Warhammer and Such

[ebon forge]

"Son what you did with your college funds?"
"Well dad, have you heard about the Red Gobbo?"

[thin ibex]

their only hopes are to battleshock you out of scoring or focus into one objective to try and clear it

but equally you'll struggle with most basic infantry to properly clear the tougher points to wounds/armor/save type units enough to push them off of a mid board

you could drown them out of oc

potentially

[spice flicker]

Imagine if in the guard codex they had a Detachment like the dark angels where if you're battleshocked you stay at OC1 instead of 0 as well as had other perks for infantry.

[thin ibex]

id love for catachans to get flamers AND snipers as their special weapon option

[pastel rampart]

"Wait, catachans have sniper rifles?"
"No they just throw a machete really, really hard."

[thin ibex]

its in their lore! they also like being marksmen! they just dont like mid range

long range/close range only

also wish they could have shotguns on the sergeant or even the whole squad

[pastel rampart]

I'm aware, just thinking it'd be a funny bit of modeling that their sniper team is just a pile of sharp knives and Punch Rockgroin aiming with an overhand throw.

[jaunty dawn]

need a proper catachan kill team really

[spice flicker]

So if you replaced the rapier and catachan with kreigers, you can have an army of 321 models since you can take 4x20 kriegers on top of 6x20 cadians and 6x20 infantry.

[thin ibex]

Anti Sniper Rock, darktide ogryn style

[spice flicker]

With the 1 being the lone commissar leading the troops

Truly what would be the price of a mile?

[jaunty dawn]

max neurogaunts, termagaunts, and hormagaunts + 1 unit of 20 gargoyles and a winged prime is 327 models

...so basically just comes down to the neurogaunts

22 models for 90 points

[thin ibex]

thinking about it

ther eal foe

the real foe*

is deployment

[spice flicker]

Reserves

[thin ibex]

too dangerous when your opponent also has 300 + models xD, only takes one turn to potentially shut you out of enough room to deploy 20+ model units out of reserves

[rocky shale]

Urge to play chaos knights is rising

I need more giant robots

Who needs to finish a first army when second army is right there

(and I found a good deal on a chainbreaker lance box)

[junior robin]

who needs to finish your 20th army when your 21th is right there

[rocky shale]

Chaos knights is clearly a good pick so I can use some of the models when I inevitably get lured into playing csm

[floral herald]

Yes yes hear the call of the warp

[rocky shale]

I want to headcanon them as transhumanist mechanicus who just live inside the knights because being a giant robot all the time is fun

Of course when the csm codex comes with a vashtorr detachment...

[uneven ember]

There was something I wrote in my Templars, where their Battle Barge has the "Maiden of the Machine"
(because I was doing a Camelot thing when I started thinking things up, and tried to figure out how I could have a Lady of the Lake analogue)
The AM has a way that someone can be plugged their brain into the ship to basically act as an intermediary between the Battle Barge and the Chapter leadership, which could be considered either "communing with the godlike machine spirit" or "being constantly bombarded with signal information from a city-sized spaceship flooding in through everything that would be a human sensation," but either way it makes communication less of a conversation and more like dealing with oracular glossolalia.

[floral herald]

https://fxtwitter.com/warhammer/status/1774742288914108591?s=20

I'm digging this

[uneven ember]

haaaa

[south axle]

Having warpstone on your body could never have a bad effect on you

[uneven ember]

Warning: side effects are COMPLETELY AWESOME

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this 1k primarily phobos list?

Omega Chapter (totally not alpha legion)
990/1000 points
Vanguard spearhead

Librarian in phobos armor, warlord
Lieutenant in phobos armor

5x intercessors

3x eliminators

2x5 incurors
1x5 infiltrators

2x invictor tactical warsuits, autocannons
1x gladiator lancer.

[pastel rampart]

https://x.com/DubhDonald/status/1774930929682702381?s=20

Lord Inquisitor Torquemada Coteaz (@DubhDonald) on X

Twitter · Apr 1, 2024, 10:44 PM

[thin ibex]

Hmm I wanna try too do a machine gunner themed list, which faction should I go with?

[bright dove]

Skaven

[dense sedge]

GSC have a bunch of stubbers

[past sphinx]

Still a wip but comin strong

[uneven ember]

dig the silver feathers
gives it some pop

[bright dove]

Ah, machine guns!

[spice flicker]

Any ideas or suggestions on a list for just spamming flamers (as well as similar weapons) and getting the most out of them?

[bright dove]

Well, my first thought for that sort of thing will always be Sisters of Battle.

[past sphinx]

or custodes have Sisters of silence with cheap flamers

but thats just Stodes with a bunch of SoS

[jaunty dawn]

if you want the most out of them its salamanders for sure

[mental birch]

I'm thinking 120 kroot

with reinforcement backup

dancing on objectives

[rocky shale]

Tsons can do some decent flamer-brick spam

At 2k points you could go like:
Magnus
Arhiman (Leading Rubrics)
2x Exalted Sorcerer (Leading Rubrics)

3x10 Rubric Marines with flamers
2x Rhinos (To carry rubrics)
2x Mutalith Vortex Beasts (which do have a flamer profile)
2x3 Tzangor Enlightened (No flamers, just here to sit on points)

Itll struggle against tanks but the MVBs and magnus can do work there. If you could live with 10 less flamers you could probably squeeze in two forgefriends or a 3rd MVB and 1 forgefiend.

[thin ibex]

I enjoy doing salamanders with flamer impulsors

But also SoB with their unique flamer transport packed with more flamer sisters

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/MeU_317/status/1775055295477350454

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/potemkin-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-taunt-arms-crossed-gif-27320587

[thin ibex]

Reminds me of Kidd from OP

Magnet powers only to do one thing, make giant hands

[spice flicker]

How good are infernus Marines in all honesty? Worth building an army around?

[thin ibex]

theyre good at what they do, which is provide volume str 5 flamer attacks. They're special rule is battleshock oriented, so kinda eh, but nice if it works i guess. Salamanders is nice because Vulkan H'estan gives torrent weapons rerolls on a chosen target, and the firestorm detachment can bump up flamer str up close

infernus marines are otherwise as fragile as normal marines, with the same movement profile and shorter attack range

[bright dove]

"As fragile as normal marines" is a wild statement to me still.

[thin ibex]

i mean personally i think 3+ save with 2 wounds is decently tough

but generally people disagree i guess

[bright dove]

The hell are we comparing Marines to?

[thin ibex]

the number of guns that can hurt them i guess

i do wonder if like... theres still vestigial "if it dont got an invulnerable save, its made of paper" mentalities from prior editions

cause most things have less AP now than before

[jaunty dawn]

firestorm also gives devestating wounds as a stratagem

[thin ibex]

and cover is super accessible

[spice flicker]

Still find it funny that devestator squads can't take heavy flamers.

[thin ibex]

i think as far as like meta goes

youre better off building around flamer aggressors than infernus marines, infernus marines often make up a like... spice to flavor rather than the core of an army

that being said, i fucking love flamer armies because by god is removing one entire stage of rolls suprisingly effective

[bright dove]

Oh yeah, improving the odds is great!

[thin ibex]

dice curse hurts me less if i reduce the amount that i roll

[jaunty dawn]

the thing about marines has always been that whatever kills marines gets spammed pretty much

[thin ibex]

yeah, because youre absolutely guaranteed to play against marines in any competetive environment

so one of your hurdles is always going to be "can you kill space marines"

gotta say it was actually kinda weird when one of my crusades had 0 marine players

orks, admech, nids, guard

[jaunty dawn]

I think one of the big niches infernus has over agressors is riding impulsors

[thin ibex]

flamer boats are so much fun

[jaunty dawn]

get a ridiculous flamer threat range

[thin ibex]

also hard to like remove in one turn

even if you destroy the transport, most of em will prolly live

honestly, flamers even end up being decent AT due to volume. Not great at it, but they can be surprising

on how many wounds they can shlorp off

just incidentally

and of course, flamers are the finest overwatch tool

[jaunty dawn]

6 strength is a decent breakpoint for anti vehicle as well

for infernus marines in firestorm

a lot more t10 vehicles than t12 ones

thunderstrike liberators

I kinda wish they'd kept a little more of the original shield elements but idk

also this particular one has a funny face

wish there was a better view of his hammer

[spice flicker]

So how is the land raider redeemer? Overcosted compared to normal or definitely worth investing in for the flame brigade?

[jaunty dawn]

land raiders are pretty good atm iirc

[spice flicker]

Even the flamer LR?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

I think so

[mental birch]

Yeee

They're good at asking the one important question

[jaunty dawn]

best transport for flamer aggressors

[mental birch]

Did you bring anti tank

[jaunty dawn]

and since flamer aggressors don't need a apothecary biologis the 14/7 transport capacity is perfect

so they can hang with just a gravis captain

[thin ibex]

the LR is generally just a big honking "if you dont deal with this, its cargo is going to get at least 1 free turn untouched to mess you up"

and LR are not easy to deal with, even with traditional AT

you either need str 13+ shooting or a high volume of str 12

[jaunty dawn]

immolation protocols is a battle tactic even

[mental birch]

I'm fine with

Fusionstars

9 fusion with reroll wounds let's goooo

[thin ibex]

fusion crisis are gonna be on main for tau for a lot of folk i think

as a much needed mobile at

though i think ill be running the plasma/missile ones with my thematic army

[mental birch]

They exist as a wow I hate tanks

[spice flicker]

So for 1k points how does this look:

Lords of the Inferno
Firestorm Assault Force

Apothecary
Gravis captain (powerfist+relic fist)

5x intercessors

6x flamer aggressors
5x infernus Marines
3x plasma inceptors

1x LR redeemer fully kitted out
1x impulser with missile array

1000/1000

[thin ibex]

im a big fan of flamer/burst tbh, though its because im a sucker for burst cannons xD

[mental birch]

Burst with farsifht leading them

[thin ibex]

gimme my gatling space army

[mental birch]

😉

Underrated memes

S6 with +1 to wound and AP 2

[thin ibex]

hmm honestly... would my narrative of the hive/tunnel fighting enforcer suit clad commander be rolling with the plasma/missiles as a elite killer or would he be rolling with flamer suits...

prolly the plas/missiles as like the generalist hero's mantle lads

but i imagine they frequently get into close quarters combat

[mental birch]

Tunnels plasma is better

IMO

[thin ibex]

hes gonna be working with fire teams and kroot and so on who will cover clearing the lighter targets, and he in turn needs to be deleting tougher targets for them

yeah

gonna stick with the plaslads

gotta revise my planned purchase/army list with all the new kroot tbh

was gonna get a stormsurge as like the mobile location/base anchor

also the image of it stalking through the giant hive tunnels was a sick one in my head

[pastel rampart]

I like that new armor. It's just the Vindicators with a weapon swap but that's not a bad thing imo

[thin ibex]

like seeing the stormsurge's lights through a sheet of water

[jaunty dawn]

they have slightly different shields cause they don't need to brace their weapons

[pastel rampart]

I was thinking of finding Vindicators and doing an ol' weapon swap anyway so I'm glad my instincts worked out well, hah

[jaunty dawn]

and little tilt plates

[pastel rampart]

And yeah, slightly different shields and those plates, but fundamentally the same armor.

Which is great! They look consistent now.

[jaunty dawn]

not sure about the helmets haha

but yeah it is cool

[pastel rampart]

I've never liked the helmets but that's an easy fix.

I've got an Idea™️ for a small Stormcast force so I was planning on ditching the helms anyway.

[jaunty dawn]

I dunno if it's just this one guy but the forehead strip looks weiiird

[pastel rampart]

I think the sculpted bottom lip looks weird.

[jaunty dawn]

I think he's smirking or something

[pastel rampart]

Like it's not as much a problem with the other two but this one seems...I dunno, odd? Tho possibly that strip is what throws it off.

[jaunty dawn]

whereas the other ones are more like

expressionless masks

which works

[pastel rampart]

Yeah

My plan is to replace two things: the heads and the shields.

I wanna go with a death theme with them so the armor's gonna be inhabited by 👻 spirits 👻 which means the heads will be some wraith-looking things, or skulls--both painted an ethereal blue. Ideally I can find skull heads with hoods so I can get a neat OSL glow effect under them.

The shields will be coffin lids.

[spice flicker]

How's this for a 2k points Inferno?

Lords of the Inferno
Firestorm Assault Force

Apothecary
Gravis Captain, warlord

5x intercessors

2x6 flame aggressors
2x5 infernus Marines
5x devastator Marines with grav cannons
3x eliminators
3x plasma inceptors

2x LR redeemers fully kitted out
1x drop pod (to deliver the devastators+one infernus squad)
1x furioso dreadnought, double claws and double heavy flamers

1x impulsor, missile array

1995/2000 points

And yes these guys are actually blood Angel successors due to me considering the usage of the baal predator at one point

[unreal cosmos]

I'm a big fan of the helmet

The riveted band makes it look more like a traditional helmet than a perfect mask

[jaunty dawn]

really wish gw would dispatch preorders earlier

its complicated by the bank holiday weekend but my kroot aren't arriving till thursday

[thin ibex]

couldnt afford hte pre-order

[jaunty dawn]

but like it took ages (okay, relative, admittedly) for leviathan and age of darkness to arrive too

n it just kinda sucks when half the time you have to preorder to be able to get any of the first wave of stock but it doesn't actually like. really help in any other way

as a consumer

[indigo wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZMQnClNlOA

https://www.patreon.com/ProjectWarheads667

[spice flicker]

Any eta on the tau codex and new points?

[jaunty dawn]

it was about a month between the dark angels box and the full release

so uh. about a month probably 🙃

[spice flicker]

Thanks

[past sphinx]

this is such a weirdly specific question but what kind of martial arts do you think the imperium trains

[floral herald]

I think there's a lot of kinds

[past sphinx]

ah well true

i think they think grappling is for cowards

big on striking with the upper body

if you fence in a circle instead of a square you will be shot

i think space marines would be an interesting study

how do you train to fight without a weapon when you can punch through steel

and you are taller that 75% of the enemy

and you are fighting 8 at one time

[thin ibex]

honestly with the greco roman styling from people like space marines, i think wrestling and some basic boxing are core

i think more esoteric ones get practised by specific groups and orders

notably some martial styles get named in the eisenhorn series

But generally speaking, wrestling never goes out of fashion as a martial skill

[zinc field]

He decided to test the mettle of his opponent with something easy, a feint to gauge his reaction speed and reflex response. The Cebrenian halberd slashed at Yael’s head, but the Templar swayed aside and batted away the killing edge, spinning around and resuming his circling. He was employing Bonetti’s defence, a tried and tested technique, but one that would struggle against an opponent with four arms. Capa Ferro would be the logical mode of attack against such a defence, but from the motion profile he had already built up, Dahan suspected his opponent was luring him into such an attack. His footwork was that of the great swordsman of Chemos, Agrippa, but his grip was Thibault. From Priests of Mars

[thin ibex]

I do find the idea of pure martial skill with a sword a bit funny when considering the extent that a space marines power armor limits their movements, especially the pauldron

And the size of the weapons

[pastel rampart]

There's probably specific fighting styles centered around power fists and lightning claws, being an extension of unarmed combat and all.

[thin ibex]

I imagine for guardsmen, most martial training is like basic wrestling, pole fighting, and informally boxing

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. The basic close combat weapon for a guardsman is a bayonet and not much else, so they probably learn how to fight in ranked masses with those.

[floral herald]

Space marines probably practice armored and unarmored styles

Like the ritual duels imperial fists fight with the legs locked into place and no upper body armor

[untold swallow]

Okay but this is literally just namedropping several longsword, spada da lato, and rapier manuscript authors and schoolmasters XD

Like I'm a fucking nerd

I recognize all these names

Now

Bonetti's Defense is a layered reference

[zinc field]

It's a princess bride reference....

[untold swallow]

It is to Princess Bride

Which in turn

Is to an actual swordmaster and manuscript author

[untold swallow]

It can be and is both

Capo Ferro was an Italian rapier fencing instructor, and Gerard Thibault was one as well

sorry if I came off as aggressive initially

[zinc field]

a bit yeah

no worries

[untold swallow]

now

Agrippa is just

a Roman name

Probably meant to be referencing Marcus Agrippa

Who was not a sword instructor of any kind and is in fact mostly famous for his naval strategy and ability to think like a more modern commander

[zinc field]

Camillo Agrippa, who wrote a rapier fencing manual in the 1500s

[untold swallow]

looks it up

https://tenor.com/view/ah-i-see-as-well-man-of-culture-gif-13853630

What still sends me about this is

If you think about it

All the other namedrops continue the Princess Bride reference

i.e. the referenced moves or styles mean

Nothing

XD

also also all these people are swordmasters and probably didn't know the first thing of halberd fighting

But this is definitely me reading too much into it

[floral herald]

It might be a reference to him (it likely is) but it’s gotta be sort of indirect since it’s about Agrippa of Chemos

Who iirc taught Fulgrim

[upper canopy]

The Primaris killteam doesn't even come with knives standard

They just punch shit to death

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/astartes-vibe-check-punch-warhammer-gif-16764913

I mean, if it works

[floral herald]

I like all the kill teams with “Fists” for melee

[untold swallow]

oh, interesting

[solemn gull]

Very late to this but the dumb basic answer is probably all of them. There are so many different cultures across the imperium and they all probably have unique martial arts.

[uneven ember]

Well, they've widely concluded that "chainsaw sword" is a practical close-range weapon
so maybe they're just not actually very good at things.

[uneven ember]

oooohhhh this is cool
& specifically cool to me that they included a Thunderhawk Transporter. Kinda spcecific but I don't see that a lot.

[bright dove]

Can't hear you over the sound of rad eviscerations

[thin ibex]

Hmm chainsword army maybe...

Fun concept but not a lot to do with it...

[jaunty dawn]

its really funny how much of a legacy there is to 40k being like

boltgun and chainsword are the standard iconic weapons

therefore they should be mechanically nondistinct and not great

at least chain weapons have a thing now in heresy 2

(they all get shred; reroll wounds)

[pastel rampart]

https://twitter.com/BitsHammer/status/1775361765574152579

Bits 🏳️‍🌈 (@BitsHammer) on X

Mortarion would be a sovereign citizen in 40k if he knew about the idea

Twitter · Apr 3, 2024, 3:16 AM

[pine matrix]

"Grandfather's gifts shall rot away all government records!"

This afternoon I've been mulling over how much of a heresy legion you could conceivably build, numbers wise

Need at least 100 marines for a standard company, plus command and bodyguard, vehicles, etc. 5 standard companies for a battalion, so 500 marines...

[soft willow]

Judging by how much LI you need to play a full game 500 marines is light.

[pine matrix]

Oh sure, I was thinking more the regular horus heresy marines. Two Age of Darkness boxes would get you a company worth of marines, at least

[tepid stratus]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/03/how-building-your-army-has-changed-in-newaos/?utm_source=Social+Media&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=NewAoS&utm_content=Rules

New list building rules for AOS

[pastel rampart]

If you want to build a list that’s just a single hero and a swarm of Doomwheels zooming around and causing havoc, we won’t stop you!

Every skaven player going yes, YES

[tepid stratus]

Tldr: there's no hard restrictions anymore but you can regiment 3-4 units together with a hero based on certain keywords (example in the article is vanari heroes with vanari units in lumineth) allowing them to drop together. Units not regimented are considered auxiliary and drop individually. The list with the least auxiliary units gets an extra command point. Additionally faction leaders can regiment with anything

Also noted command point farming is going away, sub factions are going 40k style while keeping the current 3rd edition enhancement system. There's no limit on how many units can be reinforced anymore but each unit can only be reinforced once.

Soulblight players are eating good with all the cool vampire characters that were previously sub faction locked now getting to super friends together

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/DZyIYtQKNij3hUHZ.jpg

as an aside I forgot about the cow-elves and how like, actually kinda neat that model is?

[tepid stratus]

The spirit of the mountain is a super cool kit

[south axle]

Fox Archer is also nice

[tepid stratus]

I'm super curious what the spirit of the water will look like because their temple unit implies it might be some kind of sea horse

[jaunty dawn]

oh huh

kinda glad I won't have to get as many tree-revenants just to have a valid 2000 pt army haha

regiments seem kinda fun

[thin ibex]

they have some awesome like..,. centerpiece models tbh

[still warren]

An extra command point per turn specifically so that might actually be enough to weigh out the advantages of just all auxiliary units

[jaunty dawn]

realised the new regiments system mean each army is gonna potentially have a more unique spin on that

compared to the current where it's like

Monster regiment. Artillery Regiment. Everything else regiment

regardless of army

apart from a few unique batallions some factions got

[thin ibex]

i suppose a new edition might be a btter time to get into the game

[spice flicker]

I wonder how this will affect the soulblight gravelord list I was theorycrafting that was centered around constantly regenerating grave guard.

Considering nothing was double reinforced and had 7 units/squads I can see it being 2 or 3 regiments.

[still warren]

If you are thinking about getting into the game the launch box has been really good value. The 3e one is still readily available and it's about 1500 points for $100. Excited for the 4e one

[tepid stratus]

Per round not turn but yeah

[past sphinx]

god i want a 40k sovcit in a warhammer crime novel so bad now

[unreal cosmos]

The ADEPTUS ADMINISTRATUM has Sold your Birth Papers to the T'AU EMPIRE but you can buy them back by Inscribing the Emperor's Prayer on FORM ALPHA 869 J SECUNDUS SUB-FORM 84364688436 TERTIUS

[spice flicker]

I know it has been reduced to legends but what do you think of the Greater Brass Scorpion in terms of the model and on tabletop? Brainstorming something but was curious what others thought of it.

For reference

[pastel rampart]

https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-interviews-vshojos-matara-kan-it-took-me-14-years-to-be-an-overnight-success/

[pulsar cairn]

wait

fabious bile wears a flesh coat?

wtf

[solemn gull]

he is a EC

[pulsar cairn]

i know his all chaos juiced

but i never noticed that

wtf

he doesnt hang out with the rest of them a whole lot tho does he?

[solemn gull]

he does but he also does his own thing

stops in from time to time when they aren't trying to kill him

[pulsar cairn]

[jaunty dawn]

probably one of the most iconic superheavy models ever made

still remember when I saw one in person when I was like 10 at a gw sunday club

removing it from 40k was doing it so dirty but at least it fits better in hh as a game in general

[spice flicker]

Thinking of working towards adding one into a csm crusade list if legend is allowed which is part of why I was curious what people thought.

[unreal cosmos]

Is there any references for Brood Brothers in active service? Thinking about what happens if they're on campaign and can't settle down long enough to do a traditional uprising

[spice flicker]

Whats the best way to finish up this 1k pure Undivided CSM list?

870/1000 points

Sorcerer, warlord
Sorcerer

2x5 legionnaires with bolters and 1 soul reaper cannon
1x5 legionnaires with lascannon, 2 heavy melee weapons, and 2 chainswords

1x5 havocs with autocannons
1x5 havocs with lascannons
1x5 raptors with 2 plasma guns and a plasma pistol

Venomcrawler

[dense sedge]

They just serve like a regular legion would until it happens

[jaunty dawn]

I think the new kill team says that brood brothers often end up in quite high positions

[upper canopy]

Presumably yeah they just keep hiding while trying to create new cults on new planets

[jaunty dawn]

squad pic of the new libs

definitely like the rest more than the first one they showed

and actually getting to see the hammers properly I think they're a huge improvement

for comparison

[still warren]

I admit I still think the one handed hammers look silly

[jaunty dawn]

they're still very massive

but the shape is just so much better

imo

[still warren]

The two hander though is great

[thin ibex]

the one handers are like... so much closer to being reasonable xD

i kinda like em cause they look like bearded hammers

[pastel rampart]

I know it's an election year but c'mon

[tired cairn]

I find one ok, but dual wielding them is too much

[pastel rampart]

I do like that the new hammer head designs seem a bit...dwarf-y.

It is gonna be a bit odd when you have these with the vindicators side-by-side and then you look at the crossbow dudes looking not really at all the same. So I wonder if those are up for a refresh soon.

[south axle]

I hope they'll show some of the good-good forces filled with strong-proper rat folk

[floral herald]

https://x.com/SciFi_Wargamers/status/1775421149423296547?s=20

Snake Works Studio (@SciFi_Wargamers) on X

A 90’s games workshop store going into the famous “Red era”, but do you know which one? Was it your local? Also, why is the lighting so yellow??? Weird.
.
#oldhammer #warhammercommunity #warhammer40k #40k

Twitter · Apr 3, 2024, 7:12 AM

Fun fact this store is actually dark green but the photographer messed up the white balance and gave us the modern image for this era of GW store

[jaunty dawn]

my kroot arrived today!

the models are so good

anyway I'm reading the new codex and apparently one of the krootforms is the krootworm

and it's explicitly described as dimunitive its not like a kroot sandworm

I imagine it's kinda like a slowworm type thing or something

[spice flicker]

When it comes to crusade can I still add regular enhancements like the veiled blade to a blade champion at the start of the crusade and if so do i need spend requisition points to do so or just regular points?

[jaunty dawn]

uh so

it's a requisition and it costs points once you get it

[upper bluff]

The codex has crusade rules, right? I haven't heard anything about that

[jaunty dawn]

it does!

I haven't looked in depth but its like the 9th ed ones where you're gunboat diplomacy-ing planets

but there's also a fun special kroot upgrade for shapers that take out a warlord where they give a buff to their unit based on the species of warlord they took out

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah it's a requisition that normally replaces a battle honor gained on rank up, but the first time you buy it (essentially, at force creation) you get to give one to one hero regardless of their rank

it costs more the more enchancements in your force

[spice flicker]

So is starting with a single enhancement worth it or nah?

[jaunty dawn]

but aiui you're not limited to enhancements from any particular detachment (as long as the unit getting the enhancement can be taken in that detachment)

and then once its taken it's a permanent part of that character and their points are increased accordingly

and there's also as far as I can tell no 3 enhancement limit either

probably worth, depends what enhancements are available

some are fairly build defining

oh wait I think you can only give it to character before it ranks up at force creation

so it's probably a bit of waste not to give something to a starting character

since after that taking the requsition is instead of that unit gaining a battle honor

[spice flicker]

So which would you say is better for a crusade?

A:

Sorcerer, warlord
Warpsmith

2x5 legionnaires, 2x heavy melee weapon, 2x chainswords, lacannon

2x5 raptors, 2x plasma gun, 1x plasma pistol

2x venomcrawlers
2x predator annihilator, Lascannons

990/1000 points

Currently the csm list is:

B:
Terminator Sorcerer, warlord, eye of Tzeentch
Sorcerer

10x cultists, flamer, grenade launcher
2x5 legionnaires with bolters and reaper chaincannon
5x legionnaires, 2x heavy melee weapon, 2x chainswords, lacannon

2x5 havocs (one group with autocannons and the other with lascannons)
1x5 raptors, 2x plasma gun, 1x plasma pistol

venomcrawler

995/1000 points

[jaunty dawn]

I think they each have quite different flavour so it's like

in the eye of the beholder really

which makes sense for crusade in general

[spice flicker]

I see

I guess in general which seems like a better 1k list?

[floral herald]

Who does the termi sorc go with?

I lean towards the first list

Partially because of the termi sorc seeming to not have a unit to lead

[spice flicker]

The termie was going to be solo until I can increase the army size.

[jaunty dawn]

termi sorc is very support orientated

ime

like a termi lord could probably do decently well solo even if mechanically there's not a huge incentive do so, while a big part of the sorcerer is warptime

[floral herald]

I agree with that yeah

[spice flicker]

So list A is better or is there a hybrid of the two lists that might work better?

[floral herald]

I like the A list more except for that I really like the cultists

I'm also a big chaos lord fan - Lord of Chaos is just a strong rule

[jaunty dawn]

rpg where you play kroot farstalkers would be fun

just roam around in your little ship looking for jobs

go home to your big ship every now and then to see the folks

[spice flicker]

Hmmm..... what to do....

[pastel rampart]

Satellite online

[spice flicker]

Hmmm.... for that csm crusade list should I go all Undivided, all one mark, or a mix of multiple marks?

[spice flicker]

How does this look for a 1k crusade for csm? (Mark of Undivided if not specified)

970/1000 points

Terminator lord, Warlord with Mark of slaanesh, combi bolter, power fist, and intoxicating elixir (-1 Requisition point for enhancement)
Sorcerer, Mark of Tzeentch

10x cultists, flamer, grenade launcher
2x5 legionnaires with bolters and reaper chaincannon, Mark of Tzeentch
1x5 legionnaires, 2x heavy melee weapon, 2x chainswords, lacannon, Mark of khorne

1x5 havocs, lascannons
1x5 raptors, 2x plasma gun, 1x plasma pistol

1x Chaos Predator Destructor with Heavy bolter sponsons, combi-bolter, havoc launcher, Mark of Tzeentch
1x venomcrawler

Im not sure what to do with the remaining 30 points though

[floral herald]

I'm a little unsure about the solo termi lord

But I suppose you can deep strike and termicide him pretty well

[spice flicker]

With the combination of a T5 2+, 4++, 5+++, and deep strike I am hoping to get some use as a deep striking thorn with just a little durability. I will likely invest in adding Terminators as bodyguards when the points total goes up.

Thoughts on the rest of the list?

[floral herald]

I like it

[spice flicker]

Nice and any suggestions for what to do with the 30 points?

[floral herald]

ngl I suck at finishing off point remainders

[runic swallow]

Remember the days Rhinos cost 35 points and cry?

[spice flicker]

They still do in HH

[runic swallow]

Huh, neat

[spice flicker]

Keep the raptors or replace with 2nd venomcrawler?

[floral herald]

I'm pro raptor

I think they can pack a lot of mobile firepower with 3x plasma weapons and make a good harassing unit.

[runic swallow]

Highly mobile melta or flamer isn’t bad either

Unless they changed that they can get those

[floral herald]

They still can

[rocky shale]

It's past midnight so I made an army list where you roleplay as a used car salesman.

Tallyman (45pts): Close combat weapon, Infected plasma pistol
Typhus (80pts): Master-crafted manreaper, Warlord

10x Plague Marines (180pts)

20x Poxwalkers (100pts)
3x Myphitic Blight-haulers (300pts)
3x Myphitic Blight-haulers (300pts)
3x Myphitic Blight-haulers (300pts)
Plagueburst Crawler (180pts): Armoured tracks, Plagueburst mortar, Rothail stubber, 2 plaguespitters, 2x Plaguespitter
Plagueburst Crawler (180pts): Armoured tracks, Plagueburst mortar, Rothail stubber, 2 plaguespitters, 2x Plaguespitter
Plagueburst Crawler (180pts): Armoured tracks, Plagueburst mortar, Rothail stubber, 2 plaguespitters, 2x Plaguespitter
Death Guard Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Havoc launcher, 2x Plague combi-bolter

3x Nurglings (40pts)
3x Nurglings (40pts)

Typhus owns the car lot and he has 10 plague marine salesmen led by a tallyman accountant. There are 20 poxwalkers (customers) and 13 cars for sale. For good measure, there's also 6 rats (nurglings) nesting in the cars.

It's exactly 2k points so GW intended death guard to be played this way

[tepid stratus]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/04/whats-leaving-the-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-range/

GW killing a lot more stuff than I expected

Granted some of it is warranted and the warcry stuff you can probably get away with using as darkoath proxies but killing off BoC is just tragic

[pastel rampart]

Some of those stormcast choices is perplexing and I wonder if they're just getting new models as part of a line refresh.

[jaunty dawn]

All of the warcry stuff?

thats kinda fucked ngl

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, f'real.

BoC being axed is pretty fucked tho, out of all the losses there. Basically an entire faction is going to be gone.

[jaunty dawn]

and straight up removing 2e stormcast

[south axle]

Hopefully the Warcry stuff is more just not getting their own rules in AoS and not full discontinue. The Stormcast is just fully getting axed for now

[jaunty dawn]

well everything will still have rules

[south axle]

The Skaven one is weird as 2 of the units is what was their Battleline units

[jaunty dawn]

apparentlt so it isnt clear whats getting refreshed? bizarre

the skaven refresh is honestly gonna have to be ridiculously extensive

[south axle]

10/16 are old-old, 5 are from 2011 and one is somehwere between 2012-2014

[jaunty dawn]

otherwise theyre making like almost all skaven clans unplayable

[pastel rampart]

Rat ogres were...7th ed WHFB I think, so really old.

Clan rats are the most recent, from 8th ed, so close to 14 years.

[south axle]

Night Runners and Plague Monks not being part of the re(fresh/place) is weird to me as the Runners are from OG Mordheim

[jaunty dawn]

orruk warclans is gonna feel weird if theyre still one codex for just two factions

I mean they include clan rats

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1225435105250771034/hf19xp29cok61.png?ex=66211e60&is=660ea960&hm=35105108782c816bdc9af65452a3683443e34bf405dfdda0aefc084ad70e639d&

[jaunty dawn]

so I like I said this doesnt really tell us anything about what is or isnt getting refreshed

[south axle]

Clanrats, Stormvermin, MAster Moulder and Arch Warlock are from 2011

[jaunty dawn]

need to pick up a mistweaver saih

the boc axing sucks a lot and also like

[tired cairn]

Axing them until a refresh is pretty bizarre. I'm assuming their codex is going to be awhile?

[south axle]

BoC isn't getting a new AoS codex tho, they are relegated to TOW

[bright dove]

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO START COLLECTING BOC

[jaunty dawn]

skaven battletome will be one of the first

maybe even theyll do an event like for tyranids/marines

[tired cairn]

That's more bizarre then

[jaunty dawn]

at least theyre giving a year warning on boc and bonesplitters

[south axle]

They are doing something, as most of the #NewAoS posts have a Skaven or Stormcast choice at the bottom

[jaunty dawn]

it basically seems like theyre saying that skaven are being rebooted

for aos

[bright dove]

Which is fair.

I am... Actually rather mad that BoC are getting axed.

I had planned out my model buying and everything already!

[tired cairn]

That's fine, but why imply some will be refreshed lol

Unless it's like, "yeah maybe in a few editions" lol

[south axle]

I just hope they don't go with '90s look of the Chief in the video, cuz that horn he has just looks goofy and out of place

[jaunty dawn]

I presume partially its because warcom was just given the list of miniatures that are no longer gonna be sold

not spoiled on all releases for the launch box and post-launch

[tired cairn]

Oh, that makes sense

But seems shortsighted lol

[jaunty dawn]

it think it's reasonably possible that pretty much everything skaven is losing gets refreshed tbh

like rat swarms might go completely ofc

[south axle]

They already gave us new Giant Rats in resin

$58 for 3 rats

[jaunty dawn]

the plaguepack has a giant rat

so there'll be that at least

wait aventis firestrike going is Weird if he doesn't get a refresh

he's part of like the posterboy faction for CoS

[pastel rampart]

https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1775856419578724382 Lotta upset people in the comments over their armies being invalidated which, hate to be that way, but: "first time?"

Warhammer Official (@warhammer) on X

Some well-loved miniatures will be leaving the Warhammer Age of Sigmar range.

See which kits are affected. https://t.co/u09VuVgaF6

#WarhammerCommunity #NewAoS

Twitter · Apr 4, 2024, 12:02 PM

[jaunty dawn]

sarcrosant stormcast is probably the quickest an army has been squatted though

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, that one I'm shocked at.

Like bro those models are...maybe 5 years old? 6? C'mon.

[desert jay]

Sarcrosant is like the 2nd wave of Stormcasts, right?

[jaunty dawn]

yup

the wizard chamber

and everything that wasn't a wizard still had magical flavour

soul wars was announced 2018

[spice flicker]

I knew skaven were getting a refresh but i'm surprised at the number of models affected. With the arch warlock being squatted here is to hoping we get ikrit as a model or just a refresh of the arch warlock.

Me and a friend are mostly interested in the death factions and I don't know if I should be happy or not that they did get touched at all.

[jaunty dawn]

I think something that's notable with skaven is that it's verminus and skryre, which we know are gonna have a fairly big presence in the launch box, and pestilens and eshin, the two clans that got underworlds warbands that preview their refreshed design

[desert jay]

No no, they got touched! Mistweaver Saih is going

[jaunty dawn]

mistweaver saih is an order person lol

[desert jay]

Oh whoops

[jaunty dawn]

and has also Been gone they're just also stopping selling her

old cursed city model

[desert jay]

That'll teach me to skim and jump to conclusions on reading "they hail from the Realm of Shadow"

[spice flicker]

Death dodging all the bullets and avoiding anything being squatted is a surprise.

[jaunty dawn]

order kinda monopolise all the realms

as do chaos

[spice flicker]

I wonder if the loss of the beasts of chaos was partially a result of the rivalry I hear that the AOS and OW teams have behind the scenes.

[jaunty dawn]

but tbf its mostly a case of death got their big refreshes

soulblight and fec happened

[thin ibex]

yeah, its understandable to be upset, but also what did they want? A guarantee that their army specifically will always be around as it exists with no changes?

[junior robin]

man, what is it with GW killing 100% of my armies, first world eaters and now skaven 😭

[spice flicker]

We all know GW has a grudge against all named Wortcov (jk)

[bright dove]

I am upset about BoC because I had bought the rules and planned out an army to 2k

[spice flicker]

Come join us over in death where we have no dead factions (if you ignore the fact we have no living units)

[bright dove]

I have a friend who's also mad about the BoC models disappearing because they were some of the best kitbash models

[spice flicker]

I guess this all but confirms that 40k will never have its own version of BoC. I do wonder how the drive to make sure AOS and OW stays separate from one another will affect chaos daemons?

[bright dove]

It had better not

[pastel rampart]

I mean...yeah? At least for the models that came out 6 years ago. And BoC have been an army in warhammer for decades and now they're getting booted to TOW, which means rebasing everything.

This isn't the first time GW has pulled this bullshittery and for a bunch of us in here it's old hat, but there's a lot of new people in the hobby who were not around for whole armies getting squatted and this is their first time experiencing the GW Promise™️.

[jaunty dawn]

daemons aren't a mainline faction in old world for basically this reason

[jaunty dawn]

they'll be back...one dayyyy...

(when the tow release cycle gets to them)

[spice flicker]

Kinda losing hype for OW at this point tbh

[jaunty dawn]

the cards are pretty much on the table at this point

[spice flicker]

Bretonnia is pretty much the only old world faction that has my eye but the weird bitter divorce going on between OW, AOS, and CA (remember the Cathay and kislev promise walkback GW did) has me weary about the whole endeavor.

[jaunty dawn]

I mean brettonnia is fully out

[spice flicker]

Oh I know

But that's the only thing about OW I kinda like. Thr rest not so much at this point.

[jaunty dawn]

mm

honestly I don't really get a bitter or rivalry based vibe from aos/tow

its not like aos hadn't been neglecting BoC this whole time

[spice flicker]

And regarding Bretonnia now that they are purely a OW faction that kills off the potential for a bretonnia inspired faction in AOS (not counting fec)

[jaunty dawn]

if anything being able to get it off their plate without losing relative continuity for the models n such is probably a relief

and one of the reasons tow managed to get corporate support at all maybe

since the vibe I got from the last stream is that TOW is basically just 3 guys happy they're being paid to make whfb a thing again lol

[thin ibex]

honestly i think tow got corporate support at least in part because of total war's popularity, but also yeah, making existing product sellable is big too

[jaunty dawn]

oh definitely

[spice flicker]

They're (TOW) also kinda written into a corner since they can't really introduce new factions or groups without explaining how they vanished between TOW and End times. Always a bit of a problem when you continue a story's setting in the past.

[jaunty dawn]

I mean

[spice flicker]

But yeah no AOS Bretonnia is my biggest gripe at the moment.

[jaunty dawn]

I think introducing new factions is more of a problem with the amount of resources they have than anything to do with lore

see the pivot away from kislev and cathay

like releasing old minis might not have even been on the table when that was the direction of development

[thin ibex]

kinda surprised brettonia didnt just get folded into cities of sigmar

and then make a cavalry city

like brettonian knights just all become steelhelm cav or whatevr

[jaunty dawn]

I mean at least now the models to do that are available

[spice flicker]

Honestly if nighthaunt had more cavalry than just hexwraiths I'd consider doing a bretonnia inspired nighthaunt army or I might do A SBGL cavalry army made to look like bretonnians.

[thin ibex]

"this is the cavalry city, the entire city is mounted on the back of a giant mechanical horse"

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think anyone is really gonna mind going against a cos army where the freeguild cavalry is brettonia models

but in general cos is moving away from being a place to dump models

[thin ibex]

thats fair

[jaunty dawn]

especially since now tow exists

[thin ibex]

getting their own identity is good

oh question, what does BoC stand for?

beasts?

[jaunty dawn]

ye

[thin ibex]

ahh kk

yeah i can see why folks are upset

though i do think that like... i dunno if gw is obligated or whatever to make people's models relevant in perpetuity

[jaunty dawn]

in general though there's literally no good way to announce 'corporate bureaucracy has decided these SKUs are no longer viable in their current form' and guaranteeing full 'competitive' rules support through to next summer is a lot better than the zero transparency that 40k got

oh

chimera isn't on the BoC list

hope that means it's just gonna be a native model for StD now

[still warren]

But also 5 years and a mini range that was the face of 2e is incredibly shitty to just can

Like I do hope people are mad, five years is basically nothing for the time scale of gw

[jaunty dawn]

it's literally like if every single phobos model was removed

for no apparent reason

[tepid stratus]

It sucks but at least I doubt anyone would complain about the models being used as liberators or judicators

[jaunty dawn]

yes that is true but

it's kinda like

if thousand sons got removed

[tepid stratus]

Definitely reeks of GW axing and condensing for the sake of production space

[jaunty dawn]

you could use rubrics as legionaries yeah

but like

they wouldn't be wizard infantry anymore

(ignore that 10e psychic makes this kinda a meh argument haha)

[tepid stratus]

Well that's maybe not the best comparison since rubrics are still a unit in CSM

[jaunty dawn]

this is a hypothetical situation where thousand sons have just been memory holed

[tepid stratus]

Scarabs would be a better comparison

[jaunty dawn]

would it make logical sense for them to do that? no, but then neither does this (removing sacrosant) either so

but also changing it to scarabs -> chaos termis doesn't really change the argument at all

[tepid stratus]

I can kinda see the argument that it's condensing warscrolls like 40k did but sequitors have way more identity from liberators than space Marines various jump troopers had from eachother

[jaunty dawn]

and while new jump pack marines don't replace everything they used to do they are like

actual refreshes of the concept

I think it's also another way it's weird is mechanically thunderstrike stormcast are just straight up less tough

like there was a downside to making armour that fixed the belakor storm problem

and sequitors identity is in being the Tough battline

cause they have magic shields

[tepid stratus]

I thought they where supposed to be the flexible option with the empower weapons or shields choice?

[jaunty dawn]

they did have flexibility

but like

empowered shields sequitors were the toughest

so the flexibility was more in giving up durability for extra fight

than in being a flexible option between two specialised extremes

[tepid stratus]

I mean which maths out better? The 4+ 5+ or the flat 3+?

[jaunty dawn]

must've misremembered, thought sequitors were 3+ base

but ward has a lot of utility and I think before ap/buffs they're equivalent

liberators save a third of wounds that sequitors don't before ward, and then the 5+ is a 33%

[tepid stratus]

Well liberators are more the discount option being a 4+ with native +1 to save. Vindictors are more comparable for cost having a native 3+ save that can go down to a 2+

Also just noticed aventis is specifically named but not his generic version. Maybe he's only getting cut from stormcast and is getting a bespoke mini for cities?

[jaunty dawn]

they already setup him dying so

quite possibly

[unreal cosmos]

I wonder if they're going to redo the weird crossbow guys, I always thought they looked awkward

Like just too close to being Ground Marines

[floral herald]

Yeah the Sigmarine accusations actually sort of landed with those fellas

[jaunty dawn]

I like the sacrosant crossbows which shoot potion bombs

not so much a fan of the judicators in general though

[tired cairn]

Weren't the crossbows also called something like storm bolters?

Which was so on the nose that I assumed GW was trolling people

[past sphinx]

hurricane bows

[tired cairn]

Boltstorm crossbows

[thin ibex]

just need crossbolters for 40k. I think SoB had them but arent called those

[runic swallow]

I think it’s been an option for inquisitors a few times, usually as an anti-psyker weapon

[south axle]

Inquisitor Greyfax has crossbow thing on her bolter

[floral herald]

It's a condemnor boltgun

Which I guess implies that the special crossbow is a condemnor but I don't think its even been released as a standalone weapon

[desert jay]

Sisters also had it as a weapon option, though in 10e I think it's Canoness only

Oh nope, Battle Sisters, Dominions and Retributors all still have it

[jaunty dawn]

standalone condemnor crossbow exists in novitiates

[floral herald]

oh neat

the magazine threw me off

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think it has rules in 40k anymore

in novitiates I mean

[past sphinx]

i fuckin love condemnors

goofy as hell

[jaunty dawn]

it makes sense since the combi weapon version used to be one shot like all combi weapons

iirc

it was called a stake-crossbow back then

but yeah it's on the retributor sprue and the standard sisters one used for the other infantry units

oh wait

not on the retributor sprue

they just have regular combi weapons

guess they just didn't care to restrict that

I guess partially since a sister superior from any squad is pretty much interchangable

[desert jay]

I am kinda sad that they knocked off units like Novitiates and Conscripts. Not that it matters much tho when I don't collect

[floral herald]

Novitiates are still around - they just don't have rules for the crossbow in 40k

They're one of those bespoke kill teams you can use in 40k

[desert jay]

Oh wait yeah they do

For some reason expected them to have battleline

Hah, they even have a objective marker rule like most battleline units

[jaunty dawn]

battleline has some weird ones

not that I think novitiates necessarily need it

it's like how kroot now have the battleline stats (namely, oc 2) without being battleline other than in their detachment

[south axle]

Battleline is more that you can have more than 3 of them tho, right?

[jaunty dawn]

that's all it does yeah

explicitly anyway

implicitly there's a kinda troop archetype which has oc 2 and is usually battleline

[thin ibex]

novitiates are still a unit iirc

[desert jay]

Generally yeah, though a few unit special rules use it as a condition

[thin ibex]

at least last time i made a list for sob, i used em and they werent listed as legends

oh cyan already said

[jaunty dawn]

mm some specific factions use it like that yeah

namely admech

gsc also use it for certain double leader stuff and for kelermorphs

[desert jay]

I think GSC army rule too

[jaunty dawn]

ye

I would not be surprised if the implication of this is just that they were written by the same person haha

[desert jay]

Core tag is dead, long live Battleline tag

[jaunty dawn]

ngl I already forgot core was a thing skgjdff

[thin ibex]

I haven finished my tau and I want to pick up votann lol

The combat patrol seems lacking in terms of like... a comprehensive basic army to me, but it only really needs a couple sagitaurs to make it there

A big hekaton would be fun but I feel not entirely essential

[jaunty dawn]

any particular direction you're interested in

[spice flicker]

I would rather not acknowledge the existence of Tzaangors but I did include a couple in the following list. How does it look for a 1k crusade list?

Thousand sons
990/1000 points
9 cabal points

Exalted sorcerer, warlord
Sorcerer
Tzaangor Shaman

3x5 rubrics with bolters and soulreaper cannons
2x5 rubrics with flamers

1x3 tzaangor Exalted, with greatbows
1x mutalith vortex beast.

It's lacking in anti-armor besides the MVB but armor is a big weakness of 1k sons anyway. What are your thoughts?

[brittle salmon]

I feel like you're going to be rolled up by anyone who has a significant degree of armour, yeah

[thin ibex]

a friend of mine bought me a squad of zerkers, so id probably be playing a somewhat aggressive stanced votann army

[thin ibex]

I figure you're relying on LoS, objective control, and magic to mitigate your lack of AT on the board, since at 1k if someone goes ham on armor, they lose presence on the board, and you have magic that deals MW that can sort of bridge the gap a little. You do need to somewhat play cagey to not get shot to pieces

but also your shooting is halfway decent

the mvb will either get targeted down often, get avoided, or itll be your mvp for a lot of combats

[thin ibex]

But I think overall i do want to play heavily mechanized votann, i vibe with the nomad vibe for them, with like the hekaton also being a mobile command center

so in the future im gonna ge the jaegers

and i want to try and ensure nothing footslogs in a final list if possible

[spice flicker]

Should I swap out two rubric squads for some scarabs?

[pulsar cairn]

ya know

you would think the emperor's children would like to wear skin as much as the night lords do

so far i only seen fabulous bill and the tongue guy wearing it

even then i dont think tongue guy counts

[spice flicker]

They're more degenerates than psychopaths I think.

[jaunty dawn]

lucius?

[past sphinx]

god hes old

[jaunty dawn]

cause I feel like between the two models that's like

100% of the examples of fully decked out emp child models haha

so I think it would be fair to say that they do wear skin

[spice flicker]

They just like to grind the innocent victims into drugs more than wear them as seen in the siege of terra books.

[jaunty dawn]

this guy is not much skin but uh

he has stuff going on

[runic swallow]

I think there’s a lot of stuff in books about them doing Weird Flesh Stuff

[solemn gull]

semi-related because we are on chaos space marines. I think death guard look too clean with a nice even green paintjob

[jaunty dawn]

oh I think the noise marine kit this chest piece is flayed skin?

[runic swallow]

Well yeah you gotta grime em up

[jaunty dawn]

stretched over the armour

plus one on the sword pad haha

[solemn gull]

I love the horus heresy scheme because it's a canvas to gross out

Thinking about starting a Black Crusade game focused around the politics of a bunch of different warbands working together to raid a astartes homeworld

would be cool to delve into the "the plan isn't working because everyone is trying to snub or murder each other instead of focusing on the goal"

because chaos worshippers are such team players

[runic swallow]

Tbh if your Black Crusade game isn’t doing that already you’re missing out

[solemn gull]

from what I heard most groups just play it as "Evil" Rogue trader

[sinful merlin]

Did they change the color of the zandri dust spray recently or something? Picked some up and it's a lot more green than the sand color I was expecting 😵‍💫

[wintry mist]

I made a character using apocrypha (big homebrew thing) for BC and they were born with a mutation that made them a horrific warp-robot

they ran an underhive fight club as a worshipper of khorne and I wanted to get a gaggle of hereteks to mod me the fuck out

character never came to fruition

[solemn gull]

what was the mutation?

[wintry mist]

it's been years

dont remember it

[jaunty dawn]

hmm

now that the greater brass scorpion is in heresy

I kinda feel like it would be a fun mini to have in legions imperialis/adeptus titanicus

tried to get a feel for its scale and its like

it would fit well on a warhound sized base in terms of footprint, and its tail is almost as tall as one

muuuuch more bottom heavy sillhouette ofc but it feels like it could be a good proxy?

[pastel rampart]

It would be kinda cool to see the more out-there chaos vehicles getting a presence in LI/AT

Like gimme the giant chaos wheel

[jaunty dawn]

... wait

I'd been using this picture as reference

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Death_Wheel yessss THIS stupid thing

[jaunty dawn]

and I just now realised that the poryphion also has a model in AT lol

I'd been comparing it to the abominant

[pastel rampart]

Also that's a damn sexy paint job on the scorpion

[jaunty dawn]

wasn't that one piece of vahtorr related dark mech art thing a wheel daemon

[pastel rampart]

Uuuuh maybe

[jaunty dawn]

need more wheels in general

[pastel rampart]

But wheels crop up in chaos imagery.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cauldron_of_Blood I wanna see a reimagining of this

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Reaper or THIS

[jaunty dawn]

https://9gag.com/gag/aBdR3o2

OC posted on 9Gag of all places

actually incredible

[pastel rampart]

I was about to say lmao

fucking 9gag

[jaunty dawn]

speaking of old epic superheavies

the original brass scorpion was sure something

[pastel rampart]

Peak performance

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/86/PlagueTower.jpg

plague tower still whips ass

[past sphinx]

now i just have to do 1 more Bike so i can have capt on bike and a full bike squad for 10th codex

maybe get an agamantus squad one day

[jaunty dawn]

ooh

nice!!

[uneven ember]

dope bikes

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this?

Grey Knights 1k

Brotherhood Librarian, warlord
Brotherhood Librarian

2x5 Brotherhood Terminators, narthecium, banner, psycannon
1x5 strike squad, psycannon

4x servitors, half heavy bolter half plasma cannons (someone has to watch home objective)

1x nemesis dreadknight, greatsword, heavy psycannon, heavy Incinerator

1000/1000 points

[pastel rampart]

What's the justification for the hb/pc split?

[spice flicker]

Indecisiveness and will likely commit to one or the other if I can determine which can serve the role better.

[past sphinx]

one can be overcharged one cannot

and the first ABC's of warhammer is Always Be overChargin

[spice flicker]

So besides switching the servitors to pure plasma cannon how is the list?

[past sphinx]

for 1k id almost swap the knight for terminators

harder to focus fire and they can hide behind things

[upper canopy]

this is still the funniest space marine moment I've seen

[topaz elk]

It’s so funny

[runic swallow]

I’m pretty sure that’s a reference to a story I’ve heard of a similar exchange that happened in the Falklands war, though I don’t know if that’s a true story or one of those “everyone says it happened to a guy in a war their country fought”

[spice flicker]

Just because I never seen anyone use them, swap the tactical Marines for more centurions.

[thin ibex]

Honestly, unless they brought a lot of good infantry clearing firepower or melee, I think it could work

Legendary storm of bolts

The way of the space marines

[graceful hollow]

Lil horus

Reminds me that i need to finish reading the trilogy

[south axle]

Love his silly little tusks

[jaunty dawn]

csm tusks are peak

[solemn gull]

also his sword looks genuinely sharp

pretty cool

[spice flicker]

Any tips for building a SBGL list focused around blood knights and Black knights? Thinking of trying to brainstorm a sort of Soulblight Bretonnia list for AOS and was curious what you guys might suggest considering?

[spice flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/t2-terminator-say-thats-a-nice-bike-gif-14987698

[pulsar cairn]

Shoulder pad as well

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/kill-team-downloads/

didnt realise scouts and blades of khaine are public here

[spice flicker]

So there will only be 4 dlc left for total war warhammer 3.

My dream dlc for total war warhammer 3 would be one that gives us Nagash with reworked Undead as well as one that gives us thanquol and maybe access to verminlords as LH or regular units like the chaos greater daemons. With how much the skaven has screwed over Nagash in the past (responisble for sword that killed him, century long war over nagashizzar's warp meteor, nuking of black pyramid, etc.) I could actually see them do an undead rework vs skaven dlc if the former faction doesn't get a dlc just for itself. Maybe give us Neferata (and maybe the Red Duke who has been waiting since TW1) as additional LL for the undead and Skreech Verminking as an additional LL or LH to go along with the dlc (if skaven get verminlords that is) and I think it might just work out great. At least that's what I'd want if I could choose one of the last remaining DLC.

[storm schooner]

Nagash being an actual Lord would make the Tomb Lords really weird

[spice flicker]

Care to elaborate?

[storm schooner]

No Khemri but all of them

The whole thing of the Tomb Lords is that they're set up around liike Nagash being not around

and there's Arkhan the Black who's a lot of lore tied up with Nagash being like sealed in a Pyramid

[pastel rampart]

It could be a Nagash that isn't End Times Nagash, he's cropped up here and there before then.

A weakened shade of the real Nagash is entirely plausible.

[spice flicker]

Well we could have the Legion of Nagash be a faction that is a sort of hybrid of TK, and VC with Arkhan being moved under his faction's banner instead of just being a TK.

This is all just wishful thinking though.

[thin ibex]

I want a War Dogs/Tilea DLC i think

[floral herald]

Huh must be a new thing

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/05/the-anatomy-of-a-warscroll-in-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-age-of-sigmar/

[jaunty dawn]

oh damn

bravery replaced with an oc stat

which liberators are apparently surprisingly bad at outside their territory sdf

[tired cairn]

Liberators are bad at liberating

What did bravery do before?

[south axle]

More like Defenders

[jaunty dawn]

battleshock

worked like 8th ed

d6+models lost that turn and lose one model per difference between bravery and the result

plus some incidental use by spells n such

[tired cairn]

Very strange they got rid of the morale stat

[pastel rampart]

Still keeping the to-wound roll too.

GW you had one job.

[tired cairn]

They probably can't make the math work otherwise lol

[jaunty dawn]

it's just 2d6

formatted in such a way you can roll a billion of them

[pastel rampart]

They could cut out the to-wound and just have hit = damage and it'd be fine.

[jaunty dawn]

I mean

[tired cairn]

Are there unit abilities that interact with them?

[jaunty dawn]

it would reduce the amount of options for how effective you can make a unit

and reduce the number of ways you can have stuff interact with buffs and penalties yeah

like if they also replaced dee sixes with d12 it would be fine

[tired cairn]

D36

Having people roll a bunch of d12s would be pretty funny

[pastel rampart]

D66, as Mordheim intended

[jaunty dawn]

what I wanna know is

why is save green

like why is it green for

both nagash and liberators are green so I don't think it's like some universal shield rule that's being obscured

seemingly liberators are just aesthetic whether you give them dual weapons or shields

nagash has the Wizard (9) special rule and his degrading passive mentions his power level being reduced

so I guess that's a thing

which if power level is how many spells a wizard gets to cast per turn

that means nagash has one more spell per turn than he used to haha

(at full health)

and then at 10 damage taken old and new both degrade to 6, and then new one doensn't degrade any further than that

and one of his unique spells (hand of dust) has gone from being spell to a (monsterous) rampage

so he's like effectively casting 10 spells

wish they'd learned from the revised 40k datasheets and put the ward next to save like they do now with inv saves

just looks better

in general though they've compressed his sheet quite well considering he hasn't really lost much

lost his mass heal, but the revive is now guaranteed every time, and lost the ward aura

and his companion weapons

a lot of which is also achieved because the usrs take up so much less space

oh wait no his heal got folded into his signature spell cause it's basically his old signature spell, his aoe heal, and his ward aura combined

which I guess explains why he gets more spells now

[tired cairn]

How do rampages work?

[past sphinx]

Well you start with the sound track and get a shaky camera

[jaunty dawn]

currently

monsterous rampages are a thing that any monster can do at the end of the charge phase

there's four* universal ones and then some monsters or monster focused factions have their own unique ones

all of them are unrepeatable in a turn

uh and both players' monsters do them every turn

for next edition we can see that nagash's hand of dust rampage is at the end of the entire turn but I think that might just be adjustable now or something?

the universal rampages are;
roar which allows you to negate command abilities on a unit near the monster
stomp which allows a monster to a chunk of mortal wounds to a non monster
smash to rubble which removes a terrain feature's special rules; faction terrain becomes normal terrain, garrisonable terrain can no longer be occupied
Titanic duel which gives +1 to hit against a specific monster you're in melee with

most of these require various rolls so they're not entirely deterministic

[junior robin]

was thinking about how to give a dreadnought sized axe to my SW looted dreadknight and I now realised that the SW dread comes with one

[jaunty dawn]

yeah!!

[pastel rampart]

I was gonna say that the obvious choice is an action figure axe, preferably the goofiest one you can find.

and/or a McFarlane toy axe.

[upper canopy]

You could also probably buy a bit axe from like

a bloodthirster or something

[junior robin]

might have space for another dread, so could just get the sw one.

though parts of me wants to skip the axe and go wild with a quadrupedal werewolf sprint pose

[jaunty dawn]

statted up the Great Brass Scorpion for LI

points cost is from the knight acastus

it's basically a like

gallant in combat

but with better ranged weapons while not really reaching the level of a dedicated shooty knight

I'm not sure exactly how you would take it detachment slots wise though haha

I think the thunderhawk is the most expensive thing you can take currently in a main faction?

and that's only 150 pts

[pastel rampart]

https://twitter.com/BitsHammer/status/1776389749269495815

Bits 🏳️‍🌈 (@BitsHammer) on X

No Horus can't justify dropping an Exterminatus on Istvaan III by yelling "vibe check"

Twitter · Apr 5, 2024, 11:21 PM

[uneven ember]

There is no justification required for success, and none permitted for failure.

[mental birch]

Looool

[spice flicker]

So I did a test game on tts last night between two of my 1k test/crusade forces and idk if it was just lucky rolls or something about the force composition but the tau list countered the death guard list quite a bit.

Also I will admit the death guard list could probably be better but the game was essentially set by the end of tau turn two.

Ion accelerator riptides (the list had a pair of them) tore through plague Marines, blighthauler, and Blightlord Terminators quite well (more failed 4++ saves than I care to admit) and the broadside duo just barely took the plagueburst crawler down from full health to 0 wounds in a single turn. The death guard did obliterate the infantry (only strike team with ethereal warlord was lone infantry squad remaining) for the most part thanks to melee and shooting as well as dropped a riptide down to 4 wounds remaining though.

When I declared the match as over (and totally not because it was nearly 1 am and I was tired from a full day), DG had about 3/5ths of a 10 man brick of plague marines supported by a plague surgeon+foul blightspawn holding the center objective, a single blightlord terminator escorting a lord of Virulence in the tau backfield ready to challenge tau home objective if not shot off the field first, and an untouched 5 man squad of plague Marines holding DG home objective. Tau had a nearly destroyed riptide, two healthy broadsides, a nearly untouched riptide, full squad of strike team+Ethereal, and a lone Cadre fireblade with 2 wounds remaining.

Feel like the tau list is fine for the most part but definitely need to look at the DG list again and see what could be changed to improve it.

[spice flicker]

For reference and context:

Tau list (Kauyon)
1000/1000 points

Ethereal, warlord, 2x gun drones
Cadre fireblade, 2x gun drones

2x10 strike teams, guardian drone+marker drone

2x3 and 1x6 Stealth suits, fusion blaster on leader, 2x gun drones each

2x broadsides with heavy rail rifle, sms and missile drones
2x riptides with missile drones and ion accelerator.

Death guard
1000/1000 points

Foul blightspawn
Plague surgeon
Lord of Virulence, warlord

2x5 plague Marines, 3x heavy plague weapons, leader has plasma pistol, plague spewer, and plague belcher
1x10 plague marines, 4x heavy plague weapons, leader has plasma pistol, 2x blight launcher, 2x plague spewer, and 2x plague belcher

1x5 blightlord terminators, 1 flail, 1 reaper autocannon, 1 plague spewer, and 2 plague combi-bolters

1x blighthauler
1x plagueburst crawler

[thin ibex]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLStQLae/

[jaunty dawn]

ooooh

[pastel rampart]

Huh, wonder what STLs it used.

[thin ibex]

Apparently they provide more info via an email request

[pastel rampart]

How annoying of them.

[upper bluff]

Oh someone at my lgs had this

[zinc field]

Am I taking this whole magnetization thing a step too far?

[thin ibex]

too far is defined by your own patience

[upper canopy]

A step

Because you posted the legs

Heehahoo

[junior summit]

with the power of magnets anything is possible

I like to magnetise in two places to avoid the components pivoting around the magnet

[spice flicker]

What's the current best loadout for the stalker? Chaincannon+slaughterclaw or spear+chaintalon?

[soft willow]

Depends on what you want it for.

[zinc field]

The chaincannon has worked better for me in the past. Knights tend to have plenty of anti-tank options but lack really good horde clearers

[soft willow]

That's kinda the other half of it.

You tend to have fewer options for just dakka.

[thin ibex]

im a big fan of "gun for infantry, melee for big guys"

but the other way works too

[jaunty dawn]

oh like tacticus armour

got really confused when I saw no tactical squads haha

[thin ibex]

xD

[thin ibex]

I do feel like I should have more pyrovores (bile spewers)

But I think I have decent representation

No bio arty though

Not enough points

[tired cairn]

From Wrath and Glory:

I guess it isn't taking into account the light of a flame weapon lol

Wait it does. 🤷‍♂️

[brittle salmon]

I'm very glad they kept the Melta weapons being quiet thing

[junior summit]

how is a meltagun stealthier than a shout

they're quiet sure but they generate a giant flash

[tired cairn]

I don't think it handles light very well lol

[storm schooner]

What sound is a melta gun gonna make

it's not like there's a gun shot

[tired cairn]

The chart suggests a loud hiss

[storm schooner]

A cat hissing, what I assume powers a meltagun, is quieter than a human shouting

it checks out

[runic swallow]

Yeah but it also may cause a very loud sound on contact with air and/or the target I’d think

Since it’d be superheating it

[quaint compass]

It would be loud as hell, even if the firing process is quieter than a normal gunshot, because superheated air expands, and air in movement is the basis of sound

[floral herald]

Melta guns just make a little hiss

Unless the target cooks off or something

They also don’t produce much of a visible beam in some lore, which is sort of confusing

[wintry mist]

yeah melta guns would be incredibly loud from the expansion of superheated air

[quaint compass]

If lasguns crack because of the air heating around the laser beam, meltaguns have to be louder by magnitude

[valid brook]

Unless the heating is relatively gradual,

[tired cairn]

Melta guns are very underspecified, so they can make a little hiss, as a treat

[valid brook]

In which case you’d have to hold the melta on target for a while before you got the desired effect

[pastel rampart]

A mighty 2000pt list right there.

[uneven ember]

blingy bois

[sour sequoia]

Blackstone color test for my monolith

Think I nailed it

[pastel rampart]

Oh, hell yeah. Sponging?

[jaunty dawn]

ooohoh

definitely nailed it

[junior robin]

good news: dreadknight legs are quite easy to cut up and repose
bad news: misplaced the glue last time I cleaned the desk

[thin ibex]

something im surprised about is that fire warrior pulse carbines have no special rules

assault would have been traditional but i understand them being stingy with that

would be neat if it was like one str down but more shots or something

or more rapid fire than the rifle

[jaunty dawn]

yeah it's silly

they always used to be assault

and had pinning

but it feels like lowkey they just see pulse blasters as the new carbine and strike teams are just rifles

they do still have the niche that they're 2 shots at 16" to 20" over pulse rifle

but as the range of pulse weapons have inflated its like

that feels like a weird range band for carbines to excel in

uh they could also have a special rule that means you can grenade strat from a greater range

Actually

I don't understand them being stingy with assault, because they really haven't been

drone's carbines are assault

pulse blasters are assault

and assault doesn't even interact with their fire overwatch special rule

[thin ibex]

I understand it from a overarching perspective of having less things overall with assault in the faction list and in the game in general contributes to a goal of reduced lethality by ensuring not as many entities get efficient on-time in the shooting phase and have to more often choose between shooting and moving more

Instead of en mass considering advancing a given

[jaunty dawn]

I mean

they gave the actual strong gun assault though

and not the regular infantry weapon that is admittedly stronger than average

[thin ibex]

in the micro thats a valid criticism

honestly i would flip it, since the breacher synergises so well wit hthe devilfish anyway

but my alternative thought is give the pulse carbine rapid fire 1 as well, so its a 3 shot gun compared ot the pulse rifle's 2

[jaunty dawn]

yeah that's valid

it's just in my viewpoint where early editions did stats-as-worldbuilding

the carbine has historically had assault, it's never historically had 3 shots without fireblade buffs n such

but that's just my bias

[junior robin]

orks next weekend! (and custodes)

now to see how many units gets removed

[jaunty dawn]

regular kff mek is dying

I can feel it in my bones

[junior robin]

😭

only other resin are special characters and the tankbustas I think.

which you only can take in units of 5

and you are forced to take the pistols and the hammer.

[floral herald]

I hope we get another KFF mech

Such a fun design

[junior robin]

I got about 15 of them with no pistols or hammers

[uneven ember]

oh hey did we see that the Gate Crashers marines got featured in White Dward?

Or, I guess, are getting featured.
A whole series of pride flag scheme Marines that've been making the rounds on social for a minute

[junior robin]

saw it on twitter but I dont think anyone posted it here 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like the new big mek could've had a kff instead of shokkjump thing option

but also I think like

my big sad with kff mech going is that he's like

design wise he's a mek first

not a guy in a mech suit or a new angry guys in a different mech suit

or guy with giant gun

[junior robin]

basically just a nob with a engineering degree

product idea: ork clan sprue that gives head and weapon options for each plastic HQ to be upgraded to a named character from that clan.

[floral herald]

I actually really like the new big meks honestly

They feel more “ork HQ” now

[jaunty dawn]

I do like it as a model

Im just sad that it means we're losing a classic model without a replacement in the same vibe

[floral herald]

Yeah for sure

[jaunty dawn]

comparing it to stuff like painboss n that yeah

modern bosses are very boss

nobs are pretty wild too! just don't see it overly because the new ork boy kit is what it is

[uneven ember]

I just want a warboss like this dude

[jaunty dawn]

hm

how big are gutrippaz

could be cool to do a like 40k kruleboyz force that's a dreadmob

cause this head is quite kruleboysy

[unreal cosmos]

definitely

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/haultrukkz/status/1776960235338436925

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/CerberusXt/status/1776697766829326608

[floral herald]

Damn GW’s “rogue intern” doing full page spreads in white dwarf now huh

[pulsar cairn]

i like the toot lizard

[uneven ember]

Bo is being super normal about this btw

[floral herald]

I bet haha

[uneven ember]

Also between the Exalted Dragon Kings and the Warhammer lizard men I feel like this is one of those "I'd have two nickels" things.

(It's a cool as hell thing, incidentally, just weirdly specific)

[unreal cosmos]

I recently learned that GW doesn't offer internships lol. Always been skeptical of all variations of that meme.

[floral herald]

Oh yeah it’s nonsense

It’s cool to see some recognition for this stuff it’s really impressive painting

[wintry mist]

what's the rogue intern thing

[uneven ember]

Yeah the whole "intern" set-up really just isn't a thing in the UK
Never mind whether or not billion dollar companies that do employ interns give them free access to their PR channels rather than having several layers of oversight and review by professionals.

[wintry mist]

we do have interns

they're called apprenticeships

it's not quite the same but it is practically the same: low paid labour for the sake of experience and education

[uneven ember]

So a couple years(?) back GW released a statement on their Community website saying that a) 40K is a satire, b) there are no good guys in the setting and especially not the Imperium of Man, c) if you have a problem with Games Workshop taking steps to be more inclusive "you will not be missed."
The worst voices in the hobby spaces first tried to deny that warhammer community was an official channel, and then made up this whole backstory about how the post was the work of a rogue intern who was probably fired, based on nothing but wishful thinking and self-delusion.