Warhammer and Such

[tired cairn]

Oh. Right, that's why the combo needed the right leader to work

[jagged dawn]

We absolutely love this artist btw. The post above is just the latest in an ongoing Gue’vesa series

[thin ibex]

It's easy to bring like 9 crypteks though and make sure you have one leading every unit

[paper bluff]

It is key because the seraptek heavy construct does not have keyword Canoptek otherwise people would absolutely take it in thw list

[glad spear]

That's so cool

[pulsar cairn]

Looks like a star wars droid

Droid army was so cool....

[glad spear]

Star wars Legion

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-arS6-pUDFo

[silk verge]

lmfao

[paper bluff]

https://x.com/JoyToyWarhammer/status/1864300386825220527

JoyToyWarhammer (@JoyToyWarhammer) on X

New Reveals

Twitter · Dec 4, 2024, 1:27 PM

[pulsar cairn]

are those custodians?

[brittle salmon]

@floral herald do you know if the Tempestus are performing any good right now? I really like the look of them

[floral herald]

The Aquilons?

They’re real good atm

[brittle salmon]

Yeah

[floral herald]

Below the busted tier but very strong and flexible

[brittle salmon]

Hell yeah

[floral herald]

I think they’re at a pretty healthy 53% wr in tourney play

I like how aggressively they can rush with the drop beacons

[jaunty dawn]

im so close to finishing vespids

and I think at this rate its looking like ill be getting more aquilon models before I finish painting them 😔

maybe thats overly dramatic 2 weeks should be enough

how long has kt24 been out?

[glad spear]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KVXQPpi0FFA

[paper bluff]

Yes. The custodes jet pack (venatarii) and 30k terminator (aquilon terminator)

[paper bluff]

Okay but I have 5 guys to your 38

[past sphinx]

i played a full 3 rounds once and lost all of 5 guys

stodes aint great but they have extremely solid fundamentals

[paper bluff]

Yeah absolutely. The stodes is to survive long enough to get to youin melee. And generally, not great anti-vehicle unless you try can opener-ing

[past sphinx]

melta spear squads aint nothing to sniff at

you just really have to deploy them well

[paper bluff]

You still will not convince to take a squad of pyrithite spears

I do have a list with a knight lancer tho

[past sphinx]

5 meltas with lethals or devs hitting on 2s critting on 5s

[tardy vault]

1k points v Maggotkin. Conceded top of round 3 because newb DoK player into Nurgle went as well as expected.

First proper AoS game had tho!

[past sphinx]

not a lot of things that can push out the wounds to kill maggot kins well

[tardy vault]

DoK can but we needed to commit everything on the main anvil

2 damage Crit mortals makes even Nurgle players pause.

[tardy vault]

Hell, if I'm lucky (2d6 8+) 3 damage Crit Mortals

[mild glen]

General 40k question for a curious newbie: What is out there thats turns off Invulnerable saves? (Disregard Dev Wounds, as they turn off all saves)

[floral herald]

Mortals basically

[jaunty dawn]

a lot of the stuff that used to just got changed to mortal wounds

one of the librarians should have it? as null field was one of the big traditional ones

i think one of the thousand sons not!spells does it yoot

too

[bright dove]

Yay for that!

[tardy vault]

I bowed out afterwards

there's a tournament this weekend and everyone had shown up so I wanted to let the dude get his practice in

[floral herald]

Nope that got nerfed

Twist of Fate used to be no saves and now it’s just -2 AP haha

[jaunty dawn]

oh wild

[mild glen]

Oh. Damn. So units like the Bloodletters with the 7+ Save and the 5+ Invul are just... always on a 5+ and the 7+ is only written down because they had to fill in the box instead of putting a -- through it.

[floral herald]

I was gonna use it as an example but when I checked it wasn’t there haha

[jaunty dawn]

glad I was remembering correctly even if its no longer a thing

[floral herald]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

theres not a lot that hits invulns but would allow a 6+ save

not sure theres anything at all in 10e

[floral herald]

There’s been some editions either more invuln ignoring but in general they’re the Save You Get

Daemons actually used to get a weird daemonic save which was a little easier to ignore but also worked better against ranged attacks

[novel cove]

https://x.com/toffee_32/status/1864410786879209538?t=7IHAFTki6LnYd-hhtkqlxg&s=19

Faust 🎀 (⚙️💀 era) (@toffee_32) on X

never posted this one

Twitter · Dec 4, 2024, 8:45 PM

[glass totem]

imagine a century of loredumping about your family feuds

[pine matrix]

One of my favourite lines from Infinite and Divine is an awkward silence lasting three days

[glass totem]

yeah i liked that one

my overall fave moment has to be Trazyn and Orikan fighting, and the narration mentions that like
it'd be pathetic if they weren't undying machines

[pine matrix]

Two old men having a slapfight

[glass totem]

also necron courts normally taking centuries to come to a verdict (decades when they rush it)

I think it really helps to show (apart from the comedy) that the Necrons don't have mortal conceptions of time thanks to giving up flesh and soul

[pine matrix]

Absolutely

[glass totem]

Severed and Twice-Dead King are also good, which is nice

although my like for the former might be because Zahndrekh (and Obryon) are my favourite named necron characters

[mental birch]

Oh!

Admech detachment looks fun

[desert jay]

Okay yeah that's neat

[jaunty dawn]

pretty cute

[mental birch]

Stealing a joke

From someone on the admech server

Drone kink enjoyers eating good

[south axle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gvofotqw/grotmas-calendar-day-5-red-is-the-colour-of-the-season/

[floral herald]

This seems neat

[upper bluff]

Admech finally has another good detachment 😭

Like this detachment feels like it was made with the express purpose of making models that are just below good better

Rerolling all hazardous saves makes plasma kataphrons less swingy

Giving Kastellan robots the army rule and always being effected by the detachment rule

y'all aren't ready for advance and charge Kastellans

No defensive stratagem is kinda lame but the rest are nice

Even aggressive impulse is nice for stealing objectives with Skitarii

[spice flicker]

Ad mech got a spicy detachment

[floral herald]

https://x.com/warhammer/status/1864686637440975289?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Warhammer Official (@warhammer) on X

You wait around ages for one Iron Warriors Warsmith to show up for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy, and two come along at once!

Get a closer look: https://t.co/8p7AxGfO1L

#WarhammerTHH #WarhammerCommunity

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 3:01 PM

[jaunty dawn]

what

why

why make two of the same model and then make them barely different????

[glad spear]

He's got a rocket hammer yo

[jaunty dawn]

I guess cause a repose is pretty cheap

the hammer looks amazing though

also really like how terminators look one-handing that pattern of combi weapon

[glad spear]

It's made of forge world resin but comes in two versions

the other version

"There are actually two versions of this miniature available. One is posed stoically observing the battlefield, no doubt surveying his impregnable fortifications before he pulverises them for good. The other is striding purposefully forward, hammer hefted and ready to muck in with the teardown – and this version is going to be exclusively on sale at Warhammer World."

The version I posted is only at warhammer world

[tired cairn]

Oh hey, the Dunerider finally got its assault ramps. I guess it's a high level secret and so a tech priest needs to directly control people for it to be used

[glad spear]

lol

New Heretek

Necromunda

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/i18ydqlu/ignore-the-dictates-of-mars-with-the-blasphemous-heretek/

Dude got the bomb defusal bot

[still warren]

fyi if anyone has amazon prime, they've currently got warhammer dow, hired gun, deathwing, and the first space marine game as free to claim rn

[tired cairn]

Oh, the admech detachment forgot to mention admech for what units you select for Halo Override. So technically you can give an ally (hey Canis Rex) it. This is probably not intentional

[paper bluff]

That's going to be some great tech marine conversions for 40k

[uneven ember]

it's in a box somewhere but I think this is almost directly taken from the Heretek art in Dark Heresy 1st

[pulsar cairn]

Is that how they do robot battles in necromunda? They make stuff with servitors?

[hard whale]

even Necromundans know the dangers of the Abominable Intelligence

[tardy vault]

well, that and humans are cheap

gotta remember one of the combat scenarios is rounding up civilians because there's a food shortage and you need to feed your gang

[glad spear]

Corpsestarch makes the imperium go around

[spice flicker]

I wonder what detachment knights will get?

[thin ibex]

Freeblade themed one perhaps?

like a freeblade lance?

[past sphinx]

literally anything that buffs specifically the big knights

[soft willow]

Hoping for a Mechanicus sworn themed one, but a freeblade one seems just as likely.

Whichever we don't get will be in the Codex though.

[paper bluff]

Both types of knight need some love rn

Imperial more than chaos

[past sphinx]

The armiger chassie is simply annoying

Even when I'm using them

[paper bluff]

The imperial armiger is dog

[mild glen]

Got a case in. Time to learn to magnetize n shit

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah

[paper bluff]

clear bases are rougher

[pastel rampart]

As someone who has magnetized a ton of shit:

1. Get magnets that fit the underside as close as possible to what would be the 'floor,' but not over it. Most base undersides are 2-3mm, and if they are just shy that's fine. 5-8mm wide magnets are best, they give a good amount of surface coverage.
2. I use superglue to adhere the magnets first and then, once that's cured, go with 5-minute epoxy spread around the magnet. Superglue isn't strong enough to prevent the magnet from breaking off, but epoxy sure as heck is. I suspect hot glue would also do fine but I've not tried it.
3. Be sure the magnets all have the same polarity pointed towards the metal trays or else you'll get models flying at each other like toxic yuri protagonists.

Also yeah clear bases are a pain to work with because just...you're gonna see the magnet, and their underside is really shallow. If you don't mind the magnet being seen and willing to work with it, more power to you, but I'd personally glue it atop a plastic base and go from there.

[mild glen]

[mental birch]

My brain going, "this is a kink thing right?" At the new detachment fluf

[thin ibex]

oh where can we check new deatch's? warham community?

[mild glen]

Oui

[mental birch]

I am very ready for advance and charge beep boops

[pulsar cairn]

ya know this isnt 40k but i read something that is very slaneesh coded it's about these owl creatures who take over your body and go "yo i have a body, lets see what feelings feel like" and then it fucks up your body trying to feel every kind of sensation imaginable

would a slaneesh demon do that to you?

[solemn gull]

I think slannesh demons probably already know what feelings are like but yeah they would do that just to be an asshole to you

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/WH40kbestof/status/1864919199438545333

[meager quail]

polinavish

[glad spear]

🙏

[past sphinx]

God I'm going to have to kitbash a saint sabbat

[spice flicker]

Anyone seen the necron detachment yet?

[past sphinx]

Renegade raiders, skeleton edition

Having never played against crons i can imagine assault is good for them slow lads

[mild glen]

Having very little experience, I bet this is going to be ridiculously frustrating

"LOL, Reanimation Protocols Twice"

[tired cairn]

Index Necrons were very annoying for that reason. Though they had a lot of ways to trigger it then besides just one strat

[thin ibex]

Big warrior blobs are kind of not in fashion these days right?

I imagine they still see a lot of play in casual games though

It can be fun to just run a big blob of self resurrecting warriors

[upper canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380041135902556161/1314614962521640980/20241206_102951.jpg?ex=67546a17&is=67531897&hm=81c44e8681980ddd40ce2067dd23feb087d4665a729753f517c65d2ac34eb179&

At pax

[thin ibex]

Sick

[paper bluff]

Right. And given it's just d3 and how rez orbs work now, there's better combos

It's about artillery with the crons

[thin ibex]

I mean if I ran crons I'd probably still run at least one max sized blob

But then I'd also run the trairch stalker and that's not in vogue either

[mental birch]

it's one a round instead of twice

I guess

[jagged dawn]

https://x.com/101ho_/status/1865077704909033681?s=46&t=oWW_NnXMz5xZU9SUUTq01g

101ho (@101ho_) on X

Commission Thank you

"Saint Lexlund, the atoning soldier. A soldier of the Death Korp who craves to die for the God-Emperor in the most perfect way, but every death so far has been lacking, imperfect in some way, so he rises again, on some battlefield, somewhere in the galaxy,

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 4:55 PM

[polar crag]

Do we know the rough order of grotmas updates?

I have a friend who is eagerly awaiting orks

[mental birch]

Chaos, wait

@polar crag

Chaos, Imperium, Xenos usually

But this breaks that cycle

So I dunn9

[polar crag]

I have another friend who wants chaos stuff too

Really hes sad that a lot of units chaos space marines used to have got moved to either demons or specific chaos legions. He played in 7th and just got back into it and missed a lot of his old stuff

[desert jay]

The 7e CSM list looks pretty similar to the modern one, but I'm also aware that 7e was one of the most soup-friendly editions out there

[tired cairn]

Was that the one where anyone could ally with anyone if you kept them far enough apart?

[desert jay]

Yeah

[polar crag]

Idk I wasnt playing at the time. I only recently started playing, and I only play on tabletop sim

[desert jay]

But also like CSM and daemons were at battle brother level, they could be as mixed even as far as having faction A squads led by faction B characters

found a reference doc

[pastel rampart]

7e was soup edition but Imperial was like THE big pot of soup, and it was honestly difficult to follow the release schedule because of it.

Also man it's just...kind of annoyingly difficult to find Death Company on ebay that isn't the last plastic kit. I get old metal models are something of a rarity now but like, no I will not pay $10 for a single model.

[rocky harness]

Couldn't some of Plauge knights from old world/AOS and do some kitbash.

[pastel rampart]

They'd make great terminators, easily.

[polar crag]

https://vxtwitter.com/CosmonautMarcus/status/1865106061062996275?t=pmEwaZXYquD8Zh5YDPvSVg&s=19

[tired cairn]

Would Horus lose because he is the antagonist, or would he win because he has to die by the hands of the Emperor

[mild glen]

Conversation in the FLGS discord; shortened and paraphrased:
🧑‍🦱 Oh, hey, the Death Watch Index is releasing for Grotmas tomorrow
🙍 Oh? They're breaking The Pattern?
🙅 No, they're just confirming that Deathwatch are filthy Heretics for using so much abominable xenotech
🧑‍🦱 Dark Angels are Loyalist! Finally confirmed!

[hard whale]

What's the Pattern?

oh, because it was chaos -> imperium -> xenos for the first week

With like half the game being imperium they couldn't maintain that forever

[polar crag]

Squirrel Girl wouldn't kill him, but she would beat his ass like a drum

[floral herald]

I think it’d actually be really close with Horus Ascendant

Bro is huffing on peak edgelord powers

Unlimited power, faster than light speed, moves in at least 8 dimensions to teleport behind u, chaos control deck at the ready

[tired cairn]

ugh, control decks are the worst

[pastel rampart]

SQ beat Thanos who is at least on par with Horus.

[mild glen]

Hey! As a B/U control player...
Yeah. That's fair.

[merry lagoon]

Pictured: Horus three seconds after that fight starts: https://www.looper.com/img/gallery/thats-whats-up-the-slightly-improbable-rise-of-squirrel-girl/squirrel-girl-beat-doctor-doom-1553883467.jpg

[floral herald]

It’s kinda a toss up because Horus takes the timelines where the fight happens on panel and SG takes the ones where it doesn’t

[tired cairn]

Wait, SG beat those powerful people off screen? lol

[pastel rampart]

Yup.

But she's a comedy/gag character, more or less, which as has been established with One Piece and OPM is some overpowered bullshit.

[floral herald]

Yeah the gag is basically that it cuts to them losing

It’s good

[tired cairn]

Horus better watch out if the narrative needs some levity at that particular moment

[merry lagoon]

Nah, she's thrown down against ultron and galactus on-screen and come out on top

Ultron was also a dinosaur at the time

[pulsar cairn]

squirrels

[merry lagoon]

It only took about a week for her evil clone to bring down almost every superhuman on earth in marvel and bring every government to it's knees.

Admittedly she did clone evil squirrels though.

[bright dove]

She's also thrown down against Loki and Ratatoskr iirc

[polar crag]

A serious villain can never win against a gag hero

Arale, Saitama, Bugs Bunny, and Squirrel girl. They all clown on serious villains

[floral herald]

That’s kinda why I think Horus has a chance

“Sanguinius moved at the speed of light but Horus moved at the speed of dark” is unserious

[tired cairn]

🤔 What fraction of 40k characters are secretly gag characters

[hard whale]

All of the primarchs except bobby G, because every routine needs a straight man

[merry lagoon]

Every 40k character is a gag character, because 40k itself is a joke.

[paper bluff]

Not secretly it is the Orks

[floral herald]

Real

[muted elm]

the orks don't count because they aren't secret at all

[finite compass]

Dat'z da problem wif humies. Dey just ain't logikal.

[paper bluff]

What's funny is that it seems Dorn was Rowboat's straight man

[mild glen]

So... game question: are Hellblasters good? Like... their statline looks decent to me, especially if you attach an Apothecary, and I like the way they look, but... I never hear about people taking them?

[pale narwhal]

They’re solidly good. Less good now they’ve confirmed they can’t shoot again from dying to their own overcharge. But still solid, especially with a lieutenant for lethals to threaten bigger stuff (fire discipline helps there if you run gladius, DA players run Azrael with them relatively often)

[mild glen]

Did they eratta that? Wahapedia says the exact opposite

[tired cairn]

I hope that's how it still works. Because "oh no, my plasma gun is going to explode. I better shoot even more" is really funny

[mild glen]

And then the Apothecary next turn is all "just kidding, you lived".

[past sphinx]

HOLD THE TRIGGER, THE GODS KNOW THEIR OWN

[mild glen]

BIG GUTS AND BIGGER GUNS

[pale narwhal]

I thought they did, at least. Wahapedia isn’t always up to date

Ahh, it was an FAQ for a specific tournament gw put out (?) that said that

But more widely they can

So go nuts I guess

[quaint compass]

All nurgle characters because smelly

[pulsar cairn]

u think any of them is sad about being smelly?

probably mortarion

[upper bluff]

Insane question but are there any nurgle related characters who smell good?

[floral herald]

Uhh

I don’t think so

[bright dove]

Too much rot.

[jaunty dawn]

some might smell sweet but not in a good way

[tired cairn]

Deathwatch! https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pt27vdqe/grotmas-calendar-day-7-whether-youve-been-naughty-or-nice-the-deathwatch-are-coming/

I like how they made the specialist ammo usable on any gun instead of being bolter only

[jaunty dawn]

new edition who

this is already how they workeddd

talonstrike is cool though

[tired cairn]

They had mixed armor kill teams before (notably terminators and bikes could join certain squads?)

[jaunty dawn]

that was the firstborn kill team

[tired cairn]

I guess they just removed it from them then lol

[jaunty dawn]

yeah they basically just never updated the original kill team

for tenth

[tired cairn]

Kind of weird that they only have one unit with mixed toughness now

[floral herald]

The unit was whack as hell

[jaunty dawn]

though strictly speaking you can still take kill team cassius which is the full mix

at least in legends

[rocky harness]

Also dark Eldar. All that leather, skinned faces and combat drugs has to produce a truly horrible stink

[hallow star]

someone is doing a wh40kxBen 10 fancomic crossover

https://bsky.app/profile/jadetheshade9.bsky.social/post/3lbpdjclvv22o

Jade (@jadetheshade9.bsky.social)

My cover for my Ben 10 X Warhammer 40K short comics.

This is one of my biggest projects yet as I finally branch out more to doing more stuff I want to do.

#ben10 #warhammer40k

Bluesky · Nov 24, 2024, 3:35 PM

.....

what the fuck would happen if he gets ahold of tyranid DNA

[mild glen]

So... is the Deathwatch Index essentially just a Space Marines detachment with some special units and a weird "army rule" that only really covers one of the units?

[south axle]

DW has always been weird SM thingy

[past sphinx]

This is the way

[mild glen]

Look. I've only started knowing the first damn thing about the Tabletop in, like, January. Give me a break.😜

Tenth is my first edition

[runic swallow]

We’re just goofing, no worries

[mental birch]

Hahaha

[tired cairn]

The Deathwatch "Kill Team" army rule was more relevant when you could take half a dozen different unit's models in the same unit

[mild glen]

I'm playing into the bit.

[unreal cosmos]

The Gravis Kill Team is fucking JUICY for Apothecary Biologi

[tired cairn]

How it affects two units (one of which is legends)

[unreal cosmos]

which is good because they're already the most DW-coded unit that doesn't actually have the keyword natively

[mild glen]

Legends Units aren't real and can't hurt me.

[tired cairn]

My hot take is that assigning hits should happen before the wound roll and then you don't have to have special rules about multi-toughness units

[runic swallow]

Don’t say that, this some of my favorite models

(Seriously why can’t CSM take heresy era stuff that’s our whole deal)

[tired cairn]

Legends can't hurt you at a tournament, but they can hurt you emotionally

[runic swallow]

Please, release my Leviathan he did nothing and/or everything wrong

[tired cairn]

It makes it really dicey to buy anything else FW that is still not legends

[runic swallow]

But seriously if I get back into playing 40k I’d be more likely to be playing 30k tbh

[tired cairn]

The new 30k admech models look pretty cool

I wish they had 40k rules

[runic swallow]

I really like the leviathan and the Sicarin Venator

Like, a laser tank destroyer? That’s cool as hell

[tired cairn]

But I think GW is leaning towards having the game lines be incompatible model wise

I like how the Sicarian Venerator is a tank built around a gun

I wonder if the tubes means it is a chemical laser

[mental birch]

Imeam it is

So juicy

[runic swallow]

I have no idea but it’s so cool

I loved the drawing of it just annihilating an enemy tank in the Legiones Astartes book

I also just like the 30k sketch art tbh

But yeah it’s very interwar to Cold War in its design

And yeah it’s just “we cut out all space in the hull aside from the smallest crew compartment, engine compartment, and the rest is this fucking gun

[tired cairn]

I'm pretty meh on tech-thralls, but I like the rest of these units:

[runic swallow]

I love the Thallax and Thanatars

[tired cairn]

Especially the conveyor. It reminds me of Yuri's MCV

[runic swallow]

I feel they’d go very nicely in theme with the IW

[tired cairn]

(I'm also meh on the current admech transport's aesthetic, so I want an alternative lol)

[runic swallow]

Tech thralls are hilarious because they’re like, 3 points

[tired cairn]

AdMech not beating the horde army allegations

[runic swallow]

They are either hyper elite or horde, yeah

[paper bluff]

https://x.com/lonecryptek/status/1865014501415776264

Iya (@lonecryptek) on X

🎵Have yourself a merry necron Christmas...🎵
#necrons #warhammer40k #40kart #christmas

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 12:44 PM

[past sphinx]

Their 3 points a model and take 10 minutes to build each

[runic swallow]

Lmao

[tired cairn]

If it's a new model, I fear for their price to point ratio too lol

[mental birch]

It has improved from the old version

The price to point ratio

[tired cairn]

I guess going old resin to new plastic is very different going from old plastic to be plastic price wise lol

1.33 USD/point is much better than I expected tbh

[mild glen]

Considering buying a Ridgerunner as a non-GSC player so I can paint the hood with "Deny Defend Depose". Please talk sense into me.

[silk verge]

LOL

[tired cairn]

lmao that fits that faction so well. Clearly don't do this if you don't already own GSC. They are the American healthcare of model prices

And you'd just be tempting yourself into collecting the army

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[mild glen]

What if it was a gift for someone that does play GSC?

[tired cairn]

Oh, that's harder to argue against. I'm sorry. Please give my condolences to your wallet

[desert jay]

That and the fact that the FW daemon engines got removed from 40k before they got rules for 30k

[past sphinx]

WE LOST OUR SUPERHEAVY

GREAT BRASS SCORPION OF KHORNE IN PLASTIC WHEN

[thin ibex]

Brass scorpion gone?

[past sphinx]

Legends

Gone reduced to casual

[thin ibex]

Ahh well

I don't think it was being played anyway

Still a shame

It's a cool guy

[past sphinx]

I believe in maintaining units in comp out of sheer "thats sick ass hell" vibes

[floral herald]

Has the scorp ever been competitively relevant?

I haven’t looked at it much since it was sick as hell but locked in Apocalypse jail

[past sphinx]

About as good as any superheavy so middling

[jaunty dawn]

there was this one guy who ran two

[floral herald]

That’s cool

[jaunty dawn]

iirc it was surprisingly good but that was more a statement on how bad 9e csm were before codex

[tired cairn]

A vehicle based custodes detachment was not on my bingo card: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zbsjp7lt/grotmas-calendar-day-8-gifts-of-gold-and-death/

[desert jay]

Custodes has vehicles?

Okay. Not counting FW, they have the Rhino, the Land Raider, and the Contemptor Dread

(I forgot walkers usually have vehicle keyword too)

Oh huh, a vehicle enhancement. Is this the first?

[tired cairn]

The forgeworld tank is popular. And I feel like this detachment is based with FW vehicles in mind

Are there any vehicle characters?

[desert jay]

I/C Knights have vehicle characters, IDK who else

[tired cairn]

Oh. Yeah outside of knights this is probably a first

[desert jay]

But for 15 pts it seems really good on a Land Raider

6" aura of re-roll 1s to hit

[jaunty dawn]

dreadnought custodes seems fun

[tired cairn]

You can't put it on a land raider

Only the walkers can be made characters

[desert jay]

Ahh

Okay that tracks

[jaunty dawn]

the assassin extremis abilities are interesting tech

[desert jay]

Still pretty good on dreads

[tired cairn]

The assassin detachment is weird. Obligatory enhancements like things

[desert jay]

Wait... you can give Dreads a 5+ FNP with this detach???

[tired cairn]

Those can be very annoying

[desert jay]

Telemon with the 2+ save, 4+ invuln, -1 damage, and 5+ FNP going "what damage?"

[tired cairn]

Decoy Targets seems a bit bad though given that Callidus already have uppy-downy?

Generally they seem a bit expensive

These projectiles are tipped with miniaturised melta charges that detonate on impact.

This is such a ridiculous idea for an anti-material rifle lmao. It's great

[desert jay]

Oh, no normal enhancements b/c assassins are epic heroes

[tired cairn]

Yeah

They are also mandatory

[desert jay]

It'd be funny if the detachement had just removed the epic hero keyword

So A) they can take enhancements and B) you can spam assassins

[tired cairn]

That would have been funny

I do think this method is potentially more interesting (but the execution is not amazing)

... There is a joke about the assassin detachment having a bad execution somewhere

[desert jay]

And then there is the other problem with this detachment, which is that you're still restricted to the agents roster to spend 2000 pts on

(It is a problem with all agents detachments)

[tired cairn]

agents of the Imperium needs a reverse agents rule

... I wonder if they could have made all the Assassin upgrades free and it still would have been a bad detachment

[desert jay]

Someone commented "solid detachment for 500 pt games"

[tired cairn]

lmao

Could have been a combat patrol

[desert jay]

Now reading through comments on the earlier detachements

A bunch of hypothesizing the Tsons one was written for codex units, not index units

B/c it buffs psychic weapons but there's not actually that much to go around RN

[tired cairn]

Are they on the list to get a new codex in early next year?

[desert jay]

Not announced yet

[tired cairn]

rip

Their index is considered pretty wack, so balancing around a future codex versus the index makes sense

It might suggest that Rubric marines will lose their reroll

[desert jay]

Announced is just guard, IK/CK, and CWE, and then vague teasing at something chaos

And the tinfoil hat I've previously seen is WE, DG, TSons, and EC all back-to-back in Q2 as the daemon roster gets split up into them

[paper bluff]

All of the IA custodes stuff should really be officially in the custodes main codex

[paper bluff]

Is longstrike a legends?(also the tau battle suits have vehicle key word so farsight is a vehicle character unit) Also does tank commander for imperial gaurd count as character?

[tired cairn]

Oh yeah, tank commanders are characters

Bjorn is also a character vehicle I assume

Walkers: just more likely to be characters than other vehicles

[spice flicker]

So i had a friend come up with an interesting idea: a girls und panzer ttrpg campaign using only war as the system. Her idea was since OW had rules for playing the crew of a tank and had looking to do a more light hearted campaign with a different system than normal why not try that route out.

[mild glen]

Yeah, I was going to point out T'au battlesuit characters.

[spice flicker]

I didn't really have any thoughts or opinions on the idea.

[mild glen]

This is exactly what I thought it would do

[tired cairn]

Give them Battleline so you can make the entire army assassins

Extra great because you get to choose the composition for each battle lol

[glad spear]

Longstrike is a legends character

The Tau battlesuit characters don't exist sadly outside of Farsight and Shadowsun

There used to be specific stat sheets for the Enclave's 8

[tired cairn]

The battlesuit commanders are Characters right?

character is being used so much in this conversation that I'm starting to read it describing the units as "a character" and not its game-technical definition lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think people means special characters

no idea

[tired cairn]

Oh, fair. I think the original question was about vehicle characters in general. But I guess it was really about vehicle specific enhancements

[mild glen]

Like all of Ret Cadre?

[glad spear]

Crisis suit commanders are the "characters"

In terms of table top

I was talking about unique stuff

[thin ibex]

as far as generic vehicle commanders, i think only tau and knights have em

characters*

generic vehicle characters

though soft mention to Tyranids, who have generic monster characters, which is kinda close but sadly not close enough

[upper canopy]

Guard

Tank commander

[junior robin]

world eaters would have tank commanders if they were lore accurate.

[thin ibex]

ah yeah, guard too

[pastel rampart]

If you think of carnifexes as tanks then the hive mind is the most prolific tank commander in the galaxy.

[junior robin]

angron, 6 predators and a laind raider is 1455, so now I just got figure out how to make a flying melee tank proxy for him 🤔

smash together a rhino and a helldrake?

[thin ibex]

predator with heldrake wing sponsons and a chainglaive instead of hte autocannon

[pastel rampart]

Replace the treads and wheels with chain axe heads.

[past sphinx]

Lord of skulls with wings

[raw vessel]

Went to pax unplugged, saw John Warhammer

[past sphinx]

Smooch him

[upper bluff]

John Warhammer X Reader Tags: daddy issues, MlM, improper use of Bolter

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1315497534369566781/image0.jpg?ex=6757a00c&is=67564e8c&hm=acb2f903eeafaaaa878bc1b89ab35c40c4daf501af662fdadbc607a2b3f593d1&

[vital owl]

9 always

[uneven ember]

is 1 carrying around a poo on a stick to threaten people with

like I'm sure this is some kind of nurgle-slime that melts anything but it looks like it's weaponized the same way one's older brother might torment them with a dog turd

[paper bluff]

3 I'm pretty sure

[floral herald]

https://fixupx.com/kamiorra/status/1865509856418861436?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[floral herald]

Ok we've got rules leaked for the Ratlings

It is not possible to run full Ogryns

(You have up to 3)

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/1h9k1lf/rattling_kt_rules/#lightbox

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/1h9k4fw/wrecka_kt_rules/

Also Wreckas

I love the look of the wreckas

lmfao

[past sphinx]

some good quality scrungos in this made to order

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9sn7qfxn/grotmas-calendar-day-9-silent-knights-unholy-knights/

Double event!

[desert jay]

TLDRs:

• CK detach lets them bring cultists, can sacrifice them for bonuses
• IK detach lets them bring admech infantry, tech-priests help repair knights

Ooh, one of the IK strats lets them target infantry with bondsman abilities

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/Hugo_Llera/status/1865826854311211364

Hugo Llera (@Hugo_Llera) on X

Arriba los Puños Carmesíes!✊

Commission finished for @FinThunderBlue

#WarhammerArt

Twitter · Dec 8, 2024, 6:32 PM

[south axle]

Sad that IK didn't get Secutarii

[desert jay]

You can play it with this detachment and the legends datasheets

... wait, lemme check exact keywords

Okay no it's very specific which units

[south axle]

The detachment mentions units by nam from what I saw

Too many units use the Skitarii keyword

[desert jay]

Yeah

Though if it had specified "skitarii infantry", it'd be just rangers & vanguard, pteraxii, sicarians, the marshall, and the skatros

(And secutarii from legends)

[zinc field]

Both detachments seem strongest with a ranged questoris as a centerpiece

The chaos knight rule only buffs a model and a single phase, so you want to pump one unit up as much as possible, with as many shots as possible to fish for 6’s

And that would be a double gun despoiler

Although the lack of rotate ion shields probably makes both detachments worse than the default

[south axle]

Necromunda going Infinity?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/l9z3jr70/the-mysterious-ty-onmyodo-coven-is-here-to-stalk-the-underhive/

[pine matrix]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/l0jgjaih/old-world-almanack-and-for-our-next-trick/

CHECK THIS FUCKING GUY OUT

[pulsar cairn]

Is that a frog?

[tired cairn]

It's a bit silly you can't take engineseers for the new IK detachment (I also feel like the tech-priests should be able to be a warlord but w/e)

My main worry about these detachments is you need the slow infantry to be near the fast Knights

[past sphinx]

Holy shit its the house of Mung

[dense sedge]

Those new wizards are great

[rocky shale]

RAW CKs can also sacrifice a opponents cultists.

[tired cairn]

lmao that's an amazing oversight

[past sphinx]

I think I prefer that to normal csm dark pacts

Its cool and has some flavour

And its a resource you expend instead of dark packing every day all day

[jaunty dawn]

profane altar is really cool

shame about no secutarii in the knight of the cog detach but if you're playing with legends you can probably also just like

allow it

haha

in crusade or w/e

iconoclast fiefdom is neat in general :) the strats are fun

revive cultist squads, screen move, shoot into combat

SICKOS YES

[rocky shale]

It's definitely better than the index detachment on the basis of not being leadership based

[jaunty dawn]

tech priests being able to heal? what a concept!

[rocky shale]

The army rule is still bad but the detachment is cool now

The IK one is super cool and I'm jealous tbh

[jaunty dawn]

:O

tech priest heallll

oh strat to use a bonded ability on a mech unit

and just a strat that gives knights back overwatch lol

but now it can be used in the same turn as regular overwatch, too

[past sphinx]

Thats really glared at me, but I think their legends anyway i guess

[soft willow]

Only in movement so not vs Charging models

Still Acheron is back on the menu.

Valiant also has game in this.

[upper canopy]

so wait

is this a new edition?

what is this

[floral herald]

Just new detachments

[jagged dawn]

ooh

That’s awesome

[upper bluff]

Detachment Advent calendar thing, all the factions are getting a new detachment. It's been pretty exciting so far, none of them have really been awful and most of them are thematic wins too

Like the new Admech detachment might actually dethrone Skitarii Hunting Cohort

Tyranids got the ability to take warriors as battleline

[upper canopy]

Holy SHIT the CK detatchment

Sustained Hits on all my weapons???

[floral herald]

Delicious cultists too

[upper canopy]

Holy shit

it's so good

[solemn gull]

delicious Mung vases

[rocky shale]

Knight despoiler with 36 gatling cannon shots and 3 rockets (+2 heavy flamers) all with sustained 1 and lethal hits yes please

That's an average of like 30 S6 AP-2 D2 shots hitting and 6 of them being lethals. With our despoiler ability hilariously letting you rerolls a single hit and wound.

[thin ibex]

shooty knights making a come back?

how does the cultist consumption work? dealing MW to a cultist squad per ability activation?

[rocky shale]

Shooty knights were already good lol

Force leadership tests on cultists to see how many you eat

[thin ibex]

oh i was under the impression CK were largely a melee/war dog faction over being shooting focused

[paper bluff]

Well one weapon and only within 24"

The loss of rotate ion sheilds seems to be the big thing (also buying more models) seems to be the major complaint

[past sphinx]

It makes the acheron slightly better

[rocky shale]

They ran a good mix, since and brigands are the main shooty war dogs

The shooty big knights were kinda bad and still kinda are outside of the despoiler but the shooty dogs are solid

[paper bluff]

The thing with IK is that there's plenty of stuff that takes out the big knight in 2 turns and when the big thing is 33.33% of your army that you have to get aggressive with to get points. D3 healing isn't much

[upper bluff]

Yeah, maybe the codex will address those issues but I wouldn't hold my breath

Being able to run Skitarii in knights is exciting for me as a person who owns an admech army 1 knight and 2 armigiers

Maybe I'll find a second knight an play IK

[past sphinx]

Helverins are unironically great anti traitor primarch weapons

They all have fly

[pastel rampart]

Orkin' it up.

Snagged a deff dread sprue. Had the legs and most of the torso, but not everything. But thankfully I have a ton of bitz.

[uneven ember]

I keep coming back to the thoughts
my US-themed orks would have to be lead by a Big Mek, right? No one could lead chud orks except a car dealership owner

[runic swallow]

Well, depends on the US theme you’re going for I guess

[past sphinx]

the like platonic form of the american chud is the car dealership salesmen

[uneven ember]

Guns. Obviously guns.
coal rolling.
sunglasses.
Spiked balls connected by chains to the back of the trukks. Trukk nutz.

[runic swallow]

Hmm, yeah, than if you’re doing American either do Evil(er) Used Car Salesman or Uncle Dale from Florida

I’d say truck nuts is more Uncle Dale than Used Care Salesman, but maybe he sells em

[jaunty dawn]

grey knights detachment really confused me until I realised purifiers are the psycannon unit not the flamer one lol

or wait no

actually have no idea what's the deal with grey knight squads

oh is purifier just the grey knight tactical squad

fires of the covenant is neat

okay; purifier squad is the power armoured veterans, who get extra heavy weapons but have a flame-y psychic power but it's not torrent but it does ignore cover

[floral herald]

They’re rough equivalents to like… veteran squads

[thin ibex]

I kinda thought they were their own thing and were dedicated anti infantry, just pooping out firepower

[jaunty dawn]

purifiers and paladins are the two like, vet branches

[thin ibex]

Kustom-MAGAblaster -_-

will every battlewagon look like an eighteen wheeler?

[junior robin]

idea for what to add to the chain: a grot with a power fist.

[pastel rampart]

Now that's an idea.

[novel cove]

https://fixvx.com/KumratArt/status/1866295890035830877?t=-ptc44Y9vLHqrVucJqQrdA&s=19

[pastel rampart]

The receipts as purity seals

[past sphinx]

I wonder if the imperium managed to save any like black sabbath records

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcZ2O4MDkn0

This is cool but I want them to kill off the Ultramarines at this point

like from the setting

[jaunty dawn]

I thought this was meant to be a deathwatch thing

or is that only in the full episode

[upper canopy]

It's probably an ultramarine guy

getting put into the deathwatch

[jaunty dawn]

its titus

[upper canopy]

because 1k guys are omnipresent throughout the entire fucking galaxy

[jaunty dawn]

the guy

like because it's based on space marine the video game

in terms of how the anthology works

[tired cairn]

I wonder how many Ultramarines in random places are actually successor chapters that people can't tell apart

Also, space marines seem to love sending like 3 dudes somewhere

[unreal cosmos]

Too bad they're fun and easy to paint

[upper canopy]

I used to like Ultramarines

but having them be 99% of the only Marines we see no matter where or when any of the media takes place

is driving me absolutely insane

[tired cairn]

Yeah, that's fair

[unreal cosmos]

I'm going to be honest I do not see any good coming from contemplating the logistical justifications for the poster boys being on the posters

This is a setting where you can arrive somewhere before you left

[solemn gull]

I think they should kill a lot of marine characters imo, going from firstborn to primaris was supposed to be super dangerous but all these dudes made it through fine

[unreal cosmos]

Primaris doesn't matter, it's just an upscale

How did Mario survive getting turned 3D in Super Mario 64

[upper canopy]

Genome you have to admit that we have not had an era that's this singularly focused on a single chapter in a WHILE

This is a ridiculous overrepresentation

[solemn gull]

eh the whole "Cawl made the super powerful soldiers even superer and also moved imperial tech along a lot with enough that everyone can have grav tanks now."

[tired cairn]

It probably should have just been an upscale

Though I think making the squads more mono-equipment is probably good from a "being a 'beginner' army" perspective

[unreal cosmos]

https://youtu.be/x4oW6CzIsIE?si=_K4__CvUVTANk3e6 the first half of this spends some time covering "why didn't they just do X"

Not to say it was their ONLY option but I find it hard to believe they didn't spend time weighing the potential routes

[solemn gull]

I mean ragebait is dumb but there are plenty of legit reasons to not like the new designs

[tired cairn]

Is it because they could sell more models >.>

I think the upscaling looks good. Though part of that is new models generally look better because GW's plastic tech is a lot better than it was a decade or two ago

[unreal cosmos]

We haven't had an era with an equivalent amount of 40k media in a while if ever

[unreal cosmos]

Broadly speaking the video's point is "oh yeah it's fine to not like it but if you actively hate it eight years in you might just be stuck in a narrative intended to get views"

[solemn gull]

I'm not going to start liking it just because time passed?

[unreal cosmos]

It's not not liking it, it's HATING it. Do you really actively hate a toy?

[solemn gull]

I think all the primaris models are too smooth and lack gribbles or texture

[past sphinx]

Their extremely corporate looking warhammer models

Thats the word I think for a lot of them, corporate

[unreal cosmos]

Anyway to double back to the actual subject, GW is putting more weight than ever behind onboarding new fans, sticking their neck way into Normie Territory. I think it makes perfect sense for them to focus on the most recognizable guys in their brand.

I'm not saying i'm like "yeah, Ultramarines, about damn time" I just don't see why I should expect anything else

[past sphinx]

My gut says that people who would be interested in the modern marine aestetic would be less attracted to the game as a whole

[unreal cosmos]

I think that's silly, sorry

[past sphinx]

Probably

[solemn gull]

The last secret level episode was focused on a sister of silence and custodes so I do hope that marines don't take up the majority of screen time

for all of the new content that is

[past sphinx]

Space marine 2 has the very funny bit of starting as a sickass looking deathwatch marine then getting stripped back to the poster boys

Thats to be expected of course what with unlocks and such

[mild glen]

I was talking to a RL acquaintance who only knows a little bit about 40k and I had to explain to him the Ultramarines are not the better, stronger, smarter, faster version of space Marines (unless you asked an ultramarine)

[solemn gull]

the name doesn't do them much favour

[past sphinx]

I like ultras but I think they thrive in contrast to the setting not as the setting is in contrast to them

I don't like salamanders but I appreciate them in helsreach because they are so different in thought to the templars

[mild glen]

Ir feels like Ultramarines are to Space Marines as Space Marines are to the rest of the setting

Salamanders are fine and cool, but I really wish people didn't pretend they were the only Chapter that cared about Civilians. The Raven Guard is right there.

[pulsar cairn]

i just like that the salamanders feel human

being able to visit your family after becoming a marine is something i like

[solemn gull]

I think their heroicness is over-represented

[pulsar cairn]

are they the only ones who do that? they cant be right?

[solemn gull]

no they aren't but they are the big one

[past sphinx]

Lamenters and salamanders will lay down their lives in defense of civilians*

As long as those civilians skulls are within normative variants of the human variants

And you better not hope your some variety of abhuman

Or god forbid a beastmen

[solemn gull]

they have attacked worlds that began working with the tau

[pulsar cairn]

i like the space wolves honestly

think they might be my favorite loyalist chapter

used to be dark angels but someone ruined them for me

[past sphinx]

Wolves fist fighting the inquisition is dope

[paper bluff]

Malcador has van Gogh's Sunflowers in a status field. It stands to reason it's possible

Also the necrons could get it

[floral herald]

I like ultramarines but it makes it annoying for me that they’re the default because it means that their Weird Ultramarine Things get less attention

[mild glen]

I find that the Astartes in general are the least interesting faction in the setting and the Ultras are the least interesting version of the Astartes.

(Granted, a good deal of that is likely by design, in order to give you, the player, more space to write your custom stuff)

[tired cairn]

Hmm, who is the least weird marines?

[jaunty dawn]

chapter that are only a name, just by default

alternatively, crimson fists maybe, or imperial fists

[floral herald]

Honestly some of the ultramarine successors

Novamarines or praetors of orpheus or something

White Consuls

[jaunty dawn]

there are ultramarine successors whose whole deal is that they're ultramarines to an extent ultramarines find weird

[floral herald]

Aurora Chapter has a shot at it

[jaunty dawn]

white consuls are weird though

[past sphinx]

Genesis chapter?

[floral herald]

Are they?

I thought it was just the 2 chapter masters

[jaunty dawn]

yeah they have a whole thing about leading non marines don't they

though even that disqualifies one from least weird

[solemn gull]

space marines are at their best to me when they show up for like 10 minutes and then disappear off to do their own shit again

[floral herald]

https://fixupx.com/grahammcneill/status/1866548949668204684?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Shoot your shot king

[past sphinx]

Them fucking up the siege of vraks is peak

[meager quail]

Oh snap

[paper bluff]

Regular humans earning the respect of the high ranking space marine is pretty peak

[past sphinx]

Octarius telling Talos to go fuck himself in Nostraman while getting beaten to death and talos being so surprised he changes his mind is the best version

Nearly beaten to death for knocking up the ships navigator

God those books are good

[cinder wraith]

night lords

chainsword

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-faithful-godpiece-gif-26507185

[pulsar cairn]

ur a great painter

[uneven ember]

Aaahhh nice!

[pastel rampart]

The little arms have magnets on the wrist that allow for weapon swaps.

[pulsar cairn]

which one is that

killah can?

[pastel rampart]

Deff dread.

[pulsar cairn]

the ork is stuck inside forever right?

[pastel rampart]

Usually, yeah. And he's havin' a blast the whole time.

[pulsar cairn]

oh that's good

in one of the 40k card games the ork goes "i'z stuck inside of dis fing and that makes me mad!"

[tired cairn]

Anger is probably a positive emotion for an ork though

[pulsar cairn]

true

[raw vessel]

I thought they put grots in them, who have a great time killing all their bullies before realizing they're stuck and in constant pain

[pastel rampart]

Grots are in killa kans.

[past sphinx]

Gunner HEAT, PC! but for grot tanks

A man can dream

[silk verge]

I painted one fucking tank and now batch painting infantry is like putting myself in the femur breaker

[uneven ember]

has to be, right?
MORON LOBBY painted on the back
the Snakebites symbol is already pretty close to No Steppy Snek

[glass totem]

i think the actual issue with primaris marines is they kind of change the vibe of the faction and infringe on some other factions, uh, territory
for the first point, for example, very specialised squads and grav-tanks is more the Eldar's cup of tea
for the second one, I felt the SM were better thematically when they felt more flexible and the advanced weaponry they had felt rarer- it fits the general sort of idea that the Imperium is decaying, and its super soldiers with it

(there's also the fact I think that the Space Marines roster is kinda oversaturated, but they are GW's cash cow, so)

[unreal cosmos]

Honestly there are less factions that don't have multiple specialized squads than do

I really don't accept the Aspect Warrior argument anymore

But I do invite you to watch the video

[glass totem]

Fair enough, I do like Arbiter Ian's takes generally, so I'll take a look at some point

[glass totem]

The main issue I have is how many the faction has now

although that might be my latent Xenos-player frustration lmao

at least the Necrons got an edition to shine, and a few nice new models

[floral herald]

The specialist squads thing kinda bugged me until I realized that it's because:

• they're legion era formations and the legions fielded a lot of squads like this
• they're similarly tactically inflexible like the legions of old because Primaris marines are mostly scrubby legionaries not Elite Astartes like modern firstborn

[unreal cosmos]

"I don't like Space Marines in general" is the most legitimate argument against Primaris, to me

[floral herald]

And the Primaris Project was started before Codex reforms really kicked off

[bright dove]

Took a good 10k years to get the marginal progress a Primaris is over a Space Marine, yeah.

[unreal cosmos]

At risk to my own argument I feel like these are partially dampened by the fact that "modern firstborn" are on their way out, to the point where Primaris units can easily be assumed to be Rubicon-ed or fresh initiates rather than unfozen test tube babies

[floral herald]

Yeah this is more of a thing contemporaneous to their introduction

"Primaris Tactical Marines" ought to exist by now

[glass totem]

Well, there is that, but I didn't really want to make that point because it felt kind of cheap (to me)

[floral herald]

(And sort of do because of cross training but can't be fielded mixed)

[unreal cosmos]

To back up, again his main argument isn't really "these guys are great really," it's "aesthetics and rules change for good or ill, actually getting worked up over this might be something more easily attributed to click-mongers than the actual thing"

[glass totem]

I think they're an interesting concept, I just don't really like how it's been executed, if that makes sense

[glass totem]

I will give it a look though

[unreal cosmos]

I just think that most of the interesting takes were probably fielded in the first year or two

I get some people don't like em but. I haven't been interested to hear why for a while.

I'm in a Horus Heresy server. I've seen Primaris gripes you couldn't believe.

[thin ibex]

Popping in to say the secret level warhammer episode was cool, sorry for tangent

[glass totem]

I liked it, it was alright

[unreal cosmos]

It looked like some good Astartes(the animation)-style stuff

[glass totem]

Yeah, had that vibe I liked so much in Astartes

anyway, yeah, I'm not going to complain about lore- mainly because the lore is always flexible, and as I said, I like the Primaris concept, but I am kind of in the camp that they need to stop adding so many models, since there's been a lot of releases and SMs have a lot of focus already (+stuff I mentioned earlier)

or at least pay attention to factions with ah, less focus

thankfully, it does seem like Tyranids might be getting some nice stuff with 10e

[floral herald]

This is however literally the extranarrative point of Primaris haha

Making the most popular faction easier to add models to

[glass totem]

True, fair enough

[thin ibex]

I think they will always release more sm than other factions. As a tau main I can sympathize with this gripe, but if one worth getting used to

As long as they're the most popular that's how it'll be

[floral herald]

I kinda prefer it to the old method of "wow look at the Scrimblius Pattern Bimbler, a thing which has always been around" for a bunch of weird vehicles though

[glass totem]

Yeah, I'd also argue it was implemented better than the old method

And, on this topic, I do like a lot of the Cawl stuff, incidentally. Genefather and The Great Work were nice reads

[glass totem]

I mean, yeah, the Space Marine is the face of 40k, it is how it is (occassional griping aside lmao)

anyways, minor griping over
I like Starshatter Arsenal, as a man who has TOO MANY Necron vehicles

This is nice, I do enjoy some Vehicle buffs

grotmas was good this year

praise be

shame it doesnt affect the Seraptek though

poor thing gets left out of a lot of armies lmao

If I can find a game this winter, I might build a army with this for it

[thin ibex]

I think my favorite thing about the secret level 40k episode is thar it depicts how fast the space marines are

[pale narwhal]

it's forge world, that's par for the course tbh

[pale narwhal]

dataslate is out

some very interesting changes in there. SM got some nerfs, some buffs (notably all AoC type strats got a nerf to only working for one activation rather than per phase, and a bunch of datasheets got a glowup)

[desert jay]

Oh, GSC's Cult Ambush is no longer random

[pale narwhal]

Sisters and GSC got hit pretty hard- GSC was more of a retuning I think, but miracle dice got a pretty overt nerf

Some really interesting datasheet changes for marines. All combat knives got -1 ap, reivers got an OC-affecting rule, so many more

[mental birch]

1k points game of conquest

Hehehehe

[jaunty dawn]

beeg

[tired cairn]

Oh. They made 3" deep strike 6". My poor Trygon. It was already cursed by the dice gods

Please note that one of the changes in the Company of Hunters Detachment for the Dark Angels contains an error: the change is meant to affect the Mounted Strategist enhancement rather than Master of Manoeuvre. This error will be corrected in January.

I wonder what the pipeline is like such that this will take until January

[pale narwhal]

It seems like it’d be an easy pdf edit, yeah

Sternguard are looking juicy. Full reroll to wound against oath target now

[desert jay]

PDF and I assume also app stuff

[tired cairn]

Oh, OoM adds one to the wound roll if you bring only codex compliant marines. That seems pretty good

[glass totem]

Possibly everyone's off over Christmas, so they've moved errata updates to January?

[upper bluff]

Kastellan Robots cost less : ) I'm also happy for Genestealers and Codex Space Marines

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/oldhammered.bsky.social/post/3lcxjjadpo22o

OldHammered (@oldhammered.bsky.social)

Remembering Mark Copplestone’s intrepid Rhino Marines, as featured in White Dwarf 103 from July 1988. “A startling new range of Space Marines, especially posed for use with the Rhino and other vehicles from Citadel.” Just £2.50 per crew, including a hatch converter. Chapter approved.

Bluesky · Dec 10, 2024, 3:09 PM

[spice flicker]

Interesting change with the chaos knightw

[floral herald]

What changed for CK?

[paper bluff]

Did they just change the berserker's blade back to what it was?

[glad spear]

I wish we got more space marine chapter attention in the other media besides the tabletop

I am happy with how SM2 is doing their chapter themed DLC

[pastel rampart]

It would be nice to have an SM video game that's not the boys in blue for the nth time.

[glad spear]

If they want to stick with the "imperium feel good good guy type" salamanders and raven guard are right there

A grimdark game playing as a space marine would be cool too

[pastel rampart]

Or even just another outing with the Blood Ravens.

Maybe a new DoW that isn't disappointing. Or just a 3rd person action game, I'd be cool with more SM2-likes.

I still say a Soulsborne game where you're playing an Eldar Phoenix Lord would whip ass. Perfectly cromulant reason for returning from the dead over and over.

[plucky token]

Oh, that actually sounds like an awesome idea, yeah

[paper bluff]

Alternative idea. Knight pilot game

[upper bluff]

Tau Battlesuit movement shooter is right there

[paper bluff]

Get the titan fall teams on it

[paper bluff]

It would have to be a gue'va pilot. Which as a story of the first human battlesuit pilot, I'd be very interested in

[bright dove]

But Fire Warrior failed

[glad spear]

A Tau game in general would cook

[paper bluff]

"Why does the pilot have to be human" Look, with marketing its either faceless or human protagonist, I'd love a xenos one but I don't think GW would do it

Imagine a Trayzn stealth game

[bright dove]

GW did do it: Nobody bought it.

Like, there was a FPS Tau game

[tired cairn]

Wasn't it not great?

[tepid stratus]

It was also mid and you where an infantryman in the Gundam faction

Let me pilot battlesuits damnit!

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/doxl2avk/the-ecstatic-epistle-immaculate-armaments-of-agony/

[bright dove]

It was not good, but that doesn't change that GW tried it.

[junior robin]

even more teasing

[bright dove]

He'll, Speed Freaks came out this year too

[tired cairn]

Speed Freaks was decent

Less racing than I inititally expected though lmao

[floral herald]

Just post the models augh

I wonder if they’ll get a kill team tie in

[pastel rampart]

GW I swear to god if you don't give us DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM RIDER then we riot

[floral herald]

Noise marines going for the giant fucking cannon sounds cool

[tired cairn]

I hope they get an axe

[tepid stratus]

I'm still holding out hope for a Phoenix spear

[glad spear]

I want another Tau game

AC but fighting dreadnoughts

[paper bluff]

There was also blood and teef

But counter to that. Orks are silly little guys so I think GW plays looser

[glad spear]

They're in it for the thrill of the game

[tired cairn]

I like how the dataslate nerfed armor of contempt, but the new space marine detachment does not yet reflect that nerf

I wonder how much GW leans on people to do Ultramarines versus other stuff. I thought they gave a relatively free hand to people

[jaunty dawn]

dawn of war was one of the biggest like, lisenced franchises and didnt have ultramarines at all

i think the brand recognition is basically what its about. ppl see blue space marine

[tired cairn]

Tankbustas got a stealth update in the app. Looks like the wreckka crew is the new tankbustas:

[jaunty dawn]

i think in space marine 2 and secret levels case its just down to the decision being made for the original space marine game

yeah they can be built as wreckas, tankbustas, or as a mix for (optimal) kill team

with wreckas basically just taking the melee tankbusta options and making it its own squad

[tired cairn]

It's interesting that they are making a bunch of the chapter-specific characters giving an army wide rule. It's kind of a backdoor chapter specific rule

Oh wow. Reivers got -1 OC and it doesn't stop at 1. Are they actually good now? And I wonder if this is an oversight

[pale narwhal]

Seems intentional to make them see some use along with -1 ap on their combat blades

[tired cairn]

Oh, huh, I thought it was a normal restriction, but Skitarii Vanguard work that way too

[pale narwhal]

There are some interesting changes for sure (and a lot of points hikes for buffed SM units, Heavy Intercessors got a pretty big points jump, in particular)

Guilliman went up 60. Which is. A lot

[pastel rampart]

There's a long history of that happening in 40k, and it kind of sucks because it means you have to take those specific characters if you want your army to feel like the chapter it should.

[tired cairn]

Yeah, that part is annoying.

[pale narwhal]

Tbf right now no codex marines get chapter tactics

(Which sucks for its own reasons)

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, that sucks and it would be pretty easy for GW to make chapter tactics. It's not like they don't have decades of experience or anything to pull from.

[tired cairn]

Kill Team style Chapter Tactics instead of Oath of Moments would have been cool

[paper bluff]

I wonder if auspex tactics has a video out already yet

[tired cairn]

Surprisingly, no

Art of War did live streams of it

[desert jay]

Gosh “Doom Rider but he has a headless horseman thing going on” would be a cool update

[tired cairn]

Oh, the points changes now includes the magnitude of change. There was much rejoicing

[soft willow]

Flames shooting out of the gorget of the armor riding the bike, Creepy demon face on the front of the bike since it's in charge now.

[thin ibex]

iirc we recently did get a Salamander MC in a warhammerTV show, and there was a game where you pilot a knight for the phone. Admittedly not equal in volume to UM stuff, but at least does exist currently

[jaunty dawn]

psyker detach is funnn

gravis librarian when

interesting genre of detachment as well I think

kinda going harder on psychic than previously almost. plus a return to psychic powers costing points haha

[spice flicker]

Played a 1000 points game against a friend with drukhari the other day. He brought in a trio of reapers, 2 ravagers, a tantalus, some kabalites, and a squad of scourages against my knight abominant, Stalker, and desecrator. All that heavy firepower just made the battle feel pretty much like a miserable slog to get through. Only reason I wasn't tabled by turn 3 was by getting lucky one turn with the 4++ strat and my knight abominant was hidden away turn 1.

Should have brought more war dogs but yeah that was a brutal battle.

Managed to take down a reaper and the tantalus but the 2++ on his Archon let him tank literally everything the stalker threw at it for long enough that the dark lances and similar weapons obliterated it.

[tired cairn]

Unfortunately the big Knights are a bit meh right now. Moreso for chaos. I think it's pretty common to only wardogs

I think Knights are going to be particularly weird at 1k points though

A 2+ invul seems incredibly annoying

[tepid stratus]

It's a gimmick, Archaon's lose the invuln as soon as they fail a save

[tired cairn]

That's actually hilarious

Sometimes GW makes minor but incredibly flavorful rules

[paper bluff]

Oh like the banna-wava

[tepid stratus]

The what?

[paper bluff]

The gaz gretchin

[tepid stratus]

Oh makari

[paper bluff]

Yeah

[rocky shale]

No agents changes oof

[tepid stratus]

The vindicaire went down 25pts

[spice flicker]

With every dataslate that passes, the more thankful I am that I didn't commit the agents in the crusade I'm in.

[polar crag]

Looks like Guard got hit pretty hard

[tepid stratus]

My list went up 90pts

It's not that bad

I'm cutting a field ordinance battery

[tired cairn]

Only as an ally...

[tired cairn]

I suspect GW doesn't care about them as a competitive army...

And quite possibly doesn't want them to be competitive

[rocky shale]

I mean they have higher WR than GK

I imagine is more that they fairly recently got thier codex

[floral herald]

N=27 army though

[polar crag]

I figured the entire point of Agents was for allies and to give stats to random kill team models

[soft willow]

Agents have a couple of decent ways to go, and work in competitive.

They have some pretty glaring weaknesses though, points changes won't fix that nor do I think they need it.

People have had fairly good runs both with Imperialis Fleet and with Ordo Xenos.

[rocky shale]

It was originally but then they gave them a whole codex

[rocky shale]

I really just wish they had anti-tank without running knights, then I'd be happy

A land raider would fix them lol

[rocky shale]

The bravest warriors of the inquisition

[soft willow]

Agreed that they need something in the anti-tank realm to be reliable but they work as is.

[past sphinx]

boy they really have beaten warp talons with the nerf stick over and over

[tired cairn]

I didn't realize GK was doing so bad. Though I know some people think the new detachment is cracked

Warp Talons and Trygons got hit by a nerfbat aimed at other units

Did warp Talons at least go down in points?

[floral herald]

Fr though the player base is tiny but not the number of games played

[topaz hinge]

Aquilons got comically overnerfed

Stone unplayable now

[rocky shale]

The people running it pre codex were the real lunatics. No detachment, no enhancements.

[topaz hinge]

Hope you enjoyed breaking Hivestorm boxes to paint up 22 models for two months

[rocky shale]

Well that's because everyone already bought them

[topaz hinge]

3" -> 6" deep strike
AND only on your own movement phase
AND you still can't charge
AND +20 points

[rocky shale]

The deep strike change is game-wide, the other two are how deep strike has always worked.

+20 points is rough

[topaz hinge]

You used to be able to rapid ingress close with the aquilons

[topaz hinge]

Any one of these not happening could've meant that they still could've seen some niche play

[rocky shale]

I mean they couldn't charge before

And idk why you would want to charge them

[tired cairn]

They still do a lot of damage right? But you can't use them for really annoying charge blocks or objective theft

[rocky shale]

I think you could still rapid ingress a 9" deep strike since they still have the rule

Just not at 6"

[tired cairn]

Yeah, but the 3" rapid ingress was why they were OP

[rocky shale]

Yeah now they just seem like a reasonably shooty deep strike unit

I don't see them being bad

[polar crag]

10 aquillons is still slightly cheaper than 10 scions

[pale narwhal]

the deepstrike change really messed up the tau ret cadre stratagem bc now it's 2cp for a 6" deepstrike (so we don't get the ap benefit of our detachment rule)

better to rapid ingress now tbh, hide the crisis suits away and move in

[floral herald]

This is a funny balance pass for me because I think CSM got… a small buff to the chaos predator annihilator

And no other changes which aren’t system changes

[topaz hinge]

To contest an objective

[topaz hinge]

The 10 points saved is vastly wasted by the gulf in firepower between scions and aquilons. 6" deep strike with all those restrictions doesn't really do anything that meaningful

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/101ho_/status/1866830300279607337?t=MXAByI1btPVMXjonBA9oVQ&s=19

[misty violet]

I will admit I'm mostly not a huge fan of this recent update overall but as an Iron Hands/IH Successor player the buffs to heavy intercessors and Feirros feel so good

[brittle salmon]

Why's that

[misty violet]

Well a couple of the nerfs feel either unnecessary or like they're not quite hitting what the issues are for certain factions, and in a similar vein while some of the buffs feel good some of them feel like theyre missing the issues with the factiona they're addressing as well. The two big stand outs to me are respectively the nerfs to Lord Solar and the buffs to War Dogs for chaos knights. The DEldar nerfs also feel a little off the mark, they seemed to have been doing fine but not incredibly strong

Wrt to the Lord Solar specifically I feel like rather than nerfing him they probably ought to have either changed his ability entirely or made it less exclusive to him

He's been essentially a tax on the faction

And this might change that a little bit but it also doesn't give the guard anything to offset it

And with Chaos Knights they buffed the more poorly performing war dogs but the crux of the issue with them for quite a while has been the fact that war dogs are already just more efficient and reliable than the actual knights

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lpzqdwbk/grotmas-calendar-day-12-the-naughty-list-beckons/
guess who’s back lol

[misty violet]

So now there's just more options to use war dogs instead of the knights

[paper bluff]

Yooo

[desert jay]

Diabolic Regen seems... really mediocre

Recover 1 destroyed model, or 1d3 models if battleline

Congrats on rolling well and getting 3 legionnaires

Oh wait Oblits are infantry, nevermind it's good actually

[mental birch]

Fabulous Bill's science project

[desert jay]

It's a whole science fair

[spice flicker]

"Grotmas, of course, shows us that there’s no such thing as too much of a good thing, which is why we have two Detachments tomorrow. We’ve looked into the future and seen that the Aeldari are next. Farseers might be famously hard to get presents for… but they’ve planned for this."

So are eldar getting 2 detachments or just one and the 2nd is a mystery?

[desert jay]

I'm guessing 1 CWE detach and 1 Harlequin detach

[floral herald]

https://fixupx.com/vezimira/status/1866976783977025901?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[polar crag]

This seems really good

Perfect for people that love rng, but even if you only pick 1 instead of rolling 2 it seems very strong

[jaunty dawn]

ratling and ork profiles are out too

for 40k

[tired cairn]

"no such thing as too much of a good thing" makes me think Dark Eldar as the second detachment

[floral herald]

New detachment which brings back 10e release Eldar with splash art of Asurmen dunking a basketball over Guilliman

[paper bluff]

Imagine an powerful ynnari detachment

[rocky shale]

Detachment than makes mortals spill over again lol

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/dontevilonme-gif-4798053

[tired cairn]

Oh, Bile apparently stole 9th edition Drukhari's combat drugs

[tired cairn]

Oh, you can also use the previous strat to potentially kill a model and then use regenerate to get 4+" closer for charges if you have 3cp to burn

[deft crest]

Finished the Infinite and the Divine audiobook. Convinced me to preorder the rebox of the necron killteam, Anyone know a good audiobook for Orks?

[tepid stratus]

Brutal Kunnin

[rocky shale]

Just built that kill team in #1171221956775907408, make sure to subassembly the big guy and his spider

[paper bluff]

What's that book that says Gaz is non-binary?

Warboss?

[thin ibex]

is it the one where the orks dont really get the whole concept of sexangender?

[paper bluff]

Yep

[past sphinx]

you know i dont think ive ever seen the more photorealistic transfers from HH look good on something

their always have like odd lighting on the transfer itself

[jaunty dawn]

you're 'meant' to apply a matt varnish over transfers for that reason

also protects the transfer but yeah

(inverted commas cause you can do what you want obv, but it's standard good practice imo)

um. but yeah I do kinda agree with the super detailed stuff

I think partially it's a matter of needing a certain level of fine painting for it to not look kinda odd

[past sphinx]

no i mean baked directly into the super detailed ones

hang on

[jaunty dawn]

like these ones

the very rendered stuff

[jaunty dawn]

vs solid colour

[past sphinx]

yeah rendered is the perfect word

you can paint with depth but they very much dont read like something thats painted

artifical might be another

[jaunty dawn]

yeah stylistically I'm very unconvinced by them

but I think the very finely detailed transfer thing comes from scale modelling?

cause like, tiny model of a very big thing, even something relatively simply done can look impossibly detailed once it's in scale

and so it's like, unless you're achieving that same authenticity with like, super tiny edge highlights/chipping as well as gradients on panels n such

the level of detail ends up incongruous

but the background of the ppl at fw were people who tried to go for that so

but is very much not the style of gw or the general warhammer community

[past sphinx]

aw man reminds me when gw made brass upgrades

[jaunty dawn]

brass stuff is cool yeah

kinda a similar thing with the old transparent green bits in the necron range

which like, I do miss it from a nostalgia standpoint but it was really difficult to get it to look good

or rather like, stylistically consistent

oh ooh

this is a pretty dope approach

(conversion work is also wildly good though damn..)

https://robhawkinshobby.blogspot.com/2020/09/modeling-tutorial-converting-gauss.html

[past sphinx]

green plastic tubes just live rent free in my mind

little lego lightsaber blades

[jaunty dawn]

yesss

[past sphinx]

and somehow they all had bubbles

every damn one

[past sphinx]

one armor panel down

many more to go

[jaunty dawn]

sick

[pastel rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/314105909875834881/1316944071394197514/i8zdqv4vcg6e1.png?ex=675ce33e&is=675b91be&hm=75ef1dac2945f1dd8f84e0abbb8779d19dddfd04020654a13dd02aedac3ef2eb&

[past sphinx]

Game awards bricky jumpscare

my mans also looks nice as hell when his forehead isnt directly angling light into the camera

[brittle salmon]

We are born under the gaze of the god-machines. They are teacher, protector. Their lessons are harsh, cruel; our weak are theirs.

Under their gaze, our voices thunder. Our hands cut and thread and seal. By these rites do we carve ourselves into bolt, shell, canister. Our toil is theirs.

Under their gaze, we march. Under his gaze, we sing. Ours is a chorus of blade and bullet, but to the god-machines, it is nothing; theirs is a grand choir of absolute obliteration. Bolt, shell, canister vaporize metal, grind bone into mill. Our blood is theirs.

Under their gaze, we are chattel. When the gnats grow fierce, our soul-bond flays our mortal shells. We inhabit bolt, shell, canister. Our blood seeps into melta and shot. Our wrath burns into powder. Every detonation screams our devotion into the ranks of the Corpse God.

Our souls are theirs. Our souls are his. Glory to Khorne! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! EMBRACE US, O GOD-MACHINES! WE ARE YOUR BRASS AND POWDER AND SHOT! LET OUR CHOIR DROWN THE WORLD IN HOLY FIRE!```

little fluff piece I wrote for some Iconoclast Fiefdom CK

[paper bluff]

May I offer up lore to my imperial knight fiefdom?

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2c53mlkj/grotmas-calendar-day-13-santas-larger-angrier-helpers/

This is fun

[floral herald]

Also yeah go for it

[paper bluff]

I don't know how to do that fancy text thing though

[floral herald]

Put ``` on both sides of the text

[south axle]

Instructions unclear

[paper bluff]

The House of Dread Love

In a time long ago when the God-emperor walked the galaxy,  our male sire fought met and bent the knee to him for the First Great crusade and fighting in many battles.

At the time of that great work, our great sire met his Queen. She fought with the God-Emperor's golden warriors and put fear into the hearts of all mere mortals around here. 

In time there was a love between them and she came to the house joining her dread-fill blood with his and she ruled as the first Voidqueen.

In recognition of our blood, we still fight with the God-emperor's golden warriors and those like our Voidqueen ```

Tl;Dr
a knight pilot during the great crusade fell in love with a sister of silence and she came with him when he returned to his house and from their joining, there a noble house came.

The still fight with the custodes sometimes due to this connection to the talons

There would also be a SoS coven on thier feudal world and the dread blood emerges the first of the generation becomes the voidqueen and leads the house.

Irl fun fact: king pellinore was of the line that would gaurd the holy grail.

In the case of House Pellinoir, they too gaurd a grail, blood that regularly has Blanks

[tired cairn]

@desert jay looks like we were both correct for who the second detachment would be for 😆

[thin ibex]

so for orks, deff dreads arent... all that great in my experience, but im trying to think of what they'd need to be really worthwhile

[jaunty dawn]

its vespid tiiiiiiiime

pathfinders are Concerned

[spice flicker]

Why does the dark eldar new detachment feel like the DE just got a mini game to play during the game?

[tired cairn]

Because they did

[jaunty dawn]

because having a mini game is peak game design

[tired cairn]

Oh weird. Taking Druhkeri in an Eldar list with yvraine is technically a part of the Battle Host detachment and not an army rule? I wonder if that will change in the codex

[rocky shale]

I'm sure it will

Also the DE detachment let's you deepstrike a block of 12 clowns + troupe master

[tired cairn]

It's possible they will limit the Yvraine thing to its own detachment

[grand vigil]

I just saw the Joytoy Imperial Knight

It's 700 dollars but jfc it's toddler sized and prepainted

It looks really good

I absolutely love it

[paper bluff]

You could play that ad a cheap warlord titan proxy

[grand vigil]

The fact that cheap warlord titan is a sentence is a concerning concept, GW how much is a titan

[paper bluff]

Ehehehahhaha