Warhammer and Such

[thin ibex]

and the subjects themselves having no idea

that they were on repeat

[bright dove]

So he can get the best exhibit out of it

[turbid sonnet]

wow

yeah that sounds like trazyn alright

[paper bluff]

What was The thing in his collection you might ask? Oh just something that can build new parts of the webway

[bright dove]

Trazyn is just so much fun

[turbid sonnet]

he really is

necrons have some great figureheads

[paper bluff]

The biggest threat in the 40k universe is death. Remove that and you have a fun character

[turbid sonnet]

i wonder what the necrons think of the tyranids

probably just "great, more shit on our lawn"

[bright dove]

It depends on the neuron overlord

[paper bluff]

I would love love love love a silent king book just to get an idea of his mentality

It's also funny to me he's the only necron with wrists

[thin ibex]

it does somewhat depend on them; the silent king for example sees them as the greatest threat, and even sought to combo up with the BA to deal with it way way bck

[bright dove]

The Storm Lord is probably looking forward to the fight

[thin ibex]

for the necrons at their height, chaos is a solved problem because they know/knew how to create warp suppression pylons; on the other hand hte nids are a true threat, and the not totally insane overlords realize only a fraction of their empire has awakened

[turbid sonnet]

interesting

didnt know about the warp pylons

[thin ibex]

yeah the pylons on cadia were necron tech

[turbid sonnet]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[bright dove]

That's why Abbadon had to destroy Cadia

[turbid sonnet]

we MUST construct additional pylons...

[turbid sonnet]

and then the cadians just went and made cadia 2 and became the poster boys of the guard to the extreme

[bright dove]

Trazyn himself was there to try and close the Eye of Terror

[thin ibex]

i forget if the numbers are accurate, but the necron empire fully awaked suppsedly outnumbers everyone except the orks

[turbid sonnet]

that would make sense

considering galactic history

[paper bluff]

I am also reminded that I need to read Great Work because cawl in genefather was delightful

[turbid sonnet]

although i am of the belief that there are more tyranids outside the galaxy than anything else

[thin ibex]

yeah that too

[turbid sonnet]

but they're not here YET

so we don't count that

[paper bluff]

and pokeball abbadon

[thin ibex]

It does feel a lil inevitable that unless some factions make some unlikely alliances, the nids are gonna eat it all

[bright dove]

Even Chaos sweats over the Nids

[thin ibex]

hey that meme forgets that trazyn also netted himself cadia's greatest general for his collection

[turbid sonnet]

can't wait for some shit like hive fleet satanas or beelzebub or some shit to rock up and it has a hive ship the size of terra

[thin ibex]

Watch the necrons forget they have the celestrial orrery no matter how bad the nid threat gets

Celestial "We could blow up the sol system whenever we felt like it" orrery

[paper bluff]

That necrons have actual hyperpowerful megastructures and they might just need turned on

[turbid sonnet]

it would be cool if a giant tyranid invasion force is what actually causes a majority of necrons to reawaken

[thin ibex]

silent king gonna regret that he wiped knowledge o their greatest doomsday devices from their collective memories

doesnt that mean there are super doomsday weapons just laying around, and the necrons themselves are like "wtf even is that?"

[turbid sonnet]

probably

[bright dove]

Correct

[turbid sonnet]

though i dont know how much most soldier level necrons think about things

[bright dove]

Trazyn probably has some

[paper bluff]

The c'tan would know though

[paper bluff]

It might be he does but he is literally blind to it and he cannot perceive it

[turbid sonnet]

god i can't wait for mechanicus 2 to come out i hope that necrons get to have a c'tan shard you can use in game

[thin ibex]

so, we know a big chunk of the void dragon is on mars right? And the one that uriel found was a large chunk of the deathbringer, unbound by a tesseract?

[bright dove]

Yep

[thin ibex]

the deceiver for the most part seems at large

[bright dove]

There is also the Deciever Chunk Trazyn has

[thin ibex]

so he didn't get totally fragmented

[floral herald]

At the time there weren’t shards but yeah essentially

[turbid sonnet]

void dragon is such a cool fucking name

[thin ibex]

i call em big chunks

cause they're more... formed and powerful than your average shard

but also

a shadow of the ctan from the war in heaven

[paper bluff]

That would be like a verminlord showing up in vermintide I imagine

[thin ibex]

and the necron empire clearly has shards of said ctan in their vaults

so they clearly got bits of em

even if they were less shattered than they might first appear

[paper bluff]

And powering stuff

[turbid sonnet]

admech got their biggest boy short of a knight in admech 1 with the kastelan so i could see them giving necrons a small shard as their biggest scariest unit

or maybe it'll just be a canoptek

[bright dove]

Like, the Deciever chunk is the only thing Trazyn regrets having in his collection

Like full on "Oh fuck, I am an idiot"

[thin ibex]

oh question, in game stats aside, how much tougher is an immortal than a normal warrior?

in infnite and divine, immortals often made up trazyns bodyguard

rather than lychguard

[turbid sonnet]

immortals are basically the necron equivalent of a heavy weapons dude. they're slower than normal soldiers but a fair bit tankier i think

good at holding ground and shooting with their Bigger Gauss Weapons™️

[bright dove]

I think part of that is also Trazyn not wanting to wipe subjectivity if it's avoidable

[turbid sonnet]

i think they're called immortals because they're notably tankier but that might be me making things up

[paper bluff]

So a necron warrior in the time of flesh was just a regular person.
An immortal was an actual trained soldier

[thin ibex]

and lychguard have more subjectivity than the immortals im guessing?

[bright dove]

Yep

[paper bluff]

Right because they were elite guards

[thin ibex]

i was thinking immortals, names aside, are implied to be much tankier thank normal warriors

[floral herald]

I just mean that went the Ventris books were made the ctan weren’t shards - that was added later

[thin ibex]

oh yeah no i get that

back then it was the legit real nightbringer, just weakened

which would be a much scarier prospect

[paper bluff]

Let it be said that the nightbringer gave a space marine fear and trauma

[floral herald]

Just the legit nightbringer, the ctan were just not that physically imposing back then

It’s weird lore

[thin ibex]

its a bit funny that the nightbringer is the setting's canonical explanation for the imagery of a grim reaper; and it's effect was so dramatic that it created numerous race's motif of death itself in their cultural heritage

[turbid sonnet]

that's pretty baller

[thin ibex]

im reasonably certain when uriel encountered the deathbringer in the novel, he comments on how right now, right after its awakened and is weaker, would be the only time they even have a ghost of a chance

[upper bluff]

Mechanicus 1 had a secret boss fight against a C'tan I thought?

[thin ibex]

seems like it was pretty imposing

[turbid sonnet]

yeah, dont remember which

[floral herald]

Oh yeah I see what you meant now

[turbid sonnet]

even though i did it

i think it was just a generico green dude

[upper bluff]

I think it was just a generic one

Yeah

[turbid sonnet]

what a good game

clunky, but good

[upper bluff]

I should play it again

[thin ibex]

i love how weird hte concept is of a "generic ctan"

[turbid sonnet]

2 is gonna be so good

i cannot wait to play as necrons

[upper bluff]

Agreed

I'm excited to play as admech again

But yeah generic ctan is kinda sad

[turbid sonnet]

i hope scaevola comes back in admech 2

[upper bluff]

Like I guess you could say it's a shard that's so small it doesn't even know what it was or something

I hope they all come back

That way there's an excuse for a mini

[paper bluff]

Was it this one?

[upper bluff]

Like I've genuinely thought about learning how to 3d model just so in ,years when I'm good enough I can sculpt and print my own models of the whole cast

[turbid sonnet]

i can't find the [[entering platitude mode]] dialogue

[blissful whale]

No card found for “entering platitude mode”

[turbid sonnet]

go away card bot

you are not needed here

[turbid sonnet]

could be, havent played admech 1 in a few years so i dont specifically remember

[upper bluff]

I don't remember it being red

[thin ibex]

an excerpt for those who havent read the ultramarines novels https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/11wzdyj/excerpt_nightbringer_uriel_stares_down_the/

[turbid sonnet]

the funniest bit of admech 1 was trying to maneuver a kataphron around 99% of the maps

fat fuck

they should do a book that follows one tyranid cell like a nature documentary

[paper bluff]

I'd like to see more c'tan shard express personality

They're kinda peak of "i know something you don't know"

[thin ibex]

funny enough at their height, it feels like if the ants they'd used as a instrument of war then constructed giant lasers to shoot them with; even while they had cans of Raid on them

i think also the necrons couldnt have made their play had the deceiver not tricked the ctan into thinking other ctan were even more soul delish than regular souls

[turbid sonnet]

why does anyone listen to someone called The Deceiver

That's on them

[bright dove]

The deceiver fucked them over hard, yeah

[thin ibex]

its just like why would you name your son heresy and be surprised when he does heresy

Horus Heresy Lupercal

[turbid sonnet]

I almost believed you for a moment

[floral herald]

Back then he was called The Forthright tbf

[bright dove]

Trazyn uses the Big Chunk he has as a primary source.

Like an idiot

[thin ibex]

trazyn is multifaceted. He's often the smartest guy in the room and the most knowledgeable. He's also sometimes the galaxy's biggest idiot

[bright dove]

Releasing a genestealer as a prank, for example

[thin ibex]

"Yeah things kinda got out of hand"

[uneven ember]

Okay that is pretty funny tho

[paper bluff]

Yeah it was only afterwards did they start calling him the deceiver

[upper bluff]

I mean listening to the guy called The Forthright feels just as bad

Like it's just his name guys

[past sphinx]

a man who could defeat horrors beyond the imagination, outplay impossible odds and break into the most secure vaults but i am also sure he could be easily overcome by a particularly headstrong 6 year old

home alone style

[upper bluff]

I always think that the best characters in 40k are the ones who oppose their faction in some way. Like Cawl inventing stuff, Bile wanting to screw over chaos and build a new humanity, Trazyn being more interested in archeology and preservation than any necron politics

Like these characters have conflict built in and also don't want to just kill stuff

[floral herald]

I made that up - I just know he wasn’t the Deceiver at the time

[turbid sonnet]

one of my favorite 40k characters is makari

if you've read the ghaz book (which is one of the two 40k books i've read) you'll know why

unrelated; i wish other members of the AM besides the cadians got more love

i miss the vostroyans

[upper bluff]

I mean it's kinda just Cadians and Kreig

[turbid sonnet]

i know

SUCKS

[upper bluff]

Surely Catachans are gonna get some love

[turbid sonnet]

i like seeing a wider range of planets represented

[upper bluff]

any day now

[turbid sonnet]

any day now

[thin ibex]

I miss the valhallans

[upper bluff]

I think the big problem GW has is that portraying all of these different regiments implies that they should have their own models

And making 4 different infantry squads is probably expensive

[past sphinx]

uhh

we had like 12 different space marine kits for tacticals

[thin ibex]

I often feel like the kreigers stole their show a bit despite being different. In that krieg get the "unbreakable and hard to shift" label even though they're supposed to be the "attrition warfare and life is cheap" thing

Of the valhallans I mean

[turbid sonnet]

valhallans were cool

[upper bluff]

Honestly good point but lets be real it's because they're space marines

[turbid sonnet]

i also miss the tallarn

[thin ibex]

Also, I don't know that they sell that many versions of the tac marines anymore; they have upgrade kits for intercessors though

Or primaris I should say

[turbid sonnet]

catachan are the biggest casualty to me though

[thin ibex]

But they really don't have a billion chapter unique space marine battle line model kits these days

[turbid sonnet]

bring back the knifey boys

[thin ibex]

They're around, and generally meta; mostly for being cheap though

And their hero units are still good

They have a decent volume of them

[turbid sonnet]

sly marbo...

[thin ibex]

Valhallans are just gone entirely, along with the vostroyans and tallarn

[tired cairn]

Why did it do that

[thin ibex]

Though you can still field em, if you have em, as ordinary infantry squads

[ebon forge]

Does this happen often?

[past sphinx]

misercordias my beloved

[tired cairn]

Was it like, a pathologist liar and got a thrill over how far it could push things?

[thin ibex]

Good question

I don't think we got a canonical explanation

But that seems like it might be the case

[tired cairn]

I feel like 5-15 left isn't uncommon

The trickster god dooming itself is a pretty common trope I suppose

[thin ibex]

And if you ask the deceiver, you'll never know if they're lying

[tired cairn]

Maybe it always lies

[paper bluff]

They're all nerds i see

[thin ibex]

@mental birch question, use case for the plasma over the missiles on the fireknife team?

[mental birch]

Very rare but close quarters Terminator equivalent busting

[thin ibex]

hmm so in most cases, the missiles are just safer

in terms of generalist picking

[mental birch]

Yeah

[mental birch]

The one case I can see plasma being a slam pick

[thin ibex]

like big bad hot drop strat but not using the sunguys?

[mental birch]

Is in boarding action

[thin ibex]

ohh

yeah ok

[mental birch]

Because the first issue tau need to think through in that format is how do I deal with 2+ save high toughness

[thin ibex]

ill probably run mixed load despite it being like... worse in every way, just for the aesthetic

[mental birch]

Haha

Giving missiles sustained 2 is very funny 😉

[thin ibex]

cause having a "primary" like the plasma, and the "auxiliary" as hte missile appeals to me

visually

rather than mechanically

i seem to have currently lost all my magnetized guns for my crisis suits though

so i cry

hopefully they'll pop up

[floral herald]

Oh man that sucks

I hope they turn up yeah

[thin ibex]

im almost certain they're AROUND somewhere

but not in any of the usual places

my enforcer commander i cant decide if he'll go 2 missiles and an ion gun or like a missile, plasma, and airburster

to reflect fighting inside a hive

airburster seems real good

naratively

no strong reason to take it mechanically xD

i guess except for like tickling a chaff unit

[rocky shale]

Without going out of my way to actually buy a single csm kit, I have managed to end up with a little more than 1k points of csm

[thin ibex]

nice

[rocky shale]

Is this how chaos corruption works?

[thin ibex]

yeah just passively see what kind of god you end up aligned with

[rocky shale]

The answer is vashtorr because I think the forgefiend is cute

[thin ibex]

"Why do you serve the dark god, mortal!?"
"Becuase he a cutie patootie"

[rocky shale]

Vashtorr himself is an ugly bastard but the daemon engines are kinda vibing

[pulsar holly]

Hey don't forget the coolest regiment D:< Tanith First-and-Fething-Only

[ebon forge]

Omg the drip is so good

[uneven ember]

I feel like GW is pulling back on the fun alternate Guard because the clear intent there ("use historicals") is kinda the opposite of what they're looking to promote these days

[cosmic tulip]

How do you mean?

They don’t want proxying?

[pastel rampart]

They haven't been pro-proxy in over 2 decades.

3e was arguably the last time they were cool about proxies.

[mental birch]

Even though I am uncomfy with praetorian I get the idea of using them

And thing like that

Because I have a friend who made a pretty cool praetorian army

[ebon forge]

Finally
Nightlord pants

[uneven ember]

GW very badly wants you to buy Citadel miniatures. The argument could be made that everything else they do amounts to elaborate ad copy for Citadel minis.
As far as they can they try to enforce this, mostly by prohibiting proxies at official GW stores and events, but also in that they've stopped including rules for units without minis in the codicies

They've also had a good bit of legal fighting with third party miniatures makers who make minis lines with names like Space Knights or Necrobots

[unreal cosmos]

I love proxies but for the main official lines I'd rather have a core of models that can just be repainted to be believably whatever you want

[thin ibex]

For guard also I think they don't want to invest in producing a billion alternative models for the same unit, it doesn't make money. Rather they probably hope to have specific regimental units that are their own kits and niches. They're just also incredibly slow about doing that

[unreal cosmos]

I'm not too excited for DKoK in that respect unless it's consistently not just Cadians in a hat

mechanically

[thin ibex]

Though I do think they could do with just some head swaps on a generic body or something

Built into the kit

[unreal cosmos]

that would be good, yeah

[thin ibex]

Not full units but some way to express belonging to another Regiment

The rest can be done with paints

[unreal cosmos]

establishing so many regiments that have whole unique uniforms was not the best long-term move

[thin ibex]

I think it's super cool, but from a production stand point, it was no the best move

[pulsar cairn]

what's DKoK?

[thin ibex]

I would actually just like to see like... a valhallan infantry unit that is its own thing, but also if all our favorite regiments had an infantry unit, they'd have too many infantry units, so some would need to be armor, or mounted, or just characters

[uneven ember]

Death Korps of Krieg

[thin ibex]

Like making a steel legion chimera would work

Or Elysian Valkyrie

[pulsar cairn]

oh

[mental birch]

Infantry heavy formation

Guard army would be cool

I really want a army that says, "your infantry gets bonuss for being base to base"

[pulsar cairn]

based

[thin ibex]

Mordian Guard?

[uneven ember]

Well, again, I feel like it was a fine idea for the original intent ("use your historicals") which very much isn't behavior modern-day GW is looking to encourage

[mental birch]

They were in 8th

[thin ibex]

Yee I remember

[mental birch]

But just lining up your lil guys in a firing line is coop

[ebon forge]

Donkey Kong O.K. /j

[pulsar cairn]

perish

[uneven ember]

(man remember when the Wave Serpent was a FW conversion kit?)

[jaunty dawn]

why are we talkin about gw only making cadians

[pulsar cairn]

my friend thinks cadians are canadians(he doesnt know much about 40k)

[hard whale]

he's right

[pulsar cairn]

good thing i decided not to correct him

[solemn gull]

Accadians?

[hard whale]

the Eye of Terror is the northwest passage but in space

[pulsar cairn]

heh

[uneven ember]

Calling the gold standard Guard the "Cadians" was, yes, a "Ca[na]dians" joke
Mostly about how effective Canadian military tends to be

[pulsar cairn]

maybe someone told him that joke

[unreal cosmos]

I'm in the same boat, I think the Rough Riders were a great idea

[unreal cosmos]

I think there's some dispute over it

The name source, not the military effectiveness

[solemn gull]

I thought they were named after acadia

[uneven ember]

Folk were talking about how little we hear lately about non-Cadian Guard. I was just saying a lot of the guys were part of a 40K design philosophy that's very much been moved away from

[solemn gull]

All of the people who sculpted mordian/tallarn/etc left GW

[uneven ember]

Mm. Possible.
I'd always heard it but nerds do be saying shit

[solemn gull]

Most of them founded their own historical miniatures stuff

Like the Perry Brothers

[floral herald]

Unintentionally funny post

[thin ibex]

You could do worse than an ultramarines chapter serf

[floral herald]

You could so easily do so much worse

[thin ibex]

I'm pretty sure ultramarines take pains to install a shared sense of pride in their serfs, regardless of their duties

And treat them with a modicum of respect

Instill*

[bright dove]

If there's a chapter that realizes how important the grunt work is, it's the Ultramarines.

[jaunty dawn]

we've had more non cadians in the last 2 years than we had from like 2009 though

and solar auxilia

[wild fog]

Trayzan talks to people because his entire purpose is curation of knowledge and what good is that if you can't show people all the cool shit you "acquired?"

Man spent centuries painstakingly posing a bunch of organics in stasis for his awesome diorama he is gonna show it to literally anyone

[pulsar cairn]

beats being in the guard i'll say

[pastel rampart]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/@the_crafting_dodo/video/7415256663403384097

[pulsar cairn]

that's probably a blood axes squig trying to trick some guardsman

[mental birch]

I completely forgot that you can get a ganger snatched up by the fists in necromunda

(Thereby confirming female space marines exist)

[solemn gull]

Not 100% sure on that logic but I guess

[mental birch]

Esher is a gang that is not excluded from this event

[thin ibex]

it just doesn't make any sense to me that the imperial fists, noted pragmatists, would go traipsing through the underhive and go "Wow you're super badass and exactly what we want. if you were a boy."

(fuck the "female bones are wrong" or whatever reasoning)

[pulsar cairn]

are orks good pilots?

i imagine not, but i also imagine they are good enough to be a threat

[lofty warren]

How are we feeling about kt'24

[wild fog]

No but they are suicidally aggressive, they are fast and they have a lot of dakka

Plus they pretty much always outnumber opponents

[thin ibex]

orks arent good pilots, they're not even good missiles

[pulsar cairn]

Sounds about right

[thin ibex]

what they are though, is extremely confident and enthusiastic

which can do a lot for you

[pulsar cairn]

[wild fog]

GW seems resistant to wanting to finally just make fem space marines a thing. I really think most players who actually play wouldn't care but it'd be an online shitstorm

To be clear, it should happen, but it would not surprise me that GW doesn't want to deal with the backlash

[pulsar cairn]

They could also just state that the space marines are hella mysogynist i've seen people suggest that

[wild fog]

They would never

[upper bluff]

Once we get Space Marine pizza rolls we'll get women space marines

[wild fog]

It would attract a part of thr Fandom they do not want

[pulsar cairn]

Oh i see

Yeah that would be bad

[tardy vault]

please don't make the rest of the Space Marine fans just as suspect as Black Templar fans

[pulsar cairn]

Black templar fans are that bad?

[upper bluff]

The only way they would do it is if it was like a joke. Like Calgar tells Guilliman they've been following the codex astartes to a T even when he said Girls are Icky when he was 12

[wild fog]

Black Templar fans are like Krieg fans. I'm not going to immediately be suspicious of them but I'm going to need to know what they find appealing

[tardy vault]

It's like a person saying "I'm a huge fan of WWII history!"

[pulsar cairn]

i like kriegsman, but is mostly due to their uniforms

[thin ibex]

i feel like, if they were smart about it, they might realize a lot of prospective fans would take such a move as a go to participate

which would probably cover for the chuds you lose

as customers

[pulsar cairn]

I prefer the ones from armaggedon whats their name again?

[thin ibex]

steel legion is cooler than krieg imo

because mechanized tactics

[pulsar cairn]

Yeah i agree

[thin ibex]

i liked the armageddon story element that the manufactorum chimera were literally being driven off of the assembly line into combat

[pulsar cairn]

Tanks fun

[wild fog]

"I even painted my guardsman in the style of <German nazi battalion>"

A thing I heard about an ig krieg player that uh I did not play

[granite basin]

the thing is, lorewise, it is actually possible to make fem marines. it's just more difficult for some wackass reason. i headcanoned it as one of the simplest reasons: Big E just didn't give enough of a fuck to make the process any better, which is why custodes are co-ed and space marines Need to have geneseed stuff to get their abilities

[pulsar cairn]

That happened in ww2 at the battle of stalingrad!

Call me a nerd i dont care

[pulsar cairn]

I see

[granite basin]

wargaming attracts history nerds lol

[thin ibex]

correct me if im wrong, the lore reason no fem marines was "their bones are wrong" which is a hand wavy and bs reason

[wild fog]

I am so tired of "but the lore!" When that snippet of lore is such a handwave when the real reason is 'we didn't want to make fem molds'"

[granite basin]

the actual reason is that female space marines weren't models that sold well so they codified it into lore.

[tardy vault]

Didn't sell well in the 80s

[granite basin]

yes.

they haven't changed it since. correct.

[wild fog]

Wasn't it one model too?

[granite basin]

two actually

[pulsar cairn]

they should release fabulous bill's fem space marines

[tardy vault]

The lore reasons are easily ignorable now imo

Because mother fucking Cawl is out and about doing BS

[granite basin]

also the 1e fem marine molds needed some more time in the oven tbfh.

[thin ibex]

the new tithes episode is just a kill team battle, as a t angent

[tardy vault]

And somehow he cracked female marines boy golly go buy our upgrade sprues for $60

[granite basin]

they uh. they did not look good

[finite compass]

I thought it was "Multiple sprues is expensive, and we don't want to make another" originally

[pulsar cairn]

Btw do custodes look human under their armor? Or do they look more like a homunculus? Their souls are like transfered into new bodies right?

[thin ibex]

they look like big humans iirc

[wild fog]

Yeah but you know, now Stormcast exist

[finite compass]

Like Astartes

HUmans, but gigantified

[thin ibex]

astartes are far more... strange

looking i mean

imo

at least generally speaking

[wild fog]

Ooo what kill team factions for tithes?

[thin ibex]

with the black carapace and scaring

scarring*

and i imagine space marines are less proportionate

[pulsar cairn]

[thin ibex]

custodes on the other hand, i imagine to be more statuesque

and idealized as far as human form goes

[pulsar cairn]

i do not know the meaning of that word

[thin ibex]

theres more care that goes into the creation of a custodes by far

[pulsar cairn]

Like legit what does statuesque mean english is not my first language

[thin ibex]

like a statue, mostly, but implied more to mean like chiseled out of stone

with intent

[pulsar cairn]

I see i see

[thin ibex]

like old greek statues

[pulsar cairn]

I like custodes

Good ol banana guards

[thin ibex]

guard/orks

[finite compass]

I was wondering if we ever had a depiction of a custodes out of their armor, then I remembered

[thin ibex]

we have the tithes actually

the recent show

has a custodes out of her armor

but in normal clothes rather than like

oiled up

[finite compass]

Yes, but the Pillarstodes are funnier.

[wild fog]

I can hear the music in the gif

[lofty warren]

Its going to happen in the next 5-10 years imo

They are starting to test the waters with stuff like femstodes

[wild fog]

I hope so

[pulsar cairn]

just kill every space marine

they are boring anyway

[granite basin]

That'd go over like a snowball in hell lmao

[paper bluff]

Yeah they're too mascot

[granite basin]

They're boring but they onboard ppl to the IP

And that's Way more important

[paper bluff]

As for custodians, they are humanity pushed to the maximum except they kinda ish lack specific free will

[jagged dawn]

Space marines are boring but that’s just because people don’t experiment with them

The concept can be interesting, but the implementation makes them boring

At least in our opinion

[paper bluff]

They don't dream, they don't have aspersions, the will absolutely execute orders, and are kinda philosophical zombies

[granite basin]

Space Marines are allowed a much broader range of humanity and philosophy than Custodes, but the bar for "acting like a person" is a deep cut subterranean mine by then

[thin ibex]

Honestly, I just don't think space marines are boring. Sure they don't click for everyone. But they bet clearly click for a lot of people

Very clearly*

[granite basin]

They click for me, and I find them v interesting, but I'm also immensely biased

[thin ibex]

I think if discussing them from some sort of macro perspective, they simply aren't boring. They can be boring to you or me or someone else, but they remain the most popular umbrella faction iirc

[lofty warren]

Vanilla is great

[thin ibex]

People still buy space marines, people still play them

[lofty warren]

But also its vanilla

[granite basin]

I'm gonna make my own chapter at some point and I think it'll be v fun

[lofty warren]

Also they keep writing marines in very...heroic ways

Absolving ways

Marines, or at least some marines, are often depicted as the one functional element of the imperium

Most suffering the problem of selling toys

[uneven ember]

Orks understand the important parts of being a pilot: "throttle" (as high as you can set it) and "trigger" (just hold it down)
And they usually route the fuel line through the cockpit in case they get thirsty

[pulsar cairn]

the waaagh energy can make their stuff go faster too

[thin ibex]

I do somewhat resent the "marines as pretty" thing in general. I think they should be scarred, weathered, damaged, tubes poking out of weird places and bionics. Reflect the decades and centuries of service.

Titus, for all that I enjoy SM2, suffers from this imo

[floral herald]

It’s looking good

Removes some ugly snags from the rules

Hard to say until it comes out how balance will land - we know there’s a lot of changes

New starter box is like, probably the best value a GW box has had for a while

[floral herald]

No it’s not that, it’s been explained a couple of different ways but has something to do with either enhancements which key into the Y chromosome or something about hormonal profiles iirc

[thin ibex]

Ahh ok, still feels a little weak considering how advanced the whole process is

Ty

[mental birch]

The only lore about this is Malchurius's Secratary's notes

Which is countered by an actual event where an Escher ganger can be vanished by the Imperial Fists to become a marine

The resolution if we're treating both as true is the guy taking notes misunderstood something

[solemn gull]

Oh thats an actual thing that can happen?

[tardy vault]

everyone mentions how addicting buying plastic is

but no one mentions the paint

[mental birch]

Yeah it's an event that's rollable in the necromunda campaign and can happen to any ganger

[marsh haven]

Not enuff dakka

[upper canopy]

https://x.com/kookoudge/status/1836814688392466511

🅅 (@kookoudge) on X

Twitter · Sep 19, 2024, 5:08 PM

[past sphinx]

We'll get models for the new men before fsm

I bring tidinga

Tidings

Tales of blood and steel

[floral herald]

That's plausible cause they'll probably be in Codex EC and that's probably mid 2025

[past sphinx]

After like 8 years i have finally won a game of warhammer

42 to 40

[floral herald]

Nice congrats!

[past sphinx]

choked the midboard and beat things to death

a secret khorne list as it turned out

[floral herald]

The CSM way haha

[floral herald]

haha

https://youtu.be/MN0WMa2ayS8

This seems neat

Also a new entry into the fucked up sphere cinematic universe

[lofty warren]

Thats my feeling as well. It fixes most my issues with kt 21 but idk how the teams i want to run will fare till their rules are out

I did just buy legionaries though so i guess im committed

[floral herald]

Legionaries are fun as hell

[lofty warren]

I own kommandos, vet guard, and legionaries now

[floral herald]

I hope the Butcher gets a little boost though

[lofty warren]

Trying to figure out how to make the anointed less goofy

[floral herald]

Honestly - my Anointed is a borrowed lightning claws chosen

I used the Anointed parts to scrape together an extra Heavy Melee Weapon Aspchamp for other Legionaries

[lofty warren]

Thats something

[runic swallow]

Yeah, but consider, the Genehounds/New Men are rad as fuck

[past sphinx]

They are and we should get models for them buuuuut

Long shot

[runic swallow]

Yeah unfortunately

[wide veldt]

oh my god have you guys heard patstaresat describe warhammer?
"The british soldier is a powerful, mutated everyman who faces off against nightmarish hordes of foreigners largely minding their own buisness"

which i found hysterical

and also pointed out how fucking funny it is that tyranids have guns when they could.... like....... just spit acid or something???

they dont need the gun?!?!?!

[arctic lynx]

Ah but you see, the gun is it's own Tyranid that spits acid/eggs/spines which is held by the bigger Tyranid.
This makes it even more dumb and funny.

Tyranids hold smaller Tyranids that shoot even smaller Tyranids.
It's nids all the way down.

[arctic lynx]

Accurate

[wide veldt]

no absolutely, but like

why

i know why, the answer is that its fuckin incredible

[arctic lynx]

Because 40k.

I also love that the Tyranid guns are like symbiotes that are melded into their flesh... but the guns have trigger guards and you can see the fingers holding the handles before they melt into each other.

It's so silly.

It's even got a magazine and a sight made of bone.

Truly the Tyranids have mastered evolution

[wide veldt]

so fucking dumb

it has a tiny bayonet claw

thats so dumb

(i love it)

[arctic lynx]

It's for the tiny tyranid that's a bayonet to attach to.

(I don't think that actually exists but I wouldn't be surprised)

[bright dove]

So the guns being their own bioforms that don't have their own digestive system means they can be broken back down to biomass before gaunts and such are.

Also makes grunts easier to grow. Just a little guy that can schmoove and an even littler guy to spray acid or be a hive for flesh eating worms.

Just make the right tools for your harvest without having to adjust the base footsoldier

[jaunty dawn]

also because gsc and zoats were part of tyranids from the beginning the idea of biomorph weapons being something you could just hold predates them being stuff that just spawns there

termagants are meant to be just kinda goofy

fleshborers especially are like the only tyranid gun with stuff like a banana mag

at least after 2e anyway. 2e weapons were just like what if normal guns but Giger-ized

[ebon forge]

Have you ever saw a random mini and went "THIS FUCKS"?
My lord, what is this one called?

[quaint compass]

Primaris Judicator I believe

[ebon forge]

Thank you kindly

[pulsar cairn]

arent black templars the loyalist word bearers?

[marsh haven]

Pretty much

With some world eater vibes also

[tranquil ivy]

Here we go again

[tranquil ivy]

Primaris Judiciar

Chaplain in training sworn to secrecy basically.

I kitbashed one myself :>

[ebon forge]

Do show :3c

[pulsar cairn]

[desert jay]

@wide veldt I think one of my favorite Tyranid weapon facts is that a Hive Tyrant's bonesword isn't just alive, it's got a brain in it

[pulsar cairn]

It does?

What's the point of that?

[desert jay]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

it's a force weapon

but like self powered

[pulsar cairn]

So like...the brain activates those properties?

[desert jay]

AIUI, one part managing its own growth and stuff, one part psychic pulses

[jaunty dawn]

so anyone can use it as a power weapon equivalent thing

anyone*

[tranquil ivy]

All deployed :3

[ebon forge]

Looks awesome~

[tranquil ivy]

His name

Brother Primus

Land Raider gang

[ebon forge]

Land Raider party buss

[floral herald]

Force weapons are psychic

[pulsar cairn]

oh yeah! like the ones in darktide i remember now

[past sphinx]

Having nuked a wardog with one last night I can tell you landraiders are dope

[thin ibex]

the glow up for land raiders in 10th was so huge

though vehicles in general are great in 10th

[jaunty dawn]

lascannons and historically av 14 stuff got a big upgrade

[thin ibex]

also a big choice to have land raider's godhammers be a 2 shot instead of twin linked

i was thinking about models that havent gotten a hover tank/primaris update

and the vindicator and whirlwind come to mind

i wonder if the SM will get a mobile artillery model

designed by cawl

[jaunty dawn]

desolators in a impulsor 🤔

[thin ibex]

hmm true, though that is insanely expensive xD

also much smaller rockets

I figured, tbh, that it'd be a cannon instead of missiles; SM started using heavy stubbers, why not a cannon

all itd have to do is look a little modern instead of like a smoothbore, hand loaded cannon from the 1920s or 1940s

[floral herald]

Tbf modern cannons are hand loaded

[thin ibex]

true, i stumbled there, but i hope you get my meaning

[floral herald]

Though I think doctrinally rocket arty does make more sense for space marines

But yeah I get your meaning

[thin ibex]

though a hover tank + artillery is an interesting combo; guess you'd need an advanced recoil absorption tech

short, floating barrel might be an aesthetic

[jaunty dawn]

omg

the dinky tiny outriggers on the heavy rhino chassis stuff but it's proper outriggers to ground a hover tank

[thin ibex]

though it might also be kinda cool to have an artillery unit be a targeting system instead of an actual self propelled weapon

oh yeah

that might be cool

[floral herald]

They did that

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/1/17/Damocles07.png/revision/latest?cb=20120419141501

[thin ibex]

yeah with the orbital strike option right?

but not really repeatable? or was it

the idea wasn't something as lukewarm as how orbital bombardment was back then, but something you'd just treat like a weapon

[pulsar cairn]

what's that lil goober called

[jaunty dawn]

rhino primaris

[thin ibex]

domocles command rhino i think

[pulsar cairn]

cute

[jaunty dawn]

oh wait yeah there's two with basically the same concept

the primaris is just extra

[pulsar cairn]

i think rhinos look kinda cute

as a mini at least

[thin ibex]

i suppose rather than its own unit, they could just add like a up angled multi shot grenade launcher as an impulsor option

as a suppression tool or something

astartes heavy mortar or something

[ebon forge]

Has any book touched on how the Imperium Aquila looks like a lord of change?

[thin ibex]

you know what they say

blood for the emperor, skulls for the golden throne

[tranquil ivy]

So my marines got fucking tabled again, lmao

But I took down his dreadnought so we ball

[paper bluff]

Even if you loose, if your warlord kills their warlord, it feels like a win

[paper bluff]

Oh, did they size it up?

[still warren]

🇦🇱

Going to need to take a closer look at Albania

[ebon forge]

ALBANIA IS CONTROLLED BY CHAOS, NUKE IT TO THE GROUND /j

But then
Why Albania

'the heads reflect the emperor's dual authority in secular and religious concerns and supremacy over East and West.'

[solemn gull]

Maybe he just really needed a flag in a pinch and found some old dusty albanian flag that was like 18k years old and ran with it

[ebon forge]

But no book ever touched why of the symbol so all we have is speculation ? Dang

[jaunty dawn]

its entirely possible that its the other way around and lord of change looks like an aquila

although probably most lord of changes actually look different but universe based on a wargame things

[past sphinx]

goddammit rome

[floral herald]

It’s worth noting that the 40K double eagle has a different meaning

With the hooded eagle representing tradition and the sighted eagle looking to humanity’s future iirc

[still warren]

One head sees the past and the other the future? It really is a lord of change

[floral herald]

I mean they only have 1 head

[upper canopy]

I think the Aquila represents the Imperium and the Mechanicum

[floral herald]

Kairos Fateweaver intentionally evokes the double eagle visually though

[upper canopy]

This difference in opinion can only be solved by civil war I think

[floral herald]

Iirc there’s tons of meaning ascribed to parts of it and a lot of them overlap I think that’s also true

[still warren]

Oh shit, Kairos then

[floral herald]

Some are REALLY specific too like the left talon representing the Custodes

[jaunty dawn]

the emperor just told all the guys he wanted to like him they made up some part of the aquila

[still warren]

The highest honor, being the left toe on a flag

[past sphinx]

Only the one to the future has an eye the head to the past is blind

Blind to ots failing if you will

[floral herald]

Huh I thought Kairos replicated the blindfold

[spice flicker]

Any good eldar books? One of the players in my crusade didn't know much about 40k outside of memes before joining and choosing Eldar. I gave him the suggestion of listening to the cain stories and have blitzed through them. Any book suggestions I can give to him related to his crusade faction?

[tardy vault]

From what I understand Eldar books are all written by someone that hates Eldar unfortunately.

Eldar players tend to hate them

[floral herald]

Some of them are good

But I don’t remember which ones

[turbid sonnet]

they should make a new world eaters hero who's just a pro wrestler

i think khorne would smile upon a mean ass dropkick

[rocky shale]

The ones with yvraine aren't pure eldar books but I heard they're good

[upper canopy]

Path of the Eldar is good until the end

[solemn gull]

Average FFG space marine

The grapples were lethal in that game

You could just chuck someone into the air and the mortal wounds were pretty deadly

[jagged dawn]

https://x.com/nergil911/status/1836955853837963566?s=46&t=oWW_NnXMz5xZU9SUUTq01g

Matt Yoder (@Nergil911) on X

Share your fire art... don't worry... he makes a lot of fire.

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 2:29 AM

[mild glen]

I just got a Pirahna in and I'm excited to build it -- but I'm going back and forth about whether to give it a fusion blaster or a burst cannon. Thoughts? (Don't say magnets)

[thin ibex]

i usually go fusion

cause its got drones

though both feel fun narratively

i like the idea that a patrol team of 2 guys has some "artillery" if they need it

but also the burst cannon feels cool as brrrrt

especially imagining high speed chase

i forget it still forces bshock on a target its hit right?

in that regard the burst cannon gives you a better chance to trigger that

[mild glen]

Just need to end within 12 to trigger Battleshock

[thin ibex]

ahh ok

yeah, on the board the cheeky d6 of damage makes it a threat to bigger toys, and it has 2 sets of pulse rifles otherwise

but the burst cannon helps with volume fire if you're just gonna blast chaff with em

narratively its a tough choice to me, but fusion is the way to go on the tabletop imo

[mild glen]

I'm just worried about my volume of hoard clear v my volume of AT

[mental birch]

So I've been thinking of a 'starter'

Tow lizard army

Lizardmen - Slinky - [495pts]

++ Main Force ++ [495pts]

Characters [94pts]
Saurus Scar-Veteran [94pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Great Weapon, General
Core [401pts]
Saurus Warriors [201pts]: Thrusting Spear

• 12x Saurus Warrior [14pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield
• 1x Spawn Leader [7pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [7pts]
• 1x Musician [7pts]
  Skink Skirmishers [50pts]:
• 10x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields
  Skink Skirmishers [50pts]:
• 10x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields
  Skink Skirmishers [50pts]:
• 10x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields
  Skink Skirmishers [50pts]:
• 10x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields

[thin ibex]

whats your army looking like atm?

[mental birch]

Current meta says fusion

Long term kinda doesn't matter

Because their job is to be the most annoying 55 point t7 7 wound, model with 14" movement in the world

[mild glen]

Vaguely:
2x Breacherfish Squad w/ Fireblade
1x Strike Team w/ Ethereal
2x Railheads (Only one currently built)
2x Stealth Suits (Only one currently built)
1x Flamer Starscythe w/Coldstar
1x Sunforge w/ Coldstar
1x Ion Ghostkeel w/ Fusion
1x Ion Riptide w/ Plasma
1x Pathfinders (Recon, 2x Rail, 1x Ion)
(The remaining points here are slotted for 2x Pirahnas, but I'm not sure what guns to give 'em)

[mental birch]

Fusion you lack anti vehicle IMO

[thin ibex]

you have breacherfish and flamer starcythes, you dont need more chaff clear

my army is tiny atm
1x Strike team w/ethereal
1x Breacher team w/fireblade
1x Devilfish
1x Fireknife Crisis w/Enforcer suits; missiles and plasma
1x Pathfinder team, 2 railguns 1 ion
1x Broadside
1x Kroot Farstalkers
2x Stealth Team

oh and 1x ghostkeel with ion

[jagged dawn]

Hmm, thinking once we’re done class we’ll hop into battlescribe and building a possible SM army

We haven’t touched battlescribe since 9e so it would be good to dip our toes in

[solemn gull]

Does battlescribe have 10e stuff I thought it was abandonware

[jagged dawn]

Uh, don’t know actually

[upper bluff]

Battlescribe does have 10e stuff but as the community made file grows more complex to fit 10th editions rules battlescribes features will become outdated

I highly recommend new recruit

[jagged dawn]

Ah, you’re right

Alright to new recruit we go

[upper bluff]

Like for example if you want to build a emperor's children army (although why would you) battle scribe is super jank

[jagged dawn]

(We can’t even find the files for 9e and 10e on battlescribe so we’re unable to access the lists we made previously)

[lofty warren]

Hoho

I feel like i might be able to make a few of the goofier minis work better by not following the instructions as close

Better poses or something

[past sphinx]

Headswaps do wonders for csm

Every kit really

[floral herald]

I assembled mine recently anything in particular you’re looking to avoid?

[past sphinx]

Csm has bad heads

[junior robin]

the shoulderpads are more of a eyesore for me, not a fan of the missing corners

[past sphinx]

I like the heavy metal vibe from em

Unlike the 90% trim heads

[lofty warren]

I like the heads

[floral herald]

I also like the heads

[lofty warren]

Eh, not particularily

[floral herald]

Especially the ones with tusks or teeth

[lofty warren]

Just might mix around who gets what

Body/loadout wise

[floral herald]

Fair, I will say that the posing is pretty flexible since all legs+bodies with with all arms

[lofty warren]

Also split on of i want to give the guys who can have melee or bolters melee or bolter

(specifically icon bearer)

[floral herald]

Oh give Icon a bolter imo

There aren’t actually that many guys who can run a long gun on the team

[lofty warren]

Oh good, he gets the cool bolter pose with the long feed being held up

[floral herald]

Hell yeah

[floral herald]

It’s basically icon+warrior and the warriors are very rarely worth running

[lofty warren]

Warriors suck and i will not be assembling any

[floral herald]

Oh and gunner/heavy gunner

Yeah you don’t run warriors with legionnaires

You have more good specialists than slots

[lofty warren]

I think they should just ditch em from the game

Chaff boring units should not be for anything but teams built around that

People like cool tricks

[floral herald]

I think they’re useful to have for people who just have some normal legionaries and want to be able to form a legal simple team for trying KT out

But otherwise they’re pretty much just there for weird niche comps

[lofty warren]

Since 3.0 is making overwatch able to use any move they seem even less potentially useful

Since now you can reposition/charge as a counteract, if i understand correctly

[floral herald]

Also seems to make Overwatch more accurate which might benefit having more strong shooters though

[lofty warren]

True

Im curious what the chaincannon will get to be competitive with the heavy bolter

[floral herald]

For KT1 it was mostly just a niche trick vs like… beastmen and chaos cult

[lofty warren]

Now that you can automatically shoot twice with the heavy bolter with astartes

[floral herald]

Oh since the heavy bolter is getting - yeah

8 attacks you heard it here first

[lofty warren]

(and also missile launcher, since i suspect chaincannon will get torrent which is sideways blast)

[floral herald]

Or maybe less punitive heavy since I think Suspensors are gone

[lofty warren]

(cause fusillade seems to go away)

Im very curious what the unique equipment will be

All equipment seems to have minis now, even if just as markers, so i wonder if some will be some kind of cool deployable

For all the teams

[floral herald]

I think just the generic equipment does

I don’t think team equipment like Aquilon Knives have models?

I might be wrong

[lofty warren]

Yeah, probably not

Bet people will make it now though

[floral herald]

Probably yeah

[lofty warren]

But would be cool to have some kind of chaos shrine or something, idk

Bespokes might start getting it

[floral herald]

True yeah

If I had to guess the CSM equipment will probably the god themed

Since they tend more to be wide buffs now

[lofty warren]

Probably

Maybe only usable by operatives with that keyword

[spice flicker]

So how should I do secondaries if I am organizing a 2v2? Each player has 2 cards? Each team only has 2 cards for the entire round? Should the score be counted at the end of each player's turn or at the end of the round?

[thin ibex]

If you're playing 2v2 with only one score per side, secondaries should be per side not per player

[spice flicker]

That's what I thought and how I ran it

[wide veldt]

Oh no my friends are getting me back into 40k

[pulsar cairn]

Did tzeench help the rat?

[floral herald]

Any group in particular?

[wide veldt]

what do you mean

[floral herald]

Like army

[wide veldt]

oh!
i'm pretty split rn

i really like IG (which is what theyre still called fight me), votann, tau, or genestealers

[floral herald]

I was gonna try to shill for a kill team but all those factions have a couple banger kill teams

[wide veldt]

lolol

For Killteam I wanna grab the imperial navy breaching guys

They’re fucking awesome

[rocky shale]

Play imperial agents, you can run 60 breachers

In fact, you probably want to run 60, they're pretty great

[wide veldt]

Isn’t killteam supposed to be like quad scale stuff?

Squad

[rocky shale]

Yeah, but you can use breachers in a normal 40k army

They're in the Imperial Agents codex

[wide veldt]

Oh shit rad

[rocky shale]

You can also ally them into other imperium factions but there's not a lot of reason to stuff them into IG

Agents is inquisition, navy, rogue traders, deathwatch, and arbites with a tiny bit of support from Grey Knights and sisters units

[wide veldt]

Their list seems p small from what I can see tho

[rocky shale]

Yeah, it's a brand new codex and they got kinda shafted in terms of vehicles

[floral herald]

It’s kinda meant to be used as allies even if you can run them solo

I technically have a good sized AA army just from kill teams

But it’s very non optimal

[rocky shale]

It's a cool army not currently a great one. If you really like elite characters and mechanized infantry it's pretty neat

If you like reliable anti tank it is not

[wide veldt]

Oh also the pdf I was looking at wasn’t full

That was weird

[floral herald]

20 breachers 20 cops, Eversor, rogue trader, inquisition goons

I think that’s it

[rocky shale]

Tbh not terrible, needs some rhinos and some armigers and it'd be playable

[wide veldt]

I think

Factions should go back to being able to like, take little detachments from other allied factions

Let my guard have one squad of space marines come on it’ll be funny

Is there a reliable place I can see what’s available for armies in 10e without having to drop a bunch of money on every codex?

[rocky shale]

Technically you can do this using imperial Agents to grab deathwatch or GK termis

[wide veldt]

Oh okay that seems workable

[rocky shale]

They don't get your army rules or anything but they do exist

[rocky shale]

Wahapedia prob

Or like the new recruit list builder

[wide veldt]

Oh yeah im looking at new recruits right now

This makes more sense

Now, NEW question

What is Legends

[floral herald]

Need opponent permission

[rocky shale]

Legends is basically older models that get one rules release and never get a balance pass, aren't tournament legal, etc.

[wide veldt]

Oh so just like

Sillies

For friendly stuff

Gotcha

[rocky shale]

Usually it's for models that aren't being sold anymore

[floral herald]

They’re also yeah - expensive OOP or hard to find models

[rocky shale]

Basically don't design your list around them, but they can be fun to mess around with

[wide veldt]

looks at all the unique rogue traders being legends

[rocky shale]

Those are from the Blackstone fortress board game, unfortunately

[wide veldt]

…. I mean they still LOOK usable

[rocky shale]

Rules wise they're probably fine to use in casual games tbh

[thin ibex]

You can still field them, just not with their own stuff (when not using legends). They're just generic rogue traders

[rocky shale]

Most legends units are under tuned

But yeah you could totally proxy them for the normal rogue trader too

[thin ibex]

Like Eisenhorn isn't his own thing anymore but can still be used as a normal Inquisitor

[wide veldt]

Right yeah

Idk I’d just be playing w my friends who aren’t extremely casual so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Oh the generic rogue trader entourage is like a squad

That’s cool

Huh, it’s a squad of dudes with leader

[floral herald]

Yeah

[wild fog]

I really want to get into Killteam just because "paint 10 guys" is so much less intimidating than "paint 100 guys"

[floral herald]

The Starstriders are from an old kill team box

Elucia Vhane vs the gellerpox infected

[wild fog]

5 orkz = fun! 100 orkz "please let me die"

Don't even get me stated on mechanicus

[wide veldt]

Oh AdMech is also on the table for me

I forgot them

I like a lot of factions…..

[wild fog]

My condolences

Hope you can spare a kidney and enjoy painting a LOT of greebles

[wide veldt]

Lmao

[rocky shale]

They have thier own box now too

[wide veldt]

Are they especially expensive?

[wild fog]

Admech are the second most $ expensive army if not the most right now

[rocky shale]

They used to be really bad, now they're just moderately pricy

[wide veldt]

Presumably because they’re like

[wild fog]

Oh did they get better recent?

[wide veldt]

Especially fiddly

?

[floral herald]

I am biased but orks never get old to paint

[rocky shale]

The codex buffed them and raised point values which helped

[floral herald]

Yeah I just note their origin because they're unusual

[pine matrix]

Surprised admech haven't got a kill team yet

[wide veldt]

I’ve never painted anything before in my life so if I get that far that’ll be interesting

[rocky shale]

Partially this, partially just really low cost units so making 2k points took a ton of kits

[floral herald]

Admech do have one - Hunter Clade

[wild fog]

God good. They used to be like almost 1 dollar per point which was just absurd

[wide veldt]

LMAOOO

incredible

I will simply buy the tau manta for ultimate point value /s

[pine matrix]

Oh right, but not like a custom one?

[wide veldt]

God she does call to me though

My beloved fuck huge battleship……

[floral herald]

Custom rules but no models yeah

[wide veldt]

Does the manta still have rules in 10e?

[floral herald]

yes but its legends iirc

[wide veldt]

Yeah that’s not surprising

But I mean

Even if it wasn’t

You’re not gonna be fielding that fucking thing in a tournament

[thin ibex]

One heard the kommando team is relatively fun, though in the new version they'll be a "season 1" KT so they won't be balanced against the later seasons

[wild fog]

Paying thousands for a giant heavy brick that will absolutely break if it gets dropped

[thin ibex]

I've heard*

[floral herald]

They're keeping balance updates for the whole season

[wide veldt]

Oh I more meant that it costs an entire standard army worth of points to field the thing

[wild fog]

Yeah if I got into KT I'd honestly start collecting teams like candy

[floral herald]

The rotating out just means that they're banned in tournaments unless specially allowed

[thin ibex]

Yeah I figured season 1 will be most balanced against season 1

But you can play with any against any I'm pretty sure

[wild fog]

Need to see if a local community is around where I live though. 40k/aos is too much of a time sink lately

[floral herald]

Sorry I misspoke - whole edition

[thin ibex]

It's taken me like 3 years to build about 1k points not even paint them, I've been going so slow

But I'm happy to have done so

All the same

[pine matrix]

I was doing some painting today, very much regretting doing and Raider and Ravager in white

I will battle through it but I'm never doing this colour scheme again

[rocky shale]

Oof

[thin ibex]

Oh I thought there was gonna be a 4 year life span on actively balancing teams and that they'd sub categorize into seasons that are balanced against each other?

[spice flicker]

With the limited lifespan I wonder how that'll affect Imperial agents?

[floral herald]

It won't

The relevant teams have been packaged as 40k boxes

[pulsar cairn]

btw

what's the dark angels current focus?

[past sphinx]

being the best legion

[pulsar cairn]

[floral herald]

In flux

[pulsar cairn]

sounds healthier than hunting for the fallen

[thin ibex]

i have to imagine that theres a lot of upheaval

with the primarch's return

internally

i suspect azrael will keep secrets from him

[floral herald]

He’s not even hanging out with them rn iirc

[thin ibex]

yeah, but theres no way they wouldn't experience a lot of upheaval with his return

or at least

i dont think so

with all the secrets

that whats his face escaped the prison

[untold swallow]

hey!

[thin ibex]

that their home base's secret like... core thing got zoinked

[pulsar cairn]

[thin ibex]

but yeah i think their core deal of keeping random secrets for no reason will continue

[pulsar cairn]

yeah i feel like Azrael probably doesnt like the new direction

[thin ibex]

and on the table they'll enable white scars playstyle without playing white scars

😛

[pulsar cairn]

whit scars go vroom

[thin ibex]

i do currently think that the best way to play white scars is to play Dark Angels as stormlance, and paint up a bunch of ravenwing units as white scars

[jagged dawn]

interesting, the points changes since we (well, Stormtalus) made this list means it's no longer 750 points

it's now 625

did not realize they discounted some of the units so much

[jaunty dawn]

seemingly they're going the opposite direction of just making warriors somewhat specialist themselves

just not in a way that requires them to be unique

like aquilon generics are better at airdropping

[thin ibex]

I have a bit more than 1k in units rn

[jaunty dawn]

nice!

seems like a nice spread

[flat radish]

hello hi it's me once more

i have decided to look in depth at chaos to see if i enjoy it as much as i do admech and tyranids

i enjoy it more than those two

[upper bluff]

Another Tech priest lost to chaos 😭

[past sphinx]

THE DARK GODS WELCOME ALL

[flat radish]

well i mean i was already lost to the nids i just fell further down the warp hole

[wild fog]

The important question is which Chaos God is your favorite?

[floral herald]

chaos is the one true answer

[flat radish]

don't have one

although, i do have a "least favorite" in nurgle

even then I like him a lot

[floral herald]

That's fair Nurgle is very grody

[flat radish]

it's just...the stuff he does is a sometimes thing for me

khorne, tzeentch, and slaanesh however, i can get behind anytime

[bright dove]

Khorne is my favorite, Nurgle is second, Tzeentch 3rd, then the Great Horned Rat, then Malal, and then Slaanesh.

[floral herald]

I don't have a really strong ordering of them tbh

[flat radish]

what did slaanesh ever do to you

[bright dove]

Be gross.

[flat radish]

yeah thats fair

but then thats also slightly hypocritical since papa Nurgle is your second fav

[bright dove]

Different gross

[flat radish]

still fair

[granite basin]

so the space marine 2 forum introduced the Charnel Guard to me. i thought i was off the blood angels juice man. why do they have so many cool chapters

and it made me think about w&g, self-indulgently: how would one of the Charnel Guard show up in Gilead, if at all possible?

bc i was under the impression that gilead is very isolated and hard to reach at, so stuff like space marine reinforcements are inherently much harder to swing

hence the situation of why even the absolvers (or any imperial agent really) have to grit their teeth and work with groups they'd otherwise despise

[lofty warren]

@floral herald i got two spare bodies for gunners, what are the best two to have

That or i could have one of each of the heavy gunner options but im less sold on that

[floral herald]

Hard to say with the new edition about to drop

The plasma is most important

You don’t have a lot of options for long ranged shooting and it’s really good shooting

People tend to prefer the melta over the flamer

Partially because your wizard has a mini-flamer

[lofty warren]

Plasma is for sure, i think

The question is most between heavy bolter, flamer, melta

God i hope the chaincannon is good

Model is so sick

[floral herald]

Hmm, I think trying to get both the heavy bolter and melta would be good

But unless you play on ITD a lot the melta is less important than the HB imo

Legionaries have a lot of dangerous mofos within 6" so the melta is less important

But also the melta can advance like 9 inches and ruin someone's day

[past sphinx]

converting some spare bolter csm to chosen lads

[floral herald]

Oh those are fun kitbashes

[past sphinx]

thinking the chosen in the black hand are raptors who displeased the cult and got their wings clipped

[floral herald]

Warp Talons are really fun ersatz chosen heads

[past sphinx]

they have a specific fucked up vibe

like unintentially fucked up unlike the cool guy fucked up helms the normal chosen got

[lofty warren]

Maybe ill just try and nab 2 csm bodies off of someone so i can have the set. Or buy a regular legionaries kit to assemble all the options i dont have, didnt make any aspiring champs either

[floral herald]

Oh, just the Chosen?

I magnetized mine but it was a pain

[lofty warren]

I considered it but magnetizing is a pain, esp since i dont have a large bit for my pin vise yet

And demon sword is cool

[floral herald]

1: Asp Champ+Chosen
2: Balefire Acolyte
3: Shrivetalon
4: Butcher
5: Anointed
6: Melta+Plasma
7: Heavy Bolter
8: Chaincannon
9: Missile Launcher
10: Flamer+Bolter-Icon
That was how I did it to minimize magnetization

[lofty warren]

Whoop

[floral herald]

If you skip the AspChamp you don't need to do any shoulders

[lofty warren]

Bad shot

But this is what i have thus far

I could saw off the glues, probably

[floral herald]

You're probably in good shape

If you play CSM outside of KT you're also gonna end up with a lot of legionaries or good standins

[lofty warren]

I dont play bighammer at the moment, alas

[floral herald]

I think you'll be fine without the flamer unless it gets a big buff in KT2

[lofty warren]

I could magetize the melta and the plasma, probably

[floral herald]

It's kinda hard for me to recommend things with the new edition coming in 2 weeks lol

[lofty warren]

Yeah, thats the problem

[floral herald]

Yeah that's pretty easy stuff with just wrists

[lofty warren]

Ill hold off on commitments for now, probably. Worst comes to worst ill pick up something someone offloads

[floral herald]

I'm hoping the 2024 rules give the Butcher a boost

The model rules but he's kind of a niche specialist

I won't say bad but I think he only really makes sense vs big horde teams

Where you can get lucky and kill like 3 dudes on the charge

[lofty warren]

Hopefully

The chaos talismans will at least make em more reliable

[floral herald]

yeah true

And being able to React-Fight will make Legionaries scarier in general

Since you can Reposition+Dash+Charge an already active model to shield from shooting and the Reaction Fight later for the kill

And cause they're making elites 14 wounds base but that's low hanging

[lofty warren]

Isnt move-charge illegal

[past sphinx]

yes but we do many crimes

we have a permit

[ebon forge]

Who's bones a loyalist would carry around?

I also noticed Titus carry a bone (Fermur?) of someone on his armor

[jaunty dawn]

honoured chapter serf

its like how saint bones are kept etc

[misty violet]

I headcanon my Red Talon heavies as being skulls of slain enemies, mostly chaos marines

[junior robin]

would love to do a iron warrior army that takes the hands of imperial fists and their sucessors as trophies but hands are a pain to sculpt.

[ebon forge]

Oh! Thank you

Religious good luck charm from cool dead person

This guy must be pretty lucky /j

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/488515889952456704/1286933539455242241/87322052938ce893eb5804c01faf0cb9.mp4?ex=66efb5c1&is=66ee6441&hm=b6a77678c02c92e5a0a34fdbed27c780d0a289d0300b3b2654effe0876275db9&

[pulsar cairn]

That's kind of scary

[mental birch]

I'm very amused that

I'm the reason moveblocking here is called T'au tactics

[jaunty dawn]

lmao

those pesky tau

playing the movement phase optimally