Warhammer and Such

[south axle]

Add an Abeyant to bring them to 60mm

[jaunty dawn]

thats cause the 40k dominus model is technically used for the 30k one too

[cosmic tulip]

I’m not sure which to get ngl

[south axle]

I'd check the Index on WarCOm but it is still down

[cosmic tulip]

I was gonna smack Xenos bits all over the Dominus specifically

[south axle]

Just get Cawl

The warhammer webstore has died on me as well now

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s having problems

It’s a shame because I wanna see the article which probably exists for these fellas

Orks looks like an elite team with 6 models

And ratlings look like an 11 model team?

[cosmic tulip]

;-; I’m not that good at painting

And the 30k stuff speaks to me

[south axle]

Cawl was "born" in M31

[cosmic tulip]

I know

It’s just.. idk I like the 30k model designs more?

And cawl is big

[south axle]

I get that

[cosmic tulip]

My space is limited

[south axle]

I enjoy how this guys looks more 30k than the new 30k "priest"

[cosmic tulip]

I like both!

[south axle]

Both are good

[cosmic tulip]

..I also might wanna pick up that necromunda guy ngl.

Screams Xenarite

And you can actually run necromunda models as proxies right?

[south axle]

But the Munda one looks more like these than the magos

[south axle]

Yes?

[cosmic tulip]

Is it plastic or resin?

I know some necromunda stuff is resin

[jaunty dawn]

that guy is resin

[cosmic tulip]

😭 the machine god endows me with rage

[south axle]

15+ is the current resin marker

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[cosmic tulip]

https://vxtwitter.com/sughammer/status/1842615349839016157?s=46

[south axle]

I want the Embergard article so I can see more of the new Skryre rats

Skryre x Eshin <3

[cosmic tulip]

Also how do I buy individual bases from GW?

I might get the Archmagos and rebase

[finite compass]

IIRC they sell packs of bases

[cosmic tulip]

EXCELLENT.

[south axle]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-SE/plp?productType=base

[finite compass]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Citadel-50mm-Round-Bases

[cosmic tulip]

Thank yall! Website is still down

[finite compass]

Yeah, it's being slow and fucky for me

[south axle]

Store is up but wonky for me, WarCom is stuck at 500

Maybe updating your news site a week before a big news drop was such a smart idea

[cosmic tulip]

The machine spirits were NOT with them

[jaunty dawn]

oh jesus vespid are big

[floral herald]

Wao

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/ElzunixArt/status/1817603827400581279

[past sphinx]

You ever just see an art style and know they make horny art somewhere

[pastel rampart]

They got that under-18 emoji in their name for a good reason.

[still warren]

The classic, how the artist draws liquid

[uneven ember]

Skrungly

[past sphinx]

hes made of hivemind goo!

[tired cairn]

Do CSM still use their Gellefields or do they also rely on their demonpacts for that?

[uneven ember]

pretty sure they still use gellar fields
except for the Daemonships obvs

[past sphinx]

the warp is deep and wide and plenty of sharks with no allegiances

[uneven ember]

plus even if you want to empower yourself with the Warp there's limits to how much Warp you want to expose yourself to all at once

Daemon ships, btw, were a super cool detail in Battlefleet Gothic.
Instead of deploying with the fleet, they show up at the end of the player's turn, near either a friendly or enemy capitol ship (either summoned to the battle or coming out for prey worth pursuing)
Partly. When they show up, they're a ghost ship, half in the warp and half out. They move around the table but can't effect or be effected by any other ships, except imposing a Leadership penalty to enemy ships nearby

It's not until the turn after that they can choose to (but are not required to) come all the way into realspace and start participating.

[unreal cosmos]

you KNOW he's gonna carry someone off

T'au auxiliaries all tower over the lil blue guys themselves

[finite compass]

Generally unless you've hit the point where you're a literal Daemon Prince or whatever, getting exposed to the Warp itself is still going to end very badly for you.

[cosmic tulip]

Excellent news for me

[uneven ember]

There's a spectrum, though! Daemon Worlds and what not. Warpy but not completely inimical to causality and biology. The general population might average more than two eyes and one mouth each but they're not at immediate risk of spontaniously turning inside-out
& on spaceships specifically it suggests that Abby's flagship, the Planet Killer (him and his names) couldn't be built outside the Eye of Terror because it just wouldn't be feasible if the laws of physics were non-negotiable

[cosmic tulip]

Both Kastelans and Castellax share the same base size

[finite compass]

There is a spectrum! The thing is, IIRC, the Eye and Daemon Worlds aren't so much fully in the warp as they are a mixture of warpspace and realspace.

There's also a bit in the Black Legion books where they actually leave the Eye for the first time, and a lot of the Beastmen and mutated humans present on the bridge have a very violent and painful reaction.

And the viewpoint character opines that it's the first time any of them have been in an area where there wasn't some degree of warp/realspace overlap.

[floral herald]

Look it took the Chosen weeks to convince him not to call it the Planet Slaying Hand of Abaddon

[finite compass]

To the point where even something like the uniform march of linear time would be immensely uncomfortable for them.

[finite compass]

That feeling when any ship in your fleet can carry exterminatus-level weaponry, but you still insist on building a warp-powered Death Star.

[floral herald]

The planet killer does hit WAY harder than Exterminatus tbf

[uneven ember]

"...the... Black... Ship."
"Absolutely already a thing."
"The Inquisition doesn't own ships being black"

[uneven ember]

That is pretty cool though
Just never getting used to the sensation of completely concrete reality

[past sphinx]

"touches grass once, dies"

[untold swallow]

I have come up with a funny quirk in my chapter

They wear chapter insignia on the right pauldron and company insignia on the left

Because so often, members or entire squads are seconded to Deathwatch

[uneven ember]

heh!
I like that

[untold swallow]

(This is totally not cope about the fact that all the skull-based left pauldron insignia in Space Marine 2 are very Ultramarines or Death Guard or Iron Hands)

Also their role insignia is by animal

[valid brook]

late to the party but losing my fuckin mind over the ratling KT

[cosmic tulip]

Hmm

[valid brook]

unironically We’re So Back

[cosmic tulip]

They changed Tau FTL lore again

I don’t know why GW keeps retconning Tau FTL..

It’s like they keep making the tau naive but don’t know what to do with them

[valid brook]

I can’t think of many fluff topics that have been more thoroughly “whatever today’s narrative needs” than Tau FTL

[cosmic tulip]

So for the current narrative campaign

It’s that the tau ftl caused the warp rift

BUT

[untold swallow]

wolves for Phobos troops, bulls for intercessors and other close fire support, etc etc

[cosmic tulip]

instead of saying it was an experimental engine like before

They’re saying it’s their baseline engine which they already used and knew was stable

[untold swallow]

gonna try to convince my partner to play a ratling in our Wrath and Glory game

[cosmic tulip]

And there’s no mention of the engine that ripped the startide nexus open anymore

So I guess we’re back to skimming the warp

it’s just baffling because we know gw has large meetings with their writers to decide on a vaguely consistent baseline for factions

But the tau… don’t? It’s like whatever progress they make is stymied

FTL DRIVES WERE ESTABLISHED IN 6TH EDITION

[valid brook]

A buddy and I once came up with a pitch for an Only War game about a staff of ratlings (company commander, his batman, and two junior officers) getting cut off when their trench is overrun and having to trek through the enemy rear and cross the front and no-man’s-land to link back up with friendly forces

The attentive reader will note that this is “what if the four boys from LotR had fought in WWI like Tolkien did” and we thought we were very clever for coming up with that one.

[uneven ember]

what's the deal now?

[cosmic tulip]

So the tau have two engines for FTL

One of them is a basic engine that skims the warp briefly for FTL

The other is like an imperial warp engine and fully traverses it

They’re saying that the basic warp engine caused the huge hole in reality now called the Startide Nexus

And there’s no more mention of the new and improved warp engine at all existing

[untold swallow]

I mean in your defense it is clever

[cosmic tulip]

They set tau back to 6th edition when they were just figuring out warp stuff

[tardy vault]

apparently that meme caused the tau subreddit to implode

There is no more subreddit

just kroot hounds

[uneven ember]

well 250 hounds can presumably fill a subreddit

[wild fog]

The holiday boxes have been almost certainly been moving away from "players can fill an army by buying a couple of these" and are meant to be a start of a new army or a good way to get new players, so if more newbies get their hands on a box because oldheads don't spam buy I'm kinda okay with it

[past sphinx]

i dont think any of the battleforce boxes have ever been a good deal

err

that good of a deal

usually only 10-15%

[floral herald]

There's ones above that but yeah

[past sphinx]

the knight box is pretty good

but knights loyalists and otherwise are pretty much just armiger chassis spam

[soft willow]

I mean it’s not a bad thing to have a couple Questoris knights for lists.

Two of the Knights box gets you most of the way to a Knight army.

[past sphinx]

the inner circle box looks really good

damn perfect for starting off some dangels

[desert jay]

IIRC, one knight battlebox and an arbites kit would get you a meta 1000 pointer

Or... wait, that was pre Agents codex, IDK what the agent of choice to throw in is

[rocky shale]

subductors are still the tanky cheap option

voidsmen at arms are only 50 pts tho for 5 bodies

[thin ibex]

Is there a case to be made in favor of the gauss guns instead of death rays on the monolith?

Also what's are some hidden techniques to getting the most out of a monolith

[floral herald]

I struggle to imagine a particular use case for them

[cosmic tulip]

https://youtu.be/N3wzMCg1N-E

[floral herald]

I'm not a necrons pro but AIUI the Eternity Gate is really good for yoinking infantry out of unfavorable melee

[floral herald]

This is a neat one

It's kinda just high fidelity bolter porn but its good

I like the imperial guardsmen just awkwardly getting out of their way

"ah fuck they're not saying anything lets just go i guess"

https://warhammertv.com/details/25584?playlist_id=4

Full video

Also maybe the best bolter on video

This is a wild statue I dig it

[uneven ember]

hell yeah

[thin ibex]

i figured they'd be like... ok general purpose volume firepower

[thin ibex]

Workable?

[cosmic tulip]

This is the third nonbinary named character this year!

[mental birch]

Weirdly the kroot list kinda leans on this kind of army haha

[faint galleon]

there's a fun bit in the Watchers of the Throne about how the chancellor to the high lords of Terra has this cool command centre and a huge network of secret agents, and all he does with this is wrangle the high lords into showing up to their high lord sessions

[pale narwhal]

I came up with a Dark Heresy character concept once for a scribe-warrior whose family had for generations physically fought to keep archives filed a certain way, in secret.

I love how utterly incompetent and insane the administratum is

[verbal ermine]

you weren't kidding, that subreddit can really two hundred and fifty kroot hounds

[jaunty dawn]

the thing is abt it

is you can only have like

30 kroot hounds

+6 from farstalkers

[verbal ermine]

😔 curses

so there are hard limits for how many of the same kind of unit you can place on the field...

my plan of drowning my enemies in grots or rippers has failed

[jaunty dawn]

grot limit is much higher but yeah

3 units per datasheet/6 if its battleline

[hybrid oyster]

If you want to drown someone take guard.

Theres like 4 similar infantry datasheets

[jaunty dawn]

between gretchin and mek gunz alone you can get like 105 grots

then you can also get killa kanz n such. grot tanks if you play legends

[hybrid oyster]

240 guard my beloved.

[verbal ermine]

HUH

that's a lotta guys

[jaunty dawn]

used to be able to go a lot bigger

like

6 troop slots, and about 55 ish to a slot because of the company system

and that's just the infantry

[tired cairn]

And really cheap conscript versions

(any morale issues were solved with a commissars pistol iirc)

[past sphinx]

The tau subreddit is prone to moments of insanity

[uneven ember]

good times

[desert jay]

You can currently go up to 335 mans at 2000 pts, though this involves using the slightly-cheaper Catachans

At 3000 pts you go up to 490 mans

And point changes would need to free up 125 90 pts to make it to 500 mans at 3k

[bright dove]

How many 'Nids can we get up to?

[junior robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGaE-Sw1osk

[desert jay]

As of January, 327 models at 2k, IDK if points changes have hit that yet

Guard battleline is 5.5 to 6.5 ppm, Tyranid battleline is 6 to 8.5 ppm

[bright dove]

Fascinating

[desert jay]

Neurogaunts are cheaper (4.1 ppm) but you can only take 3 squads of them

Also TBF, those 8.5 ppm models are gargoyles, which might be the only flying battleline in the game

[bright dove]

Now I'm wondering what the largest AoS army is....

[still warren]

has to be skavenslaves right?

[bright dove]

Skavenslaves are no more. You've got your clanrats now.

Can't check the points on those right now.

Moonclan Stabbas over in Gloomspite Gits run 7 ppm

And the cheapest hero you can get for your general is 100 points.

Which leaves you 1900 points to get as many Moonclan Stabbas as you want.

[still warren]

looks like gnoblars are the cheapest at 6 ppm

[bright dove]

Let's see how it stacks up in terms of actual models, because Ogor Heroes are way more expensive.

[still warren]

good point, https://www.listbot.co.uk/listbot/?faction=3075 using this site rn for the points

[bright dove]

I'm using the AoS app.

Looking at 361 for Gloomspite Gits right now.

1 Fungoid Cave Shaman and 13 units of Stabbas.

[upper canopy]

https://x.com/Lorgarwasright/status/1842509529206178202

Lorgar Aurelian (@Lorgarwasright) on X

Twitter · Oct 5, 2024, 10:17 AM

[bright dove]

A Butcher runs 140 points, and you can get 15 units of Gnoblars with what's left over.

[still warren]

looks that has gnoblars beat at 260

oh wait nevermind i'm running regiments

[floral herald]

Lol

Do models which aren’t on the table at the same time count?

[bright dove]

What's more, you can give the enhancement for Gnoblars to someone.

Or is that not a thing anymore?

[pulsar cairn]

Btw

If Guilliman is finding himself in a situation where his own rules are getting in the way

Cant he just...update the codex astartes?

He's the one who made it after all

It wouldnt be that weird would it?

[uneven ember]

It's been the standard for 10,000 years across the whole galaxy
And trying to fix that sort of thing is, best case, a way to run into the "fifteen competing standards" problem

[ebon forge]

Did that just re-canonize the halflings?

[floral herald]

No because they were never decanonized they just had old models

[upper canopy]

Halflings in AoS are still questionably existent

[ebon forge]

As I know that's how GW sometimes decanonize stuff, ah well

[floral herald]

That can happen yeah

But they were still in codexes and rules and such they just had old models

[ebon forge]

ah i see, interesting

I always felt like they don't fit much in the current 40k because they are kind of a hard comedic foil

[floral herald]

Sorta like Jes Goodwin’s perfect creations, the warp spiders

[bright dove]

Yeah, it's just a case of old af models.

[uneven ember]

I feel like GW has been less likely to hard decanonize stuff lately
Even if they don't get models they tend to be Around

[floral herald]

Yeah

There’s stuff like the Squats which come close

[uneven ember]

Except that's the thing, right?
Used to be saying "squats" would get you banned from GW's webforums, now you have the LoV kicking around

They've brought up zoats again. Zoats.

[bright dove]

Zoats being brought up is wild

[floral herald]

The meta guesses for KT3 are so wild it rules

We collectively have like no idea what the meta is but it’s changed a lot

It’s funny to me to see people going “I think Warpcoven is actually unbeatable”

[tired cairn]

Pfft, I'm pretty sure I could lose with them

[thin ibex]

you know, something i like about the play on tabletop channel is that they manage to play really close games pretty often

[pastel rampart]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Halfling They've apparently got a few nods in tie-in novels.

https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120201105_GlutosOrscollionLordofGluttonyFeature1.jpg

That and this little freak on Glutos's model might be a halfling.

[uneven ember]

One thing I liked about Helsreach novel was how much silliness from the old Epic days he squeezed in
RETVRN to Ordinatus

[soft willow]

Any AoS folks have a good source for stormcast lore?

[cosmic tulip]

The new Skaventide book is apparently pretty good

[south axle]

2k points on the dot

[cosmic tulip]

https://www.tumblr.com/taudad/759458377682255872?source=share

[upper bluff]

More people need to make art based on tts lore

This is wonderful

[jaunty dawn]

oh this is the new knight-azyros

I'm so sad there's no knight-venator

but also would probably be a good conversion

someone's stolen her thing!

[bright dove]

And Skaven are the winners!

Wait, no

Gnoblars still win.

[south axle]

Ye

Clanrats are 7,5ppm

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hkfohngw/watch-an-all-new-animated-vignette-the-enemy-without-a-deathwatch-vignette/

officially the most dramatic army to play in 10e for twists and turns

[rocky shale]

Now the real question, space marine detachment or more units for agents?

[floral herald]

My gut feeling is deathwatch faction

[rocky shale]

Bringing it back as a faction as a digital-only codex would be wild

[jaunty dawn]

just having no limit on deathwatch vets in a space marines detachment would do a lot

but realistically like, and especially in the context of this short, they need to bring back primaris squads

[tepid stratus]

yeah honestly just add some basic choices. Deosn't even ned to necessarily be the janked mixed kill teams but just "kill teams" of primaris units with different rules and stats. intercessors with extra AP or aggressors that resoll 1s to save on objectives ore something to that effect

At least make the deathwatch xombat patrol playable for deathwatch lol

[cosmic tulip]

https://www.tumblr.com/systembug/763239093003059200/skitarii-appreciation-hours?source=share

[tardy vault]

Second try at a snek

Like this tail a whole lot better

And my second try at eyes I think went off far better.

[ebon forge]

Is Blood Bowl 3 wortrh it in 2024?

[lofty warren]

And STILL no deathwatch Kill Team!

Ehoop ping

[floral herald]

They work pretty well for AoD at least

But yeah it’s funny

[jaunty dawn]

I wonder how much the perception of gw kits becoming less customisable is just from the instructions

[misty violet]

Unfortunately, as I understand it, it's still mostly just worse than Blood Bowl 2

[floral herald]

I have to be really brave to kitbash now but it’s still really doable

[jaunty dawn]

cause now the editorial style is just to present like, one way of making the kit or each option

when a lot of the time that's not actually how the kit was designed

[floral herald]

Yeah I’ve been smashing together my CSM with reckless abandon and it’s worked great

[ebon forge]

Shame, thank you

[jaunty dawn]

mhm mhm

[floral herald]

My Havoc leader has a kill team head and a Chosen arm and it’s great

Like every power armor CSM model is interchangeable

[jaunty dawn]

the new kroot are Super Impressive

characters are monopose but the infantry all have arm sockets that interchange

and its doing that with organic shapes!

you can't adjust angle as a result but it's crazy good

[floral herald]

Oh that’s really neat actually

[jaunty dawn]

but like main example is rampagers and carnivores are fully interchangable between them

so you can use the awesome melee weapons on foot kroot

aquilons have also been really fun to build and Im finding some poses that work much better

there's a few unique chest pieces, which only match one pose, though

but they have generic alts at least

there's also a second set of cable arms that are mid plug-in which was a fun discovery

[floral herald]

I’ve been putting together the Phobos kill team lately and they’re super interchangeable

[jaunty dawn]

one weird thing though is I don't think you can actually build a power sword/laspistol and the gunfighter

[floral herald]

Which is nice because you need to not follow the instructions to make every specialist lol

[jaunty dawn]

unless you are fine with not showing the pistol at all, you can do a sword/pointy arm

[floral herald]

Yeah you can’t it’s kinda weird

I’m probably gonna give him the pointing arm

[jaunty dawn]

would have been really annoying if I'd built power sword yesterday instead of bolt pistol sdfgsjhd

[floral herald]

Cause I like that for leaders and it means I don’t need to magnetize for wysiwyg

[jaunty dawn]

just cause I really like bolt weapons as officer weapons on ig

[floral herald]

Makes sense

KT3 has made me reconsider plasma for leaders tbh

Now that Hot is unavoidable and leaders often don’t hit on a 2+

[jaunty dawn]

oh what

[floral herald]

also this is a legionaries post and the tainted bolt pistol is already cranked

[jaunty dawn]

what are the plasma changes?

[floral herald]

Worse damage, (crit damage doesn’t go up on Overcharge) no P2 on Overcharge mode, Hot is a d6 rolled after attacks which does d3 damage on a 1

[jaunty dawn]

ahh

[floral herald]

It’s not bad but I like it less on leaders with strong abilities

Since I don’t want to risk losing those to Hot

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[floral herald]

I think plasma is still good on AspChamp but

I think you probably want Chosen most of the time now

Since he’s a FREAK in melee

[jaunty dawn]

oh neat

rending is pretty great too

specially with the same crit damage

[floral herald]

Yeah the bolt pistol is just really solid in its own right

And plasma getting nerfed a little lets it shine

The daemon blade heal working on crit damage also rules

[jaunty dawn]

cyan did u see my daemon prince mane

here

[lofty warren]

I already glued plasma to his hand

He gets plasma

[pulsar cairn]

If an Imperial planet has a revolution and the guys who take over still pay all their taxes to the imperium

Are they left alone?

They wouldnt be chaos in this case

[finite compass]

Actually yes.

There might be some friction over removing the duly-appointed Imeperial Governor

But still.

It's outright stated that internecine conflict and political strife on single planets or within planetary governments is a thing that happens all the time

And the Imperium generally doesn't care as long as the Tithe isn't interrupted, or one side isn't outwardly anti-Imperial or Heretical.

[thin ibex]

i do think that it really depends on when it happens and who is present during it

[finite compass]

Yeah, I mean major hiveworld suddenly having production and logistical disruptions due to civil unrest is going to be clamped down on a lot harder than a random Imperial world where exports generally happen once a generation.

But again, I think that falls under 'interrupting the Tithe'

[finite compass]

But like in Necropolis, a part of the starting scenario is the Hive rulers don't believe that an oncoming war with another Hive is a problem because "We've had trade wars before"

And not "Oh wait, the literal entire hive got corrupted by Chaos and is now throwing their entire population at us"

[jaunty dawn]

there's a whole succession crisis/revolution happening on necromunda and I don't think the imperium itself is doing anything about it

[finite compass]

This is also not the first time this sort of thing has happened on Necromunda

Including one which escalated to "We will literally shoot down any ship that tries to dock at my Brother's hive instead of my trade port"

[uneven ember]

The Badab War started with like a century of Huron and some interstellar noble houses fighting over taxes and the greater Imperial legal structure going "we don't care, work it out"

[jaunty dawn]

usually if a revolution warrants imperial intervention the current ruling caste are also held accountable for it

although there are resources like arbites etc

[cosmic tulip]

I’ve decided

I’m gonna get a LOT of automata

My army theming will be primarily automata

[uneven ember]

Yeah, that too
"You guys are guilty of treason, you guys are guilty of allowing treason, I looked over you guys' case and you've done nothing wrong which means you're guilty of wasting my time"

[floral herald]

Oh that is sick actually

[jaunty dawn]

ty!!!!!

[rocky shale]

I gotta hold myself back from buying too much into KT before I actually get my local friends to try it

Hivestorm looks pretty sick tho, even if I don't personally love the teams

[floral herald]

If you do home games the Hivestorm terrain is really nice

[rocky shale]

The goal is to do home games but I did just find stls for the beta decima terrain which also has rules in kt3

[floral herald]

That’s fair

Bheta Decima terrain is cool

[rocky shale]

There's a guy on miniswap selling the hivestorm terrain for like $75 which is tempting

[floral herald]

I would be tempted like that

I got the box because I like both teams a lot

(I like the bugges more though)

[rocky shale]

Imperial Agents launch was rough on the hobby budget

If agents got those scions as an option for 40k I'd honestly consider it

[floral herald]

Wait do they not?

I figured they would since Tau got updated rules for stingwings

Maybe GW just figured they’d be the same as Scions

[jaunty dawn]

nah they have a unit they just don't appear in agents

looking at it now it's a little weird

the tempestor can take dual pistols

and also wysiwig if you build the knife person and the bomb person they just downgrade their carbines to pistols for no real gain

[floral herald]

Oh that is weird

https://x.com/kumratart/status/1843035441488113845?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Kumratte (@KumratArt) on X

Special guest Horus on Talk Tuah shares how he never wanted to unleash his Legions on that thang

Twitter · Oct 6, 2024, 9:07 PM

[still warren]

Big E be like if she don't huak tua I dont want to talk tuah

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1292656760435511296/Tumblr_l_104577035950580.jpg?ex=670487ec&is=6703366c&hm=fc3b7e40f814d970779f9658ea8abdd27e648107943e00c05b3b7a623d8e8f31&

[spice flicker]

In the deathwatch ttrpg is building towards terminator armor worth it?

[lofty warren]

I dont undetstand this huak tua thing

[granite basin]

long story short is that a lady with rich relatives said one funny thing and bc she has rich relatives/an in w the industry, she now apparently deserves an outpouring of attention and resources for making One decent joke

[hybrid oyster]

time to try some fire effects

[floral herald]

Not really iirc

It’s iirc a substantial investment and not that much more protective than power armor for its downsides

If you can get it without heavy investment it’s not bad

[jaunty dawn]

oh weird

breachers are like

no longer a one box team

[floral herald]

Oh what changed?

I don’t remember their old composition since it kept changing

[jaunty dawn]

cause the bots got made half theres now a spare operative slot

feels kinda weird they dont have a way to take one less operative??? like

idk maybe itll be erratad

[untold swallow]

So I just made

A very amusing discovery

So this plinth G-Man is standing on has the names of the various planets of Ultramar, right?

One of them is prandium

Which

I kid you not

is Latin for 'lunch'

The punchline

Shit's a dead world that got eaten by Behemoth

I shit you not

[plucky token]

40k is a very subtle franchise

[uneven ember]

I stole one of my terrible High Gothic jokes directly from Terry Pratchett
FABRICATI DIEM PVNC

[untold swallow]

holy shit deathwing models that aren't terminators, pog

(I know they're bladeguard, this is the first depiction of deathwing I've seen not in terminators)

[floral herald]

It's kind of a new thing I think

[rocky shale]

I think they're for IG

[untold swallow]

I mean I know, it's their combat patrol

I am just glad there are non-Terminator deathwing models

Or at least

confirmation that the Deathwing isn't

[floral herald]

I'm kind of curious how it works since traditionally the Deathwing are all Terminators and I can't imagine the Dark Angels let ex-greyshields into the Inner Circle

[untold swallow]

All Terms all the Time ™️

[floral herald]

So I guess its some kind of relaxation of tradition for rubicon crossers?

[untold swallow]

Fuck

Meant to post to dms

[floral herald]

Wait I have the 10e dark angels book

[untold swallow]

Thought I changed already

[floral herald]

nw

[ebon dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DbkHM6G1Gpw?app=desktop

[floral herald]

Ok looking it up the 10e book irritatingly says that Deathwing are still all terminators

So IDK what's going on there but I think I'm more inclined to follow the studio painters here

The Annoying Space Marine TO&E fan in me is screaming that Bladeguard shouldn't be Deathwing and should be Greenwing Company Veterans instead but I will suppress that because I think the bone colored bladeguard look cool

[brittle salmon]

At this point just bring back the hexagrammaton imo

[thin ibex]

as far as i know, terminators, dreadnoughts, bladeguard, and sternguard, inner circle companions

they all have deathwing

as a tag

[floral herald]

Oh yeah they do

So its probably the fluff text being weird

A lot of 9e and 10e codexes have a lot of reduplicated text from older ones and may not reflect some more recent units or changes

[bright dove]

So, the Deathwing can all have Terminator armor. But they don't have to wear it.

[thin ibex]

something something they all have terminator honors?

[bright dove]

Basically.

[uneven ember]

(man I remember Terminator Honours)

[floral herald]

The codex fluff is relatively strongly worded here but I think its the odd one out

[thin ibex]

kekekek "The Dark angels horde tech so they have a butt load of terminator armor. Also, they are the only ones with a single grav bike out of the space marines. Also they have their own special bikes!

[wide veldt]

Okay I keep getting ads for it, has anyone tried that tacticus mobile game?

I assume it’s bad

[thin ibex]

not a fan myself

no free way to get the characters/units you want

and without paying progression is very slow

[floral herald]

I've heard its ok for a mobile gacha game

[wide veldt]

Ahh it’s gacha

Alright that’s all I needed to lose interest

As a sidenote

I’ve really come to love the Cadians

Which is notable mostly because I tend to dislike the “standard” versions of other factions, like the Ultramarines

[granite basin]

the most iconic ones usually are there for a reason, and the cadians are like The Distillation of 40k's tone from their aesthetic to their ethos

[wide veldt]

It also helps that they aren’t Mary Sues and like

Need to be bailed out all the time

[granite basin]

Astra Militarum is generally a much better idea of what 40k is actually like

these guys get chucked headfirst into meat grinders and only survive through faith, grit, or spite.

[wide veldt]

[granite basin]

or just sheer luck.

[wide veldt]

I admittedly also can’t think of any IG regiments I dislike

Other than Krieg

[granite basin]

i think the maccabian janissaries are p fuckin cool

[wide veldt]

And I’ll admit my dislike for krieg isn’t necessarily the fault of like

The faction itself lol

[floral herald]

I like Krieg but I don't like their internet fanbase

[wide veldt]

Yeah

[granite basin]

yeah. i like kriegers, i don't trust krieger fans

[wide veldt]

I think I would like Krieg more without the weirdo emotionless aspect

[granite basin]

i think they'd genuinely be a perfect example of how mind-numbingly fuckawful the Guard really is if they actually emoted

[wide veldt]

[floral herald]

I think they're usually on drugs

For that

[wide veldt]

I conceptually really like the idea of like, hardline channeling WW1

Oh for sure

[floral herald]

Though they're also very indoctrinated and dehumanized

[granite basin]

guys who are permastuck in trench warfare and literally want to die so badly just to Feel something is as grimdark as it gets

[upper canopy]

Krieg is funny because in their Thing

their Main Story Vraks

they kill their commissars to route

[untold swallow]

hhhhhh

[upper canopy]

which the memes conviently forget

[floral herald]

There's more discussion under that - its just the codex lore section being weird

[granite basin]

i ignore elements of canon i don't vibe w and i believe that kriegers bitch a Lot

[untold swallow]

lol

[cosmic tulip]

I think this too ngl

We know they do talk to each other via dead men walking

And they scrutinize the fuck out of a commissar

[untold swallow]

Fair, I headcanon the Dark Angels as black-armored

[floral herald]

Yeah they're still human

[granite basin]

well they have to talk to each other, it's moreso i just like the red vs blue aspect of dudes who have no fucking idea why they're fighting and just go along with it anyway

[wide veldt]

Yeah I guess I mostly just hate the fandom version of Krieg and haven’t seen much else of it lol

But other than that IG is roundly my favorite faction

[untold swallow]

My favorite guard regiment is those fuckers that are just

Press-ganged via incurring debt due to resources they consumed as children

[granite basin]

yeah, i'd call the two different types of krieger fans Shovel Nazis and Normal People lmao

[wide veldt]

Space Marine 2 also briefly had me liking the ultramarines before I came to my sense

[untold swallow]

And they just are like ‘how much was that kill worth monetarily.’

[floral herald]

Hmm, I'm not sure what my favorite one is

I have a soft spot for Mordian Iron Guard

Since they're just fearlessly goofy

[granite basin]

I have to look into the different dudes to figure it out tbh

[rocky shale]

Shot in the dark here but does anyone have an stl file for a gallowdark/boarding patrol terrain set they like?

[cosmic tulip]

I like that one named Gue’vesa regiment

I wish they were fleshed out more as a guard parallel

Like names regiments or something

[granite basin]

there is a pretty heavy imperium bias, unfortunately

so once again, it is time to pull out the Your Dudes rule lol

[rocky shale]

Kitbash an entire guard army as guevesa

[cosmic tulip]

I wish I had fleshed out my tau to the same degree as my admech

But I was satisfied with my tau they didn’t need changing

[granite basin]

visually?

[cosmic tulip]

They’re just tau with a lot of auxillaries and infantry

yeah visually and narratively I didn’t change much

They trade with my admech a lot my kill team leader has an arc pistol

And a scanner for the drone controller

[floral herald]

Oh, I'll post excerpts later

I read the lore for the vespids in Hivestorm and its neat

[cosmic tulip]

!!!

[floral herald]

The gist of it is that there's no real mention of mind control (though they talk about the communion helms working really well)

But its also pretty clear that the Tau are exploiting the vespid because they're hardy and expendable and they want the neutron crystals for the empire

And also the Vespids are really weird

The Tau don't even know the rank a strain leader has just that the other ones generally listen to them well

[wide veldt]

Are there rules for running a Gue’vessa regiment?

[floral herald]

no

It's very not supported without home rules

[rocky shale]

They don't have models unless you kitbash fire warriors with guard parts

[mild glen]

As of right now, no. You just run a standard Astra Militarum REgiment and paint them the Sept colours of your choice or say "Lol, these are Gue'vasa, I painted T'au sumbols on the tanks"

[floral herald]

Unless you just model fire warriors as humans

[wide veldt]

Shame

40k hates me…….

[rocky shale]

Narratively they're very cool but honestly there's not a great spot for them to have some special subfaction within tau

[wide veldt]

I want to kiss Tau………….

[mild glen]

IG Codex is coming soon. Maybe we'll have a Gue'vasa Detachment that allows you to bring in T'au "allies" (I can dream)

[wide veldt]

This also plays into me wanting tau to be more like an alliance faction which a bunch of different species in it

[rocky shale]

I mean it still is, but they're also doing the big robots theme so they sorta run out of space

[wide veldt]

No such thing let’s do faction bloooaaaat

[cosmic tulip]

We do know guevesa still exist

The newest Tau book has them take a prominent role in boarding a death guard ship

There's even an ogryn who uses modified stealth suit weapons

[cosmic tulip]

I can't paint symbols lol so I add bits

[wide veldt]

[cosmic tulip]

Shoulder plates, guns, blades

[granite basin]

i just had a minor epiphany and realized that halo's Covenant faction got split between the Tau and everyone else

[thin ibex]

The main thing I think of is that I love guevesa thematically; mechanically they don't really have a niche that requires their own units and models

[granite basin]

the tau got the part about a collection of disparate species fighting for a greater cause.

Everyone else got the greater cause (religion)

[floral herald]

Fun fact: the Tau are 1 month older than the Covenant

[granite basin]

i'd believe it

[thin ibex]

That and as much I like em, I don't feel a strong desire to dilute the pool of xenos with a rash of human units on the tau

[floral herald]

(October 2001 vs November 2001)

[floral herald]

I agree with this, I'm more interested in more aliums than rules for humans

[mild glen]

Oh. Gue'vasa can totally serve as more felixble infantry in the T'au ranks. Give 'em nnot-Chainswords so they have an actual melee profile and a 5+ save because "why would we give these billions of Gue'la armour?" Boom. Thematic.

[thin ibex]

I'm actually super pleased that vespid got their kill team that gives them new lease on life on people's lists

But the kroot already fill a chaff melee niche

[cosmic tulip]

I feel like thats the point

[thin ibex]

And they're actually pretty decent at it

[cosmic tulip]

In lore guevesa are valued because they're the Everyman

They can serve in almost any position given training

[wide veldt]

Anyway what we actually need is Felinids

[cosmic tulip]

Broken Sword touches on this a ton

[thin ibex]

Yeah, like a tau

They have a similar skill set to a tau, with better eyesight, more muscle mass, and too much individualism

[cosmic tulip]

The Tau also note that since Tau depth perception is poor

Humans are good for stuff that need more close range combat

Idk I'm sure there's a place for them rules wise

I feel like GW isn't keen on any human alternatives to the imperium though

Would take away marketing focus from marines

[floral herald]

I think the obvious one is psykers

[cosmic tulip]

YEAH

[thin ibex]

Mind science is the big one

[cosmic tulip]

Voice of Experience mentions that Human psykers are REALLY GOOD

and nagi can even link to psykers to make them stronger

They have psionic exosuits where the nagi inhabit tubes in the suit

[thin ibex]

Tau have even had human psykers accompany expansion fleets as subject matter experts

[cosmic tulip]

And they also explode less due to while the Tau have less of a good understanding, they do have good living conditions

I can't drag up the source rn I'm about to sleep

[mild glen]

Melee Honour Guard with a Psyker sargent,

[cosmic tulip]

But guevesa psykers would be amazing

I am slightly worried about the community reaction to guevesa anything

[thin ibex]

I'm mostly in the boat that I'd rather have a xeno psyker unit than a human one

[cosmic tulip]

But I just really want them to get recognition!

[floral herald]

I've generally assumed that the Tau just keep preexisting sanctioning infrastructure in place

[cosmic tulip]

If the Tau are going to be a multi species race

[floral herald]

Since they barely believe in mind-science

[cosmic tulip]

Humans should be there too!

Besides humans are alien enough to other xenos

[cosmic tulip]

We could have that and maybe like a limited edition single model for guevesa

We know the Tau have some renegade inquisitors in their ranks

[thin ibex]

I like guevesa, but I think human tau units just take the spotlight in a way I think is less cool considering the wealth of human screen time there already is

[mild glen]

As I've put it before: "The T'au empire has better living condtions, nto nessecarily because they believe it's a moral good, but more because it turns out if you treat your population well, it's better at doing war."

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah, I know that.

I'm just pointing out something minor.

I in no way seek to think the Tau are overall good

It's a minor lore point from an older book

(2015 might not be old I don't know)

[granite basin]

the de facto bad guys in any other setting would be the Tau

their peers are just off the shits

[cosmic tulip]

The spotlight could be different and shifted because of the context

I don't know I just want more guevesa stuff

That would be nice.

[mild glen]

Just give us a melee battlesuit with spears and say that they're often (but not always) piloted by Gue'vasa're that have been entrusted with a battlesuit. Make it an optional wargear upgrade where they get a +1 Attack or something.

[thin ibex]

There's also a level of "tau improve living conditions because why would they not? And because it enforces and solidifies their ideology. And because it is utilitarian, with a host of benefits for healthy, driven citizens

I may be in the minority but I'm also one of the tau mains who's really not down for melee crisis suits as any sort of norm

[cosmic tulip]

For me it would be nice because it would finally give that narrative opposition to the imperium

Like

[floral herald]

I don't even like the Onager

[mild glen]

I jsut want big deep striking robutt with a spear.

[cosmic tulip]

They say the imperium is not needed lore wise

But the promo materiel keeps making them in a good light

[floral herald]

Oh wait 10e removed it woo

[granite basin]

the problem is that they look really cool and are very popular

[thin ibex]

I wouldn't mind a tau crisis epic hero with a Spear but gods do I not want melee tau

[cosmic tulip]

so guevesa would be cool

[mild glen]

It's a Crusade relic now.

[cosmic tulip]

Purely as an interesting layer or alternative

[thin ibex]

I think it fits well as a crusade relic

[cosmic tulip]

I also just want to see more auxillary banter and cultures mingling

Anyways I sleep now

[floral herald]

I don't think the Imperium needs a foil honestly

[thin ibex]

To be clear I think guevesa are great narratively. I just don't think they have a board presence

[floral herald]

Like its prima facie awful

[mild glen]

Honestly, probably the "best" thing would be to sell a "Gue'vasa upgrade kit" with pulse rifles and stuff for Guardsmen.

And say that these Guards count as the approriate fire warrior

[thin ibex]

Just field humans as fire warriors with the exact same stats instead of needing them to be their own unit, yeah

[cosmic tulip]

I still really want a hero unit like broken sword with the inquisitor and his custom battlesuit

[thin ibex]

I do think it's a bit rosy of a view, when it comes to guevesa to think the tau ultimately treat them as equals; its generally noted that while tau treat client races in the empire with respect and deference, they are not equals in society

[floral herald]

If I had to make a Gue'vesa model fo the Tau I'd do something like this but with greater good symbols all over it and a psyker in the chair

As a psychic artillery unit

[mild glen]

And if you're feeling cheeky and/or greedy like maybe you're a billion dollar corporation or something, sell only one kit, have maybe five or six approrirate weapons, and force people to buy multiple sprue if they want dedicated Gue'vasa squads or just sprinkly them in with FWs.

[cosmic tulip]

Idk I can see we differ on like

General ideas for the Tau which is alright

[floral herald]

You can take the human out of the Imperium but you can't take the Imperium out of the humans being kinda the model theme

[cosmic tulip]

I just really want more auxillary stuff in general

[thin ibex]

I think we have textual examples of how Kroot, for example, are second class citizens

[cosmic tulip]

You see this could be an interesting counterpoint

[cosmic tulip]

The new kroot short story mentions they're seen as overall respected equals

Broken Sword says the humans are still a little nervous around them

[thin ibex]

But in simpler terms, a human will never be an ethereal, a kroot will never be an ethereal, etc

[cosmic tulip]

But the main character mentions some guevesa who do patrols with kroot and are apparently good friends

[thin ibex]

They'll never lead the elemental councils

[cosmic tulip]

Idk it's kinda like

[mild glen]

That all being said, T'au do have psychic polar bears and they could take some cues from AoS for cool ways to add them to the board...

[cosmic tulip]

You gotta take what good you can ya know?

And the Tau are alright

They desperately need more cool shit though

[thin ibex]

For sure, and when I say they treat them with respect and deference I meant it. They just don't treat them as true equals

[cosmic tulip]

I'm so tired of battlesuits my storage boxes can't take it

Anyways

I have differing design ideas for the Tau and why guevesa could be used as a foil or a cool new addition but yeah I see your points

Taking cues from aos could be good!

Especially cities of sigmar

[thin ibex]

I want a kroot or vespid heavy boy, to be less reliant on tau units. Even if that heavy boy has tau guns on it

[cosmic tulip]

Giant kroot dinosaur

[mild glen]

I also appreciate that the size compairson on that model very clearly uses a Space Marine shilouette

[thin ibex]

Iirc the psychic bears are pacifists are they not? Involved in non combat roles

[cosmic tulip]

GODZILLA (:<

Yeah they train human psykers

[thin ibex]

Turok esque railgun dinosaurs

[cosmic tulip]

Mentioned in 10th Ed that there's psyker academies being opened up too

[wide veldt]

are they still running with the tau using mind control btw

[thin ibex]

Or Seeker Missile mounted kroot rex

[wide veldt]

In the lore

[cosmic tulip]

There was an amazing kitbash of that a few years ago on Reddit

[cosmic tulip]

Not really

[thin ibex]

Tau mind control was never explicit canon

[mild glen]

I see "Kroot Hammerhead" conversions popping up fairly often on the Tau reddit with, like, Krootox that have railguns strapped to the back.

[thin ibex]

That was a fan thing that fans pushed hard

[wide veldt]

Thank fuck that sucked

[cosmic tulip]

The new Phil Kelly book (dude who invented mind control and Loved talking about it) doesn't mention it at all

And also

There's more Tau who are shown to question etherals and give good advice

Which is a first for Kelly

Since he pushed the grimdark Tau a lot

[thin ibex]

The Ethereals still have an enigmatic and powerful effect on tau, but it's not mind control, and they don't explain it

[cosmic tulip]

Unfortunately my friends all refuse to believe it's not canon

I told em

[floral herald]

The tau mind control thing is from Xenology which has a very unreliable narrator

[cosmic tulip]

They got mad at me (and said it was propaganda)

[mild glen]

It never was really canon. There was a theory that an Imperial Xenobiologist published in an in-universe book and several nerds have never heard of the concept of an unreliable narrator.

[wide veldt]

I’m fine with “the tau are lying about their great leader being dead”
And “the tau kinda treat some of the people in their empire as expendable”
But I love the Tau as like

Relative good guys

[thin ibex]

Like the ethereal effect is still pronounced but it was literally never mind control confirmed

[floral herald]

(He’s an adept who is desperately trying to justify his xenophilia to the Inquisition by coming up with harebrained weaknesses for aliens based on his research)

[wide veldt]

I think the ethereal effect is mostly just conditioning tbh

Like

[thin ibex]

Even in xenology the entry was unsure if it was psychic or pheromones or what

[wide veldt]

It’s hardly any more powerful than the devotion earth leaders have inspired, like the pope

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[floral herald]

He also talks about how you can kill ork (cells in agar) with common off the shelf fungicides

[cosmic tulip]

Unfortunately the memes are too strong at this point

[wide veldt]

Or even the emperor!

[cosmic tulip]

It's either mind control or dystopian stuff

[floral herald]

As another example of cope

[dense idol]

i think it's actually a very clever union of mechanics and lore that t'au units are defined by extreme long-range firepower, and auxilliary units have much more limited range which necessitates both reliance on backline support and having to face the brunt of the attack themselves

[cosmic tulip]

OH WAIT

what if guevesa could be infiltrators?

[wide veldt]

I wanna see a book where the tau are like “the emperor must emit hitler particles, its the only explanation”

[floral herald]

Xenology is a really cool book but people mistake it for accurate

[dense idol]

even if the railgun dinosaur goes hard as hell

[cosmic tulip]

Stealth units that can jack into guard tech

And repurpose it using drones!?

[thin ibex]

Oh definitely, I actually like, thematically, the reliance of auxes on tau big guns

[granite basin]

you don't Need to have mind control for the tau to be evil anyway. all you need is to show how a regime which is ostensibly full of egalitarian camaraderie is, in fact, still exploiting you but just doesn't sneer at you like everyone else

[cosmic tulip]

Or if they had tanks they could get rules to modify them with Tau weapons?

Drone pilot guevesa could be awesome!

There's that one sniper drone resin models that's out of production

Something like that? A less fully offensive role and more support or technical

Or psykers id adore psykers!

[thin ibex]

You know what I would be super down for? A Tau kill team with a mixed species group of ragtag saboteurs

Probably defaulted to a Fire caste squad leader

[dense idol]

what really grinds my gears is that sometimes it feels like all the lore is written by someone who will be summarily shot by the commissar if they have a slightly too nuanced take on any non-human civilisation

[wide veldt]

Oh but you see that’s what makes it such good satire /s

[floral herald]

Pretty much none of the lore is written in a neutral voice

Though who it glazes varies

[cosmic tulip]

I finally get to tell my idiot froend

[floral herald]

Xenology is like, just textually obviously innacurate

[cosmic tulip]

That all the memes he posted about Tau mind control are false

Thank you cyan

The kill team lore saved my ass from an eternity of the same tired memes

[floral herald]

The guy is like “fuck fuck fuck I gotta tell them SOMETHING the Imperium wants to hear” for half the book

[dense idol]

it really pisses me off when it does the "it sure does seem an awful lot like mind control but who're we to say 🤷" tone

bitch is it mind control or not, make a definitive statement for once in your life

[floral herald]

I need to find the excerpt but it’s pretty clear reading those

That the mind control allegations are because the imperium does not find it credible that the greater good is a compelling ideology to anyone

[wide veldt]

It would actually be really funny to have a propaganda book from EACH faction

Like that

[thin ibex]

I mean you know for a fact that the Imperium would be very keen to get mind control tech if they could, especially the inquisition.

[thin ibex]

I remember a strong example of "our own codex glazes us hard and people are interpreting it to mean that we are objectively better in every way" was the votann

[floral herald]

The LoV codex is pretty glazy yeah

It’s evened out more with more writing for them which is noce

[thin ibex]

Yeah I just remember some folk taking it completely at face value

[upper canopy]

I mean like

the thing is

that was all the lore we had

so you had to

[thin ibex]

While fair and true, you also had to consider that every dex glazes their chapter and that gw wasn't going to just have a "this new faction is canonically better than everyone at everything" thing going on.

Sure you only had that lore, but you had context of decades of dex releases

[floral herald]

Yeah but you also didn’t know the baseline

Which was the tricky part

[cosmic tulip]

Oh my fucking God

"they took the best grimdark bits about the Tau and removed it?

I told him mind control is no longer canon as of kill team lore

And explained why

sigh

He plays fucking necrons! He doesn't have space to talk!

This is baffling

[uneven ember]

Tau mind control was never explicitly canon.
It was always IoM sources looking at tau or their allies demonstrating loyalty or espirit de corps and going "that must be mind control"

[cosmic tulip]

It's so annoying ngl

I like my friends who play Warhammer but like

[thin ibex]

Are we talking about communion helms?

[cosmic tulip]

The nuance of Tau grimdark goes over their heads

No

Just that the kill team lore mentioned mind control pheromones aren't actually resl

[thin ibex]

Then yeah, it's never been canon, it wasn't canon before kill team and its still not canon

[cosmic tulip]

And that the Xenobiologist who wrote the study on ethereal control lied

[thin ibex]

It was a guy guessing

It was a guy trying to figure out out through his own control oriented world view

There's no mistaking the effect the Ethereals have on tau. Even Farsight, noted rebel, mentioned how things might have gone differently had an ethereal been there/ survived Arthas moloch

But we don't know how it works or why

[cosmic tulip]

It is annoying being like

"this thing is no longer canon, but opens up cool implications"

"muh grimdark!"

Tau grimdark is subtle and that's hard for people to notice

[thin ibex]

I'm surprised more people didn't get up in arms when the farsight novels undid the fan canon that farsight had the Ethereals in his expedition killed or executed them himself

[floral herald]

The kill team stuff was about communion helms if you meant what I was talking about

[cosmic tulip]

The farsight books are like

..fine? Not the best

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah I mentioned that too

He said he dislikes how theyre making the Tau too goody

[floral herald]

It doesn’t mention other stuff but it’s just about vespid

And I think kind of precludes the mind control because the Tau don’t really understand the vespid much

[thin ibex]

Sure. Though it's not quality I'm talking about, more that people insisted farsight killed his ethereals on purpose. We know now that he did not

[floral herald]

Hard to imagine being able to mind control people when you don’t know how they communicate or sense

[thin ibex]

What he did not do was immediately return to the empire after it happened, nor request a replacement

I imagine as a tau fan I will never ever stop hearing about people willfully interpreting tau in the light the most disagree with

[cosmic tulip]

It's so tiring ngl

[thin ibex]

I'll still be hearing it a decade from now

[cosmic tulip]

I got hate mail for a fanfic I wrote that had a fire warrior and Guevesa in a relationship

[floral herald]

This I don’t think is happening - the book is pretty clear that the Tau are exploiting the Vespid

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[floral herald]

But they aren’t mind controlling them

They’re just extracting their resources and using vespid as expendable commandos because they’re very hardy and can eat worse food

It’s much more “traditional imperialism”

Which I find kinda refreshing because the Tau weren’t actually empiring that hard in a lot of their lore

[cosmic tulip]

Oh hey

I didn't notice that fully yeah

That might actually convince my friend the Tau are still grimdark

[thin ibex]

The colonial imperial power that runs a well oiled propaganda machine and extreme surveillance police state with ideological enforcers and an exploitative client species system is just... "too good"

An under current that I liked in the farsight novels was that there was an accepted understanding that if you said the wrong things in places you could be heard, you'd be censured. Possibly even packed up and sent to the ass end of nowhere to be forgotten, doing something still of value to the empire

[floral herald]

With characteristic 40k subtlety

[thin ibex]

That's pretty much the second class citizenship I mentioned right there

[floral herald]

Actually this isn’t super unsubtle by 40k standards tbf

[thin ibex]

They respect their presence in the empire and their utility and shared belief. But they are not tau proper and never will be

[cosmic tulip]

I was hunting for the except thank you

I think it's also just like

So many tired memes and stuff

You can't learn the nuance of 40k through just memes

Anyways I must sleep

[upper canopy]

We actually haven't had "A new faction" entirely with no context to any of their lore pop up in like

20 years

[floral herald]

Closest was probably what? 5e Newcrons?

[south axle]

I miss the Knarlocs

[thin ibex]

I forget, were knarlocs and greater knarlocs forgeworld?

I never owned any

[south axle]

Ye

They also made an appearance in the Dawn of War games iirc

In 7th they were all fast attack choices it seems, but in 8th Greater Knarlocs moved to Heavy Support

[arctic lynx]

oops, you got deployed to Fi'draah

5e Newcrons were closer to the Squats into Votann transition than a new race imo.
They both did the thing where our previous view of the faction was an outlier/misunderstanding and the big major faction starts showing up.

[untold swallow]

I have a possibly heretical idea for how a chapter deploys Terminators

They're treated merely as a specialization of armor type, like the umbrella of Gravis, Tacticus, or Phobos units, and the 'Crux Terminatus' equivalent just involves general veterancy status in the first company

[arctic lynx]

I mean that sounds about right. The main difference is that you normally earn the Crux before bein allowed to wear it and that's more because of scarcity and training.

I think Iron Hands even used to have Termie sergeants (they flip flop between having a surplus or shortage of Terminator armour each edition)

[ebon forge]

I saw this meme and wanted to ask what is up with those white scars with black armor

[upper canopy]

Huh

Dunno

[ebon forge]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ebon_Keshig found it! I quite like the color scheme

[arctic lynx]

Ebon Keshigs, they're one of the sub-formations of the Heresy Era White Scar terminators. The Keshigs were the Khan's personal bodyguard, while the Ebon Keshig were those atoning for loss of honour and serving as bodyguards for other fronts.

[ebon forge]

Thank you!

[arctic lynx]

Heresy era termies are pretty cool, every legion has their own unique type.
(They also all have some subformation or other with a different scheme and focus, like the Imperial Fists having the black clad Templar Brethren)

[untold swallow]

I could go the even funnier route

Since their normal order of battle (my normal list for them) doesn't have any

They could just

Not have any

[jaunty dawn]

the deathwing bladeguard are very controversial

without really any like, resolution

[arctic lynx]

I guess the resolution is that they're first company vets and thus get the first company colour scheme.

I could see them having a suit of MkX which they use for Bladeguard stuff, and the signature Termie armour for operations that need it.

[jaunty dawn]

i mean the thing is the traditional solution is that theyd be company veterans

for dangels

but yeah idk the paint scheme fucks so

[arctic lynx]

I think they're doing that with the Sternguard and doing the Deathwing Knight thing for Bladeguard?

[arctic lynx]

Most important part.

[mental birch]

Heresy era suicide unit that's very funny

[sweet solar]

still better treatment than you get as human class citizens in the imperium tbh

thinkin about it "we will spend your lives with honour to inprove the situation, not just kill you all for no reason in a pointless battle" isnt just an improvement to the best situation humans get under the imperium as planetery governors, inquisitors and great hero generals still get their lives spent for nothing occasionally.

Thats humans under the tau being granted the same honours as space marines.

[jaunty dawn]

kroot are different to reg auxilia

like thats why the tau dont do anything about. anything the kroot do really

and the tau are different for the kroot too, they're besties

like with vespids its like neutron crystals fuck but you need vespids to use them safely, so really vespids are just an extension of the weapon design at its most base

but kroot are brosssss

oh ratlings can take ogryns just dont come with them????

[pine matrix]

Apparently so! Is that the first time a kill team has had an option not in the box?

[floral herald]

No it’s happened before

The old Blooded box didn’t come with the commissar or mutant ogryn

I think the current Brood Bros box is also missing the fancy guys like the Patriarch

[solemn gull]

I think they should re-release 2nd edition imagine how unhinged tournaments would be

[jaunty dawn]

better comparison is blades of khaine (initial release was only striking scorpions) and hierotek circle (initial release was only technomancer)

also phobos (initial release doesnt contain reivers)

there are more teams that their standalone release hasnt made a full team, like agents, but thats the like

teams with options that require bringing in new models to replace the default ones

[pine matrix]

Huh, fair enough

[thin ibex]

There's a ratling kill team?

[jaunty dawn]

revealed saturday

[thin ibex]

oh wow

well let me go ahead and be excited now instead

for some reason i cant look at warhammer community; but maybe its fixed

was getting 500 errors

[floral herald]

Can also take Ogryns and Bullgryns

Also in the box

[cosmic tulip]

Do I get a devilfish or the Archmagos prime

I cannot decide

[thin ibex]

oh my lord

both the kill teams are actually super cool

is the wrecka team the spiritual replacement for tank bustas?

[floral herald]

Most likely!

[thin ibex]

but the fact taht you can bring some ogryns too is wild and crazy and cool

[floral herald]

I’m hyped for it

Also non-Astartes elite team!

[thin ibex]

oh you meaning the wreckas? or the ratlings?

I dont see in the text about bringing ogryns but that seems real neat

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yk1xvxpw/storm-volkus-with-orks-and-ratlings-in-the-latest-kill-team-expansion/

It’s in here

Specifically here

[thin ibex]

ohh i missed that cause i was looking at normal text and not the card text

ty

[floral herald]

I’m super stoked for these boxes

[thin ibex]

ratling kill teams clear indication of a ratling class coming to darktide /cope

yeah they're super cool

both teams legitimately seem sick

[floral herald]

It can’t hurt their odds anyway

[jaunty dawn]

i love the little tripmines

[arctic lynx]

Don't forget the special new mini

Kill Team has been the best line for cool revisits of past ideas.

I'm really hoping they use it as an excuse to give us minor xenos races and the like in the same way Warhammer Underworlds and the Chaos skirmish game fleshed out of a lot of Age of Sigmar.

Tarellian Dog Soldier and Morallian Deathsworn kill teams when

[thin ibex]

would be a cool spot to dig into regimental units

yeah

[hybrid oyster]

I hope the new ratling squad is decent to take compareable to the vindicare

[pine matrix]

Hrud kill team when (jk.....unless?)

[thin ibex]

i feel like there are probably gonna be big differences between a squad of snipers and a vindicare

in terms of capability and so on

[arctic lynx]

Please give me hope

[cosmic tulip]

The urge to make gue’vesa ratlings is strong

And hilarious

[spice flicker]

So in the crusade I'm organizing (and waiting for the new dataslate to release before starting,) i have a planet that is a forgeworld that was once second only to Mars before a warpstorm cut off the entire sector for about 10000 years. The forgeworld is also shrouded away and hidden until a "key" can be forged (parts for a key are replacing Blackstone fragments) and not even the forces of chaos can entered without a key. I had a friend mention trying to find some sci-fi skaven models for tabletop simulator and that gave me an idea. What if I just had the forgeworld be overrun by AOS Skaven [took the wrong gnawhole to skavenblight) at some point and so the battles to take the forge world now involve duking it out with Skaven in 40k. What do you think of this idea?

[unreal cosmos]

I think it's an idea some people will love and some might find off-putting, so depends on the group

[cosmic tulip]

Hmm

Devilfish or Archmagos

[past sphinx]

Replace scaven with hrud

They're the proper equivalent

[cosmic tulip]

Hmm

What’s more important overall? Having a warlord or a transport?

[upper bluff]

Technically you need a warlord

But any character can fill that role

[spice flicker]

I did consider the hrud since the background for the crusade is taking a lot of inspiration from the forges of Mars series such as an ark mechanicus serving as a mobile command hub for imperial forces and the ad Mech leading the crusade in search of this Forge world.

[upper canopy]

Skaven are an underclass of rat mutants

[cosmic tulip]

Only have an enginseer so far

[upper bluff]

Are you using the devilfish for kit bashing? Cause your question sounds like building 2 different armies

[cosmic tulip]

No just for my tau

Neither my admech nor tau have transports

[upper bluff]

I would probably get the devilfish for now

Breachers + devilfish is a time honored combo

[thin ibex]

its a very cool and synergistic combo

breachers are cool

i do find it unfortunate that strike teams with carbines is a off pick/flavor choice

[cosmic tulip]

I should probably like

Fix my guevesa breaches

None of them have left hands due to not using the hands that gripped the shotguns

[thin ibex]

its after the fact, but i do wish i build my strike team with carbines; fits the urban setting i imagine my sept being in better

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/emwattnot/status/1843267553617154079

[pine matrix]

That's so good

Not that the Emperor was capable of humour, I fear, but it'd be great if he was

[valid brook]

Did anybody clock whether the “ratling sniper team having a picnic” is a Wh+ exclusive mini or what

Last time I really wanted one of the Wh+ exclusives, I paid maybe a bit more than I’d admit on ebay

[jaunty dawn]

nah it's the christmas mini

red gobbo equiv

[runic swallow]

Better order it now though if you want one

Or whenever it’s available

Since there’s always a rush on exclusives

[valid brook]

Alas, many such cases

[cosmic tulip]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/vcuhqo/excerpt_broken_sword_inquisitor_on_why_he_joined/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I love broken sword

I do like the new lore that has a basic hierarchy for the usefulness of each auxiliary

It’s like niscassar, Kroot, human, nagi, Votann, tarellian, vespid

Based on how well they fit into the multicultural empire and how well they can perform roles as a group

[arctic lynx]

I like how the most potent authority figures, and also the most willing to join, tend to be Inquisitors.
They're already the ones most aware about how fuck-awful the Imperium is as they have to go around and sort out the myriad stack of problems the Imperium deals with

[uneven ember]

(It was played as a joke but I did love Inquisitor Weabou in the All Guardsman Party)

[cosmic tulip]

Broken sword and Voice of Experience are my favorite 40k books

[tardy vault]

So, there was a Warhammer academic conference recently and they uploaded all the talks on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/@WarhammerConference

[arctic lynx]

My favourite Inquisitor to Tau talk is the one where an apprentice Interrogator is talking to Farsight.

In Fire & Ice

[floral herald]

https://x.com/_jyggalag_/status/1843012351257358357?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Princess Jyggalag of the Black Library (@_Jyggalag_) on X

thousand sons combat patrol
looks inside
six sons

Twitter · Oct 6, 2024, 7:36 PM

[tardy vault]

You will buy Tzaangors.

[tepid stratus]

I mean, I have. They're actually good in AOS lol

And because of 40k players I got them dirt cheap

[tardy vault]

Speaking of, SCE are calling to me

The new RoR they got is sick

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/96Fs3Zf0/iridan-the-witness-brings-the-power-of-the-bleak-raven-to-the-stormcast-eternals/

[spice flicker]

Why does the new dark angels box seem so tempting?

[rocky shale]

It has all the cool DA units

[cosmic tulip]

Being nonbinary just means large axe

[tardy vault]

Also means you get a mask that turns into the face of the person you're executing.

[ebon forge]

Have you ever saw a tactic tip that made you go "ooooooooh" and improved how you play immediatly ?

[past sphinx]

you know

i wonder if Sigismund isnt from one of the lost legions

[remote wharf]

Thought it was a cool axegun, but giant magic axe still cool.

[tardy vault]

I love the ability where you just kill a dude and peace out

Also this is really cool imo

[soft willow]

Iridan is like 90% of the reason I'm buying into AoS now.

[untold swallow]

While many Marines, thanks to the Omophagea, are capable of consuming the flesh of their enemies to gain their knowledge and last thoughts, the Blades Contemplative take this capability to a ritual extreme. The final trial an Initiate goes through before becoming a full Blade is a trial undertaken as a squad; the Communing of the Flesh. This sacred rite involves the squad being tasked with the ritual consumption of the body of a fallen Blade. Once the corpse has been completely consumed, each Initiate is taken to be individually interrogated by an Interrogator-Chaplain or Interrogator-Librarian. Should any member of the squad falter and reveal the contents of the consumed’s final thoughts, the entire squad is summarily executed and stricken from the records of the Chapter. Should all resist, they are inducted as full Blades, and assigned to a Company as the needs of the Chapter dictate.Cannibal Sword Catholics, Go!

[mild glen]

... As I near the last kit of my first 40k army, I find myself again going back and forth between "zombois and skellyfriends" or "vaguely unsettling Cavalry with glaives and/or horse bows"

[lofty warren]

skeleton cavalry

[mild glen]

They don't have cool glaives or recurves.

There's actually zero Cool Archers in SBGL, and it's upsetting

[lofty warren]

fucked up

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this Deathwing list?

[untold swallow]

I personally think it's probably gonna be too slow for its own liking?

[spice flicker]

Trying to make a list to face off against a friend in a bit who is using gsc

[untold swallow]

Then depending this is completely fine

Watch out for melta and vehicular batteries but otherwise

It's a bunch of fucking terminators against genestealer cultists XD

[spice flicker]

Since it's a friendly game I'm tempted to try one of these two out as an alternative. Whatcha think?

[cosmic tulip]

So conflicted

transport for my tau or automatons and warlord for my ADMECH

I can get my admech up to about 1k with armigers

Tau I get to 925

[floral herald]

I’d avoid a skew list for a friendly one off

[past sphinx]

a transport can carry breachers

witch means you can have more breachers

and you can shoot things with breachers