Warhammer and Such

[jaunty dawn]

aquilons take the baroque-y scions and make them a little more modern but they're still pretty scifi and weird

a lot about elysians is more recent in inspiration though airborne troops like that are kinda long obsolete nowadays

[thin ibex]

so we have heavy weapons teams, heavy support squads, field ordnance batteries, artillery teams

thats kinda wild

[jaunty dawn]

mhm

unless heavy teams get squatted

[thin ibex]

whole guard armies are just gonna be weapons teams

[jaunty dawn]

which is unfortunately fairly possible

[thin ibex]

i do love the twin heavy stubber

the RETURN OF THE STUBBER

[tired cairn]

Their helmet (and particularly shades) make me think airplane/helicopter pilot

[jaunty dawn]

are those not autocannons?

[thin ibex]

i guess inclining guard towards reallly being able to field full infantry guard armies

[tired cairn]

This is what I meant by grungy NBC. Though I think the Ultramarine PDF forces kind of look like this from my vague memory of that one picture Cyan posted? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Blowpipe_missile_2.JPG/1280px-Blowpipe_missile_2.JPG

[jaunty dawn]

the accatran lasgun is pretty famas inspired

[tired cairn]

(also featured: the worst AA missile in that has ever existed)

[floral herald]

Extremely 40K missile

[tired cairn]

It was controlled by a joystick lol

[floral herald]

The astra militarum calls them “toilsticks” because it’s not a toy

[past sphinx]

Every imperial manpad is based on the blowpipe

[thin ibex]

im just laughing at

wait also

the preview mentioned bringing 6 field ordnance batteries

whats that about

are FoB becoming battleline?

cause 3 artillery teams, 6 FoB, 3 Heavy Support teams, 3 Heavy weapon teams.

[tired cairn]

Two per unit maybe?

[thin ibex]

oh true

might be what they mean

[tired cairn]

Battleline artillery would be quite the choice though lol

[thin ibex]

maybe theres a detach that nets you battleline arty?

[tired cairn]

"wow, we can't seem to make Indirect be fun or balanced, what should we do? How about we make it battleline? Brilliant!"

[floral herald]

Gunline guard 5ever

[thin ibex]

"Indirect sucks, unless you have only indirect. Then it rocks."

living that #FuckLoS lyfe

[uneven ember]

It kinda makes sense in context, where Armageddon a) makes a shitload of tanks and b) is not somewhere you want to go outside without NBC gear so everyone going around in vehicles and having masks for when they do get out makes some sense
& Codex Armageddon does also have the Speed Freek list so maybe we started with "oops all vehicles" lists and worked backwards from there

[tired cairn]

Oh yeah, in universe it makes sense

Just not from a doylist perspective

[floral herald]

The steel legion is also very WW2 compared with the DKOK

Hard to place who exactly but that’s the vibe I think

[paper bluff]

Is there a diselpunk gaurd faction?

[floral herald]

Kinda… a lot of their stuff I think

[upper canopy]

I mean the Steel Legion is based off the Wehrmacht isn't it

[floral herald]

Partially at least

They have US-style helmets, German paratrooper coats, British field pants, etc

Kind of a WW2 melange

[valid brook]

Steel Legion helmets very much the British Helmet, Steel, Airborne Troop or Fallschirmjäger M1935

Small rim, high cut all around

[desert jay]

One of the funny things is that DKOK started as a paint job of Steel Legion models that got featured... in a White Dwarf? But now Krieg (with their own distinct look) exists and Steel Legion doesn't

[pastel rampart]

Despite Steel Legion being the cooler army.

[desert jay]

Ah found it, it was a variant scheme in Codex: Armageddon

[polar crag]

I like Krieg. I just think they're neat

[thin ibex]

I knew it! Or i suspected it

that armageddon was first

and that there was a reason they looked so alike

[desert jay]

This is a full page from a scan if you wanna see what other Guard paint schemes were featured

I also definitely see the complaint that Krieg-paint Steel Legion looks a littly fashy, fashier than either half on its own

[floral herald]

https://preview.redd.it/krieg-as-steel-legion-v0-41sn69dvbiic1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b11ac807a580e5e41490e77b3b395b3126f14b12

Now it’s full circle

[solemn gull]

Jopall Indentured mentioned!!

[desert jay]

Literally the first mention of them AFAIK

[unreal cosmos]

Are THEY also a Steel Legion model???

Because if so... Jopall army paintjob for Kreig?

[solemn gull]

Modern jopall art has them in jumpsuits tho

[unreal cosmos]

Is there more than like one modern jopall art??

[solemn gull]

Modern is a loose definition

[valid brook]

There’s a medium old illustration where they look a lot like the earliest Guard models, a deliberate retro callback

That’s the mental image I’ve always had for Jopall Indentured

[solemn gull]

Is that the one used in TTS?

[valid brook]

Not sure; lemme see if I can find it

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/03/Jopall_Indentured_Squadrons.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130212051851

Very 3.5e IG codex (the one w/ Karl Kopinski cover art) vibes although I am away from the library and can’t confirm

[lofty warren]

A lot of the deiselpunk of guard is undermined by the fact they all use rayguns, imo

Not to say that its not there

But i think they dont resolve as dieselpunk because their aesthetics are too scattered to do so

Not that its a bad aesthetic

Frankly, rayguns are cool

[unreal cosmos]

oh yeah also just reiterating, that Jopall guy is a SL model?

[junior robin]

yes

[pastel rampart]

Fuckin' ebay error messages keeping me from scoring a 5-man squad of metal death company for 12 bux.

tho I got an offer for a 6-man for like $20 and I'm debating. No arms or backpacks but those I got around, probably.

[unreal cosmos]

coool cool cool

[junior robin]

been thinking about doing a naval themed marine army, maybe I should do them as blood angel successors, sending those that succumb to the black rage away for underwater suicide missions in ||the depth company|| 🤔

[valid brook]

Scuba Steve Squad rise up

Retrospective: hot dog the ol Steel Legion infantry are great sculpts imho

My very first 40k purchase was a box of those bad boys

[junior robin]

regret now I didnt get some when they where made to order

[floral herald]

https://fixupx.com/kishitakutencho/status/1859537237928706307?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Kharn plays dodgeball

[valid brook]

They were fuckin highway robbery expensive tbh; I was interested right up until I saw the prices

I still have a couple squads from back when

[junior robin]

that was probably why I didnt get them as well 🤔

[past sphinx]

Oh the new engineers have a space c96

[floral herald]

Just noticed that the firing carriage mounted flamer has a backpack ammo supply

[rocky shale]

Never abandon your equipment to the enemy?

[bold halo]

just saw all the new eldar minis and I am FERAL

the warp spider phoenix lord whips

[floral herald]

That model is so fucking sick

[pastel rampart]

Pretty much every lord in plastic now, yeah?

Well except for that one FW biker I guess.

[floral herald]

I think Karandras is the only one left

[bold halo]

baharroth and asurmen are still nerds but hell YES Lhykis

karandras needs some love yeah

[pastel rampart]

Oh huh yeah no plastic Karandras.

Weird

[floral herald]

I was expecting a new Karandras not Lhykis but Lhykis is insanely sick so I’m not gonna complain

[pastel rampart]

Ah I was thinking of Irillyth for the Shadow Spectres.

...who remain FW-only, huh.

[bold halo]

yeah I can live without a new karandras if the consolation prize is the coolest aspect warriors getting an update and the coolest phoenix lord mini

[floral herald]

Yeah

Lhykis looks great and the new warp spiders rule

I appreciate how they’re a good modernization but keep the basic look of the previous sculpts since those were so good in their era

[pastel rampart]

Wonder if they'll ever get around to Drastanta.

[bold halo]

shining spears never get anything good so probably not

[floral herald]

https://x.com/PaintMiniature/status/1859551331708547384
Long, sustained, screaming

Miniature painting (@PaintMiniature) on X

I invited my buddy over to play combat patrol and he showed up like this [by Dinklebergsdaddydom]

#miniaturepainting #paintingminis

Twitter · Nov 21, 2024, 10:56 AM

[sonic hare]

"dont worry about it bro theyre varnished"

[past sphinx]

an emplaced heavy flamer goes hard as fuck

[floral herald]

yeah

[soft willow]

I knew a guy who kept his entire Ork army in like a ten gallon plastic bucket.

He’d just dump them onto the table then set up a green tide.

[thin ibex]

Respect

Though that also feels like an mtg player who uses no sleeves and uses a poker shuffle to shuffle his cards

[tired cairn]

Depending on the size of the ork army they had to paint, the paint chipping might add to the quality of each model

[spice flicker]

Had an interesting conversation with one of the players in my crusade and the let me know their biggest gripe/issue with how 40k 10e operates: objectives/secondaries/VP shouldn't decide victory was their argument.

One of his main points was about how objectives and their locations usually make no sense with the battlefield and they seem stupid in his eyes. "If my "objective" in a mission is to hold a certain objective or Number of objectives then after 5 turns it should be considered a victory for me if I do that or it should be considered a victory if I can table my opponent since at that point they can't prevent me from achieving my mission for the battle. Secondaries that dont reallt tie in with the overarching mission and objectives in locations that don't seem important or strategic dont make sense and shouldnt be a thing." (Somewhat paraphrased what he said but that was the general point he was trying to make.)

[tired cairn]

Don't you win if you table the opponent?

[spice flicker]

Not necessarily

[tired cairn]

I might be confusing tournament with base rules there. I swear one of them has you win if you kill everyone

[spice flicker]

If your opponent plays strategically and secures more vp before being tabled, they could still win if you can't secure enough VP to outscore them by the end of turn 5.

[tired cairn]

But regardless, a couple counter points: The biggest one is that the objective system is set up to be fun because it leads to more dynamic games (kill everyone or take points only on the last turn led to weird turtly strategies AIUI). And secondly, objectives are very abstract. Stuff is happening while you hold objectives, which is why you get points each turn. And by definition, secondary missions are important, that's why you get points for them

Now, this is 40k so the reasons you have to do the thing might ultimately be dumb, but they are important to someone

Ah yeah, the base mission in the core rulebook is win if you table the opponent

But Pariah Nexus is not

[spice flicker]

We use pariah nexus

[spice flicker]

During our discussion we used the crusade mission "Quantum Siege" as an example mission. His stance was that unless there is a narrative or strategic reason for an objective being where it is or why it should be fought over, it doesn't make sense. In quantum siege for example there are 4 objectives that have quantum shields and the defenders want as many active at the end as they can and attackers want as many off. His stance was in a mission such as that, if he controls more objectives then the other side by the end then he should be the victor regardless of VP and in a battle if you table your opponent then in theory they shouldn't be able to complete their objective so there shouldn't really be a way for them to win.

[tired cairn]

I mean, it says why controlling them each turn matters: you do harm to the machinery of the quantum shields (or prevent said harm from happening). And there could be a bunch of reasons why having them powered off at the end of the battle mattered: maybe forces are arriving at that time and it is important that they are off/on or a ship in orbit will be able to target ground targets if the shields are off

Though "Configure Shield Conduit" is hurting my head. You need to not control an objective but have units near it? So you can't turn a shield on/off if you control an objective? That seems weird

[spice flicker]

I have wondered if that was a typo for a while

[mystic saddle]

italy

(in the deployment reference image)

[thin ibex]

I feel like any situation where you argue the points shouldn't matter needs to address how the game is a game and that it takes 5 rounds too, should it not need rounds?

You can't play the game with the assumption that the points matter and then suddenly they don't

[brittle salmon]

This is a really Oldhammer way to look at things, since this is basically how it worked back in 5e and before, but the game hasn't been like that for a long time and it is for the better - sans-VP games do facilitate more flashy plays, as one big momentum shift can decide the entire game, but VPs reward consistency and good play a lot more

[south axle]

I read it as your low OC unit tampers with the shield so that shooty unit can kill the controller but risks giving the attacker more points

But ye, not being able to turn it on again just because you got control of it again seems weird

[jaunty dawn]

does crusade have set objective placements?

yep. kinda weird

but uh

i think it would help for crusade if like, you set up the terrain accordingly

[paper bluff]

That soldier fights plaque and gingivitis and you can't convince me otherwise

[past sphinx]

Finally, fabulous bill

[tardy vault]

https://www.tumblr.com/celestial-fang/701377058139406336/trazyn-the-infinite-fabius-bile-and-asdrubael

Source

[untold swallow]

why

[pulsar cairn]

idk his bald head had some charm

[paper bluff]

Canonically that is how he looks right when he gets put in a new body

Perhaps more muscle tho

[upper canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431972114141151253/1309715630093635624/rules-for-the-rule-god-v0-xslvsaq2xd2e1.png?ex=67433ffb&is=6741ee7b&hm=f00948f998c75c1475b72663cd8b056728892a07951ff2efe1a38e12daac2b64&

[paper bluff]

... isn't mr brooks a black library writer?

[jaunty dawn]

played kill team yesterday, kroot again vs my sisters necrons

hierotek were pretty scary, being more on the elite end. was like 4 models down end of turn 1 it was silly

just utterly failed to kill deathmark

[storm schooner]

tbf, I did heal it up from like 3 hp to max

[jaunty dawn]

mm

i didnt use rogue turn 1 cause I wasnt expecting to fight much at all but then I kept throwing bodies. kinda silly of me

i took light barricades and idk if theres really much point on volkus. vantage everywhere

[storm schooner]

I think the light barricades wouldve been useful if I didnt immadietly snipe everyone behind one
meaning everyone left was in the good cover you already had

[zinc field]

Wait is Archon back?

[jaunty dawn]

I think I would have been better off with one heavy barricade you couldn't snipe past

[past sphinx]

Blade Champion (110pts): Vaultswords
Shield-Captain (160pts): Castellan's Mark, Pyrithite Spear & Praesidium shield
Shield-Captain in Allarus Terminator Armour (165pts): Balistus grenade launcher, From the Hall of Armouries, Castellan Axe

5x Custodian Guard (225pts)
5x Custodian Guard (225pts)
5x Custodian Guard (225pts)

2x Allarus Custodians (130pts)
5x Custodian Guard with Adrasite and Pyrithite spears (250pts)
4x Custodian Wardens (200pts)
Caladius Grav-tank (215pts): Armoured hull, Twin lastrum bolt cannon, Twin arachnus heavy blaze cannon

Inquisitor Draxus (95pts): Dirgesinger, Power fist, Psychic Tempest

Taking this against a DG terminator stacked list with a GUO and morty for taste, wish me luck

[paper bluff]

Actually using adrasite spear custodes?

[past sphinx]

Nah pytherite

I love gambling

Need those d6 damages

And hell I mean minimum I'm going to do 3 damage with a melta if I'm doing custode things and charging the enemy

Adrasite should be like d4 or something to make them useful

[paper bluff]

Are they worth it for the extra 25 points?

[desert jay]

Nah, art from two years ago. Never stopped making/posting art but still isn't doing 40k stuff

[zinc field]

ah. yeah that's understandable

[past sphinx]

Its nearly the only thing with d6 damage in the army, I think its worth it combined with shield host and lethal hits

[paper bluff]

It seems very very anti vehicle

[past sphinx]

Our break points top out at killing elite infantry, terminators and chosen so unless you want to take 2 grav tanks its the only option

And the melee is still good

Chipping away at tanks with d2 is painful

[floral herald]

Wow what a match

Super close

[pulsar cairn]

[dense sedge]

the new krieg look neat

[pulsar cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1014538083905052703.gif?size=64&quality=lossless

me charging the enemy to repent for my people's sins against the emperor

||i'm a krigsman||

[bold halo]

warp spider phoenix lord lets warp spiders charge after making their 24" flickerjump move

and the mall ninja exarch loadout has 10 dang ol attacks

love these guys

[pastel rampart]

Y'know what I don't see for STLs?

http://www.sodemons.com/rhrt/rtterminators/rtterm410610gc/6M9A3624-20230107x-01.jpg

The original terminator armor.

[uneven ember]

i have no idea how someone fits in that

I realize this has been a Thing with every terminator iteration but even by that standard

[bright dove]

Same way someone fits in a Caliban in my mind.

[uneven ember]

okay but that one we have an answer to
although I'm not sure if i can post tit

...okay that was supposed to say "post it" but it fits I'm leaving it

[pastel rampart]

Oh I did find someone selling their own pewter version of that armor (troll soup miniatures) but their site is in maintenance mode.

[sour sequoia]

Baby’s first AoS tourney today

20 clanrats held the entire game against about 800 points of Ossiarchs

I love you minimum clanrats

[runic swallow]

Da rats rats rats baybyyyyy

[tardy vault]

Sometimes just a pack of 20 wounds is all you need

[past sphinx]

there is one and hes gay

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/brother-pridera

[thin ibex]

Did a combat patrol today, space wolves vs the tau patrol with the ghostkeel

I deeply underestimated the scout moves

Lost 40/20

But my ghostkeel was effectively unkillable

[glad spear]

Ghostkeels go crazy

[sour sequoia]

The other highlight was a round-one 100 to 0 on Kroak

Simply roll max hits and miss no shots on overloading lightning cannon

I think its all downhill from here that’s never happening again

[tardy vault]

Yeah, enjoy never making a critical save roll ever again lmao

[sour sequoia]

“Hey its my first tourney, Slay the Entourage counts the general right”
“I mean yeah but its Kroak”

I lost horribly right after to six kroxigors but

When everyone after that spends the day scared of 160pt meme gun

[tardy vault]

tbf, shooting a mad science gun to kill a frog demigod before being run over by giant lizards is peak Skaven

[pulsar cairn]

Heh

[crisp lance]

https://fixupx.com/ABAtilus/status/1858299731744534615/photo/1

https://fixupx.com/ABAtilus/status/1860464166114300246

https://fixupx.com/ABAtilus/status/1860464172347138175

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1310105623165407362/RDT_20241123_1640506517879577051608709.png?ex=67440271&is=6742b0f1&hm=9e49e97a6111db94295c8f922bf244c3a5eddc87eb9f845ed3ffb002f706d10a&

[paper bluff]

To be fair, to separate the mechanicus from religious belief that is lockstep with their science (basically the same to them) a bit harder than telling your "son" cut that shit out

[past sphinx]

Alchemy would probably be the better term

Nothing scientific about the cog boys

Every other Thursday on da forgeworld

[paper bluff]

Yeah saw cawl accused of being a scientist? I know he stood accused of being an innovators

[past sphinx]

Cawl is an open heretek to a lot of the cult and is only protected from his rightful fate by his status as Gilligan's personal cogboy

[zinc field]

being a scientist is probably fine to most of the mechanicus, I feel like

[past sphinx]

Noooooo

[zinc field]

the quest for knowledge and all that

[past sphinx]

Lord no

All knowledge already exists

Science is directly opposed to that

[pulsar cairn]

Does regular imperium have any scientists?

[zinc field]

it's just that any discovery that conflicts with the dogma is going to get you executed

[past sphinx]

More or less yes. They are not bound by the tenet of the cog

[pulsar cairn]

[past sphinx]

The cog is not a method of understanding or creation. It doesn't seek to understand the universe only collect and replicate

Librarians not authors

Librarians who believe every book has already been written by God and if you choose to write a book you think you are greater than god

[zinc field]

I imagine this argument has been made many times in-universe

[past sphinx]

Well there was the big one on mars

[jaunty dawn]

didn't realise how much of a pain in the ass intel is

was a bad choice for primary

but yeah getting more comfortable with farstalkers, opponent is getting more comfortable with the game and pathfinders. it was a gun one

meant fun, but there was a lot of gun.

plant beacons seems pretty reliable from playing against it. recover items with kroot hounds was very reliable

they're just so fast, gather is awesome

[past sphinx]

I should say the cult does actually do a shitload of "science" they seek understanding not knowledge (these lines cross but thats dogma for ya). They stand on the shoulders of giants for example a biologis creates a new and improved burn salve and is put on trial for the crime of innovation

He argues that the sacred texts list and document the properties of the chemicals their make and compounds and he only rearranged and combined what has been gifted to the cult by god thus saving his life

[meager quail]

Really awful librarians with an effective monopoly on printing presses

[paper bluff]

The ones that make the custodes would be genuine scientists i bet

[floral herald]

They’re not admech iirc

[past sphinx]

Their lunar i think

[jaunty dawn]

I mean the thing about the librarian analogy is like

not only are the god books much better than anything you could write yourself

but if you cheat by just pasting different books together, it might explode.

you're still allowed to do the latter but there's a process to it

[paper bluff]

Thought exercise; could cawl fix a votann?

[thin ibex]

mm probably not

[paper bluff]

Too much added data?

[thin ibex]

hard to point to a single element, more like too much dynamic complexity

The Necron pylons were not living, thinking entities with a psychic presence, and he had help with one of the oldest beings in existence to figure those out

[paper bluff]

He has fixed STC before

[thin ibex]

i think an STC and a Votann are leagues apart in sum complexity

[paper bluff]

Genuinely reverse engineered

Also true

[floral herald]

Probably not - they’re not broken they’re just overloaded because the leagues don’t believe in deleting information

[paper bluff]

One good sorting algorithm and that'll sort em out

I'd pay good money to read about cawl and leagues

[thin ibex]

might be cool but i think the leagues would never, in a thousand years, tell cawl about the votann, about the fading of the votann, or ever ever request his help with it

[paper bluff]

Idk, high lords asked dark eldar

And deep deep down, the kin are "human"

[thin ibex]

the high lords arent as stubborn or intentionally obfuscatory as the votann

they have a standing rule of pretending to be simpler, never giving information about their own culture, society, or technology when abroad

iirc also even moreso with the imperium

[paper bluff]

Then if becomes, is cawl the sort to do business?

[upper bluff]

I have no doubt Cawl would love to look at a Votann

[junior robin]

how do we know he isn't just 4 kin in a ~~trench coat ~~robe?

doing a long con getting close to the golden throne so they can loot it for spare parts for the votanns

[past sphinx]

Gaunt has/had a 60 round drum for his bolt pistol. God I wish I could see that

[silk verge]

wish his kit had a power sword

[dense idol]

i've scraped up a whole bunch of assorted necrons from ebay just now

and i want to know how i can shape these ~1300 points into an incursion list that's at least slightly in the Meta™️

Trazyn the Infinite
2x Overlord
Plasmancer
3x Royal Warden
Skorpekh Lord
Technomancer

5x Immortals
20x Necron Warriors

6x Skorpekh Destroyers
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms
1x Canoptek Reanimator
1x Night Scythe```

[jagged dawn]

https://x.com/_n0bitaa/status/1860724797178892304?s=46&t=oWW_NnXMz5xZU9SUUTq01g

nobs (@_n0bitaa) on X

Homebrew imperial guard commission from @TheTabooGuy1

Twitter · Nov 24, 2024, 4:38 PM

Outside the fact it’s literally just an m16, art good

[sonic hare]

the m16 bolt rifle has been a reliable dmr for many a human army since the 16th millennium wherein it derives its name

[valid brook]

this mf got a forward assist on his raygun

[muted elm]

To-scale modern minis were cheaper to kitbash and paint vis a vis buying ig minis

[pastel rampart]

Still are, mostly.

[unreal cosmos]

I'm building a Neurotyrant and having some trouble attaching the big rear mantle... I can't quite tell what the problem is but it's not slotting in. In situations like this I've had to cut the nubs and just lay on some extra glue for support but I'm very nervous about doing that with such an intricate model. Does anyone else have experience with this?

[unreal cosmos]

nvm got it

just needed a lil more force but I was real nervous about it for obvious reasons

[upper canopy]

https://fxbsky.app/profile/ederius.bsky.social/post/3lbqb5hpjos2w @brittle salmon

[brittle salmon]

yoooo

pog\

[upper canopy]

Arc promoted to Captain after his return from the Deathwatch (he is one of the 10 alive Lamenters and earns the position by default)

[brittle salmon]

we're so back

lmfao

[runic swallow]

Yeah, I’m gonna take a sec to plug historical wargaming stuff: It’s fun! It’s not just for literal historians like me! And it’s cheap!

And at all sorts of scales and rule types and settings!

[thin ibex]

You could always play the classic stimulationist war game The Campaign for North Africa! A game that I think no one has ever completed a game of!

[tired cairn]

Apropos to nothing, this rule is funny because units are still perfectly willing to charge a spore mine:

[past sphinx]

I have wanted to do an 8mm historical for ages but boy is that a hard sell for anybody under the age of 60

[runic swallow]

It can help if you just offer to do a demo game

Since then it’s just asking someone to try a new game for free, which is an easier sell

Like just bring it along with your usual stuff and offer to people that this is an option to try out

And then if you’re able to convince at least one person, it’s usually easier to get a few more to try

It especially helps to bring up how much cheaper it can be than 40k and still be a load of fun

[sour sequoia]

You want the good news or the bad news first

Trazyn & Orikan are neat models but they ain’t got that much use since Orikan can’t join lychguard anymore. You could slap him in a warrior squad but I tend to think Chronomancer does more.

[sour sequoia]

Necrons
Hypercrypt Legion
Incursion (1000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Orikan the Diviner (80 Points)
  • 1x Staff of Tomorrow

Overlord (100 Points)
  • Warlord
  • 1x Resurrection Orb
  • 1x Voidscythe
  • Enhancements: Hyperspatial Transfer Node

Overlord with Translocation Shroud (110 Points)
  • 1x Overlord’s blade
  • 1x Resurrection Orb
  • Enhancements: Dimensional Overseer

Plasmancer (90 Points)
  • 1x Plasmic lance
  • Enhancements: Arisen Tyrant

Skorpekh Lord (80 Points)
  • 1x Enmitic annihilator
  • 1x Flensing claw
  • 1x Hyperphase harvester

BATTLELINE

Immortals (75 Points)
  • 5x Immortal
     ◦ 5x Close combat weapon
     ◦ 5x Tesla carbine

Necron Warriors (200 Points)
  • 20x Necron Warrior
     ◦ 20x Close combat weapon
     ◦ 20x Gauss flayer

OTHER DATASHEETS

Canoptek Reanimator (75 Points)
  • 2x Atomiser beam
  • 1x Reanimator’s claws

Skorpekh Destroyers (90 Points)
  • 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
     ◦ 1x Plasmacyte
     ◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons

Skorpekh Destroyers (90 Points)
  • 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
     ◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons```
I think this is what you do. I split the skorps just so you can abuse Hypercrypt to take objectives better, but it may be better to have the 6-man brick + Skorplord you spend 2CP on to charge out of a teleport.

Send thick overlord and Orikan with warrior blob, back it with a reanimator, walk up the table. Immortals with plasmancer and a translocation shroud lord hold another point and explode chaff.

[paper bluff]

Folks gotta remember, wargaming as we know it came from abouts the napoleonic era and replaying the battles on table top

[paper bluff]

I would love to see a tool assisted game of campaign of North Africa

[mental birch]

I kinda want to play out a warring states game (not that one)

Or a Warlord era game

Though the Warlord era is mostly because of the joke thst if you told me something vaguely plausible happened there, it would believe it because it likely did

[paper bluff]

Isn't there a total war china?

[mental birch]

It's like 500 years after the warring states ahhaha

[south axle]

The Narker model looks lovely, tho it's gameplay effect feels not that good

[jaunty dawn]

I think they might just be scamming people

for drink money

'oh yeah boss I'll bring you any gossip just need some jingle for drinks yeah'

but then they just meet up with their buddies who do it to the other gangs

[south axle]

The Cadaver Merchant is both cheaper and can recoup it's cost with a few good rolls

[pastel rampart]

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[mental birch]

might wanna play chaos

[polar crag]

My uncle actually played a solo game of it over the course of a couple of years

[floral herald]

What’d he think?

[polar crag]

He had a great time. Hes also a wargame sicko so who knows how it actually was

This was like 40 years ago

Idk if he finished, but he did play it for a couple of years at least

[solemn gull]

Oh is that from the W&G game you talked about

[tired cairn]

This is funny because that game was satirical about the genre

[polar crag]

Oh I'm sure. But he is a massive wargame sicko and saw it as a challenge

[dense sedge]

Didn’t they do total war three kingdoms a few years ago?

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/theminiaturista/status/1861118801514799491

[finite compass]

also finally

a Votann meme

[tired cairn]

The Votaan language is English but right to left and with all the letters mirrored vertically

[spice flicker]

Can scourages ride in a tantalus?

[mental birch]

Like I said 500 ish years after the warring states

[past sphinx]

having started the guants series after plowing through most of Cain i do appricate that 1. a lot of the ghosts are older people 2. their also mostly varietys of bastard

[runic swallow]

Man I should really read those, I’m told it’s very up my alley regarding military fiction

Especially since the blood pact are a actual combined arms force

[tired orchid]

Is this thread just 40k & Fantasy/AoS as the wargame, or does it include the Tabletop RPs too-

[jaunty dawn]

for sure!

[tired orchid]

Heck yeah!!!

I have PDFs for all of the older FFG games, and I miss playing them!!

They were loads of fun!

[past sphinx]

Their fine books solid 7/10. It lacks the stronger characters and tactical oversight of cain and gaunt is only rises above generic 40k protag on occasion but the chapters when it all works it works really really well

[junior robin]

finally, the emperor's jet intake primaris lieutenant

[solemn gull]

The “Primaris Lieutenant” pattern strike aircraft

[junior robin]

the bar on the bottom feels votaan 🤔

[runic swallow]

Primaris Lieutenant on a Grav-bike, calling it

[south axle]

Necromunda, what else

[junior robin]

the nut on the right feels like a car suspension arm so my guess is some kind of rocket car.

[runic swallow]

Will be somehow excluded from use by White Scars

But seriously I’d make a guess of some kind of Grav vehicle

[thin ibex]

what we'll get is that thats the barrel of a weapon instead of what we all think it is, a jet turbine

[junior robin]

there is a gun with a jet turbine, the shokk attack gun, so could be a giant variant of that

[runic swallow]

They’ve made a 40k version of Big Wind, one of the more 40k vehicles ever made irl

[past sphinx]

Isn't thay just the ass end of that ugly primaris rhino?

[floral herald]

It’s not but it’s pretty similar

Similar jet and roll cage and pistons

So probably another primaris grav tank

[runic swallow]

I still might guess some kind of Primaris grav-bike

[floral herald]

I think that’s plausible

[soft willow]

Did they say it's Primaris somehow?

[floral herald]

It looks much more compact

But the design language is pretty similar to the primaris vehicles

[soft willow]

Also has some Votann look with the bar having the raised section.

[runic swallow]

Nah I’m just throwing out guesses

I feel confident it’s not for AoS though

[floral herald]

Is that a Votann thing?

[jaunty dawn]

that jet is identical

primaris also have bars like that

[floral herald]

The crash bars mean either primaris or Votann IMO

[jaunty dawn]

i feel like any votann grav thing would have the trike hoverpads rather than a turbine is the thing

[soft willow]

We've seen the turbines on their jet packs.

If it's like a flyer flyer and not a grav bike we might see more turbines.

[floral herald]

True

[jaunty dawn]

those are very different nozzle type things?

[soft willow]

Fair.

I honestly haven't looked too close at the Primaris stuff.

[jaunty dawn]

could be necromunda

[soft willow]

I think that seems more likely.

Than surprise primaris release off codex?

Not that like Space Marines don't get funsies like that.

[jaunty dawn]

unless its like

a stormrider refresh xP

[south axle]

Jet Chariot for Escher

[tired cairn]

I feel like the rules team would be upset if it was a new flyer 😆

What would a bar like that under a jet turbine even be for?

It could be a bumper. But it also makes me think it is a step, which would be a hilarious way to mount a jet vehicle

[thin ibex]

Hey they're releasing a new flyer with the return of the... fuck what was it called?

The argus?

In HH

[tepid stratus]

Arvus lighter

[tired cairn]

Oh, HH is different. I don't know the flyer situation there

[tepid stratus]

Goofy ass flying rhino. It's only purpose is to transport 12 guardsmen

[tired cairn]

The 40k rules team absolutely hates them right now and would probably prefer everyone forgets they exist lol

[tepid stratus]

Valkyries get to barely be okay

[tired cairn]

There are a couple

[tepid stratus]

I wish for a plastic vulture tho

[tired cairn]

I think the Deathwatch one is considered ok?

[tepid stratus]

It's similarly underwhelming but fune

[tired cairn]

Do you take the valk as a flyer, flyer or just as a hover vehicle?

[tepid stratus]

Hover

I prefer the flexibility to put my scions where they're needed

[tired cairn]

I think they should just delete the flyer rules and give them all hover. Even the ork ones. Especially the ork ones

(it's very silly the Necron ones don't hover though)

[jaunty dawn]

the arvus lighter doesnt really do any flyer things

like its literally just a flying rhino

they only just gave it a multi laser option

[tired cairn]

Are flyers bad in HH?

[unreal cosmos]

They're not great

[past sphinx]

Arvus is cool a based and yall are being mean to them 😦

Their a good boy!

[unreal cosmos]

Vehicles in general are comparably fragile

But that's partially because Dreadnaughts are around

[tired cairn]

Are Dreadnoughts "monstrous creatures"? I know HH is based off an older version of 40k, but I don't know the rules of the split that well

[thin ibex]

The tau tigershark is actually not ass, it's that it doesn't offer any utility beyond firepower for its cost

[tired cairn]

It also resulted in a rules change that was basically to nerf just it lmao

[thin ibex]

xD still want one

i love the tau A10

its just actually worse than the normal one rules wise

[tired cairn]

oh lol, it is the AX-1-0

Also wow, that is some sticker shock

[solemn gull]

I’ve played enough WanG to know that Arvus landers are a parties best friend

[jaunty dawn]

dreadnoughts in horus heresy 2 were made effectively monsterous creatures, yeah

the only difference really is they have rules for resisting fleshbane but being suceptible to armourbane and haywire type things

but yeah vehicles are very weak, partially as a result of the fact that people usually bring versatile anti-tank which is gonna just destroy a splash of vehicles

but the classic 40k vehicle system makes them like. immune to some things but very weak to others and everyone brings the others so

I think in addition to the mechanics all the flyers being resin (and particularly not fun resin kits) really like, limits how many people are gonna bring them

[unreal cosmos]

However I do like the idea of spamming Arvuses

Target saturation

[jaunty dawn]

yeee

[unreal cosmos]

Basically play out the opening of any given episode of The Clone Wars

Yeah a couple are gonna go down, it's just math

[jaunty dawn]

just gotta be redundant

[thin ibex]

#only chimeras

Mechanized guard playing the roadblock game seems kinda interesting

Combo with indirect fire and a lot of flamers

[jaunty dawn]

weirdly there isn't one of those for solar auxilia

wait no the aurox

I thought it got squatted for some reason

weird

but yeah it's like, basically a rhino

but for dudes

it can upgrade the heavy stubber to a multilaser

[tired cairn]

Was that an 8th edition change?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

8th edition made everything use the same wound system

[uneven ember]

yeah, the change definitely changes how vehicle units play
the old way was interesting, and it had some pretty neat effects in play ("get someone around to the rear"/"careful with the advance so they can only see the front") but it did have some weird impacts too
I get why they changed it but I'm still a bit ambivilent

[jaunty dawn]

honestly kinda surprised the hh flyer rules are based on the mainline rules and not the much more interesting fw rules

[uneven ember]

what's the difference there?

[sweet solar]

i always thought they should just give facings different toughness values

split the difference

[tired cairn]

Wait, what is FW in this context? Did Forge world print their own rules for flyers?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[tired cairn]

Weird

[jaunty dawn]

because they were the first to make flyers

[tired cairn]

Oh, that makes sense

[tired cairn]

I think that's a bit awkward without vehicles being on bases. But it would reduce the weird pivot shenanigans they introduced recently lol

[floral herald]

Word

[jaunty dawn]

the determining facing part was more what gw wanted to avoid, I'm pretty sure

necromunda just works that way; toughness by facing

[sweet solar]

i think it would be perfect but only if it was done in respect of model geometry- ie dont give a rounded vehicle sides, just a front and back etc

and for a buncha vehicles just have a standard toughness and a weakpoint toughness , like if you get close enough to a knight to shoot up under the carapace insteada facings

the point isnt for every vehicle to have 4 t values its for vehicles to have a point of balance that inspires manuever based play rather than treating them as frictionless gamespheres

[thin ibex]

monolith out here with same toughness all sides

because its a symmetrical pyramid

[floral herald]

It was 14/14/14 back in the day

[sweet solar]

same toughness all sides except the gate on a turn models "deployed" out of it

[uneven ember]

I do remember the fun days of "so your Dreadnaught has a giant puncher and is right around the size of your enemy's monstrous creatures. Based on this you might get the idea to get into close combat with them, and this is the Devil talking to you."

[bright dove]

Ah, the days when melee attacks would target rear armor by default because it was the lowest

[floral herald]

That didn’t happen to walkers!

But also like 95/100 times a carnifex beats a dread in melee if it has crushing claws

[uneven ember]

Walkers got a special exception, yeah, front armor for them.
But 12 still wasn't enough to hold out against Str+2d6 in the assault.

The dreadnaught ccw was for bullying enemy infantry, not getting into fisticuffs with something its own size.

[bright dove]

Always give in to the desire to fight things that can't hurt you

[pulsar cairn]

i was going to say "even my cat?" but my cat can 100% hurt me

[tired cairn]

Most space marines spend their entire lives fighting things their size or smaller. So of course that's what they would be good at if you put them in a giant box

I found carnifexes with crushing claws+ooe to be a bit overkill, so I like to give them double deathspitters

I don't do carnifexes alone because their accuracy is so bad without their grandpa

[bright dove]

I for one subscribe to More Dakka

[tired cairn]

It's not the most dakka (that's the Devourers), but it makes it up with quality. And 24 shots + random extras is a decent number lol

[tardy vault]

Just played a game of Spearhead! ...against a competitive player so it went as expected

Didn't get tabled until final turn tho

Honestly kept it close

[floral herald]

https://www.pretentiousplasticops.com/literature/empirical-bayes
I appreciate this article for KT stats

[verbal tangle]

Working on a combat engineer specialty for Only War, does this seem like a reasonable starting ability spread?

Pioneer
Guardsman Specialty
Characteristic Bonus: +3 Intelligence, +2 Toughness
Starting Aptitudes: Fieldcraft, Strength, Toughness, Intelligence, Tech, Willpower
Starting Skills: Tech-Use, Security, Trade (Technomat or Miner or Carpenter)
Starting Talents: Battlefield Tech-Wright, Weapon Training (Low-Tech, plus any two of Flame, Las, Solid-Projectile)
Specialist Equipment: Good-Craftsmanship M-970, Pump Shotgun or Flamer or Autopistol with Extended Magazine and Carbine Customization, Lascutter or 3 Tube Charges or 4 Demo Charges, Anointed Toolkit, 6 empty sandbags
Starting Wounds: 10 + 1d5

[upper canopy]

How is this different from Operator or Engiseer?

[solemn gull]

Shouldn’t that be an advanced class?

[verbal tangle]

Aaaaargh this is exactly what I was worried about

My general goal, as I haven't finished writing their special abilities, is a specialty based around cover and terrain modification (obviously), plus being able to supply useful tools and equipment

Problem is that both Operator and Enginseer include some field engineering and hole-digging abilities, but not enough to make them really feel like sappers or pioneers

like, realistically the Enginseer's going to be focusing on maintaining vehicles or weapons, not cutting barbed wire or digging trenches, and while the Operator covers some of the relevant tech skills they're almost never going to be, y'know, not operating

[verbal tangle]

I debated this, but wanted to add a starting option for playing a foot-slogger technician character that didn't require building your entire regiment around it. You can achieve this already in-game with stuff like Demolitionists and the Sapper doctrine, but having to dedicate your entire regiment just to building a field engineer character felt like too much

plus, you have Breacher as a logical next step to expand the base class' demolitions abilities

[floral herald]

New EC details

I like the kind of eldar-ish styling for them

[cinder wraith]

why she cute....

(i hate slaanesh but this one i can tolerate somewhat)

[south axle]

In a different chat I'm in someone said the top knot reminded them of Drukhari, which shouldn't be a surprise as they are the ones who basically manifest Slaanesh

[tepid stratus]

Now these I can fuck with

They give me AOS hedonite vibes, I dig the aesthetic crossover

[thin ibex]

Chaos used to have big top knots to be fair

does abby still have ahefty topknot?

[floral herald]

They still have a bunch

But that specific design is more eldar-y

Lots of high topknots in 40K

[tepid stratus]

It's similar design to the top knots on AOS slaanesh stuff which is also similarly elfy

[thin ibex]

oh question to yall, would spearhead be a good way for two total beginners to AOS to try and learn to play it

and also, is TTS support for AOS ok?

[floral herald]

Yes spearhead is good

I have no idea how TTS works for AoS though

[pastel rampart]

Noot noot-ass helmets

[thin ibex]

ok cool, friend of mine is not enthusiastic about 40k, but likes the nighthaunts for aos

[tepid stratus]

The support is there just harder to look for than 40k

And spearhead is fine as an entry point

[thin ibex]

does yellowscribe work for it?

[mild glen]

They are really milking the upcoming EC drop for content, aren't they?

Next month! A lovingly rendered collection of right legs!

[tardy vault]

Bats bats bats

[tardy vault]

According to Yellowscribe no

Please note that only 40K is supported, not AoS or Kill Team.

[bright dove]

Bats Bats Bats!

[tardy vault]

Unfortunately, I think I lost two of the bases

So going to have to buy some next time I'm at the store

they're not too bad to build tho

Hardest parts are the weapons (which always suck) and getting the hair to fit

The hair one is on us because we don't like the masks

So are using the wrong head with the Javalins which has caused issues

but everything has nice little slots to attach them with

as compared to the Witch Aelves which just give you a flat armpit/shoulder and tells you to figure it out

[jaunty dawn]

warcoms been pretty slow lately tbh

so not super surprising

I say slow but like 2-3 updates a day is still a lot for most companies haha

[pastel rampart]

Me: I wonder if I can find some neat thunder hammer files out there
Cults3D: Say no more fam

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/punchy-hammers

[past sphinx]

i love and hate this so much

[thin ibex]

beeg mouf

[glad spear]

Breathe maxing

[pastel rampart]

Well. That's an...interesting way to print a rhino.

Lines up just fine but not quite what I expected when I ordered it.

But hey $15 and free shipping? Hard to beat that.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387454638529 You can see the dividing line in the listing but I figured that was just like, a weird quirk of the printer.

[jaunty dawn]

is that fdm?

[pastel rampart]

Yeah

The lines aren't even that bad honestly.

[jaunty dawn]

yeah not compared to the olden days

[pastel rampart]

Definitely.

I can say it's about the same size as an old-school 2e rhino. Maybe a hair bigger but certainly not enough to be an issue--it's not like putting an old rhino next to the current one.

[past sphinx]

I HAVE WON

FOR THE FIRST TIME, NO FLUBS OR ACCIDENTLY OVER POINTS

The deathgaurd are routed in a straight up brawl!

[jaunty dawn]

nice!!

[mild glen]

Question as someone that has only been into the tabletop for less than a year:
Does GW typically do "black Friday" sales, or am I relying on FLGS/affiliate stores?(Feel free to ping)

[jaunty dawn]

gw does not do sales at all*
*this is basically what the battleboxes and release boxes are in terms of bulk savings, plus unusually??? they gave out a voucher recently for £10 off I need to remember to use

But some third party stores might, for sure. I think it's somewhat rare, and might be kinda a sneaky clearance sale type thing, just cause they're already quite competitive in terms of getting a profit margin of the price they get from gw

[mild glen]

They give out vouchers? Should I check my WH+ account?

[jaunty dawn]

it was email

ummm

[mild glen]

Gothcya

[jaunty dawn]

wh+ is also meant to give you one a year, I think

ohhh

okay yeah

so the voucher I mentioned was 'one year since making a purchase on the warhammer store' since the revamp

so idk if that will be applicable. or apply in all countries. but something to look out for

[past sphinx]

the power of entirely shelf stable stock in a market you completely control

[glad spear]

Battleboxes are probably the cheapest way to buy straight from WH

Buying from LGS can give discounts of maybe 5-10 bucks depending on where you are

At least in the US

Buying second hand is great too

[floral herald]

My local stores do occasional sales

[glad spear]

Yeah mine does too

[floral herald]

I got the new AoS launch box at a 50% discount that way

[glad spear]

Thats how I got my Tau stuff

[orchid venture]

apothecary for my 1995 Primaris army

[floral herald]

this is sick

[jaunty dawn]

oooh

I'm a big fan of the model this is based on, seeing it in og style is very cool

[past sphinx]

thats an uncanny valley beaky helmet

right between the original RT beaky and the modern corvus

very neat

[jaunty dawn]

uncanny valley (pos) haha

canny valley

[mild glen]

Local stores have a maximum discount that they can advertise if they're a GW affiliate.
It's 15%

[jaunty dawn]

which also means a lot of general sales are done in the form of like, loyalty point multipliers

[orchid venture]

on purpose, being as the idea is that its a beakie as it might have been on metal 1990-1995 marines, when beakies weren't really in the range

[past sphinx]

also the right shoulder pad is

bang on for the style

[past sphinx]

why not use the older style of boltgun instead of an HH pattern?

[orchid venture]

its neither! its a 1991 plastic bolt pistol extended!

[past sphinx]

dope

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeag fellow mid-90s SM player.

[past sphinx]

this feeds my early warhammer autism very nicely

[pastel rampart]

Currently futzing with a 90s Blood Angels force.

Been tracking down a bunch of "I love my bolter" marines.

[orchid venture]

this is what the army's 'bolt rifles' look like

[past sphinx]

Slimoid i think i have a bunch of old monopose laying aroun with some captains, i can see about sending them to you if you like

they wont achieve much here

[floral herald]

I love my bolter marine?

[pastel rampart]

Oh shit, lemme know when you find'em

[pastel rampart]

These.

[floral herald]

ahhh

[orchid venture]

here's what the other variations on the intercessor bolt rifle looks like

and yeah, they're exactly those monopose marines, but Primaris

[jaunty dawn]

love the comically large scope

[pastel rampart]

That rules, I love the idea of 90s Primaris.

[orchid venture]

here's one next to my 2nd Edition Tau

[jaunty dawn]

corvus designated marksman 😋

[orchid venture]

here's some of the other units i've created. desolators (with vengor launcher as rogue trader missile launcher), heavy intercessors, eradicators, eliminator, and reivers

i needed to devise retro gravis and phobos armour. the gravis is Errant armour with elements from techmarines and metal devastators, while phobos i had to get a bit more creative but i referenced some rogue trader era scouts, the OG beakie, and some of the RT artificer armour sculpts. the reiver helmets are based on an early chaplain

[past sphinx]

Dug em out its nearly all assault on black reach marines unfortunately

[jaunty dawn]

ohhh i didnt even make that connection with the phobos stuff

[pastel rampart]

Ah, alas. A bit too "young" for what I'm looking for.

[past sphinx]

i might paint em up as dark angels

scale be damned

they desire the blood of the foes of mankind and wont be denied

[orchid venture]

here's my main reference points for the phobos and gravis, basically

[jaunty dawn]

yesss

I love the crenelated greaves, sculpted many onto my iron hands

but the connection between that one beakie and phobos, mind blown

seen reeeelatively recently with 2016s imperial space marine, too. which wouldve been pretty close to primaris being designed

[orchid venture]

yepppp

[floral herald]

Bendy hose armor for the phobos is cool

[jaunty dawn]

these guys have a surprising amount of energy. i love looking up guy

[orchid venture]

yeah!

[past sphinx]

I think I have one of those laying around I should find him

[jaunty dawn]

they also look a bit clanger-esque?

i think their squats make them look somewhat animalistic

googling clangers also led me to the information that they're in era for fulda rift xP

[past sphinx]

10 THOUSAND ELDAR NIGHTSPINNERS CHARGING THE FULDA RIFT

[jaunty dawn]

TANKODESANTNIKI???

[past sphinx]

love the guy on the front, cosplaying ablative armor there

[jaunty dawn]

i think hes posing for a photo to send back home

[pastel rampart]

Posing for next year's Space Marine calendar.

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[past sphinx]

oh thats a good yellow

[jaunty dawn]

prettyyy

love the combo of goblin green and flock on necromunda bases pfff

[pastel rampart]

It's SO goofy, I love it.

[mild glen]

I love these bright colours

[upper bluff]

Those kick ass

[finite compass]

They actually made Valhallan and Catachan tank riders back in the day, didn't they?

[glad spear]

I'm sure theres some third party models for them still

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1311692229366251610/UFsMIpNHfpRnmA9ZlzQdXZegQ5sG7bxFkTYpNE0tQKVVDWrEmGHmAmbmqyf0WSzc4YgZDExwIqSbYaX4SPReMDue.jpg?ex=6749c815&is=67487695&hm=96c932689b4041ffac74c2902306528b5dd10cfd48fd629e85629815fd2d7e95&

[pulsar cairn]

Those Necrons are in for some pain

[paper bluff]

According to a short story, opposite is true

That's right the necrons are one of the few races we have them interacting with the leagues of votan in proper lore

[pulsar cairn]

i believe that but i was thinking of the DRG dwarfs instead

[paper bluff]

Oh. I've never played the game

[pulsar cairn]

ROCK AND STONE

[solemn gull]

Something tells me 4 dwarves aren’t a match for a whole tomb world no matter how much they get to drink

Now if they had bosco they might have a shot

[pulsar cairn]

bosco's a good lad

[floral herald]

https://x.com/assaultmongrel/status/1862126478915166231?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Burgah (@AssaultMongrel) on X

I like chaos marines because they're jobless bums who need money and everyone hates them but they still have swag

Twitter · Nov 28, 2024, 1:28 PM

[tired cairn]

https://x.com/TopMontagnard/status/1862170501109465474

Stanley Baldwin (@TopMontagnard) on X

@AssaultMongrel The CSM also, delightfully, do the most random side quests of any faction. Yeah, fuck it, let’s wrangle an entire warband to hunt down this sword for a thousand years. What’ll it grant on the tabletop? Like +1 strength and attacks

Twitter · Nov 28, 2024, 4:23 PM

[solemn gull]

You can shove 5 to 8 chaos marines in every narrative of 40k. How did they get there? Really shit luck and brotherly love.

[paper bluff]

The iron warrior from the ork book was a cool guy

[past sphinx]

"Hey kids you want some knowledge beyond the scope of the mortal mind"

[past sphinx]

i wouldnt like nightlords if they where good at their job

[thin ibex]

Sick

[meager quail]

True, that is the appeal

They are superhuman badasses but for superhuman badasses they are pretty down-and-out

[floral herald]

Yeah

[meager quail]

It's true that they probably like ... really suck

Just suck so much

But they're still underdogs

Somehow

[desert jay]

They’re underdogs because their galactic logistics network is completely dysfunctional instead of only semi-dysfunctional

Half their procurement is stealing shit from the imperials

[thin ibex]

I kind of like the idea, a bit, of a lot of csm being much better adjusted than their most stand out members

"We're definitely still at war with each other, but we're not all 'I'll have your spine' or 'gotta collect skulls' you know. Sure, sometimes the weight of millenia of War gets to us, brother Ezekiel over there got really into making paper airplanes for example."

[desert jay]

I do think GW needs more narrative room in the setting for teetotaler renegades. (Ie. not even a sip of the powers of Chaos)

But importantly, still staunchly against the Imperium and not just imperials with differences of opinion

[thin ibex]

Or not just abjectly insane, psychotic, sadists uniformally

To add to that list

[desert jay]

But then again if I was writing it myself I’d be looking to find room for Chaos Loyalists too

[desert jay]

There was a reason I specifically chose the word teetotaler, I get that one of the themes of the setting is that the powers of Chaos are intoxicating and self-destructive

[pulsar cairn]

i'm a tourist in the 40k galaxy direct me to the best spots! wrong answers only

[upper bluff]

Catachan has the CUTEST wildlife

They'll eat right out of your hand

[pulsar cairn]

[bright dove]

Ah, the Souleaters chapter

Soul Drinkers actually

[pulsar cairn]

Why are they called that?

[floral herald]

They’re purple I guess

[uneven ember]

I think it is just "because it sounds badass"
like even after they turn there isn't a soul-drinking thing

[pulsar cairn]

I think i remember them actually, didnt one of their guys turn into a spider person?

[uneven ember]

(Nominative determinism being a whole Thing in 40K)

[floral herald]

Yea

[uneven ember]

ye

[pulsar cairn]

[uneven ember]

(like, I've mentioned this before, but how the Chaos fleets are all old Imperial vessels but all the ships that look like really angry arrowheads with classes like "Slaughter" or "Despoiler" wound up going to Chaos and all the ones that look like a trireme and a chappel had a giant space-baby with class names like "Lunar" or "Retribution" wound up in Imperial fleets)

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s funny

[finite compass]

Because the Imperium is nothing if not incredibly salty and renamed the classes after most of them turned Heretic

[uneven ember]

like this is a setting where a dude could be walking around with a name like Ominusius Foreshade Iturnevil and everyone would be obligingly shocked when he turned evil.

[finite compass]

Especially given the background in the original BFG game.

There is a literal civil war over whether capital ships should act like age of sail gunlines, or specialize in ordnance and strike craft. The ordnance side (Gereox Perogative) loses and are declared heretics.

The Imperium when all the strike-craft heavy Gereox Perogative ships go traitor, make up the bulk of the Chaos forces in the Gothic Sector, and are very very good at the typical Chaos raider activities like ambushing convoys and hit and run attacks:

in a related note

Though they nerfed it in Armada 2 by having limited numbers of squadrons per ship

My preferred Chaos loadout in Armada 1 was duly nicknamed "Not The Bees"

[uneven ember]

also note about BFG's timeline
one of the examples of a famous ship of the Gothic War is the Lord Solar Macharius
with the wrinkle being that if you work out the timeline the Gothic War was a couple centuries before Macharius' birth and command

[finite compass]

Theory One: Warp Fuckery

Theory Two: It was a different Lord Solar Macharius

Like that plot point in the Bequin books

About how it's a big deal that the planet is in the aftermath of St. Whoever's crusade

And somebody mentions the crusade being thousands of years in the past. And she's like "Hold on, I thought it was 200 years ago."

And it's basically the Ecclesiarchy recycling the saint and the crusade whenever they need another war

[uneven ember]

I also had Theory Three:
Between the events of the Gothic War and the "present" that the descriptions of the Gothic War are being written from, a voidship that had been involved in the Gothic War was renamed the Lord Solar Macharius, and accounts from before the renaming (and the Lord Solar) were altered to fit.

[finite compass]

Makes sense

But yes

[uneven ember]

and of course Theory Four: somebody's callendar is off by a couple centuries

[finite compass]

I do like how the Grand Cruiser types that can be explicitly Chaos or Imperial have names that can be either/or if you turn your head and squint.

[uneven ember]

ha! agreed

[finite compass]

The Vengeance, the Retaliator, the Executor

[tired cairn]

Isn't that quite a lot of Inquisitors?

[desert jay]

Hahaha yes. But I also would like some military forces covered in spikes and yelling “for the Emperor” as they sic a daemon engine on some xenos

[tired cairn]

In the first computer game, my friend and I played a match where we probably sent a chapter's worth of space marines to die in boarding operations to slowly kill the enemy orks while our capital ships stayed far away

[finite compass]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-alpharius-alpharius-omegon-xx-legion-alpha-legion-horus-heresy-gif-1954184880621989348

[desert jay]

Pfft

[tired cairn]

There are barely any spikes there. The spear only has a few more than normal

[uneven ember]

"For The Emperor And His Very Normal Number (Fewer Than Five) Of Arms"

[paper bluff]

Heresy

[runic swallow]

No, you don’t understand it’s the normal number of arms, that can’t be heresy if it’s the normal number of arms

The totally normal number of arms

[still warren]

If you think about most people have above the average number of arms so who can say how many are ok to have

[thin ibex]

Look would a two armed emperor have a claw, a sword, and a shield? I think not

Didn't he also have a spear

[finite compass]

"How many arms does the Emperor have, Citizen?"

"All of them. All of the arms. For we are all of the Emperor, and thus our arms are his arms."

[past sphinx]

i wonder why the obliterator virus isnt a more used concept with chaos

[runic swallow]

I do like the concept that Pert is somehow the patient zero or originator of the Obliterator virus

[solemn gull]

he is?

[runic swallow]

Oh, not officially it’s just a neat idea I’ve heard

[solemn gull]

what's the context behind people thinking that?

[runic swallow]

Basically that the art we have of deamon Prince pert tends to look kinda obliterator-y

And the vibes fit

[uneven ember]

the sort of bio-organic meld "so many guns" Terminator-looking thing gives an impression yeah

also generally "instead of gribbly tentacles you get guns coing out of your face" thing feels generally Iron Warrior-ish to me

[runic swallow]

If Brundle was in the telepod with a gun collection instead of a fly

[runic swallow]

Oh, they tend to hack off any chaos mutations and replace it with cybernetics

Part of why it’s always kinda odd to make IW CSM using the CSM kit since the mutated spikey look doesn’t exactly fit with them like it does with everyone else

[thin ibex]

The melee counterpart to the obliterators just don't exist right?

Anymore I mean

[brittle salmon]

Yeah Mutilators got scuttled

[runic swallow]

I don’t think they have a new kit no

[brittle salmon]

They had basically no niche in a faction with far faster melee, and slower melee that was tougher and more reliable

[thin ibex]

What do we think they'd need to be viable?

[floral herald]

Guns

[brittle salmon]

Keep them non viable they're absolutely hideous

[floral herald]

They’re IMO completely superfluous and only existed because GW was addicted to “build 2 ways” kits at the time

[thin ibex]

I was thinking like a strong special rule

[brittle salmon]

Some of the worst model work I've seen out of GW in the past 5 years

[floral herald]

Previous to them Oblits just had a fuck ton of melee weapons

[runic swallow]

Oh man the finecast mutilators were uuuuuugly

As were the Obliterator but something about the multilators was worse

[thin ibex]

Oh oblits used to just be good at everything unit?

[brittle salmon]

They had power fists iirc

[floral herald]

They also had power swords

But people very rarely used them

Well, power weapons

Swords weren’t a specific type

[pastel rampart]

3.5 oblits only had power fists.

[floral herald]

I think 4e ones had swords

[pastel rampart]

Nope!

[uneven ember]

yeah, "melee Obliterators" just don't need to be a thing

[pastel rampart]

3.5

4th

5pt increase in 4th, losing missile launcher and autocannon but getting twin-linked flamer and plasma cannon. Otherwise the same.

[floral herald]

Huh

I thought they had generic ones as well

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KjxpE/66fa70b32e.jpg

6th ed.

There was basically never a reason to take Mutilators because oblits could do the same damn job. 2 power fists attacks, 3 on the charge is sufficient for most situations and they got good ranged weapons.

[brittle salmon]

Oblits were basically a termie heavy weapon squad + the Swiss army knife capabilities, but they took a heavy support slot

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Which, in a lot of editions, was fighting with vindicators for use.

[brittle salmon]

Hard to argue with the S10 AP2 small pie plate

[pastel rampart]

Large pie plate on that puppy.

Now you could make a case for the Defiler over the vindicator--only 25pts more, more weapons, only slightly worse large blast (S8 AP3)--but it was huge model-wise and honestly kind of all over the place. It has a good ranged weapon but worse BS and also two dreadnought CCWs so it wants to get into melee, but then it can't fire it's battle cannon, and just. Really weird use case.

[past sphinx]

a FNP honestly

the shooty boys are prime targets for getting smacked by shit in an alpha strike

[finite compass]

In 3rd ed they were kind of useless.

Obliterators

Because they had the rule that they while they could arm themselves with a bunch of weapons, every obliterator had to choose a different one.

[thin ibex]

they seem more chunky and less meldy in their classic form]

[jaunty dawn]

modern obliterator is kinda just like

"stick a bunch of spare parts into a big ball of milliput"

[pastel rampart]

May arm themselves with a different weapon, not must.

[pulsar cairn]

I'll say

Eversor assasins dont feel like assasins to me

Aint assasins supposed to be more used for precision strikes and stuff?

An eversor assasins feels like a force of nature in vibe

You release them somewhere and they kill everything

[jaunty dawn]

they do have super sneaky drop pods

but they're like, for when you need to assassinate everyone in a given operation zone

and you can only send one person, but that one person needs to survive long enough to get like a hundred people

before any of them get away, as well

[thin ibex]

Eversors are also like, an overt statement, alongside being intended to wipe an area rather than one or a couple guys

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8N1uUm6/

[floral herald]

Ok that's pretty sick

[thin ibex]

Right? Looks great even as a wip

[untold swallow]

Aren't Eversors also like

Insanely weapon horny

[solemn gull]

What

[paper bluff]

An eversor assassin is what you send when you want to kill the cult leader and every cultists in the way and send a message

[untold swallow]

There's an excerpt from a book about an Eversor being very into the hardware

Not like

Actually horny

But like

[solemn gull]

They can form full sentences now?

[untold swallow]

It feels apt?

Short sentences, but

yes?

Is that

Weird?

[paper bluff]

I imagine an Eversor being a bit like bane combined with random ticks and barely there

[floral herald]

I think all the temple assassins are geardos but that includes eversors for sure

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like all the assassins are horny for their thing

[untold swallow]

geardo is a fantastic term

I'm stealing that

[jaunty dawn]

because the concept is just like, 'holistic rewiring off a human psyche for assassination'

[solemn gull]

Very weird, most Eversors are having a hard time with object permeance outside of killing

[jaunty dawn]

plus they're all wearing latex bodysuits yknow

[solemn gull]

They are a drug cocktailed blue shell

[untold swallow]

shrugs I find latex-clad assassin types

Fucking boring so I didn't know lol

[solemn gull]

The callidius is the only one that gets that treatment tbh

[jaunty dawn]

no?

[untold swallow]

I

looks at them

[jaunty dawn]

they're all wearing synskin

[floral herald]

Yeah they’re all wear space latex

[jaunty dawn]

or like, the super special assassin version of it

[floral herald]

Except the weird chaos one

[jaunty dawn]

who isn't a temple assassin

[floral herald]

https://preview.redd.it/heresy-thursday-chaos-assassin-infernus-abomination-v0-gqawfqo4wjia1.jpg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=328765de113761d47697131ade484d0bf2f6adb5

Yeah

[pulsar cairn]

That looks so cool

[untold swallow]

I mean I guess Fried thought my objection was the Callidus being horny?

Which

Is part of it

But like

No I just find the concept fucking boring lol

And they are all various ice cream flavors of that

[glad spear]

Ignoring the latex part, I think the idea of them being hyper focused on doing one thing really well is a little neat

[untold swallow]

Now the Callidus is the one I dislike the most because of the horny, but

[glad spear]

Like obliterating psykers or just being a drug fueled killing machine

[past sphinx]

Or shooting people really far away

[jaunty dawn]

the whole like

most extremely with the eversor

[paper bluff]

Don't forgot the 30k ones

[jaunty dawn]

but 'locked away except to perform one specific act' is very charged

[paper bluff]

Information, literally a ninja, and poisons

[jaunty dawn]

I love/hate the ninja one cause it's just like

his assassin specialism is doing assassin things

[untold swallow]

the ninja kills me inside

[pulsar cairn]

[paper bluff]

Ultramarine of the assassin world

[glad spear]

I like the Vindicare and Culuxes the most

[jaunty dawn]

I am a big fan of the anti-tech assassin though

especially in political context of 30k were there's a big undercurrent of preparing for a future civil war, just like, the wrong one

[glad spear]

I love anti psykers

(As a tau player especially lol)

[bright dove]

I enjoy the poison assassins

[runic swallow]

Yeah, smart money would probably been on a breakaway attempt by some of the newly captured systems or a civil war with the Mechanicum

Not “oops half the super soldiers decided to listen to space monsters”

[bright dove]

Horus came fr9m the blind spot of knowledge

[finite compass]

3rd, not 3.5

So this codex

[jaunty dawn]

which was still useful since half the mechanicum was on the same side tbf

[runic swallow]

Yeah, wasn’t not useless

[pastel rampart]

When you said 3rd I thought you meant like, the entire edition which was mostly the 3.5 book--that one was 1999, 3.5 was 2002, so it didn't last long.

Also mostly forgotten lol

Hm. 4th ed was 2004 but the 4e CSM book didn't come out till 2007.

[jaunty dawn]

funny that that is now the standard length of a codex on average haha

(though if 11e is another reset, that's gonna trend even further down...)

[pastel rampart]

I suspect it will be, because GW is addicted to the grind.

[jaunty dawn]

bleh

[pale narwhal]

I very much dislike the constant turnover of editions- it makes it difficult for the rules teams to actually nail balance when the core rules change every few years

(Especially since codex releases are staggered massively)

[thin ibex]

I think it's maybe a bit quick BUT I much prefer it to rules stagnancy. They can definitely improve the formula though

[jaunty dawn]

I think the big problem is that a 3 year cycle is clearly unsustainable on the rules team

[untold swallow]

I'm debating what my renegade space wolf psyker should wield in Wrath & Glory

The options are; a force halberd, a force sword and force axe, a force sword and lightning claw, or a force axe and lightning claw

[thin ibex]

Sword and claw imo

[jagged dawn]

we're leaning axe and claw

[jaunty dawn]

axe and claw

sword and claw is classic but for space wolf I'd swap sword for axe

[untold swallow]

hmmm

[desert jay]

It was a pace that was set when the edition changes were more incremental, but 40K 10e and AOS 3e and 4e have been pretty sweeping

[jaunty dawn]

honestly it already felt fast in like 8e -> 9e

[desert jay]

I'm not familiar with that transition period so I didn't include it, but I believe it

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah the full reset every 3 years is what makes it unsustainable

um

I don't hate the warcry/kill team 24 thing of like

it's technically a full reset but its also not?

cause its also kinda just a start of edition game-wide update

where your rules aren't just completely reset to beginning

[untold swallow]

Okay wait

Eisenhorn has a fucking alpha legion marine in his retinue?

[jaunty dawn]

which is also a little bit how aos 3 worked with all the 2e rules being free

[finite compass]

I really don't want to spoil those books. 😛 Less retinue more ally, as far as we know.

Which is doubly interesting because in the same book he's apparently actively horrified by the implications of what the Word Bearers represent.

While he's running around with an Alpha Legionnaire and a Daemonhost

[untold swallow]

lmao

[past sphinx]

Eisnhorn has the hallowed position of being a 40k protagonist that isn't some exception to the rule

Absolute shitbag as he ought to be

[finite compass]

The hypocrisy and death of idealism is the entire point of his character arc.

By the end, he's basically doing the exact same sort of stuff he killed Quixos for.

But it's 'different'

Because he's doing it for the right reasons.

(To him anyway, because it's all written in first person)

[runic swallow]

Eisenhorn is simultaneously very aware of stuff and an absolute self deluding moron

[tired cairn]

I am sad he went to legends. He had the funniest rule

All inquisitors got "Unquestionable Wisdom", which he lost when he used his magic book to create a daemonhost lmao

[jaunty dawn]

haha yeah

he was fun

[upper canopy]

https://bsky.app/profile/robertrath.bsky.social/post/3lc4widkpa22s

Robert Rath (@robertrath.bsky.social)

I am the very model of the Lord Solar Macharius

I’ve memorized my stratagems and battle tactics various

I know the Guardsman’s Primer and the Tactica Imperium

And every type of weapon from a lasgun to bacterium…

(cont.)

Bluesky · Nov 30, 2024, 1:19 AM

https://bsky.app/profile/robertrath.bsky.social/post/3lc4wlohwps2s

Robert Rath (@robertrath.bsky.social)

I’m also well acquainted with the xenobiological

Aldari craftworlds, exodites and raiders diabolical

I differentiate a Necron from an Ork with perfect clarity…

…and recognize the early signs of Genestealer vulgarity

[TROOPERS]
AND RECOGNIZE THE EARLY SIGNS OF GENSTEALER VULGARITY (x3)

Bluesky · Nov 30, 2024, 1:21 AM

[uneven ember]

😌

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_flGA2fnr6Y

This is the Schola Progenium

[solemn gull]

Become enlightened and just play rogue trader/2e

[pale narwhal]

I have been tempted to try at some point

[mild glen]

Anybody know who might have some good T'au corpse bits? Specifically looking to put some on Be'lakor's base instead of the Marine

[past sphinx]

firewarriors are cheap as hell second hand

[mild glen]

Yeah, but they don't exactly pose like dead bodies

[past sphinx]

knives and files fix that

[faint galleon]

has anyone done this but for Fabricator-General

[pulsar cairn]

Who's the current fabricator general?

[faint galleon]

ah, totalbiscuit posted the line once..

[junior robin]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Oud_Oudia_Raskian this guy

a tech-priest the size of a house

[pulsar cairn]

Oh dear

He cant even go from place to place without it being a logistical challenge

[dense idol]

question; how much of the 2012 Dark Vengeance starter set is still extant?

that is, which units still exist in the modern rules

    1x Dark Angels Company Master
    1x Dark Angels Librarian
    5x Dark Angels Deathwing Terminators
    10x Dark Angels Tactical Space Marines
    3x Dark Angels Ravenwing Bikes

    1x Chaos Space Marines Lord
    6x Chaos Chosen Space Marines
    1x Chaos Space Marines Hellbrute
    20x Chaos Space Marines Cultists

[jaunty dawn]

for the latter;

• lord is fine
• chosen exist, but have weird loadouts I'd have to double check line up properly, and would be a 5 man unit. The exalted champion character the 6th chosen could be used for is no longer a codex unit legal in tournament play, but does have rules
• helbrute is fine
• cultists with rifles are no longer a thing; you can take traitor guard, but they get a bunch of special weapon options. it's weird. Melee cultists no longer get the option to take the flamer, nor the shotgun on the champion.

the former;

• he's just a captain/doesn't get a seperate datasheet
• likewise
• terminators are fine, optimally would like a token to represent their once per game use of watcher in the dark
• tacticals are fine
• took some digging but aiui ravenwing bikers became generic bikers which became removed from codex in favour of outriders; upshot of this is, no power sword on the sergeant in tournament play.

[dense idol]

i see, thank you

[paper bluff]

High lords duties aside. Extremely high up tech priests generally don't want to move

Unless reasons

[dense idol]

i was just curious about these half-broken decades-old miniatures i still have in this box

[jaunty dawn]

np!

[topaz elk]

Solomon David

[past sphinx]

the blood rune burns, the gates of tinsel strewn warp are cast open

[soft willow]

It’s been a good read so far

[thin ibex]

ooo

think it has an audiobook?

[soft willow]

Worth checking!

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-its-always-sunny-charlie-day-charlie-kelly-hobby-gif-8651231

[floral herald]

They targeting eyepiece is sick

[pastel rampart]

I love that old devastator/heavy weapon look

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/2nd-ed-space-heavy-weapons Someone sculpted the old 2e heavy weapons so I plan to print'em out and magnetize them.

[sour sequoia]

Got my first AoS win today

Scorched Earth versus Tzeentch

-----
Grand Alliance Chaos | Skaven | Warpcog Convocation
Drops: 3
Spell Lore - Lore of Ruin
Prayer Lore - Noxious Prayers
Manifestation Lore - Primal Energy
-----
General’s Regiment
Grey Seer (120)
• General
• Foulhide
Acolyte Globadiers (130)
Clanrats (150)
Clawlord on Gnaw-beast (160)
• Short-tempered
---
Regiment 1
Grey Seer (120)
Clanrats (150)
Ratling Gun (300)
• Reinforced
---
Regiment 2
Warlock Engineer (140)
Stormfiends (260)
• 1 Ratling Cannons and Clubbing Blows
• 1 Shock Gauntlets
• 1 Clubbing Blows and Warpfire Projectors
Warp Lightning Cannon (160)
Warplock Jezzails (300)
• Reinforced
-----
Faction Terrain
Gnawhole```

God I fucking love ratling guns

[bright dove]

Hell yeah, Magic Guns beat Wiznerds again.

[sonic hare]

https://bsky.app/profile/cerberusxt.bsky.social/post/3lc64q2dqy22s

CerberusXt (@cerberusxt.bsky.social)

Trans necron is canon btw.

#warhammer40k #warhammercommunity

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Bluesky · Nov 30, 2024, 12:44 PM

not often you go from flesh to necrodermis with your entire gender intact. quite normal

[pulsar cairn]

speaking of necrons

Are the mindless warriors better off than their lords?