not obviously plasma, not obviously volkite, not obviously phosphor, so it's just. whatever other gun Melt Shit Good
#Warhammer and Such
floral herald
A Meltagun works by inducing a minute, sub-molecular reaction within a highly-pressurised pyrum-petrol fuel mix located within an ammunition canister,
They are basically gasoline powered in this telling
past sphinx
HIGH GRADE LEADED GAS FUMES
granite basin
I CAST LEAD POISONING
floral herald
If it helps, "Pyrum" is a medieval version of the latin word for "pear"
granite basin
If it helps, "Pyrum" is a medieval version of the latin word for "pear"
that does Not help
to be fair, i can excuse dog latin in 40k bc low/high gothic are probably their own thing piggybacking off of latin
floral herald
"sub-molecular" is also weird
Yeah I think its meant to be like a variation on "pyro" so its like extra burny petrol
granite basin
extra super duper burn juice
floral herald
But its funny to imagine its Pear Oil
"Sub-molecular" is also a weird way to describe it
Like is it doing carbon-carbon fusion?
Slapping some hydrogens together with reckless abandon?
I am tickled by the idea of it being a supertech gun which uses conventional hydrocarbon fuel for a fusion reaction
And the Imperium just happened to not lose the STC for them
mild glen
The truth is that nobody in the Imperium knows how Meltaguns work, but they all believe it has a given effect and so it does, because humans have the WAAAAGH!
granite basin
But its funny to imagine its Pear Oil
even if it contributes nothing to the actual design
- placebo effect compounds with faith/belief being an actual superpower
- questioning the process is heresy
floral herald
- they just call it pear oil since it makes whatever you point it at pear shaped so to speak
mild glen
Excuse you, Ciaphus Cain told me it was called "ploin" shaped, not "pear" shaped.
floral herald
Oh jeez I've been exposed as only having read the first one of his books
granite basin
you should play it off, in true ciaphas cain fashion
uneven ember
"melta weapons work by having absolute nutters run toward monsters and tanks to stick the melta gun in their tailpipe instead of calling in an artillery strike like a normal person"
granite basin
So. Silly Wrath and Glory question, or just general lore question again.
My friend wants to make a character who is a fresh-faced Primaris Marine, who is just an insufferably arrogant dipshit with delusions of grandeur (or as much as he can get away with without getting Reamed by his superiors) and there's a specific angle of that I'm trying to work out. Bc the original (non-40k) version of this character was basically a Mama's Boy with a grossly inflated ego that insulated him from correctly estimating his own abilities.
Now, I know Astartes trend very disciplined and homogeneous within their ranks, but is there a way where either that dynamic or a version of that scenario can plausibly work?
misty violet
So there are Primaris who are converted from pre-Primaris marines, Primaris made new but but after their introduction as members of existing chapters, and there were also a large number of Primaris made by Cawl and basically put on ice until Guilliman told him to let them out and either put them in brand new all Primaris chapters or in to a massive crusading force called the Unnumbered Sons which were slowly broken up as they became reinforcements/replacements for existing chapters. Those ready made Primaris were called the Awoken and either of the two options for them would probably be a good bet for that angle
Maybe even one that was supposed to go to being an Unnumbered Son but for whatever reason wasn't defrosted immediately, the Imperial bureaucracy is like that at the best of times, and so only recently started fighting
desert jay
Using the Unnumbered Sons to fight as a crusade sure sounds like legion behavior...
misty violet
Basically, yeah, though as I understand it it was never meant to be reinforced or replaced. The Unnumbered Sons, after their creation, only lost marines (to casualties, acting as replacements for other chapters, or to the formation of new chapters when that became useful/possible) without gaining any
misty violet
Using the Unnumbered Sons to fight as a crusade sure sounds like legion behavior...
In general though the entire Primaris initiative does kind of fly in the face of everything put down in the codex astartes...
Not least of which is the replacement of tactical squads with a vast number of specialists
Which I will never forgive GW for
There's really something so much more fun about units coming with tons of options on their sprues
balmy wave
did I miss any conversation about the AoS battlescroll?
cinder wraith
necromunda campaign ended
i won in my last game
everyone that wasnt taken out of action survived
i did a military honor funeral for the fallen enforcers in my gang
in the ash wastes
pulsar cairn
MOON
pastel rampart
south axle
I find it interesting that Clan Eshin is the clan closest to Khorne
paper bluff
In general though the entire Primaris initiative does kind of fly in the face of...
G man made the codex and says it's actually just a guide and also he can make up exceptions
jaunty dawn
Not least of which is the replacement of tactical squads with a vast number of s...
the various squad types are just loadouts taken up by tactical squads
pulsar cairn
hi penny 
jaunty dawn
the lack of generic kits does kinda suck but it does mean you get about the same amount of plastic but put into a ton of different options like reloads etc
hi skully :)
tardy vault
did I miss any conversation about the AoS battlescroll?
Nah don't think so. It's AoS so most people here aren't in tune enough to talk balance.
south axle
My sole opinion of AoS is that rats are cool and cute
floral herald
It looks good to me
The changes
Nighthaunt needed a bonking and got it and otherwise it was relatively light touches
Which I think is good since I think a lot of the factions are looking poor statistically in their shadow
tardy vault
The DoK TP changes are generally well received on the discord. No one seems to care about the point changes tho.
balmy wave
No I think the point changes are great across the board
My favourite change, even though I don't play the army, is the Ironjawz one
Where you may call as many Waaagh!s as you have heroes
untold swallow
Coming up with an asshole Inquisitor's retinue is great fun
ebon forge
Btw, if you had to recommend 1 Dorn book, which would be?
spice flicker
So did anyone else see the faq update for agents....
rocky shale
No?
spice flicker
It wasn't much
ebon forge
https://x.com/Eliphusz/status/1839287096340533455 warhammer getting more mainstreams have it's perks
Twitter
She will learn Calgor favorite spell
Fist
upper bluff
Warhammer needs to get mainstream enough that we start getting Dante sad blorbo edits
granite basin
be the blorbino content you want to see
ebon forge
Btw, this is Tscheense stuff, what is it exactly?
floral herald
Tzeentch stuff
upper bluff
birds, sorcery, tentacles, and blue
those are the 4 pillars of tzeentch. All tzeentch stuff will have one of those
ebon forge
Ah so is no one in special, mostly likely fan-art?
alrighty
upper bluff
yeah, like maybe it's a sorcerer from a fantasy novel but there definitely isn't a miniature of that guy
finite compass
That definitely looks like a fantasy sorceror
ebon forge
I see, thank ya
paper bluff
Tzeech also usually extra eyes
thin ibex
Silly idea. Tyberos the Red Wake is stealthy due to his intimidation score, not his stealth score
past sphinx
is he ever even described as sneaky
untold swallow
https://x.com/Eliphusz/status/1839287096340533455 warhammer getting more mainstr...
What Chapter would a Toriel-like character be part of lmao
Additional question; how easy is it to make a Phobos Librarian in Wrath & Glory?
thin ibex
is he ever even described as sneaky
Iirc yeah, but I don't have quotes on hand
ebon forge
Additional question; how easy is it to make a Phobos Librarian in Wrath & Glory?
Tier 3 character, so it would be a 'high level' campaign
ebon forge
What Chapter would a Toriel-like character be part of lmao
Salamnder, ezz
untold swallow
Tier 3 character, so it would be a 'high level' campaign
My partner if we play WanG wants to do a Sister of Silence, so
XD
floral herald
is he ever even described as sneaky
Quiet iirc, but not really stealthy
solemn gull
A WanG campaign set on gorkamorka would be the shit
untold swallow
Tier 3 character, so it would be a 'high level' campaign
also apparently according to the rules it's tier 4 XD
ebon forge
A WanG campaign set on gorkamorka would be the shit
Don't give me hope, please
ebon forge
also apparently according to the rules it's tier 4 XD
.
Oh yeah tier 4 whoops
untold swallow
also tfw I have to do advanced creation cuz it's a firstborn not a primaris l o l
spice flicker
I once was considering running an only war campaign that would have the party's Regiment stuck on a "pre dark age of technology terra" that would have followed the plot of the Command and Conquer Yuri's Revenge mod Mental Omega's plot but with the party and their Regiment participating in some of the battles. With their experiments in mutations, psychic manipulations, viruses, and other shenanigans, I was going to have the Epsilon faction be revealed to have been infiltrated by chaos cultists as well.
untold swallow
I am extremely glad WanG has an online character creator
spice flicker
Oh?
untold swallow
spice flicker
Nice
still warren
Tau definitely have an excel equivalent right?
mild glen
Hey, as I'm sitting here, painting my Riptide -- given that T'au drones are essentially, free-floating tokens representing more guns, how do we feel about mounting said drones on the same base as the main battlesuit?
thin ibex
they'll snap off i think, but also yeah that
if you're gonna make em attach to the same base, do it magnetically so you arent committed to it
ebon forge
https://www.doctors-of-doom.com/forge
More characters to do and never play with :3c
untold swallow
lmao
jaunty dawn
I'd agree with not doing so permanently but I think otherwise it's a good idea
especially with larger bases like riptide
gives you a lot more freedom for posing when they don't need to be just on the ground
untold swallow
So
Kind of an 'oc don't steal' question
If you're starting at tier 4, can you as an astartes take a witchblade since ur allowed 2 pieces of very rare gear, or no?
floral herald
Usually you need matching tags to take gear
One of the dw tier up packages might give an exception
untold swallow
gotcha
floral herald
Deathwatch do make use of alien weapons some so outside of the RAW it’s not impossible
They use Necron phase swords and purified tau guns and such from time to time
ebon forge
How do you purify a tau gun?
tired cairn
Just put some skulls on it. And maybe a purity seal or two
floral herald
It’s not hard to imagine a Witchblade festooned with stuff like that yeah
untold swallow
I am trying to find the Deathwatch ascension and can't lmao
tired cairn
I like the bolt shell sanctification unit too lol
ebon forge
PURIFIED
floral herald
It may have been homebrew I used a fuck-ton of homebrew when I ran W&G
ebon forge
Did they just shoved a whole Servo-skull on it?!
floral herald
I like the bolt shell sanctification unit too lol
The (living?) head on it is wild
tired cairn
I didn't even notice that. But the imperium sure loves people's heads as cogitator interfaces
untold swallow
It may have been homebrew I used a fuck-ton of homebrew when I ran W&G
it indeed was lmao
The Apocryphon Oath is an ascension package from something called 'An Abundance of Apocrypha'
floral herald
I recommend it there’s a lot of quality homebrew and 1st party space marine content is kind of thin on the ground
untold swallow
And it does let you pick a single xenos tag and make it yours for the purpose of equipment
floral herald
Aha
uneven ember
# *Did they just shoved a whole Servo-skull on it?!*
And a bayonet
past sphinx
how many thousands of dollars do you think have gone towards people accidentally buying Epic models
"hey thats an incredible deal"
pine matrix
Is that an Eldar head with dot matrix screen stuck in it
floral herald
Yeah I think so
pine matrix
Fucking gross as hell, I love it
floral herald
Yeah its Imperium as HELL
cosmic tulip
That head is grim
pine matrix
Reminds me of a picture of a nurgle plague grenade that's just a severed head 
incredible macabre
rocky shale
That head is grim
Possibly even dark
pine matrix
I've seen at least two instances of people seeing cherubs in space marine 2 and being like "what the fuck is that"
floral herald
Deathwatch field expedient tools
pine matrix
*angry noises*
I feel you, not even the DEldar would do something like....well they'd use a more sophisticated computer anyway
floral herald
Yeah Deldar would do that
pine matrix
Love the details on the gun!
floral herald
I love that model
That's good paintwork too yeah I like how its fairly elegant looking
https://x.com/tempura_person/status/1838926432820678710
What is Tzeentch's face just looks like that?
Twitter
bold halo
as much as I was ready to commit to soulblight gravelords yesterday I can't deny it any more
gloomspite gitz have my heart
floral herald
They're SO good
bold halo
mangler squigs really sold it but all the cool troggs don't hurt at all
and I usually go for the cool/edgy faction I want to have FUN this time
I'm gonna find the answer to "how many squigs is too many"
untold swallow
I continue to be sad about no gravis librarian
bold halo
Squigalanche
finite compass
How do you purify a tau gun?
uneven ember
https://fixupx.com/plasmometer/status/1839266094361583992?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjov...
There's a scene in Gallivant where the recently promoted head chef to the evil king (following the former chef, his father, being tragically executed for serving undercooked lamb) gets grilled on "is this... lemon?
"Because THAT... is... delightful!"
uneven ember
Spot the Wonder Drone!
pastel rampart
https://x.com/tempura_person/status/1838926432820678710
What is Tzeentch's face ...
Vtuber designs.
floral herald
lmfao
granite basin
no *officially playable T'au
bold halo
ok after reading up on how gloomspite actually play they pass the final test, this sounds fantastic
full send, I'm goblin man now
uneven ember
I dunno that T'au really need special rules to play
Basically human-level capability
plucky token
would be mostly for their equipment and such, since that's pretty radically different from the imperium's
and yeah, there are some 3pp tau rules out there on the web
err, not 3pp, but homebrew, rather
untold swallow
The Apocryphon Oath is an ascension package from something called 'An Abundance ...
this homebrew supplement has Fenrisian wolves
wild fog
*this homebrew supplement has Fenrisian wolves*
But there are no wolves on Fenris
past sphinx
*this homebrew supplement has Fenrisian wolves*
as PCs?
untold swallow
as wargear followers
untold swallow
But there are no wolves on Fenris
lmao
past sphinx
ah
bold halo
goblins can turn this guy into a wizard this is the best faction
also accidentally backdoored myself into just playing trollbloods again lmao
past sphinx
peak wizard perfection
bold halo
I can't escape
past sphinx
give in
bold halo
big regenerating guys are made for me
past sphinx
let the deep water take you
bold halo
no my brother's playing idoneth
I do love that I can have speedy glass cannons, giant horde tarpit units, and hard as nails regenerating big dudes in the same army
little bit of everything good
mild glen
Chat. Am I being "that guy" by parking a brick of units with 8 flamers next to one of Opp's infantry units and keeping them there all game?
past sphinx
no
soft willow
We need more context, friendly game? Comp play?
Like probably not, but also that's not really enough to make a call.
mild glen
Friendly. But it was very much their big melee brick of Dude With Sword and Helbrecht.
past sphinx
simply charge the flamers when they dont have overwatch, thus butchering them like lambs
soft willow
Yeah they can play around you doing that.
So it's partly a strategy thing.
You also have a cost in keeping a command point in reserve.
tardy vault
Yeah, that reads like you're playing well because "this is a scary brick of dudes let me set them on fire" is a proper response to a scary brick of dudes
soft willow
Bringing a big brick and helbrect is probably not the most friendly thing either so they can deal.
mild glen
They also have fall back and shoot, so my response to getting charged was to fall back to next turn and do it again.
past sphinx
flamers into marines wont do much anyway
soft willow
Yup. And you still have to get through the fight phase for that anyway.
past sphinx
flamers are secretly great as they are nonsecretly kinda terrible and should never have become a monoloadout unit
just a giant primaris trap
BUT
holding objectives against movement and charges against hordes? excellent
soft willow
Inquistiorial Agents hate this one weird trick!
mild glen
Oh. I'm in T'au. These were Crisis suits and also had a bunch of gun drones (but those had to roll to hit still)
past sphinx
i presume it was helbretch with sword brethren?
soft willow
Yeah I meant they hate getting flamered.
past sphinx
because sword brethern are very much built for killing suits like chosen
hell chosen dont even get a flamer pistol
witch sucks because let the galaxy burn is a rad strat and i we have like 0 flame access
cant even take 2 flamers in a squad of 10!
mild glen
Alright. Just wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally make Opp mad at me.
Since I'm new and stuff and keep feel like I'm flubbing Warhammer etiquette.
bold halo
You're there to try to win the game, it's all good
Things like building a list to specifically counter what you know your opponent is doing or angle shooting rules etc are That Guy behavior, not so much doing something effective with what you brought
tardy vault
Yeah, you brought Tau. Shooting dudes then falling back when charged is like the expected thing
It'd be like getting angry at a Guard player for bring 5 tanks
bold halo
You're under no obligation to let them charge and kill your crisis suits because falling back and shooting might make them feel bad
past sphinx
in the charge phase simply stare them dead in the eye, let the color run from your face and your eyes go dead and say very firmly but quietly "come and take them"
works every time
mild glen
Things like building a list to specifically counter what you know your opponent ...
Sorry. Can you define "angle shooting" for me, please? I've heard this phrase but never 100% had it explained to me.
Is that stuff like "my one guy can see four molecules on this dude's toe, so I have LoS?"
past sphinx
ratfucking the other guy by riding them on absolute exact wording on their rules
or basically just dogshit sportsmanship
like eldar d-cannon crews didnt count as the actual factual model model on the board but did take up space so you couldnt actually charge D-cannons
tardy vault
Yeah, Angle Shooting isn't a specific thing. It's just being an ass
past sphinx
err sorry it was cannon crews werent restrained to a bubble around the cannon so you could screen charges and deep strikes with free dudes
tardy vault
The big one is not hiding info that your opponent should know. If they ask "can those dudes advance and shoot" answer truthfully. Warhammer is supposed to have no hidden info but no one is going to memorize every unit and rule.
past sphinx
OR "can those dudes advance and shoot" "no" then using a strat later to give them advance and shoot
tardy vault
Also, if they make a silly mistake like say then move a unit right up to an objective but are technically just off it point it out
past sphinx
not technically lying but still being a bastard
mild glen
What if I forgot about the advance and shoot strat until that moment?
(I still forget most of my strategems. I forgot I had tank shock at one point.)
soft willow
It’s probably okay to talk it through in a friendly game, but part of your responsibility is to know your own rules.
mild glen
So would it be cool ettiquette-wise to be "Oh, Crap, I forgot I do have an advance and shoot strategem, but I'm not going to use it because I told you last round I didn't"?
tardy vault
At the end of the day, you're two people playing with their funny little plastic army men you've spent way too much time and money on. As long as you play with that in mind you'll be fine.
mild glen
Like. During the declare formations rule I pointed out that being in Mont'ka meant all my guns have assault, but forgot to mention guided units get lethal hits until my first 6.
past sphinx
i have forgotten to shoot my land raider, gotten to the charge phase, charged and entire unit into a wardog then asked if i could shoot my land raider witch in turn killed the wardog causing a time paradox
and it was cool
because i was cool and he was cool
very cool dudes all around
be cool and its probably going to be cool
sunglasses at night as such
mild glen
Look, I'm new and the game is very old and most of my opponents are going to have a lot more experience than me and I'm super worried about accidental etiquette breaches
tardy vault
You are making mistakes
And are openly a new player
Its expected
Like, they've played against Tau
They probably know what's going to be happening
Or at least the shape of it
soft willow
If you're still making these mistakes constantly in like a year with the same army then maybe start worrying, but learning is a process and don't sweat it.
Maybe let your opponent know you're not super confident in your rules yet.
floral herald
cant even take 2 flamers in a squad of 10!
?? 10 legionaries can get 2 flamers
Or did you mean chosen?
past sphinx
i didnt think you could double up on special weapons
floral herald
It's just choose 1 special/heavy weapon per 5
I don't think its ideal but I'm pretty sure its allowed
past sphinx
For every 5 models in this unit, 1 Legionary’s boltgun can be replaced with one of the following (duplicates are not allowed):
thats from waha atleast
floral herald
Oh you may be right, waha is rarely wrong
I don't usually look at taking 10 strong legionaries so I may have missed that
Whack
floral herald
it is yeah
Ok yep, I just can't read good
Duplicates are not allowed is super there
floral herald
LTGB is such a weird sacred cow
They had it in 9e as an army rule no one cared about too
past sphinx
LTGB? big fan of those guys and gals and such
floral herald
Ok that's a pretty funny set of shared letters
past sphinx
for some reason the loyalists get a full flamers unit and we dont
id run heavy flamer havocs all day for the meme value alone
floral herald
We technically do via Rubric Marines
But I think they can't use ltgb anyway because it'd be too good
floral herald
I think Plague Marines can be ok but that's it
wild fog
I literally can't remember the last game of warhammer where someone didn't screw up a single rule
floral herald
I think Plague Marines can be ok but that's it
They're T5 and the same price as legionaries for sitting on midfield objectives and being hard to shift
mild glen
Or at least the shape of it
It probably doesn't help that my competitive gaming background is as Dimir in Magic, where "Gotchya" plays are almost polite.
floral herald
I had some games in 5e in an escalation league which were basically rule following
But its rare
I will say that you aren't necessarily obligated to tell someone what everything does at the start its just common sportsmanship and etiquette
I'm going to bed soon
But
I keep getting confused about how these undefeated Eldar lists work
Maybe I'm just set in my ways but it feels like they have such a minimal fire base its hard for me to imagine how they contol space and shootout people without taking too many losses cause they're not tough
brittle salmon
Maybe I'm just set in my ways but it feels like they have such a minimal fire ba...
A lot of it comes down to sheer maneuverability on most of the army, combined with the raw bulk of the Wraithguard block and the Avatar
It's hard to engage with such diametric forces equally
floral herald
That’s probably it yeah
It’s easy for me to underestimate the speed of all those redeploys and natural speed
I think I also have a very “48x60” perspective on army design which is just out of date now
floral herald
I’m so used to bigger boards and standardized 6” move speeds I think my instincts are just bad now haha
mental birch
granite basin
Follow-up question to my previous one:
Can Space Marines have mother figures? Like, ofc I can just make it so if I want to bc My Canon is My Rule, but is there a precedent for that Specific kind of familial connection? I'm assuming not so much
floral herald
How do you mean?
I remember a bit in a novel or short story where a dying space marine realizes he cannot remember the face of his mother or similar but that’s all that comes to mind
granite basin
Like, alright. This friend's character I'm trying to work with, from a different universe. The essential gist of it is that he's a Mama's Boy, and she grooms his ego into a way that makes him a bit insufferable
floral herald
Actually - Cyrene was sort of a mother figure for the Word Bearers way back when
granite basin
Can you, feasibly, have that kind of interaction between a space marine and, say, a tech priest who thawed him from Cawl's stasis pods?
A handler of sorts, maybe?
desert jay
Also Amar Astarte existed, which is also sorta a mother figure in a Madonna sort of way
floral herald
I think it’d be unusual because of all the The Chapter is All indoctrination
But there’s also multiple legions or groups in the heresy which had important women in them
desert jay
Like, alright. This friend's character I'm trying to work with, from a different...
For this dynamic, I could actually see it happening in a chapter that worked closely with the SOB or an Inquisitor
floral herald
Like Cyrene with the Word Bearers or Ilya with the White Scars
untold swallow
Yeah this feels like ground for a weird relationship formed while seconded to the Deathwatch or something
desert jay
And ending up with like a pesudo-adoptive-mom while a scout/aspirant
granite basin
Ah, alr alr. I like that idea
untold swallow
Would a Space Wolf or Salamander remember their family?
iirc they're pretty connected to their homeworlds
floral herald
Remember yes, interact with no for the Wolves
Salamanders to retain family ties
Ultramarines also do
granite basin
Bc like. The original idea is that originally his "mom" was very versed in genetic modification and told him how important and special he was, and then he predictably comes face first into reality when people who have more experience than him wipe the floor with him despite his alleged superiority
I tied that latter part of the complex into him being a fresh faced Primaris getting hazed by the rest of the chapter
untold swallow
Is this for a 40k rpg?
granite basin
Yep
floral herald
A way I can also see this is that Primaris Greyshields are bereft of a lot of the doctrine and support structure which a chapter provides
untold swallow
Make him a space wolf, have him get his ass handed to him in a Lion and a Wolf rite
floral herald
They’re kinda just fellas with a lot of guns training
And a general order to fuck shit up until they find their chapter
Which is a good recipe for nonstandard relationships
mild glen
IIRC, Salamanders canonically maintain close family ties and at least Robute Guilliman kept close with his adopted mother-figure.
granite basin
Yeah, I'm doing this for W&G, so what I'd come up with is that before he got deployed to Gilead to fill up the ranks of the Absolvers he was basically drilled into himself that his importance to the chapter could not be understated
This was in reality to not psych him out bc he's obviously out of his depth and being sent to die, but it sure did give him a savior complex
untold swallow
lmao nice
granite basin
So he gets this idea that he's going to Go Do Heroics and is instead saddled with a chapter of cagey bitter fucks who neither know him nor trust him
untold swallow
amazing
This will surely not lead him to suicidal acts of bravery in an attempt to cover the inevitable growing insecurity
granite basin
And gets sent out for busywork instead bc they need the warm bodies
Oh, of course not-
untold swallow
Now
Him being a former greyshield does make me wonder if the surrogate mother figure could be a Magos
granite basin
That's what I was thinking
untold swallow
A person working under Cawl, ye
granite basin
Ig I just didn't know if Cawl had any goons that would work under him and feasibly develop that kind of connection with his little pet projects
untold swallow
Well
A Founding is much, much more than a pet project
He would have had hundreds, if not thousands, of lackies
granite basin
Alr. That's about where I was looking for the answer.
Ty much, I think I've got it-
untold swallow
nice
meanwhile I'm making a Reiver Librarian for my W&G game
and my partner is playing a Leagues of Votann Slayer
mild glen
Piggybacking off the Astartes questions and also for a W&G character concept: say an Inquisitor wanted to poach a mortal serf from an Astartes chapter -- are there any Astartes that treat their serfs in any particularly interesting ways?
untold swallow
Piggybacking off the Astartes questions and also for a W&G character concept: sa...
The Fists, Wolves, and Blood Angels use specific sects of warrior serfs
Salamanders have serfs that brand them while reciting promethean cult liturgies
rocky shale
Maybe I'm just set in my ways but it feels like they have such a minimal fire ba...
Troupe and wraithguard brick also both regenerate models on top of being tough (4++ on troupe and t7 2+ on wg) all with a farseer for - 1 to wound
mild glen
The general idea is that the (Hereticus) Inquistor poached a serf that had a particularly noticeable talent for, like, subterfuge and investigation -- so probably pulled from a more secretive/intelligence-based Chapter like the Blood Ravens or the Dark Angels or the Raven Guard.
tardy vault
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Thinking going to go this was with my army.
Cheaper route
Tho annoyed no Priests
But it's a Snake list don't really have a choice
pastel rampart
paper bluff
how many thousands of dollars do you think have gone towards people accidentally...
My biggest fear when looking at knights on ebay
thin ibex
Twitter
untold swallow
oh my god lmao
paper bluff
Hang on... they might have finally reqlized
paper bluff
Oh good for them for getting it quick. High insight stat
untold swallow
Incredibly high insight
runic swallow
Eyes on the inside and all that
untold swallow
Incredibly low whatever stat is used for interpretation
Also I have finally figured out a cool backstory for my Wrath & Glory character and I am v happy
arctic lynx
I need to find this threat lmao
untold swallow
Cuz it incorporates Space Wolves superstition in an interesting way, i.e. 'how would Space Wolves cope about Librarian Gray Shields getting added to their ranks?'
I posit
paper bluff
"Hey guys, I think the guys that have mutilated babies flying around might not be the nicest guys and their praise of a faceless god-being with no deep thought is negative"
untold swallow
They would not, and ostracize them
paper bluff
They would not, and ostracize them
Consider, if you assimilate to fenris and it's culture (and drink and feast with them) you get some what accepted
untold swallow
yo is this a motherfucking space marine in a greatcoat???
untold swallow
Consider, if you assimilate to fenris and it's culture (and drink and feast wit...
I have considered; she almost died on the Trial of Morkai and brutally murdered a mad wulfen and a whole pack of Fenrisian Wolves, the last of whom she psychically dominated about it
Which the Rune Priests no likey
Not the killing of the wulfen and wolves part necessarily
such is the nature of the trial
bright dove
yo is this a motherfucking space marine in a greatcoat???
"Don't come to the Fortress-Monastery tomorrow."
untold swallow
But her dominance of the last wolf is seen by the priests as... fundamentally wrong
It makes the psychically sensitives' skin crawl
Cuz it's clearly not cooperation, or a relationship founded on respect
It is a master and her beaten hound
tardy vault
yo is this a motherfucking space marine in a greatcoat???
Kit when GW
you know it would sell
arctic lynx
yo is this a motherfucking space marine in a greatcoat???
I think that's Civitas Power Armour
tardy vault
"You can use the marines in greatcoats" as your faction pitch
arctic lynx
Or whichever one they had in the RPGs
arctic lynx
You could eventually train for and wear one as an acolyte but it had penalties to agility and had a battery life of a few hours.
Unless you somehow got a generator power pack
untold swallow
I think part of what makes her relationship with the Fenrisian Wolf unsettling is that the wolf is like
quiet
Like too quiet
thin ibex
On the subject of grey shield librarians, im pretty sure, much like other primaris ranks, they get trained by the seniors in the priesthoods; Logan letting em in wasn't logan saying they get to keep the culture they came with no?
so they'd be inducted into the rune priesthood
apothecaries getting folded into the wolf priesthood would probably be a big one
untold swallow
so they'd be inducted into the rune priesthood
My logic was that Rune Priests, at least according to old lore, deny they're at least 'true' psykers and that their power is linked innately to Fenris
A Gray Shield Librarian who joins the Wolves does not get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this, as they developed their powers away from Fenris and then were inducted into the Space Wolves
Sure they can be inducted into the Rune Priests and taught the unique psychic manifestations such an induction reveals
But they'd then kind of serve as an undeniable proof Rune Priests
are just psykers
And this character, who's experienced ostracization at the hands of those who are supposed to be her chapter, and whose relationship with Fenris is not one of cooperation, but the equivalent of being forced to wear a friendship t-shirt with it, would in my eyes be all too eager to point that out
'You're not better than me, or special, etc etc etc'
thin ibex
I think thats a workable narrative, though i think maybe it underestimates the mental gymnastics runepriests are capable of
"Undeniable proof? Hah, watch me"
untold swallow
She'd view her induction into the Space Wolves as, at best
A deserving theft of their cultural artifacts for her own use
untold swallow
"Undeniable proof? Hah, watch me"
fair
I am just a dark angels fan who always enjoys a good Space Wolves hoisting
thin ibex
sounds like a very fast way to become a lone wolf destined for death on the field with no pack
untold swallow
sounds like a very fast way to become a lone wolf destined for death on the fiel...
Exactly
She is now a very happy psychic lapwolf for a Rogue Trader who doesn't much care she's dabbling in some witchery
thin ibex
a bit unfortunate that lone wolves arent like a table mechanic in any way these days
untold swallow
I am just a dark angels fan who always enjoys a good Space Wolves hoisting
This is partially a joke, I enjoy Space Wolves fine
This just seems like a rly interesting way to get a Primaris Librarian Wolf into a Wrath & Glory game
thin ibex
lot of narrative forces working on such a character
untold swallow
no, she isn't starting the game with 6 Corruption and the Maleficarum discipline, why do you ask such foolish things?
soft willow
There are no wolves on Fenris.
floral herald
https://x.com/CerberusXt/status/1839406112984236085
This is really funny, just reading the setting perfectly off the bat
untold swallow
There are no wolves on Fenris.
Hǫsskrípi Wolf-Tamer (My character): points at hers "What do you mean, I have one right here."
ebon forge
is the Ork Codex 10th a good book to get reference material from Orks?
As in, ref to draw
floral herald
Yeah I think so
ebon forge
thank
thin ibex
ebon forge
Such eloquence
paper bluff
I wish they would do more bloodbowl battle reports
ebon forge
Any Ork players?
floral herald
I don’t play them now but they used to be my main army
ebon forge
Which clan you choose?
junior robin
my orks became unplayable this edition 
ebon forge
YEeeeah, i heard 10th Orks are extremely unfun, even for die hard ork players
junior robin
death skulls are my fave clan and the problem is more that I got probably 3000 pts orks but not enough of any of the units the different detachments focus on.
floral herald
Which clan you choose?
The clans didn’t have mechanics when I played Orks but mine were painted as Evil Sunz
ebon forge
death skulls are my fave clan and the problem is more that I got probably 3000 p...
What makes then your fav?
junior robin
looting stuff
ebon forge
Ain't that more Bad Moon stuff?
junior robin
no they are the rich guys
because their teeth grows faster
skulls like to steal stuff
ebon forge
That's fair , because i want to paint ork stuff but-
As much as I love the race, I am getting a bit of choice paralysis
floral herald
That’s what blood axes are for :p
ebon forge
What ya mean?o3o
floral herald
They’re the “camouflage clan”
ebon forge
I mean yeah I was torn between blood axes and evil suns
Blood axes Kultur is very interesting, and Evil sun goes
FAST
Freebootas are cool but I am not much on the pirate aesthetic
Blood axes it is, thank ya
floral herald
Oh whoops I got the names mixed up, mine were painted as Bad Moonz
I just had some red vehicles anyway
ebon forge
Is weird knowing so much lore but then when you can choose you are struck with Choice paralysis XD
Only reason I don't default to Goff honestly is because they are usually the least goofy of the Orks
floral herald
I’m getting hit with that bad for my Phobos kill team
Can’t decide what chapter to paint them
ebon forge
For Spezz i default to Salamander, scales are cool and the green pops out nicely
And you can use yellow as a strong contrast
Otherwise , sons of the phoenix white with a touch of purple is gorgeous. But the chapter symbol is a pain to handpaint
floral herald
Yeah I’m not fucking doing that freehand haha
I’m leaning towards navy/urban camo ultramarines
But I might also do camo DAs or BAs
ebon forge
What about the Raptors?
Single color, military green with white complementary color scheme
Weapons gunmetal black to relaly stand out
junior robin
or how about space shark camo?
ebon forge
or how about space shark camo?
junior robin
really want to do looted vehicles for my orks but the only options rule-vise is the battlewagon and its just too long for all general sized imperial tanks
spice flicker
Thoughts on this 2k daemons list with no epic heroes?
tired cairn
or how about space shark camo?
Did anyone at GW actually paint that scheme lmao
junior robin
probably not but I have seen some people on the web actually use it
past sphinx
Badab war paint fucks hard
junior robin
ooh the money I would pay for a Badab war expansion for HH
untold swallow
I just had a fun idea
my former space wolf's right pauldron has the sigil of the Rogue Trader dynasty she serves instead of her former squad and formation
past sphinx
That seems incredibly sacrilegious given wolfs culture
A good way to not get invited to fenrisgiving
untold swallow
That seems incredibly sacrilegious given wolfs culture
"That's the point."
spice flicker
Fenrisgiving is overrated anyway,
pastel rampart
Did anyone at GW actually paint that scheme lmao
bright dove
I'm more about Fenristaking myself
cosmic tulip
I have a idea
All guard army—but tau bits everywhere
Would be cool but I have enough unpainted tau
bright dove
So, a fun conversation that came up in another server that I wish to transplant here: Would anyone say that Tyranids have morality?
ebon forge
So, a fun conversation that came up in another server that I wish to transplant ...
Mourge, what is your favorite ork clan and why?
dense idol
insofar as a polar bear does, in that their choice to use violence follows a well-established line of internal moral reasoning along the lines of "me hungry, you yummy"
pastel rampart
If tyranids have morality it's as alien to us as their collective hive mind thought process is.
bright dove
Mourge, what is your favorite ork clan and why?
Goffs. Appeals to my Khornate main.
Also, good to see that people here are clear on that moral front
Had a guy in that over server try to say that Nids have individual personalities and rationale
spice flicker
Thoughts on 10th edition chaos daemons and which gods combo well?
ebon forge
Goffs. Appeals to my Khornate main.
True, true.
floral herald
So, a fun conversation that came up in another server that I wish to transplant ...
So this might be the unpopular answer but yes
bright dove
Oh yay! Hit me with it.
floral herald
It’s alien but relatively straightforward
Tyranid morality is that the highest calling and good is survival of the collective
#tabletop-discussion message
And they are by their standards, hypermoral
They’ve subordinated all other goals to The Good
Tyranid morality isn’t even that alien it’s just “my people must live on” what makes them alien isn’t the morality it’s the lack of sin
Like Tyranid Aarriors are all sapient and as smart or smarter than humans or Eldar
And they uniformly are entirely willing to lay down their lives for the hive mind
bright dove
These are excellent points
soft willow
I think the question is “willing” or designed to do so.
bright dove
The other guy was too focused on "The Hive Mind is identical to the Emperor"
soft willow
But regardless I agree with survival is all being the morality of the hive mind.
floral herald
I think the question is “willing” or designed to do so.
This is true but not a uniquely tyranid thing tbf
Custodes are also designed for it and such
untold swallow
https://web.archive.org/web/20240105072236/https://www.warhammer-community.com/2...
I fuckin thought that was a Gravis Librarian on the page for a sec I was about to be so happy
past sphinx
Though in interest the hivemind is a singular being and thus all actions of the nids could be contributed to one individual conscious
Its not surviving its expanding at an incredible rate
bright dove
An incredibly complex multicellular organism
untold swallow
huh...
weird edge case incoming
In Wrath & Glory, if a character manifests and sustains conjure flame to use it as a melee weapon while also wielding a force sword, would the Dual-Wield talent affect it?
tired cairn
And they uniformly are entirely willing to lay down their lives for the hive min...
Though, as conduits of the hive mind, it's unclear how willing they are as an individual
~~clearly the hive mind is the most extreme version of direct democracy ~~
Though I guess lictors are often separated and also pretty willing to die for it, so I guess it probably doesn't matter if they were connected or not
mild glen
Also Genestealers?
tired cairn
They cheat a bit and have a broodmind
thin ibex
orchid venture
i maded a space marine
jaunty dawn
they are her space marines...
untold swallow
spess marvins
uneven ember
i maded a space marine
SPESS MUHREEENS!
untold swallow
The *Superior* Space Marine
You say this just as I've made a Primaris marine who's a haughty bitch about it for WanG game XD
floral herald
I have somehow ended up with 2 (two) Eversor Assassins
If I play IA it's gonna be funny
granite basin
The *Superior* Space Marine
firstborn use beaky helmets, and as we all know
Beak Is Peak
rocky shale
I have somehow ended up with 2 (two) Eversor Assassins
Gw is cowards and made them epic heroes
Can't run my 12 assassin list
orchid venture
the fun thing is
this guy is primaris scale and proportioned
(hopefully, if i got it right, its printing right now)
secondus marine
gonna make a kill team
rocky shale
secondus marine
space marine 2 real
soft willow
I have somehow ended up with 2 (two) Eversor Assassins
I ended up with two Culexus assassins. I feel you got the better duplicate.
Though honestly the Culexus is the best it's ever been I think.
floral herald
Yeah I agree the new model is very cool
soft willow
Rules too.
It actually does a useful thing even if you opponent doesn't have psykers.
hybrid oyster
paper bluff
Yeah I agree the new model is very cool
new modl?
untold swallow
I am trying a funny tactic with my partner who doesn't know anything about 40k but is gonna maybe participate in our Wrath and Glory game
Ask him what his favorite WHF faction is
pulsar cairn
you know something weird
we dont often see beakie chaos space marines
isnt that weird?
wasnt the beak helmet quite common during the heresy?
thin ibex
youd think you see more bumpy armor
junior robin
"The Pattern was initially most widespread in Legions that were favoured by Warmaster Horus, and thus would become synonymous with Traitor Astartes." HH 2e 🤔
hearty relic
The actual answer is GW doesn't want to do the armor look for modern CSMs I guess
upper bluff
Smh no one remembers the famous Warhammer Astartes party switch
hearty relic
besides they also waffle between whether most CSMs are even Long War Vets
or just random dipshits from daemon worlds Marine'd Up
hearty relic
slightly more "Why" is why Raven Guard don't have it anymore, I think
thin ibex
raven guard beakies only
thin ibex
did chaos beakies sometimes turn into whole mouths
hearty relic
Beakies always work
they're great, I want more
this Deathwatch art has been stuck in my brain for YEARS because of how goofy but Cool it looks
wait what in the-
Huh
This image is saved as a gif off the bad Warhammer Wiki
fascinating
pulsar cairn
so from everything we know they should have more beaks
but some gw decision just happened 
jaunty dawn
chaos marines are mostly wearing the beak armour
pulsar cairn
you mean without the helmet?
jaunty dawn
mm
pulsar cairn
i see
jaunty dawn
i think the main reason for very few chaos mk6 helms is its hard to make it chaosy
whereas grille heads are menacing and you can just cover them with spikes
pulsar cairn
fair
hard whale
jaunty dawn
hard to make chaosy and still look good is more what I mean xP
untold swallow
hard to make chaosy and still look good is more what I mean xP
counterpoint, embrace the zany and make a TSons sorcerer with a beaky mask who looks like a Skeksis
finite compass
It's weird because the current CSM kit has what are pretty obviously corrupted Mk IV helmets
south axle
Unsure if this guys used to have a beaky or not
untold swallow
Unsure if this guys used to have a beaky or not
Okay this fucks
The number of TSons models I like has increased to two
pulsar cairn
now that i look close it kinda does, yeah
before i thought it was like a primaris helmet
pulsar cairn
The number of TSons models I like has increased to two
which is number 1?
south axle
Ahriman?
untold swallow
pulsar cairn
oh ahriman
pulsar cairn
good choice honestly
wild fog
The one Thousand Son so dumb even Magnus had a 'Oh come on, guy' moment
untold swallow
He's my favorite wizard archetype because he's me if I had magic
south axle
Kinda prefer pre-Heresy Ahri over post-Heresy
wild fog
(I'm kidding I love Ahri)
untold swallow
'Thinks it's cool as fuck and therefore they're cool as fuck, does something accidentally way above their paygrade, pays for it eternally'
See also, Shadow-Weaver
wild fog
'Ahriman you made it worse.'
'Worse? Or better?'
Thousand Sons: Dust noises
south axle
Kinda wanna see a hybrid between pre- and post-Herseys Ahri
untold swallow
Kinda prefer pre-Heresy Ahri over post-Heresy
I really don't like that one lmao
mostly his mask
It looks like a piece of paper with eye holes and an Eye of Horus drawn on it for some reason
south axle
This one looks sad
wild fog
Pre-heresy Ahri continuing the long tradition of 'all the Chaos characters used to be the more reasonable ones'
Except Erebus, who was always a bastard
paper bluff
Unsure if this guys used to have a beaky or not
Those tzeech beak heads are always so good
south axle
They could do a bit more, but I prefer this over hoverboard Ahri from the waist up
untold swallow
They could do a bit more, but I prefer this over hoverboard Ahri from the waist ...
Sentenced to death for the crimes of anti-Wizard robe and anti-Comfy ™️ /j
oh wait
waist up
I am a dummy
finite compass
Pre-heresy Ahri continuing the long tradition of 'all the Chaos characters used ...
I mean Lucius was also always a dick
So was Typhus/Calas Typhon
wild fog
Emperor's Children throw off the curve because the entire chapter are a bunch of jerks, Typhus is fair though
untold swallow
I like Ahriman as a classic literally no fucks given armored space sorcerer
finite compass
Trying to think of who they'd be for the othe rlegions
Night Lord guy didnt' survive the heresy
But his model was still awesome
wild fog
Best Ahriman ancedote is burying a bunch of Thousand sons in the dirt just so he could prank an inquisitor several thousand years later
finite compass
Sevatar: Also the guy who mouthed off to Curze about how his entire philosophy was a self-serving excuse and didn't die.
untold swallow
The only Night Lord I know gets M. Bison'd by a Blood Angel
wild fog
Sevatar: Not wrong.
south axle
This guys cloak fucks
untold swallow
i.e. 'for you it was the greatest day of your life, for me it was Tuesday.'
south axle
finite compass
``Curze’s pale lips peeled back from his filed teeth. ‘There was no other way.’
‘No?’ Sevatar answered his father’s snarl with a grin. ‘What other ways did you try?’
‘Sevatar…’
‘Answer me, father. What politics of peace did you teach? What scientific and social illumination did you bring to this society? In your quest for a human utopia, what other ways did you try beyond eating the flesh of stray dogs and skinning people alive?’
‘It. Was. The. Only. Way.’
Sevatar laughed again. ‘The only way to do what? The only way to bring a population to heel? How then did the other primarchs manage it? How has world upon world managed it, with resorting to butchering children and broadcasting their screams across the planetary vox-net?
‘Their worlds were never as… as serene as mine was.’
‘And the serenity of yours died the first second your back was turned. So tell me again how you succeeded. Tell me again how this all worked perfectly.’``
finite compass
The only Night Lord I know gets M. Bison'd by a Blood Angel
He comes back 10,000 years later as a Daemon Prince, only to get jobbed on again by the Blood Angels.
wild fog
'It was the only way, nobody talk about Corvus Corax.'
untold swallow
He comes back 10,000 years later as a Daemon Prince, only to get jobbed on again...
are you fuckin serious?
Amazing
wild fog
(Corvus Corax, the only pro-union Primarch)
wild fog
I continue to be salty about de-emphasizing Death Company for Blood Angels anad leaning more into the Sanguinary guard aesthetic, largely because I despise Sanguinary guard
finite compass
are you fuckin serious?
Wait, no, I was wrong. He comes back and gets jobbed on by the DARK Angels
untold swallow
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's even fucking better
<- Dark Angels Player
cosmic tulip
Does Warhammer count as an example of “the indomitable human spirit” in media?
I feel like it’s different from lancers idea of the unstoppable human spirit because humans in 40k are a myriad but kinda suck
tired cairn
The Imperium a pretty significant cause of the uncaring cruelty of the 40k universe
floral herald
I don't think most of the time when people say that they have a very cogent idea of what it means
But no, I don't think that 40k is about the triumph of the human spirit, more the endless debasement of it
tired cairn
But some 40k media has the main characters fighting against
floral herald
I think you can find examples of it but its not really a theme in 40k
tired cairn
But metaplot wise, things are slowly getting worse for humanity. And it's mostly humanity's fault
cosmic tulip
Yeah I figured ngl
I feel like the “best” example is humanity just won’t fucking die no matter what
But that’s more akin to roaches ngl
pulsar cairn
You could have situations about indomitable spirit of a specific human 
floral herald
"However ruined this world has become, however mired in torment and despair . . . life endures. Births continue. There is beauty in that, is there not?" —Melina
I think that you can make a statement that there's something like this to be said about the sort of fundamental goodness of the average imperial citizen, beset on all sides by inhuman propaganda and monsters but 40k isn't about how despite it all the average mid hiver is an ok person
pulsar cairn
But that’s more akin to roaches ngl
What are u? A craft worlder? 
floral herald
And 40k is pretty clear that essentially every path to power means giving up your humanity
cosmic tulip
What are u? A craft worlder? <:vicksyAngy:1191819829687091210>
I play eldar but no
It’s more like how roaches can survive nuclear disasters
And.. a lot of stuff in general
pulsar cairn
I play eldar but no
i knew something was up!
cosmic tulip
But do they thrive afterwards? Debatable
floral herald
Whether that's under an apothecary's knife, listening to the whispers of the dark gods, or just sealing away your humanity so you can order the pogroms needed to secure your political future
Which is why I would characterize it as the endless debasement of the human spirit
cosmic tulip
When I play darktide I’m like YEAHH FOR THE EMPEROR
When I log off of darktide I’m like
pulsar cairn
You legit have people who think the flesh is impure and rip away everything human about them
cosmic tulip
“Damn.”
cosmic tulip
Which is why I would characterize it as the endless debasement of the human spir...
That’s fascinating because I know a lot of academics who play Warhammer who are utterly blind to that
They know it as a terrible universe and that the imperium sucks
But I’ve never heard anyone consider it debasement
More just “it sucks and is unneeded but the alternative might be so much worse”
pulsar cairn
Honestly if i was the average human in 40k i would also say for the emperor a lot 
like the idea of some big entity looking out for you can bring SOME comfort..even if the emperor was a bastard
untold swallow
And 40k is pretty clear that essentially every path to power means giving up you...
TSons sorcerer becoming a skekses moment
tired cairn
The Darktide people are probably some of the better people in the Imperium
floral herald
*TSons sorcerer becoming a skekses moment*
Yeah their cup really runneth over with ways to lose your humanity
tired cairn
Helps that they primarily fight a clearly worse than the status quo opponent
(also some of them feel bad about the status quo)
floral herald
But I’ve never heard anyone consider it debasement
That’s interesting because I think it’s a very common theme in the setting
EG underneath the machismo and “hell yea” of the concept there’s a tragedy (which actually appears somewhat frequently in black library stuff) that space marines are essentially little kids who have their childhood and humanity taken from them to be indoctrinated as inhuman war machines
cosmic tulip
It’s also because people tend to have a surface level viewing of it
floral herald
And there’s a lot of similar parallels in other parts of the setting about how debasing power is
cosmic tulip
Like people say the guard are “normal” but the vast majority are just full blown fascists
More like drones than people
The guard we see in books are outliers most of the time
thin ibex
quesiton, i know a lancer is par excellence for anti tank firepower on sm, but hows the repulsor executioner's heavy laser destroyer?
floral herald
There’s a funny Reddit thread I saw which I think was actually really thought provoking where someone said that one of the things they liked about 40K was how there was no “free” source of power in 40K
floral herald
quesiton, i know a lancer is par excellence for anti tank firepower on sm, but h...
I’m not deep into space marines but my gut feeling is that it’s good but not quite as good since it’s 160 vs 220 pts and you don’t get more tank killing for the extra 60 points
Though you do get more guns in general
And T12 vs T10 and 4 more wounds
thin ibex
hmm ok, but like... still good and readily able to do the job, but probably not quite as efficient
floral herald
Yeah the gun is just as good it just might be a little less points efficient
thin ibex
like you wont really be shooting yourself in the foot if you used a redemptor executioner as a sort of centerpiece/firebase kind of deal
cool
i figured id recommend it to a buddy why is building a primaris wolves army as a nice centerpiece shooting support model
floral herald
Executioner is a worse unit rule for anti-tank than Aquilon Optics which is I think all you lose
thin ibex
all wrapped into one thing
floral herald
But yeah it seems quite viable to me
hybrid oyster
I dont play marines but I think the redemptor dread is supposed to be good atm?
thin ibex
redemptor is rock solid as a generalist/anchor i think
the achillus is debatably on par with the lancer
floral herald
I should probably start collecting some boys in blue
I’ve wound up with a weird number of them accidentally
thin ibex
lol
hybrid oyster
I might make a kill team for people to play as an intro to kill team
The only marines I've ever painted were gifts
floral herald
I’ve got a Phobos kill team and I’m digging the models
Which is making me consider getting some primaris fellas
hybrid oyster
I know they're supposed to be the like. Intro to painting models too. But before painting one I never realized how quick and nice theyd look when you could knock them out.
Like, so much less time than a guard model, especially with using an airbrush
floral herald
Oh I plan on making my space marines plenty hard to paint haha
hybrid oyster
That's true. I just painted a basic blue boy
floral herald
I’ve always liked the “codex approved camo scheme” look
floral herald
oh very nice
hybrid oyster
Thanks!
floral herald
I want to copy this guide https://imgur.com/gallery/how-to-paint-stipple-camouflage-on-miniatures-warhammer-40000-wwii-etc-b9DuX9H
orchid venture
what if assault intercessor (1995)
floral herald
Maybe stippling
It's stippled yeah
This is what I'm hoping for
Maybe a little greyer
floral herald
what if assault intercessor (1995)
I really dig these retro primaris
hybrid oyster
Honestly would be a very cool variation to see
"Oh those are just normal ultramar- holy shit wait"
sweet solar
what if assault intercessor (1995)
god this is so cool
untold swallow
EG underneath the machismo and “hell yea” of the concept there’s a tragedy (whic...
This is in fact so endemic to them that they often call their Primarchs "Father", no?
floral herald
Yeah its pretty common
untold swallow
And this is reinforced as a good thing to do by Imperial dogma
i.e. replace your familial connections with those to your warleader
untold swallow
EG underneath the machismo and “hell yea” of the concept there’s a tragedy (whic...
Oh also Librarians get a double whammy of this, especially gray shield primaris ones, because they get to experience the Black Ships before all the other shit
floral herald
Usually Librarians haven't been on the black ships but yeah I think Greyshields probably have
untold swallow
And that among other things means seeing a Sister of Silence
Which is definitely something that's going to haunt my W&G character for forever
hybrid oyster
What could possibly go wrong from seeing the women who don't have souls and see you as literally their prey
floral herald
Semi-apologies for the wall of text but this bit from the Night Lords book sums it up really well I think
The thin line of enforcers keeping the crowds back broke in several places. Small-arms fire banged out, putting down the few members of the mobbing crowd that sought to walk with the Astartes. Only a handful made it to the ranks of marching warriors. They weaved this way and that, looking lost, looking drunk, staring up like frightened, fevered animals into the faces of the walking warriors. A middle-aged man scrabbled at Talos’s chestplate with dirty fingernails. ‘Sorion?’ he asked. Before Talos could answer, the man fled, repeating the same whispered question to one of the Astartes two rows behind. At no point did the Legion stop marching. Pistol-fire broke out as the enforcers, in expensive business suits, took out one of the mortals in the avenue that strayed far enough from the Astartes to guarantee a kill-shot without hitting one of the armoured giants. None of the enforcers wished to risk his own death by missing and hitting the revered armour of the Night Haunter’s sons.
An elderly woman harassed Xarl. She was barely over half of his height. ‘Where is he?’ she shrieked, wasted hands scratching at the marching warrior’s armour. ‘Xarl! Where is he? Answer me!’ Talos could read the discomfort in his brother’s face as Xarl marched on. The old woman, beneath her mop of wild white hair, saw him paying attention. Talos immediately faced forward again, feeling the old woman clawing at his unmoving arm with her weak grip. ‘Look at me!’ she pleaded. ‘Look at me!’ Talos didn’t. He marched on. Weeping, wailing after him, the old woman fell behind. ‘Look at me! It’s you! Talos! Look at me!’ An enforcer’s gunshot ended her demands. Talos hated himself for feeling relief. Five hours later, back aboard Blackened, Xarl had sat next to him on the restraint couches. Never before – and never again – would Talos see his brother’s face marked by such hesitancy. ‘That wasn’t easy for any of us. But you did well, brother.’ ‘What did I do so differently?’ Xarl swallowed. Something seemed to dawn behind his eyes. ‘That woman. The one from the crowd. You… didn’t recognise her?’ Talos tilted his head, watching Xarl carefully. ‘I barely saw her.’ ‘She said your name,’ Xarl pressed. ‘You truly didn’t recognise her?’ ‘They were reading our names off our armour scrolls,’ Talos narrowed his eyes. ‘She said your name as well.’ Xarl rose to his feet, making to move away. Talos rose with him, gauntlet clamped on his brother’s shoulder guard. ‘Speak,
Xarl.’
‘She wasn’t reading our names. She knew us, brother. She recognised us, even after twenty years and the changes wrought by the gene-seed. Throne, Talos… You must have recognised her.’ ‘I didn’t. I swear. I saw only an old woman.’ Xarl shrugged off Talos’s grip. He didn’t turn around. His words echoed with the same finality as the gunshot that had silenced the old woman’s pleas. ‘The old woman,’ Xarl said slowly. ‘She was your mother.’
orchid venture
"Oh those are just normal ultramar- holy shit wait"
they look silly until you see them next to a guardsman
pulsar cairn
and they are not brick walls
finite compass
I'm pondering if I want to switch from Word Bearers to Alpha Legion
Though I have to admit that NL kill team looks neat.
hybrid oyster
I'm a big fan of recommending people just paint 1 kill team to decide if they'd actually like painting the army.
pulsar cairn
i like the Alpha legion a lot
hybrid oyster
Plus kill teams are super nice for display
finite compass
Yes
I'm just sort of dreading the 'paint lots of lightning flashes'
Given how shit I am at painting text on the Word Bearers. 😛
hybrid oyster
When I started working on skitarri I decided on the path of pain
I'm still not done building them because I finish building one and then stop from the time it takes
orchid venture
if i ever do horus heresy im torn between loyalist emperor's children, or alpha legion (they're disguised as every other legion)
hybrid oyster
hybrid oyster
Figuring out the battery packs in the bases is the worst part
The only thing keeping me going is that it'll look amazing when done
orchid venture
huge mood
hybrid oyster
orchid venture
i am genetically incapable of Being Normal about making warhammers and that is also what keeps me going so like, high five from the making-too-much-work-for-ourselves gang
hybrid oyster
The best and the worst gang
"I could just like. Paint it quickly"
"But what if you didnt"
"It would look cooler if you didnt"
orchid venture
i decided to start a tau army so i could have an army done faster than the guardsmen i make from scratch in blender
and then i choose this colour scheme
finite compass
Taulequins
hybrid oyster
AND edge highlights
orchid venture
edge highlighting the chequers!
finite compass
Alpha legion, at least is very easy to do now with the contrast paints
finite compass
spray them silver, layer on blue/green
orchid venture
i have never used a contrast paint for its intended purpose lol
they are to me a kind of specialist effects paint bc i cannot bring myself to use them normally
even if it would look better
because its the easier way to do it, and thus im robbing myself of Fun
hybrid oyster
Contrasts are super nice through an airbrush
floral herald
I've heard that contrast paints through an airbrush don't have quite the same effect but they also go right through an airbrush real nicely
hybrid oyster
I am also going to work on a singular primarch as a display piece so I can hate on primarchs while having a painted one.
orchid venture
if this project is successful and fun the capstone is gonna be 1995'ified gullimans
hybrid oyster
my one measure marine to show the display base size
I still need to pick the colors of the marines underneath
untold swallow
hybrid oyster
I also just used blue because I had it on hand
But since the pictures, I now have red leds
I can make darth the lion
rocky shale
I've heard that contrast paints through an airbrush don't have quite the same ef...
They're basically inks through an airbrush, but some of them like magmadroth orange have waaaaay more pigment than most artist inks I've used (and they dry matte)
untold swallow
But since the pictures, I now have red leds
Do the red and make his color scheme the Heresy DAngels one
mild glen
Pre-heresy Ahri continuing the long tradition of 'all the Chaos characters used ...
Konrad Kurze would like several words.
pulsar cairn
for sure
uneven ember
what if assault intercessor (1995)
I love him
untold swallow
I HAVE SEEN YOUR KIND BEFORE.
PASSING BY ON YOUR MALADAPTIVE RAFTS.
MALFORMED THINGS.
I KNOW WHAT YOU CALL ME.
OLD NIGHT. CHILD OF THE DARK AGE.
AN IRONY SO SWEET, EVEN I CAN TASTE IT.
WHEN YOU ARE THE ONES THAT SNUFFED THE CANDLE.
AFEARED OF WHAT I AM. WHAT WE ALL WERE.
- - - END MISSIVE ONE (01) - - -```The first contact my group will have with their... objective/secondary antagonist/mcguffin in my Wrath gameIs this a man of iron?
pulsar cairn
question
do eldar have the same lvl of tech as back in their glory days? or did they also loose a lot of it much like the humans?
untold swallow
Is this a man of iron?
runic swallow
🎉
rocky shale
do eldar have the same lvl of tech as back in their glory days? or did they also...
Pretty much the same, just way less of it in quantity
pulsar cairn
cool
past sphinx
Don't worry men of iron only have a +4 save and an assault cannon
untold swallow
HA
Ones that aren't embedded in the archeotech networks of an entire goddamn planet you mean
past sphinx
Of course their greatest weakness is the built in kill limit
We only need to send waves and waves of our own men to short them out
uneven ember
do eldar have the same lvl of tech as back in their glory days? or did they also...
As Turtle says, it's mostly a matter of quantity less they've forgotten how it works
But that still leaves them with a good bit of "shadow of our former capability" thing
At the height of their empire they could steal stars into the Webway for power sources, now they can't even keep the Webway from slowly falling apart. Not so much because of knowhow but just loss of capability
wild fog
Helps that you you have literally the souls of the departed in giant crystal networks to consult.
Eldar in general also due to their age all tend to be multidisciplined
untold swallow
```- - - MISSIVE ONE (01) - - -
I HAVE SEEN YOUR KIND BEFORE.
PASSING BY ON Y...
#av-club message This song is inspiring so much of the worldbuilding my players are never ever ever gonna see lmao
grand vigil
Do salamanders successor chapters have same skin color or is it just an nocturne exclusive quirk?
untold swallow
Do salamanders successor chapters have same skin color or is it just an nocturne...
big deja vu seeing you post this here and on the WG server lmao
also what cyan said
grand vigil
Ye wg server I tend not to visit much
untold swallow
God I love that one of the mutations is 'you aren't able to die'
'This is a debuff'
untold swallow
Would it be reasonable for a Xanthist Inquisitor to allow their Librarian-in-Residence to be a Sorcerer on the down-low?
mild glen
I think it's a Nocturne thing. Salamander skin doesn't turn black until the Salamander vists Nocutrne for the first time, even.
untold swallow
Wait literally upon stepping on the planet?
Or do they fucking
jump in a volcano?
wild fog
Would it be reasonable for a Xanthist Inquisitor to allow their Librarian-in-Res...
I mean they're radicalists. It's in the wheelhouse
untold swallow
l o l
wild fog
Getting an astartes to dabble in Sorcery is the kind of thing that would get a lot of attention of it ever got out though
untold swallow
"That is why we employ discretion, Epistolary."
Hǫsskrípi's face remained implacable.
"Do we have an understanding, Sorcerer."
"Yes, Inquisitor."
Thankfully for Inquisitor Heljarch, Hǫsskrípi was a Vanguard Librarian
Obscuration and discretion
wild fog
What chapter for Hoss?
wild fog
Somehow I can hear angry Leman noises
untold swallow
Somehow I can hear angry Leman noises
"HA! The grumblings of my gene-father would be music to my ears."
"I am jealous you apparently hear them."
XD
finite compass
Space Wolves don't have Librarians
They have 'Rune Priests' which are 'totally different and don't actually count as psykers we promise'
wild fog
Admittedly this one is dabbling in warp sorcery and is technically a renegade so we are off label
untold swallow
They have 'Rune Priests' which are 'totally different and don't actually count a...
Read the little story I posted :3
finite compass
Yeah, I'm just saying they probably wouldn't use the Epistolary rank.
granite basin
They have 'Rune Priests' which are 'totally different and don't actually count a...
In finding new and innovative avenues of bigotry in the 41st millennium, the Space Wolves invented "psykers, but one of the good ones"
untold swallow
I am trying to instill the vibe that above all
finite compass
Which is doubly funny because of going after the Thousand Sons for 'unclean sorceries'
untold swallow
Wolf-Taker is one prideful, petty little bitch
finite compass
"What about your Rune Priests?"
"That is totally different and doesn't count."
wild fog
Again hot take but I like "There are no wolves on Fenris" and it's lame they've been downplaying that implication
granite basin
"What about your Rune Priests?"
"That is totally different and doesn't count."
I think every major chapter should have some kind of underpinning hypocrisy
It makes it much funnier to me
untold swallow
What would the Blood Angels' be?
Or the Dark Angels?
I feel like the Dark Angels would just
be eternally suspicious of everyone
Which I mean they are
But to the point of eternal purges
wild fog
What would the Blood Angels' be?
The fact that the pure golden children chapter is so brutal in combat that even World Eaters are given pause
untold swallow
and mudslinging
finite compass
I mean, Dark Angels is the obvious, "We are pure. We are so pure in fact that we will disappear Inquisitors without a trace should they come close to possibly discovering that we're not pure, which they won't, because we are completely pure."
untold swallow
Also I will admit
If Hoss seems like a Space Wolves hitjob
She
Kind of is
I am a Dark Angels player, shhhhhhh
wild fog
Blood angels "We are Angels of the Emperor resplendent and pure."
"Why is that one screaming about Horus?"
"You didn't hear that."
untold swallow
You know
I think I know my next WanG character
A Blood Angel who acts like Hellsing Alucard
Hellsing Abridged Alucard
finite compass
I know it's pre-heresy fuckery
untold swallow
"Bitches love cannons" "Going for a walk" etc etc
wild fog
Also pre Sanguinius the Blood Angels were considered near World Eater/Night lord levels of messed up
finite compass
But I love the implication that after the 2nd and 11th primarchs were Damnatio Memoriae'd, the Ultramarines suddenly and noticeably went up in numbers.
granite basin
I'm trying to figure out which of the other legions I might enjoy. I just gravitated to Blood Angels bc they're compelling and the color red is cool. I'm considering maybe an Imperial Fist bc of how they're like Ultramarines but actually allowed to lose
untold swallow
Also god
Someone needs to edit Trevor saying "Floating vampire Jesus here" from Castlevania over a slideshow of Sanguinius art
finite compass
Hellsing Abridged Alucard
"Why don't you find the guy who can stop me. What was his name again? Brother McDoesntexist?"
untold swallow
I'm trying to figure out which of the other legions I might enjoy. I just gravit...
"I'm you, but more narratively interesting."
untold swallow
"Why don't you find the guy who can stop me. What was his name again? Brother ...
YES
REVS EVISCERATOR
finite compass
<Takes out a bunch of Guardsmen with stray shots>
Inquisitor, watching via skull drone: "Oh come on! That was ON PURPOSE!"
Now I'm thinking of his 'handler' being basically Inquisitor Integra and this pleases me greatly.
untold swallow
God
vibe
Fucking
Integraquisitor and Alucard Angel meeting Heljarch and Hoss like that fucking meeting in the Vatican
granite basin
"I'm you, but more narratively interesting."
Like, you can have very strict Imperial poster boys, but they don't have that sheen of Protagonist on them. They can fuck up, and greatly, and they don't have as many propagandistic delusions of heroism. They're assholes, and their purpose is to defend. Nothing more, nothing less.
finite compass
He keeps sending threatening letters to the Ecclesiarch
untold swallow
Too bad Dorn's appearance is
Somehow more white bread than Big G
And also makes him sound like Master Chief in my head
untold swallow
Fuck a moustache, bro deserves a beard
okay wait
cuz that's a stache and mutton chops
finite compass
Yes
finite compass
untold swallow
I have seen one piece of art of him with it
And also
So does Russ?
Not that Russ' is better
Honestly none of the Primarch weapons are worth writing home about
maybe save Mortarion's
finite compass
Well, and Horus
untold swallow
Russ honestly needs a hammer, not a sword imo