Warhammer and Such

[jaunty dawn]

also limited to visible targets

black templars transports got extra capacity??? wild

ah no thats a space marine wide thing, interesting

enables full bladeguard + character in an impulsor

all greater daemons now have an aura of shadow of chaos

swolf detachment gets one free oath at the start of the game

ooh tyranids

synapse now gives +1 s in melee, shadow in the warp battleshock tests are now at -1 if a synapse creature is within 6"

-2 when combined with neurotyrant might be enough to push that into a real ability?

neurotyrant can join zoanthropes and neurolictor are now synapse creatures

as are broodlord and parasite

tunneling stuff got vanguard organism

gunbeast buffs but I don't have any of those lol

this is kinda wild but I think actually makes sense?

devastating wounds are back to being mortal wounds, but hazardous and devestating mortal wounds do not rollover at all

so all the fnps against mortal wounds have been fixed but devestating wounds still just gets past armour saves

indirect cannot hit on better than a 4+ regardless of bonuses!

that is to say unmodified 1-3

hazardous is also now just always 3 mortal wounds regardless of keywords thanks to the no-rollover rule

idk if that affects anything off the top of my head but any 4 wound plasma infantry, rejoice

[mental birch]

Non roll lover?

[jaunty dawn]

this

if they kill a model all remaining mortal wounds from that source are lost

command reroll has been 'fixed' for fast rolling so you don't have to do the 'save a dice incase I need a reroll' thing and we can go back to the intuitive way before ppl pointed out it was cheating xP

tank shock is now based on toughness rather than a melee weapon, and is one vehicle model specifically

heroic intervention is now 1 cp!

quality rules writing

(means lion, gulliman, and cawl are treated as infantry for this stuff despite being monsters)

[jaunty dawn]

hierodules just got removed from tyranid index? fucked up

[tired cairn]

I hate that primarch/cawl exception lmao

[tired cairn]

This probably inadvertently nerfs some psychic abilities lol

Also, I was not expecting the generic Tyranid buffs. That's neat

[jaunty dawn]

only because it no longer breaks like almost every ability designed to be anti psychic lol

tyranid buffs are big. strength breakpoints are such a big part of the game

the admech stuff is fun too

[tired cairn]

AdMech have figured out how to use the firing deck on the Dunerider! Perhaps one day they will learn to use the assault ramp

[zinc field]

Zoanthrope + neurotyrant is actually going to be nasty. 3 lascannons hitting on 2’s, with +1 to wound if you battleshock the target, and rerolls if you have an exocrine

And battleshock is now easier

[tired cairn]

Oh man, I totally forgot about the Neurotyrant's leader ability lmao

[zinc field]

Zoans also heal if someone gets battleshocked within 6”

[tired cairn]

If that happens, something has gone very wrong for the Zoanthroapes

[zinc field]

Lol true

[spice flicker]

Neurotyrant being able to attach to zoans could have been the only thing for nids in the new updated and I'd be happy, all the other stuff is just delicious extra stuff.

Like the fact that thr tyrannofex's lotto gun now can get precision

[tired cairn]

The damage change to the rupture cannon is so nice

Also, did they add Doctrina Imperatives to everything but the robots (and datasmith)?

Yes. That's hilarious and dumb

Why not just let them move through walls GW:

It's weird they buffed the hive tyrant on foot and not the swarmlord

[spice flicker]

Kinda want to see about building a 500 point list centered on a neurotyrant+zoans now

[thin ibex]

This actually feels kinda huge

[tired cairn]

Are ripper swarms now the only unit that don't have a straightfoward points scaling by multiple of models?

Which is a funny change now that there isn't any point in taking them

[jaunty dawn]

no there's a few

[jaunty dawn]

yeah they actually get a detachment rule now

[thin ibex]

"Overhang"?

[jaunty dawn]

the base has to fit

[thin ibex]

I don't know that the sw change makes it better than just taking storm lance or Ironstorm, however it means you're no longer the only Detachment who has to earn having a Detachment rule

Honestly I'd have thought they'd just add a separate, lighter rules effect instead of handing one over for free

[tired cairn]

Can you still only earn one at a time? That seemed like an annoying restriction

[thin ibex]

I believe so

[tired cairn]

Oh, and I guess they were willing to basically improve the BS value of AdMech by 1 across the board

[thin ibex]

I can't decide if army wide sustained hits 1 or fnp 6 is stronger to start with sw

[upper bluff]

Not necessarily. You only get bs 3 in protector imperative which means no bonus ap

So it makes it a choice instead of conqueror for objectives and protector for everything else

[tired cairn]

Oh, that is withing 6" of your own units not the enemy whoops lol

Yeah, it does make it harder to justify Conqueror if you aren't a melee army

[spice flicker]

As someone else explained it, the changes foe tyranids are spicy

[thin ibex]

I need to look myself but I'm kinda looking these changes overall

Now to wait for them to hit new recruit and wahapedia

[spice flicker]

And battlescribe

[thin ibex]

Any changes to the votann?

[tired cairn]

New Recruit and Battlescribe use the same datasource iirc

Man, not only did the swarmlord not get buffed, it also got nerfed lol

[spice flicker]

I mean swarmy is the punching bag of the nids so makes unfortunate sense

The fact that nexus and Vanguard got such a buff for nids might bring them back on the radar for me

[tired cairn]

... am I dumb? I don't see the mortal wound change anywhere

[paper bluff]

As a custodes player, I am now moisturized. Not longer begging for crumbs

[thin ibex]

the regenerating unit as once per battle was probably necessary

the change to custode's auric champions is like one little text change that makes it SO MUCH MORE useable

and its probably actually good now

say hello to the vertus praetors being led by shield captain on one actually being threatening all around to chosen targets

[paper bluff]

Given the codex, it was still usable. That's how dire things were

[thin ibex]

im kinda sad they didn't change the strength profile of hte eradication beamer

or attacks, between the two modes

but i wont complain about more attacks

the twin onager phosphor guns might legitimately be quite threatening now

it has similar attack volume to something like a reaper gladiator, but also keeps twin linked and ignores cover

[paper bluff]

I have never fought an admech army and saw a whole large army in the used army case at one of the game stores i go to

Some one might actually buy that now

I like that knights can go through buildings now

[thin ibex]

imp guard detachment means no lethal hits for infantry against monsters and vehicles, and no lethal hits from squadron units against infantry

[paper bluff]

The pivot rule seems like it'll take getting used to. But functionally what does it do

[thin ibex]

BA gets +2 str on the charge now? That's new?

[paper bluff]

Like a super lance?

[thin ibex]

doesnt say it doesn't stack with lance right?

[paper bluff]

I should say it's like the WE charge ability

That's +1 strength +1 attack on the charge

[thin ibex]

ba be getting +2 str +1 attack

potentially stacking with hte lance keyword as well?

DA inner circle's detchment rule change seems cool

deathwatch detachment change will make running hard into bolters cool

step aside imperial fists, there now stands TWO bolter marine armies

bolter aggressors seem a bit firghtening

with access to anti infantry 2+

what weas the knight faction ability before this change btw?

votann changes are tiny, only really affect the onslaught mode; but also you get a cp for kiling grudge targets

0 changes to tau

sadge

[jaunty dawn]

think the ba was there last time

[tired cairn]

Apparently this is in the rules commentary >:|

[jaunty dawn]

technically it's an errata to the core rules directly

coupled with the removal of the dataslate making devestating wounds not mortals

[tired cairn]

Yeah, but it should be in the dataslate like the movement changes!

[spice flicker]

Hmmm... for the upcoming crusade that starts at 500 points but goes up should I go with infantry+tank spam guard, chaos knight war dog (which are battleline) spam, or something with tyranids (nexus, Vanguard, invasion, or crusher if so?)

[zinc field]

New Tyranids look spicy

Actually hang on - the OOE and Carnifex brick with is going to have str 8 deathspitters in synapse. That’s a pretty big breakpoint

[spice flicker]

You're right

[paper bluff]

It's always been wardog spam

Go tyranids for fun

[spice flicker]

Aye but besides neurotyrant+zoan what should I take at 500 pts?

[zinc field]

Screamer killer to be your tank and to battleshock units for the neurotyrant +1 to wound. That’s ~350 points. Add a lictor/neurolictor for objective shenanigans for another 60ish points and your choice of chaff I guess

[tired cairn]

Isn't the strength bonus only for melee?

Though full deathspitter carnies + OOE were pretty fun already

Though now that the hive tyrant gives lethal hits, the higher attack one might be fun

[zinc field]

Reading comprehension😔

[tired cairn]

Strength 5 genestealers though

Especially now that you don't have to spend 20 points to give the broodlord synapse

[desert jay]

A strat with "Unending" in the name being 1/battle is pretty funny IMO

[tired cairn]

Slightly Longer to End Horde

[spice flicker]

So sentinels are both Regiment and squadron meaning they get lethal hits against all things pretty much. At 1125 for 18 (9/9) sentinels, that still leaves room for the stormlord anti-everything party bus plus some spare points

To go plasma or Las with the sentinels?

[paper bluff]

I wonder how quick auspex tactics will have his dataslate video up

Nothing yet but I bet he will by 3 hours from now

[spice flicker]

A lot changed so it could take him a minute

[paper bluff]

He didn't have a video up after 45 minutes. terrible channel, 0 outta 5. Smh

day ruined, sun burnt out James buff my favorite factions and nerf all others

Jk of course. Yeah there's alot to cover

[spice flicker]

Sentinel escort for the party bus

Combined Regiment
1990/2000 points

Cadian castellan, warlord, power fist, plasma pistol

1x10 cadian shock troops
1x20 infantry squad, two lascannons

3x3 heavy weapon squads, lascannons

3x3 armored sentinels, plasma cannons, sentinel chainsaws, hunter killer missiles
3x3 scout sentinels, lascannons, sentinel chainsaws, hunter killer missiles
Stormlord, 4 lascannons, 5 heavy bolters, 2 heavy stubbers, vulcan mega bolter

Look we don't have an AT-AT for the Imperial Guard yet so this is the closest we can get to the Endor garrison in the Imperial Guard by having one heavy armored transport proxy for another.

[desert jay]

Huh, Skitarii Rangers and Vanguard are still <100 points even with the big army rule buff

[rocky shale]

Aledari got slapped pretty hard for being at like 52%WR ouchy

The 4+ minimum for indirect hurts dark reapers a surprising amount, and point increases for pretty much all the good aspects

War walker gang stays winning

[paper bluff]

The custodes discord: thriving having a wonderful time
Necrons discord: what happened to my forge world units....

[spice flicker]

The custodes discord crusade is actually the one I'm prepping for currently

[past sphinx]

oh hell ive got to get my guard list together for that

[floral herald]

Wow what a pile of changes

This is kinda a 10.5 in scale I think

[past sphinx]

so martial mastery just happens every single turn now?

nice

[spice flicker]

Fellow guardsman what is your plan?

[past sphinx]

good to see its still the only detachment worth even glancing at

[past sphinx]

Warp stranded half mad valhallans with enough armor to crack the gates of terra

[spice flicker]

So you're going the tank+infantry route?

[past sphinx]

gonna try to go for an infantry supported by armor but the whole thing is built around a stormhammer

[spice flicker]

I was debating that, infantry+transports (not anymore on that), or sentinel spam.

[spice flicker]

Tempted to do sentinel spam and build around a stormlord tbh.

Also considering nids now

[floral herald]

Glad to see big changes to factions who need it

Little sad the CSM part of it is just point nerfs

But I think we gain a lot from the changes to strategem discounts

[spice flicker]

Nids got nearly everything they wanted for months but at the cost of swarmy being dunked on as per tradition.

Indirect fire is now dead since it always misses on an unmodified roll of 1-3

[tired cairn]

Ugh, why aren't things like that in the balance dataslate

Did they even mention it in the overview?

[floral herald]

That's hardly dead, especially given how dominant it has been earlier in the edition

1 way shooting is still strong even if it is harder to buff

It did get hit harder in the guards detachment but that's a separate thing

[jaunty dawn]

theoretically the difference is that the core rule changes are like permanent unless overruled

and you can technically play without the balance slate?

contrasting the core rule changes with like, the -cp change I think it's kinda a thing of like

the battle tactic rule didn't work out, so they're trialing a -1 cp rule instead

whereas they've now committed to devestating wound change, though it takes a different form to solve issues with the trial implementation

it's all kinda semantic

but that's the logic behind it

[tired cairn]

I hate it lol

I want a changelog and a collected list

The movement change is in both >:|

[jaunty dawn]

wow mega heals

[tired cairn]

Though I'd probably be less annoyed if they linked it in the main article

[jaunty dawn]

went from 1 at the start of Your hero phase to d3 at the end of Both turns

[tired cairn]

Are wounds more likely to be spread between units in AoS?

[jaunty dawn]

woods can be killed now though I suppose

treesong being locked to the sylvaneth lore probably makes lore a non-choice haha

oh interesting

I think this is the first recursion rule to address single model units

[tired cairn]

Are all single model units definitionally monsters?

[jaunty dawn]

no

don't think there's any multimodel monsters in sylvaneth though

[lofty warren]

Extremely weird cause theres no facings beyond this

[floral herald]

I think it mostly matters for charge shenanigans

GW heed my cry bring back front and fear facing

[tired cairn]

Pivots always mattered for movement, though I was always unclear how you were supposed to measure lol

It only matters for like, tanks and oval bases

I thought it would be mostly matters for going through weird gaps. But I really shouldn't underestimate charge shenanigans

[paper bluff]

I literally never took the knight indirect fire top mounted weapon

[floral herald]

I like how Sheavy walkers can smash through terrain now

Big QoL for a lot of people but especially knights

[spice flicker]

Debating between nids, generic guard+tanks, death korps sentinel spam, or see if I can make Tempestus Scions focused army work

[thin ibex]

would it be safe to assume polearms are used more often by space marines than depicted?

[storm schooner]

Considering they're depicted as using polearms almost never probably. I think they've got rules in HH but I can't think of any actual art of them using them or anything

[junior robin]

the white scars biker upgrade came with a spear iirc

[spice flicker]

Now all power weapons are the same so you can kitbash a power spear or power Halberd if you want.

[storm schooner]

Yeah White Scars have unique lances, I think Khans can still get them in 10th

[thin ibex]

So as far a I know the dark angels sometimes have halberds, the white scars have spears/ lances, death watch have a halberd, minotaur chapter master has a spear

[floral herald]

I think that's reasonable since a big part of why they don't is that long weapons are hard to model well

But also I think space marines generally favor one handed weapons so I don't think there's a huge number of them

[thin ibex]

yeah i figure it'd be something all marines train with, because you know, generalized weapon mastery good; but that in most cases a spear or polearm would be used by more specialized or personalized individuals

you might see it more, say, in the wolfguard

Victrix Guard use axes right?

[past sphinx]

just powerswords i think?

atleast nowadays

[thin ibex]

i think i have the older version in mind

[past sphinx]

i think the old honor guard kit had poweraxes but GW hates that anything other than powerswords are used

[thin ibex]

i thought it was kind of a cool affectation for there being power axe guys in the UM

as like a prestige position and weapon

that probably had some kind of cultural weight

[past sphinx]

im not sure why basically all other weapons besides the powersword and chainsword have been culled

[thin ibex]

well power fists are still a thing

[past sphinx]

true

[thin ibex]

or do you mean like as far as power weapons being printed/sold

[floral herald]

Lore wise the Axes of Ultramar are a victrix guard thing I think

But model wise they have swords (boo)

[past sphinx]

yeah bits in boxes

theres like 3 power axes in the range

an upgrade kit with a kinda wonk looking lightning claw

and i dont think primaris have thunder hammers at all

though BT have a single power maul in the brethren kit

homeboy got given the dollar store lighting claws

[thin ibex]

intercessor sarge can have a th

nut dont know wher it comes from

but*

[past sphinx]

hmm yeah its not on the sprue from what i can see

ah the salamanders upgrade kit

[thin ibex]

lol isuppose thats fitting

[compact gate]

you know, for once, I am extremely glad i was completely fucking wrong

we're so fucking back!

[desert jay]

Custodes kinda took the hat of "the ones with pole weapons" regardless of if it'd make sense for others to use them too

[thin ibex]

i always thought the GK were the poster boys for marine polearms tbh

but custodes got it going on too

also gk have more options i suppose, or had

[floral herald]

GK were more that before they got other weapon options in 5e IMO

[desert jay]

Due to Poorhammer I keep thinking of GK as "the ones who used to have Nemesis Daemon Hammers and now don't"

[thin ibex]

they still look sick with the halberd

at least

[floral herald]

for sure

[unreal cosmos]

I really like that design ngl

[past sphinx]

if they had just a little more mass to them id be more partial to them

they just kinda look like wolverine claws from walmart to me

[lucid scarab]

Reading Infinite and Divine has given me the itch for a Retro Geezer academic necron

[past sphinx]

i know what it is, its that thyre attached to the forearm

[paper bluff]

Night hunter style

[paper bluff]

I'd gladly play an old cron cypktek. Would fit with my oldcron lord and warriors

[lucid scarab]

Geezer alert geezer alert send pics of your verified geezers

[lucid scarab]

Looking awesome

Going to need to eventually get a few of these guys as an honor guard for this fella

[paper bluff]

i always meant to skulpt a res orb in into the one with the broken hand

[floral herald]

Oh damn those are some ooooldcrons

[paper bluff]

I tried to make a deal with a guy to get his OG immortals he said nah

[floral herald]

https://fixupx.com/legs_pizza/status/1803766784777990397

real

[lucid scarab]

I’ve got to finish my Retro nid collection first, but after that I’ll be after a couple oldcrons for my menagerie

[tired cairn]

Big Guns Never Tire is worded to allow the Neurotyrant give zoanthropes it (but I think it's very unintended given how models are sometimes referenced in those rules)

[desert jay]

There's a few other Nid monsters that could already lead infantry, weren't there?

[tired cairn]

Nothing that could shoot

[desert jay]

Oh, Tyrant Guard can't shoot. Hah

[jaunty dawn]

weirdly it gives them big guns never tire but not the penalty of big guns never tire

[tired cairn]

Yeah lol

Clearly everyone is too distracted by the big scary monster to dodge the zoanthropes

[paper bluff]

As a custodes and world eaters player, if I'm not charging you, I've done something wrong

[jaunty dawn]

wonder if thats why it didnt already lead zoanthropes and they just forgot/no longer care

[pine matrix]

The battle in my mind between communism and my Dark Eldar army

[floral herald]

They're just such fun little assholes

I could say the same but for my CSM

[pine matrix]

If this is the Most Awful And Worst Setting Ever why not play the greatest bastards in that setting?

[pine matrix]

Truuuuue

[jaunty dawn]

this is why I play word bearers

[paper bluff]

Are you going to skupt an old old version of the biovore?

[tired cairn]

I suspect they forgot lol

[solemn gull]

he's adorable

[tired cairn]

We can go older:

The middle one was so goofy

[jaunty dawn]

wuh

[desert jay]

Shit, deleted the wrong message while aiming for mine

Sorry

[jaunty dawn]

lmaooo

no worries

pokemon (user was banned for this post)

[pine matrix]

Off Topic!!! Mods!!!! Mods!!!!!!!!

[jaunty dawn]

I like this a lot more than the modern

[floral herald]

I like how the middle one makes it really clear how orks were involved in the biovore

[tired cairn]

Wait, is that not the modern tyrant guard?

[tired cairn]

oh, huh

[jaunty dawn]

you have these shield wing things instead

and I'm not a fan!

[floral herald]

I kinda dig the new tyrant guard for similar reasons as those old biovores

[tired cairn]

I think they should have gone more centaur instead of weird dedicated feet hands

[upper bluff]

Big gorilla arms?

[tired cairn]

The really old ones were pretty funny:

I kind of liked the shield (whcih was a ranged weapon lol)

[jaunty dawn]

tyranids had this weird thing where they made a bunch of finecast models in 5th ed (venomthropes and hive guard) and then immediately deprecated them in favour of new dual kits like a year later

but never did the obvious pyrovore/biovore one

[floral herald]

Tyrant Guard are derived from space marine DNA so them having humanlike hands and big pauldrons helps sell that

DNA is stored in the pauldrons

[paper bluff]

Finecast... BAH!

https://tenor.com/view/spit-trash-gif-24556441

[still warren]

https://youtu.be/5tqDxvpzsKM?feature=shared

[floral herald]

ooh a hubworld

[pastel rampart]

Peak Necron design.

[tired cairn]

They Tyranid Warrior took a lot of plasma blasts to the face

[thin ibex]

ima be playing a reiver i tell you h-what

[lucid scarab]

Already did actually! One to scale with the new Biovore

Removable ejection cloud on the top.

It fits on the 80mm round base of Biovores in 10th edition now

There he is next to the original 2e version

[paper bluff]

Every thought about updated (resized) Obi-Wan Sherlock and OG custodes? I always thought that spear could be like the adrasite spear

[lucid scarab]

Not really my speed! But I think I saw someone tackled it. I'd need to go looking again though, i think I saw someone had sculpted some Retro Custodes

[paper bluff]

Really just the retro cyptek would be great! Lol

[solemn gull]

@floral herald dunno if I’ve ever asked you this but do you prefer DH1 or DH2

[floral herald]

So I prefer DH1 but I have brainworms around it and a lot of house rules

So I don't know that this means that you should prefer it as well

[solemn gull]

Understandable I can’t decide. DH2 seems like it was better written but it never really got to bloom.

Meanwhile DH1 is rough but has so many splats and so much stuff

[south axle]

I kinda preferred 2nd Ed over 1st Ed

[floral herald]

DH2 is a much better put together game in most respects but I like some of the quirks for 1e and really prefer the psychic rules in it

[past sphinx]

DH1 was some of the most comprehensive lore dumping the setting had seen at the time and had the kinda fiddly mechanics i adore

but boy

i would never make my friends play it

[finite compass]

My favorite thing about DH1

Is that a psyker had a 1 in 400 chance of just fucking dying every time they used their powers.

[floral herald]

It could potentially be higher!

And in very rare situations could be lower

[finite compass]

Well maybe not favorite but it was certainly the thing that seemed to come up the most

Also the setting was great. The stuff with the Tyrant Star was just chef's kiss

I think a lot of the problem to begin with was everybody was expecting Eisenhorn: the Ravenoring, and what we got initially with 1e was WFRP in Space.

[desert jay]

I remember someone talking about a DH campaign where in the campaign villain's first "on-screen" appearance they fail a perils roll and die and the whole thing derails

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this?

500 pts Scions
Combined Regiment
500/500 pts

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad, command rod, master vox, medi-pack, hot-shot volley gun, plasma gun, warlord

2x10 Tempestus Scions, vox-caster, 2x volley guns, 2x meltaguns
1x5 tempestus Scions, vox-caster, volley gun, melta gun

2x taurox primes, Storm bolter, twin autocannons, taurox missile launcher

[desert jay]

You can't fit a 10-scion unit plus command squad in a taurox prime but otherwise seems fine for 500pts

[spice flicker]

That's what the five man squad is for. I need something to hold the rear objective sometimed and that's the one to do it if they're not busy deepstriking.

[desert jay]

Also AFAICT can't make use of the command rod

Oh I missed the 5-man

[spice flicker]

Might out them in valkyrie or another taurox in the future.

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah not enough orders for the command rod to do anything

in this list

other than with stratagems I guess

[spice flicker]

Well the command rod let's it give two different orders to the same time though you might be right in that there isn't enough officers.

[jaunty dawn]

command rod lets the unit receive two different orders

the tempestor still only gives one though

I don't think more officers is really gonna happen efficiently at 500 pts though

[spice flicker]

Not with scions

But would changing the command rod to a plasma pistol make this a good list to go with?

[desert jay]

Commissar is pretty cheap but you'd still have to drop something else

[upper canopy]

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[jaunty dawn]

ooooh

[spice flicker]

Hmmm... to take lord solar in the future for the crusade or nah....

[jaunty dawn]

awesome

[thin ibex]

personally i wouldnt take lord solar even tho he's amazing

cause he cant earn xp

[jaunty dawn]

I'd probably just add a stopgap +1 order battle honor

for crusade

while the codex isn't out

[thin ibex]

also i just love the idea of a command squd with a ogryn bg and a militarum attaches as my like central command hierarchy during a crusade

I do kinda wish they had a Lord General model rather than just a platoon command squd tho

[jaunty dawn]

generic horse man

tried to google leontus centaur to see if anyone had made that

just came up with a bunch of people making command centaurs (the guard vehicle) to proxy as him

which is a cool idea

[still warren]

https://x.com/nise_yoshimi/status/1803815483906392319

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[brittle salmon]

Man I'm still dumbfounded Rhinos of any stripe are 75 points

I remember the good old days of 35 point metal boxes

[floral herald]

It’s honestly really weird for me too

I guess they were too much of a no brainer?

[upper canopy]

In 10th's meta I'd be REALLY surprised at 35 point rhinos

https://x.com/DiceyJune/status/1803820013461057848

Dicey June - comm open (@DiceyJune) on X

breaking news: new updates allows rhinos to drift

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 3:59 PM

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[brittle salmon]

I'm not saying they should be 35 now, but being 75 points when a Chimera is just 80

It feels very off

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s weird for me too

I’d expect more like 50-60 maybe

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1dkhqx0/ratling_warpblaster_in_40k_wip/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

sickos yes

[thin ibex]

I invasive its cause of what rhinos carry

Like a rhino can be carrying a melta gun and a lascannon via firing deck, and a bunch of 2 wound, 3+ models

While the chimera gets some guys at 1w and a s3 gun, and doesn't get anything stronger than str 6

[floral herald]

They carried that stuff back when they were 35 pts tbf

[thin ibex]

sm had 1 wound back then

😛

[floral herald]

What stuff is allowed in a chimera these days?

Hard to find on waha

[jaunty dawn]

pretty much any infantry

it can firing deck heavy weapon teams too

[floral herald]

No more 4x special weapon veteran squads these days though

[solemn gull]

It’s funny people have been making tyrant star lore theories forever when it’s literally explained in DH1

[floral herald]

Yes honestly

But its in a module so no one knows

[solemn gull]

I need to get some more DH modules

The ones I’ve got from a humble bundle were fun

[thin ibex]

I still need to buck up and actually run WanG

[brittle salmon]

Wait really?? What is it?

[past sphinx]

Haarlock trilogy

its uhh well kinda mid

[brittle salmon]

lmao

[floral herald]

That's also my recollection it wasn't as cool as the lore theories

[past sphinx]

Folks the Fw spears and FW terminators are now heavily discounted

[lucid scarab]

Shipment of goods arrived

[finite compass]

TBF, the Haarlock explanation sucks

[floral herald]

SM2 multiplayer chapter/legion skins

[finite compass]

They've got my boys

I am satisfied.

Though not my Tabletop army

[floral herald]

I'm a little confused by all the stuff marked 6

[finite compass]

It should really be Ave Domine Noctum, but Warhammer is always funny with the NotLatin

[uneven ember]

SPACE SHARKS!

[past sphinx]

thats a weird collecting of chapter badges

sharks but no blood angels?

iron hands

[dense sedge]

No tsons?

[past sphinx]

hats to big to ride

thought this is probably a small slice tbh i cant fathom releasing a customizer for space marines and not even having all the main legions

theres not even an ultramarines badge there and the feckin games about the blueboys

[floral herald]

If its like SM1 (which it may not be) these would be like special model changing skins

While UMs and such might be represented with normal armor customization

[thin ibex]

I am not ashamed to say I'd spend the real dollars to be a space wolf reiver

You know, one thing I'm a fan of BA for is being able to bring a chainsword focused army and it working well

[finite compass]

This is especially odd because TSons are confirmed to be in the single player as antagonists

[floral herald]

That might make them the default tbf

[past sphinx]

this is just the heraldry editor

weird to crop out literally everything else in the image

[floral herald]

oh lol that explains a bit

[thin ibex]

There a mp horde mode too right?

[past sphinx]

4 player PVE from what it seemed

[floral herald]

Yeah coop horde mode and pvp

I had some hopes for a pvpve but its probably out of scope

Space marine extraction shooter with oodles of tyranid mobs

[tardy vault]

I'm old school and prefer good old team deathmatch

[floral herald]

Well, you'll likely get that

[tardy vault]

They explicitly called it out

[floral herald]

IIRC SM1 was TDM, 3 point control, and some kind of KOTH

[paper bluff]

Oh yah, I know that story. That big bad summoned a greater unclean one

[tardy vault]

tho, I lied and generally like the objective modes (which they also will have)

[floral herald]

I think there was a weird assassin/juggernaut mode

[tardy vault]

The 6 classes for the PvE mode

[paper bluff]

I'm so bulwark

[tardy vault]

Yes you get the shield

And also a buff banner

[floral herald]

what fhe fug

why "heavy" and not "devastator" lol

[paper bluff]

look i assume the normie market would be small, but it would be there

[brittle salmon]

i am heavy weapons marine

and this

is my weapon

[remote wharf]

Because you're a Primaris, Primaris don't have devastators, yet.

[finite compass]

I hope they do what they did with the first one

And have a Chaos PvE mode

[past sphinx]

Enforcers responing in refurbished Venators? are they poor or something?

Its a specially modified Astartes rhino outfitted with spaced armor, firing decks and stormbolters what could it cost Brother Michael? ten thousand thrones?

[floral herald]

Those guys are called fire support though!

[uneven ember]

That's some "I AM THE LAW" energy there

[remote wharf]

And every other one is one word and heavy works best.

[floral herald]

Given that is a devastator marine pictured I certainly don't agree lol

[brittle salmon]

That's a goofy justification when Devastator is right there

[floral herald]

I'll also note that "Tactical" and "Assault" are already there

[thin ibex]

I'm gonna want to love vanguard but I'll probably play more bulwark or tactical

It's probably a fluency thing, like the vanguard isn't called a reiver.

Though personally, devastator is pretty descriptive too

But heavy reads better into a role I'd hazard

[tired cairn]

There is already errata for the Pariah Nexus cards? https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/1U4CJSV1NJDmXnv2.pdf

[floral herald]

Maybe if Games Workshop named their PDFs they'd mess them up less lol

[desert jay]

With it also being Gravis, it looks pretty much like Heavy Intercessor loadout

[floral herald]

You know that's fair

That's the most likely reason for "heavy"

[desert jay]

Like if you're looking at Primaris unit loadouts, it's Intercessor, Assault Intercessor, Reiver, Bladeguard, Eliminator, Heavy Intercessor

[tired cairn]

Oooh nooo, the rules between matched play and the core rules are written differently for pivoting rules

[floral herald]

Oh?

[tired cairn]

This refers to base the model is on, whereas the core rules are if it is a vehicle or monster :/

[soft willow]

It hits bike units and some other weird base sizes.

[tired cairn]

I just don't understand why they have two different rules

[floral herald]

Yeah that's weird

[tired cairn]

It's the reserve rule weirdness all over again

[peak olive]

What’s the difference between Red Box warcry and Orange Box warcry

I know nobody posts warcry but still

[mental birch]

There's a 25 point Enhancement that does nothing

[mental birch]

Edition I guess

[peak olive]

Ah

[tired cairn]

Oh?

[floral herald]

Afaik there’s no way to trigger Puretide Engram Neurochip now

[tired cairn]

Oh lol

I'm not sure where they wrote the rule exactly, but it's reflected in the app: unit restrictions for the divergent chapters is now independent of detachment choice

[jaunty dawn]

i think the idea is that in non competetive minded play they dont expect people to abuse bike bases

but its also weird cause. its written like its a rule replacement? so does it still apply to round based monster/vehicles or?

nvm went back and checked and theyre actually excluded by the default rule

whuch makes sense since theres no reason to pivot a round base

in the errata for codex: space marines

the space wolves one is really annoying though. like sure they dont have 'apothecaries' but they squatted wolf priests so like???

[thin ibex]

Well, wolf priests have just been chaplains for a few editions now, just that they also had an Apothecary stratagem at one point

[jaunty dawn]

yeah it's been annoying for me a few editions too

[desert jay]

And at the other end, the Deathwatch one is also silly because tacticals are gone but intercessors are fine, devastators are gone but eradicators and hellbasters and desolation mariness are fine...

And Deathwatch has primaris kill teams (unit), Fortis and Indomitus and Spectrus

[tired cairn]

Though poorly implemented, having unit restrictions across all of the divergent chapters could partially address the complaints about them being strictly superior to compliant ones

Though my ridiculous idea would be to have separate points costs for each divergent chapter for the entire range lol

[desert jay]

And Blood Angels and Dark Angels are "yeah take whatever you want battle bro"

[desert jay]

... just realized devastator and tactical ban applies to SW too

[thin ibex]

wits true, but sw dont have tac squads or dev lore wise too

[desert jay]

Yeah but all the intercessors/etc that they want

[thin ibex]

thats cause logan convinced the rest of the chapter after being super opposed for a bit

to take the primaris reinforcements

[solemn gull]

He probably didn’t want to argue and said “take em” before going back to his nap

[tired cairn]

Maybe they will forget how to use intercessors whenever they get special space wolf ones

[desert jay]

It'd've been funny if the chapter went "okay but only the cool ones"

[paper bluff]

What makes a space work is culture so the wolf spears have to hajj to fenris

[uneven ember]

wait what's with the BTs not getting hover tanks
or am I missing something here

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this 2k bugs list that i feel is almost a hybrid of synaptic nexus and crusher stampede?

Synaptic Nexus

Neurotyrant, warlord, power of the hive mind
Neurotyrant

2x10 hormagaunts

1x11 neurogaunts
2x neurolictors
3x3 zoantropes

3x exocrine
3x haruspex
2x maleceptors
1995/2000 pts

Not a lot of screens I know but face tanking has always been fun in the past.

[floral herald]

It means you have to take the Black Templars version of those vehicles

Which is a little more expensive and gets a multi-melta

It's a very strange quirk of 10e space marines that one of the most distinct black templars things is that they just slap multi meltas on everything

[tired cairn]

I would recommend against two neurotyrants and do a 6 strong Zoanthroapes squad

I would also be a bit concerned about the relatively low amount of synapse creatures for that detachment

[spice flicker]

Well the Tyrants have the nodes that let them attach to units to give synpase, neurolictors/zoantropes/neurogaunts/maleceptors also all give synpase. Only units without natural synpase would be the gaunts, haruspex, and exocrines.

Though I see your point about swapping the 2nd tyrant to upgrade a zoan squad to 6 man.

Just afraid of too few characters (been list building for guard too much I think)

[uneven ember]

ah, gotcha

I guess that is something we've been doing since the OG LR Crusader?

[tired cairn]

Oh, I mean that some of the strats care about the unit providing synapse (e.g. reinforced hive nodes)

I think pariah Nexus cares less about having a lot of characters (the Ritual equivalent doesn't need them iirc)

[spice flicker]

Also trying to brainstorm an endgame idea for a crusade that ends at 2000 points so I was seeing if this was worth working towards?

[tired cairn]

It's probably perfectly fine for that tbh. My only caution would be it's unusual to want both 3x haruspexes and 3x exocrines plus the model is easy to magnetize, so you might want to steer away from 6 of them for that reason. But of course if you like how they look that doesn't matter

[spice flicker]

It's on tabletop simulator which is why I was fine taking 3 of each. Their cheap with decent melee and decent shooting respectively for their cost

Any suggestions on how to reduce that down to 500 points as a good starting point if that list is the endgame?

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/sefu_sneezed/status/1804170503671943630

[solemn gull]

I don’t get it?

[lofty warren]

thought

tzeentch cultist with knuckle tats that read "CHANGE IS GOOD"

[solemn gull]

Damn the mutation gave him that extra finger just for knuckle tats

[upper canopy]

if you see the post before it's just an admech dude raising a daughter

art of an oc

[solemn gull]

https://youtu.be/bWF48P85O_E?si=EzfkChG8euRhDeWM

Also I love watching oldhammer

It’s so charming when every model has a beer gut or derpy pose

I have a second edition marine and the power stance is adorable

[desert jay]

AIUI they were pretty good before too, the point drop is surprising

[tired cairn]

It's not going to be good for them if it's the battle of Endor

[spice flicker]

Well I mean...

[tired cairn]

oh lol

[floral herald]

I always found that comic funny because that’s exactly the type of 40k shit that would crush a semi-armored scout sentinel like a tin can in 40k

[tired cairn]

lol

[desert jay]

Yeah, how many unaugmented soldier-men with combat knives does it take to beat a sentinel? You may pick ones that really good at stabbing, but no dupes of epic heroes, no chainswords, no power weapons

[upper canopy]

I could kill a sentinel by having enough grots punch it to death

[tired cairn]

Really they would probably just tie it up in melee for the entire game

[spice flicker]

Narrowed down my upcoming crusade force to either the 527th (random number chosen) Cadian Armored Battalion (infantry+tanks) or the 105th Rodne Heavy Scout Division (sentinel focused that might be changed to also focus on Death Korps of Kreig but haven't settled yet and thus would be the 105th Krieg instead of 105th Rodne .)

[mental birch]

I've killed a sentinel with kroot carnivores

pre codex its veryf unny

since they got enough food to have a feel no pain form that

[spice flicker]

Just need to finally stop being indecisiveness and settle for one of them

[uneven ember]

So this is still funny to me bc years and years back, with the first Star Wars: Battlefront, I decided to play Empire on Endor because I was in my edgier "teddy bears killing and eating Storm Troopers is goofy and not cool as hell" period
But like five minutes later my friends are giving me shit I've died IDK how many times to unseen brown and grey ewoks in a brown and grey forets & been reduced to wildly firing my blaster into the woods screaming about "RUXPIN IN THE TREES MAN, RUXPIN IN THE FUCKING TREES!"

[solemn gull]

those battlefront teddybears terrified me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndHpE0lLkgA

[thin ibex]

yeah logs would crush a sentinel

i do think in general scifi fiction often overstates the degree to which the scifi hardware is immune to like normal, terrestrial or natural stuff

giant rocks stay dangerous to just about anything when they roll down a hill

[bright dove]

Don't forget they're big trees too!

[finite compass]

I mean it's basically a scout vehicle. So that armor's not going to be super thick.

[lofty warren]

logs work on the same principle as power fists

[solemn gull]

I feel like there is a mythbusters episode about this

[topaz elk]

It’d at the very least knock them over

Which like, that’s already enough

Sentinels don’t look super good at self fighting

[finite compass]

It's a big heavy object hitting a hollow metal box

At the very least it's gonna get stove in decently

[uneven ember]

On its back, kicking like a turtle

[topaz elk]

It’s trying really hard but it just makes it worse

Eventually it fully flips itself

It’s legs shaking in the air

[solemn gull]

It is an actual job in the guard to go around with a recovery vehicle and haul back vehicles. I wonder how much of that is picking up sentinels and putting them on their feet

[topaz elk]

Sentinel pilot angrily recounting the time some tiny bear xeno knocked his sentinel on the ground and he had to wait 8 hours for the guard to toe his thing back to base

[uneven ember]

Just imagining the training a Guard EOD would have to deal with.
"Do not look at the hazardous object. Do not listen to the lies whispered by the hazardous object. After the hazardous object has been neutralized, report to The Room (don't worry about it)"

[finite compass]

On that note. We have an actual canonical recovery vehicle on a Russ chassis

I wonder if they make Baneblade chassis super-heavy recovery ones

[thin ibex]

Eod getting trained on how to defuse dynamite alongside aeldari soul bombs

Then again, having read the imperial infantryman's uplifting primer, EOD training is probably "do not concern yourself with the traps laid by xenos, heretics, and traitors. Imperial armor is proofed against their weak and faithless weaponry"

[floral herald]

The Battlefront 1 Ewoks were a fucking MENACE

[thin ibex]

"The pernicious Eldar's weak and unreliable nature translates to their explosives as well, and they often fail to explode alltogether. When they do explode, the thrice blessed hull of an Imperial vehicle and the superior flak armor of the Militarum is proofed against the feeble display.

[finite compass]

"Like their other weaponry, Greenskin explosives are crude and unreliable, often failing to detonate, or causing little more than a harmlesss shower of sparks."

Meanwhile the entire command squad just got wiped by a Bomb Squig

[uneven ember]

I feel like Baneblade recovery is always just a mess.
Like, I can run with it during an actual shooting engagement but when I start to imagine stuff like vehicle recovery the vibe is just people having to deal with all the actual practical bullshit around a tank that size

[desert jay]

You get a Knight to drag it like a sled

If you're lucky you can put it in neutral and not have to get skids under the treads

[uneven ember]

yes

[soft willow]

Remember that the Admech have several vehicles that are larger than the baneblade by an order of magnitude.

[desert jay]

Look, Titans are too big and important to task with recovery efforts of non-Titans

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/Rmulderz/status/1804177767573131618

mulderz (@Rmulderz) on X

This is just a fan art of warhammer40000
We found four magical girls, but something felt wrong.

Twitter · Jun 21, 2024, 3:41 PM

[uneven ember]

what would you call a guy who makes bolter rounds
Like a fletcher but for bolters

I just really like the idea of a skilled artisan worker going "with a lifetime of practice and skill I can make six functional bolter rounds a day. Seven, on a really good day, if I skip midday meal"

[runic swallow]

That’s probably more for the specialist rounds, especially since even the guard uses heavy bolters pretty extensively

Like, there’s the whole mechanicus factory worlds that produce ammo

Though, I could see that for the Deathwatch specialist rounds and such

[floral herald]

Boltelier

[uneven ember]

Well yeah but also this is 40K, their idea of an auto-loader for city-sized spaceships is a work crew.
Like half the time "automation" means "lobotomized cyborg slaves"

[uneven ember]

ohh, I like it

[runic swallow]

I remember reading something talking about guardsmen doing shell scrimshaw (like is common in WWI trench art, though significantly more Space Catholic) with specifically Astartes bolter shell casings

And I think it’s sometimes been said that’s illegal lol

[plucky token]

i'm pretty sure there's even stats for such rounds in the Fantasy Flight TTRPGs

[solemn gull]

there are a lot of ammo options in the fantasy flight games

[tired cairn]

In W&G, there are these shotgun shells:

I also love this tidbit abotu them:

[upper canopy]

Lmao

But yes the astartes shell casing is used as a lucky charm

Which will get you killed because non astartes are forbidden for having them

[uneven ember]

love it

[still warren]

Kole,

I know what everyone's saying. Listen to what I'm saying now. I've ranged as close to the Chain as any dare, and I'm telling you that it isn't just ratmen lurking there. Most of the land's been smashed flat, and the hammering you hear from the mountains... it's too methodical for the Skaven. There are oil slicks that melt flesh right off your bones and smoke that coils in the sky like screaming faces. 'Please, believe me. Inform the Marshals. Something is coming, and I don't know if we're ready for it.

Stay cautious.

Jazra

Hashut, Hashut, Hashut!

[finite compass]

HASHUT! VORGUND! ZHARR-NAGGRUND!

[solemn gull]

Lmao that’s so grimderp

How can they tell the difference between a marine’s shell casing and a normal boltgun casing

Also are casings canon again?

[runic swallow]

Always have been, it’s just been weird about how it’s simultaneously rocket propelled

[solemn gull]

Yeah

[runic swallow]

Also people want to have a cool rain of casings when shooting

[solemn gull]

I thought they were canonically caseless

[runic swallow]

Canonically rocket propelled

But have casings because it’s cool

[solemn gull]

I mean yeah but there are other weapons that work for that, would be weird if lasguns had casings

Guess it’s just “boltgun is iconic”

[jaunty dawn]

bolts are a 2 stage thing

first stage is a conventional cartridge propellant and second stage is the rocket in the bolt

[solemn gull]

Neat

[jaunty dawn]

also space marine bolters are bigger

as are the bolts

it...kinda only makes sense cause 40k has magical microexplosives

[solemn gull]

Right but what stops a worshipper from saying “no this was fired from a guard/SoB/etc” storm bolter or heavy bolter

[jaunty dawn]

cause like

a space marine bolt is in between a human bolter and a human heavy bolter

plus theres all sorts of markings on the case

[floral herald]

Different caliber

[runic swallow]

Human bolters are .75, Astartes are .995

[floral herald]

“Mortal” bolters are .75 cal iirc and space marine ones are .998

[jaunty dawn]

human bolt is basically the size of a large shotgun shell

[solemn gull]

I was referring to the mounted weaponry

Like a lemun russ’s sponsons are the same type of heavy bolter marines lug around?

[jaunty dawn]

and you can easily make a shotgun fire bolt shells once

[floral herald]

I think the heavy bolters are also bigger but it might be easy to pass off a mortal HB case as a space marine bolter shell

[jaunty dawn]

cause the relevant technology is just in the shell

[solemn gull]

Writing this down for Dark Heresy

Would definitely blow up the shotgun in someone’s hand though

[jaunty dawn]

it should be in there

[uneven ember]

I'd need to dig way back to support this but I'm pretty sure they were initially written as being caseless, but the artists kept on drawing them ejecting brass because it looks cool and the fluff writers gave up

[jaunty dawn]

or in rogue trader

[solemn gull]

lol

[jaunty dawn]

good tbh

they should eject brass

but also famously theres not much like 'common knowledge' around firearms in the uk

and the internet wasnt as accessible like 30 40 years ago

its funny seeing the difference in approach between gw and forge world in the early days of the latter

like codex imperial guard will be like the demolisher cannon fires a big boomy bang gun yesss while the imperial armour books will be like 'we know how tank ammo works and introduce rules for making a leman russ pick between AP and HE and APFSDS'

cause forge world had the milhist nerd background

[runic swallow]

It’s the Historical Wargamer turned 40k Zone

[solemn gull]

Props to them for trying to military sci-fi the sci-fi wargame

[runic swallow]

Also, as usual I’ll mention that historical wargames are often very fun and pretty darn cheap

[jaunty dawn]

boltguns also figure out how when to explode by gravity or something

[runic swallow]

It’s more they detect a change in density

Basically it’s a delayed impact fuse tho

[floral herald]

Speaking of funny dark heresy bolters I liked the “Angelus” bolter which fired Astartes bolts which fell off of a truck

[runic swallow]

You’re in the inquisition it’s fine

Just ask dad for a permission slip

[solemn gull]

Is that the modified flare gun?

[floral herald]

I don’t think it has a picture but it’s basically a carbine-cannon fed from a 3 round tube magazine

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah even beyond the caliber thing anything made for astartes is gonna say that on it somewhere and probably have like various blessings and makers marks and shit

[peak olive]

What even are the giant plastic shells on chainswords and bolters?

[runic swallow]

Explain further

[peak olive]

Is that like the slide, main body or for decoration

[solemn gull]

Oh I remember now it’s the one next to it

[peak olive]

So you know how a lot on imperial weaponry have a giant colored metal shell?

[runic swallow]

Well, for the chainsword that’s probably just a housing so it’s one sided and maybe holding some mechanisms

[solemn gull]

I was thinking of the spitfire

[jaunty dawn]

i think its mostly giant for practical model painting and sculpting reasons

[runic swallow]

For the bolter that’s probably just part of the receiver

[jaunty dawn]

and then just becomes part of the aesthetic

[peak olive]

Aight

[floral herald]

Oh I forgot about that

[solemn gull]

It reminds me of that guy on youtube who made a fitting to allow a flare gun to fire shotgun shells and it promptly exploded in his hand

[floral herald]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/40k-stormbolter-cutaway.jpg

Storm bolter but it looks like bolter internals are very bulky

[runic swallow]

They kinda make them specifically so they can’t be used for that

[solemn gull]

He figured out how to reliably do it with 22 though

[runic swallow]

.22lr and 12ga are very different pressure-wise lol

[upper canopy]

A guard to keep them from being two sided and thus a huge risk to the user as well as for cleaning gore from the mechanisms

[final tide]

I think im onto something (WIP)

[floral herald]

👀

[final tide]

Old! School! Orcs!

[runic swallow]

Crossposting from #1171221956775907408
This is what I’m working on currently. Since I’m not great at coming up with paint schemes, I’m looking for some help. Anyone have any ideas what FAL guy’s sweater and hat color should be? And the PKM guy’s shirt/sweater?
I’m pretty sure I’m gonna do all the boots as a kinda khaki or tan, but less sure about the various hats and scarves, or how to do the wood, gunmetal, and RPG warhead. I realize this isn’t exactly 40k, but this is another place us painting gremlins reside, so thought I’d give it a shot

Also, painting gremlins, we have the #1171221956775907408 channel, come on by and check it out/show off your stuff

And I forgot to post the picture like a dumbass:

Featuring unpainted Generic Insurgents and DELTA/CIA Advisor guys in the background

[paper bluff]

Lost but it was a close one. I tried out the bikes but those were not as good as they could be

[paper bluff]

Wait turns out a win. I forgot to total up my holding points

[tired cairn]

@floral herald Very belated, but re: Eldar Racism, it's pretty funny how the romance path with the Eldar character involves her discovering that a human has the same complex inner life as herself

[tired cairn]

Nice

[pastel rampart]

Hell yes, peak zoanthrope

[upper canopy]

Can't tell if the Marika pronouns stuff is laziness of copy-pasting or galaxy brained

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/Salllllty_water/status/1803836867189838096?t=YUM9aLLNgCQrrL3mByOftg&s=19

鹹水🌊 (@Salllllty_water) on X

He serves death
(sorry it was an idea came to me yesterday on tumblr)

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 5:06 PM

[thin ibex]

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[solemn gull]

Why Pete why!!! Trench crossing casemate 🤢

[finite compass]

Because sticking a big gun in a hull position knows no chassis limitations.

[solemn gull]

I was referring to the fact that the lower front plate is so exposed

[floral herald]

tbf it might just be a very heavy lower plate with a design like that

[mental birch]

https://pastebin.com/kH29cipP

[solemn gull]

Could be since everything in the imperium is “30 METERS THICK OF PLAKRETE CERAMITE” but you still have the issue of whatever round bounces off that front plate is going directly into the dirt infront of you instead of over the top of you, which would let it bounce into the distance.

[thin ibex]

To be fair, imperial armor design is not often about efficient armor angles

[jaunty dawn]

a lot of given armour thicknesses are laughably low too

[paper bluff]

It's about inefficient armor eagles

(Might be the most clever thing I say today)

[floral herald]

Why is that an issue?

Unless it’s like an ork bouncy ball shell if the direct impact didn’t pen the explosion nearby won’t

[soft willow]

I assume this is like the flyer graphic from the uplifting primer. It’s better for reasons, the commissar said so.

[hearty wasp]

Reading an internet discussion thread which was critical of how the the Imperium is portrayed as the heroic faction. Later parts included someone rewriting the Imperium in a way that was pretty cool imo

[paper bluff]

Well human perspective bias and all that

[floral herald]

I’m kind of skeptical that the Imperium is presented as a heroic faction

[hearty wasp]

Personally I think that the Imperium isn't shown as heroic but a lot of the settings heros are from the Imperium.

[tepid stratus]

There's a lot of stuff from non-imperium pov books that points out how monstrous the imperium is

[floral herald]

Yeah this is definitely a distinction I'd draw

[tepid stratus]

In Angron: Red Angel, the grey knights casually doom a world to try to settle a grudge against Angron

[soft willow]

I’d also say that a lot of folks can’t distinguish between “protagonists” and “good guys”

[floral herald]

There's a pretty good number of actually just heroic "Imperial" characters who fight in spite of the general awfulness of the imperium

[hearty wasp]

One of the big features of the rewrite was breaking up the Imperium in a more significant way.

[tepid stratus]

Not to mention the imperium is constantly fighting with itself for a myriad of reasons that don't even involve chaos or xenos. It's just so big we rarely see those conflicts

Entire sectors gone to war over taxes

[floral herald]

Yeah - like how the Land Raider Redeemer was invented to kill tax cheats who didn't even mean to do it

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/MalichtGT/status/1805214816593739988

[hearty wasp]

Basically. The Segmentum Solar is the most similar to canon Imperium. There are several rival Imperiums which aren't quite as dysfunctional/terrible. Most of the loyalist Legions ditched after Guilliman was wounded and were presumably never divided into chapters. Chaos is less dominated by the Chaos Gods, many of the traitor legions are not affiliated with the gods.

[spice flicker]

Working on plotting out progression for a tank+infantry crusade force in 250 point chunks and in the current step I am plotting i actually have 290 points to work with so which would you suggest? (For reference at this point I had 2 officers (no tank commander), 3 hellhounds, a standard Leman russ, a demolisher leman russ, and a trio of infantry squads)
A) standard Leman russ, engineseer, and infantry squad
B) Leman russ vanquisher, engineseer, and catachan squad
C) trio of hydras (no anti-fly in list so far)
D) a single rogal dorn with an engineseer
E) Double Leman Russ Vanquishers
F) Tank Commander plus infantry
G) Tank Commander plus hydra
H) 2 catachans, 2 castellans (or engineseers), and a hydra

[floral herald]

It's perhaps unfair for me to judge something I haven't read but I am extremely skeptical of 40k rewrites which make the imperium less awful

I've seen a couple and they generally seem to maybe paradoxically seem way more laudatory of fascism than the GW canon

If I were to take my own swing at it I would soften chaos from being incomprehensibly awful to merely bad, or at least put more of a range on it (kinda like how the Black Crusade RPG did it but broader and maybe more extreme) to make it so the Imperium and Chaos are approximately as awful as one another, or chaos is slightly less bad

To make another "viable alternative" to the Imperium's system

But also chaos being incomprehensibly awful is fun to write

[tepid stratus]

I like the interpretations of chaos being a spectrum from incomprehensibly awful to benign and esoteric with everything along that spectrum in some way feeding into chaos.

[floral herald]

Same, it just doesn't appear as much as I'd like

[tepid stratus]

The darkoath in AOS have a pretty interesting relationship with chaos. Living semi nomadic lifestyles and having a somewhat transactional relationship with chaos. Make an oath and as long as you're fulfilling it they'll help you, but mess up too many times and they start being fucking you over in kind.

"I swear to protect my land from the colonizers" can end with you being lauded as a hero jacked off khorne blessings or turned into a wilderfiend stalking the now colonized lands bound to the remnants of your tribe

[floral herald]

Yeah they're cool

1 of 2 factions I'm looking at collecting if I get into AoS

(The other is flesh eater courts)

I like the idea of a sort of moderate chaos which offsets the really intense ones

Like there's maybe millions of people in a hive city who may leave protein-packs out to spoil with a few words to the grandfather about relief from buboes because they all live in a toxic waste dump but while they know the tiniest bit about Nurgle the Death Guard are a bunch of extremist freaks

[hearty wasp]

Thats fair. Its from a Sufficient Velocity forum thread about how Chaos could be better written, possibly by making it less awful.

[floral herald]

Yeah I think there's more to change chaos

But I think that the Imperium's project was from the outset horrific, and it "inevitably" becoming a horrible stagnant corpse of itself is sort of important for the basic themes of the setting

Which is (IMO) that 40k's satire (as debated as this is) is that it presents a heavy-metal world where fascist history wins - an unending nightmare from which there is no hope of escape or relief

So a lot of attempts to "clean up" the Imperium come off to me at least as accidentally lending credence to the Emperor's authoritarian nightmare state he wanted before it all went to hell

[desert jay]

I think if you discard the pile of lore making up the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, you can make it work, but otherwise yeah

[floral herald]

Yeah that's fair, if you aren't including the HH (which I think is reasonable given how much it postdates the rest of the setting) then its definitely thematically easier to do

[solemn gull]

I dunno a lot of the protagonists are genuinely heroic for some reason at least from my perspective. Like Caine hangs out with some kroot and gets along well enough or there are a lot of examples of similar events.

[floral herald]

Yeah its not universal but there are a lot of actually decent or traditionally heroic protagonists in 40k

[thin ibex]

i do wonder, like... im sure theres a critical basis for it; but imperial characters generally think highly of hte imperium; but thats not an endorsement of the imperium

I think also a lot of imperial characters (not sm) think that the imperium is bad but its the better alternative to the rest of the galaxy

and sm are actively indoctrinated to be in the imperium's favor

[jaunty dawn]

characters (not space marines)

[thin ibex]

so characters will be portrayed reflecting these attitudes

[floral herald]

This seems to be the norm

Though honestly a lot of space marines don't really seem to have much of an opinion on the wider Imperium

Or are themselves sort of critical of it

Though I do think it's probably relevant that the most popular faction is functionally "allied" to the Imperium but is an independent fighting force which doesn't follow a lot of their precepts

While mainline "Imperium" factions are usually less popular

[lucid scarab]

In a recent book Deathworlder a lot of time is spent with philosophical bickering between a Genestealer cultist and a Catachan jungle fighter. It’s pretty interesting to me because it was so close to being an interesting in universe conversation about how overwhelmingly awful the imperium is that even noblemen who for all intents and purposes benefit from the fascism of the imperium would turn to a cult to escape

But it fell flat because most of it was tinged by the overwhelmingly more evil result of the Genestealer cult’s unwitting actions

[tepid stratus]

Yeah unfortunately it's hard to use GSC as a foil to the imperium when you know what the endgame is for them

[lucid scarab]

Well I think it’s importantly that their really endgame is not known by anyone inside the cult

And it’s arguable it’s “known” to the purestrains

So it’s easy to sympathize with them but it’s also a weird bit of metaphor that your only effective citizens uprisings against the imperium are devoured by something infinitely more destructive then the imperium when they are successful

Like chaos cults are usually not sympathetic at all, their worship of the gods ends up making them do evil stuff. The GSC are usually like, normal miners who joined a new religion promising freedom from the imperium

Miners doing a revolution against fascists are pretty sympathetic usually. Just undercuts everything since their actions lead to tyranid invasion unwittingly

[desert jay]

I've always wanted to write a genestealer cult that's in weird zone of being like a low-level revolution for two centuries and due to the efforts of the Inquisition and some dumb luck there's no actual hybrids surviving, it's all bog standard human recruits who are left and kept recruiting others with the rhetoric, and the Inquisition is perplexed at their inability to find "genuine" cultists anymore

And it's been so long, the current Inquisitor on the case was born on this world, trained by his predecessor, and has never seen a hybrid himself, the last one was discovered before he took up the rosette

[lucid scarab]

Thats a cool idea. Maybe part of the issue is that they've been cut off from the rest of the galaxy for a long time by a warp storm. Which would explain the lack of follow up by inquisitors and the lack of new nids showing up at least in part.

[solemn gull]

Gene-stealer (cargo cult) cult is a cool idea

[lucid scarab]

It would be cool to explore what a cult's beliefs would be even after losing the idols of their belief (purestrains, etc)

[jaunty dawn]

gsc that thinks blessings like a third arm are just a metaphor

[solemn gull]

Maybe just latching on to mutations in general? Like “hey this guy who lived near the waste plants has 3 arms! Maybe he’s a new prophet”

[lucid scarab]

The four armed emperor becomes a literal offshoot religion of the imperial faith

Four Armed Emperor reformation

[solemn gull]

Speaking of all this new necromunda genestealers just dropped again

[jaunty dawn]

hes just a guy

[floral herald]

Those models are so good

[solemn gull]

Also they have the Corpse Grinder masks rules

Too spooky to charge

[lucid scarab]

Kinda hard to see but I ordered some of these Genestealer sculpts by Drew Williams. I'm planning on using them for my 1e campaign which has a similar twist on GSC, the story goes that an imperial research facility accidentally Jurassic Parked some Tyranids, so a genestealer cult also spread. But these Genestealers being so cut off from the rest of the imperium just sort of keep on going on like nothing is wrong. So theres entire hybrid settlements on the planet who just think they're normal humans.

Thus the need for the child hybrid and the farmer guy

[south axle]

Imagine getting fist-bumped by this guy

[solemn gull]

He is going to be insane in combat I think, AP claw attacks and BIG FIST to pulverize scrawny gangers

[final tide]

I’ve gotta bunch of the old black orcs/ard boys I can probably throw together a good list if I get that battalion box,,, Hrmnn

Might need the boarboyz purely so I have somewhere to stick the warlord I built

And my roomies are inviting me to a 2e 40K league so I need to figure out how to make a DA list for that

[paper bluff]

I'm very much in the "there are no good guys in 40k" camp. I wonder what the Votann version of it will be.

[thin ibex]

something i was thinking about with the imperium talk is the idea that hte imperium is kind of consistently at war with itself in various ways. I don't think its often portrayed as a mainline thing

[floral herald]

I think the "we don't give a shit about you, give us your nice things and/or we'll kill you" covers them mostly

[paper bluff]

Because the Tau where in that same "oooh they're too noble bright for 40k" when they were introduced too

[floral herald]

You can at best have a mutually beneficial trade agreement with the Leagues

[thin ibex]

Honestly ive never gotten the vibe that the votann were too nice for 40k

[floral herald]

(Though this doesn't apply to the Votann as a whole - some of them have defected to the Tau for example)

[thin ibex]

they're like... hypermaterialists from day 1 on release

[floral herald]

But the leagues are ruthless and materially greedy

[paper bluff]

And the tau were "every one is equal in the greater good, but some are more equal than others" on release

[floral herald]

Ehh, the Tau have never said everyone is equal

[thin ibex]

rather everyone has a place xD

[floral herald]

Just that everyone has a place in it and can join

[paper bluff]

If some one thinks the imperium are the straight up good guys..... I think they might like Homelander from the boys

[thin ibex]

i do think tau portrayal in teh early days was maybe a bit more subtle than needed; but yeah they've been their own brand of bad for forever

[paper bluff]

Did the Lobotimized people everywhere to preform basic repetitive tasks and all the child taking not give away they're not great?

[lucid scarab]

I thought the vibe was that they were super capitalists or mercantilists. Profit above everything.

[paper bluff]

Seems to be. But no books yet from them yeah?

[thin ibex]

oh tangential but i often hear AoS is celebrated as being a bit more balanced than 40k; does that sentiment remain into the new edition?

[floral herald]

There's short stories but they have comparatively little lore

Which is a shame since the Codex doesn't have as much as I'd want

And codexes are always a little wonky to use for lore since they're always pretty glazing in tone

[thin ibex]

yeah its understandable that the dex would hype the faction they're for

but we have little else as far as lore for interactions with other factions

[lucid scarab]

I recently finished Infinite and The Divine and that book Glazes the necrons like crazy. Its very funny

[floral herald]

We've got some and the Kill Team booklets they get are great

[thin ibex]

tbf, Necrons within 40k SHOULD be glaxed tbh

[floral herald]

I should post some of the stuff from Termination

[paper bluff]

Honestly some of the best necron propaganda

[lucid scarab]

True. I didn't realize how cool their current lore is before reading I&D

[floral herald]

Honestly the Necrons have eventually landed on a really charming combination of eldritch horror and oldest man yaoi as a faction

[lucid scarab]

I had flashbacks to reading The Culture books reading I&D. Like Trazyn and Orokin are easily on the same level as a person from the culture whos got a ship mind as a friend. Just evil as fuck.

[floral herald]

I didn't super love the Newcrons when they first came out but they've grown on me a lot as they gain lore

[lucid scarab]

Oldest man yaoi faction is killing me

[final tide]

It’s such a good book

[lucid scarab]

very accurate

[lucid scarab]

Just make two absolute geezers fight and you're easily making one of the best 40k books lmao

[lucid scarab]

Master stroke to make some of the most powerful single entities in your setting freaking geezer academics

[paper bluff]

Just a petty rivalry they keep going for thousands of years if not millions and it's great

[hearty wasp]

So the rewrite/alt take. I shall talk about it a little because I am stubborn and have no one to talk to.
-Weirdest departure was making the Emperor a much better person. Who actually wasn't a human supremacist. The only thing he hated/feared was Chaos. Gave the legions a lot of autonomy while tunnel visioning a human webway with plans to reform the Imperium when completed. Including retiring the worst of the legions and setting up a civilian government.
-Chaos is a much more neutral force. The big four are dangerous corrupters. But Chaos itself is a more neutral force of change. Those who embrace it are fundamentally transformed into more of themselves.
-Horus "fell" because the Emperor told him that he wanted to reign in the legions/bloodthirsty primarchs. Horus like most Primarchs was perfectly fine being a boot stamping on the face of the universe embraced the power of ascension Chaos offered him.

[paper bluff]

Also the ork in that books were great

[final tide]

Hey also has anyone looked at 2e Warhammer in living memory

[lucid scarab]

Yes

[final tide]

Bc fuck I gotta learn it, can’t be that different from RT

[floral herald]

Yes but not with intent to play

[lucid scarab]

I've looked at the rules but haven't played yet.

[final tide]

maybe slightly easier to listbuild than RT

[floral herald]

I just poked through some of the PDFs to look at pictures ngl

[final tide]

Awww dang

[lucid scarab]

My understanding is that everything that sucks and is too complex in RT is sheared up in 2e

[final tide]

Well I gotta find them same pdfs then ahaha

[lucid scarab]

Like vehicles.

[paper bluff]

Aas that the warhammer fantasy of the 40k editions?

[final tide]

Idk the thing that mostly sucks in RT is having to build my own statblocks and cost per model per unit based on that

[floral herald]

That point one doesn't seem like a huge departure honestly - in the HH books at least the Emperor's feelings on aliens are not terribly prominent

[final tide]

The rest of the game seemed easy enough to walk through

[floral herald]

Not that it isn't a change but it doesn't change that much

[lucid scarab]

Yeah I've just found the best way to play is with a GM and straight up just roll your list randomly.

[paper bluff]

I hear great things about warhammer fantasy but respect people that play it like I respect people who write code. "That looks really complicated and I have no doubt it's easy to understand in theory. No I do not want to learn all of that"

[floral herald]

I think 2e makes listbuilding a little easier

1e was... so open ended with models

[final tide]

Unfortunately I am trying to throw a marine list that I haven’t really updated since 2006

At every edition

Three troop squads, a captain, a dread, and a tank

Let’s gooooooo

[floral herald]

For 2e you've also got Codex Angels of Death

Which is the first time the DA really got that much lore aiui

[lucid scarab]

Yep. Its bad if you're trying to play a balanced game without a GM, like the points totally aren't worth using imo

[final tide]

Oh that’s right, I can actually use my deathwing in 2e

Gotta BUILD them but still

[floral herald]

mood

[final tide]

my gf threw the new army box at my head and she’s threatening the same with the plush

her stores doing well so uh, go to the gw in Puyallup i guess

[past sphinx]

Legitimately i think I might be driving through there in a month or so

[jaunty dawn]

ooh bsdata has been updated for mfm and new codexes

[thin ibex]

Eyyy

The dataslate too?

[jaunty dawn]

ye

[spice flicker]

With kastelan robots being 2 for 190 and 4 for 360, is it worth the extra points and board presence to go 2x2 or just do 1x4?

[jaunty dawn]

is there a good strat for them

[spice flicker]

Not in particular that I can tell

[jaunty dawn]

auto divinatory could be something?

I thin with the added cost relative plus having to get 2 datasmiths instead of one 4 is probably the way to go

transcendant contagion could be fun with punch bots now

[still warren]

Amazing poster for pre-orders

[finite compass]

Not 2e, but I literally just dug up the 3e rulebook

Say what you will about being the edition that dialed up the grimdark and thus began the long slide into Missing the Point... I really got slapped in the face with nostalgia just by the artstyle.

All the random incidental Wayne England flavor drawings and such

[past sphinx]

in my mind this IS chaos

everything is derivative of this in my mind

[floral herald]

Yeah this stuff is iconic

[bold halo]

this is the one that really stuck with me from the 3e csm codex

[floral herald]

Ahhh, the chosen of Abaddon

[mental birch]

Trying to remember the image the lolmarines

Was referencing because I swear it's a reference

[finite compass]

Also from the 3.5 CSM codex it was the one portrait of a relevant marine on each page going over the 4 gods that really stuck in my head for me

Black and white in the book itself, but still

[bold halo]

that book was honestly packed with fantastic art

[past sphinx]

i do my best to not have the "better back when" grognardian mindset but digital art never seems to really capture stuff that working with a medium can

though dnd suffers far more than 40k

[floral herald]

Yeah a lot of digital art feels idk

Too polished and clean

For art which benefits from the grunge

[bright dove]

This is the art that unironically got me to stay in 40k for a good bit.

CSM was my first codex.

[desert jay]

We need to bring back this style of noise marine

[floral herald]

I have high hopes for the EC book

All the recent chaos sculpts have been Super Bangers

[desert jay]

Bare midriff, one boobplate sculpted onto the armor, face super fucked up, leg armor so tight it looks like leather pants

[past sphinx]

everything in a WOTC book has this weird lightbox effect, like promotional pictures for a movie sorta feel

boy i have hopes for the EC book

foolish and ignorant hopes

kinda baffled what all they need to add to make an actual army book out of them

Tzangors of course but what else really

theres gotta be a new lucious and a proper noise marine kit right?

[jaunty dawn]

hope they get a new dread

[floral herald]

I’m guess noise marines, some kind of elite CSM unit

Maybe Phoenix termies, maybe something else

Fulgrim

New Lucius

New leader model or two

Some kind of mortal cultist or some stripe unit

[finite compass]

Maybe something melee centric to back up the short-ranged shooty Noise Marine profile

Assuming they go with noise marines as noise marines have typically been

[desert jay]

They’d be Slaangors, but not necessarily, WE and DG don’t have beastmen

My pick would be a sonic tank but you still want more. Maybe a light/no armor speedy melee squad

[jaunty dawn]

death wheel!

[finite compass]

Sonic Dreadnought

(I still refuse to call it a Helbrute)

[past sphinx]

chaos bikers BUT only slannesh chaos bikers

just to fuck with me personally

[floral herald]

Call em… Doom Riders

Maybe not trademarkable enough

Deum Ryders

[past sphinx]

that would fuck hard tho

[floral herald]

Yeah honestly

I’d be here for it

[final tide]

Pestigors and Khornigors

[desert jay]

I mean the 40k codices don't have them

But yeah AOS does

[final tide]

I’m quoting my Old Texts but yeah they did give Khornigors back to the AoS khorne boys

Didn’t they,,,

[floral herald]

The kinda world eaters version is Jakhals

And maybe Poxwalkers for DG

[finite compass]

I'd say it's a weird choice, but this is modern GW we're talking about

Who kills AoS armies precisely because they're showing up in Old World, and would rather remove an army entirely than have one you can play in two games.

[bright dove]

I am still so angry about BoC.

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1254966531683516466/Nof8y_N6TX2peyvsIoqCb-7TdY0BLVZ5S4cd8SdKnfCRCvtAm0nYkTYkrrrR32yDu90vREut_LbKs1080-rw-nd-v1-mo-1.png?ex=667b6a29&is=667a18a9&hm=349b9261b4754db34ba4533e40979b90745b42890bc198cfb500281d589de0a7&

[upper canopy]

The concept of Horus being stoned until right at the end of the final battle is really funny

That wasn't him regaining his humanity right at the end he just came down and was like "Hey wait what the fu-"

[paper bluff]

A big "dude...... where's my crusade and legion...."

[paper bluff]

Idk if that will happen

Funny though that Fabius Bile is still CSM but not EC

[raw vessel]

I mean that fits lorewise, he was offered to lead a part of the legion again but turned it down when it was revealed to be a harlequin ploy. He's pissed off pretty much all of the traitor legions in some way but they still grudgingly work with him because his skills are that valuable.

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/ChumiiCham/status/1805263574492672088?t=hjc8CMx7NIqF89yg4R624Q&s=19

chum chum (@ChumiiCham) on X

chaos maids complete collection~ ✨👹

Twitter · Jun 24, 2024, 3:35 PM

[paper bluff]

I hope bile's next book will have Vashtorr. Would be fun to have those 2 talking. Bile wouldn't enjoy a second of it but what a debate it would be

[junior robin]

man this is a real conundrum

[still warren]

bull centaurs confirmed

[junior robin]

I hope you are right, that would be nice.

[floral herald]

Primaris Lieutenant with Bull centaru armor

[thin ibex]

Primaris bull lieutenant

That's right, primaris is coming to other factions and games

And they're all lieutenants

[pastel rampart]

Given the 3 circles there it could be Nurgle.

[junior robin]

true, it does have a mysterious 4th circle above it though 🤔

stealth nurgle

[thin ibex]

Lesser known cousin blurgle

[solemn gull]

The bell is also pretty nurgle-ey

[paper bluff]

Snarlfang expansion some one had guessed in a server I'm in

[desert jay]

I feel like the KSons one should have a big Bastet head

[pastel rampart]

Oh actually yeah that's probably it, the leather tassels match up.

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-MzNpMD1K8

Old, but still relevant

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/jetblackraider/status/1805551642726850788

jetblackraider 🐀 (@jetblackraider) on X

gillith doodle

Twitter · Jun 25, 2024, 10:40 AM

[uneven ember]

JBR is great

[desert jay]

Meanwhile the AdMech are like "radiation sickness is real and can hurt you" [points radiation gun]

[spice flicker]

Radiation doesn't hurt ad mech...but they'll make sure it hurts like hell for you.

[peak olive]

What have I done
Army: Orks (Mono Gretchin)
Units: 4
Models: 41
Point Cost: 470
-Killa Kanz (250)
-6 Killa Kanz
-2 w/Grotzooka
-1 w/Skorcha
-Mek Gunz (100)
-2 Mek Gunz
-1 w/Bubblechukka
-Gretchin 1 (80)
-20 Gretchin
-2 Runtherds
-Gretchin 2 (40)
-10 Gretchin
-1 Runtherd