Warhammer and Such

[thin ibex]

Narratively these units are capable of toppling an empire

On the board, their enemies will control the board too well

[desert jay]

I honestly imagine the pilot being like "oh fuck yeah, am I allowed to add gold trim to my knight?" (paraphrased from much more formal language)

But also damn taking a custodes/knight list to a 1k game?

At least split up the Allarus Custodians to 2 or 3 squads

... Or take 3 Allarus and then 4 Guard or Wardens?

[thin ibex]

Oh yeah no for sure

Honestly 2 allarus and 5 sagittarum make more sense than the single chunk of termies

But I was vibing the silliness of just effectively 2 units

Not really effective

[desert jay]

It's also funny that the termie unit is available in 2-6 but the battleline squad only in 4 or 5

[bright dove]

Reminds me of my "Archaeon goes for a walk" list

[brittle salmon]

Custodes really got the short end of it huh

[floral herald]

They gotta adjust some of their rules I think

I feel like it’s gonna be very hard to hit a balance between “bad” “runs tables” and “loses faction identity” without that

[thin ibex]

On the other side, to fight the kroot Detachment and green tide

[bright dove]

Send Dudes

[thin ibex]

"Try to out horde me? An imperial!? Let's do this!"

The horde v horde battles post tau and ork dexes are gonna be awesome

Survivor v survivor style armies just slugging it out

[mental birch]

Kroot hordeeee

[tired cairn]

I am watching a battle report between the night lords and corsairs kill teams, and it is very weird that the eldar aren't the ones with prescience

[floral herald]

Yeah the Wayseeker weirdly enough does not have a prescience-type psychic power

[tired cairn]

Fun ork codex probable oversight my friend found:

So, found a funny rules interaction letting Ork flyers to go back into reserve on the opponent's turn to avoid wasting a turn off the board, and I'm trying to decide if it's intended.

Rules for aircraft are:
"Each time an aircraft model makes a normal move ... it must move a minimum of 20" ... If, when making a normal move, any part of an aircraft model's basse crosses the edge of the battlefiels or it cannot move a minimum of 20", that model's move ends and it is placed into strategic reserves."
Ork kult of speed reactive move strat applies to "Speed freeks" and says:
"Your unit can make a normal move of up to 6".

They gave all the Ork flyers the speed freeks keyword, and as written this seems pretty clear to me that it would work.
On the other hand... it would be giving an aircraft unit the ability to do something, which is against GW design philosophy.

If you reactive move the aircraft, it can only move up to 6", which is less then 20" and so it disappears into reserves

[floral herald]

Huh interesting

The new VotLW detachment has a similar reactive move

That seems like it should work

[desert jay]

Infantry or Mounted non-Damned

Necron's Canoptek Court have a reactive move strat too, but there's no Canoptek aircraft

[floral herald]

Ah good catch

I was having trouble zooming in on the image and missed it haha

[desert jay]

I was going off the Goonhammer review of the detachment

And actually... Talons of the Emperor has one too (Taloned Pincer) and it's any Custodes unit. And Custodes has two tourney-legal FW aircraft (Ares Gunship and Orion Assault Dropship)

... But also these two can just be deployed as hover instead

And... Tyranid's Vanguard Onslaught can similarly pull it off with Harpy or Hive Crone (both also with Hover)

[tired cairn]

It doesn't sound intentional. But I suspect they weren't paying too much attention to flyers >.>

[mental birch]

I mean

It's the same way we can use scout to get on the bus

[tired cairn]

What do you mean?

[mental birch]

Scout is a normal move

you can enter a vehicle with scout

well a normal move

so you can use a scout move to get within 3" of a transport and enter it

[jaunty dawn]

oh aos reveal tonight

[spice flicker]

Anyone have any experience with grimdark future?

[south axle]

Yes-yes, more kin-bodies to assault the thunder-canned-humans with!

[still warren]

Who's that Pokemon?

[remote wharf]

hrat

[untold swallow]

Rattata

[junior robin]

new Thanquol and boneripper? 👀

[south axle]

A third one? Makes me more think of generic Grey Seer, or maybe new chara

[jaunty dawn]

generic seer i imagine

[south axle]

Skaven kinda need it since they've killed of like 4+ of them in the shift to AoS. Besides Underworld warbands, Skaven only has 2 named charas atm: Skreech and Thanquol & Boneripper IV(?)

Compared to the 8-10 that existed at the end of WHFB

6 of them had gotten new models during Island of Blood-End Times era

[still warren]

I wonder what centerpiece skaven model will be for the launch box, maybe a big mech Ikrit?

[south axle]

I have a baseless hope of some kind of Eshin centrepiece, but that wouldn't make sense

Tho, they are the only CLan to not have a centrepiece. Moulder has the Abomination. Pestilens has the big censer, Skryre has the Cannon, Stormfiends and DoomWheel, Masterclan has Bell

[south axle]

Tho, a Demigod Ikrit would be fun

[still warren]

Would a verminlord deceiver count as an eshin centerpiece?

[south axle]

It kinda is, but if we count it as an Eshin one then Masterclan and Pestilens also has more

[remote wharf]

Witch hunter type drip
https://fxtwitter.com/rookart44/status/1791034896154087530?t=Zg96J8zhiV1i_8jyEvHpHA&s=19

[thin ibex]

how much do common folk or the far flung imperial systems actually know about necrons?

are they still kind of a rumor/cautionary tale kinda status

rather than anything concrete?

[plucky token]

probably nothing in most cases, unless the necrons did something near their system

[floral herald]

The common folk don’t know shit about anything

[thin ibex]

that is a fair statement

i was figuring that at large, necrons are kind of an unknown for many planetary governors/soldiers unless its something immediately concerning them

[floral herald]

The median imperial citizen lives in a hive city and has long decided that stories of the “sky” were made up for children like the servitors who deliver rations to good children

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/HashionDiscord/status/1790869356622090321

[still warren]

Famous last words before having your tibia stolen

[upper canopy]

He's stealing the Ossiarch's tibia

[past sphinx]

Extr a dangerous gun, gotta put hazards on iy

and Runkles

[solemn gull]

Runkles is awesome, better give him some warp rounds!

[past sphinx]

hes getting loaded up with the underhives finest over the counter methamphetamine and getting sent into a goliath meat grinder

throw some ghast in there for perhaps some random magic powers

[solemn gull]

Healthiest diet plan of any juve in necromunda

At least you aren’t putting that slime ooze on his head

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48_RkobDkxE

[still warren]

this shit is good

[past sphinx]

NOW THATS WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT

[thin ibex]

Me being silly again

[plucky token]

that's a lotta missiles

[thin ibex]

I think I got even more out of the guard

If you get first turn, the mass missile volley would be spectacular

[plucky token]

indeed

could probably replace the armored sentinels with the scout variant to get the daring recon bonus for your indirect shots as well. since they can also mount missile launchers

[thin ibex]

Oh shoot your right

You're

Hmm aeldari don't got such amazing missile spam capacity

[thin ibex]

Iirc tamkbustas aren't great rn though

[floral herald]

They’re really bad

Just really poor firepower for the points

[brittle salmon]

Tankbustas are complete ass

Extremely incongruent kit with no customisation options and way too expensive

[desert jay]

Nothing like an anti-tank unit that hits and wounds tanks on 4+. And that's with the special rule helping

[rocky shale]

Ah yes, the anti-tank unit with 3 units of 24" 5+ S9 AP-2 D3 weapons, one with an even worse S7 pistols profile, and one with a almost-passable melee profile and absolutely no reason to actually charge into melee

[rocky shale]

If it was 5 tankhammers they'd almost be interesting with dev wounds

[brittle salmon]

They'd at the very least be a funny unit to throw in a trukk and run at the enemy

As it stands right now, they're pretty easily the worst unit in the codex

[rocky shale]

the hazardous, hitting on 2s, and dev wounds on 4s would be kinda entertaining

They might be the worst unit in multiple codecies

[brittle salmon]

You're honestly not wrong

[rocky shale]

Outside of fortifications, I think every unit in quite a few codecies is more usable than these

[brittle salmon]

It's really odd they weren't changed like

At all

Because outside of tankbustas the Ork codex is a serious banger

[desert jay]

Damn, worse than all aircraft

[brittle salmon]

Aircraft can at least do something

[desert jay]

I think part of the problem is the weapons are exactly what’s in the box and there’s no spare bits included on the sprue to make changes

[rocky shale]

Depends on the codex. Aeldari aircraft are borderline playable but just too clunky to bother with.

[brittle salmon]

Wild as hell decision

[desert jay]

So the “ooh lets model a few different interesting things” turns into a mess once you hit the rules

Ah hmm, in 9e the default was pure rokkits and the other weapons were optional swap-ins

(Limit 1 of each per 5 models)

[brittle salmon]

My lukewarm take is that they should either entirely remove aircraft or just make them all use hover rules

They've proven functionally impossible to balance, just return to monke

[south axle]

New Skaven, good-great yes-yes?

[brittle salmon]

lookin' pretty great to me

[south axle]

I kinda hope the Clawlord gets an alternate head on the sprue or that his head socket is compatible with either the defunct Stormvermin or with what is replacing them

[jaunty dawn]

40 clan rats

[quaint compass]

That's as many as four tens

and that's terrible

[south axle]

40 lovely characters!

[jaunty dawn]

rat ruler

[south axle]

Yes, rats rule

[south axle]

Rat Ogors only being 4 wounds feels weird

[brittle salmon]

I figure they'll probably get more models per unit

To encourage rat ogres being the "hordey" monster

then leaving stuff like Stormfiends to be the sicko monster units

[south axle]

It's 3 to a unit, so a combined wound count of 12

[brittle salmon]

yeah that preserves the current total wound count

was 6 wounds, 2 models to a unit, now 4/3

[south axle]

Still feels weird when Grey Seers will be 5. Like the disconnect between size and wound pool

[jaunty dawn]

rat ogors were 4 wounds for most of aos 2.0 tbf

and regular ogors like gluttons have 4 wounds

[south axle]

Hadn't looked at AoS for a time

[jaunty dawn]

and then 5 wounds is just pretty standard for a character

whereas thanquol on boneripper, who's the closest to a rat ogor character, is 14 wounds

so that's kinda the size difference thing

[south axle]

What are Stormfiends?

[jaunty dawn]

skryre/moulder collab

armoured rat ogors with big guns

[south axle]

More like their wound count

[brittle salmon]

Skyre-enhanced rat ogres with surgically implemented heavy weapons and tiny brain rats to control them

[jaunty dawn]

oh 6 currently

[thin ibex]

Hmm ogryns aren't competitive but they're not awful either right now? Is that a solid read?

I know bullgryns saw a lot of play recently but they got nerfed right?

[floral herald]

They're usable at least

[plucky token]

they did get a points increase, yeah. not sure if that took them out of competitive lists, tho, i haven't checked any IG ones since that dropped

[floral herald]

Guard in general is kind of in the doldrums rn competitively

[upper bluff]

Surely this list will be good

[thin ibex]

Surely

I don't think they even get their special rules when not leading a unit

So it's even worse

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1241107835488833566/IMG_5081.webp?ex=6648ff3e&is=6647adbe&hm=dfeb5a708bc2179231e7e9d2c0a51ea4e9b944e5ca945a718674d5db5a427c2b&

AOS starter box prices.

[pulsar cairn]

i'll say

imperium bad

but dang

you really have nowhere to go

good luck getting to the tau

[brittle salmon]

Guard have just kinda been punched in the gut repeatedly - any unit that looks remotely viable has been nerfed the second it's in a list with any good placings in a GT

[pulsar cairn]

hi briar

[brittle salmon]

If it keeps showing up it keeps getting nerfed, which is self evident when Manticores have gone up 70 points since edition start

Hi Skully!

[lofty warren]

idk what the current balancing schema is at GW

but it seems wacky

[brittle salmon]

I just don't know why they don't hit Indirect when its the real problem here

[bright dove]

I wonder what other armies out there will bring the Indirect.

[past sphinx]

"Fix it in post" i think is the head space

its an ass pull but i really think they wanted to shoot for more living rules in 10th and somebody upstairs put a boot down

[sinful merlin]

it bites since Born Soldiers just heavily encourages using indirect and such 😔

[past sphinx]

more focus on digital rules that could be updated without a headache

after well

all of 9th

i really dont know how you can justify buying a hardback these days

[uneven ember]

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[floral herald]

Yeah I don’t like the trend at all

[dense sedge]

let's hope we have a decent battleforce tomorow my brood brothers, and that our new combat patrol won't be a fatal injury

[zinc field]

Question. Has anyone done a tier list for the combat patrol rules? Like which faction's rules are actually good to play with?

I tried doing a mostly-proxied admech vs world eaters game and it just felt like I was throwing packing peanuts at the world's slowest mob

[mental birch]

Tay is good

Tau is good

[upper canopy]

Tau-ler Swift

[mental birch]

Pffft

[still warren]

Warp blaster rules, that more more bullets ability sure seems likely to blow itself up in true skaven fashion

[upper canopy]

If it can't fucking explode it's not skaven tech

[bright dove]

Exactly.

[soft willow]

3k Imperialis:

[floral herald]

👀

[thin ibex]

Outside of astartes there's no such thing as mass produced power armor is there? It's all armory crafted and fitted for the individual when it comes to other humans?

[floral herald]

Pretty much all power armor is hand crafted and fitted

Just to patterns

SoB are by the numbers probably the largest organization which uses power armor though

[thin ibex]

That makes sense, it's the best you can get pretty much

Does speak to like... the relative wealth the SoB have in the Imperium

Actually how does the arming and maintenance side of the SoB work? Do their tech priests and enginseers need to be fem to work within their fortresses?

[floral herald]

Oh I know this one

They’re supplied by the Writ Illuminat

Which is a direct contract/treaty between the ecclesiarch and the fabricator general of mars to equip the “bodyguard”

Started by goge vandire and reaffirmed by every subsequent ecclesiarch

And the SoB seem to retain some unusual understanding of their own gear

[brittle salmon]

Started by Goge Vandire but uh, no doubt edited by Thor and/or associates after the fact

because, y'know, Goge Vandire

[floral herald]

The fluff just says “reaffirmed” by Sebastian Thor but given the SoB transformed from a personal bodyguard to galaxy spanning fighting force either the terms changed or Mars got absolutely comically ripped off there

(The Martian consideration for the contract is undisclosed changes to the promulgation of the imperial creed)

[brittle salmon]

I don't think you really can rip off Mars

The AdMech have 95% of the bargaining chips

And if you somehow do, you're going to regret it immensely

[thin ibex]

im sure mars has no issues letting you think you've gotten the better of them in a deal

especially when you have no idea what they actually have

[brittle salmon]

Sure, but I don't think that counts as ripping them off :p

[uneven ember]

I'm sure the Church can afford to deck out its Militant arm pretty well too

[compact gate]

given how every non mechanicum technological specialist seems to have died off for unexplained reasons, perhaps they got all they could ever want from the imperium

[upper canopy]

Cawl can't get called a heretic because he stuck it in the SoB clause

[quaint compass]

Anything made for the Ecchlesiarchy is inherently pure, any claims to the contrary implies that anything the Ecchlesiarchy has is tainted, which is heresy

It's the perfect tax-fraud loophole

[thin ibex]

Living dat shoota lyfe

I know I know, the dakkajet can't press the button

But they felt welcome on this list

Because they still have respectable dakka

[bright dove]

It's got Dakka in the name.

[thin ibex]

full kombi nobs feels like "we have flash gitz at home"

[past sphinx]

I'm eatin good

Quad bolter lightning claws is quality

[lofty warren]

Did they add spyrers to newcromunda?

[desert jay]

Yeah, and malstrain genestealers

[lofty warren]

Thats rad

[floral herald]

Oh shit new Spyrers

[rocky shale]

The new gsc combat patrol is rough

[floral herald]

Oh what is it?

[tired cairn]

The Biosantic Broodsurge box packs in the new Benefictus alongside 10 Neophyte Hybrids, a Goliath Rockgrinder, 10 Purestrain Genestealers, a hulking Abominant (accompanied by its Mindwyrm Familiar), and five Aberrants ready and willing to tear their foes limb from raggedy limb.

[rocky shale]

That's the battleforce

[tired cairn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/18/warhammer-preview-the-genestealer-cults-get-a-big-brained-new-benefictus/

Whoops, it's this:

Known as the Claw of Ascension, this warband combines the pack-hunting firepower of five Atalan Jackals – with four on bikes and one on the fearsome Wolfquad – with two units of five Hybrid Metamorphs and a durable Achilles Rockrunner. It’s all led by the Jackal Alpha known as Shanus Daskovian, who lays out exposed Characters with accurate sniper fire and supports the rest of the team from the rear.

[rocky shale]

It's good if you already bought the old one

[tired cairn]

Better get on it if you have any to collect gsc lol

This is neat: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/18/warhammer-preview-the-mechanicum-turns-its-love-of-metal-to-plastic/

I wonder if they will get datasheets added to 40k

June balance dataslat: "we fixed ad mech, just buy these new units"

I really like the look of the archmagos and vehicles though

[rocky shale]

No chance they get anything more than legends rules

[tired cairn]

What's the rank difference between an archmagos and dominus?

Or are they separate tracks

[floral herald]

I think Dominus is a type not a rank

Ok checking and its possible to have an Archmagos Dominus as well as a Magos Dominus

Though in a war an archmagos might be wise to defer to a lower ranked Dominus

[jaunty dawn]

dominus is like a war priest basically

leads war congregations

flying canoness!!! omg

[dry sierra]

Necromunda is a shining jewel of the Imperium--they've managed to make the conditions so bad that the Hive Mind doesn't even want to swing by to pick up its genestealers

[jaunty dawn]

those are fucky damn

[dry sierra]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/v3v4wNjMTuXl7ZTp.png

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/tpHwXZY5c898YkJk.png

I love them, they're just the worst genestealers

Absolutely grody

[lofty warren]

Poor things are starving

[jaunty dawn]

hive secundus feels like

necromunda kill team

looking at the tek hunters

[floral herald]

These are great they got scrungled to HELL

[still warren]

So the enslaver looking thing is a gsc facehugger?

[lofty warren]

The tek hunters are cool

The sniper especially

I think 28mm minis games often struggle with snipers

The whole "taking a sniper shot while standing up" pose is hard to do right

[south axle]

Looking forward to the Escher Spyrers and upgrades

[floral herald]

oh fuck these are cool

[jaunty dawn]

spyrers arent clan affiliated

theyre asshole nobles

[dense sedge]

they are very cool

[jaunty dawn]

these van saar are mercing for the spyrers

[floral herald]

IIRC they're shitty nobles using their expensive supertech to kill poors for fun

[south axle]

Ye, but the coming kit looks very Van Saar esque

[lofty warren]

They were their own faction in '96 necromunda

[jaunty dawn]

fun and tradition

[lofty warren]

Iirc

[jaunty dawn]

yup

[dense sedge]

this seems to be a dungeon crawl game rather than typical necromunda

[lofty warren]

So its interesting to me that they now seem to be supported by existing gangs

Is ash wastes still the current necromunda starter box? Kinda want to pick it up for a rainy day

Love me some orlocks

[jaunty dawn]

that might just be before they get the rest of them released

[lofty warren]

True

[jaunty dawn]

I think there's an underhive one too

[dense sedge]

I'm going to get the gsc combat patrol for the ridgerunner and bikes, but not sure about the battleforce, the benefactus is the only thing there I don't already have

[lofty warren]

I wish the gsc bikes had other riders you could put on em

Killer bike design and its rare to see bikes with cargo in minis games

[south axle]

Current starters

[lofty warren]

But bikes carrying cargo is a rad aesthegic

[junior robin]

aww yis, plastic mechanius

[upper bluff]

I'm glad plastic mechanicum exists, we're one step closer to having them in 40k

[past sphinx]

van saar combi flamer

[past sphinx]

Plastic thallax and thralls, the monkey paw curls

[floral herald]

Oh huh I didn't realize it was 2 guns

I thought it was like a flamer and door breacher haha

[past sphinx]

I'm assuming its like a reverse munda eviscerator. Normal flamer and limited use claw

[jaunty dawn]

feels like a heavy flamer

could be wrong

[past sphinx]

Gangs usually don't come packed with a heavy flamer because their fucking awful

Tragically

[upper bluff]

So are there any other big events over the next few months? It feels weird they didn't announce the mystery space today

[still warren]

there's the skulls event on the 23rd but thats all warhammer game stuff

[dense sedge]

I wish the gsc combat patrol had like one more thing in it

[sinful merlin]

Sadly nothing was ever going to compare to how good the old one was but yeah it does feel a little lacking 😔

[uneven ember]

Oh dope
Looks like they're trying to really give Necromunda GSC a bit more of their own vibe, less "do you have a GSC army? Then you've got a Necromunda gang"

[south axle]

Malstrain best 'strain <3

[uneven ember]

I do also appreciate some of the GSC conversions I've seen.
"Totally normal Escher with the normal amount of human arms!"

[bold halo]

I love the new genestealers as like, fucked up weirdos adapted to never having seen the sun in ten generations

all gangly and covered in growths with giant eyes

[past sphinx]

imperium finely tuning a planet so dogshit even the nids dont want it

Battery acid seas and all that

[uneven ember]

I love Hive Worlds for that

[bright dove]

Ah, Armageddon

[sinful merlin]

I love how much gsc encourages kitbashing 😄 I imagine there's going to be a lot of converting the Magus into the new character

[dense sedge]

I like the new character

considering getting the battleforce but there's a real risk that that becomes part of my pile of shame

[sinful merlin]

I'll have to see how the kit goes together since I like all of it except the big brain, it's just not my jam

[dense sedge]

I really like that part

[dense sedge]

I wish the battleforce had a biophagus instead of a anominant

[compact gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974729970129715200/1241631963304038423/7jux3cqop81d1.webp?ex=664ae760&is=664995e0&hm=f4e08da0241ab470c1429a3d6ba8dcb1059bbc7e6709328f9e5f531346ce363f&

its over...

[cinder wraith]

so joever

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[compact gate]

it never fucking started

we had 3 30k models, 2 of which were skitarii with different guns and 1 was a holdover from the "big boy" factions getting their special toy

[desert jay]

Still cool kitbash bits for 40k-only players

[compact gate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/561229852967960599/1238197133249871923/PremierShootingArmy-ezgif.com-resize.gif

[junior robin]

bit sad they didnt make a melee variant of that guy

[compact gate]

sad is the word to describe admech in 10th

[cinder wraith]

learning necromunda like my life depends on it rn

enforcers and escher looks good

[south axle]

Escher is fun

[spice flicker]

If I was to go for a brotherhood of Steel inspired army would space marines be the best way of doing that? If so what might be some good units to consider? I figured at least a knight to emulate Liberty Prime but what else?

[jaunty dawn]

hellblasters for energy weapons I guess

[spice flicker]

Definitely for enclave

[thin ibex]

So... I think space marines just as is works pretty well, you'd just be building a heavily infantry focused list

And maybe use a storm raven as a vertibird

They otherwise didn't really have much in the way of vehicles

[south axle]

So, looking at some of the Scrolls from the Matched Play Masterclass. The Gnawholes having the ability to return destroyed Infantry units feels strong

[solemn gull]

Has anyone posted the new necromunda genestealers?

[south axle]

THese guys?

[solemn gull]

Yeah!

[south axle]

They are lovely

[solemn gull]

Also they brought back Spyers!

I love how necromunda is so insane that even genestealers get their shit kicked in and need to evolve a ton

[thin ibex]

arent genestealers, in a lot of ways, beyond what a normal person can hope to fight in matched numbers/close confines?

im guesing the big fuck off suit goes some way to help?

[solemn gull]

Yeah but a lot of people on necromunda are way beyond normal people

Like a goliath could absolutely pull some WWE moves on a genestealer

[dense sedge]

I think they’re a enemy for a solo dungeon crawl game it’s not clear yet if they’re available as a playable faction

[solemn gull]

I mean genestealers are playable in necromunda?

[thin ibex]

it definitely happens that there are humans who can take on a stealer and even come out on top, but i suspect even in necromunda thats far from the norm

even the box art suggests its a battle for survival

[solemn gull]

Well they did capture all of hive secundus before it got nuked and the wall was built around it

But I think most houses could take on a genestealer cult

Generally they win a campaign by capturing your champions and infecting them

[thin ibex]

dang thats wild, i dont know much about the necromundan houses, but ive heard plenty about stealers

even space marines take stealers as a pretty serious threat

[solemn gull]

One of the houses had basically the only functional STC in the entire imperium

[thin ibex]

and space marines are quasi mythical to the majority of humanity

[solemn gull]

One of the official bounty hunters is actually a blood angel who kinda retired

[thin ibex]

oh sick, who's that?

[solemn gull]

So I use him as a rough idea of what a space marine would be in comparison

[pastel rampart]

Imperial Fists recruit from Necromunda so if they're good enough for the IF then they can reasonably hold their own against genestealer cults.

[thin ibex]

so wait, is our main character in the hired gun game like a freak of nature who can tear through goliath's like a hot knife through butter?

[quaint compass]

Yeah, a bounty hunter

[solemn gull]

Can’t remember who but it was in white dwarf 137 and got re-canonized recently

[solemn gull]

Yeah no idea how that guy is so strong

Lot of combat drugs

[thin ibex]

armor made of plot-inium

[solemn gull]

You can get a guy from S3 T3 to S7 T5 through drugs in necromunda pretty commonly

[south axle]

The GSCult can't take normal Genestealers as of now from what I can find in normal Munda. Tho, these new ones aren't really purestrain material so I would count on them being peak performance of a Genestealer

[solemn gull]

It’s just generally not worth it because they can die pretty easily due to the rolls at the end of the match

[thin ibex]

hmm so purestrain stealers specifically are still a major threat/concern but cultists are pretty par

and get by on like infecting your house members

[solemn gull]

Well you can get abberants and dudes with 3 arms (who can wield heavy weapons really well)

Also like I was saying you can actually just get genestealers if you are playing the ruin campaign

If you are an outlaw gang

[thin ibex]

i remember in the infinite and the divine, even a chronomancer for necrons are thrown for a loop by the raw incredible speed of a stealer

[solemn gull]

There is a lot of bloat to the current necromunda edition

Also there are orks on necromunda…

[thin ibex]

i figur the bigger hives just consider orks a fact of life

and occassionally have to go and purge as much as possible

[solemn gull]

No they are stuck in hive skull

[thin ibex]

i meant in other places yo

[solemn gull]

The necromundan guard are spread very thin

Theres like 7 planetary apocalyptic threats at the same time on necromunda

[thin ibex]

cause i imagine each hive city in the imperium has its own complicated and deep lores and gangs and what have you

we just dont deep dive them because the story is usually macro

until you have a specific reason to go micro

[quaint compass]

Necromunda: Gangs of Terra

[solemn gull]

Oh yeah totally

Necromunda is unique in that the big gangs got instated as noble houses

[floral herald]

Yes that dude is a cybernetic ally rebuilt freak with so much archeotech in him inquiring magos would love to strip them for parts

[solemn gull]

Oh is he?

I never played it

I was already playing ultrakill at the time so I figured I had enough hyper fps games

[thin ibex]

do necromundan houses also have to pay a recruitment tithe to the imperium or are they exempted on account of the IF using it as their primary recruiting grounds?

[floral herald]

Yeah your main set up upgrades is activating new modules in your archeotech body

[thin ibex]

yeah your mc in hired gun is, understandably, absurd within the bounds of what a normal person can do

[floral herald]

The Bounty Hunter is basically a privately produced Temple Assassin tier wise I think

[solemn gull]

The necromundan guard is mostly taken from gangs yeah, like the Necromundan 8th who got a lot of love in rogue trader are solely taken from this huge gang that has control of the main elevator lifts

[thin ibex]

huh i wonder if the IF have to like... come in if the gsc activity gets too much, or if the houses are too motivated to keep it under wraps and handle it themselves

[solemn gull]

There is an alliance you can take where you get super cheap militarum weapons but if any of your guys get a lot of kills in a game you roll to see if they get press ganged into the guard and are gone forever

[floral herald]

FWIW IFs only roll up like once a century iirc

Since they recruit from hundreds or thousands of worlds

[thin ibex]

dang i just searched necromundan characters, its a big list

[solemn gull]

Big part of Orlock lore is the time some guy fenced a Imperial Fist plasma pistol to an orlock boss and the whole district of Orlocks got wiped when it’s owner came looking

[thin ibex]

oh huh, not just retired, but BA are also on nerummunda and do some recruiting there?

sry just finding stuff in teh wiki

[solemn gull]

Yeah but that might be old lore

I dunno

[floral herald]

Which doesn’t mean they don’t pay attention because the Imperial Fists need so many planets because Dorn’s geneseed is “picky” and “brutal” so their recruiting churn is horrible

Even by space marine standards

[floral herald]

I think that’s a thing yeah

Big population of good recruits (eg skilled violence youths)

[thin ibex]

oh dang, so fucking with sm stuff is a big fat no no that they avoid

[solemn gull]

Yep and magistratum stuff because the tax collectors do not like their numbers being wrong

I fucking love necromunda

[thin ibex]

lol, just saw info on imperial fistmas and i cant tell if that real or like old lore that embraces the goofiness of warhammer

[solemn gull]

I’d believe it is canon if it came from a white dwarf

They post a lot of stuff there like a kroot gang list

[thin ibex]

huh so, as far as the wiki, which doesnt say if anything is like debunked lore, the UM, BA, and IF are all on necromunda

i laughed at the little footnote "The BA are known to fight Scavvies"

just super soldier space vampire just going out to kill scavvies

[solemn gull]

Scavvies are possibly my favourite gang I hope they get brought back

[floral herald]

It was from Fanatic Mag, which was basically white dwarf for specialist games

[solemn gull]

Scavvies are no joke on necromunda

[thin ibex]

"Blood Angels Captain defends himself from attack by a Scavvy gang."

[floral herald]

You know

I’m surprised that no one has made an “Escape from Hive Primus” 40K extraction shooter

[thin ibex]

i imagine once upon a time a space marine was a lot more on par with like a judge from 2000AD or something

[solemn gull]

They had a custom mutation table that was broken as fuck

[thin ibex]

rather than what they are now

[floral herald]

That was true in like 1e and at least some of 2e

3e is where a lot of their knightly warrior brotherhood lore came in

[solemn gull]

Semi related the first campaign I ever played, our final mission was one of the “Hey if one of your players curb stomped everyone play this” and it was the leading gang trying to fuel and launch a shuttle to escape necromunda while all their rivals try to kill them

I got paid off to sabotage my comrades and let the winner escape with enough credits to make me the new richest person (you get points at the end of a campaign for each of the ways you are the best)

[thin ibex]

wwait so id necromunda more of a narrative rpg or skirmis hgame?

[solemn gull]

Yes

It’s meant to be played in campaign mode

[thin ibex]

ohhh thats cool

[solemn gull]

It’s a narrative skirmish game

[thin ibex]

so do you take on the role of the leader of the dudes on the board, but are not on the board yourself?

[solemn gull]

Usually when you play a battle there is a cash reward, a respect increase, and some sort of bonus or buff

[solemn gull]

You play it like a normal skirmish game if that answers your question

[thin ibex]

sort of, im trying to figure out who "you" are when you play the game in a narrative format

[solemn gull]

And after each battle you can do post-game actions like pay to get injuries removed or buy new gear

[thin ibex]

oh so it can be kind of like how kill team works now with its narrative system

you're not anyone in particular

[solemn gull]

Yeah

I mean I like to follow and keep track of the personal stories of my lil dudes

[thin ibex]

thats like part of the fun imo

of the smaller scale stuff

like ima be naming all my kill team members

[solemn gull]

Like I got a jetpack juve who always gets Out Of Actioned by his jetpack exploding

I even built a new model of my favourite ganger when he got a lot of new gear

[thin ibex]

i forget what the end name was, but iirc cyan's gonna be my gunslinger kroot's name, in honor of our one match

highest performing kroot

him and the cutskin

who went toe to toe with a legionary veteran with a pair of knives

the gunslinger effectively blasted down like 3 space marines

most of the rest of the pack kinda got wrecked

[thin ibex]

hb legionary don't play

[solemn gull]

Wow

[thin ibex]

mind you the cutskin lost

but damn did he do work

[solemn gull]

Oh yeah how does that team play?

[thin ibex]

i like em a lot, i played them kinda wrong

but they want to kinda be a bit tricksy/harassy

and then choose a moment to take out like key enemies

so you play a lot with both cover and using conceal orders

[solemn gull]

I love that type of playstyle

[thin ibex]

i didn't consider my sight lines well enough

and the hb marine was like

"we eatin good today"

[solemn gull]

HB?

[thin ibex]

heavy bolter

my kroot caught out just did not stand a chance

against that firepower

[solemn gull]

Wow

Is there a difference between different chapters in KT2?

Or is it up to you to style them differently

[thin ibex]

for regular sm there are chapter traits you pick to reflect a chapter iirc

rather than specific ones

[solemn gull]

Oh cool

Opens up customization

[thin ibex]

and i think some guidance on like, combos that make sense

for legionaries, i dont know, i dont thin kso

but cyan would know more i think

a lot of the bespoke kt's don't have THAT much customization, which is a bit of a negative

but the individual special units and sculpts

have a lot of personality to them

and are a bit more unique

[solemn gull]

Cool

[thin ibex]

i almost wanted to buy just normal intercessors to have a sw KT tbh

but i also want to do the phobos armor KT to do a Wolfpsear KT

[solemn gull]

Makes sense

I’ve been trying to dip my toes into killteam

Its fun for one-off games with friends

[thin ibex]

im not super experience, ive only got like 2 games under my belt

but its fun

and i like

it

its cool

but i really want to do a narrative/kt crusade game

maybe i can rope friends int oti

[solemn gull]

I don’t quite get the appeal of crusade

I’ve player quite a bit of narrative 40k in 8th and 9th

[bright dove]

Narrative fun, theming army fun, working within limitations interesting

[solemn gull]

Feels too game-ey for my tastes. If I was playing in a narrative 40k campaign and one of my units got wiped I would just get rid of the unit

I just feel the way they rule and try to balance the narratives that could occur isn’t the best

[thin ibex]

i actually like the idea of introducing like unit death rules to crusade as a house rule

[floral herald]

For CSM you get to choose the mark of one of the gods for bonuses but it’s funky since you can’t include like both Tzeentch and Nurgle marks and such

[thin ibex]

so that veterancy is cool

isntead of a given

but i like crusade as a foundation to play more contextually informed battles

makes em cooler to me

thats pretty much it

for me makes it easier to get immersed i guess

which isn't an everyone thing sure

i know for a lot of players "my guys" is irrelevant, its just play what's good

[solemn gull]

Yeah the formations are neat

[thin ibex]

its also why i kinda like the campaign books, even though ive not bought them cause ive got like no group to go through them with

but i like em on principle

to be able to play through the little story book

[solemn gull]

100%

And there are some neat rules like if a space marine character takes enough injuries they get put in a dread

But overall when I read the crusade add-ons I was more let down then anything

[bold halo]

I loved the narrative campaign rules in the 4th edition rulebook, never got people to go for it with me though

units getting xp and special rules over time and an actual map to fight over is so cool

[solemn gull]

Adding a map to anything makes it x10 cooler

[bold halo]

I actually think I still have my rulebook somewhere reachable brb

[floral herald]

I really liked the planetary campaigns 5e did

With a big ass hex map

[jaunty dawn]

dawn of war dark crusade's map was pretty cool

[bold halo]

One extremely well loved 4th edition hardcover

and even more of a time capsule, my blood angels codex

This I actually totally forgot I owned, the cities of death white dwarf

Lmao speaking of time capsules check this shit out

box of eldar rangers is now $75

at least they're plastic now

not gonna spam too many photos but I've also still got the 6th and 8th edition fantasy battles rulebooks, 6th edition dark elves and orcs & goblins army books, 3rd edition chaos space marines codex, 4th edition space marines codex

neat little snapshot of when I was first into warhammer

[solemn gull]

Nice

[still warren]

think someone called it when they said storm fiends would retain six wounds as the heavy version of rat ogres

[jaunty dawn]

they are pretty massive

[south axle]

I enjoy them except for the brain-rat D:

The Master Moulder card they had this weekend will has the model they've discontiued on it...

It's a beaut of a model, but it was launched in Finecast, and the one they have had for sale lately has been in either that or metal. Hopefully we get something similar in plastic

[floral herald]

Magnetizing a Helbrute today

😵‍💫

[jaunty dawn]

that sounds

fun

(the joints on all the weapon options are not smooth)

[floral herald]

I’m mostly done with the left (easier) arm options

And the shoulders

I’m gonna have a doozy of a time doing the tentacles and hammer arm

Since they share a shoulder plate and nothing else

Admittedly I am also a sicko and something is wrong with my soul because I want to magnetize the front glacis and head

But I might come to my senses

[uneven ember]

A few hours, but:
In current Necromunda rules, Genestealer Cults don't have access to Purestrains as part of their regular gang lists.
Over a campaign, you might get access to one in a one-time use for a fight, and it doesn't stay in the game for the whole engagement.

[uneven ember]

& on the campaign, "you" kinda play the gang as a whole, with characters getting new gear, improving stats through experience, getting injuries or dying, etc
There is a leader character but they can die and be replaced over the course of the campaign

[floral herald]

Ok I’m running into a problem with the Helbrute (haven’t been working on it all this time)l today) there’s 2 arms which share a shoulder and the guide which said it was “easy” to rig up the magnets lost its images to link rot

I think I can rig up and internal strut with a magnet on the end with sprue

But this is a really weird build

[solemn gull]

Oh yeah I forgot it’s a hanger on like that

[pulsar cairn]

lets say im some beefy warp entity

not god lvl but powerful

and i clean a great unclean one

would it just die? would it be forsaken by nurgle?

That would probably mean im taking it's blessings away wouldnt it?

[zinc field]

I don't think I've seen the tattoo before

does that mean there are multiple great clean ones floating around?

[floral herald]

https://external-preview.redd.it/YtCzO-IEcJ7Pf9fQGl6vVAzug365HWVGrQVV-XJD3L4.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=018a0c045ee27efb9bf5a97432915c0c06477fd5

Maybe?

It’s clearly the same sculpt

[zinc field]

ah nevermind the creator just took progress pics

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/dw2214/great_clean_one/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/dws2fl/great_clean_one_finished_wilhelminiatures/

same user

[floral herald]

Aha makes sense

[pulsar cairn]

you mean fabulous bill

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/20/join-the-underhive-headhunt-with-the-malcadon-yeld-and-jakara-spyrers/

I'm just now learning the lore behind these guys and it's bonkers

Nothing else in the Imperium works this way

[jaunty dawn]

FOUR ACTIVATIONS???

[south axle]

8 actions per turn bby

[jaunty dawn]

I guess they could have one action on each of those

[south axle]

One action?

[jaunty dawn]

like how monsters work in warcry

3 activations but one action each time instead of 2

[south axle]

Haven't played Warcry

Then they wouldn't be able to charge among other double action actions, unless it gets written as each of their actions can be used for both simple/basic/double

[jaunty dawn]

who knows

maybe they're just crazy fast

will be interesting

[south axle]

Using the Grapnel launcher is a double action

[jaunty dawn]

there are six genders

[pulsar cairn]

horse

[still warren]

The genders got an update

[jaunty dawn]

lmao

makes sense mind

[storm schooner]

Gender Nerfs and buffs

[pulsar cairn]

except horse

horse stays the same

[jaunty dawn]

horse never changes

[past sphinx]

These guys are gonna cost probably 3-4 hundo creds for even a base ganger, weight of fire alone would table them with one 1 activation even with the likely juiced up stat line

Pinning alone takes up 1 of your actions in an activation and fighting cawdor where its going to be 3 to 1 would be hell

[jaunty dawn]

article updated

they get 2 activations, four actions total

far less ridiculous than 4 of them haha

kinda disappointed they didn't all get bulked up like orrus

somewhere in between even

[thin ibex]

So are those dudes like people hunters that climb in the upper spires?

Of a hive?

[jaunty dawn]

no they're from the upper hive

they go into the underhive to kill poor ppl for sport

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, they're bored rich failsons who do a Predator and kill people.

[past sphinx]

Necromunda, everybody here just sucks

[past sphinx]

I'm sad they don't have a sword scythe like one of the old sculpts but there's always conversion

[jaunty dawn]

I think that'll come eventually

resin maybe

[raw vessel]

I just finished the Bile trilogy and it's kind of nuts how many unspoken lines it crosses. There's a World Eater who is calm and meditative most of the time because he drugs himself to counteract the butchers nails. There's a half demon woman fighting in the Emperor's Children legion itself, not as an auxiliary. Human Eldar hybrids are canonized in a throw away line. His surgical tools backpack figured out how to fuck.

[south axle]

I am kinda confused over which kind the blonde one in front is meant to be as it has the claw of a Malcadon and the blade of a Jakara

[jaunty dawn]

article mentions the spyre hunt master who can combine equipment from multiple archetypes

kinda like an autarch essentially

[south axle]

Ah

Also, looking at the old ones, the Chain Scythe wielder is kinda Leader coded in naming

Same with the Doc Ock looking one

[jaunty dawn]

yeah they were

[south axle]

Lexicanum lists them as Matriarch and Patriarch. Can see the light Spyre hunter kit having a scythe and the Heavy kit having some extra tentacles

[jaunty dawn]

I imagine they'll be forge world releases that come later tbh

[past sphinx]

I can dream but squats haven't gotten an upgrade sprue yet

Did get like 4 character sculpts tho

[south axle]

They also got the very cute bot, Techmite

[uneven ember]

heh, I remember those dudes

[unreal cosmos]

Damn that's wild

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-naruto-sasuke-combo-kick-gif-12945152

visual representation of that post

[thin ibex]

i feel like calm WE isnt crossing a line, its expanding scope beyond a one-note to me

[upper bluff]

His backpack learned how to what?

[upper canopy]

learned how to

FUCK

[raw vessel]

He gave it the ability to learn from what he was doing so he could work more efficiently, then over time from warp exposure it took on a life of its own. The third book starts with someone finding it went off and started breeding and there's a whole nest of them

[upper canopy]

That's fucking hilarious

[thin ibex]

a nest of breedable backpacks is not on my bingo card

and is a very cursed idea

fitting though

[compact gate]

i feel like the suits are heretek just based off the lore so it fits

[uneven ember]

Necromunda has a (relative) wealth of Archaeotek

[dense sedge]

I wonder how the weird patriarch will look

[jaunty dawn]

early tau lore implies that it's xenotech

[ebon forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTewrQjhP4E best lore
10/10

[solemn gull]

Never underestimate spur and frenzon!

Hopefully we see ratskins and scavvies make a return too

Spyrers are definitely going to be my next gang although I might run them with venators if the spyrer rules force you to take the mech suits

[floral herald]

https://twitter.com/jetblackraider/status/1792315838281957571

jetblackraider 🐀 (@jetblackraider) on X

When is GW creating a themed 40k immersive hotel resort experience ???

Twitter · May 19, 2024, 10:06 PM

[past sphinx]

my friend does dual quad bolters and volkite not tickle the dakka lobe of your brain?

[solemn gull]

yeah it does but I want some of that OG spyrer flavour with the flying surfboards and stupid robes

these spyrers actually look like they know what they are doing

[past sphinx]

20 years of getting iced by dudes with guns that costed 5 bucks finally taught a few lessons i guess

[solemn gull]

these new suits and stuff do give me the vibes of those rich dudes who go to africa to hunt rare animals

I want to paint them up in khaki

[upper canopy]

Can you show the half Eldar hybrid line

[raw vessel]

||Not half Eldar, just Gland Hounds with some Eldar genetic material spliced into them (they are still capable of breeding). Fabius entrusts them to an Alpha Legion operative who wants them to infiltrate the Schola Progenium, and this was in M37 so who know how far they might have spread since then.||

[past sphinx]

My man loves sowing and has never had to do the reaping

fucking around and never finding out

[raw vessel]

||The third book consists almost entirely of him finding out.||

[past sphinx]

just chuckin hand fulls of seed into fields and wandering off

[past sphinx]

HA

[ebon forge]

Chaos bad
But they drip is so tight tho

[floral herald]

What’s going on here, is he holding the crozius upside down?

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/K7iRk/b0040237b5.jpg

"I didn't hear no bell"

[ebon forge]

See, he gets it
Khorne would be proud

[uneven ember]

I think they're drawing the no-wings Crozius you get sometimes now

[ebon forge]

Comic was released in 2020 so checks out

[uneven ember]

this dude

[floral herald]

Yeah that looks very much like it inspired that

But now I’m wondering what’s going on there haha

[ebon forge]

AoE buff /j

[uneven ember]

yeah IDK
Like half the Chaplain models they've come out with lately have either no wings on the Crozius or no helmet on (neither of which I really like tbh)

[ebon forge]

Femboy machine spirit is canon now

[upper canopy]

Use it like a cane

[desert jay]

Can't go worse than the Star Wars one :v

[floral herald]

It could be worse though

It's not a real thematic 40k hotel without beatings

[desert jay]

Beating beatings or like BDSM club level beatings?

[floral herald]

I think to keep this at all reasonable and not a bit the latter

[ebon forge]

Space Marine being sassy and sarcastic are still something new to me
But welcome

[floral herald]

cute 16.67%

(equivalent to +1 to hit in the TT)

[ebon forge]

OH! HAH
Cute

Source is:
WARHAMMER 40,000: MARNEUS CALGAR
Published by marvel

[thin ibex]

Hmm is marneus known for any specific tactics?

[floral herald]

buying time with personal sacrifice :p

[thin ibex]

I feel like making a Calgar list

xD

I recently purged like 520 lists lol

[floral herald]

AIUI Marneus Calgar is known for being a "true ultramarine" and being a master of many kinds of warfare

[bright dove]

Man did have to handle the Battle of Macaggre.

[uneven ember]

That was the Kieron Gillen one, right?
"We do not retreat." beat panel with explosion "We withdraw."

[sinful merlin]

it's so good

[uneven ember]

Ahhh, yeah, that was Gillen
They also had a bit in The Wicked + The Divine where one of the Pantheon discovers he's Nergal
But he's a 40K nerd so he decides to be Baphomet instead

[ebon forge]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Tarellians The T'au literally have space kobolds

[ebon forge]

YES~!

[jaunty dawn]

emps childs index out

only change seems to be that lucius can no longer rejoin his unit if he revives?

[upper bluff]

That's kinda lame but I guess understandable. No reason for precision to be worse than it already is

[dense sedge]

I wish we got more auxiliaries

[storm schooner]

people always say precision is bad until they snipe a leader

[thin ibex]

Yeah I don't really see how it's bad?

It does what it says on the tin, let's you target characters inside groups

It's nor relevant for some factions than others of course

But not "bad" imo

Especially now, with horde detachments becoming bigger I think, being able to skip the massive pile of wounds and threaten the buffer directly will probably be nice

[upper bluff]

Ok it's bad in admech, all of our precision is just one d3 so you can't one shot most leaders

There are definitely some units with precision that are good

[jaunty dawn]

normal precision is like

4 -1 2 though

7 -2 d3 is a lot better than that

[upper bluff]

Idk I've never had much success. It just feels like a lot of points to dump into 1 attack d3 weapons

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/21/download-index-emperors-children-and-unleash-a-catastrophic-cacophony/

emps children are out

[past sphinx]

no tzaangors

Also just being two units both that have models older than half the player base is funny as hell

[junior robin]

have not been this sad over EC since they list their unique hellbrute

[thin ibex]

arent the arquebus free?

[jaunty dawn]

if you're taking rangers anyway

or skitarii at all

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/21/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-faction-focus-stormcast-eternals/

[thin ibex]

arent skitarii vanguards at least considered a pretty useable battleline unit for admech? I honestly have no strong idea

[spice flicker]

Better than rangers

[pulsar cairn]

Ur better than rangers

[desert jay]

So EC gets a quote unquote army rule, sure

[desert jay]

It’s amusing that they’re telegraphing it this hard without a “stay tuned for the full codex” promo bit

[rocky shale]

Probably because ec isn't getting a codex for a year or something

[jaunty dawn]

probably not till like 26

late 25

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/16/play-the-chosen-of-slaanesh-in-chaos-space-marines-armies-with-index-emperors-children/ yeah the first post about it more or less told us to not expect to see it any time soon.

[desert jay]

Yeah I wouldn’t expect it this yeah but like a “coming in 2026” feels apropos at this point

[thin ibex]

might not be confident on release date/target

but yeah providing a year would be nice

[jaunty dawn]

I doubt warcom were told

[past sphinx]

Nice to see gw getting back to some comedy releases

[dense sedge]

Do we have the new roadmap yet?

[upper bluff]

No I imagine we'll get it around when the mystery faction is revealed

[dense sedge]

I hope drukhari isn’t soon, I want to pick up their combat patrol before it’s phased out and already have a bunch of other things to work through

Old combat patrol, new combat patrol and battle force is basically a full army

For a decent price by gw standards

[ebon forge]

Is this Ork trying to look cute

what a pose

[plucky token]

Jojo-lookin’ ork

[unreal cosmos]

Za Waaghrudo, is that anything?

[upper bluff]

Surely someone has made like a "daka daka literature club" parody or something

Or some other cutesy sounding anime name

[pulsar cairn]

i wish i was as strong as an ork

unless it meant i would break shit on accident

good bye mouse and keyboard

[upper bluff]

You could change tires so easily

[pulsar cairn]

tru

[cinder wraith]

TIL birmingham is a planet that exists in 40k

imperial fist outpost world

[unreal cosmos]

A planet so backwards and polluted no one wants to go there

I would love to do a Birmingham Musketeers IG regiment

[ebon forge]

I want this in a pin

Bestest Aquilla evur

[unreal cosmos]

Syncretism

[ebon forge]

less chances into being called a nazi if you put on your backpack too

[unreal cosmos]

Are there any nomadic SoB Orders?

[thin ibex]

Being a bit silly here

[unreal cosmos]

Ragnarok

[thin ibex]

I want to try running it some time even though I know it's probably not very good objectively

[uneven ember]

I don't know of any offhand, but I don't see why there couldn't be?
Maybe associated with an ongoing pilgrimage, or maybe the ship itself is the holy site. Or maybe their Cardinal World got conquered or eaten or something back in ancient history & now they're effectively itinerant.

(I feel like by & large there isn't a whole lot done to differentiate the SoB Orders aside from color scheme.)

[unreal cosmos]

I was definitely thinking of that last idea

[uneven ember]

I do kinda dig the whole "pushed off their territory" thing.
Like the Knights of Malta.
Or the Lot5R Hiruma back when they were cool.

[past sphinx]

i am now the proud owner of 1 (one) abbadon the armless

[past sphinx]

i find it very funny that about half of Horus rising is hey look as this, wouldnt this be ironic if they all stabbed each other to death over about a decade?

and of course

GRIM PORTENT

"i would never become the fucked up thing" (he said unknowing that he would infact be exactly that fucked up thing)

[remote wharf]

Orkquilla

[uneven ember]

I feel like "dramatic irony" is the point of like a third of the lines in the Heresy.

[solemn gull]

Slaanesh is the most creatively free of the chaos gods

[uneven ember]

I feel like that might be Tzeentch tbh
He almost winds up the Chaos God of Chaos Stuff

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1242676434443567197/IMG_1729.png?ex=664eb41d&is=664d629d&hm=789fb0bfa59d1e63212ecd83d9374eb6c11ba2cfcca6b3108b1b3a4e8682dfbe&

[floral herald]

You need to be STOPPED

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/cackling-evil-laugh-witch-creeping-gif-5632950

[desert jay]

Do you really need the whole bottle into the pot at once?

[jaunty dawn]

csm point changes

chaos reigns

[deft crest]

Playing through new Gelt campaign start and you hit the end of the starting "quest" line in like 12 ish turns, This is a really cool way to handle his new start if you don't like the Adventures in Cathay IE Start.

spoilers for Total Warhammer 3 stuff

"Go Home" is a strong ass way to just get a cool alternate campaign start like how Skarbrand can just pull out of the thunderdome with cults

[brisk mountain]

This has to be some sort of hobby crime

[tired cairn]

The label not fitting is the cherry on top

[jaunty dawn]

5+ ward is almost 6 wounds

(+2 wounds)

[bright dove]

Stormfiends are also Moulder, iirc.

[jaunty dawn]

should be

not a new thing but 'form a regular triangle' is fun

[bright dove]

Ahhh, the favorite Skaven Endless Spell.

Largely because it's so much area denial.

[still warren]

damn more more lightning is plus six attacks not plus 1d6

[jaunty dawn]

damn

[thin ibex]

thats very on flavor

[still warren]

it also includes stormfiends

[thin ibex]

are their infantry units generally going to be lower quality?

[still warren]

yeah usually

[bright dove]

Define lower quality

[thin ibex]

uhhh

"generally less capable than peer infantry"

in terms of justifying getting them back for free

cause itd be pretty wild for like... elite infantry factions to consistently get their units back all the time

[still warren]

well the current wording lets you get stormfiends back, so uh pretty good

[south axle]

Like, Skaven is often seen as a horde army, but like earlier mentioned, Stormfiends are Infantry so

[jaunty dawn]

it costs a command point

but in general its coming out of their summoning budget probably

[south axle]

Have we seen an article going in on what "replacement" means?

[jaunty dawn]

in terms of balance stuff in a faction with access to summoning or revival etc is gonna cost more than a faction that has none

iirc currently there's also a general rule that a unit can only be replaced once

so there's that

[bright dove]

Clanrats were the go to for point efficiency for a bit, iirc

[jaunty dawn]

if you want three free half stormfiend units you're paying for three stormfiend units in the first place. plus they have to actually die

[still warren]

replacement unit rounding up is big, means you get 2/3rds of a stormfiend unit

[tired cairn]

Hmm, 40k used to work that way and then they changed it for 10th. I wonder if new AoS will change it

Or are summoning budgets separate from total army points budgets?

[jaunty dawn]

no like

[thin ibex]

summoning has always been weird in 40k

[jaunty dawn]

it's not a player facing thing

[tired cairn]

Oh, like it's priced into the army?

[jaunty dawn]

it's just a fact that summoning is so common in aos that the baseline assumes some amount of it

[tired cairn]

Yeah, that's the most sensible way to handle this sort of thing

[thin ibex]

tangential question, but what is statistically more likely, hitting on a 3+ or hitting on a 4+ but you can reroll?

[jaunty dawn]

a faction that has more of it costs more per unit, a faction that has none costs less

the latter is better I think

[tired cairn]

I think it's pretty straightforward in 10th. Though they basically replaced demon summoning with deep strike (which is fine imo)

[jaunty dawn]

4.5/6 vs 4/6

[thin ibex]

hmm neat

i was thinking about various rules ways to represent space marines as elite infantry/units

and then worked backwards and was like

what if they has the same bs/ws as "normal people" armies, but had more rerolls

probably not a good balance avenue tho

but the thought was 4+/4+ marines instead of 3+/3+

[still warren]

skaven can get replacement units and also spells that turn people into rats

[tired cairn]

I think the main issue is it means you don't have the space to add rerolls as abilities (e.g. for commanders). Though space marines already have that problem with oath of moments

[jaunty dawn]

full rerolls also just takes ages

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1792997867910574144

[floral herald]

Wait

They made chosen cheaper

???

Abaddon probably needed more than 15 off with the nerfs he got but he’s still usable

[south axle]

What's with WarCom mistyping in articles lately?

The spyrer article the other day said 4 activations instead of 4 actions. And now today the free Chaos Wars roll article says Abraxia can issue the same command twice when the image, and the scroll, saying 3 times

[thin ibex]

what do legionaires do if chosen are even cheaper

[plucky token]

that's so weird. the MFM says the chosen went up in price, but they're 5 points cheaper for a 5 man unit as far as i can tell

[finite compass]

Probably an arbitrary headcount limit on Chosen

But still...

[floral herald]

Infiltrate :p

[finite compass]

Can they do that by default, or do you have to take a legion trait

[floral herald]

Legionaries are still solid asf battleline and compete with Chosen for offensive power on objectives

[floral herald]

The joke is that you just bring them with Deceptors

[thin ibex]

im a big fan of legionnaires just cause like

they do a bit of everything

[finite compass]

I know they're meant to be legion agnostic this go-round, but Deceptors still screams 'Alpha Legion' to me.

And my army is Word Bearers. >_>

[plucky token]

they did say in the blog post previewing them that the Deceptors detachment was specifically meant to invoke Alpha Legion flavor

[floral herald]

Chosen are just also like that but with mostly better weapons

[plucky token]

ah, okay. i guess the MFM point change highlights are in relation to the points that were printed out in the Codex, which would explain why they don't match up to the previous points probably

[south axle]

Codex point haven't been on point since 10th launched

[floral herald]

Some of them do but yeah, codex points weren’t that different this time around

[plucky token]

mhm, mhm

i was just confused for a bit seeing chosen and the generic chaos lord highlighted in red when they both went down 5 points, or legionaries highlighted in green when they're the same cost

anyways- does look like CSM players will be eating good now. or even better than before, rather, they were already doing pretty well as i recall

[finite compass]

Just give me my full LatD list already, dammit ;_;

[rocky shale]

Cheaper forge fiends and maulerfiends...

[thin ibex]

but chosen cant bring a sick gatling gun or angry book can they?

or one dude with a chain axe named Boris

[floral herald]

No they get a pile of plasma pistols and combi weapons and lightning claws boris instead

But Legionaries can take out T8 ish enemies better for sure yeah

Chosen I think pull ahead with MoK+super lethal hits with all those power swords but that’s it

But also MoK lethal hits chosen are kind of an anti-everything unit on the charge

[desert jay]

Accursed Cultists going from 105 to 85 is cracked, from what I remember

[floral herald]

They lost the ability to regenerate bodies but gained scout and some melee oomph

So they aren’t annoying backline objective holders now but are annoying melee distractions now

[desert jay]

Yeah, but the discount might be enough to carry Chaos Cult

[tepid stratus]

Personally I'm a fan of undivided chosen with Fabius. That extra toughness and strength helps especially if you aren't running pact bound

[floral herald]

I like the Abaddonhammer chosen blob

Just Abaddon, 10 chosen, and like a land raider or something to put them in melee

Chosen with fat rerolls and maybe a 4++

[desert jay]

That's like 750 pts but sure

Probably still worth

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s expensive as hell

But CSM has a lot of good budget units so you can kind of afford a deathstar

And Abaddon means you’re committing to the deathstar basically

[tepid stratus]

I mean the Terminator death Star ain't much cheaper to be fair

[desert jay]

That's true

I remember reading the Boarding Patrol rules last year and seeing a 495 pt unit on the whitelist and laughing (10 DA Deathwing Knights)

[thin ibex]

oh i was saying the legionnaires have a bit more personality to me, the chosen are ultimately a stronge generalist combat unit

despite not having heavy weapons

cause you can have bolter guys, chainsword guys, angry book guy, heavy weapons guy

and heavy melee guy

they all feel like specialists in a unit

(which is obviously because of the KT i think)

but its neat

[upper bluff]

I agree. The option of having a heavy weapon is very nice

[finite compass]

Also you can actually give your Lord a jump pack again

Which I am all here for

[floral herald]

Yeah Legionaries are one of the units which got the “kill team character shot in the arm”

And legionaries are good

[thin ibex]

chosen feel like... the faceless elite guys in a scifi story who all just have equally good shit and are vaguely declarative as being strong; while the legionnaires feel like plucky mcs

[floral herald]

Chosen are just barely more expensive and all carry power swords not generic CCWs

[thin ibex]

thers prolly a better way to say that but that how my brain framed it

[upper bluff]

I get what you mean, legionaries feel like individual guys, chosen feel like a StarCraft unit

Just a blob of identical tough guys you move around and kill things with

Legionaries you build yourself

[tepid stratus]

Tragically the days of customizable chosen died with 9th

They used to have access to basically all the special and melee weapons

[floral herald]

Yeah chosen used to be the super customizable guys

[thin ibex]

yeah iirc chosen and wolf guard were effectively the same unit

in terms of raw customizability

i had a love/hate relationship with "every wolf guard can have their own specific loadout from effectively the entire armory" vibes

because narratively i vibe hard with wolf guard having their personal favs and fighting styles

but mechanically it was a pain in the arse

[floral herald]

Wolf guard were actually ahead some because of being able to put termies and PA in the same unit

But they were all similar “veterans who get to choose their gear” units

[thin ibex]

fun part was that narratively, nothing requires a wolf guard to be a veteran

if the wolf lord just likes a dude, he can be like "you're in my wolf guard now"

and they get pulled out of hte normal hierarchal progression for the chapter

logan is guilty of having a boat load of wolfguard

i think ragnar is an example of someone who became a wolf guard out of being a blood claw

im not certain but i think arjac was like wolfguarded out of recruitment

ah no he was an iron priest first

its a bit funny that in arjacs narrative, the iron priest vault was attacked by "kraken spawn" and then when logan arrived to help, he arrived with "100 thunderhawks"

thats just such a wild number

who arrives with 100 thunderhawks to help against a single attack

i chalk that up to more space wolf tall tale telling

[uneven ember]

Look it's not fair to expect Space Wolves to count.

[pastel rampart]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOMpbWNWQAEqZcc?format=jpg&name=medium

Hear me out: daemon prince who's an uplifted ant that Khorne was impressed with.

[junior robin]

the myrmidon

[dense sedge]

That sounds very khorne tbh

[spice flicker]

Kinda tempted to do a crusade campaign with friends structured after the forges of mars omnibus

I wish I had a way to emulate the crystal crystalids though

[thin ibex]

Been building like... identity lists for factions, deathwatch I'm kind of least familiar with but this was my go at it

[spice flicker]

Going through every faction and building a small list to see what you like and if the faction is really of interest or not is how I got hooked on the drukhari.

Also regular eldar have grown on me.

[thin ibex]

its funny i like regular aeldari a lot

but i dont gravitate to building them in a competitive manner at all

[spice flicker]

Kinda want to brainstorm up a list (1k and 2k) focused around bikes, wraiths, and rangers.

[rocky shale]

Fitting a wraith brick at 1k could be tough

[thin ibex]

They'll be a centerpiece for sure

And I'd probably stick to a 5 man of either/or rather than both

[spice flicker]

Oh definitely stick to 5 man axes at 1k with maybe a wraith lord or two as well

[rocky shale]

I'd skip the wraithlord tbh. Hitting on 4s for that many points is rough. You can kinda get away with the 2 flamer 2 bright lance lord because you get to rerolled one hit.

Wraiths generally always need a spiritseer to do work

[spice flicker]

2k wraith & bikes list
2000/2000

Autarch, fusion pistol, star glaive, warlord
Illic Nightspear
3x spiritseer
Warlock, singing spear

10x guardian defenders, bright lance
5x rangers
10x striking scorpions
3x5 wraithblades, axes+shields

1x3 shining spears, star lance
2x3 shroud runners
2x3 windriders, shuriken cannons

1x Wraithlord, 2x flamers, 2x bright lances, ghostglaive

2x wave serpent, shuriken cannon, twin bright lance

[thin ibex]

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