but like the two factions with the most hammers are like LOV and GSC lol
#Warhammer and Such
naive abyss
thin ibex
you really don'y see any normal 1 handed warhammers in 40k at all tbh almost anywhere
everything is a big 2 handed polearm or bust in most places
honestly though, i think csm might be matched with LoV as far as means to field mass amounts of hammer is they want to
or overmatched
thanks to assault termies
and thunderhammers being possible on almost all sergeants
naive abyss
this reminds me im still vaguely dorf nerd annoyed by love having swords lol
but thats like an easy enough thing to not have on my models so its ultimately not a big deal
thin ibex
tbh it doesn't bother me much personally, ties into the vaguely nordic vibes well enough. I do wish they had more pole weaponry but thats just not a commonality on minis in general
naive abyss
im very much the kind of dorf nerd who wants dorfs to like all hammers and axes. with maybe some spears lol
jaunty dawn
the fact they still sold this guy when the datasheet was removed was so mean
floral herald
I'd love an updated on of that guy
pastel rampart
pastel rampart
https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/skeleton-cavalry-and-chariots Oh hey look, Tomb Kings
naive abyss
ngl this fucks
liek i know iron warriors more or less made obliterators
but i like how utilitarian yet chaosy these look
sweet solar
ooo iron warriors kataphrons
unreal cosmos
https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/comments/1aupd4o/medusan_immortal_sp...
ngl discovering Hands can build an army around angry sword-and-board troops made me wish I had the time/energy/money to build another 30k army on top of the one I've barely started lol
love to see traditionally shooty vehicle guys lean into the techno-barbarism
naive abyss
that feel when the least loved legions/chapters are made really cool in the expensive secondary game
huh
dense sedge
Possessed?
bright dove
Possessed?
Chaos Lord with Jumpack and Lightning Claws.
unreal cosmos
https://www.reddit.com/r/theunforgiven/comments/1avqxfd/am_i_crazy_or_is_this_ti...
damn that's neat
as I was telling some friends I have very mixed feelings about that defunct lore
naive abyss
the weirdest part with it i feel is that its only like partially defunct?
naive abyss
https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/comments/1av4xcn/an_eldar_exodite_be...
also random but ngl im very into artic dino exodites ngl
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/adhb5m/another_member_joins_my_arctic_medical_rescue/
these look really bloody good
naive abyss
im not sure why this thought took me so long to have but admech vs IW is a vibe to me ngl
like its almost mech vs mech but a little different so it doesnt feel like a rehash of the martian civil war lol
thin ibex
Is the general way to manage the nightbringer in the field just to avoid him in game?
brittle salmon
Is the general way to manage the nightbringer in the field just to avoid him in ...
Hit it with the biggest AT you have or kite
runic swallow
Cyberdemon rules: Shoot it until it dies
floral herald
It has a relatively poor save but high toughness - that sounds like "spam me with lethal hits" to me
(the FNP makes it harder, but its still a pretty good thing to exploit)
naive abyss
yeah ngl looking at these side by side and im getting pretty sold on the idea of IW and admech fighting lol
just weirdly clean daemon tech vs gribbly as fuck imperial tech
ebon forge
Of course, AdMech mods are mostly out of devotion, yes they do grand boons, but is mostly for devotion, Arkhan Land always got stink eyes becuase his mods were internal and while heavily modded he looked human.
While IW mods are for efficience and efficience only
Hearing the marketing team of my job trying to come up with something up that is not "Industrial building speed" and ending up with "ULTRA construction" makes me think of Guilliman's sons building a house
pulsar cairn
spice flicker
The one true retirement plan option for ultramarines: construction
still warren
You think old enough ones get stuck with a desk job as an administrator?
pastel rampart
Marines rarely get so old that they're not combat-capable.
They either die in combat or are wounded enough to get shoved in a dread.
tepid stratus
It'd likely be a military position with political influence like "Warden of Ultima subsector 11.2" or whatever
pastel rampart
I suppose there's ones who are injured enough to not be on the field but not so bad they get shoved in a dread who'd probably end up training new recruits tho.
still warren
But for ultramarines specifically that seems semi reasonable that some of them are sent to administration
tepid stratus
But yeah as Slim says marines are basically in some combat adjacent position until death
Whether it be as an instructor, strategist, regional warden or honor guard position
spice flicker
Custodes are the only transhumans I can think of that retire and that's only when they see their performance go down by a barely discernable amount and even then still serve as spies and agents for other custodes.
tepid stratus
Yeah the eyes of the emperor are still some ridiculous combatants, they're just compared to the standard of "fighting an endless daemon invasion" for their retirement metric
tired cairn
Retired custodes being spies is hilarious
tepid stratus
It would be cool to see them as an option on the tabletop as a cheap(er) custodes infiltrator unit that was only 25-30pts per model instead of 40+ because they'd only have a misericordia and bolter with a 4+ save instead of armour and guardian weapon
I imagine they function more like assassins and spymasters coordinating things and stepping in when things get hairy rather than do any direct Intel gathering given the only way they'd be able to blend into normal society is somehow bulk up to look like an ogryn
Custodes can be stealthy, Valdor infiltrated a nobles estate in full armour, but they aren't built for blending in and info gathering
ebon forge
Retired Custodes being a thing by itself is amazing
Like, what would make a custodes retire?
bright dove
Like, what would make a custodes retire?
When they start to slow down. They can tell when their getting worse
ebon forge
Ok that's fair, yeah
Still surprising they would actually acknowledge that and don't just go:
"NO! I can still do it! Send me to the hardest fight! And I will prove it!" and then die.
bright dove
Being able to fail is poison for their reputation
ebon forge
I mean yes, but know you need to step down is a whole other thing
ANOTHER POINT TO THE BANANA BOYS LET'S GOOOOo
thin ibex
isn't there a common custodes test to attempt to infiltrate the palace? They can be stealth experts as i understand it
ebon forge
Yeah, after Alpharius almost assassinated the Emperor they kinda needed to step it up
bright dove
More than that, they also kidnap CSMs, drop them in the Palace, and tell them to try
ebon forge
It was one of the first things Alpharius did after arriving in the palace for the first time
ebon forge
More than that, they also kidnap CSMs, drop them in the Palace, and tell them to...
.
ok they are just doing it for fun at that point
And I imagine the CSM just gets mind obliterated and full of regret as they die if they stumble in Big E chambers too
bright dove
It is basically for fun with that, yeah
ebon forge
I love it
"Let's grab that random World Eater and drop him in the middle of the palace to see how long he lasts before crying himself to sleep"
thin ibex
apparently also, the stuff kept by the custodes wardens is so important that they wont leave their posts even if the palace is under siege or has been breached
so important/so dangerous
bright dove
There's some bad shit in the vault
ebon forge
Big E's fursuit from the XXI century
And an extremely embarassing photo of Malcador from some old X-mas party
unreal cosmos
Special unit idea I just had, not sure if it's more silly or cool: a Chapter's Reserve Company Captains acting as a command squad for the Chapter Master
spice flicker
Regarding Horus Heresy and the thousand sons, what does the magus upgrade do for the osirion contemptor dreadnought?
solemn gull
~~It was one of the first things Alpharius did after arriving in the palace for ...
Not to mention he killed a custodes with a basic throwing knife
ebon forge
Not to mention he killed a custodes with a basic throwing knife
Primarchs are a level above custodes but yeah that's ludicrous
solemn gull
Like just his throwing power was enough to pierce the armour of a custodes with a knife he probably found in a hab kitchen because he was deep undercover as a dead blue collar worker
ebon forge
I think it was a way too to show how overpowered a Primarch is in level of a common man, even beyond a custodes and Marine
Or just
"Look how stealthy and powerful Alphy is"
solemn gull
Right but I think he could of probably killed the custodes by throwing a rock at him to the same effect
ebon forge
Maybe
Tho a Custodes had killed a Ogryn with a pebble once
thin ibex
Did a "no big centerpiece" speed freekz list
pulsar cairn
isn't there a common custodes test to attempt to infiltrate the palace? They can...
blood games i think
back when Alpharius was still living in Terra, he did a thing to try and show the weaknesses in the emperor's defences, he got to the point where he could have killed the emperor(proving his point that their security was flawed) and they started doing the blood games after that
ebon forge
Didn't a custodes tackled him before he could fire?
Also yeah, custodes before Big E Big Sit even fough against him to train
spice flicker
Gotta make sure the charge can protect themself if the guards go down.
ebon forge
Absolutely
pulsar cairn
Didn't a custodes tackled him before he could fire?
He did but spoilers for the book: ||he had hacked a big mean turret before hand and still had the controller for it, he went beep beep and the turret took aim at the emperor's vessel and the cusotdian was like "maybe you do have a point||
ebon forge
ooooh awesome
pulsar cairn
the Alpharius book is a fun read
Also i wonder if life on Terra was good at that time
ebon forge
I would say "Depends on your social class" entirely
spice flicker
It definitely took a sharp decline during and after the siege of terra
ebon forge
Of course Land has a monkey
bright dove
Who wouldn't want a monkey?
solemn gull
I think it was alright with all things considered around the thunder warrior time
A more civilized mad max vibe
pulsar cairn
Yeah true
naive abyss
knight animation neat
also im trying not to read too hard into the fact they are doing a loremaster on krieg lol
thin ibex
they're a popular regiment, end of the day, with a lot of interest pointed at em
naive abyss
i mean storm what i mean by not reading too much into it is connecting it over much to the various rumors saying were getting more plastic krieg lol
naive abyss
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/21/this-gorgeous-force-of-fallen-dar...
ok these fuck ngl
solemn gull
I’d love to see some new guard get love
thin ibex
i mean storm what i mean by not reading too much into it is connecting it over m...
ohhh gotcha
i still want new valhallans but im not waiting
new catachans i think is a big want, i forget are we getting those?
naive abyss
ive not heart rumors of it but it would make sense but who knows
like doing krieg makes the most sense in terms of profit and marketing ultimately
naive abyss
i still want new valhallans but im not waiting
thats me with vostroyans. hell i made my napoleonic old guard just to scratch that itch lol
untold swallow
<@494599098763313153>
ooo
thin ibex
yeah true, new krieg would prolly sell the best
i was figuring since catachans survived into the dex they might have an update on the timeline
naive abyss
depending on how expansive the krieg are if they happen ill have to make a hard call on which models to base my old guard guard on lol
spice flicker
Thoughts on this horus heresy list?
Legion: death guard
Allegiance: loyalist
Rite of war: armored spearhead
HQ:
master of armour (sicarian tank w/ searchlights and 3x heavy alchem flamers)
Troops:
2x2 predator talons
3x10 tactical Marines w/rhinos
Elites:
1x10 cataphractii Terminators w/ spartan land raider (two terminators have heavy alchem flamers)
1x10 tartaros Terminators w/ spartan land raider (two Terminators have heavy alchem flamers)
Heavy support:
1x10 heavy support squad w/ missile launchers and rhino
1x2 sicarian squadron
3000/3000 points
In short it's an armored list with 3 sicarians, 4 predators, 4 rhinos, 2 land raider spartan, and sixty infantry (30 tactica, 10 cataphractii, 10 tartaros, and 10 heavy support.)
thin ibex
not wallace i have a question. This whole time when you were pitching loyalist versions of chapters, did you mean HH and it just went over my hed?
thin ibex
ok whew lol
naive abyss
truly my eternal conundrum lol
id still use the fur hat heads with krieg to be clear it was just sorta impossible to edit the head onto that krieg impcat pose without it looking janky lol
solemn gull
Theres a pretty good kit from Atlantic that works for Vostryians
naive abyss
thats literally where im getting the head from lol
i dont like the bodies or guns and its easy to source just the heads lol
solemn gull
Hows the scaling?
naive abyss
also im sticking to my funny napoleonic old guard in space cuz ive grown fond of the idea of guard fighting nids while singing the onion song
naive abyss
Hows the scaling?
via eyeballing the heads and newer cadian kits pretty decent
spice flicker
Vostoyan kriegers?
naive abyss
itll probably take some fussing with the models with clipeprs and a knife but still doable considering ive saved refs of people doing it with the new cadians lol
solemn gull
That was my big issue making necromunda kitbashes mainline 40k scale is pretty wonky
naive abyss
solemn gull
Oh those look rad
naive abyss
That was my big issue making necromunda kitbashes mainline 40k scale is pretty w...
well its more some models are old and yet to be scaled to the modern scale also necromunda models are somewhat scaled larger than 40k
like as sorta a design conceit choic in the necromunda model range lol
solemn gull
That’s true but I’ve also found necromunda models to be more realistically proportioned in terms of hands and feet
naive abyss
thats in part due the size difference. also how realistic proportions are on 40k varies wildly with how old the kit is
cuz prior to the more modern like computer sculpted stuff it relied super hard on heroic scale proportions for models
unreal cosmos
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/21/this-gorgeous-force-of-fallen-dar...
Just me or does that Cypher look like they have a femme head swap?
naive abyss
its possible
if it is itd have to be an sob head i think
only range i know of from gw with hooded fem head with bionic eye
jaunty dawn
Regarding Horus Heresy and the thousand sons, what does the magus upgrade do for...
becomes a full psyker with a core psychic discipline
spice flicker
Thanks
unreal cosmos
only range i know of from gw with hooded fem head with bionic eye
Yeah it looks the the right shape but I can't think of what kit it would be from. Could just be the angle
naive abyss
i think it might be the cannoness or the sacresants
unreal cosmos
Oh right they do have some hoods
naive abyss
well you can give the whole squad of sacresants hoods lol
unreal cosmos
You know I don't care much for most SoB heads on Astartes bodies but hoods in DA is always fitting
(it's just that they have such a distinct look it's hard to not read them as Sororitas rather than a girl Astartes)
naive abyss
tbh for uncovered heads for lady marines the stormcast and lov are the best bet honestly
unreal cosmos
Stormcast seem solid yeah
naive abyss
unreal cosmos
I personally am always gonna want the lil earmuff things most Astartes have but there don't seem to be many options for that
jaunty dawn
statuesque miniatures does a set like that but they're not the same
but still looks good having a bit of underhelmet
unreal cosmos
I've always liked the look of those
jaunty dawn
they're great
unreal cosmos
Even just a little of the piping around the neck is good tbh, and you can do that with greenstuff
ebon forge
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/88/UFFSr35.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20161116031526 what is the source of this pic? I wanted a higher res one
naive abyss
its the cover from one of the HH books
ebon forge
thank ya
ebon forge
yo thank you kindly!
naive abyss
look like this was the specific book
ebon forge
Why do they have random dancers
jaunty dawn
for dancin
naive abyss
pretty sure its statues in different poses lol
i still find the fact the custodes on the rampart are running torwards it
floral herald
It could go either way really
naive abyss
like are yall fuckers about to try to jump on it
ebon forge
like are yall fuckers about to try to jump on it
Yes!
naive abyss
also i think the knight animation has a femc hell yeah
ebon forge
"I can't beat the shit out of you without getting closer."
naive abyss
lady knight pilots kick ass
ebon forge
also i think the knight animation has a femc hell yeah
which anim? 👀
naive abyss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT7vob0CHK0
this
ebon forge
niiice thank ya
jaunty dawn
adeptus titanicus?
pulsar cairn
i still find the fact the custodes on the rampart are running torwards it
to be fair, if they manage to get inside of it, they could deal some damage to the crew
jaunty dawn
ngl I've never even noticed it was a fight. thought it was a parade or somethin
pulsar cairn
same
naive abyss
yeah you have to like see that the people on the rampart are panicking and the custodes are like running forward with weapons ready lol
which is like a really small part of the pieces overall image lol
thin ibex
honestly like
whats the plan
when you have a spear with a bolter on it
when the walking gun castle is coming
you gonna shoot it?
with your spear bolter?
bright dove
when the walking gun castle is coming
Boarding actions
bright dove
Jump good
unreal cosmos
They all trained with that jungle man from Samurai Jack
thin ibex
just like 20 custodes hurtling through the air doing long jumps
hoping void shields just set them on fire like wazdakka
unreal cosmos
If I wanted a very fantasy-flavored Militarum list, what would be a good lore reason for a planet to have ogryns and ratlings?
solemn gull
Nah they are going to dark souls it
solemn gull
If I wanted a very fantasy-flavored Militarum list, what would be a good lore re...
Planet got settled by various regiments too destroyed by whatever they fought to be called back or merged, functionally wiped out as far as the administratum was concerned. So they got left to their own devices as the front passed them by
unreal cosmos
That's a good hook in my book
floral herald
hoping void shields just set them on fire like wazdakka
Void shields are safe to move through slowly generally
They’re sort of like dune shields
thin ibex
well apparently a motorcycle at terminal velocity gets set on fire going through, would a custodes launching themselves at speed? find out off panel
floral herald
Tbf an ork motorcycle at max speed might be approaching very high speed and might be very very flammable
tired cairn
Ork vehicle probably caught on fire incidentally while traveling through the void shields
Void shields use the Warp right? Pretty amazing it doesn't end up worse for everyone near it
floral herald
They’re seemingly like the most stable warp tech around
sour sequoia
Priming white and working to black is a pain in the ass but the lightning gonna look so good
tired cairn
I do not know why I am surprised that the Lexicanum article has an incredible range of effects and power attributed to void shields lol
junior summit
Void shields *are* safe to move through slowly generally
iirc in gaunt's ghosts some people get cut in half by a void shield activating while they're in the way
and in that book the shields were solid
the one where they're on not-bespin
floral herald
Those were static implacement shields I think that's different from the moving ones vehicles use
Which need to have a low speed passthrough so the vehicles can walk or drive or whatever
final tide
hihi i got a box of terminators thrown at my head
so now i have. so many terminators to build
tired cairn
Void shields also seem to differ on whether or not you can teleport through them, or if they are bidirectional or not
unreal cosmos
ooooo
thin ibex
thin ibex
Question
is it more cadian to have many leman russ
or to have baneblade?
tried to make a Cadian themed force is why i ask
i worry maybe i went too much basilisk
but big guns never tire
naive abyss
sorta random but i rewatched the broke lance animations trailer and man what is it recently with so much like secondary warhammer media doing nurgle
bright dove
Nurgle is very visually striking.
floral herald
I think all the gods are
naive abyss
yeah like every god is visually striking and honestly in some ways especially in super grimey 3d nurgle pops the least due to just naturally blending in with all the grim surrounding it lol
like idk give weird constantly shifting tzeentch demon stuff or weird slaanesh stuff
or hell vibrant blood splash khorne stuff with lots of fire
like i get that nurgle is the loss of pristiness and "honor tm" or something. but idk seeing some weird slaaneshy knights and a keeper who are like this weird pervesion of the knight virtues or something would do more than stink decay boys yet again.
like ultimately im excited for a cool knight animations. it just feels like sorta bizarre how much stuff recently has been nurgle.
maybe thats just sorta the side effect of me getting into the tides one after another though
on an entirely different note it would be kinda neat for when the do emperors children and fulgrim its also IW with perty
as sorta rehas of perty kicking the shit out of fulgrim
floral herald
I think its just a Nurgle Era for whatever reason
Like how much was Khorne stuff like a decade ago
I am definitely getting over it though
Esp since I think Tzeentch and Slaanesh have the most unique designs
upper canopy
Tzeentch era soon with Space Marine 2 hopefully
naive abyss
i mean honestly i dont remember there being ever a super big khorne era
other than i guess models?
sour sequoia
Its kinda always
naive abyss
like there was mark of chaos
sour sequoia
Chaos undivided is indistinguishable from Khorne just about
bright dove
Dawn of War 1 was big on Khorne.
naive abyss
thats not really accurate at all to me ngl
sour sequoia
Most players are gonna look at word bearers and see world eaters
bright dove
To the point we had a Khornate Sorceror in Dawn of War's story.
sour sequoia
Blood For The Blood God is phrases of all time for a reason
naive abyss
okk but they arent eatesrs and thats not the main kind of undivided
i mean its a well known phrase due to dow1 having great unit quips
its not even the only well known line from that game
floral herald
Dawn of War 1 was big on Khorne.
Yeah that was a pretty notable one
floral herald
All the aligned units were Khorne except Horrors, khorne sorc in the plot, World Eaters for the WA campaign
naive abyss
i forget if noise marines were a thing in the base game ngl
floral herald
They were in DoW2
sour sequoia
Most of Warhammer has been Khorne Era in general is the thing, it just feels like background radiation
naive abyss
i mean idk if i agree with that still tbh
sour sequoia
So now that its Nurgle Era it sticks out
naive abyss
i thnk its also like allot of the nurgle stuff has been almost carbon copies of each other and sorta boring usage of nurgle since its felt like just a way to use zombie models lol
upper canopy
Dawn of War 1 was big on Khorne.
The bad guy of every Dawn of War game was Khorne
Ulkair changed that for one expansion and then it stopped
naive abyss
really? that extra weird considerring i swear there was a thing with a great unclean one in 2
floral herald
I think the only daemons in that game even
floral herald
Oh, I guess I just didn't remember
Though it sounds like they weren't in it for long
upper canopy
There's like one elevator segment where you fight themn
naive abyss
i think its also not helped that allot of the nurgle stuff has been in grimey as fuck renditions of stuff
upper canopy
But yeah Ulkair is immediately upstaged by Kyras
naive abyss
so like its like throwing puke on top of a pile of mud lol
i shall say that hammer and bolter and the blacktalon series do nurgle good
like unironically i really liked the weird fruit thing with the blacktalon series
on another note are there any hedonite warbands mentioned by name in aos?
thin ibex
Honestly I thought with agrons resurgence, we were in currently in the khorne era
ebon forge
It looks like a smile
still warren
Is that from the 40k gacha game?
ebon forge
Warhammer 40k Battlesecttor
People say is the most accurate representation of the tabletop game in videogame form
models are pretty
thin ibex
I'm thinking about getting the various race expansions
naive abyss
Honestly I thought with agrons resurgence, we were in currently in the khorne e...
youd have thought lol
but i think vashtorrs gotten more in lore text screen time than him outside of i think angron got a new book?
well he was the focuse of one of the arks of omen books as well
and did his whole murderwave thing
i think that was his big thing so far
ebon forge
I-
I don't play the main tabletop what does that mean?
I only touched kill team 2e once and got too shy to play again
pastel rampart
"The machine-spirits in my servo arms have become...snarky, brother."
floral herald
lol
ebon forge
I love it
still warren
http://puu.sh/K1q2o/f270f1415b.jpg
That's my favorite mst3k character
pastel rampart
I was gonna go with Gypsy at first but there wasn't a good gif of her
naive abyss
thin ibex
pulsar cairn
Does the lady inquisitor like Cain?
ebon forge
Does the lady inquisitor like Cain?
Yes! ||They eventually bang||
pulsar cairn
What kind of spoiler is that beeg? Minor?
ebon forge
uhn... mmh...
I would put 'minor'
pulsar cairn
OH YEAH
ebon forge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie5SI7iPp84
Amen
pastel rampart
Twitter
pulsar cairn
no
tardy vault
Yes
pulsar cairn
naive abyss
I just realized those twin tails are not hair and have wax seals which is a big "ow that had to hurt and is gonna suck later" lol
this fucks Ngl
bright dove
Close-topped basilisk?
naive abyss
Good alternative model to the open top basilisk
naive abyss
Close-topped basilisk?
Yeah it's for solars
bright dove
Ye. I remember the Kriegers having a close-topped Basilik at one time.
naive abyss
Holy sit it has interior details
Ngl I might just use the solar vehicles for my guard
They fit their Napoleonic fancy vibe
bright dove
Works if you're doing Vostrayan inspired.
bright dove
Yeeeeee!
jaunty dawn
also a space marine basilisk that uses a rhino chassis
naive abyss
Works if you're doing Vostrayan inspired.
They kinda are but French
bright dove
God, there's some cool conversions out there.
jaunty dawn
while the mars-solar pattern the auxilia use a leman russ chassis
unreal cosmos
https://gyazo.com/b68c4ec5c5b1606eff13f605b3fd1e06 do the beige caps with the unwinged skulls mean anything?
bright dove
Probably for tank commanders?
junior robin
or commanding in general
junior robin
https://gyazo.com/b68c4ec5c5b1606eff13f605b3fd1e06 do the beige caps with the un...
"6x Cadian Cadet heads, with caps bearing a wingless skull" from item description
floral herald
also a space marine basilisk that uses a rhino chassis
The side exhaust there is pretty funny it’s so clustered
junior robin
TFW you cant give GW your money because marines cant use basilisks : 
also only me or did DA just get the most generic of combat patrols?
floral herald
It is pretty generic yeah
bright dove
Incredibly generic
junior robin
it at least comes with 2 upgrade sprues
bright dove
But hey, at least it's a good army base?
junior robin
I guess, unless you plan to do a raven/deathwing army
naive abyss
https://gyazo.com/b68c4ec5c5b1606eff13f605b3fd1e06 do the beige caps with the un...
I think they're meant to be the new conscript equivalent
That or to make homebrew regiments
thin ibex
honestly that just seems like a solid start collecting box for ANY chapter
which seems... maybe not the point
though out of curiosity, i see 1 of hte vets with a shield. Can you field mixed units like that with individual bladeguards in a non bladeguard unit?
junior robin
think the other 2 guys just have the shields on their back? 🤔
thin ibex
yeah honestly its a great box it just doesn't feel like dark angels
unreal cosmos
think the other 2 guys just have the shields on their back? 🤔
Yeah, it's a pretty posable kit in that respect
I think the unit picks are all pretty appropriate for Dangels but it feels odd to not use any of the unique ones they just rolled out. Also a little annoying for the captain not not have any gravis units to attach to in a proper game.
upper canopy
I mean hey it's Dangles
They're pretty cut and dry
"Regular Marines but plasma" 99% of the time
unreal cosmos
"standard guys, plasma guys, knightly guys, and a big swordy leader" are all pretty fitting for them, yeah
the 9E box for 'em was some intercessors, some inceptors, a dreadnaught and a chaplain, which all also feel appropriate
I like the whole-hog becloaked knights we have available now but a bulk of the chapter is still mostly generic SM with certain tactical proclivities
thin ibex
in general hellblasters are also just excellent generalist pick ups with an army getting off its feet
unreal cosmos
I wonder if I might prefer it with heavy intercessors for a little more synergy
glossy vapor
I do like the idea of the descendants of clone laborers for megacorps unfortunately carrying forward the deep flaws of that hypercapitalistic upbringing into the deep future, keeps with the tragedy/satire themes of 40k.
not @ing on reply because this Is a 4 day old comment.
junior robin
that new basilisk really makes me want to do a tank company now 
thin ibex
i did a cadian themes list earlier, i was unsure if 3 basilisks and a baneblade was too many basilisks
but my logic is that stuff might hide from the bb
and the basilisks will punish them for it
junior robin
really sad that the medusa dont have 40k rules, really like the short barrel look
naive abyss
I do like the idea of the descendants of clone laborers for megacorps unfortunat...
It's not really capitalist like at all
They're hyper materialist socialists tbh
Like everyone part of a league is freely given the stuff they need more or less
junior robin
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/astra-militarum/Medusa-Carriage-Battery
true, sadly not mounted on a tank (and £100 on the store 
)
bright dove
i did a cadian themes list earlier, i was unsure if 3 basilisks and a baneblade ...
I don't believe in the words "Too many Basilisks"
thin ibex
i figured anything that didn't want to be in the baneblades los could take a bit of damage and have their movement shut down
a fair trade
meanwhile the cadian shock troops push in to take objectives
ebon forge
https://twitter.com/Kabooski01/status/1760332361298784495?t=2m5zYNV3-1eToe4MJ334...
cool hair
thin ibex
i do still love the idea of a baneblade centerpiece to guard armies
i know they arent competetive like many larger models becaus of difficulty negotiating maps
glossy vapor
They're hyper materialist socialists tbh
Huh. don't know what to make of that.
naive abyss
Like they seemingly don't even have currency of any kind
And have weird giant pseudo unions that also exert political presence in the council based governments
Like the lov may unironically be the faction most comparable to the Soviets in some ways
Which is ironic considering the nonsense fans have stapled onto tau
upper canopy
They are capitalist in that their society is built around the accruement and exploitation of people/things for profit at least.
upper canopy
Resources can be profit.
naive abyss
It's never said they want that they literally want the materials
thin ibex
I think the "capitalist" vibe that people get is the economic mode around ceaseless growth, but I think that's not actually the sole domain of capitalism
upper canopy
Yeah people conflate capitalism with exploitation and growth
naive abyss
In this context it's way more materialists than capitalist I feel
upper canopy
That's not equivilent descriptors
It's like if I said "I wouldn't call them socialist, they're more Stoics."
unreal cosmos
I like to think different Leagues and even Holds probably have different economic models
naive abyss
I mean as I already said for a full label it's hyper materialist socialists imo
unreal cosmos
Their art has some cyberpunk vibes so it would be a shame to not give them a little capitalism, as a treat
naive abyss
Like literally its in lore stated they give people stuff when they need it and etc
I mean you can do cyberpunk without capitalism. I find the idea of that sorta stuff with more socialist structures fascinating.
jaunty dawn
profit is theft
votann afaik don't have like
a class who is exploited for the enrichment of another
jaunty dawn
yeah but they don't pay the people they shoot anything at all
thin ibex
That's more... imperialism isn't it? Or colonialism?
jaunty dawn
I'm not in any way arguing the votann are good lol
thin ibex
To go to new and exciting places, kill the people there and exploit their natural resources to exhaustion
jaunty dawn
just that it's accurate that they're not really capitalist
upper canopy
But like, they're much more "good" (for themselves) Anarcho capitalists
The only real government is a council of private corporations and entities
Besides a religion/theocracy based around an AI
Socialist implies they have a unified body that pools all resources together and then distributes them as needed.
Which they don't
jaunty dawn
tbf none of these words really have singular definitions
unreal cosmos
I think the hitch here is that Warhammer lore doesn't often dig into the means of production and such
jaunty dawn
but I don't think I'd call the leagues socialist either yeah
upper canopy
If we're talking about forms of government we do at least have like
examples of what most things these things are called do
thin ibex
Iirc each clan (I forget the name) is largely autonomous right?
naive abyss
I'm not in any way arguing the votann are good lol
Same to be clear on my stance lol
thin ibex
And even come into conflict with each other at times?
upper canopy
Yeah
bright dove
Exploiting a people to the point of genocide
I mean, the Imperium would also happily do this.
naive abyss
Socialist implies they have a unified body that pools all resources together and...
Yes they do. They have a council for that. At like ever level too
wintry mist
Socialist does not imply that
Socialist implies that the workers own their means of production (of which may or may not be managed by the state)
which they dont
jaunty dawn
who does
upper canopy
Craftworld Eldar
jaunty dawn
oh shit
naive abyss
The kin literally hold all their resources in common
jaunty dawn
eldar own all the private property in the leagues??
upper canopy
Oh
naive abyss
Like if you need something you're given it
upper canopy
I thought you meant "who does" like "who cares" and asking who in general in 40k does
dunno how I got that read tbh
naive abyss
Like that's the whole point of kindreds
upper canopy
But yeah all property is owned by Guilds which are essentially private corporations
naive abyss
They're like large politically unified not clans/families lol
naive abyss
But yeah all property is owned by Guilds which are essentially private corporati...
No it isn't
jaunty dawn
but if the guilds are made up of the workers that work that property
then that's just legal trivia
naive abyss
The guilds just have say in like production standards and reps on the councils
They're like basically very influential labor unions mixed with medieval guilds
Like the main political bodies are the leagues which are made up of multiple kindreds. Which functionally sorta shakes out kinda like the ussr with the various Soviets. Not one to one but it's comparable imo
thin ibex
honestly, Votann are almost feudal in terms of governmental structure
naive abyss
I mean. Ehh? They have no lords
Like their political leaders are like voted for sorta
thin ibex
was thinking more like each concurrent social structure starting at kindreds pledging allegiance to the next step up
naive abyss
That's what the Soviets are in the ussr
thin ibex
like each kindred to a hold, each hold to a league, each league led by a Votann
naive abyss
Like the ussr is composed of multiple Soviets(as in the geographical politically entity) which swear loyalty to the party
Also the votann don't rule the leagues
solemn gull
I love decentralized power structures
naive abyss
And a league can have multiple
Like ultimately votann are like highly respected like advisors lol
jaunty dawn
a votann is probably closer to property than a person ultimately
not in the way it's treated by the kin
naive abyss
Well it's a full AI
naive abyss
It's an artificial being version of Google lol
jaunty dawn
powerful? for lack of a better word?
they are definitely people don't get me wrong
but in terms of how the league economy is organised
they're more like The Land in feudalism than The Lord
thin ibex
O Ancestor Core, are acorns bad for dogs
CALCULATING
The answer then takes several centuries
upper canopy
O Ancestor Core, are acorns bad for dogs
`CALCULATING`
naive abyss
they're more like The Land in feudalism than The Lord
I can kinda see it?
I just think feudalism doesn't fit the leagues well as a comparative ultimately
jaunty dawn
no not really
naive abyss
Like with the ussr comparative the votann is like the holistic idea of "the party"
bright dove
Feudalism is over in the Imperium of Man tbh
naive abyss
Seen as core guidance and revered sorta
naive abyss
Feudalism is over in the Imperium of Man tbh
Absolutely
jaunty dawn
on an interplanetary basis maybe but there are tons of feudal worlds in the imperium
upper canopy
I think they mean "over there" not "it's all done"
upper canopy
The Imperium is feudal from the ground up
unreal cosmos
"the Emperor is less a head of state and more infrastructure" is a sentence that appeared in my head earlier today
bright dove
This is an absolute fact.
thin ibex
i wonder if even votan tech, which probably bears closer resemblence to DAOT sophistication, seems basic to necrons
naive abyss
I mean yes
upper canopy
Yep
naive abyss
Like daot tech was great but still was way below peak eldar and cron tech
thin ibex
i also wonder if there are eldar out there just like "damn we had so much cool shit" or the drukharii just check their vaults every so often and go "look at all this cool shit we just cant use"
bright dove
We get necrons calling out Ironkin as crude and basic in a story.
upper canopy
"Damn we had so much cool shit" is indeed the basis of basically the entirety of CWE society
upper canopy
junior robin
noticed now that IG tank squads are gone
thin ibex
in normal 40k? yeah
junior robin
so I guess tank companies must be less viable now...
thin ibex
i wouldn't necessarily say that, armor is in general reasonably powerful rn
and every kind of leman russ has its own datacard
you can do entire armies of just leman russ
main issue you run into is a lack of OC
and navigating maps efficiently
spice flicker
Don't Lemans gets objective secured or some special rule?
thin ibex
not that i remember
junior robin
and tank commanders only being able to give a order to a single tank per turn
upper canopy
Lemans were horrifically overpowered in 9th so
It's less "less viable" and closer to "balanced"
thin ibex
well, they got horrifically juiced in 9th as a bandaid to the entire rest of hte roster being bad
but in 10th you can absolutely field full tank armies
and do well
just gotta keep in mind your limitations
inso far as movement, melee, and OC
ill make one now actually
any requests on whats in it?
junior robin
maybe fit in a malcador infernus ?
tired cairn
and tank commanders only being able to give a order to a single tank per turn
That's why you got to take the horse rider man. He gets to give two orders to whoever he wants
spice flicker
Tempted to brainstorm an early WW1 style guard list of just guardsmen, mortars, and massed artillery.
WW1 before tanks came about.
junior robin
oh my poor infernus, you sure got nerfed from 9 to 10th
thin ibex
i dunno if wyverns were permissable
but itd be to pressure infantry playing the LoS game
and i went with loads of heavy bolters for volume fire
sour sequoia
Armor is in general dummy good in this edition, which has pushed everybody to making sure they have dedicated antitank so you’ll run into counters relatively often but yeah tanks work just bring some objective sitters for after
thin ibex
but essentially, the malacdor and demolisher shove up the mid, the normal leman russ pressure enemy objective holders, the vanquisher targets tanks, the executioner vultures, both tank commanders generally target infantry
shock troops back line like hell
sour sequoia
I haven’t seen a necron list without 3 LHD and a void dragon this edition lmao
thin ibex
twas a request for da list
brittle salmon
I see
spice flicker
Time for trench warfare
Death Krops Marshal, Warlord
Death Korps Marshal
Cadian castellan
2x10 cadian shock troops, grenade launcher on one for each squad
2x10 death korps of krieg, grenade launcher on one for each squad
3x10 infantry squad, grenade launcher on one for each squad
3x Earthshaker carriage battery
2x Medusa carriage battery
2x2 field ordnance battery, bombast field guns
3x3 heavy weapon squads, mortars
3x basilisk
2000/2000
1405 points of artillery and still have 70 infantry to fall back on.
Army will be made of paper thin material but your indirect fire and artillery output will possibly make some opponents hesitate.
thin ibex
maps just gotta reflect the trenches and have a lot of good cover for the infantry and weapon emplacements
cinder wraith
remember to pet your necrolith dragon before sleep
spice flicker
Or just go with the classic turtle for a bit until artillery softens up the enemy enough for infantry to surge ahead.
jaunty dawn
Leman russes are just oc 3 this edition, which is standard for a tank their size
like the same as a pred
so no troop russ
:T
thin ibex
they generally rely on having enough guns to kill things off of stuff rather than contesting the objective with OC
spice flicker
I call this list: The Price of a Mile or Why Wallace can't be allowed to play guards.
Death Krops Marshal, Warlord
2x Cadian castellan
5x10 cadian shock troops, grenade launcher on one for each squad
4x10 death korps of krieg, grenade launcher on one for each squad
6x10 infantry squad, grenade launcher on one for each squad
3x3 heavy weapon squads, mortars
2x3 rapier laser destroyer batteries
3x10 Death rider squadrons
2x scout sentinels with lascannons
2000/2000
I learned nothing from unending swarm nids
thin ibex
i do quite like putting the executioner autocannons on the commanders
gets a lot of shots out when killed
and decently generalist
spice flicker
Don't the executioners also allow the army to have 1 more ap to whatever it shot at?
thin ibex
the whole army? nah
but the executioner leman gets bonuses to hit against half strength enemies
the plasma cannon is a good pick for commanders too
because of the ap
spice flicker
Exterminator has the autocannons:
In your Shooting phase, after this model has shot, select one enemy unit hit by one or more of those attacks made with its exterminator autocannon. Until the end of the phase, each time a friendly Astra Militarum unit makes an attack that targets that enemy unit, improve the Armour Penetration characteristic of that attack by 1. The same enemy unit can only be affected by this ability once per phase.
thin ibex
oh thats to the leman russ not the weapon iirc
so the commander with it doesn't get that
the commander gets the shoot on death instead
the exterminator is a worthy addition though, for the extra AP
naive abyss
so this isn the warcom article today about total war...
naive abyss
who knows
maybe the team just eventually got murdered by new execs coming in or something
and people were probalby reassigned to work on plus i bet
jaunty dawn
mm
brittle salmon
I mean, makes sense to me - a fair majority of people are gonna want the old factions focused on and updated first
naive abyss
i mean it makes way less sense when the first announced the project cathay and kislev would be a focus
and we were shown concept art
hell theres a map of cathay for old world that just exists for no apparent reason now lol
brittle salmon
Sounds like TW3 being pushed back against made em kinda gun shy
naive abyss
ill be real that still sucks and just looks bad imo
brittle salmon
Because that announcement was 100% them riding on the game being a big success, but the controversies CA's gone through haven't filled them with confidence
brittle salmon
ill be real that still sucks and just looks bad imo
That's business!
naive abyss
i mean most of business sucks and looks bad
brittle salmon
That's exactly what I'm saying Unde
naive abyss
like ngl im not sure the point youre making cuz saying something like this like that just engenders even more skepticism in old world
fair enough i guess?
brittle salmon
like ngl im not sure the point youre making cuz saying something like this like ...
I'm giving a reason for why they would say what they said
Its really that simple
unreal cosmos
It's believable yet baffling
jaunty dawn
I mean its kinda like how everyone is confused by the lack of epic over legions imperialis
but the truth is probably just that the heresy team are the ones that wanted to make a 6/8mm wargame
as opposed to any conspiracy to hate xenos
idk
internal company politics filtered through incredibly opaque PR is just always mystifying I think
thin ibex
I started listening to the infinite and the divine, this is hilarious
I love it
Spy v spy stuff
Or Tom and Jerry
brittle salmon
Its sublime, I love it
molten hatch
remember to pet your necrolith dragon before sleep
of course im seeing you around
unreal cosmos
Is that gender bent dagnai Holdenstock?
I think it's just someone with similar fashion sense
swift rapids
anyone with kharadron fashion sense always has great fashion sense lol
cinder wraith
of course im seeing you around
ayoo waddup
cinder wraith
high priest "on foot"
molten hatch
ayoo waddup
Sup , started reading Lancer now i joined the other 3 Lancer players from my entire country
Damn these skeletons are cool
cinder wraith
Sup , started reading Lancer now i joined the other 3 Lancer players from my ent...
awesome! welcome
ebon forge
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RyGROe
Can you play as teh Skaven OR the Lizardman?
naive abyss
Lizards yes I believe but I don't think skaven have rules yet
ebon forge
Damn
Ah well Lizard shall do, how is the system gameplay wise?
also
The webway. Mankind is ascending, Ra. Humanity is taking a great developmental step, evolving into a psychic race
Then treat your psykers better, big E
bright dove
I mean, I still 100% understand being afraid of psykers. Not even for purposes of Daemons. Enslavers are a thing.
ebon forge
oh yeah but , like
Don't torture them and make them pass by agonizing stuff ?
There was that time big E ouright outlawed the use of Psychic stuff """As a test""" right?
naive abyss
Well it was more to deny magic existed lol
Cuz the imperial "truth" maintained magic wasn't real
tired cairn
I'm beginning to think that Big E was actually kind of an idiot
naive abyss
I mean yes
Due to a variety of preestablished things causing issues with the HH books he's been written to be sorta unintentionally hilariously incompetent
Like when I in the past said sigmar was smarter and savvier than him it wasn't much of a joke
Like in terms of in text events it's just kinda accurate imo lol
Like its this thing of you have to write how the iom came to be while being founded by a hyper intelligent super being
bright dove
Big E's problem is that he thinks he can enforce everything.
"Sure this could be bad, but I'm here to guide things along in the proper way"
He never, for a moment, thinks that his plans are falliable.
Which is a terrible mistake when one of your enemies is Tzeentch.
naive abyss
Also the worst communication skills probably ever lol
bright dove
Also that, for sure.
ebon forge
Absolutely, he should talk more with his sons and less with his Custodes
And he should had killed Angron
Like
Why the hell would you give a huge army for someone you know very fucking well it's mentally unstable and a murderous rage filled person?
ebon forge
While he was directly with them and with the custodes having them on a leash
molten hatch
Like
Why the hell would you give a huge army for someone you know very fucking w...
Because yes
bright dove
Also, comes down to a fact that even Big E can't stop from being relevant.
molten hatch
Best choice
bright dove
Space is big
ebon forge
With how much education he gives to the Custodes they would be better leading the World Eaters than Angron
And I do love Angron (from how tragic he is)
bright dove
If he was willing to slow down his expansion plans, sure, install someone else.
But he still has kids to find.
naive abyss
Like
Why the hell would you give a huge army for someone you know very fucking w...
Or at least not treat said person like dogshit to such provocational degrees lol
Like angron is capable of leading and being good even with the nails
bright dove
Because he does do good and lead well for a while.
naive abyss
Not so much when you reduce everything he loved to ash
bright dove
But also Big E did a thing that Angron will never let go.
naive abyss
Yup
bright dove
And that good part of Angron is why he will never let that go.
naive abyss
Like ah yes side with your sons slavers and kill his friends
Surely this shall have no consequences
bright dove
Big E forgets to act like the immortal god he is sometimes.
naive abyss
Ultimately he's a petty warlord and acts it imo
bright dove
Yuuuup
ebon forge
Yeeeeeah
bright dove
He's falling back on old habits.
ebon forge
he did really bad with Angron
ebon forge
And Angron, even if he lived the least of all the primarch, was a great way for Big E to show any care and love for the Primarchs
But no
Just throw him under the bus and act surprised when he betrays you
bright dove
Then there's Petty Perty.
I'm not sure Big E actualy doing things there would have helped Pert.
ebon forge
Petty Perty would need a lot of positive encouragements and allow him to do side projects
Like build that bath house he always wanted
bright dove
Indeed.
Perty does great in war, but he would have loved peacetime.
But instead, it's Dorn who gets taken from the front.
ebon forge
Like
Big E could used 100 years to make sure his sons are all well with him and THEN go back to the webway and not just
"Ok everyone is here, Horus, don't fuck this up, PEACE"
bright dove
But that would require slowing down his expansion.
ebon forge
Yeeeeah and he wanted that expansion done for yesterday
bright dove
He was already behind schedule, yeah.
ebon forge
Now he's 11k years more behind schedule
bright dove
Again, masterful play by the Gods of Chaos to make sure he doesn't just reincarnate again.
ebon forge
And with 1 less Malcador
ebon forge
Again, masterful play by the Gods of Chaos to make sure he doesn't just reincarn...
Agreed, Chaos won that one for sure
bright dove
The entire Horus Heresy was done just to get that.
Everything else that happens is just a nice side benefit.
ebon forge
Yeah, they never wanted Horus to win, they just wanted to cripple Big E enough and they did that perfectly
bright dove
Couldn't have gone better for them.
ebon forge
I think the biggest L they ever got in 40k was Nurgle garden being burned, aside from that
Chaos is winning a lot
bright dove
Yuuuup
And now they just need the Traitor Legion to never actually get their full win of killing the Big E
ebon forge
Which, in all honestly, they are already set for that, since the CMS do so MUCH in-fighting it would make a Skaven blush
I think their biggest treat at the moment is Perturabo and his new best """friend"""
bright dove
Yeeeeaaaaah
The CSM are largely there to enforce a baseline shittiness across the galaxy.
ebon forge
Pretty much
And I say we won't be seeing anything about Perty evolution in... the next5 years or so
Which in all honestly, as a corrupted Primarch? Good for him
Because all of the corrupted Primarch atm at non characters or one note
bright dove
Perty gets to be a fascinating character still.
ebon forge
Exactly, while , like
What is Magnus status atm?
bright dove
Sulking on his throne, iirc
ebon forge
Fulgrin?
bright dove
Who knows
Mortarion is gleefully cackling about gifts like some corpse-bloated Santa with a scythe.
ebon forge
Yeah, perty is doing pretty good all things considered
bright dove
Lorgar also gets his own personal hell thanks to the Imperial Creed
ebon forge
PPPFFF That's hilarious
bright dove
The Imperial Creed is a hilarious punishment for Lorgar, and the Gods of Chaos are probably laughing their asses off about it.
Imagine every time you go to battle, you get to hear people quote shit you said at you as they try to beat you.
And it's all the edgy teen shit you wrote that you hate.
That gets to be Lorgar's life now.
That, and running from Corvus.
For being the first Primarch to turn, the Gods of Chaos have gone "LOL, LMAO" to Lorgar.
pastel rampart
Lorgar's hinted at having finally left his tower after Corvus beat his ass, but that hasn't translated into a new model or stories.
bright dove
Good for him
tired cairn
For being the first Primarch to turn, the Gods of Chaos have gone "LOL, LMAO" to...
Though, all the chaos gods seem to screw with the primarchs sworn to them
pastel rampart
Which does point to him being the next traitor primarch to get a model, or at least the most likely. But GW might go "nah lol we're bringing in Fulgrim for the fuck of it"
bright dove
Though, all the chaos gods seem to screw with the primarchs sworn to them
They screw with all the traitor primarchs tbh
spice flicker
Good ol' Chaos
solemn gull
Wish there were more non-astartes champions of chaos
Like some rogue trader falling to Slannesh and deciding to make their life the greatest buccaneering story ever told
south axle
So, non-astartes, non-demon?
solemn gull
Yeah the majority of chaos worshippers are normal humans
naive abyss
I mean ehhh
It's more we just are never shown non marine chaos in 40k
Like fantasy and aos are filled to the brim with that stuff lol
thin ibex
tangential, but listening to more infinite and divine, and something i kinda like is that despite orks being an opponent that loses by not being the protagonists; the novel depicts them as being taken seriously by beings as egotistical as necrons. Which I appreciate
ebon forge
It's more we just are never shown non marine chaos in 40k
more or less, we do have Darktide and some Kill Teams now
pulsar cairn
You think if Khorne had a cat
Would he give his cat a tiny throne made out of skulls?
ebon forge
Absolutely
thin ibex
cat skulls
spice flicker
In HH can an HQ with a retinue squad still join another squad as well? For example if I have a cataphractii centurion with cataphractii retinue can he still join a 10 man squad of cataphractii?
thin ibex
i too do not get it
upper canopy
It's Cadia
a planet that used to be the first line of defense against chaos incursions out of the eye of terror c:
jaunty dawn
primaris psyker
jaunty dawn
In HH can an HQ with a retinue squad still join another squad as well? For examp...
nope
until his retinue dies anyway
thin ibex
ah ive never seen that before
the effect is lost on me, but thanks for the explanation
thin ibex
anyone got a 40k army theme to throw at me?
thin ibex
ebon forge
MadMax list, perfect
floral herald
I don't think this is a good post for this server, and flies pretty close to the sun so to speak with regards to the no war crimes jokes rule.
verbal tangle
Okey doke, sorry
floral herald
👍
thin ibex
Honestly I feel like the orky list could work as far as threat overload strategies
Only thing is I think it has trouble with heavy armor
But I think the army could effectively quarantine armor on their table side while keeping objectives
The main vector for AT are the killsaw nobs, but they're comparatively fragile
spice flicker
Working on a "thematic" list for HH imperial fists but I can't help but feel like I don't have enough of something and I can't place my finger on what I am missing that might make this better.
unreal cosmos
What have you got?
bright dove
Always has been
thin ibex
which app is this?
upper canopy
What's wrong with Gerard
thin ibex
Tabletop battles
ty
mental birch
Just the closet is safer IRL
thin ibex
how was the game? decent opponent despite the score differential?
mental birch
Yeah he just messed up turn 2
Dropped his load in a corner deepstrike
Allowed me to herd the ball of threat and
And pick his army apart
He also fell for the ghostkeel bair
Which is fair like I never know whether its worth it to go for one or not
spice flicker
What have you got?
2905/3000 points
HQ
Cataphractii Praetor, teleport strike, and storm shield
Elites
10x cataphractii with shields, teleport strike, and 2 have illiastrus assault cannons
2x5 tartaros with shields and one assault cannon each
Troops
2x10 breachers with a augury scanner
2x10 phalanx wardens with rhinos
2x20 tactical Marines with bayonets and augury scanner
Heavy Support
10x heavy support squad with missile launchers
2x vindicators
defensive shield wall with guns and durability was the idea bug something doesn't feel right and can't find a good way to fill the remaining points
spice flicker
I have one elite slot open so I can get one. If I got two with the same slot do both attach to thr same squad or can I split them?
jaunty dawn
all the apothecaries go to different squads
spice flicker
I don't see the sangyr mazyn as an option for IF
Making sure so that is two
I think I'll add them to the warders
spice flicker
Also I forgot to say I gave the praetor a shield and powerfist which is now that solarite gauntlet to make the list an even 3000
Trying to toy with a few list ideas among multiple legions to see which I like best: thousand sons, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists
unreal cosmos
Apothecaries make big tactical blobs even harder to get off of points
I might replace the scanners with vexes tho
spice flicker
Besides the suzerain and fulmentartus, what are some good units to take with Alpha Legion's rewards of treachery?
spice flicker
I might replace the scanners with vexes tho
Oh?
unreal cosmos
Unless you're real concerned about intercepting, Tacticals don't benefit much from scanners, but they do appreciate defenses against getting chased off points
I'm not an expert tho
jaunty dawn
bolters don't do an awful lot against the things that trigger interceptor generally
spice flicker
I see
unreal cosmos
Also they don't benefit from the night fighting effect
pine matrix
Thinking about HH, is the main appeal of Heavy Support Squads their cheapness? I got some more squads to build and wonder if it'd be worth doing a HSS with missile launchers
But could just as well fill up my existing squads with More Tactical Guys
jaunty dawn
they are wildly cheap
and they can be upgraded with stuff like Master of Signals
and they can return fire/overwatch/interceptor with their heavy weapons
pine matrix
Word
I have like a whole other age of darkness box unbuilt so I'm just dreaming what I could use all those marines for
Gotta finish painting up my Deldar though
unreal cosmos
I have a launcher squad for their versatility and aesthetics, but they're close to a "jack of all trades master of none" situation. Big lascannon squads are widely considered overpowered
spice flicker
I am kinda warming to Iron Havocs autocannons a little but in general missiles being jack of all trades is my general preference.
unreal cosmos
Autocannons are also flexible but it comes down to taste
pine matrix
Weren't Iron Havocs made into legends units? Or are they still usable, they just won't get dedicated models?
unreal cosmos
Here's the best part
In Horus Heresy, all Legends units are legal in any context
It's just a model thing
spice flicker
Also like how HH DG can be clean looking and not gross like in 40k. That's my opinion at least.
unreal cosmos
HH DG fans can be very vocal about their distaste for tentacles and belly-mouths lol
The bone white and desaturated green is a great combo
solemn gull
I like it a lot more honestly, the white is a great canvas for the decay to begin creeping onto
thin ibex
trying to decide if i was doin spirit host themed list for aeldari if a wrathknight is warranted
cause thas a lot of points
that could be more wraithlords or wraithguard
jaunty dawn
de nurgled plague marines all look amazing too
spice flicker
floral herald
Oh those are neat
naive abyss
Ngl I'm fine with the gribble but something about these somewhat cleaner ones is a vibe
I think it's because they scratch my chaos warrior itch
In that like the chaos isn't hyper overt
Cuz that's one of my issues sometimes with some chaos models
unreal cosmos
A big part of the appeal for me is how mismatched the armor is, like look at those backpacks
While tidier than even vanilla chaos Astartes, their base designs are still more varied
floral herald
I do like how varied they are
The sculpts also look pretty good in hh era DG colors
thin ibex
i feel like you could do some pretty nice scrungly normal space marines using clean nurgle marines
just with changing up the colors
solemn gull
The flat green just looks too clean to me idk
naive abyss
Ngl I'm sorta neuron activated by this
Like 40king up chaos warrior would be peak for me Ngl
junior robin
I wonder if anyone have done the opposite 
pine matrix
Reading through the HH legends again, I just realised that the Excindio Battle Automata's Kill-switch can specifically only be taken by Dark Angels, so if it's selected as Reward for the Alpha Legion, they'd have no way to kill it remotely if it goes haywire
Honestly that would be so goddamn funny to take, fuck it take the three that the AL Rite of War gives you, let chaos reign as you unleash tech-horrors you have no way of subduing
unreal cosmos
That's a great narrative angle lol
spice flicker
Not an option at least in battlescribe
With rewards of treachery should those units be painted as AL or whatever their original legions were?
bold halo
Ngl I'm sorta neuron activated by this
people started doing this like 20ish years ago to make truescale marines and it whipped then as much as it still does
it genuinely took so little effort to turn those chaos warrior bodies into believable space marines that were actually closer to how big they should be next to guardsmen
don't get me wrong still a solid amount of work but not as bad as like, cutting and adding material to space marine bits to make arms and legs longer
naive abyss
just to me it looks so much better but im also a chaos warrior stan
like this looks like a space reaver of chaos
here to burn and pillage in the name of the dark gods
like i unironicaly kinda wish csm looked more like this
instead of like just spikier loyalists
hell id probalby bue pretty into just butting chaos warriors heads on csm bodies too
solemn gull
I don’t get it
naive abyss
mental birch
thin ibex
storm schooner
Forever sad that you can't put Iron Priests on Wolves
Just lets them be a much bigger present on the board
pine matrix
With rewards of treachery should those units be painted as AL or whatever their ...
Personally I'm planning to paint my Angels Tears in the AL scheme, I even replaced the heads with AL helmets. The way I see it, they've stolen the unique equipment for their purposes
pine matrix
Not an option at least in battlescribe
Aw nuts, you're right, they're not available because they don't have the Legion trait :(
These damned Abominable Intelligences just aren't team players
cinder wraith
took me two days to build them in my free time
junior robin
finally got rogue trader
a bit anoyed though that they send it in a box about 2/3rds too big...
molten hatch
took me two days to build them in my free time
Me needing a blood transfusion everytime i build berzerkers
My friend even made a sticker on whatsapp for me using that one pic of yamcha dead
cinder wraith
haha
mental birch
long void
RIP Ice Bears and Terracotta Golems
junior robin
wonder if they decided to delay kislev because of the war or if they basically had just done the sketches when they showed them off way back in march/may 2020 🤔
pastel rampart
Could also be the overall response to Total War 3, which has been not as stellar as people hoped.
But also, GW is juggling a lot of games right now and there's supply issues. It might've been a practical choice of "we can't produce two whole new armies for a game revival we don't know how well it'll even do."
junior robin
that is true
pondering for my chaos LoV to make one of each character dedicated to each chaos god, so now I just have to figure out which of iron-master and kâhl should be nurgle/slaanesh 🤔
pastel rampart
Slaanesh one is obsessed with making the perfect beer.
Has the wild idea of distilling an entire world's worth of people into a single bottle of beer.
solemn gull
Craft brewery demon planet
bright dove
Rad
unreal cosmos
ooo...
pastel rampart
I've toyed with an on-again/off-again project of doing a Speed Freak force of "greaser" orks, aka 50's dragsters with leather jackets and pompadours.
Get a bunch of plastic car kits that'd fit that time period and ork'em up.
valid brook
Kustom Kulture
naive abyss
a bit anoyed though that they send it in a box about 2/3rds too big...
Mine came damaged sadly so now I'm dealing with customer service for a replacement
upper canopy
naive abyss
junior robin
hmmm, tzeench bretonnia using pegasus knights as tzaangor guys on disks
junior robin
now I cant stop thinking about putting marines on bretonnia horses and use them as thunderwolf cavalry
naive abyss
That's me with the new seraphon Ngl
Like if I wasn't weary of it being weird and of the work needed to do it I'd love aztec dino marines
instead I'm just considering doing space chaos warriors as a kill team or something lol
Cuz I sorta just adore this look
pastel rampart
That was a semi-popular choice for CSM back in the late 00s/early 10s.
naive abyss
Yeah this is from 2010
And Idk it just hits my brain right
It's like this just right mix of the warriors look I like and marine
It's sorta what I wish csm looked like
junior robin
ork stationary freaks
jaunty dawn
space marine boarding force
unreal cosmos
Speaking of!
jaunty dawn
oooooh
naive abyss
capes
Yeah like it looks more like a space marine that is raiding and reaving to me is I think what it is
Instead of spikey loyalist marine lol
thin ibex
ork stationary freaks
thin ibex
space marine boarding force
pastel rampart
Twitter
proud wing
"some of the men are on edge, sir. I think burning a few forests would help calm them down."
desert jay
⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ for morale purposes
runic swallow
Technically not what recon by fire is, but also approve of the “Fuck them grid squares” method of killing the Scary Bug
desert jay
"Recon by fire" (bomb it flat and sift through the rubble to see what you hit)
runic swallow
Recon by fire is another, only slightly less silly thing: if you are unsure where enemy emplacements and troop positions are, attack them and either win or find out for next time
junior summit
while it sounds silly there are worse ideas
uneven ember
("fuck it we ball")
junior summit
"actually spot where the enemy is" is vastly preferable but if you can't then well
desert jay
[guy in a trench hearing gunfire] "that's bait"
uneven ember
I feel like it's less "recon" and more like how a rocket engine might have a "rapid unscheduled disassembly"
runic swallow
while it sounds silly there are worse ideas
Oh I know, sometimes you do really just gotta go and figure out what’s what, but it is still a somewhat “wait what” idea when you first explain it
If you do it right it’s basically probing attacks in areas to figure out what is where generally for the Big One, but if done wrong it’s “that time a dumbass colonel got his battalion killed”
junior summit
"some of the men are on edge, sir. I think burning a few forests would help calm...
there's a fairly recent US army manual covering what to do if you get attacked by aircraft and it basically says that while shooting at a plane with small arms won't do anything to the plane it will make your troops feel better
hold on I can track it down
junior summit
If you do it right it’s basically probing attacks in areas to figure out what is...
I guess the third option that the guard takes is "well we know what it is now because it's all ashes"
runic swallow
Yeah true
uneven ember
Wasn't there something like that with the USSR during WWII?
Like, something about how there's not much in the reports because when you open up with as much artillery as they were using the infantry really has nothing to write about?
floral herald
Recon by fire as a term was originally an american thing in WW2
Which basically meant sustaining an assault by driving a lot of armor forward very fast and shooting everything which looked vaguely like a german position
The idea being to pre-emptively suppress anti tank teams and such while keeping up speed and pursuing a retreat
thin ibex
I each to make more boarding actions