Warhammer and Such

[pulsar holly]

Saving the best for last, right GW?

Right????

[thin ibex]

im just happy to get another detachment

i really dont care if its the last one or whatever

and someone somewhere is gonna say its shit or non viable, but i also dont care about that

[mild glen]

Traditionally, the biggest and best Advent gift is the last one.
But also the recency effect.
But also also Space Wolves makes the most thematic sense out of the remaining armies

[desert jay]

Counterpoint: If EC happens it would be huge news just for existing

[tepid stratus]

God I hope

Fulgrim for Christmas

I've been waiting 10 years for my boys

[mild glen]

Right but that would be Christmas Day, not Advent.

[tepid stratus]

Slaaneshmas miracle

[mild glen]

Slaaneshmas as I finally buy Space Marines. Which I mean pre-order Noise Marines.

[desert jay]

I mean I meant even just an index and no new datasheets would be big

[mild glen]

They have one. It's two units.

[thin ibex]

release actual Grimnir-claus detachment

[glad spear]

Reject astartes, return to 250 kroothound

[desert jay]

Yeah I don’t count it

[pulsar holly]

Space Marine 2????

[mild glen]

I meant, like, space marine models, but...

[pulsar holly]

[floral herald]

I trust the dark gods that we’ll get EC news soon

[mental birch]

Anyone here have the hex sizes for

AERONAUTICA imperialis

[paper bluff]

Oh I misunderstood the question. i thought you were asking which one are we looking forward to

[mild glen]

Fair enough

[jaunty dawn]

will never understand complaining about being last ngl

like

if something is being released sequentially

someone is gonna be last

theres no two ways about it

[pastel rampart]

I think within the context of a codex, being the last in the edition often means only getting a few months to maybe a year to play before the new edition comes in and changes a bunch of shit, and makes for a weird fit in the new edition because it's only maybe partially planned for the new set of rules.

[jaunty dawn]

right but the inherent undertone of the complaint is 'this sucks, and its bad that its happening to me specifically. it should be happening to other people'

and the stakes for the grotmas shit is even lower

[glad spear]

It was more sarcasm for me

I just hate waiting lol

[past sphinx]

taro always making interesting choices

[uneven ember]

Bases are just about 1.25" to a side, board hexes just slightly larger. 1 and 3/8 it looks like

[mental birch]

Sweeet

[paper bluff]

So sisters detachment is "spend miracle die to buff"

[mental birch]

That's every sisters thinf

Tho

[jaunty dawn]

also they just made it so we have like 2 miracle dice

discarding bad dice is useful though

bastion of faith is fun

i like sacresants

[mental birch]

Deserved

Entirely

[thin ibex]

they still have a bunch of miracle dice generation right

so use what ya got and get more fast?

[tired cairn]

It's where you put the bad rolls

[junior robin]

tau detachment on christmas
which is when Santa comes
Santa is red
farsight enclaves detachment confirmed?!?!

[thin ibex]

isnt retaliation cadre pretty much farsight detach already?>

[glad spear]

They add the 8 🙏

[junior robin]

ok, second guess based on how many detachments we got that can take units from another army, Gue'vesa Auxiliaries from IG confirmed?!?!

[glad spear]

Thats where my brain went

50% IG use

[thin ibex]

gonna be a tau tank detachment

or maybe a infantry focused detach

or a stealth detach

detachment that lets you select a tank with an enhancement, turning them into longstrike

just make it a experimental battlesuit enhancement

[glad spear]

Sorry, longstrike doesn't exist anymore

[thin ibex]

thats why we'll get a detach eith the enhance

there's no way they decided his battlesuit was a failure of an experiment

homeboy wracked up those tank kills

[glad spear]

Melee battlesuit detachment

[thin ibex]

vespid detachment

[desert jay]

Wait, how many have there been this month? I know the two Knight ones and the GSC one off the top of my head

Oh right Harlequin Deldar

Still, 4 out of 25(?) isn’t a lot, that’s hitting on a 6+

[tired cairn]

I wonder if they are testing to see if it sells more models >.>

[paper bluff]

It will

[sour sequoia]

I simply hope somebody else gets stuck with lingo as bad as calling our detachment ‘shat arse’

[dense sedge]

The drukhari/harlequins one looks tempting

[finite compass]

https://vxtwitter.com/emwattnot/status/1869726028261978119

[desert jay]

Okay, ||casting Emps in Skeletor's role|| is inspired

[uneven ember]

okay this is pretty fantastic

[spice flicker]

Was talking with a friend about how Cavill's warhammer project was still active last we heard and somehow we got onto the topic of what might be good stories to adapt. I though the Forges of Mars omnibus might lend itself well to an animated adaptation while he thought a live action ciaphas cain series would be good. I like cain and think it would be entertaining to see adapted but I wasn't sure about who he chose to play cain: David Tennet but he didn't have an idea for Jurgen or the others. Honestly think there are much better choices but our lunch break ended before we could continue on.

[paper bluff]

Most seem to be hoping for that one inquisitor series. That scale of that story would be a good amount for a live action adaption I'd say

[rocky harness]

Night lord omnibus could be good

[finite compass]

I doubt they'd do an intro point that's not Imperial

[rocky harness]

Sigh, probably right

Last chancers?

[past sphinx]

ghost makers was always the communities first choice back in the day

or gaunts ghosts

[junior robin]

how about a series about the adeptus titanicus but the fights with the warmachines are made in suits like in super sentai.

might work better with knights now that I think about it 🤔

[paper bluff]

Yes but the special effects budget would be a bit high. Sure amazon but hmm

Valerian and aleya could be fun to adapt

And gels with cavill's favourite faction

[rocky harness]

Okay, hear me out. Cavil play admiral Spire in a battlefleet Gothic adaption?

[pulsar holly]

https://youtu.be/gwTck53BImw

[pulsar holly]

I'm really hoping for something original, but if a book adaptation I'm hoping for Dan Abnett's Gaunt's Ghosts.

[uneven ember]

I doubt this is going to be it but I really do think an Imperial Navy setting would be great, even if just for a single battle sequence.
Just the wild numbers of cuts you could do for the wild swings in tone over the course of the same engagement.

The command deck with people looking at the tactical display while a string quartet plays and servitors go around with hours d'ourves
cut to repair crews of ratings crawling through the cramped pipes-and-steam tunnels

engineseers talking about how much strain the plasma boilers can take
Top Gun hijinx while the attack craft pilots get fueled and ready on the flight deck
chain gangs hauling the torpedoes into the tubes
scarred and grizzled Breacher NCOs taking orders from a tween midshipman while preparing to repel boarders

SPACE IS NOW BATTLEFIELDS

[pulsar holly]

Don't forget some of the ships are so big they might as well be two cities stacked on top of each other, so you got families living within that might be involved in food production, or just...kinda finding ways to get by deep within the ship.

[uneven ember]

Yes!
40K ships are cities with broadside batteries. Just so much going on at so many levels every time they engage.

[finite compass]

I was thinking Eisenhorn

[runic swallow]

Yeah, Eisenhorn is probably one of the “easiest” entires to the setting

Also because it’s one of the novels that’s more straight up about how the imperium sucks and is hypocritical

[thin ibex]

i think eisenhorn shines a light on a less explored side of 40k in the tabletop

and is a real fun dive into like... a spy story kinda vibe

[rocky harness]

I think Eisenhorn works well if it a show made for existing fans, if they are going for a more entry level show I think there might. Be too much niche lore in those books.

[desert jay]

The Eisenhorn books were my intro to the franchise, I went in only knowing broad strokes stuff and thought they were pretty good

[finite compass]

Also Eisenhorn is more small scale

It's probably exponentially easier to costume and film guy in longcoat having swordfight with random bad guys than full-scale Space Marine battle sequence

[soft willow]

I mean Amazon has the cash to do whatever they want scale wise.

[still warren]

it's smaller scale but it's still like planetary invasion made up of non-euclidean cities

[floral herald]

+++999.999 M41.0+++
ABADDON HAS DESPOILED CADIA
ONLY THE IMPERIAL FLEET STAND STANDS BEFORE HIM
+++SPACE IS NOW THE BATTLEFIELD+++

[paper bluff]

THAT'S THE NAME I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF

[plucky token]

This is the plot summary for BFG Armada 2, tbh, haha

[polar crag]

Abaddon the Despoiler, he'll turn your cheese back into milk

[thin ibex]

the thing about eisenhorn is that the set pieces bite into the chunky lore of the setting, but a lot of the meat of it is recognizably plucky dudes doing heists or spy stuff, dressed in warhamme clothes

inquisitorial retinues are effectively just pirate crews or heist teams in terms of composition

[tired cairn]

It needs to be Eisenhorn so he can get a new model and come back from legends (because his combination of rules was hilarious)

[pulsar holly]

But what about Gaunt's Ghosts? The Tanith First-And-Fething-Only?

[thin ibex]

gaunts ghosts have all the makings of a classic war story dressed in warhammer clothes

could do formatting not dissimilar to BoB or The Pacific with it

but with a heftier scifi and warhammer overlay

[pulsar holly]

It also helps that those books were inspired by Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe series of novels.

Which did have an adaptation back in the day. (Sean Bean played Sharpe)

[uneven ember]

BRING 👏 BACK 👏 INQUISITOR 👏 54MM 👏

[paper bluff]

What about some one.... eisenhorn adjacent?

[soft willow]

Bequin or Ravenor?

[pale narwhal]

Someone on the inq28 subreddit has been posting 3d prints of 40k models brought up to 54mm scale and they look absolutely sick

[uneven ember]

oh wow yeah this rules

I do think it's very funny how the people making =][= were clearly spending a lot of time going "this is great, we can really take advantage of this scale to include all the gribbly gross Blanche details that just don't work in 28mm scale, like check out the arco-flagellant I made"

& then a couple years later James Workshop goes "people love the arco-flagellant, let's scale it down to 28mm"

[runic swallow]

Lmao yeah

Those inquisitor sculpts are marvelous though, my god

Always forget how good they are until I see em again

[uneven ember]

absolutely gorgeous

Even more than the rest of the product line from GW this was an art project with a ruleset attached

[paper bluff]

There was literally an inquisitor that was "totally not" a space marine. They should make a big inquisitor

[uneven ember]

The was an Inquisitor in power armor, and there was also a Deathwatch marine

there were also rules for Space Marine acid spit, maybe the first time I'd seen that

[paper bluff]

I could swear there was one that had a sheild that had space marine organs

[uneven ember]

maaaaaaybe?

[paper bluff]

Hector rex! That was the guy

[uneven ember]

ahhhh, nice

[pulsar cairn]

So

I have a question

Could a Drukhari get a soul stone and live in a craftworld?

[paper bluff]

..........in theory no

[pulsar cairn]

[paper bluff]

To kinda compare though, A borzoi and a dachshund can interbreed. But should they is the better

[pulsar cairn]

Is that because craft worlders wouldnt accept them or is it because they cant use soulstones?

[pulsar cairn]

[paper bluff]

Any eldar can use a soulstone

Exodites, harlequins, and dark eldar don't though

[uneven ember]

I think Exodites do

[pulsar cairn]

I see

[paper bluff]

They use "the world spirit" iirc

The planet is the soul stone

[pulsar cairn]

Harlequins accept drukhari too dont they?

[rocky shale]

Yes

[paper bluff]

All you have to do to become a harlequin is serve the laughing God

[pulsar cairn]

I see

So if you really wanted a change in life style you have a few options

[paper bluff]

That is the path of the wanderer so yes

[pastel rampart]

Deldar don't accept Harlequins so much as tolerate the clowns rolling in and making honking noises.

[paper bluff]

Oh! Other way around

[pastel rampart]

"Ugh they're back and they're juggling out in the street."

[pulsar cairn]

my favorite space elves are the corsairs honestly

[paper bluff]

From the rouge trader game is seems the deldar are also easily annoyed by harlequins because the clowns always know more than you

[pulsar cairn]

Imma go bed now thanks for the info friends

[rocky shale]

They are also terrifying even among aeldari

[pulsar cairn]

Gn!

[paper bluff]

Best of luck fox

[uneven ember]

iirc the planet gets used in place of the craftworld infinity circuit, they still need a soulstone to get to that point
Eldar dies, spirit goes in the stone, stone gets hoooked into the bespoke afterlife they made

night Fox

Harlequins go "skill issue, Laughing God's got my back"
DEldar go "skill issue, I will never die"

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1319318923501375579/20241219_061541.jpg?ex=676586ff&is=6764357f&hm=e0390462bea4940e90868ca73b4ead1c5c222abb7a8e581fd7de27bd647c581f&

[paper bluff]

Imagine if you knew all you all your gods were dead or shattered

Except one

[finite compass]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-bazinga-cegorach-clown-god-laughing-god-gif-19145031

[uneven ember]

I just seriously love the DEldar, just in how, like
ten thousand years on, every other Eldar faction is completely defined by the Fall, and how they try to cope with it and the mistakes their civilization did

& then the DEldar are hanging around in the universe's basement looking at the ruin of the civilization and the pantheon of the greatest empire in the galaxy's history and going "I'm built different"

[bright dove]

So this little talk has reminded me of something that perfectly represents the Dark Eldar.

https://youtu.be/8XLqWdGCaDs?si=WvxnjQ_ulb7lUmZB

The Dark Eldar have not moved on from the Fall. They look at it, and go "The only problem is that so many of us died."

But that's to hide the true terror

The utter torture that waits for them afterwards, that their entire society is scrabbling tooth and nail and blade and splinter to stave off.

"I'm built different" is a comfortable lie.

But the truth is that they're the exact same as the ones who caused the Fall.

[muted elm]

"damn a billion billion people died so lines go up and we keep living the high life"

[past sphinx]

i love cringe harlequins

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfc2GqUdwSU

[desert jay]

In other news, I've assigned fursonas to all the legions (originally within the context of "furry supersoldier AU")

[jaunty dawn]

ram is fun

[upper canopy]

Please keep the reasoning for the space wolf blank it's way funnier

[desert jay]

I'll change it to "vibes"

[mild glen]

Space Wolves being listed as "Vibes" is funnier is we leave "Names and themeing" as the reason for the Raven Guard.

[past sphinx]

Salamanders could just be salamanders

BATTLEBROTHER IN BADAB ERA COLORS

[polar crag]

For thousand sons, scarab works but I personally would go for jackal or falcon for the egypt vibes

I still think that Magnus and Horus should have their names swapped

[pulsar holly]

Picked up two books on audible

[glad spear]

Oops all tank?

OR OR, oops all driptide

[junior robin]

stormsurge knight-style army detachment?

[jaunty dawn]

oops

concession end of turn 2 cause we were both pretty tired and there was like 4 pathfinders left

i thinkkk main thing is overextension and a pretty bad map for pathfinders

was layout 2 and I had the sniper nest

aquilons were really fun but damn is playing a new faction in this game so much energy

[floral herald]

Complicated or what?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

oh shit oops, had one too many people

[glad spear]

Time to pull up with the bug boys for the greater good

[jaunty dawn]

wouldnt have changed anything really

[glad spear]

(I do really want to try kill team, I just have to find time for it)

[jaunty dawn]

its very fun

[glad spear]

I've heard yeah, and the teams look cool

[floral herald]

It’s fun yeah

[glad spear]

But I'm also a tau player so I have a lot of options which is neat

[floral herald]

There’s good TTS support if you’re interested in that

Yeah Tau have 3 teams which is pretty good

[glad spear]

Sick

[floral herald]

Technically more than space marines do right now haha

Err

The same number I should say

The Tau ones are neat too

Vespid are… weird but have pretty nasty shooting

[glad spear]

Astartes are basic anyway

[floral herald]

Kroot are a technical sneaky team with some good damage now

[glad spear]

I was reading into Vespid rules, they look pretty silly

And very different, I like it

[floral herald]

Pathfinders are… a little weird now because they were monsters last edition

Some of their mechanics got hit so now they’re just kind of a team with good guns

[jaunty dawn]

very scary guns

[floral herald]

Yeah

I can see Volkus being tricky for them since there’s tons of heavy cover to advance under

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

recon sweep is still very good though

and their like. 5th strategic ploy 'do a mission action at the start of the firefight phase'

blooded and marksman can be pretty scary throwing out silent shots, with the blooded able to like move markerlight shoot during the art of war turn

[glad spear]

I love guns

[floral herald]

Pathfinders are a good team for gun likers

Though there’s a good number of good shoots teams

I like a lot of the melee teams though

[pulsar cairn]

Penny vs

[jaunty dawn]

hehe ye

[mild glen]

I hope very much for an Armoured Interdiction Cadre rule

I am hopelessly imagining a strat that gives Hammerheads an anti-Keyword rule so it can bypass invluns.

[spice flicker]

If I wanted to do a command and conquer proxy army using 40k models, which faction might be best for the different armies? My initial thought was Tau for tibierum wars/Tiberium Sun GDI and genestealers from the Brotherhood of Nod but what do you think?

[glad spear]

New blood angels detachment today

[rocky shale]

Definitely tau though they're a little mech heavy

[spice flicker]

I mean in tiverium sun the tank equivalent was the titan walker

[rocky shale]

Gsc is a little ramshackle for nod, maybe a cultist heavy csm list?

[past sphinx]

Nod literally armor things with wood

[spice flicker]

Bikes, buggies, and brood brother tanks

[rocky shale]

Oh true brood brothers

I mostly played c&c3 so I'm picturing some of thier fancier stuff

[spice flicker]

Falchion for space marines would be perfect for a mammoth tank (and in lore is even called the mammoth tank sometimes) though the rogal dorn might also pass for a workable mammoth now.

Also space marines already have a predator tank

[past sphinx]

Yeah c&c1 nod was way more low tech

[spice flicker]

Soviets would definitely be guard

[finite compass]

(Best C&C is Tiberian Sun and I will die on this hill)

Though I have no idea what faction would map to TS Nod

GDI is definitely Tau

Nod might actually be Eldar

Lots of deep striking and super-specialized units

For Deep Cut Lore

Forgotten are GSC, CABAL is Necrons

Generals is easiest

GLA - GSC

USA - Space Marines

China - Guard

[tired cairn]

Nod is GSC lore matching wise. But yeah, GSC doesn't have the high/low tech split

[finite compass]

Nod didn't have the high-tech/low tech split either

Until 3

[tired cairn]

They had stealth tanks and giant lasers in the first game

[finite compass]

I mean more the whole low-tech terrorist organization thing wasn't really there

They were always a stateless superpower with a lot of high technology

[spice flicker]

Hammerhead=predator tank (with railgun upgrade)
Crisis suits=zone troopers
Pathfinders=snipers
Ghostkeel=wolverines
Riptide=titan
Barracuda/tigershark=Orca or some other aircraft
Devilfish=APC

[finite compass]

I have...Opinions about C&C 3 and what it did to the lore. >_>

But not the channel for it

TS Nod is like...From Tier 1 you had shit like lasers, cyborgs, and subterranean deployment

[spice flicker]

If you replacd cyborgs with mutants than gsc might fit some of that.

[tired cairn]

I was thinking the first game where they did terrorism and also had secret high tech. Fair at the second game them being more high-tech

[finite compass]

I meant more TD was less 'mobs of militants' and more 'actually has modern military hardware'

Lore-wise Nod had thoroughly infiltrated the western Military Industrial Complex

Which is why they had Bradleys and Apaches and the like

[spice flicker]

Maybe CSM with a focus on cultists? Bring in some decimators from legends, knights or war dog karnivores to replicate the avatar units from cnc3 possibly. Not really any light tanks as an option though except the predators.

[finite compass]

oh hey, look what I found

[spice flicker]

Awesome

[past sphinx]

The brass scorpion comes with some free dudes

[solemn gull]

Good view

[pulsar cairn]

They look like the star wars Nimbus commandos

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/JosephF62710202/status/1870096370461475154

[floral herald]

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/recruiting-creative-lead

In case you wanna shoot your shot

[rocky shale]

"My only goal is to progress the ynnari plot"

[floral herald]

Real

[rocky shale]

Resume is blank except for #freeIsha

[solemn gull]

I hope things get worse

[pulsar cairn]

btw

imperial navy usually avoids fucking with a craft world right?

if so i imagine is out of fear

[soft willow]

I mean more because the Eldar ships keep it safe than because the Imperial Navy wouldn't try.

[pulsar cairn]

I see

So safe distance

[soft willow]

Safe distance, hard to detect, bunch of Farseers working out a path that convienently misses conflict where they can.

[thin ibex]

hard to catch, hard to beat, generally not worth the commitment it takes to focus on one

is a craftworld bigger or smaller than the phalanx?

[uneven ember]

Bigger.

Given some allowances for 40K being absolute nonsense and wildly inconsistent in terms of scope and scale but Phalanx is "absurdly oversized space craft" and a Craftworld is, well, "we built a planet.'

[tired cairn]

It is a world that was crafted

[valid brook]

holy shit I remember those

Definitely saw the WIP thread on Warseer circa 200 uhhh 8 maybe

damn what’s up with that inexorable march of time huh folks

[uneven ember]

Freakin sweet

[paper bluff]

The phallax was built around a moon iirc

[mild glen]

Hey, we have a standard-bearer Bloodletter here that tips over at the slightest provocation.
What's the solution? Just weights on/under the base (possibly in the form of a magnet)

[tired cairn]

That could help. I bought tin fishing weights and smashed them down to fit in a base for my hormagaunts (some people use lead ones but those scare me. Or use pennies but we don't have those in Canada anymore lol).

[paper bluff]

Use a loonie

[paper bluff]

What's making your models 1 dollar more expensive fr

[spice flicker]

So half the players in my crusade are obsessed with a map that actually has a waffle house in the middle of it. This is their latest mad creation that stemmed from their obsession that I have heard about. I reluctantly present the Waffle Throne.

[uneven ember]

fully 17% more violent than the 21st century Waffle House

[spice flicker]

Only 17% is surprising for 40k

Half the battles so far in the crusade have been over waffle house because either they like the map that much or are too lazy to find more.

[uneven ember]

(it's a joke about how fighty non-40K Waffle House already is)

(17% is a funny percentage because it's high enough to seem specific while still being comically low in context)

[crisp lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijeEC2_Af_8

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-cat-huh-cat-what-cat-wat-huh-cat-gif-8243384881992426931

wait the what ?

[pale narwhal]

Yeah mossa is… not a great person

[crisp lance]

https://tenor.com/view/emotions-reactions-i-regret-this-decision-gif-7774943

i just thought it was cute

[pale narwhal]

It is. Sadly the artist is questionable. Good thing is that their work has inspired better people to do various abhuman art

[onyx elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijeEC2_Af_8

[meager quail]

Look, there's a cross-section of 40k fans who have wanted to see humans and eldar kiss for the entire duration of their awareness of the franchise and now we finally have a lead-in and we're not going to waste it you hear me

[pulsar cairn]

cant you kiss an eldar in rogue trader?

[alpine wing]

someone in another server I'm in posted pictures of an eldar Lynx with this on it

also handsome Gelt

[meager quail]

You can have a 100% ace romance with an eldar in Rogue Trader

(It's a very good romance too)

[pulsar cairn]

neat

[meager quail]

(Yrliet is kind of weirded out by the idea of intimate physical contact with a human and if you can't respect that you can go meditate in the same room as someone else)

[pulsar cairn]

i saw some of her dialogue

[desert jay]

Oh hey the Tau grotmas detachment is out

[pulsar cairn]

honestly i thought she was very mean, i heard even the drukkhari is nicer to you

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/articles/ihneckkh/grotmas-calendar-day-21-it-takes-all-sorts/

Look, it's another Kroot detachment!

[pulsar cairn]

kroot?

yaaaay

[desert jay]

(||Technically it's for all Auxiliaries. Which is Kroot and Vespid. No, no Gue'vesa||)

[brittle salmon]

It's less about Kroot and more of a Combined Arms detachment

[desert jay]

Yeah

They also still don't get FTGG

Except via one enhancement

[jaunty dawn]

kroot....TWOOOO

[desert jay]

My personal opinion after reading it is that it might be good but isn't especially exciting. Combined arms detachments have a history of being fiddly and the strats are pretty run-of-the-mill

[jaunty dawn]

its not really that different from hunting pack tbh

like in detail kinda yes but in general kroot + tau is already how hunting pack is played

[desert jay]

Yeah that's the other part, it's a similar list-build except now you can use Vespid too

[jaunty dawn]

(also personally couldn't care less auxiliaries dont get ftgg??)

[desert jay]

I remember it being a fairly common complaint

[pulsar cairn]

what's ftgg?

[jaunty dawn]

it is

[desert jay]

For The Greater Good, the Tau 10e Army Rule

[jaunty dawn]

i just dont really think its that big a deal

especially since the auxiliaries have pretty great base profiles

and the two are like. probably related lol

[desert jay]

Ye there's obviously adjustment for the lack of an army rule

B/c all the units are still good without it

[jaunty dawn]

and also i feel like ppl complain about the restrictions of ftgg all the time so its not even a strict upside

[desert jay]

It's not like TSons where everyone is taking as few non-Cabal units as possible

B/c more cabal points -> more stuff you can do

[tired cairn]

People didn't like it for admech (though there were a lot of issues with that codex). I think people get annoyed by army rules that don't apply to significant parts of the army

[thin ibex]

I feel like most people play hunting pack as pure kroot in casuals

[glad spear]

Target triangulation is a little near I guess

I also like how you can deep strike 60 farstalkers for 15 points

And then drop a suit on them

Along with the stealth field, helps with not having your aux shot off the board kinda

I think it's cool, lets you use more kroot models and Vespid left out of the hunting pack

May not use it as much but cool

[mental birch]

Pure kroot is good

ahhaha

or at least playable

[pulsar cairn]

if kroot eat enough space marines

would the results be different depending if there was a majority of the geneseed of a specific primarch?

[paper bluff]

In theory yes

[thin ibex]

pure kroot is usually not super killy but they can get on and then hold points like a mfer

[floral herald]

Despite the frequent use of terms like “gene forged” when describing space marines they aren’t really genetically altered

So there’s not much notable to eat for kroot except maybe the progenoids

Maybe some of the implanted organs could be replicated ?

[desert jay]

I think all the implanted organs would be fun and tasty to them

[floral herald]

Yeah there’s definitely some stuff there

[pulsar cairn]

yum

I thought the geneseed looked like an organ tho

But fair

I like kroot

[past sphinx]

Geneseed is stored in balls

But not those

Space marines also have a baseline rate of mutation and things going screwy and kroot really avoid anything that might send a group into a weird offshoot from something like that

[solemn gull]

Also I think space marine organs might not be the most tasty. Like eating a fish you caught in an industrial run off river.

[tired cairn]

You get a larger-than-normal bonus for eating space marines as a Kroot in Wrath and Glory

[dense sedge]

I wonder how drukhari taste to kroot

[thin ibex]

bitter

[dense sedge]

And probably super saturated in drugs

[glad spear]

Kroot love eating things but they have shapers to help figure out if it's useful

There's a couple things they don't eat, like anything warp tainted like chaos or Drukhari, necrons, Nids, but it usually takes at least a generation of eating for big evolutionary steps to go through

It could be faster but usually they avoid it so they don't become like kroot hounds or their mounts, which all used to be kroot who ate themselves into an evolutionary dead end

[solemn gull]

Who paints all the chaos warriors armour

Is it like some slanessh paint cult/demon or do all the warbands just have “that artistic guy”

[glass totem]

khornate paint cult for the world eaters
its just blood (tm)

[floral herald]

They paint them at the gym

[glass totem]

death guard 100% get nurglings to do it

[rocky shale]

Death guard just have moldy armor

[glass totem]

also very true

[past sphinx]

Cultists usually

[bright dove]

Well we are obviously, unless you don't paint your minis

[tired cairn]

This will be my excuse if I ever paint Deathguard models and it's really bad

[solemn gull]

I kind of hate how deathguard have just become a flat green colour, nurgle should be vibrant

[bright dove]

Go to the Maggotkin in AoS

[thin ibex]

There's something really funny to me about the idea of "The Chapter Weight Room"

Where marines just pump iron

[uneven ember]

isn't that just the entire Fortress Monastery

Astartes call each other "Brother" all the time which is, fundamentally, just a fancy way of calling each other "Bro"

[thin ibex]

I generally imagine a lot of marine training was task specific rather than muscle training, but an anointed weight room is amusing to me

[solemn gull]

Headcanoning that they just take the power pack out of a marine’s armour and have them try to fulfill normal tasks as strength training

[uneven ember]

"Sick gains, Brother."
"My Brother, would you trust me to spot you?"
"In this as in all things, Brother."

[glass totem]

chaos marines don't spot each other, very unsafe

[solemn gull]

Tzeenchian plotting to re-write lower weights on all the plates so the chief sorcerer crushes himself

[mild glen]

Kroot Combined Arms seems... interesting. Not sure how it's supposed to work with vehicles?
Like.. do I pair rampagers as a Vanguard for my Hammerhead, or a static Carnivores security force? Does my hammerhead even care is there's Kroot nearby? AP-6 is ridiculously silly.
The strategems seem great, though.

[tired cairn]

AP-6 means they will need both cover and an AoC rule if they have a 2+. AP-7 means they never get one

[mild glen]

Railgun has a AP-5 naturally

And it's ridiculously easy to get [Ignores Cover] on T'au

[tired cairn]

Oh right. FtGG gives you that right?

[mild glen]

If the Observer has [Markerlight] (most do)

[mild glen]

My wife, who was standing next to me when I purchased Be'lakor for her for Christmas, was very passionately pleading with me to get her Be'lakor today at the Warhammer store

Despite Be'lakor sitting, unwrapped, on the kitchen table in plain sight for a week.

Chaos Gods bless this woman's terrible memory

[glass totem]

clearly she was ensorcelled by Tzeentch (games workshop) to buy more plastic

[mild glen]

She purchased different plastic instead

(A bloodmaster and da 2024 red gobbo)

[paper bluff]

have you considered that maybe 2 bel'akor is better than one?

[mild glen]

Be'lakor kissin' the homies (another Be'lakor) 4k.

[mental birch]

I@m constantly surprised

how durable 20 carnivores is

[thin ibex]

ALSO rampagers sometimes hit like heckin trucks

[pulsar holly]

Time to get her a Chaos Primarch

[mild glen]

She was also eyeing Angron. (Or, more accurately, his sword)

[pulsar holly]

Time to get the Angron mini.
Still not sure which I like better, Mortarion or Angron.

[past sphinx]

angron is weirdly small

dudes all hunched over

[mild glen]

This woman is astoundingly Khorne-pilled for someone that refuses to learn the lore for reasons unknown.

[desert jay]

The posture of a millenial

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/articles/tjehzahn/grotmas-calendar-day-22-a-grotmas-message-of-pure-unbridled-hatred/

[jaunty dawn]

hmm

feels like a chaplain thing would've been more interesting than just start of round

[thin ibex]

i went back to it, and honestly, i really like the tau combined arms detach

i dont think it'll be big competetive

[tired cairn]

Is it combined arms because you are combining so many different species' limbs?

[thin ibex]

but bonus AP in general is pretty strong

naaah

its combined arms because it has benefits for bringing both mainline tau and auxiliary units

meaning kroot and vespid

[tired cairn]

Yeah, so you have a lot of different species' limbs involved 😛

[thin ibex]

i dont think railguns need the bonus AP, but high yield missile pods would probably love it, ion cannons would like it a bit

[tired cairn]

Also regular guns

[thin ibex]

and yeah all the regular guns in your arsenal

like pulse carbines and rifles, burst cannons, smart missiles etc

1 extra AP can make a huge difference

[tired cairn]

It's just funny to have such an absurd AP for a rail gun

[thin ibex]

"if you dont have an invuln, GEEEETTTOUTTA HERE"

[dense sedge]

So custodes will be Christmas Eve then

I wonder what the 25th will be then

[thin ibex]

you know whats kinda on my wishlist

in general

[junior robin]

HH admech rules?

[thin ibex]

itd be cool if special rules for squads rested on the squad leader

and that precision let you target sergeants

but i feel like its not balanced for that atm

just think sergeants being more significant would be cool

[mild glen]

Custodes got theirs pretty early on. It's space wolves on the 24th

[desert jay]

Yeah they got a vehicle detachment of all things, but if you like their dreads it probably fucks

[pulsar cairn]

space wolves on the 24th? wowie

[mild glen]

I'm also looking at the T'au aux detachment. It looks like there's a fun army in there.
I'm imagining Skyrays and Sunforges with a Krootox vanguard...

Space Vikings with their Space Santa Claus chapter master on Christmas eve? It does seem suspect, I know.

[pulsar cairn]

Bringing gifts to all well behaved wolf cubs

[mild glen]

(The gift is a chain axe)

[dense sedge]

Completely forgot that

[glad spear]

Me when I drop 60 farstalkers and 4 crisis suits in your backlinen

[plucky token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226017250897821726/1320183190912110694/9tbdtgosu98e1.png?ex=676954a8&is=67680328&hm=85fdcd9ec35ababcb62fd4aef90e41c002c10f74133e9d9306cd18448d5c9192&

[jagged dawn]

Turns out there’s a warhammer shop half an hour from us that hosts game

We may finally get to play 🍀

[pulsar holly]

Sometimes I wonder if I might get more into Necromunda than the other 40k wargames

If I did, I'm horribly torn between the Malstrain Genestealer Cults, Ironhead Squats, or Corpse-Grinder Cult

[past sphinx]

Munda is sick as hell but CGC's are just about the worst gang to start with

They got a whole thing going on thats basically leaning into playing like a jackass

Not always in a bad way but you can't get a good understanding of the core with them

[runic swallow]

How do you play like a jackass?

Like, in this context

[past sphinx]

You are rewarded for Basically be lining out into the oignoring any and all cover obstacles or tactical adv and simply pounding things

Falsehoods means that your few shooting units can advance up the board without being able to be shot at for 2 turns

And the butchers masks make actually shootin melee threats a leadership gamble u less you stack nades and flamers

In short very strong gimmick very strong models but ultimately still just a single gimmick and a game that is very multifaceted And a single gimmick is just going to teach you how to play poorly in 90% of other circumstances

[vital owl]

By https://x.com/PatsoCatso

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dumping loads of sketchbook pages here all day long

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[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2uhqbf7l/grotmas-calendar-day-23-eat-drink-and-be-furious/

Weaters out, woofs confirmed last

Pick a couple guys each round, they (and their unit) get a bonus blessing for free

[jaunty dawn]

started building some farstalkers and the alt/generic warrior builds are so cool

just lots of nice poses

reloading guy, grenade guy, etc

the stalker model is also really nice. crouching sneaky guy

made the kill broker with a carbine

oh! another thing; alt build for the kroot with the bow gun has a chainsword on their back instead of the quiver

[cinder wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/miwa-miwapeito-lethercook-cooking-somul-gif-8432641966210451626

ok this detachment is what i needed tbh

reminds me of 9th edition rules which i actually like

[jaunty dawn]

world eaters original detachment rule was really simple iirc?

thats cool!

[cinder wraith]

yes but shouldve been an army rule in addition

to blessings

[jaunty dawn]

mm

oh I like that this hooks into the blessings

[cinder wraith]

yes

[desert jay]

Yeah it looks both fun and really solid

Especially because people were using blessings to do specific combos with specific units… now you can just target 3 units with one blessing guaranteed

Especially if it was like a 3 blessing jackpot combo, only needing to roll 2 out of 3 because you can just pick the third? Adds a lot of reliability

[jaunty dawn]

oh!!!! new kill teams are on the app

gw is wild

kill team having freely available team rules even as they release new stuff is awesome! and yet for the core rules you only get the quickstart lmao

which is a reference at best

oh huh, just realised wrecka points are basically rending

just you get to bank the crit if needed, etc

ooh extra armour equip is neat. team wide plus 1 wound but minus 1" move

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s so strange

[jaunty dawn]

dog

ratling operative selection is a little confusing

aiui theyre effectively a 14 model kill team, with the bonus for being models short

ogryns cost two models

but then the weird thing is

you cant actually take 14 models

so if you dont take ogryns you have to take the free strats instead

[floral herald]

Oh that is weird

[past sphinx]

Peak scrungos yet again

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/Kl3ev/2f1405d1c9.jpg

[jaunty dawn]

holy shit

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-dance-jam-boombox-music-gif-16092088

[jaunty dawn]

finger reader

thats really cool

not super into the skull masks on the frateris

but I think thats partially the paintjob tbh

not sure metal skulls work

this is quite nice

[misty violet]

Something about them is goofy in a good way to me, like they do look silly but for these models that feels on tone

[jaunty dawn]

fair!

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-alright-its-alright-alright-gif-26702701

[paper bluff]

Yooooooo. Who is this?

[paper bluff]

Follow up with that detachment. Iirc, there's only one mounted world eaters model. And the WE sticky objective is so-so. I always read it that you kill a model on it, you have it. Unless it's you have it until they out OC the unit that you captured it

[tired cairn]

It's the same as all sticky objectives: it's yours until your opponent out-OCs you (so if you leave the objective, they only need OC 1 to take it back)

[past sphinx]

Jehova's witnesses

Door knocking the underdark

[tired cairn]

It's not as good as normal sticky but it's pretty thematic

[paper bluff]

That's not a new strategy then

[tired cairn]

I think Khorne demons got the same thing. But otherwise the specifics are new to grotmas?

It's funny that Epic Heros can't be vessels of wrath in this detachment. This one is only for nameless characters

[paper bluff]

Again so funny it calls out a mounted we models when there is only one

[tired cairn]

Future proofing

[paper bluff]

It would be really funny if they releases the WE on juggernaut unit before codex

You can make the not lord innvocatus mounted Berzerker

I have not seen anyone run them

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

easier to just say mounted than invocatus and lord

[floral herald]

Hey wait a second fellas

[jaunty dawn]

or not just not letting you use the stratagem with them cause theyre not infantry

[floral herald]

This is just 3e AACNMTO

👀

[tired cairn]

What is that acronym supposed to be?

[paper bluff]

What the hell is that acronym

[floral herald]

Accept Any Challenge No Matter The Odds

[jaunty dawn]

oh blood surge isnt new

[floral herald]

It was the Vow Black Templar players used 99% of the time in 3e

[jaunty dawn]

the strat is letting you do it with non berserkers

(or better with berserkers)

[tired cairn]

World Eaters need a strategem, Carnifexen and endless horde gaunts do it naturally

[paper bluff]

This one right here was NEEDED

[floral herald]

Might have been a BT army rule it’s been a while

It’s the one where they “fell forward” on passed LD checks but had to check on every casualty

[tired cairn]

They got rid of multiple surge moves. No more zipping hilariously far up the board when your opponent shoots you

[tired cairn]

This mostly worked in combination with ATSKNF right?

[jaunty dawn]

berserkers always get it

[paper bluff]

Why are we these acronyms

[tired cairn]

True

[jaunty dawn]

strat lets you do it with anything

[floral herald]

That helped but high LD characters helped more

[tired cairn]

Because "and they shall know no fear" is really long. Though that was space marine wide and more common

[floral herald]

This was space marines for like 10 years haha

[jaunty dawn]

know no fear means they regroup after they fall back forwards

[floral herald]

That’s why all the old 40K forums have highlighted definitions for common acronyms

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/that-behavior-is-detestable-gill-engvid-i-find-that-behavior-distasteful-learn-english-with-gill-gif-17033345397205695679

[tired cairn]

I'm surprised it isn't a rule somewhere in 10th

[floral herald]

SOTWB was another one which came up a lot

(Saga of the Warrior Born)

[tired cairn]

Do loyalist marines have slightly higher ld on average than CSM?

[floral herald]

I think it’s about the same now

Or a slight edge for CSM

[tired cairn]

That's kind of funny

I guess Primaris know fear

[floral herald]

It’s kinda canonical yeah

Primaris were originally relatively green/inexperienced space marines using untested (but good) weapons with ancient docrines

And “modern” space marines while often decayed or degenerated in terms of gene-seed are held to a comically high and wasteful standard

[tired cairn]

Got to see if your new recruits will survive a pointless surgery done with rusty tools and without antibiotics

[floral herald]

Yeah

Back in the heresy days you’d use proper sterile techniques and get slightly less deranged and hardcore astartes

But also not kill like 500 little boys in the process

[tired cairn]

How did it get there. Was it the chapter number cap?

[floral herald]

I think that was a factor but it’s I think more the ascendancy of chapter cults and the replacement of rationality with superstition and ritual

Making space marines as strong as possible is an ritualistic end unto itself now

But also if you only get 1000 fellas there is an incentive for the 1000 fellas to be as dangerous as possible for sure

[paper bluff]

So we can divide space marines into 3 times. Legion, Chapter and Primaris chapter

I think the moral of chaper and primaris is higher than legion marines

[cinder wraith]

Legio Chapter Primus Sanctioned Chapter Primaris Legiones

imagine that as an astartes chapter lol

[desert jay]

Also you ever think about the fact that with the aspirant process taking a decade, you have to plan your replacements a while out?

[paper bluff]

Primaris legions was a thing with gman and the unnumbered sons

If you're the black templars you're always recruiting

[desert jay]

It sounds like it would be very easy to overshoot that 1000 limit just by the chapter getting involved in less battles than expected or too many aspirants surviving in a given class

[floral herald]

The codex allows for that - the scout company is permitted to the overstrength

But also I think the expectation is that you juice the reserve companies and enter a crusade if you want up overstrength

Idk if it would be demoralizing to learn that the Red Consuls just started supporting you because they were over strength from an actuarial issue and needed to go to war now lol

[pastel rampart]

Or if you're the space wolves you just don't tell anyone and if someone comes around asking, they disappear into the cold wilderness.

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/marshawn-lynch-interview-im-here-so-i-wont-get-fined-football-player-seattle-seahawks-gif-16070180

[desert jay]

Homebrew chapter where the scout company is twenty thousand plus mostly-cooked supersoldiers waiting for promotions as slots open up

They keep sending them on minor crusades but they keep abusing Lanchester’s laws when you apply 20000 soldiers to a 1000 soldier problem and not enough are dying

[paper bluff]

That is basically the brothhood of a thousand

There is ALWAYS 1000 marines with them

[floral herald]

I think those guys might be cooking their books

[past sphinx]

BROTHER WE HAVE NOT SUSTAINED ENOUGH CASUALTIES WE MUST CRUSADE HEADLONG INTO BOLTERFIRE

Peak

Perfection

[pulsar cairn]

i wanna know where the vashtor story will go

[paper bluff]

To the forge of souls and perty

[pulsar cairn]

Peter turbo

[paper bluff]

I would bet peter is basically a daemon prince of vashtorr

Rather than undivided

A daemon prince of "chaos undivided" empowered by vashtorr rather than the 4

If he's just lead engineer at the forge of souls, designing and making daemon engines, I think Pert might be living his best life

[floral herald]

I think the current direction the lore is going in is that Perturabo rolled his own daemonic ascension

But it’s all pretty vague

[paper bluff]

Making a contract with vashtorr would be a way to do it or maybe even funnier, Vashtorr was a weak thing and peter pumped him up

[pulsar cairn]

while he might be better off now than back in the heresy

i think it's hard for him to find happiness

as he really did not want to make war .3.

back when he was a lad that is

[paper bluff]

Ah but I have to bring up a point from this book. "When given the materials, you could have made anything, what you chose to make was a sword"

[pulsar cairn]

who said that to him again?

[paper bluff]

I might be paraphrasing the exact words.. It was either his sister or dad

I'd bet sister

[pulsar cairn]

might have been

his sister really liked him right?

[paper bluff]

eeeeeeeeh it's complicated

Calliope did care about him but hated his ego. Perty, like Cruze, knew what he was always

And the emperor in his hubris, thought Perty was be exactly what he designed him to be and treated him as such. But perty was 95% exactly what he was designed to be

I'm in the Peter did everything right camp

[pulsar cairn]

[paper bluff]

The meme is "magnus did nothing wrong"

Peter was kinda like a mekboy

[paper bluff]

He had info built in

[runic swallow]

Was he the one who constantly felt the Eye of Terror looking at him?

Or was that someone else

[pulsar cairn]

Everytime he closed his eyes he would see the eye of terror i think

[uneven ember]

That was Pete, yeah

[past sphinx]

Given both morty and conrad had the whole "death to tyrants" thing going its interesting one went the way they did

[mild glen]

Wife has asked me several times why there aren't any cool demon models with cool bows and I don't know how to tell her that space game people think bows are dumb (they're wrong)

[jaunty dawn]

theres uh

tzaangor skyfires

beastmen not demons but yeah

[mild glen]

"But if he 'cares not from where the blood flows', then why can't it flow from 100 yards that way?" style questions.

[jaunty dawn]

hehe yeah

[mild glen]

"I want to stab that man, but I don't want to walk. Khorne should love bows!"

[jaunty dawn]

sybarites has really nice bows but they're mortals :( some of them are riding slaanesh beasts

[floral herald]

Real shit

[mild glen]

They're also Slaaneshi.

[jaunty dawn]

tbf khorne is pretty into guns

[floral herald]

Realer

[jaunty dawn]

skull cannon etc

[tired cairn]

Is that a comically large plasma cannon?

[floral herald]

I think it’s a normal plasma cannon

But it’s very huge yeah

[jaunty dawn]

just space marines have gotten bigger since

[mild glen]

Right right. Those are guns. Yup. She's talking specifically about bows (Because bows are cool)

[tired cairn]

Had to make bigger space marines to fit the plasma cannons they made

[jaunty dawn]

no I get that haha

[floral herald]

I do think it’s weird that there’s no daemons with bows

[jaunty dawn]

i just mean for khorne specifically I dont think theyd have bows because they already have guns

but kinda an underappreciated aspect of khorne lately. same with world eaters

[mild glen]

I was relating the new Khorne detacment to her and she did a mad grin at "Oh! Your guys have grenades now. Except they're exploding skulls that are on fire because they're a heavy metal album cover"

[jaunty dawn]

oh weird skyfires arent listed on the webstore

but the enlightened are. its the same box

little baby screamers on one of them 🥺

[mild glen]

Those guys are kinda cool, I'll admit.

[past sphinx]

Goes hard as fuck

Impeccable drip

[floral herald]

These guys are such assholes in Space Marine 2 haha

[floral herald]

Yeah

I was hoping to get something like em for Weaters

[runic swallow]

I don’t need servos and muscle fibers, I just need THESE GUNS

[runic swallow]

Wait they added in Tzangors on discs?

[paper bluff]

They always have been a metal album

https://youtu.be/NT9RU4aGoN8?si=4phE8ZXx_ngOqQcw

[floral herald]

Yeah and they have some wild moves haha

[runic swallow]

Huh, I need to play it some more

Was this in the PVE stuff or threw em into the campaign?

The PvE stuff is quite fun

[mild glen]

Probably an issue of tone not translating well through text.
I am well aware.

[floral herald]

Pve idk if they’re in the campaign spawns

[runic swallow]

Have they added any more missions after the Bio-Titan one?

[pulsar holly]

Reading the Absolvers supplement for Wrath & Glory. Guess we can add another Blood Angels successor chapter to the list of successors with shit luck with their gene-seed flaws

[pulsar holly]

The co-op pve stuff, yeah

[dense idol]

had my second game of kill team today

hierotek circle (me) vs. tempestus aquilons (them)

we didn't even add up the vp because it was a complete necron sweep in all three ops

but we went to round four before collectively recognising the complete stomp, which was better than last time where it happened after two

there were funny moments

like how the despotek was one of the only units on my side to take any damage, and stayed stubbornly alive for the entire game through resurrections and canoptek repairs whilst camping the middle objective

or when a precursor had a fist fight with a deathmark (with methodical elimination and tesla weave active) and came out of it with 1hp from almost full health

[past sphinx]

No more rattle and shake shoebox transportation

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah.

[orchid venture]

almost! done!

[pastel rampart]

The boys in blue.

[tired cairn]

Did you paint the heraldry(?) on?

[orchid venture]

they're transfers, though i freehanded the chequerboard

[jaunty dawn]

space marines

[uneven ember]

As God Intended

[dense idol]

question for kill team big-brains:

as tempestus aquilons, how do you defeat hierotek circle?

my opponent is gradually getting less curb-stomped each game and i want to eventually bring about the day where i can lose a match and have a "the student has become the master" moment

[floral herald]

It’s rough rn ngl

Heirotek is extremely S-tier and Aquilons, like a lot of teams, struggle to kill them

The default advice applies of bring as much firepower as you can and play carefully - your goal as Aquilons is to use your superior numbers and mobility to score your secondary hard while limiting engagements to favorable shootouts/melee

But you’re up against a team which is insanely hard to kill and has strong firepower so it’ll be hard to stop them from enforcing their own game plan

[rocky shale]

Heirotek also just has bad melee in general

Not that aquilions is much better

[floral herald]

Also Plant Beacon is probably your best tacop for Aquilons

Vertical distance counts for beacon distance!

It’s kind of free to drop troops onto high vantages for beacons

[jaunty dawn]

wait does it

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s just 6” period

[jaunty dawn]

i think you only ever measure vertical if a model is involved

[floral herald]

So teams like Aquilons and Vespid and such can exploit easy access to heights for beacons

[jaunty dawn]

i guess idk how that works with tokens though

fair enough

[floral herald]

I… think that’s how it works anyway

I’m kinda parroting someone who plays Aquilons more

[jaunty dawn]

fair fair

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s not a bad way to fight them

Knives seem like good equipment against them

[rocky shale]

Oh no, I bought a friend heirotek circle to get them into kt

I'm doomed

[floral herald]

Could be worse could be Warpcoven haha

[rocky shale]

Lol yeah

[floral herald]

And it’s not impossible to beat them they’re just very good rn

[rocky shale]

Luckily I don't know any tsons fans

I like tsons in theory just not in execution

[floral herald]

Honestly Space Marine 2 kinda woke me up to em

I might get some as mix ins for my CSM

Eventually

[rocky shale]

I like the vibes but I dislike how thier current mechanics force you to spam characters for max cabal points

[jaunty dawn]

i have

uh

fuck I always forget their names

cypher lords

[rocky shale]

I imagine it would have been more fun in an edition with more customization and a psychic phase

[dense idol]

this doesn't line up with my experience

mainly for the strategic ploy that gives all hierotek melee weapons accurate 1, or accurate 2 if they're defending/moved less than 3" before attacking

[jaunty dawn]

and imma use them as tzaangors

tesla weave is annoying too

[dense idol]

obviously not standing up to dedicated groups of melee attackers, but give very reliable counterplay to being fought

especially with tesla weave

[rocky shale]

Yeah they're like better than dedicated ranged units of other teams but don't stand up to real melee units

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s more “fold to dedicate melee” than “very bad”

But Aquilons have 1.5 melee models

[rocky shale]

Yeah it doesn't help for that matchup

[floral herald]

My first team and one I still love is Legionaries but Aquilons just don’t have access to those kinds of melee freaks

[dense idol]

he also seemed very underwhelmed by the capstone team gimmick of the drop deployment

he flat-out thinks it's a worse idea than just deploying the whole team on the ground

[rocky shale]

Then aquilions is probably not a good choice of team lmao

[dense idol]

which wasn't helped by the persistent confusion over how it actually works

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s pretty good but it sounds like that team might not be his speed

Though I think there are situations where oops all grounded is good

[dense idol]

this compounded on persistent confusion over line of sight and cover rules through both matches from both of us

which is a universal kill team experience i think

[floral herald]

Yeah super common unless you’re melee v melee

[finite compass]

2e Paint Schemes My Unironic Beloved

[solemn gull]

I will never be able to set my soul at peace between blanchitsu and classic 2e painting styles

Zorn palette vs goblin green based

[mild glen]

Dammit. The more I think about the new T'au aux detachment, the more I find myself lovingly looking at some Krootox Riders...

[thin ibex]

Do you think the might lords and drukhari forever chase the torturous power of Rogal Dorn's pocket book of jokes, and forever fall short?

[mild glen]

Less than 100 pages in, so far enjoying Elemental Council

Enjoying the occasional humour.

Water Caste Guy is my favorite right now

[solemn gull]

What was the last big event in the timeline?

[onyx elm]

I think it was the Cicitrix Malidictum and the return of Guilliman?

[thin ibex]

Nah it was the arks of Omen and the blood crusade I think

So effectively the return of the Lion and the sacking of the Rock

[floral herald]

Arks of Omen is the most recent "big plot thing"

Actually the Pariah Nexus stuff is newer I think

But not as "big" of a deal for the setting

[thin ibex]

It feels like it hints at a possible big thing but didn't have a big thing of its own

I do think any development around the silent king is probably significant

[glad spear]

I know Gulliman and The Silent King are going to meet in the next book

Or something of that nature

Since Guillman is going to investigate the Pariah Nexus stuff

[pulsar holly]

Wasn't one of the big developments that there's a big civil war brewing for the Necrons?

[upper bluff]

Idk if it's civil war brewing but a lot of dynasties were upset that the Silent King authorized the use of the instant death weapons despite them being "dishonorable"

[pulsar holly]

Well we got the other big Necron figure who's presenting himself as a rival from what I recall. Imotekh the Stormlord.

[past sphinx]

BIG CASINO

[solemn gull]

I wonder if other parts of the imperium ever get space marine tanks. I mean Rhinos are common enough and it’s not like regular humans can’t operate them.

[past sphinx]

they seem pretty specific in them being issued to chapters

rhinos get modified into other kinds of tanks but marine patterns seem sacred

[paper bluff]

The lion coming back isn't big?

[solemn gull]

Right but if sisters, arbites, etc get rhinos and a predator is a rhino with sponsons and a turret it feels like it would just be a little bit more effort to give them the 4 lascannon special

[floral herald]

Yeah but they're not space marines

I think it's probably ideological not practical

[pulsar holly]

I'd say it's big, but not as big as the end result of the Vashtorr's plans.

[past sphinx]

god says you cant put a predator turret on the rhino unless your his kids

[floral herald]

Shoot just putting lascannons on it was like 500 years of turmoil

[past sphinx]

imagine the panic in the halls of temples when the repressor had its stormbolter put in a turret mounting

[solemn gull]

lmao

Sometimes I forget how stupid the imperium is

[floral herald]

Yeah when it doubt it's because someone relatively important proclaimed "I'll fucking kill you if you do that"

[deft crest]

Hey killteam players. I bought the Krieg death korps box, whats the best configuration of troops to build since things like Sniper and Sapper share the same sprew.

(@me if you reply)

[floral herald]

Are you comfortable magnetizing?

[deft crest]

Ohhh hrmmmm

Thats a good idea

I've only done that on crisis suits

Weapons for those super easy

[floral herald]

IIRC there's relatively few overlaps and while it's kinda annoying to not be able to bring both options at once it's nice to not need to choose

[deft crest]

Yeah, i think its maybe 4 or 3

Tyty

[jaunty dawn]

in universe even the marines getting that was controversial

but predators-equivs more broadly are around

castigators

and you can probably find citations for random imperial factions

the heresy army also had their own version

the main armoured force just uses like, actual tanks instead of apcs converted into tanks

[junior robin]

but if we didnt turn apcs into tanks we would not have the razorback Rikarius 👀

[jaunty dawn]

ooh

that fucks

[solemn gull]

Always been a thinned black paint fan personally

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/oom4vygg/grotmas-calendar-day-24-white-beards-and-joy-to-all-mankind/

space wolfs: "Ours charge phase"

[paper bluff]

So you can 3" heroic intervention for free. I always forget, is the fighting after you charge in the charge phase or after charges then it's the fight phase and it's like the units that charges have fights first?

[desert jay]

Cool detachment naming, we have Champions of Russ and Champions of Fenris

[tired cairn]

After the charge phase is the fight phase and charging normally gives fights first (though not on heroic interventions)

[thin ibex]

I feel like mass counter charging could be really good, especially if you bring fights first models or fights on death models

Also since you treat it like your charge phase, you can use impact mortals like from the brutalis

[paper bluff]

If it's like heroic intervention you don't get charge bonuses

[tired cairn]

3" is pretty low though

Yeah, it says you don't get the charge bonus

[jaunty dawn]

it's so weird how they keyworded charge bonus and then didn't use the system with anything other than the default fight first

[paper bluff]

And what is the ordering, is it the opponent fights first, then you who did the charge, then your unit that was charged, OR is it you because you charged their charge so you fight then the opponent then your unit

[thin ibex]

The charge bonus is fighting first in the fight phase

Unit special rules, as far as I can tell, still trigger

So impact mortals, extra attacks, etc still trigger

[tired cairn]

It says any charge bonus. So I assume that includes anything that triggers on a charge

[jaunty dawn]

no

the charge bonus is fights first

nothing else uses the 'charge bonus' system

[thin ibex]

The only thing you get by default for charging is fighting first in the fight phase

[tired cairn]

You alternate fights first units, starting with the defender. Then you alternate normal units, also starting with the defender

[tired cairn]

Why did they say "any" instead of "the" then lmao

[thin ibex]

Everything else is unit special rules that trigger based on charging

[jaunty dawn]

because it's weird!

[thin ibex]

The fact that it also specifies that it counts as charging in your charge phase is key

To how it uses unit special rules

[pulsar cairn]

could an eldar pass as a human if deep within a hive city that's already full of mutants?

[paper bluff]

Yes

Well maybe

The eldar are unnervingly pretty

Uncannily so

[tired cairn]

Most people don't know what Eldar look like. So they could probably pass as a human mutant in most places

[paper bluff]

Humanity and mutant plus pretty is rare

More fun/unnerving question, could you make an eldar into a servitor?

You know from the infinite and the divine, the necrons make a servitor kinda of that one prediction race

[thin ibex]

Eldar are also like a full foot taller than most humans

More slender

Personally I don't think Eldar could pass for human

Mutant yeah, or obviously Xenos if not eldar

[floral herald]

Deathwatch did

[pulsar cairn]

i kind of consider mutants humans so i'll take that as a yes

[solemn gull]

Everything can be servitorized

[paper bluff]

Could an eldar pass as human is a bit like can a navigator

[soft willow]

It's tech heresy. Why would you waste a holy machine on a Xenos?

[solemn gull]

Sometimes a magos biologis get’s tempted by how strong and plentiful orks are

Lot of biomass there

[soft willow]

That is in fact a plot point of one of the Admech books.

It's also heresy.

[solemn gull]

It’s only heresy if someone finds out

[soft willow]

No, it's heresy, but you only get in trouble if someone finds out, and your name isn't Bellisarius Cawl.

[solemn gull]

There are some sects that are cool with it

[mild glen]

In Rogue Trader, there's an Eldar that's introduced to you as a planetary governor's pet mutant. Most people believe it without hesitation and it takes you a Lore (Xenos) test to catch the lie.

[jaunty dawn]

spaceborn are kinda similar

voidborn

[floral herald]

Psychic gun

[soft willow]

You don't need servitor parts for that, you just consecrate it with the appropriate rituals and slap a purity seal on the side.

[paper bluff]

That is also the planetary governor saying that. That is a sort of

https://tenor.com/view/hans-schultz-hogan's-heroes-sergeant-schultz-i-see-nothing-gif-6911821947366319682

[floral herald]

Psychic scanner?

[paper bluff]

Then ths ruler of the planet says that. And few are the people that can supercede what a planetary governor

[storm schooner]

They've returned our heroic intervention on everything to us

Should be pretty good with grey hunters

[paper bluff]

There is a whole mission that let's you heroic intervention for free

[desert jay]

What’s the universal heroic intervention strat range?

[paper bluff]

6"

But you gotta roll

I think

And you 100% do not get charge bonuses

[thin ibex]

It's notable that the Eldar also never spent any time in close proximity with humans than was strictly necessary, and had the word of the governor backing them up

[solemn gull]

I hope the alpha legion wins

[junior robin]

they always do

oh wait thats tzeentch 🤔

[dense sedge]

Who’s thinking we might get emperors children reveal tomorrow?

[junior robin]

my hopes are HH admech rules but probably more likely for EC

[desert jay]

They did tease something for Christmas

[hearty wasp]

resolve that if I ever get into 40k properly to avoid Space Marines
Have an idea for a chaos space marine warband

[solemn gull]

It can’t be helped that chaos are so cool

Could it just be a cool chaos warband?

[pulsar cairn]

btw, do iron warrior chaos warbands stay at the eye of terror?

[solemn gull]

Some do

That is where most of the dark mechanicus are and supply lines are hard without them

[uneven ember]

Most of the old Legion Warbands operate out of the Eye of Terror
it's a perfect base of operations for Chaos, because it's functionally impossible for the Imperium to operate in

Also it provides the Iron Warriors specifically the chance to do cool tech stuff in a place where things like "laws of physics" are more vague suggestions

[solemn gull]

Also time works way different in there so there are plenty of “long war” veterans who were at the Horus heresy

[pulsar cairn]

makes sense

[solemn gull]

It’s also why they have kept so much archeotech

[floral herald]

Warbands might be all over the place but Iron Warriors HQ is in Medrengard in the eye of terror

[paper bluff]

The night lords specifically stay out of the eye of terror tho

[past sphinx]

There's also a lot of recruits who think their veterans of terra due to the wibbly eye of terror

[past sphinx]

To broke to get into the club

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/megalopolis-adam-driver-go-back-to-the-club-gif-15630590169821210381

[past sphinx]

my miniswap gift this year

i only hope hes gross enough for the nurgle acolyte in my life

[pulsar cairn]

Ugly

Ugly in the way it's supposed to be

U did a good job painting it

[past sphinx]

thank you small canidae

[paper bluff]

A lost primarch named Vulpes Vulpes

[past sphinx]

he could be the primarch of something like "orbital dogs"

[runic swallow]

Orbital Dogs sounds like it’d be a sick ass ODST team tbh

[bright dove]

I'd name a guard unit that tbh

[quaint compass]

Perevis Esyl of the Hound-Dogs
A primarch known for his unceasing charisma, wiped clean from the records of history

[cinder wraith]

my local warhammer tournament decided to do a fun event

drinking cans will be turned into terrain

before the game each team rolls a D6

1 = each crit treated as a fail
2,3,4,5 = nothing happens
6 = each fail treated as a crit

[mild glen]

giggles, tucking their hair behind their ears
Hey there...

Dammit... 2025 is going to see me build an EC army...

[junior robin]

awesome

lots of head options as well

[jaunty dawn]

the face options are so silly

[solemn gull]

That helmet fucks

[junior robin]

bit sad we dont get a neutral pretty one more like the HH face

[cinder wraith]

neat model

oh

https://tenor.com/view/hmusicruof4-rowley-diary-of-a-wimpy-kid-rodrick-rules-gif-26773802

i Don't like that

[junior robin]

...oh.

yeah thats a strange design choice.

[glass totem]

merry grotmas one and all

[solemn gull]

It’s so weird how the red gobbo has become the “gw christmas guy”

Da Revulution was clearly successful if they got off Angelis/Gorkamorka

[pulsar cairn]

What's wrong with the design?

[unreal cosmos]

they might object to his (grits teeth as she resists the urge to say something inappropriate but really funny) vaguely yonic patch of flayed skin

[cinder wraith]

NSFW : ||Streched cloaca||

[paper bluff]

The part in front with the icon in it?

[unreal cosmos]

okay that's definitely not what it's meant to be