Warhammer and Such

[floral herald]

Bartender Abaddon is real and he has strong but nuanced beer opinions

[pulsar cairn]

ya think abaddon has any drinking buddies in the black legion?

[bright dove]

Not anymore

[pulsar cairn]

he dangerous

[floral herald]

I mean,,, the chosen of Abaddon might be

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/59QPZxPeTu

Excerpt for bartender abaddon

[pulsar cairn]

that's why i wondered if he had any drinking buddies

[ebon forge]

His drinks calmed down a world eater

so hey

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S-eQIaFH0J8

Talon of Horus reading

ENGINE COOLANT

[floral herald]

I like how because he brews his own stuff and they’re crazy as hell as far as drinks go you could call them…

Vengeful Spirits

[ebon forge]

HAH

[pulsar cairn]

sounds about right for a space marine

[ebon forge]

Torpedo Fuel cocktail is a IRL thing so
Hey

[bright dove]

Hey, Engine coolant has a long history of becoming booze for people

[ebon forge]

It's Nortstart favorite booze

[cosmic tulip]

Hmm

What would I need to do to kitbash van Saar with eldar?

Iiirc they have weird joints

[past sphinx]

Varn sarn have weird elbows and necks

[untold swallow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/QkGH3lEwgU

Strike the vampire from the retort and this also applies to Celestine, but the Ecclesiarchy ain’t ready for that conversation.

[remote wharf]

I got all the Rogue Trader and Deathwatch stuff from Humble.

[cosmic tulip]

Oof

Yeah this’ll be a struggle

[uneven ember]

Said before will say again
"Abhor the witch (except the guys who are our only method of interstellar communication)
The mutant (except the guys with an extra eye each who drive our spaceships through hell and back out)
The heretic (except the guys who are the only way anything more sophisticated than an EZ Bake oven functions)
The Imperium of Man cannot function on its own terms, the hypocrisy is built in at the foundation

[upper bluff]

Skitarii my beloved

[cosmic tulip]

I can’t wait to actually play and go “we serve the iron men, organic”

I did that to a friend and he went “wait what holy shit”

(I still lost)

My camera sucks with close up pics though

Has anyone read the new admech book

[spice flicker]

Any estimates on when the next points update is?

Should be this week right?

[untold swallow]

Yep

[ebon forge]

Is this Dark Mechanicus?

[pulsar cairn]

looks like a black legion marine in a red robe

[untold swallow]

It looks like a chaos techmarine

Who decided the Mechanicum robe was snazzy which

You know, fair

[rocky shale]

That's a lord discordant

[ebon forge]

The flesh is weak
But the drip shall endure

[rocky shale]

They're like tech marines who like breaking machines instead of fixing them

[untold swallow]

Pog

[past sphinx]

yup hes got the symbol on his knee

[ebon forge]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-dance-demoman-gaming-tf2-dancing-gif-17138310

[past sphinx]

and its the mechanicum!

we get the name they had to change!

[cosmic tulip]

Stupid kitbash idea

Solar Auxilla Guevesa

Frozen in stasis, get awoken in an Imperium thats completely unrecognizable and utterly corrupt, so they flee

[solemn gull]

I don’t know if solar auxilia would find it that much different imo, maybe all the tech is shittier and covered in dirt but the 30k imperium were also genocidal assholes

[cosmic tulip]

From the bit of hh I did read it does seem like there’s a different mindset kinda

People were more hopeful and open to questioning

[untold swallow]

Question; are Penal Legions considered Auxilia or part of the normal Guard structure?

[cosmic tulip]

Depends I think on world

[uneven ember]

pretty sure they're part of the Guard

[past sphinx]

Penal are commanded by IG

and if penal legions are formalized like the chem dogs their gaurd regiments

[thin ibex]

Penal legions are like... double dipping on a tithe, which works for the Imperium

[rocky shale]

30k auxilla are probably confused by the Imperial creed but way more keen on crusading against xenos

[cosmic tulip]

I could just have it be relic armor found on a tau controlled planet

It feels so much cooler to be like “hey the world we left is so much more different and bad lets go leave” and the tau give them the offer of security and ideals to fight for

[ebon forge]

Has the Legion of the Dammed been featured in any recent (3~5 years ago) books?

[past sphinx]

do short stories count?

[ebon forge]

Of course, means 40k has not retconned it

[past sphinx]

oh their in the devastation of baal

[ebon forge]

Oh! Well another reason to read it

[past sphinx]

and their in a bunch of white dwarf shorts

[ebon forge]

Mmmh, know a way to reach those shorts for people that
Can't buy white dwarf?

[past sphinx]

crime

[ebon forge]

https://tenor.com/view/handshake-glep-smiling-friends-shaking-hands-good-job-gif-36557806173756256

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055931689194504313/1290798007855480863/IMG_1920.jpg?ex=66fdc4d2&is=66fc7352&hm=c22df7256737cc5bf8cc0b410467e6b3d511fd5fbb16449b729c4c4d3a7fc58d&

[soft willow]

Is there something that exempts them from being limited to 3/6 max units?

[mild glen]

The "But It's Very Funny" rule.

And... with 250 kroot hounds, I don't have to worry about annoying aspects of the game, like "having a shooting phase" or "primary objectives" or "doing actions"

[upper bluff]

250 kroot hounds would probably be the most expensive 2000 point army possible

They're what 30 points

[bright dove]

80 points for 10

[upper bluff]

oh that's better than I thought lol

[floral herald]

I think you can actually make a valid army with this many near identical models in AoS with Pink Horrors

Since a basic unit of Horrors can have a theoretical 40 models per unit, though it is impossible to have that many on the field at once

[thin ibex]

For GK, even with the custodes save against psychic mortals you'd still want to pump out mortals as your primary counter against custodes yeah? And anti infantry?

[desert jay]

You can, however, field a few hundred Guard army men

335 men is the max at current prices

120 catachans, 120 standard infantry, 90 cadians, and a 5-man command squad

At 3k you can keep going with 120 Kreigers (and more command squads), hooray for having 4 different 20-model battleline units

[wild fog]

Yes. Even with a save mortal wounds are Custodes bane.

[thin ibex]

Someone challenged me to build a Blood Wolves list (traitor splinter from the space wolves)

I went with CSM, obviously not a lot of info to go on and no wolves on the csm side, but I tried to emulate a khornate space wolfy concept

I figure the predator Annihilator is a sleeper wolfy pick since the wolves invented the Annihilator variant

[finite compass]

Remember when Space Wolves could take Leman Russ Exterminators?

[uneven ember]

I mean it's right in the name

[verbal ermine]

waaait those are the same devs as the Rogue Trader video game

[deft crest]

I'm was curious since I still own a tau army even though I am finishing khorne models, Do drones no longer count as models on the feild? I saw the rules that units with drones get like a token and it doesnt count as a model whats that about

[floral herald]

They’re just represented equipment rn

[deft crest]

Damn that kinda blows

I liked my models

[jaunty dawn]

at least this means they don't die '^^

but yeah I've not been super happy abt it since they stopped you disembarking devilfish drones haha

at least, in 9e it took a stratagem

[deft crest]

It also stops Savior Protocol

[thin ibex]

I think they couldn't figure out a better solution for drone spam. It's also why the drone squad isn't a thing anymore

Triptide and 46 shield drones will never be a thing again

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[pulsar cairn]

Cyan do u like Abbadon?

idk why but i look at u and i think of abbadon

[thin ibex]

I do agree though, I miss disembarking drones from the devilfish

I did generally think that in practice, the devilfish mounts carried the squads 2 drones rather than 2 of its own

So if the squad had a gun and guardian Drone, the devilfish would only have a gun drone and Guardian Drone.

Much like how with the pathfinder squad, the Recon drone is on top

[floral herald]

Generally yeah I think he’s a fun character

[pulsar cairn]

right right

[floral herald]

And gets writer props for breaking the setting out of decades of stasis

[thin ibex]

He used to be a Saturday morning cartoon villain in that he'd always show up and always get kicked back with little to show for it. Recent events really gave him real teeth, with Cadia and so on

Side note, it's weird that Cadian is still the "standard imperial guard" when their world is gone

I would've thought they'd pick another after the big event

[desert jay]

Personally I really liked the idea that so many Cadians were on deployment that it instantly turned into a diaspora

[thin ibex]

I know they're still around, but you're not getting new Cadian recruits

[desert jay]

And also the idea of New Cadia is boring

[floral herald]

It makes some sense - Cadian gear was the norm from copycats and I don’t see that changing

[jaunty dawn]

cadia was like the Model Town for generic regiments

[desert jay]

I mean maybe not ones born on Cadia but I bet plenty of new recruits with Cadian parents

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

kinda makes me think the like

diaspora got a boost but was actually already the majority of 'Cadians'

or at least a siginficant chunk

a Cadiatown for each planet conquered by them

[desert jay]

I also had the personal headcanon that you have a pile of regiments that are nominally the Cadian Nth but they've been reinforced and shuffled about so much that the percentage of ancestral Cadians varies wildly

[jaunty dawn]

mhm mhm

the cadian name and culture is something worth claiming if you have even a tenuous connection to it

[past sphinx]

10 million cadias, each more flat green and brown than the last

[desert jay]

The Cadian 1107th, which has one guy whose eyes are sorta purple-ish

[jaunty dawn]

a lot of guard have families to go home to when their service is over, but cadians serve with their families

[desert jay]

And/or semi-retiring to some rear echelon position

[thin ibex]

yeah thats true, a lot of regiments out of hte spotlight do copy cadia

[mild glen]

While the Bumblestumblian 3,927th regiment isn't Cadian, they sure do use the same models and rules.

[cosmic tulip]

Is it feasible to kitbash the Aquillons with fire warriors?

I was debating getting them, Kasrkins, or Solar Auxilla

[jaunty dawn]

should be

they're scaled slightly differently to the existing stormtrooper kit, matching the new cadian proportions

so they'll work about as well :)

[past sphinx]

dont worry the modern cadian kit are super easy to make into other regiments! ~GW unrepentant of their lies

ill say though the modern cadians with the upgrade sprue are pretty dope overall

im a cerified hater but im not blind

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xfV8vUOg/download-the-kill-team-app-and-faction-rules-today/

[floral herald]

Yay

[cosmic tulip]

WEBSITE LAYOUT JUMPSCARE

[jaunty dawn]

ooooh

hyperoni

[cosmic tulip]

Damn.. bias much?

OH ADMECH KT

I want an admech kt box

[uneven ember]

I do love the All Guardsman Party's regiment of origin, the Generian Ninety-Ninth
or on official records

The GENER-IC regiment

[upper bluff]

Make a tech priest kill team

You cowards

We deserve myrmidons in 40k

[cosmic tulip]

Imagine it’s just 30k models

LMAO

[thin ibex]

skitarii kill team would be cool imo, with more personality loaded into the quad

[cosmic tulip]

the raw irony of only being able to run 30k in kill team

An archaotech killteam

[thin ibex]

but then electro priest kill team would be cool

[spice flicker]

I got excited to see an update from the warhammer community website but was disappointed it wasn't the new quarterly points update.

[cosmic tulip]

Archaic tech

[upper bluff]

Listen I like Skitarii as much as the next guy, but our codex talks about myrmidons in 40k

[thin ibex]

RKO-tech KT, wrestlers

[floral herald]

Oh wow Phobos got injury immunity

[upper bluff]

And they don't exist in tabletop except 30k

[floral herald]

I think that’s a new space marine thing

[thin ibex]

are myrmidons spec ops guys? Or normal grunts?

i know nothing about em

[floral herald]

Wow this is big shot in the arm for elites

[jaunty dawn]

veteran skitarii would be a fun kill team

[floral herald]

Activation skip ploy for Phobos

[upper bluff]

myrmidons are basically war tech priests

[cosmic tulip]

It would be cool to have like

[upper bluff]

Kitted out for combat not just everyday life

[cosmic tulip]

The option to switch out personalities and have rules for altering combat doctrine

[upper bluff]

They're like Cult Mechanicus elite guys

[cosmic tulip]

Hell we have precedent in lore for the times when some techpriests in Forge of Mars and Skitarrius wanna talk to their aides, they switch off all the extra programming for a bit and just tslk

And Stroika mentions alpha specific protocols for elite teams

[upper bluff]

The more I think about it they're probably not fit for a kill team lmao

[cosmic tulip]

30k and 40k can never cross over sadly

Due to the specialist designers being at odds

[upper bluff]

I understand, it's just obviously the codex writers didn't get that memo

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[upper bluff]

I will eternally be angry about that

[jaunty dawn]

I think it's corporate, not any designers

[cosmic tulip]

There's mentions of tech-thralls even today

[jaunty dawn]

the lore can do whatever it wants

[upper bluff]

Like come to an agreement and I will spend EVEN MORE money on my admech

ugh, maybe 11th

[jaunty dawn]

just like there's nothing stopping fiction continuing to mention daemon engines, despite most of the big ones being banished to a game they predate

[pastel rampart]

Let me play 30k admech GW you are leaving money on the table here

C'mooooooooon

[cosmic tulip]

Iirc Alan Bligh was the lead for admech

When he died a ton of projects just died with him

[upper bluff]

A real world tragedy stole my chance to use a thanatar

[cosmic tulip]

Like Fires of Cyraxus which was supposed to bring 30k mech to 40k

[jaunty dawn]

if they merged the lists cult and skitarii could be separate again and stop favouring one side or the other each codex

[cosmic tulip]

Along with xenarites and a ton of new tau

[upper bluff]

I actually prefer admech being both Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus

It's just they refuse to add more cult mechanicus because of 30k

[jaunty dawn]

I thought I did

[cosmic tulip]

Iiirc someone did ask an ex-GW designer on Reddit and they said it’s due to a contract that the teams of designers have

[floral herald]

Is Marked for Justice for Exaction Squad new?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah exactly

[floral herald]

I don’t remember it but maybe I just forgor

[jaunty dawn]

it's not the designers personally having beef

[cosmic tulip]

I feel like it’s corporate bs ngl

It’s like mojang and not updating Minecraft due to Microsoft being weird

[jaunty dawn]

it's management wanting to keep depts as seperate as possible to make tracking success easier

same reason almost all game crossover is being downplayed

[pastel rampart]

Honestly not an unreasonable thing when you have multiple game lines out.

[floral herald]

Oh lol they get extendo shotguns

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah I'd prefer if they just made the skitarii tech priests and moved to a skitarii only army with cult allies and vice versa

[jaunty dawn]

not totally unreasonable but a change in policy and not really ideal for the consumer

[floral herald]

Oh boooo

[jaunty dawn]

so cult mech can actually focus on canticles and having tech thralls/servitors and giant robots

[floral herald]

Castigator lost the meme arrest

[cosmic tulip]

You know given how many times the lore has a tech priest find a conveniently old STC and something “new” is added

[jaunty dawn]

and skitarii can actually have their full command organisation

[cosmic tulip]

They could make [PATTERN NAME] Thallax or Thanatar

But with.. modifications

[jaunty dawn]

and the two seperate armies can actually be seperate armies

[cosmic tulip]

That way they’re distinct names and distinct units for marketing

[jaunty dawn]

they'd need to be distinct kits, is the main thing

so they're seperate products

[floral herald]

Wait! The meme arrest is faction gear now!

[jaunty dawn]

cause it's the product that drives it

[floral herald]

Saved

[upper bluff]

They could have done it with that new automata in the legion imperialis box

[cosmic tulip]

Also the amount this happens is hilarious. All three Forges of Mars books, Skitarrius, 3 tau books, and so much more

[upper bluff]

but now it's legion imperialis

[cosmic tulip]

Who plays Legion? Is it even super popular?

[jaunty dawn]

technically kastelan robots also exist in 30k

[cosmic tulip]

My admech friends were so salty because we play 40k and TINY AUTOMATA

[jaunty dawn]

without punch card chests

[upper bluff]

There we go

Make a thanatar with a tech priest where th eartillery would be with a little punchcard terminal

bam 40k approved

[cosmic tulip]

Peak

It seems so easy ngl

Just add some 40k touches here and there

Make the model distinct from 30k

[pastel rampart]

Oh totally, but for a company their size it's the smart move. Just uh, not great for us, hah.

[cosmic tulip]

;-; I just want automata

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[rocky shale]

Making the model distinct requires new injection molding tooling

Which is the expensive part of making a new kit

[jaunty dawn]

they could do it like an upgrade sprue but then whose budget does the base kit come out of, etc

it's all corporate management shit which is meaningless from the outside

[upper bluff]

Ok lets say 1 automata gets added to 40k which one would you choose

I'm choosing thanatar

[cosmic tulip]

Thanatar

[past sphinx]

vorax!

oft forgotten

now the thanatar is thicc and every body love a big stompy BUT

[upper bluff]

Vorax is definitely my number 2

[runic swallow]

Thallax are pretty cool

[upper bluff]

Thallax are cool but they're not really automata, they're elite skitarii

But I would gladly welcom them too

[runic swallow]

I just like how heavy they go on the body horror

Though the epitome of that is the tech thralls

[floral herald]

Oh wow the Butcher can 2” charge from conceal at the end of any enemy activation

Bro might be competitive

Whoa basic legionaries can change mark per activation

Great changes for Legionaries

We’ve broken the hold of Nurgle and gotten significant buffs across the board

[runic swallow]

“No longer best friends with Khorne, Tzeentch is now my best friend”

[jaunty dawn]

the dechaosed properller drones maybe

I liek them

[jaunty dawn]

word bearers living

[floral herald]

Icon bearer buffed as well

Fuck choosing 6 guys is gonna be hard now

[rocky shale]

Corsair can take a gunner and a heavy gunner now

[cosmic tulip]

I love them too

[floral herald]

Oh that’s nice

I’ll probably get shot with bright lances now oh no

[rocky shale]

You can't take blaster and wraithcannon tho

Not that it would stop me from taking wraithcannon

[floral herald]

Oh fuck warded armor is good now

Make a legionary get a 2+ save for a turning point

[rocky shale]

4A 3+ 6/3 Devastating 4 Piercing 2 Heavy

[floral herald]

What kind of heavy?

[rocky shale]

Dash only

But corsair all get a free dash

As a faction rule

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s not bad

Wtf Angels of Death can double-shoot a heavy bolter for 3 AP

[jaunty dawn]

heavy intercessor privilege or what

[runic swallow]

How many shots is that in kill team?

I’m actually not too up on modern kill team

[jaunty dawn]

difficult question

cause it's . basically opposed rolls

[runic swallow]

Huh

[jaunty dawn]

each shot from a weapon is opposed by 3 saves

[runic swallow]

I assume that feels better to play than that sounds just sharing that?

[floral herald]

Yeah - he’s also a 4” move 18 wound feller with no other special rules

[jaunty dawn]

cool

[floral herald]

10

[jaunty dawn]

(but against 6 saves)

(including 2 automatic from cover, etc)

[floral herald]

8 with Sweeping mode used twice

[jaunty dawn]

yeah it's just hard to briefly explain shot resolution from zero context haha

more pointing out that 10 comes with an asterisk

as opposed to 10 shots like in 40k, where each one could kill a guy

you need like 2-3 hits to kill a guy

and use the sweep mode cyan mentioned to hit more than one person with each shot

[runic swallow]

I was about to say, I know I’ve heard you all mention how dudes have multiple wounds

[floral herald]

Yeah the KT normal human has 7 wounds

The heavy bolter does 4 damage on a failed save for further context

[thin ibex]

I need to look at pathfinder and farstalker changes

[floral herald]

I haven’t gotten to them yet either haha

I’ve been universally happy with them

Ok losing the meme arrest was sad

But it sucked anyway

[jagged dawn]

This discussion is reminding us of our desire for an asymmetric kill team ruleset. By that we mean making it a proper kill team and have one side hunt some big monster/vehicle on the other

[floral herald]

The new edition has PVE

No big monsters or vehicles yet but it does have asym play

[jaunty dawn]

it does hopefully lay the groundwork for something like that

[jagged dawn]

Let me bring down a carnifax or something with my squad of guys

[runic swallow]

As shown in the documentary Space Marine 2, it’s possible with one space marine Lieutenant and two sergeants!

[desert jay]

Is the DKOK team roughly equivalent to the 2e veteran guard one?

[floral herald]

Yes

Just a rename

[desert jay]

I wasn't sure if they hadn't shuffled things around a little like Intercession Squad to Angels of Death did

[floral herald]

@orchid venture looks like Dwarves lost their stupid no pregame moves special guy

[tardy vault]

Thoughts on this paint scheme? Don't like that last purple band before the black personally

[orchid venture]

THANK FUCKING GOD

[jaunty dawn]

PRETTY

I like it as is but I think you could replace the last purple with more black, yeah

[floral herald]

Now they put down scan bubbles of no cover and accurate 1 shooting instead of doing nothing or fucking over a whole team

[runic swallow]

Honestly I’d say just go for a deeper purple

For the one next to the black

[tardy vault]

Kk that seems to be the response. Might try 3 parts that purple 1 part black and see how that looks.

(the top is 50/50)

[floral herald]

Kroot got 3 order flips a TP

And order flip instead of Counteract

That’s pretty big

Also their super flamethrower kept Piercing 2 and is now Heavy Reposition

Which is really good I think

[jaunty dawn]

did kroot lose rogue?

[floral herald]

No but it is a strat ploy now

[jaunty dawn]

ah

the sky was falling cause it wasn't in the preview lol

I think their order flip used to be a strat ploy so it kinda shakes out

[floral herald]

Yeah

[tardy vault]

Might have gone a bit too dark

W/e, think it's ok for now

Try again on the second snake

Maybe should have done royal purple+purple not royal purple+black

[pastel rampart]

You could try highlighting the black with purple along the edges of the scales so it tricks the eye into thinking it's dark purple.

But also, try finishing the whole model first and see how it all ties together.

Plenty of times I'm painting, not sure I feel how a color goes, then it's finished and I'm like "wow it all came together."

[deft crest]

Wow this is just the lobster from kirby

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-heavy-lobster-gif-8283809204373306252

Cute...

[runic swallow]

It’s such a friendly looking murder robo-mantis!

[tardy vault]

Fair, probably going to do that tomorrow. Only had so much patience for painting today.

Also, while Witch Aelves have probably have left me with a bad impression, I'm not expecting the top half to be a walk in the park to paint either.

[jaunty dawn]

yeah, I have some shadowstalkers and I really love them but they've sat half done for a while cause they're a Lot

and made the mistake of setting a standard for my scheme that I really like xP

[tardy vault]

ngl, the reason I'm probably going snakes over aelves is because I only have to paint 50 snakes for the entire army

Instead of 100 aelves

[pastel rampart]

Painting skin tones is honestly one of my least-favorite activities. When it comes to lighter tones anyway.

[tardy vault]

Oh, I cheat so fucking hard on skin

it looks meh at best

but it gets done

[pastel rampart]

Alien/dark/rotting skin tones I'm a-okay with, but pale or caucasian tones? Uuuuugh I never feel I get them right.

[tardy vault]

(white primer + Rieklander Fleshshade)

Like I said, it's a cheat method so it's not great

but it gets painted

[pastel rampart]

Although I guess I can do pale alright when it's like, weird shit.

[mental birch]

New rules are cool

Finally have another uppy

[floral herald]

I’m not sure what you mean

Huh Chaos Cult seems like

They got changed a lot

The ways they get mutants are different and some weapons changed and such

I’m curious how they land

They still get 14 bodies so that’s a lot

[deft crest]

Ok so my friends weren't kidding tau feels really different than when I last played,

Markerlights are baked into being a mechanic for making one unit reroll

or add +1

[mental birch]

We finally got the new rules for vespid

Finally harmonised with uppy

[mental birch]

They're now ridiculously good movement army

Ahhaha

[floral herald]

Uppy?

[deft crest]

I wanted a shooty army

[thin ibex]

The tau are very shooty they're just not a gunline faction

they are very fast, very shooty

[floral herald]

Man this is a lot of KT changes

I can’t tell at all what’s gonna be good or bad haha

[thin ibex]

a lot o the tau are also glass cannon-y

[floral herald]

So many buffs but also a lot of system nerfs

[deft crest]

I feel like my playstyle was more enjoyable to me. I also heard triptide is trash and i'm better off with hammerheads too

[thin ibex]

not a lot of staying power across the faction; with a few exceptions, rather tend to have good firepower and good movement shenanigans

thats somewhat debateable, Riptides are in meta from what I understand, just that hammerheads are also quite strong

riptides are one of the few tanky units on the tau atm

[floral herald]

My current gut feeling is that Exaction feels like a winner and Cult seems maybe weak?

[thin ibex]

and the ion gun hits like a truck

[mental birch]

The special rule for jumping away end of turn

[mental birch]

Triptide is eternal

And it's super weird

[thin ibex]

its just not super cheesy triptide anymore

[mental birch]

That it happened thrice

[thin ibex]

i still think the heavy burst gun looks a lot better than the ion one on the model

[mental birch]

Triptide is just no longer all singing all dancing

It's a solid mid unit

[thin ibex]

riptide is sort of like your team's reinhardt (from overwatch)

in that they can take a hit and bully things smaller than them

though the ion gun can make even a big boi think twice with damage 4, if a shot or two slips through

[deft crest]

I'll break em out again and see what kind of list I can put together, The changes to battlesuits will probably make my nonmagneted suits a pain

[mental birch]

Yeah though new suits

I do have a list I've been playing around with at 2k with 15 suits

Bahababa

[deft crest]

I don't understand what you mean

[thin ibex]

tbh i think nobody minds if you field the suits you have as they are, as whatever suit type you want

i have hte misfortune of i think all my magnetized guns are just gone

appear ot be lost

so i have a bunch of gunless crisis suits and a gunless crisis commander

but i suspect no one id play against would mind me just saying what they have

[mental birch]

Oh eeer

[thin ibex]

but tis just unhappy as a circumstance

[mental birch]

Just pondering my lists out loud

[thin ibex]

man i kinda wish desolation squads werent reduced to nonviable by being 200p for 5

and indirect nerfs stacked atop that

i know they're not popular

but they're the only indirect unit from the primaris; that and i like two mode guns

[spice flicker]

I've been waiting to start the crusade I've been organizing because for the balance dataslate that's supposed to be some time this month. Should I continue to wait for the update or go ahead and start the formal countdown for when the first round begins?

[cosmic tulip]

Stupid idea what if the warp storm that covered the tau planet in M30 was proof that something wants the tau to succeed

[thin ibex]

well, its not that farfetched, but also somewhat stunted by the tau having very small souls in the warp

we know khorne has an interest in Farsight's soul

[cosmic tulip]

The universe wants something alright to succeed

Old lore notes that the 40k universe is sentient

..but it never explains in what way

[thin ibex]

I suppose its possible? Seems a bit far fetched/wishful, but not outside the realm of the possible

[tired cairn]

Probably some harebrained tzeetch scheme

[cosmic tulip]

It is very funny that all my other armies I dramatically switched around established lore norms but my tau..

Their only homebrew quirk is they have a lot of human battlesuit pilots

That’s it

[cosmic tulip]

Based tzzentch

[spice flicker]

Well didn't the tau accidentally create their own warp entity representing what they thought was the embodiment of the greater good? Once something exists in the warp it will have always existed so maybe that storm could be a result of that?

[paper bluff]

It was kinda mostly the humans under them

[cosmic tulip]

I like that explanation ngl

yes the warp is retrocausal

[tardy vault]

Yeah, once something is created it's created at all points in time see: the Horus Heresy

The demon that started the dominos for the Heresy was created right after the Siege of Terra

[spice flicker]

Samus is the one beside you

[bright dove]

The warp is casually retrocasual.

See: Ships that arrive at warzones before the call for aid even went out

[spice flicker]

That one knight house that is traitor because of time loop shenanigans is a great example

[past sphinx]

space marines turning up 10 thousand years after terra having pretty much just walked off the walls

[soft willow]

There's a whole Ordo of the inquisition about this.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ordo_Chronos

[tired cairn]

I thought they accidentally deleted themselves

[soft willow]

They did, but then they got better.

Robby G caused them some problems when he tried to make a real history/calendar for the imperium so he could spreadsheet better.

[cosmic tulip]

It could be so interesting for the imperium to bring back remembrancers

I want to see Guilliman and Lion tell the history of everything to a pair of terrified scribes

Have it be a huge deluxe book or something with gold inset and illuminated script

[spice flicker]

Idk the last time we had remebrancers it was in the prelude to the horus heresy and several became the interrogators who eventually formed the inquisition

[cosmic tulip]

The Historica Imperia

[cosmic tulip]

All the more reason to bring them back! They’re useful

[spice flicker]

Inquisition 2.0

[cosmic tulip]

Idk id love an entire story that’s just like

Guilliman telling his story to a scribe and the Lion to the other

And seeing where things differ

Have redacted text if you really want to show the gravity of what’s being said

[spice flicker]

Hmmm...go with imperial agents for a crusade or try out chaos daemons? Never played either

[upper bluff]

Chaos Daemons

You will have infinitely more fun

Unless you like thunder hammers then go agents

[soft willow]

The Agent's crusade rules rock though.

Very flavorful.

[spice flicker]

So do i want cool crusade rules but a very poor army (outside of deployment shenanigans) of a decent (i presume) faction that has no special crusade rules but also can deep strike everything?

Hmmm....

Was leaning agents initially but I think I will go daemons

[floral herald]

Daemons are real fun

Daemons are also more than decent right now - their comp lists are in like the top 5

[spice flicker]

This is the current list I am looking at for the crusade if I go with daemons. I have 60 points to spare so I could go with nurglings or should I save it so when we reach 1000 points I can bring in a Bloodthirster or keeper secrets with an Enhancement?

What would you suggest?

[thin ibex]

im biased, but bloodthirster is cooler

[floral herald]

I’ve heard plaguebearers aren’t good for much besides 110 points of deep striking OC

So at 750 I’d consider another kind of little daemon

[spice flicker]

Really I am taking them because of the obsec ability and if I ever add GUO

The obsec will let me push and be more aggressive instead of having something stay and babysit my home objective.

[spice flicker]

If I go that route then by the time I get to 1500 I can play a KoS and a squad of daemonettes with the leader wirh the harp that doubles as a lascannon equivalent.

[deft crest]

I always thought of it like this, Daemons let you play 2 Games with one army

And all future games too

I love my angry boiz

[jaunty dawn]

gw, sunsetting daemons from kill team:

[deft crest]

These arent up to date but

I fucking love this model

[pine matrix]

Looks snazzy!!!!

[deft crest]

30 fleshhounds.

Go my children

[past sphinx]

my friend has tried to bring fleshhounds

against my possessed and chosen blobs

he was eaten alive

[upper bluff]

Theja are those models not massive?

Like I guess I've never seen a BloodThirster but I didn't think they were knight sized

[past sphinx]

bigger than a demon prince smaller than a knight

great unclean one sized ish

[deft crest]

Yeah they are fucking big and i had to scale em down 10%

(printer isnt big)

I think i could have gone with the round base? I dont really know

[upper bluff]

Zamn

[deft crest]

Skarbrand is on a round base though

These feel better on oval for stability

I have two in the back in a way more dynamic pose that horrify me

[spice flicker]

I know this is for tts and so hopefully it works out. Also Theja what do you think of that 690 point army and my plans for expansion to 1000? Does it look good or do you have suggestions for swapping?

[lofty warren]

hell yeah baby legionaries kill team rules now

except undivided poor undivided

even warriors have a cool trick now

[jaunty dawn]

is undivided suffering cause it's main trick has just been given to all space marines

I should start reading stuff xP

[floral herald]

I don’t think undivided is suffering much at all

Ceaseless in All Fields is still really good

But the gods give juice benefits now

[deft crest]

Sorry partner I have no idea. I don't play undivided. I also don't play. I haven't learned yet. I plan on learning today actually LMAO

[floral herald]

What’s your feeling on Chaincannon vs Heavy Bolter in the new edition?

[spice flicker]

No worries

[lofty warren]

Im surprised its spread mode is so wide

I wish it still had 6 shots but it looks better than heavy bolter against most things

Ceaseless+punishing seems really good

You have a good chance to crit with the reroll and even if you cant reroll all your fails good chance one still hits cause crit

[lofty warren]

less damage in general though but if it hits more thats probably better

[mild glen]

Oh, cool, let's look at the new Vespid datasheet...

Still not FTGG

[jaunty dawn]

I mean they wouldn't be, ultimately.

theoretically they should've been made worth taking in spite of it

[south axle]

FTGG?

[jaunty dawn]

tau's faction rule

[south axle]

Ah

[jaunty dawn]

which basically handles what used to be the markerlight system

(for the greater good)

[mild glen]

And their near little Drone that hands out Ignores Cover 1/game?
Yeah. Having markerlight gives out that in addition to the +1 BS when you guide something

[floral herald]

Kill Team reddit today really is like this

[floral herald]

Yeah it seems really strong vs hordes and solid vs elites from crit chip

I think the HB might work out slightly better vs middleweights because it has more OHK potential

[tardy vault]

The one you want to play fuckers it's a bunch of overpriced plastic army dudes just enjoy it.

(directed at Reddit and other people that can't enjoy things)

[uneven ember]

https://bsky.app/profile/jetblackraider.bsky.social/post/3l5km4zx5zs2j

"you can kill me, but you can never kill the idea that I wore it best"

[lofty warren]

Man i wish there was a proper chaff/elite hybrid team

I want to have shitty screeners

[tired cairn]

I am imagining an Archon having casual Friday's mostly to make their Dracon (and other underlings) sweat bullets

[floral herald]

People are trying to gauge the meta but I think its actually impossible rn

[jaunty dawn]

heretic astartes (cultists + space marines) my beloved...rest in peace...

[tired cairn]

In 40k or kill team?

I guess if you had chaff plus elites you get a bit dangerously close to the best of both worlds?

[jaunty dawn]

there is also gellerpox

which have elements of that

[floral herald]

Yeah Gellerpox is kinda like that

Heretic Astartes used to be able to to do that but they're gone

[tired cairn]

Huh, why are there only "lite" rules for kill team?

... and why is the Kill Team app just a bunch of PDFs

[floral herald]

The full rules aren't released yet

And its just a PDF reader for now, but that's nice for GW standards

Oh!

[jaunty dawn]

haha whaat

[floral herald]

Warpcoven is a legit horde+elites team

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah!!!

it is!

[floral herald]

Tzaangors and wizards

[jaunty dawn]

It's why I really like warpcoven and want to build one

with human cultist proxies for tzaangor

using the warcry warband that's got the matching aesthetic. cypher lords

I should get around to that soon. when I finish ™️ my van saar maybe.

[floral herald]

Starstriders are also kind of like that but aren't crazy elite and aren't crazy horde

But they do have a high-low mix

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah warpcoven is literally 3 leader level models and the option to fill the rest with cultist bodies

[floral herald]

yeah

Though Rubicons got some big buffs in 2024

[jaunty dawn]

I'll definitely build those too yeah : ) gonna make a full roster I think

[tired cairn]

Oh hey, Torrent is good now

Oh, they got rid of the Tyranid kill team so I don't actually have one anymore 🙃

Give me a nid KT GW >:|

[uneven ember]

I feel like this is part of the appeal of going Incubus.
You get to wear the same outfit every day for the rest of your life and if anyone says anything about that you're allowed and expected to cut their head off with a bat'leth

[floral herald]

GSC 2 Starspawn 0 who's winning now?
~turning point magus

[floral herald]

Rumor has it an early box this edition is Catachans vs Tyranids

[tired cairn]

Hopefully

[jaunty dawn]

i think ive scared myself into thinking there'll never be one

[floral herald]

Rumor also predicted the 2024 launch box

Albeit uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tired cairn]

They somehow missed the spacehulk one lol

[floral herald]

3 years ago

[jaunty dawn]

for reasons I somewhat agree with

[floral herald]

I want commando gaunts

[jaunty dawn]

which is what makes it scary

[floral herald]

I think that'd be sick as hell

[tired cairn]

One has to have a big brain

[jaunty dawn]

although, thinking about it, I think the weirdness of vespid is a good omen

they may even lowkey be a testbed

[tired cairn]

As a throwback to 3e when you could give a gaunt squad 10 ld and that was the recommended way to show it

[jaunty dawn]

at the least they make a decent proxy option

[tired cairn]

The vespid rules seemed very Tyranid lol

[floral herald]

Brood Bros may have been another one with the purestrain Patriarch

[jaunty dawn]

but also damn, the app is Literally Just A Pdf Reader, holy shit

oh it does have sections at least

[tired cairn]

Oh, they gave a reason to take Rangers over Vanguard

[jaunty dawn]

oh?

didnt realise they were disliked, I just took half as them anyway

[tired cairn]

Before Vanguard had rad saturation and Rangers had nothing

[jaunty dawn]

ahh

[deft crest]

Whats the app called?

[tired cairn]

So you might as well take all your special weapons people as Vanguard

[jaunty dawn]

and then for like gunners, the weapon choice-yeah

[tired cairn]

Now the opposite is probably true, granted

[jaunty dawn]

i actually have arc riflemen now. not painted but still

and plasma rangers haha

[deft crest]

Or is it not out yet

[tired cairn]

Kill Team

[jaunty dawn]

and vanguard arqubuses for that matter

kill team: the app

[tired cairn]

Direct link here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xfV8vUOg/download-the-kill-team-app-and-faction-rules-today/

[jaunty dawn]

oh theres now three specific sorcerers

dont hate that tbh

also not sure how much of a change it actually is

[floral herald]

I don't know Warpcoven well enough to know

There's been a few teams like that

[jaunty dawn]

leader sorcerer gets +1 wound, I want to say thats new

[floral herald]

That's normal but a lot of space marines got extra wounds

[tired cairn]

Oh, you can have up to five sicarians now. Interesting

[floral herald]

Legionaries and Tacitus bros get 14 now!

[tired cairn]

But you can't have more than 10 dudes if you take less (not that anyone did that)

[floral herald]

(Gravis Brother gets 18 but he's slow as fuck now)

[jaunty dawn]

ah right yeah but with warpcoven, you choose a sorcerer to be your leader each battle

[floral herald]

ahh

[tired cairn]

The bickering before each fight must be something

[jaunty dawn]

gosh the warpflamer is scary

and the warrior gets a bonus for shooting before/without moving

[floral herald]

Yeah a P1 flamer is grody

[jaunty dawn]

is the damage higher too? or is that just what flamers do now

[floral herald]

It is also higher yeah

The Legionaries flamer is 3/3

[jaunty dawn]

noiceee

[deft crest]

Did everyone get an update or just a couple. The only factions I played were clowns, Nids, and kroot

And now no nids..

[floral herald]

everyone

But compendium teams are gone

[jaunty dawn]

compendium is gone, but everyone else got a run-over

clowns made the cut along with the other teams that arent from a physical release

the fact that 'Normal Dmg' is the keyworded phrase is really funny to me

[floral herald]

Clowns look sick now

Still really weird and technical but less annoying invisible overhead

[jaunty dawn]

Competitive Game Text is so formal that Dmg keeps getting me

[floral herald]

how do you mean?

[jaunty dawn]

i think it just sounds like, somewhat inform and cutesy

i have a similar thing with the word Monies? cause its a word that is both a cutesy way of saying money and an Incredibly Serious Real Word mostly used in Very Formal Contexts

so theres just something really funny about a text with a very formal tone that uses a word that sounds less formal

like only two people saying monies: people who go :3 and Contract Lawyers

who probably overlap surprisingly often, but I digress

[deft crest]

Oh this fucks

[jaunty dawn]

ooh

yeah that's really cute

[deft crest]

I love dumb luck games lmao

[floral herald]

They made this one so much more cranked

[deft crest]

You either get a stun or you get a smite

Thats cool

[floral herald]

In KT2019 it was just 1 mortal per match

[deft crest]

I never liked psykers much but

[floral herald]

The KT psykers are fun

A lot of them are just like "a gun" and then also usually a weird effect

[deft crest]

Yeah this is a decent PDF reader. I still kinda prefer the tools KTDASH had but

I have a folding phone so even more so

[jaunty dawn]

oh, I havent seen how group activations work now, but warpcoven get a strat to do one with tzaangors and you get to interleave their actions???

which is really fun!

idk if we knew this already and I just didnt read the breacher preview closely enough haha

[floral herald]

I really like the Mindwitch

[floral herald]

KTDash will probably have all this within the week

[jaunty dawn]

neat! cries in missing out on ashes of faith

[floral herald]

augh yes

such a good box

[jaunty dawn]

i wanted it so bad and it was peak kill team scalping season and I will never get over it

and to make matters worse some of those scalping listings are still up

[floral herald]

I also didn't but have the parts for a chaos cult from my CSM army anyway

[jaunty dawn]

yeah Ill get there eventually but it wouldve been so nice and the legacy campaign seemed really fun

[floral herald]

yeah 100%

It was also a great value box

[jaunty dawn]

for sure

so much cool shit

my dad and I have put together a full inquisition kill team between us at least. like all of the inquisition operatives

[soft willow]

Getting an Inquisitorial Agents army together in weird pieces meant I got four squads of Agents somehow.

[floral herald]

It's a little thing but I dig the Starstriders logo

[soft willow]

I should build the last one for Kill Team.

[jaunty dawn]

haha amazing

[floral herald]

Gellerpox are also funny

Not even a symbol just bugge

[jaunty dawn]

bugge...

oh icon bearer is just more cp now

woah

[floral herald]

For Legionaries?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

the little token packs in the new boxes are so fun. i love tokensssss

i should pick up a pack of legionaries soon too

[floral herald]

I don't know how the meta is at all but Legionaries is my most played team and they seem fuckin JUICED from 3e

[jaunty dawn]

kinda makes me glad I hadnt already

[floral herald]

• more wounds on everyone
• still mean melee freaks
• game is less lethal in general
• and more killing focus

Like the only thing I feel like I'm missing is the old plasma gun

And attack mulligans on 0 damage

[jaunty dawn]

ah so no undivided strats anymore, but you can bring warriors and access all the marks during a game

which also has nice synergy with the talismans equip

[floral herald]

Oh I also hadn't realized because it was a weird non-change but the Legionary Butcher got a weird buff

[jaunty dawn]

severe within 6" is pretty good too

[floral herald]

7 damage crits are really rare now but his giant axe stayed 5/7

[jaunty dawn]

for undivided

oh interesting

[floral herald]

5/7 Brutal makes him evaporate light models

He has has a weird "charge out of sequence" move now

[jaunty dawn]

novitiate condemnor is super psyker focused now, which is an interesting space that kill team can do that a lot of other games cant

cause youre only ever gonna take her against psykers!

so her anti psyker stuff is ThatGuyInParticular hate, rather than a weird meta choice

[floral herald]

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

and also can be balanced assuming that theres always gonna be someone her stuff is good against, so it doesnt need to be overtuned to make up for being useless in some matchups

whip novitiate is super neat. instead of being a second apl granter with specific penitent synergy, she now specifically gives you a free fight and the ability to fight twice, as well as +1" move

[floral herald]

I like how the plasma is also kind of elite hate now not just "take this one, then take the melta"

[jaunty dawn]

okay, penitent is wild. they get a free fight following every fight they make

[floral herald]

fuck me though choosing a Legionary roster is hard now

Warriors are sort of good, gunner nerfed, Icon bearer buffed, Butcher buffed

[jaunty dawn]

and that includes if they make two fight actions cause of whip sister. explicitly. they can make 4 attacks.

[floral herald]

Balefire and Shrivetalon still goated

[jaunty dawn]

obv that means she actually has to survive that long, but still

the potential is wild

[floral herald]

Yeah extremely lethal but also a 7 wounder haha

[rocky shale]

Starstriders looks so fun

[floral herald]

Starstriders look great

I love the orbital cannon shit

[rocky shale]

Exactly

[thin ibex]

whats our special power? Money

[jaunty dawn]

oh yhat reminds me to check vet guard next

[rocky shale]

Now let's see if imperial navy is as cool in 40k wait whoops nope

[floral herald]

They actually lost the airstrikes

Now they get free ploys per extra warrior they give up

[jaunty dawn]

whaaaat nooo

[tired cairn]

Did they change the roster limit or is it still 20 people?

Is one of the ploys airstrike?

[jaunty dawn]

i mean probably for the best,,,

i was pretty sceptical about the change to how equipment works but I actually really like it I think

[floral herald]

No rosters now its basically free pick

[jaunty dawn]

after reading a few teams

[floral herald]

same

I was kinda skeptical but a bunch of system changes make me ok with it

[jaunty dawn]

oh interesting, not a huge change practically speaking I suppose

for most teams anyway

[floral herald]

Yeah roster caps only mattered for like Legionaries and Inquisition

(And really only mattered for Legionaries when mark limits were for the roster not the fielded team)

[jaunty dawn]

novitiates are pretty fun looking, interesting design space where they have a tactical ploy to set people on fire with flamers but get it once per round for free

as a rule for the flamer operative

[tired cairn]

Oh. Neat. Is it still after you know the mission and opponent?

[floral herald]

yes

[jaunty dawn]

oh, hah, the pdf is still called vet guard

ohhhhh

one ploy becomes free for the whole battle for each guy you give up

thats big

that might actually be something

[tired cairn]

Oh, Brood Brothers get the same thing

[floral herald]

yoooo

[jaunty dawn]

like 'give up a guy but now all your guys get +1 to their saves in cover'

i like how vetguard still have 'the sergeant has a watch' as an equipment

[floral herald]

and its good haha

[tired cairn]

It's so funny

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah thats brilliant

[tired cairn]

Is that different than the previous Mind Control?

[floral herald]

no

But it not changing is exciting

[jaunty dawn]

hadnt seen it before

it fucks

ah so the vetguard trooper gets group activate as its special rule. no interleaving

with a few other specialists retaining their ability to do so

oh spotter lost it though! intriguing

[past sphinx]

for the forgotten archeotech forge of Casio

[jaunty dawn]

so yeah, a little sad I cant do a kill team of 10 elysians + their valkyrie, but I do think the team is better for it overall.

[floral herald]

Oh shit I'll just post the whole thing then

[jaunty dawn]

thats so cool

[floral herald]

Brood Bros is such a fun team

[jaunty dawn]

n yeah, definitely feels like a testbed. maybe for custodes too

[floral herald]

Very Very vanilla except for getting the single nastiest melee monster or some crazy specialists

[jaunty dawn]

oh and the no repeats rule for actions gives you another reason to split up your activation. elegant

[floral herald]

Other options

(You get 2 if you choose Psychic Familiar)

[jaunty dawn]

gonna go to sleep for now. so excited for saturday haha

[floral herald]

Actually I'll just post all the rules

They're weird guys

[tired cairn]

The familars seem really funny

[bold halo]

damn that is a Large team

[tired cairn]

They can have a large friend or a large number of models

[floral herald]

Little Guy operatives are unironically goated

And they're Very Little Guys

[bold halo]

oh the psychic familiars really are little guys

six of them thanks

[tired cairn]

Sadly you can only take a max of two 😦

[bold halo]

boooooo

[uneven ember]

I don't get why GSC are the psykers who specifically get familiars but I'm into it

Just having weird little guys as part of the line-up

[floral herald]

They're great for doing little things like opening doors and doing objectives while actually strong models fight

[bold halo]

doing anything that could be described as "scampering"

[floral herald]

Oh shit the Little Guys for Navy Breachers got buffed

Speaking of little guys

They're only half an operative each now

[soft willow]

Agents can borrow the two of them as a single operative as well.

[floral herald]

The little guys for context

[floral herald]

That is nice, though you still need the Surveyor and Void-Jammer for them

I love the Geistskull Explode action

[soft willow]

How many skulls can you bring?

[tired cairn]

shouldn't all the operatives on that kill team have expendable

[floral herald]

Only 1

[tired cairn]

Wait, are the normal visibility rules not from any part of the model

Oh, it is specifically head

[floral herald]

The Little Guy Maxxer faction is Gellerpox Infected which gets between 4 and 8

You get 4 Glitchlings and up to 4 of the rest based on equipment choices

[soft willow]

Honestly Warhammer needs more little guys.

[bold halo]

tzeentch keeps tempting me into buying minis because of the little guy power of horrors

[soft willow]

I know there are a fair few already, but it could definitely stand to have more.

[bold halo]

big guys become littler guys become LITTLE guys

[soft willow]

That's just Legions Imperialis.

Gotta have big guys to show that the little guys are little.

But you actually mean daemons splitting

Not a process of littlification.

[jaunty dawn]

in aos i can have a unit which gets 4(5) little dogs alongside some regular humans. need more of this in 40k

[bold halo]

damn I really miss the metal horror sculpts though they were FUCKED

[soft willow]

Best we can do is one little canid per five navy persons.

[floral herald]

The thing I like about Gellpox is that its a team composed of 3 4 very huge guys, 3 medium guys, and 4-8 little guys

[jaunty dawn]

omg that is so much better than the current ones wtfffff

[past sphinx]

geuinely one of the best chaos scuplts ever done

up there with the old GUO

[soft willow]

A lot of the old Chaos Daemons hold up well.

[jaunty dawn]

yeah!!!!

[soft willow]

3rd was pretty prime daemon time.

[jaunty dawn]

theres some old daemonettes I love too. i should see if I can stl scans of them

[pastel rampart]

a lot of them have 3D scans you didn't hear this from me

[bold halo]

yeah the old metal daemons from around 3rd to 4th-ish 40k were formative experiences for me ngl

[jaunty dawn]

haha jinx

[bold halo]

I get why bloodletters aren't minotaurs any more but those sculpts were good

[floral herald]

I liked the rogue trader bloodletters

[soft willow]

The gangly bent over weirdos?

[jaunty dawn]

shark women peak

[bold halo]

oh those are FUCKED UP guys

why they so bendy

[pastel rampart]

I've yet to see scans of those specifically but there's one of the steeds out there.

[soft willow]

They look very pointy

[soft willow]

I wish they still sold these.

[pastel rampart]

Bare tiddies won't fly in most GW stores.

[bold halo]

wish I hadn't looked to see what all these metal daemons are going for now

[floral herald]

The vibe I get is that they're like rubber hose cartoon characters with unreal violence shaped bodies

[bold halo]

it's $expensive

[soft willow]

Yeah they should have kept the newer sculpts closer to these but just covered them up rather than the weird hair ones that exist now.

[pastel rampart]

Current sculpts are admittedly closer to RT-era daemonettes, though a far cry from shark-girls or bald crab ladies from 5e WHFB.

[uneven ember]

also feel like the Daemonette revamp made them way too static in their poses compared to the 3rd ed days

[floral herald]

I really want a range refresh for lesser daemons

Because it means they get out of WHFB regiment ready posing jail

Which made them all really static so they'd fit B2B

[soft willow]

I mean do they if Old World is back?

[floral herald]

Lordy that would be a monkey's paw curls moment

[pastel rampart]

Oh very much, but to be fair they came out at a time when GW was still a bit new at making 3D masters rather than traditional sculpts.

[floral herald]

But since 40k and AoS and Kill Team are all skirmish base games I can hope

[pastel rampart]

Funny enough while daemonettes rank up relatively fine, the bloodletters do not. Like, at all.

[bright dove]

My favorite Daemonettes!

[floral herald]

Yeah Bloodletters have kind of static posing and don't rank haha

[jaunty dawn]

daemons are a legends faction in old world I think

[pastel rampart]

It's the swords that make it difficult to rank up, they're just jutting out all over the damn place.

[jaunty dawn]

so unlikely to be a real risk

[floral herald]

Also AoS models all fucking rule and I wanna see the people responsible for like... Nighthaunt make daemons

Shit could be so peak

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[pastel rampart]

I just hope that while poses will be more dynamic they won't be delicately balancing on their tippy-toes.

[floral herald]

The new AoS-era Greater Daemons are pretty slick

[jaunty dawn]

all the updated slaanesh stuff for aos is pretty dope tbh

[floral herald]

I picked up Dexessa on sale just for the look

And I guess she's technically usable in 40k

[pastel rampart]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-sonic-tormentors-male-armor-variants-355465 Also, god, I saw these noise marine terminator STLs that looked great at first blush but then checked the other photos

and for some reason they made them juicy.

[tepid stratus]

Nope, her and Syn are explicitly not in 40k

[jaunty dawn]

found the right keywords for these and jesus fuck theyre like £200 a unit on ebay

[past sphinx]

ATR always throws some real interesting ideas into their scuplts

[pastel rampart]

Interesting is a word to describe them, yes.

[past sphinx]

mostly slapping big ol boobs on things

[floral herald]

Counts as KoS tho

[pastel rampart]

At least they're equal in making men and women weirdly horny.

[bold halo]

god easily the worst box to get to rank up in whfb was dark elf corsairs though

[tepid stratus]

If you rebase her sure I suppose

[bold halo]

I had to go one by one posing them to rank up nicely to what was already built and number the bases because they weren't going to go together any other way

10/10 box though extremely good kit, incredible extra bits, got tons of mileage

just a nightmare to get ranked

[jaunty dawn]

my parent has metal regiment of renown crossbow/sword pirate dark elf unit and they rank horribly

maybe they were meant to be skirmishers to be fair

[bold halo]

that's the one

[pastel rampart]

I'll let'cha know if I ever find them floatin' on the internet.

[jaunty dawn]

that would be great

[bold halo]

these assholes

oh you said metal lol, nvm

that would've been the shades I think?

[jaunty dawn]

they do suck too, but uhhh

mengil manhide's something something

[bold halo]

OH

the manflayers

[tepid stratus]

Ah mengil's mamflayers

[pastel rampart]

There was a point in late WHFB's life when GW just decided that no, things do not have to rank up properly, and fuck you if you ever want to remove models from the unit.

[jaunty dawn]

yedsss

[bold halo]

these guys

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/Kg4Z7/32768ac3a3.jpg

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

they're really cool actually, but like

extremely awkward

and heavy. fall over a lot on their dinky 20mm square bases

[pastel rampart]

I do miss how you'd get shields and banners that's just like, a face stretched out over it.

Like the sculptor wanted to fill up some space but couldn't think of anything.

[tepid stratus]

Why are they on circles in the photo anyways?

[floral herald]

It's a little bit there right?

[jaunty dawn]

made to order reprint post aos, I think

the hammer symbol is made to order limited editions

[tepid stratus]

Oh I didn't realize they were in a made to order wave

[jaunty dawn]

oh. the hammer symbol isnt in that photo. it is in other versions of that photo Ive seen hhaa

[floral herald]

I'm kinda surprised that this move made it into KT2024

[jaunty dawn]

oh shit what auto bolt rifles are torrent 1" now

kinda surprised stalkers lost piercing

[floral herald]

A LOT of things lost piercing

[jaunty dawn]

thats fair!

theres just also a couple teams that are like all piercing forever

but ofc they are built around that

ah okay so its selfish captain vs support sergeant

neat

[floral herald]

Yeah some teams get a lot anyway

P2 is actually really rare now

[jaunty dawn]

...just realised I have 40mm based heavy bolter model

the havoc

[floral herald]

haha

[jaunty dawn]

oh I didnt realise elims were 40mm

eliminator fucks, damn

no mobile profile (or, well, he has a pistol) but three rifle profiles, all silent

[tired cairn]

Does the sergent guy still get a mobile profile (with the carbine)?

[jaunty dawn]

uh no you only get a generic rifle elim in angels of death

cause partially its meant to be the blind bag one

[floral herald]

And he's I think the only double shoot sniper I can think of offhand

[jaunty dawn]

amusing how the angels of death warriors dont have a special rule. pure stat check

[floral herald]

Angels of Death not Angels of Rules

[jaunty dawn]

(plus the one they had became a space marine rule in general)

[floral herald]

AoD seem dope if they get a box I'll probably get it

[jaunty dawn]

that would be nice

especially since they are touch less accessible now that you really want at least an eliminator or heavy bolter, though in a pinch you can just stick a guy on a spare 40mm base. and I like that you dont need both

but yeah. pretty solid stat check, simple rules. well designed team for its role in the meta I think.

[past sphinx]

Shame the havoc sarg is just a meat shield, quite like him and his mallet

[floral herald]

Yeah it's a good evolution of them for sure

Still simple but I like how they're not quite a monobuild as they used to be

[jaunty dawn]

YEAH

dude fucks severely

[floral herald]

I love that mallet I stole it and put it on a Legionary as an ersatz heavy melee weapon

[jaunty dawn]

a lot of people use him as a base for character conversions, with good reason

mine has a power fist and it looks dope

just works with his pose really well

[lofty warren]

ah yeah, forgot about em. i should run em

[floral herald]

Especially after Space Marine 2 I'm liking them

[spice flicker]

So how do you feel about people who bring a lot of epic heroes in a crusade?

[floral herald]

I don't have strong feelings on it but it seems to both be sort of against the spirit of the mode and to lock you out of the cool progression minigames

[spice flicker]

Got an eldar player who is planning to take a lot of them go provide buffs, "create an army of exiles," use the heroes as bullet sponges to try and mitigate injuries to the bodygards (to reducd chance of out of action tests), and so he doesn't have to worry about out of action tests since epic heroes don't take them.

[jaunty dawn]

yeah no fuck that

[floral herald]

I'd say good luck I guess

Given the Eldar don't have a lot of tanky heroes haha

[rocky shale]

Eldar just doesn't have a lot of generic characters for the size of the range

You have autarch (+ winged and bike) farseer (+bike), warlock (+bike), spiritseer, then the harlequin ones which can only lead troupes

Rip bonesingers

2/3 autarch and bikeless warlocks are also very underwhelming

Farseer and jumptarch are slam dunks for crusade tho

The only tank epic hero is the avatar or yncarne or maybe fuegan

[spice flicker]

I've tried to talk him down but on his list of epic heroes to get:
Avatar of khaine
Eldrad
Rangers epic hero
Fire dragon epic hero
Solitaire
(Maybe) Dire avengers epic hero
Others as he sees fit

[rocky shale]

Most of those can't tank hits

[spice flicker]

It's more allocate the wounds to them before allocating to the unit serving as the bodyguard.

[rocky shale]

Like if your game plan as Aeldari is for your guys to tank hits, you already lost

[spice flicker]

It seems he is very adverse to taking the risk of the battle scars and having to pay to remove them.

[rocky shale]

Letting the Phoenix lord die first is gonna lost him a lot of games more than it's gonna help out of game stuff

[past sphinx]

Is the skull face to corny or right on corny

[spice flicker]

Also only player I've talked to so far who is looking at taking epic heroes. I haven't explicitly banned epic heroes but have heavily discouraged it and explained they don't get any benefits from crusade and it's better to just take generic guys and upgrade them over time.

[rocky shale]

Epic heroes can be key for Aeldari lists due to being the only leaders for really key units, but the reason he's taking them is like the exact opposite of why you would take them

[spice flicker]

Reminds me of the nails the world Eaters have.

[rocky shale]

Most of the time a Phoenix lord's bodyguards are more for extra wounds to keep the lord alive

[spice flicker]

I think it's mostly a risk adverse motivation and getting stomped by amateur custodes while learning the game led him to seeking out ways of dealing with things so he found the avatar of khaine and the ranger hero with things progressing from there.

[rocky shale]

AoK is good and I like illic because a full squad of Rangers with lone op is funny

But being able to buff a winged autarch is also too good to pass up

[spice flicker]

That was his idea for them.

[rocky shale]

I'd also be tempted to mess around with troupe master and 5 troupes in a falcon since you can upgrade him too