Warhammer and Such

[thin ibex]

other than that, its all space marine standard kit

[jaunty dawn]

pretty sure it was 7th edition

8th edition just gave a new kill team option

7th edition is when like, every faction became a faction

[paper bluff]

Bigger release than imperial knights had. 2 possible models and it was the same kit

[thin ibex]

Thought i suppose OG, the... stormraven i think it was, was a GK model

[jaunty dawn]

harlequins, cult and skitarii as seperate books, gsc, thousand sons as first cult legion, ynnari

[thin ibex]

Harlequins were also a weird book imo, though they are a third distinct faction, they never felt like they'd have that presence on the field like the mainline aeldari

i think GK are also weird not just for range but role

they're not generalist

generalists*

they fight daemons

[jaunty dawn]

5th edition was matt ward makes super marines era

[thin ibex]

thats their one job and specialization

[jaunty dawn]

space wolves and grey knights

[thin ibex]

wasnt matt ward's baby the UM tho?

[jaunty dawn]

massive range releases and ridiculous codexes

[soft willow]

Always has been.

[thin ibex]

The DW too, are specialists, but far more widely applied than the GK, in that they fight aliens.

[jaunty dawn]

oh wait yeah swolves were actuallly phill kelly

but gk was matt ward

[thin ibex]

so its weird a bit when GK goes to battle with everyone

or when DW goes to battle with anyone

makes more sense for GK to show up to kill daemons with a main force of normal imperials

that the GK then have to purge after of course

[jaunty dawn]

thing is like gk became an army in 3rd edition

even before their 5th edition range they had variety and a distinctly different organisation and armoury

and a ton of model support for the time

and it kinda feels weird to be like 'this army that has existed for over 20 years should actually be some other thing'

whereas deathwatch actually were just a unit that sometimes got rules until 7th edition

cancellation of codex xenos hunters notwithstanding

[thin ibex]

yeah thats fair

i think in a practical sense getting rid of htem makes not so much sense

but like

in a narrative sense, i find it a bit weird

that they're an army on their own

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think it's really any weirder than any of the first founding armies

which is to say they are kinda weird yeah

but at the same time they're foundational to the game

[thin ibex]

It's like.. most humans will never see a space marine in their life, and most space marines will never see a grey knight in their life

[jaunty dawn]

and the lore came/comes from the game and not the other way around

predominantly

or to put it another way the goal of the game isnt to represent average forces exclusively

cause like if it was every imperial army would be at least 60% guard haha

[dense sedge]

That’s a cool model

[pulsar cairn]

How much of a problem is a greater daemon? Like great unclean ones and lords of change?

[rocky shale]

Imperial Agents feels like it should be an army more than deathwatch but they didn't have to gut quite so many deathwatch units imo.

[pulsar cairn]

Also AoS minis are really cool

[pastel rampart]

Close to an apocalyptic event that requires all forces available to take out.

Like "fire all the void missiles at" problem.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722865032391819305/1272584173311496343/RDT_20240812_1020495875288763823158395.jpg?ex=66bb81de&is=66ba305e&hm=e542a149ae75ba25097f0824cb586208a732d8208bd9db046b63a8615aeee098&

[pulsar cairn]

Thats insane

[pastel rampart]

Greater Daemons are greater for a reason. They're the representative of their god.

A single one of them can doom an entire world all on their own.

[pulsar cairn]

Boltgun is full of shit

I imagine that's when exterminatus becomes an option?

[tardy vault]

Unfamiliar with Boltgun's plot, but gotta remember that the Warp responds to the emotions of humans. If a Space Marine is sufficiently pissed off and motivated while immersed in it it's not out of the question.

[paper bluff]

https://youtu.be/q4SYtp7GM6E?si=duRhr2ocunQ1aXu1

[tardy vault]

And yes generally when a greater demon shows up exterminatus enters the convoy if it hasn't already because it's not like they appear out of no where. If the Imperium hadn't already killed the planet by that point there was likely a reason for it.

[thin ibex]

as often as a greater daemon gets jobbed, in a narrative sense they are a planetary or sector level threat

despite how often characters get to just wreck em

[paper bluff]

A greater daemon showing up is more a symptom of corruption being past the point of return. If a planet is important enough oh yah they'll try destroying the demon and cleansing the planet on the ground but otherwise things are too far gone

Greater demons have the worf effect though to use a trek term

[thin ibex]

as an example, the entire first war for armageddon had angron and 12 bloodthirsters. Iirc it took like 100 GK terminators, the space wolves, and multiple guard regiments to deal with em

well there were also many other servants of the blood god

but 12 bloodthirsters (which i think was right), is an incredible amount

The Boltgun MC is an outlier

who casually kills multiple greater daemons

and numerous chaos marines

[tardy vault]

Greater Demons are like Hive Tyrants: planet level threats until someone with a name walks in the room

[paper bluff]

There is a reason that titus got picked up by the inquisition after the events of SM 1

[floral herald]

I like the new sanguinary guard but I wish they changed the sanguinor’s doofy pose

It wasn’t that cool then and it isn’t that cool now

[south axle]

YOu don't like the butterrfly?

[upper canopy]

The Boltgun protag being so scary that Gullieman is like "please say that guy has a chip in his brain that explodes or something" is an incredibly funny concept

[floral herald]

That part is cool

[bright dove]

I do think our Boi suffers from a meh paint job tbh. Not enough contrasting colors, unlike stormcasts

[tardy vault]

btw, these guys just posted a fully game of a max rank Vanguard
https://youtu.be/_mU3MXPcfz4?si=0-p86HgzP9KlaZzB

After the first bit it's just gameplay no VO

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSrdmYubl0A

[thin ibex]

deathwatch in phobos feels like a natral fit

natural*

[upper canopy]

Still can't sell me on Phobos armor I'm sorry Space Marine 2

[floral herald]

I think it’s really funny how the SM2 Phobos armor just has their ass out

I don’t know if the models are like that

[finite compass]

Yes

(Also I'm still calling them Devastators and not Heavies. You can't stop me)

[pastel rampart]

Devastators is a much cooler title.

[floral herald]

It’s tricky since they’re multiple units as one class

Eradicators and heavy intercessors and such

But they should have been Devastators I agree

[granite basin]

Heavastators

[pastel rampart]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUx1rY8XkAESywQ?format=jpg&name=large

[unreal cosmos]

SM2 got me wondering, what if all Fire Support units were Gravis?

Certainly looks good with plasma

[thin ibex]

gravis hellblasters

would be sick

[floral herald]

It’s kinda weird that hellblasters aren’t gravis

[ebon forge]

Are those 3D printer lines?

[pastel rampart]

Yup.

[ebon forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PrintedWarhammer/comments/1eqbijd/imperial_knight_on_display_at_warhammer_world/ Sad

https://spikeybits.com/warhammer-40k/yes-games-workshop-3d-prints-all-their-warhammer-minis/ a

[pastel rampart]

Honestly not unexpected.

Plenty of companies do masters in 3D and then print them. This is just a bad QA check.

[ebon forge]

That's fair, thank u <3

[pastel rampart]

Especially for promo pieces, 3D printing is acceptable. You're not going to see print lines in the final plastic models.

[past sphinx]

There's bigass printer lines on a lot of the HH forgeworld stuff

My adrastite spears had em baaaaaad

Aswell as the HH alpha legion sniper

Plastic kits seem to have an extra pass over them in the mold process

[pastel rampart]

Oof, geez yeah right on the helmet too.

FW QA has always been shit so I'm not terribly surprised.

[ebon forge]

Fuuuuuck
And they are expensive af, rigt?

[past sphinx]

Better than you think worse than you hope

Hes 60 bucks

3/4's of a demon prince

[ebon forge]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2078450/Warhammer_40000_Speed_Freeks/ this is free <3

Steam

Warhammer 40,000: Speed Freeks

In the 41st Millennium, a kult of unhinged, speed-obsessed Orks addicted to racing has gathered to engage in raucous and breakneck races during rare lulls between open warfare. They call themselves SPEED FREEKS. Intoxicated by the sound of roaring engines, blistering speed, suffocating smoke, whipping winds and scorching fire, these Speed Freeks...

▶ Play video

[thin ibex]

its barebones but its pretty fun

and i dont know about any other car combat games currently out there

[past sphinx]

Weirdly my necromunda fw stuff has been perfect and my HH stuff has been fucked

Munda stays winning i guess?

[ebon forge]

It's the warp corrupting the models /n

[ebon forge]

Yeah, for an open beta, is fine.

[thin ibex]

as far as i know its actually the full 1.0 release no?

oh no its the early access i see

[past sphinx]

I apologize these are perfect

The magazine is just incredible

[tepid stratus]

When the mag doubles as a buckler lol

[solemn gull]

This is how you get your arm blown off

[jaunty dawn]

most reasonable magazine in 40k award

[cosmic tulip]

what

[cosmic tulip]

Tau mags are pretty chill ngl

[past sphinx]

Gods perfect weapon

[jaunty dawn]

gonna be really interesting to see how they do vespid in kill team tbh

cause like their whole identity is flying plasma gunners

which is kinda a nightmare in kt

[junior robin]

simple, air battle with plastic cloud terrain pieces

[rocky shale]

Jump scions in agents plz :))))

Then if we're doing jump infantry, warp spiders and swooping hawks

[unreal cosmos]

I'm curious if all the bruhaha is because they're doing a new edition

[jaunty dawn]

quite possibly

hopefully one like warcry 2e

[floral herald]

This is also my favorite detail on them

Practical in a nonsense way

[floral herald]

That’s the rumor consensus

That the next stuff is kill team 3e

[rocky shale]

I cant wait for all my existing kill teams to be unplayable :)))))))

[thin ibex]

Vespid isn't plasma gunners tho? They're the pulse shotgun guys before pulse shotgun guys existed

But a full flying team with really powerful cqc weapons does seem a challenge

[rocky shale]

vespids dont have plasma strength but they are AP-2 D2

[past sphinx]

Vespids always loved eating marines

MEQ munchers

[thin ibex]

If they interacted with the tau empire rules, I think they'd still be quite good

They're fun backline harassers as is, but lack the oomph that breachers have

[balmy wave]

They're basically only good for dealing with those infantry artillery

Things like guard FOBs, CSM Havocs, SM Devastators, etc

Definitely their title of "marine munchers" is still true

[desert jay]

WRT DW codex, DW was also left out back in 3e/4e too when Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters came out and Alien Hunters was planned but never released

[pulsar cairn]

Could i power a ship by attaching a bunch of orks to it's engine?

[bright dove]

Not for very long.

[pulsar cairn]

Thats not a no!

[cosmic tulip]

Thermorkdynamics

[bright dove]

That's Thergorkdynamics!

[solemn gull]

No that would be counterproductive

[floral herald]

The only reliable outcome here is a fight

That’s the first law of thermorkdynamics

[pulsar cairn]

I'll setup an Arena at the engine room

I'll get a bunch of teef

Offer it as a prize to the last Ork standing

[floral herald]

See this is a common misconception - the Orks may not want to fight each other

[solemn gull]

And they will turn your engine into a mech to murderize everything

[finite compass]

'COURSE YA CAN! JUST REVERSE DA PO-LAIR-ROAR-TAH UV DA TELLYPORTA, AN' JAM DA WEIRDBOY INNA TORPEDO TUBE!

[desert jay]

Orks will fight each other small-scale to establish dominance or for idle entertainment but it's really not the same as a good WAAAGH

[tired cairn]

Maybe you give the orks a bunch of grots and convince them it would be fun to throw them out the back of the ship

[solemn gull]

I think they would blow a hole in your ship and suck everyone into space

[upper bluff]

I feel like if someone tries to make like an Ork matrix and harvest their brain power it would still backfire

Like an entire false reality of krumpin and they would krump so hard they would break free in like a day

[desert jay]

Tangent, but imagining a (technically renegade) hive world that went "wait, we're not good at fighting but we can do the boring stuff so you all have more time for fighting" and is now handling logistics for an Ork band

And they don't even make many weapons because they found out if they just send over random civilian equipment and vehicles the Meks have more fun tearing it apart to rebuild into Orky machines

[solemn gull]

That’s great until the orks decide they want more than you can supply

[bold halo]

god help me I'm getting the urge to convert stormcast into the gaudiest blood angels

I don't need or want space marines

[tired cairn]

That's just more propulsion! The question was only about powering the engine

[bold halo]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-CA/shop/karazai-the-scarred-2021

also damn this is just a legit good dragon mini I didn't know about

[uneven ember]

oh yeah that is stylin'

[unreal cosmos]

it's very good

[paper bluff]

and you're telling me you don't think these aren't just as good?

[bold halo]

I have a lot of love for those guys, I just already knew about them

[pastel rampart]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Egrimm_Van_Horstman_auf_Baudros.jpg

I still want this baddie

[bold halo]

back when I played dark elves in 8th ed fantasy I butchered the wings off an already busted up malekith's dragon to make the most incredible dark pegasus that I never ended up using

idk where it ended up but it was uh

[cosmic tulip]

Hear me out

Skaven cities of Sigmar kitbash project

[bold halo]

one of the horses from this wood elf kit plus wings that each were like 2x the size of the horse lmao

it came together really nicely though, like the proportion sat in the "you can actually imagine this thing flying" zone

pretty sure the dragons of the time all used the same wings but this was the donor

[past sphinx]

to achieve?

[cosmic tulip]

Kinda

Like skaven with cos parts and cos with skaven bits

Have it be like a city of reformed skaven

[past sphinx]

so skaven without skaven

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah true

I just want cool warpicks

[bold halo]

skaven have pretty dramatically different proportions to human/elf/dwarf minis

[cosmic tulip]

The Steelhelm Champions have warpicks but they’re not like.. based like the stormvermin are

[past sphinx]

get 30 3d printed warpicks and bash em

thats what i do

[cosmic tulip]

Oh

That’s true

[pastel rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/488515889952456704/1272706869059911711/IMG_4693.png?ex=66bbf423&is=66baa2a3&hm=95c2d82a77c7a2a779c0f3eb1017ab051d595ca83048aaef4332cc0bd80b4930&

[cosmic tulip]

LMAO

[floral herald]

learning a lot

[past sphinx]

Cthonia got glassed right?

[floral herald]

I believe so

Watching some less edited coop SM2

The enemy director kinda doesn't fuck around on higher diff

A lot of the footage I'd see was on lower diff and looked kind of boring but damn

It puts a lot of pressure on with enemy spawns and ammo feels like a real constraint

At least with this multi-melta

[dense sedge]

multi melta feels like an ammo intensive weapon tbf

[floral herald]

Yeah

Oh huh if you kill all the big bugs it kills and debuffs the small ones

[soft willow]

Love that you can actually use your knowledge of synapse creatures effectively.

[bright dove]

Turn off the Synapse, just like you should.

[floral herald]

Yeah 100%

lmfao

The tech priest SLOWLY lowering the bomb into the hole for this mission segment is pleasing the machine god by lowing the bomb with sub-nanometer precision which is why its slow as fuck

[desert jay]

"Pleasing the machine god by slowly inserting the thing into the hole", got it

[floral herald]

bonk bonk bonk bonk

[soft willow]

Honestly he should just like stop lowering it to pray for a whole ass minute for no reason.

[floral herald]

I think that also happens

[soft willow]

Praise the Omnissiah.

[floral herald]

There's a part where he's like "ok time for the data choir" and then shuts up for a while

[soft willow]

Got a link to this?

[floral herald]

https://youtu.be/o__ATW7axJA?t=1198

It's this hold

Ah it's "Begin the chorus of locomotion, Adepts"

After you fix the crane

[upper canopy]

Giving this to the World War Z people was

the best thing ever

genuinely

[floral herald]

This footage was apparently on difficulty 2/4

So there's a lot of space for it to go more sicko mode

[desert jay]

The space marine somersaults are a little goofy tho

[floral herald]

yeah

[desert jay]

I wish it was like... shoves and tackles to push through a crowd of gaunts

[floral herald]

There's a bunch of "rush forward out of sprint" melee moves for that but I don't think heavy gets them

One of the tricky things is that no one is playing that well

[desert jay]

Yeah I sorta wish that was a replacement for a dodgeroll button

[floral herald]

Like the power fist has like 10 combos

And I've mostly just seen people do the basic spam one

[thin ibex]

Hmm want to make an sm theme list, someone hit me with some inspo?

[soft willow]

Boltermania.

[dense sedge]

Watching the video they don’t seem to be using their sidearm for smaller mobs either

[floral herald]

Yeah, which is making ammo management on the MM hard

[tired cairn]

There were some weird choices made in the Speed Freaks picker. I do like how the vehicle that looks like a boat has the most damage output if you fire broadside though

[dense sedge]

Weird like what?

[tired cairn]

Like what color slot applies to which parts of the tank. I find it annoying sometimes lol

Also it can be hard to tell where a color slot is sometimes

[soft willow]

Now do it but with a Knight Castigator splashed in for a bigger bolter.

[pulsar cairn]

he's just a lil guy

[junior robin]

finally, the light flamer.

guess its a HQ for mechanicum in HH

or iron warriors primaris lieutenant

[topaz elk]

Did Votann ever get a second wave of models?

I haven’t looked at 40K in a while

[jaunty dawn]

not yet

they got a

store anniversary alternate boss guy

and Yaegirs from kill team

[topaz elk]

Oh ok

[jaunty dawn]

which are like same subfaction stylings as the biker dudes

[topaz elk]

Ah so like, leather coats and revolvers and that style?

[jaunty dawn]

yee

they're pretty cool

[topaz elk]

Oh that is kinda rad

Wait one of them has a fucking crossbow?

That’s rad

[rocky shale]

Coworker getting rid of a whole dark vengeance box for $30 >_>

Slowly lucking my way into a csm army

[past sphinx]

Holy hell

[rocky shale]

Also a 9th ed starter kit so some like random necrons/sm models

But idgaf about those and will probably just give them away to lure someome in to playing 40k

[unreal cosmos]

Goddamn

[thin ibex]

here a fun concept for a list

multi mode weapons only, as much as possible

missile launchers, swords with sweep and strike, etc

why be good at one thing when you can be bad at two?

[balmy wave]

They call that "playing Knights"

[soft willow]

Nah, Knights weapons are mostly monopurpose.

The strike/sweep options are both good, though really sweep is a situational use one and you're going to use strike 80% of the time without more thought.

[thin ibex]

im trying to think of how many models actually have multi modes and if the list is actually possible

most of them are launchers of some kind

[balmy wave]

Some of the cooler sword infantry

[desert jay]

Also plasma weapons with an overcharge mode

[soft willow]

Plas/Missiles probably gets you most of the way there in a Space Marine list.

[thin ibex]

Huh dark angels secret multi mode masters?

Plasma, missiles, two mode swords

[rocky shale]

Dark reaper and Aeldari missile launcher spam list

[thin ibex]

ngl i actually think the aeldari missile launcher is gas

love that thing

i know brightlances are the shit

but missile launchers are where its at for me

war walker with twin missiles? Hell yeah

[ebon forge]

Are we getting a new Kill Team version or njust more stuff for 2?
Because NGL is gonna be pretty sad to just ditch all the unique stuff for 2 ;w;

[jaunty dawn]

no idea

but given warcry got one 3 years after it released its likely kill team will follow suit this year

best case scenario if there is a new edition it wont involve leaving anything behind, like warcry was pretty much able to do

theres also the fact that theyre hyping this up a lot more than previous season releases

[ebon forge]

that's good!
I like killteam was able to bring a lot of niches into a playable state, like the Daemon worshippers that transform mid battle

[jaunty dawn]

i am anxious but cautiously optimistic haha

[ebon forge]

I have yet to play on tabletop simulator cuz anxiety
But yeah i am looking forward~

[floral herald]

It’s I think very unlikely that they’ll just invalidate all the models from KT2

[runic swallow]

GW rarely fully invalidates old models unless the whole range is deleted

And even then, they usually are still okay as proxy models

[tired cairn]

This is the first kill team edition to use dedicated models right?

[jaunty dawn]

wdym

[tired cairn]

Previous ones just used models from the standard range iirc. But this one has actually dedicated teams

So there is more of a reason to port them to future editions

[jaunty dawn]

oh you mean the first game

or edition or whatever

[tired cairn]

Oh whoops

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[tired cairn]

Yes I missed a few words

[jaunty dawn]

yeah kt21 is like an actually seperate game

[balmy wave]

Yes this edition of KT has bespoke kits that go hard as fuck sometimes

[jaunty dawn]

shadow war armageddon and kt18 technically were but functionally they were just more extensive modifications of the contemporary 40k rules

like they had their own books and profiles but they were still just a 40k game mode at their core

[balmy wave]

For example, technically the basic CSM legionaries are a KT, hence their customisable kit and honestly cooler posing

[jaunty dawn]

legionaries are an upgrade sprue warband actually

chaos range just fucks

but the kt sprue does make them even better

[balmy wave]

Chaos armies in 40K are just so significantly better than other 40K armies that it's not even funny

In terms of visuals

AoS is a much more level playing field on the models side

[past sphinx]

You know I think the gw team just doesn't handle gold well

Studio lights and such

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[solemn gull]

Oh they turned the jetpack wings into tiny flaps

I hate it

[floral herald]

I like it personally

[jaunty dawn]

I don't mind the flaps in general but like

sanguinary guard!!!

sanguinary guard!!!!!!!!!!!

they have wings!

it's their thing!

[ebon forge]

I sincerely don't like the chest and boots much, looks ... too simple? You know, the old ones were better

[finite compass]

That is not a Sanguinary Guard

That's a Stormcast Eternal with a Jump Pack

I don't even play BA, or Space Marines in general, and I'm wincing at the redesign.

[balmy wave]

But Thunderstrike armour looks good

As does Custodian armour

[jaunty dawn]

yeah no again this is just mean to stormcast

stormcast always looked good

it's not stormcast's fault that jump intercessor painted gold a sanguinary guard does not make

honestly it's really dumb cause like if they wanted to do something this basic they could've saved a ton of money on molds by just making a jump intercessor upgrade sprue instead of the same kit but slightly different

[upper canopy]

Launch stormcast did not look good

Cannot get behind this

[balmy wave]

Ehhh, that chunky first wave armour is a tad iffy IMO

Oddly it looks better in other colours

[unreal cosmos]

I think the new Sangs look fine but I also was not that invested in the originals, I like the lil' wings but I see how it's a breaking point for others

The weapons look choice though

[jaunty dawn]

not every early stormcast looks good but they had good models from the beginning

and even the like

[balmy wave]

Yeah, the models went hard almost immediately

[jaunty dawn]

worst stormcast model at least had Shape

[balmy wave]

Stardrakes

And Dracoths

[jaunty dawn]

also very fun to paint

[balmy wave]

And actually I love the old paladins

[past sphinx]

its just so painfully orange, they needed some ochre in there to balance it out, funny enough one of the 360 models on the page for guard is very good

gold like a foil wrapper

[untold swallow]

https://youtu.be/wpa2nvU6ZLU

"That shrieking at the edge of your fading senses? The Gods are coming for you, hero. They are coming for your soul."```

[past sphinx]

lord help me not post "Gabriel seth was right" memes like its the day primaris got released

i may be cringe

but i am not that cringe

[floral herald]

I guess I'm unusually warm to the new design haha

I agree that the paint job is wonky but I like how they look more similar to the HH-era models for the sanguinary guard and such

[past sphinx]

they played it very safe with some very scrungle dudes

its the helmets for me mostly tbh

yeah the wings being gone is a little lame but the spears are cool and the poses are good but man the unit known for the death masks having cooler bareheads than helmets is weird

[floral herald]

That's fair yeah

[past sphinx]

hell old stormcast would probably go pretty nice as a replacement head

[floral herald]

Definitely

I'm kind of torn here because I personally didn't really like the huge crests behind the helmets on the older models but I have kind of come around on them being iconic

And the new ones trim them down a lot

[past sphinx]

they look like the holders for a proper hair/fur crest

like centurions off parade

the old ones are a nimbus like showing their literal angels with a halo, light rays and all like from a painting

[floral herald]

They remind me of frescoes

I thought they were doofy when they came out in (checking lexi) 2010 but also my aesthetic tastes have changed a lot since then

[past sphinx]

tuneing back the baroque'ness of the most annoying baroque fucks in the setting is a choice

espeically after bladeguard

ESPICALLY after the rad shit they did for the templars lmao

they got all the cool toys

naturally jealous of any army that can take just a fuckload of shotguns

[floral herald]

BTs got probably the best crop of specific chapter primaris models yeah

The new Sword Brethren are so cool

[desert jay]

DA's Inner Circle Companions are also pretty rad

[floral herald]

Yeah

[past sphinx]

the Dangles terminators are great for what they are

hope grey knights get something to get them up to snuff like that

[unreal cosmos]

I honestly think part of the issue here is just that DA and BT have a stronger aesthetic hook

[floral herald]

Maybe, I thought the 5e death company models were awesome and made a great “upgrade sprue”

[past sphinx]

someone just made an entirely spure warhound

[desert jay]

The Deathwing Knights are good but they don't esp stand out from normal termies. Like you can tell them apart but they're not "new cool thing"

[finite compass]

My favorite Oldhammer moment

Is seeing somebody actually CREEEEEEEEEED a Warhound

Tactical Genius. Any unit has Scouts. Any. Unit. No restrictions.

[floral herald]

I played a lot in 5e but I’m not sure I ever saw Creed

[floral herald]

Which is just strange to be clear - there were 2-3 guard regulars at my lgs

[soft willow]

Have you seen the spruehound titan?

[finite compass]

No, I have not.

[floral herald]

I am curious to see it

Ok this is wild

Just glue legos

[finite compass]

My god.

[floral herald]

Super cool honestly

[soft willow]

The budget way to have a GT legal Titan.

[tired cairn]

Not sure if legos makes it that budget

[runic swallow]

No it’s sprue clippings, so if you’re using your old ones or getting em from other people it miiiiight come out kinda cheap?

[verbal ermine]

oh damn

[upper bluff]

That looks so good oh my god

[paper bluff]

I do wonder about the weapon arms

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1er95xm/the_spruehound_is_complete/ Well he got the arms to work somehow

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this old 2k thousand sons list im looking st revamping?

3x exalted Sorcerer, warpflame pistol, prosperine khopesh, one has the umbralific crystal
3x infernal master, one has arcane vortex

3x5 rubric marines, bolters+soulreaper cannon
3x5 rubric marines, warpflamers

3x tzaangor enlightened, greatbows (only included due to extra points)

2x mutualith vortex beasts
3x forgefiends, autocannons, ectoplasma cannons.

1995/2000 pts
18 cabal points

[thin ibex]

Seems fine to me tbh

[spice flicker]

This is a list that is probably around 6-8 months old and so wasn't sure if it was still good or would benefit with some changes or not.

[rocky shale]

Infernal masters are a little underwhelming but the list seems fine

[thin ibex]

I like a non magnus ts list

What do the internal masters do again?

[spice flicker]

Glimpse of Eternity (Psychic) Once per turn, you can change the result of one Hit roll, one Wound roll, one Damage roll or one saving throw made for this model to an unmodified 6.

Malefic Maelstrom (Psychic) While this model is leading a unit, weapons equipped by models in that unit have the [SUSTAINED HITS 1] ability.

(One infernal is equiped with this) Arcane Vortex THOUSAND SONS model only. Add 1 to the Strength and Damage characteristics of Psychic weapons equipped by the bearer.

Screamer Invocation - focused witchfire 18" 2D6 N/A S6 AP-2 D1 Hazardous, Psychic, Torrent

Screamer Invocation - witchfire 18" 2D3 N/A S6 AP-2 D1 Psychic, Torrent

[thin ibex]

All of those things seem pretty decent

Especially for guaranteeing a hit or wound roll

[spice flicker]

Too bad they can't use it on the number of attacks for their rubrics who have flamers (which doesn't mesh with the sustained) or their own screamer Invocation for attacks.

Though that Invocation is strong on the arcane vortex IM since they're essentially carrying S7 AP-2 D2 heavy flamers with 2d3 or 2d6 shots if you're brave with hazardous.

[thin ibex]

Yall think they'll add an eviscerator to sm2 in dlc?

[spice flicker]

It'd be neat if they did

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1273324815817900053/IMG_6516.png?ex=66be33a5&is=66bce225&hm=68bd1324b94e91f593b629d0f25bad8660e34fb28508b7e153f9262be741b5ca&

[solemn gull]

Acting like the space wolves didn’t turn the thousand sons to chaos

[quaint compass]

Magnus did nothing wrong
-# he just can't do anything right

[balmy wave]

No no, that's not quite it

Magnus did nothing wrong

He was told to do nothing but did that wrong

[paper bluff]

The spicier take is that Peter turbo did everything right

[balmy wave]

I mean tbh he did do exactly as told until he joined the Heresy

[thin ibex]

Tbh Peter turbo kinda carried on the heretic side too

[balmy wave]

I've been told that's an exaggeration, but it's certainly true that the Iron Warriors retreating from Terra meant everyone else started losing BADLY

The other thing that caused that is that Horus' death meant the Dark Gods lost arguably the strongest conduit for their power ever?

So their reach into reality - through Horus - was torn away in an instant

Daemons discorporated quickly after, and many other chaos champions were weakened by the loss of the Dark Gods' touch

[floral herald]

It is true that at around the same time as the IW retreat everyone starts losing badly

[balmy wave]

So it's entirely possible the IW just had the foresight to cut their losses and skedaddle

While everyone else was getting carried away

[floral herald]

Not just possible - Peter’s warp sight let him see the Fuck Zone coming before space turn collapsed and bail

[thin ibex]

Also I think Peter turbo was like "I cracked the uncrackable fortress, the rest is on yall."

"I did what I set out to do, peace"

[balmy wave]

Ah of course

Peter B.M. Turbo

Whether BM stands for Bad Manners or Bare Minimum depends on his mood

[upper canopy]

I love how Perty has one of the best W-L records

[thin ibex]

You know what the heresy failed to do after pert did his job? Seal the deal

[past sphinx]

they had a perfectly good chance at glassing ultramar when they had the chance

and look whats happened smh

[paper bluff]

World eaters were just attacking whatever was in front of them, the emps children were making drugs from civilians, idk what the death guard and sons were doing

And the word bearers were doing stuff

[upper canopy]

Perty won against:
Dorn Twice
Angron

who else

[runic swallow]

Lot of guys during the Crusade but that’s everyone

[floral herald]

His chair

[runic swallow]

Oh, Fulgrim, slammed him full in the face with a clockwork Warhound model

[desert jay]

Death Guard: "welp I guess it's plague time"

[floral herald]

The DG nearly took the Astronomicon

That was kind of their major strategic thing

[paper bluff]

And an iron warrior held one

[floral herald]

?

[desert jay]

AIUI, Morty was coming to help the loyalists and then his ships got infested with 500 various plagues and shit and now they all need Nurgle's favor to not die

Oh wait no I misremembered

[rocky shale]

Death guard were moving up the board 5" at a time

[desert jay]

Forgot Morty had already turned traitor, he was on the Sic Semper Tyrannis grindset against Emps

[paper bluff]

Barabas Dantioch and the pharos

[floral herald]

Oh a different one yeah

[past sphinx]

Man grows up trying to dethrone his imperialist tyrant father, actual imperialist tyrant father shocked when he tries it a second time

[paper bluff]

You know typhus never struck me as a jovial sort. I wonder why nurgle... was it the acceptance

?

[dense sedge]

I hope that with both AoS and 40k getting new editions that we’ll get new minor demon core units and leader heralds

[pastel rampart]

Out of all of them I think Daemonettes need an update the most.

Bloodletters came out at the same time but have aged a lot better, but daemonettes are really static in a line where damn near every other slaaneshi unit is dynamic.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Daemons Ah yeah, plaguebearers came out 5 years later, pink horrors 2 years later.

[untold swallow]

It also won’t change the fact you hate psykers but your chapter are coping about having them by calling them rune priests, Russ XD

[paper bluff]

If anything, the thousand sons didn't have the copium to say they were getting power from not the warp

[untold swallow]

I don’t really like tsons except Ahriman

So I take no umbrage with that statement lol

And I like Ahriman because he’s a colossal nerd fuckup

[untold swallow]

The most based moment in Warhammer history

[paper bluff]

You know, we never hear about iron warriors psykers, same with iron hands

[untold swallow]

Probably exist but offscreen

I imagine you can field basic sorcerers in iron warrior or hands armies

Just not Chapter-unique varieties

[floral herald]

https://fixupx.com/mikefranchina_/status/1823798479631855661?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[dense sedge]

Ahriman is great, I love tsons lore

But I unfortunately don’t like their mortal sigmar units

[paper bluff]

The tzeechgors?

[untold swallow]

Their cultist hangers on suck imo

Also their demons are meh

[dense sedge]

Gors and the kairics

Meanwhile slaanesh has great mortals

[paper bluff]

The "need to take a battleline unit to have different units" is a rough ruling

[dense sedge]

I think each should get a new Desmond unit as well

[thin ibex]

"But I had good reasons, honest!"

Right.

[balmy wave]

That's

Well

Lore-accurats

[floral herald]

Vermintide arc

[rocky shale]

Casual 1200 models

[floral herald]

I think its funny that you can make a legal single unit in AoE with like 150 models in it

[peak olive]

I can only thing of those Luke Correia Forest friends video

https://youtu.be/Y6GeImJ6AxY?si=mpnk7GngemmBnRrj

[past sphinx]

none studio lights really let this boy pop

barefoot and tiddys out

[solemn gull]

The power armour toe sculptor artisan on Baal had a field day with these guys

[floral herald]

Yeah especially with all the cream white on the wings the dimmer lighting does a lot for it

[paper bluff]

He really do be having titties

[solemn gull]

Because it’s a death mask do you think they’ve all been rocking that haircut on the helmets for 10k years

If so damn that’s a commitment to the look

[verbal ermine]

holy shit it has different weapons

I can see bolters, plasma guns, turbo lasers, AND flamers

good lord

[runic swallow]

Give the man his armor nipples back 😭

[soft willow]

Nothing is stopping you from adding nipples to him.

[thin ibex]

So I feel like... incursors are a better stand in for grey hunters than intercessors

Dual knives, fancy bolters. Scout movement, haywire mines for AT

[thin ibex]

Tried to make a bread and butter wolf list

[untold swallow]

man

I wish TSons had any theme but

Egyptian

[thin ibex]

Why's that?

Cause necrons got it too?

[untold swallow]

It's cuz it looks fucking dumb in their case

[thin ibex]

Ahh a taste situation. That's valid, I disagree though

[untold swallow]

idk it feels

plastic

and... kinda tasteless?

It's very '~oooo the spooky weird egyptians who believed in magic and had weird burial practices different to Us, oooo~'

[thin ibex]

I could see tasteless, but I think it's a vibe, and a lot of 40k aesthetic isn't exactly deeply tasteful

[untold swallow]

I mean fair

on the 'not deeply tasteful' statement

I think I just have a general distaste for the uninvolved variety of pastiche Warhammer does with some factions

Like I don't have this complaint with the Sisters

Cuz with the Sisters it feels like the writers did kind of genuinely ask themselves "how do we visually express 'nuns in grimy space fantasy that we gave rocket guns and faith magic'

Their pastiche of nunnery and Catholicism seems more involved

Than the pastiche of ancient egypt tsons are doing

Why is Saint Celestine a continuously reviving angel of the emperor? There's an answer that lies in the pastiche

[thin ibex]

Space vikings, but the pop culture/nu version
Space Mongols on motorcycles
An entire Regiment of Rambo
Big green soccer hooligans

[untold swallow]

Why does Ahriman in the HH era have an eye of horus on his mask?

who knows lmao

big green soccer hooligans is at least funny lol

The Wolves are given similar ire/critique to the tsons in my eyes lol

[thin ibex]

I kinda miss "they're just ww2 Russian army but in 40k"

[untold swallow]

and the white scars feel like adapting the pastiche of mongols to 40k, cuz they're still mostly mounted raiders (at least in lore GW)

and

Fuck I hate Catachans

I fucking hate Catachans

Jesus

XD

[thin ibex]

Lol

[desert jay]

What if I miss "19th century Russian army but 40k"?

[thin ibex]

Completely fair, I buy into how silly the caricatures are so I don't share the hate

[untold swallow]

Separately

[thin ibex]

I miss them too

[untold swallow]

I love Kriegers, conceptually

Because they adapt the horror of WW1 into 40k

With the added spice of their regiment being such a meatgrinder that there's a rumor they're all literal clones

All but faceless

[thin ibex]

I dislike how kriegers eclipsed both the steel legion and the valhallans in aesthetic and role, respectively

[desert jay]

Who wouldn't love this guy?

[thin ibex]

Because the valhallans were doing unshiftable, stubborn, fight to the last man Regiment

Then the kriegers got that + siege stuff

[untold swallow]

I think Kriegers are more 'unceasing tide of meat' than fight to the last man

I admittedly know very little about Valhallans and the Steel Legion

[thin ibex]

Well they're more commonly attributed to being unbreakable despite the valhalllan claim to the fame

[untold swallow]

But to me they were more 'hothtrooper.jpeg' and 'WW1/2 American tankers'

[thin ibex]

Steel Legion is aesthetically simular, but combat style is very different. They're the premier heavily mechanized Regiment, focused on combined arms light armor and mobile infantry

The chimera is like... their baby

[untold swallow]

Yeah

mechanized infantry and tankers

I think this is less a case of 'Kriegers stole their identity' and more 'Kriegers are just more popular'

Which sucks, to be clear!

[thin ibex]

Well it's more like kriegers for the same broad "gas masks and trench coats" but once Armageddon stepped out of the limelight, the Kriegs stepped in and got more popular. Which I dislike cause I like the steel legion

[untold swallow]

I think GW needs to like

implement a system of rotation

for their authors & shit

anyways

god

tsons

low-effort egypt pastiche

pain

[thin ibex]

I loved their wood furnished lasguns

It is a bit of a funny that the tzeentch legion, God of change, has a consistent aesthetic drawn from their home world

[untold swallow]

I just wish they went harder into the Egypt stuffs

but all the ways I can think of are

just Necrons

[thin ibex]

It's kind of unfortunate that necrons rock it a bit better, but I like tsons vibe myself

[untold swallow]

I'm trying to think of another pastiche I'd have liked to see in the place of the attempt at Egypt

while trying to think of interesting juxtapositions to the wolves, cuz of the whole

y'know

A Byzantine vibe could've been interesting

[thin ibex]

Ottoman maybe?

[untold swallow]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pale narwhal]

classic fantasy wizards

big hats, staves, robes, but in power armour

[untold swallow]

Unironically vibe

[finite compass]

:|

Don't you shittalk my boys.

[thin ibex]

They're allowed to hate em lol, I like em personally

They're very very silly

[finite compass]

They are EXTREMELY silly

That's why I love them

[thin ibex]

Yeah

[finite compass]

And they have actual personality

Krieg also suffers from their lore being overshadowed by stupid memes.

But yeah, still have the old 3rd Ed. Catachan codex around here somewhere.

The special rule for Catachan Commissars always cracked me up.

Commissars assigned to Catachan regiments have an infamously high attrition rate.

So they had a special rule that for every Commissar in the army, you roll a d6 before deployment. On a 1, the Commissar has suffered an 'unfortunate accident' and is removed as a casualty.

Called 'Oops, Sorry Sir'

[bright dove]

I love classic Warhammer and its casual approach to balance

[finite compass]

And the old Jungle Fighting rules

Which were just straight up "Fighting in a jungle just plain sucks for everybody who isn't a Catachan or a Kroot'

It's like in any area of jungle terrain (which was most of the board) it counts as difficult terrain and you can't see more than 6" through it. Unless you're a Catachan or Kroot, in which case there's no movement penalty and you can see 12"

So basically it was all about controlling roads and clearings

[finite compass]

I have fond memories of the old LatD list and it's random leadership

Because for every unit of mutants or traitors you have the spectrum between the die hard fanatics who are willing to give their life for the Chaos Gods, to the ones who were basically just handed a lasgun and told "Shoot those guys or else."

So everybody had between 10 and 5

[pale narwhal]

renegades & heretics was a fun faction. Not good, just flavourful and fun

[finite compass]

Oh yeah, it was anything but competitive.

But it was very fluffy

[thin ibex]

"You can fit as many orks as can physically stack onto the truck"

[finite compass]

Remember how in 3e Ork Lootas actually took weapon options from Imperial squads?

Including sniper rifles

Which would only hit on a 4+

Because Orks had 'a tendency to fire them from the hip'

[thin ibex]

I do feel like looted tanks were cool, but also a lot of ork stuff was "don't play orks unless you know how to kitbash and also buy from other factions extensively"

Which I don't think was good or sustainable

[finite compass]

I do think they overcorrected too far in the other direction though

[thin ibex]

I'm of the opinion that while I liked the chunky nature of the rules at times, I like that the game is more playable and approachable enough that I don't think it's too far

I miss the old shokk attack gun, for example, but I like the game better now

In terms of general balance, learnability and playability

So I can do without the cooler shokk attack gun

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799328174214479993/1273494510097272893/IMG_20240814_211054_418.jpg?ex=66bed1af&is=66bd802f&hm=01e20730782605f70eb6e803a6119afb00aacc9597e18f2ff647672e5bd6159a&

[unreal cosmos]

I'm currently tempted to get the Dark Angels upgrade sprue for my knightly homebrew chapter. However, a lot of the bits are embossed with the broken/winged sword. I was wondering if anyone had experience removing or just modifying those? It struck me that if I could fill in the gap in the sword it instantly becomes a little more generic

[paper bluff]

Snipping, sanding, and trimming is good

[paper bluff]

Necron Spyders from Mars

[uneven ember]

hell yah

[peak olive]

Wait there’s a new faction?

[tired cairn]

Imperial Agents got a codex. So only technically

[peak olive]

Wasn’t the inquisition already a faction?

[tired cairn]

Could you take them as an army before?

[unreal cosmos]

Not recently

[desert jay]

Technically you could, but they didn't have detachments

There was one guy who played them in some major tourneys over the last year

[paper bluff]

Lost 2 index, gained one codex

[floral herald]

I think the old agents “army” was mostly a way to launder more infantry into IKs

For those tourney lists

[soft willow]

The new one isn't also this?

[paper bluff]

Listen! You're correct. But it makes me sad to read it

[upper bluff]

It absolutely still is but if you want a worse army now you can launder knights into an infantry army

[desert jay]

Hey, also murdersticks (assassins) into all the other imperial armies

[upper bluff]

Like I was expecting Imperial Agents to get the Castigator as a main battle tank. But nope nothing

[desert jay]

Well, one assassin was taken for the vect-ing more than the murder until it was nerfed

[upper bluff]

You get one lascannon Corvus's and twin Melta immolators and that's it

[soft willow]

Honestly a Castellan in an Agents army using Imperialis Fleet probably slaps.

[paper bluff]

The ordo xenos inquisitor was also jokingly called one of the best custodes unit

[desert jay]

I also learned recently that the generic inquisitor, the only model that can take half the enhancements in the agents codex, is both finecast resin and not available on the webstore

(Technically it's only 5 and not half, b/c 3 of them are inquisitor or priest)

[soft willow]

I'm sure they'll have a new one announced sooner rather than later.

[jaunty dawn]

honestly not surprised imperial agents didn't really go the route of using a ton more of other factions' units after how cities of sigmar happened

[thin ibex]

agents as i understand it, kind of critically lack effective anti monster/armor tools

[jaunty dawn]

as cool as it would've been

[desert jay]

Update: Also hard to find generic inquisitor just searching google

[rocky shale]

We have one-shot breaching charges, Hunter killer missiles, and 140 point single lascannons

And uh, battle sisters squads

[desert jay]

It's mostly scattered weapons in squads

Henchmen have the plasma cannon servitor, DW squad can take multimelta too IIRC, etc

[jaunty dawn]

servitor should have mm option too

[soft willow]

Nothing super high power or real reliable though.

It is the army weakness for sure.

[upper bluff]

Should've given the rogue trader an orbital precision strike lol

[jaunty dawn]

dunno about dw though, think they just have the combi heavy bolter/flamer

[rocky shale]

DW hammers are our best anti tank dedicated squad

[soft willow]

The lack of an orbital bombardment in the "Imperialis Fleet" detachment is baffling.

[upper bluff]

Oh really? 😢 I thought they would have an enhancement like the anvil siege force space marines

[rocky shale]

DW can't take a multimelta, they get hammers and frag cannons for higher strength options. The servitor in henchmen can take a mm tho

The main issue is the high strength options are like 1gun per 100pt squad for every unit

And only like one source of S12 being the flying transport

[soft willow]

It's why I expect to see Canis Rex or a Castellan fairly often souped in to Agents.

[upper bluff]

Assuming anyone plays it at all

Like I don't expect to see any at tournaments

[soft willow]

I think the Imperialis Fleet advantages are worth it.

[rocky shale]

Canis Rex or like 3 armigers

[soft willow]

3 Warglaives might see some play yeah.

[rocky shale]

I think the armigers are better because they can split up

[thin ibex]

what's imperialis fleet do actually?

[upper bluff]

I do agree it's the best one but it kinda just feels like you're losing a lot just for that

[rocky shale]

Also agents just doesn't have an army rule which is Great and Cool

The army rule is just souping rules for other factions to take your units

[soft willow]

Either a plus one to hit for attacks against a dedicated unit, or improved OC and a 5+ Invuln for models on one objective.

For agents units.

[thin ibex]

oh, actually not bad at all and very generally applicable

[soft willow]

Yup they've got no army rule, but decent strategems and good troop options.

It'll come down to what the Agents Army points costs are vs their souped costs.

As a Knights player I was buying the book either way, but it honestly has me interested in what options I can make work.

This has some fun ideas: https://www.goonhammer.com/detachment-focus-imperialis-fleet/

[paper bluff]

As a knights and custodes player, yeah same

I just wish the coteaz model was more visually interesting

[rocky shale]

There's a few really cool units in the codex and a few really fun rules. It's just missing any sort of dedicated anti-armor and a whole army rule.

And bafflingly they nerfed henchmen severely

[soft willow]

The price one pays for soup

[rocky shale]

I hope the points at release are at least better

The codex ones are probably closer to what they'll cost for souping

[tired cairn]

The lack of army rule would have been fine if they juiced the detachments a bit more to make up for it >:|

Also, I hate how narrow the unit lists are for three of the detachments

[soft willow]

Yeah three of them are just casual fluff detachments for sure.

[rocky shale]

Lol I was about to post that

[floral herald]

It’s always nice to post the article link for stuff like this haha

[untold swallow]

I like how their guns have totally not EOTechs

[cosmic tulip]

Sorry

[untold swallow]

?

[cosmic tulip]

I got screenshots from a friend

[untold swallow]

oh lol

[cosmic tulip]

I’ll find the article link

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKLGX9-_4Y

YA SOLDAT

[floral herald]

It doesn’t look like there is one

[cosmic tulip]

I think France/russia website has the article

[floral herald]

Since it’s a leak

[cosmic tulip]

Oh

[floral herald]

Or more likely, a website releasing the article too fast haha

[jaunty dawn]

oh interesting

[finite compass]

ZA MONOLIT

[floral herald]

I wonder if that one dude on /tg/ who’s been furious about the kasrkin team having 4+ shooting for like a year will be mollified

[jaunty dawn]

one of them has a proper hellgun while the others have like quadstack style mags

I believe that's also a slightly shorter barrel?

[floral herald]

It’s hard for me to tell

I think it’s the same gun but with a cable mag not a battery

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah they're all the same apart from whats in the magwell

but the barrel is shorter than the classic weapons

you can see how there's three nodules here instead of the two

going back to the metal ones

[floral herald]

Yeah looks like a cut down hellcarbine

[jaunty dawn]

makes sense for airborne

[floral herald]

I like the helmet cams too

So at long last it’s vespid vs Storm troopers

And both are flying?

[upper bluff]

I wonder if the current scions will get a new datasheet

Since the current ones have deepstrike and these ones definitely have deepstrike

[untold swallow]

Wait is it a kill team?

[floral herald]

Yeah

Like 2 year old rumors for a new season or new edition box

[jaunty dawn]

I kinda think that might be the case

especially if these are grav chutes and not jump packs

since that's why scions get deep strike at all

[tepid stratus]

I mean they'll have fly, probably 12" move, and presumably a different main gun profile. So regular scions will differentiate by ability (reroll hits) and possibly special weapon choices

[tepid stratus]

They're not jump packs?

[jaunty dawn]

emphasis on if?

[tepid stratus]

Fair, I just figured grab chutes was a universal consideration for scions

[jaunty dawn]

I mean, drop pods were a universal consideration for space marines until they released a model for them in 4e

[floral herald]

They’re probably jump packs

Rumors are flight season

[jaunty dawn]

but probably yeah with the rumours n all

[tepid stratus]

That's fair. Rip drop pods

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah in my head they're grav chutes and foot scions will become infiltrators instead

but that's realistically unlikely

[tepid stratus]

Hmm if it's a flight based season what else would be included? Swooping hawks? Raptors? Winged Tyranid warriors?

[jaunty dawn]

jump phobos would be cool

but not really a priority

uhh

votann have a single jump pack model in their first kill team rn

so could expand that to a squad

[tardy vault]

Ok, so saw some Space Marine 2 footage posted and went to look. And I know "Purity Seals are just CVS recipets" is a super tired joke

but WHAT IS THAT

[jaunty dawn]

purity seal where the length is accurate to a physical model but the overall size is reduced for scaling

[upper canopy]

I snip it with a pair of scissors and the marine immediately falls to chaos

[thin ibex]

I feel like flying scions helps with the loss of elysians

[rocky shale]

Begging on my knees for agents to get these

[soft willow]

The entire list of Horus Heresy novel titles.

[granite basin]

EMPTech

[jaunty dawn]

scions already do what elysians did is the thing

but it does give a bit more variety to that section of the army

[cosmic tulip]

Vespids are completely new

They don’t even have new rules in 10th

It’s all old rules

[jaunty dawn]

no? they're in the codex

[thin ibex]

Yeah they're still in there

They're just not very interactive with the army rule

Good unit in their own right

[jaunty dawn]

or rather what elysians did is what stormtroopers did but with cheaper units of infantry and also some sentinels and cool atvs for flavour

[dense sedge]

leaked already?

[thin ibex]

I really liked the buggies

And the drop sentinels were great flavor

[jaunty dawn]

I think it's really funny that the necromunda team took the opportunity to backdoor plastic tauros venators into the range

[desert jay]

Yeah basically. And that's an issue when Alien Hunters is less juiced than Black Spear was

[desert jay]

I don't think GW could restrain themselves from not doing a SM one

Though no guarantee it's Phobos

[thin ibex]

Aren't reivers essentially jump phobos, they just don't have a special weapon to give them utility

I swear if they just had a grav gun, melta bombs, something

They'd be much cooler

[upper bluff]

I'm just waiting patiently for an admech killteam

And this flying season makes it seem unlikely

Maybe we'll get new flyers that aren't pteraxxi though

Thallaxi seem super unlikely but I guess possible since they all have jump packs

[jaunty dawn]

i mean like a squad of the jump phobos armour that shrike is wearing

[dense sedge]

another marine kill team is likely

[floral herald]

this is kill team, we get spammed 7 wound guard equivalents here

[finite compass]

In other news, water wet, fire hot, sky blue.

[floral herald]

There's actually not that many in KT haha

[finite compass]

There isn't? Did some get deprecated?

Or am I just mixing up Primaris Lieutenants or something

[bold halo]

including grey knights there's six marine teams?

then like a couple csm ones

there's actually more eldar kill teams than space marines lmao

[floral herald]

Ignoring compendium there's 3 loyalist KTs

Phobos, Intercession, and Justinian

[bold halo]

yeah I still can't remember which ones are compendium so I just counted everything

[floral herald]

Oh and Scouts now

I forgot about them

There's notationally 2 guard kill teams (Vetguard and Kasrkin) but there's a LOT of teams which work pretty similarly to the guard mechanically or even use the same models

[bold halo]

I also forgot I have them on sprues right next to me

just built the scorpions and forgot

[floral herald]

For chaos there's actually more cultist teams than CSM ones (Blooded, Chaos Cult, and Ravagers vs Legionaries and Nemesis Claw)

[bold halo]

currently fighting off the urge to buy the blooded ngl

[floral herald]

Blooded are dope

I like how they're the basic archetype (10ish dudes with 7 wounds who shoot at 4+) but their rules make you want to go as sicko mode as you can

Oh huh I didn't realize Blooded were another up to 14 models team

[bold halo]

and john aphextwin is there

[floral herald]

It's kind of interesting to me that the Chaos faction identity is kind of the "horde faction"

With 14 model Blooded, 15 model Cult, and 11 model Gellarpox

Ravagers are more normal at 10

[bold halo]

gellarpox is wild because you get to bring the extremes on both ends

the slowest chunkiest boys and the tiniest most expendable little idiots

[floral herald]

They’re so interesting

I hope we get more “weird teams” like them and Starstriders

[bold halo]

kill team seems to be where all the creative energies go so I'm hopeful

[floral herald]

Yeah I’m excited for tomorrow’s news

[bold halo]

all the 40k designers looking wistfully at age of sigmar going hog wild

[floral herald]

I’m hoping that there’s a little more flexibility in team selection in a hypothetical KT3

I heard some… not rumors but guesses that there might be like “commander” models which can be attached to multiple KTs

Kinda like a more generalized broodlord or commanders sort of choices

[bold halo]

I can't get anyone to play so I'm just here for the cool minis lol

[floral herald]

They are nice models

[bold halo]

A kill team is also historically about the number of minis I get through building and painting before I start to itch to try something totally different so it's a good fit

Love the idea of a big cohesive army but I know myself, I never get there

[rocky shale]

Come play imperial agents, 75% of our units are kill teams! We have no army rule! Help!

[mild glen]

Sorry, deleted that when I saw the conversation topic was already on kill team and I wanted to phrase my actual question better.

ANYWAY! I'm doing a Pathfinder Kill Team based on the Sailor Scouts (as in, I'm going to paint each model based on a Sailor Moon character), I have the actual units lined up, but for Luna/Artemis/Tuxedo Kamen as the drones, I was wondering if there were any suggestions re: building.

(I call them Sailor T'auts)

[thin ibex]

I'm actually very excited about the vespid kill team

I hope it also means they'll get a fun rule in 40k

Don't mind if they're not competitive as long as it's interesting

[valid brook]

Always strikes me as bizarre that there’s no Deathwatch kill team

Since, y’know

[thin ibex]

There is, I'm pretty sure.

Space marine kill team using deathwatch veterans

https://wahapedia.ru/kill-team2/kill-teams/space-marine/#Deathwatch-Veteran-Fire-Team

I do also feel like you could paint up and field strike force Justian or the Intercessor team as deathwatch no problem

[mild glen]

Couldn't get rules for Gue'vasa, can finally get another set of rules for Vespids... ce la vie.

[thin ibex]

Vespid are the easier sell tbh, guevesa have a harder time finding a niche, vespid already have theirs

[cosmic tulip]

Just remember you can always make fire warrior Gue’vesa

[mild glen]

But I don't wanna have to green stuff on a pinky and/or boots

I can make my own Tallarn desert raiders, too, theoretically

[jaunty dawn]

kinda doubt vespids are gonna get new rules since the codex is already out

but its possible if the new kit has very different options

[pulsar cairn]

Lets say im some warp entity and i wanna do a tea party

What traitor legions/demons should i invite to my tea party?

[jaunty dawn]

Full hivestorm trailer is out!!!!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/16/just-what-is-operation-hivestorm-find-out-in-this-thrilling-new-cinematic-trailer/

railgun vespid!

a little volley gun bot!

scions confirmed as having grav chutes by the article text

and they're not shown jumping around

[south axle]

I hope Elyscions get Imperial Agent rules so I can have them as backup for knights

[jaunty dawn]

doubtful

unfortunately

[south axle]

I know, but one can hope

[jaunty dawn]

airdropping volley drone guy

[south axle]

Hotshot lasgun?

[jaunty dawn]

volley gun! it's like two hotshot lasguns strapped together

for rapider fire

[south axle]

Full name is Hot-shot volley gun

[jaunty dawn]

4 scions, the one with a backpack ammo is definitely emphasised

(he's attaching it after landing here)

is this a bullet for the mega guns????

[south axle]

EGG!

[jaunty dawn]

obligatory designated marksman scion

double pistol vespid?

[south axle]

There is also a Grenade Launcher Vespid

[jaunty dawn]

new strain leader design

double pistol scion too

[south axle]

Plasma launcher I think

[jaunty dawn]

better picture

railgun vespid :)

clearest frame for the new grenade launcher yeah

it looks vaguely similar to an airbursting frag but its shooting energy so

interesting!

[south axle]

This looks like it will be a solid update

[jaunty dawn]

for sure

the wings look quite different now

much more buglike

I'm so glad the scions are just grav chuters

[south axle]

Double the amount of wings, the blasters have the history of the old ones present, and the armour seems more "generic" tau

[jaunty dawn]

@thin ibex : )

[floral herald]

Cool trailer for sure

[paper bluff]

Kill team gets some cool minis

Custodes kill team: 1 Custodian

[south axle]

Custodes gets 4 of them

[hard whale]

Isn't that their Combat Patrol? /s

[thin ibex]

Yaaay! and in fairness to earlier when I was talking about new stuff, I was thinking about the farstalkers compared against carnivores

[south axle]

Kinda wish they made a custodes fireteam that is a singular custodes termie

[paper bluff]

No, that has wardens and a blade champ plus custodian guards

[paper bluff]

I would love a fancier custodes termie to be a leader

[floral herald]

Maybe the next edition of KT can have terminators in it

They’ve seemed to not be able to fit into the designer’s vision

In KT2

I’m so hyped for the rest of the announcement tho

I like both these teams and I’m psyched for new stuff

[paper bluff]

An eye of the emperor with some imperial agents would fit the kill team mold i think. You would have a team very much the gellarpox one but with one super unit

[floral herald]

Yeah something like that’s possible

[thin ibex]

I'm generally of the mind that if kt starts adding in the super elite of various armies you get away from the ground scaling of like... these specialist teams; and it takes the spotlight away from them, which it's already not on in 40k

[floral herald]

That’s basically Brood Bros

Normal GEQ team with potentially a broodlord

[thin ibex]

Like imo terminators and crisis Battlesuits and similar should stay out of kt

I'm sure it can be done in balanced or tasteful ways potentially, but I'm just not a massive fan of the upscale

There so much more to explore or get granular with, without tapping those guys

[floral herald]

I agree with crisis suits some (though the warp infested gellarpox crisis suits someone kitbashed fucked) but I think a terminator team can fit

Slow very tough elite

Hard part is honestly making them work ok mechanically

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/s/QL1zax0B52

Gellartau

[thin ibex]

I just feel like terminators have been done to death in 40k, they're not the infiltration, normal guy, sabotage, wet work unit; they're the weather a storm of death to punch the other guy team, the single squad kills multitudes of genestealers aboard a ship team

[jaunty dawn]

yeah thats fair actually

like a terminator squad doesnt go up against an 8 man genestealer team

they go up against like 50

plus a broodlord

i mean they often lose at those odds but still

[floral herald]

Termies do do a fair amount of that stuff, albeit often in older lore

[thin ibex]

They're uniformly the best a chapter has used to face the most dire foes or solve the most urgent problems they face. Applying a single Terminator squad to deal with a single squad of cultists or ork kommandos is almost a gross misuse of a resource

[floral herald]

You can play custodes in kill team

I think the ship sailed a while ago on allowing elite troops

[thin ibex]

But not custodes terminators

[jaunty dawn]

custodes kinda like

idk I feel like they're only there to complete the compendium

[thin ibex]

You can also play grey knights, but I think they have more ground to stand on as far as the agility and applicability of the team

And also can't bring gk terminators

[floral herald]

I’m responding to them being over scaled or too elite, not them wearing specifically terminator armor

Since stodes>terminators

I think terminators just don’t fit in tell mechanically

Since they have even more lopsided MUs and struggles as elite teams

Which is why I’m interested to see if KT3 changes widen the design space enough to include them

[thin ibex]

I get that, I'm mostly expressing how I don't think they'd fit

I also think that if they kept getting more and more ok with hyper elite representation, we'll see it get over presented as that's what will get popular

[floral herald]

Elite teams are not exactly common in KT though

There’s been like 2 in the last couple years

[thin ibex]

Which I like. I enjoy the focus on generally keeping things ground level, exploring the space at the baseline in preference over the top

Honestly, on the comment on crisis suits, they're effectively the faction equivalent of a Terminator for Tau

What makes them not ok, but terminators valid?

[bright dove]

Terminators have things like Space Hulk.

And they're already often used for deep insertion actions.

[thin ibex]

So are crisis suits

[jaunty dawn]

kill team is about playing the guys that infiltrate the space hulk but get killed so now you have to get terminators in

[balmy wave]

They're both deep insertion, tanky elite combatants given special privileges in and out of battle

Termies and crisis

[jaunty dawn]

although I would disagree about crisis suits being deep insertion, theyre pretty logistics dependent

stealth suits take that role

[balmy wave]

Drop them into the middle of the enemy's forces during a fight and they'll potentially turn the tide

[balmy wave]

I more meant deepstrikes rather than infiltrations

[thin ibex]

They're explicitly still used for hard insert decapitation strikes

[balmy wave]

You send your elite fire warriors into the centre of danger