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#Warhammer and Such
past sphinx
pine matrix
I'm sure that's like a psychic halo but I do think it'd be neat if more Imperium characters had like, a small appearance of a blessing. Not "I Am An Angel" levels as with Celestine, but some small effect
Though I guess it's fair since if Emps takes any time to Get In Touch Directly it's all or nothing
paper bluff
The sword Guillermo uses just bursts into fire from the emperor doesn't it?
soft willow
Or archeotech, who can say?
pastel rampart
I'd much rather take the model on the right and do a bit of light conversion than try and fix Coteaz.
rocky shale
Seems like a fairly easy conversion.
pastel rampart
Yeah. Head switch is obvious. Slap a bolt pistol on the hip area, switch the head of the axe to a hammer (or keep it, who cares) and maybe a big ol' =I= symbol somewhere.
Bam, bob's yer uncle.
jaunty dawn
Axe guy is an awesome model
All of skaventide was fuckin beautiful except like that one stormcast squad having the same pose twice for some reason
bright dove
I'm considering getting the Skaventide box so I can start an army.
floral herald
same I'm strongly considering splitting it with my gf
Since she's really interested in Stormcast
solemn gull
That’s awful
jaunty dawn
oh yeah fun fact for spearhead
the sons of behemat spearhead is three mancrushers
which is cool n all we know this
but also, both the non general mancrushers are reinforcement units
dense sedge
I made bad decisions when I'm depressed so I got a hedonittes starter box for an upcoming starter box tournament. The slaangors are a pain to assemble
jaunty dawn
so you actually get five over the course of the game
jaunty dawn
they're kinda the armiger equivalent for giants
but aos is like
the balance is such that big models vs large squads are different niches but not stuff you need specific weapons to counter
cause of damage rollover and lack of toughness etc
by contrast most of the spearheads with like two fairly elite units don't get reinforcements at all and might even only get portions of their army for turn 3 and 4
thin ibex
yeah i was liking how out there they were making the spearheads
i hope that informs their combat patrols more
in the future
in terms of like... having radically different patrols that are still balanced
im still interested in getting the ogor spearhead but as i understand they're one of the less out there ones
they just have a bunch of mechanics to support the things they want to do already
dense sedge
there's a tail on one of my slaangors that just refuses to go on
bright dove
I made bad decisions when I'm depressed so I got a hedonittes starter box for an...
At least Slaangors have Fight Again.
tepid stratus
At least Slaangors have Fight Again.
Hate to break your heart but they don't in 4th edition and spearhead
bright dove
Alas
paper bluff
floral herald
Upgraded to Primaris-grade rejuvenat
upper canopy
Holy shit
pastel rampart
It takes up what seems to be an entire 6x4 table
uneven ember
damn that's cool
tired cairn
Attempts at attacking the Golden Throne fail due to enemies inability to climb steep inclines
upper canopy
paper bluff
And the memes keep coming in
unreal cosmos
Looking at an unpainted Space Marine and thinking "it would look great if I picked out all these tiny armor details" and having to remind myself I want to paint like three dozen of these guys
paper bluff
paper bluff
Looking at an unpainted Space Marine and thinking "it would look great if I pick...
I have world eaters and thought "I better get all the highlights for the bronze done". Fools that we are for creating more work
mental birch
Question about BFG
Shooting with batteries
You add up all the firepower from each ship before
Checking the gunnery table right?
Like if a ship has 2 batteries shoting st one ship you don't consult the table twice right?
You add up the firepower and then consult?
unreal cosmos
Maybe an odd question but, what gun casing colors would look good paired with space marines in warm brown armor?
Yellow is tempting me but I worry that it could be a pain to do a lot of them, since it's kind of a secondary detail
rocky harness
Some sort of cyan maybe?
unreal cosmos
What about a Space Wolves blue?
soft willow
Yellow is tempting me but I worry that it could be a pain to do a lot of them, s...
If you primed white, use Iyanden Yellow contrast with it and it'll go pretty easy, and look good with the brown.
unreal cosmos
I have TTC so I was thinking of using their yellow, not quite as simple as that though... But I think you may be right that it's worth sticking with, they're called the Solar Bears so a little sun imagery wouldn't hurt
soft willow
Also might be a good question for the painting thread.
unreal cosmos
Good point
uneven ember
You add up the firepower and then consult?
Correct. You add up the firepower for a ship or squadron and then consult the table
mental birch
Sure!
pulsar cairn
Is any kind of A.I heresy? 
or just True A.I?
lucid scarab
Is any kind of A.I heresy? <:vicksyThink:996566524225663086> or just True A.I?
Technically I think all of it. But the Mechanicum works in a grey area with it all so it’s very murky what actually gets enforced I think.
desert jay
Had a whim so I went and made a very silly Death Guard list
Biologus Putrifier (60pts): Hyper blight grenades, Injector pistol, Plague knives
Death Guard Daemon Prince (160pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince (160pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince (160pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince with wings (195pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince with wings (195pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Death Guard Daemon Prince with wings (195pts): Hellforged weapons, Plague spewer
Mortarion (325pts): Rotwind, Silence, The Lantern, Warlord5x Plague Marines (90pts)
Daemon Prince of Chaos (190pts): Hellforged weapons, Infernal cannon, Nurgle
Daemon Prince of Chaos (190pts): Hellforged weapons, Infernal cannon, Nurgle
3x Nurglings (40pts)
3x Nurglings (40pts)
paper bluff
Is any kind of A.I heresy? <:vicksyThink:996566524225663086> or just True A.I?
Galatea and Cawl inferior kinda are on the razor edge of it because they are artifical intelligence HOWEVER they are made with biological parts at the core
Think fallout robobrain
rocky shale
Had a whim so I went and made a very silly Death Guard list
> Biologus Putrifie...
I see your daemon prince bachelor party and raise you a death guard used car lot.
Tallyman (45pts): Close combat weapon, Infected plasma pistol, Warlord
10x Plague Marines (180pts)
Death Guard Predator Annihilator (130pts): Armoured tracks, Havoc launcher, Predator twin lascannon, Plague combi-bolter, 2 lascannons, 2x Lascannon
Death Guard Predator Annihilator (130pts): Armoured tracks, Havoc launcher, Predator twin lascannon, Plague combi-bolter, 2 lascannons, 2x Lascannon
Death Guard Predator Annihilator (130pts): Armoured tracks, Havoc launcher, Predator twin lascannon, Plague combi-bolter, 2 lascannons, 2x Lascannon
3x Myphitic Blight-haulers (270pts)
3x Myphitic Blight-haulers (270pts)
3x Myphitic Blight-haulers (270pts)
Plagueburst Crawler (180pts): Armoured tracks, Plagueburst mortar, Rothail stubber, 2 plaguespitters, 2x Plaguespitter
Plagueburst Crawler (180pts): Armoured tracks, Plagueburst mortar, Rothail stubber, 2 plaguespitters, 2x Plaguespitter
Plagueburst Crawler (180pts): Armoured tracks, Plagueburst mortar, Rothail stubber, 2 plaguespitters, 2x Plaguespitter
(The plague marines are the car salesmen and are therefore mandatory)
desert jay
I think you've shared this, actually
unreal cosmos
Lookin good!
thin ibex
I heard Seeker volleys work well
pulsar cairn
Are tempestus scions assigned to guard regiments? Or do you only get them if the inquisition is around?
brittle salmon
They operate independently of the typical chain of command, since they're commando units
floral herald
There’s a bunch of guard units which are kind of an equivalent (Kasrkin, Grenadiers, etc) but Tempestus Scions are an independent branch under the Munitorium
I think they’re still imperial guard eventually but they’re their own regiments (though they’re not usually deployed at full strength)
mental birch
They're their own Regiment that trains alongside the SOB
pulsar cairn
are they deployed alongside the regiments like the commissars?
brittle salmon
They're their own Regiment that trains alongside the SOB
Well, kinda? Scions are recruited out of the Schola Progenium, like many Sisters, but after that they're shipped out to individual Scion regiments and have no particular affiliation with the SoB
alpine wing
verbal ermine
for 'undred six-teh tree Squigerettes
brittle salmon
<:vicksyAww:1191819830714703922> are they deployed alongside the regiments like...
They don't have nearly the same level of interconnective tissue - generally, Guard are the vanguard anvil to the Scion's commando hammer, making surgical strikes while protracted battles happen
paper bluff
If you need a guy beaten to death with hammers, well you call the hammers of dorn, but if you want un-augmented humans to do it yoy get the scions
jaunty dawn
Some regiments are permanently attached, like elysian regiments always have an attached tempestus regiment
But thats partially a thing of specialist regiments being specialist
paper bluff
Inquisitors should have bits and bobs on them
jaunty dawn
just giving him all the things he had and the proportions alone make it awesome
spice flicker
Temptation to go into a friendly 3k points game in tts with a pure infantry+transports list consisting of 18 Transports and 201 guardsmen+officers is increasing
pastel rampart
just giving him all the things he had and the proportions alone make it awesome
Exactly. As it is there's too much empty space.
thin ibex
ive decided that when it comes to dire avengers, i will always field the exarch with either a power glaive or diresword ( i like hte diresword for flavor reasons, but sometimes it just seems worse)
being able to do some melee clapback when charged seems nice
are D scythes or D cannons considered the better take for wraithguard
rocky shale
D cannons almost always
rocky shale
D-scythes benefit a lot less from re-rolls to hit and wound from the detacent rule because there's more shots. They're also shorter range on an already slow unit.
You can get over watched trying to get in range with scythes but not wraith cannons
thin ibex
d scythes seem like thy'd be fun in a counter melee horde capacity
rocky shale
They're okay at that, but the 10 strength AP-4 is overkill against basically every horde unit, and the short range means you get like 1 round of shooting before you get charged and suddenly can't shoot anymore
Something like a harlequin blob with yvraine, or just some scorpions or jetbikes is a much better chaff grinder
thin ibex
Well, wounding ork boys on a 2 rather than a 3 seems pretty good
Of course manufacturing that scenario takes a lot of work
spice flicker
I've figured out a possibly halfway decent 3k list with 20 guard transports (so long as legends is allowed)
Truly that would be enough threat/target saturation no?
thin ibex
absolutely, its a lot of wounds and chunks, you biggest challenge is movement and positioning because you'll get in your own way
but you're playin the attrition/occupation game, and are less concerned with top end lethality
paper bluff
Massed firepower is the name of the game
quaint compass
The mass always wins
spice flicker
I feel like with guard if you're going transport spam you're objective isn't having overwhelming firepower to table your foe but having enough bodies and movement to limit your foe's movement and delay them from scoring.
thin ibex
my go to mentally is to use hte transports to body block/pen in the enemy army
try to wall them into their dz or as close to it as possible
then get your bodies on top of the objectives
biggest fear is en mass melee armies, because you'll be handing them effective charge targets part and parcel
and they only need one kill to get into the soft nougat center of your army
spice flicker
Agreed
thin ibex
it can be a bit silly if your mass infantry has a lascannon and melta per squad tho
every existing unit has some threat
and every transport has a hunter killer probably
spice flicker
I prefer to go with 2 squads of catachan with double flamers and 4 squads of infantry with a lascannon and either flamer or melta when I run 6 chimeras. Debating on kreig vs cadian vs catachan for tauroxes.
thin ibex
imo cadians normally, but with that many bodies, krieg will be more stubborn
spice flicker
Let's see:
2x(55+70)=250 (catachimera)
4x(60+70)=520 (lascannon Chimera)
6x(65+65)=780 (kreig tauroxes)
1550 pts for 12 transports with 120 infantry before officers and other units.
210 pts for each scion+command+taurox prime combo too
1970 for 14 transports with 2 officers and 130 infantry. You'll be starved for orders though
3x(50+70+90)=530
3x(100+90)=570
1100 for 6 taurox primes filled with Scions and maxed out command squads
Hmmm.....
tepid stratus
Melta gun scions hopping out of a taurox my beloved
Attach a psyker and issue take aim
Throw on first rank, second rank on top for flavor
Real good if you've got plasmas in the unit
spice flicker
So 1100 for the scion tauroxes and 770 for the 6 chimeras leaves is at 1870 pts. Take a 20 man squad of krieg to hold home objective, a single regular taurox+kreig, or spend 130 points in officers for more orders?
desert jay
"Is the fan conception of Gue'vesa anthrochauvinistic?", thread locked after 231 pages of heated debate
jaunty dawn
I meaaan
floral herald
There’s a store near me which has the big VC box discounted I’m very tempted
The Vengorian Court one
uneven ember
balmy wave
just had a real flash of how cool a story centred around Stormcast really can be
like they're on a campaign and fighting stuff then it's like "oh no, Bill died! let's camp out for tonight and he should be back tomorrow morning" and then the next morning it's like "hey Bill, welcome back! wait why are your eyes so bright?"
meanwhile there could be such cool setpieces and battles in between because the stakes seem so relatively low
but over the course of the story, we see the Stormcast realise the price of being Eternals as they slowly become more robotic, and in an epilogue bit we see a handful of the original roster in one of the Bleak Fortresses as a bell tolls 13 times
soft willow
upper canopy
just had a real flash of how cool a story centred around Stormcast really can be...
This is an All Stormcast Soulbound party
balmy wave
honestly yeah
the one issue with "oops all stormcast" in the actual game is the lack of Soulfire
actually you know what, I might run that as the gimmick
run a campaign called "Oops! All Stormcast!"
upper canopy
Soulfire isn't really needed when you're all that buff
balmy wave
still I have a couple of ideas for how to sort-of make up for a lack of Soulfire
first off, in any Soulbound game I'd give any Stormcast character this rule:
Thunderstrike Armour
When a Stormcast Eternal takes more damage than they have remaining toughness from one single instance, all remaining damage is ignored. In addition, if a Stormcast Eternal dies they deal damage equal to their maximum Wounds to all enemies in their Zone.
second, in an Oops! All Stormcast! game I'd give every Stormcast the "Bolts of Inspiration" Miracle of Sigmar for free, to make up for the lack of Soulfire to draw on
tepid stratus
the one issue with "oops all stormcast" in the actual game is the lack of Soulfi...
The ulfenkarn adventure actually runs a ruleset that's no soulfire and low starting xp but gives players more ways to Regen mettle. It's pretty fun and very lethal
brittle salmon
Stormcast in Soulbound are jacked as hell right?
Since you are basically playing a Ground Marine
But lack of Soulfire balances it out
tepid stratus
Also death isn't permanent for you but it can fuck you up
Death is permanent for everyone else barring ossiarchs if you're using the champions of death supplement or if you have a phoenix pendant
balmy wave
I've designed the basis of a campaign where you play as only Stormcast
accompanying the Dawnbringer crusade that came out of Hammerhal Ghyra
solemn gull
just had a real flash of how cool a story centred around Stormcast really can be...
Even cooler if names of other characters start getting written in as ______
cosmic tulip
Does soulblight have updated stuff for the new Cities of Sigmar
It seems cool but not very popular
cosmic tulip
About to fight the new Necrons kill team
rocky shale
I need to hold my friends at gunpoint (metaphorically) and teach them KT
dense sedge
I need to finish my kill teams
floral herald
About to fight the new Necrons kill team
What’re you playing?
cosmic tulip
Tau
It’s going poorly
I haven’t killed a single model he’s killed two
I haven’t played kill team in a while
unreal cosmos
https://fixupx.com/ChumiiCham/status/1816213355436138509 I kinda love the way this t'au is drawn, I sometimes wish they were just a little more Grey-coded in their design
past sphinx
hows my nightlordin
also i didnt realize but i wish CSM had more normalish helmets
everbody having massive goofy demon horns takes something away from me
pastel rampart
RETVRN to bat wing helmets
past sphinx
gimmie more armor patterns in there
like wheres my MK5?
well i know its over in the khorne boys buy what about everywhere else?
floral herald
KT is a brutal game to come back to
cosmic tulip
He gloated too
I've lost seven times to necrons so far
they're just an army i struggle with
floral herald
Cryptek?
floral herald
I've lost seven times to necrons so far
Might be worth checking the rules on them
There’s a lot of moving parts for Cryptek and when there’s really imbalanced streaks I’d look at getting something wrong
Otherwise idk that much about them
No one plays them near me haha
past sphinx
never had much of a good time fighting necrons
or DG
albiet necrons for mostly fighting the gat dang settlers of Catan instead of the army
floral herald
Settlers of catan?
runic swallow
“You fool, I built the longest road before your ancestors were nothing more than amebas!”
pale narwhal
A pun on c’tan perhaps?
cosmic tulip
Might be worth checking the rules on them
This is my second time playing KT, mostly its regular warhammer
I've never won a single game of any GW game i've ever played, mostly gotten close when being taught by others
floral herald
That’s fair yeah
For this matchup you’ll probably want to- actually wait which Tau team are you playing?
cosmic tulip
Pathfinders
floral herald
So the big thing for this matchup is that you’re a 13 model team vs a 6 real model team
Which means that 1:
- you’re not gonna win a slugging match unless you’re careful. Elite 6 model teams are born to win slugging matches.
- you can crush on objective team and activations.
cosmic tulip
we also placed a TON of terrain
and as it turns out
blocked a ton of sightlines and made the map extremely cramped
floral herald
So I think what’s you’re gonna wanna do is you’re gonna wanna seize ground and stick to conceal orders
Play like a coward to get land
Turning point 2 you try to focus fire and kill 2-4 operatives
floral herald
blocked a ton of sightlines and made the map extremely cramped
This is gonna be rough asf on you since you’re a shooting team
Try to stick to the matched play setups
Kill team is really terrain dependent
cosmic tulip
oh
I see
Yeah I tried that
but living metal and poor rolls meant focusing fire was annoying
theyjsut healed mostly
floral herald
Also probably bad fire lanes with a lot of terrain
soft willow
Were you playing close quarters?
floral herald
Sounds like open board but with a lot of terrain
Admittedly my team would have loved it haha
soft willow
Would suck with Salvagers and Starstriders.
Haven't had a chance to try the Hernkyn Yaegers yet but I imagine they'd enjoy it.
cosmic tulip
also uh
it might be noted that he didn't let me shoot much of anything
because things were technically behind cover
floral herald
You can shoot them in cover (unless they’re concealed) they just get a slightly better save
Retain a success iirc?
It gets a little more complicated with light and heavy cover
cosmic tulip
as an unrelated note
He got super mad when he found out I pirated 60 dollar games i already bought before
cosmic tulip
the console version of BG3 like
I'm sure it got better
but it takes up my entire hard drive
and it still stutters
PC doesn't do any of that
He's generally a very funny and nice guy
but he got really mad at me
thin ibex
Really need to get more farstalker games under my belt
Only have like 2 rn
Both losses
But I enjoyed em both
Farstalkers just aren't very forgiving
But I can see the like... paths to where they shine, but can't walk em
One thing I did learn was that I should conceal fucking everyone turn 1
Because we will get SHREDDED
pastel rampart
cosmic tulip
Oooh
jaunty dawn
Eyes emoji
The last one of these was about a deployment of tempestus scions
Mixed auxiliary kill team would be really cool
Like lets you establish a lot of species at once without needing to commit a full expansion worth of kits
Plus obv perfect for kill team to have various specialists
paper bluff
Finally seeing the humans from the tau empire would be fun
jaunty dawn
These guys seem a lot more mechanically interesting than the twistweald
And the way theyve adapted the command faction rule to warcry is super interesting
paper bluff
I do like the design and the fact that one of them seems to be casting the magic spell Bees
cosmic tulip
They’re saying that its Vespid
cosmic tulip
Like lets you establish a lot of species at once without needing to commit a ful...
Leaks confirmed it’s a vespid against scions team
I wanted guevesa too
But they seem adamant to say they don’t exist
pastel rampart
Hey I'll take more vespid.
They've always been this potentially interesting element that gets fuck-all reason to field in Tau lists.
jaunty dawn
Ill be honest guevesa are literally the least exciting auxiliary they could do
More human models are not what xenos factions are missing haha
pastel rampart
Yeah. Not that they shouldn't include them, but also on the list of "cool non-tau units to add" more humans is kinda at the bottom.
jaunty dawn
Gsc excepted
cosmic tulip
It would be cool lore wise though
The most xenophobic human soldiers against the least
I do want a mixed auxiliary kt
But it’s probably too many rules quirks and too low interest on GWs shareholders
jaunty dawn
I feel like gue'vesa team is basically gonna come in two flavours anyway; an imperial guard squad you can just agree to bring in a narrative game or just a fire warrior squad with human body which is both very easy to kitbash and doesnt need its own rules
pulsar cairn
The most xenophobic human soldiers against the least
that makes me think of that one aeldari who's hanging out with the sisters of battle
jaunty dawn
The former being immediate auxiliaries and the latter being humans from tau worlds
pulsar cairn
they are probably as xenophobic as one can be
jaunty dawn
To be fair the sisters arent much more of a fan of ephrael stern herself
cosmic tulip
I’d love unique rules to reflect tau culture and stuff too
It’ would be nice
I’m sure they could make it more complex than just guard
pulsar cairn
To be fair the sisters arent much more of a fan of ephrael stern herself
really now?
for what reason?
jaunty dawn
Thats what I mean by the latter
Like i dont think theyd really be that different from a fire warrior squad and thats eminently kitbashable
While the former is more like the gue'vesa from taros campaign - literally guard or pdf squads that have been incorporated into tau command
jaunty dawn
for what reason?
Her whole deal is very unprecedented and weird and looks a lot like chaos corruption to many sisters
Been the sole survivor of a few events
I think shes relatively accepted in more current events
But yeah theres a reason one of her epithets is 'The Heretic Saint'
Also a lot of moments where she fights chaos corrupted sisters or whatever and then ppl don't believe her when she says they were corrupted
Drama
jaunty dawn
Like i dont think theyd really be that different from a fire warrior squad and t...
To be clear what I mean by this is they don't have wings or superhuman prowess combined with weird evolutionary powers
unreal cosmos
I feel like gue'vesa team is basically gonna come in two flavours anyway; an imp...
More or less my stance, they'd have to make up some kind of special gimmick to make a kit worthwhile
jaunty dawn
Or are big psychic bears or titan killing megafauna or genius crabs
unreal cosmos
A kit would be neat but like, it's very easy to do on your own
jaunty dawn
So actually (also from taros campaign) I would like a gue'vesa squad more like the mining gangs
Thats slightly less unique nowadays that gsc went all in on that aesthetic but the idea of focusing on humans in an expression not seen in the human factions is quite interesting
But I feel like thats not what a lot of people want from gue'vesa
They were cool though. Scrappy little unit with an attached ogryn and mining explosives n such
pulsar cairn
Also a lot of moments where she fights chaos corrupted sisters or whatever and t...
i like her
tired cairn
Agricultural workers aren't represented. Give them laser pitchforks or something
(though that would be better if knights ever get infantry)
jaunty dawn
Yeah
paper bluff
Only imperial knights though. Chaos knights have all the small knight options
cosmic tulip
Oh shit
Hear me out
Guevesa psykers
We know psykers are treated well under the Tau
pastel rampart
solemn gull
I do want a mixed auxiliary kt
It would be cool to have a team of just a bunch of different tau auxiliaries, like here’s a kroot, some vespids, a human, those Deruig or whatever the tau dwarves are called.
floral herald
They've always been this potentially interesting element that gets fuck-all reas...
They were like like “fuck Vespid” with the breachers imo
pine matrix
It would be cool to have a team of just a bunch of different tau auxiliaries, li...
Agreed, need more alien weirdo in 40k, though the Tau-Dwarves were confirmed to be the LoV IIRC
cosmic tulip
My friend keeps saying Votann working with tau is cringe and lame
He says tau are lame for a lot of things ):
pine matrix
I think it's cool! It makes way too much sense for the Votann to trade with probably the only major faction that they could have positive relationships with
thin ibex
theres a lot of tau hate still out there
i wound't let it bother you
the biggest reaspn to take vespid in tau lists is really just a cheaper backline depstriker unit. They still dont see a lot of play cause for that benefit they still dont really interact with tau rules much at all
finite compass
Votann are the entire reason Tau have Ion Cannon tech
Be sure to rub that in when next you see him
upper canopy
I feel like that's the opposite of what's desired
floral herald
I think it's cool! It makes way too much sense for the Votann to trade with prob...
Eldar are also possible but they’re less interested in trade
floral herald
the biggest reaspn to take vespid in tau lists is really just a cheaper backline...
Back when I played Tau actively (admittedly long ago) their niche was having AP3 guns and speed, and there’s other sources of high-AP shooting for Tau now so they’re harder to take IMO
They also had Rending melee but that wasn’t why you took them really it was just neat
bright dove
When they first came out, they were great at getting to back and side armor
floral herald
With they didn’t have attacks worth mentioning much for antitank work though
cosmic tulip
Be sure to rub that in when next you see him
He said they're even more cringe for not having their own guns
floral herald
IIRC they were S4 AP3 assault 1?
cosmic tulip
Although he's also super annoying about dwarves and Deep Rock too
maybe it comes with the territory
floral herald
I forget how their melee was for tanks though
cosmic tulip
Eldar are also possible but they’re less interested in trade
Votann do trade with eldar a lot too!
thin ibex
Tau have other guns than ion though
floral herald
IIRC they were S4 AP3 assault 1?
Whoops make that S5
Lordy I forgot Stingwings only had a 5+ save then
cosmic tulip
Tau have other guns than ion though
yeah
tired cairn
Lordy I forgot Stingwings only had a 5+ save then
Is that back when tshirt saves were 6+ through?
thin ibex
like i said, i think theres still a lot of nebulous tau hate that floats around
bright dove
Saves outside of MEQ were not great usually
jaunty dawn
4 was okay
bright dove
It was a coinflip,, ye
jaunty dawn
Less was kinda pointless. Completely pointless when cover saves became a thing
tired cairn
Oh huh, Hive Tyrants in 3rd only had a 3+ save unless you spent more points. When did invul saves become a thing?
I guess AP worked completely differently then
jaunty dawn
I know in 4th 2+/4++ were both from the same psychic power
finite compass
If something had, say, AP 3, it would ignore 3+ and worse
jaunty dawn
For tyranids i mean
jaunty dawn
Ap 5 was very common
finite compass
But everybody with a better save is still getting the full save
jaunty dawn
Ap 6 was bad ap. You had to be truly abysmal to have ap dash
So 6+ was kinda worthless
tired cairn
Also marines were popular enough to skew everything save wise
bright dove
It worked on lasguns
jaunty dawn
Pretty sure even lasguns were 3 6
finite compass
Though oddly enough AP had zero effect with vehicles
Hits on vehicles were just calculated using strength
Lasguns were 3 -
bright dove
Hits on vehicles were just calculated using strength
Which made plasma fun
floral herald
Oh huh, Hive Tyrants in 3rd only had a 3+ save unless you spent more points. Whe...
Iirc they had an invuln but it wasn’t noted in saves
Which was very common at the time
finite compass
Though IIRC, Hive Tyrants did have an invulnerable save...In the 3rd ed. Rulebook army lists
But not when teh actual codex came out
jaunty dawn
But also when cover saves became a thing, they were basically low invulnerable saves from cover. So most things had a 6++ unless they were completely in the open
If not a 5++ from better cover
finite compass
This is why you gave your IG Cameleoline
jaunty dawn
Or a 3++ everywhere because of stealth and shrouded in 5e and on lol
bright dove
And there was also 3++ from bunkers
finite compass
Unless it was hit by a flamer template, yeah
jaunty dawn
Scouts were tough
In cover
But yeah plasma spam has been a problem for the entire game
Its why terminators got an invuln
You just found the ap 3 in your codex and used a lot of it
bright dove
Guardians with starcannon, my beloved.
finite compass
You know what I have an inordinate fondness for
The 3e Catachan list and the Jungle Fighting rules
tired cairn
I know in 4th 2+/4++ were both from the same psychic power
Oh wow, 4th edition Warp Field g
ave 2+/6++
And yeah, I don't see the invul in the 3e codex I have
finite compass
I even want to say the rulebook Hive Tyrant was a 2++
I know the Zoanthrope was
Fuck, this is gonna bug me so I'm gonna go find it.
tired cairn
At least, 3e and 4e are the old codexes I think I have. GW doesn't put the edition number on anything >:|
floral herald
I think the only 2++ from that era was the dark Eldar Shadowfield
finite compass
Though weirdly the 2+ standard save was fluffed as a psychic barrier
Which is typically invulnerable
jaunty dawn
Shadowfield is cool
tired cairn
It's specifically mentioned as being able to be overwhelmed. For as to why it isn't an invul
finite compass
I remember it being pretty much mandatory before they got the update
jaunty dawn
Tyranid psychic powers were super cool then
finite compass
The rulebook lists were pretty bare bones
So the Zoanthrope was just basically "This counts as a lascannon but Assault"
And the Tyrant didn't have powers, but a bunch fo special rules that basically did the same stuff
tired cairn
What edition was this?
jaunty dawn
There was like only one that used a check because the hive mind cast everything perfectly. But also their powers were more different in function and often passive
finite compass
3rd
tired cairn
Oh, this is the rulebook version
finite compass
Yep
The codex was a pretty huge change for Tyranids
Less so for Marines and Guard
tired cairn
Did all weapons just do one wound?
finite compass
Yes
Unless they were double a target's toughness
Then it was instant death if they failed the armor save
floral herald
Did all weapons just do one wound?
Almost entirely yes
There were some instant death effects and strength D did more
tired cairn
Ah, this is why tanks could be weirdly paper compared to monstrous creatures right?
floral herald
Yeah
Monstrous Creaters with T6+ were mostly immune to instant death
And tanks were not
So a T6 W6 Carnifex takes 6 lascannon shots
raw vessel
thanks google
tired cairn
Hopefully more engaging than some of the middle Wheel of Time books
jaunty dawn
26,881 pages 7 words
tired cairn
Oh, you asked for words lol
jaunty dawn
But yeah this feature was already often awful and now they've decided rewriting them with llm was a good idea
tired cairn
It looks like that's just a quote from the page that was cutoff too early?
tired cairn
Oh, that highlight is weird lol
jaunty dawn
This is an example of how the feature is already bad
And now they're rolling out making it worse
I think its cause the paragraph is a run on sentence but yeah
thin ibex
Wait what feature?
jaunty dawn
Uh overview/preview things
Automated ones
Which are going from attempting to correctly parse information from a webpage to taking that attempt at information and laundering it through chatgpt style things so its not even a quote in context anymore
jaunty dawn
Not totally sure on 4e
paper bluff
thanks google
Tell you what, there's atleast 26 letters to each of those books
jaunty dawn
But their thing was reviving a bunch of minions in big units yeah
Not quite as much now but three units each turn (both turns) recover 3 wounds worth of models/health
As long as they stick by heroes
And they can use cp to revive units (only once per unit as a universal rule)
While vampire units heal when they melee for sustain
Elite vampires and horde minions and your taste of how much of each
They also get deep strike near terrain features
Which used to be gravesite points
To represent summoning the dead from the battlefield
Deathrattle also revive models as a unit ability both turns. Big 20-40 model blobs
tepid stratus
Oops all vampires is also a totally viable elite build
My current list is 2x10 bloodknights, vamp on dragon, Vordrai and 8 askurgans in the bachanal of blood formation
bright dove
They are super tempting as an army. They gutted my bois that I was considering after Beasts got the Old World Shuffle.
past sphinx
hes coming
For your (gene)seed!
need some apothocarys in the dark powers that aint bill
uneven ember
Oh huh, Hive Tyrants in 3rd only had a 3+ save unless you spent more points. Whe...
Invuln used to be a lot less common.
Back when you had to pay wargear points to give your Captain/Lieutenant an Iron Halo, and you could only have one per army.
Terminators got them about... idk several years into 3rd, basically because you had enough power weapons and ignore armor attacks that they felt pretty flimsy for the points/ role
jaunty dawn
We did discuss all this haha
floral herald
Invuln used to be a lot less common.
Back when you had to pay wargear points to ...
Tbf you could also only take 2 HQ
I don’t think I ever saw double captain
uneven ember
I don’t think I ever saw double captain
yeah probs
I was Templars specifically, & in the original Codex the Emperor's Champion had to be taken and had the army's only Halo.
So I took a lot of Chaplains for my other HQ
floral herald
Makes sense
Notice how it isn’t played on the PlayStation
||(My gf actually got served this ad on Amazon)||
tired cairn
Wat
balmy wave
around how many times might a Stormcast be Reforged before being taken to one of the Bleak Citadels?
jaunty dawn
i think...many
but less now with the belakor storms?
which has hit the flying guys hardest
pastel rampart
https://fxtwitter.com/101ho_/status/1816801891856060553
https://fxtwitter.com/101ho_/status/1816818933481250918
finite compass
https://fxtwitter.com/101ho_/status/1816801891856060553
https://fxtwitter.com/10...
Daughters of Malice?
pastel rampart
Wife, actually
finite compass
I kind of want to do a Sons of Malice force, but...Black and white halved color scheme.
It looks awesome, but it'd be a pain in the ass
paper bluff
white is a pain color to get
upper bluff
Who doesn't love the medical chainsaw
past sphinx
its dark blue over drybrushed gunmetal and silver
upper bluff
It's night Lord colors right?
past sphinx
It's night Lord colors right?
aye
pulsar cairn
Why do chaos space marines have a different power pack
past sphinx
lore reason or GW reason?
past sphinx
Gw, it breaks up chaos marines visual silhouette instantly and is broader and more imposing than normal marines
lore their packs where designed for zero g manouvers, the wider heat ports allowing them to more precisely jet around
why do they all have them now? who knows
space piracy probably
pulsar cairn
Neat
floral herald
I think they’re just mutated
past sphinx
I think they’re just mutated
negative they are "anvilus" pattern power packs
their prototypes from a forgeworld that went with the warmaster early on
floral herald
Huh I had just assumed since so many of the ones are all mutated
quaint compass
There's a lot of meat, but they're also harkening towards the bio-mechanical concept art too. Gives CSM another aesthetic distinction from Spayse Meens, Primaris especially.
jaunty dawn
it's a bit of both
I think?
especially since ofc there was a lot of variety in csm backpacks before the anvilus lore came in a hh black book
so like there's anvilus but also other marks that have mutated to look similar to anvilus I think
although most modern models are pretty consistent having said that
quaint compass
There are definite marks of mutation on some of the Khorne Berzerker models, but nothing to impact the silhoutte
jaunty dawn
oh you know what actually
technically the only depiction labelled anvilus is from the front
so there's no way of knowing
but my point is there are long nozzle backpacks with various mark features
so there's not just one anvilus backpack
and really the metatextual reasons are just as important as the like. one image they put in a horus heresy book to let people use csm bits
uneven ember
Oh hey Bobo got C&Ded
Not really important & if you don't know what that means you're better off but it does give me a grin
pastel rampart
uneven ember
Where's the lie
solemn gull
need some apothocarys in the dark powers that aint bill
Chaos apothecaries are so cool because they are kind of the opposite of chaos or at least don’t benefit from it. Like they are in a losing battle to keep the geneseed stable and the few battle brothers alive since they don’t have much of either.
Probably why Talos got 3 books
floral herald
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1266739120785588295/GT...
Oh so someone saw someone talking about the night lords books haha
raw vessel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1266739120785588295/GT...
Literally me with Fabius Bile.
Yes, his over memed atheism is really just a facet of the fight against his will and willingness to take any cost versus a universe that has served him a death sentence for ten thousand years, a survival that has blinded him to the fact that he is still a slave to this desire and the dark gods.
Yes that's a coat made out of human skin he's wearing.
pastel rampart
Oh hell yeah I love those old noise marines
I got this OG kickin' around somewhere.
pastel rampart
past sphinx
solemn gull
A lot of the old gw sculpts are still being made by small companies that picked up the molds
So some of that charm is still being kept alive which is nice
pastel rampart
Some of the really old ones, anyway. Or made by some of those old sculptors as a kind of "inspited by."
jaunty dawn
yooooo wtf????
idk if I missed this or this is just a pretty huge new thing they didnt talk about before pre orderr at all
floral herald
Ooh
thin ibex
do yall think war cry or spearhead are the better format to like
get into or start aos
south axle
Spearhead, as it is AoS light while WarCry is its own ruleset
jaunty dawn
yeah
south axle
idk if I missed this or this is just a pretty huge new thing they didnt talk abo...
Unsure exactly what I am looking for?
jaunty dawn
unless you just hate your factions spearhead
all warcry warbands getting passive effects called battle traits
solemn gull
Warcry models are so cool
jaunty dawn
warband wise warcry is kinda in a weird position of being both kt21 and traditional kill team simultaneously
south axle
Warcry has real cool stuff, wish that the Underworld rats were Warcry instead
south axle
Ye, but 2/3 of the skaven are OOP
jaunty dawn
when skaven get a warcry band they'll get an even bigger pack of cool models
but yeah fair
i too wish gw didnt discontinue their coolest models lol
solemn gull
Real
south axle
Skabbik is in prod still, Skittershank is temp out of stock for like 4+ months, and Spiteclaw got reproduced in a mega box with 3 non-rat kits
https://www.warhammer.com/en-SE/shop/skaven-skittershanks-clawpack-2023 is one of my fave kits
Also, big dislike on Rats not being considered a race
jaunty dawn
weird
south axle
Skaven aren't in Daemon besides the Verminlords
jaunty dawn
exactly
south axle
He is mortal!
jaunty dawn
really????
jaunty dawn
oh yeah no I mean the webstore is just wrong
south axle
jaunty dawn
ah yes
south axle
The race tab shouldn't exist considering how bad it is
desert jay
Where's the lie
Not enough spikes
floral herald
Got to play kill team last night
Intro game with open play rules for legionaries vs clowns
I (Legionaries) won by 1 VP but neither of us played that well
Sad to say that I think the Butcher is actually sort of bad like the haters online said
good call by the haters
These are SO fucking sick
jaunty dawn
niceeee
pastel rampart
solemn gull
Reminds me of the alfabusa quote “HUMAN BRAIN LOVE WHEN THING LOOK WEIRD, LOVE THE HORSESKULL”
floral herald
http://puu.sh/KbN7H/275d2427c5.jpg
I love those
Don't know what the hell they are but they look inq warband-y
solemn gull
dense sedge
Intro game with open play rules for legionaries vs clowns
clowns?
dense sedge
right, I forgot you could run basic 40k guys
floral herald
VDC is a weird white dwarf one but yeah it’s all mainline 40k models
jaunty dawn
mm it's a full team but not its own kit
and I think pretty timelessly good because 8 apl 3 ppl haha
tho I guess blades of khaine are also just a straight up 8 apl 3 team now
floral herald
nice
jaunty dawn
did some fun conversion work :)
made vanguard who are dashing with their arquebuses instead of being in a sniper pose, and used this one hand rifle I made ages ago finally for a ranger alpha and gave them a hand I had laying around
pine matrix
These are SO fucking sick
Goddamn these all rule but I love these guys
pastel rampart
Almost done.
pine matrix
Almost done.
Ohhhhh shit, incredible freaks
pastel rampart
TOP FREAKS
solemn gull
Almost done.
They are adorable I love the beastman/squid guy
pastel rampart
Tentacle rollers are a great tool to make instant Weirdo Freaks.
solemn gull
Personally I just used a comb
balmy wave
These are SO fucking sick
the manhounds are horrifying but awesome
thin ibex
uneven ember
holy shit
pastel rampart
That owns
mental birch
Oh shit they changed out the outrider
past sphinx
reminds me i need to build a warhammer FREE WIFI apc
pastel rampart
https://leadmountainwidow.wordpress.com/banners-and-standards-and-flags-oh-no/ Found a treasure trove of classic banners.
uneven ember
ooohhhh
soft willow
Absolutely glorious, thanks for sharing the link.
pastel rampart
I love me some old-school banners.
bright dove
tf is going on with nighthaunt?!
past sphinx
spooky gang shit no doubt
lucid scarab
Spooky scary predators in the woods
upper canopy
paper bluff
Initial winrates of 4e and good lord
What? What's happening?
finite compass
On that note, I might actually divest myself of my decade-long salt and pick up some AoS stuff
And being a longtime VC fan, looking at Gravelords
(Maybe i can stick them on square bases to feel better)
upper canopy
As someone who hates the End Times more than anyone on this currently existing planet Age of Sigmar is fun
the game is fun, the lore is fun, and the models are leagues better than 40k for the most part
desert jay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975559882197577821/1266786476046159995/im...
Huh, the stormcast skew is way less than space marines it seems
south axle
SCE and Skaven sitting at 45% while being the two face factions for the edition is probably good
still warren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975559882197577821/1266786476046159995/im...
Rip to kruleboyz, couldn't escape from having the lowest win rate in 3e
jaunty dawn
nighthaunt going wild w/it
quaint compass
That's because Stormcast are just one faction
Prepare for the reveal of Chaoscast, Destructioncast, and Deathcast.
jaunty dawn
I feel like over time stormcast are heading toward just being a normal faction
with their reboot n such
idk if they'd ever not be the face though
too tied into how gw markets things
floral herald
Prepare for the reveal of Chaoscast, Destructioncast, and Deathcast.
I mean isn’t that sorta the case with like ironjaws, WoC, and ossiarchs ?
quaint compass
-# damn, its already too late
rocky harness
Warp spawn or deamon engine?
solemn gull
Primaris lieutenant
tepid stratus
tf is going on with nighthaunt?!
They ignore half the movement restrictions in the game. Also this data is from like 3 events so it's hardly descriptive. Kruleboyz has been noted by high level players to be very strong but has a high skill floor
tepid stratus
I mean isn’t that sorta the case with like ironjaws, WoC, and ossiarchs ?
Yes, quite intentionally. Well WoC gets a pass for being classic but ossiarchs is nagash making fun of stormcast and ironjawz main subfaction paints themselves yellow because "the shiny metal gitz puts up a proppa fight, we wants to fight proppa too"
jaunty dawn
They ignore half the movement restrictions in the game. Also this data is from l...
in an edition where one of the big things right now is endless spell screening, too
tepid stratus
What? What's happening?
Like 3 events happened so the meta hasn't been decided yet. Nighthaunt ignore a bunch of movement restrictions which people are still learning to play around and armies like kruleboyz had their skill floors (and subsequently skill ceilings) raised
tepid stratus
in an edition where one of the big things right now is endless spell screening, ...
Yeah a lot of people just don't own the generic endless spells. I kinda lucked out with my low cast armies not needing them and my high cast armies using their faction endless spells
thin ibex
i feel like of any faction, Stormcast sitting at like 50ish percent is ideal
since its gonna be the like "new guy" army for a lotta lotta people
runic swallow
Any ideas what I could proxy this for?
My gut instinct would be a demon prince or chaos spawn
floral herald
Yes, quite intentionally. Well WoC gets a pass for being classic but ossiarchs i...
Love that for Ironjaws
upper canopy
Remember when 40k discussions were just constant in tabletop no matterr what else people were talking about
past sphinx
Struck down for being to active in the community
quaint compass
OUR special interest
THEIR incessant jabbering
cosmic tulip
hmmm
I realized why AOS is more appealing to me than 40k atm
the characters are less hateful all the time
tepid stratus
Arch Kavalos Zantdos has entered the chat
tepid stratus
To note Zantdos is explicitly a bad guy and even by ossiarch standards is "a bit much"
Dudes old rules where literally called "Hatred of the living" and "Still their breath"
tepid stratus
Oh yeah, way more actual heroes and anti heroes
uneven ember
just making sure its not eclipsing other stuff
"banished to the Phantom Zone"
spice flicker
Better to attach a scion command squad to a 5 man squad and placed in a missile taurox prime, or just a 10 man scion squad in a missile taurox prime and the command squad by itself in another?
tepid stratus
Better to attach a scion command squad to a 5 man squad and placed in a missile ...
Attach to the 5 man for sustained hits in the special weapons
spice flicker
I was working on a scions+kasrkin+transports list and had 300 points to spare and trying to find a good way to fill out the rest while keeping the theme I've had so far with the list.
floral herald
Just got a cheap airbrush set up
Oh my gosh how did I do without
This shit's incredible for priming and such
And means I can prime indoors which is nice because its been way too humid 90% of the time to use a spray can outside
bold halo
yeah and no more dealing with all the propellant fumes from rattlecans
floral herald
💯
I have a painter's mask and run fans but that's about it
Ok fans might be the wrong term
The previous occupant of this house for some reason installed an industrial fan system in the attic and it can force a hard draft across the whole house
floral herald
It's actually so nice in the summer just for getting a breeze
floral herald
Probably enough for rattlecans inside lol
I don't wanna find out but yeah
tired cairn
I like the airbrush for doing subtler/easier blending
pastel rampart
I'm not so good with doing blends on the airbrush but it's been invaluable just for laying down colors fast, quick zenithals, and most importantly: varnishing.
solemn gull
This shit's incredible for priming and such
Don’t forget zenethals!
Every painting style looks better with a zenethal
pulsar cairn
tbf, not struck down
True! But its funny to think on how much we took over 
floral herald
Every painting style looks better with a zenethal
I should check it out
pulsar cairn
Whats a zenethal
floral herald
It's a shortcut to good highlighting aiui
pastel rampart
2 or 3-tone painting job that starts with black, then grey at a 45-degree angle, and finally white directly on top.
Some people skip the grey part.
This can be done with any 3 sets of colors too btw.
floral herald
really itense example
pastel rampart
They're great for things like Contrast paints or lots of glazing because you basically have your shadows, mid-tones, and highlights baked in.
pulsar cairn
Ooh
solemn gull
Also every paint is at least semi-transparent so what you have beneath it matters/great shortcut to make your oils and inks pop
tired cairn
Whats a zenethal
The most common way to do things is to spray (white) paint from a high angle onto the (black primed) model to get where the light will be built in when you layer stuff on top.
Called zenith because it's as if the sun was (near) directly above the model. And it works because acrylic paints can be pretty transparent
thin ibex
are drop pod devastators still considered halfway decent?
I was thinking good drop pod candidates would be the sternguard, infernus, and maybe devastators
unreal cosmos
Sgt Park of the Solar Bears, 9th Company "Eradicator" Fire Support Squad, seconded to 1st Company. First deployment after promotion from Scout, competent but slightly overwhelmed from the change in equipment and fighting on the front line of the Fourth Tyrannic War alongside chapter veterans.
(maybe not the best lighting/angle but I'm not in the mood to fiddle around with it rn.)
uneven ember
nah that's dope
unreal cosmos
Thanks!
runic swallow
Man, I didn’t realize that it’s coming out in a bit over a month, I’m real excited (still sad they couldn’t get Mark Strong back to voice Titus, new guy doesn’t quite do it for me)
https://youtu.be/0c69LB_PX0c
bright dove
Oh my god. Now that is a swarm
runic swallow
I know right? Next gen hardware and I assume some of that hitman-style crowd ai stuff
(Where they’re all dumb as shit to save on processing, which generally works for gaunts)
I’ll be interested to see how it runs if you don’t have to-notch hardware, I hope it’s pretty well optimized due to all, you know, the stuff going on in it
floral herald
Supposedly some builts have been really well optimized
So even mid-low hardware is handling it pretty well
runic swallow
Nice to hear
paper bluff
Supposedly some builts have been really well optimized
Blessed BE! Optimizstion. Too often that gets thrown out by software developers
thin ibex
Oh hey for people interested all 3 warhammer total wars were on sale last I checked
solemn gull
Sgt Park of the Solar Bears, 9th Company "Eradicator" Fire Support Squad, second...
The extra lore and stuff with the heraldry is awesome
pulsar cairn
unreal cosmos
The extra lore and stuff with the heraldry is awesome
Thank you! Hold on a second.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dbl110ZA1igJZ1oJtTaLaDj7rBAmwoMwX_ujm-yVmUE/edit#heading=h.bs37q4ls6cjq There's more than this in my head but I haven't been able to articulate it all.
floral herald
That Lemartes sculpt is dope
The Astorath one isn’t bad but idk I wish they had done something a little more adventurous from the previous model
Actually comparing them, I really like how they made that mask more mask-like
It’s a good iterative upgrade for sure
The longer limbs also give better lines of motion I think
jovial berry
He looks neat
floral herald
Yeah it’s a great model
jovial berry
We really like the wing sculpt
floral herald
I just needed to look up the old one to see how they changed it since the posing is so similar
jovial berry
They got rid of the cool scroll stuff though :(
Wish they kept it cause it looks sick
He got a nicer haircut though
Nooooo his molded armor nips are gone
paper bluff
With green stuff you can put them back. And make them a matching gold
past sphinx
The Astorath one isn’t bad but idk I wish they had done something a little more ...
I don't like either but I do really like how he still looks like Le walmartes
Hes so angy
Downright annoyed
Oops asteroth
Asteroth still nails asteroth
floral herald
Yeah the sculpt is iconic
past sphinx
And I do like le walmartes but I don't see him in there
Its just one of those aestetic tentpole old models
But then again that is a very good primaris jetpack chaplain
The composure and grace in old martes i think does a lot for his character. Like he is lifted up by the brainrot
floral herald
I think the IFs guy might be
jaunty dawn
he isnt
agatone might be
but only because he has so little backstory it isnt mentioned either way
but his fellow new tm characters, feirros and tor garadon, are explicitly rubicon peeps
oh
he takes his name from a pre dark imperium chatacter
2013 short story
so probably not him either
floral herald
Oh Severus Acheran might be
I’ve not read the book he’s in
But I can’t find any mention of him crossing the rubicon and I think he was elevated to captain before it was first tried
jaunty dawn
hm
i dont think hes really what I mean by character
cause hes just an identity given to a generic model
rather than a unique unit
paper bluff
Imma be honest. While a primaris character would be nice. I think space marines have enough named characters. Yes yes bread and butter of GW but still
south axle
They didn't do any models for the Unnumbered
south axle
Giving AdMech Alpha Primus would be neat
jaunty dawn
he just uses lieutenant rules but it is a model
and hes like an early dark angels primaris from back when they were distrusted
idk i mean the thing is its not that we havent had new characters
weve had a fair amount as is already
its just none of them are like, notable as an original primaris
thin ibex
they could kill some existing characters
south axle
I wish they returned the Skaven Deathrunners
thin ibex
I want a tau character who can lead broadsides
south axle
This guy slaps
solemn gull
I’m surprised more helmetless space marines haven’t been killed off
south axle
Rule of cool makes them immune to headshots
solemn gull
But nothing is cooler than a beakie helmet!
south axle
Put it on the hip
solemn gull
Nothing is cooler then wearing your mandated safety equipment
This message was sponsored by Mechanicus OSHA
south axle
Mechanicus and OSHA would have big beef
solemn gull
Depends on what servitors count as
south axle
Disposable
cinder wraith
past sphinx
Agreed no fleshtearers codex
No seth
Shame no assault terminators really thats what this growing boy needs
pastel rampart
pulsar cairn
i was about to ask if that was a chaos mouth or just the armor design
but then i read "nurgle" that's all the info i need
solemn gull
Skinny nurgle feels so weird
bright dove
The other side of decay!
pastel rampart
paper bluff
Whelp. Can't unsee this now. He's got the crazy eyes
thin ibex
ball gag skull
thin ibex
cursed as hell, but that's a space marine skull ||ahegao||
tired cairn
The Blood Angels are really not beating the vampire allegations with those fangs on their masks
bright dove
You'd think it'd be because of the blood drinking
pulsar cairn
cursed as hell, but that's a space marine skull ||ahegao||
perish 
hard whale
You'd think it'd be because of the blood drinking
there's blood everywhere in the grimdark future, you can't be blamed for drinking a bit
unreal cosmos
maybe that *should* be the death company aesthetic
As I was saying in another server, 40k has a lot of S&M imagery buried in its roots and they should embrace it
jaunty dawn
definitely
bright dove
Dark Eldar
unreal cosmos
We need more of it elsewhere so people don't just make Slaanesh joke whenever something sexual shows up
junior robin
Dont forget the weird imperial fists pain suits
upper bluff
Also arcoflagellants
unreal cosmos
Ever taken a close look at the AdMech chicken walkers?
junior robin
Now I want to do "the emperors whips", totally not a chapter made with emperors children geneseed...
unreal cosmos
Honestly it's funnier if they aren't
upper bluff
I think with the new imperial agent codex you could make a real good s&m list
Skin tight leather assassins, arcoflagellants (probably), kitbash some deathwatch guys with whips
junior robin
Ultramarines and they whip each other when they fail to follow the codex astartes
pastel rampart
We need more of it elsewhere so people don't just make Slaanesh joke whenever so...
Or SoB.
which gets into either dommy mommy nuns in heels, muscle mommy nuns in heels, or both.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?item=256585861519&rt=nc&_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l161211&_ssn=litsnsirn oh speaking of dark eldar, if anyone's looking for some units for cheap I stumbled on this dude selling a bunch (and some old eldar)
desert jay
which gets into either dommy mommy nuns in heels, muscle mommy nuns in heels, or...
I want my biker nuns already, dangit
rocky shale
Biker repentia but they're just riding tricycles or something
jaunty dawn
bike repentia but theyre allowed to wear leather jackets
thin ibex
SoB and Death Cult were heavy into it
pastel rampart
bike repentia but theyre allowed to wear leather jackets
Leather vests and carabiner clips on their belts.
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-printing/holy-plasma-biker-chicks also annoyingly there was a really good, free STL of SoB bikers but it got removed. All I can find is photos of people who printed and painted them.
Oh no wait I still have it in my download history
Eh he he he
jaunty dawn
ooh
pastel rampart
But uuuuh yeah no real reason SoB shouldn't have bikes or some sort of cavalry unit.
jaunty dawn
i want horsies
pastel rampart
Mechanical horses powered by the crushed bones of saints and somehow covered in candles.
thin ibex
so, i wonder how one might mechanically define the sob cav
jaunty dawn
unit thats both the knights of brettonia and the haindmaidens of brettonia
thin ibex
feels a bit boring to just be sisters on marine bikes, but then the sob got the predator recently
jaunty dawn
yeah and its silly
thin ibex
id love to see a very sisters flavored take on the bikers
jaunty dawn
i do like the idea of repentia bikers
thin ibex
would they be like... harrasment units or shock cav style units?
for repentia i could def see shock cav
jaunty dawn
just so its not just girl marine
thin ibex
very fragile, deadly on the charge
jaunty dawn
archetypically bikers usually represented something slightly tougher
cause they all had +1 toughness
thin ibex
i feel like the gsc bikers were a cool take on bikers
but also not suited for SoB
SoB on dirt bikes xD
floral herald
feels a bit boring to just be sisters on marine bikes, but then the sob got the ...
Give them lances
SoB are already "imperial eldar" so it can be kinda like shining spears
And mirrors the distinction between SoB and marine jump pack units
jaunty dawn
attack bike but its got sawblades
pastel rampart
Oh yeah deffo give them power lances, make them incredibly deadly on the charge but not exactly suited for extended combat.
rocky shale
Flamer or melta bikes
finite compass
Dont forget the weird imperial fists pain suits
floral herald
dense sedge
I like the new blood angels, especially the characters
I have way too much to paint already though lol
remote wharf
As a blood angels fan I am eating gooooood.
solemn gull
I know it’s about brand recognition and marketing but would it kill them to show off anything besides the big 9 marines
I mean stuff besides space marines would be cool but a middle ground of a cool lamenter or howling griffin would be neat
floral herald
The new upgrade sprue looks really nice I like the heads
unreal cosmos
I know it’s about brand recognition and marketing but would it kill them to show...
They barely show off half of those nine
jaunty dawn
yeah if by big nine you mean the loyalist legions there are successor chapters that get more rep
pulsar cairn
from what Lorgar said
Erebus is in with the chaos gods for the benefits
which honestly fits even tho he's a word bearer
finite compass
pulsar cairn
listening to the betrayer audiobook
solemn gull
They barely show off half of those nine
Remember that brief moment when people remembered iron hands existed purely for the dreadnought meta
bold halo
damn there was a dreadnought meta and I missed it?
jaunty dawn
iron hands are often mechanically good but narratively are one of the most neglected chapters
unreal cosmos
which is wild because they're fascinating
if approached right
annoyed that 8E apparently walked back their "barely a unified Chapter" lore
jaunty dawn
yeah
they got like
one update
and it was like 'all previous lore we never heard of it'
but hey we got a named character
paper bluff
and no model iirc?
mental birch
damn there was a dreadnought meta and I missed it?
It was not fun
pastel rampart
Iron Hands is funny because they've been around forever but only got like, a big chunk of lore in fuckin' 6th ed.
jaunty dawn
their good and cool lore was around already in 3e
floral herald
damn there was a dreadnought meta and I missed it?
which time?
unreal cosmos
Iron Hands are kinda dull when they're "what if Space Marines just kinda cribbed on Adeptus Mechanicus" and fascinating when they're "literal technobarbarians who think might makes right and thus try to achieve might through tech"
floral herald
I like the lore they have where they’re one of the few human factions who maintain some degree of technological autonomy from the Admech
solemn gull
I mean I still think they are on the grimderp side with the whole super deadly tests to make you a biological killing machine and then chopping all of those expensive parts off you for bionics
pastel rampart
their good and cool lore was around already in 3e
That particular Chapter Approved did give them quite a bit of lore but the whole schism didn't really get explored until 6th iirc
solemn gull
I wish for the 10th edition they made crimson fists the poster boys as a callback to rogue trader
pastel rampart
Well, 3rd had the crimson fists on the cover.
solemn gull
True but the 10th edition feels like a monument of sorts so a callback seems appropriate
past sphinx
wait Zerkers cant have double chainaxes anymore
truely the WE codex was a mistake
we must go back
return to overbloated single CSM book
thin ibex
dont they have double chainaxes and its just not like