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#Warhammer and Such
thin ibex
rocky shale
Why no 10 brick of wraiths? They don't fit in the falcons anyways.
spice flicker
I got falcons and wave serpents transportt capacity mixed up. Let me change things
still warren
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/23/the-hour-of-ruin-is-upon-us-this-is-what-it-means-for-the-mortal-realms/ some new lore, Nagash has an undead rat problem now lol
south axle
Azyr going "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" about the rats
still warren
Beastmen of unusual shapes
south axle
Do we think this will be the order for the first 4 factions?
still warren
Also from the map there are Hashut forge cities, chaos dwarves confirmed?
still warren
Do we think this will be the order for the first 4 factions?
Probably it's been following that order so far
south axle
The order so far has also just been the starter box so
bright dove
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/23/the-hour-of-ruin-is-upon-us-this-...
And in true Nagash fashion, this will inevitably undo a plan of his.
still warren
The giant trasheap that is the skaven afterlife is going to block the nadir like a cork, that's my halfbaked theory
upper bluff
Do we think this will be the order for the first 4 factions?
Yes they already confirmed yesterday that gitz are today
I would be surprised if nighthaunt wasn't tomorrows
spice flicker
How does this sound for a "final battle" for a crusade. All the players are on one side against a mixed amalgamation of an CSM (exclusively daemon engines), Necrons, ad Mech, and something else (all proxies for different things) all of which has a strong regeneration ability but low saves (4+ or 5+ on most things) led by a buffed Greater Brass Scorpion with lone operative. For the players they each start out with only 1k worth of units on the field (compared to the amalgamation army's 3k~3.5k) but each turn they roll a 1d6+# of objectives held and that result times 100 is how many points of reinforcements arrive up to the max of what is their crusade force at which point they stop rolling.
Objective is to take the 3 primary objectives (one in each deployment and center of no man's land) and hold them for 2 turns as well as kill the GBS (which is really just a proxy model for something else.) Once these two tasks are complete the players (sans myself as I was controlling the op-for) win likewise if they're tabled or lose control over all three primary objectives for 2 turns they lose.
Narrative wise this battle is just the core of each army's forces gathered for a final battle against the primary overarching threat to them all. Their reinforcements are being slowed by the threat's forces off the battlefield (thus needing to roll to reinforce as in whatever arrives was what was able to fight through and join the main force at the moment.) Just trying to come up with an idea for a potential final epic battle that can involve all the players so what do you think about this wall of text of an idea?
Also thinking of besides the primary trio of objectives, having two or three minor ones as well so potentially the players in each command phase could bring in essentially up (1d6+4)*100 or (1d6+5)*100 points worth of reinforcements of their respective army a turn if they can keep the hybrid army off the objectives that is. Might even allow the hybrid army to bring in reinforcements starting on turn 3 depending on how the battle goes. Thoughts?
floral herald
Yeah it goes pretty hard but that initial trailer was sublime
thin ibex
The bass reverb bit still gets me
rocky shale
I still have to finish the first game
floral herald
same
brisk mountain
I don't recall if I finished it or not... I think it was decently short iirc
solemn gull
I think I’m going to turn my current necromunda gang into a full army
Probably imperial guard since they are just normal human guys
solemn gull
I think they would make good scion proxies
upper canopy
pastel rampart
Glutes for the emperor.
floral herald
That Phobos underlayer is like wearing nothing at all
thin ibex
cheecked up on a thursday afternoon
finite compass
Stupid sexy Ultramarine...
floral herald
Ok so I just got nerd sniped
But I just realized that
It's long been sort of assumed that this generic phobos captain https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Primaris-Captain-In-Phobos-Armour-2020
Is Severus Acheran, the current Ultramarines 2nd company captain
But it was irritatingly not an official model or whatever
This guy from the new space marine 2 trailer is definitely that model and almost certainly Severus Acheran
So its nice to see that link more or less confirmed again
finite compass
On the one hand, he's not I CATO SICARIUS
But on the other hand, TTS thoroughly ruined Cato Sicarius for me.
(I can't help but read everything in the TTS voice)
floral herald
I thought the new second company guy exclusively wore gravis armour
See this is why it's been real ambiguous haha
floral herald
On the one hand, he's not I CATO SICARIUS
Cato's still around he's just not a part of 2coy
finite compass
I thought he disappeared
floral herald
No he's a part of Guilliman's personal retinue now
floral herald
Yeah he was lost in the warp but managed to escape
solemn gull
Where he escapes the warp and finds the feudal world
At the end of that book there is a epilogue where Calgar hears he returns but I don’t know if that is some point in the future
It would be nice if he was back in the current timeline
I like cato
floral herald
Cato's all messed now from the years lost in the warp so they basically gave him a prestigious ceremonial command where he can soft retire
solemn gull
Good for him
floral herald
(Victrix Guard)
solemn gull
Oh that feels like kind of a downgrade for him
floral herald
I'm reading between the lines a little bit its a very prestigious command
But also means less administrative overhead than a whole battle company
solemn gull
I guess, I don’t remember if he is a better fighter or commander to be honest
floral herald
He's one of those "good at everything" characters
solemn gull
I think it’s the former though since he was a “arrogant swordsman” archetype
I wouldn’t say he was ever good at everything
floral herald
past sphinx
tragic lack of Scrungle TM
all these guys have their entire face!
well not Severus
floral herald
Yeah the look is good but they could use some more scrung
finite compass
Titus rocking the four long-service studs tho
past sphinx
titus being the oldest man in that room is kinda funny
desert jay
I think it's a decent level of scrung even if it's not topping the charts
past sphinx
coin flip odds on Malum Caedo?\
wait no that man is still killing
aint got the time to rubicon
allso theres a powerfist in that trailer, im eatin good
thin ibex
def could use more random tubes coming out of their faces in weird places
but otherwise pretty sick\
spice flicker
tired cairn
Is their story just them being groggy and confused as to why weird red robbed people are stealing their kitchen appliances?
uneven ember
I keep feeling like the "rivalry" betwern AdMech and Necrons is pretty much the AdMech getting froathingly obsessive & the Necrons just going "...okay I don't know who you are but you're making this battle very uncomfortable."
finite compass
past sphinx
I keep feeling like the "rivalry" betwern AdMech and Necrons is pretty much the ...
ah yes tsundere machine botherers
thin ibex
My current irl 1k list
I feel like it's decently balanced
Made from the star strider box and and combat patrol, with one purchase of a broadside
Only narrative in unsure of is if the fire knife or starscythe fits better for my narrative
Of being a crisis team fighting block to block and tunnel to tunnel
I'm not certain if montka is the... right Detachment
Thoughts?
Also think a stormsurge would be good as i jump up to 2k?
I think alternatively I'd be looking at picking up a hammerhead because it's iconic
And then a contingent of kroot, and play a more go wide army
pulsar cairn
Yaaaaaay
pine matrix
https://fixupx.com/Focus_entmt/status/1793685352168763436
Changing my screen name to Alpharius and team killing right before the end of the mission
tired cairn
I kind of wish the progression was gsc -> tyranid invasion with a chaos fakeout. Though I guess having chaos makes sense for pvp
pine matrix
Honestly that would whip, love full chaos-warp-fuckery getting choked out by Nids
zinc field
playing as a tyranid would be pretty fun
thin ibex
We pretty much know that both chaos and nids are gonna be present in sm2 right?
upper bluff
Yeah, the original trailer also had thousand sons way out in the background
I think you could just barely make out their big head dress things
thin ibex
And then we have fully rendered khorne zerkers in promotional material
solemn gull
playing as a tyranid would be pretty fun
For some reason if there were playable tyranids I would want them to have For Honour combat
thin ibex
I wonder how that's gonna play out, I'm suspecting "we knocked out the synaptic nexus, woops it was the only thing stopping the chaos Incursion"
solemn gull
Or maybe chaos was going to attack but the nids arriving means they had to rush their plan and do whatever their mission was earlier then expected
tired cairn
I'm sure the tzeetch aligned chaos marines are all like "this is all according to plan"
tardy vault
Wasn't the first game "Orks but sike Chaos!"
past sphinx
But sike chaos is the first and second plot in gws box
Third being sike necrons
Fourth is it was orks and now its still orks
Not enough room for a 5th
Even the dawn of war games
thin ibex
Honestly, would have been sick if it was just orks and the plot twist was orky. Though I do think the 1st game absolutely needed a narrative pace change. Just wasn't super hype about it being chaos
Secret necrons would have been quite interesting
bright dove
I was fine with "Surprise, Chaos!"
thin ibex
Ultimately I was ok with it, I didn't have an extreme response
But I did have a little "of course chaos is here. Typical"
I didn't hate it
But I didn't love it
I felt it kind of undercut/down valued the threat the warboss and the orks represented
Which is a common situation orks find themselves in, playing second fiddle to the more serious threat
Though I do think the boss himself got a good showing
tired cairn
Hard to be the most serious threat when you are a bit of a comic relief faction
desert jay
Orks jobbin just a bit cuz it gets ya invited ta more fights
bright dove
I will also say there's only so much you can do with Orks in a shooter
solemn gull
I think orks are pretty terrifying, like their PoV stories are funny but to a average person they are horrifying
bright dove
Also, I wouldn't call that Warboss a jobber
If we hadn't killed him, he would have 100% murdered that Chaos Lord
desert jay
A good jobba makes it look good! Can’t be lookin like a pushova when ya go down!
past sphinx
If your gonna go over for somebody ya gotta nake it look grand
desert jay
(I’m not serious about this take, don’t worry)
thin ibex
personally, i think labeling the orks hte comic relief faction is a little bit unfair; yeah they have some goofiness, but when they were created, so did everyone. I'd put forward the idea that rather than directly comedy, they embrace absurdity
they have repeatedly been some of the biggest threats to the imperium there have ever been
past sphinx
Dropping onto an ork battle barge, meeting the warboss, crashing the barge and both of you surviving is one of the only things I clearly remember
thin ibex
fighting stormboyz from the gunner seat of a valk was pretty sick
past sphinx
And leandros being right
past sphinx
I wonder how many first time buyers space marine hooked
bright dove
Grimskull is dead 'ard, even by Ork standards
thin ibex
so obviously we have limited info regarding his waaagh, but from what i can tell, he'd be a warboss in mega armor leading a green tide detachment, but also has stormboys in it
we never fought a deff dredd did we?
bright dove
We did not
Part of why he was attacking a forge world (aside from the titan) was to get some good gubbins for dakka making
thin ibex
im doing a bit of modding, trying out "project ultra" and turning them all into grey hunters"
welp nvm, for some reason i cant launch it due to lacking permissions despite being the admin]
tired cairn
What if you run as admin? (if this is windows)
jaunty dawn
reiky no longer practically guarantees casts with a +3 to cast but instead gets an extra spell
not bad
guess it kinda depends if lifestealer sticks around
upper bluff
I feel like I should play night haunt. I'm interested in death factions and I like their always charge mounted thing. Also half these minis are the cheapest I have ever seen
If all minis were as cheap as these easy build ones I would have 3 armies already
jaunty dawn
even cheaper on ebay too still
lots of soul wars and the magazine too
especially chainrasps
rocky shale
Least deranged tsons player
cinder wraith
ebon forge
Guilliman truly has the best geneseed
topaz elk
GodDAMN
past sphinx
i wonder if theres still units with solar auxilia gear
past sphinx
thats interesting i didnt notice
breachers look almost like a second generation of the armor
runic swallow
Or they’re the only ones who kept the designs
jaunty dawn
both are void armour specifically
uneven ember
Saw that people were talking about the "Grimdark Tau" on general a bit ago, want to keep things confined, but
Did just want to throw out that a lot of the stuff that does get taken as textual evidence of Etherial mind control, if you go back and read it
A lot of it is Inquisitors going like "these Xenos claim to be doing this because they believe in the ideology they espouse, but I feel like mind control seems more likely."
thin ibex
iirc we dont actually have any textual causation, only a decription of the effect ethereals have on other tau
the ambiguity is somewhat intentional as i understand
how far back was tau talk anyway
uneven ember
Like three hours.
compact gate
keep in mind we don't know much about the ethereals beyond the fact they have a crystalline organ of unknown purpose in their heads, and that they're not one of the original tribes of t'au
thin ibex
we dont even have mind control direct confirmation in the farsight novels, and he effectively seceded from the empire because of the ethereal's influence and control of tau society
uneven ember
Yeah it was a while ago & in a different channel, I didn't want to take this out of containment.
I just roll my eyes at people getting really confident about the nefarious mind-controlling nature of Tau recruitment when, okay, some of the material does support that
But most of it's like "somehow these Xenos manage to convince starving conscripts to abandon the eternal glory of death in the Emperor's name for something as meager as food and housing; what nefarious brainwashing techniques might they be employing?"
finite compass
It's a bit like the thing with Ork technology working because they believe it should
And the main canonical source for that is an in-character thing in the 3e Ork codex that's basically a Tech Priest going "I have no idea how any of this shit could actually function, so it must be some sort of heretical xenos black-magic fuckery."
Which got fanonized into "Ork guns are just nails and junk in a hollow tube that shoots bullets because they believe it does!"
uneven ember
Yeah, exactly.
(& also needing an in-universe explanation for why "red paint" was a vehicle movement upgrade because "it's funny" apparently isn't enough)
finite compass
Ork logic is hilarious, however.
It goes faster because it's red
Of course, no self-respecting Mek would build a vehicle for speed, and then NOT paint it red.
finite compass
DoWII: Retribution
uneven ember
nice, nice
mental birch
T'au are worse than mind control
They're liberal interventionist
in a world where they aren't the premier superpower
finite compass
Tau are aggressively hegemonizing militant Confucist Borg
mental birch
That's very contridicatory to confucianism
As you Do not waste good iron making nails; do not waste good men making soldiers
😛
(I know I know it's just the Fire caste isn't disdained enough for that to really stick)
the accusations of confucianism
that is
I am also kinda joking that they're western powers/nato intervention coded
uneven ember
No I don't think you're wrong there
finite compass
That was more my goto in response to the oft-repeated (and flagrantly wrong) fandom joke that they're Communist
mental birch
like I feel like the original joke of the T'au was them being comically oblivious
to the grand and vast civilisations stretching around them
and treating them like small fry
uneven ember
I mean that was part of it, definitely.
These poor bastards thinking they're in a reasonable SF universe not realizing that they're in the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, trying to do the spunky young up-and-comers thing that humans get by default,
Out here going "we have guns, why would we use swords, that's stupid" "these guys say their empire has a million worlds, so that's clearly fake."
mental birch
I think the kroot are the biggest oblivious idiot example
uneven ember
& also just bucking most of the big trends for 40K faction designs
Young civilization taking its first steps instead of millennia-old empire deep into decline
Cosmopolitan instead of xenophobic
Clean Star Trek panels and curves instead of gothic nonsense
finite compass
Yeah. That was the joke. Cue a bunch of complaining they weren't dark enough from the people who didn't get it.
I THINK it was one of the Farsight books
But one bit I thought was very effective was a character encountering a Space Marine dreadnought, doing an analysis, and realizing that not only is there a hideously wounded living being surgically bonded to the inside of it, but said being is also older than Tau recorded history.
And having sort of a minor crisis moment
uneven ember
That is pretty cool
still warren
do you know which book that was? I've heard that same thing but it was about a Titan. I've never actually read a 40k book and those seem like one of the good ones
finite compass
lemme see if I can find it
Blades of Damocles
Tau Commander fights a human 'war drone' and goes to investigate
still warren
thanks!
finite compass
Milky fluid drizzled form the crippled war machine's chest unit, bubbling and popping in the electrical fires swathing its legs. Lubricant, thought Bravestorm. He zoomed in. The fluid was shot through with blood.
Something was moving inside the torso unit. Something broken and sick.
...
The creature that stared back made his breath catch.
A twisted and grotesque figure was trapped inside, all barrel chest and athropied stumps. It stared at him from sunken sockets, its undisguised hatred almost palpable. Wires and tubes penetrated its horrifically abused body in a hundred places. it wheezed, red-black fluids spilling from a broken jaw that worked and gummed as if it could click black into place through willpower alone.
...
His autotrans spooled, rendering the creature's slurred words in the Tau lexicon.
'- -DIE IN PAIN - - FOREIGN WORM THING - -'
...
The necrotic thing was human, or a close derivative. Extensive tissue damage, rejuvenation scars, and...
The commander looked again in horror.
Somehow, the vile thing was over six thousand years old.
A macabre realisation crept through Bravestorm's mind. This abomination had been trapped its armoured war-coffin long before the Tau's ancestors had first emerged from their caves. What manner of enemy were their fighting on Dal'yth? ```
past sphinx
most of the common knowledge xenos lore is either A. entirely out of context B. imperial players desperate to try to find reasons their not the worst faction so they use things like RPG books and video games C. From Xenobiology, a narritive written from the perspective of an Ordo Xenos inquisitior pyschopath
This all goes Thrice in hand for anything related to the Tau
thin ibex
thats not to say that ethereals DONT have some kind of nefarious mind control ability, but a lot of supporting examples are situations where you go "they didn't need mind control to be persuasive there"
and like i mentioned before, even in the tau novels written from tau perspectives, its never explicit
compact gate
there's also the issue of every imperium faction having numerous books by reputable authors each detailing every fine detail of their day to day experiences
while tau and eldar get like
1 author each
floral herald
most of the common knowledge xenos lore is either A. entirely out of context B. ...
Xenology is written from the point of view of a crazed xenophile admech scientist trying to justify his research to the inquisition
There's a lot of highly optimistic ways to fight various aliens he basically makes up
dense sedge
for example?
bright dove
I mean, I just accept that everyone in 40k will do something terrible at some point, because it's kind of the point of the setting. It shouldn't have any clear good guys. That's one of the reasons why early Tau bothered me. That, and I was a Khorne player and didn't appreciate them trying to avoid me getting into melee combat, the cowards.
mental birch
I mean, I just accept that everyone in 40k will do something terrible at some po...
I mean jokes aside they were already terrible in the early stuff
like people just dind't notice how terrible they were because it was a terrible they were profiting from implicitly
bright dove
No, you see, you really have to beat terrible into the head of 40k fans.
mental birch
And have seen on the nightly news
mental birch
sounds like a literacy problem 😛
bright dove
You cannot put "They're an Empire" next to the Imperium, Chaos, and Orks.
This is a setting with the Deldar
mental birch
They're a interventionist empire in the style of a certain global hegemon, in a world where they aren't the hegemon but still act like it
that's like inherently sensible chuckleworty
bright dove
They're next to literal baby-eaters.
In a setting where you have the Imperium being the fascist endless military state, Chaos with its literal demons, Orks with their desire to just kill people because its fun, 'Nids endless hunger, the Craftworld desire to sacrifice anyone else to avoid minor problems, the entirety of the Dark Eldar, and Necrons desire to exterminate all other life for their star-gods (the lore at the time)?
Going "This is the Evils of Empire" is just not enough punch in comparison.
floral herald
for example?
Killing orks with common fungicide (works on cultured cells!), the “root tyranid” is the ripper so genetically targeted bioweapons at rippers kill them all, that sort of thing
There's some more obscure ones but those were the two which stood out
bright dove
That is cute, yes
thin ibex
I think the situation has always been a more "being vaguely less bad is not the same as being good" coupled with people playing the ethical olympics with the factions in 40k for some reason
i guess cause some folk feel an obligation to try and play the good guys, so will go to greath lengths to define them and then go to bat for em
dense sedge
Killing orks with common fungicide (works on cultured cells!), the “root tyranid...
those are pretty great actually
thin ibex
You know, i wish they had added a new or reworked an old kroot named hero with the dex where they dropped the kroot detachment
brittle salmon
"old named kroot hero"
boss, I have bad news
thin ibex
Hey we had ankhor prok and dayak grekh once upon a time
bold halo
oh did they bring back the ork rule
finite compass
For a moment, I thought that was a speaker tower
pulsar cairn
ya know
those are orks
so it kind of is
not orks
khorne berserkers
still apply
lucid scarab
Gorka Morka time
finite compass
DIGGANOBZ
uneven ember
For a moment, I thought that was a speaker tower
DOOF WARRIOR STAY WINNING
finite compass
thin ibex
uneven ember
ohhh, I like
wintry mist
have they fixed the bugs in rogue trader?
uneven ember
So someone pointed out that there's a ship called Lord Solar Macharius in the Gothic War even though the Gothic War predates the career of Lord Solar Macharius by about 200 years.
This being 40K I decided to spitball some ideas to explain it. My favorites being
-Somebody's calendar is clearly wrong
-The ship was renamed, and records were altered to say it had always been called the Macharius.
-Warp shenanigans had the Macharius arrive in the Gothic Sector a few hundred years before it left.
-The ship and the general are both named after some dude named Sol R. Mack Arius.
past sphinx
all of time is kinda
fluid
big hole of unreality in the middle of the universe
wait no couldnt be it
maybe he named himself after the ship
uneven ember
There you go!
floral herald
Took a while cause I was scared of glue not fully setting but he’s ready
Fully magnetized Helbrute
Arms do sit better than that but I didn’t socket them right for the pic 
upper bluff
So the stormcast wizard guys, like the evocators got discontinued, right? Will they still have rules or do we not know
quaint compass
Most likely they'll go into Legends if they're being discontinued
upper bluff
Alright. I wasn't sure if sigmar had legends units. As long as they have rules I won't feel bad about grabbing soul wars for them and the nighthaunt guys
pastel rampart
I suspect they'll come back in the future with a model redesign that puts them in line with the current slimmed-down armor.
thin ibex
Tau model questions, the instructions for the ghostkeel day not to use glue on its elbow joints, but there's not much friction keeping it in place, is there a recommendation between gluing or like adding something to make it push fit better?
Or should I just glue it
thin ibex
hmm ok
i was thinking the same cause like
how often do i really want to repose the arm specifically
but also being able to remove the arm for storing/transport might be a thing
i guess theres no harm in leaving it unglued for now
maybe also it'll stick in better after painting
and i wont need glue
lucid scarab
the gang
spice flicker
Any ideas or advice on spamming as much plasma Weaponry in a sm army? Totally not going for a fallout Enclave inspired army....totally don't know what you're talking about.
quaint compass
Well, at the moment plasma weaponry is good at clearing out mid-to-heavy infantry, but lack the dakka to properly sweep through blobs of infantry nor main tank equivalents
I presume you'll be maxing out Hellblasters, which means you'll be losing a lot of hellblasters
spice flicker
As well as probably redepmtors, repulsors, devestators, and probably deathwing Terminators since can't they take plasma cannons?
quaint compass
Yup, one plasma for your cannon per 5
spice flicker
1990/2000 points
Inner circle task force
Terminator captain, relic fist, Storm bolter, warlord
Terminator captain, relic first. Storm bolter
3x5 deathwing Terminators, plasma cannon
2x5 hellblasters
1x redemptor dreadnought, Macro Plasma Incinerator
3x repulsor executioners, Macro Plasma Incinerator
2x impulsors
lucid scarab
I love the 2e Zoanthrope. Vibin' across the battlefield
I tacked the arms on and he literally looks like an evil mage casting a spell, it’s so good
pastel rampart
upper bluff
Skaven are so fun. Who doesn't love rats with mad science
still warren
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/27/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-faction-focus-cities-of-sigmar/ Good news elves and dwarfs aren't getting rejected from cities with even getting orders that give them extra bonuses. But they're all old world models they have to get some new ones for CoS soon right?
unreal cosmos
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/ZKtioRgqCDc1sqXb.jpg I'm really into the way the Spearhead box armies seem to be painted differently from the house standard
thin ibex
A friend has about 195 points to hit 1k on their irl astra militarum list, Catachan themed. What's on the list of options? I figured the easiest thing would be to get another leman russ
Most are shy of 200
But I figure a hellhound and enginseer might be on brand
sweet solar
for catachans i love sentinels
upper bluff
Sentinels aren't bad. They're a regiment unit so they have a little synergy with the leaders
2 armored sentinels and an engineer is 185 points
lofty warren
i guess theres no harm in leaving it unglued for now
Magnets
thin ibex
I'm just not sure how to cut out the space I'd need to magnetize it
floral herald
There's probably a guide online
uneven ember
I guess you get to go Aliens on the genestealers in the new necromunda box
They're coming outta the goddamn walls!
Twitter
pine matrix
https://x.com/jetblackraider/status/1794955213092364436
Average Dracon
uneven ember
Dracons every day worrying that your swag too different, they'll kill you
dense sedge
are those in the box or are they adds ons?
tired cairn
Sabotaging my Drukheri enemies by sending fashion illiterate messengers
south axle
are those in the box or are they adds ons?
I think they are add ons, like the ruined terrain will be
upper canopy
imagine being so drab as an archon that the guy behind you is mistaken for you
"Oh fuck the leader of our Kabal lacks Swag, kill him"
tired cairn
Dracons get really nervous on casual Fridays
uneven ember
"We're not doing anything fancy" = "you need to work harder to make sure you're looking like you didn't work hard at all"
thin ibex
His archrocs
quaint compass
Drukchroci
pulsar cairn
ya think the plague skaven actually worship nurgle?
or did they legit steal shit from him for selfish reasons as always
bright dove
Clan Pestilens does have the Nurgle keyword iirc
i do know they stole a cauldron from nurgle
finite compass
It used to be hazy
The same way Khaine and Khorne used to be.
But later editions removed a lot of the deliberate mysteries and inconclusiveness. For better or for worse.
past sphinx
Who's a provably real diety
he sold me a dime bag behind the 7/11 of course hes real
uneven ember
Looking at some of the BFG fluff
I love the way battleship construction winds up like medieval cathedral projects
Where it's often generational, and can just stall out for however long when the funds run out for a while
floral herald
Hahahaha
thin ibex
The trick is to give egret Xenos faction a "marine" of some kind
uneven ember
The thing to me about female Space Marines is that, one the one hand, I kind of like them as a kind of parody of masculinity, just a SF supersoldier version of what you'd get if you asked an emotionally maladjusted twelve-year-old to design a cool dude, giant roided-out murder machines with steel bones, acid spit, and an emotional range from "stoic" to "angry"
but since they're also the poster boy of the setting and unironic heroes of the majority of GW's written material that idea of Space Marineness doesn't really hold and it's just making the biggest part of the franchise a boy's only club
thin ibex
Thoughts on invasion fleet theme list?
jaunty dawn
oh interesting
kharadron no longer have 40k style transports
instead a bunch of movement tech using their skyvessels
mental birch
24"+d6" movement
With a single sky vessel
Roughly
With enough transports you can slingshot your boats everywhere
mental birch
kharadron no longer have 40k style transports
Also gives them fall back and shoot
On infantry blobs supported by boats
thin ibex
so the infantry stick around but are wicked quick with extra transports?
jaunty dawn
so instead of them leaving the board
and being 'inside' a transport
there's a series of abilities that allow you to redeploy units that are nearby a transport before it moves
effectively like the 40k equivalent would be an ability that allows a unit to embark, tranport moves, unit disembarks
thin ibex
interesting
so they dont want you to shelter the units inside something, but otherwise still get the mobility offered
jaunty dawn
the previous was effectively like hacking in transports for only one faction basically
kind of
based on the rules for occupying defensive structures
mental birch
Yeah
This is good
Though I am worried about
Just how much faster this made boat dwarves
They are speeeed
jaunty dawn
do still have a bit of the defensive quality though
mental birch
Also tau energy now
thin ibex
maybe similar army design philosphy for a heavily ranged army
mental birch
It's the ridiculous mobility
thin ibex
i imagine its because with a ranged army, you kind of end up with either "castle up" or "let em move"
and they want to avoid shooting castles?
mental birch
Fair
junior robin
finally, chaplain grenade
quaint compass
So I'm getting into necro mundus and I'm bouncing between Goliath and Corpse Grinder Cult
I lean mostly into Corpse Grinders on all fronts except they are a very limited faction, which only get to use ranged weaponry on their juves
Which is pretty meh
mental birch
Yeah
quaint compass
but they're hella sexy
tepid stratus
effectively like the 40k equivalent would be an ability that allows a unit to em...
This is good, thunderers hiding inside boats all game were exhausting to deal with
tepid stratus
Yeah but now I can actually charge and kill thunderers without having to chew through a whole boat first. I'm willing to let them have a little speed if it means I can punt their little asses
jaunty dawn
article says you can't move and redeploy in the same turn
but there is the like leapfrog effect yeah
mental birch
article says you can't move and redeploy in the same turn
Yeah I was talking about leapfrogging
jaunty dawn
very dependent on board state for the maximum potential mind
jaunty dawn
I play nighthaunt so I'm just like excited to not have to do the retreat dance at all haha
mental birch
Retreat dance? Just grab the boat
tepid stratus
I await to see if the great Orruck divide is happening or not. They haven't gotten to any of my factions yet
mental birch
Yeah but now I can actually charge and kill thunderers without having to chew th...
You could always do it?
Just charge thr boat and attack the thunderers
tepid stratus
You could always do it?
Technically yes but they got defensive buffs for being in the boat
mental birch
Yeah
tepid stratus
Now they can't hide
But admittedly it was fun to circumvent the cover by running an exalted bladebringer with a 3d6 charge and double charge damage into it and delete the unit inside without hurting the boat.
solemn gull
So I'm getting into necro mundus and I'm bouncing between Goliath and Corpse Gri...
The juves are pretty good though with their infiltrate, I’ve given mine hand flamers
I do think Goliath are funner to play though
quaint compass
How so?
thin ibex
Admiral! Question, you have a better view on like competitive. While I'm not planning on competing myself, I'm considering a stormsurge for my IRL list, potentially. (I don't know if you mind being pinged so im erring on the side of not pinging you)
I figure at the bottom line, its a nice way to bump towards 2k without a lot of purchases
and no matter what its got a lot of wounds and a big gun
though it limits my army building a lil bit im sure
I'm still planning to get another broadside, and probably a hammerhead (its iconic)
and i want some kroot rampagers because of vibes
solemn gull
How so?
Just the way you can change them with the gene stuff. And you could make them chaos and still get have the stuff you would from playing corpse grinders
jaunty dawn
goliath corpse grinder kitbash!
past sphinx
So I'm getting into necro mundus and I'm bouncing between Goliath and Corpse Gri...
juves can still pack serious heat
hand flamers, plasma guns
mean bastards
soft willow
Jumping into a short necromunda campaign myself soon. Can confirm don't count your little guys out.
mental birch
Admiral! Question, you have a better view on like competitive. While I'm not pla...
For comeptwtivw? Sadly no
Too big
Too slow
Paying for the sins of 10e Knights
Too expensive 😦
thin ibex
that makes sense yeah
thoughts on the wider world of casuals or like irl points to dollar efficiency?
thin ibex
im not sure if its a fun way to fill out up to 2k in like an easy way
mental birch
It's very funny
thin ibex
i have about 1.1k poins now
and it seemsl like, surprisingly affordable
to lock in an extra 400 odd points with a single model
mental birch
What's the theme you're building towards?
thin ibex
my theme is a custom sept of hive city fighting fire warriors. The commander is a student of montka but hasnt neglected the other paths in his training
story wise the hive city surrendered to the tau empire relatively peacefully, but malcontents, cultists, and xenos are cropping up everywhere
and its their job to bring it under control
i figure hte mental image of a stormsurge as the forces like "mobile hq" force projection unit
and looming behind like a giant pipe's water fall
are cool images
the logic is that wherever the surge is is a significantly more secure sector that coordination can happen from
mental birch
Oooh that could work
thin ibex
obv this would stop me from having a more like... rounded out table force, but i can get the other models over time
it feels like a nice one stop shop
on my journey to 2k
and its decently powerful to stand up against buddy's like big boys
its also a bit funny i would bet you
that a damage 12 gun makes my opponent more scared than he needs to be
i know my opponent would prolly be a WE player and is rolling angron and a lord of skulls
stormsurge can blast a lord of skulls i think
upper canopy
So I'm getting into necro mundus and I'm bouncing between Goliath and Corpse Gri...
Sierra during our necromunda game I played with Alfa and them the campaign ended in large part due to the fact that I could not stop winning as CGC
I had like an 80% win rate
unreal cosmos
Suffering from success
quaint compass
That cautionary tale is one part of the hesitance
unreal cosmos
The power of some Hungy Lads
upper canopy
My leader Butcher Pete once killed 3 guys in melee in one charge
quaint compass
Good man
solemn gull
Jumping into a short necromunda campaign myself soon. Can confirm don't count yo...
Juves always end up carrying the team, little bastards are the only ones hacking terminals or hauling crates
soft willow
Especially since I'll be playing Ironhead Prospectors and they're the only shits that can get there in time.
solemn gull
I think I went on hiatus right around when prospectors came out what are they like?
I imagine slow with big guns
jaunty dawn
pretty much everything they have has storm
soft willow
Yeah lots of shooting, and lots of shots per shot as it were.
Also good armor and tough.
But they suffer on initiative and movement.
Here's goonhammer's breakdown: https://www.goonhammer.com/necromunday-gangs-of-the-underhive-ironhead-squat-prospectors/
thin ibex
what do yall think would make a cool tau superheavy aside from the stormsurge and tau nar? We're not counting hte manta xD
floral herald
Like as a model to buy or hypothetically?
quaint compass
VORGH
floral herald
I think a space AC130 would be a fun Tau Sheavy
quaint compass
That's the Manta
jaunty dawn
plastic tigerfish
solemn gull
Here's goonhammer's breakdown: https://www.goonhammer.com/necromunday-gangs-of-t...
Good read, I like Goonhammer’s stuff. I think they would kill me if I ever took a heavy flamer though.
floral herald
That's the Manta
Manta is a transport with forward firing guns
I mean more like an Orca with a Railcannon hanging out the side
Except probably bigger since the Orca isn't really a Sheavy
Although a Tiger Shark with like 20 burst cannons on the bottom would be funny
upper bluff
I would love if tau aircraft got attention this edition
But GW hates aircraft now so
upper bluff
They seriously should've gotten an aircraft detachment. I love how the taus answer to knights and titans are just put the biggest gun on the fastest plane
thin ibex
Gun orca would be cool
see but thats not REALLY the case anymore, the tau's answer to knights is bigger, slower suits now (i still have mixed feelings about this)
upper bluff
Is it? I thought the Tau nar was more of a walking orbital defense
thin ibex
iirc the tau nar and the stormsurge are the answer to imperial superheavy walkers, while the AX10 was an experimental answer to titans, meant to work in pairs to work over an imperial titan
floral herald
It'd be too easy if GW recognized the power strike aircraft have over heavy and Sheavy AFVs on the ground
Admittedly a lot of ground-based sci fi wargames bend over backwards to make this so
Because "cool robot killed by 2000 lb laser guided JDAM from 35k feet" isn't very fun to have models play out
thin ibex
yeah theres absolutely a practical aspect to it
i know also that the adoption of big robot can be seen as an adaptation/evolution of the tau war philosophy, but personally im of the opinion that the ax10 was a clearer adaptive example
I wouldn't mind a tau superheavy drone
jaunty dawn
plastic remora
thin ibex
similar role to a ac130 in the idea of like a hovering loitering support platform
effectively a weapons carrier that responds to ground level firepower or resource requests or something
mentally/mechanically inspired by like... a uav crossed with a cathayan war/observation balloon
i do think a xeno bio form that goes mano y mano with knights would be cool
maybe with tau made armor harness
solemn gull
Admittedly a *lot* of ground-based sci fi wargames bend over backwards to make t...
Meanwhile battletech tank meta
floral herald
Btech does a lot of that too!
My personal bugbear with the setting is how weird it has to get to explain why strike aircraft haven't rendered the assault mech essentially obsolete
solemn gull
True
thin ibex
i guess also from a modeling opportunity the stormsurge might be a good opportunity to like experience painting up a larger model
but man how tf do i trasport one, in a shoebox?
floral herald
Haha
I was assembling some terrain yesterday and as I was finishing up I was like “how do I transport this it is 14 inches tall?”
pastel rampart
Ideally you have said large model magnetized along the bottom of the base and have a case to which it can sit in.
Which doesn't even have to be special or expensive, just get yourself a plastic bin with a lid from friggin'...Target or Walmart or whatever, glue magnetic steel sheets to the underside of the lid and bam.
jaunty dawn
or a toolbox
pastel rampart
That too.
floral herald
I'll take a pic soon its such a tall piece
thin ibex
so im NOT supposed to have come apart for easier storage?
floral herald
I should probably find a way to detach the parts of this one but its kinda w/e now
solemn gull
I make my large terrain hollow so I can fit the small scatter inside of it
past sphinx
My personal bugbear with the setting is how weird it has to get to explain why s...
Precision strike munitions are just terrible in battle tech, tracking systems are pretty poor all around.
that and all the radiation makes things hard on sensors depending on the time period
floral herald
Yeah that sort of thing is the bending over backwards I mean
tired cairn
I like how Dropzone commander's handwave was forces deploy various antimissile countermeasures over the battlefield so missiles are useless beyond long ranges and aircraft have to fly very low to the ground (like, high rise building height)
past sphinx
JAGERMECH
thin ibex
also im really on the fence on if i want to pick up a riptide at all
i know that ill probably rock n roll with the heavy burst cannon despite the juicy 4 damage ion gun
pastel rampart
floral herald
Yeah I imagine they do lol
pulsar cairn
i cant spell
floral herald
Oh no I just mean they literally are Cadian storm troopers
upper canopy
Correct
pulsar cairn
i see 
mental birch
best thing to do to world eaters
is kroot jail as T'au
did you know all other phases happen after the movement phase
😛
quaint compass
Not the command phase!
raw vessel
brittle salmon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115091726286200872/1244999124890419372/R...
whuh
jaunty dawn
warmaster side person is like ah spycraft a most dangerous game
raven guard is just quickscoping ppl
thin ibex
Raven guard might have the most experience amongst the chapters as far as knowing how to stretch a penny, so to speak
floral herald
I don’t think the “if it’s gay it’s slaanesh” joke is a good look at all
Don’t make that sort of joke again.
pulsar cairn
wont happen again
jaunty dawn
oh damn
big change
and confirmation that one replacement is a universal rule
this is fun
oh and pink horrors and blue/brimstone are now seperate units. pink horrors dying can revive blue horrors or just explode
solemn gull
I just learned you can pair an orlock wrecker with a legendary name allowing them to take no fall damage.
I’m going to goomba stomp someone in my next match
floral herald
Ooh
upper bluff
That apm launcher actually looks pretty good
And evasive infiltrators is awesome for votann
floral herald
One attack on BS4+ is a little unfortunate but you’ve got grudges and such for rerolls and it’s got a good damage profile
upper bluff
I was moreso just looking at anti vehicle 3+ strength 6 with ap -2 . Normally antivehicle stuff is 4+ with disappointing ap
Also strength 5 shotguns are awesome
And 6" movement is unique for votann
Sv 5+ is kinda icky though
floral herald
Oh damn i missed the tshirt armor
soft willow
T5 kinda helps, but yeah the armor on them sucks.
At a low enough point cost though? Could be worthwhile.
quaint compass
They'd be resistant to most anti-infantry weaponry
But anything that wants get rid of squats they'll bring decent meq removal
pastel rampart
soft willow
But anything that wants get rid of squats they'll bring decent meq removal
Yeah I won't be counting on them to live if they get shot at.
pastel rampart
paper bluff
I've got my first new codex game of custodes coming up. Wish me luck
tepid stratus
I've got my first new codex game of custodes coming up. Wish me luck
Good luck! If it's any consolation I went 3-0 at a doubles tournament over the weekend playing custodes partnered with nids. My list was Trajan, Valerian, blade champ, bike captain and 3x allarus captains in auric champions. Boys actually put in work
paper bluff
01 test talons (1995 points)
Adeptus Custodes
Strike Force (2000 points)
Talons of the Emperor
CHARACTERS
Aleya (75 points)
• 1x Somnus
Blade Champion (130 points)
• 1x Vaultswords
• Enhancement: Aegis Projector
Shield-Captain (140 points)
• 1x Guardian spear
Shield-Captain (140 points)
• 1x Praesidium Shield
1x Pyrithite spear
Shield-Captain in Allarus Terminator Armour (140 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Balistus grenade launcher
1x Castellan axe
BATTLELINE
Custodian Guard (180 points)
• 4x Custodian Guard
• 4x Guardian spear
Custodian Guard (180 points)
• 4x Custodian Guard
• 4x Praesidium Shield
4x Sentinel blade
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Anathema Psykana Rhino (75 points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Storm bolter
OTHER DATASHEETS
Allarus Custodians (195 points)
• 3x Allarus Custodian
• 3x Balistus grenade launcher
3x Castellan axe
Custodian Wardens (200 points)
• 4x Custodian Warden
• 4x Guardian spear
1x Vexilla
Custodian Wardens (200 points)
• 4x Custodian Warden
• 4x Guardian spear
1x Vexilla
Prosecutors (100 points)
• 1x Prosecutor Sister Superior
• 1x Boltgun
1x Close combat weapon
• 9x Prosecutor
• 9x Boltgun
9x Close combat weapon
Prosecutors (50 points)
• 1x Prosecutor Sister Superior
• 1x Boltgun
1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Prosecutor
• 4x Boltgun
4x Close combat weapon
Vigilators (125 points)
• 1x Vigilator Sister Superior
• 1x Executioner greatblade
• 9x Vigilator
• 9x Executioner greatblade
Witchseekers (65 points)
• 1x Witchseeker Sister Superior
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Witchseeker flamer
• 4x Witchseeker
• 4x Close combat weapon
4x Witchseeker flamer
paper bluff
Good luck! If it's any consolation I went 3-0 at a doubles tournament over the w...
I'm going tontey the list above
thin ibex
I have a bit of trouble figuring out what the detachments encourage me to build around with the stodes
Except for the talons
Which obv want me to have a squad or three of sos
upper bluff
Yeah, the sisters of silence aren't enough to have an entire detachment for them and the rules are working against auric champions
You can't just have a lone shield captain or blade champion because their abilities need them to lead a unit and there aren't any battle tactics for shield captains to abuse
brittle salmon
Custodes really got the short end of the stick this release cycle, unfortunately
upper bluff
Maybe 11th half their units won't cost $400 and be in plastic
past sphinx
Maybe 11th half their units won't cost $400 and be in plastic
the paw curls and they will simply be discontinued instead
upper bluff
I would rather have that than a single more grav tank be sold. If they were actually made from gold maybe that price would be acceptable
past sphinx
every once and a while i am gut checked by the canonical 40k cat people
i distinctly remember the first adventure for dark heresy has as a central feature a large statue of a Felid imperial saint
paper bluff
every once and a while i am gut checked by the canonical 40k cat people
There is a very good reasons there are no GW offical depictions
I get more gut checked that Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau is still considered a Canon inquisitor
solemn gull
Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau needs a new appearance
Give him the best stat line possible and a series longer then the heresy
thin ibex
You know it'd be cool if they had more non chapter master/ general/boss type heroes and more lieutenant/ number 2 guy style heroes
You can only have so many chapter masters/ captains
mental birch
Not the command phase!
The phases where things die that is
desert jay
One chapter master per chapter, but unlimited chapters!
dense sedge
i distinctly remember the first adventure for dark heresy has as a central featu...
wait really? I'm guessing that they're furry cat people like khajits?
past sphinx
wait really? I'm guessing that they're furry cat people like khajits?
more or less, theres basically nothing on them
solemn gull
You know it'd be cool if they had more non chapter master/ general/boss type her...
Please no more Primaris Lieutenants GW….
paper bluff
imagine an Iron kin named character
thin ibex
i dunno, i dont mind a named lieutenant as much, but really just cool to have like #NotInCharge guys
so you can have YOUR guy leading the named guy
paper bluff
the tau have..... 2? 3? named characters now?
south axle
Aun Va be gone
Aun Shi also got axed, no?
thin ibex
Oh yeah he's gone too
I liked him
Though he wasn't very good, objectively
I wonder if you'd see any tiger shark ax10 rep if knights somehow go back up to top 3 in the win rates
It still can't cap objectives
And can probably be shot down reasonably easily
Honestly also anti titanic 3+ on str26 guns feels completely irrelevant
Since you're probably wounding on a 2+
plucky token
that does feel like something more likely to be relevant against actual straight up titans, yeah
thin ibex
Ah well, cool model, probably more fun on like more wild non standard games like extra big maps and huge point limits
ebon forge
paper bluff
I wish I liked the helbrute model because it's a decent unit in world eaters
quaint compass
I just use contemptors as proxies
thin ibex
You know, I feel like nightlords probably have figured out how to make it scary, yet I can't take the wing helmets seriously
past sphinx
You know, I feel like nightlords probably have figured out how to make it scary,...
I like em specifically because yheir goofy
thin ibex
They are so very goofy
Which I suppose credit to nightlords for being so scary that the self nerf doesn't slow em down
solemn gull
so you can have YOUR guy leading the named guy
Why not just use the statline of the named character but call him “Sblorpus II The Dread Lord”
thin ibex
cause i can customize the loadout for my guy
solemn gull
That’s fair
jaunty dawn
ogors have two states - actively eating, or hungry
new rules: they can eat one time and then theyre like nah im fine thanks gonna sleep this off
storm schooner
but they can always run into people, that classic ogor move
storm schooner
Perhaps the enemies are simplier tastier rather than the ogors being less hungry
jaunty dawn
we enter the age of the succulent
spice flicker
Tau bomber focused list?
thin ibex
Yeah tried to do a drama list of a primarily infantry force embattled and the airforce swooping in on the 3rd and 4th round to "rescue" them
I don't think it functions well, but it felt cool
paper bluff
Flyers not the best in this edition
tired cairn
They should just make them all hover (with deep strike) and treat them as normal units imo
past sphinx
Oh new edition finally solving ogor gluttony?
rats get a refresh in an edition where they cant run away and now ogor cant even have a 5th lunch with the lads, the west has truely fallen
upper canopy
billions must die
past sphinx
england will fall into the sea
solemn gull
Is Warcry or Warhammer Underworlds axed?
Someone told me one or the other was being discontinued
quaint compass
solemn gull
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174455607655420007/1245787287200206978/2...
Fallout supermutant vibes
quaint compass
Converted the Jakhal Dishonoured into a Skinner/Cutter for my Grindset Cult
quaint compass
I was hungy
solemn gull
How are you finding them?
quaint compass
Online, but I'm just getting started
Haven't even murderkillfought yet
Cool as hell though
jaunty dawn
Is Warcry or Warhammer Underworlds axed?
no
solemn gull
Haven't even murderkillfought yet
Keep me posted please, I’m really curious on if they are good for long term campaign play or if they are just stagnent
unreal cosmos
Oh Jakhals as Grinders is a great idea
quaint compass
Only the Dishonoured really -bashes well into the large grinder fighters, but you got juves out the wazoo!
unreal cosmos
Growing lads and lasses
pastel rampart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174455607655420007/1245787287200206978/2...
Hell yeah. Tissue paper on the model?
quaint compass
Masking tape
Pete the Wargamerite had a real neat conversion for a Tallarn and he used that
pastel rampart
Huh! Probably easier than tissue.
pastel rampart
I haven't used tissue for that but I've used it for cloth draped over boxes and stuff, which works well even if it takes forever to dry.
pastel rampart
floral herald
Oh nice
thin ibex
plucky token
chaos reigns 
floral herald
Yeah
It’s such a good model it’s just overcosted underarmed and designed to do something armies don’t need haha
floral herald
That variant helps yeah
thin ibex
I actually do like that the night lords battle shock interaction might be of consequence
floral herald
I actually think it’s pretty good
But not reliable
But the effects are real good IF they work
While a lot of Bshock armies struggle with unreliable mid effects
thin ibex
If it happens frequently enough it can shut out stratagems or eat cps, and if you can get enemies to be at -2 in the command phase, flip obj at bad times
floral herald
And you have shit like “full rerolls vs Bshock”
thin ibex
Side note I love the new warp talon rule
If they finished killing they just poof into the night
thin ibex
I was surprised but not displeased to see that the iron legions rule is "we're tough as fuck" rather than "vehicles go"
thin ibex
Oh for sure, just that warpsmiths were kind of their thing which led to vehicle
I do still consider a vindicator or two mandatory on iron legion theme list
I admit, alpha legion gave me all the excuse I need to go "oops almost all legionaries"
brittle salmon
I think Soulforged Warpack can also represent IW with a bit of minor reflavouring
Ditch the whole contract aspect and make it unique bindings goading the daemon into a frenzy or something
thin ibex
Something about the iron legion to me screams belching smoke, cordite, ash, and flash heat, so I often prefer not to give them lascannons or plasma. Though I also understand the need to bring lascannons to answer the heaviest threats
desert jay
Ditch the whole contract aspect and make it unique bindings goading the daemon i...
I think even the contract flavoring can work, it makes IW very… transactional with daemons
thin ibex
It is weird to me that chaos has no indirect fire
Also, are defilers iron legion vibed?
I like defilers but I wasn't sure
desert jay
It is weird to me that chaos has no indirect fire
Death Guard does but… yeah you’re right huh. Little to none
thin ibex
Also also, havoc with chain guns in renegades Detachment seem hella fun
Also bikers with flamers
runic swallow
Death Guard does but… yeah you’re right huh. Little to none
Back in my day we could take Medusas…
uneven ember
Also, are defilers iron legion vibed?
I feel like any Daemon Engine has Iron Warrior vibes
rocky shale
Spilled my first pot of contrast paint 
thin ibex
Back in the day IW could take Basilisks
It's an opportunity now! To get their own chaos arty instead of a shared pool one
Though I do don't know what it would be specifically
finite compass
I think csm should have *something*
Can Defilers not do it anymore?
thin ibex
Nah they just have a battle cannon
finite compass
I miss the LatD list...
thin ibex
Being silly
thin ibex
oh hey yeah
there they arte
are*
the one csm arty
inderect melta lascannons ARE a bit spicy, i like that
thin ibex
i noticed oblits are also capped at 2 guys
instead of 2-4
oh, no waha still says 4... hmm
new recruit may be incomplete?
thin ibex
ah ok
halo hunters vibes
i wonder if someone was doing a halo covenant full conversion army, if csm would be the right fit
thin ibex
tau also comes to mind but theres no way to represent sword elites
floral herald
i wonder if someone was doing a halo covenant full conversion army, if csm would...
They’re a pretty good one
One of the armies which is flexible and has a bunch of “weights” of units similar to the covenant
junior robin
jaunty dawn
really feels like the skaven theme is can you kill the enemy faster than you die to your own stuff
junior robin
like the good old days
still warren
From the wording it looks like the overload ability isn't optional?
mental birch
That's a lot of ahors
pastel rampart
quaint compass
Am cape make
And foolishly I gave him a chainglaive because it's cool and baller and swag and skibidi to rizz
past sphinx
Versatile will strike fear
quaint compass
But 3" protrusion will strike edge of tunnel during placement
past sphinx
Such is sacrifice in the name of skin and sinew
quaint compass
May the lodge of burning blood forgive his foolishness in carnage
thin ibex
Is it just me btw or its the defiler kind of ok now?
Things covered in guns, str 16 melee, free fight phase interrupt
floral herald
Yeah with its new stuff (and better detachment support!) it’s pretty good now
paper bluff
That's just the regular CSM defiler? Not any of the godsworn versions?
floral herald
Yeah I think just the CSM one has the interrupt
thin ibex
Renegade vibes
Legionaries in renegades are pretty fierce against targets on objectives
floral herald
Renegades might be the strongest detachment its so good
solemn gull
I wonder if the re-release of Old World will also bring back Mordheim
floral herald
Do they do alright without bikes?
They do fine, but they do want rhinos or LRs since they have some "when you jump out of a transport" buffs
unreal cosmos
I see...
floral herald
I think pretty much all of the detachments are strong or viable which is really nice
still warren
FEC today, looks like they're mostly the same from 3e to 4e, fyre slayers monday https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/31/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-faction-focus-flesh-eater-courts/
south axle
So monday is gonna be fyre huh
I think the newer the 3e codex is, the less it will change into 4e
ebon forge
New ThunderPsycker video!
thin ibex
So is the chaos cult Detachment meant to just swamp and overwhelm an opfor in rapidly advancing bodies?
Cause I couldn't find any "damned" keyword models beyond the cultists and traitor guard, and the units that can join them
floral herald
Yeah pretty much
It’s probably the weakest of the detachments because it buffs up your chaff almost exclusively and you have Really Good elites who could use buffs as well
thin ibex
I guess it doesn't STOP me from bringing some armor support, it just doesn't help it either
brittle salmon
yeah chaos has some of the schnastiest elite units in the game and Chaos Cult just does nothing for them
a 10 man terminator deathstar with a chaos lord or sorc attached can beat the bricks off of pretty much anything
and you want to be able to buff that kinda thing
thin ibex
You know, and I've said this before, I do enjoy how a number of the horde detachments make some less popular unit or build options a bit more sensible. Like a Sergeant with a power sword or chainsword with more attacks might have more value overall thanks to them than before
And it's no longer just "do you have enough AT?"
But also "do you have enough dedicated horde/chaff clear?"
Since sponsons and incidental small arms don't cut it against the dedicated hordes
soft willow
Knights actually have to skew for it just to be able to make enough attacks.
spice flicker
pastel rampart
thin ibex
Is a ghostkeel too small for a titan from titanfall?
finite compass
I'd say it's probably on the large side
mental birch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n8b4s4QLwc
Still trying to figure out
Wait just realised the ball body is a KO baloon
topaz elk
I gotta say I really do think so long as you’re chill with the harlequins the black library has gotta be the safest place in 40K
It’s like holy terra without all the horrible parts of holy terra
Which is all of it minus the specific rooms rich people and custodes live in
floral herald
Iirc there’s a bunch of weird dangerous stuff in the BL as well
Like oops don’t touch or you’ll turn inside out artifacts
topaz elk
Huh, I thought it was just the harlequins
floral herald
But since the locals are all well schooled old acrobats it’s safe enough
topaz elk
I guess you just gotta make sure to ask before touching anything
floral herald
Yeah
For a dark horse nice place there’s Jumael from 15 hours
Which is a bucolic and sleepy imperial agri world which primarily produces wide eyed imperial guardsmen who don’t know The Horrors
(It’s the place the protagonist from 15 hours is from)
thin ibex
The safest place in the galaxy is probably on a forgotten agri-world with a moderate and not extreme leadership group
floral herald
That’s basically Jumael IV
solemn gull
I think if you tuck yourself far enough down in an underhive you could ignore most of the 40k hazards to your life
Good luck slurping down algae/corpse starch though
floral herald
Yeah but that’s like the Crime Zone
solemn gull
Depends on what the current canon says about population. As far as I can tell most levels of a underhive have no one on them. Sometimes people come up thousands of years after their ancestors went on an expedition.
And the only thing they notice is the flag changed.
floral herald
The underhive is usually the poor dispossessed and gangs part of the hive aiui
upper canopy
There's more people above the underhive but there's still millions of people in the underhive itself
jaunty dawn
you can definitely be an underhive hermit
you wouldn't get corpse starch though. that's an industrial good
past sphinx
Fungus and rat meat this is the way
jaunty dawn
but like wild animals that also eat the rats might eat you
and they might be weird 40k animals
finite compass
I mean there's also Cultists, Scavvy Gangs, Scrapcode-Infected Servitors, Plague Zombies, hostile wildlife, even more hostile feral gangers, and the occasional Genestealer infestation...
jaunty dawn
or just rats yeah
finite compass
Or just rats
Big ones
But not ones that walk on two legs, that's just stupid.
Don't exist. Just myth-story. Do not worry stupid-manthing heads over it. Yes-yes.
past sphinx
Rats on two legs? I don't believe in them
And the hrud probably down there
A few kroot
finite compass
Depending on where you are, possibly Blood Axe infiltration teams
past sphinx
Wandering half mad murder servators
finite compass
Spyrer hunting parties.
finite compass
Killer Archaeotech
bright dove
Experimenting Hereteks
past sphinx
And just absolute disregard of OSHA safety guidelines
finite compass
If you're in Necromunda, giant spiders
thin ibex
arent "savage orks" like a thing in deep underhive?
finite compass
Yes
Specifically on Armageddon, but I don't see how they couldn't be on other planets as well
upper canopy
any time orks invaded once they're probably a permanant fixture
floral herald
Oh my
floral herald
Yeah
jaunty dawn
mind control is hilarious
like "oh it's just a contested apl check nothing to worry about,,, I just have the highest apl in the game that's all,,,"
floral herald
Yeah it’s pretty unusual design decision
jaunty dawn
that's just patric
wary cape
Saw some dudes today
zinc field
I missed the little night lords kneecap and saw an american flag torso, and for some reason my first thought was "homelander space marine? That's a pretty neat army concept"
pastel rampart
Same
solemn gull
Also same, those red and white stripes are really doing a lot
paper bluff
Isn't homelander space marine already called the marines malevolent?
floral herald
I mean those guys are jerks but in a different way and they’re bright yellow haha
paper bluff
......would be fun if GW released new lore to rainbow warriors this month. They wouldn't be the sort though
uneven ember
yeah
floral herald
I always thought they were primarily an Operation Satanique reference
But they don’t get a lot of attention
uneven ember
Yeah I don't think they've gotten direct mention in years.
What's really funny is that they're the whole reason the Sisters use the fleur de lys
runic swallow
Asking here because I feel this’d probably be the best place: I’m getting back into mini painting, gonna by painting up my CIA advisors/PMC guys and my insurgent models once I go out and grab the stuff to make a wet palette tomorrow. Anyone know of any tutorials around painting models in more civilian-ish clothes? Most of the minis are basically in street clothes + combat pants and load bearing equipment, so I’m not exactly looking for how to do camo right now
I’m very bad at coming up with paint schemes so when at all possible I prefer to follow someone’s process or guide on painting stuff
finite compass
I mean I imagine it'd be similar to painting anything else, unless you want to do fancy patterns like plaid or flannel or something
tired cairn
Asking here because I feel this’d probably be the best place: I’m getting back i...
In case you are unaware, there is also a #1171221956775907408 forum
wintry mist
to carry on the conversation about safest places in 40k, probably just some random imperial world that's like, 21st-century ish
or a shrine world
paper bluff
Are paradise worlds a no go?
Being a chapter serf on titan also maybe okay. Mind you... if you like having memories perhaps not but otherwise pretty decent IMO
thin ibex
Problem with paradise world is that it has any level of attention on it
and attention means stuffll happen
jaunty dawn
I mean
thin ibex
better to be on a world forgotten in its relative mediocrity
jaunty dawn
if you go to a paraidse world and assume you'll be one of the people who gets to enjoy it you could be a noble in most places
just be rich and opulent
plenty of that to go around in 40k
thin ibex
its probably nicer, i doubt its "safe" so to speak
thin ibex
As long as you don't die to the machinations of other nobles in the political landscape
uneven ember
I feel like the overlap between Paradise World and Maiden World is non-trivial and possibly a recipe for some really awkward misunderstandings/ massacres
paper bluff
If you don't want kids, living with the tau not a bad deal
solemn gull
The Tau don’t neuter all humans on their worlds?
quaint compass
No. Afaik that's only the Kauruva campaign
runic swallow
I think the best bet is an out of the way, semi-mechanized agriculture world
Very boring, but also, it’s very boring
desert jay
Okay but "Blood Ravens keep 'borrowing' artifacts from other Imperial subfactions" remains great
pastel rampart
thin ibex
Yall reckon this hypothetical list could take a WE list sporting Angron?
Idea being a lot of elements burn angrons army down around him
And the heavier tools focus fire him
unreal cosmos
https://vxtwitter.com/WarpMiniatures/status/1797328507942428684
impeccable vibes
spice flicker
I'd consider swaping out the broadsides for another breacher fish combo with maybe an enhancement on the 2nd coldstar with the remaining points.
thin ibex
While fair, if I drop the broadsides, the only weapons in the list that natively wound Angron on better than 5 are seekers
south axle
This days articles are fyre
bright dove
thin ibex
oh thats a cool one, who are they?
south axle
Aveline, a SoB Celestian Sacresant
spice flicker
Sword looks like a fluer de lis or however it's spelled.
Not French, catholic, or from Louisiana so idk how to spell it.
jaunty dawn
the fire specifically yeah
south axle
Fleur de Lis, am neither of those but has been part of the scout movement
jaunty dawn
her sword also just has a flamethrower though that's funny
south axle
The flames are kinda cool, but I kinda hope she comes with a non-burning sword as well