Warhammer and Such

[ebon forge]

W H A T

Is this an actual mechanic in the tabletop too?

[jaunty dawn]

blood bowl?

i think so

[past sphinx]

theres something like that in munda to iirc

[mild glen]

Breacherfish are so good, you should might consider taking them in detachment that have no support for them (Kroot and Ret Cadre)

When it's guided (by the devilfish), it hits on 2+.

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KgoSo/8c52e72b78.jpg

What a steal.

[jaunty dawn]

weird

[spice flicker]

Went with the terminator list and he brought a stormsword...

[past sphinx]

that'll do it

[floral herald]

https://x.com/wizardbiscuits/status/1834280776525119697

Simon (@wizardbiscuits) on X

This is the ONLY official illustration I have ever seen that nails the whole “gigantism” description of a Space Marine’s physiognomy and I love just how utterly goofy it is.

Twitter · Sep 12, 2024, 5:19 PM

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/KinoFabino/status/1834665591258464545

FABINO (@KinoFabino) on X

@wizardbiscuits To those who keep tagging I think this is from second edition I was a little baby I had nothing to do with this.

Twitter · Sep 13, 2024, 6:48 PM

[floral herald]

lmao

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/KinoFabino/status/1843458873971323379

[cosmic tulip]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Necrontyr/s/gJkZlmThc1

[thin ibex]

Has the blood angels codex already dropped? The data on new recruit still hasn't updated

[floral herald]

It has I think

[past sphinx]

you thinkt he CSM would still use the caduceus for apothecary's?

[floral herald]

I can see it

I doubt it'd be very standardized though

[runic swallow]

Depends on the marine, some could still basically look like heresy apothecaries others could just be blood drenched maniacs with some surgical tools

[past sphinx]

somehow i trust the maniac more

[upper canopy]

are we going to get anything that's not just space marines soon

[bright dove]

We got ratlings. 😄

[uneven ember]

Evil caduceus
"First, to maximize harm"

[past sphinx]

evil fucked up caduceus thats upsidedown

[thin ibex]

We got ratlings and some sick looking ork wreckas, we got new vespid and grav scions

[sour sequoia]

anybody in here play ogor mawtribes much I'm lookin at breakin into AoS

and debating just buying like six of the big megafauna cavalry

[runic swallow]

Fun fact the caduceus with two snakes is sorta that, it’s a merchant symbol I’m told

[thin ibex]

What was the last 40k, non kill team, model release actually?

[runic swallow]

Like, it’s a different profession

[wild fog]

Kroot?

Some new agents of Imperium models i think

[arctic lynx]

Does the Mechanicum stuff count?

[bright dove]

So the model line is a bit aged looking atm

Mechanically it's very solid.

[past sphinx]

Gorgon Sturm the seed stealer

geneseed is stored in the geneballs

did not have the stabby bit had to improvise

[floral herald]

New blood angels I think

New sculpts for Lemartes and such

[uneven ember]

Symbol of Mercury
So yeah, commerce and suchlike

[wild fog]

Oh yeah, the sanguinary guard primaris

[sour sequoia]

honestly most of the older stuff doesn't even look horrible to me

probably since they were always big enough to get Some Detail

[bright dove]

Entirely fair!

[sour sequoia]

there's a ton of old skaven models I know that are like full PS1 graphics lumps

[bright dove]

The Spearhead is a very solid army start.

You get a Cannon, you get some cavalry, you get a good boss.

And Leadbelchers are just honestly good.

[sour sequoia]

how are the big big beastclaw raiders? TBH I kinda. Want to spam those lmfao

nice to have a smaller army to lavish painting time on either way after necrons & tyranids and these rats I got

[cosmic tulip]

Imagine a Tau battleforce with just

13 crisis suits

Remodeled crisis suits to match the size and detail of a ghostkeel

[bright dove]

Can't quite speak wholly from experience, but they're good Big Stompy.

[sour sequoia]

-----
Grand Alliance Destruction | Ogor Mawtribes | Beast Handlers
Drops: 4
Spell Lore - Lore of Maw-magic
Prayer Lore - Everwinter Prayers
Manifestation Lore - Morbid Conjuration
-----
Regiment 1
Frostlord on Stonehorn (360)
• Touched by the Everwinter
Stonehorn Beastriders (290)
• 1 Blood Vulture
Stonehorn Beastriders (290)
• 1 Blood Vulture
---
Regiment 2
Huskard on Stonehorn (300)
• Great Gutlord
• 1 Blood Vulture
Thundertusk Beastriders (240)
• 1 Blood Vulture
Thundertusk Beastriders (240)
• 1 Blood Vulture
---
Regiment 3
Slaughtermaster (130)
• Booming Roar
Leadbelchers (150)
-----
Faction Terrain
Mawpit```
Fuck it we ball

I should take some artefacts actually oops

[past sphinx]

WERE COOKIN NOW

[tired cairn]

TIL the vespid oversight drone can fight in combat, but the tempestuous drop troops' turret cannot. The fact that the Imperium turret will lose in melee to a Tau drone is funny to me

[south axle]

Look at this cutie of a mining equipment!

[jaunty dawn]

necromunda team love ironheads so much

[mental birch]

EGGG

[paper bluff]

You know, it's funny how apothecaries get trained by the chief apothecary but tech marines have to go to omnissiah college

[past sphinx]

Egg.

[jaunty dawn]

tbf the apothecarion is only not admech because like, space marines claim it if that makes sense

like it's not a biology vs technology thing its a

astartes specific medical science is a joint venture between admech and apothecarion and requires training from both

[south axle]

Gnarly sword-axe thingy?

[jaunty dawn]

and all the admech trained in that science already spend all their time hanging with the chapter anyway

or most anyway

[desert jay]

And there's also kinda "machines are Mars's secrets, we'll send out guys to train under you" vs "astartes implants are our secrets, but we'll graciously accept your assistance with them"

[jaunty dawn]

in many ways stuff like leviathans are rarer now specifically because of the loss of astartes' own technological traditions

which remain present in chapters of the iron hands, which is partially why admech does so much to institutionally capture them

[paper bluff]

I RECOGNIZE THAT OUTLINE

[paper bluff]

It biologis wing on Mars does mind geneseed

[desert jay]

Yeah but that's half for complicated political reasons

[paper bluff]

There's no chapter like the minotaurs for the admech is there? There was an iron hands offshoot that almost was iirc but I don't think there is

[jaunty dawn]

steel confessors

but they got caught and now they like

aren't allowed to talk to the admech without an adult present iirc

[paper bluff]

Inquisitor?

[marsh haven]

TBH the Admech already have their bespoke supersoldiers

[paper bluff]

What where the not dreadnought dreadnought guys called? Thallex?

Thallax! That was it

[spice flicker]

If only 40k could get these

[solemn gull]

Thinking of making a blood bowl team of space marines but I don’t know what team to proxy them as

Ogres maybe?

[paper bluff]

Dark angels and the gnoblars are those little cloak guys would work

[pastel rampart]

No no Dark Angels and the Gnoblars is a Tom Waits cover band.

[misty violet]

Chaos Warriors maybe?

You could have the minotaur be a Terminator and the beastmen as scouts

[solemn gull]

Oh that is good

I also think I’m going to go with the undead team for my necrons

[spice flicker]

I'm kicking myself right now, it's almost halfway through October and I just now remembered I was supposed to listen to the gloomspite novel this month for spooky month.

[solemn gull]

I really just want an excuse to convert some marines and necrons to be holding american footballs

[paper bluff]

Some interesting ideas for that

[solemn gull]

These are amazing

[past sphinx]

Looks like the csm possessed arm but its taken over a chainsword

[jaunty dawn]

agreed

quite possessed core

[past sphinx]

Maybe greater possessed as a full kit

[jaunty dawn]

: )

[paper bluff]

I think I just realized something. I hate the helbrute kit due to the stumpy legs

Cause I saw this and thought "that's cool"

[jaunty dawn]

oh that fucks

I'm trying to make a contemptor helbrute/mhara gal proxy but I procrastinate haha

[paper bluff]

Yep. It is 100% the stumpy flesh legs that ruin it

[pastel rampart]

I have this sitting unfinished for years.

IG sentinel legs and the forearms of one of the BA dreads.

[solemn gull]

Is the lore still just that chaos marines can’t maintain dreadnoughts so they all end up turning into hellbrutes

[paper bluff]

Chaos fuckery. But if I were a writer I'd say "the chaos gods do not want the unworthy to survive past death. They want their souls"

[solemn gull]

That is more palatable but idk I feel like Iron Warriors and some other CSM groups would probably still be able to keep dreads

Also in the first night lord book it’s a whole thing about a night lord dreadnought getting a rematch with a blood angel dread

(||They killed each other during the heresy||)

[past sphinx]

Helbrutes are a punishment because you leave the sarcophagus in but I could see leaving the meat box out being an effective anti contaminant

Especially if like malcarion the warsage the dude wasn't to big on breaking bread with the gods

[jaunty dawn]

helforged/maintained dreads still exist I think for sure

but individual warbands don't necessarily have access to them

whether by lack of personal ability or sufficient payment to outsource etc

while if a chapter can't maintain dreads for some reason they just won't have dreads type thing

[past sphinx]

I feel like a boxnaught is a minimum requirement to be on the warband registry

A warband can be 5 men and a boxnaught

But it can't be just 5 men

Found family and all that

[untold swallow]

lmao

I'm debating how my Chapter organizes itself

In terms of combat forces

Cuz I like the idea it's mostly kill-team type units where everyone has a specialty

[past sphinx]

Make em

Theban

Everybody gets a battlebuddy

[untold swallow]

lmao

That feels more like an, admittedly interesting, Ultramarine successor thing

These are Unforgiven

hmm

[past sphinx]

Weird arthurian structure then

[untold swallow]

Maybe there are certain companies that are more traditional, then ones that are given more kill-team like duties

or maybe those structures are separate and teams are sent out with various elements from different companies

Screw it, they keep it flexible

As flexible as a fleet based chapter that sends out formations of about 6 troops for multi-year scouting assignments can be anyway

[paper bluff]

Is there a specific culture you wanted to reference with them?

[south axle]

Krittatok for the Council of Thirteen

[paper bluff]

Cause a dark angels unforgiven/redeemed that are from the dark half of a Knight world (they crashed there on the dark side after feeling the destruction of the planet) is an idea that stuck me. Maybe they became a local legend and they're seen as helpful spirits. Chapter master Oberon. But that is an idea that hit me

[floral herald]

It’s been a bit since I read the imperial armor books it’s in but the norm for space marine kill teams (and I don’t think this is a codex thing just a common way it’s done) is

That that a captain will describe an audacious and extremely dangerous mission which needs a few marines

And the whole company will volunteer because space marines are Like That

[granite basin]

unless you're acheron in which case it's no more than three guys

[floral herald]

And then the captain picks a veteran to lead it (usually, but not necessarily a veteran sergeant) who chooses the team

So it’s very ad hoc and off the honor rolls

[upper canopy]

I CAN SPARE THREE INFINITELY RESPAWNING MEN

[floral herald]

lol

[bright dove]

Hydra Dominatus

[jaunty dawn]

for my iron hands successor I had dedicated roles for each squad member in a 6 man squad

ive kinda moved on from the idea but I liked it

was basically uh;
sergeant (terminator/artificer armour, combi plasma)
2ic (plasma pistol bolter)
gunner (plasma gun)
duelist (melee weapon)
marksman (scope etc on bolter)
squad specific specialist (varied)

[paper bluff]

.....what if the iron hands where black templars?

[past sphinx]

They'd somehow be even worse people

[untold swallow]

I've already developed the culture and etc

[cosmic tulip]

They’ll be getting a paint makeover too

The arms attach weirdly because the torsos are too wide so I cover it up with shoulder plates

[floral herald]

Well respected published academics in Frontiers of Being an Asshole

[cosmic tulip]

Armless

I remember reading a snippet in Voice of Experience about Guevesa marrying Tau

Which was really cool and only mentioned later in a Kelly book

..where the Raven Guard end up killing a ton of Guevesa lmao

It’s kinda funny being like “oh yeah their cultures are meshing isn’t that cool” and then later “SPACE MARINES”

The issue for me is so much of the cool multicultural meshing is in tiny lore snippets that aren’t easily noticed

[cosmic tulip]

..Iron Templars? Black Hands?

I’ve decided to finally give my tau lore

I just don’t fully know where to start ngl

[lofty warren]

Getting more CSMpilled

I really like how a big part of the CSM identity is like. Collapse of organizational structure leading to combined arms

So many of these freaks can shoot and stab in equal measure

[past sphinx]

WELCOME TO THE BROTHERHOOD

RIP DOWN THE IMPERIAL TYRANTS

[past sphinx]

If thats not heavy carapace armor I'm going to eat my hat

[lofty warren]

Ive always been more sympathetic to chaos marines but now im getting real into em.

[floral herald]

They’re fun

[lofty warren]

Esp since i learned of the scourged, split on if i want to paint my kt as scourged or black legion

Leaning scourged but black legion gives me an excuse to have former members of other warbands/legions

Which lets me paint hazard stripes on my heavy gunners

Im a big hazard stripe fan

[cosmic tulip]

I think I found my favorite space marine mention

In Broken Sword with the Raven guard being interrogated by Guevesa

[lofty warren]

Idk if hazard stripes would work on the scourged scheme

[past sphinx]

Hazards are just nice visual fill

[cosmic tulip]

They seem so reasonable at first and then you remember why the Tau have deemed Gueronsha marines as unfit for conversion

[past sphinx]

Apply as needed

[cosmic tulip]

5th ed did mention unnamed marines fighting for the tau once as mercenaries

[lofty warren]

Scourged are red and blue though

[cosmic tulip]

It was cool!

[cosmic tulip]

Beautiful

[lofty warren]

Hazard might clash

[past sphinx]

One might argue thats the idea

[lofty warren]

Hm

Probably worth testing

Scourged it is

Fucked on how im going to paint their symbol but thats a problem for later

[past sphinx]

Visual fill

[jaunty dawn]

hggggggg new underworlds looks so baaaaaaad

[cosmic tulip]

Oh?

[lofty warren]

Snow bases feel like they just fit csm

Esp black legion, but csm in general

Idk if thats just warhammer fantasy bleeding into my brain

[past sphinx]

The schemes for csn generally go well with white contrast

[floral herald]

Yeah

I am also looking at tundra/snow/ice bases for Black Legion

[lofty warren]

Man why do there have to be two schemes for csm i like

Very annoying

[paper bluff]

Can I just honestly say I do love that the iron warrior have hazard stripes on their armor? Also it might actually be due to them being an ancient Terran symbol of danger

[lofty warren]

Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of most of the iron warriors deal but i fuck hard with the hazard stripes

[past sphinx]

I love the disambiguation of hazards in the far future from a specific kind of danger to a general kind of "this thing is dangerous"

[jagged dawn]

Hmm, we need to decide what to paint our chaos knights

[floral herald]

I used Space Marine 2 to iterate Blacklegionified schemes for a bunch of guys

[lofty warren]

Hmm

[jagged dawn]

Which is easier said than done because the most of a particular colour we have is stuff like genestealer purple and some shades of blue/red

[paper bluff]

this but chaos-y?

[jagged dawn]

Don’t know

In general we have a lot of darker colours

[floral herald]

Chaos Knights are generally more detail encrusted than Imperial Knights so I think you can get pretty far with a basic background color for the details to pop against

These all use flat pretty basic tones to pop the details against

Usually with stencils or rust or something to break em up a little

[hybrid oyster]

Pick a God and pick a color is what I'd probs do

[jagged dawn]

Don’t quite know why we’re debating colour since the war dogs we have aren’t even fully assembled because of our insistence on magnetizing (and some procrastination)

[lofty warren]

Chaos knights are so much cooler than their loyalist counterparts

[cosmic tulip]

The final boss of knights: magnetizing

[jagged dawn]

We moved this summer and all our magnetizing tools got stuck in a storage container for a couple months

[floral herald]

I love magnetizing stuff

[lofty warren]

And of course, another interesting example of chaos's informal combined arms doctrine

[floral herald]

Genuinely one of my favorite hobby aspects

[lofty warren]

Magnets are fun. i havent magnetized weapons yet

But ive been doing bases

As my minis case is a toolbox

[jagged dawn]

We had the magnets themselves mind you, but no tools to actually drill and install them

[rocky shale]

I love magnetizing big things

Tiny magnets are agony

[cosmic tulip]

I can’t wait to get a devilfish

I have nearly 1500 points of eldar

And tbh I do not want more I wanna focus on my tau

[jagged dawn]

We’re doing…arm weapons, auxiliary weapon (top mount) and possibly the connection point between legs and torso so they can swivel

[pulsar cairn]

Does the mechanicum have their own titans and knights? i ask cause they are the ones who make them are they not?

[floral herald]

A hobby drill is cheap and not that scary

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[floral herald]

Titans are a Mechanicus thing, some knights are also directly from them but its not the norm

[pulsar cairn]

[jagged dawn]

Oh we know, we have drills but as mentioned they were in a storage container while we moved houses

[floral herald]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[pulsar cairn]

I like your spooky pfp Cyan

[floral herald]

thanks

[jagged dawn]

And when we say “in a storage container” we mean packed away in one of ~20 odd boxes in a big shipping container that was literally full. You had to step over things just to reach past the first few feet

[lofty warren]

I love my pin vice

I keep making ill-concieved holes in things

[valid brook]

😌👌 drilling holes

😤🤚 inserting magnets

[jagged dawn]

Yeah but have you considered we can stick some keys to the top of our knight if it’s magnetized?

[cosmic tulip]

Kinda wanna write my tau having first contact with my friends necrons

Dead men walking but Tau and the indomitable human spirit and plasma sword crisis suits

[paper bluff]

Indomitable Tau spirit

Have an earth caste travelling with the suit team way too enamored with the whole thing would be funny IMO

[cosmic tulip]

I was going to do it like titanfall kinda

Human pilot with a plasma blade against necrons

First contact goes miserably wrong because my friends necrons are expansionist and specifically use flayed ones en masse

[paper bluff]

Oh! The meat lures

To connect with the chaos knight talk, I am reminded of how there's a chaos knight that leaves so much gore behind himself that there's packs of flayed ones that follow after

[untold swallow]

I do wish there were some switch-hitter Crisis Suits

[jaunty dawn]

that's one reason I liked fusion blades

cause they weren't full on melee weapons

they were just shooting in melee basically

[cosmic tulip]

Fusion blades and fists are now locked behind crusade weapons

There’s a rumor of a frontline auxiliary suit troop for 11th but it’s unsubstantiated

[untold swallow]

How tall are kin compared to humans, anyways?

[cosmic tulip]

Average human is 5ft 7

Kin are 4ft 7 or 5

[untold swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-michael-scott-gif-10951187

[ebon forge]

I felt the same thing

[paper bluff]

Are those colours they don't make any more?

You know, when is culture hustle going to get into the mini paints market

[ebon forge]

It's half Flash Git on a full bottle of Death GUard green
So you have 'Ork Skin for an entire army'

[untold swallow]

No but mixing in the pot is

Fucking cursed XD

[tardy vault]

god GW pots really are the worst

[jaunty dawn]

honestly if I had a mix I wanted to use for an entire army I'd do the same

although I'd probably decant both into a dropper bottle if I was going to that effort

gw used to sell empty pots for it even

[untold swallow]

God I am so excited for my Wrath and Glory game

Istvaanist/Xanthist Inquisitor as the players' boss lol

[paper bluff]

What's their shtick?

[untold swallow]

The Inquisitor took his retinue, including the players, to the other side of the Great Rift as hangers-on to the fleet of three Rogue Trader Houses that were charged with crossing it in that one novel series to look for ways to either let the light of the Astronomican pierce the Rift or to create something analogous to it on that side

His investigations have led him to the agri-world of Epna Tertia, where he believes the secret to doing so lies. He tasks the players as one of his teams investigating the planet, where through investigations of archives, ancient ruins, etc etc, they find the location the Inquisitor is looking for; a fabled information repository said to be guarded by a great spirit. Upon reaching this location the Inquisitor and players realize this individual is a Man of Iron who is also the repository itself. The Inquisitor gets his answer, which he does not share with the players as he feels they don't need to know, they just need to do their jobs.

(The answer is sacrificing an entire planet to a Navigator)

[south axle]

Back in my day GWs sold empty pots for you to mix in

[paper bluff]

I meant the istvaanist part

[untold swallow]

oh

sorry lol

Istvaanists are on some social darwinism shit

where they actively provoke war and internal strife to 'make the Imperium stronger'

[lofty warren]

I agree that the imperium should do more wars and internal strife

[paper bluff]

Just a little extra as a treat

[lofty warren]

that last bit doesn't really matter

[untold swallow]

Oh the planet they're on also has a genestealer cult

[thin ibex]

i think the thing is that narratively, there is all kinda of imperium on imperium conflict

[untold swallow]

And the inquisitor is giving them intel to make the local defense force more and more desperate for help from the Inquisitor

Which he can levy into information

[paper bluff]

Why not throw a nurgle cult of that rain maker great unclean one

[thin ibex]

The thing is, the imperium is so commonly sabotaging itself that most rebellions can't take off effectively

[untold swallow]

cuz that's less interesting to me for this scenario

[jaunty dawn]

no for real dark heresy (in w&g but premise wise) where every faction is legitimate imperials sounds great

[paper bluff]

I wanted to run a game with an eye of the emperor patron. Mostly cause I love the custodes and find them more interesting than inquisitors

[past sphinx]

if hes a good eye you wouldnt even know he was an eye

real "im behind 17 proxies" mfers

[lofty warren]

tangential thought

whats the 40k equivalent of an ak-47. like a gun or weapon that chaos (as the opposition power) would send to rebels to arm them to fuck over the imperium

or the imperial version i suppose

for fucking over other imperials

[rocky shale]

Generic autogun or stubber

[past sphinx]

standard autogun

[lofty warren]

bah. dull

a shame theres not much room for that style of subversion in 40k fiction

war too hot

GW give me dark mechanicus equivalent of stinger missiles

[cosmic tulip]

Edits made

Time to prime

[untold swallow]

I wonder if someone's made Ezekiel out of a phobos librarian...

Indeed it has been done lol

https://youtu.be/GjpebSbx41w

Oh mainly Mephiston, whoops

[cosmic tulip]

It’s 97f rn

Can I prime? Do I wait?

[past sphinx]

worry more about humidity

that still pretty warm but if its low humidity ur fine

[past sphinx]

Mining lasers are close range lascannons, melta weapons jury rigged from mining equipment as well

bolt pistols are king

infact might be the only antitank a rebel squad can be issued

[granite basin]

honestly see what you can't crib from gsc because those guys tend to repurpose industrial equipment

[uneven ember]

The M35 lasgun is by far the galaxy's single most popular small arm. An elegantly simple four kilo energy weapon, it doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It will shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy even a child can use it, and they do.

[past sphinx]

and shotguns

fuckloads of shotguns

all kinds

combat shotguns from enforcerers and arbites and civilian shotguns

alright does he need anything else fellow enlightened

[floral herald]

I don't think they're named but I can easily imagine chaos forge worlds bringing weapons into the imperium

I think in 40k most planets have domestic weapons production so importing them isn't usually needed

[past sphinx]

necromunda produces SO MANY GUNS that street gangs can get goddamn multimeltas and plasmacannons

[floral herald]

I think Necromunda is a fairly exceptional case but also yeah

There's street a lot of gangs in the underhive which pack way more heat than an imperial guard platoon

[lofty warren]

true

[floral herald]

There's I think an autogun pattern in Dark Heresy which a planet in a civil war makes and they've made it all over the sector as illegal weapons

[lofty warren]

now thats juicy

[floral herald]

Misremembered it a little but here it is

Imported for a civil war but they're kind of everywhere now

It's also one of the best weapons in Dark Heresy 1e

Unless you're very rich

[lofty warren]

sounds nice and thumpy

[floral herald]

Yeah

I kinda want something like it in Darktide

Giant autogun with very good damage and full auto but a poor mag size

[past sphinx]

1d10+4 is meaty

[floral herald]

And being S/2/6 makes it unusually cost efficient for using fancier ammo

https://fixupx.com/BitsHammer/status/1843502557521686613
back the fuck off Tyranids I'm balling here

[jagged dawn]

It will be a cold day in hell before we willingly paint a face when there are helmet options available

[runic swallow]

How will you make sure your sergeants are Special Boys/Girls tho

[floral herald]

Ultramarine naughty boy helmets ofc

[bright dove]

Special helmet

[runic swallow]

I do love that bit of lore, how it went from a “look at the fuckup” to “oh no, we really need an easy way for leadership identification without comms”

[silk verge]

i finally got my hands on these bastards

[runic swallow]

Kaserkin!

Nice!

[cosmic tulip]

I switched the chain sword to plasma gun because the guevesa got promoted

[jaunty dawn]

stormtroopers akshly

[cosmic tulip]

They're close quarters shock troops more heavily armored than the kroot

[runic swallow]

Outed as a fake fan, utterly destroyed

[jaunty dawn]

im sorry I had to do this

I love them so muuuchh

[silk verge]

theyre the old inquisitorial stormtroopers

love these sculpts so much ive been trying to get a hold of a hold squad for so long

theyre finecast however so they gotta sit in the tub of shame for a while

[jaunty dawn]

I'd call them og but they're beaten by some really boring 2e models :(

[silk verge]

oh the beret guys?

i love them too

need me some

[jaunty dawn]

that's valid

[floral herald]

These guys?

[jaunty dawn]

I just love the 3e ones so much

[silk verge]

yeah thats them!

[jaunty dawn]

okay that squad looks better than I remember

[floral herald]

The posing is weirdly reminiscent of the Aquilons

[jaunty dawn]

I'd be unsurprised if they went back and took inspiration from all previous iterations

I think these pictures are less flattering

[silk verge]

god these guys are so british

its oozing off of them

[jaunty dawn]

but uniform just can't compete with the 3e ones for me

plus no silly little helmetss

[silk verge]

true

[floral herald]

I think putting them at a 3/4th view helps the sculpts a LOT vs head on

[jaunty dawn]

mmm

[valid brook]

3e stormies my beloved

[jaunty dawn]

humbly bumps

[silk verge]

idk how im gonna paint em yet

its really tempting to do the inquisition goon scheme

[jaunty dawn]

the red and black fucks

says the word bearer player

[silk verge]

LMAO

[floral herald]

I'm considering a kind of Helldivers-y black and yellow for my Aquilons

[jaunty dawn]

I'm gonna go snow camo/basing

based on the elysians from mymeara

[floral herald]

I can't keep doing that haha

I'm already doing snow/ice space marines

[jaunty dawn]

haahah valid

[silk verge]

your entire showcase SHALL be snowy bases

FOREVER

[floral herald]

no no I'm doing ship deck basing for like half my kill teams

[jaunty dawn]

I keep doing it for small projects but I think it's my favourite elysian showing so I'll be glad to give it a slightly bigger thing

or well my van saar are dust camo/dust base but its. pretty similar colour wise

vespid are gonna be my parent's sept so white too :)

[cosmic tulip]

Oh

I gotta repaint my fire warriors teal along with my guevesa

[floral herald]

I need to figure out how I'm gonna paint my bugges

[cosmic tulip]

My fire warriors are blue red and silver and my guevesa are blue and black

[floral herald]

I honestly like the studio orange on white

[cosmic tulip]

Maybe I could keep the guevesa blue to symbolize a different designation?

I don’t wanna keep them a different color fully that would be against my sensibilities to integrate them fully

Maybe blue and teal

[floral herald]

I wouldn't sweat colors too much for Tau since they're camouflage likers anyway

[cosmic tulip]

I know

I’m just split between uniformity and showing the different infantry groups

[marsh haven]

https://x.com/KarltheGoblin/status/1843405806341107975

Karl Goblington (@KarltheGoblin) on X

I feel like instead of assassinating someone, Chaos Dwarfs would just ruin another Chaos Dwarfs vernier caliper.

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 9:39 PM

[thin ibex]

The big las cutter knight isn't meta right?

[upper bluff]

Only like 2 knights are meta

But that one isn't actually that bad

Having solid melee and ranged is great

[soft willow]

The Cerastus Atropos?

Or the other one?

[thin ibex]

oh the other one the mentor one

[soft willow]

Preceptor, and they’re okay.

Canis is pretty much flat better for only 15-20 points more though

And technically the same Knight type.

[thin ibex]

I like the idea of one being the "old mentor knight" archetype in a crusade

[past sphinx]

Okay last picture

I think he's ready

[faint galleon]

put myself into a position where I had to carve a sleeved arm into no-sleeve arm

I think, passable, specially once I stick a pouch or something on

[thin ibex]

I kinda really want those wreckas when they come out

[upper canopy]

https://x.com/ABAtilus/status/1843368636435910702 @brittle salmon

ABAtilus (@ABAtilus) on X

A Lamenter's priority target

#warhammer40k #spacemarine

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 7:11 PM

[brittle salmon]

not shown: the lamenter landing that shot and 360'ing the lictor in return

[mild glen]

Lamenters are cooler than Salamanders. Fite Me.

[paper bluff]

I gave my valerian the biker helm to avoid painting face and also i don't like it

[paper bluff]

I should take a pic of him when I get home

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/sister_ames/status/1843623520548597870

エイミー (amy) ⚢ (@sister_ames) on X

bookish eldritch gremlin princessss...... i love you so

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 12:04 PM

[upper bluff]

Tech Heresy stays on top

[spice flicker]

What army would you say counters thousands sons the hardest?

[paper bluff]

Talons of the emperor adeptus custodes. You have a feel no pain against mortal (devastating) wounds and bonuses against psyker units with the sisters

[upper bluff]

If you want something that isn't explicitly anti psyker, anything that can kill space marines good

Thousand Sons are just a dozen rubrics and Magnus

If you can kill T4 W2 easily they're going to lose a lot of their Cabal points and get less magic

[cosmic tulip]

Watching the tithes

And the imperium is.. kinda cool?

I dunno Tyrranids and Orks are scary

At least the custodes are cool

I liked the kasrkins fighting competently

[paper bluff]

The vibes and style with the imperium is immaculate. Just when you think specifics so things start plummeting downhill

[upper canopy]

The imperium is very cool and also sucks and anyone who thinks they're too cool is the enemy

Welcome to riding the mechanical bull that is liking 40k

[pine matrix]

This reminded me, I read the Valdor book recently and I actually appreciated (spoilers for the ending) ||that Valdor bluntly states that the Imperial law is just paper that Emps and the custodes will ignore|| like yeah, this whole thing was rotten from the start

[untold swallow]

You know...

Have we seen a marine with a beret?

[paper bluff]

That is a great book about the early imperium ||also dang it makes me want a unification wars series just due to how bombastic the thunder warrriors would be||

[pine matrix]

||Thunder warriors do rule||

[paper bluff]

If you have interest in the minds of the custodes I very much recommend the valdor book

[floral herald]

No I don’t think so

[cosmic tulip]

https://youtu.be/cpo2dOQHRK0?si=MA5e672disMp8DGF

[valid brook]

oh Hell Yeah

carving up plastic to make Something New is one of my favorite kinds of conversion tbh

[brittle edge]

||IIRC there was one Thunder Warrior who got involved in the Siege of Terra, and killed a few Suped Up Chaos Marines almost effortlessly||

||Notably these marines just took down a Custodes||

[pine matrix]

||Damn! I knew there's one in the outcast dead (I only got so far until I hit the Canon Fuck Up), is it the same guy to a different one?||

[brittle edge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/m4bqah/does_anyone_have_the_excerpt_from_the_novel_where/

First comment

It's also worth noting the Thunder Warrior is dying even before this

Due to whatever hyper-cancer TW develop or something

[past sphinx]

i really just wanna see thunder warriors rip some astartes in half

[runic swallow]

Iirc there was a thunder warrior in Pariah?

Or a guy implied to maybe be one

[paper bluff]

They were all kinda slap-dash enhanced and had extra experimental organs put in there and usually in ages above the transplant age

[brittle edge]

Yeah

They were scarier than even custodes but broke down over time

[paper bluff]

But damned if they weren't human

[brittle edge]

This is the book with the ||Minotaur Chapter Master in it right?||

||Who Valdor, a Hero even by Custodes standards, who fought greater daemons, was hesitant to fight||

[paper bluff]

You're getting the current guy and the OG confused

[brittle edge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/hnetdg/excerpt_regents_shadow_a_custodes_appraisal_of/

Ah, got it

Still, it's a good excerpt

I was thinking of Valerian, not Valdor

[paper bluff]

Or this guy confused with

This guy

[brittle edge]

have encountered many formidable warriors in my time. Valoris, of course, was reckoned the greatest alive in the Imperium save the primarch himself. And yet, just there, in that place, I can say without hesitation that Asterion Moloc, Chapter Master of the Minotaurs, exuded the most powerful stench of violence I had ever been in the presence of.

Jagganoth type beat

Also I'm reminded of my Problematic Horus Heresy Fave, Perturabo

[paper bluff]

Perty originally radiated contempt for any one less competent than him

You know, if there ever was a traitor primarch I'd like to see redeemed it would be him

[past sphinx]

wait a goddamn second

thats 3 space romes

perty, gorilla and angron

[brittle edge]

Same

Plus I love the Iron Warriors

[paper bluff]

The iron warriors had the largest number of loyalists iirc

[past sphinx]

the correct answer is one already has been

word bearers sweep

[brittle edge]

The Anchorite?

[paper bluff]

Now the redemption of lorgar would be fucking insane but ooooh would that be something to see

[past sphinx]

lorgar did nothing wrong

[brittle edge]

(Until he did)

[past sphinx]

he was right the whole time

about both things

[paper bluff]

Lorgar is a traitor primarch that i could see having a moment like Morty in the plague wars book with the emperor and then having a storyline of redemption

[runic swallow]

Iron Warriors are probably the easiest to have prevented from going traitor just by the concept of “being rotated from the front every once and a while”

[paper bluff]

And then the word bears have to claim that he is still in the tower meditating

[tired cairn]

Lorgar anti-theist arc: "wow, actually all these gods suck. Let's not worship any of them"

[runic swallow]

Like, just say “good job, now do some fortification work for a year”

Basic morale maintenance shit

[brittle edge]

The Iron Warriors were the only reason the Heresy got as far as it did

Cause they actually had logistics

[runic swallow]

Yep

[brittle edge]

Also ignoring that I'm wondering how brutal the Siege of Terra would have been if Perty didn't turn traitor and somehow worked with Dorn on the defenses

[runic swallow]

Well, assuming they didn’t kill each other with a T-square, it probably wouldn’t have been breached

[tired cairn]

The 40k universe sure would be different if the Emperor had any emotional intelligence

[runic swallow]

And as mentioned, the Heresy probably peters out about halfway through when they fall apart because no one was keeping the supply train intact

[paper bluff]

Imagine either Dorn and Perty saying sorry

[runic swallow]

Inconceivable

[paper bluff]

Huron blackheart basically remarks on that in his recent book

[runic swallow]

Though, maybe if they don’t kill each other with a spirit level, they get in a “you love structural reinforcements? So do I! You love shipping manifests? Me too! I guess we’re best friends!” situation

[ebon forge]

Since when Peppino joined the chaos dwarfs?

[floral herald]

I think the legions maintained their logistical capacity for most of the heresy

Though the rate of munitions consumption was really unsustainable anyway

[brittle edge]

Imagine a Dorn/Pert Friendship fortress

Not even the Beast could breach it

[paper bluff]

You are really really really glossing over the world eaters and emp children

[finite compass]

I imagine the World Eaters were being heavily supported by the Word Bearers in that case

[runic swallow]

I guess I more mean it in a sense of the IW and to a degree the SoH being the only guys in the room at a certain point still doing paperwork and inventories on a large scale

[floral herald]

Those didn’t go off the deep end (or further off it anyway) until like the invasion of Sol

[runic swallow]

Like, doing supply clerk stuff as well as securing routes of supply

[finite compass]

There were plenty of Forge Worlds and the like that went traitor

ANd even then there would have been hickups

like the entire reason Mk. V armor exists

[brittle edge]

I also recall Perturabo making a set of Super-Power Armor to beat up Angron and bring him back in line

It worked

[finite compass]

He also beat up Fulgrim with a toy warhound

[brittle edge]

(Angron also deserved better but it's far too late for him)

Also that yeah

[finite compass]

Fulgrim TOTALLY deserved it, however.

[brittle edge]

Yep

[tired cairn]

40k has the equivalent of the hulk buster suit?

[brittle edge]

Sorta

It was made specifically to do that job

[desert jay]

So like the Hulk Buster made specifically to beat up Hulk

[brittle edge]

Yeah

Granted I recall Perturabo also succeeding because he ultimately managed to Talk Angron Down (between punches)

[pine matrix]

God what I wouldn't give for 1) chaos dwarves becoming confirmed Canon in AoS and 2) a book from the PoV of a Chaos Dorf. Real political bastard hours

[pine matrix]

I need to get back to my Lugft primaris conversion

[ebon forge]

Love his drip
but he fucked up

[finite compass]

At least we have Chorfs in Blood Bowl

[past sphinx]

im having a grand old time with this lad

[lofty warren]

havoc bits?

[pastel rampart]

I'd really like to have chorfs in AoS but I think it'd be fair if GW went and reinforced the existing dwarf armies first.

[past sphinx]

yup, used the power pack for the bulk, all the arms needed the space

[lofty warren]

i knew they were cross compatible but good to see it confirmed

[pine matrix]

Fair

[pastel rampart]

Fyreslayers haven't gotten anything in years, same with Kharadons, and base CoS dwarves are more a neglected afterthought.

[upper bluff]

Aren't chaos dwarves hinted at in the core rulebook for 4th edition?

[pastel rampart]

If you're going to introduce a fourth dwarf army, even a chaos-themed one, maaaaaaybe shore up the other 2 to 3.

[past sphinx]

any single release could be Chorfs

its never not chorfs

always lurking

or Chauts

[upper bluff]

I thought there was like little flavor bits about Chaos and Gunpowder

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120201141_HoHGroup4.jpg They have a Warcry warband featuring exactly zero (0) chorfs.

[past sphinx]

genuinely the funniest fucking thing i had seen that year for GW

a "emperors children dataslate" level move

[floral herald]

The HoH are a fun ass team

But it’s really funny

[tired cairn]

For a while, Warband was just chaos cultists right?

Though I guess dwarves could also be chaos cultists lol

[paper bluff]

The emp children perhaps not. The world eaters though were hanging dudes in powered off terminator from the ceiling

The children tho during sol... the were making hyper meth from civilians

[jaunty dawn]

theres a dwarf in the iron golems

[tired cairn]

Oh lol

[mystic saddle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imfLlV0iYEc

[past sphinx]

well where are YOU getting your hyper meth?

[mystic saddle]

@final tide for some reason this makes me think of you super hard

especially with the 'strength of the bad moon' meter to the left for the whole video

[thin ibex]

From the BRRT sept

Of the sixth sphere expansion

Guided tiger shark on round 3 vomits out a silly amount of fire power

Against weaker targets of course

I suspect montka would actually work better for lethal hits

[floral herald]

lol for a funny typo the Spanish app version of the Legionary Shrivetalon has 2 more wounds than the English one

[tired cairn]

You'd think you'd do some computer magic to a source of truth to get different language versions out. At least for numbers. But I guess that's pretty uncommon (even at software companies)

[dense idol]

are assembly instructions for kits typically available anywhere online?

i'm going to split this hivestorm box with a friend and i want him to be able to assemble and paint his aquilons at his own pace

[tired cairn]

Yeah. There is even a subreddit for it

You might also be able to split (most of) the assembly book

Also, see the highlighted post: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerInstructions/

[dense idol]

thank you, very cool

[unreal cosmos]

The wings give a real menacing profile when they're grouped up

I'm glad the KT has made Stingwings feel more elite. Like there's an "oh shit they brought those guys" vibe.

[untold swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_plXgxVzLg8?feature=share

[floral herald]

Kinda neat question

[paper bluff]

Individually? Born as an eldar not a bad

[thin ibex]

we dont know about enough planets tbh

[floral herald]

Downside: you’re statistically most likely to be non-trueborn drukhari

[thin ibex]

i thin aeldari live incredibly regimented, controlled lifestyles most o the time; and yeah drukhari live in like murder/torture society

[paper bluff]

Choose the planet tho? Maiden world time

However! Individual happiness? That's orks all day baby

[thin ibex]

If i pick Tau, im probably going to live a short, purposeful life without much individual pursuit

[floral herald]

The floor for Tau is relatively high

[upper canopy]

Void Whale

[thin ibex]

yeah, i think tau is probably my best bet

[paper bluff]

And if you have to be born, kin is off the table

[thin ibex]

what if i pick Great Old One

[cosmic tulip]

Tau seem pretty chill

Kin is hyper capitalist

[thin ibex]

am i gonna get wrecked by an enslaver immediatly?

[cosmic tulip]

Eldar.. I’d crack under pressure

[paper bluff]

Not too different than living in thw US now lol. Jk jk but

[floral herald]

Kin isn’t bad call

[untold swallow]

I think born is being used in the meme more generally, so kin are on the table

and I would be a Kin lol

[thin ibex]

My read is that Tau are gonna provide good quality of life and an easily understood path to contribute to society; but I'm also going to be extremely surveilled and thought/word policed. Still not something I would be unable to tolerate comparatively

[floral herald]

Chadly option is Tyranid

[paper bluff]

Could I pick daemon?

[floral herald]

Live a thousand lives of perfect moral purpose

[thin ibex]

like if i say the wrong things to the wrong people in the Empire, I'm gonna get black bagged

[untold swallow]

Also, a hill I'm gonna die on

The Leagues are not hypercapitalist

they're hypermaterialist

[hybrid oyster]

What about being born as a dark age AI.

[paper bluff]

But can we all agree, human is the worst option?

[untold swallow]

human is generally the worst option, aye

[paper bluff]

That would be a "new" votann

[floral herald]

No, grot is

[paper bluff]

That happened iirc

[hybrid oyster]

You can pick the planet for human. So honestly not the worst.

[bright dove]

Time to become one of the Boyz baby!

[thin ibex]

if youre born on the right world in the imperium theres a moderate chance that you see no war for your lifetime

[pulsar cairn]

Being a grot sucks yeah

[floral herald]

Where is that coming from?

[thin ibex]

original question says you can pick the planet

[floral herald]

It just says species though

[thin ibex]

its the very last line

"you can choose the planet"

[floral herald]

Oh yeah ignore than imo

[pulsar cairn]

da best option is Ork

[floral herald]

I posted the question without reading it and wouldn’t have if I had read that

[tardy vault]

I like how it seems to imply that a random chance of being a psyker is a good thing

[floral herald]

Yeah haha

[tardy vault]

Black Ships are literal torture

and that assumes they get you and your soul isn't instead some demon's chew toy because you listened to the whispers too closely

[untold swallow]

well depending on species it is a good thing

Grimnyr and the various kinds of Aeldari psykers are respected individuals

And if you're a psycho who picks ork

There are worse things than being a weirdboy

[soft willow]

Alive for fifteen minutes as a borer worm fired from a deathspitter.

[thin ibex]

be the only man of iron born in m42

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/RookieBrushes/status/1844053603407012115

Rookie Brushes (@RookieBrushes) on X

I'm so excited to paint a mini for this base.

Twitter · Oct 9, 2024, 4:33 PM

[bright dove]

I am getting the Ork brain if I have to live in 40k

[untold swallow]

I'd pick kin, eldar, or if I somehow become a gambler, a human

Cuz I wanna see if I can hit the probability lotto and become a Librarian

(ignoring the gender restriction cuz that's fucking dumb)

[thin ibex]

My picks are Tau, Kin, Kroot, Ork maybe

[desert jay]

Can I pick C'tan?

[floral herald]

That’s a species

[soft willow]

Watcher in the Dark.

Just a little guy, doing a mysterious thing, sometimes carrying a sword around for a Knight-bro.

[cosmic tulip]

Human on a Tau planet is chill

[pine matrix]

There is something appealing about being a Kin, getting to live with the benefits of DoAT tech and a strong sense of community

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[pine matrix]

But I got the impression they're kinda reserved as a people, even more so than like fantasy dwarves

Can't imagine Kin having raucous ale quaffing

[floral herald]

They’re like really incredibly stiff about efficiency

Can’t get a big ethanol ration unless you prove you won’t get sufficiently drunk without it I bet

[past sphinx]

squats seem do be doing well on necromunda

[floral herald]

Filed in triplicate and signed off by your theyn

[past sphinx]

theyve got goddamn terminator armor still

sorry pretty sure its better actually, they fought emps to a standstill

[pine matrix]

Yeah...maybe I'd just go for Tau on the tau homeworld and just hope I don't get assigned Fire Caste to get murdered on the frontier

[untold swallow]

see this is actually a boon for me

[cosmic tulip]

Also

[untold swallow]

As I am a massive lightweight

[cosmic tulip]

Voice of Experience notes tau and humans can get married and adopt kids

And most Fire Caste guys get rotated out

Or they retire after a few years of service and are sent specifically to the nicest worlds in the Empire

I don’t remember how many years but last I checked it was 5-8 depending

[pine matrix]

Oh yeah Tau have shorter lives than humans right?

[cosmic tulip]

They live 40-50 years

Humans live 70

[pine matrix]

Word, human on a Tau core world sounds like the move

[cosmic tulip]

(There’s also a funnily grim statistic—of the Guevesa in Voice of Experience, dozens of theme and their families die in DROVES when Raven Guard attack)

[pine matrix]

Are there any Tau PoV novels that show what it's like to live on a Tau world? It'd be neat to have a "path of the Eldar" kinda exploration of what life is like there

[cosmic tulip]

So.. there are!

But they’re by Phil Kelly and light on the worldbuilding

And big on the action and they introduced the mind control trope and a bunch of stupid stuff

[pine matrix]

Laaaame

[cosmic tulip]

There is one that’s like Path of the Eldar though!

Broken Sword, by JC Stearns

Human pov and it’s a buddy cop detective story

[pine matrix]

Oh that sounds like fun

[floral herald]

The mind control trope is older than those books fwiw

[cosmic tulip]

Highly recommend it it’s amazing

[cosmic tulip]

Xenology

Also most of the other smaller tau snippets are from older codexes

They’re hard to compile and grab especially as a good deal of the short stories are out of print

[finite compass]

Xenology is also the textbook definition of 'unreliable narrator'

Which tends to get missed

[floral herald]

It’s gotta be people who just read extracts or something

[upper bluff]

Yeah, which honestly I can't blame anyone for taking a 40k more snippet out to context

Like it's not really their fault they haven't read this book from 15 years ago which is #2 in a 5 book series

[floral herald]

Hey! Xenology is standalone and 19 years old

I really like the "background books" GW puts out from time to time

The Sabbat Worlds Crusade was also goated

[paper bluff]

To digress, I talked about my Valerian earlier and how I used a bike helmet

[silk verge]

test man

[finite compass]

I really regret not getting the full edition of Liber Chaotica

I just have the Tzeentch one

[cosmic tulip]

Is that a guard model?

[silk verge]

3rd ed stormtrooper

[cosmic tulip]

Oh shit

[solemn gull]

classic model I want to get a squad of them so bad some day

[lofty warren]

are daemons a species

[floral herald]

idk honestly

Enslavers probably are

[pulsar cairn]

Arent slavers super scary?

[floral herald]

yes

[tired cairn]

They sure are incredibly annoying early game in Gladius

[pastel rampart]

I feel lucky I got 3 of them for free and the Khorne one only set me back like $30.

I still want the Liber Chaotica collection that's got the bonus Undivided section.

https://x.com/Ony01Planarcor/status/1844024452792930443

OnyØ1 (@Ony01Planarcor) on X

heresy or not?

Twitter · Oct 9, 2024, 2:37 PM

[granite basin]

the techpriest on the right is me

[marsh haven]

Bolter ammo is caseless so it should avoid one of the issues of bullpups

[runic swallow]

It’s not, it has a primer charge in a case, the rocket takes over later

Basically caseless sounded cool to GW in the 80s but they also really, really wanted a cool rain of brass from stuff in art or on the ground around miniatures

[cosmic tulip]

YELLOWJACKETS!

[past sphinx]

okay hear me out the emperors children codex with launch with chaos bikers and doom rider as an HQ choice

they both badly need a new kit AND not that many HQ's for hair metal

[pastel rampart]

Werkin' on a daemon prince.

Not sure if I should add more burning runes onto the model or just leave it as-is.

[cosmic tulip]

Question for anyone who’s used rustoleum primer

How long does it take to dry? Can says 30 minutes but I’m unsure

[pastel rampart]

Depends on ambient humidity and overall temp.

Dries faster in warm temps, will absolutely get fucked up results if its too humid out.

Too cold and it can also mess with things but that's not really an issue where you live.

Always shake the absolute living shit out of it, test it on some spare sprue or plastic or cardboard or whatever first to see if it's coming out fine. If the can says 30 minutes, then ideal situations it'll dry that fast but when I used it I'd wait like an hour or so.

[uneven ember]

Maybe something on the torso?
It looks dope, just think that might pop a but there

[floral herald]

I might put that burning look on the feet

But I like the look

[pastel rampart]

Hm yeah might do the hooves.

But I also realized I basically gave him a womb tattoo so I think I'm done putting runes on him out of an abundance of caution.

[floral herald]

tramp stamp rune

[pastel rampart]

"Be'lakor was here"

[uneven ember]

I should paint Escher with tramp stamps
"war markings"

[pastel rampart]

Make it Goliaths instead

[floral herald]

no reason you can't do both

[cosmic tulip]

https://www.tumblr.com/katjapetersart/749672530074337280/kroot-kruppy-a-painting-for-a-friend?source=share

[runic swallow]

Personally I think more runes would be cool

[pastel rampart]

Right now I'm painting the hooves in that same burning set of colors and I'm finding it balances things out well.

[floral herald]

I'm curious how that'll look!

[rocky shale]

It's usually dry in an hour but doesn't cure for like a day

[past sphinx]

that goat man has a womb rune

good for them

[pastel rampart]

He's gonna match a bunch of beastmen so it's weirdly appropriate, hah.

[runic swallow]

If you wanna do more sigils, could do one on each pec, and a big one one the back (or pattern of smaller ones)

[pastel rampart]

I'm debating on it. Probably gonna sleep on it for now, not like I'm in a hurry.

Might lay down the flock first and see how that looks from there too, see if it needs anything else.

[runic swallow]

I think the base looks fine personally, but that’s just me

[pastel rampart]

I'm going for a late fall forest look to the base so leaving it just brown and grey would look a bit boring.

Plus it hides some minor imperfections, hah.

[runic swallow]

Ah, fair

[past sphinx]

are you gonna airbrush some black around the hooves?

[runic swallow]

Oooh, that’s a cool idea

[pastel rampart]

I would if I was that precise with the airbrush but uh, lol, lmao

[runic swallow]

Maybe drybrush it?

[pastel rampart]

But maybe with a normal brush.

It's fine turf so that wouldn't drybrush well at all but a slightly thinned-down black might work.

...aaaaactually I have some black soot weathering powder.

[cosmic tulip]

I hate the imperium BUT

darktide. Darktide makes me feel COOL AS HELL playing a guardsman

[past sphinx]

bolt pistol really hitting the deep ape braincell

shame about the laspistol

though ill admit Cain was right

[thin ibex]

Feel good about the list but man is it hard to slip wulfen and razorbacks into the list

And here's a throwback list for you old heads

Incidentally I feel like it could actually work,

Every razorback lascannon can reroll a hit and a wound, or a damage

[spice flicker]

Regarding death guard predator annihilators, is it still smart to stick to the rule of thumb of giving them sponson lascannons or go with the plague heavy bolters for the lethal hits chance? Going up against some thousand sons later and was theorycrafting.

They're bringing Magnus and while I was tempted to go ahead and bring Mortarion I figured I'd go down the armored Death Guard battalion route instead.

What I'm thinking of going with at the moment. Poxwalkers camping at home, and land raider not being a taxi driver since the Terminators are deep striking.

Also i just like tanks which is why there are 6 predators

[paper bluff]

Not enough stopping power was his complaint iirc

But cain was a beast with a cain sword and had domino powers basically

[thin ibex]

I think DG generally lack high strength shooting, you'll have lethal hits elsewhere in your army, you might as well have dedicated high powered weapons on the pred.

[spice flicker]

Alright and so does the list look good?

[thin ibex]

seems fine to me, you would need to play pretty aggressive with the armor to take objectives tho

[spice flicker]

We aren't the slow grinding warfare like most death guard, we are the plague encrusted hammer that races forward smashes our foes in the name of Mortarian and Grandfather Nurgle.

[floral herald]

50% of remaining DG armor in 1 list :p

[thin ibex]

the space marines may not think so, but the predator is perfectly capable

is the reason the csm, 10k year veterans or the crusades and heresy, don't use crusade era armor because its all pretty much wrecked and their modern gear is largely stolen?

like wasn't the felblade a heresy HBT and the Sicaran?

[floral herald]

Armor like tanks?

[thin ibex]

yeah

sry wasnt clear there

[floral herald]

So the real reason is because their range predates the HH games

And the lore reason is don’t think about it

[thin ibex]

yeah i figure, im bein a bit silly

but like csm aint got no contemptor helbrutes, no sicarans or felblades

[floral herald]

But lore wise they should be using a lot of that stuff because they use old gear mostly

[thin ibex]

you'd think they should have t he old shit thats like, got more spikes and demonic bits going on with em

like iron warriors especially

i figure narratively i can heacannon that they are indeed using all those things; and that i just dont get to see it

[floral herald]

Yeah that’s reasonable

The Whirlwind is a weird exception iirc

[jaunty dawn]

oh like heresy era tanks

[thin ibex]

tanks, dreads, you name it

[jaunty dawn]

i think the lore reason is a general lack of maintenance infrastructure in the chaos legions

i thought you meant like, armour marks haha

[thin ibex]

im gonna go look for contemptor dread helbrutes now

[jaunty dawn]

like, the lore reason that the heresy era stuff became rare is even loyalist legions couldn't maintain them well enough

[runic swallow]

The word bearers possessed Dreadnaught is basically that

[jaunty dawn]

and then that goes extra for chaos with notable exceptions

[thin ibex]

thats fair

[runic swallow]

I still think it’s dumb CSM can’t take Sicarins

[thin ibex]

i figure with chaos you also do get s ome csm who are showing up to the materium thinking their escape from the loyalists was yesterday. But I presume thats hardly the norm

[jaunty dawn]

in many ways the reason they dont use heresy era stuff is because theyve developed more practical and effective daemon engines

[thin ibex]

just means loyalists occassionally fight it out with like FRESH heresy era equipped csm

[floral herald]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

pssssh penny, psssh. I dont see no daemon felblade 😛

[floral herald]

There is a general trend of CSM using older, often heresy era gear because of time travel or better preserved tech bases

[jaunty dawn]

they theoretically exist ;P

but like

imperium aint got any shit like a brass scorpion

[floral herald]

And also missing stuff which mostly came into use later like assault cannons

[jaunty dawn]

until youre talking titans anyway

oh second darkmech

[tired cairn]

neither does Chaos anymore

[jaunty dawn]

but also csm have just as much access to the heresy armoury (plus units that were baffingly moved there but in practice is probably the only reason you can still buy them) as regular marines

so it's kinda a false premise

there is no lore reason because the seperation of the model ranges is an entirely business orientated decision with no attempt at a lore justification; its a seperation that literally doesn't exist in the lore

it'd be like asking why 40k mechanicus don't use tech thralls; they do. they just do

[tired cairn]

I was surprised the plastic heresy admech release didn't get 40k rules

[jaunty dawn]

it'd be nice to get legends rules at least

like, the kratos does

but who knows it if it would if the kratos had been released today

it might change in the future; the current policy is fairly recent itself

[floral herald]

Isn’t it somewhat smaller since a couple of the tanks didn’t get a chaos datasheet?

It’s possible I’m parroting someone on Reddit who was wrong

[jaunty dawn]

I think some things were affected by that

although its less not getting a datasheet and more not being included in a list

cause imperial and chaos share the same datasheets

but that's like, also just a meta thing afaik

people fuckin up a list doesn't mean they don't use it in lore

[floral herald]

True

[jaunty dawn]

and likewise there's no lore reason why imperial agents don't get any stormtroopers

fwiw in the imperial armour books that introduced a lot of these 'heresy' designs chaos would use them just as much as imperium; in vraks it was even like imperial macharius' vs lost and damned malcadors

iirc

[thin ibex]

"Brother, do you ever think it's strange that we crusade with a giant armored scorpion as one of our support elements?"

No brother, why would I?

[tired cairn]

The real question is why it is made of brass. I know they are still able to make more advanced materials during the Horus Heresy

[jaunty dawn]

because it's a daemon engine and brass is a holy element of khorne

I don't think it's actually made of brass though just in detailing

should make it more resistant to psychic powers

[tired cairn]

Oh, for some reason I was not aware that it was a demon engine. Even though that is pretty obvious in hindsight

[jaunty dawn]

the daemon engine retcon for horus heresy is pretty weird in general though

[thin ibex]

Land Raiders, not the best tank/transport of the era; just the one that needs the least maintenance, alongside the rhino

[jaunty dawn]

like I don't think it's necessarily a problem for daemon engines to have started during the heresy but the idea that all the modern designs were there from the start is just kinda weird

[thin ibex]

its a bit funny to think that later heresy era motor pools got measurably worse but easier to produce and maintain

[jaunty dawn]

I guess it's not all daemon engines just suspiciously the biggest ones xP

[thin ibex]

i like to imagine the daemon engines of the era were actually on the older chassis, rather than on modern ones

[tired cairn]

"we will but let ourselves be held back by the dogmatic conservatism of our foolish loyalist tech-priests"
"So what have you made in the past ten thousand years"
"..."

[jaunty dawn]

those little guys

venomcrawlers

[spice flicker]

Horrors beyond your imagination

[floral herald]

All the skilled chaos tech priests make space ships :p

[jaunty dawn]

lmao

just make kinetic munitions

[floral herald]

+++NOT A POUND FOR ORBIT TO GROUND+++

[tired cairn]

"see, I can't describe what I've made. It's too horrifying"

[spice flicker]

And things so horrifying we never made them because we're too scared to make them. Always designing never actually building.

[tired cairn]

Wait, I thought all the chaos ships were all the menacingly named Horus heresy era things?

[jaunty dawn]

the heresy was just the last time they managed to get anything done that requires more than a room's worth of people

[tired cairn]

Do daemon ships get made like daemon engines? Or are those more, uh naturally occuring

[floral herald]

In BFG at least most of them are just 1-2 generations older and from a different era in fleet design or designs which the Imperium lost

(Weirdly frequently to defection)

[jaunty dawn]

this doesn't really answer your question at all and is just peak ttrpg anecdotes but I had a daemon ship in rogue trader one time

[floral herald]

But they have better strike craft handling abilities and generally superior guns and fire control

[jaunty dawn]

and a daemon sword

and a daemon in me but that daemon was bad

[tired cairn]

The nominative determinism part of Navy fleet defections is pretty funny

[floral herald]

It’s often line designer defections as well

[tired cairn]

lol

[floral herald]

It can be both

Some of them are just possessed normally ships and some are purpose built by the dark mech

[spice flicker]

So if you're in the camp that Event Horizon is an unofficial 40k prequel, would the Event Horizon itself be the first space hulk or just first possessed/daemon ship?

[jaunty dawn]

I don't entirely disagree with this but "we're squatting all the older models!" isn't really the best argument for a new edition gw

[thin ibex]

ill be honest, having come largely from dawn of war 1, my attention kinda just slides off the venomcrawler

as a weird, non chaos-y thing to me; even though its very chaos-y

[floral herald]

Aughhh

[jaunty dawn]

oh my gooooood

"my favourite thing about the new edition is we don't have to pay nearly as many artists-oh sorry, these are meant to be pros for the consumer?"

and they're like bragging about not explaining rules with diagrams anymore like how is that actually simpler

there are some cool things about the new edition but like

so many of the things going were like, the core of the game

this also makes me really worried for warcry cause there is no reason for both games to exist if they simplify underworlds this much

[solemn gull]

Wait people actually play underworlds and don’t just steal the models for other stuff?

[jaunty dawn]

the company would be competing with itself

cute

[jaunty dawn]

but anyway warcry is also like, really at odds with the direction of the current policy

[lofty warren]

Its always very funny to me that chaos in 40k is "stabbier imperium" and chaos in bfg is "shootier longer ranged imperium"

To over-simplify

[lofty warren]

Really feels like its in danger

[jaunty dawn]

I think warcry could have a pretty good future in being community supported at least

idk it's kinda weird cause a lot of the more recent releases mechanics wise for warcry feel like beta tests for a third edition next year but they could also be the designers just throwing out every idea they have to the community before its shut down

[lofty warren]

Honestly might be for the best for it

The afterlives of stuff like mordheim have oft been more vibrant than their living states

[jaunty dawn]

(the last few books have added variant rules for stuff like customising individual fighters and little faction rules)

I think if warcry does survive under gw it might end up becoming like, just going fully into the mordheimy vibes and become an entirely seperate game in the same space as necromunda

up the complexity

cause I doubt gw isn't kinda looking at that sort of thing

[past sphinx]

underworlds always looked like it had a thin layer of grease

this has not dissauded that notion

[lofty warren]

im honestly really curious what GWs team structure looks like

not knowing the names of ppl working on stuff sucks

[jaunty dawn]

it does

[tired cairn]

This is silly, because people would probably resonate with "we will retire teams to avoid rules bloat" more lol. I also don't really understand why they wouldn't just reprint old teams. Maybe I'm underestimating the nonfixed costs is miniature production

[jaunty dawn]

something I always find reading old books and want to learn more about is like, seeing women painters and writers is actually really cool

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s really funny

BFG chaos is like… a ww2 fleet

[jaunty dawn]

like battle for armageddon was written by a woman!

Talima Fox!

[south axle]

I think GW's kinda iffy on naming people, like look at their "tests" with their painting videos from a couple of years ago when they only had peoples hands in the video and no name tags. And then we have Duncan and Peachy who basically started their YT on GWs channel

[floral herald]

With how much culture was BS there is in 40K fandom spaces rn I’m kind of happy that they don’t

[lofty warren]

they used to credit people who wrote books

this ended around 6e iirc

[floral herald]

Even before then people got pretty nasty about designer feedback

[jaunty dawn]

sku-bloat is an ever present thing, underworlds has a like full release with cards -> just the models -> fully retired/range rotation

pipeline

[lofty warren]

i think at least partially in response to this and specifically the hate Matt Ward got

[floral herald]

I don’t like it but I can see the alternative sucking more

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think gw is completely innocent of cultivating the community either

[lofty warren]

i can but also it does feel in the benefit of GW more than anyone else to keep these things obscure

[tired cairn]

Ostensibly they changed that because of artists getting death threats

[lofty warren]

to protect your authors by entirely hiding them away

[tired cairn]

(not everyone is convinced of this obviously)

[floral herald]

Yeah I’m not convinced GW just does it to help their writers

[lofty warren]

like, a lot of people have had longer term careers in minis games design having started at GW, but all of those are from like 20 years ago

people whose names are recognized and whatnot

noone has that opportunity nowadays to build names for themselves, and its very stark when u contrast it to the indie space

[jaunty dawn]

its also like how much rules bloat do you even need to get rid of when you're taking it from one of the most complex gw games to making your factions simpler than most single units in 40k or AoS

[lofty warren]

mind, idk who specifically is doing the design work on Infinity and im not sure i could find out so its not just a GW problem

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I'd also like to know abt their concept artists cause I know a few of them I'd be really into

you can sometimes find that stuff but yeah

[tired cairn]

I guess it would be less bad if there were more biggish miniature companies. You don't need external name recognition as much if you are applying to other companies

[tired cairn]

Fair. I'm mostly saying they could have had a better reason. Though I forgot that warband is much simpler than Kill Team (which has a similar policy now)

[lofty warren]

idk, even wizards credits their writers in a way that GW doesn't

for another example of hegemony

[tired cairn]

Though I guess in the Kill Team case, it's a dramatic improvement over "new edition totally invalidates previous edition" lol

[lofty warren]

it speaks to the same design problem imo