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[thin ibex]

I don't know that new recruit has the muster rules baked in for em though

[jaunty dawn]

it depends on the faction

[pulsar cairn]

Hehe

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3cXhiCN10Q/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

boboshobby

The complete setup of my latest spacehulk event! Great fun and lots of fun moments!
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[pine matrix]

Had a crack making a new Archon model with a Dark Ark Corsair cloak and bits from the DEldar kill team

[solemn gull]

This is amazing

[unreal cosmos]

niiiice

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/03/Jopall_Indentured_Squadrons.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130212051851 do you think this gun is chrome, or a light green?

[pastel rampart]

Fucking hell. Every section must have its own lighting setup.

[jaunty dawn]

I'd say chrome

cause the shading make it look like washed metallics

[solemn gull]

That arc was probably my favourite piece of world-building they did on the TTS series

[unreal cosmos]

I didn't realize it was a canon thing for ages lol. I ask because part of me really wants to do an army of em

[solemn gull]

Wait its canon?

[unreal cosmos]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Jopall_Indentured_Squadrons

[unreal cosmos]

there's part of me that really wants to do an IM army and the main thing keeping it at bay is indecision over how to actually approach it

[uneven ember]

Important question:

Do the Red Corsairs talk like pirates?

[floral herald]

Sadly in all the official stuff with them not really

[pine matrix]

Sadly no, at least when they appeared in the night lords trilogy

[uneven ember]

😔
That's fine I guess.

[bright dove]

Might have to see what the smallest Boarding Patrol you can build is, Storm. Aim for least amount of models, for fun.

[thin ibex]

Oh yeah for sure

My thought for this one is that triarchs can out fight most thing's 1 to 1 as semi elites, the lychguard and scythe lord are an alpha melee threat, and the immortals are functionally fire support

It's cool that the format doesn't really go above toughness like... 6

[bright dove]

Yee, that is a nice effect.

[proud wing]

https://twitter.com/sjax001/status/1701490025391677612

Yang Yi (@sjax001) on X

keep running

Twitter · Sep 12, 2023, 6:56 AM

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/25/sunday-preview-old-world-reinforcements-and-the-army-of-the-solar-auxilia/

ayyy the foot knights are finally coming out

ill probably grab a box of them ngl

like it has bits for 20 and im curious how viable using their bodes for sob is ngl lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdvW0w1JZJc&t=7s

[pine matrix]

Oh damn Dark Emissary coming out...

Also the apothaceries? Have they even been announced previously?

[naive abyss]

they have yeah

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/1azusei/khal_zino_finished/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

man the like shieldss being modeled on to rep how lov armor works fucks so hard ngl

[pastel rampart]

Would look really good with a translucent resin.

[naive abyss]

true though i kinda like this take on it too ngl

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, it looks really good as-is.

[naive abyss]

as this thing tha flairs into like hard existence when impacted

[pastel rampart]

I just think "wow what if it was see-through resin, also what if I stick a goddamn LED into it like a maniac"

[naive abyss]

lol

[pastel rampart]

Get a flickering LED in there to simulate impact shots

Nearly two dozen stone-cold classic pieces of Warhammer art from an earlier era are also going on sale next Saturday. These are iconic covers from Codexes and Warhammer Armies books, covering many of your favourite factions in the vivid colour palette that was the style at the time.

Yo hold on how big these prints gonna be, GW

[naive abyss]

poster size if i had to guess

[naive abyss]

honeslty i just wish i could figure out where the shield models originally from

the op says they got it from green stuff world but idk if that means they made or are just selling prints of the stl lol

ill be bummed if they made it in house cuz as memory serves they got some bullshit going on

[pastel rampart]

GSW is a pretty scummy company, yeah.

If you absolutely need to get one of their products you try and get it from a 3rd party, whether a vendor or used.

[pastel rampart]

Now the question is, will it be the original art or will it have the codex/army book border.

Because if it's the latter that'll be both funny and really goddamn lazy.

[solemn gull]

are there any examples of trial by combat being used in the imperium?

[pulsar cairn]

I'll say that there's gotta be at least one guardsman regiment that does that

[solemn gull]

I meant in the legal sense of a trial by combat

[floral herald]

Not the imperium but I know Saim-Hann does that

There's a lot of space marine trial by ordeal but I can't actually think of trial by combat examples offhand

[naive abyss]

the art they showed in the article had the border unfortunately

tbh gws overall been pretty lazy with merch like this

[naive abyss]

yeah it seems to be their sculpt and its the only example of the energy shield thing where its modeled with stuff hitting it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dmMpMMy6CQ

[pine matrix]

This is fantastic, I want to do a new scheme for the next set of DEldar I make so this is great inspiration

After trying to do white, the purple is really speaking to me

[pastel rampart]

I'm sure there's an STL out there that's either the exact same or very close. Seems like the sort of thing that'd be out there.

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tCVxpIQ8Cs

[proud wing]

Grey Knights are pretty cool design-wise

it's kind of a shame that the "space marines but psykers and with different armor" faction is defined in lore as the extra fascist guys

[pulsar cairn]

So in the ciaphas cain book

Turns out

Imperials have ||diplomats||?

[solemn gull]

Yep

[pulsar cairn]

Funny

[solemn gull]

They got a lot of politics to do

[pulsar cairn]

Didnt expect that, i mean sure there are alliances every once in a while

But i didnt expect them to actually have em

[solemn gull]

Are you specifically referring to working with xenos?

[pulsar cairn]

Yeh

[solemn gull]

Oh

[pulsar cairn]

They even have a term for it

[solemn gull]

Not really much difference

[pulsar cairn]

"Going xeno" when one of their ||diplomats|| gets too cozy with xenos

[solemn gull]

And tau are probably a lot nicer than whatever planetary governor the diplomats usually have to talk to

[pulsar cairn]

Fair

[solemn gull]

That is a very good book though

[pulsar cairn]

The diplomat did show disdain towards the governor

[proud wing]

the propaganda is that "everyone who's not human is scum that doesn't deserve to live", etc.
but in reality, being able to coexist and trade with others is far easier than wiping out everything in the galaxy that moves

and even imperial bureaucrats aren't too dumb to realize that with tyranids and demons running around, you sometimes need alliances with others

[pulsar cairn]

Indeed

Trading is a big nono apparently tho

[solemn gull]

Also they have way bigger fish to fry in that book then the tau

[pulsar cairn]

Dont spoil me fried cheese

Excited for it tho

[bright dove]

That book is actually quite good.

[uneven ember]

Always remember: hypocricy is foundational to the function of the Imperium of Man.

[bright dove]

It's foundational to a lot of governments really.

Ruling is messy.

[pulsar cairn]

Specially when you have a million planets

Is it a million or a billion

[uneven ember]

Abhor the witch (except the guys who form our only method of interstellar communication across the interstellar empire), the mutant (except the three-eyed peeps who we absolutely rely on for interstellar travel in our interstellar empire), the heretic (except for the weird machine-worshipping mystery cult who are the only people who know how to operate any of our technology).

[proud wing]

TIL citizens of the imperium still have zero knowledge of chaos gods/demons existing

i guess it sort of makes sense honestly

since civilian communication is so limited, and if demons ever get anywhere near a populated planet it's fucked anyway

[mental birch]

what's the picture of that miscast brettonian knight?

[crisp lance]

https://twitter.com/seyartsmind/status/1761501631781421191/photo/1

seyart (@seyartsmind) on X

Here's a comic that was inspired by
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Twitter · Feb 24, 2024, 9:21 PM

[bright dove]

Through the Power Armor too!

That takes some work

[floral herald]

phase-slap

[naive abyss]

i feel im fixating harder than i should on the fact that appears to be blonde and white white scar lol

[upper canopy]

A thing which can definitely exist because Planet

[naive abyss]

k

[thin ibex]

Noting that in boarding action, the Intercessor Squad gets split in two

[floral herald]

Huh, I hadn't really thought about that

That's a neat list

[tired cairn]

Do the jump units lose fly?

[tired cairn]

I understand it for the ork one, but why is the Imperium Titan not shooting at the titan in front of it

[upper canopy]

Because it looks cool

The same reason Literally Anything Here is happening

[onyx elm]

I see Rogue Trader got a big ol update.

[mental birch]

The best closest game that tourbamnet

[ebon forge]

yesterday I learned that
From all people
Peter Turbo warned Magnus about delving too deep into the warp (before heresy)

Even Petty Perty knew Magnus was about to do a big stupid

[pulsar cairn]

Peter turbo had a thing where evertyime he closed his eyes

He would have visions of the Eye of terror

So he knew what he was talking about

[ebon forge]

Huh, never knew Peter was one of the most interesting corrupted primarchs

Also, I also heard Peter got to chaos because he though big E would never forgive him, is that true?

[molten hatch]

That and horus giving him a friendly hand in his worst moment

[ebon forge]

That's sad

worst part is that I can see Big E actually forgiving him, when he possessed Bobby he said that to Fulgrin's face

or he said that to just fuck with him

[mental birch]

Funniest part of a win

[ebon forge]

Mind breaking your opponent? I agree

[mental birch]

:p

[ebon forge]

Atem should 100% mind crush others he wins just for the fuck of it /j

[mental birch]

I also learnt that any melee kill triggers grisly feast

Somehow they can eat a sentinel

[unreal cosmos]

well presumably they yoink the pilot out

it's necrons that raise some questions

[mental birch]

There's only one pilot is the issue

Does not qualify as a feast

[unreal cosmos]

there's a lot of one-guy units out there

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/MeU_317/status/1761736159926079901?s=20

[jaunty dawn]

most large animals go pretty far if it's just for one meal

[solemn gull]

I love the story where he loses the sculpting contest

[ebon forge]

tell me more

[solemn gull]

One of his step-siblings on his homeworld basically spent his whole life becoming the best sculptor on the planet and got love from their father for it.
So pete said “nuh uh I am better” and challenged him to a EPIC STATUE CARVING BATTLE. Pete finished his by the end of the day and it was basically perfect but his step-brother kept working 24/7.
About a week or so in Pete sneaks down and sees the finished sculpture. It’s got failures but it’s overall more human and had love put into it.
So Pete destroys it with his bare hands out of rage.

[ebon forge]

Oh my fucking god what a baby

[ebon forge]

Thank you for the summary.
Good Summary

Is funny how Perturabo is extremely emotional while he tries to be as cold as possible
is like a Glass wall
Maybe that's why he's so likable

[bright dove]

That's Petty Perty for you.

[ebon forge]

Perty went Turbo on that one

not FULL Turbo
But Turbo

[thin ibex]

I like how, effectively in lore, trazyn has factional battalion pokeballs

[solemn gull]

Hypothetically how hard would it be to convince a rogue trader to give you a arvus lander after you completed a mission of his

[thin ibex]

depends on how big of a deal the mission was and how much they liked the way you did it and how much they know and like you

give is a big deal

loan is a less big deal

[floral herald]

I think it’s hard to say because they’re often weird people but an Arvus lander is not exactly rare high end archeotech

And a rogue trader probably has piles of them

[thin ibex]

my logic is that a rogue trader isn't in the habit of just giving things away, even to people they've employed briefly

It makes more sense to me that they may loan something out conditionally

[floral herald]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

if you're a valued colleague or a repeat hiree/contractor that they've come to trust a great deal, that's a different story. You've got the rep and the trust to get perks like a personal lander of youre own

[solemn gull]

Big enough that whatever it was personally pissed off the arch militant of the sector

[thin ibex]

well, you could of course always ask the rogue trader for one, using that mission as a bargaining chip

but i think its no guarantee

unless they see a path to profit by doing so perhaps, or a path to opportunity

[ebon forge]

He's a big big deal noble
How you convince a big deal noble to give you stuff?

Attend his parties
Say his kinky statue is artistic
Say his horrible mixtape is actually great and Emperor Worthy
Tell him his face is nice to look at
ATTEND his parties
Be polite
Be efficient
have a plan to kill everyone he mets

Change pronouns on the guide as you see fit

[solemn gull]

I now realize I've forgotten what our actual reward even was

[ebon forge]

Ask for a arvus lander

[spice flicker]

Wasn't expecting a 40k reference in fgo

[jaunty dawn]

an arvus lander is like the least exciting landing craft you could ask for

[floral herald]

“And for a final boon oh gracious lord of space I would ask only one thing: a Toyota hilux”

[thin ibex]

Look

I'd be pretty happy getting a hilux

[upper canopy]

Why are they fucking using the Boreale text

[ebon forge]

A Mercede Bens...

[ebon forge]

Replace the motor with the same juicing machine the Astartes armor use and we are golden

[solemn gull]

Exactly, I am not trying to take his best lander

asking a space gazillionaire for a panel van is easier than asking him for a sports car

[thin ibex]

I think the real question is if the reward was one previously agreed upon or an ask now

[ebon forge]

Depends how hard the party of last night was

[thin ibex]

Cause like, i bet you if you ask a billionaire today for a panel van and justify it by saying "at least its not a sports car?" they still won't give you a pane lvan

My mental is that a Rogue Trader will be weighing pro's and con's of providing that kind of transportation in the long, short, and mid term

they'd consider how giving you a lander ultimately benefits himself

if the calc runs out to being favorable, he may just do so

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/26/solar-auxilia-kit-focus-building-the-finest-human-infantry-in-the-galaxy/

[solemn gull]

that's a good way to look at it

[jaunty dawn]

thought you could make an obscene amount of snipers list in admech but apparently serberys raiders don't have any sniper ability anymore

[solemn gull]

I mean he did give us a ride to get to our mission so clearly he wants us to be able to be transported around to do his work

[unreal cosmos]

Man those look like good kits

Though--and I may just be overlooking them--I'm surprised that I don't see any femme head options. Not that that's a big issue for an army that leans hard on helmets.

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/26/classic-warhammer-underworlds-warbands-reborn-for-rivals/

oooh

[thin ibex]

i was gonna try to make a "reactive fire" list for SM

[jaunty dawn]

thorns of the briar queen reprint/update

[thin ibex]

but i realized the only 2 units that have that option are the ATV and the invictor

[jaunty dawn]

the defence turret

hammerfall bunker? idk

[thin ibex]

mmm it gets free overwatch

i guess i get to decide what is reactive fire

that counts i think

i know the invictor has the "shoot my phobos friend and i shoot you" and the ATV has "shoot my bb bikers and i shoot you"

[jaunty dawn]

ooh navy breachers + elucidian starstriders combat patrol?

[thin ibex]

as like one thing?

thats kinda sick

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[unreal cosmos]

I'm very pleased by how six outriders, an embedded atv, and a free atv evens out to a codex-friendly "squad" of ten

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah I dig it

[thin ibex]

it saddens me that the internal team ATV for the outriders doesn't get the return fire thing

i forget, outriders aren't vehicles right, so they don't get the shoot into melee option?

[unreal cosmos]

They're all Mounted

[floral herald]

That’s nice actually

[thin ibex]

ima do some outrider centric lists

do wish they could more easily access lethal hits

[naive abyss]

It's honestly hard to tell tbh lol

And it likely should be fairly easy to kitbash one on lol

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

Playing around with another prospective Wolspear crusade list

Hurts not to bring termies but I think the faster stuff all fits the spears nicely

[spice flicker]

So would you say that the Iron Warriors really are just 40k chaos dwarves?

[hearty relic]

hate that

hate how well that works

their fits are worse tho-

[jaunty dawn]

iron warriors also use like 'auxiliary units'

[spice flicker]

If only you could actually mass field artillery with the IW

[jaunty dawn]

like iw subjugate humans and use them as cannon fodder n such

[junior robin]

chaos basilisk my beloved 🥺

[spice flicker]

Part of why I prefer IW in HH over 40k

[junior robin]

oh the things I would do it they released codex suplement :iron warriors and its just their 3.5e page

[spice flicker]

What was that page like?

[thin ibex]

3 defilers!

[spice flicker]

Letting the IW have the vehicular artillery options of the guard would be a dream come true.

[junior robin]

they got basilisks/vidicator, siege specialist? and servo arm

[thin ibex]

csm currently have almost no artillery rigtht?

[spice flicker]

Yep

[thin ibex]

what's their like.. no LoS option?

[spice flicker]

Nothing

Iirc

[junior robin]

😭

[thin ibex]

not even an infantry with it?

weird

[spice flicker]

Yep

[thin ibex]

jokes on us, its a allied chaos knight with the missiles

i guess death guard get arty

[spice flicker]

Closest thing to artillery the IW can field are defilers, forgefiends, and allied knights or daemons.

[thin ibex]

but not all csm can access it

[spice flicker]

Note I am stretching the definition of artillery here

[thin ibex]

aim a battle cannon up a bit and its arty

defilers are, in my head, arty lol

[spice flicker]

Honestly with how 1k sons, DG, AL, and IW are in 30k I think I am more likely to play csm there than I am to actually play 40k csm.

Only 40k csm army I kinda like (regarding playstyle matching Lore and appearance) might be word bearers.

40k 1k sons are nice though

Also I wish AL in 40k had something like rewards of treachery which is one of their special tricks in 30k.

[jaunty dawn]

aren't chaos vindicators still a thing

[spice flicker]

Imagine if RoT also wasn't limited to space Marines either so just completely throw your foe for a loop by playing AL and fielding some xeno unit alongside the rest of the csm roster. Imagine a Chaos tau'nar

Yeah vindicators are still a thing, only actual tank that csm can take besides predators and a standard land raider.

[thin ibex]

they're pretty good imo

vindicators i mean

dunno how competetive but they hit hard and are less worried about being stuck in melee

[spice flicker]

Apparently in Lore the thousand sons love fielding them and other tanks since Tzeentch likes how much "change" occurs when a tank shell explodes a target.

[pine matrix]

I wonder if they'll do a Siege of Terra campaign book for HH

[spice flicker]

With SoT over I hope so

I do wonder if when the scouring series begins if that is when the new edition of HH will come out if they don't make the new edition about the SoT

[pine matrix]

I don't know how the rules would be materially that different between the HH and SoT, it's the last gasp of the legions before the codes gets enforced, maybe get some Black Rage Angels

Traitor Rite of Battle: Oh Fuck Let's Get Out Of Here

[runic swallow]

I immediately had the “Delta, let’s rearrange some architecture!” line from Republic Commando echo in my head

[spice flicker]

Honesty had they not already pushed solar auxiliary so far, I'd say that SoT edition would be perfect for expanding on that as well as the daemon hosts that also participated in the siege. Currently iirc the rules for daemons are a bit lacking so that could be a good point for a revamp.

[proud wing]

are there any human factions besides Alpha Legion that don't serve either the Imperium or the Chaos Gods

[molten hatch]

There is a certain group from Raven guard

[jaunty dawn]

secessionists

gue'vesa

[proud wing]

i'd thought with how many different Knight Houses there are, and how they're not technically part of the imperial government, at least one of them could have seceded without devoting themselves to chaos

but i can't find any

[jaunty dawn]

several factions on necromunda realistically

or at least they have non-chaotic personal goals

the ash wastes nomads do zilch for the imperium tho

[proud wing]

i know it's an absurd setting, but 99.9% of all humans only working for one of two groups feels kinda dumb

[jaunty dawn]

it mostly just doesn't care about the ones who don't

just like you don't meet a lot of nice ppl

[brittle salmon]

I mean, there's plenty of recidivists, criminals, rogue planets

They're just not usually covered in the same detail

[jaunty dawn]

chances are the majority of non imperial humans are on uncontacted planets

it's basically a function of the imperium claiming itself the empire of all humanity and anything otherwise has only briefly escaped subjugation

[thin ibex]

https://vxtwitter.com/MeU_317/status/1762083444857901131

[jaunty dawn]

uh the other thing is that without backing from another faction secessionists are pretty easy picking

so they mostly survive by no one knowing about them

[unreal cosmos]

technically the Leagues of Votann

[thin ibex]

Guevesa rebels

or not rebels, defectors

but i guess thats not a specific faction

Also space marine rebels who have no been inevitably pushed into chaos yet

[proud wing]

i think that's literally just alpha legion at this point

[bright dove]

Also Space marines chaos tried to recruit, mutated badly, but didn't actually get.

[bright dove]

Souldrinkers.

[proud wing]

red corsairs used to just be renegade, but they got retconned to chaos

imagine charging into battle and all your enemies are yelling "COLD AND FAST"

[unreal cosmos]

The main reason alliance is so simplified is because it's easier to incorporate into the wargame

[proud wing]

i mean, there's still a ton of convoluted civil wars and whatnot.

you can easily have a space marines chapter fighting the inquisition or mechanicus; and just as easily have a bunch of tzeentch followers fighting khorne followers

but they're still all lumped into the two categories

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah because it's easier to incorporate into the wargame

The broad-strokes approach is convenient for writing codices and all that

I'd also like to see more free agents but I get why there's not a ton of "meanwhile these guys are totally unaligned with the rest of the guys in this book"

[bright dove]

Hey, when you get to see the weirdoes of the Soul Drinkers charging your lines, you tend to not judge the warcry as much.

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rJm0lE

man i love this art conceptually but the proportions and shit are a bit off ngl lol

[solemn gull]

GW really likes making any rebels or activists secretly or openly evil baby eating demon worshippers

[proud wing]

hey now that's not fair

the genestealers are the most prominent rebel/activist faction, and they're secretly evil baby eating alien worshippers

[solemn gull]

It kind of irks me that no one goes “hey wait a second maybe this imperium isn’t all this great” without then blundering into working with devils because “can’t have those imperium haters being right”

[jaunty dawn]

plenty of people do

probably

[bright dove]

I will once again point to the Souldrinkers.

[solemn gull]

Severane Dominate is the only group I can think of who hasn't done this but guess what [Only War Plot Spoilers] ||The higher ups are letting the Drukhari kidnap their citizens as a tax so they dont have to fight them||

[jaunty dawn]

like ultimately 40k is a setting about bad people fighting other bad people

[solemn gull]

Let them be crushed for being good then

[jaunty dawn]

there's not much point in telling a story abt not bad ppl really

[solemn gull]

there is, ultimately there has to be some degree of hope even if it gets crushed

I would be happy if there was a story about some hive world throwing off the shackles of the imperium and promptly being destroyed because the imperium are the bad guys

[bright dove]

I'm ust going to be a broken record if I keep saying it.

This is exactly the story that happens to the Souldrinkers chapter.

[solemn gull]

I know but sadly that's an old story

[naive abyss]

this to a degree is part of why i wanted darktide to be gsc not chaos cult

cuz while ultimately you need weird monsters and shit to fight at least with gsc they can remind you you are not a good guy in that game lol

even if they are still ultimately like a doomsday xeno cult

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[bright dove]

I mean.

[solemn gull]

I don't know much about darktide, def not enough to talk about it because I don't like the L4D-esqe games

[jaunty dawn]

like ultimately most of what gsc achieve is just genuine action

[bright dove]

gestures at the whole end point of GSCs

[naive abyss]

i mean yes

but youre run of the mill gsc with a pipe can yell "down with the oppressors"

which at least engenders something instead of shooting the groaning half decayed zombie man

like and it couldve been framed as a uprising of the hive instead of "the evil guardsmen detonated fart bombs all over the place"

[naive abyss]

yeah like up until doomsday/doomsday prep they are at least some what like "good for the people tm"

hell isnt part of why they are effective is they dont even need to have everyone that fights for them directly in the cult with the kiss lol

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

40k is just really pessimistic

[naive abyss]

def

now ill also grant my fussing at this with darktide is also me just desperately wanting some sorta xeno rep and just feeling gsc wouldve been more visually interesting/diverse lol

[jaunty dawn]

"even if you do achieve something it will just be co-opted by some force beyond you" is part of the point

[naive abyss]

for sure

like at a pulled back level players can know they are fighting a horrible doomsday xeno cult

but like idk while in the mess of it all sorta engendering a vague "oof im also a baddie though" would be interesting imo

[floral herald]

Cold n fast chug em all

[naive abyss]

out here with my chapter the "gore guzzlers"

war cry obviously is "hold my skull cup"

[solemn gull]

I don't think I see GSC the same way as you guys. Like ultimately they are getting billions of people killed with their end goal even if it does mean they take down the regime on their planet.

[naive abyss]

yes but in allot of cases they dont even know that

[solemn gull]

what do they think will happen at the end?

[naive abyss]

like to sorta ignore everything outside of the end result is a bit reductive i feel lol

[naive abyss]

often times they literallky thing the star angels shall come to save them

like its pretty common that most of the members of a cult dont know they are working torwards a doomsday

[solemn gull]

idk I view them in a very tragic light

[naive abyss]

i mean they definitely are tragic

like i dont think anything me or penny said really runs against that idea

[solemn gull]

also back on the topic of darktide a group trying to awaken a tomb world under the planet would also be really cool I think and fit roughly into the same archetype

[naive abyss]

tbh that would be weird and sorta just based on nothing lol

like the crons do many things to meat people have them organized into thrall cults isnt one of them lol

[solemn gull]

Discovering there is an ancient forerunner species under your planet and trying to harness it is a cool plot hook

[naive abyss]

i mean ill be real its overplayed imo and like wouldnt really be all that framable in a usable way for darktide

[proud wing]

i doubt anyone would think trying to harness the necrons for personal gain would be remotely good

[naive abyss]

like sure in another game you can have "These idiots woke up a tomb on accident fuck shit oh fuck"

[bright dove]

RIP Pariahs.

[naive abyss]

i never particularly like pariahs tbh lol

[solemn gull]

I'm not on the topic of "Good rebellion" anymore just "Woah this game would be cool if there were a necron dlc

[naive abyss]

i mean you cant really do crons i feel in darktide

thats too high a level tbh

[solemn gull]

don't you already fight beasts of nurgle and chaos marines in darktide?

[naive abyss]

no there are no marines

and beasts of nurgle are not that high a power and are like the more or less most high tier thing lol

like if a marine shows up its gonna be like a marine a singular marine lol

[solemn gull]

L4D games kind of always feel high-powered like that

[naive abyss]

and its gonna be a super boss or some shit

i wouldnt describe l4d as high powered

more its a video game and we must gameify this to some extent or it wont be playable lol

[solemn gull]

I mean if you can take on hundreds of demons, heretics, and zombies. you could probably take on a single chaos marine

[floral herald]

I think that'd be kind of hard to make work without a ton of mindshackle scarabs or something

Since warriors are more powerful than you and fairly numerous

I wouldn't be shocked if they added a plague marine boss at some point

[solemn gull]

that's a pretty good point

[floral herald]

ofc mindshackle scarabs and such do totally mean there's a basis for having hordes of "zombie" like enemies for the mechanics

So it'd be an interesting DLC possibility for sure

[solemn gull]

can humans use necron weaponry? like it has a trigger.

[bright dove]

probably stuff for warriors, since they don't exactly have much going on.

[floral herald]

I don't think so but its just because of like high tech safeties and them usually disappearing with the rest of the user for reanimation protocols

If you could capture and jailbreak one there's no particular technical reason someone else could use one afaik

[solemn gull]

I guess that also makes sense, I'm surprised they aren't melded with the arm like the skorpek lords

[floral herald]

I think that's kind of a carry-through with their original art and look

[pastel rampart]

Peak necron.

[solemn gull]

Back when they were just lovecraftian death-bots

[naive abyss]

i mean they still are that tbh

hell arguably making them more egyptian and have some talking with some weird shit to say is more lovecraft lol

[pastel rampart]

The emphasis was on "just" I think.

Post-3e dex gave them a hell of a glow-up lore-wise.

[naive abyss]

im still very fond of my homebrew dynasties lore

[floral herald]

The original ones were basically just 40k ABC warriors

visually

[naive abyss]

abc warriors?

https://www.reddit.com/r/theunforgiven/comments/1azt4bu/old_da_combat_patrol_in_legioninspired_scheme/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/IronWarriors/comments/1b0e7m7/convertedpainted_my_first_iron_warrior_cc_would/

[pastel rampart]

2000 AD comic.

[floral herald]

old 2000ad magazine comic which was a huge influence on 40k

[naive abyss]

ah

[pastel rampart]

A lot of 40k takes inspo from 2000 AD, Judge Dredd, and Nemesis the Warlock.

[floral herald]

the Imperium vs Chaos conflict is sort of lifted from ABC warriors, and the space marines are pretty reminiscent of the titular war robots to me, at least in some ways

(ABC=Atomic, Biological, Chemical, its such a silly sounding name)

[solemn gull]

I've still got a sweet spot for OG necron lore but now I get my fix from tyranids

[naive abyss]

i mean that lore more or less is still a thing its just not the only thing crons have now

[proud wing]

i thought necrons were originally robots made by chaos?

[jaunty dawn]

that was before they were necrons

but also chaos androids are back

[pastel rampart]

Chaos androids are visually similar but wholly separate from necrons.

[solemn gull]

well yeah but I just like the "unknowable and eldritch power" vibe

[pastel rampart]

This bit of weirdness can be explained by the Dragon of Mars influencing human development over millenia.

[naive abyss]

again very much still a thing crons can do

[solemn gull]

but it's cool we got tyranids that do the same thing vibe wise by ENCIRCLING THE GALAXY

[naive abyss]

like i literally made my dynasty with the conceit of "how fucking horror eldtrich can i go while still staying in line more or less with lore"

and i went pretty far lol

[uneven ember]

& most of the rest is just Dune

[solemn gull]

I know what your saying I just can't personally go "Woah these things are sinister and unpredictable" if we get to know them on a personal level.

[uneven ember]

& okay yeah the original minis were a lot closer to this

[naive abyss]

again you dont have to know the ones you make on a personal level lol

[solemn gull]

Cthulhu is still scary even if I know he enjoys post-modern art but it loses a quality I can't really put a finger to

[naive abyss]

like i feel you are treating crons as a singular monolith in terms of their fluff and stuff ngl lol

[solemn gull]

thats what they were

[naive abyss]

no they arent lol

[solemn gull]

they aren't now

[naive abyss]

they werent before either

[solemn gull]

the lore has been expanded upon pretty greatly

[naive abyss]

either way like theres literally dynasties that are just oldcrons and ones that are like weird insane oops all flayed ones like in the ghoul stars lol

like the crons ironically have a surprisingly broad range of things they can do in terms of vibe tbh

[solemn gull]

I get that but knowing they can be more is part of the issue for me. I want them to be unknowable silent death machines.

[naive abyss]

i

[uneven ember]

I am just a wee bit salty that a lot of GW writers just decided to make any and every "weird ancient shit" that had been introduced retroactively Necron.
("Geologic time scale" ancient, not like "normal nonsense 40K timescale" ancient.)

[naive abyss]

ill be real i dont understand the hair splitting happening here but fair enough i guess?

[naive abyss]

i mean they didnt lol

[unreal cosmos]

"Newcrons" have existed for longer than "oldcrons"

[naive abyss]

this is at fried to be clear

like the blackstone fortresses are just there and at most implied to be eldar tech

[solemn gull]

Newcrons were old even by the time I got into the hobby but it's just a vibe I gel with more

its vanilla vs choclate

[naive abyss]

tbh most weird tech is sometimes vaguely implied via its visual design to belong to eldar or crons but allot of it is just kept up in the air

[naive abyss]

ok sure. but like youre being told you can still have the vanilla but refuse this because choclate exists lol

[uneven ember]

Oh wait are the fortresses Eldar?
I thought those got retconned as Necron nm

[naive abyss]

like im halfway in your boat i like crons as horrible horror bots though i made mine still have at least one being in the dynasty able to talk

[naive abyss]

its not directly stated as any

its vaguely implied to be eldar

[solemn gull]

yeah my vanilla in this case relies upon being terrified of the fact there are non-vanilla options

[naive abyss]

like most of the ancient tech is never directly stated as one or the other

[unreal cosmos]

I don't think there's any real point to debating oldcrons v newcrons because it's been the exact same debate for like ten years

no new data has emerged lol

[solemn gull]

same way I would feel if there happened to be a faction of tyranids that had monacles and top hats

[naive abyss]

i also just feel your perception of oldcrons is like somewhat inaccurate lol

cuz they were never the same kinda monolith nids were

like ever

[unreal cosmos]

@naive abyss also I'm broadly on your side but I wanna take a moment to say that I feel like you're very close to being in my shoes when we were fighting about White Scars, if you want to get a sense of where I was coming from

[solemn gull]

my first interaction with necrons was playing gorkamorka with buddies in school and it was also the first appearance of necrons besides chaos androids. They just showed up at your end game and were so OP they wiped everyone out then went back to their pyramids under the dunes

[naive abyss]

i mean i dont know how to engage with that in a way thats productive or reasonable. cuz liek im not saying oldcrons werent horrible silent death bots of eldritch power. they were. but like the silent king allying with the blood angels to fight some nids is oldcron lore as example. hell overlords even in old lore had some modicum of personalities.

this is more at genome to clarify

[solemn gull]

🤷‍♂️

[uneven ember]

...okay now I'm imagining a GSC leadership with top hats and monacles
And fake beards, gotta have the fake beards.
"His Lordship the honorable Jean Stealer does not appreciate this line of questioning. You've got him hissing now."

[naive abyss]

this is closer to the vibe of old gsc than you might think lol

[unreal cosmos]

bypassing my little remark I think it's funny that the last newcron fight I was in started with someone saying that the blood angels alliance was the worst part of newcrons lol

[naive abyss]

gods

that makes me feel old

[solemn gull]

yeah the patriarch does actually get personality

[naive abyss]

cuz im old enough to remember reading the older cron dexes

[solemn gull]

so top hat hijinks are possible

at least until the hive fleet shows up

I got in around 8th to clarify

[unreal cosmos]

We really do need upper-class gsc to contrast with the lower-class ones, weird cults associated with bloodlines is super posh

[naive abyss]

ok im now more confused

[solemn gull]

it's to help with getting the populace onboard

[naive abyss]

newcrons are just basically lords, and not even all of them, were given slightly more personality

[solemn gull]

"look we really do have a Star Child, Come meet him!"

[naive abyss]

like your basic cron warrior is still like a mindless machine more or less

oh wait

im misreading youre talking gsc

im dumb

lol

[solemn gull]

no worries

[naive abyss]

tbh thats funny to me cuz the patriarch is just a bigger special genestealer

[uneven ember]

So it was released before the big Necron retcon (Netcon? Retcron?) but by like a year? So I feel like that might have been an in-development change when BA 5th came out

[naive abyss]

the book is based on earlier lore fluff

[uneven ember]

But yeah I do also remember people kind of fluffing up their Necrons, or at least the Tomb Lords, with a bit more personality than the 3rd ed book would imply

[solemn gull]

in my understanding all the genestealers just randomly decide 1 of them gets sapience

[naive abyss]

its only briefly mentioned in like whatever edition this one is lol

like it is the smallest most baby of lore snippets

but i do distinctly remember reading it in a local hobby shop from this dex lol

[uneven ember]

that one was 3rd

My brother played Necrons since they were just a White Dwarf list

[unreal cosmos]

so the origin of oldrons as they're commonly known, correct?

I think based on the last time I looked it up it was where they introduced the c'tan as a concept

[bright dove]

Yep

[uneven ember]

Well, like I said, you had the White Dwarf list for a while. Pewter minis, scarabs were suicide bombs, Destroyers were just warriors on hoverbikes so if you took one down they couldn't keep the bike but they could I'll be Back if they died close enough to a Warrior squad.

They looked like this

[pastel rampart]

Peak.

[uneven ember]

& you had some mention of the c'tan before this? Like, I think the Callidus had a c'tan phase blade before it was really established what a c'tan was.
But, yes, before the 3rd edition codex you pretty much just had "spoooooky mystery & Terminator references." 3rd was Oldcrons as we'd generally known them.

And the fact that they were turning human Blanks into Necrons meant there was a reason for someone with the Pariah gene being accosted by a Xenos Inquisitor and told "come with me if you want to live." So that's one thing I feel the Newcrons took from us.

[pastel rampart]

Not having Pariahs was a weird choice. Tho room for them to bring'em back I guess.

[bright dove]

I miss Pariahs.

[unreal cosmos]

I think there have been vague hints that they could return, the door is open

[naive abyss]

i feel i could be sold on the idea of them if they were more body horror and not chadcrons tbh lol

i conceptually like the idea of weird humans who got croned

but they just looked like weird propaganda renditions of humans to me lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URntZu58GiI&t=9s

though honestly id find like weird mind shackle zombies more interesting

sorta make them look like weird tech head crab zombies lol

[naive abyss]

noticed that one dude with the hammer was oriented near perfect for my homebrew regiments kitbash head png and ngl this is sorta a vibe

one closer to my usual scheme for my regiment lol

[uneven ember]

stylin

[naive abyss]

its tempting me to consider using the solars as a basis for the regiment ngl lol

[thin ibex]

So is marneus' elite Cadre that he will drop with these days Aggressors? Not counting his victrix guard

Actually company heroes is kind of fun with him

[uneven ember]

I've mentioned this before but I really think it's funny how mostly every Eldar society is dealing in some way with the civilizational trauma of the Fall in their different ways
The Craftworlders with the whole self-mastery thing, the Exodites by abandoning thier luxuries and grounding themselves with labor and connection, the Harlequins by acting as a memorial of their failure and their doom
& then the DEldar just there going "...okay so I am not learning a lesson from this fuck you"

[runic swallow]

“I just gotta get my freak on differently! ”

[naive abyss]

in fairness the exodites do predate the fall as like the eldar not down with all the beyond the pale weird shit lol

honestly im still shocked weve not gotten a single exodite model

[thin ibex]

Are the harlequins a monument to doom? Until very recently weren't they the only what who's God still lived and who acted in their gods interest and behalf?

[runic swallow]

They guard the library of all the eldar’s knowledge, and also generally fuck up anyone their jester god wants

And act as a actual performance troupe acting out morality plays and the story of the fall

[uneven ember]

Yeah, they still have their divine patron but he's not gonna be the Eldar's great savior.
Prank their enemies and run off laughing, maybe.
& yeah, they're a performing troupe acting out the big stories of the Eldar, which they all know end with the Fall

[pulsar cairn]

[cloud flicker]

Wait they canceled putting Cathay and Kislev into Old World?

:(

[pine matrix]

Did they confirm they would be in? I thought they only talked about the design process before Old World got announced. Still pretty bummed about it though, I'm not particularly happy the limited factions

[sour sequoia]

Void dragon WIP time

[pine matrix]

That rules

[cloud flicker]

I don’t imagine anyone is happy with that.

[pulsar cairn]

[solemn gull]

Knowing 40k’s track record I wouldn’t be surprised if they used time travel to rip off azure lane

[thin ibex]

That is the wildest take lol

[junior robin]

finally, the emperors stags

[thin ibex]

im gonna try to go blue skinned with mine!

havent decided on spine colors

[pulsar cairn]

THERE ARE KROOT IN THIS BOOK

[thin ibex]

which book?

[pulsar cairn]

Ciaphas cain ||the very first book||

And they are ||friendly kroot||

[thin ibex]

oh yeah

its been a while

since i read em

[pulsar cairn]

Birb fren

[thin ibex]

honestly the announce of new kroot leaders and units has me

like

reconsidering my whole ass

army plan

for my personal sept

the hive city based one

Kroot would totally be useful as urban scouts imo

and itd be maybe thematically cool for a Shas'O to be working closely with a higher ranked shaper in tandem

alongside the imperial-turned-tau pdf commanders

[proud wing]

I don't think kroot would be allowed to exist in a hive city

the empire sometimes tolerates other species for trade and stuff, but with how xenophobic everyone is indoctrinated to be, I don't think they could coexist in a neighborhood with them

[thin ibex]

I think, as part of the ongoing pacification and response process, they absolutely would, especially when hunting imperial cult remnants, minor chaos cults, orkoids in the lower hives, and so on. They're not living there, they're working there as part of the sept's Fire Caste contingent

It's not an imperial hive city any more, so the rules are different, even if it's a process in flux

[proud wing]

you mean a hive city that's been converted to tau?

[thin ibex]

Correct, narratively its a hive city (i havent named it yet) that peacefully surrendered to the Tau Empire after many skirmishes and prolonged negotiations with water caste representatives. What followed was a, all things considered, relatively peaceful occupation, with precision strikes performed by firecaste elements to take out gathering imperial holdouts

The commander from Sacea being well trained in urban warfare

What's happening now is a long term pacification and uplifting project by a combo of all 5 castes

which has kept the commander effectively mired in managing the inter-factional politics from the military side while also ensuring security and safety for new members of the Tau'va

[unreal cosmos]

A bunch of Kroot bounding over rooftops sounds like a great image

I'm also picturing an issue of feral Kroot hounds rummaging through dumpsters

[unreal cosmos]

That sounds fascinating ngl

[thin ibex]

my mental image is that this commander is one tired mf

but he's evolving sacea's urban warfare specialty into an even more specialized kind of hive/tunnel based warfare

I also imagine the situation evolves and is somewhat fluid, with chunks of the hive ranging from partial control to completely controlled by enemy forces

be they other xenos or cultists or rebels

im hemming and hawing with genestealers cause i like thei dea that he's trying to deal with this differently than Shadowsun did and not burning the hive to the ground

i feel like its an interesting character element

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/27/walk-tall-with-free-rules-for-the-solar-auxilia-aethon-heavy-sentinel/ also I gotta say, the rules for this seem pretty cool

[thin ibex]

the gun placement is so odd

having to lean the whole thing down to target lower positioned targets... but i guess that's not honestly particularly hard

[unreal cosmos]

I think it makes for a fun angle, yeah! I had similar thoughts for my guys and it led me to the mental image of a bunch of Breachers reenacting The Raid

And battlesuits patrolling a big ass sewer system and running into purestrains

[thin ibex]

im also imagining a looming stormsurge in a cavernous pipe pathway, with upper hive water sheeting down, partially obscuring its form, with its running lights on

stormsurges potentially being used as a mobile strong point, moved into junctures and so on to create an operational anchor/base of operations that can be relocated when needed

[unreal cosmos]

Damn that's cool

[thin ibex]

i do also love the idea of like kroot scouts bounding across rooftops as a breacher team does a tactical breach and clear of a suspected warehouse or residence

the kroot set to catch and hunt people who slip out of the tau cordon

[jaunty dawn]

oh shit melta lance has armourbane

(ranged) means its melta at full range basically

[pastel rampart]

I can see the weapons being that high allowing for the sentinel to hide behind terrain, like partially bombed-out buildings, while not putting the pilot in direct danger.

[jaunty dawn]

it's just hull down design

like

[pastel rampart]

That and I can imagine the whole thing crouching down when needed for a kind of semi-mobile weapons placement not unlike metal gear

[jaunty dawn]

every tanke ver

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[thin ibex]

yeah definitely

[pastel rampart]

And unlike 40k sentinels which have weapons off to the side, putting the pilot in danger.

[thin ibex]

i suspec a part of the 40k sentinels weapon placement might also have to do with ease of access from the ground

for maintenance and loading etc

[pastel rampart]

Probably.

Or the idea that it was some sort of farming/foliage clearing machine that got retrofitted to carry weapons.

[thin ibex]

that is a bit funnier in light of like, the solar aux having that heavy sentinel as a thing retroactively as clearly not a farming implement xD

Oh I suppose also, the lower firing position on a bipedal mech makes for a more stable firing base, whereas the higher up it is, the more force is being delivered to the weaker end of the lever

[unreal cosmos]

Not a worthwhile investment but I like how you can replace your side weapons with four HKs

[solemn gull]

Who wouldn’t want to join chaos, seems every MC has a crew of wacky outcasts and characterful weirdos. I’m sure they have a great time!

[thin ibex]

chaos never seems particuarly attractive at its end stage, except that it seems like nurgle marines have more fun

[spice flicker]

Hey if chaos' victory seems inevitable they maybe its better to side with the eventual winners?

Also the first heretic is a great book and made me go from not caring about the WB to them being among my favorite legions.

[pastel rampart]

Chaos's attraction makes more sense if you're gunning for daemon prince status, in which case you're effectively immortal (barring a handful of things that can actually for really-real kill you forever)

[solemn gull]

Joining chaos is the gamble for your freedom

[thin ibex]

feels like the gamble is "worse outcome for your soul than you could have imagined or limited freedom from the imperium traded for enslavement to the dark gods"

[proud wing]

yeah joining chaos is a very hellish outcome

granted, so is almost any alternative for humans

[thin ibex]

best bet is be born wealthy on a pastoral agriworld

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this 40k CSM Word Bearer "Armoured Column" work in progress list? (Note everything for now is chaos Undivided due to Lore reasons)

Dark apostle, warlord
Master of possession

2x10 cultists
1x5 legionnaires kitted for melee
1x5 legionnaires kitted with boltguns

2x5 possessed

2x Land raiders (possessed party buses with MoP in one with his possessed)
2x forgefiend, autocannons
1x maulerfiend
2x venomcrawler

2000/2000 points
I know there are places to improve and I like how the LR can hold up to 5 possessed and is a durable way of getting them where they need to be before they could be shot off the board.

[thin ibex]

posessed LR is fun imo

also im a fan of your autocannon forgefiend

instead of the traditional triple plasma

[spice flicker]

With maulerfiend and the Lascannons from the double LR anti-tank should be good with the forgies (get it forgefiend+corgies) will be a good chaff and objective clearer if I understand things correctly.

[thin ibex]

im given to agree, and autocannons are cool

[spice flicker]

Thinking of the possessed party bus land raider idea now has me wanting to put little holes in the LR and a color changing light in them that rapidly change color to simulate an actual party going on inside.

[thin ibex]

lol

[spice flicker]

Would probably work better as EC LR filled with noise Marines though. The light idea not that possessed idea that is.

[solemn gull]

Still gets your soul shredded in the warp

[thin ibex]

Do yall feel like the list is too light on AT?

[pine matrix]

There's some very good "here's the reason why someone would fall to chaos for other reasons than Being Evil" but also often chaos is just a shit rat race against everyone else

I did like the background of the Mobian Sixth basically suffering so much PTSD that they fell to Nurgle for solace, which makes a lot of sense

A chaos god offering resilience and an end to pain seems a pretty tempting offer when you've been through the meatgrinder of the imperium's frontline

Tal in the First Heretic being somewhat like "oh god what the fuck is happening to me" is pretty good, kinda wish they were a little more hysterical but maybe we missed that

[pulsar cairn]

what's ciaphas cain's buddy called?

[quaint compass]

jurgen

[pulsar cairn]

i like him

are meltas like mega flame throwers?

[solemn gull]

Nah they’re like microwave cannons

[jaunty dawn]

they go like

thwoom

[solemn gull]

Wait no thats a volkite

[bright dove]

Melta are Melta

[solemn gull]

They’re more like plasmaguns mixed with laser guns

[bright dove]

You point at a thing you don't want to be there, regardless of armor level.

The amount of things that won't get killed by a good melta-blast is a short list.

[floral herald]

Metla guns shoot melta

The target gets covered by melta and is melted

[jaunty dawn]

it's like a laser but more flamey

[rocky shale]

Its a melter but British

[unreal cosmos]

melta's more like a blowtorch than a flamethrower but I think the closest parallel is like, a souped-up hairdrier

[pastel rampart]

Melta's depiction has varied over the years and there's not much consistency.

Sometimes it belches out like a flamethrower, other times it fires off this big ol' slug-shot, other times it's a giant continuous beam.

[naive abyss]

i feel plasma also has that to a like lesser degree where its like either a beam or a projectile lol

[naive abyss]

did a first pass scheme test with impcat for my KO homebrew barak

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1b1e2j3/well_these_guys_are_just_fun_to_paint_video/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/Thornshield/status/1762478364894327192

[thin ibex]

This one feels like it could actually work maybe, except not having any dedicated backliners

It's such an expensive combo, but I like the raw damage potential of the valiant and the thunderstrike

Or thunderstrike and eradicators

[spice flicker]

Which faction has the best tank (or tank in all but name) spam potential?

[soft willow]

Guard.

LRBT variants can be like your whole list.

[spice flicker]

I wonder who else besides guard might be worth making a majority tank list?

[thin ibex]

SM can do it reasonably ok, not as good as guard tho

Tau can kinda do it

mmm

CSM can too

3 lr, 6 pred is an option

though actually thats more points than 2k i think

also they have vindicators

[uneven ember]

I'm torn on whether to make an Escher ganger named "Quick Tay" because it is pretty funny but also it's not a great match with the rest of the joke names (which are all like 80s rock names)

Joan Blackheart, Alysin Chains, Patty the Warrior

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/plastic_cracked/status/1762412192421277797

[uneven ember]

Yoooo

[floral herald]

that skull with sickles is super cool

[pastel rampart]

I do think it's like...missing a bit of color. Like some rust on the walkways.

[floral herald]

From a game piece perspective I like that

More subdued background color helps the models pop

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, just a bit too uniform for my liking, hah.

Like y'gotta break up the grey here and there.

[floral herald]

that's fair

they are very grey

[pastel rampart]

Also, and this is just a personal touch I'd do, but I'd try and get some warning/hazard/instruction signs on all those barrels.

It'd add a little something to it.

[floral herald]

I like that idea

[junior robin]

sadly was ordo OSHA deemed too radical and declared Excommunicate Traitoris

[floral herald]

+++THE EMPEROR SHALL JUDGE ANY WHO INGEST THIS CHYMICAL+++
+++BLESSED IS SKIN UNTOUCHED BY THIS CHYMICAL+++

[pastel rampart]

+++DON'T FALL IN THE EMPEROR-DAMNED CORPSE STARCH VAT YOU WILL NOT BE RESCUED+++

[solemn gull]

Knowing 40k this 100% exists and is in a secret political war with the mechanicus

[glossy vapor]

im watching the new adric episode and their talking about starship troopers power armor and comparing it to space marines and not crisis suits, and it brings me great sadness

like, space marines dont have like 5 shoulder and wrist mounted weapons, crisis suits do, space marines dont have standard issue jetpacks that let them arc arcross the battlefield more like attack helicopters than people, crisis suits do

its the difference between "im worth 20 normal soldiers becasue i have 5x the reflexes and training, so i can perfectly attack,dodge, and switch between targets like im at 2x speed and everyone else is on 1/2" and "im worth 20 normal soldiers becasue i have the firepower and arial mobility of a light aircraft". and the mobile suits lean much more towards the latter than the former

[thin ibex]

It's honestly a bit weird that there aren't really suit mounted weapons for sm come to think of it

It can carry all that weight, has all that power

But you still carry an independent weapon with mags

[upper canopy]

There's a few

Mainly on Gravis, ironically

[floral herald]

There's some servo mounts for techmarines and that one IF guy

[upper canopy]

Marneus Calgar

Mostly it's Power Fists

[floral herald]

I sort of like the lack of wrist mounts because its not a good design

[glossy vapor]

aestetics wise or practicality wise?

[floral herald]

From a practical standpoint

They have bad ergonomics for loading or using and you can't use the extremely fine control of the wrist joint for precision

GK make it work since they really want to be in melee anyway

[pastel rampart]

Terminators have wrist-mounted weapons. Mostly melee but they do have grenade launchers.

[floral herald]

They do?

[pastel rampart]

Yup! Or used to, anyway.

[floral herald]

Huh interesting

[jaunty dawn]

term librarian has a comically small storm bolter

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grenade_Harness They sometimes have them at the shoulders, but old old termies had'em on the wrist.

[jaunty dawn]

or maybe comically normal sized?

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wrist-Mounted_Grenade_Launcher

[floral herald]

huh I did not know about those

[pastel rampart]

They don't show up very often.

[jaunty dawn]

this guy haha

he has to holster his storm botler to draw his sword

[pastel rampart]

Typically a termie is gonna swing last due to power fists so having frags wouldn't do much, and you wouldn't bother with krak because fists hit harder.

You can make a case for lighting claw termies of course, but I tended to see them getting carted around in a crusader which has frags equipped anyway.

[jaunty dawn]

mainly for lightning claw guys yeah

and that's why land raiders got frag launchers really

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[naive abyss]

So some supposed leaked skaven sprues got posted in another server

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959864760441118790/1212489931914612766/GHctp6nWMAE1I38.png?ex=65f2063e&is=65df913e&hm=43df3a09fcb39b3eb17ce65d47b6bd7db74edc44330e428810bcf2f66ce3c534&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959864760441118790/1212489932241903637/GHctp6yWoAACyP5.png?ex=65f2063e&is=65df913e&hm=20b227b6940ee826096671da60fef94d3fe574bbf7e63b6ca5f3ee8144c5fa76&

[junior robin]

finally, its ...a thing™

[naive abyss]

I think it's an aggressively redesigned rattling gun

[junior robin]

oh yeah :/

[naive abyss]

Odd choice to make it a carriage based weapon

https://www.reddit.com/r/skaven/s/YLobogCXSS

[junior robin]

yeah, imo the weapon teams looses a bit of the charm of being made into more or less artillery :<

[naive abyss]

It may be helblaster skaven cannon I suppose

Cuz like there seem to be rats carrying ammo

[junior robin]

really like the idea of a large block or skavens with miniguns that explodes if you look at them wrong

[naive abyss]

Lol yeah

[floral herald]

It looks a lot like this to me

2 wheels and a long carriage

Just 4 6 barreled instead

[junior robin]

seems like it will have a second sprue unless it only comes with 1 big wheel.

[naive abyss]

It'd be odd is that was replaced. But maybe my joke that its a hellblaster is on the money lol

Skaven just importing empire tech lol

[thin ibex]

Had to step away but yeah, I can see standard wrist mounting to be not great ergonomically, but like tor garadons fire linked over the shoulder grav gun is a decent example

[spice flicker]

Imagine a battle where the skaven just roll up in a maus tank in aos.

The rats having a maus

[junior robin]

they should give clan skryer a baneblade, as a treat

[spice flicker]

AOS clan skyre has evolved from experimental crew weapons to just experimental armored warfare.

[jagged dawn]

compares them to Space marines.

Have you seen the powered suits?? (In this case it’s from the starship troopers anime)

[glossy vapor]

ok i have asbergers so im bad at reading intention from text, so is it ok if i ask whether you saying comparing them to space marines makes sense or doesent make sense.

[jagged dawn]

Yeah that’s my bad I couldn’t figure out how to type the sentence properly. I’m saying that comparing them to crisis suits would be better

So I’m agreeing with you

[glossy vapor]

yeah

I prefer mini-mechs over "I'm augmented to have 5x the reflexes and 10x the training" super soldiers because you actually can see the full force of what makes a mini-mech so powerful in visual media. Because usually the raw speed of action and presicison that matches their lore and is needed to make them a "1 man army" isn't communicated well outside of books.

[cinder wraith]

built an exalted champion

[pine matrix]

Fuck yeah! I dig the gun on the pauldron

[cinder wraith]

this is Dag-Raxth

an ultramarines lieutenant that fell to khorne's murder curse

[uneven ember]

I like!

& also I think it's a little funny that Mobile Infantry are definitely closer to Crisis Suits than to Space Marines, but also the memetic DNA (so to speak) has Marines derived more directly from Starship Troopers while the Crisis Suits are more from other kinds of concepts.
Convergent idea evolution, in a sense.

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1b24pwi/detyranified_lieutenant_for_my_foxy_space_wolves/ @pulsar cairn

[pulsar cairn]

OH

that's so cool

[still warren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/1b2fgao/new_spruethings_leaked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

4e skaven revamp, let's gooooo

[naive abyss]

yeah i posted about it earlier lol

though some industrious nerds on the lov server have atempted to assemble the sprue lol

[pastel rampart]

That looks about right.

[naive abyss]

and i like this model i just have no idea if its meant to be something new or a wildly different design of ratling gun

[pastel rampart]

I wanna say it's a new thing, as that looks to be waaaaay bigger than a ratling gun.

[still warren]

Artillery version of a rattling gun?

[pastel rampart]

Possibly.

[rocky shale]

For the AoS-savvy folks here, any idea if this is a playable list for stormcast?
1x Yndrasta, the Celestial Spear,
1x Lord-Imperatant with 1x Gryph-hound
1x Knight-Vexillor with Banner of Apotheosis
3x Praetors
1x Knight-Arcanum
10x Vindictors.

Someone locally is selling it for like $80 on craigslist and its 990pts which seems tempting as an impulse buy.

[still warren]

I don't think that's playable because it's missing battleline units? But I could be mistaken

[rocky shale]

I think the vindictors are battleline

[still warren]

Oh for 1000pt you need 2 battleline units

[rocky shale]

They're unit size 5 so that still seems playable

[still warren]

Ah ok just checked and they're just selling the stormcast half of the dominion box

[crisp lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1763019862643814753

[rocky shale]

Ohhhhhh makes sense

[still warren]

It's still good value but if you can find the dominion box its probably the better deal if it isn't being scalped

[zinc field]

After not painting anything for what feels like four months, I painted this up tonight

[naive abyss]

cw nonsexual nudity

What sort of strange xeno art mayhap I be getting made???

[thin ibex]

Hmm gonna make a themed blood angels crusade list

[past sphinx]

Custom servo skull in the works, extremely fiddly

[thin ibex]

Does Angels Wrath from the jump pack captain stack with the bonus from Red Thirst?

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tccoRzRgO7c

[proud wing]

I know it's really dumb to be empathetic about this setting

but playing Mechanicus makes me feel kinda bad when they're the faction that treats their citizens like extra mega garbage, even compared to the rest of the imperium

[naive abyss]

and now the edited and tweaked feedback image im sending the artists way lol

which more or less can be summed up as

https://tenor.com/view/giant-bomb-jeff-gerstmann-bigger-mario-party-gif-25290782

and also the use of her chain from her fantasy look in a way that i think really sells the sense of motion and weight lol

[jaunty dawn]

this is so rad

[ebon forge]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-yes-gif-13721721

[pulsar cairn]

so

after reading the ciaphas cain book

do the Tau ||Do the Tau now recognize Ciaphas cain as well?||

[ebon forge]

.
P-
Probably

[mental birch]

I mean yes

[bright dove]

||HERO OF THE IMPERIUM||

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/dordwyn-ironbottom-dwarf-dwarves-world-of-warcraft-gif-27232724

[solemn gull]

Do you mean if they recognize him on a individual level and not just “some imperial officer”

[bright dove]

Also from that Ciaphas Cain book: ||I do love that the Kroot go berserk over genestealers once they partly learn what the process is.||

[solemn gull]

That is a pretty cool moment

[pulsar cairn]

yeah

[topaz elk]

https://x.com/lord_carmi/status/1763019862643814753?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

LordCarmi (@lord_carmi) on X

Wh40K Minor Xenos of the Galaxy Series
Tau assist new refugees from the newest Imperial Crusade

#WarhammerCommunity #characterdesign #illustration #warhammer40000 #digitalart #conceptart #scifi

Twitter · Feb 29, 2024, 1:54 AM

[jaunty dawn]

chad tall water caste supporter

[junior robin]

they haven't posted anything about the leaked skaven so hopefully does that mean its from something big like how the HH box leaked and they said notin

[jaunty dawn]

man has a dark eldar sword

[junior robin]

I wonder, is there a in-lore reason he choose a eye as a symbol or is it just a refference to "the eye of horus"? 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

ye

SoH love that stuff

[junior robin]

"Originally known as the Eye of Terra, the eye represented the Emperor's eternal vigilance." huh.

[pine matrix]

Neat! It's a cool modrl

[jagged dawn]

https://tinylegend.eu/?utm_source=linktree&utm_medium=social

Pretty good printable files

The Krieg ones in particular catch my eye because dear god are forge world models expensive so any kitbash alternative is great

[solemn gull]

Big fan of LOTR

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/29/warhammer-studio-interview-updating-the-solar-auxilia-leman-russ-for-a-new-plastic-age/

this is pretty interesting

kit has both square and round top hatches to match whichever you prefer

[naive abyss]

It's a nice sprussed up leman Ngl

I'm vaguely sadge it doesn't have sponson options

[topaz elk]

I want a 40K game where a bunch of space marines are consistently outwitted by some Eldar manipulating events

We have enough of eldar getting found out and their plans falling apart

Give me a story where the space marines are completely unaware they’re marching to their doom as they accidentally safeguard a craftworld for centuries to come

[pastel rampart]

Oh hey, nice terminator bitz they got there.

Would be nice if they had uh...anything more than just krieg tho.

[spice flicker]

So deathwatch is the only one of the 40k rpgs that I actually don't have any books for and with the current sale on drive thru rpg going on, besides the core rulebook what would you consider the essential books to get?

[solemn gull]

the one to make custom chapters

[spice flicker]

Just the core rules and that?

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPuhgbv5-B4

[jaunty dawn]

oh wow

that does a lot

[ebon forge]

Big E big plan is pushing all of humanity to his own webway, free of the warp.
Won't that fuck Psyckers?

[brittle salmon]

Definitely

But psykers are also very dangerous, unstable entities overall

He sees it at a net win

[ebon forge]

oh absolutely, but won't that cut big e powers as well when he gets inside the webway?

[brittle salmon]

he probably has a back up plan for that once it gets to a stage where its feasible, i figure

[ebon forge]

True, the Eldar is more warp sensitive than the humans and the craftworld stayed there for who knows how long

[jaunty dawn]

I dont think being in the webway really affects psykers

he also saw it as an inevitability that eventually all humans would be psykers

the webway is inside the warp, its more like being in a gellar field than a like. null zone

[naive abyss]

I think it's distinct from warp

Like s weird dimensional space between reality and the warp

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/01/the-solar-auxilia-cohorts-of-the-horus-heresy-studio-on-parade/

[upper canopy]

Being in the web way actually buffs most psykers

As it's a psychic sub dimension

[ebon forge]

So eventually it would become a better Prospero

[sweet solar]

iirc the webway was actually completly artifically constructed back in ye old pre war in heaven days

[upper canopy]

Yes

Its made by the Eldar and old ones

[floral herald]

Psychic powers work fine in the webway

[bright dove]

We know this because the Eldar work fine in the Webway

[tired cairn]

The Emperor's plan was also to turn everyone into psykers

idk why "hating psykers" was a step in that process

[upper canopy]

Big E also wanted scientific reason to triumph but was a racist eugenicist

[proud wing]

as long as you're in realspace, psykers have a huge risk of destroying everything

[naive abyss]

Cuz he's ultimately a incompetent petty warlord lol

[bright dove]

A healthy distrust of psykers is necessary

On account of all the Warp fuckery

[floral herald]

Afaik the emperor actually doesn’t really have any problem with psykers personally but the whole of humanity does because most of their history with psykers is “they explode and enslavers and such pour out” and it’s hard for even the emperor to override that

[tired cairn]

Letting them get banned at the Council of whatever wasn't helping though lol

[upper canopy]

Nikea

[bright dove]

That was Sorcery that got banned, iirc

[upper canopy]

Interchangeable

[bright dove]

Not really

Sorcery doesn't require psychic powers to do, it just helps

And it's basically tapping into the warp in the most dangerous ways possible

[naive abyss]

I mean it was not just sorcery

It was also the whole concept of the librarius

[bright dove]

Fair

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/01/ye-olde-tercio-standard-great-success-in-the-war-for-beta-garmon/ this is pretty good

[floral herald]

The librarius was at the time a sorcerous institution

[bright dove]

Deeply Sorcerous

And it's really unsafe to do sorcery. Even compared to just normal psyker things

[ebon forge]

I mean
It DID protect then from Slaanesh first coming so

[bright dove]

That's how we know it's quality

[ebon forge]

Or you can say
Slaanesh first cu-gets banned

[proud wing]

were the drukhari the ones in the webway when slaanesh was born and the aeldari were the ones in distant corners of the galaxy

or is it the other way around

[floral herald]

That’s about it yeah

Drukhari were safe in the webway, as were Harlequins

CWE and Exodites just out of range

[pine matrix]

Really enjoyed this, looks like a lot of fun for an allied force to try and match up the paint scheme. I thought it'd be interesting to make a "sleeper" Auxilia force, now activated and fighting alongside my Alpha Legionnares

[proud wing]

so being in the webway stopped them from dying immediately, but having your soul messed up so you need to murder constantly to survive isn't quite what I'd call "protected"

[pine matrix]

Protected in the sense that the weren't immediately devoured in the Eye of Terror

[floral herald]

When you’re either a casual or ranked competitive murderer its pretty ok though

[bright dove]

When the alternative is instant oblivion, it's a notable improvement

[tired cairn]

Is being a psyker way to dangerous for a dark eldar? There aren't any models that work that way right?

[pine matrix]

Yeah, they do not like psykers at all, I'm pretty sure they're banned/kill on sight in Commagarah

[floral herald]

I believe they're sort of burned out and suppressed being psychic on account of it being very dangerous and painful for them

[upper canopy]

They specifically atrophied their psychic powers

It's not the psykers are banned it's that they AREN'T psychic anymore

[pine matrix]

I thought they didn't want other races' psykers in Commagarah as well?

Though I guess maybe they'd want them for the arenas 🤔

[pastel rampart]

Psykers in the city open up daemonic invasion.

They'll keep some psykers around as playthings/experimentation, and probably to fuel some rather awful devices.

Also: finally trying to finish that Mordheim building I started last year.

[pine matrix]

Looking dope!

[jaunty dawn]

the thousand sons were literally becoming best buds with daemons, so the libararius got de-legitimised as a whole so it wouldn't be a 100% targeted punishment

the two other legions with big psyker traditions the emperor had no problem with

and continued to have no problem with after, when the wolves ignored the edict

[bright dove]

It's the Emperor trying to nonspecifically censure the Thousand Sons

Probably because he didn't want to pull another Lorgar

[solemn gull]

Crazy question

Why don’t the eldar just leave

[jaunty dawn]

the galaxy?

[solemn gull]

Like the whole galaxy is going to shit

Yeah

The silent king did it and a eldar have roughly the same ship tech

They could leave the reach of slanesh right?

[upper canopy]

The Silent King did not leave the galaxy entirely

He didn't go to Another One

he just went into the dark void between

[jaunty dawn]

warp travel outside the galaxy isn't great

and necrons have much better non warp travel stuff

[naive abyss]

Also in theory chaos reaches everywhere

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I think slaanesh exists wherever they do

[naive abyss]

You can't really outrun conceptual evil lol

[solemn gull]

Oh because wouldn’t there be warp entities from other galaxies that could reach over then?

[naive abyss]

Galaxies don't have like distinct separate warps

[upper canopy]

I mean, they might.

We genuinely do not know.

[solemn gull]

So why does nothing besides the tyranid ever show up then

[upper canopy]

And probably never will.

[naive abyss]

Like the warp is a weird subdimension that exists alongside all of reality

[jaunty dawn]

chaos gods are unique in their omnipresence

regular gods can die

[ebon forge]

And there is that belief that outisde out galaxy, there is nothing or only Tyranids
or the thing that Tyranids are running away from

[solemn gull]

And beyond that?

[upper canopy]

and Orks

[naive abyss]

Stuff does on occasion

But the answer is intergalactic travel is hard and takes a long time

[solemn gull]

It is probably better then the god trying to eat your soul where you currently are

[jaunty dawn]

the main players barely know what's happening in the edge of the galaxy

let alone stuff coming from beyond it

[floral herald]

I think its a mix of two things:

• they don't want to
• craftworlds aren't totally lossless in terms of resources so slowboating to nowhere is gonna strain them pretty hard

[naive abyss]

I mean that god still exists there

[solemn gull]

Are world ships self sustaining?

[floral herald]

But the CWE still maintain a lot of galactic interests and such which they want to maintain

[upper canopy]

Eldar rely on the webway for travelling through the galaxy anyway

[naive abyss]

Fried you can't outrun conceptual evil

[upper canopy]

so like

they can't

[jaunty dawn]

slaanesh is like

tied to the eldar

inextricably

[floral herald]

In theory an extragalactic craftworld ought to be able to connect anyway

[solemn gull]

I don’t believe that chaos has ALL of the warp

[jaunty dawn]

it's unclear

[naive abyss]

Like the chaos gods don't have a physical limit on their domain

[upper canopy]

They might

[solemn gull]

Just all the parts over the galaxy

[jaunty dawn]

but chaos definitely exists outside the milky way I'm pretty sure

[upper canopy]

There's literally nothing saying they aren't localized to the galaxy.

[floral herald]

I think the main reason really is "they don't want to go"

[jaunty dawn]

like cause it's referenced

[naive abyss]

The space of the warp is not analogous to realities space though

[jaunty dawn]

like they're not even contained within one universe

[solemn gull]

Then why is there nothing else in the warp

[naive abyss]

Like sure shit like the enslavers exist

[floral herald]

Whether its pride for holding onto the remains of their empire or the various vassalized aliens they maintain or what they're not done with the galaxy

[naive abyss]

There is

[jaunty dawn]

but also the reason that warp travel is hard between galaxies is that it's basically a dead calm

[naive abyss]

There's also nothing saying they are

[upper canopy]

Exactly

[naive abyss]

And like why would they be

[solemn gull]

No random other chaos gods waltz over and say “hey I’m from the galaxy over”

[naive abyss]

Like physical space isn't even a solid concept in the warp

[upper canopy]

No one can make definitive statements about this because it's unconfirmed either way because it's not relevant to the setting.

[naive abyss]

It's why it's the basis of most ftl

[solemn gull]

Damn

[floral herald]

Everything involving the geography of the warp is I think intentionally nonsensical and its entirely unclear whether the warp's state is localized to the galaxy or not. For what's written of outside of the galaxy we only know 2 things:

• there are orks
• there are tyranids

(And whatever's in the ghoul and halo stars since those are sometimes taken to include the milky way's attendant dwarf galaxies)

[naive abyss]

I mean you can look at how non parallel to actual real space the warp is and make an educated deduction imo

[solemn gull]

Real space and the warp are still kind of linked

There are anchors

[naive abyss]

Linked is not the same as paralleling