A few are 'not my favorite' but they're all pretty neat
#Warhammer and Such
finite compass
floral herald
I have a surprisingly big part of an Imperial Agents army just from getting kill teams
turbid sonnet
i think word bearers are weaklings but that might just be because i hate lorgar
pulsar cairn
i dont much like the word bears
i mean word beares
how do i spell that fricking word
floral herald
bearers
pulsar cairn
thank you
floral herald
I am a CSM liker
finite compass
I like their schtick
floral herald
I do Black Legion so I can steal everyone's little paint scheme details on marines who've taken the black
pastel rampart
The biggest recommendation I can give is to never buy at MSRP. Always look for deals. Used market, local store doing 25% off, etc.
finite compass
And I like the irony
That the horrible arch-traitors who were responsible for everything lost, but still got everything they wanted.
pulsar cairn
is the black legion the strongest chaos faction? or just the most unified?
turbid sonnet
yeah that's why i'm leaning so hard towards imperial knights. they'll look fucking excellent even if they just end up being art pieces and see rare usage
finite compass
is the black legion the strongest chaos faction? or just the most unified?
They're more unified than most, and are the largest numerically, IIRC
Though the Black Legion will also recruit pretty much anybody, no matter their legion or chapter of origin.
pastel rampart
Nowadays thanks to the wonders of 3D printing you can buy knock-offs for way cheaper, or potentially free if you know someone with a printer who doesn't mind doing you a solid. There's never been a better time to get in because there's a wealth of alternative means.
finite compass
Which is WHY they're the largest
solemn gull
I think the death guard are the current strongest
tardy vault
The biggest recommendation I can give is to never buy at MSRP. Always look for d...
Connecting to this, at absolute worst everything is on Amazon for like 15% off of MSRP
solemn gull
Nurgle is on a win streak
turbid sonnet
Nowadays thanks to the wonders of 3D printing you can buy knock-offs for way che...
luckily my college has a 3d printer
mild glen
T'au are fine as a starting army -- evidentally they're a relatively popular choice for such. Their melee is poor, but that forces you to learn movement tricks (T'au are very mobile, so it helps)
turbid sonnet
plus t'au have...Mechs.......yeeeeeees...
mild glen
Also, roll well enough and you can punch fine.
finite compass
Black Legion aren't just former Sons of Horus. Black Legion are former everybody
pastel rampart
luckily my college has a 3d printer
Check what kind first. Resin printers is where all the best detail can be found, FDM is for bigger and chunkier stuff. Though maybe they have newer and more advanced printers for all I know.
turbid sonnet
considering my college i doubt it but i'll look into it if and when i decide to actually start the hobby
i really like 40k, a lot, it's one of my favorite fictional settings in spite of its various issues
mild glen
T'au melee is the weakest in the game, but it's not completely non existent
tardy vault
T'au are fine as a starting army -- evidentally they're a relatively popular cho...
the argument against Tau as a first army is because they basically don't have a fight phase means you don't learn that half of the game. Whether this is important enough to recommend a new player to start elsewhere idk, but that's the logic
pastel rampart
There's some merit to the argument because Tau should learn the fight phase as it's the most damaging thing to them.
mild glen
Yeah! That's the most solid anti-T'au argument, but you're going to learn it or learn to play around it.
Or both!
tardy vault
You'll learn it as a fail state and never as something to optimize or seek out.
pastel rampart
Yeah.
turbid sonnet
mfw i don't know how the fight phase works and the black templar is giving me that crusader stare
bold halo
did someone say tau melee
pastel rampart
Also I dunno who here plays 40k on Tabletop Sim but that's a very solid option to try out armies first without having to invest any money.
mild glen
Nothing teaches you to screen out deep strikes harde than a deep strike sinking a nine inch charge of a critical objective
turbid sonnet
so funny that black templars got their own fucking codex supplement i can't believe they're really that popular
tardy vault
Space Marines but for chuds
is surprisingly popular
(that is extremely unfair to the cool BT players)
pastel rampart
Kinda funny how BTs became the chud chapter when it was popular for being the easiest one to paint.
turbid sonnet
i really like the imperial fists they're one of my favorite chapters it just shocks me that black templars came from the turtle faction and not, like, dark angels
mild glen
All the non-complaint chapters get their own codex supplement so Astartes can pretend they're a Grand Alliance.
bold halo
BT are space knights on space crusades, not surprising they're popular
uneven ember
Kinda funny how BTs became the chud chapter when it was popular for being *the e...
I mean you think that
bold halo
Also I dunno who here plays 40k on Tabletop Sim but that's a very solid option t...
I tried so many things I couldn't afford on vassal lmao
turbid sonnet
yeah the more i think about it the higher chances i go imperial knights. i like the necrons and tyranids way more in terms of lore presence but imperial knights look so fucking cool
uneven ember
"black primer and I'm 90% done" sounds great but there's a whole step between "just black" and "shaded black that doesn't look like shit"
bold halo
the people picking black templars because they're easy to paint don't care about that, they care about getting the three colours for painted army points
turbid sonnet
i just wish tyranids had more named unique units besides just old one eye (i think they used to but they dont exist anymore or something)
bold halo
spray black, white shoulders, slip transfer, paint weapons silver, done
pastel rampart
I mean you *think* that
When thinking about it in the standards of what was acceptable tabletop standard from the 2000s through early 2010s, yes.
floral herald
Also I dunno who here plays 40k on Tabletop Sim but that's a very solid option t...
I do kill team more but I do
floral herald
i just wish tyranids had more named unique units besides just old one eye (i thi...
No named characters is kind of a tyranid hat
They actually have more than they've ever had I think
turbid sonnet
i know, but there can still be more things like old one eye where a specific tyranid becomes an urban legend or hated symbol amongst the horde
mild glen
the people picking black templars because they're easy to paint don't care about...
extra sad Raven Guard noises
turbid sonnet
give us a unique named termagaunt. i dare you gw
floral herald
Yeah there's also the Parasite of Mortrex, Doom of Malan'tai, and a couple others
turbid sonnet
okay i forgot about mortrex
floral herald
The Parasite of Mortrex is surprisingly gaunt-y too
turbid sonnet
dunno the second one though
floral herald
Basically a super-gargoyle
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/9b/Doom_of_Malan'tai_(Artwork).jpg
Super Zoanthrope which consumed a craftworld infinity circuit
bold halo
the deathleaperrrrrr
uneven ember
When thinking about it in the standards of what was acceptable tabletop standard...
Well yeah
I could get away with it back when but "black will be easier to paint" turned out to be a lot less true than I thought
turbid sonnet
foolish eldar
untold swallow
what in the Kentucky-Fried Starship Trooper fuck is that?
turbid sonnet
not to derail because i know this is the tabletop channel specifically but just briefly; really wish there was a 40k total war game, because i loved whfantasy total war 2, and dawn of war 2 feels just too clunky to play for me
finite compass
what in the Kentucky-Fried Starship Trooper fuck is that?
The 'Red Terror'
turbid sonnet
i feel like i should
soft willow
I not only remember it I owned the model.
finite compass
3e Tyranid 'Special Character'
soft willow
It was awful
turbid sonnet
i'm a fake tyranid fan i only know old one eye
tardy vault
not to derail because i know this is the tabletop channel specifically but just ...
Guess what there are rumors circulating about right now
turbid sonnet
Guess what there are rumors circulating about *right now*
really??? damn
excellent
finite compass
It was basically a Super Ravener
tardy vault
(they're also supposedly working on a WW1 Total War as well)
finite compass
tardy vault
(because they basically have to make a new engine)
turbid sonnet
if 40k total war releases with necrons i will be happy and well fed
turbid sonnet
janky creature
finite compass
Indeed
soft willow
All metal, and the joints were posed poorly so it fell apart all the time if you didn't pin it.
finite compass
And fully pewter
It's also up there with Chaos Dreadnaughts and 3.5 Obliterators for "put this in a sock and it counts as a deadly weapon"
pastel rampart
3e nids is one of the few from that era I have less nostalgia for compared to any other army, barring maybe Dark Eldar.
DE on release looked wack.
soft willow
I miss the 3e Tyrant model sometimes.
finite compass
3e DE were...Odd.
soft willow
The chonky boi with the horn just doesn't do it for me the same way.
turbid sonnet
i hate the drukhari with a passion. not because they aren't cool but because they took jaghatai khan away from us
pastel rampart
3e Tyrant still holds up, same with the carnifex, but the tyrant guard were uh...
turbid sonnet
bring him back. let him out
uneven ember
DE on release looked *wack.*
It was
A look
finite compass
The Tyrant Guard were doofy
soft willow
The new ones are cooler, but those guys rocked in 3rd.
past sphinx
This absolute bastard is like 25 pieces
turbid sonnet
heehee
past sphinx
Northern lions
turbid sonnet
love night lords
bold halo
holy shit I can't believe I forgot about Altansar while trying to figure out how to paint my new eldar, they're perfect for the kinds of minis I want to collect and the scheme I was workshopping
past sphinx
All bald
bold halo
big on warlocks and wraith constructs, threw their weight behind the ynnari, still big on aspect warriors though specifically reapers and swooping hawks, the deep dark red I love so much
turbid sonnet
i just wish warhammer was cheaper. why can't i have infinite money/everything be free forever
bold halo
actually fully painting your minis is a good speedbump to the financial cost
turbid sonnet
frankly i would just buy a knight castellan just to put the fucker together and leave it next to my armored core models if i didn't also have to paint it
because i am endlessly worried i'll bungle the painting
bold halo
you'll fuck up, and you'll learn, and you'll get better
but god I want an avatar of khaine but I have to paint these scorpions first which means the kickstarter paints have to get here first
uneven ember
Kickstarter paints?
bold halo
I backed wave 3 of the duncan rhodes paints
uneven ember
Ah neat
bold halo
because the paints I own from back when I played before are over a decade old and not especially Functional
some non-GW pots might be workable but most of it's gonna be dead
mild glen
frankly i would just buy a knight castellan just to put the fucker together and ...
You will fuck it up. That will be part of the fun.
(But also if there's a Warhammer store near you they do give free painting lessons)
past sphinx
simple green is cheap
burnt locust
bright dove
Oh hey, Deathwatch and the first Blood Angel book
wild fog
Black Legion the most unified chaos legion*
*They are constantly infighting the picosecond Abaddon is distracted for a second
finite compass
Black Legion the most unified chaos legion*
*They are constantly infighting the...
Both of these statements can be simultaneously true. 😛
pastel rampart
Twitter
valid brook
simple green is cheap
And reusable! I just pour it right back into the bottle through a coffee filter to catch the paint flakes
mild glen
Ankle joint on this Riptide is weak-- how to fix? Just "green stuff a mecha-sock and then hold it in place until it dries?"
tardy vault
Riptide and shitty ankles name a more iconic duo
bold halo
Drill it, reinforce with metal like a paperclip or other thin rod
If you really want to make it sturdy go all the way through the foot and into the base, though you'll have to disguise it somehow or just be fine with seeing it
mild glen
If you really want to make it sturdy go all the way through the foot and into th...
Really wishing I had a pile of shame I could plunder for a spare dead Marine or something under the foot right now.
thin ibex
You know what would be a really cool combo for a 2v2 game? Chaos knights plus the Dread Talons CSM
Battleshock gameplay
desert jay
spray black, white shoulders, slip transfer, paint weapons silver, done
I'm given to understand actually getting the white shoulders to look good over black primer is harder than it sounds
And also... there's a ton of chapters with simple two-color paint schemes
(Modern BTs also have robe-bits everywhere that also tend to be a light color)
bold halo
Oh for sure, but
bold halo
the people picking black templars because they're easy to paint don't care about...
See above
balmy wave
A Fallout 76 style Stormcast game would be so fucking good
It's a potentially multiplayer game
You and your fellow Stormcast exploring a realm, with a base of operations in a settlement that you can help grow
pulsar cairn
Quack
ducks dont exist and im prettt sure sharks dont exist in 40k
How do the space sharks know about them?
jaunty dawn
their traditions likely derive from a group of terran recruits to the raven guard I would imagine
pulsar cairn
i suppose terran space marines would be able to know
jaunty dawn
they have elements from pacific islander cultures so
marsh haven
Those are not worth 52 dollars each
past sphinx
their traditions likely derive from a group of terran recruits to the raven guar...
But where did they get sharks when all the seas of terra dried up long ago 🤔
uneven ember
I'm sure sharks exist in 40K
Both in the sense that pre-Fall humanity might have brought sharks out to the galaxy and also the sense that 40K is the kind of setting where a galaxy-spanning alien empire organized themselves on an ancient Egypt aesthetic millions of years before ancient Egypt
mild glen
Yall think a hammerhead or riptide first?
Hammerhead/sky ray is built on a Devilfish chassis, so I'd say if you've build a Devilfish before, the Hammerhead will be easy, and the riptide will be new.
Uh... I'm still trying to figure out my ankle joints, though
pastel rampart
Those are not worth 52 dollars each
You can, with luck, find them on the secondhand market for like $20.
Hell, even less. I got my old metal daemon prince and the classic Nagash for $15 total. Admittedly a very lucky find but still.
What is funny is that this is straight-up the cheapest I've seen 3 of these. Normally I see one go for like $20-25.
solemn gull
Kind of wild they are selling them for those prices when people have been selling WHF models on ebay for the past decade
pastel rampart
And for more than what GW is asking, in a bunch of cases.
I still won't buy from GW directly of course, but it is funny to see it.
jaunty dawn
But where did they get sharks when all the seas of terra dried up long ago 🤔
not the pacific!
past sphinx
Its not called the mariana canyon because its filled with water
Though one day we might get a reunification era map
HH done so maybe scouring books next
Next big epic being reunification might clear
paper bluff
But where did they get sharks when all the seas of terra dried up long ago 🤔
They have at least one shark like being in a tank on the battle barge iirc
It's tyberos' pet
past sphinx
Ngl thats funny as hell
paper bluff
Yeah
In the main battle barge, where tyberos sits to adress the battle brothers, there's a huge tank behind him. Iirc the book right, there's giant sharks in that tank
uneven ember
I hadn't heard that but tbh I can't imagine it being otherwise
past sphinx
How good of a time would it be to see the transformation over hundreds of years from scrap iron blades and lasguns to mass produced mk1 warplate and bolters
I need to find a way to deal with GUO's
I fight to many goddam GUO's
pine matrix
I've got two boxes HH1 marines, one set partially assembled, and I'm not sure what to do with them since they're out of scale with the new HH2 sets. Could probably use them as Inductii ||not that ive ever actually played 30k lmao|| but I was wondering if any of their parts fit HH2 sets.
pine matrix
Arms and heads are fine, legs are not?
past sphinx
Yeah
pine matrix
Cool!
past sphinx
Arms might be a bit off but nothing noticeable under the 4 foot rule
pine matrix
Wonderful
jaunty dawn
arms are fine
like primaris arms are mostly fine but heresy/chaos stuff is completely fine
backpacks are a little smaller but still work if you remove the peg on the body
the bodies are also the same size though that ofc requires some conversion work to mate together
pine matrix
Word, thank you!
jaunty dawn
old mk 3 marine bodies/legs you can get pretty close with a spacer in the waist
mk4 you need to extend the legs though
pine matrix
Gotcha gotcha
I'll probably finish the guys I already built and call them Inductii and cannibalise the rest
I want to do some world eaters, so the shorter fellas will be good to test the colour scheme on
pine matrix
I've just started reading the Valdor novel and I'm already enjoying seeing pre-crusade Imperium stuff
jaunty dawn
oh shit whaaat
solemn gull
Very useful
pastel rampart
I swear I've seen STLs and MDF versions of the same thing.
floral herald
Oh that's cool
bright dove
Are those bases with wound counts?!
bold halo
I've seen people build a socket into a model's base for dice to track wounds before but that's slick
mild glen
Genuinely hope these become a product. I will glue 25mm wound counter bases to my devilfish, do not tempt me.
Or just... like, regular 60mm bases for the devilfish, like they're supposed to have anyway, shut up
pine matrix
I was gonna say, cool as they are they look a little smooth, unless you glued to them the model would slide off
Could use a little rim to keep the base on
floral herald
Aren't these bases?
pastel rampart
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/15/sunday-preview-kill-team-hivestorm-drops-in/ It helps to link the article.
If you pre-order directly from Warhammer.com or make a purchase from a Warhammer store on or after the day of release, you will get a set of 12 bases with wound-counter dials (10 at 28mm, one at 25mm, and one at 40mm).
bold halo
ah kill team, no wonder the numbers go so high
pastel rampart
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5989908 100mm base sized one which would probably be very useful for some models.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5216136 This one seems more "resize as needed"
pine matrix
Ohhhh, I did read "base" in the article but seeing with the baggie I was like "oh, you put the bases in the bag?"
uneven ember
(Aeronatica Imperialis did the counter bases first 😔 )
pulsar cairn
sometimes i thihk of a space marine falling down some stairs and i chuckle
bold halo
pulsar cairn
they probably wont break anything from that right? i can laugh without sounding too mean?
bold halo
this is canon
pulsar cairn
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8753o3/book_excerpt_master_of_sanctity...
AAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
bold halo
it's better than you think
pulsar cairn
even the space marines found it funny
bold halo
loud crunching and crashing noises and all you hear over comms is PISS
junior summit
they probably wont break anything from that right? i can laugh without sounding ...
they'll be fine but it is funny
floral herald
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8753o3/book_excerpt_master_of_sanctity...
I love how careful they are all to never say "fall" or "fallen"
pastel rampart
Never know when Dark Angels might be listening.
pastel rampart
Exactly.
"Brother I have fallen down--"
"Fallen? Are they here?! Wait are YOU a Fallen?!?!?!"
"My brother in Emperor just pull me out of this damn hole."
plucky token
even a Dark Angel never knows when the Dark Angels might be listening. they could be anywhere...
bold halo
get ready to blend together all your grossest colours
floral herald
Yeah I need to look up some paint jobs for inspiration
I'm thinking of getting some grossly fluorescent paints to make their colors pop
pastel rampart
Do what I plan to do and paint'em up like 80s/90s action figures.
Like something you'd see in the TMNT cartoon or the Toxic Avengers cartoon. Just wild-ass eye-bleeding fluo colors.
past sphinx
i have made the painful realization that running anything short of max squads on warp talons or chosen is a waste
hell running less than max for most things seems a waste
floral herald
I think Chosen work ok as MSU
Warp talons yeah I agree they need weight of attacks
rocky shale
Msu Chosen with lords in rhinos was carrying csm win rates for a while
floral herald
Chosen are still mildly carrying CSM they’re just super good for their points
rocky shale
Chaos lords giving free strats makes the msu version nasty
uneven ember
Randomly annoyed that non-Grimaldus BT Chaplains can't get cenobyte servitors anymore
granite basin
i got to play my very first de facto 40k game using someone else's necrons on loan, and i got my shit kicked in pretty thoroughly lmao. at least it's a crusade and it's largely just for fun, but still. felt the need to put it here-
floral herald
Yeah your first few games are always rough because you get hit by a mountain of unknown unknowns
granite basin
and also as it turns out 4 tanks can fuck ur shit up, who'd've thunk it lol
floral herald
What were you playing vs?
granite basin
imperial guard
granite basin
iirc it was a chimera, a rogal dorn, a leman russ (?) and the fourth one escapes me. also bullgryns, scions and a whole bunch of guardsmen holed up in the chimera
my opponent was a gracious enough guy who was fine w me walking things back on account of me not knowing shit, and would explain every step meticulously, but he still ground me into paste.
i got his scions at least.
literally Only the scions lmao
tardy vault
iirc it was a chimera, a rogal dorn, a leman russ (?) and the fourth one escapes...
what did the fourth one look like?
granite basin
iii think it might've been only three tanks actually
tardy vault
I mean, for a second there with a 4th type of tank involved I was worried there was a Baneblade involved lol
Which probably isn't meta but I can't imagine having to deal with a super heavy tank is particularly easy as a new player
mental birch
iirc it was a chimera, a rogal dorn, a leman russ (?) and the fourth one escapes...
Fuckign what
granite basin
it was a massacre. but i did learn some things-
i wasn't expecting to win my first game and it's not really that big of a deal. even if i still get mulched i'll learn smth new
wild fog
I do think that while the new game with its myrid secondary and primary objectives and win cons is a better game it's harder to onramp new players. There is just so much info to them for juggle
Like there's a reason when I intro people I stick to like 3 strats and limit secondaries to more illustrate the point
rocky shale
Shroud runners are such a pain to paint wow
2 guys on one bike each with their own cloak
Basically mandatory for subassembly, but one of the 2 guys cant be slid on or off without breaking one of his legs off
marsh haven
paper bluff
The way necrons take out tanks is many many many many gauss shots, a c'tan, or big weapons
paper bluff
i wasn't expecting to win my first game and it's not really that big of a deal. ...
You were rolling your Reanimation protocols before each command phase on everything?
paper bluff
it was a massacre. but i did learn some things-
What all was the list you were playing?
granite basin
For or against?
pulsar cairn
i think guilliman would look good with a beard
paper bluff
For or against?
What necron units did you have? If you don't know names that's okay! I've been collecting them for 10 years so I know them well lol
I can work with descriptions
spice flicker
pine matrix
Was it inevitable that the Imperium would collapse due to bureaucracy or is the bad book keeping because of the heresy
I guess it didn't help
spice flicker
You try managing an empire consisting of hundreds if not thousands of worlds and keep the paperwork in order.
pine matrix
Emperor building the Webway project: "This is gonna make audits so much fucking easier"
spice flicker
No more paperwork lost in warp transit.
paper bluff
Was it inevitable that the Imperium would collapse due to bureaucracy or is the ...
Also remember that astropathic messages are basically sent in dream format
past sphinx
You try managing an empire consisting of hundreds if not thousands of worlds and...
Hundreds of thousands
pine matrix
Trying to send an update on crop yields in dream space sounds like a nightmare
past sphinx
Thr tau became a galactic superpower via paperwork error
spice flicker
Sometime inthe next 38000 years the power of email and all improvements ok it will be lost.
pine matrix
The Emperor must have canonically had to send an email
Opening an attachment sent by the Emperor and getting blasted by psychic force
Is Malcador as old as Emps or was he born later?
floral herald
It’s a million worlds haha they say it so often
paper bluff
Thr tau became a galactic superpower via paperwork error
That is really stretching the word galactic
bright dove
The Imperium loses planets by virtue of just forgetting they exist and losing paperwork all the time.
past sphinx
They've got a few spheres of expansion and defeated the imperium at the gulf
bright dove
And then going "Oh hey, we found old tax paperwork, maybe we should check in."
paper bluff
Is Malcador as old as Emps or was he born later?
It's guessed malcador is younger if you follow the "the emperor several psychic shamans in a trenchcoat" theory. He used to be apart of an order called "the sigilites" but they got down to just one remaining
past sphinx
Getting nerfed by authors over the long run is really their problem
(Because they know their rad as fuck)
floral herald
They are sort of geographically limited for full on “galactic power” status but GW has sort of ignored this before
pine matrix
It's guessed malcador is younger if you follow the "the emperor several psychic ...
Fair, just trying to conceive if Malc and Emps could have canonically emailed each other, or if Emps had to explain what emails used to be to him
paper bluff
Would messages sent via the noosphere be an email?
paper bluff
Getting nerfed by authors over the long run is really their problem
I await the inevitable robot rebellion plot in the Tau spheres
pine matrix
I think so? They're messages in data form, right?
paper bluff
I think so? They're messages in data form, right?
Yep
pulsar cairn
bless the machine
pastel rampart
Twitter
thin ibex
its amazing how significant the galaxy terra is in is on a universal scale
and the suggestion that everything outside of the galaxy is just orks and nids
the whole fate of the entire universe is all decided in that one galaxy
the entire war in heaven? That one galaxy
Necron civilization at its very height? That one galaxy
pine matrix
To be fair, it's a bit Pale Blue Dot. Maybe the chaos gods don't even exist outside the Milky way
If you go far enough beyond the rim, could you outrun the warp?
paper bluff
I like to imagine an idiocracy situation where it's only a problem in one place and that the rest of the setting has it's shit sorted
pine matrix
In Andromeda everyone is chilling
thin ibex
also the ol "our ability to travel through a different, hell like dimension; where all souls go in death; is insufficient to cross to other galaxies
Our inertia-less drives and mastery of space time physics were not enough to actually reach other galaxies; instead we turned around after meeting nids in the space between
paper bluff
I'd bet there some DAoT humans out there also
pine matrix
The warp is a reflection of the souls of mortal creatures right? If there's no mortal creatures out of the galaxy, there'd be no warp, surely?
paper bluff
The immaterium as a realm exists out there
Cause that's just a dimension parallel to our own
Jut has different rules in there
pine matrix
That's fair. There's a webcomic called Unsounded which has a kind of warp-alike called the Khert, but it's explicitly bound to the continent the story takes place on, the author has said canonically humans die if they sail too far out cause they lose connection to it, so I was thinking of the warp in that kind of way
But I guess the Tyranids use the warp, and they're extra-galactic
I think it'd be fun if Chaos was entirely a galactic local phenomenon
Maybe someone from Andromeda's soul wouldn't even work the same
thin ibex
I'm reasonably sure that necron tech is more advanced that daot, much less Eldar tech at its absolute height
thin ibex
Just orks and nids, everything is fighting or eating
past sphinx
Loads and loads of orks
thin ibex
We know nids are out there because the silent king turned his ship around because of them
And iirc also warned sanguinius about them
thin ibex
Yeah! Though it's also been suggested that they came from the other galaxies they've already finished eating
And the astronomicon is like a intergalactic dinner bell for them
past sphinx
Intergalactic porch light
pine matrix
That iron warrior blew up the Pharos device and the nids started putting big comedy bibs on
All of them have "Shrimpin' Ain't Easy" on them
thin ibex
yall heard the endless taverns chaos god songs?
spice flicker
General purpose Dominion squads: flamers vs meltaguns?
onyx elm
This was going to be the inciting incident for a lot of my Wrath & Glory quests.
thin ibex
General purpose Dominion squads: flamers vs meltaguns?
imo melta guns, so that they have a bit of punch along with general purpose firepwoer; but then again flamers are guaranteed hits
and that skips an entire roll
thin ibex
this will be random, but I strongly identify the song with In the Summertime by Mungo Jerry with Ogryns
paper bluff
They're just so British geezer
They get shown the horrors on the universe but don't understand and that works out very well for them
paper bluff
I'm very interested
thin ibex
ultimate unga bunga is BT vs Khorne vs Orks
paper bluff
You know what would be fun to see. The due to being near that black templars, the noble part of khorne showing through
upper canopy
Twitter
paper bluff
pulsar cairn
hehe
south axle
What if Tau Miku?
finite compass
pulsar cairn
wild fog
You try managing an empire consisting of hundreds if not thousands of worlds and...
With computers that barely function and an IT department that believes all machines have ghosts in them that make them work
cinder wraith
uneven ember
niiiice
ebon forge
Do the Iron Hands worship the Omnissiah too, or just like the argumentations of the Mechanicus ?
uneven ember
IDK that the IW really do "worship" in the typical sense
paper bluff
Do the Iron Hands worship the Omnissiah too, or just like the argumentations of ...
Ish but not really. There is an off shoot of them that are closer to them
But there's nothing like the mintoaurs for the mechanicus that I can recall off hand
It's more like.... the IH and the mechanicus think the flesh is weak
uneven ember
There's, uh
Shit what's that super-admek Sallies successor
granite basin
What necron units did you have? If you don't know names that's okay! I've been c...
Sorry it took me so long, I just got off work.
But off the top of my head, here's my units list I used yesterday:
- 20 Necron Warriors
- 1 Plasmancer
- 1 Royal Warden
- 1 Overlord
- 1 Skorpekh Lord
- 1 Lokhust Lord
- 3 or 4 Skorpekh Destroyers
- 3 Lokhust Heavy Destroyers
- and like 10-12 Lychguard
The numbers aren't exact but I used the default amount of guys for each so whatever those were
past sphinx
solemn gull
Idk I think all of the downsides with none of the cool parts is pretty badass
Iron warriors are on hard mode
paper bluff
Sorry it took me so long, I just got off work.
But off the top of my head, her...
🤔 I've not seen skorpekh destroyers used and lychgaurd are kinda niche but decent. That's for sure an army that wants to cut down a bunch of guys and that's hard to do with necrons vs. Tanks
paper bluff
Iron warriors are on hard mode
They're the 40k chorfs
tardy vault
Painted our first Witch Aelf!
Probably should drop a little black in the mouth
Then just need some white to finish up the face
runic swallow
Iron warriors are on hard mode
And overall doing better than everyone else, IW stay winning
Seriously one of the few unambiguous wins the CSM have is the Iron Cage
pastel rampart
tardy vault
Painted our first Witch Aelf!
As you can probably tell our brush control is all sorts of scuffed
but I like how it turned out
Black Legion is a god send for black leather.
And white primer plus Reikland Fleshshade is super easy for a skin tone
untold swallow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1285295430976147669/Sc...
agreed, except for the wrist-mounted ones
Those are crimes
especially mag-fed ones
thin ibex
🤔 I've not seen skorpekh destroyers used and lychgaurd are kinda niche but dece...
honestly i was under the impression that lychguard were a common take as bodyguards for a overlords
spice flicker
Can confirm 10 lychguard with shields are terrifying, especially in that Detachment that gives buffs if a character is attached.
thin ibex
shield lychguard are dummy thicc
spice flicker
Left a pair of hellhounds within 12 inches accidentally and watched in horror at the LG managed to get the double charge and nearly wipe them out in a turn
thin ibex
im not sold on polearm lychguard even though i think they look cooler
mostly cause
the invuln is so good
spice flicker
Agreed
pulsar cairn
btw
what's with chaos and wearing skin
why
you can be evil without being gross
not talking to you nurgle
bright dove
Night Lords made it fashionable
pulsar cairn
Weirdos all of them 
not to say loyalists aint weird
they are also very weird but in a different way
desert jay
Night Lords do it to be scarier, Slaanesh followers do it for literal fashion/artistic reasons, Khornites are showing off their kills
weary dragon
What do the Drukhari do it for?
jaunty dawn
they just believe in recycling
pine matrix
For the love of the game
paper bluff
What do the Drukhari do it for?
Arts and crafts
pastel rampart
For Dark Eldar there's a non-zero chance that the stretched face on their armor is still alive.
desert jay
Yeah they're literally empowered by the pain and suffering of their victims
wintry mist
Iirc its about not dying so slaanesh doesn't eat their soul
They love doing it, but are motivated by not being eaten by slaanesh even more
You would think "not dying" and "constantly getting into fights with every single fucking species in the galaxy" would contradict each other
jaunty dawn
tbf they mainly get in fights with unprotected humans
if they're still around when the heat shows up they just got greedy
pulsar cairn
Night Lords do it to be scarier, Slaanesh followers do it for literal fashion/ar...
what about fabulous Bill? he's not really slaneshi in the way the other emperor's children are 
and he wears a flesh coat
jaunty dawn
I think he was lowkey like that even before the heresy
bright dove
if they're still around when the heat shows up they just got greedy
Or played by a rival.
solemn gull
And overall doing better than everyone else, IW stay winning
I think it’s because they aren’t putting up with the bullshit stagnation on tech and industry
bright dove
Iron Warriors are here to be the cutting edge of daemonic engineering. 😛
solemn gull
so he was always kind of crazy
Also yeah when he learned he had the space cancer he swapped his health report with another healthy marine to dodge the culling.
bright dove
I miss when the IW had Basilisks
pulsar cairn
what's a culling?
uneven ember
Seriously one of the few unambiguous wins the CSM have is the Iron Cage
Counterpoint: Dorn totally meant to do that it wasn't a pointless waste of lives it was a crucible that whittled away the Fists too impetuous and prideful to endure the breaking of the Legion there definitely wasn't enough of the impetuous prideful ones left to give Siggy a whole Chapter of them
finite compass
Counterpoint: Dorn totally meant to do that it wasn't a pointless waste of lives...
Counter-Counterpoint: That's boring. Give the poster-boys an actual loss for once.
unreal cosmos
I have WH+ and got alerted the kasrkin mini is available for order today but even though I'm signed in I can't seem to order it, any advice?
Idk if it's just a bug that will get sorted out or a step I'm missing
(or my script blocker causing problems)
Oh nvm I did just have to wait lol
uneven ember
Counter-Counterpoint: That's boring. Give the poster-boys an actual loss for on...
It's pretty easy to read as a big IF cope but the "I meant to do that" version did come out within a couple months of the original Iron Cage story
uneven ember
You would think "not dying" and "constantly getting into fights with every singl...
& I would just say, here, three things
- permanent death does mean getting your soul snacked on by She Who Thirsts but death for DEldar is serious but treatable as long as one of your "friends" can get you on a Haemuncilus' slab
- especially factoring in the above, getting shot at by a Space Marine is probably less dangerous than letting your friends see you looking like enough of a punk that you give up on a raid the moment you hit some friction
- a DEldar who was actually able to make good decisions that went against their ego would decide on a change of career, the bedrock of every DEldar's worldview is "RIP to my ancestors, their gods, and the greatest civilization in the history of the galaxy but I'm built different"
thin ibex
I do feel like a deldar usually feels no strong need to prove anything to a space marine
upper canopy
Counter counter point that it makes sense that Perturabo beat Dorn at Terra and at the Iron Cage
mild glen
To a space marine? No. To Frank From Across The Street? Absolutely.
thin ibex
If space marine Joe calls you a punk for running, it ain't no thing. If frank calls you a punk for not killing the space marine, that's something else entirely
wild fog
The story works better if Dorn just got baited.
The Siege broke Dorn, said to be implacable so badly he takes Perturabo's bait and ends up in the same thought prison Perty is in, needing to prove how much better you are--and he's more experienced at that headspace so he's beaten badly at it.
And for Perturabo its just -- congratulations. You proved how much smarter you are being defeating the hollow shell of your brother. I hope the victory comforts you in the actual hell you are stuck in now.
runic swallow
I mean that’s honestly the only reading, dude bit the bait and did not let go
wild fog
Yeah I just like that more then the "Dorn was making a point!"
floral herald
I’m curious how the Iron Cage incident will relate to Dorn’s Very Bad No Fun Adventure during the siege of terra
runic swallow
Cue Imperial Fists making ramparts out of their own dudes due to lack of cover
floral herald
I’m curious how the Iron Cage incident will relate to Dorn’s Very Bad No Fun Adv...
It’s very easy to imagine Dorn being entirely broken by the events of the Scouring
runic swallow
Like, sure, there’s a patently transparent “oh I meant to stick my hand in a blender” explanation, but it’s so clear that Dorn got baited and ripped apart in miles of pre-sighted kill-zones
pastel rampart
I’m curious how the Iron Cage incident will relate to Dorn’s Very Bad No Fun Adv...
Probably informs his attitude a lot and what leads directly to the Iron Cage incident. Dude felt he needed a win to get back in the game and just fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
wild fog
I'm also weird that I kind of like the imperial fists more than ultramarines even if their color scheme was designed to make painting the most unpleasant experience it can be
past sphinx
imagine if you thought you where the hottest shit and got the build the fucking palace of a million worlds and then the second fiddle no honors, no medals no bitches space hammer 50k player rocked up and blasted through your invincible fortress the size of a continent in under a year
he speed ran leningrad on your ass
you have to out do that mfer
upper canopy
I also like the Imperial Fists because they are seemingly the only first founding chapter allowed to fuck up
upper canopy
Oh sorry let me clarify
First Founding Chapters (that matter to GW) allowed to fuck up
upper canopy
Like every Ultramarine and Blood Angel and Dark Angel and Space Wolf story is like
the exact same
The Imperial Fists meanwhile have "oh fuck we literally all died. all of us. every one."
thin ibex
my commitment to taking space wolf stories as if they were being told in a feasting hall by a space wolf does me a lot of good
with how hyperbolic they often feel
"And then logan beat a million bloodthirsters by himself"
past sphinx
the trickster having a statis bomb instead of a second heart is up there
deredo just needs some decals and hes gonna be done
thin ibex
Hmm what kind of tactic would the exorcists use? I imagine flamers would be popular?
They're apparently very scout heavy
marsh haven
Exorcists would probably use whatever works best against daemons
floral herald
I think they have more librarians than normal
Or I imagine it at least
Cause possession can waken latent psychic powers
runic swallow
I'm also weird that I kind of like the imperial fists more than ultramarines eve...
Pro tip, prime em brown and it goes on pretty damn well
thin ibex
Makes me wonder if I should have gone 1st company detach instead and try to play around with the battleshock interaction
Cause thematically is cool to banish demons with battleshock
tardy vault
Nearly bought krethusa the croneseer both because she's a great unit and also she's a really cool model
Well, bought her combo box
Because any Krethusa list is going to be running everything in that box lol
untold swallow
'tis I, once again complaining about grey knight wrist bolters and their lack of witchfire
pulsar cairn
What was the battle after the heresy where the iron warriors basically killed a fuck ton of Imperial fists?
valid brook
Iron Cage
pulsar cairn
cool
paper bluff
They're apparently very scout heavy
Given that to become a fully battle brother you have to get possessed and from your own force of will need to expell the daemon. I'm more than sure you need a large scout core
jaunty dawn
that's the reason ye
paper bluff
I do wonder about their librarians...
Wait, have they and the grey knights interacted?
south axle
Somebody needs a helping hand it seems
past sphinx
past sphinx
Fäthur i wish to ķįłł
spice flicker
Calling it now, some kind of nighthaunt
jaunty dawn
could beee
junior robin
or its for the emperor's ooze
upper bluff
Emperor's Ooze primaris Liuetenant
Or even better Ivan Ooze in 40k the long awaited Mighty Morphin Power Rangers 40k cross over
mental birch
The Brady Bunch Movieeeeeee
junior robin
am I remembering things wrong or is there a csm warband thats basically TS but with weird ooze? 🤔 (colour was beige with silver borders and dark brown ooze if I remeber right)
mental birch
My brain did a wander to his monologue
untold swallow
Wait, have they and the grey knights interacted?
iirc we wouldn't know as I think anyone who sees the GKs needs to die to preserve the Knights' secrecy
paper bluff
I think since the space wolves they don't do it to fellow astartes. Also the giant view into the warp that exists now. Kinda impossible to hide chaos now
thin ibex
i just saw a video, apparently mordianglory took 3 deathstrikes to a tourney and went undefeated?
oh video is not new
still cool
deathstrikes are generally not something id consider to be competetive
mental birch
i just saw a video, apparently mordianglory took 3 deathstrikes to a tourney and...
I think the best his meta has are netlisters who kinda understand their lists
thin ibex
might be so, yeah, but also a wins a win xD
deathstrikes get no love for a reason obv, BUT its cool to see them make a showing
storm schooner
it's the lady in the lake
upper bluff
don't say that because now I'm imagining a Flesh Eater Courts Lady of the Lake
Just like a named flesh eater lord with an excaliburesque sword from a ghoul in a lake
still warren
we are missing a ZE LADY equivilent and that would work great with the fec style
tardy vault
Painted most of the rest
Need to do the standard bearers and musicians but don't have the right paint.
solemn gull
don't say that because now I'm imagining a Flesh Eater Courts Lady of the Lake
lmao just a ghoul in a puddle that is throwing swords at anyone who comes near
paper bluff
There's a fun home brew. Brettonian flesh eater court
crisp lance
for some reason i just remembered that the emporer wasnt white
dude was middle eastern or whatever
floral herald
Yeah he’s Anatolian
pulsar cairn
he's also real tall
and shiny
did they ever explain that?
or he's shiny just because
solemn gull
Psychic shit
past sphinx
hes a creation of the dark age of technology
an attempt to create the perfect human
or the spawn of a mass suicide
pastel rampart
He's been around well before the DAoT.
past sphinx
only if you believe him
and i only trust dreams and visions of portent
i dont even believe the heresy happened
wild fog
Siege of Terra posits the gold is just as much a show of power and prestige. Literally "gold is what people expect to project his image so he overdoes it"
Malcador is musing it about the golden throne I believe
uneven ember
Agree to disagree on whether one can "overdo it" when the message is "I am the absolute and unquestionable master of all mankind"
wild fog
Look there is a fine line between "behold my majesty" and "Why does the seat of mankind look like the inside of a cheesecake factory?"
uneven ember
Easing up on the jokes for a sec I do think it's interesting how "tasteful" is, as a concept, really culturally specific
The difference between "real class means a simple sporting outfit made from the best materials and cut" vs "real class means my outfit has layers showing so I can show off how many different fancy cloths I'm wearing at any time"
pastel rampart
Quick someone get Menswearguy to do a thread on the Emperor.
uneven ember
I think he would acknowledge that Big E does, at least, have an aesthetic and a message behind his sartorial choices
pastel rampart
Twitter
turbid sonnet
they should make genestealer cults easier to paint so i can play them
new lore; all genestealer cult members turn a solid shade of blue, evne their clothes
finite compass
runic swallow
Quick someone get Menswearguy to do a thread on the Emperor.
It’s so funny that his actual name sounds like something someone would make up, it’s Derek Guy
pastel rampart
Oh for sure.
pastel rampart
they should make genestealer cults easier to paint so i can play them
I've kinda wanted to paint their armor like the HEV suit from half-life.
thin ibex
the dumber answer is lowering your standards
turbid sonnet
I've kinda wanted to paint their armor like the HEV suit from half-life.
i've decided that if i ever get into 40k tabletop i'd start with tyranids (Expensive as a swarm army, but i love the nids to absolute bits and they're not too hard to paint) and they rub right up against the cults whom i also adore
i don't have any codices so i dont know specific mechanics but i know genestealer cults are about wacky ambush shit
floral herald
fwiw there are... ways to get the rules online for free if you want to peruse them
tardy vault
i've decided that if i ever get into 40k tabletop i'd start with tyranids (Expen...
Nids are in the starter box this edition so they're probably not that bad
runic swallow
Also Nidzilla is an option, as is eBay
turbid sonnet
fwiw there are... ways to get the rules online for free if you want to peruse th...
i probably will because. uh. 60 dollars for a codex is crazy
like i can stand paying for the plastic
but cmon now gw
floral herald
Codexes are really luxury items for lore and cool pictures - the rules are usually out of date by the time they're printed now
tardy vault
Also Nidzilla is an option, as is eBay
Ebay is especially huge for a start box army. Lots of marine players trying to sell the other half of the box for CHEAP
turbid sonnet
Codexes are really luxury items for lore and cool pictures - the rules are usual...
really?? i thought that's where you get the rules from
like the new 10th edition stuff
i know that imperial knights and militarum and some others are still waiting for new rules or some shit are't they
tardy vault
can I drop a link to the rules site everyone uses?
floral herald
Go ahead and do it in DMs
It's technically against discord TOS
Though I doubt anyone cares
turbid sonnet
i would be very grateful for this resource
floral herald
really?? i thought that's where you get the rules from
Not complete but legally here https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/
It's got the unit cards and points costs and basic rules
tardy vault
but yeah, that site is all the rules and is generally up to date
GW should just have free rules and sell the codexes as cool art books
Their money is in the plastic
and online rules means that can change shit
turbid sonnet
yeah agreed
most of my warhammer tabletop info comes from poorhammer and they talk about that a fair amount
rules costing money is evil
tardy vault
I made sense once upon a time 30 years ago
It is the 2020s however
post your rules online or people will just go and find them
turbid sonnet
as much as i also want to play necrons they seem a little. TOO easy to paint, if that makes sense
i want my first army to be something that requires at least a tiny bit of tact to paint
runic swallow
You can do some neat stuff with necrons if you paint different sections differently
Like, arms different than chest
tardy vault
while there is definitely a floor for how easy and army is to paint, there's no upper limit for how hard
Like, if you decide to start doing chips and rust and wear where the joints are
turbid sonnet
can necrons even rust
tardy vault
They can if you want them to
turbid sonnet
(i understand your point though)
turbid sonnet
it would
actually wait
flayed ones could have rust
just leftover blood
god necrons are so cool i cannot wait for mechanicus 2
runic swallow
Honestly if you think it’s cool, then yeah, your tomb world got the fucky necrodermis
paper bluff
There is a very specific exception to this well an enlightened dark eldar drug addict (he had no dreams or ambitions other than more of the drug) and slaanesh spit him back out
runic swallow
(They get mocked at the Necron get together, it’s very rude)
turbid sonnet
the ther thing about necrons is that no matter how much i adore them (which is quite a lot) they don't have units with funky crab claws
at least not since i last checked
floral herald
There's like porcelain necrons with blue energy in the cracks you can just do what you want
floral herald
There is a very specific exception to this well an enlightened dark eldar drug a...
Wow maybe actually too (free)based
paper bluff
Oh also to the point of rule books and such, there's the battle scribe app, it also tells you army rules
floral herald
I honestly usually find it easier to do army lists in a text editor
But that might just be me
turbid sonnet
i just found out about the genestealer cults kelermorph this might be my favorite model in the entirety of games workshop (even dethroning the tied first place of alpharius and shard of the void dragon)
paper bluff
Like, making crab claws
Well now I'm wondering how rogue trader era flayed ones would look and I really wish I could remember who made that rogue trader style cryptek
turbid sonnet
it's just a fucking cowboy with three guns
runic swallow
Yeah, he’s a cowboy on a dirt bike
runic swallow
Well now I'm wondering how rogue trader era flayed ones would look and I really ...
Uh, they were later, the original necrons were kinda Cylon-looking death robots, they only became a thing in 3rd Ed?
finite compass
runic swallow
And the flayed ones were metal, then finecast for forever
Nah there was an older death robot
turbid sonnet
aren't the ratlings still metal
runic swallow
Or maybe that was it, but I swear there was one with a more cone shaped head
turbid sonnet
doesn't dark angels still have a metal model, actually?
and it's like a really important dude?
tardy vault
Someone watched the new Poorhammer episode
tardy vault
I mean, they got me into buying Daughters of Khaine
paper bluff
Yeah that style
tardy vault
I really want them to do some AoS content because I don't think they realize some of the BS in DoK
You wanna talk small range
DoK has 4 non character kits.
turbid sonnet
good lird
tardy vault
Sorry, 5
turbid sonnet
tardy vault
Witch Aelves/Sisters of Slaughter (which then have two varients each)
Bat Elves ranged/melee
Bow snakes/spear snakes
Teleporting dudes
Horse Wizards
paper bluff
Jokes aside, old world has new metal models
turbid sonnet
i dont know anything about fantasy outside of vermintide so i don't really understand what age of sigmar is
did the world somehow not end
and sigmar came back
paper bluff
This model
tardy vault
And, like, you either do Snake spam with Morathi or Aelf spam with Krethusa and a Cauldron.
paper bluff
Weeeeeeellll
verbal ermine
turbid sonnet
yeah that's why i'm confused because i know it turbo ended
and yet sigmar is prancing about with proto medieval space marines
paper bluff
And Sigmar made a new one
Sigmar and some other gods made the new world from the fundament of the old world
tardy vault
There were survivors
turbid sonnet
but the skaven are still around so that makes me happy
paper bluff
There were survivors
Gortek being onf of the most direct
runic swallow
They got saved and the world reformed into different places out of the world soup after the end times
tardy vault
Including a few that everyone else wished had died (hi Morathi!)
runic swallow
Kinda a eternal recurrence thing
finite compass
A VERY BADLY WRITTEN three-part book, mind
runic swallow
Except now it’s worlds of metal album covers and not earth with the serial numbers filed off
turbid sonnet
very badly written books? in games workshop lore??? who could have imagined
finite compass
Yeah,but you'd think killing off a 35-year old franchise would have them put actual effort into it
runic swallow
Wait were necrons around in 1e?
turbid sonnet
Yeah,but you'd think killing off a 35-year old franchise would have them put act...
gw seems to have problems with the whole "effort" thing
finite compass
I don't think so?
paper bluff
Point is there's kinda a galactus rule if you survived the end times (juiced with cosmic power)
turbid sonnet
and commitment
paper bluff
Wait were necrons around in 1e?
Ish. The style of the chaos android was adapted to the necrons
runic swallow
Thaaaaats what I was thinking of
turbid sonnet
wow genestealer cults have some fucky rules this faction rocks
tardy vault
Witch Aelves/Sisters of Slaughter (which then have two varients each)
Bat Elves ...
oh, side note: you can only really run half of these plus Doomfire Warlocks in any list because DoK is a buff stacking army but the buffs can only apply to either Aelf or Snakes but rarely both. This also means that if you play Snakes fitting a priest in is very difficult because there are only two snake characters: the Ironscale who is just a fragile melee buff bot and Morathi who is a wizard
turbid sonnet
imagining GC against any non imperium faction is really funny though
runic swallow
wow genestealer cults have some fucky rules this faction rocks
Do they still have the sensor blip deployment?
I love blip or unknown deployment
turbid sonnet
i didnt look at everythinng in detail mostly just detachment rules + enhancements
brood brother auxilia is fucking
hilarious
runic swallow
Adds a lot to a game when the attacker doesn’t know where the attacker is hiding until the open up on you, speaking on wargames more broadly
Had a great multiplayer game of a WWII game where I was one of three commanders attacking a town but the three enemy players had hidden deployments and off board reserves, really forced us to plan and then adapt on the fly
turbid sonnet
i wonder if orks or tyranids will be the endgame of 40k
runic swallow
Orks are like, local fauna, they’re kinda endemic and part of the galactic ecosystem
Tyranids are the real issue
uneven ember
This was the Lord back when, the other one was the Warrior, the only other models they had were Destroyers (Fast Attack) Immortals (Elites) and Scarabs, which weren't swarms they exploded themselves on your vehicles
Destroyers were just dudes in hover bikes and if they got killed they could join Warrior squads (the bike's wrecked but the rider comes back)
The rules were only in the one issue of White Dwarf which was how we got rules updates back then
wild fog
Hey kids end times here. You know fan favorite character Malus Darkblade? He dies offscreen unceremoniously
turbid sonnet
yeah im talking about logic i don't care how endless the daemons are or how strong the big 4 are. i don't see them beating the green tide or the devouring swarm in a long war of attrition
even though, yes, chaos are the "main villains" of 40k (BORING)
wild fog
Malekith gets redeemed! No we will not answer for his many, MANY crimes
turbid sonnet
Orks are like, local fauna, they’re kinda endemic and part of the galactic ecosy...
this is really funny considering ork origin lore
orks are the original invasive species
they've just been around since forever
runic swallow
This was the Lord back when, the other one was the Warrior, the only other model...
And with a rule that if you lost a certain percentage of your army your whole army just teleported out
turbid sonnet
well, okay, maybe "invasive" isn't as accurate as "lab-grown"
genetically modified fungus bastards
runic swallow
And the name of the reanimation protocol was originally “we’ll be back”
wild fog
And with a rule that if you lost a certain percentage of your army your whole ar...
Which did not stop people from rolling in with a C'tan and double monoliths and just being a complete nightmare to fight
uneven ember
And the name of the reanimation protocol was originally “we’ll be back”
We used to be a proper country
runic swallow
orks are the original invasive species
Tbh after a certain point they just become part of the ecosystem
wild fog
Back when monoliths were nigh unkillable and C'tan killed pretty much anything stone dead
turbid sonnet
Tbh after a certain point they just become part of the ecosystem
exactly
runic swallow
Though, I wonder if there’s an official biologist stance on when an invasive species is just part of the ecosystem
turbid sonnet
orks are the old guard of "nightmare organism that is fucking everywhere and impossible to get rid of"
tyranids are the new kids on the block
i think ghaz could beat the shit out of a norn if he tried hard enough
finite compass
Malekith gets redeemed! No we will not answer for his many, MANY crimes
See, this? This is, no lie, my biggest fucking nerdrage point with the End Times. Because with like one paragraph you've just invalidated the entire background lore for three armies.
uneven ember
Which did not stop people from rolling in with a C'tan and double monoliths and ...
(the Clear Green Rods era)
turbid sonnet
don't the necron destroyers still ahve green rods
i think it's destroyers
the floaty centaur-tank dudes
runic swallow
Honestly I like the green rod and monolith crystal
wild fog
See, this? This is, no lie, my biggest fucking nerdrage point with the End Time...
It is WILD how dirty they did all the elf factions and somehow managed to also completely wreck Bretonnia as a rider
But yeah End Times is like a case study in how not to end a beloved franchise even if there are a few little nuggets of fun ("Settra does not serve!")
finite compass
Ogres didn't even get a mention
floral herald
Honestly I like the green rod and monolith crystal
Yeah those were fun design elements
finite compass
But yeah End Times is like a case study in how not to end a beloved franchise ev...
It didn't help that the first edition of AoS was...Eeeeeeeh...
turbid sonnet
i wonder when the imperial knights codex is gonna happen because tbh i'd buy that just for the artwork
i swear there was a gw roadmap with it but i cannot find it anywhere anymore
wild fog
"You get free rerolls if you have a mustache!"
floral herald
i wonder when the imperial knights codex is gonna happen because tbh i'd buy tha...
Probably spring or summer 2025
turbid sonnet
i've heard IK are a "bad faction" for learning 40k because they don't really play standard 40k but i don't care and they're also very very high on my list of factions i'd want to collect and play
because. big mech go kapow
wild fog
I made the mistake of buying into Chaos Knights and frankly after nearly a year and a half of not being able to find a single War dog...
Not making that mistake agaian.
turbid sonnet
Probably spring or summer 2025
i see
wild fog
The correct faction is always the one you vibe with.
floral herald
IK are definitely one of the weirder factions
wild fog
Weirdly synergistic giant robot faction
runic swallow
"You get free rerolls if you have a mustache!"
Sounds like someone lacks a tactical mustache
floral herald
I’m not a big believer in proper or improper introductory factions though
turbid sonnet
I made the mistake of buying into Chaos Knights and frankly after nearly a year ...
are there just none you can find that aren't at msrp
wild fog
They were out of stock in the US for nearly a year and a half.
wild fog
And it wasn't like... they'd make a few and sell immedietely.
GW just didn't restock them
turbid sonnet
chaos knights need more of their own identity a lot of their models are still kind of just, "what if iks had a few spikes and some different paint schemes"
except abominant that thing is BADASS
wild fog
The rumor they were a casualty of making a billion leviathan boxed sets, but for a while after they were still nigh impossible to actually find.
Abominant is real great! I'd love if he didn't suck.
floral herald
There were a lot of weird supply chain issues around then
runic swallow
Aw, the chaos knights are cool
turbid sonnet
again i know exactly 0 about 40k meta or even basic gameplay stuff aside from general keywords and stat stuff
floral herald
Knights are always weird balance wise
Since usually the big knights are sort of meh or really op
wild fog
I hadn't noticed a change though yeah, there's generally a few truisms 1). CK are generally worse than IK in balance and 2). They wildly swing between overpowered and underpowered
For a little while the correct 'meta' of CK was not to take any big boys at all because war dogs were so effecient
turbid sonnet
sadness
why is ck worse? do they just lack access to certain knight models which are just better?
or are their own unique ones just
lackluster
wild fog
Faction mechanics were weird and kludgy, less synergy than their IK cousins.
turbid sonnet
i see i see
wild fog
Dread as a mechanic was finicky and rarely did the thing you needed at the time you needed it.
Whereas the IK one could create really meaningful turns
I had a gap year between 9th and god--whatever edition that Knights were kind of another arm of Admech
so I'm not sure in between that
7th? I think I skipped 8.
turbid sonnet
knights were my first exposure to 40k and one of my younger exposures to mech shit in general so i have a very strong sentimentality towards them
because of that fuckin ipad freeblade game
wild fog
They are objectively rad.
thin ibex
I do think that the like... gap between ck and ik is much less noticeable in a casual setting
wild fog
Oh yeah,if you just take a few big robots it's fine.
tardy vault
That goes for most armies tbh
thin ibex
Definitely
tardy vault
Like, if major outliers will be felt
wild fog
(Although I did take 750 points of CK to an escalation league and that was not fun for any of my opponents, so casual can be real swingy in bad ways)
thin ibex
Comparing comp win rates is more like an indicator than an absolute
tardy vault
But if you're all in the 45-55 range you'll all have a good time
thin ibex
Knights of both flavors end up super swingy in casuals, they're kind of a "you must be this tall to ride" faction
floral herald
why is ck worse? do they just lack access to certain knight models which are jus...
At least in 10e - IK get tougher and have buffs for a faction rule CK have Battleshock interactions
turbid sonnet
yeah i'm never ever gonna be like. a competitive player
i doubt i'll ever be a GOOD player, or even someone who plays that often, unless i get lucky and live near somewhere with a gw store or some other hobby place that has tables
but i do want to play at least a little if i'm gonna buy these models, and i do intend to buy models and paint them and such because i like 40k
thin ibex
Because a lot of lower level firepower is almost meaningless to them
floral herald
And unless you’re playing CSM battleshock is very weak
wild fog
Personally, again--I think 40K is better played mid-core-to-casual, it's just more fun.
floral herald
The night lordsy CSM detachment can make it work
tardy vault
Knights of both flavors end up super swingy in casuals, they're kind of a "you ...
They're a stat check
Did you bring AT y/n?
thin ibex
Well, bs kinda works for nids cause they get it free
wild fog
The minute you get 'competitive' the flaws in the game systems and the very loosey-goosey nature of the game get real apparent real fast.
turbid sonnet
shadow in the warp type beat
thin ibex
"Oh this is a swing turn? Go ahead and all of you BS test"
You just can't rely on it I guess
But it can be dramatic
wild fog
But again, old-head who's favorite old 40k were like, doing the big narrative events at stores.
Big 10k armies with 20 players on each side rolling through scenarios.
I miss those so bad
floral herald
AIUI nids don’t lean on their bshock stuff that hard but it’s true that they have a bshock faction rule
But most of the battleshock detachments suck
thin ibex
You know what would be a fun 2v2 chaos combo? Csm dread talon and ck
turbid sonnet
my true hope with the IK codex is that they get a new model with a giant hammer
wild fog
I continue to say that turning Tyranids into like, a weird controlly faction is one of the stranger 10e choices.
turbid sonnet
You know what would be a fun 2v2 chaos combo? Csm dread talon and ck
night lord ck would look fucking sick
thin ibex
my true hope with the IK codex is that they get a new model with a giant hammer
THE warhammer mk40000
floral herald
I continue to say that turning Tyranids into like, a weird controlly faction is ...
It’s pretty on par I think, Nids generally get weird faction identities
thin ibex
It's criminal that the emperor had a Spear, a shield, a sword, but no hammer
wild fog
That's fair. and Nidzilla is still a thing.
floral herald
Since they don’t really… have a playstyle one beyond “no vehicles” and “generally good melee”
wild fog
It's gotta be hard trying to avoid overlapping them with Orcs just 'swarm army that gets into melee and shreds.'
turbid sonnet
didn't 10e nids not get any psychic anything
floral herald
They’re also less of a swarm
turbid sonnet
like no psychic detachment
floral herald
Lots of middleweight and heavyweight bugs
wild fog
TBF, psychic asa a unique thing isn't a thing anymore.
turbid sonnet
yeah that's true
but like
still
sucks
neurolictor is one of my favorite creatures
and fuckin
oh what's it called
psychophage?
wild fog
To be clear, the Neurolictor's still prettttttty good
turbid sonnet
good
floral herald
Nids psychic stuff is often not psychic in the rules
turbid sonnet
it's just weaponry and fuckery
floral herald
Like the Zoanthrope has just had a gun which happens to be psychic themed even in editions with a psychic phase
uneven ember
Lots of middleweight and heavyweight bugs
floral herald
A lot of their psychic powers are very workmanlike and reliable and not really psychic powers mechanically
turbid sonnet
it's just shit they ate and developed
i know that psychophage doesn't really do psychic shit insofar as it just shoots like
evil brain powder
wild fog
I continue to be annoyed that they created a wing Tyranid Alpha model
floral herald
IIRC it’s not even psychic it just eats psykers and weaponizes the ash
wild fog
and no winged tyranid warriors
floral herald
Beyond the basic “all nids are psychic”
wild fog
Nope he goes with Gargoyles.
turbid sonnet
evil powder made from brains rather
uneven ember
evil powder made from brains rather
"they sucked his brains out"
wild fog
Same with Neurotyrant. He clearly looks like an upgunned Zoanthrope. The trailer had him firing a withering psychic bolt. What's he doing in the game?
Well, he can group with Neurogaunts--which makes him objectively easier to kill and he gets like, a flamethrower? He's a glorified wifi extender. Weird choices.
turbid sonnet
neurotyrant is the most psychicy psychic lookin tyranid ever
giant fucking brain squid
why can't he do wackier shit
runic swallow
"*they sucked his brains out*"
God I love Michael Ironside
floral herald
why can't he do wackier shit
I mean, that’s pretty standard for Tyranid psychic stuff
wild fog
I just wanted to put him in a Zoanthrope squad
turbid sonnet
why can't they be funnier
floral herald
They don’t do a lot of weird gate of infinity/vortex stuff
wild fog
Especially since the Neurothrope's not really a thing anymore.
uneven ember
God I love Michael Ironside
He pulls that line off like few people could
runic swallow
They’re very funny, you just can’t hear the jokes they tell over synaptic link
thin ibex
Same with Neurotyrant. He clearly looks like an upgunned Zoanthrope. The trailer...
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they fix the primary issue with the neuro gaunt body guard? I forget
wild fog
Maybe? I haven't played Nids in a while or fought them meaningfully.
runic swallow
He pulls that line off like few people could
He’s also pretty good in a movie about killer mutant tardigrades
thin ibex
I do think nids not having 1 play style is very on brand for them tbh
wild fog
I don't even know the last time I've seen anyone field the tyrant or the neurogaunts honestly
turbid sonnet
I do think nids not having 1 play style is very on brand for them tbh
this is very true
thin ibex
Invasion fleet is pretty fun despite being the line default
turbid sonnet
tyranids are just ultramarines with chitin if you think about it
they do everything
thin ibex
Let's you respond to your opponent
floral herald
They can hang out with Neurogants, Tyrant Guard, and Zoans
floral herald
they do everything
I mean that’s kinda just true
wild fog
Yeah now they can pal around with Zoans and Tyrantguard, though the latter two are... I'm not sure why
thin ibex
I see a regular tyrant pretty often, for the free strat
turbid sonnet
I mean that’s kinda just true
it was a joke but it wasn't an untrue statement
floral herald
I think their only real deficiency is no access to good long ranged AT
wild fog
Yeah sorry I shouldn't have shortened that. Neurotyrant, not hive tyrants
I still see those boys
turbid sonnet
tyranids are the ultimate adaptor
they evolve nigh instantly
it stands to reason they should be versatile
runic swallow
Man, I’m kinda disappointed we didn’t get more nid variety in SM2
runic swallow
Oh?
thin ibex
Yeah
wild fog
Yeah it's on the roadmap
floral herald
Oh yeah the Rupture Cannon counts for sure
wild fog
New enemies both factions.
thin ibex
I'm betting we'll see Genestealers
turbid sonnet
praying for haruspex as another boss enemy and for tyrant/hive guard as extremis
floral herald
lol
turbid sonnet
i also hope they fucking nerf tzaangors
wild fog
(Please make shield Tzangors less annoying thank you)
thin ibex
A MVB boss operation would be sick
runic swallow
Neat, but a bit disappointing if they don’t go into the campaign
turbid sonnet
(Please make shield Tzangors less annoying thank you)
THEY SUCK SO BAD AND WHY DO THEY HAVE SO MUCH HEALTH
finite compass
Is it just me, or do Tzaangors just not get knocked back like Gaunts do?
wild fog
They don't.
runic swallow
They’re sturdier
thin ibex
lol
The coin flip of taking a toy away, aim for the one they clearly spent the most time painting xD
floral herald
(Please make shield Tzangors less annoying thank you)
I love how I play heavy and they’re just a non issue for me since heavy gets inexplicable melee privilege
turbid sonnet
they have more health, are generally more persistent, have full melee combos, and don't die or even stagger when you kill their major
chaos is just objectively harder to fight than tyranids
nightmare
finite compass
I finally did my first 3's and got a parry chainsword
wild fog
I tend to play Bulwark and Tactical and they're miserable for Tacs.
finite compass
And the game is suddenly much easier
runic swallow
Look, a heavy bolter is heavy, gives good knock back 
wild fog
Bulwark it's just "I sit here and wait to parry them."
thin ibex
I think the thing I want out of tzangors is just some sort of stun when you kill a rubicae
Nearby
turbid sonnet
i play sniper which was insanely annoying to deal with them but now that ive started grinding vanguard everything dies to melta equally fast
wild fog
The melta is literally broken right no w.
turbid sonnet
I think the thing I want out of tzangors is just some sort of stun when you kill...
yeah, SOMETHING for prioritizing big targets
wild fog
Just... keep that in mind.
finite compass
I will, however always love the Tzaangor counter that's just your character punting it for a field goal.
thin ibex
Or hell, mechanically flip it, make it so killing tzangors weakens the rubrics
turbid sonnet
The melta is literally broken right no w.
even without the infinite health regen glitch it's far and away vanguard's best option because it's literally a shotgun for the class with the melee focus/grapple hook
thin ibex
Focus the Lil uns mechanics
wild fog
Yeah I know, it's actually one of my frustration with the game.
At high levels melta is objectively the right choice for 3 classes even before the bug
and that's... very boring.
turbid sonnet
i dont know a lot about space marine specific lore because they bore me but do they have a shotgun bolter
i doubt it, knowing what i know about bolters
but do they
thin ibex
Oh on the subject of nids, cyan, no love for the ol hive guard xD?
floral herald
MM is so strong period
floral herald
Oh on the subject of nids, cyan, no love for the ol hive guard xD?
I don’t follow?
thin ibex
For good AT
turbid sonnet
i like running double plasma on heavy. i like blue :)
wild fog
I'm hard pressed to name a situation where using MM isn't the right choice for Heavy
bright dove
At high levels melta is objectively the right choice for 3 classes even before t...
Embrace the lesson of Jurgen
floral herald
Oh no I was talking about long ranged AT
turbid sonnet
heavy should have the flamer from the campaign so i can have a lore accurate salamander cosplay and not have to make my heavy an imperial fist
floral herald
They have a fair amount of 24ish inch shooting AT
turbid sonnet
imperial fists are MID!
thin ibex
Aren't the shock guns long- ah OK
floral herald
But not a lot of “lascannon equivalents”
thin ibex
Definitely
Though they do get the benefit of their "only lascannons" unit getting a native invulnerable
turbid sonnet
i hope space marine 2 continues to do well so they can add more classes and maybe, further down the line, another enemy faction
(necrons necrons necrons necrons necrons necrons necrons necrons)
bright dove
Can't have another Egypt themed enemy. :p
turbid sonnet
we can, and we should
it's a fantastic aesthetic
i know that in lore a single gauss rifle shot can melt off a marine's arm or whatever but i don't care i want to punch a lychgard in the face
thin ibex
Sm 2 campaign spoilers ||I felt so baited by the necron bit in the campaign. I was so fucking ready for a surprise third faction||
|| I would have lost my mind if necrons got the AAA spotlight ||
turbid sonnet
Sm 2 campaign spoilers ||I felt so baited by the necron bit in the campaign. I w...
||me too but that's why i think necrons have a very good chance of being dlc||
||CAN YOU IMAGINE GETTING TO FIGHT NECRONS IN AN ACTUAL SHOOTER GAME IT WOULD BE SO GOOD||
||BOSS FIGHT AGAINST A CTAN SHARD||
thin ibex
Someone remind me, Carnifexs are largely out of fashion except when led by one eye these days right?
turbid sonnet
i love old one eye so much
thin ibex
But otherwise they're largely fine as big monster guys?