Warhammer and Such

[finite compass]

God-aligned daemons

but still

[pulsar cairn]

I'll say they would probably figure out how to torture demons if they could imprison them

[finite compass]

Drukhari have the overlap of being deeply terrified of psychic powers or anything overtly chaotic, and still having a bunch of units/lore bits that say they're still liable to fuck with them.

Perhaps literally in the case of the origin of Mandrakes

[pulsar cairn]

Sounds to me they like to fuck around and find out

[unreal cosmos]

In my friends' Only War game they spent a significant amount of time basically doing a gladiatorial tournament arc on a massive Drukhari ship

sometimes they had tanks in there

they saw an unarmored space marine in the Black Rage kill a squiggoth with his hands

[pulsar cairn]

Is squiggoth the real big one?

[unreal cosmos]

yeh

[pulsar cairn]

Wow

[past sphinx]

rogal dorns are going DOWN in points?!

god if i have to lascannon another one down in my life it will be to soon

[uneven ember]

"I'm built different" is the foundation of every Dark Eldar's self-image and decision-making process.

Like the whole "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" thing but for becoming a crime lord

[past sphinx]

hey the romans had entire navel battles in their gladiatorial arenas, tanks seems like limited imagination of the deldar

[mild glen]

I'm going to run Imperium Maledictum for a bunch of Warhammer newbies and have them facing a Traitor Marine in a Drukhari arena now

Okay, you four poor Administorum agents... here's a World Eater. You're surrounded by xeno elf super sadists.
Roll initiative.

[floral herald]

Mountainside tabletop did a fun tier list and I think its kinda funny

https://youtu.be/jYYPoaYCLK8

I can't identify most of the teams from the logos haha

[bold halo]

yeah was gonna say I don't know nearly enough about kill team to parse that

could mostly tell you what 40k faction each one belongs to but beyond that nahhhh

[floral herald]

I think its
S: Hearthkyn, Blooded, Wrekaz, Mandrakes, Hand of the Archon, Corsairs, Phobos

A: Void Dancers, Goats, Nemesis Claw, Plague Marines, Vespid, Kommandoz, Angels of Death, Wyrmblade (had to look them up), Chaos Cult

B: Ratlings, Pathfinders, Jaegirs, Brood Bros (notably would be S but they're a near-mandatory 2 boxer), Aquilons, Inquisition, Scout Squad, Novitiates, Starstriders, Kroot Kinband

C: Breacher Squad, Kasrkin, Hunter Clade, Gellerpox, Arbites

D: Blades of Khaine, Legionaries, Hierotek, Krieg Guard

Shadow Realm: Warpcoven

[brittle salmon]

Notably this is Fun Rankings, not Viability

[floral herald]

Yeah, and its very subjective

[brittle salmon]

Otherwise Warpcoven is in S and punts Breachers directly into the Shadow Realm

[floral herald]

I knew Breachers were bad but are they really that solid of a bottom 1?

[brittle salmon]

Yeah.

https://youtu.be/KgNrqCzQEhc?si=ONtiPWxwXH2tFo12

That tiny bar at the very right?

That's Breachers

[floral herald]

Huh, I really was not expecting Exaction and Wrekas up there

Ngl Wrekas seemed like a meme team

But I guess they hit like trains on crit and can autogenerate crits so...

[brittle salmon]

Yeah I think if you can pilot them well you can just Kill Guys

I also think Breachers being bad is less them being unsalvageable and more them basically having no tools to hang out with the current metagame big boys

It's a very bad time to be a horde team

[topaz hinge]

We don't have good data on wrekas yet

[brittle salmon]

It's basically just Noviates who can perform well for a horde team, and that's exclusively because they cheat really hard

[floral herald]

AIUI they are also just kind of bad

Just a lot of stuff being weak or weird nerfs

Like how they lost a model in the update

Inquisition is also a horde and is really strong

The meta is definitely a few really overtuned elites and the teams which have the tools to fight them though yeah

[brittle salmon]

Oh no they're absolutely bad

But not unsalvageable bad

[floral herald]

Oh yeah the balance dataslate can help them a lot

[brittle salmon]

Dataslate needs to shoot Warpcoven in the head in particular

[floral herald]

There's some teams which are pretty good but struggle into the meta like Kommandoz and I think on top of that Breachers are weak

[brittle salmon]

Mhm

I think the dataslate needs to really chop up the best teams, buff the very weakest, then see how the dust settles

[rocky shale]

I'm excited to build starstriders because the orbital strikes seem so fun

[floral herald]

Yeah they seem super fun

[jaunty dawn]

Is this fun to play or fun to play into haha

[solemn gull]

How does this end in anything besides a tpk or is that the plan?

[floral herald]

Based on their commentary kinda both

[jaunty dawn]

interesting

highly subjective I suppose, as it should be

[paper bluff]

You can easily say it's a roll of the dice

[pine matrix]

That's a fucking Beast

[mild glen]

Space Marines are entirely beatable, but difficult, fights.

[thin ibex]

is it a world eater in their full battle plate or stripped of their traditional gear and given arena weapons?

[jagged dawn]

Casually discussing exterminatus over drinks

And of course the other reason for not bombing the planet to ash is then the officers wouldn’t be able to settle down afterwards

[thin ibex]

https://youtu.be/Gr3lVmGQmQ0?si=bdxOyP2n7ajdjIAw

[tired cairn]

Is "take the emperor's gift" a euphemism for dying of old age or euthanasia?

[unreal cosmos]

I think it refers to the settlement rights, service in the Guard is traditionally rewarded with land, or at least the promise of it

[jagged dawn]

In this instance it means the promise of retirement and settlement rights for Astra Militarum personnel

[tired cairn]

I am surprised at that lol

[hard whale]

"taking the emperor's mercy" is euthanasia, can see how they'd get confused

[past sphinx]

A lot of guard end up living on conquered planets as a first wave of settlers iirc

Already have a bunch of men and equipment where you need men and equipment

Just gotta live that long

[jagged dawn]

It’s an established thing in the lore

Under some circumstances following a successful campaign victory the regiment is disbanded and allowed to settle whatever world they’ve helped conquer

[jaunty dawn]

Comic of an euthanised guardsman followed by a dismembered space marine on a farm

[tepid stratus]

I have so many mixed opinions on this codex but my main takeaway is bridgehead is now the only detachment I can legally play with my collection, my scions got deadlier but are way more dependent on transports now and there's suddenly some useless stratagems in bridgehead that will need an FAQ

[jaunty dawn]

Its also why there’s cadians everywhere

[jagged dawn]

Obviously this is very rare because, guard

But for a bunch of high ranking officers of noble birth? Definitely possible

Based on a similar thing that happened with the Roman army. You serve your established number of years and are then allowed to retire and given an allotment of land

[unreal cosmos]

A fun Horus Heresy detail is that when the civil war started, a lot of retired Solar Auxilia regiments that had settled down took up arms again to back up the Emperor/Warmaster. The game actually has rules for playing experienced but elderly veterans.

[past sphinx]

Auxilia where some real hard assed sons of bitches

[runic swallow]

Hey, Cryptid, saw earlier you were reading Dead Men Walking, did you finish it?

[past sphinx]

Kinda baffled there isn't a handful of books for em

[runic swallow]

There’s a few short stories but that’s it, yeah

[upper canopy]

That would require the HH to be about anything other than space Marines

[jagged dawn]

Haven’t yet, got distracted reading Shadowsword which is where the excerpts we’ve been posting came from

[runic swallow]

Gotcha

I’ve read it, overall I liked it

[mild glen]

Eh. Probably give them all full battle rattle.

[runic swallow]

I think it makes a okay balance between Krige as being soulless automatons and being just normal guys

Also it’s just kinda a neat matchup

[solemn gull]

Really? I was under the impression imperium maledictum characters are very delicate and squishy

[jaunty dawn]

one marine with prep time is probably okay if you have the required equipment

but it could go really bad for you at basically any time cause of how the snowballing mechanics work

[tired cairn]

the marine will die a lot easier if he doesn't have a name. Also, if he is wearing a helmet

[jaunty dawn]

plus in an arena fight you dont really have an opportunity to stack the snowball in your favour at the start of the fight

or itd be tricky anyway

[tired cairn]

Does the world eater get his armor? Because I can see the evil space elves not giving him that to make it more sporting/interesting'

[jaunty dawn]

oh that would help a lot

[mild glen]

I haven't exactly sat down with rulebooks to stat this all out.
But everyone is squishy in IM...
Would probably do the World Eater without armour, though. IIRC damage reduction on that thing is ridiculous.

[brittle salmon]

There's rumours that Scions losing DS is a misprint, since the leaked codex is a proofreader copy

Especially since Aquilons magically still have their 3" deep strike in that printing

So I wouldn't assume anything for now based on the contents

[tepid stratus]

I hope that's the case

They also missed the officer keyword on the tempestor prime lol

[pale narwhal]

The 3” deep strike might just be because of the delay between printing and release

Tbh

Final product might still have that

[tepid stratus]

I hope it's a misprint on the DS because otherwise I've got a stratagem and an enhancement that are both literally impossible to use lol

[jaunty dawn]

they dont always incorporate matched play changes into codexes anyway

but also if theres like literally nonsense rules in it ofc theres a mistake somewhere along the line

[topaz hinge]

Heard rumours from Fireside that scions are gonna be erratad to get DS back ASAP

[jagged dawn]

||hoooooooooh

There’s a fucking obelisk boys!||

[mild glen]

3" deep strike absolutely deleted one of the strategems that Retaliation Cadre liked, too.

T'au can't get a break with overarching rules changes. There was, like, six months there where one T'au enhancement was basically "Pay ten extra points for this model. No changes are made to how it plays."

[glad spear]

Puretide engram

[desert jay]

In Auspex Tactics's review of the codex, Tempestus Scions have lost deep strike, so that's probably final

I think DS is gone from Scions just because Aquilons exist now

[rocky shale]

Scions are just shootier infantry now

[jaunty dawn]

its kinda funny they did the whole 'change the lore to explain a unit update thing' for a period of like

what 4 months

like the explanation for why aquilons arent just scions with modeled grav chutes was some shit about being grav chute specialists and then like 5 seconds later theyre just scions with modeled grav chutes (and barely any special weapons)

[brittle salmon]

Did Auspex Tactics say he got a review copy?

Because I don't think he did lol

[desert jay]

Well it's with not the photos of the leak

Unless there were multiple leeks

[brittle salmon]

Might well be, especially since the krieg HWT laspistol typo is still in lol

[tired cairn]

I am missing something here

[jagged dawn]

The joke is that the plan involves 2/3 of your points not coming from the fucking $230 army box

So it’s like, kind of missing a few steps of progression

[tired cairn]

Oh lol

[topaz hinge]

Classic Guard, 300 points in a box

[mental birch]

It was pay 20 points

[dense sedge]

I hope that haemonculi covens get a range refresh and a big box

[mild glen]

I misremembered the cost. Thank you for the correction.

I regret only that I never got the chance to "legitmately" say "So, I'm 20 points over cost, but that's just Puretide Engram"

[brittle salmon]

Thinking about @floral herald's deathwatch campaign again 😌

[pale narwhal]

I think my last Deathwatch campaign was my first ever 40krpg campaign

it was an... interesting intro to 40krpgs

[brittle salmon]

Oh dear

Was it the FFG Deathwatch?

[pale narwhal]

it was

[brittle salmon]

Oh dear.

Yeah, FFG Deathwatch is fun and all, but as an introduction system?

Oh dear.

[upper canopy]

Why did I pick this I'm addled

Removed deleted

But yes cyan's game rules

To this day

[brittle salmon]

Lmfao

Voy we have to play together again sometime

Brother Tor was peak

[upper canopy]

[brittle salmon]

Making his Aggressor brothers proud... sniff

meanwhile, arctavus: shoots himself with a plasma pistol to avoid Cacodominus possession

[upper canopy]

Then one shots a leman russ

Classic medic manuevr

[brittle salmon]

That's just how the medic rolls

I think I also got Dave's Iron Hands fellow up in between that

After its LRBC blew open the wall behind him

(friendly reminder: do not get hit by a battle cannon)

[mental birch]

It's fineee

[brittle salmon]

(that could have outright killed other PCs)

[mental birch]

Only a 4+ save right?

[brittle salmon]

Yeah a coin flip! It's fineeee

[upper canopy]

Friendly reminder do not man fight two greater daemons at the same time

Brother Tor is a paid professional

[brittle salmon]

Brother Tor is off the shits on the Black Rage

He Can Just Do That

You Can't

[pale narwhal]

It’s testament to the GM of that game that I’m playing 40krpgs to this day and look fondly on the experience

My character from it, a Carcharodon, is becoming a LT in my currently in progress carcharodons army

[brittle salmon]

Hell yeah

[pale narwhal]

Once everything is built I’ll post it here, currently waiting to get my pin vise back from a friend so I can build and magnetise a gladiator/impulsor which is the last thing I have to do before it’s ready for priming

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/f60kmnsd/the-regimental-standard-what-not-to-die-for-and-other-handy-tips-for-death-korps-troopers/

I like the idea that ending messages with “- no matter the cost” is like a running joke on krieg

mess hall opens at 0700 - no matter the cost

[tired cairn]

Making sure the mess hall is open at 0700 is notably not on the list of things not to die for

[pulsar cairn]

mental health of a kriegsman commissar must not be great

like a kriegsman in general doesnt have a great mental state

but the commissar will have it bad for different reasons

[tired cairn]

"if you charge the enemy now I will shoot you myself"

[solemn gull]

how many marines died?

[tardy vault]

Krieg Commissars are definitely one of the funnier bits of lore

[floral herald]

I think actually no one but it was close

There were a lot of “oops that was unlucky” hits for like 70% max life

Always thank the apothecary haha

[brittle salmon]

I took aaaaall the support talents

😌

[deft crest]

"No guardsmen this ISNT the time to stand and fight to the death!"

"WE ARE NOT ENTRENCHING HERE PUT DOWN THAT SHOVEL PLEASE"

"Sargent if I see you start boiling shoe leather to eat one more time instead of your rations I promise upon the emperors throne"

Commisasar: Why can't you just be normal?!
Muffled envirosuit sounds

[glad spear]

executes one of them for a morale boost

[floral herald]

Man, I should have started putting the Exaction fellas together earlier

These are very delightful to assemble models

[rocky shale]

For kill team I'd assume?

I've been considering doing a proxy for subductors when I get around to painting my agents models

Don't love the judge dredd cops

[floral herald]

Yeah

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/_Jyggalag_/status/1878206342248198618

[paper bluff]

I think a friendship would form

[thin ibex]

Imo the frog. Homeboy moves stars as a flex and just decides to not die when they die

[pastel rampart]

Yeah Big E gets washed in this match-up and it's not even close.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1328035981282246656/img_1_1736698801989.jpg?ex=67853d63&is=6783ebe3&hm=acf4d1db1d192e6b5e709edd513c6709127ebe19c9b60ee07ea54b00f52661f7&

[dense sedge]

Got a crusade game today vs death watch

[upper canopy]

Lord Kroak no diffs

[floral herald]

I think a lot depends on if the storm of the emperor’s wrath was specifically the emperor

[runic swallow]

Yeah when Kroak died he just said “nah” rather than be in a half-death unable to do much other than be a beacon

So I’d put it on mummy frog

[tired cairn]

Maybe it would have been better for the emperor of her properly died (this message brought to you by that one radical inquisition sect)

[mental birch]

They're the imperium 1ksons

[floral herald]

He just got whacked by some fellers with axes, idk if he would have survived Horus Lupercals’ Yugioh Night

[mental birch]

On their turn you're like "they do WHAT!?"

On your turn you go, "oh yeah they're just marines...."

[upper canopy]

only one person here ever canonically got strangled to near-death by an orc

[thin ibex]

I'm just saying, kroak rearranged stars to look like a frog as a middle finger tu the chaos gods. The emperor does not rearrange stars

[tired cairn]

Not a great trick in a fight though

[floral herald]

That ork is Atlas for orks in powerscaling arguments holding up like 50% of their high end

[upper canopy]

He wasn't even a Primork he was just some random guy

[floral herald]

Trying to look up some publication order to check something and uhh you ok there google?

[thin ibex]

The question is always "which stars" if we're considering applications in combat, alongside kroaks own immunity to death

[floral herald]

(More specifically it’s checking publication order to see when primork was coined)

[upper canopy]

The Emperor tries to make a sun that'll kill Lord Kroak not knowing Kroak has the "control the sun" spell

https://tenor.com/view/frog-jumpscare-jump-jumpscare-frog-toad-jumpscare-gif-17126897754304945804

[bright dove]

Good news, this got me talking in another server, and one of my friends had this as a response in regards to Warhammer Fantasy:

Wait why is this setting so based and, furthermore, why did nobody tell me

[desert jay]

Old World or AOS?

[bright dove]

Both.

[tardy vault]

Hell yeah. WFB is fucking fantastic, but I'm also glad you repp'd AoS stuff because shits good too.

[pulsar cairn]

The frog leaders in fantasy and aos are cool

[tardy vault]

Yeah, the Lizardmen/Seraphon in general are pretty cool

[glad spear]

Kroak when he nuked himself to obliterate an army, and then decided that he wouldn't die that day

[finite compass]

The Lizardmen just casually causing the collapse of the Dwarf empire by deciding that some mountains were in the wrong place, and moving them an inch to the right.

[glad spear]

So based

[upper canopy]

Kroak is the only WH character who could dare to standa gainst Sailor Moon

[mild glen]

Not knowing Kroak or Sailor Moon that well, I'm still confident in predicting Sailor Moon wins handily.

[glad spear]

Sailor moon does some bullshit op magic

Kroak: "Wait I got a spell for that"

[uneven ember]

Probably.
I was never super into Sailor Moon but I am familiar with the era of "who would win" match-ups
& how the nerd bros would get so mad that Usagi could, canonically, beat the ass of whatever Serious Dark Edgy dude they tried to match her against

[glad spear]

Sailor Moon is great

[tardy vault]

There's an excellent thread on Spacebattles for the Emperor v Sailor Moon

it's 17 pages of a single dude trying to come up with feats for the Emperor and everyone else just shrugging and pointing to something from Sailor Moon that completely trounces him.

[meager quail]

Yeah the Sailor Senshi are extremely powerful

Also Usagi can just bring back the dead

Really the only question even worth asking is "Usagi vs. all four gods of the warp" (she still probably wins)

[tardy vault]

Also, this is off topic, but I have to post this. This is my favorite vs debate thread. It's even keeping in the theme of absurd power scaling!
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/aesma-kill-six-billion-demons-vs-the-endless-sandman.89542/#post-20018911

(it is a very short thread dw)

[meager quail]

Does it end with "Desire thinks she is extremely funny and sponsors her in all her endeavors"?

[tardy vault]

Nope. Ends with ||Dream tricking her into going to sleep then them all running off because Aesma always wins in the must unfulfilling way possible||

[mild glen]

"Look, buddy, I don't know how to say this, but at one point Usagi becomes the universe in order to fight somebody else who was also the universe at the time. Magical Girl power scaling is broken."

[pulsar holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115842032691326986/1327402290033852538/Snapinsta.app_video_AQOKonqVlNqgEnw8W1d6JXM3-W0Xp2JhfkuCB06LsL79WMj5lMbfElZhOzTvcjxZ8ap3D3vEPgFWPBE2BSiBf4cJy9_ziFLXvGYsNBs.mp4?ex=6784e977&is=678397f7&hm=4a2d12f64134460d8f7e78378ad78c42a41db9933431c7919a64344587146687&

[dense sedge]

My gsc aren’t doing well

Went second, grabbed obj turn now and now I’m getting gunned down and shot up

Even from the back because desthwatch

It’s only turn 2 his turn and it’s clear I’ve already lost

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GTV950DonQE

Basically the Raven Guard

[meager quail]

I am reposting this to book club because Batman

[pulsar holly]

One day Abelard shall understand the wisdom of my decisions in Rogue Trader 😔

[jagged dawn]

For the emperor yes yes

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheAstraMilitarum/s/DEmLNU5Hd0

[jagged dawn]

https://x.com/salllllty_water/status/1875955381933130176?s=46&t=oWW_NnXMz5xZU9SUUTq01g

鹹水🌊 (@Salllllty_water) on X

Maybe a possum stormvermin?

Twitter · Jan 5, 2025, 5:19 PM

[pulsar cairn]

Do Skaven do mercenary work?

[hard whale]

yes, but they betray anyone who hires them so they mostly work for other skaven

[meager quail]

I assume they would still betray those other Skaven given the opportunity

[pulsar cairn]

Do the betray the other skaven any less?

[mild glen]

IIRC, approximately 60% of Skaven culture is betrayal.

[hard whale]

obviously they betray the other Skaven just as much, if not more. But they know it's going to happen

[thin ibex]

anyone have like top 3 recs for age of sigmar novels?

as someone who has not really delved into aos?

or, err, for someone*

[paper bluff]

I hear good things about Godeater's Son. Shows rather justified khornate worship

Do you have any familiarity with the Gotrek and Felix books?

[thin ibex]

I do, used to keep up with it but fell behind it

[jagged dawn]

Missed out on the DKoK box so we’re looking at the red makers death division STL files

Not bad

We may end up 3D printing most of our Krieg army bar vehicles and modeled heroes because our university has some 3D printers on campus

[tepid stratus]

God eaters son for chaos, Hollow King for death, Hamilcar Bear Eater for order. Destruction tragically has a lack of books but I hear Gloomspite is good

Additional suggestions: The Last Volari, Darkoath, Flight of the Iron Dragon, any of the Callis and Toll novels

[thin ibex]

thankee! bit of reading might give me a better understanding of the setting too

[sour sequoia]

-----
Grand Alliance Chaos | Skaven | Warpcog Convocation
Drops: 3
Spell Lore - Lore of Ruin
Manifestation Lore - Primal Energy
-----
General’s Regiment
Thanquol on Boneripper (360)
• General
Clanrats (300)
• Reinforced
Ratling Guns (340)
• Reinforced
---
Regiment 1
Grey Seer (120)
• Foulhide
Acolyte Globadiers (100)
Clanrats (150)
Clawlord (80)
---
Regiment 2
Grey Seer (120)
• Scurry Away
Clanrats (150)
Warlock Engineer (130)
Warplock Jezzails (150)
-----
Faction Terrain
Gnawhole
-----```

Thinkin I go with this for a tourney saturday

I just gotta rebase thanquol and 20 rats, and paint the grey clanrats, clawlord, n globadiers + finish up weapon teams + grey seer up front

Unbelievably funny to me the clanrats are actually like the best anvil unit around

Four levels of wizard should be enough to pull dirty tricks and handle summons

[finite compass]

The other 40% is shameless simpering and fawning while they prepare for said betrayal.

[paper bluff]

Would back stabbing be considered apart of the percentile of betrayal?

[hard whale]

metaphorical backstabbing is definitely betrayal. Literal backstabbing is self-defence against backstabbing

[finite compass]

Thanquol paced. The plan was not going well. Surely, thought Thanquol, he was the most potent of mage-rats, the most exalted of the Council's agents. Why, then, did the Lords of Decay keep sending him inferiors to work with? Warlord Skrich of Clan Krik had jeopardised the task of destroying Citadelle La Bouef. True, Thanquol had promised the drawbridges would be down, but that had been the fault of those worthless Gutter Runners. Yes, the poison Thanquol had bought for them turned out to be so watered down as to be safely drinkable, but he had saved many warptokens. Thanquol gnawed his pale, rubbery tail, recalling how the Duke had counter-attacked, sending the Clanrats fleeing. The fool Assassin should have already slain that manling! Of course, Thanquol had reassigned the Assassin to kill several upstart Skaven in his own ranks, a mission from which the Clan Eshin agent had never returned. Such failures could only be devious sabotage! But who, thought Thanquol, would dare match wits with so mighty a personage as himself? The hidden foe must be dangerous indeed.

[uneven ember]

Is this from the same clip where two Skaven are in on video chat, and one of their phones explodes, & he's going "he tried to kill me! ...no, I'm probably being paranoid, it's just a normal deadly explosion phone malfunction"
& then we cut to the other guy on the call like "damn! That exploding phone was supposed to kill him"

[past sphinx]

Its the underempire not the skaven themselves that are secret in the empire right?

[brittle salmon]

It's both

[paper bluff]

Holy hell, I forgot "farsqueakers" were a thing with skaven

[still warren]

They even have their own equivalent of twitter

[paper bluff]

Skitter iirc

Came from a bloodbowl book

[pulsar cairn]

ya think skaven would be angry if i used a magic spell to make em cute like in that meme?

[bright dove]

Yes

[pulsar cairn]

too bad

[paper bluff]

I don't think a lady skaven would mind but........ there's a lot with that

[finite compass]

https://bsky.app/profile/thenoobpainter.bsky.social/post/3lfnfpl7hnk2j

Noob (@thenoobpainter.bsky.social)

The Imperium used to have such drip....

Likes

248

Bluesky · Jan 13, 2025, 6:50 PM

[still warren]

Yo is that Yakub?

[tired cairn]

That many eye motifs? Probably corrupted by Tzeetch

[tranquil ivy]

Not all Chapter Masters have fancy tech and look like big bosses

Some believe that standing out is a surefire way to get your ass beat

[thin ibex]

look, i just respect a chapter master who uses a chainsword

i like non min-maxed chapter masters

its kinda one thing i respect about titus is despite his rank his continued insistence on using a chainsword in his major depictions

(not saying hes a chapter master, just saying hes high ranking and isn't defaulted to power fist or power sword)

[paper bluff]

Do you respect rogal more due to that?

[thin ibex]

i do yeah

its cool to have chainsword rep amongst the primarchs

[tired cairn]

🤔 why hasn't anyone made a power chain weapon

[thin ibex]

something i wonder about in the setting vs game mechanics, comp its important to have marine killing present in your army, but i feel as though like ork killing or like chaff infantry killing tends to be more the setting norm, no?

I think tyberos has like... powerclaw chainfists iirc

cant think of too many other power chain things

frost weapons are kinda like that

[tepid stratus]

Thing is, marine killing is also ork killing due to the 2 wound statlines

Ap -2 D2 is kinda the perfect damage profile for both orks and marines

And consequently votan

[mental birch]

Marine killing is the bar

Once you meet it you fineeeee

[tired cairn]

You ideally would trade of a bit of AP for strength to kill orks I think?

[floral herald]

AP -2 is kinda wasted on orks where S5 is more important yeah

[tired cairn]

It's weird orks are a 5+ these days

Really impressive tshirts

[mental birch]

S6 tends to be enough for horde marine and orks

S6 ap1 or 2

[thin ibex]

Ork killing are generally 1 wound iirc

[tepid stratus]

Every wound roll being a dead ork is more valuable than you'd think with how common cover is and how many more boys they put out than marines

[thin ibex]

only nobs and up are 2 wound

Really my thought is about how like... you'll probably see less focus on like... the types of weapons that deal 2 wounds or are anti tank in a real-to-setting army, and probably see a better balance of things like heavy bolters/machineguns (which are generally overshadowed because the special/heavy slots are so valued in tabletop army building)

[tepid stratus]

Guess I'm just too used to the boss detachment matchup

[thin ibex]

the ork T5 jump was so interesting, means less wounds but usually they evaporate when wounded

but also made a lot of like chaff clear guns less able to incidentally end them

like stubbers and bolters

which historically, bolters are supposed to be decent against an ork

[floral herald]

Relatively good toughness has long been an Ork hat so it makes sense to keep it went up with the uncapped strength

[thin ibex]

arguably invented to kill orks

[tired cairn]

It's interesting they went with two wounds for marine toughness and more toughness for ork, err, toughness

[thin ibex]

not that they exist anymore, but the thought occurs to me that like... in the setting, an infantry squad with a heavy bolter weapon team is probably WAY more common than a lascannon team, but on the table, the heavy bolter is effectively never taken

heavy bolter team*

[tired cairn]

The tank to troop ratio is probably way higher than in universe for your typical balanced army

[pastel rampart]

HBs have forever gotten the shaft.

[thin ibex]

then again, in-setting, the HB is also functionally similar in ways to an autocannon, in that it pulls double duty as a light anti armor weapon

its more multirole in that way

i think quad hb's are also commonly anti air?

or were

[tired cairn]

The icarus autocannon seems pretty common now. And also it's a funnier name

[pastel rampart]

In-setting HBs have a valid role and are commonly used, rules-wise they're in an awkward spot that tries to justify itself and kinda fails to.

[thin ibex]

i imagine there are other realities to consider, like how suppression exists in the setting, which can help value sustained fire support, but on the table its a rare special rule

[tired cairn]

Calling it the Sol cannon would have possibly been even more funny, but it's probably also not obvious enough for 40k naming

[tired cairn]

When used against infantry and light vehicles these rounds are equally devastating, allowing even a single Hydra to decimate entire formations in a heartbeat. While the use of a Hydra in this role is a breach of official regulations, Imperial commanders often overlook such infractions.

Sucks to get the fresh Commissar who is a stickler for the rules. Also it's this based on historical doctrine of what you weren't supposed to use AA guns for?

[mental birch]

According to this terran historical training tool advanced wars

Anti air is supposed to be used on infantry

[floral herald]

I don’t know about that specifically but there is a quasi-mythos that you’re not allowed to use .50 bmg on infantry

[tired cairn]

It is funny in that a lot of video games that ends up being what anti-air units are balanced around. Because a bunch are too small scale for aircraft to be important enough

[floral herald]

As far as people know this is because of spotting rifles in the U.S.

[tired cairn]

Spotting rifles?

And what is it supposed to be used for in this myth? Only air units?

I would have assumed it was related to bofors or something else similar in WWII. Also, TIL bofors was a swedish company

[rocky harness]

Wasn't it due to. 50 being listed as anti-material instead of anti-personel?. So the idea was that you ever shot it at people, just the material they were wearing?

[unreal cosmos]

Military materiel has a different definition

[floral herald]

Basically a weird .50 bmg rifle on an antitank recoilless rifle

It shared ballistics and used tracers so you could use it to check your fire in the era before laser rangefinding

You don’t want people using it as a normal fun because it gives away your position early

[desert jay]

The “if I can hit you with the little gun I can hit you with the big gun” gun

[onyx elm]

Farnsworth: He's been using psionics! Only the coolest of crimes!

[untold swallow]

The Space Wolves have, their Frost Blades

The teeth of the chainsaws on the swords or axes is, depending on the depiction, totally not magical fenrisian magic ice, or totally not magical fenrisian magical metal

that produce a power field

[desert jay]

I bet they run on those little watch batteries in each chain tooth

[tired cairn]

Neat. but I want the dumb name of power chain sword

[untold swallow]

No they run on magic, like secretly fucking everything about the space wolves

xD

[desert jay]

No I think they just tell people that for hype because having to replace all the little batteries is embarrassing

[untold swallow]

lol

[tired cairn]

Do you think after the Council of Nikaea, the Space Wolves tried to figure out more ways to use magic in things just to further spit in Mangus' eye?

[untold swallow]

I can't decide what I, as a Space Wolf Hater™️, would find more insulting to them

That they knew their shit was magic and thus were conniving, hypocritical enough c*nts to do that

[pale narwhal]

The eviscerator also has a power field and is a chain weapon

[untold swallow]

Or that they genuinely were too stupid to know their shit is all magic

half the problems caused by Magnus could have been avoided if the primarchs weren't all massive c*nts and just machine translated the chogorian of the Khan's representative at Nikaea

[tired cairn]

I actually genuinely like this idea both because it is dumb* and also because you can talk about how each little power field moves stuff out of the way for the next power field

* dumb is like salt for 40k. It makes everything better until you cross a threshold where it rapidly becomes too much. Though the threshold there is work high

[floral herald]

Aren’t frost blades made from ice kraken teeth?

There’s a fair history to Super Chain Weapons being made from various kinds of living thing’s teeth

Gorechild is made from the teeth of a Mica-Dragon for example

[tired cairn]

Lexicanum says they have an effect comparable to power weapons

[floral herald]

Yeah they’re very slicy

[tired cairn]

Did 40k have the first chain weapons, or was there precedence before that?

[floral herald]

I think similar stuff was in 2000AD comics and such

[paper bluff]

Also, chainsaw swords are cool as a concept

[jagged dawn]

After consideration were veering away from deathwatch as a potential army because dear god we are not touching the current kill team rules with a 10 foot pole

More specifically we mean the rules on unit composition resulting in leftover models

[tired cairn]

I think they are setup so you can make them all from one box, but it's probably not optimal since you're likely missing out on the special weapons or whatever

Oh, stuff like 0-4 instead of 0-5 pyreblasters is pretty irritating

[jagged dawn]

You cannot. For instance an indomitor kill team can have 0-3 eradicators (melta rifles), 0-3 aggressors (power fists), and 3-10 heavy intercessors

No matter what you’re going to have 11 models and the unit is 10 max

Because heavy intercessors come in boxes of 5, and the other two models come in sprues of 3

[bright dove]

Oh cool, test paint model.

[thin ibex]

im curious as to why hydras dont mount quad multilasers

maybe its easier to mount the ammo with autocannons

but lasers seem better to hit aircraft

also quad multilaser sounds sick

that so much laser

an entire pink floyd concert in one vehicle

[floral herald]

STC lost

[thin ibex]

thats surprisingly a super solid answer, its not about whats sensible, its about what's allowed

(except for space wolves, who got to invent hte predator annihilator and then got it approved as an official pattern after like 200 years of review)

[tired cairn]

You could hypothetically just take 10 heavy intercessors (but it would be bad mechanically). But yeah the way they did specialized squad members is crummy

[tired cairn]

Because flak is AA!

[jagged dawn]

It’s very clear they kinda hodgepodged the index for the breakaway from imperial agents

It’s the same with fortis

Honestly we’ll just go space wolves and 3D print some bits for them to make the models look nicer

Do conversions

Etc

[tired cairn]

aiui it's basically the same index as what was released at the start of 10th (with some minor QoL fixes)

[past sphinx]

imagine a 40k skink though

[thin ibex]

see thats what got me thinking about quad HB

though i guess the rounds are slow

compared to an auto cannon or stubber

octostubber would be appealing though

4 twin stubbers

[past sphinx]

the pure screaming suppressive fire of quad multilasers though

and naturally 2 in the sponsons and one for the commander

really i wonder why multilasers arent more used, though i guess the heavy stubber has its advantages

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah pretty much

But also lowkey with kitbashing and when you start considering more than just one squad that isnt really a thing in practice

[finite compass]

I mean

It's SORT OF a Hydra?

Just with smaller guns

[soft willow]

Put big tires on it and it's the votann Hydra.

[past sphinx]

ah but the skink was built to engage ground fortifications as well!

[finite compass]

One of my kitbash ideas was to make a 'counts-as-Hydra' that was sort of a mashup between a Chimera chassis and a Shilka

[past sphinx]

only problem being by the time it got deployed the luftwaffa was shot out of the sky and the bunkers had been leveled flat by bombers

[finite compass]

There's also the minor issue of American combat doctrine being basically "We need air superiority at all times every time." So they never really put that much thought into ground-based AA systems

Whereas the Soviet doctrine was "Air superiority is unnecessary if we just give everybody and their grandmother an attached AAA unit"

[rocky shale]

Did you just watch the poorhammer episode

[jagged dawn]

Maybe

But we’ve also been doing list building and learned some things

[tired cairn]

The deathwatch kill teams probably would benefit from wargear or at least model costs

[tardy vault]

(btw, there was a correction for that episode in the comments re: Deathwatch. The core issue of not counting to 5 remains.)

[tired cairn]

Would it really be that bad GW if half the squad could be a given particular special weapon?

[past sphinx]

special weapon inside a squad of marines?

what are you a heretic?

actually thats kinda funny how flexible CSM marines are now with tacticals gone

[bright dove]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer-40k-leandros-codex-astartes-does-not-support-this-action-gif-3308169791359741791

[pulsar cairn]

but i do

go crazy do what u want

[pastel rampart]

https://fixvx.com/eko99nine/status/1878177755730415853

[thin ibex]

oh yo

thats actually sick

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/merrittk.com/post/3kt2imvb6ec25

merritt k (@merrittk.com)

joe rogan: last time you were on you said some things that made people pretty upset
thanquol the grey seer: thanquol regrets choice-selection of words. was high-empowered on warpstone dust
rogan: and you're done with that stuff now?
thanquol: yes-yes. thanquol has own supplement stack-product now

Reposts

138

Likes

951

Bluesky · May 22, 2024, 4:48 AM

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3jNAWPHy50

[pulsar cairn]

I wonder what they'll tell us about the Khan when we find out about his fate

Cause i think is a little weird how there's nothing not even mention of a weird figure that causes problems inside the webway

Is he just stuck there somewhere?

Who knows

[mental birch]

Me right now

Cacklin

Looool

[paper bluff]

It would be hilarious if he would become a human follower of the laughing god dur to literally meeting them. The white scars were known as "laughing killers" also iirc

However also i"m pretty sure the scars were like the salamanders in eldar hate

[pulsar cairn]

Clown Khan

[jagged dawn]

Aww, iconoclast fiefdom can’t sacrifice enemy cultists anymore 😂

Makes sense they fixed that wording but it was kinda funny

[thin ibex]

legit ethereals having for the greater good is such a weirdly niche thing, but you'd just expect them to have it

(because the unit they join will have it and you're normally not fielding an ethereal solo)

[tired cairn]

The stealth changes are annoying. Apparently the necron detachment ate major nerfs and the custodes one ate minor ones

[jagged dawn]

Where are these changes listed?

[thin ibex]

alternatively, whats the stealth change?

[pulsar cairn]

do kriegsman clone themselves or is that a fan thing?

[past sphinx]

they grow people

i dont think its straight up cloning but more like accelerated

[pulsar cairn]

Oh

That feels worse

[hard whale]

it is worse! No childhood, just straight from the vat into boot camp

no wonder they're so keen to sacrifice themselves

[past sphinx]

slap some white armor on em and boom

501st clone troopers

[mild glen]

Oh. Wow. They fixed T'au instead of letting us faster for a year.

[mild glen]

Balance dataslate and errata on warcom

[jagged dawn]

We can’t find it? We scrolled through and there’s no balance sheet just news about the IG release and a trailer for hammer and bolter

[mild glen]

Go to downloads -> warhammer 40k

[jagged dawn]

Ah, yep

Thank you

[jagged dawn]

It’s also heavily implied that a lot of Krieg soldiers are still in their mid-teens!

[mild glen]

I think you& have mentioned you're T'au players?

[jagged dawn]

We are not

Our current army is chaos knights but we’ve also been considering space wolves and astra militarum

[mild glen]

Ah. Sorry.

[jagged dawn]

All good

[mild glen]

I am, as we say, stupid.

[floral herald]

I think there’s a pretty broad spread of players who chat in here but it’s also funny how many tau players there are

[mild glen]

I think that might be some selection bias

Just a little bit

[jaunty dawn]

i feel like last dataslate was like a month ago

[jagged dawn]

Oh speaking of space wolves

How do you space wolves

List building is hard

[deft crest]

I missed the skaven chat but I think the only ones you MIGHT trust are clan mors but even then its like ehhh

Wrong message

[mild glen]

I have... no idea. Trying to build a space marine list scares me. That codex has, like, 100 units in it

[deft crest]

That said I managed to get my 2 boxes from KT and Red Makers has been tempting because I could start making a proper army but I don't like that they would look proportionally different

[jagged dawn]

Yeah that’s why we’re asking for help

[jaunty dawn]

oh wait is it like. balance dataslate errata

[jagged dawn]

We got spoiled with chaos knights not having many data sheets

[pulsar cairn]

true....clone troopers do have a pretty similar life...

[mild glen]

The last time I asked for help building a Space Marine list (I was looking at maybe building an army for myself) I was told to just build around units I thought seemed neat.

So, for Space Wolves, I assume that's more of the same advice: pick a couple of units that drew you to the wolves in the first place, build your list around highlighting those.

[thin ibex]

Are you looking for advice to build like a meta strong army or just generalized advice?

I think in general the goal is to make an army with your favorite units that has solutions or options to address multiple problems, there are often better and worse solutions to a problem, but when building yourself, better to build around the solution that seems cool to you rather than what's good

Because rules change

[jagged dawn]

Mostly just general advice. The sheer number of variations leaves us a bit lost

Plus we want to lean into the aesthetic of them being Varangian guard. So mainly melee focused

[thin ibex]

Being mainly melee focused makes space wolves a good fit for sure

Are you wondering about what models to get as like a core to your army?

I find that Wolf Guard terminators really play well into a lot of Space Wolf vibes and can make a cool anchor to your army

Can't go wrong with a dreadnought either

[jagged dawn]

🤔

[thin ibex]

If you want a leaner feeling core unit, a nice blob of normal wolf guard can do work. Especially if they have a ride like a land raider

I think the thunder wolf riders are iconic if silly, and they're generally quite good in the current game state for space wolves. Though maybe they stray from a varangian guard concept

What I'm reading into with the varangian theme is elite infantry focused?

[jagged dawn]

Pretty much yeah, with some other things thrown in that we think look cool

TWC would still probably fit if we add some 3D printed upgrades

[thin ibex]

Yeah, I'd look at a solid core of wolf guard or wolf guard terminators then, with characters to lead them.

Then I'd think about units who will hold ground, take ground, or target specific problems

[jagged dawn]

And we’ve been tempted to proxy Horus heresy stuff in the army. Things like deathsworn, legion praetor, or the upcoming caster of runes

Thank you though. This gives us a good baseline to marshal our thoughts around

[jagged dawn]

Building a space wolves list has made us wish they’d get a refresh on some of their unique units both model wise and stats

They’re getting a bit long in the tooth so to speak and it’s especially prevalent when you start comparing them with primaris. Like a unit of wolf guard has basically the same stats as something like an intercessor squad but is more expensive and features worse shooting (at least with the boltgun as compared to a bolt rifle)

24” range
2 attacks
3+ BS
4 S
1 D

But the bolt rifle gets AP -1 and assault+heavy

[floral herald]

Wolf guard are a melee unit though aren’t they?

I’m not actually that familiar with the SW list in a while

My recollection is that they were basically SW Chosen

[jagged dawn]

They’re definitely decent in melee with their heirloom weapons but at least lorewise they’re an honour guard

Suppose they do get storm shields

Idk

Just want to see these units get new sculpts and some stat upgrades so they feel better

[topaz hinge]

Imperial Guard's Forge World selection got absolutely gutted

[jagged dawn]

How bad is it?

[topaz hinge]

Literally only the Avenger Strike Fighter and Cyclops Demolition Vehicle remaining

SO many datasheets got axed

27 losses

[past sphinx]

yikes

maybe plastic kits will come around one day

leman russ getting a casemate upgrade sprue would be great if unlikely

[paper bluff]

How many variants of the leman russ tank made it past the filter?

[past sphinx]

theyre all in the same box no?

[floral herald]

I think it might 2 plastic kits but all the variants are in GW plastic iirc

It’s just weird tanks and such which are FW

[thin ibex]

This is why they're costed the way they are, heirloom weapons + squad wide 4++ along with a beefy character make them quite a threat, especially when you can load 12 of em into a land raider.

[past sphinx]

thank god the malcador is in plastic 😦

though wheres the defender gw

[desert jay]

It goes for all armies. If you buy whatever models are competitively strong, rules and points change all the time. If you buy a bunch of cool dudes, you will always have cool dudes

Sometimes the strong stuff doesn’t even stay strong long enough to get painted

[upper canopy]

Do any of the Stormcast models actually look like that top right guy?

[paper bluff]

That is basically how I explain warhammer over MTG. No offense to magic, I just think it is more of a money sink

[floral herald]

https://x.com/nornqueenkya/status/1879607354980974650?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Norn-Queen Kya (@NornQueenKya) on X

Me: So I have the 7foot banner. The portraits of my titan princeps. Extra titan heads to show off their cockpits. And printed lore on the legio for the display table.

Husband: Do you know how to play 30k?

Me: No that's the least important thing about 30k

Twitter · Jan 15, 2025, 7:11 PM

[unreal cosmos]

I believe there's a model of that specific guy

[runic swallow]

I would be interested to get into 30k when I get back into GW wargaming

[unreal cosmos]

There's definitely a lot of fun to it!

Supposedly there's a new edition on the way so that could be a good entry point

[runic swallow]

Interesting!

[upper canopy]

I actually dig the sleeveless look on the Stormcast

[runic swallow]

Gotta show off the guns when you’re being fantasy heroes

[thin ibex]

Threw together a quick list with a central wolf guard unit. I wont claim the list is strong, but I'd play it.

[tepid stratus]

Yes, they're a unit of named characters called the Blacktalons

All of those figs are based on their minis

[mild glen]

Having just finished Elemental Council the other night, I feel I must join the chorus of voices asking for Ke's suit to be added to the Codex.
Or even just her.

[finite compass]

The only difference between Clan Mors and other Skaven Clans is sometimes, Clan Mors will forget all the duplicitly and just stab you in the front instead.

[desert jay]

@tepid stratus Did you hear the news BTW? Scions got errata'd to have DS again

[past sphinx]

oh thank god

[tepid stratus]

I did, I'm very happy

Tho the other regs at my LGS are starting to sweat lol

[past sphinx]

im gonna do my damnedest to do cityfight camo on my traitor guard

[paper bluff]

Is there a changes list or will I have to watch auspex tactics?

[floral herald]

I found a pretty good summary in the comments on /r/warhammercompetitive

[tardy vault]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Daughtersofkhaine/comments/1i1u8mp/kit_bash_hag_queen_ive_always_hated_having/?ref=share&ref_source=link

Saw this on reddit

And I think I'm going to try something like this out

only instead of using a Khinerai harpoon I'm going to use a snake spear (just because I have spares of those lol)

[solemn gull]

I feel this I haven’t played a 40k game in so long I don’t even know tenth but I’ve still just been making little dudes

[white mural]

Finally built my Goliath rock grinder?

If you look at the last pic I gave it truck nuts!!!

[soft willow]

Add another set, to match the correct number of arms.

[uneven ember]

"You've forgotten the real meaning of Christmas, er, 40K fluff: explaining why the expensive army men are so cross with each other."

[thin ibex]

Bit of a silly list

I don't know if blood claws reliably outfight elites but with a land raider backing them up maybe

[paper bluff]

We all have our OC

[thin ibex]

random thought, but i kinda like how the siege regiment plays with offmap arty more, i know its a staple but the board size and scale make almost all the available arty you can bring kind of nonsensical

there's no world where a basilisk would want to aim up to hit a target on the same board as it

considering how much gw struggles to balance indirect, i think making artillery more of an accessible effect focused on debuffs and so on is probably better than the alternative

of actually being proper firepower

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1329577359745220792/bafkreiafr4augaxcaj6vxyuplhpsqe772caiby4vbywsauzmv4mkimggg4.jpg?ex=678ad8e8&is=67898768&hm=9efbf05c2a0c27707d232a862c8327f244782657b11dafe1c5dfa9138a4830e9&

[desert jay]

No one, in fact, has to serve Chaos

[pulsar cairn]

Chaos bad

[jaunty dawn]

Alpha legion disliked this

[pulsar cairn]

so

we talked about how enough people acting a certain way could influence the chaos gods

since they can also represent some more positive aspects

it just doesnt happen cause the bad aspects are clearly more dominant

but like would chaos even be chaos if the positive aspects took over?

[past sphinx]

the warp would calm

[mild glen]

Gang: Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon, Krootox Riders, or stormsurge?

[pastel rampart]

Vampire lord riding a stormsurge.

[glad spear]

I love my stormsurge, even if they aren't optimal

Such a cool ass model

I also love me some flesh eater courts

[mild glen]

Such is the power of Nagash

[paper bluff]

I got nothing. I just thay that as a reaction imagine

[tardy vault]

Won my first game!

Against a brand new Stormcast player who underestimated what DoK does.

[floral herald]

Woo hoo

[jaunty dawn]

Snakes chasing off a wizard nice

Colour scheme is looking awesome!

[tardy vault]

Thanks!

I'm planning on basing them in the desert so I'm keeping the bright bases as well

Bit more yellow ofc, but same contrast

[jaunty dawn]

Looking forward to seeing it!

[tardy vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012906556578345042/1329646458772918272/20250116_184026.jpg?ex=678b1943&is=6789c7c3&hm=055ae11f257503d6b81e091199b5d92a9f3b6080003a157d72fad0ffec07f56f&

End turn top of round 1

[mild glen]

Well, this answers my question earlier in the night https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yu1duwle/lvo-preview-2025-the-barrow-kingdoms-rise-to-serve-the-soulblight-gravelords/

[tardy vault]

VULKAN LIVES

(they teased a Salamanders release)

[floral herald]

Yoooo EC teased now

They’re fugly (laudatory)

Gross guys in sleek armor

[mild glen]

They're ugly as hell (I love them)

[floral herald]

Oh my god they’re stealing the Primaris naming scheme too

Fulgrim’s mocking use of Imperial terminology can’t be stopped

[mild glen]

I'm not watching live, I'll catch the show later. Someone at my FLGS told me I was eating well on the SBGL front after I half-jokingly wished for Deathrattle archers, so I looked it up.

[floral herald]

(They have unit types like Tormentors and Incitors)

[uneven ember]

he's so catty

[floral herald]

Gross Tormentors can defile objectives to make them sticky

Huh army wide precision?

Fuck yes

Oh huh they’re Havoc Equivalents now

Thicker armor and heavy metal weapons

[uneven ember]

yeeeeeeeah

[floral herald]

Blade lords or something

Elite melee

lol they have daemonic patrons where you can buff them but if they fail to kill any models they die

Also a Lord Kakophonist

[tardy vault]

With his Doom Siren on his back

If you want some seriously fucked up marines, then Emperor's Children are going to land just right

[floral herald]

Yeah I’m here for it

[tardy vault]

Every head is worse (positive) than the last

[floral herald]

Whoa the EC get to run Slaanesh daemons in the same army list

Do the other cult lists get that?

[tardy vault]

World Eaters do apparently?

Honestly I expect the Demon Codex is going to get nuked and all the demons shoved into the different legion codexes

[uneven ember]

(just want him back)

[desert jay]

Currently as allies/soup, but a lot of people have been expecting the daemon codex to be broken up and shuffled into the cult legions

(Also no clue what happens to Belakor)

[mild glen]

But what are they gunna do with Undivided daemons? Like Be'lakor? Just shove him into CSM like with Vashtorr?

[desert jay]

Also, guesses on these... Space Wolves, Salamanders, Grey Knights, and Chaos Knights?

[uneven ember]

sounds right except bottom left is Templars

[desert jay]

Ah right

Forgot they were an option too TBH

[uneven ember]

they kinda go either way on codex vs supplement

[desert jay]

(And that'd leave Drukhari, Votann, and Grey Knights as the only indexes left not on the roadmap)

[uneven ember]

(I remember when Grey Knights were just an Imperial ally option that you were only allowed to take when you were fighting CSM)

[mild glen]

sigh Poor Space Dwarves.

[soft willow]

Imperial Knights also not on that roadmap anymore.

[desert jay]

I assumed they'd be bundled with CK but yeah fair

[soft willow]

I'd be shocked if they aren't the first after this preview.

[uneven ember]

I mean they were "if you use the S-word on our website your are banned" for like twenty years I feel like they're still in an upswing

[untold swallow]

But Tzeentch gave me the secrets to Super Awesome Magic HRT & GRS

[uneven ember]

(still having fun imagining Chaos God Career Day pitch.)
("Strength beyond limit." "Knowledge beyond comprehension." "Pleasures beyond imagination." "Turbocancer.")

[desert jay]

Comfort and relief from pain and suffering, what afflicts you will no longer torment you, an eternity in undying solace

[floral herald]

1. That boot lol
2. New iron hands model 🙂

[uneven ember]

Oh no, I do get it, outside of my jokey-jokes I do find Nurgle the most profoundly creepy of the Four.

[uneven ember]

(slay queen)

[desert jay]

Yeah IDK what you'd do to distill that down to a catchy tagline

[floral herald]

Patience and peace

[uneven ember]

"Man... fuck it."

or, as someone else summed it up, "Papa Nurgle is my weed dealer."

[jaunty dawn]

YOOOOO IRON HANDS MENTIOOKNEDDDD

oh shit the new zombie dragon looks siiiiick

night haunts next makes me think that we're getting hexwraiths followed by like, terrorgheist in a fec release

that might make too much sense

for gw tho

my wait for sisters of avelorn to use as cities gunners will soon come to an end

i really thought they were gonna come back quicker

ooh and the handmaiden model looks pretty good

harder to convert though

omg yessssss

ash waste nomads expansion!!!! finally!!!!

i love the fortified hab too

ooh the lord kakophanist is kinda morat-y

not sure how I feel about noise marines not being the line unit but being a six person squad is pretty cool

tbf they could still be line in a detachment or something

[mild glen]

Something in the universe (cause unknown) rudely dragged me into being awake and I'm still thinking about the new skellyfriends and the vampire on horse.

[thin ibex]

Yall ever wonder what the hell Calgar decides to deploy Caedo to next?

It's like deploying an Eversor that doesn't die so never needs to explode

And can take on multiple greater demons and traitor marines

[mental birch]

Me right now

Cautiously optimistic for Cathay

ahahhaha

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/s/WwtgUKJ5hl

What rules details we got

They sound interesting

[paper bluff]

Lord poop noise!

[pulsar cairn]

Looks like a bird who happens to be very angry

[floral herald]

Bass boosted!

[paper bluff]

Lucy is looking also better

[pulsar cairn]

Looks good

Expected a him to look spookier tho

Is their codex out?

[floral herald]

No just announced

[pulsar cairn]

Right

[floral herald]

From the sound of it pre orders are pretty soon

[pulsar cairn]

Did emperor's children never have a codex before?

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1329810234692075540/Screenshot_20250117-0750152.png?ex=678bb1ca&is=678a604a&hm=e96a3ee2f758dc7cdf521f16ed87fcb09e6fc97631d6270300149960c95a3661&

[pulsar cairn]

Cute baneblade

[pastel rampart]

Also yeah EC never had their own codex, they were just either in the CSM book or at best had some sort of detachment rule.

[floral herald]

Yeah this is their first one ever

I’m not that impressed with the lore offering from modern codexes but I’m interested to get more for them

[tardy vault]

First one is Grey Knights. That symbol is definitely them.

[floral herald]

I don’t think anyone else has that “semicircle word cutaway” armor motif

[pastel rampart]

That and the word "knight"

[tired cairn]

Why do the melee guys have eldar heads

[quaint compass]

Long thoughts

[bright dove]

More surface area for Slaanesh reasons

[floral herald]

They’re possessed

But too egoic to mutate much

[glad spear]

Conehead

No they aren't possessed, but they grafted themselves to resemble the daemons of Slaneesh, because they're too selfish to share their own body

[floral herald]

Ah ok, I sleepily misunderstood the stream

[glad spear]

Ur good

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/evne31tw/lvo-preview-2025-establish-exactly-how-much-is-too-much-with-the-emperors-children/

The full article

Digging the noise marines. Not quite rainbow guitars but I'll take it

[glad spear]

I like this little guy

Lord of Poxes

And this fucks

The necromunda ash nomads are sick looking

[mental birch]

Finally a model

[glad spear]

Could make good like nurgle worshipers too

[paper bluff]

Yea.

[tired cairn]

Gimme these in 40k GW >:|

[junior robin]

why is the commissar not waiving his axe around the most scary one?

[tired cairn]

He looks like he's trying to hide it behind his back lol

[pulsar cairn]

Got no arms

[tired cairn]

Yandere commissar

[unreal cosmos]

I like Commissars to have some slimy menace

Too many of them all stanced up heroically

[jaunty dawn]

hes shyyy uwu

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lys-5Fzg1g

[upper canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997877148675215390/1329878587419136134/IMG_3302.png?ex=678bf173&is=678a9ff3&hm=59f12fc1c2f384cdaf77ec5c5855b80f72488f854e627018d205fb436e881ed5&

GW NO

DON'T WRITE IT LIKE THAT

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

[still warren]

SS for super space marines

[desert jay]

Ah I see they did the customary Angron 1v1

[floral herald]

Curious what Fulgrim’s stats look like ngl

[upper canopy]

I imagine focusing on dueling

[white mural]

GW Moment

[still warren]

hey looks like Cathay is finally getting release

[jaunty dawn]

that would be actually wild

[glad spear]

Nah that's just the background of the Tomb Kings painting silly

[mental birch]

Time to start legalism posting

[past sphinx]

interesting how EC seem to have kept a lot more of their HH vibe than normal CSM

[rocky harness]

Man, mechanicus takes rubber stamping to its most extreme

[past sphinx]

maybe its just the restrained black and pink scheme

[pulsar cairn]

ya know

i've been considering getting into age of sigmar/fantasy

just cause it aint as depressing as 40k

i imagine it still has some depressing stuff

but 40k sort of been taking a toll on me

is that a good idea? or should i take a break from warhammer altogether?

i've tried it before but there's not a lot of warhammer fantasy lads on youtube

so instead i'm planning on just grabbing audiobooks and having fun with those!

[glad spear]

AOS/Fantasy is much more like heroic I guess? There's still like depressing sometimes but also like goofy and cool too

[pulsar cairn]

[glad spear]

The current army I'm building rn is the Flesh-Eater Courts, who are basically intelligent vampire zombies who ride half dead wolves and dragons.

[pulsar cairn]

neat

[glad spear]

The twist however, is that they're all crazy, and believe they're part of a court structure and are gallant knights venturing out to save people

But they just end up eating people when they think they're saving

[pulsar cairn]

i imagine AOS and Fantasy have factions or at least people we can call good, is that correct?

[glad spear]

Mhm, like the order factions are relatively good ish

[tardy vault]

FEC are more ghouls than vampires

[glad spear]

I forgor the term

But yeah ghouls

[tardy vault]

absolutely disgusting sculpts

[pulsar cairn]

good enough

[glad spear]

I love em so much

[tardy vault]

(your mileage may vary on order factions being good)

The Stormcast and the Cities of Sigmar at least are good guys tho

or as good as you can expect for a warrior god and a confederation of medival city states

[pulsar cairn]

yall have any book recommendations?

[glad spear]

Stormcast Eternals are immortal golden space marine types who are the righteous souls of dead warriors, reforged by the God King Sigmar, and warp in to fuck shit up

[glad spear]

Gotrek and Felix are classics

[pulsar cairn]

oooh i remember them!

[tardy vault]

Note they are from dead warriors meaning they're not kidnapped brainwashed children

they're like actually people and have opinions and shit

[pulsar cairn]

so cool like a space marine but without all the bad stuff?

[tardy vault]

IIRC there's a Stormcast character who was a doctor that died defending his patients

Dude got absolutely murdered, but Sigmar respected the spirit

[pulsar cairn]

that's neat

[glad spear]

They're one of the posterboys of AOS

And they're both men and women unlike space marines

[tardy vault]

Yeah basically. They're SM but way less sus.

[pulsar cairn]

that's real cool

[glad spear]

Book wise Champions of the Mortal Realms are a bunch of short novellas touching on different factions

[tardy vault]

They do have issues because every time they are "reforged" they lose memories so the eldest are basically robots

[pulsar cairn]

that's sad

[tardy vault]

The newest edition introduced a newest subfaction that is basically the SCE retirement home lol

[pulsar cairn]

does sigmar ever release them from their service?

[tardy vault]

their character units have axes that can permantly kill an SCE

But they had to get the ax from a god of death (not Nagash, another one IIRC)

[pulsar cairn]

all i know about nagash is that he's a big ol prick

[tardy vault]

Yep lmao. The Death faction is basically 4 different armies that he controls.

[pulsar cairn]

Setra may be bad but i wouldnt complain if he came back for nagash

[bright dove]

If Settra comes back, I will lose my mind in excitement.

[tardy vault]

We got Vampire necromancers leading undead, ghouls that think they're nobles, literal bedsheet ghosts, and taxmen made of bone.

People really want Settra back lol

people want some tension in Death

[pulsar cairn]

he does not serve he rules!

[cinder wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

^settra at nagash

[pulsar cairn]

hehe

[bright dove]

But yeah, Stormcast and Cities of Sigmar are pretty good guys.

[glad spear]

Order wise you have in a very small nutshell:

• Cities of Sigmar (Regular people fighting the good fight against chaos, with a flavor depending what city state you think about)
• Daughters of Khaine (Dark elf worshippers of AOS Khaine, fast scantily clad morally dubious people)
• Fyreslayers (Dwarf mercenaries who live to fight big monsters and chaos and stuff with big mohawks and runes)
• Idoneth Deepkin (Fish elves who harvest peoples souls, the first attempt at elves)
• Kharadron Overlord (Dwarves who have airships and artillery, and do rock and stone mercenary work)
• Lumineth Realm-Lords (Super magic all white ivory type high elves who love taking down all chaos)
• Seraphon (DINOSAUR LIZARD PEOPLE WHO ARE THE BEST AT MAGIC AND WARFARE, and blessed by the old ones to kick chaos ass)
• Stormcast Eternals (Space Marine angels made of dead righteous people)
• Sylvaneth (Wood Elves and dryads and trees who defend the forest of the realms)

[bright dove]

SERAPHON!!!!!!

[pulsar cairn]

i like the lizard folk mostly because of the frogs(i like frogs)

[tardy vault]

Don't forget DoK has the absolute biggest Girlboss in all the Mortal Realms: Morathi

[glad spear]

Death are all nagash related, from ghosts(Nighthaunt) to ghouls (FEC) to skeletons (bonereapers) and vampires (soulblight)

Chaos are the four main gods from 40k plus SKAVEN

[tardy vault]

There is one thing that unites all DoK players: we love Morathi because she is just The Worst

[pulsar cairn]

who's that vampire lady that felix dumped after she became a vampire?

that's all i know of the story

[glad spear]

And destruction are goblins, ogres, and orcs

I like the Death ones, Seraphon, Daughters of Khaine, Realm lords, and Skaven

Morathi btw

One of the big players of AOS due to being super super old and powerful

Been around for a long ass time

[tardy vault]

It probably the most developed major player in AoS rn too

And has done the most to push the storyline along

[pulsar cairn]

what is she?

a vampire? a demon?

[glad spear]

Tahlia Verda, First Marshal and one of the Warmasters of the City of Sigmar

[tardy vault]

Originally a High Elf

Now a Goddess

with some interesting diversions along the way

(she got eaten by Slaanesh)

[pulsar cairn]

i was about to ask if she was evil

[glad spear]

High Elf -> Dark Elf - > Goddess

[pulsar cairn]

slaanesh also hates the elves in Fantasy and AOS?

[tardy vault]

High Elf -> Dark Elf -> Food -> escaped as a snake bat monster -> started a cult -> ate a bunch of souls -> Goddess

[glad spear]

Self centered. She wants to be a goddess, and also to be reunited with her lost love, the First Phoenix King Aenarion

[tardy vault]

Oh

uhhhh

about that

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/rnrqkq123/status/1880207075961417960?t=eF1BdZZgZ-qbM6UE-XyyIg&s=19

Octosoup 🐙 ( COMMS CLOSED! ) (@rnrqkq123) on X

Orders hospitaller Lorette

Commission work 🐙

X · Jan 17, 2025, 10:54 AM

[glad spear]

Yes, Slaanesh got fucked up by elves

[tardy vault]

||she ate him||

[glad spear]

|| I know ||

We also got the dark elf darth vader himself, Malekith out of that too

The ultimate gigachad of all of the realms, Lord Kroak

[tardy vault]

Lord Kroak aka the dude that stopped being dead because he decided he wasn't dead

[pulsar cairn]

frog

[tardy vault]

The oldest frog

who moved literal mountains

[pulsar cairn]

i'll invite the frog to my tea party

[tardy vault]

and changed the stars in the sky just to piss off the chaos gods

[pulsar cairn]

he really is a gigachad

[glad spear]

Lord Kroak aka the guy who nearly ripped the fabric of the universe apart to vaporize demons

[tardy vault]

Apparently he's back in the tabletop too

like, the recent buff did a ton

[glad spear]

Lord Kroak aka the guy who, afted deciding he wasn't done after dying, turned into a second sun and vaporized a horde

[pulsar cairn]

frog

[bright dove]

Forg

[jagged dawn]

Alright we finally got around to looking at this

Question, is the chaplain intentional? Because he can’t lead anything

[unreal cosmos]

Yes but only via the aforementioned magic axes.

Another interesting thing setting Stormcast apart from Astartes is that they have Chapter equivalents, but they get sorted into them based on their temperament and background rather than just geneseed.

[thin ibex]

Chaplain can lead blood claws because he can lead assault intercessors

[pulsar cairn]

[jagged dawn]

Mmm, fair enough

There are however no blood claws in the list you posted

[thin ibex]

Oh the chaplain leads the wolf guard unit

Because the chaplain can lead sternguard, he can lead wolf guard

Means they're walking around with +1 to hit, +1 to wound, and can un battleshock themselves once a battle

[floral herald]

Yeah the posing and design feels hmm… different from the 40K default

I’ve also heard speculation that the AoS team designed them but idk

That seems like people making shit up

[past sphinx]

models look good but dont ring of AoS's design

[floral herald]

I agree, they don’t look more than coincidentally similar to me

[jagged dawn]

here's our take, no clue if it's better or worse but we like the vibes

Ope wait, wrong dreadnought

Hold on

[thin ibex]

Sick! For the record I went all generic as a habit, but space wolf characters are cool if you have spots for them

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/Kmz0Q/8eb6827a11.jpg

[jagged dawn]

fixed, realized we couldn't have the battle leader and njal leading the terminators (battle leader can only be attached if a captain or chapter master is leading them already) so we dropped the battle leader and picked up some more wolves

though it's also possible we drop njal and have the battle leader lead the wolfguard terminators

depends on if giving a group of terminators stealth and a -1 to wound rolls caused by psychic attacks is better than giving that unit lethal hits on all their weapons

Probably lethal hits tbh as combined with all the thunder hammers that’s a spicy fight phase

“Yeah here’s 19 attacks that are all auto critting and deal 2 damage each”

Think we’ll also drop a cyberwolf and one of the fenrisian wolves as that gives us enough points to snag a rhino to transport the wolf guard in while the terminators take the land raider

[tepid stratus]

Depends on what you want to read about. There's lots of good options for AOS

[glad spear]

(Mosquitos have a very high human kill count)

[past sphinx]

nobodies ever died from that little buggers bite

its all the stuff inside the bite

and on the same counter gods of death shouldnt be evil

death aint ever killed anybody

[desert jay]

Except via the curse of fatal death, can't forget that one

[past sphinx]

the roawn atkinson doctor who special?

[desert jay]

I mean the curse that shows up in the special and not the special itself, but yes

[past sphinx]

i think you could kill somebody with it either way

[pulsar cairn]

considering mosquitoes in 40k can go from regular to demonic i would be scared either way

[past sphinx]

giant bug zapper

[glad spear]

tau have nanomachines

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

[thin ibex]

Aren't a lot of Nurgle plagues made up of microscopic demons?

I'm surprised no ones done a malevolent Nurgle slime mold

[bright dove]

Oh, there's a Nurgle Daemon Prince in Soul Drinkers stuff that was a living disease. His body was all the bodies he had infected.

[pastel rampart]

Finished a bunch of the old Battle Master beastmen.

And copied the old banner, mostly. Ran out of vertical space, whoops.

[uneven ember]

nice!

[pastel rampart]

I'm using them as ungors (well whatever they're called in OPR) because they're hilariously tiny compared to modern Gors.

Like...tiny little beastmanlets.

[mild glen]

Anyone know off the top about how long it usually takes for LVO announcements to go on pre-order? Looking at my savings timeline for the SBGL stuff.

[jaunty dawn]

Honestly could be any amount of time

[jagged dawn]

Wish there were more novels about knights (both imperial and chaos in nature)

But we have found one. Kingsblade. Read the sequel already but we never read the first book

[desert jay]

You should also read Kingmaker

It's officially an assassins book but it's on a knight world and I'm told it's very good

[jagged dawn]

Hmm, description sounds intriguing

We’ll have to remember this

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Apex_Predator_(Short_Story)

It’s about an imperial knight being stalked by a chaos knight

[mental birch]

Whooo

Fought my way upwards a tournamnet and won

[floral herald]

Probably can’t put that here

[pulsar cairn]

What's the funny mechanicus man called again? Was it Cawl?

[runic swallow]

Belasarius Cawl

[pulsar cairn]

He breaks the law

But nobody can tell cause most of the population doesnt really understand technology

[balmy wave]

he is being a full on heretek

most of the Mechanicus can tell that he is doing that

[floral herald]

Yeah he's just hard to remove because he's nepo-roboting harder than anyone has in 10,000 years

[balmy wave]

he is also the highest ranking military figure in the priesthood

he's the Arch-Magos Dominus

[pulsar cairn]

i see!

[jaunty dawn]

Evil kroot

Shoutout to turn 1 when opponent got enough markerlights to target my concealed tracker and they got like 2 crits 1 hit and I was like ‘I just have to roll obscenely to survive’ and then I rolled 3 sixes

Kill op kroot is pretty good. Just being cagey using farstalker and denying enemy kills to maximise the grade difference

Only took one dog and recover items was still relatively trivial? Main problem might be opponent putting them too close together in that case though

But gather up into drop objective just means you get to cluster them up together while activating them

[floral herald]

It looks like you did really well with executing the kroot game plan yeah

Deny model losses and do objectives

[jaunty dawn]

Killing the recon drone was tricky its so scary

And it just gets to shoot so much cause of the drone controller

And it gets a 3+ save if take cover is active

[floral herald]

wow yeesh

(I haven't actually fought Pathfinders yet)

Everyone around me plays elves and humans

[balmy wave]

Pathfinders are my second favourites

and my most successful team so far

I prefer my Intercession Squad though lmao

[floral herald]

I am really digging Phobos and Exaction ATM

But part of the draw for Exaction is that the models are really fun to assemble

[jaunty dawn]

I used the farstalker token sheet and the tokens that were useful were really nice but theres like

A bunch of doubles which okay having a spare is useful i suppose, but then a bunch of apl tokens and guard/injured and thats not useful when I desperately need more orders to have two forces in full concealment round 1 xT

And no cp/vp trackers like the core box factions get, which is practically not a big deal cause like im using tabletop battles anyway, but it is a little dissapointing

Just want cardboard circle with kroot logo is that so much to ask xP

I just got a refurb ipad air and the kill team app is very weird on tablet and like cant decide whether it supports horizontal or not. But it did mean I could have tabletop battles on tablet and ktapp on phone which was helpful

Also kinda funny how the infinity app is janky in its own way but so far ahead of everyone else haha

[floral herald]

The KT app is whack

I remember there being a very nice little website for KT tracking though

Let me see if I can find it

[jaunty dawn]

Ktdash I think

[tired cairn]

Is the KT app still just a bunch of pdfs?

[floral herald]

pretty much

KTdash is good but I was thinking of this https://www.strat-sim.io/

[jaunty dawn]

Ooh wow

That looks neat