Warhammer and Such

[solemn gull]

Right but it means that there is some degree of relation

[floral herald]

There definitely is yeah

[solemn gull]

Stable warp routes etc

[naive abyss]

Like the warp by it's nature has no set shape or size

[floral herald]

The tricky thing is more that we don't know the warp's geography at all

[naive abyss]

The geography also constantly changes

[upper canopy]

The warp is treated more like an ocean than a dimension

[solemn gull]

I’m not saying the warp is finite I’m just saying that spheres of influence over it are like

[jaunty dawn]

even if slaanesh doesn't reach beyond the galaxy now, I think eldar would probably be bringing slaanesh with them is the thing

[floral herald]

For all we know the entire galaxy actually maps to a tiny speck of dust drifting in aetheric winds in a single book of Tzeentch's infinite library in terms of scale

[solemn gull]

If you went far enough away from all the emotions of the galaxy would you still be in the range of the warp as it’s shown

Or would other more local things affect it more

[upper canopy]

Potentially

But as it stands, no one can really "leave" the Galaxy other than the Tyranids who don't want to.

So it's a moot point for most everyone.

[floral herald]

Orks also can and have but aren't exactly interested in running away

Admech has also sent extragalactic probes and missions some iirc but yeah

There's nowhere to run to

[jaunty dawn]

I think there's probably also some like generation ships that have been sent

[floral herald]

That's like, almost a metaphyisical thing in 40k there being no escape

[jaunty dawn]

but no info on how that went

[floral herald]

I do have a theory that while chaos fills the universe the way it manifests depends on the beliefs and history of local space though

So part of the reason the chaos gods are so awful in 40k is because its the place where everyone knows the gods as capricious ruinous powers

There is no textual support for this but I like it

[thin ibex]

Isn't the given explanation that the intensity of the war in heaven ultimately turned the warp into a twisted maelstrom?

[floral herald]

essentially yeah

[naive abyss]

Somewhat random but can I get y'alls opinion of a thing with the feedback I'm gonna give for my space slayer wip?

I tried making the head a bit bigger, right image, and I'm not sure if I prefer that or the original somewhat smaller head proportions wise

[jaunty dawn]

and then the warp also made the war in heaven worse through predestination goodness

[floral herald]

I prefer the original I think

[floral herald]

Yeah its all paradoxical and weird

legions of slaanesh managed to get involved, though I have to wonder what the eldar were thinking

Just collective specieswide jamais vu haha

[proud wing]

as i always understood it, the warp is sort of like a collective subconscious; a manifestation of everyone's souls and feelings.
so in 30k when things were going mostly fine and people weren't superstitious, the warp was pretty tame.

but now everyone is miserable and hates everything. everyone being hateful makes chaos stronger. chaos being stronger means the empire tries to militarize more to stop it. when the empire militarizes more, they make everyone more miserable. When everyone gets more miserable, chaos gets...

[floral herald]

That's sort of true but the chaos gods are notable because they're able to exist without being "fed" and are sort of perpetual engines in the warp but yeah the gods are big winning with the 40k status quo

The warp was also still pretty rough in 30k but not as bad as 29k or the present

[proud wing]

they always exist, but they can get a lot stronger or weaker depending on the general state of people's mindsets

[upper canopy]

I feel like the thing is that the Chaos Gods aren't really able to exist pepertually without worship, at least not in their current state

Like Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, and Tzeentch wouldn't exist as senitent entities without their shit

[ebon forge]

CEO Grindset chaos god when

[floral herald]

Yeah they'd change but they'd still exist, and can throw a wrench in the works by doing their own shit to make themselves known

[proud wing]

Nurgle especially wouldn't exist without that

[ebon forge]

Maybe microbes?

[floral herald]

The origins of the gods are really vague as well, but I think there's something in one of the books about how the eldar pantheon was intentionally constructed by the eldar as a like species collective psychic entity under the tutelage of the old ones

And then when they got Big Mad during the WiH later they sort of inadvertently made the ruinous powers by doing it again

Which I think sort of dovetails interestingly with chaos' goal in the HH series: ||kill everything and bring the universe to oblivion||

Which I think is interesting in the context of the WiH

[upper canopy]

Cyan is that a spoiler

cuz like

they've literally already done that already

we been know

[floral herald]

It's why I sometimes joke that the ruinous powers are psychic unexploded ordnance

idk spoiler tags are fun to click on

[wintry mist]

me clicking spoiler tags like a game of wackamole and ruining my fun experiencing something

[proud wing]

you know, with how slaanesh existed millennia before slaanesh was created, i wonder if the other gods' origin have yet to occur

[floral herald]

Oh that's a weird thought

I like it

[proud wing]

like, i could see the current horrible state of the imperium creating khorne in the same way the eldar created slaanesh

[upper canopy]

That'd be really fun actually

[floral herald]

chaos gods be like

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

DARKTIDE IS ABOUT THE BIRTH OF NURGLE

[ebon forge]

big same

[ocean garnet]

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[upper bluff]

Hello warhammer people of pilot net. an acquaintance of mine has offered to sell me a used ad mech army. I might want to do that, but i have no idea what the price of used models is. most of them are prepainted and hes willing to sell it without the knights. so uhhhhh whats a reasonable price for all this?

Honestly I might just buy the kastellan robots and datasmith if anything at all

[past sphinx]

Friends i need suggestions for some wire, i need to suspend a skull out from a model. Has to be rigid enough to be sculpted around but thin enough not to need some big ol holes drilled

[soft willow]

Really loose back of napkin math is like 300-350 at roughly 50% MSRP, which is usually what you'd get for assembled/standard painted models.

[upper canopy]

crossposting here because it's very funny

[topaz elk]

TAU SWEEP

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/theempyrean__/status/1763613859212878266

[naive abyss]

vibe

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/sciencepie/status/1763464294195179883

[ocean garnet]

a part of me wants to get into 40k because i think the sisters are rad as fuck?

[proud wing]

there was a PS2 tau game??

I always thought the tau were a more obscure faction

[brittle salmon]

Fire Warrior sweep baby

(it was not very good)

[ocean garnet]

awww, it was bad? 😦

[proud wing]

a Warhammer soulslike could be really good

a grimdark setting with a ton of enemies and obscure lore, plenty of potential rad bosses, both melee and ranged combat...

[naive abyss]

ive rattled my cage several times that we should get a sob soulslike game

also it baffles me weve never gotten a warhammer fantasy crpg

[tired cairn]

We got an MMO once

It didn't do well lol

[naive abyss]

i mean thats like pretty much the reason anyone got into 40k. they saw a faction and thought "yo that looks rad as fuck"

[naive abyss]

yeah which is a bummer it was the only mmo that ever really interested me

[proud wing]

what's "sob" in this context again?

[naive abyss]

sister of battle

[proud wing]

ah yeah

[pastel rampart]

Scones of Betrayal

[naive abyss]

lol

[uneven ember]

"Fucking Sick" is the defining throughline of Warhammer 40K
Like yeah it's all horrific and satirical of authoritarianism but it's also just rad as fuck

[naive abyss]

like sure i already liked dorfs already but like i got into votann cuz i saw a plasma axe and felt seritonin immediately get yeeted into my brain lol

[upper bluff]

Mechanicus was my "fucking sick" moment. The tech priest dominus is so cool

[ocean garnet]

i like goblins, but i don't think they're a thing in 40k

[upper bluff]

Yeah, the closest thing are grots which are basically just tiny orcs that are used as literal and figurative cannon fodder

[uneven ember]

I mean they're goblins.
Space-goblins.
They're part of the Ork armies but they're absolutely goblins.

[upper bluff]

Good point

There are a few fun Grot units like the tanks

[upper canopy]

Semantics of Biscuits

[ocean garnet]

orcs are a hit-or-miss thing for me lol

[proud wing]

I should try the Sisters of Battle video game some time. My Quest 2 has been gathering dust for too long.

[proud wing]

yeah, I get that orcs and goblins are lumped together because "green fantasy race", but they have very different vibes

[uneven ember]

I'm one of the many fan of Aeronautica Imperialis & one of the last minis I was able to pick up before GW closed the line was Grot Bommers
They're modified Ork Eavy Bommers where instead of dropping bombs they fire A2A guided missiles with a sophisticated integrated navigation and targeting system (the missiles are piloted by grots)

[proud wing]

orcs are hulking angry warriors, goblins are mischievous little scrungles

[uneven ember]

Grots are absolutely mischievious little scrungles though.
They're not just small orks they're cunning little ankle-biters

[proud wing]

but if you want to use Grots, you need 90% of your army to be orcs

Tyranids and Knights are the two factions that really give me a primal "oh shit, this fucks" instinct

but I do enjoy the comedy of the Mechanicus viewing computers so religiously

"if your computer is not functioning, the machine spirit that inhabits it must be fatigued. Turn it off, so it may rest. Then turn it on again, so it may awaken anew by the grace of the Omnissiah."

[uneven ember]

oh well, yeah, grots are part of an ork army rather than their own thing (barring, like, novelty lists I'm sure you could work out some technically-all-grot list)
dunno that they designed anything as all-grot since the revolutionary faction in Gorkamorka, led by the Red Gobbo

[naive abyss]

since apparently my brain just wants to keep finding new shit it cant make up its mind on. which size mohawk do yall prefer?

[uneven ember]

I say "always bigger mohawk" call me a vote for the right

[past sphinx]

is the chain attaxhed to the axe

[naive abyss]

it is yes

its something to distinct her from normal beserks and a way to keep that design element from her og fantasy look

[past sphinx]

wont go well with it attached to her off hand with it behind her back like that

you could accentuate the motion line of the arm and the axe if you hook it back and around the front without breaking the strong line from the left foot to the head

but thats only my two cents

[naive abyss]

i definitely get that in terms of like real world logistics of all of it. i do sorta just on a visual level like the chain as is cuz it helps balance out the image weight and really communicates a sense of forward motion and the motion of her arms

and like shes a dwarf slayer i feel its practically tradtional for them to be doing some weird impractical nonsense with her weapons lol

just channeling this energy

[uneven ember]

I like the chain.
Very much in the "too much is almost enough" camp here

[naive abyss]

mm mm

its riding that line warhammer rides very often of "this is starting to make no fucking sense but it looks cool as shit"

[cinder wraith]

why is the new custodes model small???

dorf

tiny

[jaunty dawn]

yeah its

not great

melta lance is cool though

for ref

new big mek is really cool

but not sure how I feel about it potentially replacing kff big meks entirely

[jaunty dawn]

kinda feel like this guys niche is already in the megamek

like I like the fact the big mek is just some guy

and how that changes the dynamic of a mek led mob

this guy feels more like a warboss but with mek stuff

but its also still really cool so

[junior robin]

oh no I just realised how I could do a ork "knight" army : convert deathkilla wartrikes into mechs

and I could use sentinels to make nobs on warbike mechs

[jaunty dawn]

I mean

nauts

are kinda keq

[junior robin]

true, but they dont have a leader and sadly the mechadread lost that a while ago

would also be fun to convert looted tau suits into the speedy cars

[jaunty dawn]

my dad made deathkopters from tau suits

[junior robin]

me too 😌 🤝

just cut a hole where the head are stuck a ork toros out of it.

want to loot a stormsurge but its too small for a stompa yet to big for naut

[jaunty dawn]

mmm :T

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1b47yqp/late_heresy_word_bearers_vexilla_wip/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

this is cool

makes the new mkiii head look awesome too

[cloud flicker]

https://youtu.be/yDh_aoyZT38?si=EAMDvxqYhTW_nkE7

TL;DW: smelly game.

[upper bluff]

That's the most badass looking Ork of all time

Everyone else borders on silly but he's so serious

[junior robin]

well it does come with a sillier head option which is fortunate for me since I'm not that much into the kruelboyz look

also weapon options?! in 40k?! 😱

(bit tempted to resculpt the hand so it holds the handle for the extra arm and mount the tiny wrench head on it instead of the drill)

[topaz elk]

Game where you play as a chaos cultist stuck in the eye of chaos on a planet where death is forbidden

You’re trying to reach the apex of the planet where the gods have promised rewards to the first champion to reach it

[junior robin]

even more hardmode idea: you play as a grot.

[topaz elk]

The return of chaos orks

[pastel rampart]

Looks like that guy from Lost Highway

https://tenor.com/view/mystery-man-lost-highway-gif-19261320

[upper canopy]

Counter

You can transport your mek in one of the Nauts

He just gets out when his ride blows up

[junior robin]

that is true and it would save me 35 points

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/02/warhammer-world-anniversary-gunnar-brand-leads-the-oathbound-into-the-mortal-realms/

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1213513290269851669/GHrF_CjWYAAxNTr.png?ex=65f5bf52&is=65e34a52&hm=7350d6b4dba6bfce09c55f82af86c40151a2492694f75d9ddb9dfb3daa11d213&

BEEF

[bright dove]

Beef

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/EaterOfBrushes/status/1763929526269063563

[upper canopy]

Plus what's more orky then having your giant robot blown up and getting out and beating the guy who did it to death

[junior robin]

it is a bit sad though that the trike dont have a aura abillity and can only boost units of bikes that it joins

[upper bluff]

Idk much about the reveals and stuff are these for fantasy or age of sigmar?

[junior robin]

age of sigmar I think, though I dont know where they got these screenshots since they are not in the video on the community site 🤔

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/gJHHTzZLiSxB6DD/status/1763930091745415384 It appears to be a leak.

[junior robin]

[pastel rampart]

Given the japanese subtitles, might've been ripped from the japanese site.

[topaz elk]

What are these guys for?

[still warren]

Age of Sigmar

Probably slaves to darkness, from the description it seems like it's meant to be a chaos united/ non aligned faction

[bright dove]

Definitely Droakath

[sweet solar]

oh my god gnomes are just white goblins

[bold halo]

goots

wait it's a blood bowl team?

he is speed

[naive abyss]

I'm so here for darkoath stuff

They are such a cool take on chaos undivided

[floral herald]

These fuckin rule

I was wondering why all the warhammer people I see on twitter were suddenly foxposting

[naive abyss]

@untold swallow @last jewel

Also darkoath slot so well into my homebrew warband so I'm big vibing

[floral herald]

Ok AoS chaos officially has my attention

I really don't know if I'll ever get into it as a game but I do have a fairly narrowed down list of factions I'd go for haha

[proud wing]

to be fair, most of the issues are technical stuff that could easily be caused by the port

and he did choose to look at the PC version, which was much worse received

now I kinda want to try playing the PS2 version to see if it's different

[untold swallow]

Vibe

[proud wing]

oh he does address that at the end

[naive abyss]

Tbh it's also just bizarre in some ways in terms of lore

Like you're a fire warrior but eighty percent of the weapons you use in game are imperial lol

[junior robin]

sounds like they picked up some proper battle tactics from the orks

[proud wing]

that's not nearly as bizarre as one standard tau warrior taking on dozens of space marines

and then getting recruited into the ultramarines

i think letting the protagonist use weapons they wouldn't normally use in order to let the player use their favorite warhammer weapons in an FPS for the first time is a perfectly acceptable decision, in theory

[naive abyss]

Last time I do this. Just a difference in her upper body size between the two. Which do y'all prefer?

[valid brook]

On the right imho, feels more proportionate overall

[naive abyss]

man ngl the weird ass darkoath daemon is maybe the coolest daemon gw has made in a while

and other than belakor and sorta the torments i think its more or less the only example of undivided daemon we have?

unless we count vashtorr too

[floral herald]

more fucked up looking daemons yesss

[naive abyss]

i love how lanky it is

[storm schooner]

Love them, they're great

[naive abyss]

it almost makes me think of a piece of oldhammer art for skin wolves

i adore this take on skin wolves btw

[still warren]

I assume it's a demon but unsure if it's a new skaven demon as part of their refresh

[naive abyss]

its not skaven its darkoath

skaven usually as a rule only have verminlords in terms of daemons

[still warren]

Oh you're right didn't know if it was being shown off as dueling factions considering these are some leaks

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/gJHHTzZLiSxB6DD/status/1763930091745415384

it was an accidental leak done by gw lol

or well maybe "accidental"

[past sphinx]

FUCK YES FUCK YES FUCK YES FUCK YES

[sweet solar]

tempting me to strip and repaint my old nightgoblins as whitegoblin gnomes

model little hats onto all the spideriders spiders

[naive abyss]

theres actually an stl range for that lol

https://vxtwitter.com/WarpMiniatures/status/1730502173589418271?t=LrD3Y7Skj8vcqf_haHxvsQ&s=19

[pastel rampart]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-battle-for-shroom-pass-monopose-gnome-army-335720

[pastel rampart]

Slowly but surely.

[naive abyss]

nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PhW_hcWP8I

somewhat random but how like hard would it be to add the sponsons to the solar leman?

that or how much of a hamstring of their usefulness without sponsons in 40k would they be?

[pastel rampart]

Probably as simple as just gluing the sponsons on. Maybe shaving some spots, but that's easy with it being plastic and all.

[naive abyss]

mm mm

like ultimately in my case i mostly collect so its not that big a deal but figured id ask on it lol

[naive abyss]

though this has some creative ways to add "sponsons"

[pastel rampart]

GW scale, while out of whack of most other companies, is usually internally consistent. IG/SA vehicles seem pretty compatable with each other as they're around the same size.

[naive abyss]

mm mm

honestly its ultimately me debating which look i prefer with lemans

cuz both no sponson and with sponson appeal to me

man i love the darkoath being this contrast of sorta maybe normal barbarian warriors but with weirdness here and there visually and in lore. but then they have scrungly as fuck daemons and sorcerers undivided that look like this

like this lady is so scrungly

[bright dove]

Sometimes you gotta be a scrunglo

[naive abyss]

like this is just continuing the trend of fantasy/aos has the coolest undivided chaos rep ngl

i hope that also with darkoath coming theyll juice up the rules for going undivided instead of it just generally being a worse option than choosing a god aligned blessing

[bright dove]

Hey, the cults and the like are still good for Undivided too.

[naive abyss]

the cults? ill fully admit i dont know undivided rules for aos that well

[bright dove]

OK, so Slaves to Darkness has a ton of Battleline options, some of which are specific cults.

[naive abyss]

by cults do mean aligned units? or like the various like models that started of in another system like the cypher lords?

cuz to be clear my homebrew warband is militantly undivided and opposed to the gods

so id just find it cool to have rules to support that better

[tepid stratus]

The cults being the warcry warbands like the cypher lords, which are all undivided by default in the rules and if memory serves only a specific sub faction can give them aligned marks but it's been a while since I've read through the book

But basically they all have the cultist keyword for rules purposes

[naive abyss]

fair

tbh while thats fair allot of the cults are obviously alligned but gw for some reason decided to throw them in slaves

like cypher lords not being tzeentch disciples range infantry is criminal ngl

[tepid stratus]

Seems they only want one hard aligned cultist unit per god, so tzeench gets the jades.

[naive abyss]

also i just realized i think the idea with the new mek is its a jury rigged up piece of votann einhyr armor

it even has a like charge booster array thing on its back

[naive abyss]

oh did they add those to disciples?

thats something at least

[tepid stratus]

yeah disciples have the jade obelisk, khorne has the hounds, nurgle has the rotmire and we haven't gotten the slaanesh warband yet

[naive abyss]

wait i just checked the discciples listing range

are they not listed there as of yet? and just stated to be usable by disciples?

[tepid stratus]

They're technically sold in the warcry section because they're only packaged as a warcry product. But they're in the disciples army list

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[bright dove]

I will say that the big benefit that Slave to Darkness Undivided units have is all being eligible for Eye of the Gods.

Which for basic units is 1d6+2 with a reroll

[naive abyss]

mm mm

ill fully grant this is me talking from knowing more how it works in like 40k and fantasy

where going undivided more or less is always less useful than an aligned blessing of some kind

[bright dove]

It shakes out relatively OK for AoS

[tepid stratus]

in aos goin undivided is a gamble, because it's main benefit is giving them the eye of the gods rule that normally only heroes get. It can be good because some of the buffs are insane like flat +1 rend but sometimes you'll earn a roll on the table and get heal d3 wounds while at full health

[bright dove]

That is indeed the gamble.

But most aside from Nothing or Heal 1d3 wounds are quite worthwhile for units.

Like a 2+ "Ignore the next spell an enemy casts on you"

Or a permanent +1 to charge rolls.

And it's a pretty easy gamble to manage.

The real limitation is that you need enemy heroes and monsters to kill.

But yeah, it's perfectly viable to get a Darkoath army going.

And reap the benefits of the Eye of the Gods.

[naive abyss]

oh they get to roll on a random benefit table each round or something?

cuz if so i really like that ngl

[naive abyss]

oh it wouldnt just be darkoath the warband has chaos warriors and etc too

its the one i plan to try to do this count as archaon conversion for lol

[tepid stratus]

Every time they steal an objective from an opponent or kill an enemy hero or monster. There's also a spell that forces a roll and chosen and exalted champions get a free roll at the start of the game

[naive abyss]

gotcha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojG-43RUuyY

[tepid stratus]

He's gonna need a much bigger base, Archaon's base is huge

[naive abyss]

she and yeah fair

ultimately im not too fussed cuz im more intersted in making the conversion

[tepid stratus]

bit expensive but maybe geta mega gargant kit and pad out the base with a gargant she's slaying or diving onto?

[naive abyss]

and honeslty of the two systems im more into old world mechanically so i can just maybe have a bigger base to slap her onto when not using her as a lord on chaos dragon

i really like the terrain shes ont as is ngl lol

also keeps her enemy agnostic if that makes sense

[tepid stratus]

yeah i get it

[naive abyss]

pete the wargammer also did a great conversion of it

[bright dove]

Completely understandable

[naive abyss]

cuz that terrain looks very chaosy painted right ngl

[tepid stratus]

it does look like a broken 8 pointed star on the shattered arch

[naive abyss]

ye

i still love my warlord ladies name and the dragons name

[tepid stratus]

You can't just say that and not share lol

[naive abyss]

im copying out of the fluff doc as we speak lol

Hellehild "The Burning Butcher" Blackhammer wields the hammer Faith-Breaker. Her draconic steed is Witchtooth the Wyrd.

[bright dove]

I miss Chaos dragons in AoS

[naive abyss]

same

[tepid stratus]

Witchtooth goes hard

[naive abyss]

their name is that cuz their teeth have been corrupted by warpstone consumption to be sorta green/glowy

and warp stone is also called witchstone and wyrdstone

hence witchtooth the wyrd

im also sorta proud of the hammer name

cuz its cool but also like on tin states the mission statement of the warband lol

[bright dove]

Indeed it does.

Excellent naming.

[naive abyss]

also fun fact the burn butcher title is reflective of both her origins and the fact that any who survive their battles with the warband either take the brand or in the case of aligned or those who refuse the brand put in the pyre

cuz the warbands whole thing is they all get a rune of pure undivided chaos branded on them once they become a chaos warrior or are warrior from another band who accepts the teachings. the rune when first put on sorta wracks the person in like weird black fire and afterwards the brand always glows with burning residual heat. they are also near always in their armor and some never take it off. it also is said that their eyes glowing with like baleful red fire.

[pastel rampart]

Took me a minute to realize he just cut the head and neck in half and sculpted everything else.

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

though its not the base dragons head

its like war hydra necks and another dragons head i think

i forget which

[pastel rampart]

Well, one of the heads is the base dragon head at least.

Actually, looking the base model over, it's both sides of the head. Which hey maybe he bought two heads. Can definitely see the hydra for the necks tho.

https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120212008_KharibdyssWarHydra01.jpg?fm=webp&w=920&h=948 Could hoenstly just use these heads on a chaos dragon and it wouldn't look out of place.

[quaint compass]

It's pretty neat that Galrauch became the typical Chaos Dragon thanks to Total Warhammerer

[pastel rampart]

To be fair he was the only chaos dragon model available for a long time.

Now they kinda have uh...none.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1213657861335552010/GHtVr9nacAAE7BL.jpg?ex=65f645f6&is=65e3d0f6&hm=461012d53fa42c338687580f7a23a4cfce49514ec7f5af1e83a6f25fb0672145&

[topaz elk]

Honestly though

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662Dq0adlGs

i think the head comes in two halves and he just cut at them to fit with the hyrda necks

[upper canopy]

https://twitter.com/haultrukkz/status/1763820354185646496

Boss Haultrukkz (@haultrukkz) on X

Twitter · Mar 2, 2024, 6:55 AM

[pastel rampart]

Ah, actually right at 2:57 he mentions one of the heads comes from the stormdrake guard kit.

Which coulda fooled me, honestly.

[naive abyss]

ah ok

i misremembered

[proud wing]

I know every single tau player has been saying this for years already

but they really need to make minis for more tau races

or at least have rules for putting militarium troops in tau armies

[past sphinx]

bring back the alliance chart but only for tau

[past sphinx]

you know its really begun to bug me just how passive a lot of GW sculpts art

like say

this lad aint really doin anything

its like hes presenting his kit to the class

"yeh heres mah axe and ma combi bolta"

compared to say kharns model who is absolutely hittin da brick towards a dude

old Vets had some great lines in their sculpts

i love Morty's model but hes also just kinda standing there ableit on wings

[floral herald]

I mean…

[past sphinx]

even there Blanche has him laying down the hate from the hip

witch is rad as fuck instead of kinda standin there

[zinc field]

What really hurts me is how knights are monopose. The new cerastus kits fix it, but unless you're willing to cut up the legs on armigers and questoris (questores?), then your army of centerpiece models is going to look like a lazy copy+paste job

[past sphinx]

I do think crowes model is quite good for this though

his sword leads the pose, chest and arms swingin in behind, still somewhat passive but obviously enguaged and in motion

also a back banner because back banners are cool

[past sphinx]

boy those legs stopped me from buying another knight

[floral herald]

Crowe’s posing is excellent

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/minimum_pants/status/1764017849352257670

[jaunty dawn]

seems like darkoath are fully replacing the marauders stuff

which is pretty dope

they already had a bunch of cool stuff

now they're like an entire subfaction

[upper canopy]

Yeah they're new norsca

[quaint compass]

Newsca

[pulsar cairn]

Make it fight the rat hydra

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/rnrqkq123/status/1764245386439405897

[past sphinx]

Iron warrior tiddy plate hurts me

[spice flicker]

A friend who is trying to get into genestealers asked me about which baneblade variant to go with and after picking the banesword wanted me to ask you all what you thought of his list?

1995/2000 points

Abominant
Patriarch, warlord

3x10 Neophyte Hybrids (one flamer, grenade launcher, mining laser, and seismic cannon per squad)

1x5 Aberrants
10x purestrain genestealers

2x Achilles Ridgerunners (heavy mining laser, one with survey augur and other with spotter)
3x5 Atalan Jackals
2x Goliath Rockgrinder

Banesword (5x twin heavy bolter, 4x lascannon, quake cannon)

[proud wing]

even with the banesword that feels like way less than 1995 points

[spice flicker]

Patriarch (85)
Abominant (75)
3 squads of neophytes (270)
3 squads of Jackals (270)
2 ridgerunners (170)
2 Rockgrinders (310)
Double sized genestealers (150)
5 abberants (185)
Banesword (480)

1995 points

[proud wing]

huh nvm

[spice flicker]

Yeah and any feedback I can pass along?

[thin ibex]

Test GK crusade list

[spice flicker]

Honestly I'd split the 10x terminator into two squads of 5 (with apothecary) and maybe consider swapping the dreadnought+inquistor for another squad of termies.

[thin ibex]

I like it, there's enough presence to cover map control and the rock grinders compromise hard targeting the banesword. Biggest thing to consider is that map LoS lanes will be a deciding factor on the influence of the banesword

[spice flicker]

I'll pass that along

[thin ibex]

I'm somewhat in agreement with the split of the termies except that they are a much better receptacle of stratagems as a big block. The Inquisitor is the warlord for the crusade, so he's staying, and the dread is another lascannon that is also giving the anti infantry artillery of the purgation squad rr1 on hit and wound

[spice flicker]

I see

[spice flicker]

My friend was surprised at the good reception to the list and I quote: "I'm actually surprised by the feedback I expected a lot more why? I was just having fun trying to make a more mechanized genestealer cult"

[solemn gull]

Has anyone ever run a rpg campaign set in the horus heresy?

[spice flicker]

Nope but I'd be interested

In joining that is

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this DE list from someone who never brainstormed for them before?

DE 1995/2000
Skysplinter Assault

Drazhar
Archon (warlord, blast pistol, phantasmal smoke)
Archon (blast pistol, sadistic fulcrum)

3x10 kaballite warriors (dark lance each) (fulcrum achron with one squad
2x10 incubi (warlord archon in one squad with Drazhar in other)
1x5 mandrakes
2x5 scourges (all dark lances)

2x3 reavers (grav talon, heat lance each squad)

2x ravagers (3x dark lances each)
1x Tantalus (warlord squad hitching a ride)
3x raider (dark lance each) (two kabalite and remaining incubi in these)

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4inrqvdlc

ngl this really is selling me on the new solar leman

it also helps i forgot krieg pattern tanks didnt have sponsons too

so theres precedent for a no sponson leman regiment

[jaunty dawn]

ye

they're a thing

[naive abyss]

yeah i sometimes forget the mars alpha is like that kind of leman and its still used lol

[jaunty dawn]

some differences on the modern mars alpha but yeah

[naive abyss]

the big thing is i also like that it has recoil wedges on its ass

[jaunty dawn]

they're trench rails!

they're so you don't fall into a trench going over

[naive abyss]

right trenchers not recoil rails

mm mm

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah I like them a lot

[naive abyss]

which def fits krieg and i feel fits my napoleonic regiment fighting a grinding defense against nids lol

[jaunty dawn]

gonna pick one up for my cult one day

[naive abyss]

nice

but yeah ive been becoming tempted to use solars as the basis for my homebrew regiment lol

[jaunty dawn]

I do like that

[naive abyss]

im conflicted betwen the two translations of my scheme ngl lol

though im somewhat inclined more to blue armor

cuz i want the tanks to be blue

and makes the gas mask blend in less lol

though honestly if the krieg rumors are true they probably are gonna win the competition here lol

cuz this would just practically be directly napoleonic in space lol

and itd probably be easy to do the headswaps id have to do lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think the krieg bodies are the best overall yeah

[naive abyss]

yeah. they, including the cadians, have their own appeals but theyre the most overt for it

so just gotta wait and see if the rumors of a wave of krieg stuff is true or not lol

the cadian based version of the regiment btw

[dense sedge]

Chaos undivided mutants are great

[naive abyss]

ye

[zinc field]

I think I did worse on the second pauldron, ugh

Call me scientific research because I’m having a replication crisis

[naive abyss]

in general my fave kind of chaos i think is like subtle but still its just as weird once you start looking at the details lol

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/PeteTheWargamer/status/1707338684691849347

this conversion is still kickass

[unreal cosmos]

A lotta people like using Saurus models for Tarellian Dog Soldiers

also my brain kept telling me that the name was Talaxian but that's Neelix

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/1b5ubd4/wip_votann_projects/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[unreal cosmos]

ooo, nice stuff

[proud wing]

i'm a bit surprised you can find so much craft stuff to post about a faction that has like 10 official models

[naive abyss]

the lov subreddit is fairly active and creative tbh

theres allot of love for the space dorfs out there

[jaunty dawn]

the fact there's so few means you gotta get creative to have a unique force

[naive abyss]

that too

[jaunty dawn]

but also just cult following

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

like ngl the lov subreddit has had some of the most ground level consistent creativity ive seen in terms of conversions and kitbashes

like i feel it says allot that lov are still healthily popular even after nerfs and no real additional support/media for them

[ocean garnet]

lov looks like a cool faction

[naive abyss]

they cool ye

but im fairly obviusly biased lol

[pastel rampart]

I think it's because they only have 10 models that people get crafty with'em.

[ocean garnet]

i heard wargaming gets pretty pricey to get into lol

[floral herald]

its true

[proud wing]

it's actually not as expensive as you'd think

on ebay you can get a pretty good 3D printer designed for miniatures refurbished for under $100

[ocean garnet]

never tried it before, but hey the option is there

[pastel rampart]

Getting into wargame can be cheap if you're playing on Tabletop Sim.

[proud wing]

there is also Moonbreaker!

[pastel rampart]

If you want the models and such, there's a whole buncha options available now that weren't really around even 5 years ago.

[proud wing]

a very good virtual tabletop wargame made by a small passionate team

[topaz elk]

https://youtu.be/FqP09DaOS2Q?si=0T-MOxUAamYwSxsm

DOOMRIDER

[soft willow]

I miss Doomrider

[uneven ember]

DOOMRIDER

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/OG5zgg

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Evnb4n

[thin ibex]

I think... there's no way to avoid that wargaming is an expensive hobby, but it's more affordable now than it has been to get into

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/9E92kW

[junior summit]

there are ways to mitigate it i.e. third party/3d printing/casting but even if you're not getting an airbrush paint and brushes get expensive fast

plus tools, random basing materials, etc

[naive abyss]

it also depends on the like goal you have

for me the like massive upfront cost isnt really a thing really

cuz im a hobbyist and collector more than anything so im not worried about getting a whole ass army done up lol

so i can grab a box of minis i like from time to time or etc

probably the most upfront ill have is once i have the space to setup an actual space for painting and etc

cuz ill need to get a few bigger ticket items and etc

[pulsar cairn]

Question

If the imperium splits

Would it make things easier for chaos or would it be about the same?

Asking cause the imperium is already decentralized

Also consider that none of the factions that came from that are pro chaos

[jaunty dawn]

depends really I think

if the new imperiums are fighting each other maybe easier

[pulsar cairn]

Which they probably would tbh

[jaunty dawn]

yup

while the imperium is pretty decentralised to an extent the centralisation is part of what made imperium secundus a successful divide and conquer strategy for chaos

so even though the two halves of the imperium now are still allied Nihilus was caught without the resources that radiate from Terra

whereas if resources were more distributed they'd probably be doin better over there

[pulsar cairn]

The Lion went there to give them a hand right?

I dont think that will turn the tide but it's better than nothing

[jaunty dawn]

that's where he showed up yeah afaik

[ebon forge]

So apparently in the newest Ork book is confirmed
Dark Eldar aren't ||all born bastards||
||And are gender fluid||

[pulsar cairn]

the problem with dark eldar is their fricking system

Much like the imperium

[unreal cosmos]

Go ooon

[pulsar cairn]

Hi Genome

[ebon forge]

They literally change ||their entire body gender because they feel like it, or to fit into a rank, like succubi can only be female, so a male Drukari can undergo surgery to go full female||

[pulsar cairn]

Let me guess

The process is painful on purpose?

[unreal cosmos]

That all tracks

[ebon forge]

Didn't specify

[bright dove]

I am willing to bet Craftworlders could do the same

[ebon forge]

but about that, some Drukhari ||Don't like being edgy lords that cause pain to others so they need to trick themselves into liking it for their own survival||

[ebon forge]

100%
Or that concept is not important enough for them

[pulsar cairn]

i imagine some of those just try to leave and become a corsair

[jaunty dawn]

pretty sure the passage directly compares it to howling banshees and other aspects

[bright dove]

||I imagine it comes up when it's time to walk the Howling Banshee path||

[ebon forge]

oh yeah that

.
F-
Femboy banshees? /j

[bright dove]

Actually are a thing, usually from Autrachs who learn the path

[ebon forge]

Fucking elfs ||nice||

no, but yeah, from all the places to get new Drukhari lore
It's from a MIke Brooks book
About the Orks
10/10

[pine matrix]

I wonder if we'll get any new models or refreshes when the new codex comes out

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/04/introducing-warhammer-relics-the-official-warhammer-merchandise-festival/

I hope we get some dwarf weapon props

[spice parcel]

A primarch that can teleport would probably do a lot to turn the tides imo

[pulsar cairn]

galaxy so beeg tho

i hope he does tho

imperium aint good but chaos is worse .w.

[naive abyss]

Wait all of them are fluid?

[naive abyss]

I mean while cool sorta that is more gender/sex essentialism

Gender fluid would be an amab deldar joining up saying "I'm a girl just like y'all" and the group going "yass queen" lol

[spice parcel]

||I mean... No one is born a bastard, but when being the worst is the only thing keeping "she who rips out your soul and drinks it forever in the worst pain physically possible for all of time and space" from doing his thing to you... You rapidly become the worst||

[naive abyss]

Or them not having gender locked roles and just their style of dress varies within a certain scheme of gender presentation per group

[ebon forge]

"Fluid" as in
Changing just for the fun of it or like a fashion sense is a thing apparently

[jaunty dawn]

and they care more about the gender of whichever role they are playing than any innate sense

or somethin

[pulsar cairn]

by the way

are the drukhari okay with you joining the Ynnari?

they probably are okay with you leaving for the harlequins cause as far as i know they visit their city from time to time

they seem to have friendly relations with everyone else

[jaunty dawn]

hmm

I would assume so

on a cultural level

but individual eldar would have their own opinions abt it

[pulsar cairn]

right

i imagine the same doesnt apply to corsairs

but

it does seem like they have a choice

"choice"

it probably aint easy either way

[jaunty dawn]

I think the avg deldar would probably rank it like

harlequin > corsair > ynnari

but im not an expert

[pulsar cairn]

u think they are cool with them joining corsairs?

[jaunty dawn]

sure

but might find it weird

like. why do you want to do piracy with nerds

but corsairs generally accept the various eldar traditions

[naive abyss]

Fair. I think my core point is getting a sex change is not prerequisite to gender. I'm all here for the idea of part swapping cuz that's plenty enbies or the likes vibe. Including myself lol

[jaunty dawn]

trans themes written by cis authors baggage lol

[naive abyss]

Yeah

[ebon forge]

Fair, also portuguese fucks up a bit about sex/gender meaning

that's why most of the time i default in using male pronouns

[naive abyss]

Fair I do know that can be tricky with some languages. I just wanted to sorta mention due to sex and gender kinda being treated as analogous a bit. Apologies if I came on strong.

[ebon forge]

no worries! It's important to separate the two and enforce that

[naive abyss]

Hell I'm southern and struggle to stop defaulting to "ma'am" and "sir" when talking in polite company/to workers so I get it lol

[ebon forge]

What is the correct to default tho ?

[jaunty dawn]

it also really depends on who's even enforcing these gender rules

[naive abyss]

Hm? Well in English Im trying to retrain myself to more gender neutral language for people I don't know the pronouns for. "Them" "the worker" "their actual name"

[jaunty dawn]

like is it like "wyches will not respect a succubus without some type of boobage" or is it "there's a secret eldar gender police who dissapear you if you are a gender deviant"

cause it's not necessarily progressive just because it's different to western gender binary type thing

[naive abyss]

Cuz like especially with workers I just try to drop the "yes ma'am/sir" and say thank you

[ebon forge]

never said it was progressive, just found interesting how they are "Fluid" in that way

[naive abyss]

Cuz the gender language is sorta just tacked on southernism

[jaunty dawn]

nah ik Mizu dw

[naive abyss]

For sure

[ebon forge]

Oh thank ya

[thin ibex]

I do wonder if, for the drukhari, gender presentation for the different sub groups is intentionally performative for the individual

[jaunty dawn]

I think all gender is performative for all eldar tbh

[thin ibex]

Yeah that's valid

[naive abyss]

But like the reality is ultimately not a big deal usually cuz it's an obvious harmless accidental misgender

[jaunty dawn]

like harlequins exemplify the eldar condition

[naive abyss]

And one Im happy to correct myself on once I'm told I did it lol

[ebon forge]

We all know the real genders are: Simulation mode and Arcade Mode after all
Silly mortal creatures

[storm schooner]

The real Genders are Warrior and Immortal

[pulsar cairn]

yeah i do that too

[ebon forge]

OI! What about the Wizards?!

[jaunty dawn]

it's also like while a human understanding of gender might consider most of the aspects male eldar might be confused by that

[naive abyss]

Cuz ideally it's not like anyone non cis expects zero mistakes just that when politely corrected an individual doesn't turn it into a fight and just course corrects lol

[jaunty dawn]

but unfortunately I don't see a super interesting exploration of that any time soon in canon works haha

[storm schooner]

Wizards arent real, I hold no recognition of a Psychic phase only of the Plasma Phase

[pulsar cairn]

what do the orks think of that

[naive abyss]

Anyways sorry for rambling on

[ebon forge]

Fucking T'au player

[jaunty dawn]

we have at least one example of an Ork getting kinda frustrated that humans assume they're men

[ebon forge]

do tell

[thin ibex]

You called? XD

[naive abyss]

Orks having no concept of gender is great

[ebon forge]

They are Mushroom

[storm schooner]

Both of those are refrences to Necrons!

[ebon forge]

oh! Huh

[thin ibex]

Orks gender is unary iirc, the gender is ork

[storm schooner]

Although I'm pretty sure the Plasma phase is actually gone in 10th
(the plasma phase is what I call the Plasmancers ability that lets it do mortal wounds essentially between the shooting and psychic phase)

[ebon forge]

Being a Ork BOI does not mean male , just mean ur part of the WAAAGH

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/tyessl/exerpt_ghazghkull_thraka_prophet_of_the_waaagh/

[ebon forge]

on da best side, of course

[thin ibex]

Out krumpin with the lads isn't gendered in orkoid culture

[jaunty dawn]

it's a bit clumsy again

[storm schooner]

The closest thing orks would have to gender is like being a mek or painboi probably

[ebon forge]

" From now on, Ghazghkull is a he, whether it makes sense or not.’ "

[thin ibex]

Though actually is ork language just like... cockney English and the Imperium has to translate it to low or high Gothic?

[ebon forge]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ork_Language not really

[jaunty dawn]

it's like how rural japanese dialects get localised as southern american ones

[ebon forge]

This section is great

[thin ibex]

So I'm familiar with the ork writing but they have a distinct way of speaking

That apparently is pretty understandable

To anyone they talk to

[jaunty dawn]

when they can be understood I'm pretty sure they are actually speaking low gothic

[thin ibex]

ah fair

[ebon forge]

" Ah, finally we realise why the Mechanicus aren't able to understand Ork tech.

It's Nonbinary. "'

[thin ibex]

I just figure it's a contrivance to allow the trading of insults

And taunting

[jaunty dawn]

probably

they might like

copy the language of whatever planet they grow up on

tbf

and treat actual orkish as more of an interclan language

[thin ibex]

"Orks can talk to humans and Eldar and so on because we don't want to deal with a language barrier on practical terms. "

Is a thought that fits the surface level elements of warhammer to me

[jaunty dawn]

I like the idea of you then finding that one clan that budded on an exodite world that speak Low Aeldari

and imperials just being confused

[ebon forge]

'Low Aeldari'
An Eldar would cringe itself to death by hearing someone butcher their language like that and I love it

[thin ibex]

A lazy thought I just had is the idea that orks are understood because they collectively expect to be understood when they speak

[jaunty dawn]

and then snakebites are weird cause they speak orkish casually

[thin ibex]

I honestly really enjoy that they have snakebites some army building love with the beast snagga collection

[jaunty dawn]

I think it would make sense cause orks would need to integrate into whatever command they were deployed in yknow

[thin ibex]

My first ork crusade was orks themed

Uh

Brain

Snakebites themed

Was gonna rock a gargantuan squiggoth eventually

[ebon forge]

Sometimes they short circuit, yes

[thin ibex]

"Yes storm, I fully believe that your orks crusade was in fact orks themed"

[ebon forge]

I mean I don't know
Maybe is an full Grots themed

[bright dove]

Hey, it ouldve been killa kan themed.

[thin ibex]

I do want to do a dread mob themed army or crusade sometime

Though the orky dread is only ok as far as meta goes yeah?

[bright dove]

Yep.

[jaunty dawn]

dread mob is my fav

followed closely by snakebite

but the old dread mob army list is just perfection to me

Spanna Boyz

also the original home of the Pain Boss

[ebon forge]

I just feel bad for weird boyz
They deserve to be happy but must live with eternal headache

[jaunty dawn]

actually I kinda wonder if the mekboy junka with a shokk attack gun is the inspiration for the shokkjump dragsta

[ebon forge]

Probably

The existence of Mekboys make admech nerds cry and i love it

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/04/darkoath-army-set-meet-the-dark-mirror-of-the-cities-of-sigmar/

[jaunty dawn]

niceeee

[naive abyss]

Fuck yeah they just showed it and didn't ignore the leak

Also to necro the eldar gender topic. I've always felt the aspects are some kind of gender for them. In a cool very self ascribed way lol

this is probably my hands down fave non character or greater daemon

Also the lore is kick ass

[bright dove]

Ye, it's a rad model too

[naive abyss]

Cuz it's like did not daemon

[bright dove]

And Darkoath units are generally good

[naive abyss]

Like they're human sapient like daemon things

[bright dove]

They're basically Spawn in that it's a punishment

[naive abyss]

And the fact they're like pseudo honored by their tribes even though they're also outcasts is great

Big like weird ritualism vibes

The new marauders look so much better

And now undivided are fully coed modeled Hell yeah

[bright dove]

I once again love the variety of worship the gods get in AoS

[naive abyss]

Yeah it's a nice continuation of how fantasy did it

[jaunty dawn]

bunch of these solved

[naive abyss]

And why I just way prefer chaos in those two compared to 40k

I love her

These are gonna be a great way to diversify my warband

Flavor them as acolytes to the brand of pure chaos

Ooo and the fiends are those who fail to endure the branding

@untold swallow look at the fire Im spitting lol

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1214230854214225971/99120201052_ChaosMarauders01.png?ex=65f85b9a&is=65e5e69a&hm=fbf0fdc0dd8ad6ace978b59500da1bc3eadd9a74dc19bfa424d3fd28bfcb5647&

huge glowup from the old sculpts

[naive abyss]

Yup

Coed now too

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-food-eating-delicious-gif-17845265

[pastel rampart]

As much as I love old sculpts I never liked the marauders.

Bitz and pieces were good, but the models as a whole just felt off.

[naive abyss]

Mm mm

Tbh I'm just here for gw recently enabling my dumb ass homebrew ideas lol

[naive abyss]

Man now I'm thinking how it'd be cool to model fire onto the fiends

To really sell the fires of chaos thing

[pastel rampart]

Reminds me I need to make some chaos spawn.

[unreal cosmos]

I like how the article is just all "look at these hotties"

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/theminiaturista/status/1764361623496425684

[naive abyss]

I mean it's accurate lol

[glossy vapor]

I know a lot of people have made this point, but I'm thinking again about how the covenant would make a bomb ass 40k army. Their motivations and societal arc are very similar to the imperium, but it's up to personal taste whether you see that as sameness or a interesting parralel/foil.

[topaz elk]

Honestly in a 40k context they kinda are just, more religious tau

Like they’re the same idea of an expansionist alien empire made up of several alien species

Just instead of a non theological guiding ideology they have a theological one

[naive abyss]

I mean tbh that's just tau more or less I feel yeah

[naive abyss]

It's also starting to be theological

[glossy vapor]

I feel like taking the polar opposite ideologies of tau and modern imperium and smashing them together could lead to interesting stories.

[topaz elk]

I mean that’s just warp fuckery

The greater good by itself isn’t a religion

But the warp kinda, fucks with any belief system

[naive abyss]

I mean auxiliaries have shrines to the goddess

Like a goddess of the greater good is starting to be a thing

[topaz elk]

True but that’s not the mainstream Tau belief

[naive abyss]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Goddess_T'au'va

[topaz elk]

Where the covenant is expressly a religious empire

Their priests are the highest ranking members

[naive abyss]

Hence starting to become theological

Cuz it's very popular in the atoll aux and shadowsun has begrudgingly voiced support for the shrines existing

Like I'm not trying to say it's one to one to the covenant to be clear

But theology is definitely cropping up in the tau empire

https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/s/wvODHrtHpa

Still really like this depiction

[thin ibex]

My hope is that it didn't become a major Tau theme enough to be a mechanic, and that narratively it remains a strong friction point

I would not be particularly enamored with the next-in-line theologically dogmatic empire

I think it's good narrative texture, I just don't want it to be the meat and potatoes, so to speak

[naive abyss]

I mean the tau are already ideologically dogmatic

So some level of theology is just shifting the words used

But I do find it more interesting as contentious

It's why I like shadowsuns whole thing with it

[thin ibex]

While true, I think theologically dogmatic factions are already a dime a dozen and well represented in the Imperium and chaos

I'd be less than interested in, say, SoB 2.0 embodied in the Tau

Or like... the Tau Templars Sept on permanent Sphere Expansion

Heck part of the reason we get the tau va entity is that it's dogmatic attitudes imported from largely imperial populations

[naive abyss]

I mean theological dogma doesn't immediately translate to how chaos or the iom behave

[naive abyss]

I mean no it's literally caused by psychic auxies believing really hard in the greater good

[thin ibex]

Right, the psychically active ones, the majority of which appear to be human, on account of the entity manifesting with body mostly shaped like a tau and human, with additions from other member species

That and the 4th sphere expansion ended up in Imperial space

[naive abyss]

I mean the big contributor is noted as things like the psychic mushrooms

[thin ibex]

But in any event my greater point is that I don't think adding a theological layer adds more than it takes from the Tau narrative when the setting has a fair saturation of theologically inclined factions within its two "main" factions. I don't think they need it

[naive abyss]

I mean they don't cuz more or less they already have it

[thin ibex]

There is a difference between there being some mention of a singular warp entity and adding an entire theological layer to the faction as a whole

[naive abyss]

Like imo with tau it's a difference in semantics and presentation

I mean their ideology is like religious enforced political atheism

[thin ibex]

I for one think the largely secular nature of the Tau empire is somewhat interesting in the face of their foes

[naive abyss]

I mean agree

Like I don't perse want them buying in cuz I like the internal conflict

Just I also think if they did embrace how they act and present wouldn't change that much

Like they already had/have a not pope/dahli lama tm

Cuz allot of tau ideology evokes a sort of secular naturalist spiritualism imo

[thin ibex]

they definitely do, and i think a bit of the addition is like adding some spices to the dish, just don't want a narrative/mechanical situation of Tau having to/choosing to fall back on the god/faith card and eroding their reliance on their faith in each other and their technology

[naive abyss]

I mean I agree

[naive abyss]

This was me mostly trying to dispute this to be clear

I ultimately prefer it as part of the gumbo not the whole gumbo lol

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/04/darkoath-army-set-meet-the-dark-mirror-of-the-cities-of-sigmar/

[naive abyss]

Yeah I posted up a bit

Pretty chuffed with them Ngl

[zinc field]

I think that’s the first aos army that I genuinely vibe with

Also that wilderfiend would make a good Horus manticore kitbash

It’s got the pose and spikes. Just needs mech-y bits

[ocean garnet]

think i see myself picking this up

[ebon forge]

YES

My trash mech

[solemn gull]

I find it funny how it’s probably the most realistically effective mech

[ebon forge]

Elaborate

oh yeah the metal skirt protects the legs the biggest weakpoint of mechs

[solemn gull]

Good centre of gravity, sloped armour skirt

Its actually big enough for its crew too

[ebon forge]

See
Ork tek is best

[proud wing]

damn

the orks are the only faction whose technology doesn't work on the "it's cool so it ignores physics" principle

[solemn gull]

Ironic

[bright dove]

They choose to ignore more fun things, like ammo counts.

[ebon forge]

And 'safety of the crew'

[topaz elk]

So how do like, mini Titan units work in 10e?

Stuff like Stompas, baneblades, and the really big Tau mech I can’t remember the name of

[bright dove]

Well enough, but usually experiencing interference from terrain.

[tired cairn]

They work just like normal units/vehicles

[topaz elk]

Ah there’s no weird rules about how and when you can put them in a list?

[tired cairn]

Not for those ones

[topaz elk]

They’re just, spend the points put it in a list?

Ok sick

[tired cairn]

The rules for Titans aren't even weird now. They just cost a lot points

[zinc field]

A friend has brought a scythed heirodule to a few games and it’s been a menace when it closes the distance

[topaz elk]

What’s that?

[zinc field]

But yeah they’re all just normal units now

Forgeworld tyranid

[topaz elk]

Oh cool

[ebon forge]

Didn't big vehicles kinda became too weak since we have an overwhelming amount of anti-vehicle units?

[proud wing]

big unit lists are always very swingy in that "if your opponent's list has a lot of meltas you probably lose, otherwise you probably win"

how likely your opponent is to have a lot of meltas depends on your local scene

[sour sequoia]

Not really - the existence of Knights demands people pack answers which means lotta dedicated antitank or fellow big motherfuckers

Monolith is still best unit in necrons

[ebon forge]

nice :3c

[sour sequoia]

So its kinda rocket tag-y and the competition is fierce but I see a lot of big vehicles & monsters getting run

[bright dove]

The existence of a Big Vehicle faction help ensure the presence of big vehicles then.

[jaunty dawn]

honestly not a huge amount of anti vehicle units

just everyone has to spam the ones that do exist

[sour sequoia]

Necrons has it pretty good but still seems to run into like. There are 3-4 real anti vehicle units but one is a monolith and the other is a named character

Meaning the sum of your options is Heavy Destroyers or Doomsday Ark after the ctan shard

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this 1000 points chaos knights list?

War dog stalker, warlord, chaincannon, slaughterclaw, aura of terror
War dog stalker, chaincannon, slaughterclaw, traitor's mark
2x war dogs brigands
2x war dogs huntsman
995/1000 points

[floral herald]

Seems pretty solid to me

I'm not a knights buff though

[soft willow]

I like it.

Seems like a solid balance.

[spice flicker]

Kinda disappointed I'd need to invested at least 220 points in a list if I ever wanted to bring the changling due to blue horrors being 125 points. I'd love to attach it to a crusade list (and would be fine with flamers as the tax) but nope only horrors for battleline and I don't really like them tbh. Also at 220 points that's easily a war dog plus enchancements I could have instead.

[floral herald]

Ok the scout armor works less badly than the power armor

[proud wing]

so how do chaos space marine legions get more members

do they just have recruitment stations set up throughout the galaxy to gather up all the stray space marines who turn to chaos

or do the chaos gods give out pamphlets with instructions on where to go to meet up with a chaos legion

[spice flicker]

Kidnapping, brainwashing, and normal astartes recruitment methods but with cultists

[thin ibex]

wait wait wait, a stompa is coming with a battleforce?

they want you to play and bring a stompa?

[quaint compass]

Regular recruitment with a chaos coat
Snatching renegades
Stealing geneseed (then #1)
Stealing from other legions/warbands

[spice flicker]

daemoncubula or however that infernal thing is spelled and I refuse to elaborate on what it is.

[proud wing]

wait do they have the technology and equipment required to just make their own??

[brittle salmon]

Its not common, but yes

The infamous Daemonculaba made by Honsou is one very wretched example, but there's others

[jaunty dawn]

elevating the winners of gladiatorial arenas

space marines are relatively easy to make

compared to making the same thing from scratch

like the real 'miracle' of gene seed is that space marines can pretty much reproduce themselves

medical knowledge is necessary, and the better your knowledge the better the results

[spice flicker]

They also have support from members of the dark mechanicum so don't forget that when it comes to supplies and technology.

[jaunty dawn]

but to an extent you can get pretty damn far just sticking it in bodies until it works

not that they have to cause ofc the traitor legions had their own apothecaries n all

[spice flicker]

Also Fabius bile probably helps quite a bit for those in his good graces concerning getting more Marines.

[jaunty dawn]

more organised ones might even have lost less knowledge that modern marines pre-primaris because of Veterans of the Long War shenanigans

[upper canopy]

Seems good for cheap

[spice flicker]

4 anti-infantry weapons, 4 big melta guns, and 4 good melee weapons spread across 6 models

Oh and 6 heavy stubbers as well as feet for melee if needed

[long void]

One of the veteran Games Workshop sculptors
https://youtu.be/4vhMow1U8-0

[jaunty dawn]

this is a great vid

[junior summit]

oh that almost looks okay

except for the oakleys and the rifle stock clipping into his collar

oh my god why is there so much clipping

and this is the promotional images too

but it's right there

[floral herald]

Augh

Space marines also look wrong without humongous chunky smgs

[junior summit]

yeah the human scale guns look like toys

also really actiblizz? can't throw a bolter together real quick?

[runic swallow]

It’s probably be broken and get a bunch of hardcore cod player mad

[junior summit]

you don't get a normal space marine skin

they're reskinned juggernauts

[proud wing]

cw blood

[junior summit]

which makes it even funnier because now the skin that they probably put the most work into isn't even permanent

[uneven ember]

Oh wow
I kinda hate this

Like I could get behind a strip mall SEAL haircut and Oakleys on a Space Marine if they were doing a bit with it

but I think that's just their character model

[naive abyss]

random but i love the darkoath death masks

[bright dove]

And the horse masks too!

[proud wing]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/595118776316461076/1214340567732068412/20240304_220353.png?ex=65f8c1c8&is=65e64cc8&hm=dacd823c1430c18295788b85cc4beb4d73d3662bdac17e4574c88e92536cfa76&

[ocean garnet]

is darkoath a new faction?

[naive abyss]

nah they are the marauders in aos

cool undivided chaos group with some of my fave chaos lore in aos ngl

cuz like they do genuinely recognize the gods are dark hungry evil things

but worship them as a font for power to survive and out of like respectful fear

all via a sorta fascinating oath system

[solemn gull]

I would kill for a AoS version of Dark Crusade

[still warren]

They're being set up as the mirror to CoS, hoping we get some new CoS units as well. Come on give them more than one artillery unit

[naive abyss]

as in dawn of war?

[thin ibex]

Tried my hand at a flavory death guard list

The idea is the knight abominant is a nurgle knight and its aura is from that

Also for fun, did a flamer orks list

Core idea is teleporting massive burna boy mobs into flamer range

[past sphinx]

Not bad for the first attempt with blue stuff

[jaunty dawn]

noice

[past sphinx]

i really want to copy my ancient librarian force halberd from the terminators

i know im never going to find a second one and dont want to butcher it

i love a gunspear

and this is like the gunspear in my head

probably the reason id collect custodes later on

[uneven ember]

is that the old Grey Knights?

[solemn gull]

its adorable

[past sphinx]

aye, 1989

like

the first grey knight

[pastel rampart]

https://twitter.com/rnrqkq123/status/1764513088928423979

Octosoup 🐙 ( COMMS CLOSED! ) (@rnrqkq123) on X

" His angels... "

Twitter · Mar 4, 2024, 4:47 AM

[proud wing]

Does this list look good?

[solemn gull]

looks like a lot to paint

[proud wing]

but just imagine the joys of getting through a single movement phase

[solemn gull]

agony

[proud wing]

honestly might not be a bad list though

if your opponent physically does not have room to stand on the objective and can't get through all your guys even if they hit every attack, what are they gonna do

[thin ibex]

Good amount of wounds on the table but blast weapons are gonna love it.

[proud wing]

i mean, you could say the exact same thing about Knights and melta weapons

[floral herald]

I feel like you might want a little more heavy stuff but most TAC lists are gunna struggle bad vs that sort of weight of bodies

[topaz elk]

Man, I want a grand battle FPS 40K game so bad

Imagine a 3 faction war between like, guard, orks and Tau

[proud wing]

(to be clear it is a meme)

(i do not intend on purchasing and painting 327 models for one army)

[topaz elk]

I think you should

It’d be pretty cool

[proud wing]

neurogaunts having 22 wounds for 90 points is kinda cracked though

[topaz elk]

Are they psychic guants?

[proud wing]

the ultimate cannon fodder

[topaz elk]

Oh god they’re so bad lol

Actually Walker zombies

But bugs

[bright dove]

But they are synapse creatures.

[jaunty dawn]

super easy to hide tho

do actions with

[bright dove]

Yep

And 22 models for 90 points means you can just clog obectives.

[naive abyss]

random but man i wanna say again the darkoath models fuck

im so happy we finally got them repped with minis

like some of the best chaos lore in a long while is theres imo

[bright dove]

Yeeeee

It sparks joy for me.

[naive abyss]

same

especially since they fit perfect with my homebrew warband lol

[upper bluff]

So when does any of the announced stuff actually come out in stores? Like the age of sigmar stuff and the Dark Angels codex? It's weird that there are preorders but no date. Or maybe that's normal with Warhammer?

[naive abyss]

idk if theres ever stated times cuz it varies allot by region

which reminds me i should use my voucher i got for some foot knights

or i could wait for darkoath...hmmm

or the warcy fyreslayer dorfs

or the lov kill team

https://tenor.com/view/ron-ogden-so-many-options-options-choose-so-much-anxiety-gif-16148443

rip the salvagers are out of stock

[thin ibex]

Damn that would have been my first vote

[naive abyss]

i think its literally cuz everyone buys them instead of the normal warriors

cuz i feel theyre always out of stock

[floral herald]

Kill team stock is spotty period

[naive abyss]

also true

tbh i may just save the voucher for old world dorfs

[floral herald]

But yeah especially for the ones which are “battleline unit with cool extra bits”

[naive abyss]

cuz i know imma buy that shit either way

[thin ibex]

I wanna make lov boarding action lists

But they always feel a bit spotty on points

[floral herald]

I hate to be a downer but is that AI album art?

I've been seeing so much of it for music compilations on youtube so I may just be paranoid

[naive abyss]

its sourced to an artist and when i glanced at their artstation it didnt seem ai but lemme double check

he seemingkly does his own art no ai

[topaz elk]

Sick

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/simonheath

though the artist is also the one who runs the channel...

so idk for sure here

[floral herald]

Yeah there's a few elements of it which feel sort of like AI art but I really hate playing the "AI or coincidental style" game haha

[naive abyss]

def

the person seemingly does do art

so im incline to say its probably ok?

[floral herald]

Yeah most of the AI using channels just cite to no artist

[naive abyss]

yeah and though its weird they are also the artist i mean one can be multi talented

they also use a mix of blender and phtoshop

which may explain the style look

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XnEr9D

as ref

[floral herald]

It's a pretty different style from the stuff in the gallery

[naive abyss]

cuz when you sorta draw over 3d models i find the artists that do that have a sorta similar rendering to allot of ai art

[naive abyss]

idk for sure ultimately. i can nuke the link if we want

[past sphinx]

A very lost tech preist

Went a little strange

[naive abyss]

not a hill im inclined to die on really at all lol

[past sphinx]

More strange

[naive abyss]

lol

[topaz elk]

Man, with those new Kroot I really hope Vespids get a similar refresh and update

They probably won’t because they’re far less well liked and honestly? Really ugly

But like, I do want more of them

[naive abyss]

i like vespids honestly

but i crave the psychic mushrooms

[topaz elk]

I like what they could be

[naive abyss]

i so very much crave them

[topaz elk]

But their current models are not helping them

[naive abyss]

mm mm

id kill for a psyker mushroom unit

those fuckers are great

[topaz elk]

Also please god

Give us new auxiliaries

Something not Kroot or vespid

But something else

I want those knight sized aliens as units so bad

[naive abyss]

no yeah thats what i mean by the psyker mushrooms

[topaz elk]

Ohhh

I thought there were vespids that eat psychic mushrooms

That I just didnt know about

[naive abyss]

nah thers a psychic mushroom xeno that bullies the shit out of a deathguard sorcerer in a shadowsun book lol

[topaz elk]

Hell yah

Also yah I honestly think Tau getting psychic units that just aren’t Tau would be sick

Like keep the Tau shooty

[naive abyss]

i just want to see that fucker modeled ngl

[topaz elk]

They’re not built for melee or magic there’s better species for that

[naive abyss]

itd just be fun

[topaz elk]

True

[naive abyss]

a thing 40k often sorely lacks

just a fun models and units

cool ones sure but idk

you dont get the kinda stuff aos or fantasy gets

where you look at a fucking gloomspite/goblin vomiting or something and just smile about it

[verbal ermine]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xSBEazkHRVY?si=Lo1hhxynAZZjIwUq

👀

[floral herald]

Augh this isn't promising

[topaz elk]

Gobbo faction when?

[topaz elk]

Eh I wouldn’t trust those AI detectors

Most in my experience are snake oil

[floral herald]

I don't think that's true, though they are somewhat unreliable

But the sort of positive result there and what I'm seeing make me feel fairly certain

[topaz elk]

Fair