Warhammer and Such

[uneven ember]

It's very dumb.

[wintry mist]

LOL

LMFAO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[unreal cosmos]

There's also a running meme that's taken with various degrees of seriousness that attributes various things posted on the Warhammer Community website to interns, usually just to explain some kind of mistake.

It overlaps and connects but there are people who either repeat or actively believe the line without also being obsessed with Woke. But it's still annoying.

[uneven ember]

this is the correct response

[junior summit]

iirc they also threatened archwarhammer with legal action if he didn't change his name

which was warranted

[uneven ember]

I'm not sure that's been confirmed, but there's no question that he did very suddenly and thoroughly scrub "Warhammer" from his name and branding and has been conspicuously mum as to why,
And it's definitely the case that he's on some sort of blacklist for GW-affiliated companies doing marketing, because one of the studios who makes GW video games had to publicly apologize for sending him promo copy.
So "he got his ass C&D'd" hasn't been directly confirmed but it seems to be a very reasonable inferrence.

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/jetblackraider/status/1777085480213049763

Progress.

[uneven ember]

I don't think anyone at the ball is gonna have a good time.

[runic swallow]

https://youtu.be/avXLKVYLlcs?feature=shared

Oh wait, that’s a satellite dish isn’t it, darn it

[pastel rampart]

Hah, yeah.

Looks like this.

[uneven ember]

THE CLAW

[pastel rampart]

It's on a length of plastic tubing for easy removal, but now I'm thinking I can make some gun emplacements to swap out as needed.

[thin ibex]

What's the word on horribly non standard gaming boards, such as but not limited to a coffee table and or a round glass dinner table

[jaunty dawn]

uh

good and valid tbh

like who even has a house big enough for a 6' by 4' table??

[pastel rampart]

Very few.

That it took so long for GW to finally go "okay yeah board sizes for 40k are 5'x3' " is a bit telling but at least it happened.

[jaunty dawn]

we use 3 2' by 4' boards but that's kinda unwieldy as well

yeah

and it always kinda gets me when ppl complain about the smaller board cause like

god forbid these games be actually playable

[pastel rampart]

Well, 3.5' but eeeeh who's counting

[jaunty dawn]

kill team should not need a 4' by 4' table

[pastel rampart]

And yeah like, in practice a 6x4 board may as well have 12" cut off on either side because of deployment.

[jaunty dawn]

it's true that it did have an affect on the game ofc

and that effect wasn't really addressed in any big way

in 40k

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[pastel rampart]

Also isn't KT on a 30"x22"?

[jaunty dawn]

ah that's my point

like

before kt18

or wait was it 2' by 2'

necromunda is 4' by 4' 🤔

my brain may be gettin boggled

[pastel rampart]

4x4 was the "skirmish" size for a long time (Mordheim, Necro, Gorkamorka)

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[pastel rampart]

KT being the size it is now is perfect because it actually can be played on a dinner table.

[jaunty dawn]

yes!!!

and yeah kt4e was 4' by 4'

and I don't really feel like kill team or warcry is a small board

like too small

it's easier to fill with terrain

all the way through to 7e to yeah it went straight from 4' by 4'

to the new boards

[pastel rampart]

4x4 is like fine depending on what kind of game it is, but KT is so small that it feels too big of a board.

3x3 would've been fine I think.

[jaunty dawn]

mm

necromunda is also kinda weird

cause fighting 'outside' whether ash wastes or in open hive spaces is a 4' by 4'

while close quarters stuff is in 1' by1' sections that rarely end up taking up more than abt 3' by 3'

which I mean the contrast does make the two feel more different to each other for sure

and in ash wastes you want distances that make vehicles/cavalry relevant

but my parent and I have played a lot more necromunda underhive than pretty much anything else cause it was playable on our kitchen table

which is on the small side but it's abt 2' by 5'

what size was shadow war armageddon? I wasn't around during that time

[pastel rampart]

4x4, tho I think a lot of people played on 3x3

[jaunty dawn]

ah fair

as a precursor to kt18/kt21

it's kinda funny how they attempted to do the 'terrain in the box thing' on such a large board

like especially if you compared it to the ash wastes box

which isn't quite enough really for a 4' by 4' but it's still a Lot more terrain

speaking of necromunda! I should be getting my new van saar team done soon, finally

putting together an airbrush station in the next week or so and the resin energy shields finally came in stock

and otherwise

https://www.wahapedia.ru/heresy2/factions/legiones-astartes/

!

https://www.wahapedia.ru/heresy2/factions/legiones-astartes/Legion-Tactical-Squad even just have everything with tooltips seems pretty awesome

[sour sequoia]

I missed this but its actually just. Just drybrushing and edge highlighting after

I’ve been tappin the drybrush bristles on a damp sponge after paint is on, it removes the chalkiness

[pastel rampart]

Ooh.

[sour sequoia]

The monolith crystals actually are textured like that

So if you’re careful and very gentle, you can just drybrush the whole thing

I did it in like 4 stages of colors to make it smooth

1. Start black prime
2. drybrush heavily in administratum or eshin grey
3. Lightly drybrush celestra grey
4. Wash coelia greenshade
5. Wash again, 1:1 coelia greenshade/black wash mix
6. Drybrush 1:1 stegadon scale green & caliban green
7. Drybrush 1:1 thousand sons blue and sybarite green
8. Edge highlight sybarite green
9. corner highlights of 1:1 moot green/sybarite

[dense sedge]

I feel like you wouldn't want to go to a drukhari ball though, there's no way that doesn't have a body count

[floral herald]

I’m a little late but I like the kill team board size - I like proportionally larger boards because they give some freedom of maneuver

I also prefer the 6x4 40K size ofc

But I think the larger kt board is important for teams who want to play keepaway or play objective team

Oh and speaking of Kill Team

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/s/R4wI0xss2F

These guys look fucking sick

Very cool rules

Cool to see a “chaos Phobos” team with a focus on dirty tricks

[jaunty dawn]

larger kt board?

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337171515587952642/1226683318108557382/1a6.png?ex=6625a8dd&is=661333dd&hm=589fcda8fcec5078ed40c92c30eedc7bfa6001c17fe5c41fe15b9fc520c75c1e&

[floral herald]

Oh I misunderstood the sizes y’all were talking about

[jaunty dawn]

haha

[floral herald]

I generally prefer larger boards though because I pretty much only play at stores and like the extra room to move

[jaunty dawn]

yeah that's fair

[floral herald]

It’s absolutely an issue for home games the 6x4 boards are very large

And no one makes actual tables that size so you need extenders

[jaunty dawn]

mainly with kill team for me it's like

4x4 and 6x4 are pretty much the same level of bulk overall

whereas a kt board now is a quarter of a 40k board

[pastel rampart]

The real fucker is that no one makes tables that are 4' wide.

[jaunty dawn]

and it feels so much more proportional and suitable for the design goal of kill team being a smaller and quicker game

[pastel rampart]

If I could find a table that's 4' wide then shit, extending it is easy enough, but you're not gonna find anything fancier than a folding table at that width.

[floral herald]

4x4 would probably be bad for KT as well since the game is so intensely balanced around board size and there’s so many infinite range guns

[jaunty dawn]

for sure

but then partly that's because they moved to infinite range guns because it wasn't a universally useful mechanic on the smaller board size they'd already moved to

[floral herald]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

I think the terrain is the biggest thing though

even if kill team was on like. a 2' by 3' it would be a lot harder to fill the terrain

[floral herald]

Yeah terrain matters so much

[jaunty dawn]

and like as much as I appreciate the game design of kt21 the product design of terrain and teams is also pretty key to it's success as a game

even now that they're not directly bundled, just the fact of the community culture it nurtured

[floral herald]

I agree

[jaunty dawn]

...now I wanna play more kill team aaa

[floral herald]

Same

I hope I can find a Nightmare box

I really like the look of the new teams

[brittle salmon]

Yeah these new Night Lords look sick

[floral herald]

The Ventrilokar in particular

This is fucked

So good

[jaunty dawn]

ktdash has the new rules too!

[floral herald]

Oh excellent

[jaunty dawn]

also yeah that's wild!!! lash of slaanesh back

[floral herald]

That’s a much nicer resource than my cruddy scans haha

[thin ibex]

i got distracted, but the reason i asked is cause i wonder if i can rope my buddy into playing at home

with just like

kitchen stuff

and at the table

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s wild lash in KT (once per battle, short ranged) but it’s back

[thin ibex]

just set up like #a board

without worrying too hard about like

correct iszing

[floral herald]

For KT or what? (I missed the beginning of the conversation)

[thin ibex]

oh 40k, but kt also

[jaunty dawn]

I'm really tempted to play mandrakes sometime using my shadowstalkers

[thin ibex]

and conveniently i have 2 kt team

i just dont have the kt like movement stuff

[floral herald]

That’s fine they convert to inches

If you just cut dowels to length

You can also use a Jenga set to make pretty good KT terrain

[jaunty dawn]

ooh

smort

[brittle salmon]

https://ktdash.app/fa/AEL/kt/MND

Mandrakes

[floral herald]

👀

[jaunty dawn]

when the warrior operative has like 5 different abilities

[pastel rampart]

You can also use a plastic fruit bin.

[brittle salmon]

oh.

[pastel rampart]

Or, real chad hours: old gutters.

[thin ibex]

Oh this is fun i like this a lot

So all i really need

are my models and my cards

[floral herald]

Oh I like the fruit one

[jaunty dawn]

mm lots of fun shapes

[junior summit]

milk crates are good

leftover sprue as well

[junior summit]

is that an actual candle

that's......bold

[jaunty dawn]

mandrakes kinda feel like

they're from an alternate universe

where the kill team mechanics are in a fantasy game

like if warcry and kill team swapped vibes

[brittle salmon]

Mandrakes are in your fucking house

[brittle salmon]

lmfao

[jaunty dawn]

just like

an entire kill team next to this guy they keep passing it down the line

space marines being like no, brother, I insist you go first

[floral herald]

lmao

[brittle salmon]

literally

[floral herald]

what the fuck

Custodes quaking in their golden boots

The guys are VICIOUS

This is such a unique team

Bunch of horrible glass cannons which play the movement game different from anyone else

Also probably your worst nightmare in ITD lol

[mental birch]

Illidan looool

[thin ibex]

Hmm gotta look into getting a Jenga set for kt at home lol

[pine matrix]

I'm excited for the mandrake kit to come out separately, love to get a kill team just to add to my regular army

[still warren]

Warlock engineer got leaked, I like it's new warp lighting gun

[unreal cosmos]

If I was going to do a Cadian Brood Brothers themed army, would a Primus fit better as a Commissar or some kind of Castellan?

[still warren]

New clan rats from the official post look great

Side by side comparison between old and new rats

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this Drukhari list?
https://pastebin.com/0kbrJHkN

[pulsar cairn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-PDo3d8XlCQ?si=ZQ0554DK_di_QYm3

Sadge

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/08/green-tides-and-dread-mobs-new-ork-detachments-go-back-to-their-roots/

so detatchemnts for orks will be unit themed rather then clans

[jaunty dawn]

pff

just like

"oh you thought kroot were exciting"

I think this is literally just hte Ork Boyz unit though

not even beast snagga boyz

so it's fair enough

[junior robin]

hopefully will it cover more units

[jaunty dawn]

nah I think it's a targetted (but more powerful) buff to the basic boy

and then a general buff to all your big units

in comparison to like kroot who get their 5+ invulnerable on their elite stuff too like rampagers

[junior robin]

at least does the dread mob cover grot tanks and mega-tank

so thats nice

[jaunty dawn]

that's awesome!!!

[junior robin]

weirdly enough are killa kans not grot vehicles.

[jaunty dawn]

oh it's because mek gunz are vehicle

kill kans are vehicles yes

walkers are added on top of the vehicle keyword

[junior robin]

but not a "grot" one

[jaunty dawn]

grot isn't a keyword yet

[junior robin]

same with the mek guns

weirdly enough, it is for the forge world units 😵‍💫

[jaunty dawn]

like even gretchin just has their own unit name

oh, wild

...wait. oh no

[thin ibex]

im glad that we're confirmed dread mob

[jaunty dawn]

this says grots

the fw index says grot

aaaaaa

also I love how dread mob is just dark pacts for orks

[thin ibex]

kinda weird that its mostly a shooting beenfit

oh waiot

i misread

its shoot and fight

surprisingly doesnt feel strongly deff dredd oriented

bu not bad

at all

[jaunty dawn]

tbf the dread mob was more like

the mek list

which also had deff dreads as troops so you could take more of them

[floral herald]

This is just a Dark Pacts button haha

[junior robin]

wonder what the last 2 detatchments will be, articles mentions a cult of speed and bully boys (nobs) 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

are inv saves from detachment abilities gonna be thing everyone complains about for the next two years now

[junior robin]

guess one will be those beastie boyz

[jaunty dawn]

I wonder if waaagh tribe is gonna change at all because comparing its ability to dread mob is kinda hilarious

not that its completely eclipsed or anything but like

we already know how fun dark pacts is

[junior robin]

so what are the chances the last detatchment will be planes

[thin ibex]

that was my thoght tbh, that waaagh tribe hands out melee sus hits

which is in part what the dredds do

[thin ibex]

probably very low, they've not done any aircraft oriented detachments as of yet; generally more in vehicle focused ones

[junior robin]

not sure what else they could do, battlewagons? the return of looted vehicles?

[thin ibex]

is one of them a mystery? Thought we had names for 6 detaches

Waaagh Horde, Da Big Hunt, Kult of Speed, Dreaed Mob, Green Tide, Bully Boyz

[junior robin]

oh

thought we only got 4 of them

[thin ibex]

Bully Boyz feels like Nobs/Meganobs oriented

prolly anything with a nob or boss keyword

[junior robin]

that is confirmed to be exactly the case.

[jaunty dawn]

mm

with the ability being multiple waaagh

[thin ibex]

surprised no Dakka oriented list, aside from dread mob

[jaunty dawn]

da big hunt is a fun name for the snagga detachment

[thin ibex]

maybe green tide will also support some dakka

[jaunty dawn]

kult of speed might end up being one implicitly

[thin ibex]

oh yeah true

[jaunty dawn]

especially as speedwaagh was dakka orks in 9e

[thin ibex]

gotta play bad moonz with a motor pool xD

[junior robin]

feels like kult of speed is my only option unless waaagh horde got dakka options...

[jaunty dawn]

meks can also join most of the dakka infantry

I wonder if spannaz give the mek keyword...

and big meks also already have a shooting buff

so dread mob applies

[junior robin]

I also need to fix some spannaz since I built my units before that became mandatory

[thin ibex]

green horde may be fun as a dakka list, for regenerating shooting blobs, rather than for more efficient shooting

im kinda presuming a "reinforcements" stratagemn out of that detach

similar to guard, kroot, and gsc

[jaunty dawn]

main thing dread mob can't buff is flashgitz

[thin ibex]

hmm, though green tide might also be like "bonuses for bringing bigger mobs"

which would be fun

[jaunty dawn]

hmm

[thin ibex]

orky character attrition is real

[junior robin]

😭

[thin ibex]

then again lots of factions have had their character count trimmed

though some far more than others

[jaunty dawn]

was always kinda odd the squighog nob was a seperate unit

[floral herald]

If they keep getting replaced by modular plastic generics I’m down

Character creep in 5e and 6e was real

[thin ibex]

definitely, though it did allow for some weird strategies at the time

like gaming impact mortals

[junior robin]

really miss the days they gave us rules for stuff we had to build ourself 🥺

[jaunty dawn]

losing a stormboy hq kinda sucks but I am entirely unsurprised zagstrukk has not been refreshed haha

[floral herald]

Yeah Zagstrukk’s the only one I’m really annoyed by since iirc there just isn’t another way to have an HQ join stormboyz

I’m also sort of annoyed about the KFF mek since that was the second HQ model i bought haha

[jaunty dawn]

the megamek with kff just is not the vibeee

[thin ibex]

looks like custodes are getting sos detach, which might be neat

i would have much preferred replacing zagstruck with a stormboss

rather than completely removing them

[jaunty dawn]

but also I think having a new generic big mek was definitely more important than getting a stormboss

[thin ibex]

thats valid

but also will the new one get a kff? or do we know yet?

[jaunty dawn]

and orks were only allocated their equal attention model

it doesn't

or I'd be very surprised if it did and they just didn't show it haha

but its like

the shokk attack gun while it's also a big mek model

it's very much the gun that's the unit

[upper bluff]

This scares me. It looks like Orks are gonna end up with their own Skitarii hunting Cohort flood the battlefield strategy

It's the most boring and expensive way to play

[thin ibex]

I don't hate it personally, horde play has been on the low low for the past like... 3 editions pretty much

having a viable way to play a horde seems cool

though admittedly, "big block of wounds you can't chug through easily" is a bit one dimensional

[jaunty dawn]

the limitation for orks is that they can 'only' take 120 boyz

unlike the kroot and tyranid equivalents

[thin ibex]

tbf, itd be 120 boyz at t5 and a 5++

which is a bit better

[jaunty dawn]

it's also fairly notable that running that many boys hasn't been super viable in a really long time

[thin ibex]

yeah that was my perspective

[jaunty dawn]

when it used to be faction identity

[thin ibex]

Blast has had a heyday

this edition

[jaunty dawn]

like unlike admech which kinda have the expectation of being a little more elite than imperial guard

[thin ibex]

i think we'll probably see an expectation for players to bring anti horde beyond incidental light weapon fire in the coming days

[jaunty dawn]

orks did use to be a horde army

[thin ibex]

i.e. the often overlooked patterns of tank and special weapon

may see more selection going forward

instead of anti tank being all there is to it

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[thin ibex]

which i quite like a lot

[cinder wraith]

slayed today

[thin ibex]

I want to name orky armies now

Oh also, are the stormcast or the elves the "dragon" faction?

[pulsar cairn]

[jaunty dawn]

stormcast

really

there's an army of reknown too

in stormcast

CoS elves have black dragons and can throw around some dragon-adjacent monsters though

and then outside order you get most dragon play in soulbight and fec really

if you think they qualify fyreslayers can be quite magmadroth focused, and have an army of renown where you get to ferry around dorfs using them

[junior robin]

good news: found the glue 😌
bad news: turns out the middle part of the dreadknight legs where the easy part, hip and feet will need a lot of work

[jaunty dawn]

good luck!!

[junior robin]

also wondering if I should search for a normal termie torso for it 🤔

also plan to not have the supports on the arms, would it be to non-SW to fill the pits left from the joints with the skulls of slain grey knights?

[jaunty dawn]

swolves do have rune armour

[junior robin]

think I will go with 2 storm shields as extra shoulder pads

also a bit tempted to arm the driver with an axe instead of the mech

[pulsar cairn]

is that anywhere near blight town

[uneven ember]

boyz rock

[thin ibex]

hit me with an orky army idea?

for 40k

[zinc field]

"Da Big 'Eadsplozion": 3 Kill Rigs, 3 Wurrboyz, 3 Weirdboyz, maxed out units of Boyz and and BS Boyz for maximum 'Eadbanger energy

[thin ibex]

Aight, eadbangas theme

[thin ibex]

Honestly

It's a bit weird but can generate a surprising amount of mortal wounds

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/chrisshortall/status/1777431107857735938

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5eCoXNNCTu/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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vindicated in my opinion that the main problem with the skatros model is that it's practically T-Posing

[thin ibex]

no more power stance'd skratos xD

[junior robin]

finally, sisters of primaris lieutenant

[pastel rampart]

Official SoB-branded bottle opener.

[junior robin]

feels a bit sad that SoB dont have a proper rival army

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/09/show-that-teamwork-rules-the-galaxy-in-new-adeptus-custodes-detachments/ speaking of non-marine arimes

[jaunty dawn]

oooh

sisters of silence finally get their special rules

nvm I must've misremembered

still cool

[desert jay]

This brings the total of new options to four, so you can slug it out in close combat, synergise between Custodians and Silent Sisters, build an entire Detachment around Anathema Psykana units, or focus on taking down powerful enemy characters.

So this is the synergy detachment but it also sounds like there’s gonna be a SOS focused one too

[thin ibex]

i love the flavor of that detachment tbh

[raw vessel]

I was gonna say when are we getting space protestants but then I realized that's just LoV.

[upper bluff]

I know lutherans are different but now I want to see Lutherans of Votann

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNXQ0bAIqw8

[pine matrix]

Eyyyy nice!

Very much digging the Land Ship and Air Ship

[upper canopy]

Thoonder Baerge

[thin ibex]

think im gonna watch some "how to play Wrath and Glory" videos today

[tired cairn]

I don't feel like there are enough SoS (or wide enough variety) to support a detachment focused on them

[desert jay]

Yeah IIRC it’s 3 squads, 1 transport, 1 generic character, and 1 named character

But might work for lists where you still take custodes proper for specialist roles?

That and/or they’re planning on giving SOS the Kroot treatment this year with a rollout of new stuff

[still warren]

We're getting the Imperial gunnery school, I'm hyped. full unit list https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/first-total-war-warhammer-3-throne-of-decay-trailer-pits-maggots-against-airships

[spice flicker]

Maybe it's time I restart my old gums only empire campaign once the dlc comes out.

[tired cairn]

It would be weird to do that after the codex, but also weird to have the box set being released not have the new stuff (unless that is before the codex drops?)

[desert jay]

Oh I meant with the codex

But I guess if the new units for custodes have already been announced then that’s not happening

[jaunty dawn]

I mean there's definitely gonna be a detachment from the sounds of that paragraph haha

smaller roster can mean the detachment gives more focused buffs too

I definitely don't need a second heresy army any time soon but I'm so tempted by sisters of silence haha

just to have sisters of x in the heresy

[thin ibex]

i think the idea isn't wholly dedicated to sos

[jaunty dawn]

they have a lot more units there but I feel like I'd still have to come up with a space marine or auxilia force to round out an army

[thin ibex]

but to sos/custode synergy

[jaunty dawn]

no no

there's two different detachments

[thin ibex]

ohh

gotcha

[jaunty dawn]

as techead quoted

[thin ibex]

they'll get a kill team, that'll be their new addition xD

at minimum they need a combat vehicle of their own or some way to knock down heavier targets i imagine

but otherwise they have the basics

[jaunty dawn]

they do have one it's just not got rules in 40k

[thin ibex]

basic infantry, mid tier melee, anti horde infantry, an hq, a transport

[jaunty dawn]

they can also take rhinos though

hmm

looking back

I wonder if the choice to let custodes and knights use quote unquote heresy stuff was because they were coming to plastic imminently

there's not been any more custodes plastic but the knights have been making their way out

idk if that makes sense though actually given that's basically exactly the same situation when space marines lost everything from heresy so

[thin ibex]

quesiton in Wrath and Glory, how would one make Kasrkin

Tier 2?

[floral herald]

Yeah T2 sounds appropriate

Tempestus Scion is probably a good base

[spice flicker]

Is it worth collecting the crusade books?

[thin ibex]

If you want to play crusade and want the additional options, probably yeah

[spice flicker]

They are good for the entire edition correct? And I know pariah nexus is focused on ad mech vs neceons but would the book be worth it even if I play neither faction?

[quaint compass]

They contain generic rules for the un-affiliated factions I believe

so they can be useful

[spice flicker]

Thank you for that information

[spice flicker]

Any advice for running a crusade campaign.

[proud wing]

i think tyranids v chaos is the funniest concept for 40k conflict

neither actually directly gains anything from fighting the other

they just see each other as the main competition for the food supply of all those tasty humans so they want to fight each other off

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4oW6CzIsIE

[proud wing]

i mean the design is pretty dumb

[pine matrix]

I wonder if there are any depictions of Shadow In the Warp turning off or crippling mutations

Some mutations might be self sufficient, but when you've got a guy with a flaming skull for a head, that's got to be running on Warp Juice

[proud wing]

actually wait, i feel like there should be some very fucky interactions between the guys who distort the fabric of the Warp and the guys literally made of Warp

[desert jay]

I think some of the Primaris have cool designs

My favorites are the phobos guys and the jumppack gravis guys. The storm speeder looks cool but I wish it had been a Land speeder refresh instead

A lot of the tacticus guys look fine and could’ve just been firstborn refreshes too

[pine matrix]

Afaik, it's a matter of who's overpowering who, your Daemons might have enough Warp going on to compensate for the SitW, but with enough Tyranids it smothers them into banishment

A bunch of Khorne daemons did crash the Octarius war at one point and didn't get instantly banished by the tons of Tyranids there

[proud wing]

but if the demons need to use a lot of their energy just to compensate for the shadow and not get banished, you'd think their fighting capacity would be dramatically reduced

[pine matrix]

Yeah, it might be downgrading from "this planet will get pulled into the warp" to "the daemons now have to actually fight and care somewhat about attrition"

Genestealer Cult saves a planet from a worldwide chaos ritual via a Hive Fleet arriving and smothering the ritual

[floral herald]

AIUI daemons aren't really effected by the shadow as much

[pine matrix]

Oh really?

[floral herald]

Yeah actual fights between them are sort of rare

But there is this example https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_Shadowbrink

And the shadow in the warp was not a major issue for the daemons

Though the tyranids were in general

daemonic psychic powers were interfered with but the daemons themselves did ok

[brittle salmon]

yeah, the Shadow is like...a psychic poison, basically

[tired cairn]

Deamons are used to a lot of screaming all the time in the warp

[brittle salmon]

where its a barrier between the warp and the user

but, well, Daemons are of the warp

so they mostly skip

[tired cairn]

Also I can easily see it being fine when manifested

Maybe Tyranids should cause screamy demons to spawn

[floral herald]

In this particular battle the Daemons basically left in a huff because fighting tyranids wasn't fun or rewarding

[floral herald]

That's a fun idea for sure

[tired cairn]

Tyranids run into demons enough to have an entire hive fleet dedicated to fighting them

[unreal cosmos]

The video is less about the actual reasons people object to Primaris (though it does go in depth about it and thoroughly addresses a bunch of the common "what they should have done differently") and more about why people capital-H HATE something as insignificant as a development in a hobby and how those flames are fanned by content creators.

[floral herald]

Yeah notably when daemons don't get bored and quit the field in a huff they're a huge problem for the bugs

[unreal cosmos]

Got an interesting observation of how the Warhammer community specifically is positioned in such a way where said content creators wind up being very influential.

[proud wing]

i've seen a lot of people dislike the primaris, but not super extreme vitriol

[unreal cosmos]

I just advise watching the video if you want to know what's up with it

[floral herald]

Since tyranids still don't appreciate how daemonic legions rot reality and they are a force which provides somewhere between "none" and "negative" biomass

[tired cairn]

I think the Intercessors look a lot better than older models

[floral herald]

I really didn't like primaris at first but they've grown on me

[tired cairn]

They just want food and the demons are ruining their lunch 😦

[brittle salmon]

I think Primaris are the poor execution of a necessary idea

[desert jay]

Yeah a lot of primaris models look good

[tired cairn]

I still can't decide if the devastatorDesolation marines are too much or just the right amount of stupid

[brittle salmon]

I don't even dislike the models, they're well sculpted

[desert jay]

Desolation marines and Repulsor are the only notable exceptions to me

[brittle salmon]

My issue has always been Primaris integration into the main Marine roster and how they've been mechanically depicted

[tired cairn]

The Rupulsor gets its name from being physically repulsive to its allies

"Just" doing a range refresh instead of making them weirdly different would have made more sense to me, yeah

[desert jay]

And there’s stuff like if they wanted more mechanically distinct units they could’ve done stuff like split Devastators based on primary weapon in the refresh

[floral herald]

The only thing which really bothers me about desolators is that I think the guns are... too simple looking?

[unreal cosmos]

That's in the video

or rather, a rather lengthy response to it is

[brittle salmon]

The way Primaris have been mechanically basically made them into Big Aspect Warriors

Which I think sucks

[floral herald]

The actual launchers have borderline Tau-clean lines and it feels weird for even the understated "GS your own greebles" Primaris aesthetic

I love the grossly oversized weapons though

[unreal cosmos]

I honestly really likethe Sgt

the one big rectangle tube is the best option

[floral herald]

This would bug me more if it wasn't essentially a callback to HH era squad organization

[desert jay]

What Desolators missile Devastators should’ve had

[floral herald]

That is a very space marine shaped weapon

[jaunty dawn]

I think aspect warriors have a lot more going for them than just all using a weapon

[brittle salmon]

I mean, the angle is "heavily specialised squads"

[floral herald]

Functionally speaking they are pretty similar - quasi monotask specialists who do 1-2 things Very Well

[brittle salmon]

Yes

[floral herald]

I do with it was more mechanically represented that Primaris marines are only part of a squad for a battle and just swap out weapons and such between them

[unreal cosmos]

Thevideo does touch on how that's not exactly unique to Aspect Warriors

[brittle salmon]

I don't really care too much about the video, this is my opinion

[unreal cosmos]

a lot of units have a single loadout or squad-wide loadout option

[spice flicker]

So are kriegers more WW1 French or WW1 Germans?

[unreal cosmos]

Well I was trying to talk about it and it just turned into the same conversation we have every week

[floral herald]

Yeah its not that rare (burna boyz immediately spring to mind) I do think Aspect Warriors are probably the most iconic "team of specialist squads" guys though

[unreal cosmos]

The video isn't really ABOUT "why are Primaris good or bad" it's about "why is the 40k fandom so easily stoked to controversy and who benefits"

[brittle salmon]

Fair enough

[unreal cosmos]

it does explore the points and counterpoints of that argument though, and I thought it was pretty unique for bothering to stop and explore the various alternative routes that many people bring up in these debates

[thin ibex]

I dunno if the ground is open to opinions, but I do think that it's kind of a solid thing from a purchasers and players perspective that you have a clearer idea of what a unit does when you buy it/ put it in your army

Also i find specifically intercessors kind of fun in that they are still super generalist, but with a much lighter load in general. Personally wish they had "machine gunner" like the heavies, but it's a mild wish

It's also nice from a balance perspective, much like with the new tau crisis changes

Instead of just having one "best" option and a bunch of "don't exist" options

[jaunty dawn]

it's also kinda like how in 2e you didn't buy a devestator kit you bought individual heavy weapons

in a way

[floral herald]

I'm sort of mixed on that since I remember when there were multiple viable Crisis setups with free pick

But I think you get more interesting models without free pick where you can give them cool rules

[jaunty dawn]

like you dont buy a tactical support squad (in 40k) but hellblasters and infernus marines both have much more flavour to their models

as in because you don't need a generic model with options

[desert jay]

Yeah I think if it was Hellblast Devastators and Inferno Devastators or whatever it’ve gone over better

[thin ibex]

tbf, in 10e index, the viable picks were "all CIB" or "Missile pods" and everything deviated or branched from those two

in 9e it was CIB and flamers iirc

sry, CIB or flamers

[jaunty dawn]

part of that was over time they removed a lot of the things that actually made the choices interesting

[floral herald]

I remember in 5e there were like 3 viable ones

[thin ibex]

with a bit of a heyday for mass airbursters

before it got nerfed

incidentally tau were responsible for the big artillery nerf lol

[floral herald]

Plasma/missile
flamer/fusion
burst cannon/flamer
weird commander stuff

[jaunty dawn]

like they went to a total of 4 systems, you stopped needing to use a system if you wanted to shoot two different weapons

[thin ibex]

fusion torpedo coldstars were a thing for a while

i.e. 4 fusions and a dream

[jaunty dawn]

doubling up on weapons went from twin-linking to double firepower

[upper canopy]

Primaris Intercessors are cool

I think the other units are largely silly looking though

[thin ibex]

i like how they're weapons are heavy and assault, and have a nade launcher and possibly a special melee weapon

very light, but versatile set up

[floral herald]

yeah I think twin linking was good for driving versatility

[thin ibex]

the thing i like about the crisis now is that A. each config has a specialized rule, and B.each set up has a role to play instead of the looming "Anything that I pick that isn't a CIB is effectively a mild to severe nerf"

[jaunty dawn]

definitely works for the way the game works now yeah

and it would help if more ppl played with legends in general

[thin ibex]

i did like when like... special systems were more weighted

so like the darksun filter or whatever it was called, or targeting uplink n so on

and taking more guns wasnt always the best way

or shield + more guns

but thats a different gripe

that i was a little glad to see curbed a bit in 10

[floral herald]

I think that level of free pick is kind of incompatible with how GW likes to design units now

[thin ibex]

the "if you dont have an invuln, you dont have a save" vibes of 8e and 9e

10e feels a bit better about not considering invulns mandatory

[floral herald]

for sure

[jaunty dawn]

taking drones also cost a system for a drone controller

rules also didn't really get solved though

[thin ibex]

i do feel like drones in general were done a bit dirty

[jaunty dawn]

while now stuff gets optimised like week of most of the time

[thin ibex]

but i guess they couldnt figure a way out of the shield drone trap

like i think tac drones are just gone now

iirc

[past sphinx]

If GW is going to insist on making sisters of silence a left arm in custodes they should atleast give the Acquisitor rules

[thin ibex]

as a unit

[thin ibex]

oh yo

[past sphinx]

i mean just look at this thing

[thin ibex]

wtf is that

looks ominous af

[floral herald]

That's great its so ugly I love it

[past sphinx]

the sisters of silence err

[bright dove]

Mini black ship 😄

[thin ibex]

its like if sebulba quit podracing

[jaunty dawn]

it doesn't even have volkite or phospex

not sure why it doesn't have rules

[past sphinx]

i have literally never seen one of these things, not even on battle report

[thin ibex]

ive never seen it till today

and it looks sick

so like, does an sos hunter go kidnap folks and put em in the sides

or on the sides

[jaunty dawn]

its like

a stealth transport

[past sphinx]

they keep giving the fuckin T3 one wound infantry with 1 entire kit entire sections of the rule book they might as well have a 3rd model choice

i have grown a strong distaste for them as their models are very fiddly to paint for some reason

somebody definietly watched old Dune before sculpting it thats for sure

[jaunty dawn]

it's funny

in heresy they have 20 profiles

and only one more model (this tank)

(okay, and a character and a resin pistols kit)

[desert jay]

That tank did have FW rules in 9e I think

[past sphinx]

just a like 2 more multipart kits and id go for em, they have a nice vibe and the models are cool

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think the acquisitor has ever had 40k rules

it's not the only thing, there's one or two other things like that

[past sphinx]

Stodes didnt even really have support until late 8th with space wizard awakening iirc and thats when SoS finally got rules

[unreal cosmos]

Shai Hulud...

[jaunty dawn]

vaguely remember that yeah

[past sphinx]

i hope that Forgeworld getting left in the tundra means that a unified codex will unfuck Stode. all of the forgeworld units (besides the tanks) have been absolute dogwater over the years and i believe it had to do with different departments trying to balance a weird army

I love aquilion terminators but theyve been hot trash the entire time compared to core codex terminators

[jaunty dawn]

people get ansty when resin stuff is viable haha

I like the dreads a lot

and the funky jetpack dudes

[past sphinx]

unsuprisingly the Dreads and Venitari have always kinda been good

its the weirder things that have sadly not seen play

id really like a pallas one day

Gyrfalcon jetbikes also slap but have the very dubious position of a fire support jetbike that wants to charge all the time

[thin ibex]

venetari are the normal bikers rn right?

they're currently out iirc, as far as top level play. I honestly think they're fine otherwise tho

[past sphinx]

Jumppack dudes, dawneagle are the normal bikes

[thin ibex]

ahh kk

i like their buckler/pistol combo

[past sphinx]

i really love how their armor is a modified version of the dawneagle jetbike armor

also specifically that they have actually boot texture, to many smooth shoes out here in warhammer land

[runic swallow]

So, based on a discussion I saw earlier, are demons empty calories for tyranids? Like, do they actually get any nutrients from them?

If they don’t, wouldn’t demons be the best way to kill off a hive fleet?

This is a very good idea that I’m sure would have no issues if implemented by a radical inquisitor

[bright dove]

Yeah, 'Nids don't really get anything from Daemons.

But Daemons also don't really get anything from 'Nids

[runic swallow]

Presumably they at least have skulls

[uneven ember]

There is, IIRC, a Hive Fleet that's adapted to daemon-fighting
It gets support food from a different Hive Fleet

[thin ibex]

Isn't that one zoanthrope. The doom of malantai or whatever, the one that ate a whole craftworld of souls, a sign that nids can eat souls

[valid brook]

@spice flicker Late read but: yes. Lots of aesthetic details are very French (like buttoning back the coat) and a lot of their conduct in the Vraks books is very attaque à outrance, but all the terminology is German-inflected and I think it’s safe to say they’re a generalized Continental Great War vibe

[uneven ember]

The real answer being "they're for if you had pewter WWI historicals for your games"
back when 40K was designed as a much more "bring your own" sort of vibe.

[valid brook]

I don’t really think that’s the case; their first appearance is two tiny pieces of lineart in the early 3e Codex:IG, they were throwaway flavor until FW fleshed them out aesthetically. By 1999 40k was past the era of deodorant tanks and bring your Perry Napoleonics, although that codex does still call out plundering 1:35 tank kits for kitbash parts.

[mental birch]

Whooo

[pastel rampart]

Found a neat use for window weather strips.

[uneven ember]

hah! That is neat

[pastel rampart]

It's an almost foolproof way of making sure people don't cut themselves on the fencing.

Used some tea strings to tie it down so it looks like some sort of protective padding. It's been glued down of course, but this makes it look better.

[quaint compass]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731179499458396201/1227633095709298849/20240410_155738.jpg?ex=66291d6a&is=6616a86a&hm=826bd25e7d0552b6b9738a89d090fba48c7fe448560db217c1b15bc2fc3ceb81&

A fly feathered friend (Nefarious)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731179499458396201/1227633095327354951/20240410_155701.jpg?ex=66291d6a&is=6616a86a&hm=49c9c39b239e7d387138240e4796fe7b6a3dbd232b19ed5c99955b3ee11cbde2&

[uneven ember]

ohh, I like

[pastel rampart]

...I kinda want to do one of those but with some eyes in the wings like some biblically accurate angel.

[quaint compass]

:O

That's fucking cool

Would be perfect for a tzeenchtian paemon drince

[pastel rampart]

Yeah!

[thin ibex]

looks like a good match, how did the turns go?

[mental birch]

Turn 1: i walk onto the objectives,
Turn 1: he kills me off the objective.
Turn 2: I walk onto both objectives, killing the thing he brought to do so.
Turn 2: He only kills me off one

Turn 3+4 is repeated I move onto objective and he struggles and exposes himself stopping me from scoring

Turn 4 bottom he moves out for final scoring

Turn 5 I score 10 and lock up the surviving half of his army by standing in front of him

win off the back of just killing him.

well not killing him

he only can score 10

primary

[thin ibex]

sounds like a very lethal game

[mental birch]

For me yes

For him, not really hahah

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/10/react-to-your-opponent-with-powerful-new-commands-in-newaos/

making all the enemy turn strats end of turn is quite interesting

but it's now fully like

there's a move, shoot, charge and cast command

oh and issuing commands is entirely gone

[pastel rampart]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/C5lFCyKyTmI/

[jaunty dawn]

pretty

[uneven ember]

ohhh that's cool

[lime gulch]

Anyone want some vintage undercoat

[soft willow]

Wow.

That can is probably old enough to drink.

[upper canopy]

I know two people who would probably want to buy that ngl

[uneven ember]

...it's not that old is it (oh god it is)

[quaint compass]

It's fucking 28 years old this year

[uneven ember]

🧓

[green dagger]

I can smell my childhood neighborhood hobby store looking at that can

[past sphinx]

The custodes discord has been struck by detactment leaks

and the doomerism has struck instantly

[lime gulch]

Sincerely if they want to they can buy it off of me lol, I was just dropping it here as a laugh but it's going in the trash otherwise
Hand them my disc and I'll ship it anywhere

Honestly "buy" more like pay the shipping + hassel lol

[thin ibex]

i feel like warhammer rules doomers are like an... extreme example of fandom doomerism

[floral herald]

I find it hard to take top tier army doomers very seriously haha

[lime gulch]

I know nothing about Warhammer rules other than doomers will burn $1500 of plastic over throwing fits, so it feels like hyperbole is the norm

[past sphinx]

Stodes always have jank codexs it feels

[floral herald]

And stodes have been pretty consistently top tier except for that period where they got trashed by not-mortal-wound rules

[thin ibex]

similar issue to knights in that having low count, high quality models is polarizing in a tactics game state

it makes your highs high and your lows low

[past sphinx]

Sagitarium stodes getting sustained hits will be very nice tho if they can still get lethal hits once a game

[desert jay]

Well the FNP detachment rule is gone entirely now, it’s a 1 round/battle offensive buff instead

[past sphinx]

as i am always smoking on that dark evil heavy bolter pack watered with the blood of 36 heretics

and fallback and charge might make Aquilion with flamers and claws okay

also having an entire detachment around character models is goofy af

[past sphinx]

Sisters of silence cant even be battleline outside of their absolute dogwater detachment

i hate it here

overall not bad

but im glad i dont spend my time at tournys

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/automaton-hulk-helldivers-2

[thin ibex]

im jumping into some in depth guides for gming WanG

hoping i can get a picture in my mind of how to make it work

[pastel rampart]

https://em4miniatures.com/en-us/products/space-rangers Who needs official GW marines when you have these

[jaunty dawn]

the SoS detachment is battleshock based 😬

one of their enchancements requires psyker and battleshock

which tbf it's a good buff anyway I think

like blade of st ellynor is nutty even before you lose a wound

oh there's a second enhancement that's also just a worse version of a SoB one that's kinda. weird

but yeah they should've really kept prosecutors battleline and made the null maiden detach make the other two battleline

[past sphinx]

that was literally all i was expecting with strat and enhancment support

Pyskers just aint that common IMO

a fuckload of armys HAVE brainwizard powers that simply are not space wizards

[jaunty dawn]

it's kinda weird after like

[past sphinx]

tau, orks, sisters of battle, deldar, a lot of guard stuff

[jaunty dawn]

kroot detachment

[past sphinx]

the admech

Nids

Necrons

the votann

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah it just kinda seems like

idk the fact that two of the enchancements are just worse versions of ones from the SoB detachment is just suspicious honestly

I like 'battleshocked or psyker' conceptually but it requires battleshock to be a fit for purpose mechanic which it unfortunately isn't

[past sphinx]

its like one writer wrote each one page of the detachment section and didnt correspond with anybody else

Sisters really needed another multi-loadout kit for this

give em the bolt pistols and maybe like a heavy weapons squad

Like plasma, something we dont have in stodes

[desert jay]

Bonus vs bshock, or causes more bshock?

[jaunty dawn]

detachment rule causes battleshock

but just hits all psykers and anything bellow full strength

(as opposed to half strength)

which I wanna say is the chaos knights rule?

I've been looking at the heresy sisters rules because without like, any models, it's really hard to parse haha

but they get assault needlers and needlecannons which seem pretty damn nasty

poisoned 3+ pinning

assault 3 or heavy 4

they also have access to adrathic weapons which are the unholy spawn of melta and plasma. less strength but armourbane at their full range, always ap 3 and gets hot, instant death to make up for their lower strength

[thin ibex]

honestly its feast or famine with psyker proliferation

like psyker rules are great against gk or ts

against tau?

nah

[jaunty dawn]

yeah it's

like one kinda interesting strat the sisters have is they can auto battleshock a psyker

in response to them using a psychic attack or ability

which is useless or fuck your opponent for playing

no in between

[upper canopy]

I really want to play Kroot

[jaunty dawn]

kroot kroot!

I'm excited to play them one way or another too

the models are so good

one thing I'm amused by is I have my rampagers and their riders seperate rn and the image of krootox with holstered pistols and knives is great

[upper canopy]

I wish the Greater Gnarloc wasn't legends

but that's not a huge problem for me

[jaunty dawn]

agreeed

it's kinda disappointing

at least it gives me no second thoughts about printing some eventually though

[thin ibex]

I want to order kroot

But no new models till I make my current ones

And at least base coat then

Them

[thin ibex]

I wonder if current direction for tau has a "no melee monsters" guidepost

So no gnarlocs

Greater gnarlocs I mean

[solemn gull]

link any you find please, I'm having a lot of trouble rapping my head around the system

[jaunty dawn]

i mean the rampagers are waaaaay more effective in melee than a greater gnarloc

and not that much less tough

I think they just wanted to introduce something funky and new in the lone-spear and everything else is a refresh or expansion on something in the contemporary range

but also when was the last time something from forge world even got addressed in 40k haha

and is it when a bunch of stuff thats still in production got moved to legends becsuse it happened to end up in heresy (or even got actively dumped in heresy)

[desert jay]

In fiction? Kreigers I guess

[jaunty dawn]

kriegers also got models and are getting new ones

[desert jay]

True but they started as a FW line

[jaunty dawn]

which the former was before 10e came out but kriegers is probably the best answer yes

oh no yeah my point is that the models are even more than just fiction haha

I mean the new codex mentions gnarlocs n all

[desert jay]

I’m thinking real hard about the SM tanks

[jaunty dawn]

definitely the main example since 8e at least

technically the ogryn from blackstone fortress but its a stretch

[south axle]

Gnarlocs confirmed for fall 2025 to keep Kroot players engaged

[upper canopy]

[desert jay]

Actually what about Secutarii?

Are they in any stuff about Titans?

[upper bluff]

What do you mean?

[desert jay]

Is there discussion or even mention of Secutarii in the books or w/e focusing on Titans?

[jaunty dawn]

pretty sure there is

much like how the legio cybernetica is still around

just 40k as a game doesnt deal with them

at least not extensively

[desert jay]

Yeah they’re only FW legends models RN, but that makes them another FW thing

[jaunty dawn]

right sorry to be more clear; my point is models that are mainline gw platic that originated as forge world models, that exist for 40k specifically

there was a bunch like baneblades and trygons at one point

but I think kriegers are the only ones recently

[desert jay]

Oh!

Knights Cerastus are the most recent, then

They dodged being legends AND got a plastic model

[tired cairn]

I wonder if they will get added to the 40k codex

[desert jay]

Probably, they gotta fill pagecount somehow, right?

[soft willow]

I would hope so.

But I suspect it will continue to live in a weird limbo.

Or even get phased out given that it's 30k packaging on the model.

[desert jay]

On the shiny new plastic model that they did multiple articles hyping last year?

[soft willow]

I've learned not to expect a competant sales plan from Games Workshop.

[desert jay]

Hah

[soft willow]

The real Knights rumor is that they're just going to mash the IK and CK books into one Knight Houses book.

[desert jay]

But I suspect reboxing for the new codex is more likely… whenever knights codex is

[soft willow]

And run them all as different detachments.

[desert jay]

I thought one book was basically confirmed already

[soft willow]

Had it been?

Other than the cards being one pack, I don't recall anything from GW about it.

[desert jay]

Yeah last year I think they said that, publishing the two armies in the same book

But only one army rule would be a surprise

And would make handling units like the stalker and abominant weird

[thin ibex]

Absolutely!

I started with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZkDuWOU7T4

[thin ibex]

Then im working my way through this playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1wALdHC_k&list=PLNO9hXAYybn81oKGaJfPvAqsg95SJT__5&index=2

[jaunty dawn]

what they said at the time was custodes and knights are not having their heresy options moved to legends

not that that's necessarily guaranteed to never change but they didn't, like, forget to legends them

n yeah chaos knights/imperial knights were one book last edition too

I think if they wanted to merge them entirely they uh. wouldn't have put so much effort into making chaos knights its own faction haha

[soft willow]

I mean see my previous statements about GW's business acumen, but yeah.

[desert jay]

Nah they were separate books in 9e, but the 10e indices did get bundled

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK0hu8gYpho

[spice flicker]

Is that just nurgle version of ghengis khan and/or sons/grandsons?

[upper canopy]

No

It's a sentient maggot possessing an ogre's corpse.

[still warren]

Oh man getting a grab bag of other races units seems fun. Can't wait for the chorf units with a nurgle frontline

[mental birch]

Holy crap

Tau at codex points are good

[pulsar cairn]

Baw aw

Tau au

[quaint compass]

He's just like me fr fr

[upper canopy]

motherfucker

[thin ibex]

We got da points?

[past sphinx]

Yes secutarii appear in most of the titan books, except titanicus

[jaunty dawn]

codex points as in whats printed in the book

[past sphinx]

and titan death i think

[spice flicker]

Aren't the tau codex points the same as the original index points?

[upper canopy]

The Kroot are horribly overpriced

in the Codex

I've heard

[tired cairn]

Codex points barely mean anything

They usually get updated quickly after the full release of the codex

[past sphinx]

overpriced and over delicate

they dont have anything on the strat front to keep them on the board and unkilled

[jaunty dawn]

they have a lone op strat

[past sphinx]

Take with a grain of salt of course

[jaunty dawn]

this sounds fake af

so does the end of the second section

[past sphinx]

Resin being gone by 2025 doesnt quite ring true with just how much of warhammer is in resin

Especially with the specialist games side

[jaunty dawn]

tow is literally built on reusing old resin

this ignores that those models are already mostly gone

completely gone in the case of wood elves

harlequins gone completely??

[storm schooner]

I don't understand why anyone would take anything said on 4chan seriously with 0 provication

[jaunty dawn]

'focus on small fast games' and 'warhammer underworlds discontinued'? nonsense

[unreal cosmos]

The Horus Heresy discord has had this for weeks and no one respectable believes it

[storm schooner]

Every single thing in this list could come true and I'd still assume the person who posted it is lying

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722865032391819305/1228032056919986236/petah-help-v0-bvjsr7s46utc1.png?ex=662a90fa&is=66181bfa&hm=d6a2a116f53feb1435b8462e1352a2b19309aa3c1747edda6d9c2cfab62964e6&

[soft willow]

The LI isn't doing well bit doesn't ring true given it sells out and people can't get product for it because of that.

[desert jay]

I heard some of this before but it might’ve been in the last few days (ie after 4/8), but also a mix of known stuff, easy shot in the darks and then some longshots is a good way to make fake leaks

[past sphinx]

the best way to make good internet content is lying

[upper bluff]

No way they're scrapping any ad mech units

They aren't even old models, right?

[jaunty dawn]

none of them are older than 7e

majority are from 8e

likewise with gsc

[desert jay]

Except maybe enginseer and servitors

Death Guard too, all either CSM-shared or from the big 8e release

[tired cairn]

Also their codex is out lol

But maybe GW discontinued a unit still in a codex. I guess deldar have been in that state?

[upper bluff]

Idk it's just like what would they discontinue? It would have to be something that isn't really represented by a detachment

So like idk archeopters? Like sure get rid of their aircraft that seems smart/s

[upper bluff]

Servitors are already cut

They used to be legends but not anymore

[tired cairn]

How old are those?

[past sphinx]

early 2000s

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah the og servitors

[upper bluff]

Honestly I'd want servitors to come back as a unit I like their rules

[jaunty dawn]

I only used them like once in modern 40k, in a boarding actions game in space marines

they were really fun though in that environment. sitting in a corridor with techmarine giving them better overwatch

we've had a fair amount of modern models tbf

these two

and some ogryn servitors in necromunda

just noticed the second guy has a uk plug socket on his chest???

[pastel rampart]

Truly an esoteric and lost technology.

[thin ibex]

i kinda want servitors to come back and like... i dunno, enhance a techpriests ability to repair or do a rule

[pastel rampart]

They used to help techmarines repair stuff.

[solemn gull]

Fuck yeah necromundan ogryn rebels mentioned

[pulsar cairn]

if i were an ork

would i enjoy living in the 40k galaxy?

they probably dont even think that hard

if the were no trouble they would go make some trouble

so i feel like they would enjoy living anywhere honestly

no other races for us to fight? time to fight amongst ourselves!

[past sphinx]

the orks are the only people enjoying themselves anywhere in 40k

in an fungi universe and were all just living in it

[pulsar cairn]

[past sphinx]

Its already a fungi universe however

it will outlast us

it is neather alive nor dead, it simply is and it consumes

they are also very tastty

[thin ibex]

Is it weird that when I look at the devastator marines, the frags seem really good as horde breakers?

[wintry mist]

Honestly if I was given my brain but just turned into an Ork I'd fucking hate it

[past sphinx]

you would need new furniture

[mental birch]

I mean crisis suits at those points

They're still good

at codex

[pastel rampart]

It begins.

[past sphinx]

tremendous hair

[pastel rampart]

Yeah everyone's been saying that, pft.

Gonna be ghostly spirits inside the armor so it's the start of wispy energy tendrils.

[past sphinx]

that'll go pretty hard

[pastel rampart]

It's something that'll be army-wide, tho some will have more or less "spirit" to them.

Rank-and-file? Ghostly skulls, empty hoods, or just little wisps coming out of the neck-hole. Heroes will have more "self" to them, aka faces and wisps n' such.

[past sphinx]

She sat on the desk for a year and change but she's done tonight

[pulsar cairn]

night lady?

[ebon forge]

Anyone know which novel this is shown?

[desert jay]

IIRC it was in either a codex or campaign book so they could have Tau in the Ultima Segmentum fighting Ultramarines and Death Guard and whatnot

[ebon forge]

ah i see

Thank ya

[cinder wraith]

wait what? where?

[unreal cosmos]

I don't think the Startide Nexus is that

But I could be wrong

[south axle]

It seems to be from the 8th Ed Tau Codex

[jaunty dawn]

startide nexus was caused by the first like mass deployment of slipstream modules

and was caused by the number being used simultaneously

in testing the issue hadnt presented itself and the fourth sphere fleet was equipped with them

great rift opening freed the fourth sphere and stabilised the nexus apparently

[south axle]

Also marked the 2nd appearance of T'au'va

[jaunty dawn]

Im reasonably sure that the introduction of the slipstream module and the fourth sphere was what de-canonised all previous ftl tau though

so the new ftl being their 'first ftl' is the retcon

[ebon forge]

Science ftl

[jaunty dawn]

their previous ftl drives, gravitic drives, were bfg lore

those where the ones that used the warp but doesnt travel through it

[south axle]

Was it the Warp Skipping stones?

[jaunty dawn]

yup

[ebon forge]

bfg lore?

[jaunty dawn]

haha battlefleet gothic

[ebon forge]

oh! Right

[jaunty dawn]

but like the gravitic drives they used to have were really slow compared to real warp travel so its not like they wouldnt still have motivation to develop the slipstream drive. the retcon is pointless

[south axle]

When you skip your ships on the "surface" of the warp

[ebon forge]

I think the retcon is to give a more "We use SCIENCE and no WARP in this"

[jaunty dawn]

they still developed the gravitic drive themselves tbf

[ebon forge]

yeah, but still used the warp

[jaunty dawn]

they just didnt consider actually entering the warp an acceptable risk and didnt have access to their own navigators

[south axle]

The nexus goes through the warp tho

[ebon forge]

huh, so yeah makes no sense

[jaunty dawn]

now that its stable I think its safe

and the slipstream drive itself doesnt use the warp

[south axle]

Tau goddess keeping the travelers safe

[ebon forge]

tho you can say the nexus is helping the T'Au make their own """webway"""

[jaunty dawn]

mm true

[spice flicker]

Saw the codex custodes points and felt sad for tje banana boys.

[jaunty dawn]

its kinda dire

[ebon forge]

Honestly 10th been making so many factions depressed it makes me glad i don't touch the tabletop

40k for me is a book series with a "few" 🅱️ideo games

[south axle]

The skrimish games seems to be more feel good for it's players compared to the big games

[ebon forge]

oh agree, Kill Team seems to be going good, more people should try it tbh

[south axle]

I am more into Necromunda over Kill Team

[ebon forge]

Necromunda looks fun
but no Orks so no deal

[spice flicker]

I started 10th edition with the dark eldar among my least favorite factions due to just general look (mostly the wyches and homunculi forces) and Lore but idk how (maybe it's the boats and how good the combat patrol box seems for starting) but they've grown on me to the point I might use them instead of knights (IK or CK) or Tau for an upcoming crusade. How these sadists escape my "I'm not really a fan of you" prison into becoming a possible primaru faction doesn't make sense to me.

[bright dove]

It's their gift

They're so authentically shitty that you develop an admiration for how cartoonishly evil they get

[spice flicker]

Maybe but if a month ago if you asked me about the drukhari I'd rank them maybe bottom or next to bottom tier and now they're one of my favored on tabletop...how did they do that?

Can't blame witchcraft since they have no psykers

[thin ibex]

so i see auspex just dropped a orks dex review

did it already release?

[dense sedge]

Termite assault drills? GSC need a modified civilian version to go full underminer

[thin ibex]

I think the thing i like about the current game state is that the allmighty "meta rankings" are so much less static

you dont expect an army to just stay at the top the whole edition

or one strategy to be the only one that works for possibly years

so while many factions get their go at being bottom tier or having bad points or what have you, they rarely stay there for comparatively that long

(comparative to older editions)

[south axle]

Preorder starts tomorrow

[thin ibex]

From my perspective, I think people get a bit overdramatic about it. A lot of factions are doing pretty well, and chances are the ones with shit points will get a balance pass within the quarter or the following one

[floral herald]

People like to bitch

Codex points literally don’t matter for example

[ebon forge]

That's good to hear
What is your opinion on AoS 4th ?

[floral herald]

Since they get replaced every 3-6 months

[thin ibex]

dooming hard is a tabletop tradition after all

honestly i dont got an opinion about new aos as of yet, havent been staying closely in touch with news about it and dont know current aos well enough to compare

but it seems cool

[south axle]

New plastic Skaven = good

New/more rats can only be good

[ebon forge]

oh shit we getting more rats , nice
All i heard was the Beastman cut and half of the stormcast getting shafted

[floral herald]

That’s not an AoS 4e thing

[thin ibex]

heck im still undecided about which army id want to have for aos tbh

[ebon forge]

Can't go wrong with rats -runs

[south axle]

A bunch of Skaven units are getting a re-fresh/place

[thin ibex]

i flip between demons for cross compatibility, stormcast for model and rules support, and generally high quality units, or seraphon because lizards with lasers is cool

[floral herald]

GW pulls models every year this was just a bigger year

[still warren]

Skaven are probably a safe bet if you want to get into 4e they'll be in the launch box which is always a good value, the last one was 1500ish points for $100 and you can still find that one.

CoS look cool and Ive been starting an army for AoS with them

[ebon forge]

The Seraphon looks sick too
Lord Big Toad is a mummy now

[past sphinx]

Ya just gotta have some blood axe mercinares

Run em as goliath and your in the gate and flying down the hive

[south axle]

Mummy toad has existed for a long time, he was even a thing in the World that Was

[jaunty dawn]

yeah there's enough build your own gang options in necromunda to make pretty much anything that's in scope

imo

the big guy generic statline for venators (bounty hunters) is basically the same as an ork even

at least, an oldhammer ork

just with furious charge built in

[solemn gull]

there are actually orks on necromunda, one of the hives has been nuked and quarantined but you know, spores get everywhere

[thin ibex]

i think part of my interest in demons is cross playability so that like.. i have an aos arym AND an army i can have a friend play in a pick up game

i have a real bad space wolves army lol, its 100% infantry from the wolfy battleforce

could use a dread or tank or two

[ebon forge]

amazing

[ebon forge]

Wait he was a mummy on the old world?
I though he became a mummy because he was able to abuse magic to survive and go to AoS world

[jaunty dawn]

no he's been a mummy this whole time!

[ebon forge]

huh...

[storm schooner]

he's really old

[south axle]

Old metal model

[storm schooner]

Lord Croak is old enough that he like actually knew a old one

[south axle]

Irc that model is from like 04-06

[floral herald]

That's why you could say he... Kroaked