I'd like to get the collection some day, the one with the Undivided entry, but lol at finding that like...ever.
#Warhammer and Such
pastel rampart
lucid scarab
My white whale in that regard is the Anphelion project book
paper bluff
I have 3 special edition books and I like the look of the leather ones far more than the pulp looking ones
lucid scarab
Would love to get a copy of the first edition
verbal ermine
solemn gull
That’s what the original one did so if you’re playing an uprising campaign you could tell the story of the original biologis who decided to play god
Bonus points if someone else plays an inquisition team
sweet solar
see what id be more like to do is create my own dark mechanicum tech priest, possibly masquarading as a mechanicus magos biologis, going beyond the bounds of worshipfull actions of the cult mechanicus by pushing her own research
perhaps a fallen tech priest, perhaps shes been kicking around since the split
paper bluff
Biologis always seems like the odd duck out with mechanicus disciplines. They would suggest something like "feeding and letting them sleep" for worker peak efficiency
solemn gull
I always imagined them being more “I’ve synthesized a drug to keep the flesh parts of servitors working longer” and then they pull out a canteen of mega coffee
solemn gull
see what id be more like to do is create my own dark mechanicum tech priest, pos...
That would be a pretty sick necromunda gang, if I was arbitrating a campaign I would let them take the resurrection package territory for their obligatory first turf card.
Who doesn’t love making a bargain with another player to graft a sentient archeotech to their spine that will slowly replace parts of them as they are injured until your prize champion goes mad and descends into the underhive!
finite compass
Halo Devices, my beloved
thin ibex
I dont think its about single biological entity efficiency, its about macro efficiency for many, because one of hte most plentiful resources in the imperium is human lives
so rather than "treating their workers well with good rest cycles and nutrition for maximal output" its "how to best get as much work out of them until they die"
solemn gull
To a Biologis humans are just meat machines
paper bluff
Organic mechanics
sweet solar
i mean, we are! just fantastically complex ones
there is no hard boundry between the gear, the ocean, the tree, a car, the human, their heart and anything else beyond comparative ones or our conceptual ones
this may be why I am drawn to magos biologis lmao, i have a biologis lead heresy mechanicum army too
in progress, but still
my magos is a aos Astreia Solbright i centaurified, her torso up replacing her mounts head, a magos biologis who has fused herself to a grox
paper bluff
Only model I've made a story for is the big knight o have
ebon forge
Heya I wanted painting tips.
Do you paint your models after assembling or piece by piece?
solemn gull
After assembly
pastel rampart
After assembly with an asterixis, which is dependent on the model in question.
Sometimes it's easier to paint a model then put their arms on, like old space marines.
finite compass
For my CSM, I typically leave off the weapons and backpack so I can paint the torso unobstructed
south axle
Partial assembly most of the time
finite compass
Honestly I've found bigger models easier to paint as mostly a single piece than most infantry
past sphinx
I'm to much of a lazy bastard to remember where all the sub assemblies are
thin ibex
I tend to paint after assembly because I want to be able to play with them before I finish painting them
upper bluff
I wish I painted my Skitarii before putting the arms on. So just use your best judgement
thin ibex
i also didn't mean necessarily play the wargame with, i also just like
play lil army men imaginary battles in my head with em
ebon forge
It is for a titan, thank u!
pulsar cairn
is Cawl a biologis? i ask cause i remember he is the one who made the funny bigger marines
upper bluff
Cawl is probably everything
Dudes like 10,000 years old he's had plenty of time to read
solemn gull
80% certain he has a dozen different brains stapled to his own
Cawl is a hivemind of different Magos and a man of iron
pulsar cairn
He's also a beeg weirdo
In his conversation with Bill he criticizes him for the amount of death he causes, but it aint like the admech care much about regular peeps
obsidian knoll
finite compass
He should really be talking to Malcador in that rather than Cawl, but still. 10/10
solemn gull
No one will ever compare to the GOAT Arkham Land
Probably the biggest contributor to the current imperium besides Cawl and he was a chill dude with a servo-monkey pet
desert jay
Per Lexicanum his rank is Archmagos Dominus
His direct mentor (and one of the minds merged into his) was also a Dominus
paper bluff
is Cawl a biologis? i ask cause i remember he is the one who made the funny bigg...
In the cawl vs Bile book it's revealed that ||one of the people that make up cawl is a biologists, literal actual scientist that worked under the emperor and that same Dr/ biologist taught Bile how to be a Dr to astartes ||
So yes kinda a biologis
But a liiiiiittle reductive
thin ibex
Hmm gonna make an armor list for guard, but need some kind of restriction to keep it interesting
runic swallow
No Lemen Russ, go for Armored Cav mobile infantry list
Ie focus it around chimeras or other transports
thin ibex
Oo ok, will do, missed that when I went for this
3 baneblade chassis to bring a plethora of guns to the field
The hellhammer is surprisingly not totally awful imo, in that it's main gun is great for horde killing and ignores cover, while still mounting 4 lascannons and a demolisher cannon
and ignores the -1 from being engaged in melee
thin ibex
No Lemen Russ, go for Armored Cav mobile infantry list
https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/itORs
Alternative view option
Anti tank is lacking maybe, but man there are a lot of wounds sitting at T9 on the board
Shift plan would be for the Warlord to sit in the chimera as long as possible
runic swallow
If it’s still got the expanded command aura thing, not a bad plan
tired cairn
They didn't update the datasheets with the new vect abilities 😦
thin ibex
for the record i couldnt screenshot the army list cause it was too long even for the tabloid setting, to fit on one page
mental birch
mental birch
is Cawl a biologis? i ask cause i remember he is the one who made the funny bigg...
He's ||like a thousand techpriests in a trench coat||
paper bluff
Well to borrow an idea from Bleach ||he's like a Menos Hollow. One personality dominating many others.|| thank goodness for his boundless arrogance
paper bluff
I should read more books with cawl as a character. I really enjoyed his parts in the cawl v Bile book
Anyone have recommendations?
paper bluff
Also he conned a CTan
He did the Con-ctan?!
pulsar cairn
His massive ego is kind of fun
Like the fricking A.I he made for guilliman who keeps asking to be made fabricator general
paper bluff
I knew he had it when his mind copy was congratulating himself for being a genius
paper bluff
You read the Great Work I presume?
I have not. A quick Google turned up the Spanish version on amazon?
unreal cosmos
Idea for tournament fluff: an ancient and slightly mad Eye of the Emperor has pitted representatives of different factions against each other to assess their potential threat level relative to Terra's defenses
thin ibex
how are the ogors in aos again?
are tehy pretty solid at a casual level?
and do they have a couple different play styles?
bright dove
They're nice and casual with some fun variety
thin ibex
been in a tw3 ogres campaign got me thinking about them
i dunno if id want to monster mash, rather I'd probably want to do a more... leadbelcher or ironblaster centric list. Maybe maneaters/ogor mercs
paper bluff
I love how ogres were the old one's ultimate creation but didn't get to make them a food source and that was their drawback
upper canopy
Ogres really are god's perfect creatures
paper bluff
thin ibex
Aos 3 is out now right? Anyone know if the online army builder data is updated?
jaunty dawn
yees
although
the points and regiment restrictions are out
for 4e
just not the rules till later this week
thin ibex
ah ok, wait so has play on tabletop doing spearhead, that's been 3e stuff?
jaunty dawn
no they just have preview materials
thin ibex
my first go
functional?
hmm i probably want some cav of some sort huh
redux
tyrant seems like a proper mean dude
do models in aos attack with every weapon on their sheet when possible?
honestly abit surprised that leadbelchers only do 1 damage
upper bluff
ah ok, wait so has play on tabletop doing spearhead, that's been 3e stuff?
The War scrolls for ogors in 4th will release Friday morning
Alongside the other destruction factions
Order was today, chaos tomorrow, death Thursday, destruction Friday
upper canopy
I won my one Ogre game by just buffing the hell out of a core group of ironguts
It was a grand time
floral herald
Ooh
thin ibex
ironguts seem like a rocksolid main unit
bright dove
Gnoblars are also fun tarpits.
bright dove
When they stand still they get plenty of dakka
3+ wound and Rend -1 means they can shred a lot of things.
lucid scarab
Rushing to finish my Flesh Eater Courts spearhead before Saturday so I can go to a AOS launch event.
The rest of the force (Morbheg knights and a few other things to finish still)
pale narwhal
Me and a good friend of mine have, after many years, decided to start playing 40k again. We stopped midway through 8e, and so going into our first game (Tau vs Nids) I’m incredibly rusty. Could I get some feedback on the following list? (My crisis suits are all in various states of broken due to bad storage hence the lack of them.)
upper canopy
upper canopy
ironguts seem like a rocksolid main unit
It was just the Tyrant and the Ironguts vs Slaaneshi Chosen
I just bowling balled them straight up the center
a withering hail of arrows and spears and spells
and then IT WAS ALL DOWN TO THE IRONGUTS
healiing through all of it, eating, munching
and then I got them nearly full strength and let them fight twice
thin ibex
honestly glorious
dense sedge
atypical deamons are great, wish we had more of them
solemn gull
Rushing to finish my Flesh Eater Courts spearhead before Saturday so I can go to...
Nice use of those Perry miniatures your stuff looks awesome I dig the banner too
tepid stratus
do models in aos attack with every weapon on their sheet when possible?
Yes unless otherwise stated on the warscroll
thin ibex
Goodyear does the army I posted work? Not accounting for how good it is, I feel like it's fully functional
Iiirc Maneaters are not super great?
tepid stratus
Iiirc Maneaters are not super great?
As they are now they're trash but it's all up in the air until Friday when the destruction indexes drop
In general it's pretty standard although you'll usually see a stone horn instead of mournfang for your mobility piece
With units and drop count being tied to hero choices now tho you'll want to be mindful of how many heroes you run. As is your list is a 3 drop
lucid scarab
Nice use of those Perry miniatures your stuff looks awesome I dig the banner too
Thanks! Yeah that Perry Agincourt kits fucks
thin ibex
As they are now they're trash but it's all up in the air until Friday when the d...
I've got kind of an untrained eye, what makes them trash?
tepid stratus
I've got kind of an untrained eye, what makes them trash?
Cost per model your other infantry options outclass them in damage and survivability while also having better buff options
thin ibex
Gotcha, I saw that they had range and melee and could potentially access a 2+ to wound and was like ooo
Also I laughed at them having shurikens
I'd probably rock at least 1 squad just for the comedy even knowing they're bad. But hey maybe they'll get a points buff in the index
pastel rampart
bright dove
Yessssss
paper bluff
ahahaha I got a lore xenos check about slaanesh in rouge trader and it gave me to most appropriate amounf of experience
69
uneven ember
nice
paper bluff
dense sedge
is there any way to view the current point costs of AoS stuff in 4e?
upper bluff
is there any way to view the current point costs of AoS stuff in 4e?
Yeah there's a post on community from Monday with all the points
It revealed that most of the spear heads are like 600+ points
The ogor one is 980
upper bluff
Agreed it almost makes Warhammer look affordable lol
dense sedge
I have too much stuff unpainted and in progress
like, I do want to pick up some drukhari stuff when the next book comes up (holefully that will be in a while), and I also want some upcoming MCP stuff (man-thing/elsa bloodstone and tomb of dracula characters). Even if a lot of Hedonittes stuff looks cool, body horror and cloth/robes are my favorite things to paint, I'm usually a tzeentch fan but I don't like their mortal unit
thin ibex
Ogor spearhead seems like a cool way to start a list
So you can pretty much make a duardin army with the cities now huh
uneven ember
desert jay
I like Corax
solemn gull
Does this mean Curze does?
cinder wraith
yeah idk why
solemn gull
After a google search it’s tragic to find out goblincore doesn’t mean being a small green man who lives in a cave
quaint compass
But it is inspired by said goblin's behavior
paper bluff
but corax doesnt give me trans vibes
It's also the name fluidity that gives konrad/nighthaunter trans vibes i imagine
jaunty dawn
The ability to see the future
paper bluff
Double jumping and air dash
deft crest
https://vxtwitter.com/Scabrosa/status/1811084268946477281
🎵 Sekai de ichiban ohimesama!~ 🎵
solemn gull
But it is inspired by said goblin's behavior
Shivving adventurers and losing your fingers to your pet rats?
quaint compass
Also grabbing shiny things and ferreting them away to your hovel
solemn gull
Kobold activities
tired cairn
(we don't allow warcrime jokes in this server)
thin ibex
man, how much would it suck to be a chaos cultists orchestrating the insurrection on the planet at the same time as a progressing genestealer cult infestation; culminating in the Ascension Day happening at the same time as the CSM arrive. What a disaster for everyone
also question, how long have maulerfiends and the ranged one been chaos staples? I think im dawn of war pilled cause they always seem seperate to me
thin ibex
i suspect my love for the defiler is dawn of war vibes
tired cairn
Oh, so the changes to vect like abilities actually made the swarmlord stronger. I forgot it was once a game previously
paper bluff
Is vect in legends?
paper bluff
I heard he was a dark muse or something now. Which wasn't very clear what that means
tired cairn
Someone likes to paint him like their Aeldari girls? But like, with more BDSM motifs
paper bluff
Well BDSM in the hellraiser way
desert jay
From #technical-discussion
But for hardcore tourney players, a new list every three months is comparable to travel expenses
zinc field
thin ibex
As far as I know, most hard-core tourney players have extensive collections already
floral herald
Or will have them quickly
desert jay
AIUI there's still a fair amount of churn still b/c not room for Every Model Ever plus sometimes they get into/out of armies entirely
thin ibex
tbh, i think theres some overlap there with hard core tourney players and deep meta chasers, and honestly? I don't really have much sympathy for big meta chasers; its on them for wanting to change to the "best" army at any given time, despite the temporal nature of "best"
mental birch
I mean there's the churn of shifting your faction towards the most effective build
lucid scarab
Crazy that some people have the ability to churn armies with how expensive GW is
But hey that’s cool for them if that’s what they’re coming to the game for 🙂
soft willow
I mean a lot of it is secondhand market, and not full MSRP.
But also many people who are doing this this is like their whole life.
Plus if you flip your old army while the hype is still hot on it it helps.
paper bluff
I wonder if there is a cost analysis of going meta in MTG vs W40k
Or even long term costs of those hobbies
soft willow
I mean a hobby is a hole you throw money/time into in the hopes of getting joy out of it.
Even hobbies that could ostensibly be "free" can become quite expensive if you're chasing after the current fad.
I think it's more noticeable to folks in things like the minis or MTG worlds rather than like whittling or skateboarding or whatever.
paper bluff
I feel like 40k has more playing for fun than playing to win
soft willow
Honestly a lot of people just buy the models.
still warren
also depends hugely on what format for magic you want to go meta in
soft willow
500, or 500k are both possible numbers.
solemn gull
Honestly a lot of people just buy the models.
Always pick models over their stats, you will get a lot more joy in fielding a model you loved painting and looking at then a model you hate but is the meta
rocky shale
I spend about as much on 40k as I did mtg, but 40k gives me more hobby time then the amount of time I actually spent playing mtg
thin ibex
In general, on the spectrum, i favor regular updates to rules and meta over stagnation to allow tournament players who want the best to not have to buy new things
like if you're playing competetively, and feel the need to chase whatevers good right now, spending money on that stuff is the breaks
paper bluff
I am a faction man, I like a faction and build it up. no meta chasing
pale narwhal
Had my first game of 10e today, myself playing tau vs nids.
Undisputed MVPs of the match were my two railgun hammerheads. Of six shots they took, all hit and four procced Devastating Wounds (two of these then proceeded to roll max damage)
Very streamlined compared to older editions (a part of me misses all the complexity tbh). Good fun.
pulsar cairn
i wonder if the imperium navy has sea shanties
or rather space shanties
i know the ork pirates do
paper bluff
'Ere we go 'ere we go just repeated for ever i imagine
pulsar cairn
pastel rampart
Twitter
paper bluff
You ever think it's funny that humanity is kinda the kuo-toa of 40k
pulsar cairn
that looks like a kriegsman mixed with a armaggedon guy
pastel rampart
That's a steel legion guy, some of them have skull masks.
paper bluff
Interesting if the 2 were ever deployed together and a combo trench culture emerges
junior robin
iirc steel legion is more about transports then trenches
pulsar cairn
btw
Kriegsman commissars are given masks so they fit in right?
are commissars from outside the regiment just so they have no problem shooting people?
jaunty dawn
partially
it's so they're from outside the regiments like culture and power relationships
their job is to make sure the regiments stay up to imperial code, and so they all come from a centralised interpretation of what that code is
delivered by the schola
pulsar cairn
right, i feel like that can backfire a bit when it comes to regiments that are sent to fight in very harsh envrioments
The soldiers will be used to harsh conditions but not the beeg hat man
jaunty dawn
somewhat but commissars are highly trained
and given posting specific training too
but that can't really compete with living and breathing a particular environment no
pulsar cairn
they dont feel all that necessary
upper bluff
Yeah but the imperium is too paranoid to not have them
pulsar cairn
fair
thin ibex
If I'm set on using deop pods what's the ideal Detachment? I'm thinking forestorm
pulsar cairn
Whats a deop pod? 
thin ibex
Since you can't charge out of the pod, might as well be strong shooting
thin ibex
Whats a deop pod? <:vicksyAww:1191819830714703922>
A typo xD, I meant drop pod
pulsar cairn
Oh 
uneven ember
<:vicksySip:996566522828968088> right, i feel like that can backfire a bit when ...
It can depend, yeah.
Back in the day Catachans used to have a special rule like "for every Commissar in your list, before you deploy, roll to see if hiis subordinates fragged him before he got to the table."
pulsar cairn
lmao
thin ibex
commissars used to have a bigger sense of presence in guard armies
narratively to kind of represent the guard's and imperiums draconian thought police
they're significantly less useful and relevant on the tabletop now, and i dont see a lot of media featuring them
junior summit
<:vicksyHmm:996566512431288390> they dont feel all that necessary
Commissars are supposed to be there to 1. Ensure unit loyalty and 2. To boost or at least backstop morale. For the first goal, commissars have extremely broad command authority and are (initially) outsiders to their regiment, so they're able to offer an "unbiased" perspective for investigations, etc on top of being able to shoot traitors. For the latter, that's what the big hat, distinctive coat, field executions for cowardice, and bombastic speeches are for, to keep the guardsmen going.
Also why commissars are supposed to lead from the front by example, being again extremely obvious
In practice....mixed results
uneven ember
commissars used to have a bigger sense of presence in guard armies
way back they were the only HQ unit in Guard armies, on the assumption that the officers weren't meant to be involved in the frontline fighting.
tired cairn
When did Guard get the orders system?
paper bluff
Fun lore; commisars for the death corp are there to make sure they don't waste their lives
upper canopy
Also fun lore:
The first mention of Krieg Commissars are because the Krieg killed their Commissars to rout away from the enemy.
junior summit
Gaunt's Ghosts question: I haven't caught up to warmaster/anarch etc. Are they worth reading?
uneven ember
<:vicksyThink:996566524225663086> are commissars from outside the regiment just...
& just to give a bit of a note on this
A lot of empires have, historically, made sure that they have members of different subordinate/peripheral groups overseeing each other, to try and keep the power from coalescing locally.
Like, the Romans would have their non-Roman auxilia overseeing subject populations, but they wouldn't have them overseeing their own subject populations. Have Syrians stationed in Gaul, Gauls stationed in Africa, and Africans stationed in Syria kind of thing.
Because if you try to have Gauls stationed in Gaul, if the Gauls revolt against Rome it's entirely possible your auxillia is fighting on their side instead of Rome.
Since the Imperium is such a completely fragmented decentralized badly-coordinated mess, and since the regiments are all drawn from a single world and lead and organized according to that world's customs, the Comissars are there to hopefully make sure this is an army of the Imperium of Mankind and not the Planetary Governor's personal army.
pulsar cairn
finite compass
This also applies to Arbites
They're Progenium-trained, so they're essentially never actually from the world they're assigned to
jaunty dawn
which is also why arbites are more like, federal troops than beat cops
theoretically
finite compass
Yep.
They're there to enforce Imperial law. Not local law.
Local Enforcers are as varied as guard regiments
And can be anything from Noire Detective In Space (any given Dan Abnett novel) to Conscripted as children to instill absolute loyalty to the planetary governor/ruling house (Necromunda)
thin ibex
their precincts are also fortresses cause they are fully prepared to go to battle with like anything
finite compass
To the point where the precincts are often the last holdouts in a planetary uprising
uneven ember
Yeah, the Scholia Progenium are there to get you a nice crop of people brainwashed from birth to be "Imperial" first and last rather than Necromundian, or Vorastryian, or whatever.
But of course the different Scholia are also isolated and established institutions so they wind up with their own divergences.
pulsar cairn
instead of owl you have those weird baby looking thingies
who i rather not think too hard about
solemn gull
Cherubs are really useless
jaunty dawn
(but it's apocryphal SAS rules)
solemn gull
I mean why go through the process of cloning mutant baby things when you can just grab a skull and stick hover tech in it
They both usually carry the same sort of stuff
jaunty dawn
it's for the vibes
doylist and watsonian
although also I think cherubs are more independent than most servo skulls
tired cairn
Are the Scholia Progenium all on Terra or do they have campuses all over the place?
jaunty dawn
all over the place
apparently there are evil cherubs in one of the word bearer books
called cherubiox
they're skeletal and have stinkier incense
tired cairn
I wonder if chaos space marines ever ask themselves if they could make a more pleasant version of something
jaunty dawn
wb also sometimes are depicted with black purity seals haha
they are very much committed to the aesthetic
upper bluff
I wonder if chaos space marines ever ask themselves if they could make a more pl...
Instructions unclear: put skin on a servoskull
solemn gull
There are two types of heretic Astartes:
1: Over the top rebellious faze drama queens
2: Renegades that think everyone is stupid and just want to fuck off to be space pirates
jaunty dawn
you just said the same thing twice
solemn gull
I think the type 1 overcompensate too much
Like do you really need rusty spikes on everything to show you like chaos? Half the imperials and xenos do that too!
pulsar cairn
i was about to ask if there were renegades who werent chaosy and then i remembered that night lords and iron warriors dont like to depend on demons n shit
pulsar cairn
tell me more
jaunty dawn
from heresy era blackshields to stuff like the ashen claws
floral herald
they're significantly less useful and relevant on the tabletop now, and i dont s...
Yeah they used to be super important because IG had dogshit Ld for most squads and Commissars gave Ld 9 (Ld 10 for Lord Commissars) and immunity to negative Ld
Which helped your tarpits work HUGELY
pulsar cairn
ashen claws sound badass
jaunty dawn
they also increased the leadership of officers which was then propagated through chain of command
pulsar cairn
"The Emperor consigned us to the care of a tyrant who sought to see us dead and forgotten; now the Raven Lord himself is dead, we care not to see the collar of servitude clasped around our necks once more, neither in service to the turncoat Warmaster or a failed empire"
solemn gull
I have immense respect for everyone in 40k who looks in a mirror and decides to just peace out away from all the insane shit
uneven ember
There are two types of heretic Astartes:
1: Over the top rebellious faze drama ...
I'm trying to find that photoshop that has, like
Perturabo, Abbadon, Huron, Fabius, and Alpharion? I think?
anyway they're all sitting there thinking about how "man, it sure is crazy how I'm the only one able to use the power of Chaos to my own ends while everyone else is a deluded slave to the Dark Gods"
solemn gull
It’s been posted here like 8 times in the past week
Just #1161696278640594954 and check links/screenshots
raw vessel
I'm trying to find that photoshop that has, like
Perturabo, Abbadon, Huron, Fabi...
#1161696278640594954 message
I'm the one that actually made it and it's been fun seeing it spread, I even saw it pop up in an non-Warhammer server I'm in.
uneven ember
oh nice!
floral herald
Looking at getting into war cry what are some fun warbands?
jaunty dawn
hmmm
hard to say really
the made for warcry stuff is often fairly interesting
especially more recently
floral herald
I’m an easy sell
jaunty dawn
darkoath savagers have a neat thing where if you call your shot as a double and kill something that turn you fulfil your vow and get a bonus for the rest of the battle
solemn gull
Looking at getting into war cry what are some fun warbands?
The Iron Golems
Hammer hands
floral herald
Just trying to pare down my choices
solemn gull
You hit strong
jaunty dawn
honestly just a lot of variety in warcry but less differentiation
solemn gull
Did I mention your hands are hammers
(This is only one character but come on it’s awesome)
floral herald
Sounds sick
jaunty dawn
iron golems are really cool
solemn gull
jaunty dawn
my partner plays scions of the flame and theyre fun
pulsar cairn
irom golems? are those from fantasy/ AoS?
jaunty dawn
you get a flamethrower priest and a guy who sets himself on fire
and two straightforward bruisers who just fuck shit up
floral herald
My girlfriend just bought vulkan forge breakers or whatever they’re called
solemn gull
irom golems? are those from fantasy/ AoS?
Warcry is a AoS skirmish game where you play the mortal cultists in chaosland
jaunty dawn
the fyreslayer one?
floral herald
Yeah
jaunty dawn
well now 2e plot is general ppl fighting in the gnarloak woods over the ruins of a crashed lizardmen spaceship
floral herald
How are the questor soulsworn?
jaunty dawn
im waiting on twistweald both for sylvaneth warband and for spite revenant variety bits
finite compass
NGL, I fucking love the sheer variety in WarCry chaos warbands.
jaunty dawn
soulsworn's reaction is cool, if they die with actions left they give an action to an ally
which helps a lot with low model count stormcast stuff
thin ibex
can you field the golems as a normal unit for a faciton
pulsar cairn
Warcry is a AoS skirmish game where you play the mortal cultists in chaosland
tell me about chaosland
jaunty dawn
in 4e theyve gone to legends
but theyre part of slaves to darkness
(basically cause there was like 10 different cultist units in the tome and then darkoath got fully released)
im excited about wildercorp but have yet to use mine. their thing is just many dog
solemn gull
tell me about chaosland
Big tower where people fight to get chosen to join the everchosen’s army. Inside sub-dimension called the eightpoint. Most of the game takes place in the shithole desert outside the tower called the bloodwind spoils.
pastel rampart
pastel rampart
Workin' on them chaos warriors.
pulsar cairn
short king the first one
pastel rampart
Hit'em with the Grimdark Button™️ (aka oil washes) which is honestly just skill in a bottle.
pastel rampart
short king the first one
Classic 5e/6e WHFB chaos warriors were built different.
pulsar cairn
he's my favorite
pastel rampart
I got at least 30 of these dudes to paint
Pulled one of the halberd dudes out to show how much GRIMDARK it becomes after an oil wash
solemn gull
Classic 5e/6e WHFB chaos warriors were built different.
Is it lead or resin?
pastel rampart
Plastic!
There's some bits that are pewter though. Banners, instruments, and champion weapon/head were pewter, but still overwhelmingly plastic.
solemn gull
I adore the older derpy models
Like modern gorgeous micro-sculptures are cool but a squat little powerstancing dude with hands the size of his head is the cutest thing ever
floral herald
I… I think I got cheap knockoffs of that chaos warrior from my dad when I was a kid
pastel rampart
Like modern gorgeous micro-sculptures are cool but a squat little powerstancing ...
The great thing about the older models is how modular it all was. Legs, torso, arms, heads--all separate and swappable with other kits.
Could really get some wild conversions going that is more difficult to do nowadays. Granted, new GW kits look great but like you said, they're micro-sculptures.
lucid scarab
My speed bashing Flesh Eater Courts force is primed and everything has a little paint on it. Nothings finished, but good enough to learn to play spearhead at a launch event tomorrow
mental birch
Crazy that some people have the ability to churn armies with how expensive GW is
when I say churn I mean like
Oh I'm playing this army and pivoting towards more infantry
thin ibex
I… I think I got cheap knockoffs of that chaos warrior from my dad when I was a ...
do they have charm?
thin ibex
hmm someone got a 40k or aos faction + army theme for me to mess about with?
floral herald
do they have charm?
I don’t have em any more unfortunately
paper bluff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1261487631439761490/GS...
I am reminded of this
jaunty dawn
skavens tided 😋
cinder wraith
wat
floral herald
There was a deleted post there I think
thin ibex
ohhh
gotcha
im getting more and more tempted to buy like a starter box, like th spearhead, for ogors
floral herald
I'm pretty tempted by the Darkoath boxes
There's like 5 million of them in stores around me
thin ibex
i also cant decide if i want to get into aos though, and if i did, if i wanted to do ogors, daemons, or seraphon
floral herald
Darkoath, Hedonites or FEC for me
white mural
still warren
The forbiden bi-sexual cocktail
unreal cosmos
pulsar cairn
i like that the lamenters are popular
good lads
or at least as good as you can be in 40k
solemn gull
I like when successor chapters get any attention
pulsar cairn
sad lads but very well loved
solemn gull
Don’t most marines hate them in canon?
They were on the losing side of the badab war after all
pastel rampart
They have bad luck overall. I don't think most marines hate them that much, they went on a penance crusade.
pulsar cairn
they are seen as cursed
cause they are part of the cursed founding
most of the ones who were part of that founding went traitor or had some weird mutations
so yeah...other chapters usually have a problem with them due to that
it's very unfair
jaunty dawn
A badab war style event where neither alliance has the backing of the larger imperium would be pretty interesting
Like same deal of a conflict pulling in alliegances through defense pacts and the demands of honour
But the imperium is just like uhhhhhh we're just gonna wait and see who wins by the time they find out about it
finite compass
The only chapter that got the full Excommunication treatment for the Badab War were the Astral Claws/Red Corsairs
Everybody else on the rebel side was basically told
'100 year Penitent Crusade, and you're good'
Mainly because before Chaos Fuckery happened, the Astral Claws had enough of a point that backing them seemed like a decent idea
jaunty dawn
Marines also just get away with a lot regularly if they do a penitent crusade
Like how the sons of medusa were founded in the first place
finite compass
Prestige also counts for a lot.
The Space Wolves being First Founding and thus able to get away with open warfare against the Inquisition
Though half of that was like
"Okay, so the head Inquisitor just got the fuck murdered out of him by Logan Grimnar and both his successor and the head of the Grey Knights who are with us agree that he was a jackass for escalating to this point to begin with, so how about we just call it even?"
pine matrix
But the imperium is just like uhhhhhh we're just gonna wait and see who wins by ...
You could set it in the Imperium Nihilus, two loyal Imperium factions but they're beefing and have no backup forthcoming or outside high-ranks to weigh in
solemn gull
The only chapter that got the full Excommunication treatment for the Badab War w...
Right but chapters like the minotaurs, space wolves, black templars, carcharadons, etc still hate them
The mantis warriors are in the same boat of “we chose the wrong side and got brutalized. Other chapters hold that over us and even still carry some of our armour as trophies.”
solemn gull
Prestige also counts for a lot.
Poor Celestial Lions didn’t have enough MVP awards 🙏
finite compass
TBF, being hated by the Minotaurs and Carcharadons would be sort of less of an issue
Given how everybody else already hates the Minotaurs and Carcharadons. 😛
solemn gull
The minotaurs are the personal deathsquad of the high lords of terra. They are probably the biggest boogeyman the administratum can send.
thin ibex
BT and Minotaurs are professional haters, mino's just love fighting space marines specifically, doesn't matter if they're chaos or imperial
being hated by the BT or Mino's isn't a high bar
solemn gull
I like how minotaurs are trained to specifically kill space marines, not heretic space marines but just normal standard boltgun and power armour marines
finite compass
And Carcharadons just have the reputation of "Dude, I don't care, I'm going to wreck your planet, steal your aspirants, and then kill you."
pulsar cairn
i'll say tho
at least the minotaurs spared the lamenters 
cause i heard they dont usually do that
plucky token
BFG... 👀
thin ibex
upper bluff
That's a lot of lead
bright dove
G U N
white mural
I think Kholek has become my favorite campaign in total warhammer
pulsar cairn
pine matrix
I think Kholek has become my favorite campaign in total warhammer
Big Lad Winter!!
white mural
Having to fight Tamurkhan immediately has made his start a lot more interesting as wel!
pine matrix
I think I beat my first Chaos Campaign in the first game with him. Loads of fun kicking the realms into dust
That does sound cool!
finite compass
I'm boring
So my favorite campaign is probably still Vlad
Or Izzy
I want to like Dark Elves but I can't get the hang of them
It really doesnt' help that much fo the DE campaign seems to be "Fight off marauder invasion. Fight off marauder invasion. Finally get everything in place to attack Ulthuan. Waste all the preparation becuase you have to use those forces to fight off yet another godsdamned marauder invasion"
white mural
I love Vlad and Izzy
Izzy a bit more cause I simp
I think they should’ve made Vlad hot
finite compass
Have they fixed Karl Franz's start yet?
It always sort of amused me that they hold up that as the beginner one when you're dealing with Kazrak and Festus from day 1
white mural
Also the elector count mechanic is not for beginners
jaunty dawn
I couldn't get proper into tww because rts makes my brain hurt but I liked Vlad and Izzy too
pastel rampart
desert jay
BTW if you wanna see that chart in full: http://gaming.kylebb.com/hhtimeline/
pine matrix
Extremely tempted by these Old World dwarven models...
unreal cosmos
Older models have been withdrawn from the front lines to safeguard my cubicle.
Older in terms of my painting career, that is.
solemn gull
There should be a heretical techpriest who modifies STCs to include a stock on weapons
cinder wraith
floral herald
I think both of them would do pretty well in this swap
solemn gull
Kingpin would probably be happier with the drukhari
bright dove
Those Deldar are getting clowned on so hard
floral herald
Those Deldar are getting clowned on so hard
Look if there’s one thing Peter Parker does a lot it’s suffer so I think they’ll do well
solemn gull
Kingpin can probably broker a good deal with the drukhari
They are less of a loose canon then venom
upper canopy
Peter Parker trying to be fun and jokey before a Deldar just lops the head off a random pedestrian during the chase and he's like "OH! OH NO! I HAVE TO KILL THESE GUYS LIKE RIGHT NOW"
bright dove
Look if there’s one thing Peter Parker does a lot it’s suffer so I think they’ll...
The only thing he does better is win despite his suffering.
upper canopy
"I didn't think Kingpin was hiring the Coneheads now! What, SNL cancel your-oh no oh holy shit guys what the hell"
paper bluff
There should be a heretical techpriest who modifies STCs to include a stock on w...
Jokes aside Cawl literally admits to making copies of STC fragments and adding stuff to them to figure them out
upper canopy
Cawl Cannot Stop Doing Tech Heresy
dense sedge
so that's fun, you can either be a normal necromunda gang who replaces their special guys with malstrains, or a full malstrain gang
upper bluff
And that's why we love them
upper bluff
so that's fun, you can either be a normal necromunda gang who replaces their spe...
Oh that's cool
arctic lynx
Cawl Cannot Stop Doing Tech Heresy
Cawl's not a heretek, he has a permit
paper bluff
It reads "We I can do whatever I want"
solemn gull
It is very funny to me how lasguns which have no kickback come with stocks but boltguns are stockless
arctic lynx
Boltguns are also often paired with power armour that comes with recoil compensation.
Meanwhile 40k's lore it all over the place but they love giving their lasers recoil
upper canopy
Because as Darktide points out
pine matrix
so that's fun, you can either be a normal necromunda gang who replaces their spe...
Oooo neat
upper canopy
not having recoil actually makes a gun seem like it fucking sucks
pulsar cairn
what do you call the emplacement bolter again? Heavy bolter?
pulsar cairn
Cool
arctic lynx
not having recoil actually makes a gun seem like it fucking sucks
Yep, it's more satisfying visually.
Though it's also just really common in writing, enough writers wrote it kicking and it just kind of stuck.
pine matrix
"I didn't think Kingpin was hiring the Coneheads now! What, SNL cancel your-oh n...
Alternatively, DEldar realise they're unable to do ultraviolence because they're in a Marvel comic book and start to wither away
solemn gull
not having recoil actually makes a gun seem like it fucking sucks
To a fps player yeah but a gun with no recoil would be so useful for maintaining accuracy
upper canopy
I think it's way funnier if the Imperial Guard complained about it
So they ALSO IN-UNIVERSE added recoil
solemn gull
I doubt the soldiers would ask for their guns to kick and be less accurate
upper canopy
You'd be surprised
tired cairn
Maybe the Lasguns the Imperium uses these days used to be a high end recreational model, and all the clientele wanted kick added. Kind of like how some sports cars pipe-in or play artificial engine noises to make the car sound faster
solemn gull
I don’t know why people are defending the lasgun kick
upper canopy
Because it's very in-style for the Imperium to make their weapons worse on purpose for a very silly reason
arctic lynx
There's a few mentioned reasons for the kick if I recall correctly.
Rapidly flash-expanded air from the laser, some technoblabble to do with photons, and "because guns have recoil" being some of the reasons stated in different novels.
bright dove
I would buy that first one
arctic lynx
I don’t know why people are defending the lasgun kick
It's funny to imagine them having it as a simulation setting that they can't turn off because nobody knows how (I think Ciaphas Cain novels imply that at one point but it's been a long time and I can't remember).
But also it's just kind of acknowledging that Lasguns do have recoil for whatever reason. At least in the majority of depictions.
quaint compass
I would buy that first one
It's basically a long explosion when you think about it
bright dove
Yup!
Lasguns are also not realistic laser weapons anyways
In that you aren't just producing a steady beam
arctic lynx
The pressure difference/expanding gas is imo the best explanation for Lasgun recoil.
Though it's worth noting that as with everything 40k it's not consistent.
For every 19 books where the guardsman has to brace his long las to account for recoil, a single book has someone call out the lack of recoil as a plus for the lasgun
bright dove
My favorite lasgun plus is being able to throw cells in a fire to recharge them in a pinch
quaint compass
When you don't have time to sun them
arctic lynx
I like the ability to rig them to explode with the impact of a krak grenade
bright dove
Also great!
arctic lynx
Don't tell the techpriest
bright dove
Never
arctic lynx
And of course sometimes despite the insane logistical efficiency of the Lasgun, the administratum ships everyone power packs with the wrong output/connection ports.
And the regiment is sad.
arctic lynx
Lots of attachment compatibility as well.
I also took the variable setting from Only War and let my acolytes use that with higher quality Lasguns.
It's frightening how much damage a Lasgun at the highest power setting with an overcharge/hot-shot pack can do.
arctic lynx
And if that don't work-work, use more Ratling Gun
cinder wraith
this + elthwins thorns regiment of renown
finite compass
It is very funny to me how lasguns which have no kickback come with stocks but b...
I think the reason of this, at least by trying to sketch stuff.
Is that if a Space Marine brings the bolter up to your standard 'fire gun from the shoulder' pose, it braces against his shoulder pad
pulsar cairn
Is the shotgun bolter from boltgun a thing?
quaint compass
There's astartes shotguns, for space marines, but they're not really boltguns
Just shotgun made big
finite compass
The closest thing I can think of is there is specialized Frag ammunition
Which is basically a proximity-detonated airburst
3e my beloved
thin ibex
i wish astartes shotguns were more common rn on the tabletop
i think the scouts are the only major shotgunners on the astartes list
reivers with shotguns would be sick
unreal cosmos
There's a shocking lack of shotguns in such a rule-of-cool military game
Also yeah, sometimes I think the Phobos squads would be better with the old scout guns
thin ibex
i do get it a LITTLE bit, they often didn't fill a role once assault was more commonplace
but still
there are other rules you could give it, or niches to carve out for the shotgun
unreal cosmos
Seems good for orks
thin ibex
Could make em d3 torrent weapons. Could give em sustained hits. Or heck, blast
unreal cosmos
Torrent seems plausible, partially because I'm thinking of their overwatch potential in Lancer
maybe torrent but ONLY on overwatch...
floral herald
Is the shotgun bolter from boltgun a thing?
Yes it’s lifted directly from a Deathwatch Kill Team kit
finite compass
Yeah, but it's not a bolter. It's literally just a very very big shotgun
floral herald
Yeah but like... its the shotgun from Boltgun
floral herald
aiui yes
It's a single player shooter though so its not gonna have much happening besides release hype
pulsar cairn
cool shotgun
still warren
huh playable build of space marine 2 leaked and it's pretty well optimized it looks like
still warren
floral herald
Haha neat I have a 1070 ti
tardy vault
also, we are still months out
they are definitely not done doing optimization passes
solemn gull
Hyped AAA game not borked at launch?!
floral herald
They did delay it 6 months
past sphinx
kinda suprised Iron warriors never got a dreadnaught HQ
finite compass
In the lore at least there was at least one Dreadnaught Warsmith
runic swallow
I have created a custom magnetic case, I’m rather proud of it even if it’s very simple
Might show a picture once the glue on the minis’ bases stop off-gassing so I don’t get that white-frosted stuff
paper bluff
kinda suprised Iron warriors never got a dreadnaught HQ
If they did, that bitch would be kitbashed because I do not like the hellbrute model
runic swallow
What about just an angry bastard in a Leviathan or other old Heresy era dread?
God I love the Leviathan
Big chunky motherfucker with a weeks worth of firepower
finite compass
I miss the old Box Dreads
This is so much cooler than a Hellbrute
Just saying
paper bluff
finite compass
Nice
pastel rampart
Best part of that model was how it was all pewter and made for an impromptu weapon if put in a sock and swung around.
rocky shale
Damn, just skimming the new AoS 4th ed rules its kinda sad how much better designed it is than 10th ed 40k
How can 2 groups at the same company just not be sharing notes
dense sedge
assembled some of my broodbrothers today
some didn't turn out well though, the one wiht a grenade launcher ended up on a walking body and it looks bad because of how low they hold it
thin ibex
Quick any from my brothers "votann, deep strike" prompt
balmy wave
How can 2 groups at the same company just not be sharing notes
the 40K team are sharing notes with the AoS team
it's called releasing a year earlier
desert jay
The games are also large enough that we're pretty sure it's teams (plural) for each
jaunty dawn
Tbh I'm pretty sure they do share notes the 40k team is just worse at implementing them
desert jay
There's been some suspicion/rumor too that the 10e launch was a little rushed to meet schedule and got less polish
tired cairn
Was 10th 40k considered better than 3rd AoS?
solemn gull
Same
jaunty dawn
Was 10th 40k considered better than 3rd AoS?
Don't think so
sweet solar
could also be a command squad/tactician kind of unit, looks like probably imperial?
i saw a rumour/leak that the upcoming kill team would be astra militarum v tau, could definitly be an astra militarum thing
pale narwhal
Def looks imperial. Could also be admech, maybe on a servoskull or something?
paper bluff
It's a hololith
jaunty dawn
yeah I imagine it being part of a kill team and referencing the terrain for season
solemn gull
I think that’s a very good guess
Probably going to be more “imperials exploring necron tomb”
south axle
Looks very much like the old Fortress of Redemption
floral herald
My guess is a part kind of like the “holo table terrain” piece in the Exaction Squad v Hand of the Archon box
Which might be a clue towards the kind of terrain for the next KT season
thin ibex
it looks like its for some sort of investigation
maybe it s part of a larger models base
pulsar cairn
can you run chaos dreadnoughts or only hellbrutes?
paper bluff
Only Hellbrutes
thin ibex
as far as the tabletop is concerned, the hellbrutes ARE the chaos dreads
even if narratively, chaos dreads are a seperate thing
past sphinx
Working on this iron Chad right now
jaunty dawn
legends still has the horus heresy dreads technically
spearhead fun
3" exclusion range for combat makes the small board work a lot better than you'd think at first
tired cairn
AoS added a stack? Wild
pulsar cairn
can you pretend your box dread is a hellbrute?
cinder wraith
might be teasing upcoming kill team terrain
terrain is a refrence to an old OOP terrain btw
fortress of redemption
bright dove
Yeeeee, love that terrain!
jaunty dawn
ohhh yeah so it is
I mean if they brought that back for kill team I wouldn't complain but not very likely haha
cinder wraith
too big for KT imo
pulsar cairn
same base and such
cool
paper bluff
I use a contemptor as a hellbrute
I got a recast of this guy to be my WE dreadnought. Just sanded away the markings
pastel rampart
"They give me red gushers candy :) "
tepid stratus
"They give me red gushers candy :) "
"sir those are children"
That may have been too dark a joke
tepid stratus
someone throw me a list theme
Brain bug beatdown
paper bluff
Big beasties
paper bluff
mhara gal that gets lost and adopted by a world eater warband
Basically an Eightbound in a dreadnought minus 7 demons
thin ibex
Brain bug beatdown
thin ibex
whats more iconic, bolt pistol + chainsword or bolt pistol + power sword?
pastel rampart
Yeah chain sword, power sword only if it's paired with a plasma pistol.
jaunty dawn
yeah
pastel rampart
(which was never a good option lmao)
soft willow
Bolt pistol and sanctified power Klaw.
jaunty dawn
finished building skaventide and I have no idea why the two in the back where given such similar poses
like they don't share parts or anything
in fact the only repeated sprues are the 5 liberator and 20 clan rats sprues which is really cool
mental birch
I have made the dumbest list
Thin Red Line (1000 points)
ARMY
Grand Alliance Order
Cities of Sigmar
Ironweld Guild Army
2000 Points Limit
Drops: 1
Regiments
General's Regiment
Freeguild Marshal and Relic Envoy (130)
• General
• Brazier of Holy Flame
• Master of Ballistics
• 1x Duelling Pistols and Silvered Shortsword
Freeguild Command Corps (190)
Freeguild Fusiliers (240)
• Reinforced
Freeguild Fusiliers (240)
• Reinforced
Freeguild Steelhelms (200)
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dense sedge
Hedonites temptation dice look fun
uneven ember
even if narratively, chaos dreads are a seperate thing
Wait what's the narrative difference between hellbrutes and dreds
jaunty dawn
helbrutes are corrupted to the point of torture
but there are like, traditional dreads that happen to be chaos marines
it's not quite possession cause there's no daemon involved but it's kinda close?
warp talon maybe
being put in a helbrute is a horrible punishment while being interred in one of the few surviving functional dreadnoughts is a rare opportunity
dense sedge
Dreadnaught is a reward hellbrute is a punishment
finite compass
Ones that remain sane tend to have something going for them to focus them.
Like the aforementioned Iron Warriors one being a Warsmith and retaining his power and authority
The one in the Word Bearers books literally having his faith (in Chaos) sustain him.
And Malcharion in the Night Lords books being essentially the guy who bothered to write down and codify their entire philosophy
finite compass
pulsar cairn
Why portuguese
finite compass
Why not portuguese?
sour sequoia
Going to baby’s first tourney this saturday as I speedpaint 36 models and half a monolith
The team is
Necrons (me)
Nurgle Daemons
Nurgle CSM
Death Guard
This dynasty is so fucking lost
Never ask a chronomancer for directions
pulsar cairn
Are nurgle demons also tanky?
mental birch
Don't know bout aos
But 40k nah
They die just fine to the things thst kill daemons
High volume of mid strength no AP shots
pulsar cairn
I see
jaunty dawn
Historically they have been
Getting the same increased toughness and feel no pain saves as nurgle marines
Just not really shaking out that way atm I guess
tepid stratus
Meanwhile in AOS plaguebearer stinks are up
I meant to put stonks but stinks is appropriate
dense sedge
There’s a combat patrol tourney at my local next month I plan to go to
tepid stratus
I'm kinda shocked to hear an organized combat patrol event is actually happening
dense sedge
It’s both 40k and AoS so I just need to finish a unit of neophytes
Since last edition patrols are legal
unreal cosmos
I have no intention to act on this but I was suddenly gripped by the need to know: in Intercession Squad Kill Teams, is there a preferable bolt rilfe to pair with the grenade launcher?
floral herald
I think it’s usually the Stalker
unreal cosmos
I was assuming it was either that or baseline
floral herald
I’ve seen the auto bolter a bunch but idk why
thin ibex
cinder wraith
this is a good list (it has elthwins thorns regiment too)
tardy vault
So, I'm thinking of getting into AoS. I'm interest in the Daughters of Khaine so I am going to run down to the local game shop today and buy one of their units to build and paint. The idea is to get a cheaper unit just to see if I enjoy the hobby side first before I start buying expensive combo boxes and stuff.
First off, is this a decent idea? I know dollar to points wise I should probably grab their Vanguard box but I don't want to spend that money if I never end up putting them together. Second, what unit should I grab? Ideally it should be some sort of staple unit you're always going to be running a bunch of.
desert jay
If you’re starting out with one unit I think just buy something that looks cool and isn’t too pricey
Rules change every edition, what’s meta to bring can change even faster with patches
still warren
New edition did also just come out, not too familiar with DoK. Is there any must take units now?
tardy vault
From what I understand you're probably taking Morathi every game but she's a bit expensive for what I want to do (even if she's really cool and I do plan on getting her).
balmy wave
So, I'm thinking of getting into AoS. I'm interest in the Daughters of Khaine s...
I will say, the Spearhead box is gonna be a cheap-ish way to get a few staple units that you can run in a very very good quick game style
desert jay
Oh some people also caution against starting with centerpiece models as well, because your first models are gonna be rougher
tardy vault
Yeah, I have no illusions about my painting skill lol
balmy wave
The DoK spearhead looks very good as well, in terms of what it has for both rules and models
So definitely that's where I'd start
quaint compass
I'd suggest starting with infantry unit you think looks cool, and get the Spearhead as your second investment if you're hooked
Since it is a lot of plastic and money for just trying it out
desert jay
Oh!
still warren
A box of infantry units vs a spearhead box isn't much more expensive though
balmy wave
You are basically getting one box for half (or less) of the price of the constituent units' boxes
And you get access to a good game mode too
desert jay
For purely testing out the hobby you can also pick up a free single model at a lot of stores. I think it’s probably gonna be stormcast, but… free
balmy wave
I genuinely cannot stress enough how amazing Spearhead is as a way to play
Small army, easy rules, nothing really from the core rules
It's a standalone pickup game
quaint compass
For purely testing out the hobby you can also pick up a free single model at a l...
The free model selection does rotate
desert jay
I looked it up, there’s one monthly rotating freebie and two constant ones
quaint compass
So, I'm thinking of getting into AoS. I'm interest in the Daughters of Khaine s...
Getting a box second-hand could also be a cheaper solution
desert jay
The constant ones are an infernus marine and a stormcast vindicator
quaint compass
😔
balmy wave
Stormcast are cooler than Astartes
I do think GW could reasonably make them not the flagship faction too
Which contributes to their cooler-ness
In the old days of Fantasy, was the Empire always on every box set?
No
A game doesn't need a frontman
Especially not an over-armoured, over-shouldered, over-abbed monochrome frontman
quaint compass
It is easier to advertise with one unfortunately
I do think the chaos warriors are the marines of whfb
Because damn if they're not iconic
balmy wave
I think that for lore purposes, Stormcast can afford to not be the protagonists of an edition
desert jay
Especially not an over-armoured, over-shouldered, over-abbed monochrome frontman
Any of those qualities that make them easier to paint is intentional
balmy wave
Having them as a more beginner faction is something I'm fine with and all for
But that doesn't mean they have to be the face of the game
tardy vault
Unfortunately, it's easier to get people to enter the game with them if they're plastered everywhere.
balmy wave
I suppose the AoS lore team does a good job of not keeping them in the spotlight for the entire edition
quaint compass
A lot of marine overexposure I will blame on the Horse Hearsay
tardy vault
That's an autocorrect for the ages
quaint compass
And AoS hasn't had that for the castiron foreverers, yet
balmy wave
That's an autocorrect for the ages
I think that was intentional and genius
brittle salmon
I mean, for better or for worse, SM being the face of 40k is so firmly entrenched now GW can't really pull away without shareholders being very pissed about the drops in sales it will inevitably cause for several years
balmy wave
A lot of marine overexposure I will blame on the Horse Hearsay
Imma steal that
quaint compass
MAH HOARSE!
floral herald
4e-5e was when the marine focus really kicked off ime, but this was also pretty close to when Horus Rising released sooo
quaint compass
Correlation, causation
balmy wave
I mean, for better or for worse, SM being the face of 40k is so firmly entrenche...
Thing is, hearing new players to 40K they often are attracted to the hobby by the lore and/or look of other factions
One of the reasons 9e brought a noticeable spike was because of the Necrons
brittle salmon
Sure, but that's circumstantial data
quaint compass
We cannot know unless someone from Johnny Gamesshops says anything concrete
balmy wave
Jimmy Space is not exactly forthcoming with sales data I don't think
quaint compass
Nor their production/sales strategy
brittle salmon
I guarantee you that GW has reams of concrete data that gives them details on sales peaks and slumps - if a Marine focus was losing more money than it made, they'd shift tacks, their shareholders would demand it
The fact is that it hasn't.
That's really the long and short of it
tardy vault
They keep making models because they keep selling
floral herald
Given how important the Primaris range reboot appears to have been for GW’s financial fortunes it might be real hard to convince them yo stop
pulsar cairn
are we in 10e?
balmy wave
Bladeguard ❤️
balmy wave
are we in 10e?
For about a year now yeah
pulsar cairn
cool
tardy vault
They just did a major rules update for it actually
balmy wave
For 10th?
tardy vault
Nah, that's the one
balmy wave
It was a good balance pass, but I wouldn't call it a major rules update
Honestly they did a bigger one about half a year ago
The February one?
Or at least it felt bigger
Probably because I'm more AoS-pilled now than I was at the time
solemn gull
Why don’t people play the specialist games as much
I mean Bloodbowl is possibly the best skirmish game ever
quaint compass
In part, less exposure and a harder fantasy to sell
arctic lynx
Why don’t people play the specialist games as much
Exposure and support both factor into it.
The average person knows about Warhammer as the Space Marine and PURGE HERETICs meme game. It's got a pretty huge amount of reach from being a big thing on the internet that you're not going to be able to replicate with marketing.
Following that, most of the GW warhammer stores I've seen are focussed on introducing walk-ins and those who know about the franchise to the hobby.
The specialist stuff doesn't really get pushed solo I find, but rather as a side thing to people already onboarded to the main systems.
quaint compass
Man if my local store stashed necromunda stuff I would've started it years ago
arctic lynx
Necromunda looked kickass but it's slow launch and unclear level of support made me hold off early on and I kind of regret that.
quaint compass
Yeah
arctic lynx
The fact it was just Escher and Goliath for like the first year and people weren't sure if they planned to support it past that (especially with their poor track record on older specialist systemsk
quaint compass
Its the only Warhammer I actually get to play, the mainline 40k scene is shrunk'd around here
arctic lynx
(at least I recall it being the first year, might just have felt like a long time)
jaunty dawn
it definitely wasnt haha
gang war rolled out fairly quick
I think by year 2 they were starting the second round of books
but dont blame you
it couldve gone the other way easily
arctic lynx
Fair. It's been a while and I remember waiting for any news on Delaque but the system dropping off my radar before they came out.
jaunty dawn
delaque were one of the last to be fair
quaint compass
Hopefully there's updates for the chaos cults in the new book
Because boy howdy do Corpse Grinders lack a lot of mechanical depth compared to the updated house gangs
pine matrix
How much of Necromunda is resin? I think it looks cool but I don't really enjoy fucking around with resin
Honestly I am digging the Malstrain genestealers
unreal cosmos
Given how important the Primaris range reboot appears to have been for GW’s fina...
There's a person in another server I'm in who will use any opportunity to go "it's only a matter of time until they replace MkX armor with upscaled MkVII..."
Like I get not liking Primaris but it's silly to be in the ship with "DC needs to quit wasting time with this Superman schmuck and refocus on Zatara"
floral herald
Yeah haha
balmy wave
Why don’t people play the specialist games as much
Are you counting Kill Team in that?
Because KT has a pretty sizeable following
Deservedly so
KT is great
And Warcry is pretty good too
jaunty dawn
i think technically specialist is just necro blood bowl and mesbg
paper bluff
There are bloodbowl memes!
jaunty dawn
now
paper bluff
Like I get not liking Primaris but it's silly to be in the ship with "DC needs t...
I cannot begin to tall you how cool it would be if that did do that. A Zahara movie would have been cool
pulsar cairn
do we have any examples of orks working for a rogue trader?
like as a crew member
paper bluff
But also
pine matrix
I'd like to play tabletop blood bowl again, the one time I had with the starter kit I had a bad time
paper bluff
I wonder if tts has a good version.....
quaint compass
How much of Necromunda is resin? I think it looks cool but I don't really enjoy ...
Afaik all the "basic" kits are plastic, but named hired guns and upgrade kits are resin as a rule
Think everything but the malstrain stealers and cultists are resin in their case
If it says expert kit its resin
thin ibex
So I realized, nids with the right monsters can just be handing out 3d6 battleshock, 6+++, 6++, cover, and +1 Str in melee to just about any unit in its roster
Not counting Detachment bonuses
jaunty dawn
How much of Necromunda is resin? I think it looks cool but I don't really enjoy ...
you can absolutely avoid resin completely
especially if you just play a mainline house gang, they have a ton of support
like 3 model kits plus a plastic weapon kit each
paper bluff
As a custodes player I cannot avoid the resin if i want the real cool stuff
pine matrix
Thanks folks!
dense sedge
Most of the gangs have some special boxes reclusive to them as well
tardy vault
So, I'm thinking of getting into AoS. I'm interest in the Daughters of Khaine s...
found a local game shop that has AoS night tonight so going to show up to that and see how it looks
floral herald
Nice
tardy vault
both to get a feel for actual gameplay and also because the local scene being good vibes is very important for actually playing lol
floral herald
I’m looking at getting into it as well
Probably gonna go to the 4e release event on Saturday
dense sedge
Neat which team are you playing?
solemn gull
do we have any examples of orks working for a rogue trader?
The rogue trader rpg has a few splats about it
floral herald
Neat which team are you playing?
I haven’t bought anything but a war cry band yet
Looking at Flesh Eater Courts, Hedonites, and Darkoath
thin ibex
test built on focusing around aura stacking
dunno if synaptic nexus detachment would be better for aura stacks
paper bluff
Looking at Flesh Eater Courts, Hedonites, and Darkoath
Not a joke, how charismatic are you?
mental birch
are the wolves strong in 30k?
Advance and charge atmywide is good
mental birch
Proper boarding patrol update
Link?
floral herald
Not a joke, how charismatic are you?
Sorry should have replied earlier
paper bluff
I think I’m pretty personable, why?
Hedonites have a primary mechanic where you convince your opponent to take temptation dice. Whether they take them or not is up to how convincing you can be
floral herald
Yeah
jaunty dawn
There's plenty of game theory involved so it's not all actively tricking your opponent
floral herald
And what you can do with DPs
balmy wave
Hedonites have a primary mechanic where you convince your opponent to take tempt...
Not anymore
Oh wait they kept that???
Fuck yeah
I thought they'd got rid of it
But it is different now in 4th edition
paper bluff
I hope negash's hand of death is completely unchanged
balmy wave
The rules are all out and free so you can go look for yourself
But Hand of Death hasn't changed, no
paper bluff
Hell yeah pick a hand
balmy wave
And what you can do with DPs
This is all gone though
jaunty dawn
they still have a table n mortal wounds in spearhead tho
balmy wave
Yeah, spearhead kept more of AoS 3.0 than the full game in order to ease the transition
floral herald
What is spearhead? I gather it’s basically AoS combat patrol?
quaint compass
Ye
still warren
basically but also has it's own game mode and rules
like equally a stand alone game
people really like it
balmy wave
It's so so so much better
south axle
Combat patrol but actually kinda worth it
balmy wave
More than just kinda worth it
balmy wave
anyway, @floral herald here are the Hedonites' basic rules
what were the other armies you said you were considering?
paper bluff
what were the other armies you said you were considering?
Flesh eater courts i remember
floral herald
Flesh Eater Courts and Darkoath
Though I guess they’re like a subtype for slaves to darkness or something?
balmy wave
so Darkoath are a subfaction of Slaves to Darkness yeah
but they have an Army of Renown dedicated to them!
and it's actually really cool
paper bluff
I always kick around the idea of a giants army
balmy wave
as for FEC:
paper bluff
But.... money get in the way
balmy wave
I always kick around the idea of a giants army
not as much as Kraken-Eaters kick around objectives in-game
oh your units are on an objective?
you mean the objective I've just kicked over there?
paper bluff
Starting a giants army
floral herald
but they have an Army of Renown dedicated to them!
What’s an army of renown?
paper bluff
Wait misunderstood for a second
floral herald
I’m leaning towards Hedonites since I have black legion in 40K and I think they’d be the most different to paint
balmy wave
What’s an army of renown?
it's a special way to run specific units
so Tribes of the Snow Peaks is the Darkoath AoR, and you can only run Darkoath units
no other things
only things with the Darkoath Keyword
pastel rampart
But.... money get in the way
If you want an inexpensive (compared to GW) option, the Mantic Games giant is a great model and goes for around $40 per.
thin ibex
ogor spearhead already shown/look cool?
balmy wave
What’s an army of renown?
these are the rules for the Darkoath Army of Renown
though all of this is free on Warhammer Community
just go to the Downloads section
floral herald
Sweet thanks
balmy wave
if you are looking at Darkoath specifically, it's a lot of bare skin
so that'll be quite different from CSM
floral herald
My girlfriend is getting into Warhammer and likes the look of elves and AoS is a much better game for elves than 40K lol
balmy wave
Darkoath are also cheaper to collect than Hedonites
floral herald
Oh good to know
balmy wave
which Aelves?
floral herald
Any particular reason they’re cheaper?
balmy wave
I am a Lumineth man personally
floral herald
which Aelves?
I’m not sure DoK or Lumineth I think
balmy wave
Any particular reason they’re cheaper?
it's more that the Slaanesh models are... VERY expensive
like
floral herald
Also maybe Fyreslayers
balmy wave
ridiculously so in comparison
floral herald
I got one of the named keepers of secrets cheaply
balmy wave
there was also a Darkoath box set released recently that you may be able to find for cheap on ebay
floral herald
Albeit for a 40K standin
still warren
these are also the spearhead point values if that influences which army you want to go for
