If not this year then next I assume. Definitely before the edition ends.
#Warhammer and Such
unreal cosmos
junior robin
maybe I should read the whole thing first...
azure heron
40k finally gets a Fulgrim model, and it's the clone Flugrim that returns to the imperial fold after killing his daemonic counterpart.
jaunty dawn
No One Can Say,,,,
junior robin
and the clone somehow manages to turn the EC loyalist again 
jaunty dawn
warcom do not have that much advanced knowledge tbh
no real way of knowing what their actual lead time is but it's not far
desert jay
Some rumor engines have been like 3 years but they play pretty close to the chest outside that
jaunty dawn
oh yeah
desert jay
I take the last section as a “yes but not soon”
jaunty dawn
but I'm pretty sure they just get given those in the same form we see them
desert jay
Probably a 2025 release
My question is… TS and DG and WE all have units that are slightly altered CSM units and use the same kit, is the EC index gonna have any of these or just be literally two datasheets?
jaunty dawn
that is a good question
but probably just the three (lucius/fabius/noise)
since the index still has them as csm units
desert jay
Oh I forgot about Fabius
ebon forge
Ah yes
Fabulous Billy
still warren
https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/blogs/14-thrones-of-decay-introducing-elspeth-von-draken big old empire rework I'm very excited for
Gunnery school mechanic.
Reworked imperial authority
KF getting his own unique mechanic
Gelt new start pos AND new mechanic.
Dwarf rework coming as well
tired cairn
you’re free to use whatever you like from the big buffet of units and Detachments that is Codex: Chaos Space Marines.
And then when the codex comes out, almost all of those options can be removed 😛
upper bluff
Supposedly Lucius and the noise marines will still be available for CSM
I mean noise marines for sure as battleline
tired cairn
A hypothetical codex release might change that
I hope the codex let's cult marines use Dark Pacts when in a CSM army
tired cairn
A hypothetical codex release might change that
Oh, nevermind. Cult marines keep their battleline keyword
ruby token
ok y’all hear me out: feudal knight guard army
ebon forge
y e s
ruby token
it’ll cost 10000 dollars but damn it’d be fun
or i could make them from the kasrkin team
tired cairn
It'll never happen, but Knights should get some sort of techno-levies as infantry units
ruby token
100%
like cooler skitarii
fuck i also kinda want to make knightstodes
give them dumb little landsknecht hats
ebon forge
Do Helldiver Automatons Necrons too
pulsar cairn
ruby token
~~Do Helldiver Automatons Necrons too~~
i can only afford one kitbash :(
the knightstodes or house guard kasrkin are also easier to stop
i’d get ENGROSSED in making my dumb little necrons
ebon forge
:3c
spice flicker
Currently I am working with planning things out for the below 1k tau mont'ka list
Ethereal, warlord, 2x gun drones
Cadre fireblade, 2x gun drones
2x10 strike teams, guardian drone, gun drone
2x6 Stealth suits, 2x fusion blasters, 2x gun drones
2x broadsides, heavy rail rifle, twin sms, 2x missile drones, weapon support systems
2x riptides, ion accelerator, 2x missile drones, twin sms
1000/1000 points
I was also working on how to expand it further to 1500 points and was wondering which set of changes to make.
A) hammerhead, 3rd riptide (heavy burst cannon), pathfinder squad, and fusion piranha duo
B) 2nd Cadre fireblade, 2x10 breachers (guardian drone+gun drone), pathfinders, 2x Devilfish, and 40 points to spare somewhere
C) pathfinders, and a stormsurge
mental birch
IMO montka is the breacherfish army
spice flicker
So you say go with B?
spice flicker
Maybe add C when I go from 1.5-2k?
spice flicker
This is for a crusade and I was considering adding a taunar with Heavy rail array when we get to 3k points.
Just to say why not
thin ibex
I mean, crusade is the place to take vanity and fun picks, totally go for it
jaunty dawn
for real
ruby token
is crusade the narrative one?
jaunty dawn
mhm
spice flicker
So stormtalus A, B, or C for 1500 and which for 2k?
spice flicker
Any advice for that 40 spare points in B besides a 3rd Cadre?
thin ibex
mmm, not really no, a 3rd cadre fireblade fits nicely enough onto one of your strike teams
spice flicker
Just afraid of having too many characters
If I do nothing however, when I upgrade to 2k I can get both a stormsurge and a skyray or hammerhead.
ebon forge
I wonder if Big E conseption about the Horus Heresy has changed, how he said humanity has lost.
No matter the outcome, it's forever plagued by chaos and Horus' ignorance
dense sedge
Yeah I was painting a magos a few weeks ago so I immediately recognized it
pulsar cairn
where's my new crazy grandpa necron lore
i forgot his name
he's got a bodyguard who basically acts as his fricking nurse at this point
spice flicker
Didn't they get moved to legends?
pulsar cairn
i hope not
spice flicker
Yep legend'd
Szeras, Imotekh, Silent King, Orikan, and trayzn only remaining named necrons who aren't c'tan.
desert jay
Watching Poorhammer and thinking about their "army rule should affect the whole army" bit/guideline and how many factions break that
It's no less than four! AdMech, Custodes, Tau, and TSons
desert jay
Tsons actually has more datasheets without the army rule than with it
jaunty dawn
it's actually quite interesting that Sisters is not on this list because acts of faith only became universal this edition
desert jay
And that includes "X, X on disc" and "Y, Y with wings", "Z, Z in termie armor" as 2 sheets each for "with rule" category
jaunty dawn
stuff like death cult and arco flaggellants didn't have the rule in 9th
gsc is on the list though, characters don't have cult ambush
desert jay
Shit, you're right
That's also half their sheets (as well as both Goliath sheets also lacking it)
jaunty dawn
and tyranids are weird because they have one universal special rule and one that's only on synapse creatures
desert jay
Yeah. Though the latter also gives you the full benefit if you have any unit with the rule alive
jaunty dawn
(and I kinda hate how they handled synapse, cause the rule isn't even written such that they need to give it to everything and having the thing that determines synapse creatures be in the keywords and not in the big rules box is silly)
tsons having a like
rubric special rule
and the implications cause that would affect rhinos and stuff as well maybe
that could be interesting
I think partially the limitation is just having to fit stuff on a card at the end of the day though
thin ibex
Hmm, if I did a space wolf crusade army, I'd be committed to using the Detachment, meaning I'd be playing character spam...
desert jay
Are you committed to the detachment for crusade and not any of the standard SM ones?
Not that character spam is exactly discouraged for crusade tho
jaunty dawn
crusade also lets you take enhancements from any detachment
thin ibex
Oh does it?
thin ibex
Are you committed to the detachment for crusade and not any of the standard SM o...
I would be but crusade does not require you to be
jaunty dawn
yeah
but ofc once a character has an enhancement they have that one for the campaign
you get one when you build a force but after it use up a 'level up' cause the requistition is instead of getting a battle honor
and gets more expesnsive in requisition points for 2nd and 3rd+ ones
untold swallow
ok y’all hear me out: feudal knight guard army
I’ve written a whole fictional Knight solar system based on this concept
Where the locally trained Tempestus Scions are all formally adopted into branches of the family that operates their schola
So all the tempestus and knight units under a house are formally related
ruby token
yo that’s fuckin sick
untold swallow
Thank you!
If a tempestus officer is decorated enough they eventually become an armiger pilot
ruby token
aughh all the 40k talk makes me want to spend an irresponsible amount of money now
untold swallow
lol
I deliberately make factions I can’t make on the tabletop
Like ImpMarines that are mostly psykers
Who on the tabletop basically have to be thousand sons
ruby token
I deliberately make factions I can’t make on the tabletop
that’s based
i just come up with random kill team ideas
desert jay
Who on the tabletop basically have to be thousand sons
Could also run them as Grey Knights but both GK and TS have small rosters
untold swallow
I refuse to run GK on the principle their wrist-mounted bolters are stupid and for them, borderline pointless
Because don’t they like
all have Witchfire?
floral herald
No they're specialized and trained mostly in defensive psychic powers and stuff like Hammerhand
floral herald
The wrist mounted storm bolters were originally because they all used halberds and are now just because they all use 2 or 2 handed melee weapons
untold swallow
The Ivory Drakes are very much the ‘eats lightning and shits out Thunder’ type of psyker
floral herald
And usually fight at close range
untold swallow
Hence why needing to be TS
floral herald
Yeah TS is really your best bet for a high-psyker space marine ruleset
Normal marines don't have enough and GK are highly specialized
untold swallow
Ye
desert jay
Okay yeah
floral herald
I'm actually a big fan of GK in general but I recognize that they aren't an ideal fit
I think only their librarians actually have much in the way of witchfire
Otherwise its all melee stuff or defensive buffs
desert jay
Should've made Smite a universal strat like grenades are
floral herald
that could be neat
Though iirc GK have always had kind of limited access to it
Just GMs and Librarians?
Aegis and Hammerhand were the more universal ones
upper bluff
It still makes me so sad that the Horus Heresy Legio Cybernetica units aren't in 40k because the guy writing the book died
Like maybe Ad Mech would be better with a few extra robots
floral herald
That guy is responsible for so many cool ass 40k things
Alan Bligh was a genuine titan
pastel rampart
It still makes me so sad that the Horus Heresy Legio Cybernetica units aren't in...
Wouldn't GW own the rights to it anyway?
upper bluff
Wouldn't GW own the rights to it anyway?
I'm sure they do it's just the project was put on indefinite hiatus or something
So it's not impossible it was just supposed to have happened already
jaunty dawn
yeah it's just straight up that he was carrying forge world
and no one really took the mantle
pastel rampart
Aah.
upper bluff
So now I just get to stare at the castellax and wish I could use it
jaunty dawn
cause pretty much everything done at fw was a passion project
upper bluff
There's a world where this thing is like a 400 point knight with doctrina imperatives
wait how big is it
jaunty dawn
oh that's like regular dread
jaunty dawn
that's like leviathan dread sized
upper bluff
jaunty dawn
which is because lev dreads were built to fight these if the mechanicum ever stopped helping the imperium!
upper bluff
anyways maybe 11th edition gamesworkshop will let me buy them
junior summit
the eternal conflict between balanced listbuilding and "wait I can just take more robots"
you're right imperial knights does run best with a bunch of armigiers alongside the big knights
but also look at that fucking castellan
jaunty dawn
just realised the knight in this image is holding a chainsword
I think it also has the barrels of an avenger gatling cannon as it's hull weapon??
I kinda wanna build another knight
not that this is a new feeling it's just a really fun kit to build and paint
and ik I could do a better job this time too
plus now the kit has the internals from the canis rex spruee
ebon forge
thin ibex
Hmm what's cooler, Gravis captain leading aggressors as the core of the space wolf crusade, terminators, or a normal power armor guy leading bladeguard
thin ibex
I feel like aggressors fit nicely into space wolves, aside from being a bit slow, they are a nice ranged+melee combo unit
cinder wraith
https://fxtwitter.com/basedbinkie/status/1780017219323548157
this will kill me /pos
last moss
entertaining the idea of building an orks army that is instead a bunch of tiny cats in big silly vehicles and robots (a la metal slug), because it amuses me and would be one of few things even more Playing Toys than actual orks
dense sedge
https://fxtwitter.com/basedbinkie/status/1780017219323548157
There aren’t any female necron named characters huh
unreal cosmos
There's at least one, probably more
desert jay
Named characters yes, named characters on the tabletop no
junior robin
Twitter
not sure whats more funny, them using the wrong big golden guys or calling adeptus custodes a brigade.
still warren
"Warhammer umbrella firm Games Workshop" 90% chance this is ai generated slop aggregator but if not do they think Games workshop is owned by a company named Warhammer?
junior robin
I don't know the daily mail well enough to know if they use AI, but I would believe someone there could get the companys name wrong.
desert jay
I think the other way around, Warhammer as a subsidiary of GW
spice flicker
First time I've ever heard the custodes referred to as a brigade
still warren
Oh shit it's the daily mail so just normal human slop, how could you not include the headline "Wokehammer"
Twitter
ebon forge
https://twitter.com/ICantThinkEm/status/1780593972584521857
this HAS to be bait, right
junior robin
I sure hope so
jaunty dawn
no that's just the daily mail
ebon forge
Daily dumpsterfire
proud wing
Christ
the us army has allowed women for decades, are they woke?
like, the imperium is still pretty much the most right-wing organization in all of fiction
pine matrix
I love Wokehammer 40k Genders
proud wing
do these people just automatically start frothing at the mouth at the mention of girls
pine matrix
Yes
pine matrix
I wonder if it's a thing of women (or LGTBQ+) in general no longer being in a designated "area*. Like, "oh the sisters of battle are the women faction, but my Space Marines or Custodes are Men so I can project all my perception of Manliness onto them". When they're told "no, the lines are blurred, there's women in this faction you thought were only Men" it bursts that bubble
I don't remember there being this much of an uproar when they added options for lady cadians?
ebon forge
yeah I can see that
Also that kind of people think that, if you add anything that is not a male caucasian on the spotlight, it's already "WHY ARE YOU GOING POLITICAL AND WOKE?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
spice flicker
Wasn't there a screenshot or data pr something recently that showed that Vanguard and Blackrock (you know that company with the CEO adamant about using money and investments to reshape the world and people thoughts as he sees fit) owned a rather large portion of the GW stock?
ebon forge
Who are those two?
spice flicker
Iirc Blackrock and Vanguard are also among the biggest sources or ESG and DEI funds so this could conmected.
spice flicker
Who are those two?
Among the worst businesses out there tbh. Using investments and stocks to reshape and control culture and society to their whims all in the name of whatever cause they want. I wish I was making it up and exaggerate but nope. If there is a company that you once liked but ended up making moves that went against the community in favor of something else or making major changes that is out of character for them, just look at the list of investors and you'll likely find one or both of them. Blackrock is also notorious in the states for purchasing up a massive amount of single family homes and just doing nothing with them just to drive up value and then renting them out to make more money. Honestly among the most scummy of businesses but with enough PR prowess and influence to stay off the public's radar for the most part.
proud wing
I don't remember there being this much of an uproar when they added options for ...
what edition did they add female cadians? i can't find mention on google to them being added
mental birch
It's the daily sieg heil
mental birch
what edition did they add female cadians? i can't find mention on google to them...
In the fiction? Been since forever
pine matrix
what edition did they add female cadians? i can't find mention on google to them...
I thought they got options in the new cadian kits?
mental birch
In 9e they finally got around to fixing the kits
The old guardsman kit could have finished university by the time it was replaced
It was literally just GW being too cheap to redo the cadian kit
spice flicker
Larry Fink is the CEO of blackrock and has been very controversial with his agenda. Blackrock is indeed a significant shareholder of GW and below is part of a news article that was quoting the Blackrock CEO:
"Behaviors are gonna have to change and this is one thing were asking companies. You have to force behaviors, and at BlackRock we are forcing behaviors," the CEO said.
Fink, whose firm owns shares in everyday companies such as Amazon, Apple, MasterCard, Johnson & Johnson, Walmart and Walt Disney Co., touted adding "4 more points of diverse employment" that year.
"What we're doing internally is if you don't achieve these levels of impact, your compensation could be impacted," Fink said, before AmEx's former CEO admitted the company was "doing the same thing."
"You have to force behaviors. If you don't force behaviors, whether it's gender or race or just any way you want to say the composition of your team, you're going to be impacted. That not just recruiting, it's development," Fink said. "We're gonna have to force change."
The fact they are using their money to pretty much strong arm companies into dancing to their tune, try to reshap society, and not giving a crap about what the company wants to do (and pretty much forcing them to not say anything about Blackrock's extortion/blackmail by another name) as well as what they're doing to the American housing market is why I can't stand Blackrock or Larry Fink.
desert jay
But it's also essentially an investment firm and this is all basically a marketing gimmick to get investors to pick them over other funds
spice flicker
Honestly I don't really care if there are female custodes or not but this move just reeks of GW either trying to get more Blackrock/Vanguard money or they were silently being forced to do it to maintain the flow of the money.
At its core it was just a PR stunt to get more investment money and that was it.
spice flicker
But it's also essentially an investment firm and this is all basically a marketi...
Indeed which but the fact Blackrock and Vanguard (which are essentially the same in all but name) hold so much sway over companies is what I find troublesome.
jaunty dawn
I think if this was a pr stunt they would have ummm
done anything
other than a single damage control tweet
desert jay
Investment funds and individual investors in general hold a big amount of sway over companies, Blackrock et al are just more vocal about it. But also yeah, what Pennywen said
bright dove
Yeah, this just sort of happened
mental birch
Its literally just a change in editorial rules that trickled fown
Like how unit sizes got tweaked
desert jay
At the very least for a PR stunt you can put out a new sprue
mental birch
In the new codices
jaunty dawn
it has more in common with whether a squad is allowed to use weapons not in the box than literally anything else
bright dove
They basically did the equivalent of "btw there's female custodes" and nothing else
mental birch
More akin to the crisis suit teams being max 3
ebon forge
Among the worst businesses out there tbh. Using investments and stocks to reshap...
So almost irl Pentex
spice flicker
Oh I know but the fact Blackrock/Vanguard/Larry Fink has as many shares as they do does make me concerned for GW just in general.
spice flicker
Never heard of pentex but looked them up. You're probably not far off the point.
Unfortunately
ebon forge
sad
spice flicker
Yeah it's pretty unfortunate.
rocky shale
Its literally just a change in editorial rules that trickled fown
I think it's the queen's ghost possessing GW writers and turning them into servants of woke
There's no simpler explanation here
spice flicker
So whatcha think about the new kroxigor 4th edition profile?
jaunty dawn
honestly I think this is fair enough
I find the new anti-x rules super interesting! it's kinda like how Legions Imperialis handles weapon specialties when it also has no toughness mechanic (it doesn't have a wound roll at all!)
and I think units like kroxigors, with how restrained they've been in giving them control, it makes sense they need an option against large units
cause if something that big is still only 2 control per model, big units are gonna be thriving on objectives
especially without battleshock being a thing
south axle
It's kinda interesting to not see any unit size and and actually writing the moonstone allowance as 1/3 instead of 1 in every 3
jaunty dawn
there's a ton of smort space saving changes for the datasheets
which is allowing them to remain fairly complex
unit size has been part of the pitched battle profile alongside points for a while now, at least the current edition
south axle
Stats and weapons seems to be buffed compared to the old ones
More wounds and has an easier time to wound
desert jay
I understand they probably have gameplay reasons but I hate the narrative framing of it, it ruffles my feathers
jaunty dawn
I think it's kinda lampshading the whole "every other faction has a rule about how they're super special brave"
desert jay
Which also ruffles my feathers when not for undead/etc
jaunty dawn
that's fair
I think removing morale if it's not something that the designers are interested in pursuing is just as valid a response as making morale matter universally is the thing
south axle
I just want to see some more Skaven stuff, either rules or models, for 4th Ed
south axle
Monday should have a new model if they do alternating Stormcast and Skaven, tho I lack Skaven stuff in this article as all unit specific stuff in the last article was Stormcast
bright dove
The death of morale bodes well for Skaven
jaunty dawn
this article interstingly has like. a much better explenation of modular rules in its undertones than the article about modular rules
cause if a unit needs it, it can straight up have it's own alternative fight sequence
without needing that to also explain how you even use an alternative fight sequence
literally just a keyword
desert jay
I think removing morale if it's not something that the designers are interested ...
Making me imagine "battleshock exists but only for these factions specifically"
south axle
I wonder what we'll get as our next Skaven as both has gotten a Core, and the 2nd Stormcast model is more of an "Elite"
jaunty dawn
hoping to see the war machine stuff sooner rather than later
tired cairn
Making me imagine "battleshock exists but only for these factions specifically"
Give each faction its own unique battleshock!
tired cairn
Oh, are orks not cowards when enough of them die in AoS?
south axle
I wanna see some NeoGutterRunners
tired cairn
Ha fair
Battleshock but instead of a bad thing if you fail, it's a bonus if you pass? Could be weird gameplay wise
ruby token
I wonder if it's a thing of women (or LGTBQ+) in general no longer being in a de...
it’s totally that
jaunty dawn
it's also just kinda manufactured
cause custodes wasn't the boys club in the same way space marines are
ruby token
wdym
jaunty dawn
space marines are explicitly all male. like it has actual lore behind it, such as it is
female custodes just weren't mentioned and the concept of them being all male was only vaguely alluded to at best
proud wing
and like, a few years ago they just retconned a century-long war to have not happened
and everything in warhammer lore is contradictory and malleable
jaunty dawn
honestly I feel like egalaritarian order vs a heavily gendered order is Way More of a contrast than dumb gender war stuff
ruby token
and like, a few years ago they just retconned a century-long war to have not hap...
wait which one
jaunty dawn
when 8th released the indomitus crusade took a century
it was a massive leap forward for the setting etc
ruby token
wait fr?
jaunty dawn
and then they realised wait, that means half our named characters are mcfuckin dead
so the whole thing got rolled back
tired cairn
and then they realised wait, that means half our named characters are mcfuckin d...
I thought they could have hand-waved that with rejuvenation tech. But also having to change the timeline is hilarious and/or cowardice
obtuse violet
One thing I was thinking is that... Why are the custodes even gendered at all?
Like, hell yeah female custodes, I'm stoked. But also... Why are there even male custodes? Gender is such a non thing to them
bright dove
They do start as humans. Parts generally come pre-packaged with that
upper bluff
The real question is how much they care about their old life after so long
obtuse violet
I assume those parts are long gone with the genetic wizardry/massive changes they make
But that's an assumption!
My heart just wants nb/ace bananas
pastel rampart
Some of them do remember their earlier lives, but how much depends on the individual.
thin ibex
Whats the case (pros/cons), in your eyes respectively, for the following units being narratively core to a space wolves or wolfspear army?
Aggressors
Terminators
Bladeguard
they all seem like nice, important looking units for a wolf lord to surround themselves with
bladeguard has a more trim aesthetic
aggressors are the new kids on the block
I do feel like bladeguard with round shields can really sell that space viking vibe
spice flicker
Well if you're doing this for a crusade I have a few ideas for names for the squads at least. Aggressors are good especially if given a transport like a LR Redeemer to shuttle a 6 around with flamers and a captain or biologis. Due to the flamers and how they are decent at locking down an objective once situated they could be named after Cerebus. Bladeguard are good at pressing forward and either sweeping something off an objective or holding it but can't really do both at the same time. Due to their usage of Swords maybe name them after Sif from Dark Souls. Terminators are a classic with their armaments being able to go up against most threats though also the most expensive for MSU. If I ran some terminators in a space wolves crusade force I might name the squad after Fenrir.
1k or 2k points?
If for 2k I have an idea for you:
space wolves "Iron Wolves of Fenris"
Champions of Russ
3x Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Terminator Armor, Storm bolter, thunder hammer, one is warlord
1x Cyberwolf
3x flamer aggressors
2x6 bladeguard veterans
2x5 terminators, power fists, Storm Bolters, cyclonic missiles
1x5 wolf guard terminators, power fists, Storm bolters, missiles
10x fenrisian wolves
2x Land raiders
2x impulsors
1990/2000
Load the bladeguard into the impulsors, deep strike the wolf guard terminator squad, load up other terminators into either deep strike or in the LR, and have the aggressors "dissuade" any from challenging your home objective.
The fenrisian wolves and cyberwolf are just for cheap harassment and quickly moving for secondaries possibly.
upper bluff
Whats the case (pros/cons), in your eyes respectively, for the following units b...
I'm a huge fan of Bladeguard it just kinda bothers me how Ultra Mariney they look
They're just such a fun all rounder melee unit
And AP 1 on the bolt pistols isn't anything to sneeze at as well as the sergeant getting a plasma pistol
thin ibex
i definitely think that the wolfguard being bladeguard work a lot better for, say, wolfspears
as an honor guard for the lord
if i was going pure narrative, id say reivers or hounds or morkai also make great wolfspear wolf guard
but even with crusade benefits and xp, they aren't very good for a phobos captain
i feel like both terminators and aggressors give off more of that bear like vibe
i know mechanically aggressors REALLY benefit offensively from having twin linked everywhere
meanwhile terminators are tough to kill efficiently in most cases but suffer a bit offensively
spice flicker
Aggressors I feel either need a transport to get around or get scout/infiltrate from one of the Vanguard enhancements or if not just drop them somewhere and have them hold the line.
thin ibex
mechanically they pair so beatifully with an LR
pulsar cairn
Are custodes able to have children?
thin ibex
and with a crusader, you can get a captain and a biologis on a squad of 6 with bolters, to make a very lethal squad that can shoot and charge out of a vehicle
pulsar cairn
I ask cause im trying to figure out what else they have in common with bananas
floral herald
I don’t think there’s ever been anything said on it
thin ibex
yeah i dont think theres anything concrete about custodes ability to have kids, but i suspect they do not
just on a gut feeling
pulsar cairn
Banana folk
thin ibex
part of their training and identity is to be wholly and completely devoted to the emperor
they have little time or care for progeny i think
pulsar cairn
Only nobles get picked to be custodians right?
floral herald
Sooorta
pulsar cairn
Cane's book description of a noble makes me think of them as nightmare fuel
thin ibex
custodes very much live in a world apart from humans, even moreso than space marines
spice flicker
Personally I found the redeemer to be better than the crusader
Sure you are limited to only 1 character instead of 2 with the aggressors but the redeemer has the better armaments.
pulsar cairn
Hi not wallace
floral herald
Sooorta
Only the soul is used from the donor noble - the rest is made from the ground up
floral herald
Yep
thin ibex
Sure you are limited to only 1 character instead of 2 with the aggressors but th...
its absolutely a more dangerous plaftorm, and definitely depends on you attached character goals
ultimately i think the land raider normal is the best of the 3 for general purpose, but shorts you on characters
spice flicker
The hurricane bolters are nice for their shots but the big flamer is my personal preference but to each their own.
thin ibex
it IS also fun to run an entire mob of dudes in a crusader
like of non termies
thinking like blood claws
spice flicker
If you want to take them but no characters LR normal is the way to go.
thin ibex
i think the argument for crusader specifically for wolves is fitting two characters into a squad doubles the chances you can ping off one of your champions of russ requirements
though also a really fun one
for space wolves
that is just objectively not great
is the stormwolf
big ol flying land raider
with ice guns
and id be remiss in a crusade if i didn't bring one
the ice guns arent awful but its a lot less resilient for the cost
floral herald
yeas
pine matrix
Oh that's good as hell
pastel rampart
The ol' fortified manor also ruled
Tho that one I could build from foamboard, it's a basic enough shape.
pine matrix
I had one of these but I gave it to my LFGS while I was clearing out my old models
pastel rampart
Oh god yeah I'd looooove to have that one too
thin ibex
generally no they are not
in terms of raw strength, ogryns are much more powerful
space marines have more control, precision, intent, and technique backing them up though
there are exceptions amongst space marines im sure, but yeah in general a space marine is physically weaker than an ogryn
pulsar cairn
fair 
tired cairn
In tabletop I believe orgyns are stronger than armoured marines, fwiw
tepid stratus
https://warzonestudio.com//image/catalog/blog/Fantasy-battle-terrain/Fantasy-bat...
My lfgs has one of these. We're doing up a table themed around it for our AOS tournaments
floral herald
Yeah Ogryns are actually kind of insanely strong for brute force
jaunty dawn
mm
just can't compete with raw muscle mass
space marines muscles are more efficicent but there's still a limit to their size
but at the same time ogryns probably eat like, an order of magnitude more than regular humans
and an army marches on its stomach
ogryns also used to get hammer of wrath which was usually reserved for the force of something charging you with the force of a jump pack
and were like t5 3w in editions where a terminator was t4 and 1w
thin ibex
ogryns are truly frighteningly strong
as mentioned above, not only are they stronger than an un armored space marine, they're stronger than a power armored space marine
I forget if, lore wise, they are also physically stronger than custodes
but id imagine so
pastel rampart
They can flip a Chimera one-handed without breaking a sweat.
You do NOT fuck with Ogryn.
cinder wraith
im doing something malicious
the haters will sabotage me
im giving loyalist angron lobotomy from claires
desert jay
Malicious? Well, AIUI Angron is a big fan of malice
cinder wraith
jaunty dawn
looking great!!
unreal cosmos
Got plans for a Judicar hourglass?
solemn gull
https://warzonestudio.com//image/catalog/blog/Fantasy-battle-terrain/Fantasy-bat...
If I had this I would find a way to fit it into every single mordheim game as an objective
upper bluff
You know, I understand why Cybernetica Datasmiths aren't a Cult Mechanicum unit but they really should be. "Balance" be damned
Let Kastellan Robots Punch with Religious Fervour
past sphinx
Once upon a time you could hot drop a land raider from a flyer
it was the coolest thing FW ever made
uneven ember
Thunderhawk transport!
I saw that in one of the animations, I thought everyone else had forgotten it.
past sphinx
i loved air deployment of shit, elysians where the dream army as a child
and had cooler toys than the DKOK
why yes i would like sentinal squads raining from the sky
tired cairn
If a rogue trader has a fleet, what is the most common way to divvy up the captaincy of the different ships? Would it be hereditary within the dynasty? Each ship having it's own hereditary position? Some other mechanism?
runic swallow
and had cooler toys than the DKOK
Gotta love the Para-French
runic swallow
If a rogue trader has a fleet, what is the most common way to divvy up the capta...
I’d imagine it’d highly depend on the rouge trader, I could see some doing a “lesser cousin put in charge of a small ship” but others could just give retainers/deck crew/some guy they met at a bar they like a ship
plucky token
yeah, i think it depends entirely on the whims of the rogue trader/the culture of their house. they're a very diverse lot, not much standardization there
pulsar cairn
Lucius uses Fulgrim's old daemonic sword right?
Does it still have a daemon inside of it?
I remember fulgrim trapping it in a painting
past sphinx
Gotta love the Para-French
i am in your deployment zone i am in my deployment zone, i am in the table next to mes deployment zone
runic swallow
We have been scattered by a too-fast air drop, the operation is a mess
past sphinx
i am on every table quarter turn 1
i am tabled turn 2
just another day in the paras
runic swallow
Truly, the airborne experience
sinful merlin
Elysians my beloved. I've got a sky talon but I wish the drop sentinels and tauros were still available
sinful merlin
If a rogue trader has a fleet, what is the most common way to divvy up the capta...
Definitely varies with whatever works. A rogue trader campaign I'm in had us start with a cruiser that belongs to the former imperial navy mother of the rogue trader, we salvaged two raiders and a transport and those are controlled by no name npcs since we just sent them off to do cargo jobs (ie we all agreed not to make our GM suffer big fleet combat), our daemonworld born psyker "liberated" a totally not daemonically possessed ship from a heretek so it's just kinda shadowing us do not look at it too hard, and lastly our Secutarii received a warrant of trade and a ship for her imperial guard girlfriend from a forgeworld we're friends with in exchange for recovering an STC 😄
last moss
https://twitter.com/ICantThinkEm/status/1780593972584521857
also works as an amusingly fitting summary of people only superficially into the hobby for reactionary political reasons, what with those are stormcast eternals and not custodes
and fighting world eaters, for some reason..? unless AoS has khorne chaos space marine-looking dudes im not familiar with
last moss
huh neat. I haven't looked at fantasy much since, well, fantasy
runic swallow
Iirc that was the cover of the launch box for AoS
floral herald
It’s a real good model
thin ibex
Space wolf crusade test
I think I want to slip wulfen into it somehow
Maybe clear a grey hunter squad
The biggest problem is that wulfen can't have any attached characters
So they don't interface great with champions of russ
past sphinx
It’s a real good model
having them on HWT bases does bring a little intimidation factor
and they are BIG
mental birch
The Imperial Guard has always had two main battle tanks
Leman Russ was always a primach not a random captain
verbal ermine
https://youtu.be/LtF-Yhlwkq8
ebon forge
Leman Russ was always a primach not a random captain
Being promoted to Space Marine?
What are you rambling about /j
bright dove
I will take this olive branch for BoC getting shuffled off to Old World
quaint compass
Honestly, exactly the vibes I want to see when/if there is a non-space marine chaos faction for 40k
tired cairn
Wow, what classic racism there Azyrites
quaint compass
They got their castle on the hill
unreal cosmos
Been thinking, I really like some of the color palettes characters in the video game Hades have, and I wonder if any of them would adapt well to Stormcast
proud wing
like, it's not even a retcon
custodes being a boys-only club was never a thing, people just jumped to that conclusion
ebon forge
Sanguinius fucking said there were boys and girls in the banana club
Sanguinius made a comment when he first met the Emperor (in a book set M31 and released 2 years ago) about "men and women" described as his father's "guardians" wearing the same gold as the ship. Sisters of Silence don't wear auramite, so...there's that to consider as well.
past sphinx
the best ones are the people getting all conspiritorial about it with dark money from black rock and such
like people cant have creative vision
ebon forge
This whole thing sure gave me more youtube channels to block
past sphinx
women are a NWO plot
ebon forge
Woman?!
WOOMMAAAAANN?!!!
WHY THEY ARE GOING WOOOOKEEEE?!?!?
ebon forge
tired cairn
I am trying to figure out the sublight speed of ships. This is a fool's errand and I don't know what I expected lol
tired cairn
How fast travel is warp travel? Plot
And sublight travel? Believe or not, also plot
ebon forge
sadly yeah
tired cairn
Wait, really:
They use metric in 30k and imperial in 40k to show the regression of the humanity.
That's hilarious
floral herald
I am trying to figure out the sublight speed of ships. This is a fool's errand a...
Low end is basically torchships, high end is .75 c
ebon forge
Wait, really:
> They use metric in 30k and imperial in 40k to show the regressio...
Where yo usaw that?
floral herald
There is significantly more textual support for the low end with single digits of gravity acceleration from big ships
tired cairn
Where yo usaw that?
This was a reddit comment. So grain of salt etc.
ebon forge
ah fair
floral herald
Low end is basically torchships, high end is .75 c
(If you think that's bad wait until you get to the ship range discussions)
(Low end 100 meters, high end, 100 light hours)
pastel rampart
thin ibex
unreal cosmos
To the people who know Stormcast lore better than me, is there a host that's like Imperial Fists in terms of defense and fortification?
jaunty dawn
I think to an extent like
that's far too much one of their main jobs for a particular stormhost to have that specialty
whereas in space marines it's more unusual cause they mostly do shock assault stuff
still warren
it's more a specific job, try looking up Lord Castellants I guess?
upper canopy
Well not really since a lot of Stormhosts became tied to specific cities
past sphinx
has anyone had problems purchasing things on the warhammer website recently?
desert jay
Stormhosts aren't really as fleshed out as most Marine Chapters
Define "most", hahaha
Because like 80% of them have a one-off mention somewhere
upper canopy
I mean like even shit like
The Novamarines
the Howling Griffons
the Marines Errant
the Raptors
have more lore than 96% of Stormhosts
jaunty dawn
even the main hosts don't have a lot of like, lore
they might have appeared in narrative detail in a book ofc
but like you don't really get the same organisation and history stuff you get a lot with marine chapters
plus just marines have had so much time to get lore
desert jay
Yeah, but also those mentioned chapters are in the 20%
jaunty dawn
each of them got a like 8 page breakdown in badab war alone
upper canopy
And the entire FFG splat book about them
thin ibex
Made a prospective speed freeks list
thin ibex
For crusading
Also green tide list seems a nightmare to build and paint, but also feels like it'd be super strong
dense sedge
a friend of mine is planning on trying to set up a campaign irl, but building a giant GSC list could be heck
thin ibex
I can make lists! But building the real models is a different story
dense sedge
buying the models is the real thing that makes me worry
pastel rampart
ebon forge
I love when they use KSBD in memes
junior robin
now the old tyranid lore, that's a retcon worthy being angry at 
floral herald
I don't remember a substantive retcon for Tyranid Warriors?
Maybe I'm missing something
junior robin
just a joke on how weird their old lore is sometime
like how they had ambassadors (the zoats) and created the squigs before the orks saved them.
plucky token
early 40k lore sure was interesting
floral herald
I think its a neat view into how the Tyranid "SOP" works
With infiltration and diplomatic fronts and such before they eat you
They just abandoned them in the only war galaxy
junior robin
really regret not getting some old nids models when I had the chance 
proud wing
i mean there are factions that have diplomats
proud wing
the tyranid identity is just "mindless heartless pure murder machines"
jaunty dawn
I mean I say that its like 20 years old at this point
so . I guess. yeah
zoats weren't rectonned though really. they probably were still used as 'ambassadors'
it was just some weird gambit before the full invasion
floral herald
They feel kind of like another kind of genestealer to me
But yeah the squig thing is weird and actually a retcon
floral herald
the tyranid identity is just "mindless heartless pure murder machines"
It's also "highly adaptive and will try every novel strategy to consume and survive"
jaunty dawn
there was kinda just a big impulse to make a lot of things abt tyranids in 4e and they only kept what stuck
floral herald
I think (presumably) bad faith diplomacy is an interesting outgrowth of that
south axle
proud wing
it could be that they tried bad faith diplomacy briefly, but everyone else rapidly caught on "hey i think these bug guys actually just want to eat us"
south axle
We got some clanrats and a background article, no more D:
jaunty dawn
even the clan rats were only on social media too right
junior robin
nice
jaunty dawn
new priests are cool
endless spells not costing points is kinda wild
the shaman no longer has his own spell, but it became an attack instead
which is interesting
floral herald
still warren
Also has a special tag that lets you shoot in melee
south axle
endless spells not costing points is kinda wild
So now they are not only endless, but also pointless?
jaunty dawn
boooo
thin ibex
Nid end game would be a major issue for chaos right? Same with necrons?
pastel rampart
It's an issue with necrons who want some non-nid living bodies to soul-transfer into so they aren't stuck in robot bodies forever.
Which does depend on the necron believing that's possible to even do.
Necrons, being effectively immortal, can just wait it out if need be and pop back up when the 'nids inevitably leave the galaxy after munching everything else. The 'nids aren't an existential threat to necrons in the same way they are other races.
tired cairn
Destroyer cults might be upset, but only because they didn't get to kill all life
pastel rampart
Yeah.
bright dove
The Nids would not be the first apocalyptic event the Necrons waited out
lucid scarab
Nid end game would be a major issue for chaos right? Same with necrons?
Chaos for sure does not like the Nids. The Shadow in the warp and the whole homogenizing swarm thing doesn’t really vibe when you exist because of Trillions of different conscious beings having emotions
thin ibex
nids out here carrying out Big E's universal order plan better than big E
lucid scarab
Probably just about the only way to kill off Chaos unless you want to give the entirety of conscious beings in the universe a synaptic connection or something.
upper bluff
How biomass hungry are the tyranids? Like would they land on a barren planet and slurp up the primordial soup or would a galaxy be able to recover
Just you know really really slowly
floral herald
There's kind of mixed lore on that
There's some stuff in more recent codexes about successfull post tyrannid terraforming or recovery
And a lot of stuff in general about how tyranids consume planets to the bedrock and basically leave them sterile
jaunty dawn
probably can reconcile the two by saying tyranids are able to detail a planet but don't always
floral herald
yeah I agree
jaunty dawn
and that terraforming is probably more often a vanity/morale win than actually efficient
upper canopy
Most likely the Hivemind only designates planets for total consumption in theaters where reprisal is impossible
desert jay
Or doing it to replenish severe losses where more vibrant worlds are unavailable
pulsar cairn
what's interesting about fabulous Bill is that he actually wants to build something(even if it would be fricking weird and twisted)
The other chaos space marines winning just means everyone dead
Except maybe Ahriman
floral herald
Nah Abaddon wants to properly implement Horus's vision of an Imperium directly ruled by space marines
"To conquer and to rule"
He's very explicit
pulsar cairn
Really? 
that's interesting
I suppose he's not really devoted to any chaos god he's just using their power
floral herald
Yeah that's what he wants to be the case at least
The jury is out on if he's successfully poaching power from the gods, if they just like his plan anyway, or if its pure cope and he's just a slave to darkness
floral herald
Yeah he'll have a lot of trouble actually... administering
My most cracked idea for a new army is the "Dark Administratum" from the Imperium Nihilus as a chaos following "state" which adminsters the fallen planets in half the galaxy
rocky shale
This implies that the administratum isn't already evil
floral herald
No not more evil just like more chaosy
Gotta submit your blood tithe
Ok the problem with this concept is that you can't really turn up the cartoonish evil of the administratum
That's probably already a thing
desert jay
Fabius Bile AIUI also believes in the Emperor's imperial truth of a galaxy ruled by science instead of superstition. He's just such an asshole that CSM et al are the only ones who kinda put up with him on a regular basis
floral herald
Yeah haha
upper bluff
Fabius Bile was doomed the minute he was taught flesh crafting at like 10
Assigned Villain at 10
ebon forge
solemn gull
Duality
upper bluff
They clearly like it, look at that smile 😁
desert jay
AIUI the reason for it is ||when you're connected to visual feeds from a dozen skitarii at once, the blinking is distracting||
past sphinx
if you blink you may miss important data in that instant
floral herald
AIUI the reason for it is ||when you're connected to visual feeds from a dozen s...
No it’s because they don’t send you combat data while their eyes are closed
Not even discomfort
junior summit
yeah having their eyes open is an extra tenth of a second of combat data
pulsar cairn
are there imperial cults devoted to specific saints?
or is that just a sister's thing?(celestine)
jaunty dawn
yeah definitely
although sisters don't generally disproportionately venerate Celestine afaik, it's more just the fact she's got 'in the game' bias
still thinks she's swell but saint katherine is definitely the highest
but for example there's priesthood of the Ayatani who are devoted to venerating saint sabbat
past sphinx
The most based imperial saint
and by that i mean the one most likely to boy up your head with their mind for thinking wrong
the saint that shouldve gotten the model
uneven ember
although sisters don't generally disproportionately venerate Celestine afaik, it...
Also she's remarkable for being a Living Saint, while the vast majority is the other kind.
jaunty dawn
yeah but she's also still not the only
although I think she might get around a lot more but its like again, her representation is biased so it's impossible to know
past sphinx
she's a such poor embodiment of the imperial ideology and her characterization genuinely baffles me
jaunty dawn
probably explainable by sisters being kinda wierd in general
n often kinda naive
faith for faiths sake
regardless of its ends
past sphinx
yeah, its just very weird that the main centerpeice notable for the creed is well a healer and nice
things that the imperial church isnt
they are what we would concieve as a saint, not the imperium
celestine by all rights should be an absolute fire and lightning maniac like Sabbat if she was worthy of living saint hood
uneven ember
Well, the healer-Sisters have always been a thing.
Although they have always had "they're very good at medicine, they can keep someone alive a very, very long time" as part of that.
past sphinx
the healers serve to keep people out there and killin
jaunty dawn
I mean yeah like she's a healer in the sense that's she an unkillable avatar of fire sword-ing
and elveates two friends to unkillable-ity as well
uneven ember
But yeah Imperial Saints are definitely a thing, plenty of Imperial creeds and churches are likely super into them.
Most of them aren't living saints, they're the dead kind. Obviously you get the reliquaries that's about the most 40K thing there is in the real world.
& there was a joke from way back when that if you got all the shards of Saint Sebastian Thor's bones together in one place you'd probably have at least three sanctified skeletons.
Years back I had a Sisters of Battle order who called themselves the Hand of Ashe, after the sacred relic of an Imperial saint.
Specifically the sacred chainsword he attached to his arm after his hand was corrupted by the powers of darkness, and he cut it off rather than permit the unclean to exist even in his own flesh.
unreal cosmos
Since Marneus Calgar is apparently a saint now (because a lot of people think he's dead) I really want to see a heretical sect that secretly worships Guilliman as the return of the Emperor or something
uneven ember
There should be more Imperials declaring each other heretics.
past sphinx
Since Marneus Calgar is apparently a saint now (because a lot of people think he...
dead (for purely tax purposes)
uneven ember
I did like the... uh, shit, now I'm blanking.
But they were in Dark Heresy, and were holdouts of the "true" Imperial Ministorium before Sebastian Thor and Goge had their falling out and the Convocation of Lights took over.
Also did like how the Inquisitor stuff had people who were considered heretical because they actually believed all their bullshit and so they thought Astropaths and Navigators needed to go because of the "Suffer Not" deal.
pastel rampart
solemn gull
There should be more Imperials declaring each other heretics.
I was reading through the house Escher book for necromunda and a pretty major part of their faction's lore is when a saint's name was mispelled and the two creeds went to war with each other for at least a thousand years
uneven ember
I was reading through the house Escher book for necromunda and a pretty major pa...
See this is the stuff.
Chaos worship is fun and all but we need more stuff that's either just the pettiest nonsense or completely off the wall.
the "Christ was a hologram" stuff
past sphinx
we do have things like that in the imperium like with the star child
but for some reason its centered on the inquisition?
goofy
uneven ember
The Inquisition book was one of the first gamelines that really focused on reasons Imperial servants would be shooting at each other.
Puritans, Radicals, Istvaanians, Thorians, all that fun stuff.
past sphinx
i do love a small shooting war between two idiots on the same side
in fact the only thing i love more is a big shooting war between two idiots on the same side
uneven ember
I'm not gonna go into a whole thing about how much I love the FW Badab War books but I fucking love the FW Badab War books.
past sphinx
i personally think the badab era was kinda the best 40k writing got
imperial armor of the era is GOAT'd IMO
uneven ember
they just went into a part of the lore which had been "Huron went crazy, took over his planet, and went to war with the Imperium" & went "actually Huron was more or less the Imperial ideal of a Space Marine, the whole thing was a tax dispute that got out of hand"
"the 'he went crazy' thing is the party line because nobody wants to admit how honestly embarassing the whole thing is to the IoM"
thin ibex
im wondering if i can make a sort of... jetpack based sisters army that still maintains some level of effectiveness
unreal cosmos
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O2vHNy2ktI87Q_pdBb7XkMc0qBvmiXe4RgrZhouwkAU/edit?usp=sharing I did it... I made communist Stormcast
(not a lore expert so there may be some things that don't line up, feel free to correct me or point me towards potential hooks I overlooked)
floral herald
thinking about proxying some models for Nemesis Claw since I can't find it in stores how do these look?
south axle
I feel that the crab would be a better proxy for the double claw guy instead of the titan, but that might just be me
south axle
Is it tall enough?
floral herald
Oh yeah definitely (it's slightly too short for a dreadnought)
south axle
But is it taller than Johnson? Because the banner guy should be the tallest guy in warband, right?
floral herald
I'm actually not sure I don't have a LEJ model to compare
south axle
LEJ seems kinda tall
floral herald
Good call on making the crab the screecher that's moreclear
Oh my god its been outdone
pulsar cairn
i like how u can have any kind of chaos space marine in a black legion army
some of them would look really cool in their colors
solemn gull
Yeah thats a pretty cool aspect of unaligned chaos factions. Anyone can join.
floral herald
Except for the fact that most of them are fuck nuts crazy the Black Legion is the most pragmatic and practical formation of space marines in the galaxy
pastel rampart
Iron Warriors might be a close second, chaos-wise.
pastel rampart
upper canopy
Tor
floral herald
Lmao
lofty warren
https://fxtwitter.com/NornQueenKya/status/1781454029194682709
Fucked up that the lion isnt a poet
past sphinx
An English poet named Lionel Johnson wrote a poem called the dark angel
lofty warren
yeah exactly
past sphinx
So really he should atleast be gay
lofty warren
this is true
uneven ember
So really he should atleast be gay
All Space Marines are gay.
tired cairn
Are you saying they aren't just roommates?!
floral herald
… and they were battle-brothers
pastel rampart
Twitter
jaunty dawn
child
glossy vapor
jaunty dawn
Riiip
uneven ember
Yeah they're just everywhere these days
upper bluff
Oh watcha making?
pastel rampart
Empty suits inhabited by 👻
Which is to say, I'm taking some old Stormcast Eternal models and repurposing them for One Page Rules.
jaunty dawn
niiiice!!!
uneven ember
oh dope
zinc field
dayum. That's the sort of greenstuff work I aspire to
pastel rampart
https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Making_Scale_Armor_With_Greenstuff If y'wanna try and make scale armor I basically used this.
I "cheated" a little by using some cardstock to get the basic structure of the back skirt and then put GS on top.
For the keys I legit used bits of floral wire for the skirt armor ones and the crotch one has a bit of a paper clip there to form the neck. GS right on top, keeping it simple.
jaunty dawn
is that base using sprue for bricks
soft willow
Honestly smart.
jaunty dawn
for sure
bold halo
can make sprue goo too
uneven ember
"sprue goo?"
bold halo
get yourself some tamiya extra thin glue, which is basically just straight airbrush cleaner that happens to melt the plastic minis are made of
chop up a bunch of sprue and drop it in the bottle, where it dissolves into sludge
now you have a brush applicator bottle of liquid sprue plastic you can use to fill gaps
uneven ember
huh
neat!
pastel rampart
is that base using sprue for bricks
Yup.
Cut to length, and then cut it in half horizontally. Not strictly needed but it makes it look more uneven and a slightly lower profile, and also gets you twice as many bricks.
jaunty dawn
feels like the big plus of this is the sharpness of plastic
compared to making rectangles of milliput or somethin
bold halo
re: putty you can also just make a couple really nice bricks out of sprue or w/e and then make a mold to press your milliput or sculpey etc into
pastel rampart
Yeah. You can even make a mold and do some resin casting, which is what I originally thought of doing but I've got a ton of sprue kicking around so may as well use it.
bold halo
for the scale most hobbyists are working at, plaster or putty or something is usually more reasonable
pastel rampart
Generally, yeah.
Learning how to do some simple one-piece molds and casting from it is a very valuable skill to have.
quaint compass
Very sexy
Very cool
uneven ember
upper canopy
Dip the bride in nuln oil
solemn gull
Wow new killteam has been out for 2 years now
Have they re-implemented the freedom of team making that was in first edition?
jaunty dawn
kinda the opposite
floral herald
This edition at least
jaunty dawn
kt21 is just fundamentally a different game that happens to share a name with previous 'games'
kt18 had changes to a lot of rules but at its core was still the original flavour 'play 40k but you buy individual models and play like 100/200 points' kill team
they share a name but they're just. not the same thing at all haha
although it definitely depends based on your team like
blades of khaine is limited to three temples but you can mix and match whatever you want within that
the necron kill team can take any cryptek + a mix of unique specialists and whatever you want from the immortals/deathmark kit
upper canopy
Are Boarding Actions still a thing
jaunty dawn
yes
the update to 10e was a little messy but we just got a new mission like last month
solemn gull
And it’s pretty unlikely to come back
This saddens me
I don’t like to be stuck in the past but I don’t know how else to keep playing that style of game
jaunty dawn
I don't think there's anything wrong with playing old games
complicates finding other people to play with ofc but if you can
and it means you have a fixed gamespace where you don't gotta worry about what shit is around the corner
some of the early editions Kill Team gamemode also had the interesting twist where it wasn't about balanced forces but about specialised individuals (the kill team) vs a larger force of mooks (the brute squads)
solemn gull
Well right but most people that play old games are doing so because they dont like change
jaunty dawn
idk
that seems somewhat true but also like. somewhat uncharitable
cause realistically speaking there's gonna be just as many people who just feel like. exactly the same as you haha
and a lot of great games have been kept alive by passionate communities long after they've ceased publication
mordheim is seeing a huge resurgence
before n17 people still played necromunda
and some people choose to still play classic munda with new models cause there's just objectively a different vibe
south axle
I know it is a bit more disconnected from BigHammer40k, but Necromunda is an option for a more individual choices compared to current KT
pulsar cairn
So really he should atleast be gay
is he even capable of getting in a relationship?
I say that cause i dont think the Lion knows how to develop a social life
Ask him on a date he brings his sword
solemn gull
I know it is a bit more disconnected from BigHammer40k, but Necromunda is an opt...
I love necromunda but no one plays it where I live
solemn gull
I have actually been painting up multiple gangs just to get other 40k players to play necromunda
south axle
I should try and finish the core of my Escher
solemn gull
I should try and finish the core of my Escher
How do escher play in practice?
south axle
Early campaign they can be a bit mean with toxin and gas, but it falls of eventually. But I enjoy the high mobility, and with the Deathmaidens they can get very scary in melee
One of mine from the last campaign I played
uneven ember
I have no one to play with but I do have names I really lilke, and maybe that's enough.
solemn gull
I have no one to play with but I *do* have names I really lilke, and maybe that'...
What does this mean?
jaunty dawn
damn kroot hounds are really gonna be 5 a box
upper bluff
$60 per box too?
uneven ember
What does this mean?
Gang leader: Joan the Blackheart
Champions: Patty the Warrior, VII-L
Gangers: Alisyn Chains, Hellcat Aimee, Kath the Killer
solemn gull
oh yeah totally
uneven ember
(I'm considering Tay the Quick for a Juve but it doesn't really fit)
solemn gull
what gang are these characters for?
south axle
I go for super simplistic game/pop-culture names
uneven ember
(Joan Jett's band is the Blackhearts. Patty Smyth sings The Warrior. etc)
lofty warren
I don't think there's anything wrong with playing old games
me and some other ppl are hoping to start a mordhiem campaign soon
games only as dead as you let it be
esp in this day and age
(irl)
games don't die as hard in this time of googleable rules
and 3d printing
uneven ember
(VII-L I'm actually a bit proud of, because there's the band L7, which can be represented as L VII, which you reverse to VII-L, which you can pronounce the same way as "vial" and "vile," and you have the chem-thrower which both connects to chemisty and is pretty nasty...)
upper bluff
https://vxtwitter.com/Mp_miniatures/status/1782139861165650156
Ugh Mechanicum so cool but so expensive...
past sphinx
Ask him on a date he brings his sword
I dated a guy like that once
pulsar cairn
How was it?
past sphinx
Their trans now and I'm still dating them
past sphinx
I have since gotten them a proper sword
solemn gull
I dated a guy like that once
Wait so he brought an improper sword on a date
past sphinx
In their defense it was after the date
And it was a keyblade
As they are a mega dork
thin ibex
Is the monolith overkill for a starting crusade list?
upper bluff
It might be but without it half your stratagems don't really do anything
plucky token
there are a bunch of hypercrypt stratagems that only work with a monolith around, yeah
jaunty dawn
basically the lynchpin of the force
although that now makes me think about a cool crusade thing you could do with slowly unearthing a monolith like in dawn of war
or maybe not slowly but like
having a mission set before its mobile n stuff and its like just a terrain piece with the same abilities
pastel rampart
pastel rampart
More or less done. I gotta fill up some joints here and there but that's about it.
pastel rampart
gravestone shield
Rank and file dudes are gonna have coffin shields
uneven ember
niiiice
unreal cosmos
excellent
unreal cosmos
I'm joining the Soul Wars on the side of Souls (is this anything)
thin ibex
pastel rampart
upper canopy
https://fxtwitter.com/kitto_paint/status/1782195140750180552
This makes me miss my tech assassin
he was my first Dark Heresy character
his name was Fridge
(his actual name was Crisis, the party just didn't want to call him that)
I kept rolling shonen protags whenever I played Warhammer games
dense sedge
I actually thought those were painted for a sec, due to the decent color scheme
solemn gull
I kept rolling shonen protags whenever I played Warhammer games
How does a shonen protagonist DH character work or did you start with higher XP? All my characters start with like 9 dollars and dysentery.
thin ibex
long void
The legend never dies
solemn gull
Always wanted to make one of those but I forget to not throw out the stick
still warren
New Grombrindal model and also a dark tide board game got announced today https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/22/take-tertium-from-the-console-to-the-tabletop-in-warhammer-40000-darktide-the-miniatures-game/
jaunty dawn
darktide board game is kill team based
not new models though
just old ones on new pair of coloured sprues
grombrindal is getting a bunch of rules but most interestingly he's getting warhammer underworlds rules?? which is kinda wild
tired cairn
Kill team based but with a hex grid?
south axle
And 0 team set up choices
jaunty dawn
pulsar cairn
cause they werent always bots
jaunty dawn
cawl inferior is a bot and far too clever for his own good
also ur-025 is around and probably not the only surviving man of iron tbh
the legio cybernetica have generally had their intelligence reduced and replaced with punch cards though I think
pulsar cairn
looked them up
i liker ur-025
i doubt they'll do anything with it
but i like it
pulsar cairn
and what the fuck is cawl inferior? cawl made a tiny robot of himself?
pulsar cairn
jaunty dawn
so gulliman can ask him stuff and ideally get somewhat the same answer cawl himself would give
except cawl inferior is constantly asking gulliman to be made fabricator general of mars
which is not something belisarius cawl desires
lucid scarab
<:vicksyThink:996566524225663086> no more clever robots in the year 40k right?
They exist but it isn’t accepted in the Imperium.
pulsar cairn
oh i forgot about the votann
the iron kin
they count i would say
maybe ur-025 would vibe with them
lucid scarab
Since 40k is a kitchen sink setting you can make up justifications for anything you want which is cool.
jaunty dawn
oh there's also a second cawl inferior that lives with cawl and the two are psychically linked
unreal cosmos
except cawl inferior is constantly asking gulliman to be made fabricator general...
That's so fucking funny
Doesn't Cawl also have a Guilliman sim
lucid scarab
Want thinking machines? You can have leftover men of iron tech, Squat technology, heretical Tech magi’s. Anything really
jaunty dawn
wouldn't be surprised
oh there's also some surviving ark mechanicuses which are definitely sentient
pulsar cairn
what do they look like?
lucid scarab
Whatever you want them to tbh. There are official depictions of men of iron but everything is up for interpretation
lucid scarab
Cool. Didn’t know that. Pretty much proves the point. Machine intelligences move bodies and change up a lot.
Lots of robot guys used to be meat and a lot of machines end up in meat
still warren
New warlock engineer, nice update but seems weird they're no longer a wizard? Feel like warp lighting is inseparable for them
thin ibex
Grombrindal deserves big model with lots of rules
jaunty dawn
maybe going towards making masterclan the only actual wizards
which I think is sortaaaa fair cause their spells rn are basically gadgets anyway
I think it's possible to turn out well anyway
but also not super surprising it's narrowing in role a bit as a result of army revamp
it happens
apparently warlock engineers weren't even wizards in fantasy battles?
so magitek 'spells' has always been the vibe?
bright dove
Correct
pastel rampart
Engineers were a lvl1 wizard but all they could cast was Warp Lightning.
Well, they should but having looked at the army book again it's...weird.
junior robin
well at least does the datasheet confirm plastic warplock jezzails
pastel rampart
The magic list doesn't say anything about engineers only casting warp lightning, but the condenser says they can use the spell with one more dice.
pastel rampart
Yeah, but as an upgrade rather than an innate thing.
Which is a very weird WHFB thing to do because like...who isn't going to take that lmao
junior robin
oh how I miss options
jaunty dawn
I mean I feel like that's often been the case with options lol
pastel rampart
Yeah, lots of options weren't really options at all but a points tax for what's effectively mandatory.
Marauders were cheap chaff that weren't worth shit unless you spent the points giving them flails, and everyone took them with flails, but they never just...had them as default.
The many list of options added a kind of texture to things, I admit, which is a fun all its own but some of them were just no-brainers that should've just been part of their gear by default.
still warren
well at least does the datasheet confirm plastic warplock jezzails
I really liked the look of the new jezzails from the 4e trailer