Warhammer and Such

[jaunty dawn]

I think it's definitely a missed opportunity to bring back the infiltration and land mechanised aspect using the standard squad

[desert jay]

I think they're similar tech to all those grav-vehicles Primaris have

[jaunty dawn]

it's suspensor technology

[cosmic tulip]

Miniaturized grav thrusters in the imperium seems…

Odd

[jaunty dawn]

so the same thing that helps move heavy weapons around

[cosmic tulip]

That seems too advanced ngl

[jaunty dawn]

which are also fairly common

[cosmic tulip]

Maybe I’m not up to date with imperium lore

[jaunty dawn]

so it's probably more a kind of technology where making it bigger is the hard thing

[cosmic tulip]

Did they get a mini renaissance or something

[jaunty dawn]

no no suspensors are Old Old lore

like

probably on 2e equipment cards Old

[cosmic tulip]

Oh yeah ik that

[jaunty dawn]

oh

[cosmic tulip]

But chutes..

[jaunty dawn]

but there was a renaissance for space marines specifically if you aren't already aware

[cosmic tulip]

Are those new?

[jaunty dawn]

no

[cosmic tulip]

Primaris?

[jaunty dawn]

like they're in the old imperial guard codexes n such

yeah

but like it's plausible someone could not know the like cawl tech details of that so just in case haha

but yeah to finish my thought like, suspensors and grav chutes and servo skulls/cherubs type stuff - all super common

[cosmic tulip]

Oh ok!

[jaunty dawn]

bike sized stuff, pretty rare. plate based technology of the land speeder the main example

which is what all the new grav tanks are basically derived from

NOw,

one thing about new lore that is kinda weird,,,,

[floral herald]

The imperium doesn't have a tech level just technology they still know how to make

[jaunty dawn]

escher on necromunda have jury rigged jet bikes

[floral herald]

So some stuff is super advanced and some stuff is trash

Because there's no real understanding just whether or not they know the minecraft recipe for a given wonder of technology or not

[jaunty dawn]

my explanation for this is that jet bikes that are up to the standards of space marines are still super hard to find

but making possibly illegal vehicles by strapping a grav plate or a ton of suspensors to an actual jet engine, doable maybe

[cosmic tulip]

That makes sense

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

they do only use them out in the wastes too which is further beyond the reach of the law

van saar have hoverboards (another version of which appeared in the rpgs, maybe older) but they have an stc so

[floral herald]

One of the weird quirks is that grav chutes are really common and the guard can deploy them in mass and little hover sets for servo skulls are everywhere but they just… can’t make some other antigravity tech

[jaunty dawn]

I think maybe why the new design for spyrers is so similar to van saar is they are from the same stc and have just been heirloomed from the early days of necromunda where it was just The STC and not a broken radiation filled thing jealously guarded and hidden by the van saar

[floral herald]

Oh that’s neat

[jaunty dawn]

which is negating the tau connection but uh, that probably makes sense to be fair

especially with modern necromunda lore being super funky

[floral herald]

Oh another good example is the Leman Russ Executioner - has a crazy advanced plasma cannon they only barely understand and it’s mounted on a tank which would not be hugely out of place in WW2

[jaunty dawn]

or the vanquisher and it's eponymous cannon - forge world got overrun and it was apparently the only forge world left in the imperium that know about armour piercing discarding sabot rounds

which were developed in the late 1930s irl

[south axle]

Munda has suspensors as a pretty easy upgrades for guns. It also has grav-chutes, so might try to get Aquilons for some kind of KT-Knight House support thing in 40k and hope you get extra chutes so I can give one to my Eschers

[jaunty dawn]

my van saar gang has a flying vehicle of some kind and their like pointman squad is all grav chuted. They've got the cool ash waste hard shell camel packs so I imagine it's inside those

[south axle]

Van Saar has bloody hover boards

[jaunty dawn]

yeeee

though by the name I think they're meant to be more like very small boats

cause like back to the future hover boards do also exist. Power Board iirc?

my rogue trader character had one haha

[south axle]

Also, this is a kinda fun thing

[jaunty dawn]

yeeee

I really like the new one

resin one was not as cool as I was imagining it

but the jet engines are really fun

(i think it's partially the pose on the resin one?)

[south axle]

Van Saar Juve-CHamp kit: hover boards and big guns
Escher Juve-Champ kit: feral hunters and zombies

[floral herald]

I wonder if there’s a munda scene around me

[jaunty dawn]

I really like the wyld runners

[south axle]

The resin one looks more armoured compared to the newer plastic ones, but it being more expensive than 2 new ones hurts it so much

[jaunty dawn]

Im not sure the bow is all that great mechanically but it's so coool

[south axle]

Wyld Runners are great imo, so are Deathmaidens

[jaunty dawn]

I think the resin is representing heavy carapace which is an upgrade unavailable to the new ones yeah

or at least in retrospect that feels true

[south axle]

Look at this baby

[floral herald]

I like the ash nomads and eschers a lot

But idk if there’s a scene around me

[south axle]

Is my naming convention obvious?

[jaunty dawn]

haha niceee

[floral herald]

Haha

[south axle]

I kinda wish they had given the Aquilons something like the Reiver Boltcarbine/smg look

This look

[granite basin]

the bolt carbine is exceptionally cool, even if it's canonically less punchy

smth about holding a bolter like a tommy gun just Gets me

[jaunty dawn]

it does feel like shortening the hardened barrel by one notch isn't quite enough to call them carbines yeah

if they had made them bullpups I think this release would have killed me /pos

[south axle]

Considering that I didn't see the carbine being shorter, ye it could have been much shorter

[jaunty dawn]

yuup

[south axle]

Do love the holosights tho

[jaunty dawn]

I don't have a modern guardsman for comparison but I'm pretty sure the current scion lasgun is much longer

so shortening that still results in something longer than the basic lasgun

I do like the melta carbine though, very nice. excited to see how the plasma carbine turns out

[south axle]

The melta/plasma-carbines are great in comparison, they look appropriately short

The plasma carbine my friend

[jaunty dawn]

oh!!!

nice thanks!

that looks great yeah

big fan

[south axle]

Just realized that the "sniper" is just the normal Scion las with a longer scope and a mag instead of cables

[jaunty dawn]

yup!

which isn't uncommon for a designated marksman rifle

[south axle]

Ye

[jaunty dawn]

very curious to see what difference cable vs box mag makes

[runic swallow]

Iirc the cabled Hellgun in lore was higher power and more ammo, but the mag-fed hot shot was obviously lighter

[finite compass]

In lore it's an ammo backpack

(And in the old FFG games)

[jaunty dawn]

mm

cabled makes it like, practical

cause hot-shoting your lasgun reduces your ammo by a bunch

[runic swallow]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

(did mean mechanically)

[finite compass]

Confusingly there are also Hotshot charge packs. Which are for standard lasguns

But dump the entire power load into one shot

[jaunty dawn]

I could imagine the cabled guy being basically a squad automatic weapon equivalent? at least for the comparatively lighter combat load of aquilons

yeah see this is why hellgun was a useful term haha

[south axle]

He does look a bit heavier than his friend

[jaunty dawn]

my take on it is that any lasgun can be made to hot shot - on a standard loadout, that's all your ammo gone and your units armourer pretty pissed

hellguns are purpose built systems - you got that hardened jacketed barrel and backpack ammo supply

[finite compass]

IIRC the barrel is basically a cooling shroud

And the hotshot packs are normally just issued to snipers

[jaunty dawn]

yeah another concept is like veterans knowing how to do it too

[finite compass]

'long-las' and all that

[jaunty dawn]

might have been mechanically backed at some point? idk

[finite compass]

I remember in Black Crusade they had rules for tweaking lasguns to different charge settings

[jaunty dawn]

yeeee

[finite compass]

Like give it more power, but make it unreliable

Which was fluffed as Tech Heresy

...But then the same rules showed up in later editions of the other gamelines

[south axle]

Much of tech heresy just boils down to authorization

[finite compass]

which I guess makes sense because I seem to remember similar showing up in some of the Gaunt's Ghosts books

[jaunty dawn]

speaking of ffg stuff they had one of my favourite lasguns which was like

a tommy gun ish thing which also fitted two standard sized mags

[finite compass]

is it going to be the same one I'm thinking of. >_>

Nope, but yes, I remember that. 😛

[jaunty dawn]

haha

what's yours!

[finite compass]

The one I liked was an 'assault las' which was basically fluffed as a low-tech alternative to an actual Hellgun

Which was literally just adding a second barrel

[jaunty dawn]

omg nice

yeah I think i remember that

[finite compass]

Twice the fire rate, twice the ammo consumption, and is no longer reliable.

[jaunty dawn]

kinda a similar concept to van saar's supression lasers which are las shotguns

[south axle]

I feel like much of the miniatures game in the 40k setting are missing smg style guns

[finite compass]

And the Hotshot volley guns

[floral herald]

The assault las is fun

[finite compass]

Autopistols, kinda?

Though those are like MAC-10 style rather than something like a full-sized SMG

[jaunty dawn]

oh my god this thing. shotlas

[south axle]

There are some stuff, like AdMech has some on the stalkers

[jaunty dawn]

yeah autopistols are very often mac/uzi style things

[finite compass]

You know what style of lasgun I wish still showed up

The one from all the old metal guard minis

2nd/3rd ed

[jaunty dawn]

less thompson-y than I remember but I think it was presented alongside drum shaped extended packs

[south axle]

Delaque has this thing

[finite compass]

The good old days

[floral herald]

I like the tommygun the new cadians have

[finite compass]

Also all the Dark Heresy Volg weapons

Which were fluffed as like Metro-style scrap guns

Like the Ripper-Clip

Known locally as the “zip gun” or “chopper”, this bulky autopistol is purposely designed to be a cheap as possible to manufacture and maintain. Rather than caseless ammo, the Ripper Clip uses basic stub rounds and the weapon itself is made from industrial spares and crude pressed metal parts. A further eccentricity of its design is its loading mechanism, a vertical strip of bullets wrenched through the autopistol as it fires (a feature copied from a common rivet gun). This unusual arrangement creates a distinctively loud banging-rattle when used, often ending with a clatter as the spent strip hits the floor—unfortunately advertising that the user is out of ammo

[jaunty dawn]

auxiliary krak grenade launcher my beloved

[south axle]

Las weapons just going Las pistol-gun-long-cannon with a shorter gap between gun and long because of all the varaints and nothing between pistol and gun feels off, especially in MUnda and KT

[jaunty dawn]

mm

van saar get a las-autogun called a las carbine which. is the exact same length.

but allows them to the fill the niche of automatic weapon in munda

although we now know the cool curved thing is an extended magazine thanks to the tek hunters

don't think that had been established previously

[finite compass]

House VanSaar just casually having their own functional STC fragment

[jaunty dawn]

it's fun

[finite compass]

The AdMech: So what'cha got there?
House VanSaar: A Smoothie

[jaunty dawn]

there's this tidbit, maybe from uplifting primer? where a bunch of van saar lasguns accidentally leak to the guard

[finite compass]

It was from when Regimental Standard was a thing

[jaunty dawn]

and then the guard officials complain about them being too effective (and also killing the users)

[finite compass]

I remember taht

[jaunty dawn]

right yeah that's what I meant

[finite compass]

My favorite Regimental Standard articles were the ones where it got hijacked by Orks

With articles like 'Guide to Dakka'

Squishy Dakka: Some of da boyz from Octarius got their mekz to loot some of da dakka from da tirry-nids. Works pretty well if you keep ’em fed. You can get sum from Ulg Lotsarms and his boyz, just smack ‘im in da gob if he keeps talkin’ about “Gork and Mork but wiv four arms for hittin’ people” and “the patriork” and uvver rubbish.

[jaunty dawn]

that's amazing

[jaunty dawn]

oh hold up!!

muzzle helm reference!

it's a bit awkward looking but I appreciate it

[cosmic tulip]

Mustache

[jaunty dawn]

I think painting it differently would help

[mild glen]

Dang it. The filthy T'au lover in me is at odds with the filthy Imperial Guard lover in me.

[cosmic tulip]

Guevesa

Easy

[mild glen]

It would be accurate to describe my current collection of 40k models as "half a T'au army and a baneblade"

[pastel rampart]

Imperial-brand pacifier.

[mild glen]

By the Emperor! Pass me my binky, corporal!

[jaunty dawn]

Cursed!!!!!

[floral herald]

Good news - there’s a coop mode in the new edition so they can team up

[cosmic tulip]

Against Genestealers

[mild glen]

buy... more... squishy... horde... units...

[upper canopy]

https://www.tumblr.com/wh40kartwork/759116773250531328/iyanden?source=share

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1274538736654225540/20240816_231426.webp?ex=66c29e32&is=66c14cb2&hm=17a739e2aabd52c461724af85c37a853cc05d2c98d97b43af7785d56cf0842a1&

[solemn gull]

It truly is the grim darkness of the 41st millennium

[upper canopy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1em3afs/current_state_of_super_soaker_technology_in_the/

sometimes the 40k lore reddit produces a gem

[desert jay]

I also remember that the Arbites Repressor (one of the Rhino varients) has water cannons for riot control, which are like a super soaker

[runic swallow]

Yeah, one that will literally blast skin off

Seriously water cannons will fuck you up irl

[runic swallow]

Yeah, the kind of guns you give to the Juves in Necromunda

[upper canopy]

this WAS the best response

[finite compass]

speaking of 40k subreddits

The one post that justifies this subreddit's entire existence.

Or: A formal paper of a scientific experiment, with citations.

...By Orks

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kOrkScience/comments/ap7d5b/towards_a_systematik_approach_to_kolour_feory/

[mild glen]

This is amazing.

[thin ibex]

I wonder if the wraith knight could get revisited to be a bit cooler without staying into the easily OP territory

Obviously it likely won't be

[rocky shale]

It really just needs it's points split between the different weapon options

The double wraithcannon is actually borderline competitive but the sword/suncannon and shield options are substantially worse

[thin ibex]

Yeah, and obviously I love the sword/shield but it's not a great way to spend those points

[rocky shale]

Based on how other codecies have been going, there's a good chance we get a point split on some models

[pulsar cairn]

Abbadon is kind of a sad character

Even if he did conquer the imperium

I dont think he could achieve his vision

Even tho his forces are very loyal to him they are still full of chaos juice

I dont think they would function in times of """peace"""

[jaunty dawn]

plus he has a dumb haircut

also pretty sad

I wonder if it's like the cthonia equivalent of a bowl cut. your mom hangs you upside down, ties together the hair on the middle of your head, then shaves the rest off

[mental birch]

Game of battlefleet gothic

Managed to isolate and bully a big shi0

[jaunty dawn]

hell yeah

[mental birch]

You see that pile of blast markers on the left

That was a 6 ship wolf pack that ran in and killed his flagship

Emphasis on was

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1274597411750150144/dc9c6f0e04726ee804a46eb58e1ef931.png?ex=66c2d4d7&is=66c18357&hm=15e3f9c38b7f19ea20159f66a22afc8b2c8e32f7c3cbf31fe75507d6d80b7ec4&

lol, lmao

no

[jaunty dawn]

pfff

[mild glen]

This is kinda Chaos as a faction. It doesn't function without entropy.
Though, to be fair, this is 40k and they're hardly the only one. The 'nids starve after they eat the Galaxy unless they have the energy to crawl to a new one, the Orks spend all their time krumpin' each other after they've had a good fight with everyone else, the overwhelming majority of Necrontyr don't have that pesky "free will" thing, et. Cetera.

[solemn gull]

Would be awesome if there was a cheap weapon that just pushed people off ledges

[mental birch]

A force of nature

As it were

[bright dove]

42 dollars for the hills? Nevermind, I'll just make them myself.

[pastel rampart]

Arcane Ruins went for like $40 on release and there's no way they're worth double now, sorry.

[paper bluff]

You might find old stuff online for old price

[bold halo]

love a whole new generation experiencing "oh that hill looks cool"

"It costs how much"

[bright dove]

I have the "How to Make Wargames Terrain" that GW used to make still. 😛

If i really wanted, there's just the option of "make my own hill"

[bold halo]

the most egregious one for me was when they released the modular table tiles

shit was like $600 or something

[floral herald]

The 4e book (lordy im turning into an annoying fan for it) had a section talking about using a green tablecloth and books to make hills

For cheap hobby stuff

[bold halo]

ye

unfortunately I hated how it'd slide around

[bright dove]

Tis the price of essentially free.

[bold halo]

I went with a big 8x4 sheet of insulation foam, a boxcutter, the cheapest white glue I could find, and a bucket of sand from the yet to be developed lot next door lol

the aquarium plants are still a good shout

[bright dove]

God bless aquarium plants tbh

[bold halo]

also turning actual garbage into tabletop terrain and minis is a tradition as old as the game

we salute deodorant speeder in this house

I haven't made any terrain in over a decade and I still have to stop myself hoarding packing material with cool shapes

[bright dove]

Corrugated cardboard, my beloved.

[bold halo]

not a tube let go to waste

[pastel rampart]

Only if you're really lucky, because I've yet to see them for less than the new GW price.

You're better off scouring a game store that's been there for decades and has some sitting forgotten in a back corner.

(or just getting some pink foam and carving it yourself, it's not that difficult)

[paper bluff]

Aye that is true

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reapermini.com/search/terrain/latest/77556 Or the Reaper mystic circle if you want something stronger than foam for less than half the price.

Ain't exactly the same, of course, but big standing stone formation is in a similar wheelhouse.

[floral herald]

https://youtu.be/QQEbfWLYo7U

Huh this is a little less intense than I expected for very high level

Not a ton more hordes but way more nasty elites

This is also fun gameplay to see

Player is more practiced than a lot and there's no voiceover

Oh shit there's a Neurothrope boss 👀

[floral herald]

ok nvm I take it back this finale is fucked

I'm looking forward to these

[jaunty dawn]

why does the blood angel army set not come with all the blood angel stuff

[floral herald]

Is this the new box or the SM2 customization?

I thought the new box had all the new stuff at least

[tired cairn]

I thought the box came with just the death company stuff. (Or is there a different box)

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah fair there is like

two guys and the upgrades

maybe more than one upgrade idk

[tired cairn]

Things that there are too many of in the 40k universe: Death noun organizations

[jaunty dawn]

eviscerators are back on the table boysssssss

(like week old news)

[floral herald]

I was looking at this https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/18/sunday-preview-the-blood-angels-descend-and-war-comes-to-angmar/

Which is pretty new

Wait I think I'm confused haha

[jaunty dawn]

oh no theres likke

[tired cairn]

There are even at least two black painted death noun space marine groups

[jaunty dawn]

another guy and the

gold boys

gold boys and their gold boss

and blood angel captain?

[floral herald]

Oh right yeah, I guess that one is just all D-coy

[jaunty dawn]

but thats not coming out till the full release anyway so its not that weird

[tired cairn]

That sounds right

[jaunty dawn]

i thought the army set was just one guy haha

and then old stuff painted bew

new

[floral herald]

I completely missed Lemartes looking at the group shot

[tired cairn]

I mean, they all think they are sanguinious

I knew he was in there and it still took me a bit to find him

[desert jay]

I know Legions Imperalis is smaller scale but dang 8 termite drills to a box

[soft willow]

They're roughly quarter scale to 40k.

Eight in a box is good since you need a lot of them in a transport detachment, or in the underground assault formation.

You're still likely to need 2 boxes minimum.

[jaunty dawn]

oh gosh kt is not only october but first two weeks of oct

(preorder is sept)

[floral herald]

sick sick sick

[dense sedge]

went 2-1

[pastel rampart]

Well, that's Space Marine 1 down.

Sure is a 2011-ass game.

[floral herald]

yep

It's good but its extremely early 360 era

[solemn gull]

Definitely by the numbers

[pastel rampart]

Late 360 era, but yeah.

[floral herald]

oh whoops

[pastel rampart]

(360 came out in 2005, Xbone in 2013)

I feel like the beginning and the very final fight are the weakest but like, everything past chaos coming in had much better arena and fight designs.

Vengeance Launcher sucked shit.

[floral herald]

Yeah lol

I managed to use it ok on my second playthrough but its both really hard to use and not very good

[pastel rampart]

I dumped it the nanosecond I could.

[floral herald]

It was also funny to have all of these iconic weapons and then

[pastel rampart]

No flamer, no power sword or power fist, no missile launcher.

[floral herald]

No power fist sucked

Glad we're getting it in 2

I liked the power axe since it was kind of ultramariney

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. I did find it funny how often the game would go "hey want the chainsword back?" and its like

no lol c'mon now

[floral herald]

Yeah there was a real choice between the hammer and the axe imo

But the chainsword mostly just stayed relevant if you liked the vrrrrrrr noises a lot

[pastel rampart]

So many times the hammer ended up kinda hurting in the end because I'd think "oh there's going to be enemies that this will be good against" and then it's big open areas and I'm crying, why did I get rid of my sniper bolter.

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-coneshaped-gaming-gif-17215548

[cinder wraith]

i have played more munda

my leader now has fast shot

which means he can shoot twice in his activation

murder time

(combi bolter + plasma, web gun and a shield)

[solemn gull]

Fast shot on a web gun seems very good

What alliance did you take?

[cinder wraith]

enforcers

my captain has infiltrate and fast shot now

[solemn gull]

Enforcers can’t take alliances?

[cinder wraith]

what?

whats alliance?

(also campaign im in isnt using that rule)

[solemn gull]

Like the corpse harvesting guild, promethian guild…

Oh

They are groups that ask you to do certain things but give you bonuses

[cinder wraith]

ooh

[solemn gull]

Lost any juves yet?

[cinder wraith]

this campaign we're going into the depths of the hive city

[cinder wraith]

3

[solemn gull]

Hah

[cinder wraith]

i lost in total 8 gangers including juves

[solemn gull]

Well at least you get a patrolman back in return

[cinder wraith]

nope

[solemn gull]

Wow not paying your rogue docs?

[cinder wraith]

this campaign is a very harsh one

[solemn gull]

What’s the injury table look like?

[cinder wraith]

we go deep into the hive city to bust criminals because they believe there is a paradise in the depths (which is a suspicion for a chaos cult$

thats my goal

and we cant recruit more fighters and no trading posts after first period

[solemn gull]

Right but what is the injury table like, there’s no way you should of lost 8 dudes

[solemn gull]

Oh you’re playing the corpse grinder campaign

[cinder wraith]

6 rolled high on injury that they died

other 2 rolled for recovery but if i dont pay they die

and i had like less than 20 credits

so i took their weapons and equipment and left them a memorial

[solemn gull]

So how many dudes do you have left atm?

[cinder wraith]

10

9 but i got a hangeron ambot

[solemn gull]

Wow you must of started with more then 1k

[cinder wraith]

3k

[solemn gull]

Woah

[south axle]

Wowsa

[solemn gull]

Doesn’t that lessen the fun of trying to get cool stuff?

[cinder wraith]

no, it was mentioned the campaign is very harsh and hard

and we can get stuff from events after a period ends (homebrew stuff of roleplaying with skill checks)

last period event i got plasma and grav gun with ambot

[solemn gull]

Sounds pretty cool then

[cinder wraith]

its very fun

[south axle]

How many bodies does each side often bring in the games?

[cinder wraith]

now we're fighting the death korp cause they are trying to stop the gangs from entering further deep

[cinder wraith]

5+

[solemn gull]

That is pretty low

[south axle]

So still pretty standard amount

[cinder wraith]

the upcoming event im gonna try to reason with krieg (bad idea generally) but since im enforcers i think i might be able to

i have enough food to
support for feeding

all i need to do is get to the deep and arrest the other criminal gangs

so far i captured no one

the squats captured 2 of my proxy fighters from a proxy gang and ate one of them due to hunger and sold the other one to a ringmaster

[south axle]

Food > credits

[cinder wraith]

yeah

i have enough food cause 2 fighters are automata

[solemn gull]

The uprising campaign is very fun

[south axle]

I'd love to play more munda, it's been too long

[cinder wraith]

im planning to run a munda campaign

so far the idea is using the munda system to play on a different planet

where the GSC successfully called an invasion fleet to the planet and the gangers myst fight their way to an escape ship

starting from Zone Mortalis to Sector mechanicus, ash wastes and a final game of battling against eachother for a spot on the ship

[solemn gull]

Seems pretty cool

[cinder wraith]

players needed an excuse cause they want to play an ash waste campaign

the squat player has the forgeworld vehicle for squats

[solemn gull]

Sounds like it will be pretty cool

[cinder wraith]

also cant wait for next munda game so i can play the Enforcement Program for my automata

[jaunty dawn]

oh what

enforcers have a cool robot mechanic?

[paper bluff]

Do the malstrain have cool stuff?

[jaunty dawn]

book isnt out yet

the book in the starter box is super basic

genestealers are terrifying though

wait I guess there should be reviews for book of desolation out

[solemn gull]

They have their own version of a dreadnought

[solemn gull]

What hanger-ons have you employed?

[cinder wraith]

no one, i got the ambot for free from a narrative event after each period of games

[jaunty dawn]

i just forgot about the apocrypha expansion that gives them special robot powers for their dogs and dreads

[pulsar cairn]

Are greater daemons scaled up in 40k when compared to AoS? Or are people in AoS just stronger?

[floral herald]

They’re strictly speaking not related beyond thematic similarity and name

Wink wink nudge nudge

[pulsar cairn]

[jaunty dawn]

are greater daemons easier to kill in aos?

[dense sedge]

AoS units are worth more points out of 2k on average

[bright dove]

You are more likely to run into people of a powerscale to kill a Greater Daemon easily in AoS.

[floral herald]

I will note that this includes greater daemons, which can be hella expensive

[bright dove]

Mmmmm, 480 point Great Unclean One.

[floral herald]

As one example 40k Skarbrand is 305 pts and AoS Skarbrand is 510

[pulsar cairn]

do they get more stuff in AoS or something?

Or there's no clear reason?

Are armies supposed to be smaller?

[jaunty dawn]

was kinda just wondering the premise of skully's question

[floral herald]

Armies are generally somewhat smaller yeah

[jaunty dawn]

40k has gotten quite inflated over time

[pulsar cairn]

i was just thinking about how in 40k a greater daemon is often a world ending threat

[jaunty dawn]

ah

yeah I suppose so

like the scale is different

I think its a mix of different universes have different contexts, but it's also kinda a thing of daemons adapting to the times I think

and like yeah in 40k it's entire planets but they're not really that different from cities in aos

just cause individual cities aren't usually a big deal in 40k

[pulsar cairn]

true, in 40k the universe is BEEG, and chaos gods usually draw energy from the people in the universe so bigger universe means bigger demons

[pulsar cairn]

also that

a planet doesnt mean that much in 40k when you think about the sheer amount of them

[bright dove]

Chaos also aren't the only gods around in AoS

[pulsar cairn]

yeh like beeg rat god!

[bright dove]

Oh, GHR is one of the Chaos gods now.

[pulsar cairn]

fun room mate for them

[jaunty dawn]

I think the like logic of both universes has them about as easy to kill as each other, just the details differ. like a hero of each universe stands a chance, an army of either struggles, etc

[bright dove]

Without the Rat, the Endtimes didn't happen

[jaunty dawn]

whether that hero has a magic sword or a power fist, or how many an army numbers

[pulsar cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1014538127722946600.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[solemn gull]

Going off what you said about casualties I’d say you should get a rogue doc

[cinder wraith]

cant hire any one more

[proud wing]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/809471076374937651/1274933229287116865/GVM6oPzXwAAJgPT.png?ex=66c40d98&is=66c2bc18&hm=53744a811dfe6ad7194a8ea0dd2aa18cd34c83e6c12e7acf1a204d218f3a6f72&

[solemn gull]

Oh right you’re in the ruin phase

[paper bluff]

Nurgle and tzeech were already and slaanesh left there so yeah

[south axle]

Does lance offset the -1A -1AP?

[solemn gull]

Interesting that that the sword is somehow better at penetrating then a spear

[south axle]

Like, sword just feels better

[solemn gull]

They should of kept the “if sword, +1 A, if spear do -1 AP, if axe do +1 D”

[jaunty dawn]

spear should have the higher ap yeah

I think that and lance would be equal to +1A

[south axle]

Lance is like +1S on charge, right

[jaunty dawn]

+1 to Wound

so much better

if red thirst doesn't change these effectively have +2 strength and +1 attack too

although I wonder if red thirst is just getting baked in and thats why they're strength 6

[paper bluff]

I don't think [lance] is as good as GW believes

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I'd agree

it's not worth attack and ap

[paper bluff]

World eaters detachment gives them what is basically the lance keyword

[past sphinx]

Stodes jetbikes suffer under the tyranny of [lance]

President Zhao my army yearns for freedom

[paper bluff]

My friend, I have a bottom tray in an army carrier that suffers

[south axle]

The strat is allow 1 Jump Pack unit that fell back or advanced to shoot and/or charge

[paper bluff]

If the bolters on the bikes had the assault keyword they would almost be completely takeable

Thematically that even matches the custodian guard/wardens

[jaunty dawn]

sword is better into meq, knights, guardsmen, but slightly worse into teq

but that's cause the ap gap is closed

but when sword is better it's like, 50% better

and if the attacker doesn't charge it's a wash no matter the target

so yeah gw not doing the basic mathhammer and making the more situational weapon have better outcomes in those situations xT

swapping the ap around makes them about equal, sword performing better into low saves and spear performing better into vehicles without invulns

lance also like

doesn't do anything if you have red thirst into t4 or lower targets which is rough

not saying they need to check everything but it'd be nice if they checked if stuff actually worked the way they wanted it to

seems like you might have to take a spear to take banner though

[south axle]

Ye, banner is spear+. Tho do we even know what banner does?

[jaunty dawn]

no but it is stated to be an 'upgrade'

so it's fair to say something

[south axle]

If the banner is worse stats than a spear when it is just a piece of cloth tied to a spear.... i don't even

[jaunty dawn]

I assume it'll be wargear

like rerolling charges or something

[soft willow]

I think the biggest problem GW has is not having a big enough playtest pool, but also not being able to trust a larger pool not to leak everything they're doing.

[paper bluff]

Auspex tactics seems like he could be put under NDA and follow it

Plus he might get some extra sleep if he had prior knowledge!

[pastel rampart]

And like, the irony I think is if they did do an open playtest they'd get some really fucked results that would skew the game in weird and bad directions.

[soft willow]

Possibly, depends on if they approached it as gospel or as another dataset to add to the pile.

Hiring a mathmatician to help with the game design is a good idea for them either way.

[pastel rampart]

I just recall the global campaign for Eye of Terror and how messed up the reporting for that was, and they weren't as popular then as they are now.

Take that and put it to game design and it gets weird for a company at GW's size.

[jaunty dawn]

even beyond the leaks I don't feel like gw was really that different in this regard when they had closed playtesting

[pastel rampart]

Like, could they do it? Yeah probably, but they'd have to sift through and ignore a lot of stuff and that might not end up being any better than closed playtesting.

[jaunty dawn]

and there was not stellar feedback from participants about the process

[runic swallow]

Grognard Jones, who plays 14 games per week, is an outlier adn should not be counted

[desert jay]

I'm actually imagine him declining so he can continue safely talking about leaks

[past sphinx]

Open participation at a warhammer store might be good but that's still an extremely limited view

Most people play at home and packing up to go try some rules is an outlier

[floral herald]

I don’t know if that’s true

A lot of people around me play at local stores

[soft willow]

Yeah there's a good mix of ways the game is played and there's not a good way to plan perfectly for all of them.

But damn you think they'd catch outliers like the 10th ed Eldar Index in the dev process.

And like even a few sources of different levels from newer to competitive players playing it and reporting data would tell you things.

You wouldn't take it all at face value, but any amount of a larger sample size would likely help guide them to better deliver the experience they're looking for.

[bright dove]

So, there's a common thing in game design that while players may be good at finding problems, you shouldn't listen to them for solutions.

[soft willow]

Yeah that’s very much what this would be for.

[thin ibex]

I feel like most players do not play at home personally, just based on my instincts. Going to a store or location that has the table space and terrain to play with is I think a persuasive reason to not play at home for most folks

[soft willow]

I used to think that way, but now my entire play group plays at a friend's house.

I do think that it's probably a pretty even split of people who play at shops and at home, and there's a lot of crossover too.

[thin ibex]

Well that's cause your friends house now has all the stuff to actually play right? That's an investment of effort and capital to get to that point beyond getting and painting an army

[soft willow]

I'd be curious about the spread of players by income and where they play.

I suspect that folks with higher paying jobs and less time play at home more, and folks with the opposite play at shops more.

As you're right that there's some investment to it.

Though truthfully you can do a lot with very little if you're just wanting to get a game going.

[bright dove]

Collecting an army is an investment

[soft willow]

Yeah I feel like at a certain point you just pony up for some MDF terrain and a mat because it's only like another 200 dollars.

And a few thousand in the sunk cost fallacy gets you.

[jaunty dawn]

I think the majority both don't interact online and don't participate in local community

ie they're playing at someone's house. probably in a shed, or kitchen table

maybe a games room

[soft willow]

If they're playing at all and not just enjoying the models.

[tepid stratus]

Honestly I'd probably have my own home setup at this point if I had the space for it

[past sphinx]

MTG is something like 80% home games

Warhammer is around 60-70 iirc

Though those are precovid numbets

[soft willow]

I think this is the biggest driver for a local club or shop game,

Folks who have an army but not a dining room table to play on.

[paper bluff]

Well Black library books are as it would seem. No reason for hollow mountain hardback to be 145 usd

[tepid stratus]

Lol I have a dining room table but I don't have the space for terrain storage, that stuff can take up more room than multiple armies depending on what you've got. That paired with the stupid cost of game mats here and the fact that I live with my parents so commandeering the kitchen for Warhammer isn't a frequent option lol

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah one room for storage is so much worse than even a small house

[junior summit]

I like the servo sentry's little legs

The way it moves is very cute

[tepid stratus]

Only other spot in the house with the space for a full table would be in the basement but between the rec area and my office, putting a table down there would mean eating into one or the other

Then again maybe table lifting could be worked into my workout routine lol

[soft willow]

Folding tables are where it’s at.

Or I got a counter hight 4x4 table and pop plywood on top when I need to play 40k.

[solemn gull]

I made a table with slots for the legs so it can be disassembled into a easily storable rectangle

[jaunty dawn]

I want that tooo

[paper bluff]

You're saying you want more than this?

[solemn gull]

I basically just copied an old miscast video

https://youtu.be/5VC6wCHOyDk?si=xuTBZBgkXAHnu0iu

[jaunty dawn]

the main thing is getting one that's 4' wide

[proud wing]

I feel like the issue with making a table like that for an RPG is that it could get contrived making every encounter be in the same type of setting

[past sphinx]

Making tables js cool you just have to accept your gonna get really familiar with a trenchline

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.youtube.com/@RPArchiveOfficial

this guy's stuff is very cool

[floral herald]

That surprises me honestly, I would have expected 40-50% home games

[jaunty dawn]

unfortunately got long covid

[floral herald]

The mtg number doesn’t haha

[jaunty dawn]

I think it's like

if you go to tournements you might be in the minority of players but you do play a lot more games

[floral herald]

That’s possible yeah - a relatively smaller number of players playing a fuck ton of home games?

[jaunty dawn]

like one day at a tourney is the same number of games you could play in a month at home and still be playing most weeks

[soft willow]

Not to mention how many practice games you are likely to get in if you're planning a competitive list/ practicing before an event.

Competitive players play more games individually but are also probably only like 10% of the total games and less of the total population too.

It's also probably why they're the first to spot/exploit anything that isn't balanced well.

[junior summit]

Also spyrers look super sick

Very vulnerable too since they're still fairly squishy for how few of them you get

[pastel rampart]

Making some more FREAKS.

[bright dove]

Freaks indeed

That first one disturbs me in the best way.

[pastel rampart]

"FEED me Seymour"

[pastel rampart]

MORE FREAKS

[verbal ermine]

I gotta hand it to you, they look great so far!

[pastel rampart]

It's been fun to just raid the bitz bin and slap together stuff.

[verbal ermine]

he seems really ahead of it all

[paper bluff]

Could we get some tiny arms for this lad?

[dense sedge]

what are you building them to serve as?

[thin ibex]

Rock n roll

I feel like it's got legs, could totally work, but is pretty vulnerable to mass fire if I don't position well

Got a hell of a lot of positional tools and tie up tools

[pastel rampart]

Havoc Warrior Mutants for One Page Rules.

[solemn gull]

Best of luck with that but your models are sick

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/20/kill-team-lore-whats-the-buzz-around-the-upgraded-vespid-stingwings/ Hm, this may be walking back or at least choosing to not focus on the "mind control helmets" element that may have been hinted in earlier lore. It's cool to see the unit changes as an in-setting development!

[unreal cosmos]

It's getting Freaked (1993) in here

[jaunty dawn]

poor valkyrie

[paper bluff]

That'll teach them for taking an aircraft in 10th

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah that’s a huge change! The language is completly different from what was originally there

[junior robin]

I wonder if we will get any more jump pack kill teams

[floral herald]

I think we're up to 2 all flyers

With a smattering more lotsa flyers

[floral herald]

(Voiddancers and Vespids)

So I think there could be more

[tired cairn]

Tyranid gargoyle + flying tyranid prime team!

[junior robin]

fingers crossed for warp talons kt

[mental birch]

I think the presenters were just old school tau mind control people

And GW guidance was pretty lax

On how to present the vespid

[cosmic tulip]

I’ve noticed a desire to distance the tau from their grimdark.. ways?

Just reading on and off

Like Phil Kelly’s shadowsun book was released with a mild amount of fanfare

Not noticing but also not too much

[floral herald]

I think its been ambiguous for a while and think that this preserves the ambiguity

But also its important for it to be actually ambiguous

Not "yeah they say its normal but we know its not as fans"

Though I like how the lore is just like "yeah these guys are just really scary if you can't talk to them"

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[floral herald]

And its kind of mechanically represented

[cosmic tulip]

I just like it because the tau mind control thing is what my friends laugh at me about a ton

And tbh if an entire society was mind controlled and its not the necrons

[floral herald]

I'm always a sucker for armies where you don't have 100% control over them so I'm real excited for the buggs

[cosmic tulip]

How can they even get stuff done without any form
of independent thought

[granite basin]

i remember reading that the point of the tau is largely that life under them is measurably an improvement over, say, the Imperium, but that will always come with a degree of uncertainty as to How or Why that is

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[floral herald]

There's a lot of tongue in cheek stuff with the tau

I think it makes them a really fun faction to write

I like the stuff from the Imperium's perspective where they're like "the Ethereals HAVE to be using mind control! No one would listen to those promises"

I'd dig it up but twitter search is awful

[granite basin]

i love when the imperium projects, it's v funny

[dense sedge]

I prefer it when Tau empire is a bad but still better place to live compared to the Imperium since it adds the aspect that despite all this brutality and xenophobia and zelotry the imperium claims is essential to survival, the Tau prove that it isn't, they make the Imperium more grimdark by being not extremely evil even if they make the setting less grimdark

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

Warhammer fandom isn’t famous for their media literacy sadly

[thin ibex]

the recent novels still have the effect that the ethereals have on the tau as somewhat enigmatic, but pronounced

also i think the question of tau being evil and the tau providing a better life are not in lock step; bears some similarity to lancer discourse around, say, HA

i do think they're less bad than the imperium for a number of reasons, but they're not good

[upper canopy]

Yeah a lot of the Tau novels are just kinda shit

What I dislike is that we still have NO idea how the Tau Government works

Yeah Ethereals are in charge but like

then what

[thin ibex]

we know there is a caste council led by the ethereals

but the minutia are unclear

[tired cairn]

Do we know much less than other xenos factions' governments?

[upper canopy]

Yes

We actually know a surprising amount about everyone's else's political set ups

but the most complex outside of "Feudalism" is the Eldar with their Communism

[thin ibex]

eh i dont know about "just kinda shit" personally

but if you dont like em then you dont like em

[paper bluff]

Hey now! The dark eldar have the political system of cut throat

The harlequins are just 100% anarchists with the clown deity on top

[proud wing]

we know the tau don't brutally torture half their population

[floral herald]

I'm actually not sure which faction you're comparing them to there haha

[proud wing]

which alone makes them infinitely better than most others

[jaunty dawn]

I think that's the point yeah

orks, chaos, eldar, humans

necrons

*deldar

[thin ibex]

It's just that like... they're still a colonial empire with notions of galactic manifest destiny that use a heavily policed state and propaganda apparatus to culturally enforce their standards; and member races of the empire are all generally second class to the tau themselves.

So better yes, but not "good"

just that rather than brutally murdering dissenters, they quietly black bag them and they get "reassigned" to some distance location no one will ever check in on

[dense sedge]

that's deldar slander, it's 99% thank you very much, we don't do half measures

[thin ibex]

they may in fact murder the dissenters but not in the open

[finite compass]

Nah. That'd be wasteful.

They'd try Re-educating you first

[dense sedge]

they prefer indoctrination to brutal torture and repression

they're a lot more reliant on giving you things if you embrace the hegemony then maintaining it through the barrel of a bolter

[thin ibex]

they're also very much a "the nail that sticks out gets hammered" kind of society

[paper bluff]

Torturing your populace:
Orks: fighting but they're having fun (if not gretchin)
Necron: haha! If you can't ask them if their existence is a torture you can't say it it
Eldar: non monkeigh allowed
Dark eldar: the torture is a feature
Tau: rough and exploitative but there is "quality of life"
Votann: the work and toil is good
Tyranids: born for 1 thing
Imperium: there are flying baby corpses, you don't need to ask the question

Harlequins: .00001% of eldar population. But otherwise pretty good. How many can claim there is definitely a divine being that cares about them and isn't offering disease

Chaos: the torture is good

[thin ibex]

chaos be like "not only is torture good, its a form of devotion"

[jaunty dawn]

I mean the thing with like deldar and chaos and orks is they fully rely on oppression

[paper bluff]

"Now here's a rusty ceremonial dagger. Kill that guy and peel your face off with it. How you feel during depends on the whims of the dark gods"

[jaunty dawn]

even outside of their bought-in class

not just torturing each other for fun but like mass slavery n shit

[paper bluff]

Orks kinda built on might makes right.

[thin ibex]

orks do a bit of slavery yeah, and also bullying is their primary form of problem solving

[cosmic tulip]

We know a bit from the new codex

So each planet has a group or single ethereal

And depending on species makeup

[paper bluff]

Ork philosophy just goes about as far as they can swing a fist

[cosmic tulip]

A council of species on that planet

Led by the ethereal

[rocky shale]

Funny enough, the imperium's cherubs aren't baby corpses, they're vat-grown servitors made to look like gross flying babies

Which is maybe worse?

[paper bluff]

Vat grown babies then

[rocky shale]

Fresh babies

Non-free range

[paper bluff]

Hey now, one of those could accidentally inherit an planetary governorship

[solemn gull]

Turns out the dna they used for a line of cherubs actually belongs to a planetary governor that just got lost in warp travel. There are now 1 million cherubs in the throne room that are 5 decades older then the actual heir.

Decisions are made based on how many of them float to the ceiling or floor when approached with a topic

[finite compass]

New idea

Imperial Warship or Rogue Trader vessel whose eccentric former captain installed a Servitor orchestra to provide appropriate background music to events.

This has lead to many headaches and misunderstood orders as the 'combat soundtrack' tends to be the loudest and most bombastic.

[desert jay]

The flying skulls are real skulls that used to belong to real people, tho

[finite compass]

They're not servitors though

Getting turned into a servo-skull is an honor

Because it allows you to serve after your death.

[desert jay]

Yeah and then you also have labor servitors and battle servitors and such

[thin ibex]

well not totally, its also a punishment

[finite compass]

No, you're thinking of servitors

Servo-skulls don't have an organic brain, IIRC

[thin ibex]

oh yeah, thats wahtim thinking of

[finite compass]

They're just skulls with a basic cogitator unit and anti-grav device built into them

Servitors have an organic brain because AI prohibition

[ebon forge]

https://fixupx.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1825975401774002420 40k short confirmed

[proud wing]

ah, my favorite video game, Warhammer 4000

I remember playing it on my Sony Game Boy

[balmy wave]

Don't you mean Sega GameBoxStation?

[ebon forge]

I mean
Space Marine 1 is a video game, so they are not incorrect -gets shot

[soft willow]

I mean we had Warhammer video games in the 90s.

[tardy vault]

Ah yes the grim darkness of the 5th millennium

[mild glen]

Warhammer Community, I believe explicitly says it's about Space Marine II (which still should have been a Deathwatch game)

[desert jay]

TBH, could've even called it Space Marine 2: Deathwatch

[floral herald]

I lowkey think that'll be a DLC

New missions including deathwatch ones from the "lost years"

[soft willow]

Wasn't Titus just tortured by an inquisitor and kept in stasis for years?

Like they made some kind of filler fluff about that that seems to imply he didn't join the Deathwatch.

[floral herald]

There's a little space between the end of that and linking up with the ultramarines

I think

It might be a DLC sized space

[soft willow]

One hopes.

I'm annoyed enough still that everyone gets to Primaris up without problems.

Like I dare you to declare that Lysander or somebody dies undergoing the transformation.

[pastel rampart]

We did, it was Commissar Yarrick

[solemn gull]

There is a deathwatch chaplain in one of the books who is probably titus

[floral herald]

Extra funny if he makes Chaplain in the DW and gets knocked back down to Lieutenant anyway

[soft willow]

Which book?

Ope. I'm wrong.

[solemn gull]

One of Steve Parker’s

[soft willow]

Lexicanum has him listed as being a blackshield in the Deathwatch.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Demetrian_Titus

[solemn gull]

I quite liked his DW books shame he split ways

[solemn gull]

Yeah he was a black shield chaplain that never gave his name but suspiciously happened to have angered the inquisition while handling a chaos artifact

[rocky shale]

Deathwatch is gone, it's just space marine inquisition now

[soft willow]

Apparently he went by the moniker Nullus and it's from this White Dwarf: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/White_Dwarf_498

[pastel rampart]

Redid this guy.

[solemn gull]

Oh thanks I was talking out of my ass because I couldn’t find the quote I was looking for anywhere

[soft willow]

Probably some fan theory/nod to this stuff in those books that got dropped when they started the new game.

[mild glen]

Titus being forced into the Deathwatch because some newbie Tac Marine complained to an Ordo Hereticus Inquistior that his Captain cleaned up a different Hereticus Inquisitor's problem while murdering half a WAAAGH!! by himself is bothersome.

[solemn gull]

But hey at least we got cato out of it all (if I hear one more “I CATO SICARIOUS” I will explode)

[soft willow]

They fixed that by making that inquisitor a rogue inquisitor and heretic.

With a weird obesssion/beef with Space Marines.

Like had a whole dungeon full of em apparently.

[mild glen]

He still should have spoken to the Chapter Master, instead, if we wanted to complain about his CAPTAIN not strictly adhering to the Codex. You know, as the Codex would suggest.

[soft willow]

Oh yeah the newbie marine stepped outta line.

[mild glen]

But, yeah. Even aside from my general distate for the Blueberries, a Deathwatch game would have been a GREAT way to induce us to all the different Space Marine Chapters instead of just being All Ultramarines, All The Time (with special guest appearances by, like, half a dozen Blood Ravens and some Black Templars arresting our hero)

Imagine a series of Missions where you're squadded up with a Lamenter and shit just keeps going wrong because Lamenter.

[tardy vault]

The operations mode would be perfect for a Deathwatch game too

Perfect excuse for everyone to be playing different chapters

[pastel rampart]

Hope SM2 addresses Leandros being a wet blanket in 1.

[bright dove]

I hope they make him even worse.

[thin ibex]

iirc he def shows up

and is an element in the story

[finite compass]

Protag should have been a Space Wolf. I will not elaborate.

[thin ibex]

i cant wait to be a space wolf with a knife and a pistol

i cant wait

to me a space wolf with a knife and a pistol is more iconic than the thunder hammer or lightning claws

[finite compass]

Still iconic

[floral herald]

I'm an unironic Ultramarine fan so I'm eating good

I'm a little sad it looks like there might be fewer Ultramarine Things in this one than SM1

[finite compass]

I'm a Make Your Own Chapter fan

[floral herald]

I've technically thought the Ultramarines were really cool since before I knew what a space marine was

[finite compass]

Just think, if they didn't make up the Blood Ravens for Dawn of War then we wouldn't have the Bloody Magpie memes

[mild glen]

Honestly? Yes. This. The video game should have made a new Chapter for us to love.

[thin ibex]

eh, would i have preferred #MyFavoriteChapter? Sure. Do I hate the Ultramarines? Nah, they're cool. I'm fine with Titus and his whole saga

[finite compass]

I hope the customization lets you do halved or quartered color schemes.

[mild glen]

Nah. Raven Guard wouldn't fit the vibe of SM1/2. I wouldn't like it being a RG game.

Now, having one of your squaddies reveal himself to be Actually Alpharius towards the end game? I would eat that shit up.

[floral herald]

I've seen halved ones, I'm not sure about quarters

[mild glen]

I have seen halved and quartereds in tiktok spoilers.

[thin ibex]

i mean, in sm1, Titus solo romping around with a jump pack to wreck some orks was strong RG energy, just would have had lightning claws and/or talons

[floral herald]

But it might be possible to do those by just swapping the halving on the legs

[finite compass]

On that note, I was considering painting some of my CSM up as Sons of Malice, but that paint scheme would be a pain in the ass

[floral herald]

Ah here we are, from Titan God Machine

[mild glen]

I just finished painting the shoulder pads on one of my T'au breacher teams. I have painted zero other parts of the model. They're still basically Battle Ready.

[floral herald]

The extent of what I knew about em

[finite compass]

God, I love the old black and white comics

[floral herald]

Same

Titan: God Machine checked out of my local library was my introduction to 40k

[mild glen]

Unequivocally, the Ultramarines are the funniest of the First Founding Legions. Because imagine Big E, holding Robutte Guilliman around the shoulder, waving his arm over assembled Space Marines on the Prade Grounds being all "Look, my prized Son! These are my Space Marines. Those are the Dark Angels, sworn to your brother Lion El'Johnson. Over yonder are the Space Wolves, kin of your Brother Lemun Russ. Over there, the Iron Warriors, whose Primarch is still missing. And here, my prized son, my Thirteenth Primarch, are the Legion built from your genetic material: The Blue Ones."

[finite compass]

Deff Skwadron, my beloved.

[thin ibex]

To be fair, none of the marines armor colors were particularly practical

[mild glen]

It's jsut funny that the Legion was named The Blue Ones Ultramarines instead of, like, Storm Scions or whatever.

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WiWKjMceLJgzasvJ.pdf

Points are out for agents

It's gonna be the mother of all scoring armies

With absolutely no ability to kill T12+

[uneven ember]

there was a jokey-funny thing where some of the Primarchs were commiserating over how their Legions wind up with some... colorful members, BobbyG couldn't relate, and there was some debate over whether this is because the XIIIth are "exemplars of the Imperium held to the highest standard" or "white bread in blue armor"

[solemn gull]

I know it would be incoherent as fuck but I would love to make a knightly host of space marines with each marine having their own scheme and heraldry

[rocky shale]

Basically deathwatch

[mild glen]

Sounds like a Dark Angels successor to me.

[soft willow]

This is why you bring a Castellan.

[solemn gull]

Well no they are very unified with only the spot colour being an outlier

[soft willow]

Chapter suggestions as I am painting some Deathwatch soon?

[solemn gull]

I’m saying every marine gets their own scheme because dammmit they are space knights and they will get style

[finite compass]

Any

[solemn gull]

Howling griffin

[finite compass]

Give some love to the lesser known ones.

[mild glen]

Rainbow Warriors

[solemn gull]

Rainbow warriors

LOL

[mild glen]

There is a desire to run a Deathwatch Army and paint them all up as minor chapters and having the Watch Master be a Lamenter, but I don't have the money and I'm not even done with 2,000 points of T'au yet.

[finite compass]

Mortifactors, Raptors, Storm Wardens, Emperor's Scythes,

One very very lost Astral Claw

[floral herald]

Mantis Warrior!

[mild glen]

Novamarines!

[solemn gull]

The astral claw, mantis warrior, and lamenters all seeing each other at the deathwatch lunch hall

[solemn gull]

But honestly just go for ones that are fun to paint. Painting the 100th skull on flat colour is boring so find cool symbols to freehand or cool schemes

[soft willow]

This is all just for ideas. One will be Imperial Fists or Crimson Fists because I like those chapters but more looking for ideas.

Like I probably do a rainbow warrior because y’all echoed it. 😂

[mild glen]

One with a white pauldron and a bright red T'au Fire Sept symbol. They're definitely a Gue'ron'Sh... I mean Astartes. Yes. They are not a Shas'El in an experimental battlesuit.

[soft willow]

I’ll just put a stealth suit in there with a deathwatch paldron on the left side.

[finite compass]

Add a Minotaur or Carcharodon

[mild glen]

Not gunna lie, I was very tempted to paint these breachers with green skin and say that they're orks that joined the Greater Good to get "Da Good Dakka" and the psychic power of the WAAAGH!! starts physically morphing them into T'au because they don't understand the difference between T'au as a species and T'au as an Empire.

[thin ibex]

At least 1 wolfspear. Though I think maybe that'd not look very good

Maybe a Raptor?

[desert jay]

Gah why is it under I for Imperial and not A for Agents

Vindicare is 110 in-army or 150 souped XD

Whoops

[uneven ember]

with her faith she is as an army

[mild glen]

Put her in one of the five rhinos you have inside one other rhino.

[uneven ember]

have I made my rule suggestion that Harlequin transports can carry unlimited number of infantry?

[tired cairn]

This is why Harlequina are strictly forbidden from riding in wheeled vehicles

[desert jay]

Oh I also just realized no one else got special souping points, just Agents

[rocky shale]

I could see them rolling out souping points when the factions get a codex

if they feel its necessary

agents really needed it

[jaunty dawn]

https://x.com/_Jyggalag_/status/1825734136809521267

Jyggalag the Grey Princess of Order (@_Jyggalag_) on X

essentially:

Twitter · Aug 20, 2024, 3:18 AM

mamnta....

[pine matrix]

mamnta

[paper bluff]

I wonder if the tau have to deal with that complicated bucket known as "public opinion"

[pulsar cairn]

Tell me what ship is that and also an example of that happening

[jaunty dawn]

manta! its actually a dropship really though

[pulsar cairn]

Wowie a dropship can do that? What can one meant for battle do i wonder

[jaunty dawn]

while it does also have a lot of gun taking out titans was really the job of like, ax-10 tigersharks

which take the same main armament of 2 heavy railcannons but mount it on a dedicated fighter-bomber chassis

[pulsar cairn]

tau have a lot of cool stuff

Also i imagine a tau ship is a lot cheaper than a titan

[jaunty dawn]

yep!

[mental birch]

Its also a bomber

For some reason the Tau bombers in bfg are labeled manfas

[thin ibex]

yeah, Mantas and their cargo in the tau military represent an entire functional/autonomous fighting force

Unless the lore has changed, effectively a single Manta's forces make up a cadre, multiple cadres can work together to form a contingent, then multiple contingents group together to make a battle, and then again up to a command; and then the commands from each caste makes up a coalition

the concept meant to allow individual cadres a lot of flexibility on the field

[mental birch]

manta White Base

[solemn gull]

Now that would be a great rpg campaign

[tired cairn]

Huh, how is a command associated with a caste if castes are associated with specific battlefield roles?

[thin ibex]

hard to say, as I dont know how different castes act at a cadre level

[jaunty dawn]

seperate castes have entirely seperate command structures

so the commands each also consists of smaller groupings

[thin ibex]

i imagine for air and earth castes their resources get distributed out as well as managing their own specific elements. As for example, its still air caste flying the fire caste mantas; but also air caste makes up all the air power in a region that a command is active in. Earth caste manages a lot of the maintenance and production for the fire caste, but they're also the RnD and development caste for planets and other locations

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think mantas are fire caste

a fire caste cadre is assigned to an air caste manta

but idk it has circles on it

[thin ibex]

yeah no thats fair

in practice its also not like its so neatly divided

in most matters of warfare, the fire caste leads; but that doesnt mean everyone is under their leadership perse

[jaunty dawn]

I think fw and gw had different opinions on if combat aircraft were fire or air

or different opinions on how they are marked, at least

the barracuda has a triangle

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/21/inches-and-icons-what-to-expect-from-the-new-edition-of-kill-team/

More KT news

All bespokes are coming to the new edition!

Compendium teams aren’t

[jaunty dawn]

rip heretic astartes :(

maybe I'll make my own heretic astartes

with spec ops, and specialists

https://tenor.com/view/blackjack-bender-futurama-hookers-gif-25729729

[jovial berry]

Yay!

[jaunty dawn]

playing underworlds with the sisters of slaughter team and two of my fighters (including leader) murdered themeselves cause of a dare gone wrong

[jovial berry]

It’s so joever for us.
<- plays Night Lords kill team

[jaunty dawn]

(this being compendium csm which lets you take 3 marines + 8 cultists and it's really fun)

[jovial berry]

Nods

Sounds fun

[jaunty dawn]

defence is no longer a stat!

[floral herald]

It’d make a great bespoke!

Make it alpha legion themed

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQeLo2oMGEU

Aww, that cut out the bit at the end

and I can't find anything that's not hte full boss fight, so beginning of this. But same vibe. IDK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR56PSnpX_s

[desert jay]

RIP Hive Fleet KT

[floral herald]

Yeah a couple frustrating losses there

[desert jay]

Oh, Talons, GK, and DG are also compedium w/ no bespoke for their faction

[floral herald]

Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Hive Fleet, Stodes

DG have a white dwarf team!

It’s a really inventive one too

[desert jay]

Oh, waha doesn't list it

[floral herald]

Oh wait mb

Crossed wires with Tsons

DG have a really good compendium team though

In terms of flexibility and specialists and such

[desert jay]

AIUI, there is a good Nurgle KT tho, it just doesn't have any DG guys

(Gellerpox)

[dense idol]

the hierotek circle will apparently have gone through two complete overhauls in the time between me buying and finishing them

keeping a loose eye on the state of the Meta™️ between now and then has been a real emotional rollercoaster

[desert jay]

Also where the fuck does SF Justian sit w/ the update?

[floral herald]

They’ll probably stick around

[jaunty dawn]

not guaranteed?

but yeah

[floral herald]

They’re basically white dwarf intercessors with a twist

And I expect that intercessors will stick around

It’d be crazy not to lol

[jaunty dawn]

It'd be nice to make some more basic kts like that tbh

especially with compendium going

[desert jay]

I was about to ask if DW had one then found but they get a special rule in the generic SM compendium one

[floral herald]

Yeah ideally some of the compendiums with no recourse to a boxed KT get updated

[south axle]

Tyranids being without a KT for the beginning of the season is kinda wack

[floral herald]

I’d like to see Talons and DG and DW at least get proper ones

[floral herald]

GSC gives them 2 bangers which is nice but yeah

[thin ibex]

custodes feel like you could do a cool dynamic

like a hunter fight in halo or something

[jaunty dawn]

honetly I think there's a decent chance daemons and tyranids and stodes are just not gonna appear

[south axle]

GSC and LoV having 2 bespoke feels kinda wack as well tbh

[jaunty dawn]

as much as it's not what ppl want

[desert jay]

Did running Talons as just 4 custodes work, or did you really want the body count?

[jaunty dawn]

(it's also kinda funny that I feel like no one ever mentions the lack of daemon kill teams)

[thin ibex]

you wantd bodies

the usual was like 2 stode and the rest as sos

[south axle]

I think a bunch of people want a Nid KT

[thin ibex]

out of nids id like a lictor KT rather than the usual

but theyre high level too

but nids generally dont come across as individualized, autonomous infilitration teams

except for lictors and maybe genestealers

[jaunty dawn]

I think nids might get rules as an adversary in coop though

[thin ibex]

oh is co op a thing thats coming?

[south axle]

Adding Von Ryan's to KT would be fun

[jaunty dawn]

that's what I mean, people don't want kt to never get nids, but I think it's actually likely to be the case

[south axle]

CoOp/Solo is confirmed

[desert jay]

GW is coming for Poorhammer's Horde Mode

(But nah it's a cool addition)

[rocky shale]

Poorhammer guys are gonna have a good laugh

[floral herald]

Daemons have rep via gellarpox but yeah

[floral herald]

Niche setup but had extremely good MUs when they were good

[thin ibex]

i think the big thing was most stuff lost to stodes in a fight, but they struggled to control/complete objectives with their action economy and body count

meanwhile a single bad set of rolls ties em up against a much weaker target, while they use their extra guys to do things

aside from fight

[floral herald]

That’s also my understanding yeah

It was very good vs elites who you can overmatch and kind of auto-lose vs say Chaos Cult where there’s 15 fellas and most of them are awful

[upper bluff]

So this means that there are no admech killteams?

[floral herald]

No Hunter Clade is a boxed (white dwarf) team

Compendium Admech are gone but were already basically invalidated by Hunter Clade

[upper bluff]

Close one

[desert jay]

Waha doesn't even list the compedium one, hah

[jaunty dawn]

yeah the white dwarf ones removed the compendium teams from matched play

[jaunty dawn]

gellerpox and chaos cult are more possessed (other than the glitchlings in gellarpox)

but they're not taking centre stage

[past sphinx]

EXTREME SCRUNGLE DETECTED

[cosmic tulip]

WOAH

[jaunty dawn]

ohh finallyyy

[cosmic tulip]

That’s cool ngl

[past sphinx]

Xenomorph lookin leather enthusiast

[jaunty dawn]

aos mini

[dense sedge]

New assassin?

[jaunty dawn]

no he just shouts at ppl apparently

[rocky shale]

The inquisition loves freaks in gimp suits

[past sphinx]

Building knock off noise marines

[finite compass]

"Inquisitor, can we have a Xenomorph?"
"We have Xenomorph on the ship"

[floral herald]

This guy fucken rules

[jaunty dawn]

the inqusitor himself is so rogue trader too

[soft willow]

I want him for use as a generic inquisitor, but I don't want to subscribe to Warhammer +

[jaunty dawn]

ppl sell them on ebay to subsidise their sub if they dont want them

[soft willow]

Yeah, just annoyed at the markup I'll pay for a couple models because they're "limited"

[upper bluff]

Yeah it's especially dumb that the newest named inquisitor doesn't get added to the codex and is instead a limited model

[soft willow]

Eh, I sorta don't care so much about that given that he won't have special rules and they'd have had to make a second version that was unilaterally available with the codex.

[upper bluff]

Idk dumb is probably too strong but it's weird that they made it subscription instead of trying to sell the codex with a new unit

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah as I was saying elsewhere, a company that sells collectables selling a rarer, fancier collectable is pretty normal.

[jaunty dawn]

its just last years kinda sucked so people stopped thinking about it

[alpine wing]

fresh off of the presses, Skitarii Marshal

[soft willow]

Praise the Omnissiah.

[alpine wing]

going to make him the squad lead of my rangers

and the skitarii alpha that comes with the set can be the 2IC

[solemn gull]

Playing kill team atlas?

[alpine wing]

no

just building

modelling is fun :)

[past sphinx]

I'm sorry we have to duel at dawn

There can only be one

I shall be gracious and bring a second

I don't make the rules

[solemn gull]

Really it should be to see who can hold the earth up for longer

[jaunty dawn]

oh hm

wassat 32 about

[floral herald]

What's that from?

Oh lol its the same article

[desert jay]

Prolly a page/card number

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[soft willow]

Could be base size?

Are Ork Boyz on 32mm bases?