Warhammer and Such

[pulsar cairn]

Like

It seems that every necron who's aware of themselves is deeply troubled for what was taken from them

[thin ibex]

Kind of a perspective question

[uneven ember]

Blessed Is The Mind Too Small Fot Doubt, after all

...wait

is "no thoughts head empty" part of the Imperial Creed

[tired cairn]

I think basically yeah

[sonic hare]

the implicit uwu though? that's heresy

I mean it is 40k if you live and can think and reason for yourself you are deeply troubled

and a mindless automaton doesn't have any "you" to speak of

so would you rather suffer in the grim dark future where there is only war or not exist at all

[pulsar cairn]

honestly....i dont think i would like to exist in such a reality....

[runic swallow]

You don’t want to be one of countless billions, subject to the bloodiest regime mankind has ever known?

[wintry mist]

I love this line

"The Imperium isn't that bad in most places, they're just regular imperial words"

The literal text in question. Not subtext, but actual text:

also the majority of humans live on hiveworlds, even if the majority of planets are not hiveworlds

[untold swallow]

https://bsky.app/profile/bitshammer.bsky.social/post/3lc444osapc2g

Bits (@bitshammer.bsky.social)

Bluesky · Nov 29, 2024, 5:28 PM

So my partner just sent me this meme and

sweats in it being the meme form of my planned Wrath & Glory plot

[silk verge]

wip chimera

[past sphinx]

oh thats a mint scheme right there

[paper bluff]

So fun (not fun, it's actually quite disturbing) about necron warriors. It's kinda implied that the person that the necron was, personality, all that, is IN the necron warriors but with how the programming is, due to their satus they're not allowed to have that. to let them be themselves again, a lord would just need to take off those mental shackles off the commoner

[dense idol]

on the topic of necron warriors

you have the option from the sprue of building them with either gauss flayers or gauss reapers, and i might just be dumb, but the reapers seem objectively worse on all metrics?

oh, i see, armour piercing is actually recorded backwards from what would be intuitive

how good of a deal is half of the range for an additional armour piercing?

[hushed kayak]

i remember when reaper was S5 that was funny

[jaunty dawn]

not necessarily super significant but each extra point of ap is better than the last against high armour save targets

iirc

plus small boards the lack of range isn't necessarily very significant

[dense idol]

this assembled set i got from ebay already has half and half

so i guess assemble these ones half and half again? could have a unit of each, or keep the mix for both

[jaunty dawn]

I think it's the sort of thing that people don't really pay attention to to be totally honest

[dense idol]

also true

[jaunty dawn]

like you can just go 'all my warriors are x'

[dense idol]

i think it would be a fairly convincing proxy argument either way

[jaunty dawn]

and there's the old trope that any non-imperial faction the majority wouldn't spot the difference anyway

[dense idol]

also true 😔

[floral herald]

AP is a strong stat but 12” guns need a delivery device

Ghost ark/monolith/funny airplane/etc

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gnz6ekx8/grotmas-calendar-day-1-grandfather-nurgle-brings-gifts/

nice, death guard detachment that ||gives all infantry scout 5 and stealth||

[jaunty dawn]

neat!

[junior robin]

and tomorrow is ||dark angels||

[jaunty dawn]

oh rejuvenating swarm is wild

[mild glen]

Hoping against all reason: I want the Astartes detachment to be Blood Ravens

[floral herald]

Damn yeah

[mental birch]

Yesss

[pale narwhal]

Yeah that’s like. Obscenely good on say, a terminator character.

[mild glen]

Wild that Death Guard got a strategem from a T'au Combat Patrol.

[past sphinx]

I found the double cerastus box for 240 and by God I am excited

Bounding across the trench lads

[tired cairn]

Would their detachment rule be they get to use enhancements from any other space marine detachment?

I hope they add these bonus detachments to the app (they might have, apps can be finicky about updating)

[mental birch]

They will

In january

[tired cairn]

A strategem that gives all your weapons pistol is pretty funny

[desert jay]

Now I wonder how fast Waha is gonna put these up this month

[tired cairn]

Advent calendar implies once a day (with a few days getting more than one)

[jaunty dawn]

wahapedia she means

[tired cairn]

Oh. Lol that makes more sense

[mild glen]

Right? T'au get it in a combat patrol, but if any faction is going to train footsoliders on how to use their long guns in melee, it's T'au.

[jaunty dawn]

tau have had it

just not rn in mainline

they get it in kill team and it scary :(

[floral herald]

true

All the shoot into melee moves are scary

(I think there's just tau and cops who get stuff like it though)

[jaunty dawn]

but ftr the original use longarms as pistol were space wolves

[floral herald]

I think Grey Knights had it almost as long too

[mild glen]

I want to respond to the assault Intercessors charging into my infantry squad with "Oh, wow, you killed a couple of us. Ouch. Anyway, 21 S6, AP1 shots into your dudes, hitting on 2s..."

[jaunty dawn]

it honestly just feels really bad as the melee player though xP

especially if you have to eat overwatch as well

overwatch is very different now though

[mild glen]

Overwatch! The one strat my newbie ass remembers exists consistently

[jaunty dawn]

it's a very good one

[mild glen]

I'm working on remembering tank shock and grenades

[tired cairn]

Yeah, lol. Part of the point of getting into melee is so you can't shoot my guys!

[floral herald]

Maybe Tau can get that "I lied, everything bad about the ethereals was true" detachment so they can shoot into melee when its auxiliaries and Ethereals give Fearless not LD9

[past sphinx]

Fusion blade detachment

[mild glen]

Gods, that would be awful.
Just. Like. Armoured Interdiction Cadres, please?

(Evil ethereals, not fusion blades)

[jaunty dawn]

yeah tank detach would be nice

[floral herald]

Yeah that would be nice

[mild glen]

I think the Tau subreddit has been mostly predicting/wishing for tanks or stealth

My pipe dream is Gue'vasa, but my more realistic pick is tanks

[pulsar cairn]

[past sphinx]

I hope for some proper first heretics for csm

[floral herald]

Something kinda like the old supplement black legion could be fun yeah

[tired cairn]

Maybe they will give Tyranids a more shooty focused detachment. Not sure what else they would get

[past sphinx]

Let the word bearers 3 inch deep strike possessed

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/articles/qlu1xaks/sunday-preview-kill-team-gets-brutal-and-cunning/

yooooooo

also some terrain I guess

[desert jay]

Darkmech!... for LI

[floral herald]

They do look pretty dope

[mild glen]

I am....so very tempted to get that new KT set.

[floral herald]

saame

[jaunty dawn]

im pretty into the terrain tbh

[mild glen]

I'm considering asking the LGS server if anyone just wants the Orks and would be willing to split costs

[solemn gull]

The terrain is really cool and I would love some more ratling sculpts for my necromunda ratling uprisings gang

[jaunty dawn]

i like some of the ratling models a bunch but ten of them...so many...

so probably gonna just pick up the terrain down the line

[floral herald]

The expansion box terrain might be a while to come out unless you get it 3rd party

[jaunty dawn]

mm

tbf my parent might be interested in the whole box themselves between orks and the terrain

[floral herald]

I don't think any of the BD terrain has come out on its own

But it might just be really slow

[jaunty dawn]

uh

i dont remember for beta garmon yeah

[floral herald]

A lot of the BD stuff didn't even get standalone releases until this edition launch so it not releasing doesn't necessarily mean it won't ever

/cope

(I am still a little hurt that KT Nightmare sold out everywhere before I could get it without paying scalped prices)

[jaunty dawn]

oh wait

beta garmon is a heresy thing

bheta decima is the water place dbsjdbd

still tempted to pick that up at some point

oil rig skirmish is cool

[floral herald]

I of course got it wrong anyway with Bheta Hecima or something

BD is a really fun board now that they fixed the obscuring issues it had

[jaunty dawn]

games workshop nowadays is all about beta decima beta garmon. because of woke

[tranquil ivy]

I am pulling a crazy move

Im gonna try getting some horus heresy legion infantry

Despite being a 40k player

Because funny enough i can technically get 10 assault intercessors with jump packs by just using horus heresy kits

[jaunty dawn]

they're pretty fun and different :)

and that's not a bad reason too haha

they're a little short but same base etc

[floral herald]

It's Sigma Decima when I play 😤

[tranquil ivy]

Plus in the lore they're from the horus heresy, and time travel shenanigans brought them to the 41st milennia soooo

[floral herald]

I've seen people do that to spice up CSM bodies

It's cool

[tranquil ivy]

Im gonna make a Vulkan mini which, instead of being the primarch, is gonna be my own fancy fella

Someone clad in MKVI armor

[jaunty dawn]

the chest plate on the mk6 jump marines is also really cool

as well as mk6 jump pack being great

[tranquil ivy]

Yuh

Plus i could get a MK6 command squad

They have swords and shield

Change the bases and I have bladeguard veterans

With extra bodies for kitbashing later on

Plus i just love the cone noses

[pale narwhal]

I’m doing the same thing! Mk6 tacticals for intercessors (melee upgrade kit for 10x assault intercessors), assault squad for jump pack intercessors. Just gonna boost their base height a little, its not a massive issue imo

[mild glen]

Honestly, some of the Emperor's Children swordsmarines look pretty great. I hope they get 40k models with the codex.

Maybe I just like the blade styles themselves.

[floral herald]

no those guys are cool

[mild glen]

Gib Glaives, GW

[pulsar cairn]

loyalist emperor's children looked so cool

[tranquil ivy]

It took me way too long to figure out a color scheme for my marines honestly

And i'll be honest idek if it's a good color scheme ;-;

[floral herald]

I'm stoked for their new 40k stuff in like a month or two

[tranquil ivy]

I forgot my space marines have a protogen apothecary 💀

[pale narwhal]

Looks good to me! Could maybe use a wash to give some definition to all the metallics and allow you to get real nice shiny highlights.

(Plus itd bring out all the details)

[floral herald]

Metallics also benefit a lot from a little bit of edge highlighting in a lighter metal shade to look worn

[tranquil ivy]

Worst part is I actually DID put a wash on them. It's the first thing I do

Prime with Leadbelcher, paint with a layer of Nuln Oil

Well

On the dreadnought at least

I think i rushed the others so I could get them good enough for a base

But I put real love into that dread

And Kindle's getting the same treatment

[floral herald]

The dread looks cool I think the camera lighting is just really extreme

Which happens to like 80% of mini pics

[tranquil ivy]

Lemme try with LESS lighting

Im still getting used to painting, haha

I usually use a yellow-er light for it

[floral herald]

Oh yeah I can see the burished look now

[tranquil ivy]

Ballistus got a similar treatment, though i havent finished it yet.

Too bad the edge highlighting doesnt show up on this camera

[floral herald]

Yeah I can see that it's been done but that's it

[tranquil ivy]

Meh. Its whatevz

The paint job is a paint job, but i mainly worry over the color scheme itself, lmao

[floral herald]

word

I like the paint scheme it reminds me of... shoot what's the name

Iron Knights? Steel Confessors?

[tranquil ivy]

The idea is, as edgy as it may be, their armor has suffered so much damage from constant daemon attacks that they just leave the armor baremetal now. As for the pauldrons, they're painted with the blood of greater daemons that the chapter has slain.

[floral herald]

Cool looking studio army from the cities of death book

[tranquil ivy]

I got inspired from the Iron Warriors funnily enough.

The baremetal was epic.

Originally they had purple pauldrons but I chose red instead since it looked nicer

Hopefully in the future i can make em darker and grimdark-y. But until then the leadbelcher color is much quicker than painting their entire body by hand

[pale narwhal]

Leadbelcher is a solid metallic

[tranquil ivy]

I just found something on ebay

It's a Proxy, but it's still 1:1 scale

This thing is £140

A WARHOUND TITAN
FOR 140 QUID

For reference the Warhound's BODY on forge world is £500

Im so buying this

One day

[tired cairn]

The color scheme is good! What's nice is that the silver and gold (bronze?) are neutral colors, so basically any color works for the red bits

[tranquil ivy]

Mhm! Youre right there! I just had to figure out the color i was gonna use-

[tired cairn]

You might want a more extreme contrast for the edge highlighting if it is barely visible on camera? Usually cameras make that stuff more obvious. I'd ask someone irl if they notice it or not

(I had this problem where only I noticed my edge highlighting and none of my friends lmao)

[tranquil ivy]

Nah the edge highlighting looks nice irl

Its not TOO visible, but is still visible nontheless

(Khorne Red with Mephiston Red edge highlighting)

[past sphinx]

Over priced, you can buy a pla printer for that and make em for 30 bucks a pop

Source : me having made 4

[past sphinx]

Bought a rhino

For some reason ots very french

[past sphinx]

Actually I think they should be more french

Faction wide

[desert jay]

Make it a Sisters one so you can put a big ol fleur de lys on it

[jaunty dawn]

so speaking earlier/yesterday? about space wolves using bolters as pistols etc

its really funny how the explanation for the rule is just

not what pistol grip means dbdjdbdn

[pastel rampart]

What's great is that this just got superseded in 4th where every marine suddenly gained a bolt pistol anyway

[jaunty dawn]

yee

its messy

[floral herald]

Didn't it stick around because a lot of them didn't get a real CCW?

[jaunty dawn]

space wolves did

another fun thing ive found; the 3.5 version of chosen where it was like 'this is how many chosen you can get, assign to squads etc as you will'

is actually just a concept taken from wolf guard!

its how they worked in 2e and 3e

i think in 5e you take them as squads but can choose to break up a squad? then from like 7th they were purchased on the individual squads or as a group? got weird

now in 10e they're weird leader option

[floral herald]

I don't remember people taking Chosen as anything but squads in 5e

Or wait did you mean Wolf Guard there?

[pastel rampart]

I was about to say "since when did CSM Chosen get to be put into other units"

http://puu.sh/KjIsS/1407f140ce.jpg

They had a weird max number size which...didn't really happen with any other army!

Glad that didn't stick around.

[jaunty dawn]

it did! with wolf guard! first!

thats kinda what my messages were about haha

[pastel rampart]

See that message says "assign to squads" and I was wondering like, was this an update in chapter approved I just missed entirely or what lmao

[jaunty dawn]

in the case of chosen you could have one retinue and one unit

[floral herald]

Which codex is this?

[jaunty dawn]

and the shared maximum was split between them

which was what I was referring to

[pastel rampart]

CSM 3.5

[floral herald]

Ahh

I started playing a bit after their 4e codex release

[jaunty dawn]

but I also like, didnt entirely remember and wouldn't have it past. sm 3.5 to have let you upgrade champions to chosen, though idk if practically that would've even changed anything

[floral herald]

So I heard a lot of griping/reminiscing on how it was

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, which was not unusual at the time for an HQ choice--lots of SM had honor guard as a retinue.

[jaunty dawn]

thats

[floral herald]

Aspchamps were functionally chosen leading squads iirc

They may have been LD9

[jaunty dawn]

like yeah but veteran squads were just limited by force org

[pastel rampart]

Chosen and Wolf Guard were weird in that you had this max of models based on points or just fuckin', 20 wolf guard ever (which sucked for large points games)

[jaunty dawn]

so theres no connection there

[floral herald]

(I thought Chosen were only LD9 though so that may be an edition change)

[jaunty dawn]

like literally my whole point here is that the weird thing 3.5e did with chosen is something that was directly based on having first done it with space wolves

[pastel rampart]

I'm not discounting that, I was just confused because your message implied Chosen could be split up like Wolf Guard.

Like I think we're on the same page here.

[floral herald]

My recollection of CSM 4e chosen is that they were pretty much never taken

Just because terminators and possessed were competing for elites slots

[pastel rampart]

Oh yeah no 4e Chosen got nerfed to shit.

[floral herald]

I remember them being a pretty decent unit but outcompeted in slot

Oh I think cult marines may also have been elites?

I just remember elites for CSM being insanely contested

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KjIuo/9f591a85f3.png

The real play for Chosen was just jamming as many special weapons as you can and nuke a target. Treated exactly as you would Sternguard or vets with combi-weapons.

[floral herald]

Yeah they had infiltrate and a bunch of special weapons so they were pretty good at popping something expensive early

[pastel rampart]

You could fit 5 meltaguns in that unit if you really wanted a vehicle to just die.

[floral herald]

… but so were termicide squads

[pastel rampart]

Yeah the whole termie squad could get combi-weapons for 5pts a pop.

5-man chosen melta squad is 140; 5-man combi-melta termie is 175. The former has infiltrate, the latter has deep strike.

Realistically you're only getting one shot off with a melta anyway so being able to teleport next to an armor's weakest side and popping them like balloons was well worth the 25pt increase.

[floral herald]

Yeah

And then there’s also Plague Marines who were just a phenomenal anchor squad and chosen who were, iirc, basically genestealers in power armor

[jaunty dawn]

yeah they were crazy

[pastel rampart]

Chosen were broken as fuck in 3.5 and they massively overcorrected in 4th.

[tardy vault]

Just put my first army to hit 1k points in boxes and man that's way more than I expected
Like, I know how many models it is on paper
but it's different to have them all compiled like that
And I'm playing a relatively elitish list (36 points per model)
Just observations from someone compiling their first army

[past sphinx]

And now chosen are turbo mid

A more 7/10 unit i couldn't name

Wheres my fucking combi profile gw

Because anti infantry isn't why we take combis

[pale narwhal]

god I dislike how combi weapons are just. gone now

[past sphinx]

Reduced to atoms

Atleast let me choose the anti profile instead of two guns

[pale narwhal]

yeahh

anti-monster/vehicle would be nice even just to get volume fire on a big target

but that'd be fun even if it'd be broken so we can't have that

[past sphinx]

+2 anti infantry or 4+ anti vehicle/monster simple as

[pale narwhal]

honestly yeah

even get rid of dev wounds on them, they'd still be like. decent volume fire to punch up into tough stuff

[past sphinx]

The more I play with dev wounds the more I dislike them, especially in dark pacts

Throw a shitzillion dice at everything and hope to gamble enough sixes

It feels very gamey

I'm not empowered by beseeching eldritch powers for great and terrible abilities beyond the ken of man and plinking a bloodthirster to death with bolt pistols and a frag rocket!

[pale narwhal]

with higher-damage weapons it feels alright? getting two railgun dev wounds through on a norn emissary in the same turn was the highlight of my first game of 10e (11 and 12 damage respectively, too. The norn did uh. not survive)

but with infantry weapons it just feels weird

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bo59fcgg/grotmas-calendar-day-2-hark-the-dark-angels/

[upper bluff]

That's a cool detachment

[paper bluff]

Some one ping me when they get to imperial knights, custodes, world eaters, or necrons

[floral herald]

I agree

[tranquil ivy]

And how much does a 3d printer cost exactly?

[pulsar cairn]

Depends on the printer

[tranquil ivy]

I dont even HAVE anywhere that I could put a printer

So buying a Warhound would just be an easier investment

[past sphinx]

Your local library might have one you can use

Few parts at a time and boom

[tranquil ivy]

Funny enough we dont HAVE a local library

[floral herald]

I’m really interested to see the rules for the new ork KT, I think they might be the first non-space-marine elite KT

for this edition technically

[south axle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/i18ydqlu/ignore-the-dictates-of-mars-with-the-blasphemous-heretek/ love that we are getting models for a 2+ year old book

[pulsar cairn]

reminds me of quake

[floral herald]

More people should have a watch ur back bro

[pulsar cairn]

i can be ur watch ur back bro Cyan just get me a backpack where i can fit inside and some weapon

[south axle]

Very impressive melee weapons for a guy with 5+WS

[pastel rampart]

"Quaid! Start the reactor!"

[jaunty dawn]

tbf to atlas they did literally say 'you can buy a printer for [the same amount of money]'

ooh tyranids tomorro

[tranquil ivy]

There's still the process of getting the files, printing it, cleaning the resin, BUYING the resin, etc.

Its a process i'm not willing to do, and i'd rather buy a Warhound.

[pastel rampart]

It's not worth getting a printer for a single warhound titan.

It is worth it if you're printing a lot of stuff.

[tranquil ivy]

I only plan to buy a warhound.

[pastel rampart]

I'm aware, yes.

[tranquil ivy]

This one even comes cleaned and cured before being packaged which is nice

Damn i didnt realize Warhounds could run at 36 miles per hour.

They're speedy fuckers

[past sphinx]

They are scout titans

[tranquil ivy]

My point still stands

[past sphinx]

Scouts in the imperium filling many roles

Mostly that if your going to find the enemy you might as well wipe out the enemy while your there

[tranquil ivy]

Be me
Warhound titan
Called a "Scout" by the imperium
Have a simple job
Goes a little something like this

Scout ahead
Enemies in sight
Targetacquired.omif
Do they have a titan?
No
Fucking disintegrate them with heavy firepower
Problemsolved.omif

[past sphinx]

Helps warhounds have a very violent machine spirit as well

[pulsar cairn]

isnt the baneblade a scout tank?

like from the time humanity was super powerful?

[past sphinx]

Yes.

People cope and mald

[floral herald]

No

[past sphinx]

But YES

SCIUT WITH 300 TONS OF GUNS

LET IT ROLL

[floral herald]

No one has managed to produce an actual textual statement saying that - it’s a weird bit of fan lore

[past sphinx]

STEALTH BANEBLADE PAINTED ALL BLACK

[pulsar cairn]

oh

[past sphinx]

GIANT BATTLE CANNON SILENCER

(it comes from likely a misprint in the original 40k space marine i believe)

[tranquil ivy]

Honestly though if I play Horus Heresy i'd probably play Iron Warriors because IRON WITHIN. IRON WITHOUT.

[floral herald]

The video game or an older book?

[past sphinx]

The 8mm game

[floral herald]

Ahh

That could be it

I like the idea that it’s an in-universe belief a lot

“The past was so hardcore our strongest tank was a mere scout unit” ignoring the fact that the baneblade would be terrible for recon

Is very Imperium

[past sphinx]

I always liked the idea that most of the imperiums heavy equipment are just modified STC's for agriculture work

Short of something like landraiders

[paper bluff]

The knights were very much farming equipment and that is in lore

[soft willow]

Terraforming equipment anyway.

[paper bluff]

Considering the Castigator class titan weapons platform was the standard in DAoT it makes ~vague~ sense with the baneblade

[past sphinx]

Terminator suits are reactor suits iirc

A cat!

[mental birch]

I have a cursed thought

[jaunty dawn]

cat 2!!!

[mental birch]

The Bolter is the M113 of guns in the 40k universe

The Emperor was a Mike Sparks

[floral herald]

No, even with super good technology and manufacturing a giant fucking tank that can only hit 20 mph on a steep slope down with no advanced sensor package isn’t a good scout vehicle

But it’s very IOM to think so

[soft willow]

Same energy as the Steiner Scout Lance.

We have them, why not make them scout.

[mental birch]

Clearly tank duels was a thing in thr dark age

[past sphinx]

Maybe in the far past in turned invisible and flew and they had to take it out in 30k with them not being able to be built

[past sphinx]

A tank so big you can duel an entire blood line at once

[paper bluff]

Grav tanks are known

[floral herald]

That would be pretty funny actually

[past sphinx]

GRAV BLADE

[south axle]

Where are the pixels?

[bright dove]

Lost like so many other things from the DAoT

[paper bluff]

Had to camouflage against the abominable intelligences

One theory i kinda support is that the castigator was actually the AI control upper body module for the titans

[floral herald]

I’m confused by what relationship those images are supposed to show

[past sphinx]

The one on the right is a DAOT titan

And left is well our best walking church boy

[floral herald]

Ahh so it’s for scale?

[past sphinx]

Ye, though the book its from isnt great

It was infected by scrap code i think?

[paper bluff]

Scrap code/ became (? It's murky, this was made before the arkifane was a thing in lore) a daemon/ infected by the warp

I still really really wonder how DAoT AI become chaos corrupted cause there are uncorrupted versions still out there

[floral herald]

Supposedly they are vulnerable to the warp because they don’t have souls

[paper bluff]

Does the AI make the deal? Is is a possession? Is it synthesis like with argal-tal

[floral herald]

But this sounds more like mysticism or cope not necessarily truth since there’s plenty of uncorrupted AIs out there

[paper bluff]

See that's the confusing bit, the necrons are the same way (yeah necons are more complicated) but even that's a hmm🤔

[paper bluff]

I think cope. The fleshy computers the imperium run are of course vulnerable

I think the votann have a light because of the Kin believing in them and the ancestors of the kin

[pastel rampart]

I suspect the DAoT AI just became so hateful of humanity that they were willing to make deals with the warp.

[paper bluff]

The warp back then was different we have to remember

DAoT stuff now is sadden by what they see with the imperium

Hmmm........ you think the Emp was using the mechanicus until he could modify thier belief or conquer them? Cause I get the feeling that if the Emp got to a Votan he would have all he needs

I get the idea that his plan was unite earth, get that home base and marshal the resources he can every way he can, shatter ork threat, unite the rest of humanity, then safe travel with webway, then get to xenos like eldar and leagues

[floral herald]

There’s no particular part of the emperor’s plan which involved working with aliens

Human supremacy is the only thing he’s really consistent on

[paper bluff]

Apologies if it made it seem like he was going to work with xenos

The leagues are an odd spot aren't then? Very human adjacent but at the same time far enough that there's side eye

I fully think the lore will become the Emp had a plan for the leagues, either deal like mechanicus or absorption

[floral herald]

Honestly he might not really have been aware of them

At the time they weren’t really a galactic player and were pretty far away in inhospitable parts of the galaxy

[paper bluff]

Would be funny if the leagues had something to do the the raglan xenocide. Shared enemy

[floral herald]

But yeah they’re in a weird spot because they’re engineered abhumans not aliens

Whether that makes them registered abhumans (second class citizens) or mutants (worse than aliens) remains up to the local sector authorities aiui

[paper bluff]

It's that AI part I feel like would be the most thorny part

They work with and "worship" the votann

The opening of this fully has an ironkin going "the votann are not fate"

[floral herald]

Yeah that might be a big sticking point

[past sphinx]

The squats only survived by fighting the crusade to a stand still i believe

[rocky shale]

A1 mini is like $250usd right now so it's pretty damn close lol

[soft willow]

Just wrapped up The High Kahl's Oath and it was pretty good and makes me want more kin.

There are a few things Gav wrote in there that seem very fun that I hope get tabletop representation.

[paper bluff]

Well it's the horse archers problem. The leagues wouldn't want pitched battles and the places they live move

[pastel rampart]

I was thinking "what would a 2nd edition Stormraven look like" but I realized it would look a lot like it does now, just with chunkier rivets and the old Thunderhawk windshield wipers.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/b/ba/Thunderhawk1996b.jpg

http://puu.sh/KjLam/eb3db0c19b.jpg

Squeek squeek

[soft willow]

I mean the thing was basically designed as a how do we fit a Thunderhawk into actual 40k sized games.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, just sometimes I try to imagine how modern SM vehicles would look like if they were made in 1995.

[soft willow]

Sort of the 2 door to the Thunderhawk's 4 door of the same model car.

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/b/b1/StormTalon01_873x627.jpg

Stormtalon is a little trickier I think.

You'd need to make the heavy bolters more like the old Thunderhawk, just kinda jutting out of the side nonsensically.

not sure how you'd make the VTOL engines there look more 90s era.

[tired cairn]

Those are massive windshield wipers lol.

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/7c/Thunderhawk1996.jpg

It opens up!

[tired cairn]

You could ditch the vtol engine look. It's not like any other Imperial vessel needs them to do vtol

[paper bluff]

Was that the metal one?

[pastel rampart]

Also yeah could just do fixed wing shit.

Yeah, metal one.

Easily the worst model to assemble that GW ever put out.

[paper bluff]

Oh lord the blunt force trauma thunderhawk

[pastel rampart]

Collapsed under its own weight if you didn't pin it.

[tired cairn]

Huh, I thought the thunderhawk was bigger than something that would have a single space marine in the cockpit

[pastel rampart]

Well this was the 90s one. Things were smaller then.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/d/dc/Thunderhawkv3.jpg

FW one made a lot more sense.

[tired cairn]

I guess if you are already pushing the limits of metal models, you can't make it bigger

...am I thinking of a different transport vehicle or is the model smaller than typically depicted in media (or am I just confused)

[paper bluff]

A fun comparison image with that and a tau manta

And baneblade

Manta big

[pastel rampart]

https://www.goonhammer.com/how-to-build-everything-forge-world-legion-thunderhawk-gunship/ It's quite big as far as these things go, but yeah the Manta is just the king of oversized airplanes.

You bring a Manta out as part of a dick-measuring contest, not for actual play.

[paper bluff]

It is warlord titan levels yeah

[pastel rampart]

At least with a warlord you can build in some cup holders onto the arms so it plays a functional use during games.

[paper bluff]

In that vein, I think the necon heavy construct is 404 rn

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Necron-Seraptek-Heavy-Construct-Body-2018?srsltid=AfmBOooMGNSyiEqISdcJAm5Bb0BDn_hh2-xo9XAfwyaTnTOYT3OJQ0mU

Yep it is

[pastel rampart]

Huh, odd.

[paper bluff]

I don't think it's going plastic but it was the last FW thing the necrons had

[desert jay]

I feel like 36 mph is not actually that fast for a vehicle

[paper bluff]

BTW, the programmers have found info for grotmas detachments

[desert jay]

Though I suppose if you assume that it has like a 16 m stride that's one pace/second (two steps/second)

[glad spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raeOKTEC3qc&ab_channel=AdamSomething

Adam Something posting, a video about how people are made about female custodes

He made a post later to address all the guys hate commenting who fell into the gamergate stuff he was talking about, including that Arch called his video stupid(Adam calls that a sign of approval)

And the first comment to the post was "Of course hes a tau player" lmao

I am also a tau player

[cinder wraith]

i generally hate tau due to the long range BS, GET NEAR ME SO I CAN GRAB YOUR SKULLS!!! /j

[glad spear]

His post about the hate comments included some pictures of his stormsurge

[cinder wraith]

i just hate good shooting armies cause they keep getting further away from me smh

[glad spear]

You just need to move faster

Its a little harder for tau to shoot people off the board but I may just be bad

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

I haven't had a chance to try the new detachments

[cinder wraith]

i can guarentee first turn charges, but they always fail

[glad spear]

My pile of shame is mostly kroot

[tired cairn]

I love the ginormous cylinder for the flight stand

[upper canopy]

I still haven't watched the Something Adam video because I feel like it's just trying to be so provocative outside his usual wheelhouse

[cinder wraith]

Lord Invo Leading 8B and scouts 2 X8B along side him, first turn do +2" movement and Advance+Charge

but that strategy never worked for me

[glad spear]

The first half is about Starship Troopers, and the other half is about grimdark compared to space marines 2

[cinder wraith]

cause world eaters gotta roll Yahtzee in a cup and yell "yahtzeeee!!!" but never get what i want so i am ranting abit cause i miss my 9th edition Blood Tithe ability

why cant an oppressive melee army stay oppressive 😔

if someone brings up balancing thats a wrong answer

[glad spear]

"A true to lore Space Marine game would be warcrime simulator 24/7" lmao

[paper bluff]

That would be custodes and you have to lass the armor saves

[tardy vault]

What did it do?

[glad spear]

Gambling

[paper bluff]

The world eaters gimmick is yahtzee for abilities

[cinder wraith]

last edition was when some unit dies, you get BTP (Blood Tithe Point) and you use those points to buy Permanent buffs for the entire game

now its just gambling

[glad spear]

Any unit, even yours dies

[tardy vault]

Ah

[cinder wraith]

it sucks ass

[tardy vault]

AoS has Blood Tithe, the buffs are for the turn

[glad spear]

And +1 more for if its a vehicle and +1 if its titanic

[paper bluff]

And even then you just take extra movement and a feel no pain

[tired cairn]

It's weird they went from the blood tithe point system to gambling. Gambling seems like a different army's thing

[glad spear]

Funny move

spend 6 to pick angron back up

[cinder wraith]

gambling is very much tzeentch army rule

[glad spear]

Tzeentchs thing now is the whole magic bolt

[tardy vault]

In AoS you can spend 8 to replace a Bloodthirster

[paper bluff]

Now you have to roll 666

[glad spear]

I've seen it happen twice in one battle before

He died right after

[cinder wraith]

i never managed to roll 666

with dice manipulation

[paper bluff]

The hedonites of slaanesh rule is fun in concept

[cinder wraith]

it never worked

[tired cairn]

That maybe would have worked better than Tzeetch getting cabal points for army composition reasons

[cinder wraith]

world eaters is very much dead atm until new detachment decides

even if theyre "good" theyre not reliably good

[paper bluff]

And/or new models

[past sphinx]

I want the EC coded to follow the rule of 3 units 1 elite and a cultist

[paper bluff]

The range is still hilariously small. Just angron and his buddies. Who do you want to take?

[past sphinx]

Just to run the dirt in for us

[glad spear]

Play me and I can show you how good they are(Im not good)

[cinder wraith]

i can play "1 Command point" to do another gambling ability for FnP but its not that really good since you cant generate more Command Points

[tardy vault]

oh lmao Khorne can turn off wizards

[glad spear]

L

[floral herald]

Weaters are legit fine though outside of their small range and kinda boring list building

[cinder wraith]

40k is just disappointing for me rn due to competitive players feedback about the game changing the rules to fit competitive playstyle

[tired cairn]

It's really funny to me that the optimal play is not to just mash them into the opponents army

You need to be clever with them lol

[cinder wraith]

the optimal play in 9th - smash the opponent
the optimal play in 10th - lose

[glad spear]

I just enjoy playing it casually tbh

[floral herald]

Wait hold the phone chaos cult is the highest WR detachment right now?

What are they cooking?

[glad spear]

I had a rough getting into it due to playing aganist this one guy who had an optimized dark angels list and cooked my ass when I only had enough Tau models for one list

[cinder wraith]

the most optimal play for world eaters rn is Jakhal Spam and its not a fun way to play

[rocky shale]

I think that's kinda the case for all melee armies right now

[glad spear]

Looking to get back in soon

[tired cairn]

Is there more than one guy playing them?

[floral herald]

There’s 7

With a 72% tournament win rate

[tired cairn]

To be fair, it's probably more interesting game design that way (even if it isn't the fantasy)

[cinder wraith]

its just idk, my fav army got shat on by so called balance and i just leave to play something else

[tired cairn]

WE is mid and not terrible though?

[cinder wraith]

and i bought alot of models for world eaters since 2018

[rocky shale]

Agreed tbh

[floral herald]

WE is very middle of the pack yeah

[tired cairn]

Now, their play style could have changed and it's understandable if you don't like that

[cinder wraith]

WE sucks and im a WE fan

i just stick to other games until theyre oppressive again

[tired cairn]

That will hopefully never happen

[floral herald]

Yeah lol

[tardy vault]

Play AoS! Blades of Khorne are top tier there rn

[floral herald]

FOH

[glad spear]

Yeah play AOS

I have a pile of flesh eaters to paint

[tardy vault]

You literally have Blood Tithe

[cinder wraith]

i play AoS with stuff i have and its just not fun?

[tired cairn]

FOH?

[cinder wraith]

idk

[paper bluff]

Less so with custodes but they are an outlier and should not be counted

[cinder wraith]

im not having a good time in general with the big 2 games (AoS and 40k)

i miss when i had fun playing it and its just sucks that the games i do want to play have inactive player base

[glad spear]

What do you want to play?

[cinder wraith]

old world, horus heresy, necromunda, infinity, batman miniature game...eetc

[glad spear]

If you lived near Wisconsin, US, I know a place that does all of those

I have a Court of Owls kit I have to put together myself

[tired cairn]

That feels like a small number. But still. I wonder if there is a list anywhere

[cinder wraith]

thats awesome

however

israel

i live there

[glad spear]

Damn

joever

[cinder wraith]

the playerbase here is competitive 40k / aos

[floral herald]

There probably is but I don’t have a bestcoast subscription so it’s hard to look up

[cinder wraith]

everyone is so competitive its tiring for me that i cant find a game to relax in

[glad spear]

I wonder if Tabletop simulator has like batman miniture or horus on there

I know they have some 40k

and AOS

[cinder wraith]

there is but my laptop can barely run it

[paper bluff]

Also in regards to earlier on construct, I have been given new info

[glad spear]

That sucks

[glad spear]

John Warhammer to the rescue

[cinder wraith]

i can't paint my minis cause im not happy about the game / inactive playerbase

so because of that its hard for me to enjoy the hobby

[paper bluff]

I wouldn't trust John warhammer farther than a trebuchet could throw him

[cinder wraith]

so my backlog is catching half of my room and id rather sleep at the couch than sleep in my room

so idk what to do with this hobby at all

i mean yeah i could use them for roleplaying games but barely anyone i know likes the TTRPGs i want to run

(transformers, wrath and glory, SCP, MASKS, Necromunda)

[glad spear]

Speaking of Wrath and Glory, I did just try running it the other day

I might try some through Foundry to figure out how Foundry works

(From the DM side)

[floral herald]

It has a lot of good foundry automation

But also a lot of the resources for it are paid

[glad spear]

And Transformers is on my list(Due to GI Joe)

[cinder wraith]

i want to run transformers cause i want to do a fun campaign where SG optimus becomes a herald for Main universe unicron and tries to usurp his position by combining himself with the swarm from G2 transformers

[glad spear]

That sounds hype af

[deft crest]

300$.

[glad spear]

I've wanted to run/play that system at some point

Along with GI Joe and Power Rangers

Since you can crossover all 3

[paper bluff]

I should really really learn foundry. I have it but never use it

[glad spear]

It's very cool

[floral herald]

It’s not so bad to learn honestly

All VTTs have a learning curve but I actually found Foubdry the easiest

[rocky shale]

Pays for itself the first time you print a set of terrain lmao

[glad spear]

Or little things around the house

[deft crest]

All of my demon army except MAYBE like 10 dogs are all printed.

[glad spear]

I printed out battery holders for my tools and it saves a lot of time

Or printing out cool models

[rocky shale]

I'm talking a FDM printer too, just for terrain and stuff

[deft crest]

I use mine for cosplay props to save time on EVA foam work.

-# Truthfully I bought both for tabletop shit too tho frfr

[rocky shale]

FDM for minis doesn't always work great but some vehicles and stuff it can

[glad spear]

Something my fiance put together and painted from her resin printer

She's working on an albedo figure right now

I want to get a filement printer for cosplay stuff eventually

[paper bluff]

The other thing about it is that I improv so much of my sessions that unless I made a game monthly I would never be prepared

How is the wrath and glory system? I like the idea of 40k rpg but I don't generally want to be dm

[glad spear]

Wrath and Glory is a heroic style of game, you get kind of the kitchen sink in terms of character creation, like pretty much anything you can think of, you can make as a PC

Which gets a little weird depending on your choice

But there's a lot of combat abilities and actions you can take, similar to the regular tabletop that lets you do a lot of cool flashy things

The Wrath die are a fun way to make things more narrative, basically any skill or attack replaces one of the dice with a Wrath die. If you roll a 6, it becomes a crit and means that you narratively do several things, like a higher success or more damage. A 1 is a complication, like maybe your weapon jams, or you have to roll a save, or you have a narrative lore thing that fleshes out your character more

Like maybe you're sneaking and you roll a 1, and your character reveals that she used to sneak from Arbites as a kid due to how scary the Cyber Mastiff is, and then one jumps through the door she's in front of

And you get glory points that are shared between the party that kind of act like inspiration sort of, along with Wrath Points

Ruin is something the DM gets overtime and allows them to cause problems like calling in sniper shots during a battle, making a check harder due to a narrative problem, stuff like that

It's a cool system, but takes some getting used to, and it has a lot of creative liberty to make a lot of things

My next one shot will be a void ship crawl into a genestealer cult

[paper bluff]

Could I play an knight world sancartisian (knight world tech preist but without alot of formal tech preist indoctrination)?

[solemn gull]

yes

[paper bluff]

I am not against playing a game online

Also, would anyone be running a game?

[floral herald]

I did previously but it ended and it’ll be a bit before I cycle back around to W&G

[paper bluff]

I say this because I want to do "you can't do that! You're a tech preist." Well actually I'm just a sancartisian

[desert jay]

Sacristan!

You've thrown in so many extra letters there

[paper bluff]

I always thought it was that. sanctified artisan squashed together

[glad spear]

Yes

[glad spear]

I might be in the near future

[paper bluff]

What time zone?

[desert jay]

My favorite part of the Sacristans is where they go "hey, if you don't act like an adult we're not fixing your toys" to the chivalry-drunk noble-pilots

[glad spear]

CST/ UTC - 6:00

[paper bluff]

"Yes yes, I know charging into glorious battle in the name of your house brings much honor, however! That doesn't help me fix the 5 broken cables, 2 leaky pistons, a sparking reactor coil or the sticky left shift you constantly tell me about"

[paper bluff]

I'm in Est so that would work for me

I finish work at 1700 (5pm) though

[glad spear]

So do I

I'll have to think on it

I got a lot on my plate right now

I have a lancer game I'm gming in person soon so I have to prep for that

[paper bluff]

I also don't know the earth and glory character sheet so I can prep that if material is given to me

[thin ibex]

Does Holding Out for a Hero deserve to be on an ogryn play list?

[pulsar cairn]

for sure

[upper canopy]

yes

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1qBhCKAhKk

[sweet solar]

id go for a spur off the rt speeder

remove the canopy, the power armour is good enough

replace the pivoting vtol engines with a vague gesture at some kind of grav hover, or just downpointing engines like a harrier in vtol mode

[pastel rampart]

The engines I'd probably just copy the fixed wing look from the Thunderhawk.

[sweet solar]

actually you know what came out in 91 that would be the obvious base for a 90s talon?

the hk ariel that got a physical model in terminator 2

im genus

[pastel rampart]

Though hm, that might be closer to Necron 90s aesthetics.

Which I guess if you wanted to backport the flying croissant then that's as good a visual as any.

[sweet solar]

nah they had the weird trike sled

90s necrons were completly different, had way more cylon in em

[pastel rampart]

The trike slide was the old Destroyer, which if you're doing a flyer then that wouldn't be a bad thing to copy.

You'd have to make the HK look a little more uh, Egyptian I guess but it'd fit in with 90s necrons without too much effort.

[sweet solar]

also 90s was pre croissant cylon raider

so 90s necron aircraft would look like this

(the og cylon raider)

and heres your monolith (from the stargate movie, very similar to the of monolith tbh)

(it even has the scalloped base)

[past sphinx]

you reckon big E missing an eye on the throne is an odin thing?

you could twist HH into a sacrificing himself to himself if you really twist it around

[floral herald]

I don't think so personally

For Odin it was a sacrifice for wisdom made voluntarily - and the Emperor's sacrifices were made long before he lost an eye

The eye is also not that consistently missing

[past sphinx]

true

[floral herald]

Or at least, it wasn't in older art

[past sphinx]

its just such a strangely prominent part of his current look

big ass bionic eye on a dead guy who definetly didnt have one before

[thin ibex]

some enthusiastic custodes just slapped it on

[floral herald]

I think this look became more or less "canonical" in 3e or 4e (I'm including both versions) but I'm not sure if any reason for the eye was given

Oh I guess this is from a similar era

I dig that look - he's rotting from the inside out and his face as been obliterated by a metal mask

[past sphinx]

i do like that look especially given that being put on the throne did in a way obliterate him as a person

reduced to a half living half dead symbol

well, mostly dead

[floral herald]

yeah

[paper bluff]

I wonder if you could have put a navigator third eye in the emp's eye socket

[past sphinx]

why stop at one? thats a big ass eye socket

bloodborne that bitch

[floral herald]

My gut feeling is probably not just because of how... unpleasantly energetic the Throne is now

[past sphinx]

ADB described it like standing in a nuclear meltdown of wizard bullshit no?

[floral herald]

I haven't actually read that book yet (on my shelf waiting for the term to end) but in the death and the end it's similar yeah

[past sphinx]

witch makes the custodes playing a 1 thousand year game of scrabble in the corner funnier

just hangin out

[floral herald]

so much psychic power that the "crew" supporting the throne start convulsing and have to move further and further away because the throne starts melting psywash shields and such

[past sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCOSao1KEQo&t=533s

the man himself puts forth the very interesting idea that that picture is just a big ol paper mache skeleton

the real corpse being deeper

[runic swallow]

I love Blanche’s stuff

Is it all good? Not necessarily, but man does it all have such a sense of feeling

[dense sedge]

his stuff has a very evocative vibe

[floral herald]

Honestly I think I've liked everything I've seen

[past sphinx]

trying to make less ugly raptors

or maybe more ugly

[runic swallow]

Oh I mean there’s some stuff that can be a bit weird or off putting at times, personally I think I’ve liked all of it too

[floral herald]

Oh yeah weird and off putting I definitely agree with

[mild glen]

Rate this Chaos Daemon Listy I the together for my wife to kick my ass with:
Be'lakor
Bloodthirster W/ Axe & Whip
Bloodthirster w/ Axe & Flail
Bloodthirster w/ Big Axe
Bloodletters w/ Attached Skulltaker
Knight Tyrant

*this is a joke

[past sphinx]

oh no you take belakor and 3 GUO's and 3 inch deepstrike them in the mid board

this is the way

because its very funny to simply stand on all the objectives and be unable to be killed

[mild glen]

She doesn't think the GUO looks cool, though

[floral herald]

real

[desert jay]

I think not as funny as my Death Guard list that's Prince-maxxing

Mortarion (300pts): Rotwind, Silence, The Lantern, Warlord
Biologus Putrifier (50pts): Hyper blight grenades, Injector pistol, Plague knives
Death Guard Daemon Prince (160pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince (160pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince (160pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince with wings (195pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince with wings (195pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince with wings (195pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer

5x Plague Marines (90pts)

Daemon Prince of Chaos (190pts): Hellforged weapons, Infernal cannon, Nurgle
Daemon Prince of Chaos (190pts): Hellforged weapons, Infernal cannon, Nurgle
3x Nurglings (40pts)
3x Nurglings (40pts)

[pulsar cairn]

how powerful is a daemon prince in the tabletop?

i imagine deathguard ones are very tanky

[mild glen]

About as strong as a main battle tank, if I'm reading the statline correctly

[pulsar cairn]

neat

are they melee only?

i imagine they are fast since they have wings

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/WH40kbestof/status/1863263540133470417

[glass totem]

i think they already did odin parallels with magnus the red, (giving up an eye to Tzeentch) although Jimmy Space gets called the Allfather by the Space Wolves, so, y'know

[jaunty dawn]

in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only odin parallels

[glass totem]

true!

[meager quail]

I think the single glowing red augmetic eye is also just a bit of a Classic 40k Image

[paper bluff]

Yeah Calgar has had one from RT days

[glass totem]

yeah, it's pretty endemic in general character design (off the top of my head, the only faction depicted w/o them are necrons and tyranids, because y'know.)

[paper bluff]

Oh right! That one eldar pirate has that eye

[pastel rampart]

Eldar JC Denton over here

https://tenor.com/view/jcd-jc-denton-vision-is-augmented-deus-ex-gif-14360812935288308216

[glass totem]

It really looks like one half of a swimming goggle
this guy must have walked an interesting path, is all i'm saying

[paper bluff]

Aside from him, I don't recall many eldar augmentics aside from the total body replacements

[paper bluff]

Hey now though, single red glowing eye is something necons have.

[glass totem]

Ah fuck, you're right
Szeras
I own his model, but I'm scared to like
take it around, because the legs are so thin and I am Very Clumsy

[paper bluff]

They did make it green with most recent showings

[jaunty dawn]

who's the guy on the base

kinda looks like navy

[glass totem]

man, that model goes hard
I've got the older like
8e-9e (?) model, since I got into 40k mid 7th edition, and picked up necrons when 8e started

[paper bluff]

Bless you. Necons are some of the most spindly models

[paper bluff]

For reference

[glass totem]

Yeah, I have often like
lamented my folly in choosing this faction when I accidentally trip and launch a necron warrior off of the table
the aesthetic is really cool, though, so 🤷‍♂️

[paper bluff]

New szeras is a cool model but a bitch to paint and assemble

[jaunty dawn]

szeras when he used to do community theatre, playing hamlet

[paper bluff]

Funny you should say that! Necrons we know cannonically have theatre and plays

[glass totem]

yeah necron plays do exist, they last like

decades

God bless The Infinite and the Divine

[paper bluff]

Return to the solid OG

[jaunty dawn]

you haven't seen shakespear till you've seen it in the original necron

[glass totem]

Wait, this seems uh, familiar

https://tenor.com/view/cylon-battlestar-galactica-looking-around-scan-gif-9153290

I mean I'm not surprised, 40k has a long and proud history of adopting ideas from other franchises, but it's still cool to know they were originally based on cylons

[paper bluff]

Take a look at the chaos android

[glass totem]

...that explains why they used to have a unit called Necron Raider, godammit

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-2325462988905248841

With no small amount of

Also let it be said I really wish I could get a unit of 10 oldcron immortals

[floral herald]

There’s some rogue trader era necron art in that style which actually fucks so much

I think it’s in book of the Astronomicon?

[paper bluff]

It was some one here at was making a 3d printable oldcron style cryptek I really wish i could remember the name

[pulsar cairn]

btw

i heard bricky saying that the ending of warhammer fantasy where chaos pretty much won wasnt very popular is that true?

[glass totem]

the 3e ones? yeah I like how those look

Theres something a bit more like
menacing about them

[glad spear]

Yeah, most people back then felt it was very rushed or kinda mushed the stories together to make the End Times make some kind of sense. A lot of crazy shit happens and not all of it does make sense, or was just unsatisfying

[paper bluff]

Fantasy had a huge developed lore and many beloved characters died dumbly in unsatisfying ways or off screen

And a hated character for petty reasons caused good to loose

[glad spear]

Like suddenly making Malekith the True Destined king all along? Really? Grimgor lived happily ever after? The skaven just ends up killing all the dwarves

[silk verge]

end times was balls

[glass totem]

The End Times kind of sucked narratively
I like some of what they've done with AoS but it didn't feel like a satisfying conclusion to the Old World

[glad spear]

The tabletop equivalent to S8 of game of thrones

[floral herald]

It was a big mess writing wise but it’s probably not worth doing a 5th 2 minutes hate on it in this channel

There’s a bunch on it if you search up end times for this channel or channel cluster though

[glad spear]

There were also a lot of other factors like a lawsuit with another publisher and the game itself just not doing too good compared to 40k at the time

[glass totem]

fair

[glad spear]

AOS was a nice change of pace, or at least it was nice to get new model refreshes

There's a good chunk that look arguably better than 40k models

Now I just need to build my AOS army so I can play it firsthand

[glass totem]

also, from what I've heard it (aos) doesn't attract a certain uh, crowd, which is nice

I don't have another kidney, so I can't afford a new army or a printer unfortunately

[floral herald]

The AoS range is generically phenomenal yeah

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like in many ways aos has the benefit of the whole scope of the setting being decided after gw became all in on model quality being their primarily selling point

[glad spear]

When AOS makes better blood angels than blood angels

[jaunty dawn]

so it's like the scale and aesthetics of everything is aligned toward making badass models

[glad spear]

And it looks so good

[pulsar cairn]

yeah just wanted to know if it wasnt very popular, and the question has been answered

[glad spear]

Recently been buying the new flesheater courts models and they are sick

[bright dove]

I really enjoy AoS. It's a good game

Has the benefit of not having a "everything sucks forever" narrative

[glass totem]

I'd honestly like to convert some of the Glaivewraith/Deathrattle stuff into Necrons, tbh

[bright dove]

And the Stormcast are honestly rad.

[glass totem]

looks sick, and I've always liked the Vampire Counts-esque vibe

[bright dove]

If it wasn't so expensive to do a Cities army, I'd rock that in AoS

If only because Tahlia Vedra is cool

[glass totem]

since theres gotta be a necron lord/overlord somewhere who is demented enough to believe he's like
a medieval-era necrontyr dynarch

[glad spear]

Her model is sick too

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/swwhalf9/grotmas-calendar-day-3-a-festive-feast-with-the-tyranids/

huh this one gives warriors ||+5 inv save and battleline|| 🤔

[paper bluff]

Idea, a necron lord personally kills a knight pilot noble. "What a curious machine...." interfaces with the knight throne and then zap all the personality engrams of the previous pilots imprint onto the necron lord

[bright dove]

Ah, good! Stompy list time

[jaunty dawn]

ooh

titus what the fuck

why are you making 8 attacks

with sustained hits 1!

[glad spear]

Plot armor

[glass totem]

That would be incredibly funny
bro drips out the knight in like
the colours of his dynasty, and upgrades the weaponry with a massive gauss beamer
local mechanicus priesthood in absolute shambles

[paper bluff]

They would already be i imagine what with a near by tomb world lol

[floral herald]

Anti infantry 2+ chainsword lol

Bro is a freak with that blade

[glass totem]

i mean i imagine theres a difference in shambality between necrons existing and necrons capturing and repurposing a holy instrument of the omnissiah's will/blessed machine

[paper bluff]

Which is funny because the opposite happens alot

[past sphinx]

There's a lot of 40k audiobooks going for like 4 bucks a pop on audible right now

[glass totem]

speaking of the Mechanicus, god I am excited for Mechanicus II, since it might have both a necron and admech campaign, which is huge

[tired cairn]

Tyranid warriors are a cool model, but I do dislike how particularly narrow the number of units that detachment applies to lol

[glass totem]

I need more necron content
since outside of DoW (DC and Soulstorm) and Battlefleet Gothic II I don't think they have many video games where you can play them
(Gladius: Relics of War technically counts, but like, barely)

[tired cairn]

To account for how many people he kills in the video game!

[glad spear]

A couple of the nid detachments are like that sadly, but are also fun to play with for a different style

Regenerating chaff by eating people is cool

[glass totem]

and only one of those was made with modern lore in mind, although the Dark Crusade necrons have some excellent v/o work (in campaign)

[tired cairn]

10 points so you can attach a Neurotyrant to a warrior squad is such a weird enhancement

[dense sedge]

I wonder what gsc will get for grotmas

[tepid stratus]

I hope CSM gets creations of bile for grotmas

But maybe that detachment idea is being held back for EC

[glass totem]

I hope Necrons get something nice for Grotmas

[mild glen]

I hope everyone gets something nice for Grotmas. But especially T'au.

[glad spear]

🙏

[pastel rampart]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-gorebots-gorriors-necro-space-terminator-robot-ancient-immortal-skeleton-warriors-241547 There's one guy making spiritually similar oldcrons and I'm here for it.

[glass totem]

ooh

[pastel rampart]

It's as close as I've seen for not-crons, barring finding actual scans of the old models out there.

[glass totem]

they look sort of similiar to how I'd imagine hypothetical "heavy immortals"

[paper bluff]

Starshatter arsenal

[pastel rampart]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-gorebots-unkillables-241554 Oh he's got those too.

I recomend just going through his store, he's got some great stuff.

[glass totem]

👍

[pastel rampart]

https://dl2.myminifactory.com/object-assets/630a8362e4f19/images/720X720-mind-melter-1.jpg

[glass totem]

with the name I'm thinking possibly vehicle focused? That or C'tan, but I could be completely wrong

[tired cairn]

I assume this is what the admech took inspiration from for stiltman

[pastel rampart]

A poor imitation of true glory.

[paper bluff]

We shall learn but I hope

[glass totem]

I do kind of miss the more thematic uh

list building in 7e

although that edition had a LOT

of issues balance-wise

detachments and formations, and so on

[dense sedge]

I’ll gsc be able to brood brother krieg units?

[glass totem]

They can brood up to 1000 pts of any [ASTRA MILITARUM ] unit, so yeah (with some exceptions)

[tired cairn]

I believe so. But you have to take the Brood Brother detachment

Looks like half can be brood brothers?

[glass totem]

raw say: no ogryn, ratlings, epic heroes, commissars/priests/enginseers, aircraft or tempestus units, so yeah, go wild with everything else @dense sedge

give Hans his third arm

[glass totem]

correction, yeah its half, I misread
so it depends on game size

extra notes: i think they lose Voice of Command and IG units in your army can't be your warlord, but thats about it

[jaunty dawn]

this is a dope new enhancement type

[tired cairn]

I find it so weird

[jaunty dawn]

this is really fun too

feels like a good detachment for using the like, 4e unit roster haha

[tired cairn]

Would be more useful if ranged warriors didn't have fall back shoot and charge though

The combo of warrior and endless multitude is neat

Though I would have preferred if it was broadened to like, not just warriors and synapse units or something in general?

[jaunty dawn]

this is also really interesting

[rocky shale]

Warriors winning

I love warriors

[uneven ember]

Gonna reminisce again how the Necron resurrection rules used to be called "we'll be back"

When your model got killed you tipped it over but left it on the board, and then you rolled at end of turn to see who got back up
Unless the whole squad was killed, in which case they were done

Destroyers couldn't keep being destroyers but if they were close enough to a Warrior squad they could join that

[past sphinx]

Easy little kitbash

[tardy vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864136966978142218/1313559627757260820/20241203_113609.jpg?ex=6750933c&is=674f41bc&hm=638d58c21ebeaf0692d6736e8c5e3615636f0514822d9ba99e611ffa12c2a56e&

Melusai Ironscale painted up

Don't like how the belly scales turned out this time

But the back looks fantastic

[tired cairn]

That's pretty funny

They also peaced out if you killed... 25% of them or something?

[glass totem]

i love the chainglaive, looks very cool

[past sphinx]

Given hour heavy chain blades are chain glaives must be terrifying

[glass totem]

esp when it's a raptor stabbing down with it at high speed

[uneven ember]

75%
So, doable, but a long way from a sure bet

[tired cairn]

... that makes more sense. I must have flipped it in my head

Were they particularly tough or was the game less killy then?

[uneven ember]

Although this was models, not points, so cron players had to be careful about skimping on the Warriors
And it was Necron models specifically, scarabs and monoliths and whatnot weren't part of the count

[tired cairn]

Oh, interesting

Do Necrons still have a sort of noblese oblige to their nonsentient lessers? (over the non-necron robots)

[uneven ember]

Both, I guess?
T4 4+ Know No Fear and a 50/50 chance at not staying dead made them pretty resilient
And also yeah the game seems like it got more lethal turn by turn for the last couple editions

To the point where they seem to be rolling it back a bit

[tired cairn]

It was an explicit goal of 10th iirc

At least for vehicles

[uneven ember]

& this was also the days of random game length
So you would sometimes have the Necrons comfortably in place on the objectives and the game coming down to whether it lasted long enough to take out that model count

[tired cairn]

spooky

Was variable game length how they tried to combat "just sit back and kill everyone" strategies?

[uneven ember]

It was about objectives, mostly (afaik)
Back then you didn't track VP by turn, if the goal was objectives they went to whoever had them when the game ended
(Which did make bookkeeping easier, you literally just look at the board)

So "hold back and give a big push" was still good strategy but you can't just wait until the last turn if you don't know for sure which turn that is

[glad spear]

https://x.com/wolfdawgart/status/1516615534858493952?lang=he

WOLFDAWG ART (‎@WolfdawgArt‎) ב-X

"I am not entirely without mercy...I will give you a warriors death."

#warhammer40k #starwars #fanart #conceptart

Twitter · Apr 20, 2022, 3:11 AM

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055931689194504313/1313616667200327840/Screenshot_20241202_000457_Gallery.png?ex=6750c85b&is=674f76db&hm=9b2c18e6f6bddc93ab63502c53fe875bd95b4fda2da38f1abb5d520fcfdba5b7&

[upper bluff]

Admech and cloaks go together like peanut butter and jelly

Also I know it's the clone wars cartoon groevous

[mild glen]

So... like... I don't actually like Astartes just... on a narrative level, but what if... enby marines...

[uneven ember]

have you seen the Gate Crashers?

[mild glen]

I keep seeing Cerberus Xt's stuff popping up on my feed, yes.

[unreal cosmos]

I'm kinda iffy on the yellow undersuit

otherwise: good

[mild glen]

They did purple for a primary armour colour, yeah

Here's how it looks on the free scout, for reference.

[uneven ember]

I dig it

[mild glen]

(Yes, this is partially inspired by the fact I did the same paint scheme on both the free marines this year, completely accidentally)

[tardy vault]

There are enby Stormcast Eternal in AoS!

Iridan the Witness for example

[tired cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1235046220578427002/1313663068579823616/RDT_20241203_1927487826912453119835903.jpg?ex=6750f392&is=674fa212&hm=6260dcc97ea1acebedc83ab76ee6578b6b8171cf13c87c52f35f59826b3b139c&

[pulsar cairn]

does a tyranid gun shoot tiny tyranids who eat you or just organic projectiles?

knowing 40k probably both of those are true

[pastel rampart]

It's both, depending on the gun.

[soft willow]

This is why I own a whole Stormcast army these days.

[runic swallow]

Fleshborers are that, basically just worms that only live a few seconds but eat the hell out of anything they land on

Basically it’s the thing in System Shock 2 in that one audio log by the “It’s made of worms” guy

[tired cairn]

Venom cannons are the other type: They shoot poison tipped shards of... I think an organically grown crystal?

[floral herald]

I think so yeah

[tired cairn]

And barbed stranglers shoot plant like seeds that rapidly grown to entangle people and find gaps in their armour. Despite that description, they are just a gun with blast lol

[runic swallow]

I mean it’s not the worst implementation

Since it’s suddenly takes up a lot of space and can hit multiple people as it grows

[floral herald]

I think my favorite weird tyranid weapons are the sword which they taught to hate people and the guns which shoot specifically brain eating words

[tired cairn]

Yeah, devourers are unnecessarily messed up. Not only do they eat brains, but they eat along the nervous system so its super painful

A bunch of Drukhari probably try to harvest those alive

[floral herald]

https://youtu.be/Atudqa7jhM4

Wow this is a great example of how fucked up strong Legionaries on KT24 haha

There's some slanted rolls but also these guys are demons

[brittle salmon]

This is pretty much every elite team rn, I fully expect some kind of tune down to the Astartes special rule in the next big balance pass

[floral herald]

It's actually pretty much just Legionaries and Warpcover for elites which are really dominating

At least in comp play

https://www.pretentiousplasticops.com/literature/empirical-bayes
There's a good breakdown here

Oh, Plague Marines as well

But the "lordy these are fucked up" teams are majority not elites

Or at least majority not space marines

(Hierotek are quasi-elite I think)

I'd expect Slaanesh for Legionaries (-1 to hit is just really hard for a lot of teams to handle) and broader Warpcoven nerfs much more than Astartes personally

With AoD and Phobos and such basically landing at "balanced"

I've been involved in this discourse a lot lately sorry haha

(I also think its funny that NOTHING not nerfs, not new editions, not buffs to other teams will keep Void-Dancers out of top tier)

[brittle salmon]

Hmmmm

Maybe

I worry if you target nerf those teams other elites just rise to take their place

But we'll see

[floral herald]

I think that's relatively unlikely currently there's a lot of really strong teams

And the top tiers are elites with really strong defensive tools on top of the general strengths of elites rn

[brittle salmon]

Slaanesh is very stupid, it's true

[floral herald]

These are probably just boosting the win rates of their teams a solid amount alone yeah

I am curious what teams would rise with some of the overperformers knocked down a peg or two

[tranquil ivy]

Chat im torn here

What's a good arsenal for a Warhound

Im thinking Plasma and Turbo-Laser

It's a balanced mix between anti infantry and "fuck your tanks"

I know the Warhound isnt a very good model, but I just wanna field one someday

[topaz hinge]

That's also my intuition

[tranquil ivy]

It's a giant walking dog titan

And good god I want one

And thanks to smthn I saw on Ebay, that may be possible

[soft willow]

If you don’t magnetize then turbolaser/plasma is the best “all rounder”

Plasma/Bolter is the “traditional” loadout for style points

Flamers are good fun on them too

[tranquil ivy]

The flamers were enticing since im playing Salamanders

[mild glen]

Nobody had stopped me, so I started writing lore in my head about this enby Marines and now they consider being assigned to a Plasma ("Hellblaster") squad punishment detail.
Please make my brain stop.

[glass totem]

remimds me of this mini I saw for the crons, ironically
https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/necrocyborgs/necrocyborg-general-grivus/

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

(unfortunately I lack money and time)

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/usxl6te6/kill-team-brutal-and-cunning-ork-wrecka-krews-bring-hammers-to-a-rokkit-fight/

This team seems fun

They can also smash through walls?

[jaunty dawn]

elite points ... 2!!!!!

I guess the fact rokkits are gonna be 5+ presumably mitigates the power somewhat

[floral herald]

I think it’s a little different since you generate them instead of having a limited stock

But yeah

[jaunty dawn]

yeah that's a big difference too

so tanked up is like

i can't tell if the article text mentioning needing a kill is real or not haha

[floral herald]

I suspect they don’t need a kill

[jaunty dawn]

but it seems like apl 3 team but you have to attack to get apl 3

which its 6 guys so needing a kill would be odd

[floral herald]

It’s basically 3 apl but you must attack before action 3

[jaunty dawn]

especially if bomb squigs are expendable

ohh yeah

that's a big deal

[floral herald]

also it’s bricked up for orks lol

[jaunty dawn]

im curious what the teams deal is gonna be in 40k

cause I initially thought they would be replacing tankbustas

but i think they're just gonna be a new unit in a similar space

interested to see how many options they get in general I suppose

[floral herald]

Same

[jaunty dawn]

especially since previous elite teams have gotten many

[paper bluff]

Orks.... using blast shielding with rockets?

https://tenor.com/view/inconceivable-princessbride-vizzini-gif-4835840

[pastel rampart]

Just because it's on there doesn't mean the ork uses it properly.

[quaint compass]

It's to protect against enemy rockets

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/d1mcf5ae/grotmas-calendar-day-4-a-light-dusting-of-snow/

Did this get posted?

[quaint compass]

Now it has

[rocky shale]

That sure is a detachment

[pulsar cairn]

idk why i thought the pink thing was a fancy purse

[mild glen]

So... it's slightly different Shadow of Chaos?

Only instead of deep striking and healing/wounding on Battleshock, it adds 1 to Wound?

[jagged dawn]

https://x.com/superfeyn/status/1864292017708388382?s=46&t=oWW_NnXMz5xZU9SUUTq01g

Feyn (@superfeyn) on X

Blue child

Twitter · Dec 4, 2024, 12:53 PM

[glad spear]

At least with the Tau it's possible to get really high as a human, albeit never higher than a Tau that makes sure you're doing things right

But yeah not the same

[tired cairn]

Yeah, but even more similar to Canoptek Court

That detachment is weird because Rubrics already give re-rolls to wound (and Magus gives a +1 aura to wound, though it might be an attempt to get people to not take him)

[mild glen]

I don't know how Necrons work

[tired cairn]

Same idea but re-roll hits of 1 naturally, or all of them in the special zone

[paper bluff]

Only if the unit have Canoptek or cryptek keywords do yoy get the rerolls actually