Warhammer and Such

[spice flicker]

Eldrad was because he wants as many miracle dice as possible and I think that was the only reason he was taking him.

[rocky shale]

Eldrad is OK but he'd be better off taking some guardians to sit on home objective

They'll usually generate more dice

Eldrad generally wants to be used for shenanigans with doom

[floral herald]

I think the AoK is a fair shake its just an epic hero so you can't get 2

But its also a Very Eldar Very Centerpiece model

[rocky shale]

It's one of our few anvil pieces

[floral herald]

yeah

[rocky shale]

And an overwatch that can pop tanks with a fate die

[floral herald]

Like I'd feel a little weird about taking a bunch of the CSM Epic Heroes because I have a real nice roster of generics to use with a lot of power and flexibility

Shit the Chaos Lord with Plasma Pistol and Hammer is like, the most common competitive CSM character haha

[rocky shale]

I really hope they let autarch lead aspects or something so you don't just have to stick every hero with guardians

[floral herald]

yeah yes please

I miss the old "you just need to match unit type" rule for attaching characters

Since it was super flexible

[rocky shale]

Every autarch that can lead a unit can't lead something with better than close combat weapons, despite having a really good melee profile

[jagged dawn]

We should really see about buying more HH books since I believe we only have the first 3/4

https://x.com/mick19988/status/1841020005225541749?s=46&t=oWW_NnXMz5xZU9SUUTq01g

Mick (@Mick19988) on X

"This death is ours. We choose it.
We deny you your victory."

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Also the Horus Heresy death guard scheme is just peak

[rocky shale]

"I will attach the bike autarch with lance to my windriders" -statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[thin ibex]

Doesn't be generate cp's?

He*

[rocky shale]

He does, but so does every other autarch, and the bike autarch has no synergy with the windriders he can attach to

Winged autarch is substantially better than both other options because it has lone op

[thin ibex]

Yeah I suppose I'm that case the only reason to do it is because you like jet bikes and think the biketarch looks cool

Seems a bit similar to the nid prime with wings and gargoyles. Could use them as a delivery system/ Ablative wounds I guess

[rocky shale]

Its more that it cant lead shining spears despite having a lance

[jaunty dawn]

that does suck

feels kinda weird autarchs can't join aspect warriors

cause they don't really have a huge leader buff, and it's not like they wanted aspect warriors to have no buffs at all cause they have phoenix lords

really feels like they should be able to join as long as they have a matching piece of equipment to show theyve done that temple

[jaunty dawn]

they take away our x so they can sell it back to us etc

(they do knda fuck though)

(and don't melta spam, so)

[mental birch]

Ooooh

Vespid finally have normal uppy downy

[pulsar cairn]

a while ago someone showed me a bit in a dark angels book where one of them fell down some stairs started cursing and the other brothers laughed at the situation

[jaunty dawn]

aaaaaa

spooky skully

[pulsar cairn]

yes

imma get u

[tardy vault]

...Darken Angle did what?

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8753o3/book_excerpt_master_of_sanctity_space_marine/

[thin ibex]

Sometimes the world they interact with is not built to support them. I legit think that's a great excerpt

[pine matrix]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jBTGUXaj/heresy-thursday-hack-and-maim-with-new-legiones-astartes-melee-weapons/ pretty good selection, depending on the price, though no chain axes??

[jaunty dawn]

THE PROPHECISED ONE

let's seeee

two sprues

box seems the same size as this

so however much this in your local currency

that's my guess

(til the heavy weapons arms come with little wrist augury scanners like out of Aliens, thats dope!?)

[pine matrix]

Yo two upgrade kits announced at once?

[jaunty dawn]

nah this one's been out

just for comparison, the proportions match so likely same size

ooh slung boltgun

and melta bomb!!!

[pine matrix]

Oh riiiight

[jaunty dawn]

and heads!!!!

12 bolt pistols total

ooh and a new sheathed chainsword, though not 10 like the old mk3 kit ;P

pretty happy with this tbh!

[pine matrix]

It's a heck of a lot

[jaunty dawn]

the mk3 vambraces setup remain the coolest thing ever

tacticool hands!!!!!!

this is a goldmine

21 different arms...

basically every angle you could ask for

I just wish we get mk7/8 in this system one day

[floral herald]

Oh damn

I love the way HH approaches modeling and such

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like

idk if anyone is doing it like them tbh????

that I've ever heard of anyway, to this extent

as more kits come out

[pine matrix]

Even though I'm sad theres not chainaxes this is so much stuff I'm stoked about it

[runic swallow]

Tactical knife hands too! So you can gesture authoritatively and tactically during PowerPoints!

(Is that too niche of a joke?)

[jaunty dawn]

yeah!!!!

maybe

I don't know if I got it

[bright dove]

SovietWomble recognized

[runic swallow]

No, it’s more just a general military thing where it’s a thing to authoritatively gesture with knife hands at meetings and such

[jaunty dawn]

tacticool hands!!!

[past sphinx]

lord i do not need an HH army

[valid brook]

Knife hands on the sprue suggests a possible future release including knife hand holsters

[past sphinx]

but i am tempted

pockets

[valid brook]

(pockets)

[past sphinx]

HA

[cosmic tulip]

Got some triarch pratorians

What’s a good way to kitbash with Skitarii?

[past sphinx]

What are you trying to build

[cosmic tulip]

I’m not sure ngl

[past sphinx]

then you should begin there

[cosmic tulip]

Its leftover bits from a friend

Mostly the hands with spears

[past sphinx]

secutarii maybe'

they defend titans from boarding attacks and notably use spears

[cosmic tulip]

Aren’t they legends?

[past sphinx]

doesnt change anything

their still cool and they got rules

[jaunty dawn]

just dont play with squares

necrons are a fair bit bigger than skitarii though, unfortunately

decent theme basing material :)

[past sphinx]

if someone gets weird about using legends in a casual game their typically not someone worth playing with anyway

[floral herald]

GW posting some OCs

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/AqM8rD4f/the-road-to-kessendras-how-to-run-narrative-warhammer-events/

(In Vox Localum)

That’s a funny one

[cosmic tulip]

NONBINARY SWEEP

[past sphinx]

Good lads these

[finite compass]

Dakka

[tardy vault]

Snake nearly done

Also, an attempt at eyes was made

[jaunty dawn]

i love

[tardy vault]

The final step is some Jade on the bow

But my pot of that won't be in until next week

[thin ibex]

weird question, but are votann generally stronger in boarding actions

[dense idol]

i have once again succumb to the sinister lure of pretty plastic

i think i will order the new kill team starter box, to split with my friend for their birthday in november

compared a couple of different retailers but i don't think i'll find anywhere doing much cheaper than the £145 RRP

at least as a preorder

i did find a couple of places trying to pull the classic fast one over me of "15% cheaper than RRP! (not including 20% VAT)"

[thin ibex]

Different question, are the biggest titans still supposed to be people sized compared to 40k's scale or has that since been not a thing?

[past sphinx]

People sized?

[floral herald]

Roughly yeah

[thin ibex]

As in like the biggest titans are scaled as if a human was standing at the table

Or, theoretically you could cosplay a titan and be correctly scaled for 40k

[past sphinx]

Its closeish

Warhound is the best

[mild glen]

Get in, boiz, we're playing a 2,000 point game on the wreckage of a Titan.

[past sphinx]

i reckon you could get a solid 1000pts on a that superhuge boy

the one they made instead of giving me a goddamn imperitor

[finite compass]

Titan scale is inconsistent

[past sphinx]

somewhere out there is a badly supplied forge world making titans at 1/3 scale

and an over supplied forge world building titans twice the size of the standard pattern

[finite compass]

Anyway

Dies Irae is one we actually have a set measure for at 43m tall

Which in 28mm scale would be about 1.5m

Or 5 feet

[past sphinx]

witch one

i feel like ive read about 3 different traitor titans with that moniker who all get blown up

[finite compass]

Dies Irae. Imperator Class, breached the walls of the Imperial Palace during the Horus Heresy

Got blown up 10,000 years later

[past sphinx]

that the day of wrath

i bet theres a knife fight everytime someone at black library names a titan

[finite compass]

But yes. Size is wildly inconsistent

[uneven ember]

I feel like that could be the second tagline for 40K
right after all that "grim darkness" stuff

[tired cairn]

Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of nonsensical numbers, and the confusion of inconsistent sizes.

[past sphinx]

a terrible future designed by architects and also built by architects

[uneven ember]

poetry

[past sphinx]

can i just say, all the little claws growing on CSM armor panels look dumb and are annoying as sin to paint

[floral herald]

Yeah CSM are so detail encrusted its hard to batch paint them

And the little details make them feel kinda never ending to paint

[pastel rampart]

Yeah like, honestly as much as I think current CSM models look rad they seem miserable to paint in a way older models weren't.

Granted if you're going for that proper grimdark look you can cheat (A LOT) using oil washes.

[floral herald]

I am liking these narrative characters

from here https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/AqM8rD4f/the-road-to-kessendras-how-to-run-narrative-warhammer-events/

[untold swallow]

I wish there was more variety in force weapons that wasn’t locked behind being part of Matt Ward’s Specialest Marines

[thin ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slknS_-kmUo This seems cool

[past sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y7Faoa9o4Q

a second, equally incredible HH battle report has struck the internet

[runic swallow]

Not only do I just love these videos of experts in various things giving their takes on media depictions of their field, but it’s especially delightful that it’s very clear that between the last video this guy was on for Gamespot and this one that he’s fallen head first into being a 40k fan: https://youtu.be/wcVJbC0OvnQ

[past sphinx]

hes angy

[uneven ember]

I like the greens

[cosmic tulip]

heretical laughter

[cosmic tulip]

Got my macro lens for this lmao

[upper bluff]

That is a crisp Skitarii

[upper bluff]

Seriously I am in awe of that visor

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah I need to paint faster lol

I wanna actually play with a painted army but it’s taking me a while

[upper bluff]

Listen it took me like 2 weeks to do 3 kataphron

Time is one of the many prices admech pys

[past sphinx]

are you priming before you paint?

[cosmic tulip]

yes

[past sphinx]

what primer are you using?

[cosmic tulip]

Mechanicus grey

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282885341504077825/1291593698399883316/unknown-3.png?ex=6700a9de&is=66ff585e&hm=bed0eee7ca69faf08edf90aece4a1410eacde140f656c96993d2ff9ebe27c2fa&

[runic swallow]

Putting an all new meaning to “tap, rack, bang”

[grand vigil]

Looking at kruleboyz and would

Ike wow

[floral herald]

lol

[pulsar cairn]

Were the other dark angels successor chapters also hunting for fallen?

[bright dove]

Yes

[pulsar cairn]

So they are more united than most

Think the Lion would have enough authority to just get some of these chapters under his command if needed?

[floral herald]

Anyone wanna play some TTS kill team this evening or tomorrow? I’m itching to do some stuff in the new edition

[floral herald]

Definitely

One of the things the Imperium doesn’t trust about the DA is how closely the successors work together

[pulsar cairn]

neat

probably super easy for the lion to do that then, since they already work together a lot

[floral herald]

Yeah relatively easy

Though things are sort of tense between Lion and the Unforgiven

[pulsar cairn]

is that a different DA chapter?

[floral herald]

It’s the collective term for the dark angels and their successors

[pulsar cairn]

Oh i see

they didnt like the whole thing where he accepted some of the fallen back into the legion right?

[untold swallow]

Absolutely, the chapters of the Dark Angels are basically a Legion in a trenchcoat

[floral herald]

No it wasn’t popular at all and he’s elevated some of them into his inner circle

[untold swallow]

Their chapter masters are all part of an organization called

well the Inner Circle XD

[noble canyon]

(Psssst, I DMed ya)

[untold swallow]

And all the successor chapter masters are to some degree subservient to the chapter master of the Dark Angels themselves, termed the Grand Master

I would be surprised if the Lion doesn't basically pull a 'Thanks for keeping the seat warm, boys' and just

reinstates the legion

Cuz 1. Guilliman and Dante have kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind of semi-pulled the same stunt with their respective chapters and successors and 2. who tf is gonna stop him

[floral herald]

He hasn’t - he’s fairly distant from the DA and has kept it that way

The DA codex has more details on how he’s doing stuff now

[thin ibex]

I suspect Lion respects G man and as his only brother around I don't think he's gonna A. reform the legion in his face and say fuck you to the codex or B. Take over direct command over the DA or the DA successors

[untold swallow]

shrugs my counterargument to that is that at least lately

much hay has been made over Guilliman agonizing over the fact that he's probably going to have to break his own rules

Which to be clear, I think is interesting

[thin ibex]

iirc Lion at the moment is still doing the teleporting hero thing; and generally does not deign to interact with imperial hierarchies; bypassing them to deal directly with local soldiers or civs

[untold swallow]

I think one of two things is going to happen, either Dante or el'Jonson do it first and give Guilliman the kick in the ass he needs to do it, or Guilliman does it first at which point all bets are off

[thin ibex]

Reforming legions? I disagree, but im happy to wait and see

Also the wolves are right there, and G man has met with Logan iirc

hes also met with helbrecht, and has not formed a legion out of the ultramarines, whom he has not taken direct command of

calgar still leads em

[untold swallow]

I am willing to bet that we are going to see a Legion reform at some point soon

[thin ibex]

why's that, out of curiosity? Cause I dont see that at all

[untold swallow]

Because both Hive Fleet Leviathan and the Great Rift present a threat that's on par with the Heresy

[thin ibex]

mm i dont see it

[untold swallow]

There's a firebreak of dead worlds surrounding Segmentum Solar to try and keep Leviathan out

That's pretty desperate

and half the Imperium is cut off from the other half

[floral herald]

Reforming a legion is more of a political statement than a military one since they have 10,000 years of practice at join operations

[thin ibex]

i just dont see how specifically forming a legion is a solution to the problem

yeah

[floral herald]

Though quietly the Imperial Fists are actually the closest thing to a legion they’re just kinda sneaky with it

[untold swallow]

And the dark angels have 10,000 years of practice at being a Legion in all but name lol

[thin ibex]

the space wolves have just been a legion the whole time

[floral herald]

The DA are actually less legion-y than the fists in most respects - it’s kind of been a big idk “fan expansion” but it’s more like a conspiracy uniting them at the upper leadership - they still maintain their own recruitment and supply pipelines

[untold swallow]

Also there was a lot of legwork and mixing required on G-man's part to make the Unnumbered Sons not a Legion

[thin ibex]

also robby g is lord regent of the entire imperium, i dont think he has the room to also take on being the leader of a reformed ultramarines legion

[floral herald]

While the fists don’t talk about it but also run centralized recruitment operations successor-wide

Partially because they’re disastrous losses enjoyers albeit

[thin ibex]

i do wonder if lion will also go visit daddy dearest

[floral herald]

He kinda already has

[untold swallow]

It would be cool, but for some reason I doubt he's going to visit Terra

[thin ibex]

in the forest walk realm?

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s where he got the Emperor’s Shield

[thin ibex]

"My son, take my stuff, its like... laying there not doing anything. I dont even like it really. You can have it if you want it"

[untold swallow]

oh wait is that shield in his model the Emperor's?

[thin ibex]

yeah

[untold swallow]

Huh

Also

[thin ibex]

its how he made the comeback during the angron fight

[untold swallow]

S y m b o l i s m ™️

[thin ibex]

cause he wasn't winning initially, then started thinking like a hunter instead of a duelist

[untold swallow]

one son the sword, the other the shield, I woooooonder what this could meeeeeaaaaaan

[thin ibex]

and used forest walk shenanigans

I still think the most compelling argument for the 3 or 4 armed emperor is the emperors shield, the emperors sword, the emperors talon

and iirc theres an emperors spear too isnt there?>

[tired cairn]

Genestealer cults vindicated

[thin ibex]

obviously a skeptic might say the emperor never wielded them all at once, and of course hed have just a lot of shit lying around, hes old af

BUT

3 to 4 armed emperor

[pulsar cairn]

If dorn is alive and comes back he's probably getting the claw

[untold swallow]

man I wish dorn had a thunder hammer instead of his eviscerator

[thin ibex]

replace his missing hand

tbh i do strongly respect dorn being a chainsword lover

it is underpresented in the highest eschelons of primarchdom

[untold swallow]

I mean I also like chainswords

But like

[thin ibex]

personally i think he should have had The Imperial Fist™️

[untold swallow]

idk, the Fists feel distantly like an adaptation of the Imperial army from Fantasy into space

and the Empire's higher ranks loved themselves some hammers

[pulsar cairn]

I thought the emperor had a power fist but from what u said it doesnt seem like that's the case

[thin ibex]

make the imperial fist some sort of archeotech, dark age of nonsense, mythisized voodoo power fist

[untold swallow]

The Emperor had

a weird fuckin

[thin ibex]

yeah, emperor used lightning claw

[untold swallow]

lightning claw?

thing

[thin ibex]

the emperors talon

cause eagles

[untold swallow]

oh that's what that is

[pulsar cairn]

Caw

[floral herald]

Dorn is probably not coming back

[untold swallow]

prolly not lmao

[floral herald]

Or at least, probably not coming back to lead the imperial fists

[thin ibex]

No dorn in secret centurion armor as emperors favorite lil guy?

[floral herald]

I hold out some interest/hope for a black legion corrupted Chaos Dorn

[thin ibex]

That's the thing, I don't think any of hte primarchs are explicitly coming back to lead their chapters/ legions specifically

I'm somewhat holding out hope for chaos leman, and the wolves having to tangle with that

though i do think chaos leman would still have major beef with magnus

but i suspect if leman comes back as a character and model, he will probably not be chaos

because thatd be unpopular with the wolves audience at large

[untold swallow]

Chaos Leman would be delicious schadenfreude for me, personally, as a Dark Angels and Space Magic Enjoyer

[thin ibex]

I'm a space wolves fan, i just think itd be a narratively interesting turn of events

[untold swallow]

I mean it would, and part of me likes the Wolves

Also it would make the Lion and the Wolf Round 2 happen

[tired cairn]

If they make a chaos loyalist, would they make a redeemed traitor?

[untold swallow]

And I think we all wanna see that

I mean they kind of have

[tired cairn]

Or are all of the traitor primarchs accounted for?

[untold swallow]

The Lion has forgiven some Fallen

Oh you mean a primarch

[tired cairn]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

as ever, my money is on leman

[untold swallow]

...

[thin ibex]

i saw some fan fic hopes and dreams that mortarion might be redeemed, get purified by imperial fire

which would be neat, buti doubt it

[untold swallow]

someone's definitely called Leman 'Lemon' before

[tired cairn]

I think money wise, I'd be surprised if they made a traitor version of a loyalist primarch lol

[tired cairn]

The problem is that he has a model lol

[thin ibex]

the biggest argument against morty going loyal somehow is that the model- yeah

its already around

[untold swallow]

oh yeah haven't the returned sons fought a chaos primarch apiece?

[thin ibex]

i do think if they keep doing the returned primarchs thing, they should totally like... spotlight a less covered chapter like raven guard or white scars

[untold swallow]

Big G fought Big M, Big L fought Big A

[thin ibex]

Big G fought both Lorgar, Angron, and Morty

[untold swallow]

I would want Scars personally

Like

Give 'em bike units, GW

c'mon

[thin ibex]

not both, all 3 xD

[floral herald]

They aren’t at least not in modern activities or lore

[thin ibex]

and lion fought angron

[bright dove]

My wild theory/pipe dream is that the next primarch for chaos and Imperium is Fulgrim. :p

[tired cairn]

Knowing GW, they would put the white scars primarch on foot lol

[floral herald]

Perturabo, Lorgar, and Fulgrim are unaccounted for

[untold swallow]

There is actually one circumstance where this would be based

[thin ibex]

Robby G Million had to fight Angron and Lorgar at the same time, then fought Morty, lost and died, then got resurrected, and beat Morty.
Lion fought Angron, was losing, did some forest walking, found a neat shield, and won

[untold swallow]

He can lead bike units and is as fast as the unit he currently leads

[floral herald]

Redeemed Fulgrim would be funny

The confusing mirror writing never ends

[untold swallow]

Tell me that wouldn't be cool, Shield

XD

[tired cairn]

It would be pretty funny

[thin ibex]

Redeemed purty would be funny, I feel like itd almost just be a change of decor for him

[tired cairn]

They probably won't make a primarch a leader (ironically), but making him run fast would be pretty good

[thin ibex]

Jaghatai just runs faster than the bikes

[untold swallow]

Call the buff 'The Winds of Chogoris' or something, idk

man

Now I wanna do something weird

[thin ibex]

would he be a leader or a monster though thats the question

[tired cairn]

I think they didn't intend monsters to lead, hence the hilarious bug with zoanthroapes and big guns never tire

[untold swallow]

and make a Dark Angels/White Scars combined successor

[bright dove]

It's funny because Trazyn has an uncorrupted clone of Fulgrim in his collection.

[untold swallow]

pffff

[thin ibex]

cause Robby G is a leader, Lions a monster

[untold swallow]

on the tabletop it'd just be Dark Angels cuz the Angels are the ones with bikes <XD

That's

That's a little sad

[uneven ember]

Counterpoint: "reform the Legion" is taking away opportunities for hobbyists to make up funny little guys with cool back stories and funny little color schemes and that is the opposite of what 40K fluff is for

[tired cairn]

Oh, you mean rules archetype. Not unit type

[thin ibex]

I mean, i think, sadly, the best way to play white scars right now is to play ravenwing dark angels and pretend

which i dislike

a lot

[tired cairn]

(Because all of the primarchs are monsters and not leaders iirc)

[uneven ember]

"Jagati the Walker"

[untold swallow]

iirc Legions had formations called Chapters, just let current Chapters preserve their livery and introduce rules about mixed chapter units in the same Legion if there are successors with their own rules

[floral herald]

Oh yeah there’s like 2-3 ways for it to happen and a number of them let snerson daemon Fulgrim stick around

[bright dove]

Yeee

I'd love both being around because it's rad

[untold swallow]

Their duel would just be reading each other between sword strikes

random question

Do Space Marines have a mechanism to like

[spice flicker]

I had a friend who was interested in running a rogue trader campaign with a major plot point being centered around this clone and transporting him to Imperial space. I advised that as soon as word of the clone's existence spreads and is associated with the crew to have the Emperor's Children, Iron Hands, Ultramarines, and another group all be interested in catching up to the rogue trader for one reason or another. There is also that one Imperial fist successor chapter that are totally not Emperor's Children successors that he was interested in using.

[untold swallow]

Overload their power packs and set off a suicide explosion?

[floral herald]

No

The power packs are so stable I think the writers forget they’re power sources a lot

[untold swallow]

lmao

[floral herald]

I genuinely can’t think of an example of one exploding

They do get shot and lose power sometimes

[spice flicker]

Ultramarines are after us because Robute is nervous about a clone of fulfgrim existing in the imperium and his sons might want revenge for Fulgrim putting Robute to sleep for 10000 years. Iron hands will want to try and kill Clonegrim to avenge Ferrus Manus even if Clonegrim is loyal. Emperor's Children reasoning is fairly obvious I would presume.

[thin ibex]

its ok if theres ever a robby g/fulgrim rematch, this time robby g can resurrect

[past sphinx]

I coukd swear I've read of power packs overloading and being used as explosives

Early cain or gaunt novels probably

I think its in the traitors hand but I can't be sure

[pulsar cairn]

Yall talked about a chaos corrupted leman earlier, but i think it would be more interesting if he turned into something similar to Corvux corax, not necessaraly chaos corrupted but Warp mutated

[fervent coral]

clonegrim is stuck in trazyn's museum tho

[fervent coral]

werewolf: the 40k apocalypse

[pulsar cairn]

He goes bork

[fervent coral]

to be fair he said that he would return during the wolf times

are the wolf times the apocalypse? is this a crossover with world of darkness? who knows

idk if I already posted my crackhead idea on how to push forward the story but

[spice flicker]

I know and the fruend was thinking of us being invited by trayzn to visit when something happens that allows clomegrim to escape with us.

[past sphinx]

From the wiki (albeit unsourced)

These power packs can also be "overcharged", a trick used by Imperial Guard veterans, which causes the pack to explode, turning the weapon into a makeshift grenade.

SECOND TANITH BOOK

[thin ibex]

That'd be cool too I think yeah

[fervent coral]

after the nids i think the next bad guy will be fulgrim, since he tried to kill robot gorillacan he will surely come back with round two, this will give an emperor children range refresh and put the spotlight on the Iron Hands since he literally killed ferrus manus. also make ferrus return as the primarch of the damned legion

[past sphinx]

He killed a chaos dread with one

Mad bastard

[thin ibex]

Make orks the next big bad again, make ghaz narratively impactful in this Era of primarchs

[fervent coral]

war of the beast pt 2

this time with more WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[floral herald]

I was talking about the backpack power units for power armor

[pulsar cairn]

If orks do become a big bad i want them to just break everybody including black legion so they can take their crap and make it into better crap

[floral herald]

Larkin does have that crazy stunt with the lasgun though

[fervent coral]

tbh I kinda prefer the orks as the comic relief of 40k at surface level but horrifying when taking a closer look

[thin ibex]

Every big bad gets to make a show of how they push aside the other big bads, so I'd love to see the orks get a crack at being shown to beat nids and chaos. Especially since apparently nids ultimately won that one contested system

It's just a bit tiring for orks to be the always losers or always smokescreens for bigger problems

When they are a true threat all on their own

[untold swallow]

I think the trouble with that is fundamentally the Orks are the hardest to take seriously

[past sphinx]

Somehow they overcome even the secret third faction in brutal cunnin

Solidly affirming my dislike for secret third factions

They didn't even do anything!

[thin ibex]

I mean we took orks seriously way back on Armageddon, I just think they've been back seated for too long

And been made harder to take seriously over time

[desert jay]

IIRC the only successor with their own rules is the Black Templars, and I can totally see them going "nah" on rejoining the Imperial Fists

Also, funny possibility of going "Black Templars, the 21st Legion" even if they don't have their own primarch

Wait, just remembered Crimson Fists used to have their own rules in prev editions

[untold swallow]

lol

[spice flicker]

Honestly it'd be funny if when Rogal Dorn returns he's just chill with the Black Templars and hangs around despite their potential protests.

[upper bluff]

I hope 11th edition brings back those really flavorful rules

Like even if it's just like a weird detachment

[spice flicker]

I hope 11th salvages deathwatch and actually makes imperial agents a halfway decent faction if played standalone.

[upper bluff]

Yeah it's still criminal that they didn't get any actually new units

Like they should lean into the navy aspect of it

Even if they don't want to invent a new tank or anti vehicle stuff just gives inquisitors the ability for a precision strike

[spice flicker]

Since inquisitors can commadeer other imperial forces give us something like the genestealer brood brothers rules and bring some guard or other imperial factions. An inverse of the ability other Imperium armies have of bringing agents.

[soft willow]

Honestly I am hoping they add LRBTs as an option to take in a balance update

[spice flicker]

Or led voidsmen ride in more than just rhinos

Maybe give deathwatch some of their kill teams back

[soft willow]

Yeah Chimera should probably let any non-Space Marine infantry ride.

[spice flicker]

Nope only inquisitors and their henchmen currently unfortunately

[soft willow]

Should, not does yes.

[spice flicker]

Yeah

Chimeras don't cost 70 points because really they cost 120 thanks to the inquisitorial henchmen (which aren't battleline mind you) tax

[floral herald]

I don’t really like the idea of making them more of a soup army but they could use a little more unit variety in their own book

[soft willow]

Henchmen getting Battleline might also be a good change.

They need a proper tank, and some anti-tank.

Limit it to a specific Leman Russ pattern and give us some lascannon guys or something.

[spice flicker]

I will be upset if Subductor squads go up in points since they're the only utility melee besides Terminators and deathwatch.

[thin ibex]

Aren't they "the soup army" though?

[soft willow]

If Subductors go up it'll likely be in the out of codex points.

Agents in book aren't doing well and aren't seeing a ton of play to begin with.

[spice flicker]

They can soup in like 3 units besides knights and not counting deathwatch since they don't exist outside agents now.

[floral herald]

In that they can be farmed out to others yeah

10e isn’t a big imperial soup edition and that’s a good thing imo

[thin ibex]

Oh I agree on some levels, but I mean, imperial agents is like actually the soup faction

I am sad that I'll never get to play the shadowsword my dad made with my space wolves like we'd intended

[soft willow]

Nothing stops you from souping in models for your at home game.

[spice flicker]

I want to paint a space marine falchion like a mammoth tank from command and conquer since the falchion is also referred to as a mammoth tank.

[soft willow]

Army construction rules are for fair tournaments and such.

[cosmic tulip]

https://www.tumblr.com/fourgods-nobrakes/763271448035000320/the-new-kill-team-rules-for-the-chaos-cult-have?source=share

I like the new chaos stuff

[floral herald]

More in click through

But yeah it’s good stuff

[tired cairn]

I want a genestealer cult that knows its world is going to be eaten and is like "great deal, our lives suck and fuck those nobels"

[pastel rampart]

https://www.tumblr.com/suzanna-polixena/762969478312181760/corvus-embraces-the-power-of-the-warp-loved

[thin ibex]

man its been a while since i looked at boarding actions

which means the boarding action book came out

and free stuff to run it is hard to find

[ebon forge]

I love how he survived and is on AoE as a mummy frog

[thin ibex]

i dont think the setting has a more powerful sorcerer/character than kroak

[bright dove]

Nagash is the only contender I can think of

[jaunty dawn]

hes so old he was mummy in fantasy already

[ebon forge]

HAH

Btw, how the Minotaurs acted when the lords of Terra wanted Guilliman dead?

[jaunty dawn]

the old world not having a lot of characters is weird sometimes cause like Repanse de Lyonesse is already 200 years old

[ebon forge]

Also i have a text to speech add-on for firefox that reads pages for me
And i love how it is the same voice Dragonkid uses, so for me it ends up just being another video of his haha

[jaunty dawn]

that's fun !

[pulsar cairn]

Could it read a pdf?

[ebon forge]

If you open on firefox, yes!

[pulsar cairn]

give name!

[ebon forge]

Read Aloud: A Text to Speech Voice Reader
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/read-aloud/

[pulsar cairn]

thanks

[ebon forge]

Dragonkid11 voice is David, be sure to mess with the options before using

[pulsar cairn]

ooh did not know there were options

[uneven ember]

Yeah, I appreciate the inclusion of GSCs who wind up shocked and regretful because that amounts to a reason for nids and GSC to fight and the underlying principle of 40K should always be "an excuse for anybody to be fighting anybody at any time"
But for vibes I prefer the GSCs calmly and serenely walking into the nutrient pools

[past sphinx]

Tried to bait the fists into some good old blue on blue mostly

Ruffling their hair, calling them names ect

[untold swallow]

Everything I've heard about the Minotaurs confuses me lol

[uneven ember]

Also I think this might have been Fenris going through a rough patch, like
"My wolves, wolf not, for while you may not wolf with me, I wolf always beside wolves. For as all wolves must wolf, wolf wolving the wolf, and we will wolf together when wolf wolves the wolf at the wolftime"

[untold swallow]

I just thought of a fun chapter gimmick

initiates to the chapter as part of their final initiation and as part of joining a squad eat the remains of a dead marine of the chapter, gaining the brother's final memories through the omophagea

Given this is a Dark Angels successor, the next stage of their trials are to be individually interrogated and if a single one of them breaks and tells the interrogator their final thoughts, the entire squad is killed

For the last thoughts of the dead are sacrosanct

[ebon forge]

.
So the Minotaurs are just Lords of Terra lapdog bullies?

[past sphinx]

Think of them like cia contractors

But yes

[uneven ember]

That's pretty dope

[untold swallow]

Thanks lol

[past sphinx]

Their also extremely good at killing lamenters

[untold swallow]

Badab War Moment?

[uneven ember]

They're good at killing Space Marines in general (how do you get to Carnegie Hall?)
But yeah they gave the Lamenters a rough time

[past sphinx]

Professional level haters

[bright dove]

About the Minotaur and Lamenters

[ebon forge]

Welp, shame

Their drip is awesome
Shame their are the LORDS OF TERRA lapdogs

[ebon forge]

HAH

[granite basin]

the thing about space marines is that fundamentally they are all some shade of evil. even the salamanders, who are tied with the lamenters for actually showing some humanity or compassion, are absolutely not opposed to the brand of theofascism that the Imperium normally espouses. They might not agree on the particulars, but they're still enforcers.

minotaurs are high lord toadies though, they can get fucked

[past sphinx]

Lamenters will sacrifice themselves for you but only if your skull falls within approved measurements

[ebon forge]

Oh absolutely, the salamanders when fighting are ruthless and USE FLAMES AS THEIR MAIN WEAPON
Flamethrowers are an MORAL DAMAGING WEAPON for a goddamn good reason

[uneven ember]

Back when I was putting together my BT guys' lore I was writing in a tie with the Maelstrom Warders and thought, hey, maybe my guys would have gotten along with the Lamenters. Fleet-based chapter buddies?
But, no. My Templars would despise the Lamenters.

[solemn gull]

I don’t get why salamanders get so much love when they are also still super evil

[ebon forge]

Because they are the most friendly with civvies

[solemn gull]

The civvies are also evil

[ebon forge]

I-
Don't think the random agro-world farmer would be evil by default?

[solemn gull]

I mean if they are an imperial citizen they are worshipping Big E and all that entails

Also servitors

[ebon forge]

Now that would fall in a certain conversation that i don't think is healthy for this server nor I am prepared to have

[solemn gull]

Understandable

[ebon forge]

but
Yes, that's why people give so much love for the salamanders

And Vulkan being the most emotional of the primarchs , after all, he hugged Dorn and he was ok with it

[granite basin]

like, there's Shades of it like I said. there's a spectrum between Lamenters and Marines Malevolent and (almost) everyone in the Imperium is somewhere in there. it's a framework built on very deeply hateful, obstinate, overzealous authoritarianism, but it's The Norm, such as it is.

ppl like vulkan and his boys bc the rest of the space marines are by comparison much more detached from any concepts of humanity outside of the lens of being turbo-catholic hitler youthed for at least the entirety of their teenage and adult life. they might be good soldiers, sure, but they're completely inept in any social or emotional sense outside of that.

remembering that you are technically a person too, and there are people you should fight for, instead of being a highfalutin asshole whose only allegiance is to a failed state is the highest that bar goes. you can acknowledge it on that grounds, i think

[ebon forge]

also that, Salamander marines can actually live with their families

[granite basin]

yeah, that definitely helps relations lol

[solemn gull]

That part is pretty cool

[ebon forge]

Is this a pathfinder joke as well?

[granite basin]

i honestly want to do an AU or somesuch that returns to the much more unserious tone of rogue trader. or in general, i think the series could do with some dark comedy. though with the way i'd direct the tone it'd be much more subdued which might be counter to the absurdly excessive nature of the setting

[bright dove]

Have you read The Infinite and the Divine?

[granite basin]

i feel like i should

is it an illustrative example?

[cosmic tulip]

This is finally becoming true

[untold swallow]

From what I know it's black comedy by circumstance

It's Trazyn and another Necron Lord having a (arguably homoerotic) dick-measuring contest for an entire book

But this dick-measuring takes the form of things Necrons would dick-measure about

[cosmic tulip]

Like snuffing out a star

And then doing it again

[untold swallow]

Yeah lmao

[cosmic tulip]

Old man yaoi is just WMD showoffing

[untold swallow]

PFFFFFFFF

hold on

I have a meme for this

[jaunty dawn]

oh previews at reasonable uk time

later today (saturday)

I hope my hivestorm arrives

[balmy wave]

I'm gonna be at Warhammer World around noon

Cos I live 10 minutes away

[jaunty dawn]

woah

oooh didn't get an email but royal mail have my packiggg

so should be on time

I'm so excite

[floral herald]

I think it’s less an AU and more just a tonal way to write it

I get to pick up my hivestorm 2maro

[desert jay]

Inshallah we get the Vorgh

[cosmic tulip]

GW! Give me guevesa conversion kits!

My life is yours forever!

I’ll pay the price!

[cosmic tulip]

Nisscassar!

[desert jay]

Nicassar are cool but generally seem unfit for the front line

[cosmic tulip]

I do like the tidbit of lore that said human psykers are trained under niscassar

And they don’t explode often!

(This is apparently propaganda but I don’t think so)

It is kinda funny that people say a bunch of stuff about tau is propoganda

[mild glen]

A not insignificant part of me wants to but a Shokkjump Dragsta and paint it up like a Jack-o-lantern because Orktober
But another part of me knows it should finish this army, I don't play Orks, and the biggest kit left on it is a Hammerhead.

[cosmic tulip]

Put a pumpkin on the hammerhead

Tiny drone pumpkin

Octauber

[uneven ember]

The tau get a fair bit of push and pull about just how genuinely utopian vs sinister they should be in presentation
& "that other source is propaganda" is a treasured and longstanding way to retcon 40K stuff

[cosmic tulip]

I had a friend who was like

[bright dove]

I think the desire to have good guys in 40k is a losing proposition from the start.

[cosmic tulip]

“The tau stuff is propoganda. Imperium stuff is not because.. something I forgot”

[cosmic tulip]

I don’t think so ngl it adds an interesting layer of grey

Even good people must do terrible things to survive

[bright dove]

This is not a grey setting.

[cosmic tulip]

If everyone was horrific all the time it would be a slog to read

[bright dove]

So side question.

What 40k stuff have you read?

[cosmic tulip]

I’ve read the Damocles books, the first Farsight book, the Blackstone Fortress anthology and trilogy, some of the Cain books, Day of Ascension, the Great Devourer omnibus, Mechanicum, Skitarrius, and the Nepenthe horror omnibus.

Oh

[mental birch]

I much prefer the interpretation of T'au propaganda being CNN

[cosmic tulip]

And Flesh and Steel

I’ve also read Broken Sword

Which is in the Damocles omnibus but it’s really good on its own

So I’ll mention it individually

[desert jay]

I've read the Eisenhorn trilogy and 4(?) of the Ciaphas Cain books

... just learned there's a fourth Eisenhorn book

[bright dove]

The first Ciaphas Cain omnibus, all of the Ultramarine books, the first couple of Blood Angel books, 2 Deathwatch books, Ravenor, Storm of Iron, and The Infinite and The Divine.

[cosmic tulip]

I see!

[mild glen]

Years ago, like, 2010-ish, I had read what was up until then every ciaphus cain book, an Atbites book (trilogy?), fifteen hours, and a smattering of other Guard centric short stories/novels I don't rightly remember the names of

I have read no other 40k books since

[cosmic tulip]

Oh I also read Dead Men Walking

[cosmic tulip]

Was this related to your earlier statement?

[bright dove]

Yes.

So some of those books may give the impression that the setting is capable of being reasonable, that there can be "good guys"

[mild glen]

Looked a few up: Dead Men Walking (I think? A krieger book where they fought Necrons)
Death World (a Catachan book)
And the arbites omnibus was "Enforcer" which is, evidentally, the character Shira capurnia

[finite compass]

I mean there can be good guys

It's just at best it's an uphill struggle and the entire universe is working against you

CHARACTERS can be reasonable

THE SETTING cannot.

[bright dove]

None of the factions should be looked at with thoughts of "Oh yeah, they seem reasonable"

[finite compass]

Iconoclast ending in Rogue Trader my beloved

just for very bluntly hammering home "90% of the Imperium's problems are caused by the Imperium."

[cosmic tulip]

I know that

I make my individual characters or factions.. alright people or groups

But the setting around them sucks

That's just the way of things

[granite basin]

the best example of having ideological diversity in the imperium is smth like Darktide

[cosmic tulip]

I am fully aware the things I write aren’t everyone’s cup of tea

But I mean

There’s nothing inherently wrong with any of them or that they don’t fit in the narrative

As long as they don’t make meaningful progress it’s alright

[granite basin]

i mean, there's no canon police dude

[cosmic tulip]

I know just the opinion of good people being a losing proposition js something I disagree with a bit

I apologize if I sound defensive

[pastel rampart]

I'm sorry, there is, and it's me

[cosmic tulip]

I’ve had a lot of hate mail sent at me for writing in the past

[granite basin]

i think you ultimately should do what you enjoy doing.

[cosmic tulip]

I do! It’s why I got motivated to paint again

[mild glen]

There is no good faction. Not even the T'au and/or Farsight.
T'au get close-ish, but they're very openly all about subsuming other cultures and replacing them with their own.
Orks also get close insofar as they genuinely believe everyone is just throwing a giant party all the time and everyone else not wanting to fight is just part of some bit they're doing to make the battle more fun.

[granite basin]

i am of the personal opinion that the Imperium is a highly farcical, schismatic ouroboros of bureaucracy that often gets lost in its own dysfunction.

[cosmic tulip]

I agree

[granite basin]

it's not glamorous. it's not heroic. most of the people in charge are incredibly stupid.

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[bright dove]

Anyone who looks at the Imperium and goes "That's Rad I want that" is just wrong.

[cosmic tulip]

It’s the most brutal and bloodiest regime imaginable

[runic swallow]

I want there to be a book about Administratum clerks fighting a civil war over filing systems or something

[cosmic tulip]

I agree with all of that

It’s why I play xenos and heretic admech

I don’t like the imperium

[finite compass]

"Every faction is horrible because that way it's easier to find excuses for this group of dudes and this group of dudes to randomly fight."

[granite basin]

to me, the sensible people are the ones that aren't like, morally good, but they are actively abating the self-destructive tendencies that their peers foment.

[pastel rampart]

I distinctly remember there being a...short story online I think, where a clerk ends up talking with an ork in captivity and eventually the ork replaces the clerk and no one really notices.

[mild glen]

This is legit canon, though

[finite compass]

IIRC that was a fan fiction.

But I remember that

[cosmic tulip]

No I remember

It was a snippet from 6th ed iirc

They fought a war over a mislabeled statistic

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, and even as fan fiction it's the sort of weird that belongs in 40k.

[cosmic tulip]

In either the sororitas codex or the core rulebook iirc

[granite basin]

oh, i know it is in some cases. there's just sometimes a tendency to glamorize it, and i find it far funnier to lean into dumb mundane bullshit that comes from being in such a nightmarish regime

[finite compass]

I did this because I was going to GM a Dark Heresy game that never got off the ground

[granite basin]

:0!

hot damn, how'd ya map that-

[cosmic tulip]

I made most of my named characters as explicitly marked as traitors by the imperium for any number of justified reasons

[finite compass]

Clipstudio, a lot of PNGs of the world icons, and a very blown up actual star photograph to use as a background. 😛

[cosmic tulip]

Peak

[finite compass]

But one of the random sector background events that wasn't really relevant to anything, but just there for flavor

[granite basin]

based tbh. i find that sorta thing v inspiring

[finite compass]

Was the 'Deciman Schism'

[past sphinx]

one day im going to do that dark heresy game set during a red tithe

also its extremely funny to me that space sharks sharkiness isnt a meme

those motherfuckers love water and fish and shit

not a meme at all

[finite compass]

Or: "355 M.39: During his annual address, Sector Ecclesiarch Archbishop Pius XXXVII mispronounces the name of St. Decimarus as St. Decimus. The resulting confusion and open conflict between the 'Decimarians' and the 'Decimans' lasts for over a century, lays waste to the Achenar Subsector, and causes the death of billions."

[uneven ember]

Yeah but I do think it's funnier if the Tau are acting like they're in a less stupid setting.
All these millennia-old decaying empires vast and ancient beyond all comprehension, biological war engines, and people who eat suffering and then the tau are basically a 21st century nation-state IN SPACE

[past sphinx]

perfection

[runic swallow]

They got a sick ass fish tank and everything

[past sphinx]

HES GOT A GODDAMN SHARK PET

IN SPACE

[past sphinx]

THEY KEEP THE DREADNAUGHTS IN A POOL

[uneven ember]

(do do do doo do do daddy shark)

[cosmic tulip]

Most of my battlesuit pilots are former Guard tankers who deserted

They had names and little bios but I’ve misplaced the document

My admech have the power and knowledge of a dark age ai behind them but they’re ultimately fighting a losing battle

Reprogrammed idealism versus an uncaring universe

[runic swallow]

It’s enrichment

[cosmic tulip]

It’s generally easier since I’ve never won a single game to keep my models in a sort of stasis lore wise

They’ve never accomplished anything setting-breaking because I’m not the best at 40k lmao

Once I start winning games I might be tempted to jot some stuff down for like kill markers or things

[finite compass]

I play Chaos. So all my dudes are basically horrible by default.

[past sphinx]

not mine

were using the power of chaos to fight the xenos!

purely using them

(we are being used)

were simply a built different warband (we are not)

[cosmic tulip]

I had a friend who said my factions were irritating to him specifically

And whenever he played he always picked tournament lists against me

[rocky shale]

Tau and eldar are irritating armies sometimes lmao

[cosmic tulip]

(I got the shit kicked out of me lmao necrons are scary)

[cosmic tulip]

Oh no he said they’re too nice and he thought it was smug of me to write them like that

[rocky shale]

Oh

Oh yeah your friend is just a tool like that

[cosmic tulip]

So every time we played he’d show up with lychguard bricks and reanimation orb or immoral bricks

It did make me feel kinda bad though since I got a lot of criticism until I got a different friend group

It was that one thing for the warlord where he could reroll reanimation protocols

I’ve realized for dark bronze silver works best

[uneven ember]

swank

[mental birch]

The hell?

Tau is an annoying army but that's because it rides the edge of non interaction

[cosmic tulip]

My friend loves the grimdark of 40k

[mental birch]

And like just play modern missions and you have to interact

[cosmic tulip]

I don’t mind it, but I still prefer a more neutral tone

As such when we discuss 40k it devolves into a lot of arguing and trash-talking on his part

Which is why I’m excited for my local shop doing a league in the winter so I can play against more people

[thin ibex]

after a certain point i think people just want to hate them and so will just find reasons

[cosmic tulip]

Ive learned to live with it

I have my silly little skittles

They r green

Maybe white ngl

Debating a white teal vibe

I need to do runfang and a white contrast probably

It’ll make the green visor pop

[thin ibex]

my tau color scheme currently is gonna be steel silver, dark dark purple, neon pink, and orange; or at least thats my plan

[past sphinx]

everytime i think about doing some admech i look at the eyepain of the detail on their basic troops and make better life choices

[mental birch]

Hahaha

Horde army

[cosmic tulip]

My favorite color is teal

I discovered kabalite green and now my life is teal

Also for more silly lore

My Corsairs are basically drug dealers but for magic hrt that makes you an elf

They sell it indiscriminately and it may have side effects but who knows? Profit

[floral herald]

My black legion warband I’m still kind of working on

But black legion means I get to mix and match

[runic swallow]

My iron warriors are just grumpy bastards trying to carve out there own part of the galaxy for themselves(and their mortal subjects I guess)

[mental birch]

Reminds me of the

[floral herald]

I’m doing a sort of “power armored dregs” thing and am mixing night lords who have taken the black with chosen and a daemon prince and possessed and such under Abaddon as minders for them

And I’m mixing in a cult but I haven’t worked that out

Beyond that they’re probably Slaanesh aligned

[mental birch]

A perturabo model exists

[floral herald]

Mostly because this bangs

[runic swallow]

They’re not opposed to contract work with other legions, it just serves to remind them how much they hate everyone else once they’re done and then start grumbling how no one cares about logistics and supply lines these days

[floral herald]

Specifically

I like the idea of a kind of fatalistic chaos cult who know they’re signing up to be cannon fodder with shitty weapons but choose it anyway if it means the imperium will hurt

[runic swallow]

Also because they have about the same chances fighting for the imperium

[granite basin]

i've been trying to figure out a good idea for my space marine dudes the Void Breakers, bc i'm not really sure how you'd make voidship warfare specialists work (bc idk how voidships work)

[misty violet]

Melta Guns and melee mostly, I would imagine

[floral herald]

I think there’s some space marines like that in lore

Executioners?

[uneven ember]

They're cities that are also spaceships!
Entire clans live their lives servicing a single gun on the space-broadside generation after generation
But also there's a power field over the giant ram on the front of the spaceship for when it's ramming somebody
Also you have the most advanced technology in the setting operated by work crews of galley slaves pulling on cables like it's some shit out of the Napoleonic War
love 40K ships

But yeah it's basically gonna be like urban combat specialists, because spaceships in 40K are the size of cities.

[floral herald]

Also comfort with adverse environments

[pastel rampart]

Voidship specialists would be a lot of melta and melee, yeah. Flamers, shotguns for scouts, other short-range rapid-fire weapons. Terminators are an obvious choice, and if 40k actually had breachers they'd be a perfect fit.

[floral herald]

Radiation and vacuum and such

[soft willow]

Shields and Chainfists if you can still get those on Marines.

Terminators as well.

Essentially steal the notes from the Navy Breachers squad and then Marine it up.

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/The__Unyielding/status/1842301237104124364

[thin ibex]

aggressors seem like a perfect pick

for ship to ship fighters

bladeguard vets

infernus marines

Reivers seem like they'd be great second wavers

knife and pistol marines just loose in the bowels of a ship

assault intercessors seem like a shoe in for standard breachers who are not elites

if youre picking firstborners, assault centurions might be a top choice

[mental birch]

Terminators

Seem perfect

[thin ibex]

actually i do wonder if aggressors fill that role more often in the modern era, since they're probably more common than termies

[past sphinx]

they really are knock off termies aint they

missile launcher, powerfist, combibolter and launcher

err """"boltstorm gauntlets"""""

siege warfare probably

anywhere you cant be sure youd be able to get back some real tactical dreadnaught armor

[granite basin]

i'm more doing this for rpg stuff/OCing than tabletop stuff, but good to know that! :]

[uneven ember]

There's also two basic but very different scenarios for void infantry
You have your hit and run attacks, where one side is delivered by assault boat, boarding torpedo, or teleportation, and the intent is to disrupt the enemy ship's systems and leave them vulnerable before bugging out
& then you have your boarding actions, which is where the ships are in close proximity and fighting grinding level-by-level attritional warfare with the goal of leaving the other ship a nonfunctioning hulk before they do the same to you

[unreal cosmos]

I think all-gravis would be a suitable gimmick if you wanted to focus on the hazards of the vaccuum and such

[granite basin]

i think giving them reflective orange lenses and/or a retractable welding-mask kinda apparatus where the big collar/hood on gravis sits would be fun

[past sphinx]

3, ASSAULT THE COMMAND BRIDGE AND TURN IT INTO SPACE TO GROUND ANTI HIVE WEAPON

[granite basin]

the codex astartes labels this maneuver steel rain 2

rain harder

[mental birch]

Calm down there Zeon

[past sphinx]

im not saying plan british was the right thing to do

but it definetly worked

[uneven ember]

Back in Apocalypse there was a "pieces of voidship fall onto the battlefield to smash units and leave terrain" strategem

[past sphinx]

shit now all i can think of is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezqGdDbKlj4

one day i wish to achieve this level of space madness

[thin ibex]

The inceptors even have blast shield helmets

Could take those on normal Gravis assault team

[uneven ember]

The Warrior is a level of crazy that few can compare to

[past sphinx]

i gotta start steroids and coke then

[mental birch]

Ghndam 3v3 skirmish

Is my brainspace now

[grand vigil]

Do custodes get cybernetic prosthetics if they lose any limbs

Or do they retire and become the spies idk what they were called

[past sphinx]

I don't think we can say, none seem to appear so likely even the most advanced cybernetica is still to slow and they retire

Maybe they vat grow spare limbs

Maybe they got the lizard juice and regrow it like piccolo

Eyes of the emperor are only a fraction of a fraction slower so who knows

[floral herald]

My guess is they just regenerate

[thin ibex]

My thought was gene cloned prefect replacement limbs

[ebon forge]

Still one of hte best scenes in the game

[floral herald]

https://youtu.be/Ju5D5VvyCP4

Fun to see this channel doing more tutorial stuff

[mild glen]

Is this Kressida system stuff an Actual, like, narrative thingie or and example or... what's going on? Am I jsut being An Stupid Newbie?

[cosmic tulip]

Actual narrative thingy from the looks

[mild glen]

reads the article again.

Ohhh! It's a narrative tournament in Atlanta.

I was being a Dumb Newbie.

Definately outside of my budget to attend, but I can sigh and dream.

[finite compass]

ANYWAY. WIP army background

The Chapter of the Leaden Key

Pre-Heresy they were a Word Bearers Chapter that had an inordinate amount of Ashen Circle, and a duty of finding and destroying knowledge that went counter to the Imperial Truth.

After the Word Bearers' corruption, they were given a new perogative. Not to destroy, but to collect. Knowledge, artifacts, lore. Anything that would increase the Legion's knowledge of the Primordial Truth. During the Siege of Terra, they suffered horrendous losses trying to breach the vaults under the Imperial Palace, though were able to abscond with a small number of sequestered objects.

The idea is they've basically used the Great Rift opening to start grabbing enough worlds in the Imperium Nihlus to make their own little redoubt. And, in true Word Bearers fashion, doing this by 'evangelizing.' Cults for everybody, with the cultists and traitor PDF soaking up most of the initial scattered Imperial response, before the Astartes themselves show up.

To what purpose? Well, their Dark Apostle has looked deep into the Word of Lorgar, and his own explorations of the nature of Chaos. And he's come to the conclusion that there are more gods. Perhaps an infinite number. Perhaps just aspects of the Four. But there is power in the Warp that is quiescent. Vashtorr to his eyes, is a manifestation of this. So naturally, it is the duty of the Word Bearers, the Disciples of the Primordial Truth to bring forth these new manifestations onto the Material Plane.

[balmy wave]

Happy Warhammer Day!

I'm at Warhammer World

[past sphinx]

Next year I'm gonna go to that bigass store in texas

[granite basin]

Fuck yeah, more Word Bearers! I always dig the idea of using the Imperium's zealotry against them

[wild fog]

Is it using their Zealotry against them them you technically invented it?

[granite basin]

The Imperium takes credit for it so I'd say it counts

[runic swallow]

And they have a loyalist Word Bearer Dreadnaught as a theologian lmao

[pastel rampart]

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

[jaunty dawn]

chaos sorcerer lords

sorcerin all over the place

what's goin on now

[pastel rampart]

Box set reveals

[jaunty dawn]

ohhh for holidays

I'm glad they've gone back to this format

kinda

I wasn't a fan of that one dude

oh the sisters one is tempting

a lot of stuff I plan ™️ to get

[grand vigil]

I don't really like skaven that much cause of the aesthetic for me personally

But omfg that rat

[junior robin]

huh, a warcry gang in a christmas box

[grand vigil]

I love him

[jaunty dawn]

oh missed that

[jaunty dawn]

theres one in the darkoath spearhead

[grand vigil]

Also stormcast

Man that hood is really good

[jaunty dawn]

oh oh!!!!!!!!!

thunderstrike vanguardd

i love the knife one

[grand vigil]

They really don't look like space Marines anymore huh

I've been mostly focused on dwarf factions in aos

With the occasional death forces

[jaunty dawn]

yeah theyre basically just giant ppl in very cool armour

[grand vigil]

I do wish they would show them in other colour schemes

[jaunty dawn]

you can see a bit of that in skaventide

[grand vigil]

I rarely vibe with stormcast cause of the main colours

[jaunty dawn]

and in the leadup of release there'll be community showcased n stuff

omg what

oh

okay thats also very exciting but I thought they were gonna start talking skitarii xP

(dark mechanicus!)

thats

a big guy it seems

idk if theres like. anything unique about loyalist mechanicum

[grand vigil]

Ooh what's happening

I'm only getting news from Warhammer titter

[jaunty dawn]

legions imperialis dark mech

[grand vigil]

Twitter

[pastel rampart]

Dark Mechanicus in legion, yeah

[grand vigil]

OOOOH

[jaunty dawn]

are getting their own unique units

[grand vigil]

Aw not 40k

[jaunty dawn]

specifically a big spider bot

[grand vigil]

But still cool

[jaunty dawn]

ohhhhh

halflings finally

[grand vigil]

Any pics

[jaunty dawn]

on mobile sorry

[grand vigil]

Old world or aos?

[jaunty dawn]

should be on twitter shortly

[pastel rampart]

Ratlings

[jaunty dawn]

40k!

[grand vigil]

Ahh

[jaunty dawn]

ah its a like

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KgefV/02a8b0810e.jpg

[jaunty dawn]

holiday model

ohhhh

kil team

[grand vigil]

Ooh did Slaves to Darkness get a refresh

Or is it just a new unit

I can't tell

[jaunty dawn]

uh no the refresh happened already

ratling pug

[grand vigil]

I'm just waiting for and dwarf news

[jaunty dawn]

ratlings vs tankbustas

[grand vigil]

Fyreslayers are cool but lord the range

Why

[jaunty dawn]

a lot of people said ogryns will be there too but didnt happen

just a bunch of ratlings

[grand vigil]

Is it a rattling kill team?

[jaunty dawn]

surpressed lasguns

yeah

[grand vigil]

My twitch connection is spotty

[jaunty dawn]

also giant muzzle break guns

wrecka crew seems to be like

[grand vigil]

Is that missile orks

Lol it's very laggy for me

[jaunty dawn]

a weird tankbusta/armoured melee duo team

and the two halves of the team hate each other

two bomb squigs

'breaka boy smasha' pushes ppl around

[grand vigil]

Wow that's three pet bombs

1 from slave two from orls

[jaunty dawn]

so I think theyre basically putting the melee tankbusta stuff in a new squad called breaka boyz?

ratling is "all sniper team"

[junior robin]

good, made all my units with only launchers before they made it mandatory

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah tankbusta update is very welcome

[junior robin]

problem is now that the new ones are nob scale so I need to redo the squad anyway

not that I can use my ork army anyway, they dont fit any of the detatchments...

these new rattlings are really nice

[jaunty dawn]

'tankstopper rifle' for the heaviest sniper in the team

like a long las, hot shot, toaster power pack, bipod!! and hes actually aiming it!!!

and theres an ammo bulldog

[grand vigil]

Dog

[tired cairn]

Ratlings can run away if people move near them

That sounds annoying as hell lol

[jaunty dawn]

oh interesting

cute bunker terrain that matches the hab blocks

with breaching missions

[floral herald]

This is a good box haha

[jaunty dawn]

special mission for kill team that used the ratling promo mini

they made a deathwatch short?????????

right after practically squatting the army???????

maybe good news for 11e but jesus

emperors children in 2025

teaser

november is next reveal day

[grand vigil]

So reveals today are stormcast, skaven ratings and Orks right?

Anymore or is the stream finished

[floral herald]

It’s finished

[tepid stratus]

Blue ballsed again

[cosmic tulip]

Amazing

[floral herald]

There was also some new stuff for Slaves to Darkness

[tepid stratus]

"EC 2025" no shit captain obvious! can you at least show me a noise marine that isn't older than I am?

[past sphinx]

Say that chicken months ago and knew it could only be ratlings

[cosmic tulip]

DARKMECH?!!

[tepid stratus]

Only one model

[past sphinx]

Hmm I should've tuned in apparently

[cosmic tulip]

sobbing madly

legions imperialis…

[junior robin]

bit annoyed they didnt make a post on wacom as usual

[ebon forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x6n_46ia-s yay

[south axle]

Love these guys!

[junior robin]

I want a whole unit of the gasmask claws rat 🥺

[south axle]

Mole Rat <3

WarCom for me atm

[floral herald]

https://youtu.be/iDMioOzckeA

The Orks are also very cool

[south axle]

This is LI, right?

[floral herald]

slovenly guys who like to eat and shoot large guns

strongest American accent in 40k

[cosmic tulip]

Yes

[thin ibex]

oo

taui

[rocky shale]

Obligatory big knight and 4 armigers battleforce

[mental birch]

I am so annoyed at the Tau one

[cosmic tulip]

Why?

[mental birch]

Replace the ghostkeel with 3 crisis suits and tau players everywhere will make the box vanish

As it is it's just ehh meh

[floral herald]

Wow there’s so much terrain in the hivestorm box

[jaunty dawn]

So Much

[rocky shale]

I hope the sisters box leads to a ton of people selling the rhino's for cheap

I need some for agents

[thin ibex]

Where can I look what's in the boxes

In getting server errors on community

[junior robin]

you could see if they have archived the stream

[rocky shale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/qb8gxdCTyO

[uneven ember]

"The canid has been attached to your squad, and to prevent Astra Militarium troopers from having any feelings of superiority, has been given the rank of Sergeant.
"Any trooper who receives intelligible orders from a canid is to report to the Commissariat for psychological evaluation immediately upon completion of the canid's orders."

[ebon forge]

Someone asked why the Space Marines still use WW2 look like military phones

But then someone said "It's a Rotatory phone"

And my hand slipped

[jaunty dawn]

smooth stormtroopers

[ebon forge]

very nice

[jaunty dawn]

thank uu

it's suprisingly easy

glad I just jumped right in to doing it

I made way too much green stuff so I finally did this too

ohhhh

is that why the hair is dumb?

to fit the backpack?

[ebon forge]

Oh hello there, who is he?

[jaunty dawn]

daemon prince of khorne for the world eaters

looking for photos to show dumb the hair looks and this guy like, got rid of a bunch of it damn

[ebon forge]

Brother required assistant with the receiver, and I was happy to aid

Now I want a Space Marine backpack themed rotatory phone, huh

[jaunty dawn]

omg

yessss

[finite compass]

I really do like how these have a lot of the design beats for 40k Daemon Engines

[cosmic tulip]

So apparently

A lot of LI stuff has been scaled up for 30k..

And 30k and 40k share if nothing else similar base sizes!

[finite compass]

Also been waiting for a good 20 years, but Stalk Tank When?

[floral herald]

https://fixupx.com/warhammer/status/1842618314142491085?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[cosmic tulip]

Also question

Does anyone know the base size of the 30k tech priest and the 40k dominus?

[floral herald]

Im not sure what you mean but its a 10mm game which is different from the old Epic 6mm models

[finite compass]

Googling says the Dominus is 50mm

And the 30k one, I'm seeing either 40 or 50

[cosmic tulip]

YES

OMNISSIAH BLESS ME

THE LITANY OF PROXY

[south axle]

30k Dominus is 40, Tech Priest Auxilia seems to be 32mm

[cosmic tulip]

Oh

sobbing

If it’s 40 that works fine I tuess

[jaunty dawn]

that mostly just affects the base it comes with, itll still fit on a 50 fine

like its about the same size physically just a tighter base

[cosmic tulip]

I guess I’ll get the hh model

My guys are very much archaeotech-hungry nerds who idolize the past so it makes sense

Oh

Archmagos Prime is 40mm

Archmagos Dominus is 50mm