#Warhammer and Such

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finite compass
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From normal Trukks anyway. if you put an armored top on it, you didn't get the exception

mental birch
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I thought you giggled off the alpha strike

runic swallow
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I love dumb ork stuff

finite compass
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Bu then again why would you put an armored top on a Trukk?

thin ibex
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My 8e tau experience was "I'm taking away your biggest toys. There is almost nothing you can do about it. I am then going to die to a single basic infantry unit running amoc in my line

finite compass
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That means the Boyz in the back can't Dakka

runic swallow
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That’s no fun, you wouldn’t do that to the Boyz, would you?

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They crave to shoot and die historic on the fury road

finite compass
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There are so many of these conversions and I love all of them

runic swallow
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Yeah, it’s great

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Like, I seriously wonder what is the crossover of orks inspired by Mad Max > Fury Road effects guys played 40k > Fury Road is kinda like orks > Orks take further inspiration from Fury Road

tired cairn
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I don't know if it is still true, but 10e had a slight edge to the second player at least at one point

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(I think because of how last turn scoring works for a bunch of missions)

runic swallow
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If anyone has played the new version of Horus Heresy, how’s the reaction system work and do you think it’s helps the whole IGYG first turn advantage thing?

thin ibex
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1st turn advantage is much less in 10th from what i understand

runic swallow
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I’m kinda interested in how/if in-depth reaction systems helps games that still want to do IGYG

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I would feel it at least would help with the getting distracted/bored during your opponents turn if done well

past sphinx
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Your telling me this guy has 8 demons in him?

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He looks like he mows his lawn 3 times a week so he doesn't have to talk to his family

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He illudes to his regressive social politics in the work place in the hopes someone agrees with him so he can rant

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But 8 demons?

quaint compass
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Demons are stored in the limbs

floral herald
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he kicked their asses with regressive social politics

quaint compass
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Eightbound-by-traditionalist-values

floral herald
past sphinx
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Modifying his rhino to roll coal

untold swallow
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are striking scorpions any good?

floral herald
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yeah

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They're relatively tough for Eldar, infiltrate, and work well as light infantry assassins

rocky shale
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They can do some real work if led by karandras too

untold swallow
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ynnari army lol

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no phoenix lords

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xD

uneven ember
untold swallow
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Yvraine (125pts): Kha-vir, the Sword of Sorrows, Storm of Whispers, Warlord
Archon (85pts): Huskblade, Splinter Pistol
Shadowseer (75pts): Miststave, The Weeping Stones, Shuriken Pistol

10x Corsair Voidscarred (160pts)
5x Howling Banshees (70pts)
5x Howling Banshees (70pts)
10x Incubi (170pts)
10x Mandrakes (130pts)
5x Scourges (120pts)
5x Striking Scorpions (65pts)
5x Striking Scorpions (65pts)
5x Striking Scorpions (65pts)
12x Troupe (180pts)
3x Shroud Runners (80pts)
Falcon (130pts): Pulse Laser, Wraithbone hull, Shuriken Cannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
Falcon (130pts): Pulse Laser, Wraithbone hull, Shuriken Cannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
Raider (80pts): Bladevanes, Dark Lance
Wave Serpent (110pts): Wraithbone Hull, Twin Shuriken Catapult, Twin Shuriken Cannon``` "Woe, Deep Strike and Infiltrator be upon you"
uneven ember
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(I keep getting the terrible ideas.)
(Coal-rolling trukks with ball and chain truck nuts. Maybe with "MORON LOBBY" on the bumper.)

untold swallow
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lmao

thin ibex
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I do like how falcons are deepstrikers

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Deep striking falcons with fire dragons is a thought

untold swallow
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It is, however this list feels very flavorful with a bunch of banshee pirates

upper canopy
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(cannot find the source if anyone else can)

floral herald
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Oh my gosh

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untold swallow
# untold swallow ```The Visarch (90pts): Asu-var, The Sword of Silent Screams Yvraine (125pts): K... 
Bladeguard Ancient (55pts): Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Pennant of Remembrance
Captain (105pts): Warlord, Shroud of Heroes, Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle, Melee Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle, Master-crafted Power Weapon
Chaplain (60pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum
Judiciar (85pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, Executioner Relic Blade, Weapons of the First Legion
Librarian (65pts): Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Smite
Librarian in Phobos Armour (70pts): Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Smite
Lieutenant (65pts): Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle & Melee Weapon, Master-crafted Power Weapon, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle
Lieutenant (65pts): Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle & Melee Weapon, Master-crafted Power Weapon, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75pts)
5x Heavy Intercessor Squad (95pts)
5x Intercessor Squad (80pts)

6x Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180pts)
4x Company Heroes (95pts)
5x Infiltrator Squad (100pts)
6x Inner Circle Companions (180pts)
5x Sternguard Veteran Squad (90pts)
Stormraven Gunship (280pts): Armoured Hull, 2x Stormstrike Missiles, Twin Assault Cannon, Typhoon Missile Launcher

10x Deathwatch Kill Team (200pts)```The list of the Marines I made this Ynnari list to have as an antagonist
floral herald
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I love the Hellstorm templates

past sphinx
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Its amazing

floral herald
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I forget the name of that one

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Ah, Apocalyptic Barrage

silk verge
uneven ember
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ahhhhh, I remember those!

silk verge
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need them to be green

tired cairn
floral herald
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same haha

lofty warren
floral herald
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For HH

lofty warren
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ah

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i presume its just the same mold from 2002 or whatever

uneven ember
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special templates you had in Apocalypse.
Bigger Flamer, Bigger Blast Template, Blast Template That's Five Blast Templates

untold swallow
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I feel like less characters and adding some vehicles might be the wave

pastel rampart
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[Bob Ross voice] Just add a little skull on it.

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uneven ember
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happy little skull

unreal cosmos
paper bluff
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They're all smooth like a ken doll down there

untold swallow
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Do drukhari enjoy their own pain?

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I know they use the pain of others to sustain themselves

floral herald
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Not the same way but yes

untold swallow
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I ask for a kind of stupid reason

floral herald
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Like kabalite warrior armor is attached via skin hooks and shit

untold swallow
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My Visarch counts as is going to be a former drukhari archon who got her arm cut off by my Yvraine counts as and I'm trying to gauge if 'love at first dismemberment' is a thing drukhari are twisted enough to have XDDDD

thin ibex
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In general, drukhari have an extremely twisted relationship with pain

spice flicker
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So I was looking at the names of the crusade forces my friends created and I can only smh at the custodes player's army name: The Celestial Chippendales. I don't even have to ask if he's a fan of the fabstodes from tts.

mental birch
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Heh

spice flicker
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Allarus shield captain : Captain Wei Hung Lo
Custodian guard: the pole bearers
Venatari: the Jetstream gentlemen
Etc.

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I only told him he could make such jokes with his custodes if he found models based on the tts custodes so I guess we will see if he found such models on tabletop simulator.

jaunty dawn
untold swallow
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pfff

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I take it you are intrigued by the idea of space elf... surprisingly non-toxic yuri

untold swallow
spice flicker
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The DE can easily resurrect themselves if they're on good terms with a homunculi so I bet there that wouldn't be an issue.

spice flicker
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Honestly with how obsessed he is with ancient Greece and Rome I'm surprised he went all in on his joke instead of going with a greco roman name for the captain.

floral herald
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Eldar in general can regrow limbs too so it’s less of a big deal

untold swallow
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I think in this case the Visarch counts as is gonna have a prosthetic

mental birch
spice flicker
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I agree

untold swallow
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Oh no

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I've realized who my faceclaim for the Visarch proxy is

spice flicker
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Sure the setting is dark and grim at first glance but the more you look into it, the more humor and satire you'll find.

untold swallow
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40k is deeply silly, as demonstrated by the bsdm elves who wear armor that hooks into their skin

spice flicker
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The grumpy old men that are the necron overlords

jaunty dawn
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getting a prosthetic arm like getting a kiss and saying 'im never washing this cheek again'

jagged dawn
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hmm, on the topic of eldar anyone have some advice for making a very wraith heavy list?

untold swallow
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XD

jagged dawn
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We've just always liked the idea ever since stumbling across the designs for the various warith units

floral herald
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Otherwise I think it’s relatively straightforward but weird to execute with

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Since eldar are traditionally fast and fragile and wraith-heavy is slow and tough

rocky shale
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Small wraiths good, big wraiths bad

jagged dawn
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Well we made a list that stuffed a baneblade into 2000 points of GSC back when you had the “quarter of your army” rule so unconventional is our normal approach to armies

rocky shale
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Also spiritseers are mandatory

upper bluff
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I would wait for the codex if you're interested in optimizing. One of the best stratagems explicitly don't work on wraiths

jagged dawn
rocky shale
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You will also need some faster units no matter what since wraiths are too damn slow for playing objectives

jagged dawn
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(Be aware these are mostly on paper ideas since our current physical army is chaos knights)

rocky shale
jagged dawn
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Ah right yeah, forgot

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Going to be honest the newer editions threw us off since the last codex we bought was around 9e?

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And that was before the current changes to how detachments work

floral herald
thin ibex
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I forget iyanden was lore wise originally loosely known for fleet/Corsair, then almost all of them died and now they're known for their wraith constructs due to needing to use more and more of em?

paper bluff
thin ibex
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It's why we don't see a lot of bionic eldar

jagged dawn
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We don’t recall what they originally were but yeah now they’re known for their wraith constructs because basically everyone died

floral herald
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But that’s not the norm

spice flicker
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Never read that anywhere

floral herald
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I think it’s in one of the path of the eldar books? Something about eldar healing stimulating (super)natural regeneration

untold swallow
floral herald
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So they just kinda wolverine back together with proper care

untold swallow
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hmm

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now that I know Yriel has the fourth Crone Sword

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I wonder if Eldrad is gonna somehow retrieve the last one

floral herald
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I think that’s the one in Slaanesh’s house

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Might be hard haha

untold swallow
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I know it's in the palace of Slaanesh

thin ibex
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Just get kaldor to go get it

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He can just walk in

untold swallow
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But they did just get a psychically awakened Sister of Battle dropped into their lap

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Who at this point is notable for telling psychic and anti-psychic phenomena 'No.'

thin ibex
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i forget is it legit drukhari lore that b ecause they dont use t heir psychic abilities externally, a lot of it is pointed inward, enhancing their senses and physical abilities?

floral herald
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They’re also just less psychic

untold swallow
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I think it's more like sense compensation

floral herald
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As a defense mechanism for Slaanesh

untold swallow
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Their psychic abilities have atrophied from lack of use to not be seen by Slaanesh

thin ibex
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reason i ask is i was wondering if drukhari feel physically weaker around a blank

untold swallow
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That would be interesting but I doubt it

upper bluff
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The Crone Sword in Slaanesh's palace is the one wielded by Shalaxi, right? Or does Shalaxi keep it in the palace

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Either way I hope we get more ynnarii stuff in the future

untold swallow
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I think Slaanesh would probably murder Shalaxi if they risked battling with it in realspace and losing it

upper bluff
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It's fun when people do things in the setting

thin ibex
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imagine slaanesh being so sure that keeping it in the palace and out of the physical would protect it, and kaldor comes rumbling through for hte upteenth time and yoinks it

untold swallow
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I would curse the name of Matt Ward if that happened

floral herald
bright dove
floral herald
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I think the Ynnari plot line is tricky to advance since it’ll basically blow a whole through the setting if they succeed

thin ibex
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(a bit funny tht Caedo is largely celebrated but people wanna forget about draigo)

floral herald
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But also them succeeding but failing to outright kill Slaanesh and now Fulgrim is on the warpath about it is good

spice flicker
bright dove
thin ibex
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yeah that def makes sense

jagged dawn
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Annoyingly our new recruit got wiped so we lost all our lists

thin ibex
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its just amusing cause draigo is in a much better position to have their feats be canon

upper bluff
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To be fair to the Ynnari plotline too no one said killing slaanesh would be instant

thin ibex
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i actually have to just clear my lists semi frequently cause i make so many in new recruit

upper bluff
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Really its just a chekov's gun if they ever want to make Aeldar important (so never)

thin ibex
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to be fair they gave them massive importance as recently as resurrecting a primarch, so as far as GW is concerned they've gotten their quota of narrative spotlight for the decade

rocky shale
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Emperors children finally gets a range then they kill off slannesh

thin ibex
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slaanesh being a shattered god would be some wild khaine parity

floral herald
rocky shale
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Yeah true

thin ibex
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aos slaanesh is in jail right?

bright dove
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Yep

untold swallow
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I feel like the crone swords will, if anything, sever Slaanesh from the remaining Eldar souls they've not consumed

rocky shale
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I will trade one ynnari plot line falling through for Isha being freed from nurgle coinciding with an exodite range release

untold swallow
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As Ynnead will be born and shepherd all souls of the Eldar

thin ibex
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wouldn't the ynnead effectively just solve the doom of the aeldari in that yes they die but also they are ok

floral herald
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Yeah that’s basically the hope for it

untold swallow
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That is the point of making Ynnead yeah

bright dove
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Theoretically

rocky shale
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Yeah, but imo that doesn't really ruin the faction concept

bright dove
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But we could wind up with a Nagash with that, so...

untold swallow
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Now this means that Ynnead being made real will likely never happen barring Games Workshop's final hurrah

thin ibex
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i do think the ynnari as they exist now (lore wise not table wise) work well, with a partially awoken god, with its own avatar, having limited but prnounced influence in the world

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The ynnead actually fully existing feels like it'd... really really shift things

rocky shale
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Give us AoS-tier 600 point units you cowards

untold swallow
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Lemme make Ynnari without a list tax unit GW, blease

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I'll probably use Yvraine and the Visarch anyways cuz they're cool but blease

rocky shale
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At least yvraine is viable

untold swallow
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Anti-Infantry Devastating go brrrrt

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Also the regen

rocky shale
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4++ 5+++ regening clown car go brrrr

untold swallow
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"Why yes, I am bringing Yvraine, the Visarch, and 10 Voidscarred to this boarding action."

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(I know this isn't actually a good idea lol)

rocky shale
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Unfortunately I don't think that's an option in the new boarding patrol rules

untold swallow
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MOTHER-

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XD

rocky shale
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The list building is more restricted

floral herald
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I think the funniest boarding patrol box with 20 cultists and ABADDON THE DESPOILER

rocky shale
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A lot of those boxes were wacky

floral herald
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There we are

untold swallow
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oh hey look a legionary kill team

jagged dawn
untold swallow
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Someone did the black mage eyes on an ironkin and now I believe that is the superior way

soft willow
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Why do I suddenly feel the default name for an ironkin is Vivi?

thin ibex
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yall think the regular lrbt cannon is a good generalist?

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was thinking about which lrbt id spam if i did spam

spice flicker
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Yeah

soft willow
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It’s a decent generalist weapon with the caveat of you need to bring something else that has AP value alongside them.

untold swallow
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God I just came up with the dumbest epithet for my corsair princess yvraine proxy

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'The Hand-Taker'

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'Oh is this like, a Khainite thing or?'

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'No it's a joke about how my wife thought me cutting off her arm was so hot she pledged fealty to me.'

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@jaunty dawn look upon this yuri cringe

jaunty dawn
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yesssss

untold swallow
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'It is also a Khainite thing.'

thin ibex
paper bluff
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Let it be said through, a heumonculus would develop a cellular growth injector that would have exposed nerves growing ou the whole time to make it the most painful process you could imagine

paper bluff
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Or to make up for the wedding of screams

thin ibex
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cegorach can be a it mercurial; could see them holding onto it too if they got a hold of it

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also not a strictly friendly/good god of the aeldari

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cruel jokes are not beyond them

paper bluff
paper bluff
untold swallow
paper bluff
thin ibex
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i wonder if warp god emperor would fucking hate itself

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an emperor made up of what all of humanity thinks is the emperor; with a core fragment of the emperor that they threw into the warp a while back

paper bluff
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The actual emperor bit of the God-Emperor would be disgusted with what has happened to himself

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Funnily enough, of people that could go into the throne room and understand that being on the throne..... I bet Lorgar could

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Lord, a redeemed Lorgar would be such a good fucking plot line

thin ibex
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i can't see it

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he's so far down the rabbit hole

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how do we feel about the punisher lrbt and the executioner?

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i figure the... i forget what its called; the ignored cover cannon, can be kinda ignored

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ive never seen the utility for it

jagged dawn
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Alright nevermind we’re pausing the eldar army planning and moving over to GSC

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Minor problem with that is we aren’t overly familiar with GSC either since they require a bit of planning to work well

thin ibex
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my thought is that they are probably slightly weak in a casual hand and are very rewarding with experience

paper bluff
# thin ibex i can't see it

He's been manipulated by his step-dad pretty much from the beginning and is still being. He's not godsworn and barely does anything with his "meditation on the true meaning of chaos"

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The imperial cult is also based on his work

jagged dawn
paper bluff
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I think guilliman talking to lorgar and saying "you were right in a way. He is a god. But one undesirable"

floral herald
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Eradictor is aiui overspecialized for its cost

thin ibex
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which is hte plasma one? I like the autocannon one but tthe plasma one seems a little lackluster

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im trying to figure out when/if the eradicator has a place at all

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i guess if you expect everything to have cover frequently

floral herald
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Exterminator is the autocannon one and it’s also pretty good

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Eradictor is I think too specialized for a TAC list

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But I don’t think it’s awful

pulsar cairn
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just got to understand nagash lore

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and wow

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dude really is a dick

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i also understand why the skaven wanna fuck with him all the time

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he got a huge stash of warpstone

untold swallow
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Nagash is Awful™️, ye

paper bluff
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He's not only awful, he's selfish awful. But in a Lawful evil sort of way. Negash would have been a great capitalist

runic swallow
uneven ember
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yeah that sounds entirely appropriate imo

untold swallow
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lmao nice

thin ibex
floral herald
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That does look neat

thin ibex
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my mental is that its the armor leading the way

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mortars and hovering air cover pound strong points

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infantry have close quarters punch

untold swallow
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I think I'm gonna rename the corsair fleet

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since the current name is very obviously Khainite related

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But I feel like the deldar are gonna sorta represent the khainite half what with the incubi and such

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and that the seer-princess should be a follower of Morai-Heg

pulsar cairn
paper bluff
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Settra wanted power and to be the best

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Na'gash wanted power, to be the strongest, and spite anyone that would try otherwise

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Settra knows he's better than you

pulsar cairn
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vicksyThink he was as competent as he was tyrannical wasnt he?

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Setra that is

paper bluff
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Yes

spice flicker
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If I ever get into a 2000 points battle against my friend who likes to being eldar aircraft.

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jagged dawn
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Alright we’ve heard a lot of talk about how the new GSC demo charges are nerfed but haven’t actually stumbled across their datasheet to confirm

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What even is different about them?

thin ibex
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one thing i do wish with 40k was that armies equipped with "default" loads could be effective; like sentinels with multilasers and chimera with multilasers

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that kind of thing

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guardian squads with a shuriken cannon platform

jaunty dawn
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recently I learned that morathi invented dark magic which nagash then used to invent necromancy

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and also did a bunch of other things

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so thats pretty cool

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idk how much nagash and morathi interact now that theyre both many active in aos

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and both gods

thin ibex
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didn't nagash learn from the mortuary cults of his time rather than from morathi?

jaunty dawn
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uh yes and no

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the mortuary cults were responsible for trying to invent necromancy, and he was taught all that stuff, but the dark magic was learned from the dark elves and he was the first human to learn it

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so he combined both research

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morathi and nagash autocompleted to fanfiction so theres that

glad spear
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I didn't realize this existed let's go

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Time to post Tau propaganda o7

thin ibex
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For the Greater Good!

pastel rampart
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Yeah, Nagash could only get so far but when he found a captured dark elf sorceress he learned the greater intricacies of dark magic and fused them together. Elves in WHFB had a comprehensive understanding of magic that humans didn't, but by the time Nagash learned it he'd been delving deep and had lived far longer than most. So he had the wherewithal to grasp it.

untold swallow
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hmm

onyx elm
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Moving a convo over here about angry chuds getting predictably angry over non-cishet white people in the Imperium.

untold swallow
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moraiite corsair fleet names...

onyx elm
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I know only a tiny bit about Corsairs but from the sound of them they sound like cool space pirate elves with an, "I do what I want, man!" kinda attitude.

untold swallow
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They do, ye

onyx elm
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Imagines a Corsair wearing sunglasses and kick flipping on a board, telling the Farseer to eat their shorts.

untold swallow
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But this fleet's princess is a follower of morai-heg

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and who has pledged her fleet to the Ynnari, so I imagine either they've undergone a rebrand or have always been

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somewhat self-serious

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glad spear
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Just wait till these guys hear about abhumans

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That's why I stick with my blue cow mecha

tired cairn
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I do think GW is cowards for the space marines skin tone changing thing not ever being shown. But also it's probably better that they don't do that

meager quail
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If your attraction to 40k is that you think of the Imperium as the perfect fascist misery factory, learning that it is somewhat diverse will be upsetting

floral herald
jagged dawn
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…wait we weren’t supposed to say that out loud

tired cairn
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*which I think is less true now?

floral herald
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Sorta

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The Raven Guard all turn pale, and the Salamanders all have super dark skin

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But the default is actually that space marine skin tone changes in hours to match the present radiation environment

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So space marines don’t really have a skin color

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This is, of course, really hard to put in your video game or TV show without having all the characters do blackface whenever it gets sunny

tired cairn
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Oh, yeah I meant "painted model wise" wrt everyone being white

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I'm sure they are a bit better in the books

floral herald
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Oh yeah for sure until recently yeah

tired cairn
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Though, given how they are generally in big suits of armor, them all being their default skin color would probably be what happens most of the time lol

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Though I guess that should maybe make them super-pale. idk

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If I ever paint space marines, I guess I got to paint them albino

floral herald
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I think they change inside the armor or something

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It doesn’t come up that much in the lore tbh

uneven ember
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The real answer, ofc, is "a British company had British artists painting the characters and they just always defaulted to white people"

floral herald
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One of the least remarked upon implants

tired cairn
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Honestly, probably best forgotten lol

floral herald
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In all balance yes probably

finite compass
jagged dawn
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Exactly!

finite compass
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But yeah

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I don't remember anybody throwing a shitfit over the classic Catachans

untold swallow
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What units would make for a good ork pirates list?

thin ibex
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I personally think that a strategic adaptation to UV levels in an atmosphere makes sense and is cool, but also if you spend 99% of your time in full armor, you will be pale as fuck

tepid stratus
floral herald
thin ibex
bright dove
thin ibex
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Lol

junior robin
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trukks shaped like wooden boats

thin ibex
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You'd also have marines with only partial darkening across a space marines face that corresponds to the direction and intensity of the sunlight

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If it's a reactive adaptation happening in real time

glad spear
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I think it's neat seeing a variety of colors in most regiments that aren't the salamanders or ravenguard

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Really feels like there's a variety to the conscripts

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Only thing I miss with my Tau

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They're all blue Sadge

tired cairn
#

So humans are apparently all very similar shades, it's just we are extra good at telling them apart (unfortunately)

#

Maybe you need to paint your Tau slightly different shades of blue to be inclusive

untold swallow
#

god squighog boyz look so fun but they would not fit on an ork pirate list like at all lmao

floral herald
#

I bet there’s a bunch of shades of blue yeah

floral herald
meager quail
#

The eye-borg guy said everyone looks sorta orange to him

tired cairn
#

Or they have a really big rok and keep a feral Ork preserve on it

finite compass
#

Because 1) they tend to get kicked out of more Propa warbands for being obnoxious

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And 2) Kaptin Badrukk, the most famous Ork Pirate is himself a Bad Moon and a Flash Git

tired cairn
#

Oh, a beast snagga warboss who got bored hunting the same game on his home planet and so pressed a bunch of gretchen to fly the ship to more interesting locations while him and the boys keep their original lifestyle

finite compass
#

Plus Flash Gitz themselves come with a pirate hat in the kit

tired cairn
#

Amazing

untold swallow
finite compass
#

ah

tired cairn
#

Brought down by the lack of comma

thin ibex
#

Flash gits are struggling a bit in current orks set up yeah?

uneven ember
untold swallow
#

WAIT BEAST SNAGGAZ HAVE A PSYKER LEADER???

untold swallow
finite compass
#

Launch giant squig out of a cannon

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Or jam a bunch of squigs into a boarding torpedo

bright dove
#

Jetpack into space

untold swallow
#

I do have two units of stormboyz

#

I also of course have the requisite

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Ball of 20 fuckin Boyz

#

Led by a Warboss and Big Mek

#

Look at this fuckin thing lmao

tired cairn
finite compass
#

Nah. Ya just haff ta get da runtherds to put some grotz in first as bait.

tired cairn
#

Oh no, I'm saying it's a bonus

finite compass
#

Indeed

#

Just reminds me of Deff Skwadron

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And the Squig Bomber

untold swallow
# 
Big Mek (85pts): Smoky Gubbinz, Kustom mega-blasta, Power klaw
Big Mek (80pts): Gitfinder Gogglez, Kustom mega-blasta, Power klaw
Warboss (65pts): Warlord, Kombi-weapon, Twin slugga, Attack squig, Big choppa
Wurrboy (60pts): Close combat weapon, Eyez of Mork

10x Beast Snagga Boyz (95pts)
10x Beast Snagga Boyz (95pts)
20x Boyz (160pts)

5x Flash Gitz (80pts)
5x Flash Gitz (80pts)
10x Kommandos (120pts)
10x Lootas (100pts)
5x Stormboyz (65pts)
5x Stormboyz (65pts)
5x Stormboyz (65pts)
Burna-bommer (125pts): Armoured hull, Twin big shoota, Twin supa-shoota
Burna-bommer (125pts): Armoured hull, Twin big shoota, Twin supa-shoota
Dakkajet (135pts): Armoured hull, 2x Twin supa-shoota
Dakkajet (135pts): Armoured hull, 2x Twin supa-shoota
3x Deffkoptas (90pts)
3x Deffkoptas (90pts)```This is probably a bad list for a first try at orks
solemn gull
wild fog
spice flicker
#

Good crusade upgrade (Honors/traits/relics) to put on a knight abominant?

jagged dawn
#

Two birds one stone

thin ibex
#

the top right one looks like the old furibundus

upper bluff
#

The bottom right one is giving me serious neuron activation

#

Sicarian Infiltrators but cooler

untold swallow
# untold swallow ```Beastboss (80pts): Beast Snagga klaw, Beastchoppa, Shoota Big Mek (85pts): Sm... 
Big Mek (70pts): Kustom mega-blasta, Power klaw
Warboss (85pts): Warlord, Headwoppa’s Killchoppa, Kombi-weapon, Twin slugga, Attack squig, Big choppa
Warboss (80pts): Kunnin’ But Brutal, Kombi-weapon, Twin slugga, Attack squig, Big choppa
Wurrboy (60pts): Close combat weapon, Eyez of Mork

10x Beast Snagga Boyz (95pts)
10x Beast Snagga Boyz (95pts)
20x Boyz (160pts)

5x Flash Gitz (80pts)
5x Flash Gitz (80pts)
5x Flash Gitz (80pts)
10x Kommandos (120pts)
2x Meganobz (70pts)
5x Nobz (105pts)
5x Stormboyz (65pts)
5x Stormboyz (65pts)
5x Stormboyz (65pts)
Burna-bommer (125pts): Armoured hull, Twin big shoota, Twin supa-shoota
Burna-bommer (125pts): Armoured hull, Twin big shoota, Twin supa-shoota
Dakkajet (135pts): Armoured hull, 2x Twin supa-shoota
Dakkajet (135pts): Armoured hull, 2x Twin supa-shoota```revised the list, got rid of the deffkoptas and a big mek for another warboss, some nobz, and some meganobz
upper canopy
#

I'll check when I get home

spice flicker
#

Alright

untold swallow
#

Fun Ork character idea

#

A Kaptin named 'Edy

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As in 'heady'

#

Cuz he thinks he's smart

pulsar cairn
#

wixelsSit maybe he is

#

Why else would he be the Kaptin?

untold swallow
#

Charisma, a massive ego backed up by brutish violence, etc

#

XD

#

I mean he probably is at least somewhat savy

#

has representatives of almost every subkultur in his warband

uneven ember
upper canopy
untold swallow
#

Oh god there's two Wars in Heaven?

#

And they're called exactly the same name?

spice flicker
#

Thanke

untold swallow
#

And they both involve the Eldar?

upper canopy
#

Nnnno?

#

I think there's only the one

untold swallow
#

I thought the Old Ones made Eldar and Krorks and other stuff to fight the Necrontyr/Crons

upper canopy
#

yeah

#

that's the War in Heaven

untold swallow
#

Then the Eldar also call the war provoked between their gods by Vaul tricking Khaine with the mortal sword the War in Heaven

wild fog
#

Some Games Workshop writer made a little oopsie

untold swallow
#

A little oopsie frustrating the hell out of someone absorbing Eldar lore to not accidentally fuck up her corsair fleet

#

(me)

wild fog
#

I love how many Corsair fleets are Eldar teenagers in a rebellious phase

#

"You're not my dad Eldrad I'm going on a spaceship to do drugs and shoot at Mon Keighs"

#

Farseer parent just "I've already forseen this is a phase. You'll grow out of it."

untold swallow
#

My corsair-princess' parents are proud of her actually lmao

#

A farseer child of farseers

#

"I have seen my fate, to wound a dark kin, and by her blood help unite our race."

#

Her dad; "Hell yeah go get wifed up."

wild fog
#

Ynari parents or Craftworlders?

untold swallow
#

Craftworlders, but as farseers they were ken to what a farseer vision's accuracy means

#

So like

#

Confused proud

wild fog
#

Nice. Which Craftworld?

untold swallow
#

IYBRAESIL BAYBEEEEEEEE

wild fog
#

Deep cut! I like it

untold swallow
#

(I'm using the same Craftworld as my partner's craftworld army cuz I think they're cool, I didn't know about them without him lol)

#

That being said of course not all her forces are from Iybraesil

finite compass
untold swallow
#

Herself, her Banshees, and the Shroud Runners are, as well as a few of the Harlequins who form the Troupe accompanying her fleet having taken on a few Iybraesil as members

#

Oh, and of course a good few members of her Voidscarred retinue

paper bluff
untold swallow
#

Maybe one of her Scorpions squads is too, but otherwise they're all a mishmash of other craftworlds

#

Or in the case of her consort, Scourges, Mandrakes, and Incubi, well

#

They're Drukhari of course

#

You know what would be really fun

#

in lore, an institutional rivalry between her incubi and scorpions

uneven ember
wild fog
#

It would be insufferable

bold halo
#

I should probably pick up some reapers for my altansar craftworlders but ehhh

#

I'm kind of medium on them

#

on the other hand, lore

untold swallow
#

I have a question

#

How tf do AoS armies... work?

#

Like are you only allowed one character unit?

wild fog
#

No?

Pretty similar to 40k

mental birch
#

Okay AOS armies

#

You pick a character, they can have units with them as stated on their character list bit

#

You can form 4 detachments like this for efficiency

untold swallow
#

by detachment do you mean regiment?

mental birch
#

Regiment yes derp

untold swallow
#

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

#

I now

#

Understand

mental birch
#

sometimes charachters can have charachters in their regiments

untold swallow
#

anyways making an AoS army where the general is reborn Sienna as a Lord-Veritant

thin ibex
#

I haven't tried list building in the midst recent aos edition

untold swallow
#

wow this is a fucking trip

#

How magic works is

#

So much more complicated in this

bright dove
#

There's wizardy, there’s divine, and endless spells. Counterspelling is a thing, yeah.

#

But please tell me about your army when you can!

untold swallow
#

So far I have made priest regiment, wizard regiment, bowmen regiment, and smack people regiment lmao

past sphinx
#

Wuzzardings easy

untold swallow
#

led by a Lord-Veritant, Knight-Incantor, Knight-Judicator with Gryph-Hounds, and Knight-Heraldor respectively

past sphinx
#

You make a funny noise and a dramatic gesture and hit em with a half brick when they flinch

#

Simply as

bright dove
#

Half a brick inna sock

untold swallow
# bright dove But please tell me about your army when you can! 
Sentinels of the Bleak Citadels
Drops: 4

Manifestation Lore - Manifestations of the Storm
Prayer Lore - Prayers of the Stormhosts
Spell Lore - Lore of the Storm

General's Regiment
Lord-Veritant (140)
Knight-Questor (150)
Questor Soulsworn (230)

Regiment 1
Knight-Incantor (140)
Evocators (180)
Sequitors (170)

Regiment 2
Knight-Judicator with Gryph-hounds (160)
Judicators with Skybolt Bows (140)
Vigilors (130)
Gryph-hounds (80)

Regiment 3
Knight-Heraldor (110)
Praetors (150)
Vanquishers (110)
Vanquishers (110)```Here it is lmao
#

Oh jesus that's long

bright dove
#

Yep!

#

Alas, about to pass out so won't be able to comment much rn

untold swallow
#

Much better lol

#

And fair

jaunty dawn
#

theres also the war in heaven thanks to chaos acausal stuff which is old ones+necrons vs chaos

pastel rampart
paper bluff
#

I'm getting mad at custodes bikes again

#

You could remove the rapid fire from the bolters and give them assault and they would be more usable

thin ibex
#

dont they already have 12" of movement?

#

you can just move and shoot

#

instead of moving 13-18"

paper bluff
#

They have 12 and a 6 in auto advance but then no firing

tepid stratus
#

I just miss the salvo launchers being an actual anti tank option for custodes

#

Because relying on the calladius or lethal hits melee is very restrictive

bright dove
thin ibex
#

i think it was an interesting choice to have all the big bikers not function as anti tank alongside none of hte melee power weapons

#

and i get it

#

makes armor tougher in general

#

it can be rough to give a flying unit an anti tank weapon that can reach the tank in one round over any terrain or blocking units and can reliably destroy the tank

#

but also i do think its odd that shining spears are no longer tank poppers

#

they can pop light armor and slay elite infantry though i suppose

tired cairn
#

Eh, fly doesn't let you get over terrain that well anymore. Flying over infantry makes screening much harder though, it's true

thin ibex
#

In general it's in line with 10th philosophy that infantry generally doesn't really have reliable anti tank tools, especially in melee

tired cairn
#

Which seems like a weird philosophy

thin ibex
#

Not all that much, it improves tank survivability in general, which was one of their goals

mental birch
thin ibex
#

In the last 2 editions, tanks were generally not that good because they evaporated like mist

#

To a stiff breeze

tired cairn
#

I don't think that required removing infantry being and to kill tanks though?

thin ibex
#

Then again in the last 2 editions if you didn't have an invulnerable save you were not worth it

#

I didn't say they removed infantry being able to kill tanks, they made it harder, so that if it's just melee or just infantry it needs to be cumulative

#

An additional benefit to this is that armor can actually be a roadblock, and not be forced to sit as far back as possible

floral herald
#

They just madd tanks harder to kill in general

#

Which has put a premium on those few weapons which can really hurt them

mental birch
#

Doesn't feel like it ahhahaha

thin ibex
mental birch
#

Yeah fair

#

They spent their entire lives as infantry

thin ibex
#

A prime example between editions is that now a land raider will often survive more than one round and feels tough as nails

mental birch
#

...yeah fair

tired cairn
#

The most sensible change was making the big walkers vehicles and not monstrous creatures lol

thin ibex
#

In 9th and 8th, if you even brought one, it would die on round 1 unless you hid it the whole time

#

In general I appreciate that 10th is way less lethal than the last 2 editions

tepid stratus
#

Outside of forge world options we're fishing for lethals

#

Auric champions makes vehicle heavy matchups easier but let me tell you, the knight matchup is still a slog

thin ibex
#

i fully believe you, there is skew there

#

but in general; its a decently effective change to the game state

tepid stratus
#

It would be thematic for custodes to be the one exception to the rule. We're not like the other melee armies that have abundant access to high strength shooting or a daemon primarch to open cans

thin ibex
#

not that win rates are prescriptive, but havent stodes been mid to top tier through the vast majority of 10th?

tepid stratus
#

I know saying melee army and abundant high strength shooting is a bit misleading but armies like CSM and space wolves that are nominally melee armies can also sprinkle lots of lascannons into lists

thin ibex
#

and i do actually agree with that, though id probably still isolate those tools to specific models like a leader or sgt equiv

tepid stratus
thin ibex
#

though id honestly rather they achieve AT melee via some kind of synergy or status infliction

tired cairn
#

Yeah, they were doing well until the codex lol

#

Though before the codex they kind of invalidated other melee armies

tepid stratus
floral herald
#

CSM also has a few ways for infantry to hurt tanks in melee fairly well

#

Though one of them is just Khorne Chosen

thin ibex
#

i feel like ork true infantry AT is just 20 boyz mid waaagh with sus hits

tepid stratus
thin ibex
#

I was thinking, as far as the synergy comment, something similar to like... the SM storm speeders

#

something else has got to set up the dunk, as like a 2 step hoop jump rather than a 4 step hoop jump

#

which would also help ensure that stodes dont just eat literally everything for breakfast

tepid stratus
#

Make it Saggitarum or pyrithite spears apply some toughness debuffs or something

#

Get T10+ stuff into your melee brrakpoints

#

Rather than go for convoluted ways to maximize lethal hits which melts everything

thin ibex
#

i def agree with that

tepid stratus
#

It'd be way more useful if Saggitarum could have their disintegration beams debuffs monsters and vehicles instead of being a once per game dev wounds

thin ibex
#

i dont need a flow chart maze to achieve it, but dont want it to be a default capability; so a 2 step process makes sense to me

floral herald
#

My personal feeling is that I think vehicles should have facings again

tepid stratus
#

Plus then sagg are a dual use unit instead of just an infantry killer, something every custodes infantry already does well

thin ibex
#

i do see a lot of good anti vehicle infantry these days accessing that AT by using mortals on the charge; assault intercessors with jumpers, kroot rampagers, that kind of thing

#

i forget, none of the big jetbikers have mortals on the charge do they?

tepid stratus
thin ibex
#

i know the biker shield captain can get it in one of the detaches

#

but the normal bikes dont

tepid stratus
#

Honestly just let jetbikes tank shock. I think that would do a lot for them

thin ibex
#

that would be fun

tepid stratus
#

Str 7 melee so only 7 dice

thin ibex
#

would make shining spears feel a bit more punchy

#

which is really what they're all about

#

i wonder if the lance keyword should have been different

#

though if that got changed now some units might get a bit wild

#

+1 to wound is honestly pretty good i suppose

#

actually

tepid stratus
#

Lance being +1 to wound is really good but to compensate Lance weapons are rarely allowed to have a strength value that threatens meaningful breakpoints. Also they are often in armies with other ways of getting+1 to wound like custodes

thin ibex
#

just that when you're flying around with a str 4 lance weapon you "upgrade" to wounding T9+ on a 5

untold swallow
# 
Sentinels of the Bleak Citadels
Drops: 4

Manifestation Lore - Manifestations of the Storm
Prayer Lore - Prayers of the Stormhosts
Spell Lore - Lore of the Storm

General's Regiment
Lord-Veritant (140)
Knight-Questor (150)
Questor Soulsworn (230)

Regiment 1
Knight-Incantor (140)
Evocators (180)
Sequitors (170)

Regiment 2
Knight-Judicator with Gryph-hounds (160)
Judicators with Skybolt Bows (140)
Vigilors (130)
Gryph-hounds (80)

Regiment 3
Knight-Heraldor (110)
Praetors (150)
Vanquishers (110)
Vanquishers (110)```Is this a good Stormcast list?
thin ibex
#

absolutely crazy to me that shining spears and especially the star lance is still str 4

#

id have expected str 5

#

or even 6

#

i guess they hit harder at range these days

#

than in melee

#

brain computes ranged shining spears as weird

tepid stratus
#

Also high drops can be detrimental if you don't have a gameplan for both possible priority outcomes

junior robin
#

finally a...psychic landmine? librarian hat? 🤔

rumourengine-oct29-content-sba8a7vg3e.jpg
tepid stratus
thin ibex
#

it does make them feel almost like a tau unit

untold swallow
thin ibex
#

"fly up to within 6 inches, shoot em"

#

i kinda wish tags got played with more for their mechanical output

#

like melta weapons dont need to be the only ones with the melta tag

#

you could give the shining spears a melta tag if you wanted

tepid stratus
#

I wish melta boosted strength so they could go back to being a risky can opener for infantry

thin ibex
#

most of the dedicated melta units i feel actually make good use of em now; but the factions that dont have em are kinda out in the wind hoping for a cheeky 6

untold swallow
tepid stratus
#

Getting dangerously close to the enemy would let it at least meet the breakpoint of popping light tanks since most melts weapons are strength 9 with melts 2

thin ibex
#

like sunforged suits do well, eradicators are super dangerous, fire dragons are dangerous if they gut into range

#

eradicators are apparently some of the most powerful AT on the SM roster but lose out to lancer because they are harder to use

#

sunforged are one of the only non rail options the tau have for AT that you can expect to do something xD

tepid stratus
tepid stratus
thin ibex
#

inner lore mind is bothered by eradicators being better than fire dragons at their job; but whatever

tepid stratus
#

Hopefully fire dragons get some love with fuegan and the codec

thin ibex
#

its not like fire dragons have been polishing the art for hundreds if not thousands of years with tools specific to the job, sure just get full rerolls eradicators, who were (relatively speaking) born yesterday

#

i guess they're chearper and come with a invuln at least

untold swallow
thin ibex
#

oh and the firepike i guess is a point in their favor as actually being str 12 and also getting melta 3

tepid stratus
untold swallow
#

Do the ruination units do anything like the units that are getting cut?

thin ibex
#

just add 20 new character units, to make looking at the stormcast roster even more intimidating

#

and ensure they have vaguely similar names

tepid stratus
thin ibex
#

damn you brother jeremiah, damn you and your sick kick flips and tank killing prowess

untold swallow
#

Also if both evocators and sequitors are being cut, is the knight-incantor only gonna be able to field castigators?

thin ibex
#

i do think fire dragons have an easier time getting into range, pop into falcon, deepstrike in, ride up close get out and shoot

#

and the falcon is also stronk

#

so i guess fine

tepid stratus
jagged dawn
#

So we just read the new votann 10e rules and uh, wow

tepid stratus
jagged dawn
#

Y’all got smacked hard with the nerf stick

tired cairn
#

They were apparently never intended to be an elite army lol

untold swallow
#

so my only options for wizards are gonna be various flavors of magic cavalry

tepid stratus
#

Knight Arcanum functionally replaces the knight incantor

tired cairn
#

So they made them not broken but I think quite a bit cheaper?

jagged dawn
#

Don’t know how much cheaper overall they made them but yeah a few models dropped in points

thin ibex
#

votann in the current state are actually doing pretty okj

jagged dawn
#

Still though, y’all have basically zero access to rerolls

tired cairn
#

Allegedly they greatly reduced the number of rerolls this edition

tepid stratus
tired cairn
#

(they said that and then gave Space Marines oath of moments lol)

tepid stratus
#

A lot less reroll 1s

untold swallow
#

I mean cavalry mages, but the knight arcanum is on foot so its fine

jagged dawn
#

Yeah we just finished looking through wahapedia and there is one (1) reroll we found and that’s grim demeanour

thin ibex
#

no more dragon riding stormcast units?

tepid stratus
untold swallow
#

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

jagged dawn
#

Anyways we don’t play LoV just was commenting on it

tepid stratus
thin ibex
untold swallow
#

Man

jagged dawn
#

We’re going to disappear and figure out an outlander claw GSC list

bright dove
#

The Stormcast line is getting a kinda rightfully earned pruning because there's just entirely too much stuff in that army.

untold swallow
#

I mean I won't contest that but why the mages instead of

jagged dawn
#

(That’s the one that lets you make mad max jokes)

untold swallow
#

The 15 different flavors of 'whack something'

tepid stratus
#

So I hope you like not magic melee, crossbows or cool monsters and beatstick heroes. Because that's stormcast now

tired cairn
#

Space Marine players getting nervous lol

tepid stratus
floral herald
#

I avoided that army because the range is too big and confusing

tepid stratus
#

Honestly cutting the amount of casters going into the edition with free endless spells was probably a smart move balance wise

floral herald
#

And the comp meta too weird to build for at the time

tired cairn
#

Ok, but consider how funny it is that the datacard stack is so huge

tepid stratus
#

I already find the S2D and CSM ranges awkwardly big and full of garbage

floral herald
#

S2D?

tired cairn
#

Is it pretty reasonable to use the cut units as count-as for other units (as in look very similar etc)

tepid stratus
#

Slaves to darkness

tepid stratus
#

Castigators for hurricane raptors

#

Incantor for an arcanum

untold swallow
#

are Lord-Arcanums gonna still be around?

tired cairn
#

That's not to bad. Hopefully tournaments are reasonable about it

tepid stratus
#

No

untold swallow
#

oh my god lmao

tepid stratus
#

Primarily because the mount kits for them got the axe

jagged dawn
#

On the topic of AoS we don’t get why Skaven fall under the “chaos” tab on the GW website

untold swallow
#

The Horned Rat is a Chaos God now

mental birch
#

The fluff reason is really funny

tardy vault
#

Horned Rat is a Chaos God

jagged dawn
#

Really? Huh

tardy vault
#

Like, actual legit same playing field as the other 4

mental birch
#

They all went back home to study the degrading stormcast memories with each reforming

jagged dawn
#

Guess we missed that change

tired cairn
#

He ascended before AoS right?

tardy vault
#

And they've always been Chaos aligned

#

Warpstone is literally just Chaos rocks

tepid stratus
jagged dawn
#

Guess we just never noticed that

untold swallow
#

aaaaaaaaaaaand judicators are getting axed too

tepid stratus
untold swallow
#

'These include the entire sacrosanct chamber'

tepid stratus
#

But vigilors and judicators literally serve the same purpose

tardy vault
#

hey, gw, can you spare some kits for the other factions in your game

#

signed: DoK player

tired cairn
tepid stratus
#

DoK tho... Well here's hoping for this edition

untold swallow
#

Okay I think this is persuading me to

#

Just not make a Stormcast army

#

lmao

tardy vault
#

Consider, tho

#

Buying a Skaventide half

#

1k points

untold swallow
#

~ half my hero units are just fucking goooooone ~

tardy vault
#

$90

tepid stratus
untold swallow
#

~ and it's the half I thought was coooooool ~

#

Literally all my picks for regimental leaders are getting the axe except the knight-judicator lmao

tardy vault
jagged dawn
#

We are not quite smart enough to understand the AoS rules so we just think they’re neat

past sphinx
#

How do people feel about votann? I have a load of tau I haven't touched in like a decade and they seem to be tau but with the heavy infantry I always wantes

tepid stratus
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I'm an IJ player, I had 3 kits until the end of 3rd

tepid stratus
mental birch
tepid stratus
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Otherwise I'd recommend picking a different faction that doesn't get bloated to the point of range rot

untold swallow
#

Honestly I'm picking a diff faction lol

tired cairn
mental birch
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Just give me a slow tough melee Fighter

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Hahaha

tepid stratus
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3rd edition was definitely a start for sharing the love. I just hope the trend continues into the dwarf armies and pads out orrucks more

untold swallow
#

My two favorite reg leaders and like aaaaaaaall my favorite infantry choices are getting axed so fuckit lol

tepid stratus
mental birch
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Tau are now 2/3 of the stuff happens phases

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Move and shoot

tired cairn
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lol

mental birch
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3/4 sorry

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Charge as well

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Aka the free movement phase

tired cairn
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lmao at being change but not fight

mental birch
tepid stratus
#

I'm hoping ogres get love this edition. They're the oldest range now that skaven and Seraphon have been updated

bright dove
#

Go and collect the Bone Tithe

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Maybe even have a leader made out of fossils.

tired cairn
#

It's very funny that the tau battleforce box is going to have less (non-drone) models in it than the knight box

untold swallow
#

In better news I have realized that I need not fret over not having been a warhammer+ sub before august this year

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My partner was

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So I can eventually get Karlina to kitbash for my Visarch by paying for it but using my partner's account lmao

ebon forge
#

I am watching warcry rules and
Question, why do this to see who will go first and not just toss a coin?

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tardy vault
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wha

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Oh!

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What does Singles mean in this context?

ebon forge
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Unmatching dice

tardy vault
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Oh ok yeah idk wtf they're on about

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In AoS the person that finishes deploying first gets priority

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If both finish at the same time then roll off

past sphinx
#

Games workshop tried to replace all numbers with fucking shapes for killteam this tracks complete

ebon forge
tardy vault
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Nope!

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You setup by Regiments

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and you need at least 2

tired cairn
ebon forge
ebon forge
past sphinx
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Because it was stupid they changed it

tired cairn
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And singles are worse than sets iirc

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So if you get a worse roll you at least get initiative

past sphinx
#

How do you spend that much money making something objectively worse and harder to use

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Besides being apple

ebon forge
#

Because they don't want to be better, the ywant to be unique

untold swallow
#

Tzeentch seems like my best hope for warrior wizardry

tired cairn
#

I think you also get to do some dice manipulation before determining initiative? So you get to tradeoff going first versus having more abilities to use

bright dove
#

Clan Skyre has your back.

untold swallow
#

Aren't Skryre more... magitech than just magic?

bright dove
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They are.

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I suppose there's also Cities for Warrior Mages, but man is that an expensive army.

untold swallow
#

I'm really sad lord-veritant is getting the axe, it's model was so cool

thin ibex
#

now yall got me sitting here thinking about how id best use shining spears

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seems like they want to go somewhere, shoot, not kill the target, so that they can then charge

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and on the charge it seems like they REALLY want to target heavy infantry

#

space marine equivalents specifically

bright dove
#

So they're a good pull into Necrons

still warren
rocky shale
thin ibex
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theres no getting around how they're not all that good; but im gonna try and list build wit hem anyway

rocky shale
#

They're finally cheap enough to be an OK trading unit

thin ibex
#

they ARE really fast at least

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and have the aspect invuln

rocky shale
#

And -1 to hit

thin ibex
#

they kinda feel anemic in a similar way to banshees but they hit harder

rocky shale
#

They can survive a couple pot shots but they basically do the same thing as a falcon+banshee combo but cheaper and not leaving a falcon behind

meager quail
#

Hey question. Is it ever elucidated why Big E named the space marines uh … marines?

thin ibex
#

pretty sure because they were shipboard assault infantry

meager quail
#

Because currently I’m envisioning him like watching a 1990s Marine Corps recruiting ad

thin ibex
#

which is what marines are by definition/historically

meager quail
#

The one where a guy stabs a dragon

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And hearing, “the few, the proud, the marines”

thin ibex
#

i doubt its that but you know that is a funny possibility

meager quail
#

And in his heart saying

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“Fuck yes”

thin ibex
#

but yeah marines are generally the boarding/combative element aboard a ship of the line

meager quail
#

Aye it’s just that space marines often don’t fulfill anything close to that role

#

I was wondering if there were an official explanation

thin ibex
#

they did sort of during the great crusade, they arrived on large warships, then descended to the planets to fight

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and all their infrastructure was built to be deployable from a ship

meager quail
#

Or if I could safely insert my “this guy’s a dork” headcanon

thin ibex
#

broadly speaking tehy kinda do totally fill that roll actually

unreal cosmos
#

Also at the start of the Great Crusade they were his first supersoldier project rolled out with the intent of interplanetary operations

#

However Solar Auxilia are probably the closest to traditional marine definitions

#

Also, unrelated: would a 1k army of one War Dog Stalker and five Brigands be unfun/unfair?

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It's a lot of melta but also I don't know if there would be enough enemy armor for them to use it efficiently

tired cairn
#

They are kind of like Marines like the royal Navy Marines? I guess a cross between them and US marines? (A bit small for a proper army but not quite just special forces)

floral herald
#

I think it’s more like royal navy marines yeah

thin ibex
#

It's the original meaning behind marines

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As a note the US marines are also part of the navy

floral herald
#

The connotation is different I think because the royal marines are a relatively elite small formation in a way more comparable with like marine raiders or the ranger regiment in the U.S.

jagged dawn
#

hmm, we looked over the SoB kits and the fact a lot of units we previously thought were helmetless have helmet options is making them more appealing to us

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we liked their aesthetic to begin with and the rules seem fun but painting faces is our nemesis

rocky shale
#

Contrast paint will save you

thin ibex
#

I was too hasty with my contrast, my tau sergeants face is all splotchy -_-

jagged dawn
#

indeed but we don't have any since after years of not painting the kits we bought we've settled into a "doesn't have to be flashy or perfect, just get them assembled" mindset

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in the future we'll go over our already painted models and make them better with layers and contrasts and what not but for now we need to break our perfectionism mindset

rocky shale
#

Contrasts are meant for quick and dirty paint jobs.

jagged dawn
#

mate we're a university student

rocky shale
#

Slap them over white paint and on anything that isn't flat panels it's just automatic shading.

rocky shale
jagged dawn
#

anyway yes we don't like faces and avoid them where possible (GSC are kind of the exception because they're all tyranidy) so having helmet options for SoB is nice

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plus we just think helmets look better

rocky shale
#

Objectively correct take tbh

jagged dawn
#

like the canoness

ebon forge
#

3D Printer go brr

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paper bluff
south axle
hard whale
#

Yeah, I think "expert kit" means "former Forge World stock"

south axle
#

Ye

thin ibex
#

is forgeworld as a brand dead and gone?

south axle
#

Kinda?

pastel rampart
south axle
#

Commented more on the "bullshit pricing gang" comparing plastic to resin

thin ibex
#

i was gonna try and make a real list with em

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but i got excited about jet bikes and it got away from me

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it could work though, if you get real lucky

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just uh

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very little AT

thin ibex
#

did a test list for a maybe crusade as the Wolfspears

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i think it feels appropriately stealth huntery

floral herald
#

I do like Phobos lists

pulsar cairn
#

Btw

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A Comissar is outside the normal chain of command vicksyHmm

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But can they assume a position of organizing strategy and other aspects if needed?

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Cause i seen Commisar Cain do that, but he's a bit of an outlier

paper bluff
#

Yes and also Colonel_Commissar Gaunt is also another special case

paper bluff
#

I forget if Yarrick had something like that also

#

I do know he could order around space marines

thin ibex
#

i dont think he had the actual authority, hierarchally, to order space marines; its more like space marines decided he was worth listening to

alpine wing
thin ibex
#

im once against struck by how baneblades honestly seem really strong

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but i guess map design really stifles em

upper canopy
#

Yarrick was Supreme Commander of Armageddon

tired cairn
#

You won't regret fielding them. You might regret buying, painting or moving them

thin ibex
#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AFpAHwnyAg

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this is actually a really fun scenario

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moving terrain set up

past sphinx
#

thats just stealing the rolling road scenario from necromunda!

#

sick as hell though

thin ibex
#

Do we think kastelan bots would be strong in casuals/crusade?

tepid stratus
#

It sucks

#

Similar problem with the lord of skulls outside of the soulforged detachment that has the ignore terrain strat

thin ibex
#

"I'll be over here" energy

#

Pretty much if maps let em stretch legs they suddenly become so much better

paper bluff
past sphinx
#

damn that head goes pretty hard on them

untold swallow
#

I find Custodes growing on me tbh

past sphinx
#

honestly i think gw just doesnt paint them well

#

the heavy metal folk dont seem to care much for full metallic stuff

paper bluff
#

That's a shaped bike helmet

pastel rampart
#

Finally put this thing on a base.

balmy wave
#

replaying Mechanicus

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it's fun

past sphinx
#

i should have another go at it

thin ibex
#

Doctrinas improving by being close to battleline units is actuality a very fun interaction

#

Along with many unit abilities

thin ibex
#

kastellans seem like they might be decent in cohort cybernetica

#

despite effectively only direcly benefitting them

upper bluff
#

The issue with Cohort Cybernetica is that all the stratagems only trigger in the command phase

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So you can't react at all

#

And that makes it so bad 😔

thin ibex
#

yeaaaah

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buuut

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punch gun bots

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is neat

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i guess its also nice that all of them only cost 1 cp

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so you could theoretically reliably use one every round

thin ibex
#

I have a friend who's primary attraction to admech is the kastellans

upper bluff
#

Oh don't get me wrong Kastellans are sweet and Cohort is the best way to play them, its just sad that Cohort is one of the lame proto detachments from early 10th

#

Advance and charge Kastellans kick ass

tired cairn
#

Having all the stratagems be in the command phase is a cute idea and I get what they were going for. Having the defensive one be in they phase was very silly

#

The non-bonus of Kastellans getting imperatives doesn't help either. Especially since they are now the only datasheet without it just to make that detachment do something 🙃

upper bluff
#

yeah, maybe the december balance update 😭

#

no detachment changes was my biggest let down with the last one

tired cairn
#

Hopefully. I don't get the sense they consider internal balance of detachments to be a high priority, but they did so some buffs to random ones (across all factions) last rules change dataslate

thin ibex
#

I imagine it's on their list but overall inter faction balance is probably top priority

tired cairn
#

Yeah. Though that's pretty decent now at least. They still have to solve the codex-compliant space marine problem though

thin ibex
#

If I read it right, we'll see points adjustments regularly, we'll see actual stat adjustments maybe once or twice a year (probably once), and other things even more rarely

tired cairn
#

That was the original plan. They went off-script from that basically immediately though lol

#

And they are very likely going to make a proper Deathwatch army detachment-thing this time around

junior robin
#

made the mistake of looking in the 3rd ed rulebook last night for a silly project and now I just want to use it to make 3rd ed armies sadcowboy

finite compass
#

3e is an entire mood

pastel rampart
#

3rd was still playing around with non-competitive rules and concepts as leftovers from the RT/2e days so there's a bit of a fun to it that got ironed out in later editions.

#

Assault cannons having 'jam' rules was not one of the better rules at the time though, that shit sucked.

solemn gull
#

I kind of miss when things were more shit

#

Like your whole necron army disappears because your leader failed a dangerous terrain check and died

jaunty dawn
#

I like 4e

junior robin
#

love that the core book comes with rules for most armies and even variant rules for some of them (like marines and nids)

thin ibex
#

How long has deep strike not been dangerous?

jaunty dawn
#

8e

pastel rampart
#

I started with 3rd so I have a fondness for it but I feel like 4th was the much more cleaned-up version of it. Unfortunately that also applied to the codices for that edition and they were...rather a bit bland, at times.

jagged dawn
#

We actually have a bunch of old 2e and 3e codexes in a box

jaunty dawn
#

idk like space marines for example had actualy chapter tactics customisation

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vs 3e which had to manually bring out a white dwarf for every first founding

jagged dawn
#

We had an English prof back in highschool who used to play warhammer and when he heard we were into it he gave us all his old codexes

jaunty dawn
#

and the 4e imp guard codex is wiiiild

pastel rampart
#

I think you could make for...well maybe not balanced, but interesting combo of using 4th ed core rules and 3rd ed codices.

jaunty dawn
#

it does kinda depend though

floral herald
jaunty dawn
#

also like tau and they don't really have their roster till 4e imo. same with necrons

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or I guess not necrons

floral herald
#

Just encouraged the most boring fucking listbuilding

jaunty dawn
#

I don't think the got a codex

pastel rampart
#

I don't imagine it'd be balanced but considering how old the edition is you could just houserul a bunch of shit to get a bit more parity. Like porting over rolled-in points costs for grenades, marines having bolt pistols, etc.

jaunty dawn
#

still though the 3e one is Bare Bones

solemn gull
pastel rampart
#

Thankfully 3rd thru 5th share the same basic framework so you could backport those options in this theoretical overhaul.

floral herald
#

If it was points based not model count based I would be warmer to it

jaunty dawn
#

3.5 csm is grea though

pastel rampart
#

Oh yeah 3.5 CSM is fucking peak.

junior robin
#

yeah, wish I lived in the universe where all armies codicies where that detailed sadcowboy

jagged dawn
#

We’d recognize that cover anywhere

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Sadly we don’t have a full inventory list and we can’t check since the box isn’t here with us

jaunty dawn
#

the back of the tyranids 3e book is cool and alone makes it like one of the best codexes but other than that bit I prefer 4e

pastel rampart
#

I have...most of the 3rd ed books. I'm missing uuuuh Tau, Necron, both IG books, and both versions of the Dark Eldar book.

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I even have all the Chapter Approved collections.

jaunty dawn
#

witch hunters Existing

solemn gull
#

The realm of chaos books are so cool

pastel rampart
#

3rd/4th and 6th ed WHFB are the two(ish) editions I'd go back and play, honestly. Both with some houserules tho.

junior robin
#

I want to mash them up and play 40k with square bases and rank'n'file

pastel rampart
#

Did you know that WHFB didn't have 3-models-for-a-rank for monstrous infantry like ogres until eighth edition?

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Which is absolute insane nonsense because GW themselves would post official photos of ogres and trolls and other monstrous infantry in ranks of 3 but this is not in the core book. It's not in 7th. Hell, I don't think they ever FAQ'd it for those two editions--it was either 4 or 5 models wide for a rank, period.

#

Unless you were bretts and had a special thing.

jaunty dawn
#

I wanna play some fantasy/oldworld but like. on tts or something

pastel rampart
#

I haven't given TOW much of a look but it seems like a somewhat cleaned-up 8th.

solemn gull
#

Half of my interest in oldhammer comes from the goofy models tbh

pastel rampart
#

Kings of War has largely replaced my rank n' flank desires, as it's a very smooth play experience.

#

I'd played enough WHFB matches that took 4 goddamn hours and KoW is a lot faster.

#

(small shoutout to OPR's Age of Fantasy: Ranked tho, shit looks good for quick games)

solemn gull
#

OPR looks really cool in general

#

All of their games look fun or better than their 40k parallels to me

pastel rampart
#

Yeah. I've been plugging away at a couple OPR Fantasy armies for a while now. I like I can just use whatever models.

solemn gull
#

I wish there were more popular model agnostic games

pastel rampart
#

I'm currently eyeing some old blood angel models on ebay and considering making a small Grimdark force using them, as I've always kinda liked 3rd ed BA. The later sculpted abs and nipple thing was a bit over the top.

desert jay
# tired cairn Yeah. Though that's pretty decent now at least. They still have to solve the cod...

I really think part of it is that they have like "okay you get new units to use but you can't use certain standard units" which sounds like a fine balancing metric, except:
A) Initially only restricting you if you used the detachment (since changed)
B) The restriction list being a very light touch, BTs only get locked out of vehicles they have their own versions of, DW and SW lose a few firstborn squads that there's plenty of alternatives to, and BA don't get locked out at all

uneven ember
#

BT had a lot more restrictions back in the day
No Devastators, no Whirlwinds, no Scout squads, obv no Librarians

jaunty dawn
#

part of this is they like

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just decided not to update chapter restrictions when primaris came out like at all

solemn gull
#

Nvm I’m dumb

uneven ember
#

(kept the "no Librarians" thing tho, maybe they just felt that was too iconically BT)

desert jay
#

Oh right yeah also no librarians

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But apothecaries (SW) and librarians aren't really strong enough to make a diff on just those few units either, and there's so many SM options about

#

"Yeah no firstborn, gravis, or phobos" would still leaves some SM subfaction with more infantry options than like everyone but guard

paper bluff
#

I think tournament play/ serious competition play is a net negative

thin ibex
#

i feel like phase out in current edition would equate to "bring precision lol"

floral herald
#

At least in 4e Phase Out was just “if you lose 75% of your models the rest teleport out and you are tabled”

#

So you must bring large blocks of Necron warriors to bump your model count up

#

Necron warriors weren’t even bad!

#

Basically just tactical marines with bad initiative and what would these days be devastating wounds bolters

thin ibex
#

i feel like necron warriors arent explicitly bad atm tho? I know they're not in vogue perse and you dont want to spam them, but with the number of ways to keep the maround and kicking, it feels like they stay relevant

#

having one or 2 big blobs can be useful

solemn gull
thin ibex
#

I feel like a fair game is a good thing?

#

As well as mechanics that make sense and are clear in how to apply them

floral herald
#

I don’t mean that they’re bad now just that I think it was bad for making listbuilding boring not bad for giving unit taxes on weak units

wild fog
#

3rd-4th ed was fun and fluffy and also sometimes in turn one the Eldar army would clear 24 inches of movement in a turn, alpha strike and remove half your models, including armor before you even got a chance to play

floral herald
#

Ofc the Necron range was also about 25% the size it is now

bright dove
wild fog
#

Also 3rd ed Necron armies were literally almost always just bricks of warrior and 1 - 2 monoliths it was so dull

thin ibex
#

Cyan what do you mean, necrons are just: warriors, wraiths, destroyers, and a monolith. That's it.

floral herald
#

Hey there was also usually 1-3 Wraiths and some Destroyers or Heavy Destoyers!

thin ibex
#

Oh and a lord

jagged dawn
#

We kinda hate it when a system (tabletop or otherwise) ends up having rules that make it so everything looks the same

thin ibex
#

I can get the sentiment, but also I don't think that's what happened with 40k?

jagged dawn
#

Oh we’re not saying it is

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But you do get a lot of samesey lists at the competitive level

wild fog
#

I miss big goofy multi-player narrative events

thin ibex
#

We recently saw a sort of classic list come out on top in the London gt

wild fog
#

20 players with 500 point armies all playing one big brawl

thin ibex
#

Csm and orks both played a really like... traditional list

floral herald
#

I think list variability is pretty decent in comp arm

thin ibex
#

It's not like... i forget which edition it was, but you couldn't compete with tau if you didn't triptide and drone wall

floral herald
#

There’s a few 1 detachment pony armies but there’s a good number of competitively viable setups

solemn gull
thin ibex
#

I remember list building in 8th was a bit 1 dimensional. If you didn't have an invuln you (generally) weren't worth the time

solemn gull
#

Hell RT required a game master for some scenarios

thin ibex
#

Game scale has also steadily increased

#

An army for play was originally much smaller iirc

solemn gull
#

I play mostly smaller games anyways tbh. A couple small squads and a centerpiece vehicle are all I can cart around with me.