone
My friend even gave me a paint list
Grey Seer primer
Black Templar Contrast
and Blood Angels Red contrast
thin ibex
Nice!
modest meadow
Send pics when it's done heheheh â¤ď¸
cinder wraith
my gf's anniversary gift
modest meadow
what a grand anniversary gift ^.^
cinder wraith
when we started to date she told me she likes custodes so i bought her a set of sisters of silence
so i painted her first model
and taught her how to build and paint
3 years later i am working on the last model for her army
its poetic tbh
modest meadow
Awwwh ^.^
pulsar cairn
my gf's anniversary gift
is it you who received the gift?
Oooh u got her this gift
Ur a cool gf Ruby
mental birch
Cuteee
tranquil ivy
Problem: My "Gravis" captain doesnt have a boltstorm gauntlet
Solution: heavy armaments
jaunty dawn
That praetor model is pretty cool
tranquil ivy
That praetor model is pretty cool
Yea its a pushfit model that comes in a set of 2
I turned one into my Vulkan Hestan "proxy"
So the Praetor is becoming my Gravis Captain for my Aggressors
solemn gull
https://underthedice.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/utdflyer3-2.png
Hell yeah Under the Dice fest is so cool I love Hive Scum
Iâm 1 of their 3 listeners
tired cairn
Oh yeah and here's an Ancient
I fear no man, but that thing (a banner to paint), it scares me
solemn gull
Pixelâs space marines have so much drip
thin ibex
question, for pariah nexus i see this
Shuffle the Deployment, Mission Rule and Primary Mission decks, then draw one card from each of those decks for both players to use during the battle.
but you dont use 2 deployments, mission rules, or primary missions
wait
im dumb
i get it now
thin ibex
i was reading draw one each for both players
and was like ???
"Yeah well im deploying in this table corner"
tired cairn
You are welcome for the help we provided (being a rubber deck)
thin ibex
hmm i gotta find the tactical mission deck somewhere on the workshop
sour sequoia
Leviathan or pariah nexus
thin ibex
pariah
thin ibex
thats an app?
floral herald
i was reading draw one each for both players
This would be fucking hilarious for deployment rules
Bad
But really funny
sour sequoia
Idk if it has mission rules though?
it is a match log/tracker, got every set of mission rules and the bells and whistles
jaunty dawn
Ive only used it for kill team
sour sequoia
its pretty much stock practice every tourney I go to since GW under-printed Pariah Nexus to an insane degree
jaunty dawn
Mm fair
paper bluff
my gf's anniversary gift
I really need to get a set of the fists for the telemon
solemn gull
Do competitive players generally care if their opponent uses stuff from legends? (It's a casual game I just don't know if there is a stigma or something.)
tardy vault
You need to get the ok from your opponent to use Legends stuff
Because the balance can vary wildly
(there's a dwarf army of renown in AoS that is Legends for good fucking reason)
solemn gull
hmmm alright thanks it's just 5 scout snipers but I'll keep it in mind to notify the other player
jagged dawn
Ahahaha!
Knights are getting combat patrol rules in the next white dwarf issue
rocky shale
Ahahaha!
Knights are getting combat patrol rules in the next white dwarf issue
...
Well consider me curious as to how they pull that off
solemn gull
combat patrol is the one where you are given a set list for your faction right?
solemn gull
yeah that's why I fell out of love with killteam
tired cairn
I am guessing it'll be a bunch of little guys. I think 3 could work
But maybe there is a new unit coming that makes it work better
(techno feudal levies go!)
Oh it says little guys specifically lol
solemn gull
that will be really cool, I wonder if it will just be skitarii tho
thin ibex
game on pause with rance! 33 to 28 round 3
im winning a flank but his actual night is getting ready to do what proper knights do
i think round 3-4-5 are going to be me just not shooting, just moving objectives the rest of htegame
we both made some errors in deployment judgement
rotate ion shields is a huge fuck you to my broadside
floral herald
Noice
quaint compass
Small-point games against GSC and SPAYSE MARINES were both loses.
SM is new to the game but got mostly his brother's old 4e era models, and wiped me in two rounds
GSC is my eternal nemesis and foe, and I only lost by 5 points and I was at a points disadvantage
GSC is dastardly to play against, because they're eels covered in a clown's honk juice
Kill them in one place, they come back in another
raw vessel
pastel rampart
Moe Moe Kyorne~ đ
modest meadow
Somewhere, you just made a 40k purist have a seizure
pastel rampart
modest meadow
**C O N T I N U E đ **
solemn gull
I don't get it
pastel rampart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM2cYLH27R8 It's from this
solemn gull
what does that have to do with stupid huge axe?
quaint compass
Master of Executions
modest meadow
It's a funny pun! ^.^
topaz hinge
Ahahaha!
Knights are getting combat patrol rules in the next white dwarf issue
...
This is rich when they've been pulling vehicles from all the new combat patrols
jagged dawn
This is rich when they've been pulling vehicles from all the new combat patrols
Tbf other armies can field things other than vehicles
desert jay
For those days where you need to execute a demigod
modest meadow
is that a princess mononoke ref?
desert jay
It wasn't but it is now
I was mostly talking about like Primarchs and Avatars of Khaine and whatnot
thin ibex
I need more Avatar of Khaine glazing instead of Worfing
desert jay
I did put them on the same tier as Primarchs, TBF
desert jay
... Do you think a Hive Tyrant counts as a demigod?
Like they're not the biggest bioforms but they are like... sorta a manefestation of a hive fleet's will upon the battlefield?
bold halo
I genuinely can't wait to field my new avatar with the new aspect warrior detachment
oh you killed it? 50/50 chance it still kills you back lets go gambling
floral herald
tired cairn
Though, isn't Khan one of the more well-adjusted Primarchs?
floral herald
Yeah he was cooking there
tired cairn
Clearly the Primarchs just needed to find normal hobbies
upper canopy
Jagahtai was just designed to be Asian the rest was coincidence
desert jay
I still think Mortarion was pretty well adjusted until... the incident
quaint compass
Jaghatai was condensed from the genetic samples of eight million people in the asian mainland
E-Boy accidentally recombined Genghis Khan's DNA and cloned him
desert jay
Wait, is Jaghatai the only primarch with an explicit ethnicity?
thin ibex
I think leman gets norse/ germanic?
desert jay
Yeah thought of him after asking
But still, that leaves us with 1 asian guy, 1 nordic guy, 15 generically white, and then whatever Vulkan has going on
floral herald
He really doesnât look it though
topaz hinge
Weren't Angron and Perturabo POCs? Or is that just fanon?
pastel rampart
Perty's pretty white.
thin ibex
He really doesnât look it though
True, though that's only one element of ethnicity
floral herald
I think Perterabo is sometimes thought of as Greek or Hellenic
paper bluff
Iirc fulgrim was going to land on chogoris but the laughing god switched him and jagatai
bright dove
Thank you Big Clown.
spice flicker
thin ibex
Classic anti astartes strategy, build your homes to account for distributed weight of normal humans and not the concentrated weight of a space marine
thin ibex
tranquil ivy
What real use does an Ancient have in a game of 40k?
pale narwhal
it's a cheap way to get some extra OC on a unit, essentially
and or be a caddy for an enhancement that buffs the squad it's with (but really for the cost an apothecary is better for that imo)
Terminator and Bladeguard Ancients are more use than the basic one imo
tranquil ivy
It appears i have accidentally built another Chapter Master
pale narwhal
that's sick as fuck
tranquil ivy
:3
Funny enough this is meant to be my Gravis Captain, lmao
The big ass autocannon is the boltstorm gauntlet
Kitbashing is so fucking fun lmao
tranquil ivy
it's a cheap way to get some extra OC on a unit, essentially
and or be a caddy ...
I'm sure this can pass off as a Bladeguard Ancient, lmao
pale narwhal
I'm sure this can pass off as a Bladeguard Ancient, lmao
oh for sure
pale narwhal
Kitbashing is so fucking fun lmao
the heresy era stuff is really good for firstborn conversion fodder
pale narwhal
it does
I've got a bunch of 'intercessors' made from the HH beaky tacticals for my carcharodons and assault marines for jump intercessors
and they just look sick, even unpainted
tranquil ivy
it does
I've got a bunch of 'intercessors' made from the HH beaky tacticals for...
I mean
pale narwhal
I gotta get pics of mine once I get them painted
I've also converted a judiciar out of bits plus an old metal BT torso+legs
tranquil ivy
I made a judiciar out of a librarian, lol
mild glen
Krootox painted! Man, these guys are fun.
mental birch
I am guessing it'll be a bunch of little guys. I think 3 could work
3 is too many
Hahahha
2 maybe
paper bluff
A triumvirate chapter
solemn gull
What real use does an Ancient have in a game of 40k?
Showing off your awesome painting skills on that banner
thin ibex
ancients are cool imo
a bit sad they're mostly for extra OC, but thats ok. They're also standard in a company heroes squad
tired cairn
3 is too many
You can nerf them a bit. Two probably isn't enough units?
The OC added by ancients is applied after battle shock sets it to zero right?
tired cairn
Oh, completely ignoring the normal mission rules is an interesting way to do things
jagged dawn
soft willow
One step closer to a Kill Team that's just one Armiger.
cinder wraith
nah, boss battle lol
pastel rampart
nah, boss battle lol
runic swallow
One step closer to a Kill Team that's just one Armiger.
Boss battle: Warhound Foot
tired cairn
A secutarii kill team that gets a strat to have the nearby titan try to step on someone
floral herald
Can kinda proxy this with Starstriders honestly
tired cairn
True
pulsar cairn
Which chaos marine hates their god the most? 
I imagine not everyone of them is happy with being bound to a chaos god
jaunty dawn
Ahriman isnt very happy
bright dove
I think the Thousand Sons have the most regrets
pulsar cairn
Makes sense 
Even more considering how Ahriman is like the main chaos marine for the thousand sons and he himself refuses to believe he serves tzeench
Probably not the only thousand son to think that way
bright dove
Everyone who knowingly serves Tzeentch knows they're part of his plan, some just have to grapple with the fact they don't matter
sour sequoia
I fully subscribe to alpha legion actually being tzeentchâs favored legion
TSons are his neglected barbie doll to pick apart and torment
paper bluff
Which chaos marine hates their god the most? <:vicksyAww:1324105444926689413>
kinda Fabius Bile
Slaanesh looked at him directly and he went "nah, nothing there"
A dramatic reading of the event
You know the saying that the true opposite of love is not hate but apathy? Bile is turbo apathetic to slaanesh
deft crest
whats the leak?
oh i scrolled down sorry
Yeah I really hope not. I like khorne demons and they are going to be the only thing I play in either version of warhammer tbh.
If we don't have demons I'll feel robbed as hell
sour sequoia
If we don't have demons I'll feel robbed as hell
my not-particularly-advantaged inference with EC coming back is daemons are going into their respective cults like AoS's setups and the game gets less soup-y
khorne daemons and world eaters as one codex, tsons and tzeentch stuff as one, etc.
there's no way in hell daemons aren't gonna be in warhammer
The Warp is like the biggest distinction 40k really has, you can get authoritarian govt and super-soldiers at Temu
deft crest
As long as they don't cut back on how many demons exist or at least how many demons exist for Khorne cuz there's really not that many variations upon red guy with horns plus sword
sour sequoia
Not certain how it shakes out in 40k but I think it did em good fantasy side, Blades of Khorne has like. Some Depth & Tricks to it
the ranges feel more varied over there
jaunty dawn
i think itd be a net positive tbh
feel for daemon soup players but its an awkward army
while stuff like khorne daemonkin is very beloved
but like daemons are always trying to thread a needle of making monogods viable etc its a lot
thin ibex
I'll be honest they in general feel like "greater demon rushdown" the faction
floral herald
If I had a Time Machine Iâd go back to 5th edition and tweak the timeline so that WHFB and 40k daemons donât get 100% model crossover
I want more fucked up technodaemons
Like the occasional margin art we got in Arks of Omen
floral herald
Bed timeline
floral herald
Nw
tardy vault
but what if when 11th edition launches daemons are cut as the leak claims, but they are also the bad guy in the launch box with a new model line of fucked up technodaemons
floral herald
Iâd take it haha
rocky shale
Csm gets all daemons and now have 100 datasheets
bright dove
Good. Return to tradition.
floral herald
Csm gets all daemons and now have 100 datasheets
Primaris could never
solemn gull
when will chaos get Primaris Daemons
pulsar cairn
Primaris Daemons?
You mean like a Daemon equivalent of getting a primaris model? Or daemonic primaris marines?
runic swallow
I mean I wouldnât turn up my nose at Techno-Gal Vorbak
Man those were some cool models
past sphinx
a proper greater possessed kit
solemn gull
You mean like a Daemon equivalent of getting a primaris model? Or daemonic prima...
just a joke about primaris-izing everything, although no one will stop you from using primaris models as chaos marines
tardy vault
I have decided my goal for this round of the escalation league
(reinforced unit of spear snakes with full buffs against a unit with 4+ save and no ward)
sour sequoia
I think only time Iâve managed that number was spiking on warpcog ratling guns
Godspeed
Hey this read as an acceptable deathmark conversion to yall?
brittle salmon
Is that a Firepike?
sour sequoia
That is deathmark bits chopped up onto the old sculpt of warrior
sour sequoia
Back when literally all necrons were the same torso
I have 80 unpainted warriors iâm trying to be economical with
meager wagon
Running three Rupture Cannon Tyrannofexes is funny
tired cairn
I hear you like gambling
pale narwhal
it's not so much gambling now they're d6+6 instead of 2d6 damage
pulsar cairn
just a joke about primaris-izing everything, although no one will stop you from ...
oh
junior robin
finally, the emperors forks primaris lieutenant
the cable feels non-admech so think necromunda
floral herald
Iâm getting GSC vibes but canât justify them
upper bluff
Yeah Admech wouldnt have a striped cable
pastel rampart
Servitors would tho.
upper bluff
True
quaint compass
I must unfortunately bet necromunda
thin ibex
iron warriors codex teaser is what it is
floral herald
Prime the copemageddon guns, my wallet will burn
thin ibex
perty is coming out of his cage and he's been doing just fine
quaint compass
Ain't no party until Perty pops perks
tired cairn
They teased a Salamander "supplement". Is this new for that chapter or have they been special snowflakes before?
desert jay
For all we know it's just special units like Ultras have special units
tired cairn
I suspect they will put in Salamander specific detachments
unreal cosmos
I suspect they just used a Salamanders picture for a generic Space Marines expansion
tired cairn
For all we know it's just special units like Ultras have special units
Though it's interesting that is the case but Ultramarines don't have the malus for using generic space marine detachments đ¤
desert jay
Same with the handful of Imperial Fist and White Scar units already there
desert jay
I suspect they just used a Salamanders picture for a generic Space Marines expan...
But also yeah this is possible, just a book for space marines in general
tired cairn
Same with the handful of Imperial Fist and White Scar units already there
Is it more than just characters for them?
desert jay
I donât remember TBH
tired cairn
I guess they don't have enough for the noncomplient-codex treatment (though Ultramarines superfriends is somewhat popular in the meta iirc lol)
tepid stratus
The codex compliant chapters have only ever had special characters. Never generic units
desert jay
Right, yeah
tepid stratus
With the sole exception (tho still a character) of white scars briefly having a dedicated bike captain
desert jay
And also Tyranic War Veterans
tepid stratus
Right I keep forgetting they actually had a datasheet and weren't just stern guard alt sculpts
jaunty dawn
They teased a Salamander "supplement". Is this new for that chapter or have they...
Every codex first founding got a supplement in 8th
Iron hands and white scars also received supplements during 7th
jaunty dawn
The codex compliant chapters have only ever had special characters. Never generi...
Also honour guard
pastel rampart
Sally's got their own list way back in 3rd via Codex: Armageddon, so they've had a long-standing precedence.
jaunty dawn
Tbf in 3e every first founding had rules and units via chapter approved
And then a bunch of stuff became generically available instead of chapter rules
pastel rampart
I think Imp Fists maybe didn't?
jaunty dawn
In 4e
Um
Idk all my oldhammer archive is inaccessible atm :(((
But for salamanders it was stuff like adamantium mantle
Used to be their thing specificslly
pastel rampart
Ayup, looks like no IF rules in 3rd.
pastel rampart
BT got rules via Codex Armageddon, but that felt inevitable given they were front and center for the 3e rulebook.
jaunty dawn
While ultramarines used to have a named character for every slot
pastel rampart
Yeah
jaunty dawn
In any case
It would be kinda unusual to see just a salamander supplement but not unprecedented
Um
soft willow
Fists got rules in 4th.
jaunty dawn
I think they had a unique dread at some point actually
soft willow
Along with some character models specifically for them.
Lysander was the big one for several editions.
jaunty dawn
Did they? Characters yes but I think the 4e model was just very cool chapter tactics rules
That essentially split up most of the good stuff from the 3e chapter specific rules and let you do your own thing
soft willow
I mean yeah it was just the Bolter Drill
But if you wanted to play Fists that's what you had.
They've never had their own rules suppliment.
Though obviously some of the successor chapters from them did.
jaunty dawn
I think the thing is âgot rulesâ implies rules that arent attached to a character imo
soft willow
Fair.
jaunty dawn
Since apart from iron hands (lol) everyone had a charater
pastel rampart
Yeah, specifically lists rather than rules, ie alternate rules for the army with an accompanying altered army list.
soft willow
Yeah I can't think of any time Fists have had one, but as was pointed out they're pretty strictly Codex compliant.
What with the whole RD/RG Civil War standoff bit.
pastel rampart
IF was the only founding chapter that didn't have an army list in 3rd, though I guess Ultras didn't either--they were the default codex army list with no special rules, just a few characters.
jaunty dawn
Unlocked tank hunters outside veterans and gave them the downside of
At the end of the game your opponent can ask for a bonus round with 4+ to succeed
Which at the time like every mission was end of game scoring so
jaunty dawn
Oh there you go
pastel rampart
Of course, their special rules only really work when doing missions that have fortifications which was...not common.
jaunty dawn
Starting the tradition of niche fists rules early
pastel rampart
Yeah lol
...man, y'know, 3e was crusty as fuck but I still kinda like it and if someone wanted to play it again I'd have to argue with myself not to give it a go again.
tired cairn
Iron hands and white scars also received supplements during 7th
7e was the edition of Too Many Factions right (notably ad mech and skitarii being split in a bad way)
jaunty dawn
Pretty much
It was the edition that like really established the roster
Though I was wrong clan raukaan was 6th edition
6th and 7th kinda just blend together tbh
Oh but white scars was 7th and there was also a raven guard one lol
And the iron hands one remained legal
upper bluff
Yeah 7 also had scions right?
jaunty dawn
6th edition was like
7 added scions, harlequins, thousand sons, admechâŚ
There was also a cadia supplement haha
6th edition started the trend of silly iron hands rules
You could make invincible bike captain etc
Oh and custodes
uneven ember
There's always this balance between "here are rules for these specific dudes to match their flavor" and "here's some examples of different flavors of dude you can spin up with the generic rules"
runic swallow
6th edition started the trend of silly iron hands rules
Man I remember that, iron hands were crazy for a while
thin ibex
iron hands were dominant in sm meta for like 3 editions
iirc
they were on top of the ball all the way till like the end of early 10th iirc
thin ibex
Competitive kings, but no major lore supplements
jaunty dawn
Iron hands are semi regularly busted
And its funny cause it makes them vastly outsized compared to how often they get lore
thin ibex
gw lives in fear of the next time iron hands rise again
jaunty dawn
But like in 5th edition iron hands didnt have any rules at all!
cause in codex ultramarines space marines you could only access chapter tactics that werent ultramarines by taking a special character
And iron hands didnt get one
I think, ironically, their successor the sons of medusa might have, as badab war had characters for pretty much every chapter involved and if you got a chapter master they would have a chapter tactic
Badab also gave salamanders a unique dread character
pastel rampart
I think, ironically, their successor the sons of medusa might have, as badab war...
IA vol 10, Badab War pt2.
floral herald
And iron hands didnt get one
At the time people played them as Space Wolves haha
jaunty dawn
With good reason
Proxying bjorn gets you a character dread and wolf guard pack leaders gets you sergeants in terminator armour
floral herald
Yeah
jaunty dawn
http://puu.sh/KnEt9/65bee0a268.jpg
Love how purge the weak is worded haha
tired cairn
Apparently they skipped cardio while busy installing the cybernetic enhancements
pastel rampart
Yeah like dev squads were going to do a lot of running or sweeping advances, hah
modern tiger
Love how purge the weak is worded haha
yeah thats so cool
uneven ember
cause in codex ~~ultramarines~~ space marines you could only access chapter tact...
didn't much care for that, btw
nothing against special characters, as such, just kinda :/ when they're just "The Cooler Daniel" to anything you might make up for yourself
rocky shale
FYI the hachette combat patrol magazine is up for pre-orders in the US if you want to have entirely too many models of like 8 factions.
floral herald
Hachette combat patrol magazine?
rocky shale
Hachette combat patrol magazine?
Yeah it's like a magazine subscription with models and paint
floral herald
Huh wild
jaunty dawn
Good way to get stuff cheap on ebay too
Especially since they dont always like, list the contents of an issue just its number so
desert jay
AIUI it's a good deal if you want all the models but also yeah it's like 8 different factions
jaunty dawn
didn't much care for that, btw
nothing against special characters, as such, just...
A lot of the 5th ed codexes were bleh
tired cairn
Wow, it's planned over 90 months
desert jay
SM, CSM, Weaters, Eldar, Nids, Guard, GSC, Votann, and Orks
jaunty dawn
The paint issues are like pretty bad
desert jay
I guess that's 9
jaunty dawn
But then you also get like some massive centerpiece over two issues
rocky shale
I'm just hoping the aledari models go on ebay real cheap
rocky shale
I need more bikes
desert jay
Like 1500 USD for 4000(?) pts of units?
jaunty dawn
But yeah it injects cheap plastic into the market that people sell on for still much less than buying it otherwise
desert jay
(Assuming there's 9 patrols and each is a bit shy of 500 pts each)
rocky shale
9 patrols plus bonus models
desert jay
(Some nerd out there has probably ID'd all the kits in the preview already)
past sphinx
I've scored 3 rhinos for 65 bucks, time for high speed csm
jaunty dawn
Previous iterations were like much less spread out faction wise though
desert jay
... At 1 issue a month and GW's release cadence then issue 90 will arrive during 12e
Oh wait no it's 4 issues per month, belay that
rocky shale
Yeah it's a little over a year
jaunty dawn
Yeah
desert jay
It will be 22 months tho which is still probably a little into 11e
tired cairn
Oh, that's a bit more reasonable of a planned time frame
rocky shale
I can't wait to spend 2 years building 9 combat patrols /s
jaunty dawn
i feel like the combat patrol deal would be better if combat patrol was a more fun game mode haha
As is spreading out the factions seems awkward
tired cairn
It's just under $1575 for all the main stuff (with S&H included and not the premium stuff)
So $175/combat patrol plus bonus models plus random junk they give you
rocky shale
Yeah once you get the paints and extra models and stuff then it becomes a discount
tired cairn
So it's not an amazing deal (since you can probably get a similar discount from just buying it from a non-GW store?)
tired cairn
i feel like the combat patrol deal would be better if combat patrol was a more f...
Hopefully they fix that at some point. I've heard really good things about the AoS version
rocky shale
The discount comes from also getting a pile of citadel paint and some flashy bonus kits, yeah
tardy vault
Hopefully they fix that at some point. I've heard really good things about the A...
The best part about Spearhead is they aren't nuking the old boxes.
You can currently buy both the Chaos Warriors and Dark Oath boxes rn for example
tired cairn
It's hard to evaluate the flashy models, but you need to get more than like $30+/combat patrol of stuff for it to be more of a discount over the third party discount
tardy vault
also, AoS doesn't have the whole "either every box needs AT or no boxes can have a vehicle" thing
Because toughness doesn't exist
tired cairn
The best part about Spearhead is they aren't nuking the old boxes.
Yeah, some of the choices on the new boxes were... unfortunate
tardy vault
Also also, Spearhead boxes just tend to be a lot more points because AoS units just generally cost more.
tired cairn
also, AoS doesn't have the whole "either every box needs AT or no boxes can have...
Well, I like how the Tyranids "oops all lictorforms" combat patrol did it: they have a strat to let them deal with tanks
They didn't do this for the AdMech one though lol
tardy vault
btw, does Combat Patrol do that thing what some Spearheads do where you call in units round 3?
tired cairn
No
tardy vault
Like one of the SCE Spearheads has an absolutely massive beatstick of a unit that only shows up round 3.
tired cairn
The AoS adjacent teams seem to like that mechanic though. Warband (whatever the skirmish game is called) does that too
Or I should say, not that I'm aware of
tardy vault
This is her normal AoS rules, but you get the idea lol
tired cairn
How many units does spearhead typically have?
tardy vault
tired cairn
Combat patrol is pretty low (like 3-4 often)
tardy vault
She also has a 3+ save (very strong in AoS) and a 5+ FNP
tardy vault
How many units does spearhead typically have?
3-5 I think?
Seraphon is 3 units
DoK is 4-5 depending on how you count
jaunty dawn
Spearhead has reviving units and absent till turn 3 units tho
To balance out unit count and power
jaunty dawn
(4 round games)
tardy vault
so you're basically trying to wipe the SCE player before round 3 because she shows up and quickly tables you
pastel rampart
runic swallow
Not quite sure where to ask, so thought Iâd ask here since thereâs likely overlap: Whatâs the current timeline for Trench Crusade being âdoneâ? Like, first edition fully out and initial model range out (though I know they say the system is technically miniatures agnostic aside from general size)
sour sequoia
Got in a rep of 2k Ogors against DoKâmostly a learning game for em but Iâm kinda thinking I dont need so many reinforced units lol
Was gonna start losing on scoring before we quit
misty violet
Not quite sure where to ask, so thought Iâd ask here since thereâs likely overla...
https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1161730220164911187 Better asked over here, I think
tardy vault
Was gonna start losing on scoring before we quit
tbf Ogors are a pretty elite army so DoK being able to run around doing objectives easier makes sense. What was the DoK player using?
sour sequoia
tbf Ogors are a pretty elite army so DoK being able to run around doing objectiv...
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Grand Alliance Order | Daughters of Khaine | Slaughter Troupe
Drops: 3
Spell Lore - Lore of Shadows
Prayer Lore - Prayers of the Khainite Cult
Manifestation Lore - Manifestations of Khaine
-----
Generalâs Regiment
Morathi-Khaine (760)
⢠General
Blood Sisters (140)
Khinerai Lifetakers (160)
⢠Reinforced
The Shadow Queen
---
Regiment 1
Krethusa the Croneseer (150)
Witch Aelves with Bladed Bucklers (100)
Witch Aelves with Paired SciansĂĄ (110)
---
Regiment 2
Bloodwrack Shrine (200)
Avatar of Khaine (140)
Blood Sisters (140)
Khinerai Heartrenders (100)
-----It definitely could use an overhaul, I wish I knew DoK well
Coulda saved em the pain of Wrong War Machine
Khinerai were cranking, I thought it was a mistake to keep em off board round 1 but just being able to slap em down after ogors already had to do their hard commit was good
Most of the rest besides shadow queen didnât really live long enough
tardy vault
oh ok you were playing DoK
sour sequoia
Nah I was ogors
tardy vault
kk
sour sequoia
Here Iâll pull my list
tardy vault
So, first off with the Shadow Queen get 3 damage into her every turn
I know it might be obvious, but you really want that beat stick off the board and their best wizard with it
sour sequoia
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Grand Alliance Destruction | Ogor Mawtribes | Prophets of the Gulping God
Drops: 4
Spell Lore - Lore of Maw-magic
Prayer Lore - Everwinter Prayers
Manifestation Lore - Morbid Conjuration
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Generalâs Regiment
Butcher (150)
⢠General
Ogor Gluttons (480)
⢠Reinforced
---
Regiment 1
Bloodpelt Hunter (130)
---
Regiment 2
Frostlord on Stonehorn (320)
⢠The Fang of Ghur
⢠Touched by the Everwinter
Huskard on Stonehorn (280)
⢠1 Harpoon Launcher
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Regiment 3
Butcher (150)
Ogor Gluttons (480)
⢠Reinforced```It's definitely one of teh DoK lists of all time
the main benefit is the Khineri being good scoring pieces.
sour sequoia
Charge->fight->scooch is so obnoxious lmao
Using skaven tricks against me should be illegal
tardy vault
The big thing with DoK is you want to engage on them
don't let them play games just pin them down
That said, that list definitely isn't playing to DoK's strengths
sour sequoia
It was a Babyâs First List for a faction I donât actually understand or see much at the LGS, we started to feel it for sure
tardy vault
ScĂĄthcoven
Morathi-Khaine (760)
[General]
- 1 x The Shadow Queen (0)
- 1 x Melusai Ironscale (160)
- 10 x Blood Stalkers (280)
Bloodwrack Medusa (160)
- 10 x Blood Sisters (280)
- 10 x Blood Sisters (280)
- 5 x Khinerai Lifetakers (80)
This is my 2k list for example.
Reinforced units of Blood Sisters are fucking terrifying
especially in their specific Battle Formation
Each stack is 20 swings of 2 damage crit mortals
and they can inflict strike last
and they get strike first
and they can fight twice before you can fight once
sour sequoia
Yeah yeah okay okay this oneâs pretty easy to follow
tardy vault
Morathi-Khaine+Shadow Queen because yeah you bought the army for a fucking reason
Melusai Ironscale for the 2" move aura from honor guard, reroll charges, and +1 attack
Blood Stalkers for some range damage utility. It's not 3e anymore so no army delete, but still solid for incidental damage
Bloodwracked Medusa for another wizard, anti horde measures, and because this is an all snake list goddamnit
2x Reinforced Blood Sisters as your general hammers
Khinerai Lifetakers because they're cheap and can do battle tactics
sour sequoia
Whats getting the Fight First?
I know Melusai do the strike-last and the ironscales/bloodwrack is for breaking the fuck out of popcorn combat
Just trying to track so I can bring good news back to em
tardy vault
Scathcoven battle formation gives Melusai Strike First on charge rolls of 8+ before mods (aka the dice have to read 8)
sour sequoia
RIGHT OKAY
tardy vault
The Ironscale gives out free charge reroll so the general game plan is get as close as possible with your dumb 10" move and then reroll for the 8
The Melusai combo is
Ironscale and Blood Sister charge with an 8+ both getting strike first
Blood Sister inflict strike last
Ironscale goes first and then calls in Blood Sister for +1 Attack
Blood Sister pays CP to fight twice then does first round of swings
They then get Strike Last but also have Strike First meaning they are instead neither meaning they get to go again
Then the enemy unit goes
Which, with all that considered, does something like this into your unit of Gluttons (this is including all out defense btw)
sour sequoia
Yeah thats pretty good
Gets through all but 2 of a reinforced unit lmfao
2 gluttons aint gonna do much
tardy vault
And this is ignoring the Ironscale
And we could also give them the Shadow Queen aura
sour sequoia
Hence my thinking I split the units so I can score better or split attentionâstuff is either gonna kill em like dogs or its just never gonna what with a 5+ save and no ward
tardy vault
I want to be very clear
DoK units are unhinged
They do very very very large amounts of damage
but die basically instantly
snakes are 2hp, 5+ save, 6+ ward
Your gluttons would wipe them in a single activation
sour sequoia
snakes are 2hp, 5+ save, 6+ ward
Frostlord rampage and battle trait impact damage just obliterating a blood sisters unit drove that home for me lol
tardy vault
if you got them first
This is what a full unit of Gluttons activating does
Full reinforced unit
and note that the Strike Last does function in the enemy combat phase, but requires them to roll over your HP value
so they need a 5+
sour sequoia
+1 attack spell on an 8 up, 7up in Prophetsâ60 attacks reinforced 
I love alpha strike armies smashin into each other
tardy vault
I played a game against a Fyreslayers player
and it was hilarious because he was trying to teach me and stuff because I'm still new and he's a vet so he went "you know games are won on points not kills" and I'm just like "yeah, true, but this is DoK v Fyreslayers this is fucking TDM rn because neither one of use can afford the other grabbing the initiative"
sour sequoia
See Iâm just crying coming from Skaven
Where secondaries are handed to you on a silver platter
What do you mean I have to actually engage now
tardy vault
god I'm cackling at the thought of using my Medusa on a reinforced unit of clan rats
sour sequoia
god I'm cackling at the thought of using my Medusa on a reinforced unit of clan ...
Thing is 90% of things engaging clanrats is a points win for skaven
sour sequoia
Jezzails, warp lightning, warpblaster, ratling guns start wiping DoK with a third of their 63 avg shots
tardy vault
It's fucking useless against larger models or smaller units
because against 20-40 1 hp models with no ward? it's some good shit
sour sequoia
Oh yeah thats like. One of the first times its âi am committing to losing a clanrat blob to do something elseâ and not âcmere and gimme a hug carnosaurâ
tardy vault
I imagine the main plan of DoK into shooting Skaven is use our anti-horde tools to thin their screen while using the Shadow Queen to tank before charging a bunch of snakes into their backline and murdering everything
at least for a snake list
for an aelf list probably just the normal gameplan aka throw a ultra buffed unit of Witch Aelves at their line while the Doomies run around being cav wizards doing cav and wizard things
sour sequoia
I imagine the main plan of DoK into shooting Skaven is use our anti-horde tools ...
Probably. Shadow Queen feels much squishier there I think since 3 wounds per turn is almost deterministic with weapon teams, but the rest of the list is horrifying
tardy vault
tru tru
DoK in general just doesn't like ranged damage
something to keep in mind, tho, is that the Shadow Queen has a 12" move and fly
so you can only screen her so much
sour sequoia
Funny enough I think the globadiers become way better against DoK than most, I havenât seen if anybody else runs em but I absolutely adore them post-december errata
thank you kindly for the help! Player wanted to spam snakes and freaky harpies already so this is good news to em
mild glen
Okay. Time to make the shooting phase seem less like bullshit
pulsar cairn
name each drone so you can be sad everytime each gets destroyed
mental birch
name each drone so you can be sad everytime each gets destroyed
They don't anymore tho
Hahahaha
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pulsar cairn
what do you mean by that?
south axle
Drones are just glorified token in 10th
pulsar cairn
Awww
meager quail
Is it possible for Eldar to escape Slaanesh by pledging themselves to a different chaos god?
bright dove
Is it possible for Eldar to escape Slaanesh by pledging themselves to a differen...
Yes, theoretically. See Iesha being held captive by Nurgle and Khorne showing up to try and claim Khaine
They could probably lay claim to a soul, but it'd be a fight because first dibs
thin ibex
It's mostly whether or not the God they pledged to can throw divine hands
Cause khaine got shattered
The laughing God works out cause he plays games and does tricks instead of getting in the ring properly
And I guess the ynnead works cause they're... untouchable I guess?
floral herald
Itâs sorta a never say never thing with chaos but the other gods do not seem to interfere much (actually at all in lore Iâm aware of - but I donât have it all in my head) with the relationship between Slaanesh and the Eldar
AIUI Ynnead doesnât really exist yet but Slaanesh is destined to lose in the fight with Ynnead so yeah sort of untouchable that way
meager quail
So like, if you're just Some Eldar Who Swears To Serve Khorne for instance, he would probably have to really like you to actually bother snatching you up first?
floral herald
Yeah
Iâm sure itâs happened but itâs gotta be kinda rare individually negotiated dark deals I think
meager quail
... might be an amusing idea for a chaos-worshiping Eldar though, basically just trying to be enough of a suckup that one of the other chaos gods will protect them
solemn gull
That is actually very funny
meager quail
Tzeentch would be logical but Khorne seems funnier
solemn gull
I think youâve convinced me to replace one of my 1k sons sorcerers with an eldar
meager quail
"I'm going to get a good grade at blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne, a thing that is both normal to want and possible to achieve"
solemn gull
Well I mean itâs either khorne of tzeench since a eldar definitely wouldnât work for the other two
meager quail
Yeah
thin ibex
there is also the other question of like
the aeldari did not consciously pledge to slaanesh, but she has claim to all their souls unless another divinity goes to bat for them
and even in the case of the laughing god, its on an individual basis sometimes
meager quail
Right, what I'm thinking is that another chaos god might, you know, dangle the carrot just out of reach (or just allow the character to do that to themselves)
bright dove
Tzeentch would 100% do that
solemn gull
Well if they ascend to demon prince they should in theory be safe
bright dove
But yeah. Behold, another purpose of Craftworld Eldar Paths.
To stop this thought process from coming to mind
meager quail
Oh for sure I'm not saying this is a good solution
Just a funny one
I'm envisioning like ... I dunno, a not-very-committed group of cultists ending up raising an eldar child somehow
quaint compass
Becomes the central figure for the cult, and in order to care for this super powered child they accidentally develop a system like the Eldar Paths
meager quail
Exactly
spice flicker
What's going on with the Tantalus for the dark eldar?
Is the model now dead and permanently removed?
desert jay
untold swallow
God damn thatâs cool
desert jay
Knight combat patrols! Possibly just 2 armigers/doggies and not 3?
tired cairn
I guess that is the box size for Armigars
desert jay
Oh that's true
Mmm, and in the pic the IK side is obviously 1 of each, while the CK side is 1 stalker 1 brigand
tired cairn
The Tyranid White dwarf combat patrol eventually made it to the app. So this one probably will too
pastel rampart
Is the model now dead and permanently removed?
It's a Forge World model, so...probably.
tardy vault
Just got some DoK bats primed. Going to try and get them all painted up this weekish
Anyone got any advice for bat wings?
tepid stratus
Anyone got any advice for bat wings?
Depends on the kind of wings you're going for. Leathery or more membraneous?
tepid stratus
Build up to your purple from a skin tone using a makeup brush. Hit it with a purple/red wash about halfway through the process
tardy vault
I'm unclear about what you mean
Do I just do layers or should I try for a fade of skin near the limbs and purple near the center?
tepid stratus
Yeah that's essentially the idea, the purple comes in towards the centre as it's stretched out while closer to the limbs it retains the colour of the skin
Provided you're keeping the limbs themselves a skin tone anyways
tardy vault
Haven't really decided but that sounds solid enough
unfortunately, I've been cheating on my skin tones in a way that is hurting me here
I've been doing pale sand+a fleshshade because it's easy and I don't have to think.
but i don't think that'll work right here
paper bluff
Telemon repaint is going well
tardy vault
tepid stratus
but i don't think that'll work right here
Base it on the sand, either mix or just layer up with lighter purples getting more saturated towards the middle. About a third to halfway through the process hit it with a flesh shade mixed with some purple shade and then do your last few passes of purple
paper bluff
I'm going to make vehicles dankatoi and shadoekeepers
tardy vault
Base it on the sand, either mix or just layer up with lighter purples getting mo...
thank you!
I'll give it a shot
tepid stratus
Cheap makeup brushes I find are best for this sort of large surface area stuff
tardy vault
I got an army paint drybrush which should do the trick I think
tho I really do need to just buy a set of small makeup brushes
tardy vault
Downside of this technique: waiting for the layers to dry lol
Obviously if I batch painted them it wouldn't be as bad, but want to do a single model first ya know?
tepid stratus
I getcha
tired cairn
I usually find drying time isn't a big deal unless I am using a retarder or a wash, even on single models
tardy vault
tardy vault
I *usually* find drying time isn't a big deal unless I am using a retarder or a ...
the main issue is I'm painting large flat surfaces so layers go on fast
so I had a lot of leftover time
unreal cosmos
That looks so good
tardy vault
thank you!
mild glen
name each drone so you can be sad everytime each gets destroyed
As previously mentioned, drones aren't real models in the current edition. But having them on the table does remind dumbasses like me to use my wargear and hopefully makes my shooting phase seem less like I'm making shit up to shoot one more time.
rocky shale
There is a drone squad sheet it's just horrible
mild glen
Those are Legends now!
rocky shale
RIP
solemn gull
oh drones don't exist anymore on the table?
thin ibex
Correct
They are just gear for the squad sergeant
And in some cases, each element of a unit
They do not have their own unit, and do not possess stats or wounds
unreal cosmos
Honestly I can see that as a response to a history of some very annoying tactics
Like bubble wrapping riptides with em
thin ibex
They notably cannot in any way take wounds for other models and then also save against those wounds
None of that business anymore
unreal cosmos
Somber nod
thin ibex
Ironically tau still carry the stigma from that Era in many places
Which is annoying
Folks walk in like "Tau are supremely OP and I won't play against them" and I'm like "please actually look into this stuff. That's like a decade old concern. It's been multiple editions"
unreal cosmos
Also just gotta say, I keep thinking your Icon is wearing a red starfleet uniform
thin ibex
Lol
sour sequoia
Ironically tau still carry the stigma from that Era in many places
I think a lot abt when I was like. 12 and getting into the game for first time, playing tau's 4e codex in 5th and 6th--people giving me shit for not doing my homework and realizing it was gonna be a nightmare in the era of uncontestable flyers
and then the same people giving me shit for playing OP flavor of the month army when that codex dropped
insane period of 40k
unreal cosmos
T'au are one of the rare instances where I think it's actually possible for someone to be racist against a fictional population
thin ibex
whats our win percentage these days anyway?
im pretty sure we're not even in the top 5
mild glen
I think we're top four played according to the Goonhammer stats from a few months back.
So that alone is going to push down our win rate. Of the matches I've had since using Tabletop Battles, I'm 50/50
thin ibex
50/50 seems like a solid place to be
also means your own meta with your opponents is decent
mild glen
I'm new. I'll get better.
(I don't get games nearly as often as I want because I'm working when the weekly 40k nights are happening around here)
thin ibex
@mental birch sorry for the tag, but curious, you play tau comp with some regularity right? How's the faction doing in your view?
floral herald
Stat check has them at 46%
mild glen
I think that's almost considered underperforming
thin ibex
point and case, we're hardly OP or even close to it nowadays
havent been in a while
(this to support my earlier point about the stigma living with us)
thin ibex
i do think a big thing is that tau dont really occupy like a best shooting army niche at all anymore
we do get some really cool army wide abilties and tactical options
but guard will outshoot us pretty handily in many cases
sour sequoia
but guard will outshoot us pretty handily in many cases
one of my biggest beefs with 10e is how much xenos shooting got left by the wayside simply off "imperium doesn't pay for their ten extra guns anymore"
no more wargear points sounded great until you realized xenos like. Didn't really engage with wargear anyways
thin ibex
orks sure liked not paying for power klaws anymore
or megablastas
i think tau as far as datasheets did get a bit more balanced too, we got a decent melee focused unit in the rampagers
kroot getting sticky was a good change
im honestly still not on the hates free wargear train as of yet. I do think costed wargear offers another vector to balance around, but i also think it made things weird as far as nickle and diming and as far as balancing a datasheet
jagged dawn
Damn we finished the forges of mars trilogy and donât have anything else lined up
Anyone got suggestions?
bright dove
Storm of Iron?
jagged dawn
We actually own the omnibus containing it
solemn gull
I really like that one part in storm of iron where ||a captured menial who has to clean a khornate marineâs armour starts hearing the armour speak to her and promptly puts it on going on a revenge rampage until someone else nukes the legionâs camp.||
thin ibex
Damn we finished the forges of mars trilogy and donât have anything else lined u...
already read titanicus?
jagged dawn
already read titanicus?
Havenât read that yet no
deft crest
If I had a Time Machine Iâd go back to 5th edition and tweak the timeline so tha...
I was late to reply to this, but I wasn't late to stop you during your time traveling in order to stop you from doing that
floral herald
Haha
mental birch
<@245392515723821056> sorry for the tag, but curious, you play tau comp with som...
They're okay but in a really frustrating place
thin ibex
Yeah that's kinda what I was getting at, we have a big bag of trucks
Tricks
We have good shooting, generally, but other armies out shoot us
mental birch
I think we beat other shooting armies but only by virtue of well
Movement bullsjit
Guard beats us in a straight out brawl
We're never gonna brawl guard
desert jay
How do you fare vs eldar?