Warhammer and Such

[lofty warren]

Which is nontraditional but perhaps reasonable

[floral herald]

I can only think of like, maybe 1 additional character

[lofty warren]

Yeah its not a long list

[cosmic tulip]

Respectable

My darling testament defies categorization (although I’ve been categorized with a stolen heart so it varies)

[lofty warren]

Im not going to be prescriptive about twink definitions. I simply bear witness

[upper canopy]

People using "Twink" when they actually mean "bottom" when they actually mean "gay"

[granite basin]

yk.

yk, yeah-

[cosmic tulip]

Well-

[dense sedge]

I feel like there’s a meme I saw comparing genshin and guilty gear

[lofty warren]

i feel like culturally we have also forgotten the word "bishonen"

which is what sanguinius is, no?

[thin ibex]

The thing is I don't think his features would be described as boyish or especially youthful

[upper canopy]

"Genshin fans will call a stick a DILF and Strive fans a guy built like a 2008 Honda Civic a twink"

[arctic lynx]

Can I recommend Fire Caste by Peter Fehervari (despite the name, it's a Guard novel). Gaunts Ghost is another standout as well.

[desert jay]

Yeah that's a twink of a car

[jaunty dawn]

this is actually a normal sized pistol 40k just makes pistols fucking massive

[unreal cosmos]

If I'm gonna be mean I'd add on "when they actually mean f-slur"

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah it's very funny to see a normally-scaled sidearm in Warhammer. This is just a normal gun if you don't look too closely.

[past sphinx]

this is the correct term but its also far to japanese for an american

people just discovered that big dudes can be attractive like 5 years ago give em time

[unreal cosmos]

Back in my day the American youth could recognize and appreciate a bishie

[floral herald]

I didn’t realize Infernus was a sawn off side-by-side double barrel mini-multi-melta

Didn’t kno Sanguinius was real like that

[pastel rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/639256705766653962/1295923328581898241/110cwOq.mp4?ex=6711bba6&is=67106a26&hm=9fb5bd36280d50dcd50f3d5798beba3cedc28f70693f4e09429aa5f711cd5e8b&

[unreal cosmos]

Niiice

[runic swallow]

Yeah, it kinda looks like those double barrel Martini or Howdah pistols

[past sphinx]

i gotta really get my head around fire

im getting better but i dont know how

[paper bluff]

Offical art of sanguinius is square Jaw-ed imo

[runic swallow]

Which irl are big pistols, but even in that scale look more normal than most 40k handguns

Tbh I think Sanguinous should be less square jawed

Like, generally

[paper bluff]

Also much tighter curls

Like a judge's wig

[floral herald]

Imperial propaganda art

[runic swallow]

It’s hilarious that the most reasonable sized handgun in 40k is the laspistol, and that’s basically a Mauser C-96, which are huge

[jaunty dawn]

yeah its like dorn being beardless

[sweet solar]

i think the primarchs should look more different
they are the emperors sons but they arent normal biological sons

[floral herald]

Is this square jawed?

[sweet solar]

no jaw in that image tbh

[runic swallow]

(Love me a C96 though, this isn’t a complaint on laspistols looking like that)

[sweet solar]

just helmet

he could have no head at all under there

[floral herald]

lol

[sweet solar]

also yea deathmask

[runic swallow]

Dorm shouldn’t have a beard, but he should have the original Gen. Burnside sideburns

[sweet solar]

but theres no butt chin dimple on sanguinus art or model either unlike yhe death mask

im too 3rd ed pilled i think showing the primarchs at all outside of in universe interpretations in in universe art, was a mistake

[runic swallow]

Seriously Dorn is so heavily sideburns coded, I can’t explain this but it’s true

Like, I could see him just going “hrmm, I’ll freshen up to be presentable after being on campaign, but only by shaving my chin and neck”

Meanwhile Perturabo is shaving everyday like that guy in the Predator

[runic swallow]

I’m too big on 30k to agree personally

[sweet solar]

one of alpharius and omegon should have a goatee

and they wont say witch

[runic swallow]

It randomly shifts though, utterly inexplicably

[sweet solar]

and honestly as someone also big on 30k i think it would work fine without seeing the actual primarchs of being able to field them

[runic swallow]

“Wait you didn’t have time to grow that”
“Or did I?”

[sweet solar]

they will tell you 100% it doesnt shify what are you talking about

[runic swallow]

I should say it helps that I love most of the models

[sweet solar]

you walk back in 10 mins later and neither has a goatee, both have soul patches

[runic swallow]

Honestly it’s interesting that of the primarchs I feel that only Dorn is facial hair coded

[thin ibex]

Soul patch primarch would be hilarious

Konrad with a soul patch

[sweet solar]

leman russ braided beard goatee

[sweet solar]

perfect no notes

[runic swallow]

Okay yeah I forgot Russ, he’s also facial hair coded and it’s weird how clean shaven he is

[jaunty dawn]

tbf the models could still be artistic interpretations

[runic swallow]

Like, he at least has a permanent five-o-clock shadow

[sweet solar]

jaghatai khan mongolian beard

[runic swallow]

No no no, he’s mustache

[sweet solar]

theres like four or fiver options just in the media cliche ones

[runic swallow]

Well, yeah maybe mustache and that really grown out soul patch kind of beard I forget the name of

[sweet solar]

imo dorn should have a tea strainer like a ww1 english officer

and sideburns

[runic swallow]

I still say he’s a full Burnside

[sweet solar]

post heresy lorgar should have a full prophet beard

wizard ass

[runic swallow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Burnside

[sweet solar]

that works

[runic swallow]

That’s Dorn’s facial hair right there

[sweet solar]

in 40k sideburns are now called dornsides

[runic swallow]

(Also, gen Burnside both invented a very interesting breechloading carbine and also is the source of the term “sideburns”)

[thin ibex]

Iirc canonically khan has a long ass beard and mustache combo

[runic swallow]

Good

But yeah I think he, Dorn, and Russ are the only really facial hair coded primarchs

Though, I will say I hadn’t pictured Johnson as having a beard but I like it now that I’ve seen it

[sweet solar]

ferus should have some kind of fu ked up unclassifiable industrial rave facial hair

[runic swallow]

Weirdly it seems that the loyalists are significantly more facial hair coded than the traitors

Like, just based on vibes

[sweet solar]

well yrah because bald is evil

[runic swallow]

Angron shaves with a combat knife

[sweet solar]

vulkan gets his stubble with a lighter

[runic swallow]

Vulcan just doesn’t want to grow one because he keeps getting burned patches

[runic swallow]

Like, even if blacksmith and beard is a vibe, he just doesn’t seem like the guy to have one

[runic swallow]

Love how Blanch gave everyone the knee high boots, men or women

[past sphinx]

like frazetta he has standards

[runic swallow]

Frazetta said “everyone has to have great asses, it’s non-negotiable”

[thin ibex]

Ferrus manus, to me, has a circus strong man mustache and no beard

[runic swallow]

“Even the orcs sir?”
“Especially the orcs”

There’s a new Frazetta art book I’ve had my eye on

Always thought his art is really cool

[thin ibex]

Dorn is mutton chop coded, perty is goatee coded, konrad has a soul patch, magnus has a long well kept wizard beard, vulkan is stubble coded, leman is a well cared for and multiple braided and decorated beard coded

I could also see magnus with a single chin braid

[runic swallow]

See, I just can’t see Pert with a beard for whatever reason

[thin ibex]

Corvus is clean shaven or a pencil stache

[runic swallow]

He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to have one, hell, he seems like a guy that if he wasn’t bald would still shave his head down to not deal with having hair

[pastel rampart]

Corvus has hair, and it's a shitty-ass page cut.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/1/10/CoraxPortrait.jpg

Uneven bangs n' shit.

[jaunty dawn]

does anyone know bretonnia lore

do grail knights come and go or do they just stick around once they become immortal

cause like, I think repanse de lyonesse is pretty cool and I'm wondering if she's around during old world - she becomes a grail knight like 200 years before, and is active 200 years later leading the crusade to lustria

but idk if she would have to be like called to service to be around during old world or if she'd just be pissin about

[pastel rampart]

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grail_Knight It's possible she's around at that time as Grail Knights have greatly extended lifespans.

They come and go more or less as they please, usually guarding some sacred area of the land but occasionally venturing out to save someone. They answer to no one but the Lady of the Lake but they'll sometimes heed the call to arms from a lord.

[paper bluff]

Dick dastardly mustache/ goatee for one of them

[sweet solar]

its a rumour among the alpha legionaires that they always carry dozens of very slightly different fake mustache/goateres and switch them up beteen them whenever they are out of sight

[runic swallow]

Always got that MF thing on me
(The “thing” being Groucho Marx glasses)

[paper bluff]

I am SHOCKED to find there is not art of alpha legion marines with a false mustache

[upper canopy]

I'm not gay so I couldn't

[unreal cosmos]

I'm doing my part

[ebon forge]

Because it's invisible, brother.
Only Alpharius can see it

[junior robin]

been pondering how to make my own servo automatas only to realise they are about the same size as a servitor and I have 8+ of those just gathering dust

[ebon forge]

Also, is weird
At first I really was off by the colors, but I am slowly warming up to it

[pulsar cairn]

yellow

[ebon forge]

So we know Dorn prefers McDonalds
Does that mean Peter prefer Burger King?

[past sphinx]

i think peter is a wendys guy

[pulsar cairn]

i think more of the Lion when i think of burger king

[junior robin]

bad news: looks like my FLGS didn't manage to get the admech box for me

good news: that lets me build a army not based on it, so I could go mad and do 100% tech priests

[pulsar cairn]

[ebon forge]

Why so?

[past sphinx]

wendys has the baconator

[uneven ember]

I feel like he'd appreciate the square patties.

[past sphinx]

that to

[uneven ember]

also it's kind of amazing how nominally influential ACW Union generals were
between Ambrose Burnside and Joe Hooker

[paper bluff]

The lion would be hungry Jack's because he lived on a planet with dangerous wildlife

[junior robin]

bit tempted to use the HH admech army that lets you have myrmidons as troops using some primaris marines I got as a base, biggest problem is sculpting the robes and scratch-building the axes 🤔

[thin ibex]

What does the severe weapon rule do in the new kt?

[tired cairn]

Severe: If you don’t retain any critical successes, you can change one of your normal successes to a critical success. Any rules that take effect as a result of retaining a critical success (e.g. Devastating, Piercing Crits, etc.) still do.

(the last page of the lite rules has all the weapon tags)

Though a proper app would let you click to see the description from the datasheet

[thin ibex]

neat

was looking at the new kasrkin rules

[tired cairn]

Oh, they get it from a Skill at Arms. That seems pretty gross in a sniper

[ebon forge]

I love how the first T'Au Aethereal kill came from a Ratling sniper

[thin ibex]

I'm building and painting a kasrkin kill team for my big brother, intended to be a b day present but probably gonna be a "no specific holiday/ event" present

[quartz heron]

I won for the first time on warhammer 40k today.
Played 9th edition.

1000 points
Ghazgul thrakka & makari
2x squads of 20 boys
1x Gorkanaut

Opponent had
3x Carnifexes
3x Warriors
1x Hive Tyrant
1x Exacrene

My boys dogpilled a Carnifex on round 2 and annihilated it.
Round 3 They killed another one.
Then my second squad killed 3 Warriors
Then Ghazgul one shot a Hive Tyrant.
My Gorkanaut killed the third carnifex

My opponent conceded after that.

[thin ibex]

oh surprised you played 9th!

[quartz heron]

For some strange reason, Battlescribe on both our phones did not have 10th edition.
We tried for half an hour to find it and troubleshoot but with no luck.

[thin ibex]

the people doing the warhammer data had a falling out with bscribe

you'd have better luck using new recruit probably

[quartz heron]

Ah, news to me.

New Recruit… I’ll look it up.

Anyways, I had lots of fun rolling 60 DICE.

Then hitting on 45 of them because of glorious exploding sixes.

Having to take dice from my D&D dice box and also my opponent was hilarious

[thin ibex]

lol

[pale narwhal]

Newrecruit is excellent

[spice flicker]

Has new recruit updated to reflect the new points yet?

[jaunty dawn]

last release was 3 days ago

[floral herald]

https://x.com/carl_tabora/status/1846892510460952918?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Carl Tabora (@carl_tabora) on X

WALTER is a Man of Iron shut down for 17,000 years before he was restarted by The Eldar Corsair Fleet.

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 12:34 PM

https://x.com/mikebrooks668/status/1846967250382701026?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Mike Brooks (@MikeBrooks668) on X

You write a novel about someone and then she fails a rerollable 7” charge. Bloody Drukhari.

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 5:31 PM

Oh my gosh lol

[tardy vault]

LMAO

[spice flicker]

The power of the gray marines are too much for the dark eldar it seems.

Or are those gray world eaters?

[cosmic tulip]

This looks incredibly interesting

[thin ibex]

id not do it myself but i absolutely love the idea of painting grey marines in multiple layers of different grey paints

using all the advanced techniques

to achieve Grey Minis++

[uneven ember]

is the space-bow a weapon from tabletop or is it new to this?

[south axle]

Escher in Necromunda has bows, but haven't seen any Aeldari/Drukhari bow stuff on the tabletop

[uneven ember]

you'd think that would be an obvious choice
maybe too obvious, even

[floral herald]

New to this afaik

[upper canopy]

This MoI design really bothers me for some reason

Overwatch Omnic

[floral herald]

Lmaoooo

[uneven ember]

he's just a cheerful butler

[jaunty dawn]

is it not fanart?

[floral herald]

It is yeah

[upper canopy]

It do be yeah

[tired cairn]

Though, in terms of disrupting technology, modern Imperial "computer" tech is eminently stabable

[solemn gull]

I like how in Bounty Hunter hacking doors is just kicking the shit out of the servitor controlling it

[past sphinx]

Intimidate the door open is a time honored barbarian tradition

[jagged dawn]

https://x.com/nork_the_dork/status/1846761543175672224?s=46&t=oWW_NnXMz5xZU9SUUTq01g

Norko (@Nork_the_dork) on X

Seven Feet Tall Inquisitorial executioner send tweet

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 3:53 AM

[cosmic tulip]

REAL

[unreal cosmos]

https://x.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1847043366661349832

WOLFDAWG ART (@WolfdawgArt) on X

A tzaangor warlord and his pet sorcerers (they make him laugh)

#warhammercommunity #conceptart #warhammer40k

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 10:33 PM

[cosmic tulip]

https://www.tumblr.com/logicduel123/764556675168583680/i-was-surprised-no-one-had-done-this-yet?source=share

[mild glen]

Hey. What are The Good Lore Podcasts for AoS to put in my ears whilst I paint this horde of Skellyfriends?

[jagged dawn]

The only one we can name off the top of our head is Adeptus ridiculous? They have stuff on AoS/warhammer fantasy

There’s probably more series

[mild glen]

They have, like, three Fantasy episodes and they're all old world.

[bright dove]

There's Lorecast Eternals, but I have listened enough to verify quality.

[mild glen]

[cosmic tulip]

https://youtu.be/SgkfBY3X2e0?si=k2rTGP-aNoMVDT9v

[thin ibex]

Vibes question but does the rogal dorn tank feel particularly Cadian to yall?

I'm trying to decide what armor to bring in a thematically Cadian only list

[soft willow]

No, but my idea of Cadians cemented in 3rd edition so don’t listen to me.

[cosmic tulip]

Yes

[cinder wraith]

nah

steel legion for me tbh

[thin ibex]

Baneblade feels like a given if only to evoke creeds legacy

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1296804023047032872/image0.jpg?ex=67139e5c&is=67124cdc&hm=0882b9698a7e924904ca4d37591f5759fa25ebe7a77cb705f8cb7529c30c5a82&

[meager quail]

What happened to his eye, anyway?

[bright dove]

Lost it in a shadow game. :p

[polar crag]

I'd say yes

[pulsar cairn]

i like the rogal dorn tank

[upper canopy]

In our tts Canon I think we said that someone stole it out of his skull for a relic but I can't say with 100% certainty

[past sphinx]

He got stabbed in the face

Lost it in a poker match

Fell out one day and rolled under the throne

Used it as an iou

Never had one and nobody noticed

[thin ibex]

he actually still has that one, the bionic is on top of it

[untold swallow]

The likeliest answer, in my opinion is that the artist just thought it looked cool

And it will probably be adapted into an Odin reference at some point

[floral herald]

I think it’s mildly interesting how the bionic eye was added later

Though I also just dig the vibes of the RT era art

[upper canopy]

It's better the more pain he looks like he's in

[paper bluff]

Is the emp wasting away on the thone because it's not actually keeping him alive but in reality sucking away his life?

[pine matrix]

The conveyor belt...

[thin ibex]

i almost feel like the rt era one speaks more to the themati presence of the heart and soul of the imperium being a near zombified entity, decrepit and kept alive only to fuel the machinery of the empire

[floral herald]

It’s preventing him from finishing dying

He’s not really alive and it’s not “life support” but it keeps him in and endless dying moment in a deathless state aiui

[mild glen]

Emps is a Perpetual, so if he dies, he will come back (Unless Horus was using a silly super Perpetual-killing sword or something, I honestly don't recall) but his death would also potentially much wiipe out the Imperium by turning off the astornomicon and opening what is, essentially, another Eye of Terror right on Terra.

[floral herald]

Horus killed his soul and concept - he’s probably not coming back

[untold swallow]

But some (the radically stupid) want to try

And see what happens

[thin ibex]

i forget does the chair also keep the webway tunnel in the palace

closed

[floral herald]

Bled out his future lifespan into the Vengeful Spirit etc

[untold swallow]

I do find it funny

That one of the only viable ways for the Khan to come back barring just

Him saying fuck it we ball all the way out of Comorragh

Is Emps dying and the Webway portal under the Palace reopening and sucking Jags out

and by viable I purely mean 'it happening at all'

[mild glen]

Horus can't have killed Big E's soul if he's still the Astronomicon, though?

(I hereby admit I'm not ten thousand poercent dialed in on how all the warp/perpetual bullshit works)

[floral herald]

There’s… something left of him in the Throne

Idk if it’s a soul

[desert jay]

Just a crumb

[tired cairn]

What is all the screaming incoherent voices in the warp that Bobby talked to?

[mild glen]

Robutt projecting his own insecurities [/sar]

[floral herald]

Good question!

[untold swallow]

The gaping, ragged hole in the universe torn open by the psychic might of the Emperor being mauled by Horus is my personal favorite idea

[thin ibex]

there's also the faux warp emperor/star child and that Gman had a conversation with the emperor in the modern era

commenting that the pretence of humanity had been stripped of him

[pastel rampart]

I do like the theory that Emps is still there but he's increasingly unable to sort the souls of all those shaman he'd been gestalted into, both in part thanks to all the psykers he's been munching on for 10k years but also his abandoned role of the Dark King and the imperium's belief in his divinity is turning him into a god whether he likes it or not.

[floral herald]

It’s kind of a vibes thing but I think what Guilliman talked to was the decohered pile of aspects the Emperor fought Horus as trapped in the eternal moment of the Throne - similar to Malcador’s experience on it

Where Malcador was killed instantly by the throne but it trapped his spirit

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fragment_of_the_Emperor's_Soul Emps did cast off that part of himself before fighting Horus, and doubtless the centuries have not been kind to what little was left.

[lofty warren]

This is def my fave version of the golden throne

Its so pitiable

[lofty warren]

I think it was that rogal dorns iron halo poked it out

[tired cairn]

He also cast off a fragment of His soul that contained almost all of His hope, mercy, grace, loyalty, compassion and love

Ok, was this a very small fragment or was hope doing the heavy lifting here

[topaz elk]

It’s very funny seeing people bend over backwards for the imperium

The emperor’s not gonna make you a living saint bro

You’re just gonna get eaten by him when they find out you can cast fireball

[upper bluff]

I like the little iv drip, very funny considering the modern image of the emperor

[paper bluff]

I always imagined that praying to the emperor was kinda like

https://youtu.be/WHBQC0XYvYg?si=xwYmzFwLWj0it-zl

For him

Which, can get kinda annoying when you're trying to focus on something in front of you

Now just imagine if you were stuck in a single spot holding a dam together, after your favourite kid fights you and you obliterate his soul, also your best friend also disintegrated, then also you keep hearing more and more billions of voices pleading to you constantly

I think even a mind a fraction like a human's would be utterly scrambled after that

[desert jay]

I'm actually unsure what having loyalty would mean for the emperor, because it's not like he has anyone he answers too

The Imperium and its institutions as of 30,000 are all his fucking show

[tired cairn]

It would be loyalty to your subjects and/or the imperium. Or even more personal like loyalty to his friends or family (though be clearly fails at the latter)

Just because you run a place doesn't mean your loyal to it

[desert jay]

Ye but he doesn't just run the place, he built it

He didn't inherit Terra, he conquered it, etc

His family wasn't left to chance of birth, he crafted his sons in a lab

[tired cairn]

Eh, I don't think that matters? Like, in my mind, when you are a leader of a country or whatever, disloyalty is stuff like personally enriching yourself, particularly at the expense of the place. Whereas loyalty would be doing things for the best interest of it, particularly if it comes at a cost to you. This is independent of if you conquered the nation or not

For the sons things is it's pretty straightforward disloyalty: they are just useful tools to him to be disposed of when they are no longer convenient

He could have still treated them well even though he did make them

[desert jay]

I agree he does demonstrate disloyalty, but IDK if treating them well would be meaningful

And not just... I don't have the word. Self-aggandizement?

[tired cairn]

Oh, to be clear, I don't think he's a loyal person (hence my joke earlier). But I'm saying he hypothetically could have been

(though I'm sure he thinks he was ultimately serving humanity with his plan)

Though if he did, he would be a very different person than the Emperor lol

[desert jay]

Whereas loyalty would be doing things for the best interest of it, particularly if it comes at a cost to you.
This definition of loyalty is funny b/c the thing he immediately goes to do after casting loyalty (et al) aside is go and mostly-die to save the Imperium from Horus &co.

[tired cairn]

Yeah, that maybe doesn't make a lot of sense lol

I guess he committed to the plan before he did that. Sort of like how he'd hope he'd get his hope back lol

And tbh, I feel a bit like he was lying to himself if he thought those traits existed enough to stop him from killing Horus or would cause him to care enough to become more of a monster

[desert jay]

Hah, you might not be wrong

Though it could also be read as a "not taking chances" measure to prevent even a possible moment of hesitation

[ebon forge]

love mike

[tired cairn]

Drukhari are too snobbish to charge the unpainted plastic

[ebon forge]

Agreed

Also, nice, good Mike

[cosmic tulip]

aahhaa

[spice flicker]

Is aura of terror and/or panopholy worth putting on a knight abominant at the start of a crusade?

[remote wharf]

https://fixupx.com/Lorgarwasright/status/1847087929115762834?t=ZmFP6LqTcS1Kw33pLc4YlQ&s=19

[pastel rampart]

I got a suspicion and checked that account, dude follows a bunch of chuds.

[soft willow]

I mean being suspicious of anyone calling themselves Lorgar seems a good idea.

[floral herald]

Wow yeah it’s a people I’ve blocked laundry list

[soft willow]

Sounds like you have one more.

[floral herald]

Oh no I had this guy blocked months ago apparently

[pulsar cairn]

what's the funny beacon the emperor leaves in the warp that people use to navigate it?

[finite compass]

The Astronomican?

[pulsar cairn]

yeh yeh

do the traitors who dont interact with demons need to use it as well?

[finite compass]

Yes

Without it you're basically confined to small jumps of a few light years.

[pulsar cairn]

that's interesting

and ironic for those traitors

[finite compass]

The setup for the first Night Lords novel is literally them acquiring a Navigator

The Black Legion books have them using alternate means, but they're also Full Chaos ™️ and it's stated that the Astronomican is essentially holy fire to warp entities caught in it.

[pulsar cairn]

i imagine Black legion doesnt have a problem striking deals with demons and other warp entities

[finite compass]

Right

In this case it's a former Thousand Sons sorceror that's doing the navigating

So it's definitely some sort of warp ritual

[pulsar cairn]

they know the secrets of the warp

[uneven ember]

Now, Navigators have been around longer than the Astronomicon
But it allows longer jumps by providing a "landmark" to orient themselves with

[floral herald]

There have been many warp beacons

The Astronomicon is just the Imperium’s huge centralized one

[cosmic tulip]

Is the astronomican sacrificing psykers like

As designed?

I feel like the dark age warp tech would be much better

[uneven ember]

"You could accomplish the same result with five Mortys and a jumper cable.
"...which I also WOULDN'T DO"

[finite compass]

No. Great Crusade and Horus Heresy it was apparently being powered and directed by the Emperor himself.

[ebon forge]

I never knew GW was that bad

[pastel rampart]

lmao

Guaranteed there's a custom dice company out there that could get you 4x the amount of dice for the same price.

[floral herald]

It’s not a DAoT relic but the sacrifices aren’t part of the design

[finite compass]

It's basically the worst possible "never fucking use this" contingency plan (like sacrificing Psykers to the Golden Throne) that was probably meant as a stopgap, but then just never stopped, and over the millennia became Holy SOP.

Because this is the Imperium we're talking about

[past sphinx]

Its not even of human make

[meager quail]

The Emperor maintained it with pure psychic ability during his life, but now that he's mostly dead on the Golden Throne, they need to feed him all those psykers to keep him functioning.

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Golden_Throne It does seem to date back to at least the DAoT but no one knows who made it, human or otherwise.

[meager quail]

maybe creating an interstellar empire that can only function by exploiting your personal psychic superpowers is a bad idea, i dunno

[uneven ember]

Yeah I don't think the guy whose dress sense is just "gold and eagles" and makes everyone else just call him "the Emperor" is worked up about how people are gonna manage without him

[floral herald]

I was talking about the Astronomicon

Which was built by the Emperor in M30

[tired cairn]

Oh, I didn't know they were separate things

[past sphinx]

he strapped tv dish to the side of his giant space motorhome

[thin ibex]

If you're list building specifically against necrons, what are tags, weapon stats, or model stats that you're generally looking for?

[floral herald]

Deep strike denial maybe? Comp necrons love to teleport

[mild glen]

IIRC, the plan was to have the Astronomicon be a Beacon used by Emps, Magnus, and Malcador interchangeably

But also as part of a webway gate project?

[floral herald]

I think the Throne was for the webway project

I don't think the Astronomicon was actually intended to be used long term

I think it was a temporary navigational beacon to enable the crusade and then once the webway project was complete could be decommissioned.

[desert jay]

Don’t forget the part where he’s also unaging and extremely hard to murder

“Yeah I’m still gonna be around” is typically a safe bet for perpetuals

[paper bluff]

to be fair, He didn't want to be called "The emperor"

I think malcador convinced him to be styled that way

[bright dove]

"Hey, do you remember Star Wars? You should totally be like, a golden version of that Palpatine guy"

[soft willow]

Str6 attacks with AP 1

[mild glen]

Okay. What now?

[thin ibex]

devilfish

6 of them

[upper canopy]

You should protect your breachers with some melee chaff

have you tried buying 250 kroot hounds?

[mild glen]

And then 3 fireblades and 3 ethereals and 3 Stealth Suits and 2 riptides?

[brittle salmon]

you will surely not regret fielding 250 kroot hounds

[upper canopy]

Two Hundred

Fifty

Kroot Hounds.

https://tenor.com/view/five-hundred-cigarettes-bortus-orville-cigarettes-500-gif-7580742793072271551

[thin ibex]

i dont think you can though

[mild glen]

Legally? No. Unless Opp had a sense of humor

[bold halo]

they can't arrest you without getting through your two hundred and fifty kroot hounds

[mild glen]

Just the the Detachment [250 Kroot Hounds] which makes it so you don't need a Warlord and gives Kroot Hounds an OC of 1 and lets you field unlimited kroot hounds.

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/Sughammer/status/1846995302718624054

WUH

[thin ibex]

i watched it

its decent

a bit jank at times, but overall decent

whats gundam without a bit of jank

[upper canopy]

G Gundam

[thin ibex]

-_-

[sweet solar]

its no igloo

igloo is the sweet jank

[cosmic tulip]

I like it

If requium has one fan that is me

It is janky but I like the zeon pov and the mobile suits

[sweet solar]

https://youtu.be/U0uDQ8rpmLA?si=Yg6OmfUlz7zPAVcS

[upper bluff]

I love this meme format so much

[runic swallow]

I still find it hilarious that the Horned Rat is in there now

[upper bluff]

Bro earned his spot honestly

[runic swallow]

Like, his whole thing is really just “im the rat that chews on your walls (of reality)”

[upper bluff]

Just the worst demonic being

Nothing positive to be interpreted

[bright dove]

"None of y'all would have gotten the win in the Endtimes without me"

[hybrid oyster]

Breach and clear

[lofty warren]

Skaven have always been about secretly really dumb jokes

Im pretty sure the warpstone obsession is a roundabout "moon made from cheese" bit

[runic swallow]

I’d also argue that all Skink names were where that is most obvious, but Skaven are a close second

[lofty warren]

I think skink names are obviously really dumb jokes

[runic swallow]

Ah, true

[untold swallow]

one's literally named teenie-weenie iirc

who is Skink Moses

[runic swallow]

Yeah but it’s got more apostrophes

[lofty warren]

Split between the charmingly british nature of the skink names and the unfortunately british racism of the skink names

[untold swallow]

There is one that reigns above all others

https://tenor.com/view/lord-mazdamundi-total-war-warhammer-hexoatl-lizardmen-warhammer-fantasy-gif-25010264

L O R D K R O A K

[runic swallow]

Weird seeing him not being a mummy

Or is that a different frog-guy

[lofty warren]

Tiktaq'to is both my favorite and probably the worst of it

[untold swallow]

THAT'S THE GUY WHO RIDES THE PTERADON

[runic swallow]

Absolutely the best name

[untold swallow]

I FORGOT HIS NAME

[lofty warren]

This is not kroak

This is mazdamundi

[untold swallow]

shit

u rite

hmmm

next 40k writing challenge

make a Blood Ravens style 'totally not using X traitor's gene-seed' chapter

[lofty warren]

Have you seen the sons of the pheonix

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_the_Phoenix

For those unaware

The DEFINITELY IMPERIAL FIST SUCCESSORS

IGNORE ALL RESEMBLANCE TO EMPERORS CHILDREN ICONOGRAPHY AND TERMINOLOGY

[quaint compass]

What would the Imperium call the tech level of their current "standard" tech?

I'm setting up a list of tech levels for the homeworlds of regiments in my cursed Only War copy. Got these:
Feral - Pre-metal/equivalent tech
Feudal - Use of metals/equivalent but limited to hand-made equipment
Industrial - Covers techs enabled by mechanically made goods
Common - Early electronics and our level of material science
(X) - The lower high-tech of the Imperium (⬅️ - We are here)
(Y) - The higher tech of the Imperium and anything beyond such as most Archeotech

[hard whale]

Sanctioned and Experimental?

[quaint compass]

I did consider Sanctioned, but it sound more like they tolerate it than something they take for granted

Though I should go down that road

Reclaimed? As it is properly sanctioned by the cult mechanicus and returned to the fold of humanity after being corrupted and unclean by thinking machines.

[hard whale]

Is everything at that level reclaimed? I guess things like lasguns and chimeras come from STCs which were reclaimed

you could just call it "Standard"

[quaint compass]

Honestly yeah

I think I was trying too hard to avoid readers mistaking Standard Tech for basically contemporary

[hard whale]

it depends on whether you want to emphasise "we can rely on it, it's safe" or "we can rely on it because everyone else does"

[quaint compass]

Basically yeah, since most current tech is derived from DaoT and their STCs

I'll just go with Standard, after writing a paragraph describing why I picked or feel about each word

Now to go with the next level, which is a little bit fiddlier since it covers all the real big stuff taken out of STCs and adopted from conquered post-DaoT human civilizations

Might just go Archeotech, but that's fucking wild variations of sophistication

Exalted has sting to it

Feels like something normal, but upraised above what is already there

[dense idol]

there's a fifth type of grenade in the hivestorm universal equipment and i have no idea what it's supposed to be

the long, smooth, cylindrical one

[arctic lynx]

Pattern Standard might work in that case. Like "this is what the forge worlds produce"

[arctic lynx]

Artificer maybe? It's kind of specific as well

[floral herald]

So this is kinda based on the old lore bible document, which is now pretty old but they do not have a standard tech level

The imperium is all over the board with forgotten hypertech mainframes with antigravity plugged into clacking mechanical computers which run on an on-site generator

[thin ibex]

Imperium is extremely non homogenous across the board

[floral herald]

The same space ships might use supertech plasma cannons 1 deck above hand loaded macro cannons

And this applies everywhere

[meager quail]

AIUI part of the issue in lore is that the Imperium mostly doesn't create technology anymore

It is just using an ever-dwindling supply of older stuff from varying points throughout the last 40,000 years

[tired cairn]

The Imperial Guard having anti-gravity tech for their paratroopers while also relying on search lights for fighting at night is another example I find funny

[meager quail]

No one expected to forget how to make LED crystals okay

[untold swallow]

It is in fact very funny lol

[cosmic tulip]

They do make mention of reclaimed or sanctioned experimental tech

Like Ryza’s plasma

[desert jay]

It also creates a lot of dissonance with the Primaris line, esp the hover tanks

[thin ibex]

the main thing is the belisarius cawl has been working on the primaris from back when grav bikes were a thing hasnt he?

So he's been able to design with older tech in mind for like 10k years

older in this case meaning better

[upper bluff]

Yeah, the entire primaris line of hyper tech exists because Cawl got an IOU from Jesus

Otherwise the guy would've been chased out for tech Heresy 8,000 years ago

[pulsar cairn]

i love Cawl he's hilarious

[past sphinx]

I'm vibin with this

[untold swallow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/ytTxuUwCeS

[jaunty dawn]

primaris also don't really do a whole lot that's actually new, just brute force the stuff that already exists tbh

[junior robin]

what if some warp fuckery happend and Leman Russ only spent a minute in the warp but 10k years happened outside.

[solemn gull]

We need to bring back the rogue trader shit where every unit had a banner

[past sphinx]

Thats just lion and gman again

Back banners go hard

And still do

I think is a big gap in the primaris aestetic tbh

[solemn gull]

The tacticool doesn’t really blend well with banners and other decorations

[untold swallow]

man

I'd be such a mark for Crowe

[past sphinx]

Anachronism is the name of the game baby!

[untold swallow]

If he wasn't GK

[solemn gull]

A lot of the new black templars are really cool though

[jaunty dawn]

primaris would look fine with back banners

[untold swallow]

Cheese I made a homebrew chapter of Dark Angels successors that are simultaneously knights and counterintel spooks lmao

[jaunty dawn]

like

[untold swallow]

The market for weird tacticool knight marines is there

I actually think the best example here is a phobos unit

[solemn gull]

I don’t think they are inherently opposed but Gw puts them on opposite ends of the spectrum

[untold swallow]

also what's the cope behind the wrist bolters again?

[solemn gull]

I can never decide if that model is the coolest thing ever or the dumbest

[untold swallow]

Can't channel your powers effectively when holding something?

[floral herald]

I think part of the loss of banners is that TLOS makes them bad

[solemn gull]

I’ve never met someone that uses banners for LOS

[jaunty dawn]

sternguard sergeant too

[untold swallow]

The correct answer is they're fuckin cool, especially with helmet swaps

[pine matrix]

Did you do the lettering yourself?

Beautiful banner either way!

[past sphinx]

No their molded that god

Thank*

[untold swallow]

imagine the phobos librarian but with the helmet from the normal primaris

[floral herald]

It’s mostly a WAAC tournament thing

[thin ibex]

fighting with a whole ass banner on your backpack always seems like such a challenge in close confines

[untold swallow]

hot take the primaris librarian helmet is tight as fuck

[thin ibex]

whats waac?

[jaunty dawn]

as much as they were available in the tactical squad kit back banners are more of a heresy/space wolves thing to me

[floral herald]

Win At All Costs

[jaunty dawn]

like swolves are the ones who got one for each squad type

[thin ibex]

yeah but wolf banners wer also like a wolf totem thing

rather than a whole banner

[solemn gull]

This is where I think a lot of the clash happens between the knight aesthetic and the tacticool

Collapsible banners when GW

[floral herald]

I don’t think that’s a super hot take

[thin ibex]

space marine boarding squad cant travel in ship corridors, banner keeps bumping into door tops

[floral herald]

I like the additions on the normal tacitus helm

[solemn gull]

I mean in fairness 40k ship hallways are huge

[floral herald]

And the psychic hood is neat

[thin ibex]

the doors are the problem more than the hallways

[jaunty dawn]

hallways are fairly regularly too small for like, a box dread

but the answer to that is they just wouldn't use the banner in a boarding action anyway

especially if they have a boarding shield they could display heraldry on

[untold swallow]

You know what I'm surprised no one's tried

Making them look like holograms

[solemn gull]

The tiny primaris tilt shields are cool as fuck

[floral herald]

Lore wise the banners are collapsible

[thin ibex]

hot take with current meta, but chapter ancients are cool; i would include them in any crusade list i made

[solemn gull]

Great for heraldry

[floral herald]

They’re like pop-up doohickies

[untold swallow]

My list has two lmao

One in Company Champs and a Bladeguard Ancient leading my bladeguard

Also, this is tangentially SM2

But Quartus is an Ancient, which I find fun

[thin ibex]

which one is quartus?

[untold swallow]

Bulwark

[solemn gull]

I’ve always wanted to model the 1-armed banner guy from the 8th edition codex

[untold swallow]

His ability is literally slamming that bitch down for you all to fight around

aka the cover of like

[thin ibex]

homeboy keeps putting it away after a bit

[untold swallow]

Every Marine codex

[thin ibex]

but he also makes it do damage

[untold swallow]

I mean he does put it away but also c'mon XD

[solemn gull]

Also what do people think about filler units for rank and flank stuff in Old World

[thin ibex]

how do you mean filler?

[solemn gull]

Like when you make a totem or scenic piece that takes up multiple “tiles” in a unit

[thin ibex]

no strong feelings in either direction

[jaunty dawn]

they seem pretty cool

[thin ibex]

they look neat tho\

[jaunty dawn]

I'm a pretty big fan of battle pilgrims in bretonnia and they basically just get an official filler unit lol

and like, the stakes for their archers

[solemn gull]

Do you have a picture of this?

[floral herald]

I think unit fillers are neat but shouldn’t be used universally

[jaunty dawn]

instead of champion and banner battle pilgrims get a group of guys holding a dead guy and his stuff

[solemn gull]

That is quite cool

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah like for true filler I think if it's like, thematic to the unit extending that for proxying seems pretty fun

and breaks up the tedium a little

[runic swallow]

I think it’s fine, yeah

Especially if it means you don’t need to buy quite as many models since we all know Warhammer is expensive

[pastel rampart]

Kings of War takes it to the logical extension and just gives you a footprint for the unit and says "hey go wild."

You don't remove models from the unit so you can do whatever.

[cosmic tulip]

https://www.tumblr.com/kitto-paint/764792266832347136/i-made-nail-art-skitarii-before-i-think-i-need-to?source=share

[crisp lance]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/686122382435418119/1296924702895505470/110cwOq.mp4?ex=67156040&is=67140ec0&hm=9cce884828b348921b9155391a2ad614ef4914f3f63240bc8e974697fe6c0479&

[pulsar cairn]

I love that so much

[ebon forge]

The true champion ofthe Horus Heresy

[untold swallow]

This made me laugh for so loud for such a long time my mom got concerned lmao

[sweet solar]

Cult Template Technology

its not necceserily all utc but anything that is goig to get cult sign off has to follow their standard peocedure even when the procedure doesnt activly do anything or is directly activly wrong and harmful

[paper bluff]

any one here knkow a good replacement for the

type of base?

[past sphinx]

i mean there really only scenic replacements

and then everybodys kinda just tip toeing off stuff

[jaunty dawn]

as fucky as they are they are like

doing something unique

unfortunately

but yeah best bet is to make some tactical rock bases

or well depends on the exact issue you're looking to fix really

[paper bluff]

that's a smoke stand I see also

[paper bluff]

a more robust connection

[jaunty dawn]

so one option that used in the better designed gw kits is modelling some element that provides additional contact points for the stand

the best example being the sisters jet pack infantry, whose purity seals wrap around the stand and make a much better connection

but you could also do that manually if theres a good opportunity to do so

another potential option is pinning it

[untold swallow]

There's 100% already a Joan of Arc character in the Sisters of Battle, right?

[floral herald]

You can magnetize those and it works pretty well

For jetbikes and infantry anyway

Tanks are harder

[past sphinx]

thats the secret rhi, their all joan of arc

hence the fleur

[untold swallow]

I mean

Specifically

Has visions, was doubted as holy before her visions come true in a victory aided by the morale boost of a holy figure arriving, etc etc

That said I've adapted the idea into a fem!Marine

[past sphinx]

thats kinda the big girl herself

she was a repentia once

dies

[untold swallow]

Being who?

[past sphinx]

comes back

[untold swallow]

Big C?

[past sphinx]

yeah

though still somehow not a very good fit as she is notably less nuts than your battle line sister

witch never made much sense

Saint sabbat sweep

[untold swallow]

anyways the adapted version is a fem!marine librarian who was rejected by the sisters due to her latent psychic nature, and before the black ships could come to take her a schismatic civil war broke out in which she became a popular leader of the laity due to her visions, and after nearly dying while fighting side-by-side with the squad of her future chapter's marines stationed on the planet, they decided to take her

[past sphinx]

the core problem with making a Joan character is receiving visions from god, raising an army and doing a small holy war is the imperium is really into that shit

[untold swallow]

For context she is at this time an absolute maximum age of like 13

[past sphinx]

and france notably wasnt

[untold swallow]

We get around that by her doing it in the wrong way for the faction she'd normally belong to tho

i.e. oops ur a psyker we don't like you anymore

which is fuckin stupid, sororitas psykers would be badass and also Big C is almost certainly a psyker she can set people on fire with her fucking mind

[past sphinx]

psyker/priest/saint its all the the paperwork

the imperium is built on contradiction

[untold swallow]

Also Ephrael Stern

who looks so gloriously 90s it hurts

like look at her hair

It's partially to convey she's falling but she looks like a dragon ball character

[cosmic tulip]

Stern x Kyganil

Also yes it’s so.. peak

[floral herald]

I think she’s being carried up by updraft

[past sphinx]

Also the Feminine Brigades of saint joan of arc are a fucking fascinating topic, would suggest looking into them

[floral herald]

Daemonifuge is also just like 90s wild in a way a lot of more modern stuff isn’t

[past sphinx]

25,000 secret female catholic militants fighting for i believe Zapata

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/s/LfkPrIF5ln

This is fuckin sick

Nemesis Claw make great Deathwatch

[untold swallow]

I do wonder which role that phobos librarian is filling lol

Fearmonger probs

chainglaive boi is chainglaive boi

Heavy bolter heavy gunner

Plasma gun gunner

lightning claws screecher

[pulsar cairn]

btw why imperial nobles look so weird?

Like i know our nobles also looked weird

[unreal cosmos]

Dune

[pulsar cairn]

But their nobles look weird weird

[untold swallow]

Dune

[pulsar cairn]

Never watched dune

[unreal cosmos]

Neither did the people who made Warhammer 40k, they read it

[pulsar cairn]

Fair

well imma go bed since i dont really get it

Good night!

[untold swallow]

pffff lmao

[untold swallow]

Yooooo the Gunner is a Retributor!

[floral herald]

Visionary I think

Ventrilokar is also a psyker but I think the space wolf is that one

[untold swallow]

There's a space wolf?

I saw two Raven Guard, a Raptor, a Retributor, and a Templar

oh the backpack

I'm a feckin dumb

Visionary I didn't initially clock as a psyker but yeah, it is

[floral herald]

NC is weird and has the most psykers of any elite team iirc

[uneven ember]

"Dune" is an answer, 40K took inspiration from Dune the way a man in a ski mask might take inspiration from the contents of a car after smashing in the driver's side window
But also it's because, as you say, the nobility in the real world often looks really weird, and the reason for this is that nobility is more or less by definition people who have a lot of money and don't have anything real to do with their time except show off for each other, which can lead to some really wild results as a small group of friends and relatives show off by imitating and trying to outdo each other in whatever style trend has caught on
So Warhammer 40000 is that, but with richer people than have ever lived in real human history, and also probably a lot of crazy medical stuff that they get up to

[untold swallow]

Yeah its my next kill team now

I love me some space wizards

[finite compass]

RE: Daemonifuge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHaMsM6xHP8

[pulsar cairn]

Is the Lion weaker than he was back at the Heresy?

Or did age not affect him all that much?

[pulsar cairn]

FROG

[pastel rampart]

He notes to himself that he feels a little slower than he used to be, but admittedly he's been napping for 10,000 years and it was after fighting Daemon Angron.

[pulsar cairn]

so only a lil bit, and might not even be due to his age

[pastel rampart]

Hard to tell, we haven't gotten much more info about the Lion after that.

[upper canopy]

He is slower and weaker

And when he woke up he thought that a sorcerer had put a hex on him to sap him of his strength

When he got to the sorcerer the guys final words were laughing as hard as he could and saying "Nah dude you're just old"

[pulsar cairn]

Funny

[thin ibex]

Iirc it was actually before, it's after slaughtering some normal chaos marines, he asks one what they did to him and the guy laughs, yelling him he got old is what happened

Oh missed voys response sry

Chat update slow

Hey guys, what color is Incubi Darkness?

It's a cyan right?

[jaunty dawn]

uh

it's like a dark green

[thin ibex]

Ok

Forgot I gotta order a new paint

ty

buying the leviathan purple and druchii violet

[jaunty dawn]

druchii violet is great

[thin ibex]

i think itll be the color i was actually wanting

that i got incubi darkness for

because im not very good at colors lol

its gonna be the cloth color for my tau

and/or under color if i want it somewhere on my suits

im using kakaphoni purple for the tau symbol and some gun/armor elements

and im thinking maybe macragge blue for squad markings/sergeant helmet colors

[untold swallow]

I cannot wait for the eventual conversation between the Lion and Big E

[ebon forge]

LORD CROAK

[thin ibex]

did we get any text about the reunion of the lion and G man?

[upper canopy]

Nope

They're on opposite sides of the rift

[runic swallow]

Imperium Secundus…. 2!

[ebon forge]

Would be so funny if the Lion and G end up building two different imperium and it starts a civil war

[thin ibex]

theres absolutely no way that Gman and Lion dont meet though, on the principle of the only 2 loyalist primarchs active in the galaxy

might be oncoming rather than having happened already though

but i imagine at least G man would have a very clear interest in it

Lion may care a little less, but also i think he'd have compelling character reasons to meet back up with g man

[wild fog]

The Primarchs all being like ready to fight Guillman is mostly a meme, so i doubt they will go that direction

[thin ibex]

oh when i said meet, i meant meet, not fight

[tired cairn]

The Lion isn't empire building right? Just kind of doing stuff

Has Guilliman met Dante?

🤔 if the Lion was like "put me in charge" would Dante go "yeah, sure"

[floral herald]

Yes

After the turbid invasion of Baal

[tired cairn]

Oh, was that before or after the rift opened?

[wide veldt]

So

[floral herald]

After

[tired cairn]

What are you trying to convey with turbid

[wide veldt]

As someone who doesn’t play the actual war game but wants to

Are the imperial knights, the mechas, actually any good as a faction?

[tired cairn]

Oh, interesting. I guess you can still cross the rift it's just really hard? Or did they use non-warp means to do that

[floral herald]

Yes but with the large asterisk that you won’t field very many if any of the big knights

And will instead use the smaller ones and borrowed cops and space ship boarding crew from Imperial Agents

[tired cairn]

They have decent win-rates but are bad at winning tournaments

[floral herald]

There’s several stable passageways

[tired cairn]

The Imperial knights use more big knights than Chaos ones I think

[wide veldt]

Oh I don’t care about tournaments if just be playing with my pals

[tired cairn]

Though maybe it's just Canis Rex lol

[wide veldt]

There are chaos titans???!!!

[tired cairn]

Yes

[floral herald]

It changes slate to slate but broadly speaking you won’t be reliably using big knights competitively

[tired cairn]

Womp

[desert jay]

I heard they're also fun to paint if you're used to painting minis, but if you're starting off with Knights there's the issue of like... it's a lot of work before you see your first finished model

[tired cairn]

Hopefully they fix that with the December update, if not the recent points changes

[floral herald]

Imperial Knights get more use out of the big ones because Imperial Knights are tougher and less focused on meme battleshock moves

[wide veldt]

Valid, knights are just so badass

[desert jay]

There's also going to be their codex releasing in the first half of next year

[tired cairn]

Hopefully that's done by the people who make the fun codices and not the disappointing codices lol

[desert jay]

Probably Q1 and not Q2

[wide veldt]

I have also finally found a few Space Marine chapters that I actually want to play sometime which is impressive cause I

Kinda don’t usually like the marines

[tired cairn]

It's weird that there are no Q4 codex releases

[desert jay]

There's a space marine chapter for almost anyone

(Sometimes its a chaos/renegade one)

[wide veldt]

White Scars and Salamanders

Are my loyalist picks

White Scars because I love their weird doctrine and also the lore of like

“Turns out giving marines hobbies kinda fixes them a little”

[tired cairn]

I like Salamanders because they are the "nice" ones who care more about civilian casualties. But also they use fire lol

[junior summit]

yeah you end up with tournament lists that are canis rex and his ten buddies

[wide veldt]

Same

[tired cairn]

Though, for casual play, are big knights fine

[junior summit]

probably

[wide veldt]

My tournament list is kroot hounds obviously

[junior summit]

local meta dependent

[tired cairn]

I am reminded of that bad-detachment custodes list that was Canis Rex, a bunch of vehicles and oh, some Sisters of Silence too. Somehow it won lol

[floral herald]

I think knights in general are kind of weird for casual play since I think running a list with nothing below T10 in it is just always gonna be skew

But it’s casual stuff for incidental skew is ok

I just feel like a lot of casual tac style lists are gonna have to do the weird avoid confrontation and win on points stuff

[junior summit]

or you end up with 1k points games where it's just two big knights wandering around

[wide veldt]

Ngl my favorite stuff in 40k is usually the stupid forgeworld shit you can’t use in tournaments anyway

[junior summit]

wait no point increases

[wide veldt]

One of my dreams is to actually field the manta some day

That giant beautiful bastard

[tired cairn]

You can use mantas in tournaments iirc

GW had to nerf flyers very slightly because of them iirc

[upper bluff]

very slightly

[wide veldt]

I did not know that the point total went that high in tournaments

[tired cairn]

Though I'd be worried about GW dropping support for FW stuff

[floral herald]

It wasn’t the manta that got flyers nerfed

[desert jay]

Yeah I really think Armigers should've been T9 for this reason but alas

[floral herald]

It was the little Tau flyers mostly

[tired cairn]

Oh, was it a different FW flyer?

[floral herald]

And the eldar planes

[upper bluff]

oh that makes sense

[wide veldt]

Fliers are so silly

[desert jay]

The T9/T10 breakpoint is actually a big deal, there's a lot of weapons at S5 and S9

[tired cairn]

I thought it was the big one that couldn't fit in the comes into board rules?

[upper bluff]

I wish that fliers actually worked in 10th

I like the Tau planes

[junior summit]

I think the other side of the coin is that most of the time a big knight is overkill for most targets

[tired cairn]

I think they should just make them normal units with deepstrike and hover

[junior summit]

if an armigier lands a decent hit whatever it's fighting is probably badly wounded to dead, and if canis rex lands a decent hit whatever it's fighting is........also dead, so what does all those points actually get you, y'know?

unless your opponent also has a ton of high durability units for rex to punch

[tired cairn]

I didn't think Armigars were that strong

[floral herald]

Yeah it was the tiger shark iirc

[junior summit]

they're not going to be killing baneblades but for infantry and stuff?

[wide veldt]

Clearly they need to add swimmers

[desert jay]

I'm actually unsure how many MEQ or GEQ models a knight's melee goes through, practically

[thin ibex]

you cant use mantas because tournaments are generally 2k, the manta costs more than that iirc

[tired cairn]

Oh, it's still a big flyer, just not a huge one lol

[wide veldt]

Manta is 2100

[junior summit]

I think those are the same number since freedom's hand sweep is AP2

[thin ibex]

manta be strictly for 3k/fun home scenarios

[thin ibex]

for anyone swimming in cash

[junior summit]

wait no space marines have a 4+

[wide veldt]

It can also contain about 1–2k worth of embarked units lol

[tired cairn]

Armigar sweep is "only" 8 attacks

[junior summit]

ok I'm lost in the sauce, space marines are a 3+

[tired cairn]

Canis Rex gets crits on 5 to make the sweep better

[junior summit]

I think they were 4+ in prior editions

[desert jay]

Even if it was AP50 S200, 10 attacks at 2+ is only killing 8-9 guys

[tired cairn]

Also Canis Rex gets a greedy CP reduction ability lol

[desert jay]

Which means that no, Canis Rex does not wipe a fresh squad of 10 in melee

[tired cairn]

Is that with sustained hits on 5+ included? Though I guess that's only 1-2 more probably

[desert jay]

Ah yeah forgot sustained 5+, that's probably 2-3 more

[junior summit]

sustained hits on 5+ is 1/3 more attack per roll, so you get three more attacks

[floral herald]

Never have been

[junior summit]

really?

[wide veldt]

Me nodding dumbly while reading all this

[floral herald]

I think power armor has been a 3+ save since Rogue Trader

[junior summit]

yeah

I'm just losing it disregard me

[thin ibex]

sm have had a 3+ save for as long as ive played

[floral herald]

Terminators used to be a weird 3+ on 2d6 save though

[tired cairn]

Canis Rex can Thunderstomp for free every attack of devastating wounds helps.

[wide veldt]

I knew the rules for like…. 6e at one point but I have no clue how this game works anymore tbh

[tired cairn]

They buffed the armor on the upper end of things. Pretty sure gaunts used to be 6+

[desert jay]

Emily how old were you when people were playing 6e?

[tired cairn]

And orks definitely were

[wide veldt]

Uhhh what year

Was that

[floral herald]

6+ armor saves were basically fake since nearly every gun was at least AP6

[desert jay]

2012-2014

[wide veldt]

Like 11-13

Years old

[tired cairn]

My understanding is that also because of the space marine meta, 5+ was too right?

They were AP5? Or am I crazy

[wide veldt]

But the reason is because my uncle gave me a bunch of his old codex he didn’t need anymore

[desert jay]

Ahhh, that would explain it

[wide veldt]

And a bunch of them were 6e

[floral herald]

Bolters were AP5 yeah

But there was more AP6 than there was AP5 or worse

[tired cairn]

Oh, I'm sure. I just remember child self being told some armor upgrade wasn't worth it because it effectively didn't do anything

[floral herald]

Oh maybe some of the tyranid ones?

[wide veldt]

Also had a 3e codex

For witch hunters

[floral herald]

I think there was a +1 armor save one gaunts could take which was a total waste

[tired cairn]

Yeah, they had all that mutation stuff in 3e

[wide veldt]

Witch hunters fucking rocked btw

[floral herald]

I think I played against that codex once or twice

[wide veldt]

I love the fucked up cyber flagellents

[bright dove]

Witch Hunters was fun.

[wide veldt]

What would yall recommend for learning to play 10e?

[floral herald]

Like reading material or like an easy faction or

[wide veldt]

The former mostly

[floral herald]

I personally prefer learning things by reading them so I would say just read the rule book

Goonhammers tactics pages and guides are nice for getting a sense of how the game works competitively

[wide veldt]

Hate that name but otherwise noted

[floral herald]

For what it’s worth it’s because ex-SomethingAwful users started it it’s not actually the other kind haha

[wide veldt]

Aghhhh

Accidental g

[past sphinx]

Goonhammer is somehow one of the lesser cringe warhammer sites

Still a little cringe but oh boy their well outstripped

[pastel rampart]

Yeah "goon" predates the modern internet version by a good 20 years, and as a general term predates the internet by uh...centuries actually (1580, when it was known as "gooney")

[wide veldt]

No yeah I know :3

Wow 1500s?

[pastel rampart]

Shortened from gooney, from obsolete gony ("simpleton", circa 1580), of unknown origin. Perhaps a familiar term derived from Middle English gone, a variant of gome (“man, person”). Gony was applied by sailors to the albatross and similar big, clumsy birds (circa 1839). The term goon first carried the meaning "stupid person" (circa 1921).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goon#Etymology_1 Interesting bit of info, really.

As "hired thug" it started showing up in the late 1930s which fits.

[thin ibex]

i grew up with goon being a gangster's henchman

[pastel rampart]

Same.

[thin ibex]

personally

[past sphinx]

Also a solid comic book

[bright dove]

Yeah, a Goon for me is just a big slab of a guy who's there to say "Dis is what da boss wants to happen"

[wide veldt]

Sadly my thing is more rooted in my being terminally online than my age

[past sphinx]

I think a double beamer decimator packed for dev wounds could be nuts

[past sphinx]

Oddly though we lose out on the armigers S10 tragically

[tired cairn]

Oh, I finally remembered to check: they did reduce the points costs on a bunch of knights but made Rex more expensive. I'm guessing not enough to move the needle though

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/mossacannibalis/status/1847969845301899523

[cosmic tulip]

OBIWAN

[uneven ember]

help me obiwan sherlock cleuseau

[floral herald]

I love how stupid that beard is

[pastel rampart]

It's great honestly.

[cosmic tulip]

Fuck

Shook the ca. for five minutes

But then it still applied thickly!

Maybe it’s because it’s paint bonding primer?

I wiped off a bit with a paper towel but it just..

Fuck!

I’m gonna just buy citadel primer

Is primer designed to bond paint to walls different?

[floral herald]

yes

[cosmic tulip]

Oh

[uneven ember]

Yeah, there are a lot of cases where you're just getting a markup for no reason because they know you'll pay it but stuff like minis primer is, compared to most paints, really concerned with preserving detail

[cosmic tulip]

My dad just asked the guy at the store for primer for painting

Welp

Back In the alchol bath it goes

And I got primer on my nails! (It’s not coming off)

):< I am upset.

[uneven ember]

Sorry. :/

[cosmic tulip]

My thing with Warhammer models is like

I don’t have the money to be able to make mistakes

[bold halo]

if you want some cheaper minis to practice painting on and make mistakes, reaper bones are great

[cosmic tulip]

Are there any stores that sell like

28mm sci-fi minis for cheap? As good proxies?

I’d love some just generic stuff I can buy that I don’t need to 3d print

[floral herald]

I will also say that particularly if you live in an unfavorable climate paint-on primer can be a good option

[cosmic tulip]

Oh the climate is alright!

It’s just I’ve never used a non citadel primer before

I’m used to good results from the first spray (and I spray in short bursts, moving the can back and forth)

[lofty warren]

Im shocked they haven't made an "inquisitor clousseau" mini

[tired cairn]

For Cheaper aerosol primer, I think Krylon's is considered ok. I also like Vallejo's (though that one might not be cheaper lol)

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/kitto_paint/status/1847796903330648365?t=BqrbeNJE4bvgbZp7QvU3JA&s=19

KITTO (@kitto_paint) on X

Sororita makeup tutorial.

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 12:28 AM

[cosmic tulip]

Will this work?

It doesn’t say if it’s for like.. bonding paint to walls

[thin ibex]

I... wouldn't?

I dont think its meant for plastic

[cosmic tulip]

sigh I’ll tell my dad..

Idk I just.. citadel is expensive

[thin ibex]

valid, i think army painter makes a primer/basecoat spray as well

[cosmic tulip]

This is irritating he keeps getting me the wrong one!

But I also don’t know any good alternatives at stores near me

It’s all hardware stores and the game stores in my city all sell citadel

[floral herald]

Internet seems to think the ace stuff is ok

[cosmic tulip]

I’m gonna use a backpack bit to test

[thin ibex]

could try it on some sprue

to see how it sticks

[cosmic tulip]

It does say wood metal and more

But I am distrustful in the extreme and frankly irritated

[thin ibex]

i suppose if you have it, and its non returnable, why not try it

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

just test it out on some bits or sprue

[soft willow]

It should work but may be thicker than minis primers.

Always test before priming even if you know the brand well.

[bold halo]

yeah even with good brands, dud cans happen

not super often but I'm not putting $300 of plastic under the gun to find out

[unreal cosmos]

once got two in a row -D-

[runic swallow]

Honestly spend the money on some actual mini primer, you’re likely to lose detail or have it be always somewhat tacky with household primers

Also, since there’s usually color match stuff it can help simplify the paint process if you do the base color via spray

[cosmic tulip]

yeah

citadel is 18-25 bucks at my city

[pastel rampart]

If you don't mind brush-on you can go with Vallejo, it's my main primer now. Admittedly I have an airbrush but it can 100% be used with a paint brush.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/3E1vNY

[upper bluff]

It's fun to imagine Krorks as just slightly smarter orks with the resources of a galactic civilization

They're all the still same it's just they're working with real resources not just scrap

It's even cool from the perspective of them as an Old One weapon. Just hurl materials at them and they'll build their own murder devices

[rocky shale]

I mean it still works as primer. Are you trying to use white primer?

Are you spraying up close? You should be like 18" away from the model when you spray

And doing like super quick swipes

I prime in black/grey all the time with hardware store primer

[cosmic tulip]

It’s white primer

[rocky shale]

oh white primer just tends to suck for everything

Unless you're trying to paint white as your main color, I'd really advise black or grey

black primer always goes on much thinner for me, since the pigments are smaller

[soft willow]

White is a good base color for bright color schemes and is important if you plan to use contrast paints.

[rocky shale]

White primer still sucks. For contrasts I tend to just do a heavy drybrush up to the grey/white you want for contrasts/slapchop

[floral herald]

This is mostly a local climate thing but its so hot and sticky in Maryland for most of the year that I just gave up on spraycan primer

And used brush-on for a while until I got an airbrush

[rocky shale]

Yeah I only can spray like knights or terrain

[granite basin]

now you tell me, after I've thought that moving from the south to MD would somehow be any better- /lh

[floral herald]

It probably is better but it was way worse than Oregon or New Mexico!

[granite basin]

yeah, fair, i'm more used to drier weather

[thin ibex]

ireally dont think white primer sucks to be honet

[floral herald]

And while the investment is pretty steep lordy an airbrush is good for this

[thin ibex]

white can help brighter colors pop

it has its uses and applications

[floral herald]

I think sucks in this case refers to its tendency to be clumpier and have weird coverage issues darker primers don't not as something you shouldn't use

[rocky shale]

Yeah its not the color, its that white spray primer tends to apply like a wet slime

Black primer goes on perfect every time for me

[pastel rampart]

White primer is hard to get right, basically. It's why people will do black primer and then switch to inks or regular paints for zenithal.

[solemn gull]

If I’m doing anything with white or other light colours I usually use grey or a vibrant colour that I want to shadow other mid tones

[paper bluff]

One set built

[past sphinx]

Denatured alcohol or mineral spirits are invaluable

AH YEAH

[paper bluff]

Kin to squat conversion set?

[south axle]

Prospector weapon pack

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1297936392764129300/FB_IMG_1729501835412.jpg?ex=6717bcf6&is=67166b76&hm=65510f3ab2381e3baffa74502da1fe71fafd7456fc56b23916ac46aadd549267&

[thin ibex]

Legion of the Damned has been to Flavortown

[jagged dawn]

If we were better at conversions then an IG army made out of ash waste nomads would be neat

We just like their aesthetic

Or we also saw people online using them as chaos cultists for a death guard army

Honestly there’s a lot of armies they could theoretically fit into

Basically anything with a ragtag appearance

[pastel rampart]

I don't think you'd need to do much conversion work with them, honestly.

At best a weapon swap.

[jagged dawn]

We mostly mean conversions of non-infantry units

Like making a tank look more scrappy to fit the theme

[pastel rampart]

Oooh, okay yeah that's more involved.

I think you'd have to look at Ork players converting IG vehicles to get an idea there, as they're all the kings of converting stuff into looking like a driving scrapheap.

[jagged dawn]

Mhm. Yeah this idea is basically just in the vibes stage

Honestly an easier army to slot them into is like mentioned above either a chaos army (as cultists) or GSC

[pastel rampart]

Depending on how you do it they could be for both!

[jagged dawn]

Indeed

[pastel rampart]

I've occasionally been tempted with a small GSC force to paint up because I think their suits would look great in the Half-Life HEV suit colors.

[jagged dawn]

We remember there being an official cult in similar colours back in like, 8/9e? Before they changed over to detachments

We have the old codex which shows them but not on hand

[jaunty dawn]

ironheads are getting so much stuff gosh

oh they're just straight up getting their own book fair enough

hope we see a similar wave of support for ash waste nomads, they're so fun

[past sphinx]

Nomads got like 3 resin character with beasts

[spice flicker]

Would you say its worth investing in both panopholy and aura of terra on an abominant or stalker at the start of a crusade? If so which would be better on what and if only one is worth taking then which would you suggest taking?

[tired cairn]

Are those enhancements? I thought you can only buy those with RP, or do you start with that?

[past sphinx]

We need sidecars back

[rocky shale]

Panoply is better on a tyrant imo since they have 2+ armor saves

Means even like a lascannon leaves you with a 4+ save

[jaunty dawn]

find this bit in taros campaign pretty funny

[lofty warren]

i know its a bit overplayed to dunk on the invader but honestly id prefer this so much compared to that

[jaunty dawn]

like just unironically using the term toy soldiers

[lofty warren]

i continue to be befuddled by the invader

[lofty warren]

it should be law that you use this term at least once in a wargaming rulebook