Warhammer and Such

[naive abyss]

the empire of man is a less dogshit incompetently run imperium of man with a better god and even has multiple gods lol

in fact the biggest difference is gods are not just one non chaos and the rest are chaos

hell psykers are more or less a like narrowed down version of how magic works in fantasy

in that both derive themselves from eaches flavor of the chaos realm

https://vxtwitter.com/beardposting/status/1469250070914736130
https://vxtwitter.com/beardposting/status/1490045466414878721****

https://vxtwitter.com/beardposting/status/1462451649054752775

ngl i never realized old grommy had a blood bowl model. looks kick ass though lol

i hope that rumor engine is him finally getting a proper model in aos and they give him the wild mane/peak hair like this and/or total war design of him

[naive abyss]

random but does anyone know of a like goblin "equivalent" of the corpse pile gotrek has?

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/it8opy/my_iron_warriors_siege_lord_converted_from_tor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[pine matrix]

I'm imagining some dawi having the rightmost impression of Grombrindal and passing down legends of his hatred of elves that they should all emulate, then he actually shows up and is like "I didn't say any of that shit"

Feel like that'd cause a malfunction in the dorf brain

[naive abyss]

It depends on the period

Like he was able to chill out more in aos due to how he came back and his species not actively being under threat of extinction lol

[bright dove]

That is such an Iron Warriors bionic.

[tired cairn]

What is going on with those top three detachments?

[junior robin]

(leg seems to be the torsion cannon barrel from kataphron breachers if anyone is wondering)

[sweet solar]

i dunno, looking at all of them theres multiple that have overlapping actual winrates, not just the top three

[bright dove]

So looking at the Explorator Maniple, It seems to have really good objective control built in. Same case with the Assimilation Swarm, with the added benefit of regenerating units. The annhilation legion is just really good at killing things.

[naive abyss]

https://www.deviantart.com/dahmernation/art/Trans-Hyperian-Alliance-1032009005

[junior robin]

old world orcs preorder next weekend, which surely must mean they will show of another faction this week? 👀

[jaunty dawn]

ooh troll hag back on the menu

and the fw giant

I hope that means the awesome dragons they did come back too

[uneven ember]

oh i like these creatures

[jaunty dawn]

some of the last physically sculpted models I think?

under gw in general

[naive abyss]

https://fxtwitter.com/warhammer/status/1769438766949605445

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rats-the-rats-are-coming-the-rat-is-coming-cheese-gif-6284186146533419373

yes yes it is time time

[naive abyss]

i remember seeing these back in the day

[thin ibex]

i want to preorder kroot

but i do not want to spend that much money

[naive abyss]

few big monsters were always so gloriously scrungly

[thin ibex]

when i have real life costs to worry about lol

[naive abyss]

i mean you can probably wait its not like all that new kroot is gonna be like limited release lol

[jaunty dawn]

mm

and you can pick it up a little at a time

[naive abyss]

like the only time i truly get fomo reactions to gw releases is for limited run models

like i try to direct source those when i can when they are available if im interested in the model cuz otherwise ill end up paying out the ass for them

and some ill unfortunately be forced to try to second hand get like that cool crow knight for cos

[jaunty dawn]

him and the kroot just have me wishing it was easier to find out where they'll be

[naive abyss]

for me i just know none of the events are something i could attend lol

like i think the closest one itll be at is the las vegas tourney i imagine

huh theres actually some non horrific priced ebay listings for it

ah they are all bid based thats why

some potential leak info

keen on the idea of abraxia showing up as a model

[jaunty dawn]

abraxia?

[naive abyss]

shes sorta like the herald of archaon

[jaunty dawn]

oh wait Kurnoth!!???

[naive abyss]

yeah we may finally get non bug sylvaneth rep again

but abrexia is sorta like undivided chaos valkia in some ways

[jaunty dawn]

neat

just remembered this silly guy got announced

[bright dove]

Stunty

[floral herald]

lmao

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/17/foul-powers-fulminate-in-the-depths-of-the-mortal-realms/

another teaser video

[naive abyss]

yeah i posted the twee of the vid up thread a bit lol

also entirely unrelated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5EkU0Qk9A

gods i really would love a men of iron faction

cuz like the crons no longer fill that hole entirely and i feel itd be cool to have a truly machine only faction

honestly while it may cheapen nids i do sorta like the idea that if they wanted to go with the idea that the swarm is running from something i feel itd be cool to have it be the men of iron

like moi werent fully eradicated during the war vibes they just left to grow and return lol

[jaunty dawn]

my favourite thing about the men of iron is that the like big rebellion thing was mostly a men of iron vs men of iron war

[uneven ember]

big if true

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1bh0sxp/am_i_misreading_or_is_the_30k_imperium_already/

It's a fairly funny post pody as well

Like OP seems to get it fine but doesn't want to believe it?

I'm confused

[naive abyss]

i swear some people just cannot handle the idea of liking a faction of bad people lol

[upper canopy]

I mean some people get into this thinking the Imperium are genuinely the good guys because GW sucks at making it seem otherwise

[past sphinx]

Ah man secundus is probably gonna be weird

[upper canopy]

For every Garrot "Intro to the 41st Millenium" video there's "Marine AI voice singing 'I'm Still Standing' as he stabs Tyranids"

[jaunty dawn]

need to ask my dad how the whole plotline ended up

[naive abyss]

i mean tbh i dont think gw itself is that bad at it imo

like you dont have to visually scream something constantly for it to look evil

hell in some ways to me them putting marines in heroic poses/art feels more insidious and evil

also like theres always just gonna be people no matter what that just miss the fucking point

[proud wing]

this is an oft-overlooked point someone brought up in the comments

[naive abyss]

space caesar which is bad and very imperialism like instantly imo

[floral herald]

lmfao yeah

[naive abyss]

like just cuz the art isnt splattered in gore doesnt make it not represent the idea imo

[proud wing]

they're really making a second bespoke Genestealer kill team before the main Tyranids get any??

[upper canopy]

I mean yeah it does if you play tropes straight and have your guys posing heroically

then people will go "oh they're good guys"

also with 30k in particular

fucking the entire culture around Horus Heresy

[naive abyss]

i mean starship troopers also does that

like idk you dont have to have all the art be marines eating people to communicate the idea that the iom is bad imo

[upper canopy]

YEAH and modern Starship Troopers shit parrots it unironically and it fucking sucks

[uneven ember]

I've said before that I appreciate how if you go "hey the DEldar are a bunch of camp cartoon supervillains with a dope aesthetic" the DEldar fans will just be like "well ya"

[naive abyss]

should we get more art that isnt heroic of iom stuff? yes absolutely if only to further push the idea and get more variety in the art

[naive abyss]

yeah

same with like skaven

just for iom or like starship/helldivers allot of the whinging is chud heads who want to pretend they arent pieces of shit for agreeing with the evil authoritarian fuckhead humans

[uneven ember]

I do agree that GW has some big problems with just presenting the IoM as directly heroic
but I don't think it's possible to idiot-proof your satire to the level that fash will get the point

[raw vessel]

A 40k fan, stumbling upon the point of the setting, immediately begins to sand it down.

[floral herald]

Yeah it's not really possible in general, though I think GW could stand to depict space marines in a more villainous aesthetic

[jaunty dawn]

more marine art like the 9th ed sisters codex art

[naive abyss]

there should be more variety in how they are depicted for sure

like im very much here for give us more fucked up art

tbh i do also feel allot of this issue lays at the feet of how smurfs specifically are depicted

[upper canopy]

The problem is 30k in general tbh

[naive abyss]

cuz i think the templar codex does not feel overtly heroic imo

[bright dove]

God damn ultrasmurfs ruining it for the rest of us smh

[naive abyss]

this isnt the grungiest art ever but id hesitate to call it heroic

[floral herald]

I don't really think its an Ultramarines thing so much as a mainline space marines thing

[naive abyss]

i mean ngl thats sorta one and the same at least in terms of straight from gw art and marketing

[bright dove]

If the Smurfs weren't the mainline space marines, I'd agree.

[upper canopy]

The problem with 30k specifically is the writing and the culture around it is so staunchly Marine-centric that it specifically has lead to so much of the brainrot in the fandom. It trickles up to the "Emperor is the best dude ever" being a thing that even STAUNCHLY ANTI-EMPEROR people get it into their heads when they talk about it.

[bright dove]

I mean

[floral herald]

UMs literally carry space-fasces but its actually quite rare to get models for actual ultramarines not blue generic space marines

[bright dove]

I have never thought that the Emperor was the best dude.

[upper canopy]

People want "redeemed" traitor primarchs turning back into Loyalists even thought that's still super evil.

[bright dove]

In fact, my common lament is that the Emperor is a dumbass.

[upper canopy]

And not a redemption at all

[bright dove]

And also wishing he'd treat his kids better, but you can take my father issues from my cold dead hands

[naive abyss]

like this theoretically is heroically framed art for the DA but it doesnt feel all that heroic to me

[floral herald]

Yeah they're all pretty horrible anyway

[bright dove]

Angron is based, thank you.

[floral herald]

I think its sort of darkly funny that Angron got the best deal from Khorne

[bright dove]

Mr. "I'd like to kill my dad, that fucking tyrant"

[naive abyss]

like ill be real i feel its ultimately the smurfs are both more or less analogous to generic marines and they attract classicist brain rot energy in their depictions

[uneven ember]

Angron Did Nothing Wrong (relative to the rest of his family)

[proud wing]

ngl, building a galaxy-wide empire based on hateful discrimination and constant genocide is a good deal worse than being a bad father

[past sphinx]

The imperium literally has a fucming reichspegial on every fuckin surface I don't think people who don't get it really are

[naive abyss]

i mean yes but one is so large in its scope you cant emotionally latch over much to it

plenty of folks can immediately latch onto "shitty dad" lol

[upper canopy]

People aren't dumb if they just have a surface level touch with 40k and don't get the facist elements, especially with the community the way it is.

[bright dove]

Look, space marines look cool

And for the most part, that's what the interaction is going to be for casual fans.

[floral herald]

It's especially funny given that the primarchs aren't real people and are really quasi-supernatural bioengineered living weapons

Though the emperor was kind of a dick for making them with feelings like that

[uneven ember]

Also, there's a point-and-laugh element because "establish a galactic fascist empire" is evil but it's also really hard and he was doing it on purpose.
"Convince more than 50% of my sons to not dedicate their lives to murdering the shit out of me" should be a much more managable prospect and yet

[bright dove]

And some of the reasons they turned are just the smallest things.

I mean, nothing was ever going to stop Petty Perty from eventually blowing up.

[naive abyss]

ill forever be the person who find its utterly hilarious that the hyper intelligent immortal space wizard demigod was basically shown up in every sense by some bronze age barbarian king

sigmar to be clear

[bright dove]

But Lorgar and Magnus? That could have been salvaged.

[naive abyss]

and he actually uses a hammer unlike his fail idiot space counterpart lol

i feel there was a version of pertys story where he didnt turn

but it wouldve require emps to not have the emotional intelligence of a rock

[bright dove]

Mortarion and Fulgrim needed a push first.

[naive abyss]

angron no matter what i feel was gonna at least be a very hampered person

[bright dove]

Angron had no chance ever thanks to the Nails.

But, like.

It would have helped if Emps had saved his people.

[uneven ember]

You couldn't have stopped this? You couldn't have left me to die with them? You couldn't have given me this Legion yesterday, or leant it to me for a fucking afternoon?"
"I COULD HAVE, SURE."
"..."
*slurps from Galaxy's #1 Dad mug*```

[naive abyss]

emps deciding to like curb stomp him in every way he could think of definitely didnt help

[jaunty dawn]

I really don't think horus heresy happening had much of an effect on this issue tbh

[floral herald]

Absolutely not imo, perterabo's biggest character element is choosing the biggest asshole path at every fork in the road

[bright dove]

I call him Petty Perty for a reason.

He was going to crack in a big way no matter what.

Oh, speaking of Causes that didn't have to be lost

[jaunty dawn]

especially since the horus heresy pretty much just extrapolated from the ideas that were already there

[bright dove]

Kurze.

[naive abyss]

kurze is weird

[pine matrix]

Loyalist Pert would crack at the realisation that the Imperium cannot be salvaged

[jaunty dawn]

meaning 'horus heresy as a book series' that is

[bright dove]

Kurze is weird.

[naive abyss]

cuz like he sorta got the visions and decided to just instantly give up more or less

[pine matrix]

He'd be doing his equations and just be like "no, there's no chance of redemption"

[floral herald]

I think I'm lost - which issue is this?

[bright dove]

There was that brief moment he could have gotten the Emperor's help and understanding, but again, emotional intelligence of a rock.

[uneven ember]

I'm not sure if there's any textual support for this but I constantly picture a bitter rivalry between Basic Mall Goth Raven Raven vs Tryhard Edgelord Shock Rock Night Haunter

[jaunty dawn]

idk the imperium in general and whether it's presented as a good thing or whatever

[bright dove]

Oh god no, most of the time the text is "The Imperium is awful to live in"

[pine matrix]

Isn't there a bit where he sees two futures for a victim, one where he spares him and he becomes his friend and confident for the mercy, the other where he escapes Curze and becomes an even worse criminal lord and Cruze is like "well I guess I better kill him just to make sure"

[jaunty dawn]

I just straight up dont think much of anything has changed in the last 30 years haha

[naive abyss]

the big shift is in promotional art and etc the smurfs just began to unilaterally be the marine default

at least thats the biggest shift in terms of like pr imo

[floral herald]

Oh, for that in particular probably not a lot changed yeah. The HH series did change a lot of stuff by moving a lot of the early history of the setting out of a vague mythos and into a narrative where you have characters with interior POVs and such which I think changed the view of the primarchs and such

But not really the broader imperium

[naive abyss]

and with that the sorta like what ill call at least classicist brain rot adjacent way they are depicted as "very civilized carriers of the torch of civilization tm"

[jaunty dawn]

I think it like provided more colour to opinions but didn't really change the like. general views of the fandom

[bright dove]

HH shows the exact fail points where doing anything might have helped.

I mean

It made me like the Iron Warriors even more.

[naive abyss]

it basically created most of the white scars lore lol

[uneven ember]

I do feel like there has been a shift to less Blancian grossness and more prettyboy ubermenschen in the art

[naive abyss]

considering them and iron hands basically had none before

[jaunty dawn]

I mean in the sense of horus heresy having an effect on the setting that like

is different to anything else that would have explored something in a lot of detail

[naive abyss]

that more or less is hand in hand with the smurf prevalence to me

cuz most non smurfs arent that pretty usually in the art

at least imo

[bright dove]

Except for Blood Angels, who do have that as a hat.

[naive abyss]

not as like blanche or the like scrungly as they once were but yeah

yeah the BA def are that

but thats sorta a hat they always had

they always were the bishi vampire marines more or less after a certain point

[bright dove]

Yep!

[floral herald]

I think it changed stuff for the primarchs a lot since they went from pretty nebulously defined historical figures to characters but I agree generally.

Except that I do think that having "characters you think are cool" carries a lot of water for justifying their actions in general

[jaunty dawn]

like specifically I don't think the horus heresy series made the fandom more fascist or whatever it just added more things for you to be fascist or anti fascist about

[bright dove]

Angron makes the whole World Eaters story sadder in a way.

[naive abyss]

honestly in allot of ways i feelt he warhammer community is becoming healthier

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I definitely feel that overall

[naive abyss]

but that may be because i interact allot with the lgbtq+ non dogshit parts of it

[floral herald]

Like from a more objective POV Sanguinius is a horrible person, a mass murderous fascist warlord - but you're not gonna see a lot of 40k fans say Sangey was horrible

[bright dove]

Seeing Peter Turbo's moments of regret doesn't make him much better, but it's way more relatable.

[naive abyss]

ill also say i like HH DA lore

like a few first foundings benefited allot from HH lore imo

[uneven ember]

"DON'T JUDGE ME."```

[bright dove]

I mean

He made all of them able to do that.

It just really took to the Blood Angels.

[proud wing]

i think Alpharius(?) is the closest any of the primarchs get to being a decent person

since he's the only one who's not loyal to either the imperium or chaos

[bright dove]

Horus was also pretty decent to a point.

[proud wing]

and when he was an official primarch he just spent his time on terra instead of actively going around genociding other planets

[uneven ember]

I realize this isn't textual either but Dorn as Ron Swanson: Primarch is very funny to me

[naive abyss]

i mean id say the khan is probably the probably the one at least on a personal philosophy level fucked up. but im also very biased

[bright dove]

Look, there's a reason most of the loyalist primarchs just wind up fucking off after a certain point.

[naive abyss]

hes the only primarch that like actively wrestled with being a horrible bio engineered weapon

i think

[upper canopy]

Nope

Horus, Magnus, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Angron, and Perturabo also all did that at one point or another

[naive abyss]

fair. im not overly familiar with the arcs of all the primarchs in HH ill fully grant.

[bright dove]

Angron hated his role as a Primarch.

Became the galaxy's angriest man because he was unilaterally forced into shit he despised.

[upper canopy]

Angron knew what he was with more clarity than anyone else ever, but simply accepted that he could never change.

[jaunty dawn]

corvus iirc

[upper canopy]

Corvus thought about it ONCE and then went "Oh, can't have that" and then never did again

[jaunty dawn]

classic

[naive abyss]

i feel khan is pretty up there with it

cuz he never really stopped thinking about it

and often spoke out about the shit emps did to some degree or another

hell his arc more or less ends with him going "i cannot change that im a fucked up weapon but ill use that to at least try to save some people" and that was during the siege. like he was ultimately still a horrible violent conquerer like the rest but he at least on a personal level thought on it allot.

[upper canopy]

I think the only one who actually really internalized it is Gullieman in 40k

The Lion hasn't had the chance to sit down and think about it

[bright dove]

Petty Perty baically accepted his weaponhood into his math.

It's the job.

[upper canopy]

Perty hated that he was a weapon every second of every day

He literally just wanted to be an architecht and play chess and talk philosophy

that's all he ever wanted

[bright dove]

Oh god, that makes things even sadder when you have the Custodes to contrast with.

And boy does that make the Dorn thing sting even more.

"Come back and design my palace"

And it goes to Dorn

[upper canopy]

Imagine being forced to do a thing you hate in the most thankless way ever and being uplifted to demigodhood for doing the thing you hate so much and you aren't even considered the best at it.

[bright dove]

And you specifically never get anyone who wants to work with you. You're a punishment detail.

Once again, Petty Perty was going to crack no matter what.

[uneven ember]

There is a combination of a) he did legit get a raw deal from his dad and the rest of his family but b) "nobody wants to spend time with me I'm definitely not gonna wonder why that would be"

[floral herald]

I like the theory that Perterabo wound up Like That because his supernatural primarch power was basically weakness-vision

[upper canopy]

Listen man I know what it's like to have like 3 special interests but literally no one around you remotely wants to talk about it

I've been to high school

[floral herald]

So he just spent his entire like with a supernatural capacity to see the worst in everyone and everything around you

[bright dove]

Including himself.

[past sphinx]

I'd like to think that the khan would've turned in time

In a Gilligan in the dornian heresy sort of way

[naive abyss]

i dont think hed have really fought in the civil war if it was a time thing

hed probably have fucked off

[bright dove]

Yeah, disillusion would have hit him first.

[thin ibex]

i think leman, early on, was faced with the conflict of what he was, and on some level chose to embrace/embody it

to be an executioners axe

[bright dove]

Vulkan ultimately chose to make something else of himself, even if he will still gladly burn some eldar babies.

[uneven ember]

I think Leman realized what he was, decided it was awesome, then chugged a keg of beer and crushed it on his forehead.

[thin ibex]

i tend to think leman was more cerebral than he generally presented

to the world

it was useful and expedious to be seen as less discerning and intelligent than he actually was

[past sphinx]

Barbarism in technique not in mind

[uneven ember]

Well, a lot of the classical "barbarian" heroes are a lot smarter than they're often credited for.
The OG Conan included.

[upper canopy]

Conan was more of a thief than a barbarian

[brittle salmon]

The top three have very small player counts, in the single digits, so the data is comparitively skewed

Canoptek Court has around 239 by comparison, which pretty firmly cements its place at the actual apex of the win rates

[ebon forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/606570785959575581/1219043872928436254/image.png?ex=6609de14&is=65f76914&hm=841c3fbb8b6bc9bc6f6b7137d20f30223ca2dfe633d2299808af00dccb1f4572& is this too much for here?

[wintry mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvdOrRKt_2w

kind of cool

mw3 sucks

but they are cool

the 40k bundles are pay to lose

the riotshield skin has red glass that reflects the sun like nobody's business

[pastel rampart]

Almost done.

[naive abyss]

realized recently that im at a point in prefs that im vibing way more with bloodbowl in terms of tone and etc. also that itd be a fun thing to maybe try to get my cule into as a silly fun thing to do

that in mind did some color edits of some of the dorf team stuff to see how best to transfer my homebrew colors. calling them "The Badhbhar Blitzers" lol

i think they look pretty good and ngl i love the bloodbowl grombrindal model

its hilarious blood bowl has the best grommy model atm

as well as the beste rat ogre and minotaur atm lol

and with theses two you ccan just use them not for blood bowl too which is extra funny

like they almost entirely lack anything overtly indicating them as sports players lol

[topaz elk]

Honestly that minotaur can be used in AOS with like, minimal changes

[topaz elk]

Oh you literally can

[naive abyss]

i mean tbh both of these could be used basically with no changes

like i looked at the 3d rotation of both

the closest either gets to being sports ball is the rat ogres flail is vaguely football shaped

back shots of the minotaur

like this fucker basically has no overt sports ball design work lol

[bright dove]

Doombull sighted.

[naive abyss]

same with the rat ogre too

like bloodbowl just casually has probably the best officially sculpted any system use rat ogre and minotaur lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3gThZ5jxmE

[solemn gull]

Common Bloodbowl W praise Nuffle

[sweet solar]

goku dwarf

[thin ibex]

Hmm someone hit me with tonight's army theme

[jaunty dawn]

uhh

Eldar Rangers

[thin ibex]

Hmm someone hit me with tonight's army theme

Got it

[jaunty dawn]

nice!

[thin ibex]

I think it's exceptionally fragile, but it can make a real nice shooting phase

And real good at removing enemy commanders

[jaunty dawn]

rangers are so cool

[thin ibex]

Honestly they seem like good units too

3+ and heavy?

D2, str 4? Bona-fide space marine killers

[jaunty dawn]

nightspear seems clutch too

granting lone op to unit

amallyn from legends is pretty cool as well, lone operative with a redeploy

[thin ibex]

Oh neat

[thin ibex]

If I played aeldari I would always bring the avatar tbh

I'm actually super glad he's a brick shit house and actually legitimately scary

[proud wing]

avatar of khaine is just the warhammer equivalent of Worf

[thin ibex]

As a model atm

[proud wing]

officially very strong

but loses literally 100% of canon battles they're in

[thin ibex]

Historically avatars of khaine and bloodthirsters have been the worfs

[proud wing]

ok well i'm not being fair to worf

[thin ibex]

In the table though, in the now, they're exceptionally dangerous

[proud wing]

there was that time he beat the holodeck training program on easy mode

throughout the dozen seasons of television he was on

[thin ibex]

Avatar pretty much takes on every other biggest customers on other factions on fairly healthily

I think he wins most face offs

Only down side is that if it's crusade, avatar gains no xp

[uneven ember]

I feel like if I were in charge of GW I'd just make a "the Avatar of Khaine doesn't get to job for like five years" policy.

[thin ibex]

Tbf, again on the table, he kicks a whole lot of ass

Wholly just an unholy beatstick

Dummy thicc and hits like a truck

Only 14 wounds, but buried under T12, 2+, 4++, and all damage is halved coming in

[spice flicker]

He's cheaper than most knights and can solo most of them as well

[thin ibex]

There's nothing in the game, I think, that confidently wants to go second in the fight phase against the avatar

[rocky shale]

Plus it has very strong overwatch with sustained hits d3

[naive abyss]

found a good image to do another image kitbash attempt with for napoleonic solars lol

[rocky shale]

You can overwatch, use a fate die for a 6 and get 1+d3 hits with a weapon stronger than a bright lance.

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/MediocreHobbies/status/1765729392687202646

source for image btw

[uneven ember]

heh, I like it

[naive abyss]

yeah solars are definitely an easy thing to make the napoleonic thing work

honestly theyre now competing with cadians (for convenience of unit access) and krieg for what i want to use as the base for my regiment lol

if the rumored krieg model wave is like very comprehensive itll likely be them though

cuz like its near perfect for a napoleonic body lol

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF33WXU0Ecw

[thin ibex]

I'm watching play ons battle report with Kroot v csm, they seem like fun

They're very tricky/ controlly rather than super killy

As an army

Big on board control and I think opportunistic combined assaults on choice targets

Generally pretty fragile, so blast and anti infantry load outs really tear em up

T3 infantry means they really gotta play with sight lines

And cover

Their Detachment helps a lot though with the invulnerable saves

[jaunty dawn]

they seem really fun yeah

[ebon forge]

Tyrannids that makes you pog
Truly
The worst of all

https://youtu.be/9R9PkBpWtAo?si=yGQ8Mtr1Bc3MLY8Z

[jaunty dawn]

I like how this makes abaddon look

[ebon forge]

MINI-ME

[spice flicker]

Idk how to feel about the results I got for that one test.

[thin ibex]

whats da test?>

i love online tests

[spice flicker]

https://www.idrlabs.com/space-marine-chapter/test.php

Kinda surprised I got a tie between dark angels and ultra-marines to be honest with raven guard being very close behind. This doesn't help the indecisiveness of which legion to collect.

[thin ibex]

I'm less salamander than id like lol

[spice flicker]

You too ended up with a tie

[thin ibex]

Raven Scrs

[spice flicker]

But yeah I know that feeling since I thought imperial fists would be higher but they weren't

[thin ibex]

White Guard. Hmm maybe not white guard

[spice flicker]

Ultra dark Marines?
Ultra angels?
Dark marines?

[untold swallow]

I got blood angels

[spice flicker]

Hmmm.... ultramarines or dark angels?

[thin ibex]

I think white scars makes sense for me

And I got a decent amount of space wolves

[naive abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959864760441118790/1219304699531104256/image0.jpg?ex=660ad0fd&is=65f85bfd&hm=e1a77fca3a6a5aecf0a4bcbc1189b6e174e3cf548a507a933285e341a30ee365&

[jaunty dawn]

what are thooose

oh chaos marine chaoses

[floral herald]

I’m guessing from the silhouette a terminator lord

[jaunty dawn]

he's got a power pack

I think?

the skulls?

[thin ibex]

lieutenant in terminator armor

[jaunty dawn]

and the only power armour chaos lord we have rn is the blackstone fortress one

[thin ibex]

give us the dawn of war chaos lord with the scythe

[jaunty dawn]

idk the terminator lord is already a really cool kit if a little outdated haha

[floral herald]

Honestly I was just going off of how the arms looked too chunky for power armor

But you’re right about the backpack

[jaunty dawn]

and I don't really want termi lord or termi sorcerer to lose options 🙃

[spice flicker]

Found a csm test as well

[jaunty dawn]

maybe he has something on his arm that's not holding anything 🤔

[spice flicker]

I kinda agree with these results and they make sense to me.

[upper canopy]

I remember doinog this one and I can't remember what I had

[thin ibex]

oh oh

i must do it

[spice flicker]

https://www.idrlabs.com/chaos-space-marine-chapter/test.php

[spice flicker]

That 13% is the lowest I've ever seen on one of these test.

[thin ibex]

im very not word bearers xD

clearly i believe that there is terror in the machine

[spice flicker]

I'm honestly surprised I got so high with death guard. I can't stand 40k dg tbh. But 4 favorite csm legions were the highest for me which makes me happy.

[thin ibex]

yeah, im big on Alpha, WE, Iron and TS

Night Lords are Aight i suppose

[spice flicker]

AL, TS, WB, and IW are my favorites.

I honestly thought EC would be lower than WE but nope.

[thin ibex]

i like NL for chaos as being like, equally evil before and after the heresty

but also bemoan them because morale shit is like... still not worth a lot

on teh table

[spice flicker]

Showed a friend my results and his response to AL being the highest overall for me was "I can see that." I guess that means im not doing my job properly then.

[pulsar cairn]

lady inquisitor from ciaphas cain is nice

is she cool just cause she likes cain? like she looks at his fricking personal recordings she knows he's full of shit

"full of shit", he's more competent than he thinks

[spice flicker]

Amberley is one of my favorite characters from the cain books. The narrators in the audiobooks do an amazing job for her and cain.

[untold swallow]

well damn

[spice flicker]

If you aren't listening to the cain audiobooks you're missing out.

[untold swallow]

Not entirely unexpected

EC being 2nd surprises me tho

[spice flicker]

Really?

[desert jay]

Assigned "sexy sorcerer" by internet quiz

[untold swallow]

I mean

@naive abyss is what tech said inaccurate XD

For some reason I got Imperial Fists for my loyalist chapter

or wait Fists were second, first was uh

blood angels

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/ZamPainting/status/1769627123587674592

[untold swallow]

I think the reason I got EC as my second is like

I answered 'pursuing perfection in your passions' as a 3

but all those passions are nerd shit lmao

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/Darcy_Bono/status/1769684106277749109

[naive abyss]

You're definitely getting ec due to writing fixation. The notable important modifier is the undercurrent is angy catty from ie and we. Also being a writing nerd from wb and being esoteric as sick in communication from alpha

[untold swallow]

Hey! XD

[naive abyss]

Makes sense artistic dramatic with competitive stubborn streak

Thus is my prognosis

[untold swallow]

lol

[floral herald]

Lmfao u know it

[bright dove]

I will take it

[spice flicker]

Wow an even lower score that the earlier WB score of 13%.

[naive abyss]

Not particularly surprised lol

I'm a stubborn perfectionist nerd with a long memory for grudges and an inclination to throw hands when people wanna fuck around lol

[naive abyss]

Ngl I wanna do something like this but incorporate all the pan colours lol

[floral herald]

I just said yes to all the obviously black legion ones since it was a pretty transparent quiz

[naive abyss]

Lol

I tried to answer honestly lol

[untold swallow]

lmao ye

[naive abyss]

Huh by this one perplexes me more

In part due to how even it is

[bright dove]

WOOOOO YEAH BABY!

[floral herald]

The quiz has 7 grades of answer it’ll be really vague unless you only choose 1 or 7 I’m guessing

(I don’t think it needs that many tbh)

[sour sequoia]

“Huh there’s six coherent answers and MURDER DEATH VIOLENCE KILLING CANNIBALISM”

That doesn’t even really narrow it down at all anyways

[floral herald]

It’s a funny mix of like modern sociology surveys and the batshit politics of space marines

Like

Is it best in life to: crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
Strongly disagree
Disagree
Neutral
Agree
Strongly agree

And this is more fine grained

[sour sequoia]

lul

[sweet solar]

yeah its some actual thought and effort to make a good test

i remember the official chaos legion one from a while back lol

it sucked

[tepid stratus]

Huh, looks at shelves of slaanesh minis checks out

[thin ibex]

You know, what ARE the night lords up to these days

[naive abyss]

being sad and raiding unprotected targets lol

[thin ibex]

Ah, doing drukhari stuff with less relish

[pastel rampart]

They're pretty fractured so what one warband does is often separate from other warbands and the legion as a whole, or what could even be considered a legion nowadays.

[spice flicker]

Have the dark eldar and night lords ever cooperated?

[solemn gull]

Probably not, if anything they both fight over territory since they are raiders

[bright dove]

Oh, so they're experiencing World Eaters syndrome.

[naive abyss]

no because the eaters at least have dad around to sometimes roudn allot of them up lol

[bright dove]

Oh yeah, they do!

[pulsar cairn]

what's that chaos legion vote for?

[south axle]

I think they are test results

[pulsar cairn]

oh

how do i do it

[spice flicker]

https://www.idrlabs.com/chaos-space-marine-chapter/test.php

[pulsar cairn]

thank you not wallace

[spice flicker]

Here is the one for loyalist

https://www.idrlabs.com/space-marine-chapter/test.php

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/RGuillimanXIII/status/1768633222240276754

[spice flicker]

Firestorm, Vanguard, or Gladius better?

For a general purpose army?

[pulsar cairn]

wow

i expected alpha legion to be the first place for me

also dang

iron warriors

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/K38Nh/49602570f8.jpg

[pulsar cairn]

i see you like feeling like a fine lad

[pastel rampart]

Given that I was like ART IS AWESOME I was expecting more BA.

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/mossacannibalis/status/1187880045001334784

[naive abyss]

fuck yeah

tbh i still wish wed get some unification war models or the moi war

i feel those would kick ass

like id love to see actually modeled techno barbarians

[pulsar cairn]

White scars like art

[naive abyss]

you know honestly even sans an actual unification war id love something to sorta steal that vibe/look

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/19566mo/female_thunder_warriors/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

also im realizing that i dont think theres anything saying thunder warriors couldnt be ladies lol

ngl these sculpts kick ass

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/tags/thunder+warriors There's some bitchin' TW models out there

I've also seen people take stormcasts and convert them to TWs to really good effect

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/pfxu9s/made_a_thunder_warrior_out_of_an_annihilator_what/

[past sphinx]

i have an entire thunder warriors army

from one of the earlier versions of Makers cults concepts

[naive abyss]

def. im trying to find a source for those lady ones i posted

[naive abyss]

honeslty i liek this take on them allot

never liked the no face plate helmets over much

i dont mind them but im not gonna pretend i dont find a death mask face plate cooler lol

[naive abyss]

this model from tortuga fucks as well ngl

yeah this is a vibe lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/y4pm9t/i_made_an_intercession_squad_of_female_thunder/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

honestly thunder warriors would be a cool add as a kill team

but idk if it would happen since gw has sorta shifted to kill teams also being a unit for a faction to use

[pastel rampart]

Well, if they ever make a bespoke primaris KT then you can easily do a count-as.

[naive abyss]

true

[floral herald]

I’d be real surprised if a group which hadn’t existed for 10k years got one

I didn’t expect beastmen either though

[naive abyss]

i mean theres multiple bits of fluff implying some are still knocking about here and there

like itd be a pretty easy thing to explain "somebody found them in some cryo pods drifting in space"

[pastel rampart]

Well, last we saw any TW was during the Heresy and one of them might have learned enough bio-science to stop their degeneration.

[floral herald]

Hence “surprised” not “it’s objectively impossible”

[naive abyss]

like its not a group id want a whole faction for but as a neat one off id be here for it

[past sphinx]

there was like

[naive abyss]

men of iron are my only really silly far back in humanity history group i want an honest to gods faction for

[past sphinx]

2 guys we know specficially made it to 40k

both are dead now

but hey, real troopers

[floral herald]

Tbh for people that unstable lasting that long is pretty impressive

[naive abyss]

apparently the maker cult has a whole range for them

which is cool

itd be a fun way to do like renegade marines visually tbh

[upper bluff]

Votann lore kinda makes it sound like they could be a sub faction kinda thing like kroot

[pine matrix]

That's dope! Love the Emperor too

[upper bluff]

Since their whole thing is having ancient ai

[naive abyss]

the moi are not related to the votann

[upper bluff]

Really?

[past sphinx]

he harvested dead space marines for genes and was all spliced up

[upper bluff]

I thought the Votann ais were the ones from the human dark age?

[naive abyss]

they are distinct

[past sphinx]

might have been a source for the Minotaurs fucked up genes

its weird

[naive abyss]

and i think predate the moi to an extent

[upper bluff]

Would be on theme at least 😦

[naive abyss]

and also the votann are vague in what they are cuz they are like semi sapient stcs with a warp presence

tbh id rather an moi army of its own

theres plenty of potential there and doesnt remove their whole like relentelss death to organics vibe

cuz like crons no longer inhabit that niche as much so i feel itd be cool to get another robo faction

[upper bluff]

Oh you want them to still be all Terminator not just robot guys

[past sphinx]

id play Moi, if only for how cheap it would be for an army of them

[naive abyss]

a part of me likes the idea that they are what the nids are "running" from

but i recognize thatd cheapen nids maybe

but i cant pretend i dont like the idea of moi didnt like disappear they just left to gear up and spread elsewhere

[past sphinx]

"you people suck were getting out of here"

[pine matrix]

The moi are hiding in the Imperium as machine spirits, one day every lasgun will turn on its fleshy weilder

[floral herald]

There’s some parallels between the Men of Stone and the leagues of votann but given how little MoS lore there is it’s pretty speculative

[naive abyss]

yeah

but ultimately this is just me loving ur-025 as a design and wanting an army of them

cuz it would look kick ass

also tbh i do think nids having an actual threat to them at a meaninful scale would be cool

https://themakerscult.com/shop/product/tempest-legion-mk3-troops/

found the lady warriors btw

took some digging lol

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/miniatures/sci-fi/tempest-legion-mk3-troops

pretty good source for lady marine heads too ngl

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/miniatures/sci-fi/magna-nemeriss-iron-hive-swarmlady-dark-techno-archpriestess

this would make a kick ass count as for whats his face lol

[brittle salmon]

To throw a curveball here, Ironstorm

[spice flicker]

Oh I know ironstorm is good but I meant among those three

[brittle salmon]

Uhh, Vanguard then I'd say - the Detachment rule gives you a frankly shocking degree of durability against shooting

You can sorta just run a regularish army peppered with some good Phobos units and you're golden

Firestorm is good but mandates having a lot of transports, Gladius needs you to think ahead a fair bit and is still kinda mid even then

[topaz elk]

Honestly with how many 40k statblocks are just “dude with gun in one hand and melee weapon in another” I’m surprised custodes are the only army with hybrid weapons

[uneven ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/VoicesByZane/status/1769815863660564850

[thin ibex]

yeah i agree with briar

i think vanguard is good general purpose

just bring a few key phobos

[topaz elk]

What does vanguard do?

[brittle salmon]

Detachment rule is if you're being shot from over 12" away, give them -1 to hit and you get cover

[topaz elk]

Oh yah that does sound good

[brittle salmon]

The only real downside is that the strats are all infantry focused

But like, whatever

They're still very respectable

[thin ibex]

though i do think gladius strongly competes as a generalist set up that just has a bunch of useful options for all styles of play

and the flexibility to adjust

[brittle salmon]

I think Gladius suffers from being the first detachment released

Because imo it's not great

[thin ibex]

I think it's... well, pretty solidly middle of the pack, which kind of makes sense

Especially from a "generalist" perspective, imo

Nets your army a great deal of flexibility in terms of restrictions with movement and attacking between the phases, at the cost of no specific particular boosts

[jaunty dawn]

oooh yesss

[thin ibex]

Tried to make a full generalist list that was made of units that can pull double duty in some manner

Hellblasters just seem like the poster boy for generalist firepower

[brittle salmon]

They are kinda just the best infantry marines have, imo

in that mid tier bracket

[thin ibex]

I think I could refine a separate concept and do a "melee and ranged only" list, focusing on Dreads, aggressors, terminators

Only units that do a bit of both

Problem is, I think they're all slow

Oh! Bikes

They do both, they are fast. Just can't drop armor

I think incursors also count

And invictors, and they can kill armor

Only outliers are the ATVs

[naive abyss]

https://store.privateerpress.com/emperor-carver-ultimus-esquire-iii-war-boar-mmd47/

you know im sorta tempted by the idea of orks lead by a weird boar monster

especially with how stellar these sculpts are

[pastel rampart]

Go one step further: get pig ork heads for the rank and file

[naive abyss]

lol

while thatd be fun i like the idea of it just being the leader and it either being an ork that somehow got turned into one or a xeno just kept kicking the shit out of anyone who questioned how not green they were lol

ooo what if it was one of the boars the clan breed but a dok/mek decided to fuck around with one

and frakensteined a boar-ork thing

also gotta say whoever does privateer presses current sculpts and paint jobs is nailing it imo

its nice to see that warmachine also finally has been getting some refreshes it seems

[naive abyss]

you know it remains funny to me that even faking daughters having pants via paint job makes them look way better to me lol

[naive abyss]

ngl im once again realizing that i think gws paint scheme caused me to like a faction less than i could like it lol

cuz these look alright though im still keen on the idea of green stuffing over the mouths

https://www.instagram.com/col.festus/p/CnKaZKHOwPH/?next=%2Fvewtopia%2Ftagged%2F&hl=fr&img_index=6

[pulsar cairn]

Is there any chaos planets that had to deal with genestealer cults?

[cloud flicker]

https://vxtwitter.com/wh40kbestof/status/1769734196199673884?s=46&t=xG1aQzmUQy1UDI7FMGDKnQ

[spice flicker]

I've got 105 points left in a sm list I was working on. Should I replace the gladiator lancer with a pair of predator annihilators or maybe consider something different with the points?

[thin ibex]

i think the preds underperform compared to the lancer, but also often times 2 high priority targets is going to be better than 1

more wounds on the table, each with 4 lascannon shots

[spice flicker]

So performance vs output/wound total

[thin ibex]

also harder to hide from two preds than it is from 1 lancer

[spice flicker]

I think I'll do that then

[thin ibex]

i hadnt realized that the pred lascannon was str 14 too

which is a boon

honestly, pred anihilator might not be awful in an ironstorm list

im a general fan of a pred destructor with lascannon sponsons for a swiss army knife tank

the fact also tha the pred annihalter is cheaper than hte ballistus dread is pretty nice too

[spice flicker]

I bet they're great in ironstorm but I was trying for more anti-tank in a Vanguard list.

[thin ibex]

they work fine there too imo

the boost in survivability from the detach

is good for them

and str 14 with rr1's and rr wounds from twin linked is good

[spice flicker]

WIP Omega Chapter (were totally not all alpha legion)
1995/2000 points
Vanguard

Gravis captain, the blade driven deep
Phobos captain, warlord, shadow war veteran
Phobos librarian, execute and redeploy
Chaplain with jet pack, plasma gun

1x5 heavy intercessors (home objective camper)
1x10 heavy intercessors (partnered with gravis captain and 2 heavy bolters)

1x10 assault intercessors with jet packs (partnered with chaplain, 3x plasma guns)
1x3 eliminators (partnered with phobos librarian)
2x5 incursors
1x5 infiltrator
1x3 suppressors
1x5 Terminators (cyclone missile launcher)

1x ballistus dreadnought
2x predators annihilators (Lascannon sponsons)
1x storm speeder hailstrike

[thin ibex]

great shooting list, plenty of anti tank

might be a bit vulnerable to high octane heavy melee lists if they can close distance easily

[spice flicker]

Yeah melee is a bit of a concern but was hoping to whittle down some of those bigger threats or counter with the suppressors, deep striking Terminators or jet pack intercessors.

[thin ibex]

Here's an ironstorm using some pred annihilators, ends up with a surprising volume of lascannons

[spice flicker]

Not used to sm tbh.

No shield dome for impulsors?

[thin ibex]

negative, figured they're generally tough enough to handle some fire, and can use the reroll on their missile launcher

the alternative would be the comms link

to use strats on em with the hallblasters inside

[spice flicker]

I see

[thin ibex]

the trick is the tech marine rides with them, gets out, and stands behind it

[junior robin]

finally...sword?

[thin ibex]

making a plasma boat

that regens wounds

one of which has lethal hits on every plasma gun

[spice flicker]

Nice

I know with dark angels isn't the trick to put azrael with one squad and load into the impulsor?

[thin ibex]

you know honestly, i know the lancer is the current last word as far as SM anti tank

but someone with old predators

would not be hamstrung

if they brought them

[jaunty dawn]

predators seem easier to hide

[spice flicker]

For the price of 2 lancers you could bring 2 predators and a techmarine.

[thin ibex]

i would almost still consider bringing a predator destructor with lascannon sponsons in crusade

over a lancer

but then the gladiator with the miniguns us fun

[spice flicker]

The lancer is the only gladiator I've ever heard anyone discuss or use.

[jaunty dawn]

there should be a slaanesh plot to smash Mars and Venus together

[thin ibex]

the valiant has massive damage potential but underpeforms compared to the lancer

the... onslaught one whatever its called, is actually pretty useful at clearing infantry and providing volume fire

the reason lancers are talked about is that they're super efficient at anti armor

[spice flicker]

And 10th has made vehicles pretty relevant and good.

[thin ibex]

i just think the minigun one is fun because brrrr

why roll good when you can roll more

(I'm dice cursed)

[spice flicker]

Have you heard of our lords and saviors the Knight Warden, Knight Crusader, and double gatling cannon Knight Despoiler?

[floral herald]

https://fxtwitter.com/jetblackraider/status/1769903366535327933?s=20

[tired cairn]

Bring clandestine is for the inquisitorial agents

But only some of them

[naive abyss]

https://fxtwitter.com/warhammer/status/1770042873603334305?t=zQHXACJ4CagthoUaWFdGYQ&s=19

[pastel rampart]

Its Pikachu

[junior robin]

surely that cant be anything other then a dwarf standing on a shield.

[naive abyss]

It's likely the rumored thane on shield with shield bearers

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_sak2f4oHlJ1xcuekc_720.mp4

[naive abyss]

Me with my partners be like

[thin ibex]

land raider aint carrying anyone, which makes it maybe a bit superfluous

could replace it with more tanks or soldiers

[spice flicker]

If you shaved off 5 points somewhere you could replace the LR with 2 more predators

Maybe replace vindicator with a 2nd whirlwind and you could do it.

[thin ibex]

was also considering 2 units of vanvets

to supplement some melee in

[spice flicker]

That could work

Also since Vanguard vets can exchange bolt pistols for plasma pistols which could help with threats a bit too tough for melee.

[thin ibex]

im a fan of inferno pistols xD, though they have extremely short range

[spice flicker]

Those are nice too

Maybe change the boxnaught for a 2nd destructor and use the 20 points for an enhancement maybe?

[thin ibex]

could do could do, though the box naught is iconic, also great fo a normal tac marine gunline

[spice flicker]

True

Maybe replace a pred with another boxnaught since you have the points to spare?

[floral herald]

https://fxtwitter.com/VoicesByZane/status/1770065621520097607?s=20

So real for this

[jaunty dawn]

this is great

[topaz elk]

Now this is a Khorne follower

[spice flicker]

Someone certainly had enough khorne flakes this morning for breakfast.

[naive abyss]

these rules are fun ngl

like idk how much of this is just carried forward from oldhammer rules but still

[pastel rampart]

Randomly flinging themselves across the board is what Fanatics used to do.

[naive abyss]

was the concealing thing also how they worked?

[jaunty dawn]

ye

[naive abyss]

noted

either way idk i continue to be struck by how much more just fun these rules feel to me

like its very fluffy and goofy

[jaunty dawn]

they still work this way in aos tbf

[bright dove]

It's like the surprise Skaven weapon teams.

[pastel rampart]

Back in 6e, fanatics had two pages of rules to properly explain their bullshit.

http://puu.sh/K3cy6/b745f61e5d.jpg

Wheeeeeee

The fanatic could of course, go right into your own units. Which is why there was a rule that allowed O&G to shoot them, something most other armies couldn't do because oh god he's got a ball and chain is a pretty natural reaction and overrides most other sensibilities.

http://puu.sh/K3czI/6660cadb8b.jpg

[jaunty dawn]

oh hm

[pastel rampart]

also they'd pop out if they or an enemy got within 8", for any reason, which made charging night goblins a fraught affair.

[jaunty dawn]

I think there's less shell game with them in Old World than there used to be/in aos

[pastel rampart]

You just never knew when a unit had 1 or more of those fuckers hidden.

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-motherfucker-surprisemotherfucker-sorpresa-gif-5352423

[jaunty dawn]

cause they're purchased as upgrades to specific units

[bright dove]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-tyson-granger-gif-19697788

What it's like to charge Goblins

[jaunty dawn]

so where they're hidden is on your list roster :(

still secret in aos where you've put your fanatic units though

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/K3cAX/56fa7db362.jpg

Used to be unit upgrades too. In...something of a weird way, since its "not including fanatics"

[jaunty dawn]

rest of their old world rules

oh huh

[pastel rampart]

Huh, OG fanatics just ignored armor entirely, not AP-3.

Meant they were horribly, frighteningly dangerous to chaos knights and brettonians since they'd just go through all that tasty plate armor.

[jaunty dawn]

I guess like

if you have 3 identical night goblin units, but one has fanatics

it's not necessarily public information which one has fanatics

[pastel rampart]

That was the usual mind game, yeah

[jaunty dawn]

right right

[pastel rampart]

Three units of 25 NGs, any one of them could have fanatics. Or no fanatics at all.

You just don't know because people didn't typically show their lists.

[jaunty dawn]

yeah that too

it's kinda funny because infinity has this whole public list/private list thing and this is just a tiny taste of that haha

[tepid stratus]

Average Ariadna player handing their opponent a blank courtesy list

In fairness my spiralcorps list is half lies thanks to camo and holoprojectors

Love hidden info mechanics in games

[valid brook]

Nothing I like better than a blank courtesy list and twenty camo markers all over the table

[spice flicker]

So who does massed infantry better: endless swarm or kroots?

[floral herald]

endless swarm I think

Unless I'm missing something with kroot

[uneven ember]

Orks are fun that way.

[naive abyss]

i mean overall ive just gotten that vibe with old worlds rules

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this 1000 pts custodes list for a potential crusade?

Shield captain
Blade champion

1x4 Custodian guards (blade wizard attached)
1x5 prosecutors

2x2 allarus Terminators (spears)
1x5 Custodian Wardens (spears+vex and shield captain attached)

[pastel rampart]

Fantasy Orcs do have one annoying problem though, and that's Animosity.

http://puu.sh/K3cTv/d607d9bb60.jpg

http://puu.sh/K3cTC/d7cda9ec85.jpg

Gotta do an Animosity test for almost every unit, at the beginning of your turn. Units which are in close combat or fleeing don't test. Black Orcs don't test cuz they're dead 'ard.

Oh, and war machines and chariots, and trolls and giants.

[jaunty dawn]

yeah impetuous replaces this in old world aiui

[pastel rampart]

Roll a d6 for each unit that doesn't fall under that and on a 2+ they behave normally, and on a 1 they gotta roll on that table. So it's entirely possible multiple units on your turn just won't behave like you want them to and do any number of things, making long-term planning a fool's errand.

While this is fluffy and kinda fun the first few times, it also slows the game down even more.

Impetuous is a much better rule and isn't a huge drawback since you're gonna want to charge with orcs anyway.

[brittle salmon]

Endless Swarm has a lot more backing for its gimmick

[naive abyss]

yeah

which i feel is a healthier but still fun middle ground

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1770065672405397603

[pastel rampart]

...huh, LoV are mostly on 32mm.

Weird. Thought they'd be on 25mm.

[naive abyss]

did a lazy image edit to see how no mouth would look and its kinda a vibe ngl

[ebon forge]

Except for not being green enough, this area really gives a nice Nurgle feeling

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/ChaosDaemonette/status/1355971992034402305 Hey, Nurgle can be plenty red.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/hc1eg1/got_a_used_nurgle_glottkin_and_more_and_decided/ In fact, nurgle daemons look really good with it

[ebon forge]

Oh yeah they do , damn

[pastel rampart]

Right?

Heck, Caelid in Elden Ring is a prime example of a Nurgle-infested landscape despite having very little green in it.

[ebon forge]

Then yeah this place in Darkest Dungeon 2 is prime Nurgle

[spice flicker]

If you were part of a group doing crusade and had to use an army you don't already have, what would you use?

[jaunty dawn]

...I havent technically started my kroot yet, does that count xP

[naive abyss]

im not sure if all my hypothetical armies count as already having them

cuz i only have a few bits and pieces of collections of models lol

assuming you mean something you havent actually physically collected for a whole army. id probably do my votann

though i have the most stuff for that so failing that probably my guard

[jaunty dawn]

if I had to choose an army I have no intention of actually getting in the forseeable future Id probably go with imperial guard maybe

[wintry mist]

I would run necrons

No interest in the whatsoever but like, they're funny skeletons

[bright dove]

It's Drukhari time bby

Or Guard.

Probably guard.

[wintry mist]

I like necrons I just dont fuck with their aesthetic

Thats not true actually necrons go really hard

Then yeah necrons I've never played them and never even considered it

[sweet solar]

fucking how

lmao

even if i was going salamanders on purpose i should have got some wrong by accident and i was wildly swinging up and down in my answers

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/04x3WY

[sweet solar]

i still think they should have him write some poetry

[thin ibex]

I think I'd do... demons or guard probably. Or aeldari

[cloud flicker]

The fire calls

:)

[thin ibex]

Back to thinking about wolfspears

Infiltrating eradicators feels spicy

Easy to go second and get wrecked though

But the threat feels nifty

They're supposedly incredibly good AT if you can line up the shots

[thin ibex]

Is it weird, as a space wolf enjoyer, that I feel a bit of loyalty to the Predator Annihilator, since they invented it?

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/1bikrvb/the_great_drowned_one/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[wintry mist]

No because its also awesome

The regular predator cannon is fit for a normal ass ifv, not a main battle tank that can conveniently carry troops

[ebon forge]

So the teaser about Sigmar lying is just 4e right?

[spice flicker]

Yes

With new skaven who happen to be attacking azyr

[thin ibex]

Sigmar lied about rat men not existing xD

[ebon forge]

That's Hilarious

[spice flicker]

Same problem the empire had then I guees

Empire denied skaven existed and half the empire fell to vermintide. Even altdorf was eventually lost to the skaven.

[jaunty dawn]

probably gonna be sigmar 'lied' about azyr being safe

[ebon forge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altdorf,_Uri WE LOST THE SWISS TO THE RATS

[spice flicker]

Dang the rats were supposed to destroy the Swiss city with the WEF not this one.

[ebon forge]

They were after that Swiss cheese

[still warren]

Can't have two many lighting bolts on your robe

[ebon forge]

Oh my god Custodes

[spice flicker]

New priest?

[thin ibex]

jesus christ its a new primaris lieutenant

[mental birch]

Genderbent Jason

[pastel rampart]

Is there a stream?

[desert jay]

live on Twitch at 3am GMT/10pm CDT

So in 11.5 hours

[pastel rampart]

Oooh, okay.

That's uh. sleeptime for me.

[still warren]

Wait are you sure that's the right time? That's in the middle of the night for the uk

[pastel rampart]

Adepticon is also in the US so it lines up with US time.

Otherwise I think reveals would be in the middle of the night for the US if it lined up with the UK.

[still warren]

Oh yeah you're right was just looking it up now

[pastel rampart]

There's no easy way to do it and GW probably figures it's best to just let Adepticon dictate it. They can just prerecord stuff anyway.

[desert jay]

The event is physically in Chicago

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[jaunty dawn]

the ppl who do the stream just straight up have to be up for 3

is how they do it haha

[cinder wraith]

ill just wake up at 6 am and read stuff on the way to work

[still warren]

Hopefully the people running the stream got flown into Chicago and have had a day or two to acclimate to the time zone

[jaunty dawn]

ah no

there are gw ppl who do a reveal show in chicago

but that starts an hour before the public livestream

and ends just about as the livestream starts from the studio in nottingham

the presenters and the one or two production staff just are literally there at 3 am haha

[pastel rampart]

Some people see an empty gelato container. I see terrain.

[past sphinx]

do the dorsal spikes pass the vibe check

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=od-nQqKeCEs altho this is cool and maybe I'll go with a radar dish on top

[spice flicker]

Read a description somewhere that described suppressors as zaku-esque and now I kinda want to get some suppressors and just kitbash zaku heads on them.

Googled and found this

So it has been done I see

[thin ibex]

https://spikeybits.com/2019/10/jack-of-clubs-space-marine-gundam-conversion.html

[ebon forge]

Sick as hell

[spice flicker]

Nice

Now to see about Zaku Marines vs tau federation since people have compared the tau suits to gundams in the past.

[naive abyss]

https://fxtwitter.com/Kabooski01/status/1770058740089160011

[unreal cosmos]

How far do you think someone could get playing 40k CSM with the Solar Auxilia model range? I'm suddenly piqued by the idea of renegade SA maintaining their arms and armor even after fleeing into the Eye.

[unreal cosmos]

Also: very cool

[rocky shale]

Probably similar to the way you'd play traitor guard using csm rules. You get like 5 datasheets that are reasonable to proxy as.

[floral herald]

Hmm, would you be using the Auxila models for legionaries or cultists or what?

[unreal cosmos]

Cultists, though I'm also thinking you could do some stuff with the sentinels

[floral herald]

Hmm I think it’s doable, especially with the Blooded squad

[rocky shale]

Not competetive obv but you could make a playable list. Not sure what you'd proxy a sentinel for.

[junior robin]

build a large diorama base and glue 5 of them to it to make a defiler which each carrying one of its weapons

[ebon forge]

also to add to that

[jaunty dawn]

sentinel is probably a decent oblit proxy

especially if you use like

the heavy sentinel

and strap a load of guns to it

[junior robin]

it could maybe work as a hellbrute if you twinlink the gun on top.

[spice flicker]

Are the ossiarch bonereapers just AOS custodes or no 40k equivalent?

[junior robin]

bit tempted to use the solar auxilia as fraternis templar finally escaping the storm of the emperors wrath

[bright dove]

They're Necrons.

[jaunty dawn]

their main gimmick is having a lot more command points but only being able to spend them on specific strats

and every unit has its own strat with no 1/round limitation

which is stuff like empowering the shield guys' shields

[spice flicker]

I see

Also speaking of necrons since they got brought up, is it feasible to bring a monolith to a 1000 points game?

Or overkill?

[jaunty dawn]

in terms of having like an entire army on 40mm+ bases theres a lot of aos factions that can do it

[bright dove]

You should bring a monolith whenever possible. 😄

[junior robin]

now I wish I lived in the universe where necrons had a knight-army equivalent with different kind of monoliths.

[spice flicker]

Trying to brainstorm a 1000 points list for necrons with a monolith and not 100% satisfied with my work in progress so far.

Hypercrpt Legion

Lokhust Lord

10x warriors
5x immortals

6x lokhust destroyers
2x3 canoptek wraiths (claws/particle caster)

1x monolith (death rays)

1000/1000 points

Feel like I'm missing something or could be doing something better.

Thoughts?

[naive abyss]

stormcast if anything are the custodes equivalent lol

[ebon forge]

The monkey pawn curl
it is just a upscalled Necron Warrior

[spice flicker]

I thought they were more space marine equivalent of the sigmarine jokes are anything to go by.

[bright dove]

Nah, they're really custodes coded.

[bright dove]

What I might do is find some room to put in a Heavy Destroyer or two.

[spice flicker]

Maybe remove a set of wraith?

[bright dove]

Maybe.

[spice flicker]

Enmitic or gauss?

[bright dove]

Gauss for more anti-vehicle.

So you can stop those transports that come up.

[spice flicker]

990/1000

[bright dove]

Hey, it works.

[jaunty dawn]

your mistake was thinking sigmarine jokes were anything but superficially grounded in reality haha

[spice flicker]

I mostly focused on nighthaunts and fec in my defense and know little about other aos factions

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/BenjaminTobitt/status/1767862889459663134

[naive abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1043002761308020787/1220142175753469962/IMG_0363.png?ex=660ddcf3&is=65fb67f3&hm=9d68b4c7f482b4514849e6122492b19ad17c499de6bc93ae3fc4c45caab5252c&

[thin ibex]

has metal slug vibes

barrel too long for real metal slug, but the vibes are there

[naive abyss]

it honeslty is pretty close to what in my head a lov mbt would sorta look like

[past sphinx]

id like a casemate LoV tank

the sturdiest of tank designs

proper dorf

[topaz elk]

Honestly I’d kinda prefer that as a space marine tank

Just anything that isn’t a rhino or floating rhino

[past sphinx]

what about two rhinos strapped on top of each other

[topaz elk]

That’s perhaps the strongest tank in any faction

[naive abyss]

for me that stl is like rounded and visor shaped in a way i feel is similar to existing lov stuff

its also feels like sorta squat? in terms of its like proportions

[sweet solar]

you also have auxilia ogryn

and you could p easily make like. heavu auxilia with a head and weapon swap onto stormcast to be legion equivilent 8f you wanted

[crisp lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1770608958627086354/photo/1

[naive abyss]

soon tm

[jaunty dawn]

maybe they have moved to prerecorded actually

that video was a very weird way to announce two models

but chaos lord and chaos lord with jump pack

oh it was announcing initial battleforce boxes

csm will have Eight detachments

cultists, daemon engine, infiltrators mentioned

vehicles

the index detachment is the not!wordbearer detachment which is kinda funny

new format where there's a lot more talking and less images of models so far sdfhd

warcry: sylvaneth vs bonereapers

bonereaper rejects with a big variety of stuff

centaur leader n such

[naive abyss]

sylvaneth still seem bug heavy

[naive abyss]

then bonetaur is fun

[jaunty dawn]

twistweald are siiick (they are very poorly)

[naive abyss]

i like the vine hair

im just sorta bummed its oops all bugs in trees again lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think realistically animals are just gonna be when kurnoth elves show up fully

I like that these seem like they'll make good spite revenants to not have the same 5 models 3 times haha

[naive abyss]

lol valid

oh these are some weirdos

weird not flagellants

[jaunty dawn]

they have scrungle out the wazoo

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/warhammer/status/1770649083776033044

ngl i like this chaos lord

ironically gives me chaos warrior vibes

[jaunty dawn]

I appreciate like talking to more different ppl who have more direct knowledge of the lore and mechanics of the stuff but I wish they'd edited in more images like they did on the live broadcasts

[naive abyss]

theyre great

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/21/adepticon-preview-twisted-followers-of-alarielle-and-nagash-battle-in-briar-and-bone/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/21/adepticon-2024-chaos-space-marines-on-the-warpath/

[naive abyss]

ngl the chaos lord may be my fave 40k chaos model since the cultists/vashtorr

oh

oh my

is that abraxia...

[naive abyss]

i...i expected her to be small like valkia

omfg it is

[jaunty dawn]

it is!!

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-heart-attack-the-feels-lord-jesus-help-me-help-gif-12421352

i love her

no notes

[jaunty dawn]

that's so good

[naive abyss]

shes so fucking big

also the monster thing kicks ass

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-hurry-impatient-gif-22696825

[naive abyss]

oh wait varanguard getting new models

[pastel rampart]

Ah there we go

[jaunty dawn]

this compared to her belakor counterpart is kinda hilarious

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

chad mortal chaos woman vs virigin corrupted stormcast man

imma give her a hammer

she may just become the new base for my chaos lord homebrew character lol

[jaunty dawn]

varanguard just casually being a unit that can be either battleline or your general depending on faction haha

[naive abyss]

also its sorta hilarius how much better she looks than archaon

https://vxtwitter.com/warhammer/status/1770652859505275363

[floral herald]

It’s been 1000 years…

It’s possible to get the Master of Possession again

[naive abyss]

?

[jaunty dawn]

darkoath are just like you and i

[naive abyss]

man slaves/chaos warriors eating so good

[floral herald]

The new CSM combat patrol includes the Master of Possession

Who’d been OOP for about 90% of 9E

[jaunty dawn]

mop was released again a while back

[floral herald]

It wasn’t that long ago but yeah the curse broke after 10e

Which was also when he left the meta haha