Warhammer and Such

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah no changes on that front

[pulsar cairn]

foiled again

[jaunty dawn]

Other than having the pdfs for warcom missions xP

[paper bluff]

Well, an actual scientist

[floral herald]

Those are the same thing haha

[paper bluff]

All scientists are hereteks however not all hereteks are scientists

Some hereteks' method is "let's put a daemon in it"

[tired cairn]

I think there is also a thing going on where most tech-priests are actually some level of heretek (particularly moreso the higher rank they are) which probably doesn't help if they want to make noises about cawl lol

[jaunty dawn]

strictly speaking you're only a heretek if you're from the forge world of heretopia. otherwise it's just sparkling mad science

[tired cairn]

The most boring dark mechanicum world is the one where they are all concerned about good study design

[paper bluff]

"I want more spikes on my armor"* We can't add more spikes without inhibiting your ability to aim

[floral herald]

Make the gun aim itself

[jaunty dawn]

aim?

[tired cairn]

This worked really well until the CSM started to demand spikes on the gun

[jaunty dawn]

spikes on the reticle!

[tired cairn]

If Darktide was about heretics, it'd definitely do that

[paper bluff]

cram a daemon in it you say

[dense sedge]

Anyone have tips for dealing with necron destroyer lists?

[pulsar cairn]

i dont really play the tabletop but im curious! Is that destroyer cults?

[dense sedge]

it's a thematic team where the whole army is destroyers and flayed ones

wiped csm off of the table yesterday

[pulsar cairn]

i see

that does sound terrifying

[thin ibex]

Destroyers are very very good at destroying marine infantry

[paper bluff]

Depends on how the person is running them

As a necron player I can tell you, don't split fire on us and kill our characters.

Shoot to kill and eliminate

Idk what CSM have as snipers/ can shoot with precision but use that

[mild glen]

You know, one thing I've grown to love about the 40k community online is how often people pop up like "Okay, yeah. This is how you totally destroy my army". Especially prevalent amongst the non-Imperial factions and I love it

[paper bluff]

No one analyzes the strength and weaknesses of an army or list than the people playing it

[mild glen]

I see people in the Tau subreddit all the time that are like "My buddy plays tau and he keeps kicking my marines' collective ass, what do?" And that thread immediately spawns, like, fifty in depth replies about general counters and specific weaknesses of the buddy's list and it's glorious.

[floral herald]

lol

(We don’t do a ton of that but precision in melee is more common)

[paper bluff]

Melee the heavy destroyers. Shoot the skorptek

[thin ibex]

old classic, "how do i beat tau?" = "Pretty much just get into melee, they get folded like an omelette"

[mild glen]

Deep strikes and prioritizing our support units, pretty much

[uneven ember]

Each and every person in the Imperium divides their fellow Imperials into three distinct categories: "unrepentant heretics whose existence is fundamentally offensive to every principle worth holding," "self-destructive fanatics whose refusal to make common sense allowances is fundamentally incompatible with reality," and "me"

[mental birch]

I mean in a shooting brawl tau looses

lock t'au down into a shootin brawl

[desert jay]

Hey, give them more credit, there's also "people I seem to agree with but I'll keep an eye on to see which of the first two categories they actually fall into"

[dense sedge]

oh I shoul've mentioned, I'm playing gsc, csm was a different player

[dense sedge]

what if I don't have good shooting? My list is biosanctic and that's a big part of my points

[desert jay]

Some would argue "useful idiot" to be a distinct category but further analysis will reveal them to be grouped into one of the first four

[dense sedge]

and apparently h'es done a ton of damage with overwatch through weght of fire

[paper bluff]

I have to admit I don't biosantic means

[uneven ember]

Well, maybe if they're actually big enough idiots not to question "me" about what is or isn't heretical.

Wait, what's going on with the administratum?"
Don't worry about it babe.

Yay.<3```

[dense sedge]

biosanctic broodsurge, focused on purestrains and abberants

1k (1000 Points)

Genestealer Cults
Biosanctic Broodsurge
Incursion (1000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Abominant (105 Points)
• 1x Power sledgehammer
• Enhancements: Mutagenic Regeneration

Biophagus (50 Points)
• 1x Alchemicus Familiar
• 1x Autopistol
• 1x Chemical vials
• 1x Injector goad

Patriarch (100 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Patriarch’s claws
• Enhancements: Biomorph Adaptation

BATTLELINE

Acolyte Hybrids with Autopistols (65 Points)
• 1x Acolyte Leader
◦ 1x Autopistol
◦ 1x Leader’s bio-weapons
• 4x Acolyte Hybrid
◦ 1x Cult Icon
◦ 1x Cult claws and knife
◦ 3x Heavy mining tool

Neophyte Hybrids (65 Points)
• 1x Neophyte Leader
◦ 1x Autopistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Hybrid firearm
• 9x Neophyte Hybrid
◦ 9x Autopistol
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Cult Icon
◦ 1x Flamer
◦ 1x Grenade launcher
◦ 1x Heavy stubber
◦ 5x Hybrid firearm
◦ 1x Mining laser

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Goliath Truck (85 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Demolition charge cache
• 1x Heavy stubber
• 1x Twin autocannon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Aberrants (300 Points)
• 1x Aberrant Hypermorph
◦ 1x Aberrant weapons
• 9x Aberrant
◦ 9x Aberrant weapons

Hybrid Metamorphs (80 Points)
• 1x Metamorph Leader
◦ 1x Autopistol
◦ 1x Leader’s cult weapons
• 4x Hybrid Metamorph
◦ 4x Autopistol
◦ 4x Metamorph mutations

Purestrain Genestealers (150 Points)
• 10x Purestrain Genestealer
◦ 10x Cult claws and talons

Exported with App Version: v1.26.0 (2), Data Version: v541

[thin ibex]

whats the detach actually do as a benefit?

[floral herald]

Charge buffs for aberrants biophagus and stealers

[thin ibex]

hmm im wondering if theres anyway to fit a broodlord in

broodlords be very scary on purestrains

but it doesnt looks like theres any simple way to do that

[dense sedge]

I have a patriarch which is our broodlord equivalent

[dense sedge]

+1 to charge rolls and attacks from a charge to Abberants, purestrains, biophagus and units with an attached biophagus

[thin ibex]

ahh and on ther opposing team, many skorpekhs?

i think tactically i think its largely about getting your charges off

[dense sedge]

Skorpecs, heavy destroyers and flayed ones

[sour sequoia]

I fucking love ratling guns

[tardy vault]

hell yeah congrats!

[floral herald]

Nice!

[untold swallow]

I wanna run Wrath & Glory but one of my partners isn't as into 40k

[quaint compass]

That is very reasonable

BRAINWASH THEM DO IT WAHS THEIR MINDS FOR YOUR SHARED ENJOYMEND BRAINCHAWSH

[pulsar cairn]

show them rat

wait there's no rat in 40k

[mental birch]

Cheese stealer cult

[quaint compass]

ImperiRAT Guard
AsRAT Militarum

[meager quail]

Adeptus AsRATes

[quaint compass]

AdeptRAT SororiRAT

[meager quail]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_rat

Behold a space maRAT

The RAT carapace

Source: https://www.beautifullife.info/art-works/armour-for-cats-and-mice-created-by-jeff-de-boer/

[jaunty dawn]

no one talks about tactical geniuses anymore whats up with that

[pulsar cairn]

If necrons gain bodies again

What they doing after that?

[rocky harness]

Probably dieing alot

[bright dove]

Crying.

[floral herald]

Back to Galaxy dominating space fascism with feudal characteristics

[bright dove]

Fucking

[floral herald]

That too yeah

[paper bluff]

Bodies wouldn't fix their soulless problem

[floral herald]

Might for the next generation

[pulsar cairn]

would they also be giving the necron warriors bodies?

[tired cairn]

"hahahaha, we have been given bodies again and now our numbers shall grow even further. We are unstoppable"
"Wait, what do you mean our new peons have personalities and wants"

[paper bluff]

Yeah that's then other thing

I think more so the nobility and scientists want bodies again (and thw ability to make more necron warriors and slaves)

*some

The other thing I'd say is that the necrons actually probably have adapted to being the robots for so long that I don't think they can go back and be functional a society made of flesh

[floral herald]

name uh

3 functional societies in 40k tho

[tired cairn]

Going to be some really awkward family dinners with the destroyer cult family numbers after some necrons get their bodies back

[paper bluff]

Define functional

[floral herald]

Does more than ruinously continue itself

[bright dove]

Craftworld Eldar, Drukhari, Tau.

Leagues of Votan

[floral herald]

I wouldn't count Drukhari

Leagues is a fair bet

[tired cairn]

Tau, Ork, Tyranids?

[bright dove]

It is functioning.

[floral herald]

I'd probably have accepted orks because they're having fun with it even if it sucks

[bright dove]

It's not healthy, but Drukhari are functioning.

[paper bluff]

I went looking for a "weak aura, strong aura" meme for the destroyer being strong aura. Surprisingly I did not find one

[tired cairn]

LoV are ruining themselves with the whole overwhelming the votann memory thing

[floral herald]

true

Tyranids are idk

Some of them are sapient and intelligent but also they're kinda one hungry fella playing touys

[tired cairn]

Tyranids are the stretch/second joke answer

[bright dove]

I don't think the nids would have anything we call a society.

In much the same way you don't say a human body is a functioning society.

[paper bluff]

I would not say tyranids have a "society". hierarchy yeah but not society

[tired cairn]

(the real answer is that there are probably at least 3 functional societies amongst all the random worlds in the Imperium. But they are also probably the ones that Imperium is most likely to invade lol)

[floral herald]

Yeah the imperium probably has planets which count even if they don't

[paper bluff]

I have always wondered, are there farmers on craft worlds?

[bright dove]

Yes.

[tired cairn]

Oh, I guess you can also probably go with
Tau, the other tau, orks

[paper bluff]

Tau are a very functional society

Orks also

[tired cairn]

Do the farsight enclaves want to reintegrate with the wider tau if they overthrow the ethereals?

[floral herald]

I... think so?

[paper bluff]

Would "provide entertainment to its people" be considered a metric?

Of functionality

[tired cairn]

I guess "civil war" is in a weird place regarding "separate societies", though it has been a long time. Like longer than NK and SK have been split right?

[bright dove]

I will say the Dark Eldar are functional. Deeply unhealthy, but functional.

[floral herald]

I don't agree at all lol

[paper bluff]

Its model could not self sustain

Without diminishing returns

And self consumption

[tired cairn]

They'd have a real bad time if they didn't basically have post-scarcity supertech

[paper bluff]

So, craft world eldar, assumingly exodites but saying "society" for them is so so, orks, and tau

[tired cairn]

Also, isn't Commorragh falling apart?

[paper bluff]

It's worse than that

[floral herald]

I'm also using this as a basis for it

[paper bluff]

It's like magnagothica maleghast where part of the city is sliding into hell

[floral herald]

Since the imperium has lurched around for 10,000 years despite being comically dysfunctional

[tired cairn]

There is a great deal of ruin in a galactic empire

[bright dove]

Fair

[tired cairn]

I'm unsure of whether to count CWE. They know they aren't sustainable but I'm not sure how much that's purely due to outside threats

[paper bluff]

Bureaucratic inertia is a hell of a thing

[tired cairn]

I know very little about exodites but I feel like GW doesn't want to think about them for a long time lol

[floral herald]

AFAIK the CWE are sustainable they just have higher aspirations

[tired cairn]

Oh, they are just really sad about how much they have fallen?

[paper bluff]

Is a soul stone reusable we have to ask

[tired cairn]

I would expect no, but I've never heard about issues of capacity in the infinity circuit

[floral herald]

I think they grow into spirit stones when attached or something

It's kinda unclear

[tired cairn]

Eldar would rather be really sad for ten thousand years than see a therapist

[paper bluff]

Then they cannot produce a good they need to survive

[tired cairn]

Wait, those are a limited commodity?

They can't just make more?

[floral herald]

Every Aeldari stands on a precipice of being really sad and wanting to master the sword about it for a thousand years

[paper bluff]

I thought it was the crone world has them laying about

[floral herald]

Yeah that's where they get new ones

But I'm not sure if they're one use or just needed to have a larger supply

[tired cairn]

Though they don't need soulstones to survive as a society. Though it'd really suck for morale if they run out I'm sure

[floral herald]

I think its important for the purpose of their society

But they can get more it's just something you need sad swordmasters for

[tired cairn]

Lexicanum says they are grown but also a primary source is crone worlds so ??? on if that means they can increase the total supply

Also, these things have three different names: spirit stones, way stones and soul stones lol

[floral herald]

https://fixupx.com/inu_inu/status/1880825373207966123

that's neat

[junior robin]

finally

[jaunty dawn]

boob on the wrong side smh

amateur hour

[floral herald]

It's just the head which is really similar - the armor is pretty different except for the boob

[jaunty dawn]

its also got the abs window

one smaller pauldron

[floral herald]

That's true

No studded shoulderpad was really what I noticed

[dense sedge]

I like how they brought that head back, its a great look for the children

[floral herald]

for the children is the funniest way you could have phrased that

[rocky shale]

Aeldari codex soooon

Wave serpent and falcon got reboxed to be the same box now

[floral herald]

Preorders next week it looks like?

[rocky shale]

War walkers in boxes of 2 which makes me think they could be run in squads

3x2 war walkers seems silly

[uneven ember]

handsome boi
really liking the point to classic 40K art "sculpt that" model direction they've been doing

[floral herald]

big same

I'm really happy with the EC sculpts

[uneven ember]

I'm a bit surprised they haven't gotten, like, a Kill Team

[zinc field]

the problem with kill team is that you couldn't do space elves riding dinosaurs

which is like 90% of the exodite vibe

[floral herald]

You could 100% do space elves with space dinosaurs

[zinc field]

I guess you could do a single big model like the GSC patriarch

[floral herald]

Riding might be a little harder but probably works in KT

[jagged dawn]

Kinda wish the deathsworn pack
Kit was less expensive. We’d love to use it for a hounds of morkai squad

[pastel rampart]

Exodites with smaller dinosaurs that they direct would be appropriate for KT, I think.

[floral herald]

I think like 40% of teams have doggies of some kind so it could work well

[pastel rampart]

They have like, idk 3 velociraptors that they sick'em on people.

[floral herald]

Now I gotta check

Ok not 40%

yellow is for teams with a weird little guy but not a dog

(squigs count)

[sweet solar]

now they have released the humanoid cultists with lore, emperors children, death guard and world eaters

there are functional chaos planets

that self reproduce culture and industrial output

[floral herald]

I was setting the bar a little higher but I think there's some places in the Screaming Vortex which count anyway

[sweet solar]

id put them ahead of the imperium as they have internally consistant meritocratic upward mobility

its a different and to us often nightmare fucked up system

but like

thats one up on the imperium whose nightmare fucked up system is inconsistent and largely non functional

[floral herald]

Yeah like if you get past the trade in souls Q'Sal is actually very nice

[sweet solar]

yeah

way better than like commoragh

or the average productive imperial world with a militarum tithe

[dense idol]

on the subject of kill team, i had an idea for an event i could try and put together for a local group

i buy a bunch of leftover bits and sprues and job lots off of ebay, then put them all into a collective gubbins box and get together to build orkish killteam proxies out of them

so i've been thinking a lot about which ones might be the most proxy-able

lots of them do have weird little guys associated with them, and if there's just one or two they could be reinterpreted as grots or squigs

[mild glen]

Like... most of them? Imperium of Man (we can count various (sub)sectors and planets individually if you like?), T'au Empire, Any given ork clan, The Leagues of Votann
None of them are particularly healthy societies, but they're functional.

[floral herald]

there's more to it than "not everyone is dead"

[glad spear]

Orks simply functionm

[uneven ember]

ork kultur does what they want it to do

[pulsar cairn]

Also considering how war just makes even more orks

They seem to have adapted pretty well to the crazyness

[floral herald]

Yeah orks probably count as functional just because they're psychologically disposed to like bad things

[glad spear]

From tempura.person

[floral herald]

Wait I don't know this lore super well what's the hypocrisy here?

[glad spear]

In Crisis of Faith, Khorne shows farsight a vision of himself being a champion of khorne after he slaughters a lot of demons who were coming out of a portal, attempting to coerce him to be a champion

Farsight says nuh uh and doesn't get influenced

[bright dove]

So there is a required element of magic for Khorne.

How else are you gonna make those Daemon Weapons and summon his legions, after all?

[pastel rampart]

Khorne makes an exception for magic being used in the creation of weapons, and that's been a long-established bit of lore.

He thinks any other use beyond weapon-making and summoning is for cowards.

[glad spear]

Using a magic axe to cut through armor is cool, but using magic to circumvent armor is bad

[floral herald]

Isn't Khorne's issue like using combat spells instead of being appropriately slicy

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[floral herald]

So using magic for weapons, or even defensive warding is fine, but no magic missiles of you're a world-cosmic coward

[pastel rampart]

Khorne wants you to spill blood, and he wants you to use the weapon yourself. That could be an axe or a pistol, doesn't really matter the tool, but ultimately it's about the user doing it through their own physical actions.

Casting some force lightning lacks that personal element and he hates that shit.

[floral herald]

I feel like Khorne should be ok with stuff like Hammerhand and Warp Time too

But complaining that the chaos gods are inconstant is silly

There is also that one Gaunt's Ghost book with Khornate blood magic

[glad spear]

My magic spell is throwing my chainaxe at you

[floral herald]

behold my spell

[pastel rampart]

He'd probably be tolerable towards spells that enhance one's physical abilities. Blood magic is mostly for summoning I think, and uh I guess locating targets (good in Khorne's eyes, means you can kill them quicker).

AoS Slaughterpriests are different as it's mostly prayers to Khorne and him giving out gifts as necessary/based on whims.

[floral herald]

Yeah I think it makes more sense in AoS because of how magic kinda work

But it feels a little weirder with 40k psychic stuff

[pastel rampart]

40k has a whole "if I believe it, it's true" thing going on.

[paper bluff]

You should be able to use some one else's blood to do magic. You put in the work to get that blood

Also, I'm sure if you wired up a tzeech sorcerer into a weapon that caused them immense pain and used that to power/ make ammo, khorne also cool with that

There's precedent for khorne being cool with weapons made with/from foes

[pastel rampart]

Khorne's not one for suffering or torture, really. That's delaying the inevitable. Slaanesh on the other hand...

[floral herald]

Khorne would just love a weapon which just fucking kills its Tzeentchian wielder though

[thin ibex]

There's of course a spectrum of acceptability, but in general khorne is no sadist nor a masochist. Brutality is OK

[quaint compass]

As long as you do it in service of a goal and not for itself, you can torture away!

[rocky shale]

My new years resolution has to be to paint more because I totally just caved on all the new Aeldari kits

[finite compass]

There's also the Blood Pact witches in the Gaunt's Ghosts stuff

Who are pretty much on the level of "Blood ritual to find the stuff for the rest of the warband to kill"

And Khorne is apparently okay with this

Also somebody nails it

https://bsky.app/profile/holyfirethem.bsky.social/post/3lfy4s36auk2h

Holyfirethem (@holyfirethem.bsky.social)

New EC minis are indeed rad but didn't feel right for a reason I couldn't put my finger on. Then I upped the saturation on them and suddenly I'm absolutely sold. #warhammercommunity

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Bluesky · Jan 18, 2025, 1:10 AM

[sonic hare]

un-nuln them

[floral herald]

I like both of those paint schemes a lot

[pastel rampart]

Slaanesh needs a paint scheme that's so loud you can hear it from the other room.

[pulsar cairn]

i like to think a noise marine makes music if you hit them

[uneven ember]

still like my idea of Black Templars fallen to Slaanesh who became Noise Mariens
the Knights In Slaanesh's Service
||KISS||

[floral herald]

There was a great EC army I saw with 3 vindicators with crazy freehand

But I can't find the pics now

[pulsar cairn]

u own any painted minis Cyan?

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1330673238249967738/zmgamdgw47ha1.jpg?ex=678ed586&is=678d8406&hm=118416ff05dd4a853895604819cd2c536990021dc446c70ab4ddd04d14db6a2d&

Make my eyes BLEED dammit

[runic swallow]

Not enough day-glo it needs to be even more searing

We can’t let 90s fashion beat us, we can go gaudier

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1330692247133491275/1otqqzafjfmc1.png?ex=678ee73a&is=678d95ba&hm=ae43bea06235f5c99aceba39bb32285f03a3db68180c3f84508c3fbbae4dbb4b&

[uneven ember]

love it

[pastel rampart]

Calls their psykers "pinball wizards."

[paper bluff]

You heard of non metallic metallic, gret ready for non black light black light

[dense sedge]

Won my game, payloads 60/5

Could have gone the other way if not for some good rolls

I was not expecting how tanky necron destroyers are, survived biosanctic charges from both purestrain and abberant blocks

[paper bluff]

Did our advice help?

[dense sedge]

I realized I had to get super aggressive and turn two made a ton of important charges

Absolute bloodbath of a game, it was essentially payload race, but my deep strokes and charges let me grab his and throw it into his deployment zone alongside taking out many of his smaller objective units

[uneven ember]

hell yeah 🤘

[crisp lance]

https://fixupx.com/ABAtilus/status/1876321132951036313

https://fixupx.com/ABAtilus/status/1876321139787751650

https://fixupx.com/ABAtilus/status/1880862503934231002

[pulsar cairn]

btw

did the imperium give up on fighting the Hrud?

[past sphinx]

Its hard to fight something that well hidden

With imperium tactics anyway

[desert jay]

Hey Warp Spiders fans!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/articles/igi71hj0/lhykhis-the-whispering-web-who-is-the-warp-spider-phoenix-lord-leaping-into-the-new-codex-aeldari/

Oh wait she got shown off in Nov and I forgot

[thin ibex]

i think we got the model before but not the name

[junior robin]

I do love the original EC colours, but parts of me would love to copy the scheme from this album.

and feels like it would be easy to 3d print the speakers for the tank.

[south axle]

I think this is mostly just to show some lore about her and say that they have hinted about her for a while

[bold halo]

I am normal about warp spiders

I am normal about shock and awe charge tactics

[floral herald]

Lhykis is such a sick model

[jagged dawn]

Right we knew custodes were a very good $/points army but we didn’t realize they were this good

The combat patrol is 780 points on its own

And it’s 14 models

[jagged dawn]

ooh, nice

warp spiders are nifty

[floral herald]

What's a good way to store terrain efficiently?

I have a little now and I was ambushed by how much space it takes up lol

[tired cairn]

How much do you care about the paint job

Because I think otherwise the answer is either "not really" or something that is decided on at the terrain design phase

[floral herald]

A nonzero amount but I've got varnish for that

https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/event/0RLqWhyzUc8A

Kill team standings

Mostly usual suspects but

nice dude

[pastel rampart]

Storing terrain is going to be determined by how much you're playing at home and how much space you have.

If it's a lot of little stuff, say for skirmishes/KT, then some plastic bins will suffice. If you have a lot more or plan to, then a storage rack isn't a bad idea--you can leave it on there when not in use.

[floral herald]

Yeah I'll probably just need to get some big tubs

[tired cairn]

You can put it all in a box less carefully. Though you'll probably want to reapply varnish more often if you do that. And then yeah, tubs works for that

[tired cairn]

I also like how Deathwatch went from not existing to winning LVO (apparently with a list that was very good at killing marines, which is funny lore wise)

Oops, wrong message to quote

[floral herald]

oh haha

[tired cairn]

Huh, does red mean a loss? What is the tournament format? I'm surprised the top player lost a game

[floral herald]

Is this for the KT standings?

[tired cairn]

Yeah

[tired cairn]

I am failing at finding clear information about the format. Apparently the first couple days there were pods that played each other and then everyone played each on Sunday. Not sure why this means you could lose a match but still win the tournament.

[floral herald]

I’ll also note that it looks like no one went lossless

[tired cairn]

Yeah. But the normal grand tournament setup makes that impossible I think?

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1331031196024569988/IMG_8543.png?ex=679022e6&is=678ed166&hm=6c35e0e9b2aac5059deaecaddc012a9afb23f2b17d180507b15017ea98cee7ef&

[desert jay]

Damn what're the odds?

[pastel rampart]

I dunno, ask the Space Wolf player who fired exactly that many missiles at my Soul Grinder back in 4e and failed to do anything.

[jaunty dawn]

Most wargame tournaments arent elimination brackets right

And if no one won every one of their games then yeah

Also about how many points they win by

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s usually some kind of round robin

[runic swallow]

Usually points based, in my experience

[floral herald]

I think it’s record followed by points but no one went 6-0

So it was like a 6 way tiebreak by points

[desert jay]

Usually closer to a Swiss system than a true round robin

In a true round robin everyone has a turn playing everyone else

Which takes FOREVER in large tournaments

[floral herald]

Oh yeah that’s more accurate

[desert jay]

In a full Swiss tournament you play until you have just one undefeated player, but if you only have time for 6 rounds that means you can only do 64 entrants

If this ended in a six way tie after six rounds that implies they had between 256 and 512 players, probably around 350 give or take

[floral herald]

It was 9 rounds but I’m not sure what the format was

[mild glen]

"I fired a total of TEN Seeker Missiles at this thing, what do you mean it only lost 3 wounds?"

[past sphinx]

i dont think ive literally ever seen a hunter killer work

[topaz hinge]

The average output of a HK missile is less than one wound

#1161730220164911187 message

OPR stuff for Guard players if that tickles your fancy

[mild glen]

Which is weird because, statistically, they should be putting in a not-insignificant amount of work

[floral herald]

Why are HKs so bad now?

My memory of them goes to like 4e automatically where they were all 1 shot krak missiles and had to be respected haha

[topaz hinge]

It's just the weight of dice. You need to hit, wound, pierce armour, and roll damage.

[tired cairn]

The toughness change might have been bad for them. But they are mostly unreliable (but are free now)

[topaz hinge]

4+ to hit? 50% chance to connect. A generous 3+ to wound? Now we're at 33% chance. -3 ap against def 2+ in cover? How we're at a 16% chance to connect. Average damage of 3.5 on a d6? 0.58 wounds on an average shot.

That's into a target you typically want to shoot with this. Sure you could have a 3+ to hit, and they could also not be in cover. It doesn't dramatically change how anemic it is.

[tired cairn]

Oh. They are S14. So probably ok with the toughness change?

[mild glen]

Without Take Aim, you lose 50% of them off the top. And then you lose about 33% of the remainder against most tanks. Assuming that tank then has a natural 2+ and no invuln, you lose another third, so that's... five percent of them that hit deal damage?

... man, mathammer is depressing

[desert jay]

So at a 5% chance to do damage per missile, the odds of shooting off 25 and getting no damage is 27.7%

[mild glen]

I mean, that feels so wrong that I'm saying take that math with a grain of salt, because I think I may have made a mistake

[floral herald]

No that's plausible

I somehow missed that they only hit on a 4+ now

And with the new* tanks you can't just get lucky

*these aren't actually new rules now

[thin ibex]

i mean, they're totally free though, so you just get to volley some and see if you get lucky

(i still wish combi weapons had like a uniform profile that had the one shot tag alongside a regular gun profile

[mild glen]

Hunter-Killers are 4+, S14, AP-3, D6
Seekers are 4+, S14, AP-3, D6+1

Imperial Guard 🤝 T'au Empire
Twinsies

[floral herald]

Yeah it's just a different story from their 4e era when they were like... scary and like 25 pts a pop

BS5, S8, AP3 and you might get lucky and end a land raider's whole career with any one of them

[sour sequoia]

killing vehicles in general is very different than it used to be

[pale narwhal]

HKs and seekers were only ap3 no? S8, ap3

I forget how much armour a land raider had

[sour sequoia]

I still remember old Gauss rule

[floral herald]

AV14 on all faces

[sour sequoia]

desperately shoving every ounce of anti-infantry you could find into a necrons list because you'd just point fuckin warriors at tanks and blow em up

[floral herald]

But they could crit and immobilize it and then you can impolitely ignore it for the rest of the game

[runic swallow]

I had one work back in 7th lol

[floral herald]

I had to watch out for them because I played speed freeks

And that meant a lot of vehicles which do not appreciate accurate krak missiles

[mild glen]

maths
Huh. With the ten Seekers in my current list, I can expect one impact that deals d6+1 damage maybe once every two games. Assuming I fire all my Missiles in one game.

This sucks. I want to go back in time to when I didn't understand math and probability in games, please.

[pastel rampart]

Sand that gets turned into silicon agrees with you.

[thin ibex]

Vehicles generally being tougher to kill is a good thing I think

[floral herald]

Definitely

[mild glen]

Yeah, and I get that AT weapons are balanced. But it just feels bad purely looking at the math (without buffs)

It has to feel terrible for Opp when I deep strike a unit of tank-killer suits right next to their land raider and pop it in one turn

[mental birch]

A sunforged unit with a commander deepstriking

Is very funny and painful

[mild glen]

I deep striked a sunforge squad on top of a land raider in a 1k game. Deleted it with only that unit (not counting the Pathfinders guiding it). A sad day, to be sure.

[mental birch]

You seen my 1k list?

[mild glen]

Probably not.

[mental birch]

Hol on

[mental birch]

Char1: 1x Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit (110 pts): 2x Shield Drone, Battlesuit fists, Cyclic ion blaster, 2x Fusion blaster, High-output burst cannon
Enhancement: Prototype Weapon System (+15 pts)
Char2: 1x Commander in Enforcer Battlesuit (100 pts): Warlord, Battlesuit fists, 4x Missile pod
Enhancement: Starflare Ignition System (+20 pts)

10x Pathfinder Team (90 pts)
• 9x Pathfinders
6 with Close combat weapon, Pulse carbine, Pulse pistol
3 with Close combat weapon, Pulse pistol, Rail rifle
• 1x Pathfinder Shas'ui: Recon drone, Drone burst cannon, Close combat weapon, Pulse carbine, Pulse pistol, Semi-automatic grenade launcher, 2x Twin pulse carbine, Drone burst cannon
3x Stealth Battlesuits (60 pts)
• 1x Stealth Shas'vre: Homing beacon, Marker Drone, Shield Drone, Battlesuit fists, Fusion blaster
• 2x Stealth Shas'ui: 2 with Battlesuit fists, Burst cannon
3x Stealth Battlesuits (60 pts)
• 1x Stealth Shas'vre: Homing beacon, Marker Drone, Shield Drone, Battlesuit fists, Fusion blaster
• 2x Stealth Shas'ui: 2 with Battlesuit fists, Burst cannon
3x Crisis Fireknife Battlesuits (130 pts)
• 1x Crisis Fireknife Shas’vre: Marker Drone, Battlesuit fists, 2x Missile pod, Twin pulse carbine
• 2x Crisis Fireknife Shas’ui: 2 with Shield Drone, Battlesuit fists, 2x Missile pod, Twin pulse carbine
3x Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits (110 pts)
• 1x Crisis Starscythe Shas’vre: Marker Drone, Battlesuit fists, T'au flamer, T'au flamer, Twin pulse carbine
• 2x Crisis Starscythe Shas’ui: 2 with Shield Drone, Battlesuit fists, 2x T'au flamer, Twin pulse carbine
3x Crisis Sunforge Battlesuits (150 pts)
• 1x Crisis Sunforge Shas’vre: Marker Drone, Battlesuit fists, 2x Fusion blaster, Twin pulse carbine
• 2x Crisis Sunforge Shas’ui: 2 with Shield Drone, Battlesuit fists, 2x Fusion blaster, Twin pulse carbine
1x Riptide Battlesuit (190 pts): Riptide fists, Ion accelerator, Missile pod, Missile pod, Twin fusion blaster

Behold mecha spam

[mild glen]

Very similar to mine.

[mental birch]

Ooh what's our difference?

[mild glen]

I'm a little bit more combined arms

White Squad:

• Ethereal (Warlord) (Gun/Gun)
  -- Strike Team (Gun/Guardian)
  Blue Squad
• Fireblade (Exemplar of the Mont'Ka) (Gun/Gun)
  -- Breacher Team (Gun/Guardian)
  Red Squad
  -- Sunforge Suits, (Gun/Shield[Shas'vre Marker/Shield])
  Orange Squad
  -- Starscythe Suits (Gun/Shield[Shas'vre Marker/Shield])
  Uncoded Squads:
  Stealth Suits (Gun/Shield) (Shas'vre holds the Fusion and the BSS)
  Pathfinder Team (Recon/Gun/Guardian) (2 Rail, 1 Ion)
  Ghostkeel (Ion Raker, Twin-linked Fusion)
  Hammerhead (Railgun, Smart Missile System)

... huh looking at the lists again, I guess we're not actually similar. I blame The Tired.

[mental birch]

My list is kinda built entirely around the love of battlesuits

[mild glen]

I like floaty combined arms

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/oc7aexfl/aeldari-become-the-masters-of-manoeuvrability-with-the-new-battle-focus-army-ability/

Huh

New army ability with the codex

I only skimmed it

But it seems neat and probably less headache inducing for the balance team

[thin ibex]

so are war walkers like the standard heavy fire support platform for the regular eldar military/non aspect warriors?

[floral herald]

It’s easier to work with as a detachment not an army rule imo

[mental birch]

Mute the video

But hehehe

[tired cairn]

The new Aeldari army ability is weird because you get six special stratagems that you spend special cp on.

[jaunty dawn]

Thats kinda how ossiarch bonereapers worked before

Interesting that none of the battle focus abilities are jump shoot jump

Less concern of replacing a busted ability with a different busted ability

[tired cairn]

Fade Back seems like a less aggravating version of that

[jaunty dawn]

Fade back is way less powerful and also a pretty common ability this edition

Though being able to do it with anyone and not a specific unit is good

[tired cairn]

Huh. I didn't think move on being shot was common

Actually, surge moves are common I just put them into a different category for silly reasons in my head

[jaunty dawn]

Pfff

[junior robin]

finally, aquaman primaris lieutenant

[soft willow]

Look even if they did show up and this was the start of it, it'll stretch out into like 80-100 books and a few thousand years easy.

[rocky shale]

Surge move on wraithguard seems fun

[pulsar cairn]

[bright dove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/744700760226529331/1331341484196364298/Screenshot_2025-01-21-12-46-10-653-edit_com.png?ex=679143e0&is=678ff260&hm=edd565e2cf585958ff456e76847077b2e7f5438a64f88baff25d82bf7ea5f149&

[pulsar cairn]

🪓

[paper bluff]

Oh hey. You can see the print lines with this one

Also I thought

For a moment

But nah. I'll bet AOS

[pastel rampart]

It's either the sea elves for AOS or Alpha Legion.

[jaunty dawn]

am i inventing memories or was there some omegon indication at some point

[floral herald]

Yeah there was a bident which looked a lot like his iirc

[solemn gull]

Really cool how that book followed up on what happened to the lions

[mild glen]

My Sailor T'auts are actually coming along real nice... I should learn Kill Team. 😛

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9qhnsqqg/the-rumour-engine-19th-of-november/

this weeks trident could be the forgotten 3rd alpha legion primarch, Mu

[jagged dawn]

Huh, turns out the old 40K Freeblade game is still listed on the App Store. Honestly thought it had gone the way of the dodo

Thing’s old enough that its in game advertising is pre-CK getting their own models

[tardy vault]

Tridents could also be IDK which we know is coming soon.

[sweet solar]

it could be I Dont Know

[rocky shale]

Autarch can lead aspects let's gooo

[floral herald]

Oh is there more news?

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qbnruzb2/codex-aeldari-masters-combat-with-eight-powerful-detachments-to-choose-from/

Strands of fate is completely different but also is like 4 free cp which is still good

The aspect warrior tokens finally have a purpose.

And the aspects detachment is pretty nasty especially if PLs still give +1 to hit

[tardy vault]

Idoneth Deepkin

Aquatic Elven Zombies that steal souls

[paper bluff]

Okay so that one seems too close

Like just

[cinder wraith]

saw aeldari leaks

🙁

☹️

[rocky shale]

Also saw

🙂

Spiders look pretty crazy even losi g dev wounds

Though the jump is more dangerous

[obsidian flume]

Chat I came up with a brilliant gambit allowing them to add female space marines to the setting without changing the lore or even needing a major excuse

grabs mic
Transgender

[untold swallow]

lmao

[obsidian flume]

How has no one thought of this before/j

[rocky shale]

I think that would cause a bigger shit storm than cis female space marines being cawl'd into existence or something

[obsidian flume]

thats why its perfect

[rocky shale]

Awww no avatars for Aeldari anymore

Also no yvraine leading clowns

But she can lead incubi...

[thin ibex]

i like how the autarch can lead any aspect warrior team now

[untold swallow]

Do ynnari have the capability to not field Yvraine if they don't want to now?

[rocky shale]

Yeah it's a detachment now

[thin ibex]

what do we mean no avatar btw? im pretty sure they stil get khaine

[rocky shale]

I'd you run yncarne or yvraine, you can't run non-ynnari epic heroes regardless of detachment

[jaunty dawn]

Im pretty sure ynnari always lost avatar no?

[rocky shale]

So no avatar + yncarne

[jaunty dawn]

Since they have no infinity circuit

[rocky shale]

You could run non-ynnari yncarne

By not having yvraine warlord

[floral herald]

Where are these leaks?

[rocky shale]

Aledari discord server

[floral herald]

Ah shoot was hoping for something easier to link to

[rocky shale]

Yvraine loses fnp but gains a Doom ability

Which for leading incubi is wild

[floral herald]

I’m sure they’ll get posted on a subreddit or something for portability

[rocky shale]

Fuegan also lost fnp but now grants a +6" range to melta weapons

Meaning his melta 6 gun is 24" range and can land hits from flacon deep strike

[thin ibex]

that seems huge

12 inch melta

[rocky shale]

And 9" on his squad

[thin ibex]

no fnp is a bit sad for fuegan

sposed to be the toughest of hte pheonixes

[rocky shale]

He still gets the revive and 4++ invuln

And 2+ armor

[thin ibex]

does... avenger guy who's name i forget still roll with a 3++?

[rocky shale]

Not leaked yet

Oh also yncarne still has the teleport but also gets deep strike. Heals on kill but no half damage

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/s/KPQWAmx4ZS

[floral herald]

The half damage was grody

[rocky shale]

Leaks so far

Spiders + PL shoot then charge seems disgusting

Possibly true

[jaunty dawn]

Weird

Isnt

The wych cult character part of ynnari

Yeah

Hesperax fought yvraine in the arena, won, and then joined the ynnari

Her and most of the cult of strife

[floral herald]

Yeah that seems weird

[thin ibex]

lilith is 100% ynnari these days?

I imagine vect is pretty pissed about that

[jaunty dawn]

Last time she was in the story seemingly yeah

Though the new article does mention jain zar isnt really hanging out with them much

So maybe everyone is just giving up on them lol

Incubi make sense with the visarch

And kabalites more broadly just being default deldar

[rocky shale]

Oh yeah wait it says wyches on yvraine leader ability

So this is definitely missing some

[pulsar cairn]

We getting a book on fulgrim

We have any emperor's children fans in here?

[floral herald]

Yee

[pulsar cairn]

i hope u enjoy the book!

[thin ibex]

might be cool to do an iron harvest/scythe conversion of a chimera for krieg

[rocky shale]

The farseer detachment let's you teleport fire dragons into melta range...

Gross

[tepid stratus]

There's a lot of fire dragon tricks now

[rocky shale]

Love fire dragons

[dense sedge]

I'm just shy of the exp needed to get my purestrains to level 2 in crusade

[thin ibex]

fire dragons getting the rec they deserve as OG tank killers

[wary cape]

Talk me into / out of it.

It would be dumb for me to start 40king with Imperial / Chaos Knigts right?

At the very least I could try and tabletop sim them first

[runic swallow]

Just the one knight?

[wary cape]

Well it's always just the one to start with

Unless I got that box they did

But it seems silly to start with a big unit like that

[runic swallow]

Hmm, on the one hand that’d be an interesting way to start out, but also you might run into weird situations where you aren’t interacting with a lot of game systems and also would be funky to play low plains games with

[wary cape]

Ye

[runic swallow]

On the other, I understand the heeheeh hoohoo desire to get a big centerpiece model and go weird with it

[wary cape]

My second choice would be Tau, which I know also ignores like, all of the psychic and fighting phase

And is all in on shooting

[runic swallow]

My view on how the Tau play and act was so seismically shifted when I found out they were inspired by the US in Desert Storm, a lot of stuff clicked

[wary cape]

But I love the appeal of blasting away an enemy before they touch me

And they have a whole doctrine all about that

[rocky shale]

There's no psychic phase in 10th anyways

[wary cape]

No magic phase or equivalent?

[rocky shale]

Nope

[wary cape]

Fairs

[rocky shale]

Psychic is just a tag on certain attacks or abilities

[wary cape]

Gotcha

If I do start, maybe some tau then

I have an idea for a tau faction that covers their mecha in hippie style decals

[jagged dawn]

our first army is chaos knights

[wary cape]

How was it?

[rocky shale]

Starting knights can make you a little unfun to play against but there are detachments that let you soup in other units which make things a little less slanted

[jagged dawn]

they're not bad but like hellbrute said they're a bit weird

[rocky shale]

I'd always reccomend trying and army on tabletop Sim before buying in tho

[jagged dawn]

haven't been able to play a game yet, still assembling war dogs

[wary cape]

I can mix in imperial agents right?

[thin ibex]

My first army was space wolves, my current is tau, tau only recently gained the ability to really interact with every phase, so I like where they are at now

[rocky shale]

Agents or admech for imperial knights, cultists and daemons for chaos

You can also soup knights into any imperial army a little

[wary cape]

I saw a Tau shield wall ram a C'tan shard to death so yeah I guess they do interact with all phases

[jagged dawn]

cultists are restricted to the iconoclast fiefdom detachment btw, but they give you a good excuse to run big knights

[wary cape]

Maybe chaos would give me more room then

[jagged dawn]

because you get to sacrifice them to power up the big guy

[wary cape]

And you can swap out chaos for imperial knights at will right?

[rocky shale]

Ehhhh kinda?

[jagged dawn]

that's up to whoever you're fighting against/wherever you're playing

[rocky shale]

All the Imperial knights have a chaos version but not the other way around

[wary cape]

Ah gotcha

[rocky shale]

Chaos knights also generally is war dog spam with maybe 1-2 big guys in iconoclast fiefdom

Also CK are getting a codex sooner

[jagged dawn]

if you can reasonably point at something and go "this is running this index" then in our books you're good

[wary cape]

So maybe get the knights that can do both

And art wise make them look suitable mercenary

[floral herald]

Rules are temporary

Cool little guys are forever

Don’t pick armies based on their rules

[jagged dawn]

that'd be the questoris, dominus, and armiger kits then

because they're the same kit in both armies just with different cards

[wary cape]

I'm not really, I mean more knights seems impractical to start with cos of the size and cost to

[mild glen]

Honestly, the model difference between Chaos Knights and Imperial Knights can very well be "What I say they are when I put them on the table".

[sour sequoia]

technically yes, but knights are honestly the cheapest army to build

[mild glen]

Especially if you don't use a canon colour scheme and/or are moderately clever with your painting

[desert jay]

Remember that one big knight is basically an entire combat patrol worth of unit

[jagged dawn]

they're up there with custodes as being the best $/points ratio army

[wary cape]

For the full 2000 point army sure

[jaunty dawn]

Imperial knight models as chaos mostly works but the opposite probably not out of the box haha

[sour sequoia]

you take the time to magnetize, and you're done after like 9-12 models

even at knight pricing that's dirt cheap compared to a lot of others

[mild glen]

You get a full 2,000 point army after four-five knights.

[jagged dawn]

like here's our 1k point iconoclast fiefdom list

it is 4 knights

and some chaff

[desert jay]

Likewise with war dogs/armigers, each one is as much unit as a leman russ and there's two per box

[jaunty dawn]

But yeah rn you can make a pretty cool knight and infantry list between detachments and imperial agents/daemons

But thats also something that varies in legality as new rules come around

[mild glen]

Knights feel like an Army you're supposed to just grab a centerpiece model from for your actual army.

[jagged dawn]

oh also word of advice regardless of if you want to run IK or CK, buy the battleforce box

you get 4 armigers and a questoris

[desert jay]

Ah yeah the recent battleforce is a good deal

[mild glen]

If you can find it.

[jagged dawn]

yeah that's the main problem

[desert jay]

(It's kinda a bad deal for CK if you don't want to run the questoris)

[sour sequoia]

lmao the issue of any battleforce box worth the money is 'find it'
I was gonna get into tyranids with last year's box, oops

[jagged dawn]

despoiler is really good if you run iconoclast and you can just run it as a desecrator or rampager because all the weapon options are there

[rocky shale]

The armiger box for chaos knights kinda suck because the versions of war dogs they make are pretty bad.

[mild glen]

To be fair, there's a few Kroot boxes still kicking around (I saw one at a FLGS recently-ish), and I keep seeing the T'au christmas box pop up on the subreddit, but the knights were a stupid good deal and I'd be suprised if they aren't all gone by now.

[jagged dawn]

stick chaosy bits on there and maybe some extra weapons from the war dogs box if you have any left over

[desert jay]

IIRC you don't have the gun for the desecrator

[jagged dawn]

I mean, yeah

[rocky shale]

Yeah if you also have magnetized guns from the war dogs you can turn armigers into better war dogs

Each war dog has 2 sets of guns

[jagged dawn]

that's what we did, magnetized the lot

and possibly inhaled an unhealthy amount of plastic from all the drilling we had to do

[wary cape]

Ye I saw, looked like a good deal. It looks like you don't get the full kit for the Knight but it's still worth the value

[mild glen]

Plastic within. Plastic without.

[desert jay]

Well there's the hunstsman/executioner war dog kit (same box as armigers) and then there's the stalker/brigand/karnivore kit

[rocky shale]

Yeah the huntsman/executioner are meh but with the extra weapons from the other box you can make them other versions

[desert jay]

Ah yeah

[jagged dawn]

going old school, back before CK had their own kits

aka the "stick spikes on everything" era

[rocky shale]

I need to paint more of my war dogs

I went really hard on like 3 with kitbashes then got burnt out

[jagged dawn]

same, we got delayed for a while because we moved house and all our tools to magnetize them were in boxes over the summer

currently got 2 magnetized and (mostly) assembled and then another box yet to be opened

[rocky shale]

The purple and green is ne needs some work still

Or weathering in general

[thin ibex]

is it weird that cadians are so important still despite being 100% diaspora?

can cadian regiments make new cadian regimanets on new worlds?

[floral herald]

Back in the day the justification was that cadians had a TON of copycat regiments using the same gear and similar doctrine around the galaxy

And I think that still works as well or better

[desert jay]

There's also New Cadia (which I think was a silly lore decision)

I think they should've committed harder to the diaspora bit and have small cadian communities on a thousand different worlds

[jaunty dawn]

Cadians were already everywhere

As well

If anything they’ve been freed up from concentrating so much on cadia itself

[glad spear]

Cadia blowing up just makes them fight harder

[bright dove]

Cadia sorta became the standard for how to establish a guard regiment across the galaxy.

A lot of places just went "We'll base our military structure around that!"

[rocky shale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/s/mIhiuvicVm

More

Asurmen eats terminators for breakfast holy shit

[floral herald]

Huh

Aspect Warriors in general seem to be getting a shot in the arm

Which is nice

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/orbitaldropkick.bsky.social/post/3lgat7hbeuk27

ten thousand apes (@orbitaldropkick.bsky.social)

imagine being afraid of trans people haha like just go on with your life dog what are they gonna do make you play warhammer with them

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[pulsar cairn]

or Lancer

[tardy vault]

Just played a 750 point game against some Skaven and won! Super close

Went to round 4 before I tabled him

with only 6 snakes remaining of the 20 I started with

[dense sedge]

khainites?

[tardy vault]

Yep

The Skaven list was like

ultra elite

Stormfiends, wheel dudes, and Thanquil

[pale narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJapKgBHx9Y

[paper bluff]

So, I saw some used custodes with pyrite spears for 55use and thought "eh sure why the hell not"

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/v0mcnf8i/heresy-thursday-protect-your-god-engines-with-the-unyielding-secutarii-axiarch/

[pulsar cairn]

What do heretics do on Heresy thursday

[solemn gull]

Heresy

[floral herald]

that's a sick model

[unreal cosmos]

Unexpected but dope as shit

[unreal cosmos]

usually brag about their models being better

[pulsar cairn]

Heh

[tired cairn]

Cool Skitarii Marshall proxy if your 40k Ad Mech army wasn't cheap enough

[jaunty dawn]

the axiarch fucksss

dreaming of 20 man plastic phalanx boxes

[mental birch]

Dreaming of that being fine to play in 40k 😦

[jaunty dawn]

mood

[upper bluff]

hold on gotta find the image of stilt guy looking over the fence at the cool 30k stuff

[upper bluff]

wait wth why is this being done in resin

You just refreshed the range in plastic what gives

[jaunty dawn]

horus heresy still does character models in resin regularly

because a lot of them are extremely niche

securarii arent even part of the mechanicum tagmata really

[south axle]

Remember the good old days when AdMech was two factions with their own codices?

[mental birch]

Hahahaha

[south axle]

I have the Skitarii codex

[jaunty dawn]

i got into admech in 8th and thought every other edition was dumb specially the split codexes but then as I looked into everything more i was horrified to find myself agreeing with it lmao

skitarii and mechanicus are seperate armies mechanicus just never got any support because they lost out on the last imperial armour never coming out 😔

[floral herald]

I thought that was just a quirk of the release schedule and white dwarf stuff

[rocky shale]

Full codex leak

[jaunty dawn]

they also never got support cause they didnt get plastic yeah

skitarii are more popular

probably partially cause electropriests are pretty ugly and thats a quarter of the army

[thin ibex]

maybe its because i never got super into the admech, but i feel like theres not enough to really have 2 fully fleshed out factions out of em

[jaunty dawn]

not as it stands no

[thin ibex]

what would the two factions be?

and i guess why would they need to be two factions?

[jaunty dawn]

skitarii is just skitarii basically while mechanicus is priests servitors and robots

[thin ibex]

but the skitarii are subservient, ultimately, to the priests of mars arent they?

[jaunty dawn]

in a meta sense I dont think theres really room for two admech armies but like

kinda?

the thing is

its two parallel armies under an archmagos prime

which js higher than any tech priest thats been in 40k as a game

like ultimately its priests who are in charge but that doesnt mean every priest is in charge

[mental birch]

Priests are fine just make mechanicum 30k

40k compatible

Will double sales as admech players sob

[jaunty dawn]

there should also theoretically be priests who directly support skitarii, but that aspect of the lore was never explored because it was never needed for the tabletop

so instead you have lore thats a vague mess

and the priests we do have lore for are very not skitarii specific. dominus is meant to be in charge of robots specifically not just a generic tech priest hq

[untold swallow]

This edit was so good right until the end

Where they didn't do the chorus of Rats

[floral herald]

I think that’s probably a little more than we can have posted here

[tired cairn]

Oh, what's the skitarii leader tech priest (if any)?

[rocky shale]

Oh rip, I'll delete

[jaunty dawn]

no lore 😭

theoretically the marshall

or a super marshall

or subdomina from mechanicus

[tired cairn]

Wait, is the subdomina title just from that video game?

[jaunty dawn]

ye

cause theres no lore to draw from haha

[tired cairn]

Oh. Huh. She isn't even a tech priest

[upper bluff]

I swear Mechanicus 2 better give us a new Admech Epic Hero

The roster of characters in the first one were great

[tired cairn]

I am a weirdo who prefers unnamed characters. Though only quasi-named characters ala the Tyranid ones I am pretty happy with (namely, you can only take one of each, but you can justify them being anywhere)

[upper bluff]

I understand wanting unnamed characters but only having one is so lame

Like I love Cawl, but give me more flavor in army building with unique characters

Like a Necron Army with Illuminor Szeras is a completely different feel than the same army with Trazyn

that's the feel I want from my Epic Heroes

But typically its just superfriends

[tired cairn]

Yeah, I like the idea of powerful army-altering characters you can only take one of, but I prefer they don't get unique names lol.

[pulsar cairn]

I love that

[thin ibex]

would be cool to have admech heroes yeah. we have plenty of named priests and magos in novels and short stories

[pulsar cairn]

Could a skittari be a hero?

[thin ibex]

i think so, i think perhaps a named and leader hero type is a little counter to admechs whole cog in the machine vibe, but id still want one

id also want an electropriest hero

like an abbot of the electropriesthood or something

[pulsar cairn]

There's this one named super tactical droid in star wars do skittaris have commanders that are also still skittari?

[pale narwhal]

They’ve got marshals on tabletop

Which are essentially that, a midway point between the tech-priests and the skitarii of the line

[runic swallow]

Skitari lore has changed a lot over the years

So yes, with caveats

(I miss the old augged to hell and back skitari)

[paper bluff]

I saw that the HH team and the 40k team are completely separate with different designers. That really makes me wonder about the state of custodes in 11th when the time comes

[thin ibex]

i kinda miss the titanicus depiction of skitarii

like auged up, intentionally painted up and made to look savage and fearsome, but net linked to the titans they fight around to perfectly maneuver around its foot falls

i dont hate the current depiction either

but my first real exposure was the titanicus version

[upper bluff]

My first exposure was the Mechanicus videogame so I was very dissapointed when the Skitarii with swords were more ceremonial on the tabletop

and that the rifles were only marginally better than bolters

Arquebus was sick to see though

[runic swallow]

Oh, I’m talking even before then, the old book skitari were generally a bajillion tech thralls or hyper modified cyber-supersoldiers

Like, each one was often unique

Lots of giant dudes, dudes with tentacles, dudes with chainsaw hands, all that good stuff

The current skitari are still cool in their own way, but I prefer the 30k Mechanicum to them and the even weirder early Skitari to them

[pale narwhal]

The old skitarii were sick af

[onyx elm]

I hope you can choose between Necrons or Mechanics and no matter who you'll get an advisors who do nothing but bicker. Now that I know just how catty the Necrons are.

[runic swallow]

The mechanicum goes hard as fuck though, I love the cybernetica dudes

Guys who are just a skull, spine, and nervous system in a suit of armor that can see into the x ray spectrum

Metal as fuck

[runic swallow]

It’s hilarious how close the Necrons and Mechanicus are in vibe to each other

Which I assume is intentional these days

[onyx elm]

I mean is it just me or are Necrons (and I know precious little about them) just a little bit drag queen-y?

[runic swallow]

I don’t personally see it, but I’m not saying you can’t make an argument for it

[onyx elm]

Lol, it might be just me. Again, my exposure is severely limited.

[sour sequoia]

Nemesor Zandrekh and Trazyn have been queening out for the last two million years

Beyond that they’re very serious 😔

[thin ibex]

im afraid the problem for me is im not really sure what drag queeny means in this context

[sour sequoia]

A certain kind of overacted effete arrogance

Dramatic Bitch

[thin ibex]

ah I see, i associate that more with dragons

[sour sequoia]

Actually a pretty good comparison lol

[rocky shale]

We are so back

3A 3+ S5 AP-2 D3 with lance and Anti vehicle/monster 3+

Wounds almost anything on 2-3

[dense sedge]

1k (995 Points)

Genestealer Cults
Biosanctic Broodsurge
Incursion (1000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Abominant (105 Points)
• 1x Power sledgehammer
• Enhancements: Mutagenic Regeneration

Patriarch (100 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Patriarch’s claws
• Enhancements: Biomorph Adaptation

Reductus Saboteur (65 Points)
• 1x Autopistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Demolition charges
• 1x Remote explosives

BATTLELINE

Acolyte Hybrids with Hand Flamers (70 Points)
• 1x Acolyte Leader
◦ 1x Cult claws and knife
◦ 1x Hand flamer
• 4x Acolyte Hybrid
◦ 1x Cult Icon
◦ 4x Cult claws and knife
◦ 3x Hand flamer

Neophyte Hybrids (65 Points)
• 1x Neophyte Leader
◦ 1x Anointed pistol
◦ 1x Autopistol
◦ 1x Power weapon
• 9x Neophyte Hybrid
◦ 9x Autopistol
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Cult Icon
◦ 1x Flamer
◦ 1x Grenade launcher
◦ 1x Heavy stubber
◦ 5x Hybrid firearm
◦ 1x Mining laser

Neophyte Hybrids (65 Points)
• 1x Neophyte Leader
◦ 1x Anointed pistol
◦ 1x Autopistol
◦ 1x Chainsword
• 9x Neophyte Hybrid
◦ 9x Autopistol
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Cult Icon
◦ 1x Flamer
◦ 1x Grenade launcher
◦ 1x Heavy stubber
◦ 5x Hybrid firearm
◦ 1x Seismic cannon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Aberrants (300 Points)
• 1x Aberrant Hypermorph
◦ 1x Aberrant weapons
• 9x Aberrant
◦ 9x Aberrant weapons

Purestrain Genestealers (150 Points)
• 10x Purestrain Genestealer
◦ 10x Cult claws and talons

Purestrain Genestealers (75 Points)
• 5x Purestrain Genestealer
◦ 5x Cult claws and talons

Exported with App Version: v1.26.0 (2), Data Version: v541

I think this is what I’m modifying my crusade roster into

Cutting truck, biophagus, metamorphs and tool acolytes for flamer acolytes, saboteur, 5purestrains and another small neophytes

[untold swallow]

Am I nuts or are Ynnari just

kind of worse now?

[floral herald]

Way too early to say I think

[untold swallow]

fair

[rocky shale]

Making the rules that care about wounded units work will be tough

I imagine yvraine + visarch + 10 incubi in a raider will be a key part

[thin ibex]

Shining Spears looking hothothot

[pastel rampart]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832663454008.html TIL: "sealing wire" is what Army Painter uses and repackages as barbed wire.

[verbal tangle]

I know there are few 40k RPG players here- I'm working on a rules expansion to make vehicle combat a lot more exciting.

[bold halo]

That is a hell of a combat patrol, I want everything in that box

Everything's coming up eldar this year

[floral herald]

oh damn that is a good one

[bold halo]

Wraithguard/blade stocks should shoot up with mobility faction rules too

[tardy vault]

There's a bunch of upgrade paths for it too

Like, the easy one is the new warp spider leader

But you can really go anywhere with that patrol it feels like after that.

[bold halo]

The wraiths are a high point density unit too so you hit the ground running

[tardy vault]

You could double down on wraiths

[bold halo]

I will probably triple down on wraiths

I just think they're neat

[tardy vault]

You can go more standard Eldar infantry and the wraiths would be a nice brick to fall back on

idk Eldar list building, but this box seems extremely middle of the road in the best way

[bold halo]

I'm pleasantly surprised it's not a bunch of guardians

Usually is

[tardy vault]

I also feel like the warp spiders are just going to be handy to have. the ability to just move 24 inches is super handy for a tactics monkey

[pulsar cairn]

Do they warp around?

[floral herald]

Warp Spiders have been pretty omnipresent in comp lists for 10e

Same with Swooping Hawks

Fast as fuck objective nabbers are just super good for eldar

[pulsar cairn]

Did they get new models?

[tardy vault]

yep

[pulsar cairn]

Nice! I heard eldar dont often get those

[tardy vault]

and finally got their leader

who has an excellent sculpt

[mild glen]

The old Warp spider models are old enough to drink in the US and probably don't get carded.

[tardy vault]

And they've been waited for their Phoenix Lord just as long

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/c/cc/Lhykis10th.jpg

[mild glen]

Unrelated: A conversation I recently had with my wife...
Her: Do you wanna go to the hobby shop this weekend and get new models?
Me: Nah. Remember how I told you they announced new skellyfriends recently? I'm putting a hold on all fun purchases until I have skellyfriend funds on standby
Her: But... you should get new models

[floral herald]

mood

That's been me but for Emperor's Children for the last month or two

[mild glen]

My little temptation daemon on my shoulder is a literal human being who has more disposable income than me.

[pulsar cairn]

That looks amazing!

[bold halo]

Yeah it's a very good year to be a space elf fan

New dire avengers, warp spiders, fire dragons, swooping hawks, Phoenix lords for all of those, the new striking scorpions via kill team last year

[mild glen]

Come to think of it, she also tried to tempt me to buy a stormsurge a few weeks ago and asked how much it cost when I said it was out of my price range at the moment...

[glad spear]

I will one day use my stormsurge on the battlefield

And it will be gloriously killed by a tank parking lot probably

[thin ibex]

to be fair its rockin quite a lot of damage

I feel like the stormsurge is decently tough and shooty, just doesn't play nice with spotting

[mild glen]

Yeah. It's too much gun, but I found that after finishing my first 2000 points in T'au I started thinking in terms of "this looks fun!" As opposed to "this works in my army"

[glad spear]

I like more lore accurate batallions myself

Since there's enough fire caste lore describing lore accurate detachments of forces

[thin ibex]

I generally like to do the same. Though a lot of that lore was written before anything particularly big existed, because everything was meant to operate out of a manta

[glad spear]

You don't bring your manta to the weekly 2k?

[rocky shale]

Damn that combat patrol is a pretty easy buy 2

At 3 you're capped on dire avengers if you don't already have any.

And that's a lot of dire avengers unless you're using the detachment for them

[thin ibex]

i figure stormsurges are transported in pieces and assembled in the field

heck im not even sure how riptides get carried around

maybe they fold up nice?

[glad spear]

From the fandom which i think is quoting one of the two white dwarf magazines they show up in

[thin ibex]

oh god they actually explained it finally

i wasn't too far off either

[glad spear]

They get dropped, walk to position, lock down, and then divert all power to the guns

[thin ibex]

ikea style, ship in parts, assemble in field, then operate for the duration of the deployment

[glad spear]

And it looks like riptide are also held in regular mantas

[thin ibex]

yeah so they must fold up nicely

[glad spear]

Usually hard dropped into the fray

[thin ibex]

yeah largely they seem to be crisis suit+

om terms of application

(I still like the burst cannon version over the ion. I know its not as mechanically good, but its neat to have a giant minigun)

[glad spear]

Looking at the fandom too, it seems like they like to use them as a reserve counter attack force or something to spearhead a quick charge/hotdrop

[thin ibex]

fandom is usually one im hesitant to go by if it lacks sourcing

lexicanum i find is generally better, but its also not always perfect

[finite compass]

Lexicanum has less, but it's generally actually sourced

Fandom just copy-pastes from source texts without attributing, and has a lot of fanon bullshit

[floral herald]

Oh huh so there is a Manta Transporter

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s so hard to sift through

Real true to the setting ass resource

[mild glen]

Riptides still have a 10" movement and [FLY]. They probably just have bigger repair bays and keep up with maneuvers by being fast and agile

[glad spear]

Yeah from the 6th edition codex, it mentions they were built for the 3rd expansion to outmaneuver imperial tanks and entrenched positions while also having good access to heavier arms

Plus pushing the nova reactor lets you do crazy shit

Oh yup the white dwarf article on the stormsurge did mention the modified manta drops

[desert jay]

Asking about Stormsurges makes me wonder what do Imperial Knights use for transport?

[floral herald]

Drop keeps!

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Drop-keep

Also some normal large landers

[glad spear]

Too bad theres no official art of them or the coffin ships

[mild glen]

I love how often the answer is "hot drops"

[glad spear]

I mean when you're a mecha, why not

[soft willow]

There is a pretty cool description of one in a more recent Cawl book

[mild glen]

Gunna make a 0SP piece of exotic gear the next time I run a LANCER campaign that negates fall damage exactly one time just to encourage the team to do a hot drop

(In the Campaign I'm currently a player in, my PC keeps suggesting hot drops because they forget the others can't fly)

[glad spear]

As you should

[desert jay]

Feels more like a reserve than a 0SP exotic system

[mild glen]

Consider: I forgot the word "reserve".

[glad spear]

SHAME 🫵 /s

[tired cairn]

Oh, they carry twelve knights? That's a lot. I hope they get a model for it in the not-epic game

[uneven ember]

man even the epic games aren't getting big landers
it's always zippy little things like the Arvus Lighter
very biggest, Thunderhawk

[desert jay]

Even in Epic/LI scale, a transport big enough for 12 Knights is a lot

[soft willow]

A knight in LI is on a 40mm base. It’d be like dropping a 28mm Land Raider into an LI game.

Then deploying 2000 points of knights out of it.

[uneven ember]

I mean
I see why this isn't a good idea but also I want that

[soft willow]

Don’t let your memes be dreams.

3D print that drop castle and home brew rules for it.

[mild glen]

Six Sailor T'auts out of ten (9/13 if you count the drones) have been moved to the "Faces and bases" pile. Almost done with this Kill Team.

(I have no idea what to do with the bases)

[paper bluff]

I got a forgeryworld telemon and I took a look at the parts and I think it's completely at the offical production quality if not better

[soft willow]

glitter

[pine matrix]

Surely Dark Eldar will all have a nice refresh! Right? Right?

[hard whale]

Does anyone have more finecast models in the game than Deldar?

[floral herald]

At this point I don’t think so

CWE were in contention until recently I think

[rocky shale]

If they remove all of druk fine cast it'll be like 6 units in the codex

[mild glen]

You monster

[jaunty dawn]

pigment powder is just gamer glitter

or I suppose more accurately scale modeler glitter

[pine matrix]

James Workshop!! Give me plastic Court of the Archon, and my wallet is yours!

[floral herald]

Yes please

[soft willow]

Yes, but also you know I'm right.

[mental birch]

me sobbing bout fires

[sour sequoia]

necrons were pretty bad until 10th

its still like. Not Great with ctan becoming mandatory

[floral herald]

Oh, are they just good now or something?

[upper bluff]

Ctan are really powerful

that's about it, they've had their points increased like 3 times

[tired cairn]

I think there was a tournament where a six C'tan list did really well. Which is not really the sort of list that should do well lol

[pale narwhal]

C’tan are very very tough, relatively killy, and pretty mobile

Which makes them solid if you bring 1-2 (void dragon and nightbringer iirc are the better two??)

[paper bluff]

That half damage necrodermis is nice plus the healing is quite good

[tired cairn]

Do they all get teleport on advance or just the unnamed ones?

[paper bluff]

Just the unnamed one

The deceiver is the weakest but that is still a monster with built in stealth

[jagged dawn]

To whoever told us to read Assasinorum: Kingmaker

Y’all were absolutely telling the truth this book is great

We’ve been on a knight novel storm. Read kingsblade and knightsblade, knocked out Apex predators, currently halfway through kingmaker (well, ish, page 162)

After this is the graham mcneill Mechanicus novels

[paper bluff]

Is that the one with the ark mechanicus?

[floral herald]

Huh Banshees get Anti-Infantry 3+ on all their melee

And D2 basic banshee swords

Actually scary now for space marines haha

[rocky shale]

Knock knock open up the door it's here

The non stop SCREEEEEEEEEE

[sour sequoia]

basically every fucking nerf necrons keep copping is because some detachment rule accidentally applies to ctan which are the single toughest units in the game

index nerfs for ctan, Awakened Dynasty had every strat rewritten to not apply to ctan
hypercrypt like 4 rounds of consecutive nerfs for ctan
starshatter nerfs for ctan

the monolith detachment was actually better running as 6 ctan

[tranquil ivy]

Honestly chat mega kudos to anyone that can guess what this is gonna become a proxy of.

Hint: It isn't Chaos.

[pastel rampart]

Ferrus Manus.

[tranquil ivy]

No, though he does look KINDA Iron Hands-y

[pulsar cairn]

Rhino themed space marine chapter?

[mild glen]

Get E-mail that a product is back in stock
Go to buy it about 4 hours after the email was sent
Product out of stock

[jaunty dawn]

Fuckkkk

[mild glen]

Why the hell is a fucking skull cannon in high demand?

[jaunty dawn]

Mightve been a glitch

[tranquil ivy]

I wish, haha

Also chat i put a skull in his hand

Should I keep it?

[tranquil ivy]

To burn or not to burn

[junior summit]

Gaunts ghosts question: when abnett says .30 cal does he mean 30mm?

[still warren]

It's 40k so he means .30 cal because it sounds cool

[junior summit]

30mm is bigger

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/kumratart/status/1882900298332856638?s=46

Kumratte (@KumratArt) on X

The biggest secret the Carcharodons harbour

X · Jan 24, 2025, 9:16 PM

[spice flicker]

So i got the tyranid swarm precon for mtg tonight. Can I claim to be part of the hivemind now?

[tranquil ivy]

Heehee skull

Also a random ancient i made for fun

He has le flag

[mental birch]

So thought

Karaskin

Put them in regular taurox

And use the scout and movw

Y/N better off with chimera

[brittle salmon]

Its cheaper and better if you want to alpha strike

Which Kasrkin are pretty good at

You're looking at a potential 24" move across the board on Turn 1

I'd do the Taurox, the Chimera is more of a mobile pillbox than a transport transport

[mental birch]

Trying to theorybuild bridgehead

Hahaha

[thin ibex]

I think tauroxes are the way

In general

Chimera are tougher and can keep a command squad in if you wanted for orders

But for kasrkin, being where you want and getting a solid round of shooting seems important

[brittle salmon]

Oh for Bridgehead I'd just go 6x deep striking scions to start with lol

That's a good beginning outfit

[thin ibex]

Seems like the grav scions would be good in that too

Melta scions in a taurox prime seems like it might be good? Wait does it still have the bonus to wound?

[brittle salmon]

Yeah

But I'd put Kasrkin in that instead

And just deep strike the scions

[mental birch]

Cadian Castellan (45pts): Close Combat Weapon, Chainsword, Plasma Pistol
5x Militarum Tempestus Command Squad (95pts)
5x Militarum Tempestus Command Squad (100pts)

10x Tempestus Scions (120pts)
10x Tempestus Scions (120pts)
10x Tempestus Scions (120pts)

10x Kasrkin (110pts)
10x Tempestus Aquilons (110pts)
Taurox (65pts): Armoured Tracks, Twin Autocannon
Taurox Prime (90pts): Armoured Tracks, Taurox Battle Cannon, Twin Taurox Hot-Shot Volley Gun

Something like this

Hahahah

[jagged dawn]

Kingmaker finished, good book

Onto priests of mars

[mental birch]

@brittle salmon what you think of that nightmare?

[brittle salmon]

That's looking good to me - who goes in the Taurox Prime?

[thin ibex]

Wait can kasrkin go in taurox prime?

[mental birch]

Yes but they can't push it as far

[mental birch]

One of the Scion squads that isn't being led

Yes they can

Tempted to go double prime

Ahhahaa

[south axle]

Lyhkhis goes on PreOrder
Lyhkhis goes out of stock

[pulsar cairn]

does the Lion have the dark angels chapter under his command? Or is it mostly just the risen that are travelling with him now?

[desert jay]

Yeah he has the chapter

[pulsar cairn]

Neat

[wary cape]

Hey all, what's the go to TTS (no not the video series) stuff for 40k?

40k Combat Patrol 10th (Scripted)?

But that would have no imp knights correct?

[thin ibex]

How do you mean? I usually use Yellowscribe, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3137407072, and https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2716384879

[wary cape]

Ah I'd seen the second one

Does that contain unit models and such

Or just scripting for the rules

[thin ibex]

the force org has loads of models

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2920625970

this can apply the scripting to models

ive run with just these three and new recruit pretty much

[wary cape]

Nice