#Warhammer and Such

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verbal tangle
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I know, I know

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Makes me sad too

thin ibex
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Full melee SoB can still rock Celestine right?

jaunty dawn
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shes sword lady yeah

pastel rampart
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10 reasons why I'd never do a Brett army.

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paper bluff
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Horses?

pastel rampart
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Yup. Chaos knights.

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A slog to get through.

solemn gull
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But you can do so much heraldry!

pastel rampart
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And add a whole week to the painting process!

tepid stratus
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Those are the old chaos knights too

pastel rampart
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Yup. circa 5th edition

solemn gull
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Keeps you from buying too many models too fast

pastel rampart
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They're harder to source now so I'm only having the 10 anyway.

tepid stratus
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I'm too used to seeing the new push fit ones

pastel rampart
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They're a somewhat unsual mix of plastic and metal too. Metal horse heads, rider legs, and lance arms, plastic everything else.

tepid stratus
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Yeah wasn't it just the swords and axes that where plastic while Lance's and barding was a metal upgrade kit?

pastel rampart
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Maybe for a different kit? But with the chaos knight it was above, and regular chaos warriors were plastic except for some upgrade kits.

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They sure did reuse that same horse across multiple armies though.

solemn gull
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I’m having trouble finding which model a space marine I have is

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It’s pure metal with a slot base saying GW ‘93

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But I can’t find anything that looks like it from pdfs of the mail order section

pastel rampart
solemn gull
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This guy is probably my favourite mini since it’s my only goofy pewter one

unreal cosmos
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Anyone have good examples of how Space Marine squads are listed in like, tactical reports?

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I've seen them use the Sargeant's name as a title but don't remember the format

jaunty dawn
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just Squad [sergeant name]

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eg, from anphelion project, Squad Rael is led by Sergeant Rael (red scorpions)

floral herald
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Ultramarine squads seem to go by a squad number, the name of the leading sergeant, and often an appellation for impressive service

jaunty dawn
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classic iron hands would be Clave [numeral] or Clave Prime for veteran squad

floral herald
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The numbers may be a post-Primaris update though

jaunty dawn
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numbers existed before, but post primaris numbers are (clarified to be?) usually more ad-hoc

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since if a squad is split into two different roles (rather than simply combat squads) they'll be given 2 different numbers

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thus squad numbers can go up to 20

floral herald
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Yeah I think that’s why there’s a need for it since post-primaris marines tend to fight in a bunch of different types of squads

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Whereas before then it was pretty much just combat squads

rocky shale
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I'm on my knees begging that gw gives Agents a surprise unit that's good at anti tank

bright dove
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My oldhammer brain just went "Oh, you mean the Vindicare Assassin?"

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But that doesn't work anymore.

solemn gull
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I’m surprised Agents don’t get a deathwatch unit

jaunty dawn
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they do now

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deathwatch is rolled into agents of the imperium

solemn gull
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Oh guess I was looking at old news

floral herald
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I’m honestly kinda glad for it deathwatch felt weird to me as a full faction

solemn gull
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It is kind of weird that they were a full army yeah, I wonder if SoB or Custodes will get merged into this too

jaunty dawn
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no it's just deathwatch

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cause as it is deathwatch is 4 units

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squad, character, transport, named character

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like there are more inqusitor models alone I think

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while sob, custodes, and grey knights are full on factions

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which is partially because of alien hunters getting cancelled way back when ofc but it is the case

solemn gull
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That’s fair I just always knew them to show up in the fiction in mixed groups of guard or marines

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Never really saw any of them as a full army

jaunty dawn
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it's very rare that they muster a full on task force yeah

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they usually operate alone in kill teams

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a watch master even taking to the field is kinda weird alone

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which you can make the same argument about grey knights, but they got a full release in 5e so that's that

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but the new agents codex lets you take a battle sister squad, terminator squad or kill team in any imperium army

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so that is now supported

solemn gull
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Oh I was just going off the warhammer-community pdf

desert jay
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I think a few SoB and GK units will be appearing in the Agents codex tho, like how daemon princes are in both CSM and daemons

dense sedge
desert jay
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Which also means you can stick a SoB or GK squad in other Imperial armies

paper bluff
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I'm going to get the ordor mallus box

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but LORDY that one model is so plain and a downgrade from the old one

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just so so so plain

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bold halo
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same deal with new lemartes

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old one

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jaunty dawn
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i think theres a slight difference

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the new lemartes model is pretty cool imo but not very 'characterful'

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while the coteaz model just sucks

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characterful as in having lemartes i mean

paper bluff
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get a load of this

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but then they did this

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floral herald
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The new Lemartes model has really grown on me

thin ibex
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Late to it, but the deathwatch is where the term kill team even originated

unreal cosmos
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Plus the ball gag which I consider an unmitigated plus

floral herald
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Yeah I like the iron binds around the armor

bold halo
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there's parts of the armor I like but the pose is such a downgrade

unreal cosmos
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I dunno the original is pretty generic, to me

floral herald
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The new Crozius also looks neat

unreal cosmos
dense sedge
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I like the Lemartes

rocky shale
desert jay
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Oh right yeah they're literally in the combo boxes

pastel rampart
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Continuing on with a banner.

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Didn't take as many progress shots so it's very "now draw the fucking owl"

jaunty dawn
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pretty sure they use their codex/index profiles though

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works like cult troops in csm rather than daemon princes

rocky shale
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Even using codex profiles, sisters are pretty useful for being sticky objectives and having meltas

jaunty dawn
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yup

desert jay
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Like the basic battle sister squad generates miracle dice

rocky shale
jaunty dawn
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oh that's true

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like cherub and simulacrum do nothing otherwise

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they have got a different core special rule now though, codex gave them sticky objectives

desert jay
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Hmm, they might get a unit special rule that gives them a lite version of the army rule, they might get something else

jaunty dawn
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oh hm

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Ordo Hereticus Battle Sisters might be the unit name?

rocky shale
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I imagine that pure-agents armies are gonna be very objective-focused with a lot of infantry in transports, backed up by blackstars for anti-tank and maybe also allied armigers?

jaunty dawn
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I'm not sure because they do make a specific distinction between deathwatch being regular agents (character and retinue) while gk and sob are the new Requisitioned catagory

rocky shale
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yeah, requisitioned feels like a keyword that units not in the codex can be pulled in under

desert jay
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Death Watch as retinue but Sisters/GK as requisitioned is an interesting differentiation too

floral herald
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Oh weird you can run pure agents?

desert jay
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Yeah, the codex is coming with four detachments!

jaunty dawn
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yeah they're gonna have 4 detachments

pastel rampart
jaunty dawn
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doooope!!!

rocky shale
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Im also hoping they get a second army rule that isnt just the souping one, but im not optimistic

desert jay
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One detachment for each of Ordos Malleus, Hereticus, and Xenos, and then one for the Imperial Navy

floral herald
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Huh, I had assumed they were just a way to make imperial soup

pastel rampart
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Gonna hit it with a brown oil wash once the glue dries to grime the banner up.

sweet solar
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a pistol holster and an eagle and your golden for wysiwyg and the first even comes with an eagle

solemn gull
sweet solar
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maybe mold a fur cloak if tou feel like it but all the heads work even lol

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damn yeah that rules

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slaves to darkness vines

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vibes

solemn gull
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What is their unit’s name. If they have a banner clearly they think highly of their unit

pastel rampart
pastel rampart
desert jay
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Oh also, the Malleus box has a Chimera, so that's probably coming to the Agents codex too

pastel rampart
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I am naming the unit of halberd chaos warriors "Helmfar's Headtakers" but I'm still mulling over other unit names.

paper bluff
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To me it feels like coteaz nee model was home work turned in too early

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Like they forgot to sculpt on the extra stuff

sweet solar
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yeaaa

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he looks like a squad captain

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moren a grizzled old i quis

unreal cosmos
sweet solar
paper bluff
floral herald
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Combat Patrol: Kill Team

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unreal cosmos
# jaunty dawn just Squad [sergeant name]

So 1. thank you, 2. through doing this I discovered that Primaris squad names actually sound much more natural if you approach them as like, a label applied to their codex role

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Squad Park, 9th Company 10th Fire Support “Eradicator” Squad

floral herald
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That does sound pretty good

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Also pretty good

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rocky shale
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The combat patrol is kinda underwhelming but I guess if arbites are good in the new codex itll be nice

floral herald
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Yeah you're short a marine for the DW one and don't have a great option for support for the Inq one

rocky shale
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Yeah, not quiiiite there but kinda neat as a bonus

floral herald
paper bluff
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I want to get the sister one. You squint and you could guess SoS

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floral herald
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Oh that's a neat trick

solemn gull
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I’m happy to see inq getting some mainline 40k spotlight

dense sedge
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man, slickblade seekers are an absolute pain to assemble

tepid stratus
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Love the look of new slaanesh, hate building new slaanesh

dense sedge
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agreed

pastel rampart
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Oil wash did the job, grimed it up nicely.

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uneven ember
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oh nice

pastel rampart
south axle
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Somebody ordered sculpted abs?

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jaunty dawn
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sanquinary priest is pretty cool

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like how it has vampire head and pretty boy head

unreal cosmos
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The pretty boy head is quite pretty

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I like how versatile the captain is

pastel rampart
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But where's the lovingly-sculpted nipples

jaunty dawn
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that is a kinda weird omission yeah

pastel rampart
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GW de-sexifying my space vampires smh

jaunty dawn
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ball gags and chains are fine, nipples are horrible

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or maybe you're only allowed to be sexual if you think you're your own dad

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I feel like that gets confusing

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walk into the tower of the lost and mention sanguinius off hand and suddenly a chrous of "yes what is it" erupts from the cells

paper bluff
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Not a gram of buccal fat to be seen

solemn gull
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Would space marines have abs? I mean they have no rib cage so I imagine the abdominal muscle wouldn’t be in the same shape. Would it also just be a solid sheet.

pastel rampart
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I'd say they have abs only because if it was a solid shape they'd end up looking like a shirtless Elon Musk and no one wants that.

bright dove
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There's still muscle there, it's just that the ribcage is more a ribwall

paper bluff
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I would assume no space wolf would have abs

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That one really wide imperial fist space marine from during the heresy? He for sure would have abs

pastel rampart
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Every space wolf is built like Thor from GoW.

paper bluff
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Only "fat" space marine was a space wolf

pastel rampart
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Same energy

bright dove
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That there is Kingpin Fat

paper bluff
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Eddie Hall when he lifted that half ton

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Well 500kg

solemn gull
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Yeah I think that’s a good idea of what they would look like

desert jay
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Split point costs for Agents lists vs souping

As a result, most Imperial Agents units have two points costs: a lower value for a full army selected from this Codex, and a separate, increased cost to reflect the impact they can have when included to mitigate the shortcomings of another faction. This has several advantages, and it means that points can be independently adjusted based on how effective a unit is in each setting.

thin ibex
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space marines are generally built for a lot of functional strength, so build wise they're probably thick, more similar to a strongman than a body builder; but strongmen are also more specialized. The main thing i think is that space marine proportions are probably all out of wack, and at least in the past they were somewhat grotesque

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though i think now they're just big humans with a lot of their changes being less physically obvious

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the main one thats obvious being the black carapace

paper bluff
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Yeah I'm in that camp of "the proportions of a space marine should be slightly wrong"

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Custodes i think would be in human proportions but maximally so

thin ibex
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i always imagined them with like... small head for their torso vibes, and longer arms and legs to give them more reach and longer stride

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sm i mean

paper bluff
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An IRL space marine should/would tickle the uncanny Valley just so

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desert jay
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Yep!

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Or GK termies for some melee beef in an admech army

sweet solar
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the bent iron halo looks make sense in a way but does make the blood angel guy like he walked backwards through a two low doorway in context of the other iron halos ive seen

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imagining a battlebarge with a 7 foot 8 doorway, a tech priest carefully manages a servo skull to record all backpack/halo/banner damage

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also ooooooh knights plus agents sounds fucking great

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especially if built as knights and squires

solemn gull
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that's just the black templars

rocky shale
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Knights and some guys who stand on objectives

spice flicker
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Had a friendly game yesterday with a friend on tts where we both made small 2000 point armies (12 units or less was our restrictions) with factions we usually don't play. I ended up with world Eaters and he got the dark eldar. I decided to to into LR and berserker spam while he went with the classic triple tantalus and ravagers as well as a surprise. He brought two voidraven bombers and a razorwing fighter "because why not" and let me tell you, If you ever struggle against WE just bring some aircraft and you'll smoke them. As soon as he focused fired down my LR I was left with pretty much just bolt pistols and a handful of plasma pistols to shoot down the aircraft....against an army filled to the brim with anti-infantry shenanigans.

paper bluff
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Couldn't get into melee range? Also yeah the WE kind need Angon or EE to kill vehicles

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Oh! Or a lord of skulls

spice flicker
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I thought you can't melee aircraft without the fly keyword?

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We also had a gentleman's agreement of no knights or lords of war.

floral herald
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Unless the aircraft charges a grounded unit anyway

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But I don’t think they normally can

thin ibex
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i think the only ones that can are the heldrake and the nid fliers

paper bluff
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If the aircraft is in hover mode it looses the aircraft keyword which changes some things and I forget off hand how that works with reserves and starting on thw field

desert jay
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Wait... no Vindicator for WE or DG? Huh

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(But they still do have the other tanks, and also daemon engines)

thin ibex
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you can start on the field if you are in hover

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last i checked

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unless the recent rules changes made that different

floral herald
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Yeah Weaters actually lose some tank options

cinder wraith
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as a world eaters, i am very salty

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so much salt i can salt my meals

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:3

paper bluff
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I hope the range is expanded and we get butcher surgeons when codex time happens

cinder wraith
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JAMES WORK SHOP, GIVE ME ALL THE NEW WORLD EATER UNITS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

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paper bluff
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Add in a roll for the khorne dice were opponents can't fall out of melee

cinder wraith
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i dont like blessings

spice flicker
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Honestly some jetpack berserkers and bring back the red butcher Terminators+terminator leader and I would be happy.

cinder wraith
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give back blood tithe

paper bluff
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And the stratagems are not that helpful if you go second

spice flicker
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I will say I was happy my 10 man squad of berserkers+MoE managed to charge and kill a tantalus in a single turn.

spice flicker
cinder wraith
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the index legit makes me unhappy when i play 10th

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blood tithe worked

spice flicker
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Also wish WE got something special when they roll an 8 on a charge.

cinder wraith
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blessings feels like more of a tzeentch army rule than a melee khorne army rule

spice flicker
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Like have it be an 8 for a charge roll is considered an automatic success or something.

cinder wraith
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rolls 8D6 YHATZEEE

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i hate this army rule

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blood tithe worked because you had to kill things to get buffed in battle

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stuff dying = khorne pleased = boons

paper bluff
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I do like the angron coming back. That is funny when it happens

cinder wraith
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that rule is good

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everything else redo

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minimum 2 buffs per round?

spice flicker
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Honestly I know angron is a butcher in melee but the cost of 415 pts makes me a little weary of taking.

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There are knights cheaper than him for reference.

cinder wraith
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^

paper bluff
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The strategy with taking him is basically throw him at things till he dies as quick and early as possible then try to bring him back asap for 415 points value

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or more

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Again, not a great strategy i admit

paper bluff
paper bluff
cinder wraith
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blood surgeon, juggernaut cavalry, butcher terminators, butcher lord, butcher terminator lord, jump pack variant berzerkers, jump pack lord? murder cursed, murder cursed character

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...etc

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so much

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yet so little to no info

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also dont forget the named characters

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galhan surlak

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zhufor

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...etc

paper bluff
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We're doing better than emps children at least

dense sedge
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Ohhh, new sang priest

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I really like blood angels characters

desert jay
thin ibex
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Angron as a missile makes perfect sense tbh

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He's not a leader

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He's their best killer

cinder wraith
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the missile knows where it is

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but its very eepy

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(i never managed to res him)

unreal cosmos
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dbl110ZA1igJZ1oJtTaLaDj7rBAmwoMwX_ujm-yVmUE/edit?usp=drivesdk I forget whether I linked this here before, but I've been building on my custom chapter and fleshing out the units i plan on building

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Solar Bears

Solar Bears Founding Chapter: Unknown Founding: Unsure (suspected to be Twenty-First “Cursed” Founding, 991.M35) Chapter Master: Artio the Greater Homeworld: Arctica Colors: Brown armor Strength: ~1000 marines, pending battle reports Battle Cry: “The sun rises! The bear roars!” A matriarchal cha...

spice flicker
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I mean he costs more than a knight gallant and I jokingly call it a melee missile so it fits.

thin ibex
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hes more dangerous than a knight galant in melee no? Got a 4++ at all times iirc

tepid stratus
jaunty dawn
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like arbites being able to balanced seperately for 'unit in a real army' vs 'cheapest trash available to all with imperium privelege'

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Leeeeesss interesting;

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wanna play deathwatch? You sure can! As long as you don't want to take more than two kill team units TOTAL in a 2000 pt game

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like yeah you can still play deathwatch themed space marines, but the majority of your army is gonna have to be regular space marine squads, just painted and modelled as deathwatch

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not even legends really helps, unless you give up on all non kill team squads and make agents your faction

rocky shale
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Yeaaaah the actual kill teams look like they're gone

jaunty dawn
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best hope is that kill teams will still be battleline I guess so you can at least run six of them as agents

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the 'firstborn' kill team unit is sticking around but the modular primaris ones and kill team cassius are legends

tepid stratus
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Missed opportunity not to have tespestus scions as troops in the codex

jaunty dawn
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this is honestly really bad imo; like worse than harlequins, brood brothers, getting rid of options etc etc

rocky shale
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Rip DW

jaunty dawn
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this is straight up making an army for 9 years, saying 'painstakingly model an entire army of this beloved faction for the most flexible rules that we're putting out'

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and then going like! fuck you! middle fingers all day! hahahahaha

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'buy one of every primaris kit we make to assemble personalised mixed squads'

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this is even worse than the stormcast and beasts of chaos

tepid stratus
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Bonesplittaz: are we a joke to you?

jaunty dawn
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sorry them too xP

desert jay
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Yeah it seems real rough

jaunty dawn
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even the deathwatch detachment from the index is essentially become legends at best???

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idk if it is even technically doing that or it's just something you Could Do

desert jay
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Oh I forgot that DW had an index detachment for SM

floral herald
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Rip to DW as a faction yeah

desert jay
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Unless that detachment is being preserved/converted with a "you can take extra DW units from agents" rule

jaunty dawn
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it's possible ordo xenos is going to be largely similar, but it's still going to be an imperial agent detachment and not a space marines one, which as mentioned means losing everything not deathwatch

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like dreadnaughts!

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so many people have made dw dreads, they look awesome

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this army they showed off less than a year ago is now illegal

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because it has too many kill teams to play space marines and too many of everything else to play agents

desert jay
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Actually... is the first pic in today's article gonna be legal as an army?

jaunty dawn
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based on coherency I'd say that's two units?

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so if you assume this is just a section of a 2000 pt list it technically is (they can bring dedicated transports with them)

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but it can't have any more kill teams

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okay it looks like ordo xenos detachment is the descendant of the index detachment

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but it is explicitly an agents detachment (which is why I presume this is referring to the ordo xenos one)

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but yeah the first pic is a space marines army with deathwatch sprinkles

desert jay
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I wasn't sure if it was too much DW KT or not

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I will say it's real hard to tell DW unit composition at a glance

jaunty dawn
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I think it's exactly 10 models

pulsar cairn
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It penny fufuAww

jaunty dawn
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so to be even more fair to them it could technically take a second kill team if this one is a ten model one

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but like

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yeaaaah

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Hi skully!

pulsar cairn
jaunty dawn
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😊

desert jay
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And oh Jeez, apparently there's also rumors that they want to do the reverse to the daemons codex, split it up between the 4 cult legions (presumably with Belakor going to CSM)

upper bluff
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Idk there's no way they make belakor CSM

desert jay
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IDK where else you'd stick him

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Though a conflicting/competing rumor is just separate datasheets between daemons and the cult legions

tepid stratus
jaunty dawn
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khorne daemonkin is a very beloved old army too

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was a world eaters khorney daemon engine daemons mashup thing

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there are downsides though definitely

upper canopy
paper bluff
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I thought they were back in old world

upper canopy
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which means it can happen TWICE

floral herald
pulsar cairn
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Do craft worlders care about drukhari lives in general? I imagine more than any other race but would they risk their necks for them?

unreal cosmos
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Probably depends

soft willow
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Probably? Unless they thought they would lose more than they might gain.

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Farseers could get weird with it depending on what was in the future about them.

jaunty dawn
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depends but there is a general rule that eldar are closer to dark eldar than to non eldar

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even if thats a condescending save from themselves thing

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but varies as with all things

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if comoragh was like in real real trouble it would probably be fairly similar to a craftworld being targetted

paper bluff
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The dark eldar are the closest to OG eldar btw

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Maybe slightly worse but still closest to pre-fall eldar

pastel rampart
finite compass
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Box

upper canopy
jaunty dawn
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yeah

paper bluff
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Biologically that would be.... what the exodites?

finite compass
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Or craftworlders

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As of current timeline, most DE are clones or artificially grown.

unreal cosmos
jaunty dawn
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I've been seeing these lizardmen krootbashes and they are so fuckin good

unreal cosmos
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Kroot proxies for T'au units are one of my favorite genres of kitbash

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Though the reverse is also fun

soft willow
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When life offers you a secondhand Warhound at a reasonable discount this is what happens:

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pastel rampart
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/2078450/Warhammer_40000_Speed_Freeks/ Entering EA tomorrow.

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solemn gull
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Didn’t they already make this for the ps2

pastel rampart
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Nope.

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There was a cancelled Gorka-Morka for the Dreamcast but I don't think that ever got anywhere beyond a couple CG videos.

solemn gull
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I hope they bring back gorkamorka

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It was very silly

ebon forge
floral herald
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Food for dorfs!

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At long last

pulsar cairn
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dorf book?

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dorf book

jaunty dawn
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disney's first openly gay character energy /j

paper bluff
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Yes. Gav Thorpe isn't apart of the BL A team seems to be the concern

cinder wraith
jaunty dawn
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cult legion year

dense sedge
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So drukhari will likely be summer 2025

cinder wraith
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made a meme for my local group that me and 2 other world eaters are getting their codex before the 15+ templar fans

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group version

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and the one with more templars

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pine matrix
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Honestly I'm kinda curious if they'll give the DEldar any love at all, the range is pretty dang old and the roster isn't that diverse. I was very surprised that Mandrakes got a refresh

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Will Vect get a model 🤔

paper bluff
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Has his new form been described?

pulsar cairn
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if i cant feel any kind of pain, be it physical or emotional

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would deldar leave me alone?

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i feel like you would probably have at least one xeno species that could work like that

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just a big slime

paper bluff
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The dark eldar are nothing if not creative, they would find the way

jaunty dawn
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deldar somewhat successfully mess around with tyranids

mental birch
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I really wanna play lady rogue trader and her crew

bright dove
pulsar cairn
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i hate deldar

thin ibex
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i imagine its very hard to torture a warrior or immortal

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but for crypteks and lord and overlords, just put them in the same room as their rival

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instant torture

bright dove
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They were talking about warriors

rocky shale
# cinder wraith

Oh god I play CK and Aledari, time to prepare my wallet for the winter

thin ibex
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out of that roadmap

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im most interested in what the guard will get

rocky shale
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Assuming it's not fake lol

soft willow
rocky shale
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I'm already being lured into a 3rd army by agents

junior robin
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my armies have all been rendered more or less unplayable so I'm not holding my breath that DG will do better

paper bluff
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Haha! I play imp knights, custodes, world eaters and necrons. It's been an up and down time lol

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Imp knights could be way more interesting and World eaters need more units

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I have agents also but that's due to custodes and knights

rocky shale
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If I soup in armigers to my agents it'll be funny because they're all chaos'd up and kitbashed so it's like "why does the inquisitor have war dogs"

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To which the answer is "don't ask questions you don't want answers to"

soft willow
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Just put like one purity seal on the face.

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"The inquisitor sanctified them" stares down the person asking questions

paper bluff
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Basically yes

thin ibex
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its been pretty normal to do so, but im still really hoping votann get new units on dex drop

paper bluff
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In lore an inquisitor could have a daemon engine and that would track

soft willow
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But also hoping for other choices, jump packs seem likely too.

thin ibex
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i feel like they've got almost all the essentials, but im hoping for some more options

soft willow
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Would love a walker or another vehicle.

thin ibex
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like jump units, an mbt, some kind of artillery unit

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walker would be sick, i wanna see what gw comes up with for a nasapunk walker

soft willow
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I'm thinking something like the goofy Space Marine not-dread with the rollbar cage up front, but like with a canopy and cool Votann shit.

thin ibex
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the real question is would their walker be like most, as a melee/ranged hybrid, or would they dedicate it more

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cause gun walker might be cool

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but also seeing it have like... extendo melee arms instead of dread boxing fists

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like some reinterpretation of those utility arms in space shuttles

soft willow
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Nah, it'll have cargo claw grippers.

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Just straight up Aliens reference or goofly Lost In Space ones.

cosmic tulip
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Are the skeletons a modern sculpt

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cinder wraith
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yes

cosmic tulip
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Nice nice

thin ibex
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speed freekz is out today btw

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ftp on steam

pulsar cairn
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Is that like an ork race game?

bright dove
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Ork Twisted Metal by the look of things

thin ibex
thin ibex
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tried it out

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core gameplay is fun, not a whole lot of progression

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two game types

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otherwise a little barebones

paper bluff
cosmic tulip
dense sedge
paper bluff
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Please, a bew sculpt for the warp spiders though. They're 30 years old at this point

upper canopy
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why does that dwarf look like an ogre

quaint compass
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Big gut

cosmic tulip
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I need a wych x human tragic romance

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Desperately

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Make the human a weird half eldar hamonculi thing

dense sedge
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Wych x craftwolder where they are trying to corrupt and redeem the other respectively only for both to succeed/fail and they run off to become corsairs

cosmic tulip
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YES

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But mostly I wanna see more interspecies sruff

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I know it goes against the spirit of 40k but like

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If AoS can do it so can 40k

paper bluff
dense sedge
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Not to gw they aren’t

paper bluff
cosmic tulip
paper bluff
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I also suppose technically Kin x human is possible. We don't know the downstairs situation with the Kin

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YET

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I keep of forgetting the the Votann are the hyper computers while the Kin are the actual name of the race

hard whale
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I think the Kin would be just fine with people making that mistake if it means fewer people know what a Votann actually is

soft willow
paper bluff
desert jay
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Talks about the detachments, mostly spicy stuff you can do with Imperialis Fleet

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But also gives the general gist for the 3 ordo ones

upper bluff
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I think the fleet one is cool

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I'm kinda worried that the other ones are just gonna be like the null maiden vigil where half the rules only work against specific lists

pine matrix
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What the fuck is this guy

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upper canopy
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A Guy

cosmic tulip
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Next silly dude

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dense sedge
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how well do darkoath do when you bring them along with faction like Hedonittes or disciples instead of slaves?

bright dove
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Their oaths are pretty nice and independent of Slaves stuff.

tepid stratus
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IMO taking allies in general puts you at too big of a disadvantage now to be worth it but they do at least fill a role in tzeentch

dense sedge
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According to new recruit you can take them along as if they were your own units, but they don’t get your keywords

tepid stratus
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New recruit is unfortunately incorrect. Going back over the rules myself here, the only way to add out of faction units is to add a regiment of renown to your army. You can only have one regiment of renown in your list and it's contents are predetermined

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As outlined in section 3.5 of the rules and further clarified in the FAQ

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So the only darkoath you'd have access to would be Gunnar's Oathbound

finite compass
pine matrix
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Oh the excerpt of the LoV book is from the perspective of an Ironkin, how lovely

paper bluff
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loV?

uneven ember
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League of Votonn
space-dorfs

verbal ermine
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Squats NEO basically

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...nows your chance to be a big squat

thin ibex
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narratively, do yall give it to hernkyn yaegers or tau pathfinders?

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if they were both doing sneaky battlefield things

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and met each other

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I kinda feel like pathfinders are disadvantaged but might also just seek to break contact and escape

upper bluff
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I think they would be pretty easily matched. So yeah I think Pathfinders would be the first to dip

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Like yeah LoV have some hightech stuff but a Tau Rail Rifle is still a Tau Rail Rifle

floral herald
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We don't gotta decide, Kill Team can figure this one out

upper canopy
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Pathfinders aren't gonna stay yeah

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But what they'd do is put the Funny Laser on the dwarfs

tepid stratus
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Yeah there's a fundamental difference in doctrine when jaegers are meant to get in quiet and make something go away while pathfinders exist to scout something out to guide in airstrikes and artillery. It's gonna go poorly for the jaegers once the sky ray or the tiger shark nearby sees a new marker light on their HUD

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No outside help I give it to the jaegers but there's gonna be a few dead kin with obliterated torsos or lethal ion burns by the end of it

thin ibex
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i still gotta get games in on my pf kt

floral herald
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If you wanna do a TTS game I wanna try out jaegirs or brood bros

thin ibex
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yo im totally down, lets talk later to work out a day

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kinda also wanna try out that like oil rig rule set

raw vessel
floral herald
thin ibex
pastel rampart
jaunty dawn
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fungus identifying nipples

pulsar cairn
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He had 6? vicksyBork

thin ibex
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Mild spoiler warning for SM2 but also, BRRRR

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upper canopy
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oh fuck yeah

tardy vault
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Nothing better than a walking fridge dynamic entry.

still warren
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https://youtu.be/vVLzEpNvfxQ?feature=shared looks like people have been getting some more hands on time with sm2

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paper bluff
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Neat

tardy vault
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TL:DW is game is really fun but the multiplayer is currently fucked which combined with release in a month and the cancelled beta is concerning.

soft willow
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Fucked like it technically isn't working correctly? Or it's unbalanced and weird?

still warren
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just couldn't boot it up

tardy vault
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Flat out didn't work yeah.

soft willow
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They're going to get a lot of hate if that doesn't work at launch.

still warren
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the pvp that is not the coop

tardy vault
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He is Australian and online games frequently screw over that country, but it's an important note (and, ya know, people live there that need to know)

tardy vault
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The game does have a full single player campaign mode which worked just fine.

soft willow
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It could be an earlier build, or that the servers aren't fully up and running, but even so a bit of a red flag.

tardy vault
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They're doing that weird staggered launch thing

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So probably will wait.

still warren
soft willow
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Yeah this probably means I hold off and don't pre-order though.

still warren
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oh yeah never preorder

past sphinx
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okay what the hell is the spinny bit on primaris bolt weapons

still warren
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fidget spinner

past sphinx
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i greatly dislike this

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i dont know why

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that and their plasma pistol

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i feel like ive just noticed it again seeing it in a video game

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you do need something there to break up the profile of it though otherwise its just a giant box

thin ibex
jaunty dawn
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how fast does it spin

spice flicker
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I know the game isn't balanced at 1k points but can anyone provide a hand in making a 1k space Marines list that focuses a bit on phobos units? I was going to say that they were secretly a chapter composed entirely of Alpha Legion infiltrators passing themselves off as loyalist ultramarine successors.

jaunty dawn
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practically speaking id build it around their combat patrol

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but thats a physical play consideration

thin ibex
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yeah i was gonna say teh same

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also tho

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i feel like 1k is reasonably balanced at a non competetive level

spice flicker
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Which combat patrol? space Marines have several

thin ibex
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take your pick

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the space wolves one probably is useful

spice flicker
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Hmmm....

jaunty dawn
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uhh

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its technically a

desert jay
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You can also try looking up Vangaurd Spearhead lists at 2k and cutting them roughly in half

jaunty dawn
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white dwarf one

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wahapedia collects them now

thin ibex
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the space wolves one?

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its for sale on the warhammer site

jaunty dawn
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no

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it uses the monopose phobos models plus a vanguard librarian

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idk if that set of sprues is currently available but its intermittently boxed

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strike team solarien

thin ibex
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also tho

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im happy to throw together a list

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at 1k

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focused on phobos

jaunty dawn
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its the only way to get surpressors so if not rn it should be available again at some point

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no yeah

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this

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sorry calling it a combat patrol was confusing

spice flicker
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I appreciate all the help and insight so far.

thin ibex
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your primary AT are the fists of invictors or weight of fire with the storm speeder

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the infiltrators have a nice "can't be shot and can't deepstrike near them" effect

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thanks to their own rul and hte librarian

spice flicker
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I know for phobos light anti-vehicle I have toyed with the idea of phobos lieutenant with all las-fusil eliminators so they can still shoot and move afterwards.

thin ibex
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absolutely doable

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also synergy with las fusil eliminators and a thunder stormspeeder

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i personally like putting a librarian on eliminators just to make em untargetable

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in most cases anyway

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in vanguard spearhead, if you give librarian the enhancement execute and redeploy, they can shoot and move w/o a lieutenant

spice flicker
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True

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Bolt eliminators get librarian while Las fusil eliminators get the lieutenant

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Might a redemptor and some other changes be better than the storm speeder (never been sold on them tbh.)

thin ibex
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they're decent force multipliers

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except for the one that removes cover. Sadly that one usually doesn't feel too relevant

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though i guess it functionally works like bonus AP

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yall think the votann combat patrol is a good starter set for votann?

desert jay
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Votann range is so small RN it'd be hard for it to not be

thin ibex
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for sure, just brain thinking about how it doesn't have any heavier elements; but i suppose thats actually pretty ok

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i already have an extra zerker

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squad cause i got it as a gift

spice flicker
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Honestly best Combat patrol currently would be dark elear imo.

tired cairn
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RIP lone operatives

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I really like the split point concept and I hope they extend that to any other army that allows allies

pine matrix
desert jay
paper bluff
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I wonder if you'll be able to play them in the PvP mode again

unreal cosmos
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It's basically a data core I think.

past sphinx
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wait

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helmetless marines

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i see now

paper bluff
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Also could be shock absorber

jaunty dawn
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its a doodad

upper canopy
thin ibex
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Salamander's theme list

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unintentionally hella mechanized

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but gets my heavy lads into place

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i feel like 6 eradicators will worry any single entity that exists

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12 should terrify

soft willow
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What's the strength of their weapons?

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Because I think IK will give this a hard time if you don't have a way of getting +1 to wound or something.

thin ibex
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Str 9, str10 up close, but full rerolls for hit, wound, and damage against monsters and vehicles; outputting about 8 melta shots

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str 10 because of firestorm assault force

soft willow
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Str 10 means they'll get work in against armigers so it's probably alright.

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They'll still struggle on the big knights, but I think that's less of an issue.

thin ibex
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i figure oath of moment and full rerolls help there a bit

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though they would benefit from a thunder storm speeder

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just didn't have the points

soft willow
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It helps but you won't be able to count on it, the Str 10 is more important there.

#

The redeemer and repulsors are your anti-horde tech?

thin ibex
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and the impulsors; effectively clear out the chaff, then focus the heavies down with weight of fire/choke out their ability to meaningfully score with map control now that their lighter units are gone

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i also think the lastalon is potentially worse than the onslaught at pinging wounds off of heavies

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though getting to str 10 might be worth

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but they have lascannons too

soft willow
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I think it works, but the real test is getting it on the table.

dense sedge
spice flicker
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I found that infernus Marines are the best in repylsor ececutioners

upper canopy
past sphinx
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I think I got my gold down

solemn gull
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That is a very nice cold gold

past sphinx
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i wanted age without weathering and boy im happy with what i got

untold swallow
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You know what someone should really do

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Make Space Wolf terminators with modified chaos term heads

solemn gull
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Mammoth marines would be dope

unreal cosmos
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I'm so envious of the tusks

jaunty dawn
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13th company!

unreal cosmos
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Is there any known heraldry associated with Chief Apothecary? I know Librarians have symbols for different ranks but I can't find anything about the Apos.

jaunty dawn
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not that I know of

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apothecary is a relative newcomer to being an independent character

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horus heresy era primus medicae

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i dont really see anything that stands out but maybe inspirational? idk

unreal cosmos
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Ah gotcha, thanks. Not a big issue but I wanted to check if there was anything pre-existing

jaunty dawn
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yeah :)

unreal cosmos
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The character I have in mind is pretty pragmatic so I think being kinda bare-bones makes sense. I'm toying with the idea that in this Chapter, the specialist branches use more of the designated color the higher rank they are, so going full bone white.

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Whereas a normal Apothecary might just have the right pauldron and arm.

paper bluff
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I would recommend against whole white since it is a pain

jaunty dawn
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sure!

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id disagree

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plus its like one character

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nd pushing yourself is good

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but also modern paints and technical resources means that is not nearly as true as it used to be

unreal cosmos
paper bluff
jaunty dawn
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my chapters official chief apoth is a dreadnought. which is pretty distinctive automatically

paper bluff
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You know. You never hear about the apothecarion combined with chaplins

unreal cosmos
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I know Apothecaries seem to be pure cold white by default but I want to set them apart from veterans

unreal cosmos
unreal cosmos
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Lemme copy paste

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``The apothecaries of the Solar Bears are steeped in Arctican mysticism, almost more than their counterparts in the Librarium; they are not mere custodians of gene-seed, but healers, embodying concepts of divine motherhood and primal magic. Chief Apothecary Mechnikov, however, considers herself above such things: she is a scientist first and foremost, elevated above the petty duties of tending to individual astartes and free to pursue larger questions of life and death. Even as a neophyte she was obsessed with the unique and mysterious properties of her own gene-lineage, and in studying it she found she must study many other things, in time becoming a remarkable authority of chemistry, anatomy, and pathology, human and otherwise. Her cold aloofness often puts her at odds with colleagues, but her skill cannot be denied, especially after her study of greenskin spores proved instrumental in driving off the waaagh that so recently ravaged Arctica.

Mechnikov sees Hive Fleet Leviathan as more of an enticing biological puzzle to be explored than an existential threat, and has enthusiastically volunteered to participate in the harvesting of tyranid bio-material for study. She wades into battlefields with Gravis armor and a collection tank, and is often accompanied by Eradicators capable of dispatching the largest of specimens–though to her frustration, and secretly at the Chapter Master’s orders, they are more concerned with destroying their foes than giving their charge intact material.``

paper bluff
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......white scars successors

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And they'd be heavy calvary based on byzantine Cataphractii

paper bluff
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Deep secret is they came from a Blackshield group that came back to the imperium

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Alternative idea. Loyalist world eaters and the planet is of survivors of Nuceria

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That toned things down after Angron destroyed everything

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And if it was like that there could be "the fathers of rage" the founders of chapter possession of fury so great they lost themselves to it and only barely did they control them selves. And while the chapter venerates these old fathers it is known to never loose oneselve to that great fury and look to your brothers in combat and seek understanding in each other

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With that second idea could be also that the librarians get medical training also and are more a support than attack

past sphinx
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RIP to the legends eisnhorn and Karamazov lord of the pimp throne

junior robin
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😭

paper bluff
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Nooooook

upper bluff
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Karamazov is legends now?!?!?!!?!?!??

#

They had an opportunity to give Agents their own Primarch basically smh

rocky shale
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I could see him getting a plastic kit eventually

upper bluff
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Yeah, it's just a let down that it's not at the same time as agents gaining more focus

junior robin
#

...so I guess this also means there is no generic inquisitor since they are metal/resin?

pine matrix
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That'd be crazy if that's the case

junior robin
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they did use the picture of one in an article so guess I might be wrong...

rocky shale
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Nah the inquisitor is confirmed

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It's just still finecast

junior robin
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really wish they would make a plastic kit with 10+ weapons options and upgrades so you can turn a GK termie into a inqusitor

thin ibex
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How does non astartes Terminator armor work anyway

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The human doesn't have a black carapace, so are they much less mobile/dexterous in it?

upper canopy
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The same largely

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But yeah

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You're in a giant robot suit

rocky shale
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I'm just gonna use some of the million really cool inquisitor 3d models on Etsy lol

thin ibex
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I'm guessing they don't also come standard with a crux terminatus, and would need to get an iron halo or forcefield installed?

rocky shale
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The cool thing with agents is that so many of your units are just random scrimblos

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Nobody can tell if you're using the wrong models

solemn gull
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You get to be pretty creative

past sphinx
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10 thousand blorbos against the darkness

paper bluff
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Sometimes the blorbos are for the darkness

finite compass
paper bluff
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NEVER.

cosmic tulip
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Help

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Too many steel helms

pastel rampart
floral herald
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Ultramarines

unreal cosmos
spice flicker
#

Hmmm..... I know epic heroes are discouraged in crusade but would celestine be worth taking as a later addition to a SoB crusade force? A friend asked me and I was curious what you all thought.

pulsar cairn
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Not weird

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Just funny as to how specific that is

desert jay
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Dang, Agents codex might be losing Karazamov and Eisenhorn

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B/c they said "the three named inquisitors" in the codex

jaunty dawn
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she shows up everywhere so

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like she was the super unit for the faction in dawn of war I think?

spice flicker
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That's what I figured but was wanting a second opinion before passing it along to my friend.

jaunty dawn
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shes more like stuff like the avatar of khaine than like

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a Dude

spice flicker
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Well my thing was I was trying to remind him that epic heroes don't get bonuses like generic heroes do but with celestine's gimmicks I wasn't sure it the trade off wasn't entirely not worth it.

jaunty dawn
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mm

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I think that more makes epic heroes unsuitable for like

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the focus of your force

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I mean like

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gsc patriarchs are epic heroes

upper bluff
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Well not anymore

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They can get enhancements now just you can only have one patriarch

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Which is a great change, but also the GSC Codex kinda gutted a lot of their anti tank so...

jaunty dawn
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oh shit that is good

spice flicker
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I'll let them know to go ahead and put celestine in his future list. At least my hydras will have more interesting targets to shoot down.

untold swallow
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You know

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I think I've realized a chapter gimmick I'd be happy with for a homebrew chapter

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I don't think I've ever read of a Space Marines chapter that puts the monk part of their supposed warrior-monk-ness to the forefront

jaunty dawn
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monke...

untold swallow
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lol

jaunty dawn
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what are you thinking for bringing that out more?

spice flicker
upper bluff
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SM are supposed to be warrior monks?

dense sedge
#

gsc patriarchs feel much less points than it feels they should be

past sphinx
uneven ember
past sphinx
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Every inch of them is Teutonic

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some less than others

thin ibex
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Yes astartes are effectively tactical warrior monks in the tradition of crusading knights

past sphinx
#

the modern boys even have tilting shields

thin ibex
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Just have chapter specific deviation to greater or lesser degrees

untold swallow
thin ibex
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The most like

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On the nose obvious ones being the black Templars imo

past sphinx
#

one is literally just the templars

#

yeah

floral herald
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With the habits and weird orders

uneven ember
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also the robes

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sad Catholic gay boys love their robes

thin ibex
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Dark angels rock it, but their skew is into Arthurian vibes

jaunty dawn
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calling each other brother

floral herald
past sphinx
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The worship of christianity with a sword instead of a bible is something not well taught, praising god by putting a hole in the non believer is the Warrior monk way

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and its what marines scew into

thin ibex
jaunty dawn
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the caliban lore has been around a while

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but until lion came back it wasnt super relevant to 40k

thin ibex
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Well warrior monk in the western tradition, rather than like of the eastern one

floral herald
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Yeah in 30k they were more Arthurian I think

past sphinx
floral herald
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Since Caliban and the hunters and such were more present

finite compass
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Still, imagine getting crane-kicked by a guy in Power Armor

past sphinx
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fascinating in their mindsets however, espically given how alien they are to our conceptions today

upper bluff
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Oh I knew they had a kinda knight theme going on but when I think monk I think more like overtly religious. And there's a lot of that with space marines but not so much writing manuscripts

untold swallow
balmy wave
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There's definitely a thing about meditation

upper bluff
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Like I couldn't imagine a space marine recording Beowulf

past sphinx
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You praise god by killing his enemies when your a warrior monk

balmy wave
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A focus on mastering yourself to master the blade

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Especially in that early Deathwing

past sphinx
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hence why the warrior bit comes before the monk bit

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and also run a giant banking system usually

upper bluff
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Yeah, most chapters are warrior monks when they yell "for the emperor" and stuff

balmy wave
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Each wing of the Hexagrammaton was about total dominance in one area of war, and brotherhood with others who are dedicated to the same

untold swallow
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I think what could be cool is the first act of a fully inducted member of the chapter would be to finish their manuscript, comprised of their experiences and meditations on the imperial creed and etc

balmy wave
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It's part of why the warrior lodges (chaos cults) never really caught on among the First Legion

past sphinx
untold swallow
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And I imagine the lines between specialized marines like apothecaries, chaplains, and librarians would maybe be a bit blurred

pastel rampart
pine matrix
uneven ember
spice flicker
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What do you guys think of my friend's 2k SoB list for the crusade he'll be joining? He sent me this list after I passed along the idea that celestine was smart to take and is what he's aiming for when they reach 2000 pts.

1960/2000 pts

Celestine
Hospitaller, warlord
Dogmata
3x Palatine, plasma pistols

2x10 battle sisters squads, simulacrum, flamer, heavy flamer (dogmata with one squad)

1x10 celestian Sacresants, Halberd (hospitaller squad)
3x Dominion squads with meltaguns (Palatines here)
5x Zephyrim Squad (celestine secret service)

2x castigator, autocannons, hkm, Storm bolter
2x mortifiers, anchorite sacrophagus, heavy bolters, saws

4x rhinos (dominions+celestian transports)

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He never specified a detachment

past sphinx
uneven ember
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really tho I'm more thinking "fill the bellies of our ships with honorably plundered loot from the xenos and heretics we fought"
"get some generous gifts from the planets we helped defend, often after sitting on chunks of retaken territory giving meaningful looks until they spontaneously decided to suggest that we keep some of it"

pine matrix
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I guess I kinda assumed imperial governors and the like are obligated to contribute to local chapters, like you would for a local monastery except the monks are semi-divine posthuman killing machines. Unless the chapter is directly in control of a territory, like the Astral Claws in the Malestrom

balmy wave
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Well Astartes are often separated from the standard imperial chain of command

pine matrix
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I'd guess the chapters' serfs send polite "requests" for supplies and they're graciously provided by whatever local authority is closest

balmy wave
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So while they'll be heeded and honoured no governor is obligated to help the angels

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And the chapter's officers will do the communication themselves most of the time

pine matrix
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Mm, yeah I agree local authorities don't have a strict obligation to aid a chapter but denying them a request would probably not reflect favourably on them, any more than denying a imperial regiment or order of sisters. Oh you think you need that grain more than the emperor's angels who are defending you from all evil? That's heresy and a half

balmy wave
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The Sororitas are the Chamber Militant of the Inquisition's Ordo Hereticus, refusing aid to them is basically full Heresy

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And they're actually in the structures of the Imperium in a way the Astartes aren't

pine matrix
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True, I guess they can officially demand

pastel rampart
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Yeah like I don't think space marines have to buy anything, ever, because they're the sword of the emperor etc etc and just get what they need for free through complex treaties dating back thousands of years, but if they did have to put a price on anything they could buy out an entire system worth of planets off a single ship alone.

solemn gull
pine matrix
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I'm honestly imagining Space Marines a bit like the queen of England, she never bought anything, she just requested it and oh look at that it's available, how very kind of you

balmy wave
balmy wave
solemn gull
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Also most chapters have forges that make stuff in house

balmy wave
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When it's one of the big chapters in particular

pastel rampart
solemn gull
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a module for WanG was about scouts trying to recapture a bolt manafactorum so the more mass produced marine stuff is probably outsourced

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But yeah stuff like kraken rounds are definitely something the chapter serfs make

balmy wave
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I think the Adeptus Mechanicus is also that kind of autonomous

pine matrix
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Chapter getting pulled into a conflict by their ancient treaty to the agri-world that provides the super grain that goes into the marine's daily vitamin gruel

balmy wave
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Often a chapter will be allied to a particular Forge World and their subsidiaries

pastel rampart
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Yeah.

pine matrix
balmy wave
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Love that

pastel rampart
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Ultras are an outlier and either they do or I imagine they have their own personal manufactorum on-hand to build whatever they want.

balmy wave
pastel rampart
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Dark Angels...I dunno, maybe somewhere in The Rock? Blood Angels, uuuuh maybe.

balmy wave
balmy wave
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From Baal

paper bluff
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To the person that talked about monk'ness earlier. Consider for the librarians this

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pine matrix
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Ultramar is directly administered by the Ultras, isn't it?

pastel rampart
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Ultramar ignores a bunch of rules but who's gonna tell'em otherwise.

balmy wave
solemn gull
paper bluff
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Ultramar makes up mose of the ultima segmentum doesn't it?

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Or like a third yeah?

balmy wave
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Marneus Calgar holds what is technically one of the highest seats in the realm and will be heeded by other planets in the sector - and other chapters from Ultramar - but because of his primary job as Papa Smurf the actual governance is left to mortals

pine matrix
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He comes back occasionally and corrects their excel spreadsheets before going back to punch more aliens

untold swallow
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I assume some form of orthodox robe

balmy wave
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Forge worlds and other production planets in the sector probably prioritise sons of Guilliman and have agreements with them but, as the Adeptus Astartes is a separate entity, they don't technically serve the sons of Guilliman

pine matrix
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And then Big G appeared and corrected Calgar's spreadsheets

balmy wave
paper bluff
balmy wave
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That's a crunchy pic

pine matrix
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Are Chaplains just even more monky monks?

balmy wave
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Chaplains are honestly mostly chaplains

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Like, a monastery or a parish or a military regiment has dedicated chaplains

untold swallow
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The chaplains in the homebrew chapter I'm thinking of, if that's what you're talking about, are the even more massive nerds

desert jay
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We should have Abbots instead of Captains

untold swallow
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They are the two rabbis in the corner arguing with each other over some self-admittedly minor difference in interpretation before they chuckle and grab their chainswords to go kill some space elves

balmy wave
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And their job is to tend to the specific spiritual needs of their flock

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So Astartes chapters don't follow the Imperial Creed and Imperial Faith (except the Black Templars, amongst others), most chapters' chaplains are mostly psychiatrists tbf

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And very violent cheerleaders

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Off and on the battlefield respectively

desert jay
balmy wave
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When you get to more religious chapters like the BT, yeah then you get the very very very very violent rabbis and pastors

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But most of the time chaplains split their time between being shrinks and being cheerleaders

balmy wave
balmy wave
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And the majority of the Unforgiven, the descendants of the Dark Angels

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Some of their chaplains are standard, but many are actually interrogator-chaplains

untold swallow
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You know

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For supreme irony

balmy wave
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Part time cheerleaders as normal, but instead of being shrinks the rest of the time they're the Spanish Inquisition

untold swallow
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These guys are a religious chapter

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And their most important figure after big E is Malcador

balmy wave
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Ah

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Chadcador wouldn't like that

untold swallow
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He would not

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Sad irony, the 40k specialty

balmy wave
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Eyyy

balmy wave
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-# AoS is better than 40K

cosmic tulip
upper canopy
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The thing is like

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Age of Sigmar is better as a tabletop wargame

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40k is better at everything else

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Which is, to me, insane

dense sedge
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I like AoS's modelling as well

balmy wave
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I honestly like the overall narrative of AoS more

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And lots of the faction lore too

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Individual novels, I haven't read a ton but Robert Rath is just such a good author for 40K

tepid stratus
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40k had a 20 year head start on world building and writing. AOS needed it's first 6 years just to figure out what it could be once the lawyers took their fingers off the trigger

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I'm in the process of binging more AOS books. There's some good shit coming out of black library recently

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Currently about to start the second Cado Ezechiar novel

balmy wave
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And so far has lasting consequences beyond new models

tepid stratus
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The AOS storyline gets better every edition

balmy wave
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Like, a faction, a subfaction and a line of Stormcast models got iced this edition but not only did they get valid (for a year) rules
They got in-lore explanations

tepid stratus
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Yeah we didn't get the "who knows what happened to old Yarrick?". We got a campaign book that included the on screen deaths of most of those discontinued stormcast characters

upper canopy
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I mean like

tepid stratus
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Khul 2, stormcast 0 lol

upper canopy
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Books and video games and art

finite compass
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I still miss the Old World

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Though let's be fair. There's less essential Old World/Warhammer Fantasy novels and the like out there than 40k

thin ibex
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every time i tried to dip my toes into army building ,stormcast frequently threw me off by having suge a humongous range of HQs

finite compass
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In fact the only ones i'd really throw out there are the Bill King Gotrek and Felix books

balmy wave
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Beasts of Chaos? The Dawnbringer Crusades did a good job civilising the lands around them, and many human chaos worshippers did a cull of non-aligned gors.
Bonesplitterz? The Vermindoom drove the majority of them mad due to their primal attunement to the realms themselves, and the rest mostly wiped each other out
Sacrosanct? Sigmar recalled them to Azyr in order for them to do the job they were first forged for, much to the disappointment of the Sacrosanct Stormcast themselves

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These are supported, realistic, and in the last case truly sad reasons for the loss of models

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This extends to some Old World units that were valid for Cities of Sigmar until recently too, such as Phoenix Guard: their raison d'etre and central base was destroyed in the Vermindoom.

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When 40K wants to phase out old models with no replacements, there's little explanation explicitly given

tepid stratus
balmy wave
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Right, I forgot about that tbh

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But it also goes to show that AoS knows how to raise the stakes of a new character

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New girl on the table, what does she do? Destroys an entire line of models.

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Cynicism for the doylist reason is understandable, but the watsonian reason is sound, and a classic trope to boot

tepid stratus
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Man I can't wait to get to my Abraxia, I've got her primed but I need to finish the fellriders on my desk first when I get back from vacation

cosmic tulip
balmy wave
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Lore, models, community engagement, balancing and actual game play

cosmic tulip
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Also like

balmy wave
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Double turns notwithstanding

cosmic tulip
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A good community

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It’s hard to be a fascist when the main human faction is multicultural as fuck

balmy wave
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Yeah people don't go out and buy a new army every month to keep up with the meta

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Oh that too

tepid stratus
balmy wave
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It is weird how much it is a smaller proportion actually

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Why does 40K have a higher sweat percentage?

tepid stratus
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A longer standing tournament scene paired with popularity and a history of rotating army power

uneven ember
tepid stratus
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Yeah you don't want to refuse the astartes when they need a resupply. That's how you get dropped in priority when the chapter gets a call for help

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That and the tax man is gonna give you the side eye

uneven ember
#

while at the same time, well
I don't think most Techmarines could put together a Battle Barge with stuff the Chapter has lying around

balmy wave
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Battle Barges in particular are capable of being built only by the largest of Forge Worlds

tepid stratus
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That's where the mechanicum offers to finance the project and in return if the forge world gets attacked that battle barge shows the fuck up

balmy wave
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Not every chapter even has one

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Even in the Era Indomitus

uneven ember
balmy wave
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Also, in terms of space, one Battle Barge can very easily support one entire BT crusade

uneven ember
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(It may have been delivered gift-wrapped.)
("well, it's really heavy...")

balmy wave
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Up to around 400 Marines plus support staff and hardware

jaunty dawn
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astartes homeworld are also exempt from tithe other than the gene seed

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which is basically so that the space marines can just benefit from the planets industry

tepid stratus
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They lose a regiment worth of youth in novitiate recruitment anyways

uneven ember
jaunty dawn
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and then space marines are dumb and are like 'the best use of this fact is to maintain this planet at a post apocalyptic level'

uneven ember
jaunty dawn
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but yeah chapter agreements with forge worlds are super important

balmy wave
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I do also believe that planets with a chapter Hold on them have a reduced tithe burden, for the Militarum at least

bright dove
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Most chapters lack the talent of culture building to make that an easy answer.

uneven ember
# uneven ember my Templars' homebrew lore has my crew's Battle Barge as a "thank you' from Mars...

kind of related to this, because I think this is kinda cool
I was writing my lore with a half-eye toward Arthurian motifs, and wanted something that related to the Holy Grail
which I thought worked with the Ebon Chalice, and then did a bit of research into the setting and found that the Templars were at the second Siege of Terra where Alicia Dominica took the Chalice and the Sisters of Battle were founded, which I thought was a neat bit of synchronicity (also the Ebon Chalice shares a color scheme with the Templars)

thin ibex
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i feel like

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you dont say no to astartes, but you can utilize the layers and layers of social and military obligations/oaths/social expectations to "say no"

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but you still dont unless you're pretty confident in your position

uneven ember
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I also had a Captain model who I ran as a Marshal (when I needed the army-wide Ld bonus but didn't want to spend all the points on the bells and whistles for my Marshal Fuck Shit Up) but fluffed as a Castellan (because there's only one Marshal per crusade) and just had him be a really really good Castellan
and then had the idea that he might fall to Chaos and have a split in the ranks

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and also if the traitors blinged up a bit but kept the color scheme and fell to Chaos
it could make them the Knights In Slaanesh's Service

tired cairn
uneven ember
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(also it was a KISS joke, fallen Templars turned black and white Noise Marines = Knights In Slaanesh's Service = KISS)

tired cairn
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oh, lol

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And yeah, Space Marines definitely would believe Hard Times Make Strong Men nonsense lmao

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Good times just around the corner. Anytime now

past sphinx
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its important to remeber that the imperium and specifically space marines are morons

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intentionally

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cherishing ignorance

thin ibex
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ignorance, a literal shield in some cases

untold swallow
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Would it be too 'oc don't steal' to make the first and now deceased chapter master of my homebrew chapter one of Malcador's Knights-Errant lol

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Not one of the eight who founded the greys of course

untold swallow
bright dove
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That's a good way to handle it!

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Like, a lot of Space Marine Worlds never seemed like the Space Marines thought it would produce better aspirants.

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It's just that Space marines, with only a few exceptions, are shit at anything not involving warfare.

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So when they inevitably get confronted with the question of "So how do we recruit?" after the Horus Heresy

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They go "Fuck it, we make it so they don't have a choice"

untold swallow
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Whereas mine are Ned Flanders

uneven ember
bright dove
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Look, once they're in, they're in.

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You will get people who are desperate to be anywhere but on, say, Baal.

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But you get some run of the mill, mid-industrial level world?

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The question suddenly becomes "Why would I leave here?"

desert jay
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For the Glory of the Imperium

bright dove
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Yeah, sure. But are you counting on a Space Marine to sell that?

desert jay
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It's like joining the guard but they give you cooler toys

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(Don't phrase it like that)

uneven ember
bright dove
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Guard regiments are usually forcibly founded.

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Barring places like Cadia or Catchatan.

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They are "We will accept manpower in lieu of taxes."

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"Or in addition."

desert jay
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But also I think if you have like... any hive world and you have like one in a million who think joining the Astartes is a good idea, that's a few thousand applicants (most of whom you're rejecting, but...)

bright dove
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Ah

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But there's the rub

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If the Astartes get a hive world and then the Imperium doesn't get the goods of that hive....

uneven ember
# bright dove Guard regiments are usually forcibly founded.

quoting my DH PC
"Look, I wasn't raised in a Scholia like the Arbite. I didn't geta gearbox stuck in the part of my brain where common sense goes like the Techie. I'm not a mutie witch, no offense intended. I could've stuck around and worked the factories. But I didn't. I made my mark on the paper and signed on to the Imperial Guard, of my own will and mostly sober. And you know why?
"Because I am dokking stupid. Stupid stupid."

bright dove
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Like, the Badab War started up because of a Space Marine chapter fucking up taxes for a large area.

upper canopy
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Marines can also recruit from a hive world but not designate it as their home world

bright dove
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True!

upper canopy
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See the Blood Ravens and Imperial Fists

bright dove
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See the Imperial Fists. 😛

desert jay
upper canopy
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Also no

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Most regiments of the Guard are actually volunteers

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Because most are just the best PDF forces

bright dove
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Define volunteer