Warhammer and Such

[past sphinx]

Oh hey there's tiny robots

[jaunty dawn]

shocking

[upper bluff]

Is this a leak or something?

Also I've never heard of am arlatax battle automata so that's hype

[balmy wave]

Skulltaker ❤️

[tranquil ivy]

'Nother game

[balmy wave]

wdym?

[tranquil ivy]

Space Marines (Firestorm Detachment) vs Genestealer Cultists

[balmy wave]

oooh

[tranquil ivy]

I lost 31 - 37, but was still a solid game

[balmy wave]

how are GSC at the moment?

[tranquil ivy]

Theyre okay. Not amazing but theyre fine enough. They work if you're lucky.

I didnt play GSC, i was the space marines

[balmy wave]

no I gathered, based on the side of the table the picture is from

[upper bluff]

I know it's legion imperialis but I didn't think Mechanicum was in it

[tranquil ivy]

Play of the game goes to my captain

Survived an onslaught of Abberants and then violently punched a squad of Neophyte Hybrids to death....Single handed...with one wound

[tranquil ivy]

Say what

[balmy wave]

they will be now

[upper bluff]

Oh when you said "nother game" I thought you were replying to me

[tranquil ivy]

I was not

[upper bluff]

I see now

[balmy wave]

Biologis Apothecaries are a great time

also nice helmet

[upper bluff]

Anyways how did the game go?

[tranquil ivy]

He was fielded as a Gravis Captain

[balmy wave]

ahhh gotcha

[pastel rampart]

Oh hey a reason to be interested in Heresy Epic.

[solemn gull]

What is the most dead GW game

Like not even grognards play or remember it anymore

[past sphinx]

Judge dread probably

Due to just how old it is

[tardy vault]

Take your pick

[solemn gull]

Well of course it wouldn’t be Trolls in the Pantry that game is very popular

[mental birch]

TIL

I'm the reason

That moveblocking is called T'au tactics

[orchid venture]

???

[junior robin]

wonder if it would be better to convert ork rules over to HH or necromunda for a gorkamorka homebrew 🤔

[floral herald]

I would simply use GorkaMorka

[past sphinx]

You cannot replicate or improve perfection

[pastel rampart]

Necro has more functional vehicle rules.

[unreal cosmos]

Fingers crossed for these weirdies showing up in the main game!

As models that is

[upper bluff]

One day surely

[thin ibex]

man i have the uplifting primer, its great

[mental birch]

Huh?

(I was just mentioning that I play mostly T'au and am the most regular t'au player)

And they've recently started calling moveblocking t'au tactics

[ebon forge]

He make justice for his name

Also, it is too far off to call teh Dreadnought a Coffin Mech?

[balmy wave]

that is what they are

[past sphinx]

Sarcophagus mech

[floral herald]

Hivestorm Hivestorm Hivestorm

[thin ibex]

yeah its literally a coffin mech

i want hivestorm

but money

[ebon forge]

Good now I Know how to explain that to friends

and
A new character idea for Lancer

[floral herald]

Me too

[rocky shale]

Gonna be watching miniswap for the regret purchases

[ebon forge]

Iron Hands: My Retirement plan

[thin ibex]

its wild to me

that it literally has a vision slit

instead of using any sort of sensors

[ebon forge]

Knowing 40k It probably has other sensors but-
Yes, for vision?
Slit

[thin ibex]

and the dread has to do the batman turn

to look around

[ebon forge]

Dready POV

Harrison Armory would 100% tbh

[thin ibex]

naah i dont hink HA would

[bright dove]

"I could have more Sensors. However, that would take up valuable space needed for armor"

[thin ibex]

HA is not that dystopian

[bright dove]

ISPN would.

For the vision slit, that is.

[ebon forge]

PPPFFFF For the Vision Slit, 100%

[ebon forge]

Really? Well damn

[ebon forge]

This one has a head

[thin ibex]

i like how he can look around, but actually the little shoulder things

make that not very worth while

[thin ibex]

yeah HA is not the imperium at all, inso far as their practices and policies

[ebon forge]

Oh not saying HA = Imperium
But in teh sense of "Ok this elite soldier don't have arms and legs that work anymore but he is super badass and an ace mech pilot, how can we make sure he keeps piloting?"

[floral herald]

Yeah not really similar in that respect either

Yay I managed it

Got Hivestorm

[ebon forge]

That's fair, so at max, something someone made for themselves with Horus stuff

[thin ibex]

Eyyy, cyan you gotta share the pics when you got em all put together

Vespid cool

Scions also cool I guess

[floral herald]

lol that’s such a common feeling

[past sphinx]

Chaos Lord (110pts): Eager for Vengeance, Daemon hammer, Plasma pistol
3x Dark Apostle (75pts)
Heretic Astartes Daemon Prince (165pts): Hellforged weapons, Infernal cannon, Warlord, Mark of Khorne
Master of Executions (80pts): Axe of dismemberment, Bolt pistol

10x Cultist Mob (50pts)
10x Legionaries (180pts)
10x Legionaries (180pts)

10x Chosen (250pts)
5x Havocs (135pts)
5x Possessed (125pts)
10x Warp Talons (270pts)
Chaos Land Raider (240pts): Armoured tracks, Havoc launcher, 2x Soulshatter lascannon, Twin heavy bolter, Combi-bolter
Chaos Predator Destructor (140pts): Armoured tracks, Predator autocannon

Its a list I call khorne on the cob

A perfect 2k

[floral herald]

That looks pretty good

[past sphinx]

70 million melee attacks

[floral herald]

Is talisman of burning blood still a thing?

[past sphinx]

No word bearers got fucked

Just the whole codex ain't git shit for them

[floral herald]

Ok but it is still a thing though

[past sphinx]

Oh its in the world eaters codex only

[floral herald]

Anywayyyy

It’s a good enhancement for daemon princes

[past sphinx]

Cult troopers are bad in csm rn 😦

[floral herald]

???

[past sphinx]

Plauge marines, zerkers and rubrics have no support in lists

Can't be led by anyone and you can't even pact them

[floral herald]

Ok I wasn’t talking about that though

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/20/kill-team-hivestorm-talking-chutes-and-wings-with-the-miniatures-designers/

It hadn’t really sunk in how old the old vespids were

[floral herald]

https://www.goonhammer.com/kill-team-2024-review-vespid-stingwings/

Oh this team looks very cool

Oh, with the review embargo there’s more stuff to see for this https://www.goonhammer.com/kill-team-2024-review-nemesis-claw/

Based on Nemesis Claw I’m guessing that shoot twice won’t work for the heavy bolter

So your chaincannon will probably be a really good option

[thin ibex]

the fly rules

for stingwings

are kinda sick

[floral herald]

Yeah absolutely

They seem like a really fun “I am a genius oh no” team with high mobility high offense and extreme fragility

[thin ibex]

Yeah strong focus on trying to be the one dictating flow

[floral herald]

Yeah

I’m curious how they feel with the fewer objectives too

Since actually doing things with objectives is hard for them

[jaunty dawn]

vespid have little backpacks

which is interesting cause they lost their chestplates and the tubes connecting the two

[floral herald]

Oh those might be for the drugs

This is nice

Losing initiative in later TPs was a bummer

[jaunty dawn]

oh neat

[lofty warren]

I saw! Hopefully!

Glad to see my intuition that torrent was what they replaced fusillade with was correct

[tardy vault]

Played my first proper Spearhead game against another first timer.

Lost it

Due to a combo of bad play (should have just ran out my bow snakes for the Vampire Lord; ran my general out in front of a really nasty cavalry unit) and painful rolls (3 combats in a row on uber buffed Witch Aelves with no 6s and generally low rolls)

[dense sedge]

spearhead is quite fun

[tardy vault]

It is!

Too us 4 hours to play lol

two newbs

And kid aggro for the other guy

[untold swallow]

Deathwatch is actually turning out fun to create characters for lmao

[rocky shale]

In what context?

[untold swallow]

In the context of the Deathwatch ttrpg

[rocky shale]

Ohhhhhh

[floral herald]

Yeah it's really fun to make them

[untold swallow]

Gonna make a whole squad lmao

[untold swallow]

I have made the leader of the kill-team; a Dark Angels Librarian named Darercia Astelan

[rocky harness]

There is currently a humble bundle sale of the drathwatch and rouge trader books if you need any.

[past sphinx]

Okay I dig this a lot

[untold swallow]

my partner got it lol

[floral herald]

👀 that looks sick

[past sphinx]

woe to my enemys, 10 chosen and a chaos lord out of an assault ramp upon them

[untold swallow]

How are you meant to get Talents that are outside your advancement structure?

GM fiat?

This is a Deathwatch ttrpg question

[rocky harness]

Pretty much, there are also some alternate ranks you can grab

[untold swallow]

Cuz not every talent is in a marine, chapter, deathwatch, or specialty advancement

[past sphinx]

oh boy deathwatch rpg

what a system

what a chargen process

[untold swallow]

laughs in Rolemaster

laughs in enjoying Rolemaster

[past sphinx]

rolemaster is dope

[untold swallow]

And like infinitely more complex than this lmao

[past sphinx]

that is the bit though

deathwatch is just deathwatch

[untold swallow]

Also that's cringe

No space wolf dual wielding bois

[rocky harness]

I mean. All the marines can dual wield with a bit of work 😂

[floral herald]

Some of it is done via Elite Advance which is basically just asking the GM and having a good reason

[untold swallow]

I mean with the dual weapon talent lol

[untold swallow]

fair

I'm just gonna give my space wolf second dual weaponry and say 750 xp is reasonable for it lmao

[rocky harness]

If you get permission, I know quite of few gms that where willing to let players make characters from the Honur the Chapter book and just call them the parent chapter going forward

Might find some stuff in there

[untold swallow]

Do any of the books add a chaplain specialty?

[floral herald]

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/deathwatch/news/rites-of-battle/Rites of Battle Preview 1 (Web Quality).pdf

[untold swallow]

Ah shit

Rank 4 and up only

F

[floral herald]

Picked up a Phobos KT a while ago and I'm finally making them

Trying to decide how to paint em

I want to use some form of campaign camo

So I'm torn for chapter

I'm thinking of painting them as navy camo Ultramarines

But I'm open to camouflage IFs or maybe Red Scorpions

This for navy camo

But maybe a little lighter

From here https://imgur.com/gallery/how-to-paint-stipple-camouflage-on-miniatures-warhammer-40000-wwii-etc-b9DuX9H

[thin ibex]

Tundra Camo space wolves

but im biased

[floral herald]

I am doing tundra camo!

[thin ibex]

ooo, what about desert camo

[floral herald]

I have a bunch of tundra style basing bits and tufts I want to use

I probably won't do Wolves since I don't have bitz for them and I don't like Space Wolves with only basic primaris models

I do like the Wolves but I'd want to get an upgrade sprue for that

maybe for a future Angels of Death KT

[floral herald]

I was thinking of doing desert imperial fists

[untold swallow]

Trying to figure out a fifth character for this Deathwatch Kill-Team as I have fallen in the classic blunder of making my statblock into an OC

[thin ibex]

desert fists soudns cool

[untold swallow]

many such cases

[thin ibex]

oh

maybe scars? But maybe same issue as wolves

in that they get more personality with bits

[floral herald]

Yeah

And a lot of their personality feels hard to represent on a Phobos KT

[thin ibex]

oh, raptors/raven guard but in camo instead of black?

[floral herald]

Since they're so tacticool

[floral herald]

I can't keep painting black armor space marines lol

I like so many factions of them

[thin ibex]

lol

[floral herald]

This is my chance to do another color :p

[thin ibex]

i wanted to do urban digital for my tau, maybe... IF urban camo?

[floral herald]

That's kinda what I was thinking with the stippled blue

[untold swallow]

raptors are green, in fairness

oh shit

I should have a Raptor sniper

[floral herald]

I have vague antipathy towards the Raptors for their fan reputation for being the "rational marines"

[past sphinx]

THE GODS MADE HEAVY METAL

[untold swallow]

I think they're a fun space personally, but I can see that

They're a bit 'you got USMC in my Space Knights'

[floral herald]

Since that kind of blue-grey is pretty good for both

[floral herald]

It's less their actual lore (which is I think relatively neat) and more their fan reputation

[untold swallow]

What would be a fun addition to Dark Angels Librarian, a Space Wolf Scout she defeated in a duel who's being a boomer about it, an Imperial Fist Techmarine who participated in the Feast of Blades and lost her original hand, and a Storm Warden Apothecary who hefts a Sacris Claymore?

[floral herald]

Fire Angel!

[untold swallow]

I feel like a heavy or sniper is needed given 3 out of 4 of these characters are in melee lmao

[untold swallow]

These guys do look interesting

[floral herald]

Interesting paint job and they're one of the most religious chapters

Actually speaking of Raptors there's a neat Raptors team in the new KT book

[untold swallow]

Fuck it, Blood Raven Librarian, to be a thorn in the Dark Angel's side

Playing an eternal game of 'we're both psykers from secret-obsessed chapters, lmao'

[granite basin]

"Why do you insist on pilfering my tomes?"
"I would ask you the same about my staff-"
"That was MY STAFF. YOU STOLE IT TOO, YOU KARKING MAGPIE"-

[tardy vault]

"I see we've fallen to petty insults."

[untold swallow]

Sadly this joke wouldn't work cuz after the angel discovered her books got stolen she'd be like 'Throw down. Now.'

[marsh haven]

https://x.com/_jyggalag_/status/1837485503899115537?s=46

Jyggalag the Grey Princess of Order (@_Jyggalag_) on X

Never gonna forget the time I was looking for pictures of Archaon and found an Archaon body pillow

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 1:34 PM

[granite basin]

the classic space marine interaction

[marsh haven]

https://www.tumblr.com/kitto-paint/762222096299458560

[untold swallow]

It's even funnier with the additional context of the fact the space wolf scout in the party was in a 'Lion vs Wolf' ritual duel with the librarian

and lost

So he'd be like

'I hope the Raven wins cuz fuck the DAngel upstart bitch, but also that Raven is fucked'

[granite basin]

i also like the detail of a party of at least half(?) fem marines

v fun

[untold swallow]

lol ye

The Angel and the Fist are fem!marines

The Wolf, Warden, and Raven are men

Though the Raven honestly might have some Alpharius Omegon levels of gender fuckery going on

The type of enby to go 'You can't tell my birth sex so no matter what if you wanna fuck me ur gay'

[granite basin]

fuckin real for that honestly

[untold swallow]

Hmmmm

What if White Scar that takes Ravenwing Veteran cuz nothing in it is DAngels specific…

[cosmic tulip]

never thought I'd say this

but Space Marine 2 made marines cool for me

[granite basin]

space marines are both stooges of a highly dysfunctional theofascist state and rad as fuck

both are true

[cosmic tulip]

yeah

[untold swallow]

hmmm

I have read of the consecrators

and I wonder if it would be fun to change my DAngel librarian to one...

Though idk if the 'Lion and the Wolf' rite is maintained by successors

[floral herald]

https://x.com/HashionDiscord/status/1837615527822532913

Hashi (@HashionDiscord) on X

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 10:10 PM

I gotta say these Phobos models are tight as fuck

[past sphinx]

no no you can actually read all of HH

[desert jay]

[doubt]

Unless you can actually read a HH novel faster than you can read 2 tankobons

[tardy vault]

While the amount of worlds in HH is indeed finite now

[paper bluff]

some one grab the chart!

[tardy vault]

I somehow doubt anyone can read it all

[desert jay]

There's like 80 HH novels (I'm including the Primarch prequels but none of the other spinoffs), and 109 (to date) One Piece volumes

[tardy vault]

HH are far slower reads than OP volumes tho

[desert jay]

Exactly my point

[tardy vault]

sorry, yeah didn't realize you made that point already

[paper bluff]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Horus_Heresy_Spoiler-Free_Reading_Order.jpg

[untold swallow]

I have found a fun way to do this

She's an outcast among outcasts in the Angels

They put her up as a joke

[untold swallow]

And she beat the Wolf black and blue lmao

[past sphinx]

I forget how much of the hh there actually is

In my mind there's like 20 actual books and the rest are side stories

[desert jay]

64 mainline books

[soft willow]

It’s kind of absurd

[tardy vault]

The fact that GW managed to pull it off

Corralling that many authors over that many years over that many books

Is crazy impressive

Yes there are all sorts of continuity issues and retcons and dropped plot lines

But despite that they still managed to pull it off

[wide veldt]

Man playing a GW TTRPG in person with the war game mini’s must be like

God tier

A mini for nearly anything you could possibly want lol

[jaunty dawn]

its pretty cool

we did it with imperium maledictum n necromunda stuff

[jaunty dawn]

this makes me kinda sad that there isn't a mechanical difference between the one plugged in gun and the rest

I guess it's an excuse to make him a gunner type guy in spec ops at least

[jaunty dawn]

lizords...

[solemn oak]

Question

How does the helbrute line up in size compared to a levi?

[jaunty dawn]

smaller iirc

leviathan is about the size of a redemptor

helbrute is bigger than a box dread (and the original monopose helbrute) but not by much

[past sphinx]

Hes on deredo legs and not much taller than the missile launcher

[jaunty dawn]

who's got deredeo legs?

[past sphinx]

Levithans

Same grippy toes, knees and pelvis

[jaunty dawn]

similar size yeah but much more armored

[past sphinx]

Ah yep the knee is a touch different

Oh hey that is real different next to each other

i fucking love imperial tech repeating motifs and bits

[jaunty dawn]

yeah :)

[past sphinx]

The land raider engine and boxnaught engine being super close is a fav

[floral herald]

https://x.com/kumratart/status/1837632420734292028?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Kumratte (@KumratArt) on X

Choose wisely. 🤔

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 11:18 PM

[topaz elk]

Nurgle and Slaanesh easily

They’re smoking things that are unimaginable

[past sphinx]

Khorne smoking that butamiese dark evil pack watered with the blood of 36 dragons

[runic swallow]

Tzeench has that stuff that’s mixed with shit that will open you third eye (and fourth, and fifth, and sixth and…)

[floral herald]

One endless inhalation as you drag on the Bud of Nurgle and it flowers within you - you won’t die thanks to Isha and you won’t mind thanks to Nurgle but you’ll never need to exhale again

I don’t have as good of one here but something something She Who Tokes

[jaunty dawn]

mockup of what I wanna do with aquilons

I think it's promising

remove trim and use a printed head

this isn't the colour scheme I wanna do just modelling wise

[tardy vault]

I have to feel like Slaanesh would definitely give you one hell of a trip

I know weed doesn't make you trip

But this is Slaanesh

You're tripping

Is a good trip? A bad trip? Who the hell knows

[jaunty dawn]

tzeentch one doesn't do anything

it just makes you paranoid cause it should be doing something

[past sphinx]

Extremely based

[jaunty dawn]

:)

[south axle]

The trims is one of my least liked parts of Scions so I support this

[jaunty dawn]

yeah the rest of the design is actually fine once you do a headswap and trim the trim!

I do like baroque scions too tbh, but classic stormtroopers are just the best

[mild glen]

Malice be on that good shit, though

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1287436168220246056/GYCN4YJXMAADimN.jpg?ex=66f189dd&is=66f0385d&hm=97be70cce36f528cc90d8b2f07006dcbae8bd007f3bff3af08debfaf6c590db9&

[granite basin]

reminds me of the mlp army someone made, i'm a sucker for funny juxtapositions

[unreal cosmos]

After realizing the Impulsor is the perfect size for a Captain, Lieutenant, and Company Heroes, I've come to think of it as kind of a command vehicle

[mild glen]

Love me some classic Joycrons

[thin ibex]

Saw someone's custom storm surge on insta

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAJQV_QNDvQ/?igsh=MXh0ZXBoMzlzZnFpcw==

[paper bluff]

Best verses "will you survive?" Is a good question

[bold halo]

all five cases the answer is no, choose anyways

[mental birch]

Sexy dragon with a shoulder fired railgun

Nice

[rocky harness]

Is this what they meant when they said the Emperor burns 1000 psykers a day to keep the beacon lit?

[cosmic tulip]

Hmm more of a lore observation

But could it be argued that Warhammers attempts at decrying the imperium as bad and facism overall is kinda.. hamstrung by the fact that chaos, as the only major alternative other than the tau, are actually awful?

And the closest to a Marxist or socialist movement in the genestealer cults are also pretty bad

The tau are good as a socialist Esq alternative but they’re very small and not a full threat like chaos rebellions

[floral herald]

I think the secrets of the golden ganja have been lost or are only known to the emperor’s secret labs

[thin ibex]

I think it could be argued as such, but I don't know how strong an argument it is. I don't think Warhammer as a setting is trying to espouse a specific better alternative within the scope of the factions. The setting is just meant to be a hyperbolic dystopian setting where there are no "good" factions

[cosmic tulip]

I do know it used to be far more satirical and biting apparently

And a lot of modern art and books shows the imperium in an almost heroic light which I’d argue is a very bad thing

[thin ibex]

I don't think as a work of fiction it has a.... coherent thesis beyond "in the grim dark future of the 41st millennium there is only war"

I do agree that a lot of modern presentations does that yeah

[cosmic tulip]

I feel like if a work wants to challenge fascism and make a universe so deeply entrenched in it, don’t they have an obligation to show alternatives?

Like, good alternatives.

Chaos is all well and anarchic but it’s also literal demon gods so ya know

[bright dove]

I mean.

[thin ibex]

I think the vehicle isn't to show the better alternative, I think the chosen vehicle was in fact the satire, to show how bleak, unrelenting, and bad it is to be in the Imperium. Satire, generally, isn't obligated to provide the alternative

[bright dove]

Going "Look how absolutely shit this is, why would anyone ever want this?" is perfectly viable.

40k as a setting is one where nobody (except the Orks) is having a good time.

[cosmic tulip]

Ohh that’s true!

[floral herald]

I actually don’t think, on the whole, that 40k was really more overt satire in the past

I think that’s sort of a myth

Just based on my read through of old books

[soft willow]

It copies satire in it's earliest incarnations.

[floral herald]

There’s definitely been some goofier stuff in the past

[bright dove]

Well, we did have things like "Marines Go Home!" and Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock Closeau.

[thin ibex]

The alternative usually espoused is "not this" but from the authorial perspective of presenting the bad idea seriously. Think, like, A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift. Haven't read it recently mind, so my recollection might be weaker than I thought, but it approaches its topic from a hypothetical narrator who is serious about the satirical topic.

[floral herald]

Like the bike names and obiwan Sherlock clousseau

[bright dove]

Squat trains. 😛

[thin ibex]

Yeah I think rather than being a better satire, 40k took itself less seriously

[floral herald]

But there’s also been a lengthy time of “look at these cool guys” as well

[bright dove]

To be fair, "look at these cool guys" is how you get franchises.

[thin ibex]

Because it was the energy of "3 British dudes in a garage thinking about what would be cool and whatever they were reading at the time"

[bright dove]

"Look at these cool things! Don't you want to buy the cool looking things?"

[thin ibex]

Not an authorial artiste trying to write a biting commentary against facism

It had a far more punk energy than a formal essayist

[uneven ember]

Yeah and also, generally
I feel like they assumed "in the future, the forces of xenophobia, authoritarianism, and stupidity have won. Humanity's teeming trillions live for the sake of theocratic militancy in service of the immortal Emperor, a corpse in a chair that persists by eating a thousand human souls a day. It is political and religious law that anyone who looks different than you needs to be set on fire and the only people cultivating and sharing knowledge are a cult that thinks computers work because a ghost makes them work" should need it pointed out that "...and this is bad"

[bright dove]

Yeah, there's no helping the folks who look at the Imperium and go "Oh, this is a good thing!"

[thin ibex]

Sadly, like any work of satire good or bad, people can have that float right over their head

[jaunty dawn]

I don't personally think 40k is about alternatives

[mental birch]

I know it's based on a photograph

Well I thought it was

[jaunty dawn]

like I think there's actually like hundreds of actually good factions around but none of them get stories

or another way of putting it is like, not every rebellion is actually gsc/chaos, those are just the only ones that get to be on camera

cause 40k isn't like about good stuff happening

[mental birch]

Tau are a lot more, neoliberal interventionism in a world where the interventionists aren't the dominant power

[uneven ember]

The game definitely had some goofier elements that they're finally starting to embrace instead of act vaguely ashamed of but when I talk about the early 40K satire I more mean the basic concept of sitting around in Thatcherite Britain and writing a setting where the future of humanity is in getting more militant, more authoritarian, more unequal, and more ignorant, year after year, forever and ever, the end

[jaunty dawn]

I think one complicating factor is like

it's been many authors from the beginning

[uneven ember]

Also true!

[jaunty dawn]

so like some people might have been serious about the satire from the beginning but some people were just following the vibes of the scene the game grew up in

and then also ppl came from other scenes and made stuff in that style

like the fw crew and milhist

[uneven ember]

That has been around for a while too
2nd War for Armageddon was pretty clearly ripped off of WWII history with orks substituting for Nazis

[thin ibex]

lets be honest, the real world analogs for factions were far more... readily apparent in the past

especially with the guard

[floral herald]

Wait was it? I’m not disagreeing I just seem to have completely missed that

[wild fog]

I always thought the easiest pointer of when they stated to... change 40k into something a little less silly grim and grim grim is the Imperial Infantryman's uplifting primer

The first printing was deeply silly. Then they re re-released and took out some of the really obvious goofiness

[floral herald]

Was there a rerelease? I thought it was just Damocles edition later

[wild fog]

No damocles is what I meant. Some of the obvious bits were taken out, it was overall a less goofy book

[uneven ember]

Ya, IIRC the devs say as much in the notes
The whole setup is Operation Barbarossa in 40K, including the play being based on Eastern Front wargames (orks start more powerful and get the first moves but if the Imperium can hold out they start to outproduce)

[floral herald]

Huh interesting

I think I can see it now

[untold swallow]

I think this is the greatest meme I have ever seen

[thin ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBA0jqq6DBU

this is a cool conversion

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_4bEI6MYDI oooo, I love Grey Tide's stuff

[thin ibex]

t he snow speeder is a shokkjump dragsta

[untold swallow]

I think these are the first blood angels I've seen that I... like?

[thin ibex]

you know, it never occured to me, but blood angels reivers are real cool

[unreal cosmos]

The part of me that doesn't know money exists really wants to back the crowdfund he links just to make a blinged-out BA army

[untold swallow]

lol

[bright dove]

Absolutely wonderful. No notes.

[untold swallow]

God this is helping me realize I would love Mephiston if he didn't have that weird curtain collar

Cuz like

His armor is just a Dracula movie reference

And that fucks

[unreal cosmos]

Before I push-fit my first ever Space Marine I'd been wanting to do an army that was just "Blood Angels but even more vampiric" and this is making that resurface

My idea is an Ultima Founding chapter that's maybe letting Dante's new Lord Regent title get to their heads and are getting a little Vampire Counts

[thin ibex]

"I am DaaAaante, bleh!"

[uneven ember]

Regimental Standard was so good

[bright dove]

Wow, cool models

[finite compass]

I love the ones where it got temporarily taken over by Orks

Rememba when da ladz got togetha and put all da skullz in a pile and did a dance for a laugh and da sky went all red and Ozgob said “Da Time Of Blood Has Come” in a funny voice and a bunch of red ladz came through da walls and we had a fight and it woz great?

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/Ricki_Kitbashed/status/1837874752502763645

[unreal cosmos]

big brain

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/theminiaturista/status/1837533519486079079

[untold swallow]

okay, question

What the fuck is a kill-marine

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Deathwatch_Kill-marine

[untold swallow]

I am confused as to why there are rules to being a specialist solo operative in a party based ttrpg lmao

[junior robin]

imagine being a xenos thinking you are a big threat to mankind only for them to send a single marine

[jaunty dawn]

duet play I guess

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722910970321698827/1287492300326309888/GYCj2YZb0AEGQLW.png?ex=66f1be24&is=66f06ca4&hm=dfe6d5515018c44280828dca136021506895eb0033135c75132e502a15bcb5d3&

[jaunty dawn]

that describes like

maybe 70% of 40k factions huh

[cosmic tulip]

Eldar pretty…

[pulsar cairn]

Eldar mean

[uneven ember]

Yeah 😅

[untold swallow]

My partner is gonna play her homebrew chapter that makes the meme of sigmarines real

assault marine with a winged jump pack and thunder hammer from the Iron Griffons, who have a combined arms strategy called the Twin-Tailed Comet

[uneven ember]

Dope

[jaunty dawn]

niceeee

[untold swallow]

It is literally 'rain missiles and bombs on target fortification'

'step 2; rain drop pods and jump pack marines on target fortification'

[jaunty dawn]

playing deathwatch with a custom chapter seems really fun

[untold swallow]

She's mostly just using the Storm Warden advances and etc

[finite compass]

THE CODEX ASTARTES CALLS THIS MANEUVER STEEL RAIN

[pulsar cairn]

btw

we dont know if rogal dorn is dead right?

[finite compass]

There is a possibility he is not dead.

All we know for sure is he needs a hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMV_H3Q8ubQ

[cosmic tulip]

https://youtu.be/c-OsGC025V8?si=L2H9EVhk-aY0ey3c

[past sphinx]

Don't chapter masters carve their name on dorns hand?

[uneven ember]

I think that happens yeah

Itty-bitty scrimshaw

It's well known that the best relics are always the body part ones

[paper bluff]

They are the goblin slayer of marines tho

[paper bluff]

Only $900?!👀

[uneven ember]

I love how the Necromunda Goliath monster is just a dude who got entirely too into space-HGH

[past sphinx]

Shame he's worse than a normal stimmer

[uneven ember]

Yeah 😔

[jaunty dawn]

one thing I like about the new kill team layout for teams is they come with a whole page just talking about the mechanical design intent behind the team

[floral herald]

Oh where's that?

https://fixupx.com/jetblackraider/status/1837959998594601365

[tardy vault]

both are correct

[spice flicker]

Even if you take legends into account, are there any dreadnought characters that can serve as warlords besides Bjorn?

[floral herald]

Carab Culln the Risen I think?

[spice flicker]

Thinking of an oops all dreadnought crusade force and wasn't wanting to go with just bjorn and friends since I don't like epic heroes in crusade

[floral herald]

Oh that's not gonna help he's also one

[jaunty dawn]

chaplain vulnerable dread is what you want

or wait

no they yoinked his character keyword

lol

then no, there's nothin

but it's also crusade so just make it a custom requistion tbh

[pulsar cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/449651567948464128/1089273877751943238/isthisfixed.gif

crusade time

get on the ship

lets go kill some heretics!

what's a chaplain for btw

[spice flicker]

Chaplain dreadnought removes battleshock

[floral herald]

In what sense?

[pulsar cairn]

i kind of know that in lore they are there for moral and stuff

but what do they do in game? do they buff people
?

[pastel rampart]

Depends on the edition. Earlier ones gave out Fearless or just a really high leadership, and I think some also gave out frenzy for extra attacks.

3rd edition was just a relatively cheap HQ that also had an invuln and power weapon rolled in at no extra cost.

[floral herald]

The 10e version gives +1 to wound in melee and and can cure battleshock 1/battle

They're pretty strong for making units like Bladeguard anything-killers in melee

[jaunty dawn]

classic thing is 'preferred enemy: everyone' to reroll hits in combat

[pulsar cairn]

+1 to wound? is that more damage?

[jaunty dawn]

cause they just work ppl up into a hating the enemy

that and the highest leadership available

for 9e they selected a prayer like a psyker does

[floral herald]

The 9e stuff was weird

[tardy vault]

Yeah.

Or at least, letting you land damage more consistently, especially against harder targets

[uneven ember]

9th let them choose from a selection of buffs

[pulsar cairn]

if i played this i think i would go thousand sons...even tho i heard they arent super good

[uneven ember]

Templars Chaplains were fun back when, gave a reroll on the "run screaming at the enemy off your turn" die

[tardy vault]

Good, bad, buffs come and go

The real reason to hesitate on Tsons is the paint scheme

trim

[uneven ember]

Put them in charge of a maxed Crusader squad with three cenobyte servitors and you have a 24-model blob of Marines where taking a shooting casualty meant they moved d6+3" with a reroll toward the nearest enemy unit

[tardy vault]

Also, GW will not stop trying to sell you more Tzaangors

[pulsar cairn]

oh .w.

yeah i probably wouldnt be able to pull it off

[paper bluff]

Oh they're not selling them to you now. You are getting them

[tardy vault]

I mean, the good news is if you own a Tsons army you're half way to a AoS list

[paper bluff]

Ah but imagine that in red and you have me and my world eatera

[floral herald]

Tzaangors did get a buff now though

They have a special unlisted taunt vs people who got into 40k via Space Marine 2 :p

[tardy vault]

lmao

[tardy vault]

Well, that ability only works if you build them with shields

[pulsar cairn]

you mean age of sigmar? why's that?

[pulsar cairn]

That looks amazing!

[uneven ember]

Shiny

[floral herald]

Tzaangors and Vortex Beasts are also in AoS

[tardy vault]

Tzaangors are in the Disciples of Tzeentch army

[tardy vault]

beautiful

Also, yes

[pulsar cairn]

ooh ur allowed to use the ones from 40k in AoS?

[tardy vault]

Chaos Trim is a thing

generally yes!

[tardy vault]

Demons are allowed in both including most named ones

[paper bluff]

Also when building chaos, the spikes genuinely stabbing you is a thing

[uneven ember]

Sacrifices to Khorne

[tardy vault]

At least the arms don't constantly snap off

I play evil elves

We have spikes AND models that fall apart under a stiff breeze

[paper bluff]

Frail and spiky bad way so go

You step on that, you have a hurt foot and broken model

[pulsar cairn]

speaking of spikes...do the butcher's nails give the world eaters any kind of like...advantage? or is it just a dumb self torture culture that they developed?

[floral herald]

It makes them fearless and unable to feel pain

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[spice flicker]

Best general purpose take all baneblade variant currently?

[floral herald]

baneblade

[spice flicker]

Adding one to a tempestus Scions transport focused list and was curious

[untold swallow]

God building Deathwatch characters is so fun

[floral herald]

Space Marine band camp is a lot of fun for characters

[untold swallow]

you can make a dark angel librarian with a jump pack and combat shield

Angel with Mindfire be like

[thin ibex]

i was playing killing floor today, and there is a melee/support weapon that is effectively 2 pneumati fist/shotguns

why is that not in warhammer

shotgun powerfists?

[floral herald]

I think that is

[jaunty dawn]

dreadnaughts kinda are

especially contemptors

with the fists + special weapons

[floral herald]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wrist-Mounted_Grenade_Launcher

Oh I think I was thinking of this

[jaunty dawn]

oh that works

you also have boltstorm/flamestorm gauntlets

hand of dominion, gauntlets of ultramar, talon of horus

nothing specifically shotgun but that's 40k in general with shotguns

[floral herald]

I thought there was a "poor man's power fist" in dark heresy which just had a shotgun in it but I can't find it

[untold swallow]

I am struggling to learn how to calculate Unnatural Strength's effect on a character's stats in Deathwatch

Should I just double the Strength characteristic on the character sheet?

[uneven ember]

No, uh, it's been a minute but IIRC
There's some effects where you do calculations based on the tens digit of a given stat, and when you have "Unnatural <stat>" that's what you double
Like if you have 45%, you have effects where you use the 4 (like melee damage?) but Unnatural Strength means you treat it as an 8

[untold swallow]

got it

aaaaaaaa

<XD

[wild fog]

It was literally just to make daddy Angron love them and he hates them even more for it

[pulsar cairn]

lots of parental issues in 40k

[past sphinx]

Whelp

Raptor heads won me over

I need more now

[pulsar cairn]

do these guys go caw caw?

[past sphinx]

mostly just yelling

[pulsar cairn]

eh that's close enough

[uneven ember]

Did any of the Loyalist Primarchs hate their Legions?
I think at least three traitors did (Angron, Petty Pete, Konrad)

[jaunty dawn]

ferrus manus was less like, hate, but he was pretty skeeved out by them

they were all like "the flesh is weak" and "lets make emotionless zombie marines!" and "I got metal hands just like you dad" and he was just like 😥

and he planned to do something about it but then he lost his head

honestly a pretty good comparison to the butcher's nails but the reaction was slightly different

[uneven ember]

Yeah
And yeah I feel that's more them than him

[jaunty dawn]

even if in both cases the primarch basically just ignored the attempts and it led to the entire legion falling to the...trend

the reasons for that lack of doing something abt it were different

[uneven ember]

But I guess Konrad at least was also pretty justified
But then, of course, when he saw the Night Lords and hated them what he was really disgusted with was himself

[floral herald]

Sanguinius didn’t really hate the Revenant Legion but he also changed them a lot

[jaunty dawn]

Oh!

corvus fuckin Despised the terran raven guard

[floral herald]

Oh yeah better example

[uneven ember]

Ahhh, makes sense

[jaunty dawn]

most of the legions had a dedicated Bad Boys Club (white scar ebon keshig, ultramarines red helms, etc) but the terran raven guard were like, all exiled immediately

[marsh haven]

I mean he’s partially to blame for their weirdo “only the strong deserve to survive” mindset. He just thought that Meat was stronger than Metal.

[jaunty dawn]

and some of them probably became the charcaradons!

[marsh haven]

Ferrus Manus in retrospect failed to see the ultimate conclusion of his philosphy

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ashen_Claws At the least, some of them are trading with the space sharks.

[uneven ember]

Okay seriously I love how blurry the line between "respectably sized pirate fleet" and "small interstellar empire" is in 40K

[paper bluff]

The ashen claws have been at since horus heresy days iirc

[runic swallow]

Is that Grace Jones on the left?

And is that an illustration of the judge from Blood Meridian on the right??

[past sphinx]

Yes and yes

Grace and Dolph dated for a while

Hes in a view to a kill for a moment because of that

[arctic lynx]

Can't find it either in the DH and OW books, but it sounds like the Ballistic Fist from Fallout (where it was a poor man's power fist)

[past sphinx]

servo claws

[arctic lynx]

There's also the Assault Gauntlets from Rogue Trader, which does have a set of barrels on each hand that fires solid slugs as you close. Doesn't fire scattershot though, and the ranged portion doesn't significantly improve it's ability to be used as fisticuffs.

[floral herald]

I think Assault Gauntlets are what I was thinking of

[cinder wraith]

terrain

gang stronghold tile 1

[thin ibex]

How often are artillery like mortars, basilisks, and manticore featured on guard lists these days?

[past sphinx]

its all dorns

dorns all the way down

[runic swallow]

Honestly it’s hilarious that indirect artillery is even on the board, like, that’s usually a sign that some sort of very, very bad breakthrough has happened to get to the artillery batteries

…or the commander is a moron and put them on a front line direct fire role

Like, I know that range in 40k is insane generally, but it’s always kinda funny how short range the artillery is

[past sphinx]

the only surviving treatise on artillery in 40k is the sacrifice of 155 battery

killing tigers over open sights with a field arty

[floral herald]

It’s basically a wargame contrivance to avoid unanswerable fires more than anything else I think

Though spotters instead works pretty well

[past sphinx]

i think bolt action does that

[bold halo]

isn't there a guard artillery that has a range measured in feet

like "can hit every table in the store" range

[floral herald]

Like how the Starstriders in kill team have a shared orbital strike call in any of them can use (but it’s 1/tp regardless of who uses)

Yeah the Basilisk has iirc a 960” range

Oh, down to 240” this edition

[bold halo]

only 20 feet, unplayable

[floral herald]

Oh how the mighty have fallen

[thin ibex]

The biggest benefit of a basilisk is its slow effect rather than its damage output

[floral herald]

Wasn’t it like S9 AP3 in 5e?

Shit killed land raiders with regularity

[thin ibex]

I know it could kill tanks at the least

Not so much now

It's mostly to make high octane melee units struggle to get the important charge off

[floral herald]

Admittedly it being good against land raiders was in decent part was they were so big the pie plate landed on them a lot

[thin ibex]

Which I guess is a healthier game state than killer firepower from a million miles out and no way to hit it back

[floral herald]

It also needed to be more powerful because of heavy support slot competition

[thin ibex]

Manticore is also a horde slapper

[floral herald]

Which doesn’t exist any more

[thin ibex]

And mortar is a chaff gun

Mortar is great for like eating those cheap back line objective sitters though

Like gretchin

I think basilisk has the best utility though

I like the wyvern too but I understand it's pretty bad

[floral herald]

Yeah that looks iffy

Not awful since suppression is pretty strong

But not great

[thin ibex]

Lotta points for a gun that only kills basic infantry or weaker

[floral herald]

Oh my gosh I just realized

In the new kill team

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/s/ypY7UtPGLf

[floral herald]

110 isn’t super high

It’s not super low but it’s decent

And shreds cover dependent people pretty well

As well has hampering heavy weapons teams

[thin ibex]

I like to feature it on my "light armor only" lists

Because I imagine in my head that it's quite peppy for an artillery unit, keeping pace with the chimera and tauroxs

[jaunty dawn]

shoot n scoot

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1fnfzma/finished_painting_up_my_lorgar_conversion_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

yooo

[balmy wave]

it could reasonably kill most tanks even in 9th

because the toughness scale was dumb

[ebon forge]

I need to play Killteam on tabletop sim with strangers
But anxiety sucks

[floral herald]

If you like I play tts kt a little

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1287630223361445899/gotta-get-em-young-v0-whx4x6p0xdqd1.png?ex=66f23e98&is=66f0ed18&hm=df059c45926ae909e7c18d2ef1629356f1b076da9dafc4a59a9866ed3b1b7a57&

[pulsar cairn]

tyranids are a good choice of faction honestly

what's the saddest choice as in sad meaning you barely get any content?

[tardy vault]

What choice and definite content?

[pulsar cairn]

which one of the factions gets the least amount of love from gw?

and content being minis, lore etc

[floral herald]

Probably LoV right now but they’re new and there’s been weird production pileups

[bright dove]

Exodites

[jaunty dawn]

deathwatch

if you count negative love I guess

[thin ibex]

space marine lieutenants /j

[tardy vault]

World Eaters don't have a range

When they became their own faction they lost most of their stuff

[jaunty dawn]

a lot of it got heresy-ied

[thin ibex]

what was most of their stuff?

[tardy vault]

Aeldari have some truly ancient sculpts

[jaunty dawn]

eldar only still have old sculpts cause they have such a massive range, tbh

[pulsar cairn]

i dont remember who the exodites are

[tardy vault]

Lore wise, Tyranids have the least

[thin ibex]

yeah i think LoV are currently the least loved prolly

[jaunty dawn]

like it's true they have some of the oldest minis, for sure, but it's not like that's because they haven't received a lot of support

[thin ibex]

exodites arent actually a tabletop faction iirc, but they're the planetary aeldari

who dont live on giant space ships

or in the webway

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think exodites have ever had rules

[thin ibex]

they have dinosaurs

[floral herald]

I will note the exception for LoV has been Kill Team where they’ve gotten 2 banger teams

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

compared to their littermate, the aforementioned world eaters, they've gotten a lot

[floral herald]

Putting them in the same ballpark as imperial guard, loyalist and chaos space marines, and other popular KT factions

Actually no one can keep up with the guard tho

[thin ibex]

i feel as though theres a bit of a trap with WE with that... how much variety can you have with the "we move and charge" faction

[floral herald]

I think they have like 4

[floral herald]

Against type fellas

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah like with exodites I feel like saying they don't get love is like saying the imperial navy infantry doesn't get love-oh wait fuck

[pulsar cairn]

so LoV gets some kill team love

[floral herald]

Like those Khorne Cult Troops who consider the heavy bolter the true sacred weapon of Khorne

Or the mentioned World Eater Tankers in the codex you can’t play

[thin ibex]

i guess it feels like it'd be "ah, another new unit that [checks notes] is strong in melee and wants to move and charge"

[jaunty dawn]

I think daemons and cults merge that would help a lot

[floral herald]

A model for the WE’s apothecaries would also be nice since they’re so important to the faction in lore

[jaunty dawn]

but would be sad for daemon soup players

[pastel rampart]

Emperor's Children have all of uh...3? units if we count Bile.

4 if you count the Forgeworld dread.

[jaunty dawn]

they're receiving support on schedule though, someone's gotta be last

[floral herald]

Give WE the CSM 4e Buzzsaw Rhino

[pulsar cairn]

doesnt Bile have like his own thingy? creations of bile or something? did he get more love than the rest of his legion?

[jaunty dawn]

uh rules wise yeah to an extent

for late 8th and 9th at least

[pulsar cairn]

funny

[jaunty dawn]

or well an equal amount, really

before 10e it was tyranids arguably

they went the longest between updates

miniatures wise

they got a ton of rules love in 9th tho xP

lost and damned got new traitor guard kit but lost pretty much everything else

[floral herald]

Oh yeah if LotD count as a faction it’s probably them

They get to appear in books (as enemies) a lot at least

[bright dove]

I'm still winning with Exodites

[thin ibex]

i may be in a minority, but im not actually all that bothered by the lost units into tenth. There are definitely still units I wish were in, like the yvara, but also i dont hate reducing unit volume to make for a tighter focus in a faction; and for some factions there were a LOT of units

[pulsar cairn]

LotD?

oh legion of the damned

[floral herald]

Lost and the Damned

Shorthand for human not space marine servants of chaos

Mutants and cultists and traitor guard and such

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[pastel rampart]

Traitor Guard are probably the most numerous of the chaos forces but they've gotten exactly two lists: one in 3rd and another in Imperial Armour 13 (which I think was 6th ed).

[jaunty dawn]

8e

[pastel rampart]

Very popular among fans but very little actual support from GW which is frustrating.

[jaunty dawn]

but 8e had everything

[jagged dawn]

We’d personally appreciate some rules for dark mechanicum

[pastel rampart]

I was out of 40k by mid-7th so I've got a bit of a gap from there to now.

[jagged dawn]

We like chaos forces that aren’t space marines

[floral herald]

The Vraks militia list was cool as hell but forge world

Expensive as fuck to buy

[jaunty dawn]

the cult update was pretty cool but the basic cultist kit is a travesty

[pulsar cairn]

so traitor guard fans get nothing on the tabletop

[jaunty dawn]

they did get blooded

which is something

[paper bluff]

40k woodelves

[pulsar cairn]

oh

[jaunty dawn]

but the ability to actually make it an army went way down

[floral herald]

The Blooded are pretty fun

And Fellgors technically

But yeah not a lot of support

[pulsar cairn]

do we have any traitor guard books?

[paper bluff]

Don't forget the hugely important butcher surgeons

[floral herald]

Yeah I was real surprised we didn’t get a model for them

They make 8born!

[paper bluff]

Wasn't there specifically a lost and damned book? That might be old old at this point

[paper bluff]

Also berserkers on juggernauts

[pulsar cairn]

do exodites have any lore?

[cosmic tulip]

Iirc yes

[cosmic tulip]

They live on planets and are more hunter gatherers or have small, only slightly technologically advanced cities

They live specifically in Maiden Worlds

[pulsar cairn]

that i know but do they have books and stuff?

[cosmic tulip]

Which use World Spirits as a spiritual alternative to Infinity Circuits

[paper bluff]

Yes and no. They show up in other people's stories

[cosmic tulip]

They’re mentioned in The Infinite and the Divine shortly after a maiden world is blown up by Necrons

[paper bluff]

Hey now

That world was fine

[floral herald]

Exodites very rarely appear and aren’t much of a faction in the normal sense they’re just around

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[paper bluff]

They had a staring role in thw vulkan book iirc

Was the title of that exodite?

[past sphinx]

Trayzn kills a bunch iirc

But thats all the exodites I can recall across books

They don't even really got a Hollar they just get merc'd riding dinos

[paper bluff]

The biggest recent attention was that golden demon

[past sphinx]

Ah yes the abominable intelligence

[untold swallow]

This was a kitbash, right?

They took one of those WHF Dark Elf dino-riders

[paper bluff]

Yep

[jaunty dawn]

think that's a lizardman nu!coldone though

[untold swallow]

oh huh

cool

[jaunty dawn]

aggradon

but it did used to be the same animal as the ones dark elfs ride

in whf

[paper bluff]

The funniest thing to happen would be eldar only getting new models in the form of exodites but none of the rest of the range gets updated

[jaunty dawn]

wait is this the one with ai backdrop

[past sphinx]

Aye

[jaunty dawn]

wild

[ebon forge]

Argument n78 why Betrayer can be a very funny book : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEYYXMN4yNI

Also Magnus not being voiced by THunder Psyker is weird

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1287826071080669234/qX2r71wyjd0Mqz7T.png?ex=66f2f4fd&is=66f1a37d&hm=32503d0271aa6e8a198292fde02e60b2a46a04dbfc1cde96237195d8d9a36227&

[past sphinx]

Hey I've seen that before!

Cawdor gang baby

[pastel rampart]

If they put bomb rats in AoS that'll be really funny.

[past sphinx]

Id need some kind of bomb rat in big 40k to even it out

Ah wait bomb squig

[jaunty dawn]

huh

warcry maybe

that's definitely* a skaven rat

*maybe not definitely

but the bomb and especially the facemask

I think gw years might start in summer

hm no warcry preview

oh I guess its underworlds

[south axle]

Skryre Underworld warband? So we have had all but Moulder so far

[jaunty dawn]

yeah that would make a lot of sense

I hope they fight dwarves cause jfc dwarves have been neglected by underworlds

[ebon forge]

Watching the new Thites episode
Fun and sad

"So, shaming me into leaving?
You would had made a fine commissar."

[mild glen]

Tithes ep 3 has some really nice "Guard, Fuck Yeah" moments.

[ebon forge]

Me a Ork enjoyer:
Yeah
Guards, that's what we were paying attention

[pulsar cairn]

is that a skaven?

or just a big rat?

i ask cause usually i dont see skaven running on all 4s

[jaunty dawn]

big rat

[pulsar cairn]

ooh

[jaunty dawn]

but almost definitely raised by skaven

[south axle]

We dunno yet, might be a SKaven "Giant" rat

[jaunty dawn]

skaven do run around though

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[mild glen]

It's for the new edition of Necromunda (they say, full of confidence for no reason)

[south axle]

Wrong shape of bomb

[jaunty dawn]

oh wait yeah scultped base duh

[mild glen]

Blood Bowl.

[jaunty dawn]

it's 100% underworlds

[south axle]

ALso, no Necromunda previews on Warhammer day

[jaunty dawn]

there's like a scythe head on the base

but we've had a ton of nighthaunt so doubt its that

[mild glen]

I'm just honestly throwing up random games.

[ebon forge]

||Did they just destroyed the ammo at the end? Why?||

[south axle]

Sculpted base kinda confirms it as Underworlds

[ebon forge]

How Chaos gets allies:

[mild glen]

||There was too much weight on the planet's tectonics and more weight would have damaged the planet||

[ebon forge]

||Won't destroing would just spread the weight in different ways?||

[mild glen]

||Fuck it, it's Warhammer. They said some shit about shifting the plate tectonics.||

[ebon forge]

WELP

BETTER USE STEALTH TACTICS AND USE THE XENO'S GUNS IF YOU WANNA HAVE A CHANCE

[pastel rampart]

Dwarves have been neglected in general, both in AoS and 40k.

[dense sedge]

So new stuff for the four main god chaos factions for AoS alongside new daemons for 40K given their shared nature?

[ebon forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9F0C4tbDDA
Lorgar: Fulgrim for fuck sake join teh war
Fulgrim: I don't care

[mental birch]

Why do kroxigors have double barrled chesrs

[ebon forge]

To handle all the weight they have to carry

[mental birch]

I mean more saurus warriors are only single barrel

[floral herald]

Yo kill team?

What’s left to show fellas?

[jaunty dawn]

just roll right into the season I guess

[past sphinx]

Secret 3rd team

Chaos votann

[floral herald]

I stopped trying to guess what KT they’d add after Fellgors haha

[tardy vault]

Hope the AoS announcement isn't just more Stormcast stuff (it's just more Stormcast stuff)

[jaunty dawn]

probably!

[tardy vault]

GW please at least give snakes a priest

[jaunty dawn]

dont they have a few???

[tardy vault]

DoK does

[jaunty dawn]

oh like

a snake priest

[tardy vault]

But their snake subfaction doesn't

yeah

It's a super silo'd army

[jaunty dawn]

they only have snake wizard right

[tardy vault]

Two of them!

[jaunty dawn]

two snake wizard...

[tardy vault]

Morathi and Bloodwracked Medusa

(Morathi counts because Shadow-Queen is a big Melusai buffer)

There is a priest that can buff snakes (Hag Queen), but she is an Aelf and thus doesn't get any synergies and also is not as elite as everyone else in the list (2 less move and one less wound than a snake hero).

[compact gate]

not necessarily. Mortals don't crossover, and neither do daemon princes outside of belakor

also, obviously, no skaven in 40k. ever. at best they'll get a variant in necromunda

[dense sedge]

I mean a refresh on minor daemons and heralds would be enough for both for an edition

[past sphinx]

no rats in 40k is pretty firm

ratskins returning to necromunda would be pretty much a total redesign and dont have anything in common with skaven

the closest your ever gonna get is the Hrud

and Hrud are dope as shit

[tired cairn]

They just need a crossover episode where the skaven burrow into a necron tombworld, mess everything up, and then die

[granite basin]

necrons hate rodents (they see everyone else as rodents) so it tracks

[tired cairn]

I also feel like they would be the nagash 40k equivalent for who they constantly accidently foil

[ebon forge]

That's pretty

Dante real name is Luis, huh

SAnguinius: I will give you anything
Dante: Let me fucking die
Sanguinius: anything but that

[past sphinx]

the italian is named lou

incredible

[ebon forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teWONr2YCkw no the memes are not shiting you, Dante really just want to fucking die

[pastel rampart]

He's over a thousand years old, can't really blame him.

[ebon forge]

Poor Luis

[remote wharf]

Dante: https://youtu.be/bLr966oLp2E?si=wgbXbP2tvcJHFbVt

[cinder wraith]

Hey Luis

[untold swallow]

This scene is honestly actually so good lol

I hate that I can't fully enjoy it cuz the BAngels aesthetic bothers me <XD

[uneven ember]

This is worse than the time I went to the mall with Imotekh the Stormlord

[untold swallow]

o    Geneseed Source: Lion El'Jonson
o    Founding: Second Founding
o    Chapter Master: Oskus Fingal
o    Homeworld: N/A
o    Fortress-Monastery: Speaking House of the Fruit Tree
o    Battle Cry: “For the Ashen Sigillite! For He on Terra! For Sundered Caliban!”

Even among the ilk of the Dark Angels and their wayward children, chasing shadows at the edge of Empire, the Blades Contemplative are zealous, convicted, and utterly without mercy for the Xenos, Heretic, and Renegade. This is not to say, however, that such deeply driven raison d'etre is painted on their faces; whether in combat, addressing noble or commoner, or even amongst others of the Emperor's Angels, a Blade Contemplative can be counted on to wear a face of stone rivaling the dourest Imperial Fist.

The Chapter was ushered into this world during the Second Founding in the wake of the Horus Heresy. Its first Chapter Master, Oskus Fingal, was a member of the 1st Legion inducted into the service of Malcador the Sigillite as one of his Knights-Errant. Following the Sigillite's ultimate sacrifice, Oskus returned a Captain in the Dark Angels, until the Legions were disbanded and he was selected to lead a successor Chapter to his parent Legion. Out of respect for the Sigillite's sacrifice, he combined the motifs of his Legion and that of his former master, and the resulting icon remains the Blades Contemplative's symbol to this day; an eye in the style of Malcador's sigil, set in the winged crossguard of a great sword pointing skyward.

This deep respect for Malcador is now steeped into the very soul of every member of the Contemplative, and morphed into a religious reverence for the man and his master, the Emperor. As such, the Imperial Creed is the dogma of the Chapter. This reverence has also led the Blades to aid the organization they see as taking up the Sigillite's cause; the Inquisition. As such, joint operations are common, as are sojourns in the Deathwatch.```

Finally did a formal writeup of my weird Malcador worshipping DAngels successors

[ebon forge]

'aesthetic bothers me'
Me about the Black Templars and Alt-Right fucking their cross

[untold swallow]

They'd be so cool but they're definitely the alt-right marines

and also they hate space mages so I automatically can't like them

[past sphinx]

i to also hate space mages but thats mostly because ive never been able to do fuck all with em

[pastel rampart]

The BA aesthetic is a relatively new thing, at least in the context of 40k. We didn't see the flying angels with lovingly sculpted nipples until 5th edition, so around 2010.

[ebon forge]

Oh boy wait until they find out that a PSyker is sitting on the golden throne

[past sphinx]

ah man old sanguinary guard with the golden mk7 heads

well

"honor guard"

fuckers didnt even have the name yet

[pastel rampart]

The problem is that they're largely models from 2010 still and haven't had a whole line refresh yet so you get this awkward mish-mash of weirdo action figure 5th ed stuff with the more modern models like Mephiston and Dante.

[bold halo]

the sistine chapel vibes have been there since at least 2nd

[past sphinx]

this is unironically the best thing about BT

granted i just think everybody should be more hostile to each other

[ebon forge]

Dorn disappointment in then ?

[untold swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-sons-rubric-marine-gif-9545734790472349272

[past sphinx]

fight fight fight fight fight

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Blood_Angels Yes but this was largely relegated to heroes and not the whole chapter.

[untold swallow]

See I think the best blood angels model is primaris mephiston

[past sphinx]

we were the death company army long before we got the drip

now death company is like a back seat thing

[untold swallow]

Where he is just Dracula from the 1992 movie

[past sphinx]

he is peak

[pastel rampart]

I remember the all-DC army list and how terrifying that could be.

[past sphinx]

oh and the dreadnaught army

space wizard dreads where cool as shit

and its a crime we dont have em

[untold swallow]

My favorite overall chapter is Dark Angels tho, which

[past sphinx]

stacks of dreads

[bold halo]

wait is death company bad now or something

[untold swallow]

probably surprises no one given what I just posted

[past sphinx]

eh, its lacking a proper kit like all of BA

[floral herald]

Captain Tycho’s armor nipples date back to the Rogue Trader era

[ebon forge]

Opinion on the new Lion?

[past sphinx]

and its more vestigial to the aestetic and themes of the angels

[pastel rampart]

Please see "relegated to heroes" comment.

[bold halo]

in that heroes are all any chapter specifically got, yeah

if you were lucky you got molded shoulder pads

[untold swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-yes-jojo-jotaro-kujo-gif-16101439

[ebon forge]

Same

[untold swallow]

Look

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, for a really long time if a chapter got any recognition it was a hero, maybe an upgrade kit, and otherwise it was whatever marines were available.

[untold swallow]

He's fucking Charles Dance

[ebon forge]

Grandpa got wiser

[untold swallow]

But like 14 feet tall

In black armor

with a giant fucking sword

Also in my deathwatch game I can't decide if my character is gonna have a hooded beaky helmet or a winged beaky helmet

[past sphinx]

i have a weirdly large amount of metal crimson fists molded pads, no idea where i got them never played fists

[bold halo]

hooded winged beaky helmet

[past sphinx]

wheres my primaris beaky equivalent

need that upgraded sensor suite

[untold swallow]

no lol

hmm

probably hooded

she's not from the Ravenwing

[untold swallow]

Honestly I do want one

Especially since Corvus armor in Deathwatch is good for represeting Phobos armor

[untold swallow]

has Metallica on autoplay

'The Unforgiven starts playing'

'Wait'

[tepid stratus]

Did up Abraxia

[solemn gull]

Looks pretty cool

[runic swallow]

Yeah that looks real nice my dude

[granite basin]

fuckin solid work, lovely detailing!

[paper bluff]

It would be funny in the cosmic sense if Dante ends up being a perpetual

[marsh haven]

“Father i crave True and Final Death!”

Sanguinius eternal death scream

[remote wharf]

Can I just say I'm kind of annoyed that the movement shooter we got for 40K when they were big was a game about being a bounty hunter on necromunda and not like an Eldar game.

[thin ibex]

I'm not gonna lie, necromunda gets less love than the aeldari

You annoyance is valid, but I don't have any beef with hired gun for its setting

I don't know that we've really had many xenos mc warhammer games at all, Firewarrior is one of the only ones that comes to mind. DoW2 Retribution and DoW3 shared the spotlight but never gave it up

Shootas blood and teef and speed freeks maybe

[remote wharf]

I don't hate it, I'm glad hired gun and gang war exist. it's like I said, annoyance. Necromunda would be far better for an imsim tho.

[tardy vault]

You know what would slap? Necromunda Xcom.

[remote wharf]

That was kinda Gang War, like how hired gun was kinda the Imsim.

Underhive wars, sorry.

Forgot the proper name

[thin ibex]

I'd love a Tau game made by Respawn

Have them handle the crisis suit gameplay

[past sphinx]

Shas'la rides again

[pulsar cairn]

Btw

Dorn was still around when black templars were created right?

Were they fanatics from the get go?

[thin ibex]

Sort of? Dorn was pissed at siggy and the marines that followed the same beliefs and quasi exiled them iirc

[soft willow]

He literally put all the impetuous legionaries into their own chapter

He knew he was creating a problem child.