Warhammer and Such

[thin ibex]

affecting their rules at all?

[past sphinx]

there straight up isnt left handed chainaxes in the sprue lmao

or swords for that matter

[brittle salmon]

[thin ibex]

ohh

huh

unfortunate

[quaint compass]

Yuppa

Though eviscerators fuck severely and its decently simple to cut and glue a chainaxe to a pistol hand

Most poses don't look good though

[paper bluff]

You know what's funny? Angon's chain axe also in his right hand

[cosmic tulip]

I dunno how true this is I’m not a primarch person

But apart from the primarchs it does seem like GW is good with diverse characters

[paper bluff]

I think very pointedly that morty ||in the garden of nurgle when emps shows up via g man|| is told he is not beyond redemption

[cosmic tulip]

Also

HALF OF THESE ARE CAUSED BY CHAOS

[tired cairn]

All of these are caused by the Emperor

I feel like this is an extremely uncharitable read of the setting

[paper bluff]

One of the only places I've seen neo-pronouns used

[pastel rampart]

Angron and Perty are the only ones that don't feel like a massive reach, honestly.

[cosmic tulip]

I was so fucking confused I had to share it

Like

THE CHAOS GODS ACTIVELY WENT and did stuff

[tired cairn]

In particular "Angron is the bad guy" kind of misses the point I think

But maybe it was written before the character was better developed

[paper bluff]

Angon was right more so than magnus did nothing wrong

[soft willow]

Missing the point? In my Warhammer?

[tired cairn]

Heh

[pastel rampart]

Feels like someone took a different read on these characters, thought they were The Truth™️, and got mad at a guy they made up in their head.

But, y'know, not unusual for tumblr.

[tired cairn]

Took the imperial propaganda at face value

[pastel rampart]

Yeah lol

[cosmic tulip]

Recent post lmao

There’s also this gem

Fucking laughing

It’s not chaos the concept that’s evil it’s.., Chaos. The concept of evil

[pastel rampart]

"Chaos isn't just evil" my battle brother in christ the EC liquidated millions of people to make super drugs.

[cosmic tulip]

Truly the spiky marines that look evil aren’t evil

[pastel rampart]

Chaos in 40k is straight-up evil in every instance we see them.

You can make a more compelling case for Chaos in WHFB or AoS as being more nuanced, but not 40k, sorry.

[tired cairn]

Nitpick: maybe not before the Great Crusade?

[cosmic tulip]

They’ve done that before with a lot of diverse characters

[paper bluff]

Well lorgar book had benine chaos but the stepdad

[cosmic tulip]

Warhammer is certainly not just a cis guy setting and they can do great chaos portrayals like Godeaters Son

[pastel rampart]

Eeeeeeeh, you still have daemon princes who existed before the crusade that were just "and now I'll spread disease to an entire planet for the fun of it"

Maybe less widespread evil.

[tired cairn]

But Warhammer is like the Great Man of history theory, but it's the Emperor screwing things up

Did they ever explain why all those shamans sacrificed themselves to create him?

[pastel rampart]

They saw the future and went "oh shit, chaos bad, better make a superman" and, well.

It didn't work out too well, did it

[tepid stratus]

Godeater's Son is such a good book. Based khorne berserker romance lmao

Darkoath is also really good for a ground level "some dudes giving with chaos" book

[thin ibex]

Iirc it was a gambit after they looked into the future and saw a bunch of fucked up shit, and they decided to bet on making Big E to oppose it or something

[tepid stratus]

But Godeater's Son is fantastic for being an Anti colonialism and Anti imperialist narrative

[bright dove]

That Perty take is funny. He's the pettiest fucking dude.

[thin ibex]

On the subject of like chaotic chaos, I imagine it was more sucessfully chaotic prior to the war in heaven and then the horus heresy; in that there was/is a noted shift in the warp and chaotic corrupted character's creating a expectation that echoes in the warp. The more everyone collectively expects chaos to just do evil fucked up shit, the more they do that.

Though also, I will say, theres a level of "They do shit that seems blatantly evil to us, but from a daemon's perspective, some of that isn't remotely so." Like Nurgle absolutely exists oppositionally to us and makes awful flesh melting diseases and so on, but for Nurgle, its handing out gifts altruistically

[cosmic tulip]

Half the time he does shit from spite and gets mad when it goes wrong

[bright dove]

Daemons do just sorta do what they're made to do.

It's just what they're made to do is usually fucked.

[past sphinx]

Additionally chaos is a reflection of what gets put in. Their really just keeping pace with just how fucked everybody else is

[bright dove]

Also, saying that Fulgrim is demonized for "Fuck it, I'll have fun" is...

Ummm.

[paper bluff]

A little fun is like saying crack-cacaine is a fun hobby

[past sphinx]

People hate how much it takes to make a man happy

[paper bluff]

There's also temptation sword involved

Man had his very own eletro-chemical whispering in his ear

[bright dove]

Yeah, Fulgrim got full on pushed into addictive behavior and spiraled into self-destructive and other-destructive actions.

For as much as I love "Magnus Did Nothing Wrong," dude was given every chance to not.

Basically told directly to his face "Hey, this is dangerous, you need to stop"

The Emperor is definitely at fault for some of the problems, but also Magnus was letting dangerous shit happen.

Curze is...

Yes, he's unwell.

He actively and aggressively uses that to do some of the most heinous shit, and he was doing that before Chaos.

[past sphinx]

When you've got the worse possible futures funneled into your head every hour of everyday your bound to need therapy

[bright dove]

Correct. This is another case of the Emperor fumbling badly.

But also Curze is, at his best, a serial killer.

[past sphinx]

I'm going to make my good aligned future seeing son with angel wings and my bad aligned future seeing son who only see bad stuff and I will not expect it to go poorly at all

[bright dove]

Also, Angron was right.

[paper bluff]

He didn't only see bad. He always just assumed that the worse option would happen given how nostromo crime world shaped him

It was in his primarch boom when you see this where he saw visions that if he had spared a kid he could have been an upstanding person or also stabbing cruze and getting away then becoming legendary criminal for living after meeting the nighthaunter

[past sphinx]

So we could all still be living in that moment

I remain an HH truther

Nobodys ever seen this emperor fellow

[paper bluff]

Ultimately the primarchs were shaped by their childhood

[bright dove]

The post also ignores the other Primarchs.

[past sphinx]

Like morty

[floral herald]

I don’t know about this, Angron is certainly not presented as a villain for that particular thing

[bright dove]

Oh it covered Morty, I just don't know about him much.

[cosmic tulip]

I feel like this is an example of

[floral herald]

Metatextually at least

[cosmic tulip]

An attempt at trying to misinterpret things from a benevolent place of inclusion

When said characters are explicitly designed

As GREEK TRAGIC HEROES

[bright dove]

Angron is an incredibly tragic figure who is descending into an unstoppable madness.

[cosmic tulip]

if you want diverse mental health, Flesh and Steel and a lot of Warhammer Crime books are great for that!

[bright dove]

His legion does not like him.

[paper bluff]

Angron is a murder machine that knows he is a tool for domination and imperialism.

[cosmic tulip]

But the Primarchs and the HH in particular is designed to be a tragedy everyone should see coming

[past sphinx]

His legion does like him!

[bright dove]

The people he cared about were left to die by his father.

[paper bluff]

Well ish

[past sphinx]

They live the bastard

[bright dove]

Now they do.

[past sphinx]

He hates their fucking guts

[bright dove]

Kharn of all people gets into this.

[floral herald]

The World Eaters liked Angron so much they fucked up their brains in hopes of understanding him

[past sphinx]

They got the nails for big red

[bright dove]

Do you know why they chose the nails?

[paper bluff]

If the empathy powers are true for angron, then his legion would have that same bend. They wanting to understand him and feel his pain. Angron said fuck off you don't want this

Then when they did get copies of the nails put in, "so now you know and have chosen my madness. Walking the same damned path"

[bright dove]

One of the World Eaters out and out calls the nails a mistake that they did to try and earn Angron's love.

[tired cairn]

Do the World Eater apothecaries skip the nails?

[bright dove]

Nobody did.

[tired cairn]

That sounds like hard mode

[paper bluff]

No. The eventual butcher-surgeons did not

[paper bluff]

The bile books have a world eater apothecary character that is great

[bright dove]

Kharn really is a swell guy, the Nails made him into what he is.

[upper canopy]

Fulgrim is evil because he picked up an evil sword

[paper bluff]

Also the nails aren't mindless fury all the time. It suppresses everything else so when not furious it's nothing

All other feelings are made grey but the red hot rush of fury and the whirl of violence

[bright dove]

And yeah, Fulgrim, like Horus, got this inflicted on him.

[upper canopy]

I just think the HH series was a net loss of the quality of 40k

[bright dove]

Like, the ones who went "Sure, we'll rebel" without much of a direct push from Chaos were Angron, Petty Perty, and Curze.

[paper bluff]

Horus got stabbed by the poopkife

[bright dove]

Like I said, inflicted on them.

Magnus, Mortarion, and Horus had to be pushed off the cliff.

... Wait a second.

The post never talks about Lorgar

[past sphinx]

I wonder if abbadon could've actually be talked around

Without uhhh

Samus

Situation

[past sphinx]

Out of like 50 books theres something around 3 worth reading somehow

[paper bluff]

Trauma of monarchia, idol worship, putting a person on a pedestal, etc

Fuck erebus though. That guy chose violence

[upper canopy]

That's because the post is coming from the PoV of LGBT-coded representation and the average tumblr user can't imagine a religious gay

[paper bluff]

Erebus isn't even his name

[cosmic tulip]

I feel like sometimes tumblr gets so representation obsessed they can’t see anything else

Other than something explicitly lgbtq

Which isn’t bad at times?

But.. sometimes has its issues

[paper bluff]

Amusing because believe and faith despite a group damning you for being you despite your belief and love in the mercy of your faith is a powerful go

[jovial berry]

Lorgar goes to super-hell for being Protestant

/j

[bright dove]

Oh, Lorgar is in his own perpetual hell.

He finally rejects all of his emperor worship, gets in the Dark Gods of Chaos Kool-Aid

And what happens?

The entire Imperium starts using his book

[jovial berry]

Yep

Divine comedy ass shit Ngl

[bright dove]

And now, every time he shows up, he will get someone quoting the scripture he wrote at him.

[jovial berry]

True

Reality is Lorgars hell

[upper canopy]

I think Lorgar canonically love that though

like he Just Won

[paper bluff]

He did. I wonder if he's secretly loyalist at this point

[bright dove]

No clue. Lorgar specifics are one of my blind points.

But yeah. Saying Petty Perty has middle child syndrome is the funniest thing from that post, because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the character.

[paper bluff]

If lorgar met gman rn it would be great. Guilliman might actually do ".... you were right. But he should not be worshipped"

[pulsar cairn]

Lorgar hates Guilliman the most i imagine

[pastel rampart]

But you put a hot guy in a priest's outfit and suddenly they're imagining a whole lot of gay stuff.

[paper bluff]

That's what would throw Lorgar off the most!
L: "what did you just say?!"
G: "that you were right Brother. Practical; our father has the powers of a God and inspired worship. I was wrong to mindlessly destroy Monarchia"
L:"**ALL THESE MILLENIA AND NOW THIS IS WHEN YOU TREAT ME LIKE AN UNDERSTANDING BROTHER!?"

[pastel rampart]

I can imagine the scene of those two fighting, then talking, and seemingly coming to an understanding--that maybe, just maybe, Lorgar can come back from damnation

and then

out of nowhere

https://tenor.com/view/steel-chair-gif-19049284

CORAX WITH THE STEEL CHAIR

[thin ibex]

I just want G man vs Lorgar be a fucking brawl

no art or form

just rolling in dirt, scratching, punching, headbutting

But corax might get to him first

[paper bluff]

Like 7 year old brothers ?

[thin ibex]

exactly

[paper bluff]

That would be the best way for rowboat to meet drank deep from the warp Corax

[pastel rampart]

Oh definitely.

Lorgar has left his tower and is doing some shit in the material plane but I hope it's with this constant pressure on his back as Corax pursues him endlessly.

Make that little bitch of a coward sweat

[upper canopy]

I hope when Lorgar shows up in person in 40k he just absolutely kicks the shit out of Corvus so the meme dies

like "Yeah I have to do this every time I go out, it's tiring."

[paper bluff]

Of the traitors to go loyal, lorgar would be amazing and cause a shit storm in thw Fandom. Even more delicious if the word bears claim "that is not our father. He is meditating of the nature of chaos still, so the council says!"

Also if he starts leading the black templars and SoB

[floral herald]

Lorgar might be one of the most powerful people in the setting now

[balmy wave]

Oh for sure

He's one of only two Daemon Princes devoted to all four gods right?

Cos Perturabo is devoted to none which is what makes him Chaos Undivided

[pastel rampart]

M'Kar was undivided, Cherubael is unknown, and Be'Lakor is...technically undivided? But he's more the daemon prince of Starscream.

[paper bluff]

Yes and no. He's devoted to chaos as a whole. Like inverse perty. Pert wants to use chaos as a tool

Another fun idea. Lorgar is getting the golden visions again

[upper bluff]

Idk that much about Lorgar but I think his appearance on the tabletop and new fiction is still a long ways out

Like we know the next chaos faction to get expanded is Emperor's Children

World Eaters are still being worked on hopefully

And with Vashtorr on the rise narratively Dark Mechanicum, Iron Warriors, or a secret third thing are probably on the way

[ebon forge]

What is the name of this Tyranid ?

[south axle]

Neurolictor

Or Steve to his friends

[ebon forge]

Thank ya

Oh so is like
An evolved Psyker Lictor?

[thin ibex]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZPRo9yccp/

[ebon forge]

The new Aqua Team intro is looking fun

[tired cairn]

Yeah, psyker lictor that engages in technically-not-psychic psychological warfare

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/ElzunixArt/status/1818320396120141994

[tired cairn]

(Somehow it doesn't have the psyker keyword)

[ebon forge]

THAT'S A FORK

[ebon forge]

Keywords and making sense challenge (impossible)

[paper bluff]

It took MONTHS for them to get the clue that a custodian character didn't have the deep strike ability but the units he joined by did

Also the silent king doesn't have the triach key word and he is the the triach

[thin ibex]

The character gets the deep strike keyword when the whole unit has it right?

[upper bluff]

I don't think so 😕

[dense sedge]

My brother is so angered by that

[ebon forge]

I am so glad I only care for kill team

[cosmic tulip]

I’m so lucky aos has decent keywords management.

[rocky shale]

Nope, both the character and the unit have to have it if they're attached

If you could deep strike yvraine, visarch, and 12 troupes that would be amazing

[thin ibex]

Hmm

But didn't the neurotyrant get the infantry keyword when it joined the neurogaunts?

[rocky shale]

Infantry keyword is different than the deep strike rule

Deep strike isn't a keyword it's an ability

[thin ibex]

Ah OK

[jaunty dawn]

reincarnation was going to be impossible imminently

so they put all their eggs in one basket to create a being that would never have to reincarnate

or if he did hopefully the megasoul could power through chaos

[tired cairn]

Should have workshopped the personality a bit more

[jaunty dawn]

chaos was getting to the point where it would just eat their souls rather than being able to reincarnate. like how eldar don't really have babies anymore

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah wasn’t it like

Chaos spread and grew in power almost the instant the war in heaven started

There was no hope of halting it for almost anyone

[paper bluff]

Non-dark eldar aren't having kids

As much

You know what would be fun to see with no explanation, a half human half dark eldar character

[balmy wave]

An excellent descriptor for the Dark Prince lol

[paper bluff]

And be'lakor voice actor decided

[cosmic tulip]

That would fuck ngl

And piss off the chuds

I have an entire antifascist half eldar Craftworld

[paper bluff]

They wouldn't even need to explain

They use it for sadism but dark eldar have the best medicine in all 40k

[rocky shale]

Eldar aren't having many kids largely because they don't have enough soulstones to protect them

[solemn gull]

Librarian Obiwan Clusseou's edgy cousin

[paper bluff]

excuse you /j

His name was illiyan nastase

[solemn gull]

oh there are two?

if I had a dime for every time the ultramarines had a half eldar librarion I guess I would have two

[paper bluff]

Obi-Wan Sherlock clusseou was an inquisitor

[past sphinx]

Some might even say the inquisitor

[finite compass]

The OG Himself

[tired cairn]

🤔 are the Exodites having lots of children? They don't need soulstones so long as they stay on the planet right?

[jaunty dawn]

eldar being physically unable to have many children is a thing

dark eldar resort to cloning and ever weakening souls

but that can be functional if you vamp ppls souls

[alpine wing]

i finished mine a while ago, they're a bit damaged (not as bad as my ironstrider :c) but they're all made at long last

[jaunty dawn]

nice!

one of my ironstriders fell and is currently in many pieces haha

[soft willow]

May the Omnissiah bless your restoration of his most holy machine.

[uneven ember]

The Trueborn DEldar are one of my favorite things in the setting
Having a kid is like a conspicuous consumption luxury item

[pine matrix]

I didn't realise that was a thing, though now I think about it children arent mentioned in the two Path of the Eldar books I read...

[pine matrix]

Yeah, it fucking rules. Still wish we had the option to upgrade regular kabalites into trueborn. Or, for that matter, have them as a separate unit!

[finite compass]

That used to be a thing, at least.

They were an Elites choice that basically functioned as a Warrior squad, with easier access to weapon options.

It was both very effective and very in-character to have a Trueborn squad that just spent the entire match in a Raider and flew around doing drive-bys

[uneven ember]

"Troops Option But Better" used to be much more of a regular feature in army lists as an Elites option

[pastel rampart]

That brings to mind a video game set in Commorragh that's just a reskinned Saint's Row.

[uneven ember]

i would play that

[pastel rampart]

Divebombing out of a Raider while dual-wielding splinter pistols, John Woo-style.

[jovial berry]

Cursed thought that immediately came to us after reading this: “Wait but Lorgar is- ooohhhhh”

[mental birch]

Any BFG players know way to bully out 9x strike cruisers ahahha

[alpine wing]

https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/how-many-rats-new-york-city-sewer-size-rhx3c0pjt

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-to-war-vermintide-gif-15706902

[pulsar cairn]

@surreal crown 🐀 thought this might be something worthy of pinging you

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/rnrqkq123/status/1818177737049383227

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Battle Sister
Commission work 🐙

Twitter · Jul 30, 2024, 6:52 AM

[pulsar cairn]

i love their helmets

[upper canopy]

SoB and Astartes doing the predator handshake with "having iconic helmets that make their character designs twice as good but needing to take them off for what is basically fan service"

[surreal crown]

🏙️ ⚔️ 🐀

[solemn gull]

Massive respect to people who use helmeted heads for their leaders

[paper bluff]

Listen I'm bad at painting faces okay? I make the painting on the leader a little fancier to differentiate

But for Valerian I used a biker head because I had spares and it works well

[pine matrix]

I helmeted everyone in my HH alpha legion force, seemed appropriate

[cosmic tulip]

I only do helmetless in very specific cases

"they're dating your honor"

[uneven ember]

so I'm just always a fan of the Exalted rules for helmets
which are "helmets have no mechanical effects"

[finite compass]

True enough. Exalted, however, is also the sort of game where you can go "I parry the army" and have a significant chance of actually doing so.

[jaunty dawn]

im not a huge fan of the sisters helmets

partially cause theyre fairly proportional which is weird in 40k

so I just use heads and a few skitarii vanguard helms

all my celestians are hooded

plus the white hair is a nice spot colour

[past sphinx]

they should have kept the back part of the sallet!

[pine matrix]

You know what I want? More Dark Eldar heads, I need them to have more expressions l. Only the archon is grinning!

The kill team was good for this, I want more shit eating smirks

[solemn gull]

I always run into the exact opposite situation. Like using some 40k parts for necromunda is difficult because guardsman heads are like twice the size of a Delaque head

Also the giant hands

[upper canopy]

https://fixupx.com/TJ_Paints_Games/status/1818553623074283654

[solemn gull]

that’s a really interesting question

I think as long as you both agree on what size is counts as for being targetted your good, obviously this person is trying to cheese the fuck out of it but still

But come on swapping to a “stowing the gun and drawing their blade” pose for entering melee combat is dope

[soft willow]

Models should have a specific set of dimensions that is decided by their base.

Like in Infinity or Warmachine.

Then people could go wild modeling or doing cool shit like this without messing up the gameplay.

[uneven ember]

Sure, but the "helmets have no mechanical effects" part applies to everyone, because the reasoning isn't that you're such an invincible sword princess that you don't need to bother, it's that Exalted is about style and they want "featureless masked helm" and "in full armor but with exposed face and hair flowing in the breeze" to be equally viable choices based on nothing but style preference

[unreal cosmos]

Warhammer isn't exactly grounded in realism

[past sphinx]

people sing about "all helmets all the time" but i didnt get into this joint for a sea of dudes without personality

gimmie fucked up faces

gimmie weirdos and androgynous vampire freaks

gimmie Dave

[jaunty dawn]

I do like that there are more holstered helmets nowadays

[finite compass]

You know what I really liked. The old 3e Stormtrooper helmets

These guys

[solemn gull]

You can have personality displayed in helmets and faces can be fine in plenty of situations

[past sphinx]

finally got mine painted up this year, riding around in a repressor to, properly swish

[solemn gull]

My main gripe is the space marines and tau or anyone else who is covered in armour but leaves their brainpan completely naked

[past sphinx]

if i was a far future super soldier i would simply see the bullet and move my head

[finite compass]

One of the HH books. I think it was Fall of Prospero

But there's a throwaway bit with one of the Thousand Sons viewpoint characters musing to himself that he would be in a lot more trouble if the Space Wolves that kept attacking his position would bother to wear their helmets.

Because as it is, he's picking them off with headshots

[past sphinx]

says the dudes with the neck snappers

their helmetless savages vs our 3 foot tall hats

[finite compass]

30k era Thousand Sons

So no giant helmet crests, typically.

[past sphinx]

yeah 30k sons

you cannot stop them

they love a good hat

[finite compass]

Not as much as the Chaos Dwarfs. (RIP)

[solemn gull]

Either way unless it’s someone like the space wolves who want to be able to scream at their enemies or orks there’s no reason to show off your bald head

[jaunty dawn]

these guys are peaaak

[past sphinx]

you cannot feast on the neck veins of the enemy without bearing your teeth!

[finite compass]

Or the Psyker excuse

[jaunty dawn]

surprisingly large portion of their design is still present in tempestus

[solemn gull]

(What is the statistic of bald to hair in the 40k heads I know it is close to 50/50)

[past sphinx]

theres a lot of mohawks

[finite compass]

I think it trends mostly bald for Space Marines in general

Slightly less so for Chaos Marines, thanks to the preponderance of topknots.

Eldar, of both varieties, naturally get the award for most fabulous hair

[desert jay]

I'm in the other opinion, that 3D LOS was a mistake and you should have a set of rules that doesn't involve kneeling down and seeing if you can peer through holes/gaps in terrain

[past sphinx]

man Yvraine has such a cool model, shame about the plot

[finite compass]

Well, what do you expect. She isn't another goddamn space marine

[past sphinx]

imagine having a central female character in a male dominated setting be responable for one of the potentally biggest upsets in faction relationships only to have all that be bent to revive a C tier primarch and have the rest of your arch be taken out behind the shed for it

[solemn gull]

Also the community solely remembers her as Guilliman’s girlfriend

[soft willow]

Oh 1000% but GW will never really give us that.

[desert jay]

Yeah I mean in general wargame design

[soft willow]

Shatterpoint has a great set of rules for this.

[desert jay]

I've always been dissatisfied with the design of "imagine a cyllinder projecting upwards from the base"

[soft willow]

It works but has flaws for sure.

[south axle]

I enjoy Infinity's cylinder style

[jaunty dawn]

yeaaah

I think that's the problem I have with cylinder sillhouette actually

that it's a compromise between the like, simulationist extreme of true los and a novel system

because part of me is like

true los's basis in the like Wargaming Hobby historical roots etc idk I just like that its approach is pretending your little dudes are real people in real terrain

it's just Right to me

but i'm not blind to the problems it has

I like kill team which still has true los but has other rules

like concealing

heavy cover vs light cover

[solemn gull]

It does feel charming to have your short little goblin duck perfectly behind a barrel

[jaunty dawn]

they matter more

yeah exactly!

[past sphinx]

genuinely a reason to play squats in necromunda

genuinely better cover

granted its also harder to shoot back but tomato tomato

[solemn gull]

I’ll one up you, ratlings are the pinnacle of tiny hitboxes

[past sphinx]

tragically no ratlings in the books yet

suprisingly

[solemn gull]

I meaaaannn there is that 4” M venator statblock

[floral herald]

This also happens with LoV in Kill Team it’s so funny

That said I think non-TLOS rules can also be cumbersome and annoying so I’m less against it

[soft willow]

Yeah there are trade offs to both styles.

[paper bluff]

I kinda want to get the new necromunda tyranids

[solemn gull]

Necromunda is great you should try it

Also every model is a necromunda model!

[paper bluff]

I mean these ones

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-small-squidward-here-comes-a-giant-fist-scared-gif-17785463

[floral herald]

I need to see if there's people near me who play

I love the way Eschers and a few of the other gangs I can't remember the names of look

[solemn gull]

Yeah I know about those ones but it’s a joke in the community that every model is a necromunda model because it’s very freeform

[paper bluff]

Ah

[solemn gull]

There are several statlines for bounty hunters and other units so you can go all in on making a slow hulking monster to add to your gang or a fast flying jetpack thief

[finite compass]

There's also 'Underhive Scum' you can hire as mercs

And various options for Brutes

And a lot of gangs don't have model ranges, so they're basically all counts-as or convert your own. Which, I frankly love.

Like Helot Cults, or Venators

[solemn gull]

Necromunda is very much a fiction first game as far as a wargame goes

Narrative skirmish is probably the right name

[uneven ember]

There's also a GSC Gang list which is pretty much 'do you have a GSC army? Well then you have a Necromunda gang"

[solemn gull]

true I am building a box for necromunda rn

[paper bluff]

well I'd have todo goliathes because my main army is custodes

[solemn gull]

lol you would probably like corpse grinders then too

[past sphinx]

making fucked up Mundans is a grand old time

just getting in there and sawing and sculpting and bashing

excellent creative exercise

if somethings worth doing its worth doing poorly

[uneven ember]

nah that's dope

[floral herald]

https://x.com/legs_pizza/status/1818832446026068168?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Nephrite Heart (@legs_pizza) on X

I bring a certain energy to the hard sci-fi message board that will probably get me site banned

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 2:13 AM

Mood

[plucky token]

me

[dense sedge]

I really like those

[mental birch]

Bases for

Battlefleet Gothic

[plucky token]

The forbidden candy…

[paper bluff]

Smh, didn't get the jumbo

[thin ibex]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZPRoXrS6g/

[tired cairn]

When the Tyranid player rolls really poorly when attacking the space marine lieutenant

Also, who knew they had such long necks

[thin ibex]

i thought it was just neat seeing it in motion

[jovial berry]

Holy shit

This would be our reaction:

https://tenor.com/view/kyoshi-gif-25351466

[paper bluff]

I do like how a lictor would be like that. The head is different than what I would imagine though

[upper bluff]

The fact it tries to turn invisible again during the execution is so cool

[uneven ember]

oohh I like it

[paper bluff]

The lictor is one of the only tyranids capable of hate and malice!

[upper canopy]

I always thought a Lictor would have a squid beak

[paper bluff]

Yeah seems like it doesn't it

[upper canopy]

Though y'know

Tyranids aren't really known for being "the same thing forever" in lore so

These specific lictors having teeth because they mainly fight Guardsmen or whatever is fine

[thin ibex]

In comp it's common to bring a lictor or two right? For secondaries?

[paper bluff]

I always kinda thought of the ymarl genestealer related to the lictor

[bright dove]

To my knowledge, yes. Good for diving backlines

[tired cairn]

Cheap lone ops are popular this edition

[finite compass]

Oh my god, I hate youtube...

New channel pops up talking about how GW and Warhammer have lost the creative spark

Me: "Oh, this is going to be about the monopose models, designs that make it stupidly difficult to go wild with a paint scheme, having all of one loadout per unit, and the refusal to have models or even bits work across game line."

Video: "Ackchewally it's DEI."

[upper canopy]

Sounds about right.

Fash don't actually ever care about creative integrity

[solemn gull]

I don’t think they would of ever liked 40k

Like what “Good ol’ days” are they talking about

[verbal ermine]

DEI?

[finite compass]

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

AKA: TeH WoKe

[upper canopy]

it's a new dogwhistle for saying that non-whites are only in any position of power because they were gifted it to be woke

[verbal ermine]

hoogh

incredible. /s

Its like... these guys just want an avenue to complain about "ThE wOkE" and care practically nothing about 40k beyond what it is at face value

ANYWAY not to bog down this discussion any further

[upper canopy]

anyone complaining about this that doesn't go "Why isn't 40k more like Age of Sigmar" is just a liar and a grifter

[finite compass]

My answer would be something like "You spent 30 years fluffing conversions and customization as a cornerstone of the hobby, and now you're deliberately making it as difficult and inconvenient as possible because you just want people to buy more kits"

[solemn gull]

Flipping through a rogue trader pdf there’s literally a dude with the Crass logo as a tattoo

[verbal ermine]

like you can focus on the fact that GW is bashing creators for their work and making strict copyright claims, or you can focus on the fact that GW wants you to buy more expensive models and turning the hobby into a money grabbing scheme

But noooooooooooooooooo all they talk about is how "The Woke(tm)" is ruining a game they couldn't care less about

argh

[solemn gull]

I don’t think these types of people would of ever liked 40k because it’s too “woke”

[verbal ermine]

on a lighter note

the taurox looks silly

[finite compass]

Nah, they'd just focus on the Imperium and insist they're the unambiguous good guys.

[verbal ermine]

^^^^

[solemn gull]

I do think modern 40k makes them a bit too heroic

I’d rather the timeline be about how they are losing and it’s purely do to their own failures and stupidity

[finite compass]

I also think the Horus Heresy was the worst thing to happen to 40k from a narrative standpoint, but that's a rant for another time.

[jovial berry]

Yeah

[verbal ermine]

praising the dogmatic, fascist, and cultlike (not just for the Emperor) Imperium is a really, really, really big red flag

that's why I believe the best faction is the Tyranids

minus the genestealers

[jovial berry]

Genestealers are really funny

[verbal ermine]

Since ya can't be morally bad if you wanna eat eat eat eat-

but seriously tho

uh

[finite compass]

I'm just waiting (probably eternally) for my Space Rambos to get an update

Best IG regiment. I will not elaborate.

Okay, maybe a bit. Just saying.

[verbal ermine]

...maybe its the 2am brain talking and making what i say incoherent and probably bad

[finite compass]

Chaos invades Cadia. Cadia explodes.

[jovial berry]

Please go to bed

[finite compass]

Chaos invades Catachan. They're all eaten by the wildlife before the planetary population even realizes they've been attacked.

[verbal ermine]

soon

[cosmic tulip]

It’s why I like aos better

[solemn gull]

INCORRECT, Tannith 1st and only!!!!

[cosmic tulip]

You can’t scream about wokeness if every faction has a ton of diverse characters

[finite compass]

The problem with the Tanith 1st, as much as I love them, is they can really only exist for a tiny slice of the setting's history

[verbal ermine]

i recall reading somewhere that Orks who crash land on Catachan try their darndest to escape the planet the first opportunity they get

[cosmic tulip]

And you can’t simp for the bad guys and think your right because the morals are pretty good and evil

40k argues that people are naturally awful

Aos argues the complete opposite

[finite compass]

Unless they do the nuCadia legacy route

[tired cairn]

Oh, GW did a stealth update for 40k

[solemn gull]

Nah, I’m gonna keep simping for Nagash

[finite compass]

"Oh, they weren't born on Cadia, but we trained them so they count."

[verbal ermine]

also uh

[solemn gull]

They sort of have done that by merging with other regiments

[verbal ermine]

if I say anything bad or rude, please tell me

[solemn gull]

But no one likes those guys which makes me sad for them

[finite compass]

The only bad guy in Warhammer I simp for is Vlad

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah

[finite compass]

I mean, Empire's tearing itself apart. Dude's got a point about line of succession. And despite being a megalomaniacal blood-drinking necromantic abomination, he's really not THAT malevolent.

[finite compass]

If you surrender to Vlad he leaves you to your own affairs. ...Granted if you don't he kills you, your entire village, and then raises your corpses for his army, but that's beside the point

[cosmic tulip]

But overall

[jovial berry]

That’s just the drafting process

[cosmic tulip]

As I grow more nuanced in my views I tend to like AoS more

[solemn gull]

He’s come so far from being a failure in WF

[cosmic tulip]

It’s nice having such a unique setting be a very positive one

[jovial berry]

What does AoS stand for

[cosmic tulip]

And it still runs the gamut of morality like godeaters son and stuff asking really interesting questions about the nature of chaos

Age of Sigmar

[jovial berry]

We see

[finite compass]

Fantasy has always been better grey than 40k has

Even Chaos in Fantasy was a lot more nuanced

I'm still annoyed that the world blew up before we got to any factions east of the Ogres

[solemn gull]

I think a lot of that nuance got injected into warcry

[cosmic tulip]

Miao Yang my queen

Cathay sweep

[finite compass]

I'm still holding out fruitlessly for my Big Hat Boys to return

[tired cairn]

It's a bit silly this only applies for ruins, but I don't think GW cares about other types of terrain:

[paper bluff]

Listen, everything would be peaceful under Negash.

[cosmic tulip]

Wrong, morathi best

[paper bluff]

She's jealous of herself

[bright dove]

I could happily talk about how Age of Sigmar is a better game

[finite compass]

I will readily admit that most of my Age of Sigmar hesitance and salt is due to End Times

And the shitshow that was the AoS launch

[past sphinx]

The orks winning is forever the best bit

Winning so hard gw had to throw the brake handle

[finite compass]

That was Storm of Chaos, I thought

[cosmic tulip]

I wasn’t alive for end times lmao

[finite compass]

Where Orcs just steamrolled so hard that the end of the campaign was literally just Grimgor rolling up with a huge army, punching Archaon in the face, yelling "GRIMGOR IS DA BOSS!" and then fucking off.

[bright dove]

Grimgor forced Archaeon to pull out maximum bullshit out during Endtimes

[finite compass]

Honestly. The part of End Times that pisses me off the most

Because it just invalidates 30+ years of lore and world-building in one paragraph.

"Actually Malekith is the legit Phoenix King. He just should have stayed in the flame longer."

[past sphinx]

The world's greatest rush job

Lads did their best with the mandate I suppose

[bright dove]

That just doesn't matter in AoS

[dense sedge]

I like the druchii and I hate this. Malekith’s thing is not getting that being a ruler is more than being the best at magic and war. Caring about your people is also important

[finite compass]

Yeah. His entire characterization is that he's too arrogant to admit that he wasn't the obvious choice, and he's willing to burn the world to ashes out of spite for being snubbed.

Just turning around and going "Yeah, he was right actually" just ruins it.

[bright dove]

I think you can safely not really care about the decade old lore

[paper bluff]

"And the chaos dwarves and kathay were eaten by rate 🙂"

Was all they got yeah?

Manfred ruining everything tracks though

[bright dove]

I thought they got Grimgor'd

Yep, Grimgor and Skaven got the big hats and Grand Cathay

[dense sedge]

It’s also why having the pheonix king be a non combat master diplomat was an excellent foil for him

[upper canopy]

Skaven just wiped out every nation on the planet off-screen

except Cathay

which Grimgor killed off-screen

[paper bluff]

Even the fantasy Italians?

[upper canopy]

ya

[pulsar cairn]

There were fantasy italians?

[still warren]

Tileans

[paper bluff]

https://youtu.be/VHtH0OmmokM?si=nd2Na7PKda_om7KT

[pulsar cairn]

Why

[upper canopy]

because Warhammer Fantasy was just Fantasy Earth but filed down to like 10 countries

[thin ibex]

fow waht its worth i like the way the taurox looks

[upper canopy]

Germany, Italy, France, Japan, India, China, The Middle East, Sweden, Mongolia, and the Amazons

[solemn gull]

The fantasy spanish had drip

[still warren]

Wait I thought the delves were America

[solemn gull]

Estalia I think they were called?

[upper canopy]

The Delves are definitely IN Canada

[finite compass]

There was also Albion

[paper bluff]

There was an insane vampirate

Fantasy had everything

[finite compass]

Fantasy Iron-age Britain

[paper bluff]

https://youtu.be/BLQJPI79wKM?si=0_5P3w4j_gI2UweU

[finite compass]

slash Scotland slash Ireland

On one island

[finite compass]

Also Kislev

Being Polukrainussia

[pulsar cairn]

No fantasy Brazilians

[finite compass]

I mean if you count the Lizards

[pulsar cairn]

i like lizards

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/carnosaur-warhammer-total-war-lizardmen-total-war-warhammer-giant-monster-gif-17181252

[pulsar cairn]

The big frog is my favorite

[upper canopy]

what it's like to go to Brazil

[pulsar cairn]

Is the frog the one calling the shots?

[upper canopy]

yes

the Slaan are in charge

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-lizardmen-gif-12155346

[pulsar cairn]

Ok they are my favorite faction now

[paper bluff]

Fun fact, there was one slann so powerful with magic, when he died he just said no

[upper canopy]

Lord Kroak

[paper bluff]

Being in space, he's gotten healthier

[pulsar cairn]

i hope that's his actual name

it is

i love them so much

[still warren]

Lots of the lizard men have pun names, like Tiq-Taq-To

[finite compass]

Lizardman names do Be Like That ™️

Warhammer has never been shy about pun names

From The Enemy Wtihin and mentioned in Vermintide

Lord Von Saphonatheim

(Sound it out)

[upper canopy]

They did change some of the Lizardmen names

specifically Teeni Weeni got changed to Tehenuin

[cosmic tulip]

Actual Steelhelm art

I never see aos get the same amount of fanart as 40k

[upper canopy]

Kristina is the best actually everyone should go commission her right now

[pulsar cairn]

I'll commission her for a beeg frog once i get a job

[upper canopy]

Here's her drawing the World's Largest Baby Boy (my Primaris from Cyan's awesome deathwatch game)

[pulsar cairn]

Is he from a custom chapter?

I mean before he joined the death watch

[upper canopy]

Ye

he's from the Tempest Riders

who are my own boys

[bright dove]

40k is a juggernaut. AoS is also not as old.

[solemn gull]

What’s their business

[paper bluff]

I'd want to get more art done of my World eater leader

Maybe the knights too

[pulsar cairn]

🌍

world eaters logo

[upper canopy]

Suffering

They are a group of STAUNCHLY LOYAL and EXEMPLARY Ultramarine Descendents

[paper bluff]

They're good lads

[upper canopy]

(They're actually Blood Angel geneseed)

(They find this out at the worst possible time)

[solemn gull]

Did they get a call to come defend Baal?

[upper canopy]

Nope

They lost an entire company to the Black Rage

during the middle of a crusade

[pulsar cairn]

that will do it

[upper canopy]

The company then fell to Khorne

[pulsar cairn]

[pulsar cairn]

did khorne offer them salvation from the black rage?

[finite compass]

It actually goes pretty hard, NGL

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/101ho_/status/1819023520086863925

[finite compass]

I was considering doing them as a 30k army

Then I decided ain't nobod sane that wants to paint that much white

[paper bluff]

Ahahahahahahaha. No, no I don't think he would

[upper canopy]

yes

in a way

[finite compass]

"It's not gonna stop, but at least you'll stop feeling conflicted and guilty about it."

[upper canopy]

But yes the rest of the Tempest Riders were like WAIT WHAT

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN"

and then they got attacked by 3 different invasions

simultaniously

and during that is when they Torchbringers showed up and did the thing

[solemn gull]

Really trying to dethrone the lamenters here lol

[upper canopy]

I feel like this is Average Marine suffering

where's that comic dub

[paper bluff]

if you want a Nemesis, Asjalók, techmarine of the world eaters would be glad to cram the nails in their skulls

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHqqVT9TNCA

and this is where Tor Sobieski arrives

With an incalcuable ability to punch things to death

A huge part of Tempest Rider lore is just me coming up with 40k setting elements I hardly need to explain

The Riders were most recently part of the disastrous Horatio Crusade launched into several outlying Tau colonies which resulted in the complete corruption or destruction of an entire company. Several other offensives were deployed with more coordinated company deployments but many are now considered lost with the opening of the Great Rift. During the actual Indomintus Crusade they were fighting against a myriad of material and immaterial threats, essentially forming a bulwark against several invasions of their local sector. This includes the Gorlock Incursion, the forces of the Great Gouger of Korat, and the Translucent Legions of the Dragon Compact.

And the chapter's arch-nemesis: Korzakar, the Behemoth of Sanctimony

A Warlord Titan Princept-turned-Daemon Prince

[paper bluff]

Damn, already have a Nemesis...

[upper canopy]

Well the Chapter's nemesis, not his

Tor got put into the Deathwatch and then sent back in time after dueling a Bloodthirster while preventing a psychic superbeing from assassinating the Emperor.

At which point he is getting unfrozen from stasis the day after he leaves for the Deathwatch.

[paper bluff]

Asjalók likes making daemon engines, perhaps the bloodthirster gets put into his Lord of skulls

[upper canopy]

@floral herald @final tide

talking about the Game

[floral herald]

Ooh, I’m still at work unfortunately

[final tide]

hi wha

hello

i played The World's Deadliest Grandpa

A Dark Angels Assault Marine who served in the Ravenwing. On Armageddon

His basic tactic for anything was to meteor-smash into large groups with a claymore and then parry the survivors of his intial landing to death

he would occasionally have a small freak out and think he was holding Hive Helsreach whenever he got Too Into Fighting

he was also a guy who the DAs memory-wiped when they met his paradox-time-clone Fallen Self

[upper canopy]

The perfectly symmetrical violence

with the Grandparadox

[dense sedge]

End times was very much a series where the victor would almost always be the one who kicked more puppies

[upper canopy]

yeah it sucked

[pine matrix]

Are you still playing Deathwatch or was this a past game? I'm jelly either way!

[upper canopy]

past game

Cyan ran us to the point where we were all literally as max XP as you could get in Wrath and Glory

[pine matrix]

Sounds like a blast!

[floral herald]

I don’t recommend Deathwatch as a system, which is why it was in W&G but playing Deathwatch Marines

[pine matrix]

I getcha

I had my fair share of wild times trying to wrangle Black Crusade

[upper canopy]

I'm trying to find the screenshots of us in chat during the finale

[floral herald]

Yeah if you know the system already it’s ok but it’s just awful to learn

[pulsar cairn]

do you recommend Wrath and Glory?

[upper canopy]

yes

having played the FFG games for years I think W&G does what all of them except Dark Heresy does but better.

[pulsar cairn]

[upper canopy]

Briar took out a tank in one hit, I was man-fighting a Bloodthirster, we were mowing down batallions

it was fantastic

[floral herald]

Yeah same

[upper canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470749954407792641/1128143266286673921/image.png?ex=66ace60a&is=66ab948a&hm=bafa4e0d3c11ee8d647c95c27ea3233dc6315f579d186b94ae37398c62ec3b37&

Wait

@pine matrix you know about this game

https://i.imgur.com/3SsPsec.png

[pine matrix]

ohhhhh that one!!!

Fuck Yes

[upper canopy]

Tor and his dumb gorilla punches

[final tide]

oh yes that's right, when the Paradox Clone showed up to duel him they both rolled the exact same number of attacks with the exact same numbers on their rolls

and then grandpa shot his clone's legs off with a meltapistol

[solemn gull]

WanG is the hero shooter of the 40k rpgs

[final tide]

It was and it ruled

That is not a problem

It felt like playing one of the more action-packed novels

Can't recommend W&G enough

[upper canopy]

I also used it for my Only War game

and the party immediately started having 200% more fun

[solemn gull]

Oh that’s interesting, what parts of a OW campaign did WanG do better?

[upper canopy]

Only War's regiment creation and it's logistics system were superb however

WanG is just the better game to play

the first combat was just all everyone missing non-stop for like an hour and a half

then I switch to WanG and suddenly our Chimera pilot runs up with a shotgun and mows down half a platoon in one turn

[solemn gull]

So it was a tone thing?

[upper canopy]

No it was a "being able to successfully do Any Action" thing

[cosmic tulip]

Are there any age of Sigmar models with spears that aren’t insultingly long like the Lunineth ones

[tepid stratus]

I think the best comparison I've ever heard is "OW is for the GM with a spreadsheet kink, W&G is for players who actually want to play a game"

[bright dove]

Skeleboys iirc

[cosmic tulip]

Oh alrighty!

Was considering getting some skeletons for my friends soulblight army and my dnd games

Are they cheap ish

[tepid stratus]

Death rattle skeletons, saurus warriors, stormcast vindictors, darkoath marauders

[pulsar cairn]

btw, random question

which one of the chaos gods have the biggest demon when it comes to raw size?

[tepid stratus]

Nurgle

The GUO is a UNIT

Being big is it's whole thing

[bright dove]

The Size of this Lad

[pulsar cairn]

beeg

[bright dove]

God, they look so much better than when I used to play the game

Look at this old pos

[solemn gull]

Adorable

[pulsar cairn]

[bright dove]

GUO's used to be grody

And also the old Keeper of Secrets.

God, this might explain why I don't vibe with Slaanesh. When people try to write about the seductiveness of a Keeper, all I keep thinking about is this goober and Lucius.

[solemn gull]

I dunno I like this one too, maybe it’s because it’s so ugly but it’s charming

[uneven ember]

I liked the Forge world KoS from back when

[dense sedge]

I like that keeper

Other than the finger guns

I think I’m getting screwy from heat at work and not thinking straight

[cosmic tulip]

I wish there were some cities units with halberds now

[thin ibex]

Weirdly, at least in descriptions, i feel like seductiveness when referring to slaanesh is too often reserved for sex by casual readers, but excessiveness doesn't stop at sex

the seductiveness can be getting an abundance of the thing you want most

thats what makes it seductive

not getting daemon sex with crab armed warp entities. Unless I guess that's what you want

Though on the flip side, Slaanesh is also the addict's god, to take the thing you want and ruin it and then ruin you through the object of your desire

[pastel rampart]

We don't slander old KoS in this house, sorry.

[finite compass]

I actually really like the AoS Slaanesh designs

[dense sedge]

I like body horror slaanesh

[pastel rampart]

AoS Slaanesh designs fucking slap yeah, they finally got a consistent look to them.

Would be nice if daemonettes got a redesign that put them more in line with this design ethos tho.

[cosmic tulip]

It feels like AoS gets more of the

[tepid stratus]

I'd kill for the daemonette related kits to get a redesign

[cosmic tulip]

Creative and unrestrained designers

[upper canopy]

100%

[tepid stratus]

I fucking hate daemonettes, seekers and that god awful con of a chariot kit

[upper canopy]

That's not a "feels like" that's just sorta objectively true

[floral herald]

AoS designers aren’t beholden to 30 years of aesthetic tradition and they go fucking sicko mode with the freedom

[tepid stratus]

I say this as the local slaanesh guy

[floral herald]

I kinda love the razorwire chariot

[jaunty dawn]

aos was built from the ground up to support modern miniature design imo

[floral herald]

It looks profoundly unnatural

[upper canopy]

This is just some GUY

[finite compass]

You mean this thing?

[floral herald]

Yeah

[tepid stratus]

Have you ever built three? It's a nightmare and of course if you want the exalted build you need to buy and mcguiver together two of the fuckers

[floral herald]

It’s got a nightmarish unreal quality I dig

[finite compass]

I know I've done this rant before

But I really really hate the new design for a lot of the 40k stuff.

[tepid stratus]

I hate building, I hate painting it and it sucks to play with because it hangs over its base on all sides

[dense sedge]

I hope that all four minor demons get new kits since both games are a in editions

[finite compass]

In that it's all monopose and there's no room for kitbashing or customization

[pastel rampart]

It could be more though. Like right now it's just two seekers dragging a woodchipper around.

[finite compass]

Which is also reflected in teh rules because it's gone from like "Here's a bunch of options and their points cost" a couple editions ago to "This contains exactly ten models, one has a flamer, one has a heavy weapon. The leader gets a close combat weapon. If you wanted more, fuck you."

[dense sedge]

Gluttonus is peak slaanesh

[floral herald]

Oh yeah I think it can be improved on but I like it

[tepid stratus]

Glutos my beloved

[floral herald]

Also no I don’t even have 1 lol I just like the look

[tepid stratus]

Now that's a fucking chariot

[finite compass]

I miss shit like Catachan Devils or IG veterans, or like...The entire LatD list. Where it was "We're never going to make models for these guys because the entire point is kitbashing them"

[pastel rampart]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/851994599/excess-daemon-stl-print-files This is currently one of my favorite KoS models.

https://i.etsystatic.com/24174940/r/il/f24ca8/2601387921/il_794xN.2601387921_2ri7.jpg

[floral herald]

I don’t think there’s really been a LatD list since like 2e or some of 3e though

[jaunty dawn]

8e

had it

[tepid stratus]

Ye it was still legal in 8th

[jaunty dawn]

cause 8e had everything

very thorough

[finite compass]

LatD originally was 3e Eye of Terror codex in...I wanna say 2003?

[jaunty dawn]

which was also legal for 9e

[finite compass]

And then there was a free PDF 'renegades and heretics' list that lasted until 9e yeah

[floral herald]

Yeah I think EoT is really the only time they existed between those

[tepid stratus]

It was shit and was only used for the chaos equivalent of the loyal 32 but still

[floral herald]

Unless you count the forge world vraks rules

[jaunty dawn]

10e still has some of the unique units

[floral herald]

Which I know there’s been discourse about in the past haha

[uneven ember]

The one that got me was all the IF > THEN decision trees for, like, Marine Captain loadouts

[past sphinx]

hour late but slannesh hitting just right when you sit down at your paint bench and the work just flows from you, no concious thought just your brain and hands in harmony

i can imagine how enticing that would be if i was a proffessional artist

to just be able to tap into that on cue when ever

theres a hell of a lot of absolutely mundane chaos worship in the imperium

[solemn gull]

I should really try to find a w&g game and maybe get over myself. It deserves a better shot than a awkwardly paced oneshot I joined.

[cosmic tulip]

Also

Cities of Sigmar troops have warpicks

This gives me so much joy

[past sphinx]

but where is the gad dang longswords and pikes!

luv me some longswords and pikes

[dense sedge]

cities have some fun stuff, the command corps is one of my favorite kits in all of GW

I paint enough scungly hordes with my GSC though

[past sphinx]

the Handgunners being actual Hangonnars is rad as fuck

though we seem to have lost the technology

now way more traditionally like knights and shit instead of GLORIOUS HATS

AND STRIPY PANTS!

[dense sedge]

I also like how cities looks like a bunch of random conscripts, with many of the characters being unattractive or either a little on older or younger side for conflict. The vibes of the desperate underdogs are great

[past sphinx]

a very good mix of quality freaks and normal ass working warriors

[dense sedge]

I honestly wish guard had a split between conscripts, poorly trained and equipped masses sent to die, and trained soldiers from birth who know what they are doing

[past sphinx]

scions and imperial guard

[dense sedge]

it's more that mechnically a trained from birth Cadian or Catachan is the same statline as a random untrained conscript or penal legionare

[finite compass]

Conscript Platoons used to be A Thing ™️

Another one of those good ideas that got tossed because they couldn't or wouldn't make distinct models for them.

Back when Guard had the Doctrines system

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890

But it's basically WS, BS, and I at 2, low leadership, no heavy weapons, either no or limited special weapons, I forget which, and could come in stupidly high numbers

[solemn gull]

And way back in 3rd you could use necromunda gangers as penal/hive conscripts (I will always find a way to bring necromunda up)

[past sphinx]

i weep for my 500 conscripts, a baneblade and a lord commisar list

[finite compass]

I weep for a usable Catachan codex

Or even the doctrines so you could give them WS4 and the move-through-cover stuff.

The Catachan statline in the current codex is just bad.

[bold halo]

flashbacks to the CSM 3e codex giving alpha legion a cultist unit option and teenage me having zero idea how the fuck to get models for that

[uneven ember]

Yeah, part of the results of actually getting into the legal nitty-gritty of "what third parties can/can't do"

[dense sedge]

the price of the honoured of the chapter is so obscene

[past sphinx]

i have a few boxes of dragon magazine and there are very very few companys that got big glossy fullpage color ads

namely

OSR

GW

[dense sedge]

9 models for 200$

[past sphinx]

and Ral partha

Ral partha made proxys for GW games and was at one point the second greatest model company in the world!

by hacking off a chuck of GW because shipping from the UK to here was fucked

[uneven ember]

While GW is frantically getting rid of their old packaging and going "Broo? What's a Broo? these are... Beastmen."

[pastel rampart]

Ral Partha, how we miss ye.

[past sphinx]

you can still buy miniatures from them

and now that old world is around

hmm

lore accurate warhammer fantasy army

[pastel rampart]

They're a shadow of their former self, but a lot of their old models do go for cheap if you're patient enough.

[past sphinx]

70% ral partha

[solemn gull]

Wow nice energy effects

[past sphinx]

i wasnt feeling old armless abby till now

but i think i got it on lock now

just need to rustle up his left trophy rack

i got 4 era appropriate terminators for his bodygaurd to!

[pastel rampart]

Love the old chaos termies.

[past sphinx]

their so small!

[solemn gull]

Scale creep has only made them more adorable

[past sphinx]

its not even modelling for advantage

this is a chaos terminator

sweeping the tournys with my short kings

[unreal cosmos]

those weapons look gorgeous!

[thin ibex]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZPRo4W1Yx/

[thin ibex]

Just saw a clip from space marine with the dreadnought. They look really sick in motion

Also, I know plasma is the default choice for a lot of people on the redemptor, but I love me a minigun dread

[pulsar cairn]

it go brrrrr

[past sphinx]

You cannot overcharge the minigun

If I'm not riding the redline I'm not truely living

[thin ibex]

i respect that, i do

but brrr

( i like the assault cannon on the box naught too)

[pulsar cairn]

ya think imperium makes space marine and guard toys for the kids?

[thin ibex]

hmmm, not officially, but i think they show up anyway

guard toys maybe

space marines maybe less so? They're probably still around tho

[pulsar cairn]

more common during great crusade i imagine

[past sphinx]

Titanicus talks about a toy shop that sells wind up titans

[paper bluff]

Toys in the grimdark? Hard to say

[past sphinx]

Rogue traders selling bootleg figures of space marines

[pulsar cairn]

i mean...i feel like it would be thing but only for rich kids

[past sphinx]

Their position as both symbol of the emperor and symbol of the imperium is hard to wager but you can buy Jesus action figures sooooooo

[bright dove]

There are indeed toys in the Grimdarkness fo the 41st millenium.

And 42nd.

[solemn gull]

There are toys and tv shows etc

[bright dove]

Action figure of the Cadians.

[pulsar cairn]

toy leman russ

[solemn gull]

One of the Cain books has a flashback to the Schola and a kid has a space marine poster in his room

[floral herald]

There’s so many statues there’s gotta be dolls and such

[paper bluff]

Would... would a servo skull be a toy?

[upper canopy]

even in the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium there is still going to be a parent who buys or makes a little dude for their kid

[jaunty dawn]

if there weren't toys you couldn't find like

burned toys on the floor after the space marines roll through

or discarded toys on the floor after the dark eldar roll through

or corrupted toys after chaos rolls through

[bright dove]

Humans just make toys

Trazyn probably has toy collections

[pulsar cairn]

Trazyn has a box of legos hidden in his gallery

[floral herald]

In the grim darkness of the far future it’s just this forever

[tired cairn]

Ork, briefly inconsolable before he steals another truck

[pulsar cairn]

DUCKS

[thin ibex]

I realize my love of brr extends to the riptide lol

And that difference is even more stark

Apparently the ion gun and heavy burst are not at all balanced well against each other

And the heavy burst canon is much worse

But I still like it better

[jaunty dawn]

both can be overcharged

on the riptide

[thin ibex]

Well sorta, can only do it the one time on the burst

Also despite being worse, I don't think I'd say the burst is bad

[mental birch]

40k should be more intentionally goody

Goofy

[solemn gull]

The people yearn for rogue trader

[bright dove]

Hey, the Infinite and the Divine is a silly as hell book.

[finite compass]

The Infinite and the Divine is simultaneously a fun scifi romp, a story about the consequences of eternity and finding meaning in it, and a story about the galaxy's two pettiest old men constantly finding new ways to fuck with one another.

It's hilarious

[bright dove]

The courtroom scene is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while.

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/bobot073/status/1819391835368051154

Boris Tsui (@bobot073) on X

Had to get this out of my head.
What if space marine but with frogmouth inspired armour with a poleaxe.
Doesn't really make much sense, but I like how it turned out!

#spacemarine

Twitter · Aug 2, 2024, 3:16 PM

[uneven ember]

"doesn't make sense" is not an issue with 40K

[pastel rampart]

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[paper bluff]

literally in the book to paraphrase goes "this is impressive with the necron bodies but remember these are 2 old men fighting"

[upper bluff]

I'm only halfway through the book but I've been reading Trazyn and Orikan's rivalry as childish

[upper bluff]

||like this part read to me as like 2 kids on the playground just smacking each other as hard as they can but not leaving any marks. Then they run to the Triarchs to act as adults in the situation while pointing and tattling on each other||

[past sphinx]

3 turns of being squeezed between a Great unclean one and Morty and he did not faulter

[brittle salmon]

Infinite and the Divine is the best 40k novel ever written basically

I stand by that

It gets it

[thin ibex]

So, in the narrative current, is it fair to say the grey knights are the only imperial faction to have no one fall to chaos?

I'd have thought custodes too, but (novel spoilers) ||Valdor being the King in Yellow|| kind of makes that muddy

[desert jay]

Not that I know that any qualify, but are you willing to include specific first founding chapters as factions for this?

[thin ibex]

I suppose so yeah

I just know a major claim to fame for the gk is that not one member has ever fallen to chaos corruption

Which is why they can do things like Terminator assault directly into a full chaos Incursion and walk out

[cinder wraith]

what about the silver knight?

a grey knight who was sent to try and kill slaanesh but fell for their corruption

[desert jay]

Idle thought: Eversor assassins should be in latex clothes so that if they survive they can just be hosed down

[junior robin]

based on their armour save, they probably already are.

[jaunty dawn]

they wear synskin, which is a spray on suit

[past sphinx]

Eversors are only technically reusable to begin with

I mean are you going to waste a bionuke?

[upper canopy]

A Dark Heresy game me and a friend have pitched for ages is being the team sent to recover an Eversor

[cinder wraith]

loyalist angron wip

[rocky harness]

So a one shot?

[finite compass]

I've had an idea like that. But it was more, the PC's inquisitor and another inquisitor are feuding. The PC's one being the Ravenor investigative type and the other being the Monodominant 'burn everything' type.

And halfway through an undercover bit, they get a message basically saying "Yeah, I tried to stop this, but they've authorized an assassin. Just...Try to stay out of its way until I can get the shutdown codes."

Cue drop pod landing somewhere nearby, screaming, and [Objective: SURVIVE]

[pine matrix]

Hell Yes!!!

[jaunty dawn]

just found out this guy has a 5+ save

heartbroken

[solemn gull]

Writing a dark heresy campaign around “what if the HEAT heist was in 40k” and I’m trying to decide what McGuffin should be in the vault

[spice flicker]

What ordo is the inquisitor?

[solemn gull]

Hereticus

But I could lean the way of xenos

[solemn gull]

For necromunda that’s pretty good

[jaunty dawn]

it's

kinda the bare minimum

and I'm used to van saar haha

and this guy is a great big bioshock big daddy

he is at least s/t 5

like yeah 5+ was good until they gave everyone cheap mesh armour

I think it's really funny how they didn't give you any women in the original orlock box so they were like uhhh here's a resin kit with three women

[solemn gull]

The female orlock kits fuck though

[jaunty dawn]

they do

a lot of the female resin sculpts are absolutely peak

[solemn gull]

I’ve begged everyone in my local scene for their extras

[jaunty dawn]

like the rogue doc. I love her sm

[solemn gull]

Necromunda has the best designs outside of AoS imo

[cosmic tulip]

Oh orlock let me see-

Orlock lore is BASED

[cinder wraith]

i love orlocks

[finite compass]

It's a Rogue Trader's Warrant of Trade from the dawn of the Imperium

[solemn gull]

They do use the gangs as a way to weed out people that don’t like working in the shitty horrible pit mine though

Which I think is a cool premise

[solemn gull]

Ooh a blank one maybe?

[cosmic tulip]

You know what could be really cool ngl

A time warp shenanigan using like

The Ordo Chronos or something as a side saga

[finite compass]

Plot Twist: When it's recovered, it's signed at the bottom with an Eye seal, and "Horus Lupercal, Primarch XVI Legion, Warmaster of the Imperium"

[cosmic tulip]

For the assasination of the Emperor

[solemn gull]

That’s a bit extravagant for what I had in minf

I do like the idea of the warrant that was lost in bureaucracy for a long ass time though

I don’t know if they had rogue traders in 30k though

[finite compass]

I'm recycling that from a friends' RT game

But yeah, blank Warrant of Trade would be a good one

Because a major plot point was the RT's dynasty had lost their original physical Warrant of Trade thousands of years ago and was trying to recover it.

[solemn gull]

I think a blank warrant of trade would be good from a “imperial politics” standpoint

[finite compass]

And then after much adventuring they find it in a stasis vault and it's...That.

[solemn gull]

What’s the point of being an inquisitor if you aren’t planting your own corruption while rooting out corruption

[finite compass]

It's different. They're doing corruption for the good of the Imperium

[jaunty dawn]

they did

true rogue traders mostly date back to the great crusade or early post heresy

more recent appointments are much more limited

[solemn gull]

Reminds me of the quote from the Fallout show “Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how”

There are never two inquisitors with matching ideologies

[uneven ember]

"Look it was valid when issued I feel like it still counts."

[verbal tangle]

psssst, hey

do you like civilian vehicles

https://konigstein.itch.io/potentiam-gigantio-volume-1

Volume 6 of my 40k RPG vehicle series Potentiam Gigantio is live
53 new vehicles, from skateboards to armoured limousines to bulldozers, plus dozens of new vehicle upgrade, downgrade and customization options, plus engine tuning, all accompanied by sculpts and art by some of the finest third-party modelers in the business.
And it's free!

[solemn gull]

Oof calling it Cubicle 7’s hurts my soul

[cosmic tulip]

????

[jaunty dawn]

ffg made the game, c7 just has the license to continue selling pdfs

but ffg gave up the 40k rpg license and also their parent company stopped them making rpgs (or miniature games)

[solemn gull]

Kind of like if you called indiana jones a disney film

[paper bluff]

a custodian's misercordia could be in the vault. then the eye of the Emperor on that planet comes knocking