Warhammer and Such

[cloud flicker]

They might like it.

It is defintely different enough to warrant.

It has the stupid anti-cheat though.

Blegh.

[brittle salmon]

What issues?

[still warren]

Stormcast might also get unlucky and get their soul eaten by an Ogor

Oh oops that's been said

[cloud flicker]

There are a few enemies in both factions that feel too powerful for how common they are.

[floral herald]

wait both factions?

[cloud flicker]

Yeah

[brittle salmon]

eh, I don't super agree

Except for Chargers

[floral herald]

what happened to the Illuminate???

[brittle salmon]

Not in yet

[floral herald]

I can't complain those mfs are annoying

[brittle salmon]

But imo, the bot gameplay in 2 is so different to the bug gameplay it makes up for it

[floral herald]

That's fair

[brittle salmon]

radically different dynamics

[floral herald]

The Illuminate were the "weird" faction in 1 so if they're more differentiated now it's probably fine

I've been tempted to pick the game up but idk

[brittle salmon]

I've been enjoying it a lot

[floral herald]

I did like HD1 a lot

I'll check it out, see if anyone is playing later

[thin ibex]

I si think charger spam can get crazy but that's kinda what you ask for on harder difficulties

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/stormcasteternals/comments/ossqfg/yndrasta_the_celestial_spear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/9Enveo

[pulsar cairn]

that's so cute

kroot dog

are kroot dog just funny lil kroots who ate too many dog like creatures?

[jaunty dawn]

kinda yes

no kroot hound alive today was ever a walkin talkin kroot

but their ancestors were

once

focused too much on eating stuff thats lithe agile and bitey

[unreal cosmos]

it's interesting how kroot beasts give a very good reason for them to eat sapient creatures lol

tho I assume they can maintain stability through cannibalism

[floral herald]

Huh that’s true

[upper canopy]

They kinda can't but not really

They turn into "genetic dead ends" that way

[unreal cosmos]

makes sense, I guess it's lucky they developed spaceflight lol

[pulsar cairn]

what does their ships look like

[naive abyss]

so somehow my ultima founding iron warriors derived loyalists have become like weird gaul-norse siege marines who love hammers and are known for being boorish even by marine standards

and just shout "Fág a' Bhealach!" as their warcry which is just irish for "out of our way"

Hammers of Thuir-Kaul is the name as of now lol

[bold halo]

ball

[naive abyss]

which is me smashing an alternate spelling of thor, the word gaul in part, and an irish word for boar into one horrible blended combo

current idea for their scheme lol

also current inspo for their chapter symbol

cuz they reverre their weird space version of boars lol

[uneven ember]

I dig it.

[uneven ember]

Also they developed space flight through a light ork invasion, or at least that was the lore back in 3rd.

[uneven ember]

& ya also the Kroot Ball (warsphere) come in size from light cruiser to significantly bigger than an Imperial battleship.

[naive abyss]

The Legion's gene-seed showed above average adaptability and a below average resistance rate to Bionics. This allowed the Legion to be one of the largest and the earliest deployed alongside the I Legion and V Legion.

Ngl this bit of IW lore makes them perfect as a way to say the admech modified some geneseed to allow female marines with the hammers lol

Hell it even gives a compelling reason for why they used the traitor geneseed lol

[naive abyss]

https://youtube.com/shorts/eV1xgfMoEU8?si=ufbVLZl7li23zZij

[jaunty dawn]

imperial fist gf wants to uhaul while imperial warrior gf wants to destroy all houses is this anything

[naive abyss]

Maybe? I feel a fist wants a fixer upper. While the Iron warrior just wants an excuse to sledgehammer a wall lol

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah nice

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/12/slip-through-the-battlefield-and-pounce-on-your-prey-with-the-new-kroot-trail-shaper/

[jaunty dawn]

oh his gun is break action

[spice flicker]

I showed a friend the new kroots and this was his response:
"Watch someone try and kitbash one of the new kroots into something like a predator."

[jaunty dawn]

this sillhouette is so much better

[unreal cosmos]

Hella

[jaunty dawn]

I think I have seen yautja heads for kroot on cults

[pine matrix]

Loving these guys!

[past sphinx]

He's got a fantastic shape to him

Feelin like he's gonna be a kroot merc for munda

But also truly massive tactical rock

[jaunty dawn]

he's a field shaper

tracks and in charge of strategic approach

[unreal cosmos]

As good as the model is I can't help thinking it would probably be really easy to use the Blackstone Fortress character I already have for the role

[jaunty dawn]

the kroot hound article hinted we'd get a mounted shaper too

Reading the anphelion project and it's kinda interesting how one of the big advantages of tyranids is subterranean superiority

as well as being able to provide saturation of all fields of battle while the imperial guard on site only have a few vultures to support the elysian's valkyries

would be kinda fun to see a battle thats like, fought with mole mortars and assault drills vs trygons and raveners

[south axle]

Hopefully he gets some nice rules

[jaunty dawn]

but they also establish air superiority despite not having supersonic flight by just mining the hell out of it with meiotic spores, changing the atmosphere so enemy aircraft breaks down quicker, and just physically throwing themselves into engines

[tepid stratus]

Lmao the aosification continues with birdman gives AOS style refeploy

[jaunty dawn]

lots of units have that now tbf

[tepid stratus]

Really? Guess I've never seen any in play.

[jaunty dawn]

termagants for one

[tepid stratus]

Huh so they do. I've only ever shit at termegaunts since the nids player I get games with likes hormagaunt screens

[hearty relic]

no matter what edition Tyranids are a nightmare

[mental birch]

Looool

Redeploy+scout bullshit

[quaint compass]

I love my slippery chickens

[pine matrix]

Looking great!

[still warren]

Just noticed that the slab of meat has a tattoo on it

[naive abyss]

Yeah that's a bit of tasty human right there

[thin ibex]

Turn up the heat

[naive abyss]

Tweaking the colors for the hammers and not sure which I prefer lol

One and two is just different colors for the gun decorationlol

[topaz elk]

I like the third the most tbh

Though with the silver gun

[south axle]

Trim looks nice

[unreal cosmos]

The trim adds some symmetry

[naive abyss]

So like this?

[topaz elk]

Yah

[spice flicker]

Any list building tips for SoB?

[jaunty dawn]

main thing we have going for us rn is a lot of cheap units with only a couple models

palatine with blade of st ellynor

immolators let you split a squad in two

so you can put all the important stuff in one half in the immolator and then have yet another cheap msu

[spice flicker]

https://pastebin.com/nV0u1DZ6

This was my rough draft idea.

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1757053838190633157?t=Tzk8eUVo9LY7x0nyX1GHZA&s=19

[solemn gull]

Even the redemptionists would probably turn on these guys

[long void]

hmmm... needs 4 more sons to really fill out the roster of 13.

[bright dove]

Indeed

[naive abyss]

apparently its based on actual cawdor lore

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1756837538281501000

[unreal cosmos]

oh beautiful

[naive abyss]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/iron-demon

gods i know just using this as a count as daemon prince for IW would be a disservice to perty but man is it not tempting as fuck

especially now that mk3 has been scale updated

[unreal cosmos]

are any Marks of Chaos especially good for certain mortal units, like cultists and traitor guards?

[sweet solar]

depending on the height, you could do counts as a knight?

[naive abyss]

lol true enough

but then itd be a weird thing of perty not being an hq but hed def have beefier stats at least then

[floral herald]

MoN is particularly good for that one stratagem which stops people from targeting at range. MoT makes them weirdly shooty and MoK makes them more credible in melee

I think the norm is MoN

[naive abyss]

either way its a cool ass stl

glad somebody made a good proxy of that one golden demon model tbh

[unreal cosmos]

Noted!

I'm toying with an All Mortals 1k list that I'll probably never make

[floral herald]

Oh cool

I'm actually not sure what the read is now because two of the standout mark-locked strategems got nerfed in the last balance dataslate

[naive abyss]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTpIm4dKF_z/?img_index=1

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[floral herald]

I think MoN is probably still best for backline units even with the targeting lockout at 18" instead of 12", but I think the old norm of using Undivided for its very powerful melee buff is kind of past since that strategem got hit pretty hard

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWy1UCRv2IQ&t=1s

[naive abyss]

Scathmara Ó Thurann, The Thunder Crowned, High Thane of the Hammers of Thuir-Kaul (Chapter Master lady for the Hammers)

[pastel rampart]

Queen of Bonking for short.

[mental birch]

Looks like pork belly

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/true-correct-bingo-right-yes-gif-18348440

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1450365008/ravagers-of-the-north-miniatures-heads?click_key=aba28bc55e97ff89636917efbfd3a7de7ec74301%3A1450365008&click_sum=b0d82110&ref=user_profile&frs=1

ngl i love some of these heads

[thin ibex]

Aos or 40k list tonight

[spice flicker]

AOS nighthaunt

Of what might a loyalist word bearer successor chapter list might look like. That's actually got me a little curious as to what kind of sm army would that be.

[thin ibex]

Hmm, in 40k? I could take a crack at it, but I honestly kinda think UM kinda capture that vibe

[spice flicker]

40k

[thin ibex]

Simple and straightforward

[thin ibex]

I don't really have a bead on a unique word Bearers combat trait that doesn't have to do with Daemons or faith, so I mostly made a generalist, traditionalist sm list

[jaunty dawn]

fwiw the implied word bearer primaris chapter are officially salamander successors

faith is represented by them fuckin lovin the promethean cult

but also wb do have a fire and melta aspect in their original role as the Iconoclasts

one of their mentioned chapters from the hh days was even mechanised flamer squads

[crisp lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/_nijik/status/1757257632304226688

[naive abyss]

I also like the idea that she's a librarian which is part of where she gets the title thunder crowned lol

[thin ibex]

Ahh ok yeah I do not know them well at all so I felt a bit directionless there

[jaunty dawn]

black templars could also work because one of their other tactics was just using large squads in general

as well as the faith aspect there

[topaz elk]

https://youtu.be/Eg_PlDho4sg?si=D5B5bhJ9M-x_rXv9

[thin ibex]

I do feel like given half an opportunity, loyalist word Bearers would love to use a basic fighting unit called Crusaders

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/PaintMiniature/status/1757203486230356273

[bright dove]

I feel bad for asking the question.

But where's the chaplin?

[topaz elk]

What’s the name of the like

Even lower then grots greenskins?

Like even grots are able to bully them around

[azure heron]

Snotlings.

[topaz elk]

Thanks

[past sphinx]

His name js old slappy

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/difmanm/status/1756245025653178414?s=46&t=7e1ApQbqRukWQARisQg8Rg

[thin ibex]

He couldn't attach to sword brethren and all my other transports were full up!

I guess I could have got a Terminator chap. Hmm

[bright dove]

This is a fair complaint

[solemn gull]

Precious

[naive abyss]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-star-navigator-332659

This is a vibe

[pastel rampart]

The only navigator with good posture in the entire imperium.

[dense sedge]

Espern and Cassia would disagree

[junior robin]

finally, goiter marines

my guess is nurgle terrain for warcry

[mental birch]

Necron protons dammit

[naive abyss]

I just like the look and her staff having a planetarium/orrery is great

[bright dove]

Hey, that's good terrain!

[rocky shale]

That's cheap compared to GW terrain

[sweet solar]

obvs u gotta do him as a knight in a chaos knights army

with the ole heresy robots as armigers

[naive abyss]

Lol fair

I do still prefer him with marines. Like ultimately Im a collector first and at worse I run him as a daemon prince or as a proxy for a different character

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/101ho_/status/1757005971803766847

[floral herald]

https://fxtwitter.com/Spinegrinder117/status/1757328356406648843?s=20

[pine matrix]

One Piece ass Kroot

[solemn gull]

I don’t understand how kroot keep their baseline sub-species. If they will inevitably accumulate a bunch of traits from other species the only way to remain a Kroot(kroot) is to eat other pure kroot

Did I get that right?

[floral herald]

It's real carefully

Though mainline Kroot are not "pure"

It's been pretty heavily hinted at a few times that they're Ork/Kroothawk hybrids

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

that's why the leaders of their society are the ones in charge of wot to eat

but even if a kroot eats a billion dogs it still becomes a kroot dog and not a dog dog

[quaint compass]

Stick a hundred-thousand basketballs in a bag, and it's still a bag

[jaunty dawn]

they also do eat each other to an extent

which helps

[past sphinx]

Guiding kroot evolution is a huge part of their culture

There's a kroot shaper in literally every single squad

[unreal cosmos]

Standard endocannibalism, it's how their honor their dead

[past sphinx]

I do seem to recall there beyond some short fiction on that in a tau codex

[unreal cosmos]

Also speaking of auxiliaries, looks like we are getting new Vespid models lol https://thefifthtrooper.com/geonosians-unit-guide/

[past sphinx]

Passing their strength onto their comrades in a sort kf way

[pine matrix]

Can you play as Gunguns in Legion or are they too unpopular?

[unreal cosmos]

Not the last time I checked but Eons of Battle printed/kitbashed an entire army together out of dedication

[pine matrix]

That is some dedication, kudos to them!

[long void]

There was a good blurb from either a white dwarf or a Tau codex about a kroot shaper's thoughts on Tyranids.

[naive abyss]

you know i wonder how much of a pain in the ass it would be to like model on down feather "fur" akin to artic dinos on kroot

cuz i feel that would look cool tbh

[floral herald]

Textured fur isn’t that hard to greenstuff decently well but it’d be a lot of work for a whole army

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

i know conceptually doing fur is simple but itd be so much greenstuff lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think you could get like

a stamp that would make it quicker

but still a lot of work for a horde army

[naive abyss]

oh yeah like i could def find ways to make it go faster but still lol

im also in this weird spot of i now wanna do a kroot army but im not sure what i want to pit them against

cuz im unsure if making them kroot rebels fighting tau is against the spirit of doing tau armies lol

also the sorta meta level bizareness of it being technically tau vs tau

[jaunty dawn]

kroot vs traitor guard

both are subsections of a mainline faction

[pastel rampart]

Kroot vs Catachan

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah

the kroot army list that did exist was basically designed for that matchup

[thin ibex]

kroot v catachan v nid seems fun

[jaunty dawn]

both armies had special rules for jungle fighting specifically

[pastel rampart]

It was! And at one point I had planned to do a Catachan army vs this dude's Kroot army as a recorded narrative that'd we'd eventually write from the perspectives of two young fighters on either side.

[thin ibex]

or kroot v catachan v nid v eldari rangers vs kommandos

[pastel rampart]

Never went anywhere tho (and that dude was an asshole anyway)

[thin ibex]

kroot v rangers would be a fun box tbh

[sweet solar]

kroot vs exodites

[naive abyss]

||https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/keeper-of-temptations||

cool keepers of secrets stl. cw its a keeper of secrets stl lol

[jaunty dawn]

daemons are kinda weird

[naive abyss]

?

[jaunty dawn]

I want some in my chaos collection but idk how to go about it

I think partially the like, 40k/fantasy ones feel so. archetypal

[naive abyss]

fair

[jaunty dawn]

like all the khorne stuff is very similar

etc

[naive abyss]

i likem but i get the issue

tbh most of them have aged well other than tzeentch

imo

[jaunty dawn]

altho I think despite the prevelance of birdface tzeentch is the most diverse

cause you got horrors and screamers and flamers

I do like screamers a lot

[naive abyss]

tbh when considering hedonites i find slaanesh the most diverse

but i suppose thats counting in mortals when i shouldnt

[floral herald]

Overall I think the daemons line would benefit from not being the crossover faction

[naive abyss]

i dont mind it but they should have some distinct to each stuff imo

[floral herald]

Or being the crossover faction but in a way which is like “fuck it, have 40k aesthetics in fantasy and vice versa”

[naive abyss]

sorta like the tzaangors

[jaunty dawn]

my chaos is like heresy first though so I kinda want to avoid overly factioned anyway

[naive abyss]

where they have 40k and aos options

[jaunty dawn]

I mean juggernauts exist so it's not like there's no prescedent or proof that it works

stuff can just look robotty without being necessarily 40k

[floral herald]

Give me ranged hybrid brassletters with guns for heads or something

Or that horrible wheel machine daemon

[jaunty dawn]

I like a lot of the creature caster stuff

[floral herald]

https://preview.redd.it/some-cool-looking-daemon-engine-art-in-vashtorrs-army-of-v0-w6zll2zv0kma1.png?auto=webp&s=b0428941c7913c8e80249dafb22c8a6112cdba8f

[naive abyss]

tbh i suspect thats them teasing dark mech

but i could be wrong lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think there's an angle on like. sexless old man marines of faith and their angels being like. woman

but it's kinda weird cause outside slaanesh it's very 'genderless via masculinity'

[topaz elk]

That art goes so hard

[naive abyss]

in fairness most of the modern slaanesh is more andro

and also its not just the marines daemons

[jaunty dawn]

it is yeah

[naive abyss]

thats more just 40k failing to give us anything other than chaos marines as a chaos faction

[floral herald]

It’s real good

[jaunty dawn]

but that wasn't a contrast I was making more just that the rest all do it

[floral herald]

And shows off how you can have crazy technodaemons

[jaunty dawn]

and yeah but word bearers haha

but it works for cult too in going for like the old pagan god vibe

[naive abyss]

ive never seen the others as all that masculine tbh

[jaunty dawn]

in a patriachal theocracy being the hegemony

[naive abyss]

like bloodletters are arguably th emost masc shaped and they just sorta read as weird and spindly to me

i get slaanesh having more like gender stuff going on in its design too tbh

[jaunty dawn]

I think that's society partially tho

[naive abyss]

?

[jaunty dawn]

idk I'm digressing

I guess for me more what I want out of daemons is like not very attached to the big four

and more like having a weird eldritch thing for marines to covet and for mortals to have an ancient faith in

[naive abyss]

fair

i feel you get that most out of things like the torments

[jaunty dawn]

I do like them a lot yeah

I have a daemon prince but I plan on making him more beastman inspired than anything

[floral herald]

Even if they are more weird unique monsters feels more on brand for chaos - especially with how many of the novels describe them

[naive abyss]

and im also fond of doing unidvided chaos stuff myself

[jaunty dawn]

he's the son of my chaos witch girlboss who knows better than to give her own soul to the gods

[naive abyss]

to the point i made my chaos warriors a militantly undivided warband

[floral herald]

I’ve never really liked the chaos gods having very distinct ranks and types of daemons though

[naive abyss]

who worship some platonic ideal of chaos and its sorta like expressing itself as weird fire and shit lol

i do also really like the fan idea of deamon perty

this shit fucks

the irony is probably my fave daemon primarchs design wise are fan designs for the two undivided ones

https://www.deviantart.com/mrtoothytheshadowman/art/Lorgar-Daemon-Primarch-of-The-Word-Bearers-875977679

still love this idea of lorgar

also vashtorr is probably my fave 40k daemon

design wise and like conceit wise

[jaunty dawn]

I like screamers

they're funny little fish guys

oh and beasts of nurgle

and juggernauts

[floral herald]

Juggers are cool

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dK5OwJ

[jaunty dawn]

ooh

this is pretty neat

novitiates

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/alternative-kill-team-for-the-battle-sister

like the bow especially

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dK58lw

[uneven ember]

heh
I like

[naive abyss]

Scathmara Ó Thurann, The Thunder Crowned, High Thane of the Hammers of Thuir-Kaul and Bearer of Ghaul Mudraz (Hammer whose name means Sky-Splitter). added on a bit more onto the titles lol

totally not an obvious sigmar reference i swear

[jaunty dawn]

impossible

[bright dove]

Now channel Settra.

[naive abyss]

lol

[dense sedge]

Cool succubus art

[naive abyss]

image bashed that one navigator stl i found that i dig next to my digital kitbash for the DA wife for the navigator lol

i think id want to make her blindfolded or have a full upper head psychic hood but still its a vibe

[uneven ember]

oh no that's cool

[naive abyss]

very random but its sorta funny to me how much the cauldron helmet from wytchwood would sorta be a great basis to make a chaos warrior helmet with?

[past sphinx]

ya know is there a lore reason why fabious bile looks scrungly

even geneseed couldnt stop that dude getting male pattern baldness

hes decidedly old looking witch isnt something marines typically do

[bright dove]

I mean, that's just because most marines don't get old.

[past sphinx]

IIRC the hruud smacking dudes with a couple thousand years of entropy managed to make a couple visibly age

[floral herald]

There's a lot of marines with widows peaks at least

There's so many cueballs its hard to see a lot of actually balding space marines

[past sphinx]

maybe he does it for the aestetic

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/AzraelDeathless/status/1757289309948739982?s=20

[dense sedge]

that pics been making the rounds, it's super impressive

[unreal cosmos]

Most Marines aren't 10,000 years old

[past sphinx]

aint got them pretty boy geneseed like dante

[past sphinx]

Infinite respect for the Orlock hang who has a special hanger on thats just "i didnt hear no bell"

no armor, no weapons, no respect for private property

just two fuckin dukes and an iron jaw

[runic swallow]

It’s more than that, his bodies keep breaking down and he swaps his brain into a new cloned one that (for a short time) is something vaguely approaching normal

[past sphinx]

hes such a perfectly fucked up little guy

[naive abyss]

the marine wife is ancient btew

like straight up from the fall of caliban and was falsley branded fallen ancient

so its part of why she is called the grey

cuz shes old enough to have grey hair now lol

and the navigator is like navi equivalent of late forties or so. so greying and wrinkles but still like a century or so old

navis epithet is the wise

Liathus the Grey and Bodhmael the Wise (this a ref to fionn mac cumhails gay aunts/moms btw)

[past sphinx]

Did she kill a caliban beast with a sliotar?

[naive abyss]

She*

[past sphinx]

icic

[naive abyss]

Tried my hand at a lumineth scheme

[naive abyss]

Refined

[ebon forge]

ok so remember when I asked where Big E lived originally?
Others came running. They shouted. They cried. They made the noises of language that spoke of panic and sorrow in a proto-Indo-Europan tongue that would come to be known as an early precursor to the Hyttite dialect.

Guess I should had just kept reading

Also
I-
I don't know how to feel about ||The first human to human cold murder is between Big E father and his Uncle, basically Cain and Abel style||

[upper canopy]

Read it as a myth and not fact.

[ebon forge]

This may sound stupid but how I should do that?
reading more like a tale that is not 100% true and more a traumatic event in Big E's life that felt like that?

[upper canopy]

Read it as Big E's first murder

[ebon forge]

ooooooooh

And his justification for it

[sweet solar]

oh is he not like several dozen fused psychics anymore?

[upper canopy]

He might be but that doesn't preclude him from murdering

[ebon forge]

honestly having a dozen voices whispering to you might just make you murder more

Also, Big E's ego is so massive he made his elite soldiers that walk with him be named after terra old legends and gods.
So is like
"Oh no, Odin, Ra and etc are protecting ME because I am THAT important"

[pine matrix]

He's not a god though, remember that

I did appreciate the bit in MoM when E is talking about prescience to one of the Custodes, was a succinct way of answering "why do all these prophetic psychics keep fucking up their plans"

[ebon forge]

Which speaks about his ego even further when 'gods' are under his command.

[ebon forge]

Yeah, I like Big E with his bananas

[pine matrix]

It's a good book with the vibe of "Oh god. Shit. Everything is fucked"

[ebon forge]

And I love it

[wide wind]

Hohohohoho

[unreal cosmos]

:o

[naive abyss]

Tbh I've always found this part of the dichotomy between emps and sigmar hilarious

Like on one side you have the most egoistic Mcguffin fail child "super genius"

And on the other is the comparatively humble somehow more competent idiot with a bonk stick lol

Like its funny how much the HH stuff imo sorta character assassinates the whole mystique of the emperor

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/14/going-full-tilt-with-a-new-twist-on-the-classic-minigame-on-warhammer/

This is fun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959864760441118790/1207326473434693752/K8kbX9aHhwgrnxlZ.png?ex=65df3d66&is=65ccc866&hm=92d90af3cb96ecf3f5609a4e735d816097b49db877f3fba43699e2ed223b36f7&

Seems lov may feature in a book where they aren't thrown under the bus lol

Lady kahl too

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/14/the-hand-of-abaddon-makes-a-move-in-the-penultimate-dawn-of-fire-novel/

[jaunty dawn]

is that the same guy from the cover of avenging son

oh it is. ferren areios

[still warren]

Dark Mechanicus spotted

[naive abyss]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manticgames/warpath-the-game-of-epic-scale-sci-fi-warfare?ref=ksr_email_mktg_auto_user_watched_project_launched

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/K0Vw6/ee86caaee2.jpg

Puppy

[naive abyss]

Cyclops energy lol

[unreal cosmos]

Is this series good? I've been intrigued

[naive abyss]

No idea lol

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/K0VGc/31bd89f6a2.jpg

"Are you telling me an Enslaver fried this rice?"

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/EZyvTPtzOq

https://www.reddit.com/r/sistersofbattle/s/Df1Fanfusw

The exorcist helmet continues to fuck

[naive abyss]

Tweaked this again

[unreal cosmos]

Looking swanky

Also I meant to say earlier that I dig your old woman yuri

[naive abyss]

Lol thanks

[naive abyss]

This is inspired by the boudiccas tribe the iceni

"Wandering City of Icenith" is what im calling it

It's basically like a city pulled around the realms by giant magical wind horses like a chariot lol

[soft willow]

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/space-marine-primarchs-ranked

I haven't read it yet, but there's no way this doesn't create an interesting discussion.

[floral herald]

Insane list

Regardless of where you put them Perterabo and Russ should not be rated the same

[soft willow]

So where would you rate them?

[pastel rampart]

Perty drops to a 4/10 when going to chaos which seems appropriate.

[floral herald]

I think 7/10 is probably ok for Russ but Perty is an uncaring asshole at the best of times and is the same but more neurotic post chaos so idk

4/10 or 5/10 without falling and probably like a 1/10 after

[pastel rampart]

Ferrus Manus – Two weeks of the best, angriest sex you’ve ever had, followed by a blazing argument and never speaking to each other again. On balance you’d probably do it again. 7/10.

[floral herald]

that tracks I think

[pastel rampart]

Absolutely

[naive abyss]

fuck yea the khan is a 10/10

hes like the only well adjusted primarch

more or less lol

tbh id say sang is at most an 8/10 but thats also my personal biases and thinking the pristine perfect love tm is not a vibe lol

[proud wing]

would alpharius be a threesome or an orgy

[naive abyss]

i mean ostesibly in the spirit of the list youd just get og alpharius and omegon

so a threesome

[tired cairn]

Yeah, but it will actually be neither alpharius or omegon

[soft willow]

I want you to know that as soon as I read that I thought to myself “Unde will approve of this.”

[naive abyss]

lol

[pine matrix]

Konrad is a 0/10 in all states, he was flaying way before he fell to chaos

[past sphinx]

Have u considered I can fix him

[junior summit]

alpharius and omegon is getting catfished

[tired cairn]

I am suggesting they are doing the catfishing

[junior summit]

yeah

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/49rl8l

[uneven ember]

I don't really feel like Perturabo's issues were meaningfully worse after his fall to chaos than they already were.
They say "utterly fixated on getting you off" and okay maybe, but also he refuses to tell you what he wants, and then resents you for not giving it anyway, and he makes it really clear that he resents you while insisting that there's nothing he wants.

[uneven ember]

hah nice

[naive abyss]

final iteration i think lol

rider of icenith out here having to protect the wandering city from the hedonites lol

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theunforgiven/comments/1aqjl3s/swords_or_maces_old_or_new_much_magnets_later/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[desert jay]

https://twitter.com/mcnostrilcom/status/1757950780613468418/

mighty ybaba (@mcnostrilcom) on X

Please remember that today is heresy.

Twitter · Feb 15, 2024, 2:11 AM

[onyx elm]

It's so difficult to locate 40k Black Library books through an online library service.

[thin ibex]

I freely admit I'm being a bit silly with this one but

I felt chainswords deserved more love

I'm trying to think of anyone else can do a better chainswords list, not counting knights

[proud wing]

i saw a post that said Freeblades are basically giant stray cats; they just aimlessly wander around killing things until they find an army they like and start following them around

honestly GW should focus a lot more on Freeblades

lone warriors wandering the galaxy on personal quests are way cooler than space marine chapter #836

[soft willow]

But they don’t sell as well as Space Marine chapter 836.

[thin ibex]

Freeblades are cool, but "my space guys" chapter of space marines is not uncool

Both are cool

[past sphinx]

freeblades are a niche within a niche of knights

one of those armies that already low in play count

[proud wing]

i don't think the Inquisition has many players, but there are still a ton of books about Eisenhorn and co.

just because they're a concept that lends itself to cool stories

[past sphinx]

more that im suprised there isnt MORE knight content

want to sell those big centerpeice models

even more so when you can make them your sonic OC donut steel

[sour sequoia]

I already painted a monolith but you forget how much fucking plastic there is until you’re assembling a second

God help me

[crisp lance]

https://www.tumblr.com/cursed-40k-thoughts/740871544289574912

[ebon forge]

Magnus rating depends entirely on how much of a big NERD you are
And how well you like to hear rambles and lore dumps

You know he would 100% lore dump you out of nowhere

so a 10 for me

[naive abyss]

That was more a thing in the old days of black library I feel

These days allot of the books are at least in part promotional material

[naive abyss]

I like a good hyperfixation word vomit just not usually in the middle of sex lol

[pulsar cairn]

i wonder if astartes wear socks

[pulsar cairn]

pretty accurate

[naive abyss]

They don't if memory serves lol

[jaunty dawn]

they wear full body socks

also theres like two inquisitors really they just both have a prolific series

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[ebon forge]

Girlyman graded socks...

[solemn gull]

I love retinues

The writer can just make a supporting cast of the wildest characters possible

[jaunty dawn]

if anything the thing about knights as characters is that like

it's basically a story about a tank but you don't even have a crew dynamic

[solemn gull]

It can be made up for with the squad dynamic

Or some bigger knights do have crews I think

[ebon forge]

Which is a good knight book? :3c

I think it was
Kingmaker? Something like that

[jaunty dawn]

which is not to say you can't do a good knight/freeblade book just that idk if you can do a gaunt's ghosts or eisenhorn about a freeblade

[ebon forge]

Knightsblade! That's the one!

[floral herald]

I like how extensive the damage/weathering is for this one

[jaunty dawn]

ooooh

[ebon forge]

Can I share a horrofying lore i found out today

[pine matrix]

Oh fuck yesssss

[bright dove]

Always

[ebon forge]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Oliensis :3

Oliensis also serves as a base for Noise Marines[1] who live inside the planet-sized man's pores

[bright dove]

Oh yeah, old stuff

[ebon forge]

well, it was 'reinforced' in 8e but
ye
I just discovered that yesterday

[past sphinx]

oh shit he hittin da bricks

i love how hes obviously still a world eater thats a really nice touch

[naive abyss]

I thought night lord Ngl

Has the like vampire skull emblem

[past sphinx]

look at that power pack

big mouth

nom

[jaunty dawn]

gonna be so cool when we get plastic mk5

the octagonal studs are cool

[naive abyss]

But why is he nailess?

[uneven ember]

I'm not super interested in the Horus Heresy tbh but I do like how, as Erika Flyigncircus pointed out on Twitter
The Space Marines in 30K were these mass-produced assembly line supersoldiers and by 40K they're these gothic relics of a time of legend, while the Solar Auxilia were the elite support infantry accepted into the Emperor's service all done up in fancy Baroque stylings before becoming the Poor Bloody Infantry.

[past sphinx]

not every WE took the nails

most did sure but not everyone

[naive abyss]

I mean sure but the lil shield decoration is night lord blue

But it seems the article directly says he's a world eater more or less lol

Or well directly says it even

So egg on my face lol

[floral herald]

He’s an OG War Hound who never got the nails and was probably a Thunder Warrior/Space Marine hybrid

[past sphinx]

im sold

[naive abyss]

Yeah he's old old lol

[past sphinx]

if he isnt the size of dorns axe lad then ill be sad

heretek but more so

[uneven ember]

ooohhh

[sinful merlin]

Oh that's awesome, what's the big backpack from?

[thin ibex]

yall think if combi weapons had anti infantry 4+ and anti tank 4+ would break anything?

still no AP and still d1

do also think they should have at least 1 ap tho

[soft willow]

I mean that’s gonna make them the answer to a lot of things if you can get them in any volume.

Knights would hate it for sure.

[past sphinx]

Middle bit is a gsc backpack top bit is from an old rhino I think? Bottom bit is from a sister tank I believe

[thin ibex]

thats pretty true, though they mostly only appear on veteran/elite units, and are effectively always the worse choice between the two...

maybe if they has better AP to balance out the reduced BS and fewer shots

but honestly was just thinking about how they sometimes represent melta guns or flamers etc

so they'd be good anti-something units

or weapons

i should say

[jaunty dawn]

anti tank 4+ would make combi plasma and combi meltas like way better at anti tank than regular plasma and meltas are

[thin ibex]

maybe anti vehicle 5+?

but prolly not

[jaunty dawn]

the dw makes a big difference too

[thin ibex]

i suppose the d wounds is meant to represent the melta/plasma shots

really just trying to think of what might change to make them at least on par or a competitive choice with what they can usually be picked against

like on sternguard they're just not worth it; on any ork units its just not worth it

they're a bit better than a normal bolter i suppose

[jaunty dawn]

they can be pretty nasty en masse

chosen can do them

[thin ibex]

i do like the idea of combi's on wolf guard hopping out of a land raider

they're pretty much a non-pick on most units that can take em tho

[jaunty dawn]

they should just make melta good again

[floral herald]

You see em on chosen and CTs relatively frequently

[jaunty dawn]

and then you can probably just make them disposable of whatever regular profile they had or use the stats from the leviathan instructions

it's basically just sternguard where the alternative is actually attractive

they're mostly a token one off option otherwise

[thin ibex]

im not against the idea of of a flattened combi weapon profile

[floral herald]

I am

[thin ibex]

id just like it to be statistically competitive profile on more of hte unit cards that can take em

[floral herald]

I don’t think they should have made them all the same especially when “kills elite infantry well” is the niche for… combi plasma sort of

[jaunty dawn]

I do kinda like the giving it its own niche rather than having to deal with token bolter shots

being like

kinda respresnts the actual use of one potentially better

maybe

[thin ibex]

how do you mean

[jaunty dawn]

hmm

I think the simulationist disposable option kinda worked

but then the 8th/9th where it was basically just being armed with a flamer/plasma/melta

that happened to come with a bolter

[thin ibex]

wouldn't that effectively translate to 1/battle do something that other units can do all the time?

like sternguard or hellblasters? well, hellblasters can shoot plasma all the time

[jaunty dawn]

didn't really make combi weapons feel meaningfully different from they composed of

it was how you used the units more

like when you only get one melta shot how you use the unit is different

and then now I kinda like how the current profile kinda implies stuff about the effects of using both modes together

like idk firing a plasma and then bursting into the damaged section of armour or something

not necessarily well but I think it's an interesting direction

[thin ibex]

thats a bit of something of what i like about it

and i do think having a like.. 4 options per combi falls into the trap of units with a billion options

[jaunty dawn]

I like how in heresy the lighter weapon options aren't disposable

so like a combi flamer is a bolter/flamer combo while a combi melta is a one shot melta before transistioning to a rifle squad

[thin ibex]

units like wolf guard reallllly didn't need to have a trillion options for only like 3 of those options to be worth while

and thats the biggest issue of giving load and loads of options

[jaunty dawn]

it's a tension between narrative design and mechanical design over a like 30 year legacy

it's just weird in general

[floral herald]

Lots of options is good imo, I really don’t like the copy-protection trend of “you can ONLY outfit the unit with what comes in the box”

[thin ibex]

i personally think that a lot of options with weak mechanical distinction and potentially false picks is a weak design basis

like if you give a unit 12 melee weapon options, but 1 of them is better for 90% of situtations mechanically, then 11 of those options are space filler

its like, i enjoy how the power weapon profile is a thing, instead of power sword, power axe, and power club having specific profiles that ultimately punished flavor picks; where power weapon allows you to make a flavor pick that still performs within an expected parameter

in the same vein, combi weapon being 1 option rather than like 5 is beneficial

[floral herald]

I don’t think that comparison makes sense

All the power weapons were basically the same with tiny differences

Which can’t be said for a flamer vs a plasma gun

[jaunty dawn]

I like both for their own reasons

like I like not having to resolve my chaos terminators each individually

[thin ibex]

thats fair, but again, giving a unit 5 options of special weapons on an army roster that includes units that specifically come with a high volume of those same special weapons feels superfluous

[unreal cosmos]

As the guy who's currently neck-deep in 30k stuff I'll tell you, people have opinions about different power weapons

[jaunty dawn]

just so I can have them look like a cool individualistic squad

[thin ibex]

and like trust me, im the guy who would run my wolf guard with all individual loadouts because that matches my understanding of them

but its just like

i think having an extra page of options is unnescessary

unless the mechanical distinction matters

say sternguard since thats been my running example

bring them with what, all combi flamers. They're now an elite infernus squad, plasma? A worse hellblaster squad. Melta? Worse eradicators.

The most interesting element to me would be mixing and matching, which then calls for individual resolution of profiles on a compromise unit; but you would get the option of a tacticus unit that could spam melta i suppose

[uneven ember]

The whole IF:THAN decision tree with, like, Space Marine captains is so weird to me honestly

[thin ibex]

which kinda reduces the applications down to "melta is the correct choice" problem

[floral herald]

It’s so bad

[thin ibex]

much like the old "thunder hammer is the correct choice" thing

[floral herald]

At least it’s not usually early 10e Autarch bad

[thin ibex]

autarch is rough

[floral herald]

But there’s so many units with really nutty build reqs like captains and chaos termies

[jaunty dawn]

autarch is dumb

an interenal argument we should not have to witness because one faction is clearly in the right

[floral herald]

Autarch is a fun case study since its two separate models which were designed as cross compatible and GW just forgot that

[jaunty dawn]

I mean it worked

[thin ibex]

autarch also feels like one of those units that also showcases that having a lot of options doesn't really break down to having a lot of meaningful options.

[jaunty dawn]

making it cross compatible meant that when they were forced to make the rules incompatible there was an outcry which had to be addressed

[uneven ember]

talking about options, and speaking as the fan of Aeronautica Imperialis
I really like how the Marauder chasis is used for such different roles.

[bright dove]

Autrachs were sick when they first came out.

[jaunty dawn]

the people advocating for segregated rules lost

[thin ibex]

but also, i think the core or original question around my discussion starter was what could be done to bring combi weapons to be mechanically in line with the alternatives on the unit cards they share. They seem to work ok on some units, like Chosen and chaos termies you said? But on many other models, they're kind of not useful compared against the alternatives

[jaunty dawn]

what units are you thinking of other than sternguard

[thin ibex]

orks like nobs and meganobs have a combi weapon option

[jaunty dawn]

ah

the main thing would be being more willing to change profiles on a unit basis

[thin ibex]

i think deathwatch has a kill team that ha a lot of em

and yeah that makes sense

[jaunty dawn]

what options a unit has access to is basically entirely dependent on the model kit which is made by people whose priority isn't really mechanical balance

especially since models are on a like 4 year lead to the rules they'll get nowadays

[floral herald]

Yeah this is the big reason why box only kits are bad

[thin ibex]

much like the chimera has a "militarum multilaser" you could have "ork kombi weapon" or "kombi weapon"

[floral herald]

I don’t really see the problem with the manz kombi-weapon though

Outside of I’m guessing a lot of people just run them 2x melee since their shooting is meh at the best of times

[thin ibex]

yeah the ork kombi weapon is effectively pissing in the wind because of hte BS, you want more shots or the chance for more output

so like the kustom shootas or the rokkits

[floral herald]

Manz don’t get rokkits

[thin ibex]

yeah, its mostly shootas

or twin killsaws

though with how slow they are, i list build em with the shootas

[floral herald]

But that’s the problem with the current kombi-weapon rules

The good ork kombi was the combi flamer as a charge deterrent or bit of added oomph

[thin ibex]

i got great results with the kombi rokkits in 8th iirc

blew up tyranid warrior squads well

[floral herald]

Rokkits might have been relevant with lucky hits then - I didn’t play in 8 but they sucked in 4-6e

[thin ibex]

they were pretty much firing a volley of like a bunch of shots where only a few hit, but they had the strength to do meaningful damage when they did

as i clomped up the board

[jaunty dawn]

I remember liking them

at least as compared to a big shoota

[thin ibex]

i usually went flamers OR rokkits, though rokkits hit out from further

so if someone was playing the keepaway game from my nobs, io could still hit out

sometimes

[jaunty dawn]

didn't necessarily have a good reason to though lol

[floral herald]

I always ran manz/nobs in a battlewagon so flamers were a lot better

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think I ever really did nobz in general

burna boyz are great though

[thin ibex]

i never did normal nobs

twas boyz and meganobs

meganobs were like a MAINSTAY on my crusade list

[floral herald]

Nobs were extremely strong in 5e because they could abuse the wound allocation rules really well

Bikers were better but I liked wagons so I used them instead

[thin ibex]

nobs in a truck were great in 8th and 9th iirc, but i didn't run them

[jaunty dawn]

bikers are awesome

[thin ibex]

hmm i wonder if sternguard would be better with a combi weapon specialist rule; where they can like 1/battle just choose to mass volley a special weapon tehy can choose on teh spot

making them more responsive/reactive?

[floral herald]

I think that’d be better as a combi weapon rule than a sternguard rule

[thin ibex]

i would actually like the aspect of "its a combi-something until you fire"

[floral herald]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

most special characters with a combi weapon actually have l ike

the weapon in question's profile plus anti infantry dw

[thin ibex]

i do wonder if they'd do with just having a tag addition or statistical adjustment

but because they show up across so many factions

[jaunty dawn]

like this

[thin ibex]

yeah, rather than being raw str 4 ap 0 d1

thats a strong combi tbh

[pine matrix]

As a collector of Dark Eldar, I was thinking earlier today that it's pretty unlikely they'd get a campaign book where they're one for the factions, like we've seen for Leviathan and Pariah Nexus. Like, DEldar don't really lend themselves to long drawn out conflicts, since their whole deal is the raid and pillaging

[junior robin]

just wait until they want to release codex: white scars and they write a campaign where Eldrad Ulthran and Robute guilliman teams up to save the dark eldars from Jaghatai Khan

[pine matrix]

That actually would be sick as fuck, a campaign of cavalry battles, void engagements and boarding actions

The one who slows down is the loser

Supply lines? Defensive positions? Sieges? Nah son

Pictured: Vect beholds the Khan's 10,000 years of innovation

[junior robin]

I imagine more the Khan skulking about the place like the monster in a survival horror game

[pine matrix]

A spectre is haunting Commagarah?

[junior robin]

either that or he bullied a haemonculus to build him a giant horse and now he roams the webway.

[thin ibex]

i feel like rather than having a campaign book, they have the benefit towards being applicable to any other campaign as a third actor

but also yeah itd be cool for white scars/deldar campaign book

[pine matrix]

True, I'd like at least one where Act 3 is "The Dark Eldar appeared and made everything way worse"

[thin ibex]

also honestly, i do wish we got more 3 part campaigns, but i realize thats harder to build a narrative/scoring mechanic around

[pine matrix]

How have they done them more recently? I've not checked out the books themselves

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it here a while ago but I thought it'd be a cool campaign to have Eldar Vs Emperor's Children, based around them trying to get the last cronesword off Fulgrim, who's taken it from Slaanesh's palace to flaunt it in front of the Eldar

[thin ibex]

gasp

no imperials

gw fanning themselves

[pine matrix]

James Workshop falls onto a fainting sofa

[uneven ember]

I remember when the DEldar were always the attacker in an asymmetric scenario
& then the Necrons showed up & their special rules were "except for us"

[pine matrix]

It'd be an alliance of Ynnari, Craftworlders, DEldar and Harlequins, who are each basically looking for the best time to fuck over all the others

[pine matrix]

Oh that's a fun rule, and flavourful!

[uneven ember]

yeah this would've been like 3rd

[thin ibex]

i wonder how a campaign narrative would be written in a royal rumble between the "advanced scifi stuff" aesthetic'd factions

like tau v votan

[pine matrix]

Hmm, see Votann and Tau I find it hard to see coming to blows, since they seem two factions that'd actually engage in somewhat good faith diplomacy

[uneven ember]

Speaking of 3rd Ed Necrons
Saw someone who'd picked up the original codex used & the previous owner had blacked out the Phase Out rule with a sharpie

[pine matrix]

That got posted here a few days back! Very amusing

[uneven ember]

They do! T'au fleets can take LoV mercenary ships. At least one Votann is at least closely aligned with the Greater Good.
(Now they weren't LoV when the BFG rules were written but they were retconned into being LoV)

[thin ibex]

I think what brings votan and tau to blows is truly just old fashioned mutual expansionism

[uneven ember]

& whatever the 3rd Ed Necron rules were full of bullshit powers having a bullshit drawback isn't that egregous. whiners

[thin ibex]

They're both more likely to negotiate, but negotiations can break down like anywhere else, especially with resources on the line

And territory

[pine matrix]

I getcha, could have a real tragic bent to it. Even the two factions most inclined towards the "just talk" solution come to blows out of mutual greed and expansionism

[thin ibex]

Tau reach out with an olive branch first, but they're not opposed to the sword as a back up

[pine matrix]

For sure

"Diplomacy by other means"

[uneven ember]

Oh yeah, I could definitely see LoV and T'au getting into fights over competing colonial expansion.
I just really find the "the Demiurg were actually LoV the whole time" retcon very funny.

[pine matrix]

The Kin just never bothered to correct them

[uneven ember]

I think the T'au crusade rules call it "railgun diplomacy"

[pine matrix]

Lmao

[ebon forge]

T'au: Sniper is a good job m'8

[pine matrix]

From the sounds of things the Pariah Nexus campaign is very much the Mechanicus and Necrons unleash tech hell on each other

[thin ibex]

I'm honestly surprised that the silent king got his back up against the metaphorical wall there

Cause it's really Mechanicus + Imperium vs necrons vs necrons

Since imotekh is not on board with the silent king and effectively orchestrating a campaign against him at the same time

Incidentally, I imagine the silent king otherwise would have been able to readily handle the oncoming imperials, had imotekh not intervened

[pine matrix]

Love those ancient robo pharaohs kicking each other in the shins

Who else would be good for a campaign book match up? 🤔

Grey Knights Vs Thousand Sons could be fun, for balls to the walls mystical dueling

[thin ibex]

id like to see tau vs iron warriors

[pine matrix]

Or Sisters Vs TS, Faith Vs Sorcery

[pine matrix]

Ooo that could be cool, any particular reason for the match up?

[thin ibex]

tau espouse a focus on mobile, force multiplication combined arms warfare that generally places life at a higher value than ground. Iron Warriors espouse a grinding, inexorable advance via a siege network and heavy armor. Their combat philosophies colliding would be cool

iron warriors will expend any number of lives to claim ground, perse

[pine matrix]

That is a cool matchup! Plus high-tech Vs Daemon-tech

[thin ibex]

i could also see Tsons vs necrons or admech for Science vs Sorcery vibes

[pine matrix]

Aren't Necrons pretty anti-warp? Feel like it'd be a tough matchup for the Tsons

[bright dove]

Ghaz vs. Angron. 😄

[thin ibex]

necrons have anti warp tech yeah, but sorcery is powerful all the same imo

[desert jay]

And also WRT fights at the scale of tabletop 40k, these can also basically be small skirmishes while negotiations are ongoing

[jaunty dawn]

tau are also like

at the end of the day they believe the greater good is them being in charge

[desert jay]

Some fire caste got jumpy while the water caste is like “hey chill a sec” and whoops the skirmish is over with anyway

[pine matrix]

Orks hooting and hollering when they find out Angron comes back to life every eight weeks

[thin ibex]

Sometimes when I imagine playing crusade, I want to make a list with a captain but only use a lieutenant to lead my forces in the early stages

But then I realize I'm depriving my captain of exp

[jaunty dawn]

may as well just add the captain to the list later in that case

[thin ibex]

i enjoy battle leaders and lieutenants being much more of a normal field commander than a captain being present for even the smallest skirmishes

[jaunty dawn]

could be a cool idea to do it with a named captain/proxy for one

like the narrative isn't about the captain and his progression but at higher level conflicts he is present

bein a big damn hero

[uneven ember]

My homebrew Templars gang has a Marshal (Captain) fluffed as a Castellan (Lieutenant) for kinda that reason.
Specifically because the way rules were written in 5th you really really really wanted a Marshall in every fight but I wanted my guys' Marshal to be a buffed-up upgraded monster but also I wanted a less big deal HQ character so I just went with "this dude's a really good Castellan so he's mechanically a Marshal."

[unreal cosmos]

I'm into that

[uneven ember]

Just because I think this is a bit funny, from edition 3-...8?, the Templar Things were as follows:
-The Emperor's Champion who'd been a Special Character anyone could pick in the 3E SM codex but became not just exclusive but mandatory to Templars
-Land Raider Crusader which used to be restricted to everyone but Templars, but no Whirlwinds, Devastators, or Librarians
-Vows, where you got to look at a list of really cool flavorful army buffs to choose from & then pick Accept Any Challenge No Matter The Odds again because obviously
-Crusader Squads where we got Assault Intercessors before it was cool but also freely mixed with tactical marines & scouts all in the same squad
-and most importantly Righteous Zeal, where any time a squad passes a morale check they get to run screaming toward the nearest enemy unit but also you need to check morale if they take any casualties.

[floral herald]

I think they got different vets as well but it was minor

[uneven ember]

I really quickly came to the conclusion that I needed a Marshal 100% of the time just for the Leadership buff, because Ld8 was not cutting it when a case of First-Turn Lascannon vaporizing an 11-point scout meant my 20-man blob squad was at risk of running off the board.

[floral herald]

Wait castellans were only Ld8?

I forgot how low ld values used to be

[uneven ember]

Castellans were 9, Marshals were 10, having my HQ be a Chaplain in a different Squad meant that my unled troop leadership was 8 (with no Vet Sergeant upgrade available)

So yeah I could have taken a Castellan... or for 15 points more I could bring up the bump to Ld 10. For the rolls I'm making, again, every time I take a single casualty across the game. And give the guy buffing the entire army another Wound. Not even a question tbh

[uneven ember]

& yeah, also this, which made me sad back then because I loved the minis and the fluff but they just weren't worth it. Standard Marines but they cost more points to not score objectives and get +1 Ld that doesn't matter because I brought a Marshal, so all they had was the option of buying upgrades that were fun as hell but really just made them even more expensive for T4 W1 3+ dudes.

[floral herald]

Yeah pre-sternguard vets just kind of sucked ass

[uneven ember]

(Okay I kinda lied, there was one alternative to a Marshal and that's a Chaplain in a massive blob squad with three Cenobyte Servitors befroe the became a GrimmyG exclusive.)
(See you didn't have to roll because the Chaplain made them Fearless and let you 2k1 the Righteous Zeal die while the servitors gave a +1 each to your distance so you have this 24-strong marine squad footslogging at you and if you try to thin it out it gets to move an extra ((2d6 pick highest)+3)" toward you.)

[past sphinx]

Having put like 200 hours into the Battletech game, 40k is very much lacking in crabs and crab derivatives

[sour sequoia]

Lets go crypteks it only took like 3 days to assemble and clean the mould lines

[naive abyss]

tbh i really would love a LOV vs Orks thing

but im just a sucker for dorfs vs da bois

[past sphinx]

orks counter invading armageddon

LoV counter counter invading for the fucking hell of it

[thin ibex]

armageddon has minerals on it

suddenly its a imperials vs orks vs daemons vs votann

[spice flicker]

Trying to theorycraft a votann list and was curious how to spend 235 points: a 3rd land fortress, 2nd group of 1x6 graviton thunderkyn+iron master, or a 2nd group of 1x5 hearthguard+champion. Any suggestions?

[thin ibex]

i think they're all good, but i think the hearthguard will be more able to contest an objective meaningfully

though graviton thunderkyn with iron master is a fairly large squad, and will tear up most things except monsters in short order

[soft willow]

Depends on what else is in the list but I think three fort is where some of the meta is going to shift with the points costs going up on so much.

[floral herald]

I see a lot of Thunderkyn in comp play

[soft willow]

That’s cooled somewhat with the last balance dataslate.

Graviton Blast Cannons are still baller though

[spice flicker]

Currently:
Khal
Iron master
Champion

2x10 warriors (missile launcher, plasma beamer, medipack, scanner)

1x6 thunderkyn (gravy cannon)
2x5 hearthguard

2x3 pioneers (rotary cannon, scanner)

2x Land fortress
2x sagitaur (missile launchers)

1765/2000 points

Thoughts?

[floral herald]

Seems pretty solid to me

[spice flicker]

Suggestion on how yo shore up the list with the remaining 235?

[soft willow]

Honestly? Can you drop 5 points somewhere to get two more Sagitaurs?

[spice flicker]

Is this so all can have squads of 5 warriors?

[floral herald]

https://fxtwitter.com/DETONATEDcom/status/1758203771224564191?s=20

This is such a weird crossover

[naive abyss]

no weirder than the alucard one they did ngl lol

[past sphinx]

now i love helsing

adore that stupid fucking series but god everything about that was awkward as hell

[naive abyss]

oh same

like to be clear im coming as someone who like made my cule watch abridged with me lol

[floral herald]

Alucard I think is at least more correctly shaped

They're so disproportionate

[uneven ember]

https://tenor.com/view/hellsing-ultimate-abridged-tfs-alucard-what-a-fun-day-gif-15597882

[past sphinx]

a character thats suppose to be extragerated in motion and silhouette getting shrunken down to fit in cod just didnt work

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/helsing-bitcheslovecannons-cannon-helsingabridged-gif-18877580

[past sphinx]

im glad i encounted abridged before i encounted the manga

because while i still fuckin qoute abridged subconciously that level of over the top edgy bullshit would have melted my fucking teenage brain

[naive abyss]

lol

[past sphinx]

HES SO COOL

and drifters has really really nice art

[naive abyss]

im a shitpost brained idiot so abridged alucard is sorta my fave version of him lol

that voice is definitely what alucard sounds like in my head at the very least

[uneven ember]

It's just a great take on the character.
& also I love how the comedy version of the dynamics is, like, barely different from the canonical version.

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

[pulsar cairn]

[uneven ember]

"Many have tried and failed, yet if it is my fate to fall to your blade, then let it be so... worthy opponent."
"...TIME the FUCK out."```

[thin ibex]

Out if curiosity, what do you run the land fortresses with?

[spice flicker]

Rail cannons

[past sphinx]

the last man of Tanith, believe his entire people had been destoryed while he was on necromunda he seeks glory and fame so his homes name will never be forgotten

[crisp lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/TheGraffitiSoul/status/1758137036123607327

[floral herald]

https://fxtwitter.com/seasideastartes/status/1758238913200591012?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Ok this rules

[thin ibex]

Hmm 3k point list ideas

[ebon forge]

Wait this is legit, not a mod?

That's so weeeeeeeeeeird is like something is ooooooff

If it was the Astra Militarum it would have been way more fitting, like, even a comissar or something aaaaaa

[pulsar cairn]

brazilian song the kind i'm not much of a fan of...

i dont really have a problem with the video

just surprised that came up here lol

[storm schooner]

The models looks good but the animations absouletely do not fit

[ebon forge]

Yeah, should had gone with Astra Militarum stuff

What do you MEAN I got kicked?! As the only one wearing the Comissar skin it is my holy DUTY to shoot a team mate in the head to inspire the others to fight harder!

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/15/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-metawatch-big-changes-abound-in-the-new-battlescroll/

it's really cool how much more holistic aos changes are

[crisp lance]

why not a imperial guard tho

[long void]

Space Marine visuals double as marketing

[bright dove]

Gor upgrades, woooo!

Sad that Plague Monk units are harder to fill now

As a BoC player, I am jazzed to see that Bestigor point drop

[solemn gull]

damn that's a awesome backstory

gotta give him the knife though

[jaunty dawn]

this is a travesty

[past sphinx]

He started off as a generic woodsman esc dude then I realized I could fit TAN ITH on the chest

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/T3ssaGrant/status/1758513900503322761?t=NOYHnY1QAC4-2dZrez1tRA&s=19

[upper canopy]

Finally have art of the Golden Knight

[ebon forge]

Gilgamesh Custodes

[naive abyss]

Vibe. Where did this crop up?

[upper canopy]

New TW3 unit

[naive abyss]

Vibe

In theory that's a lady right? Cuz if memory serves the current golden Knight is a lady lol

[upper canopy]

Ya

[naive abyss]

Vibe

I wonder if it's gonna be a legendary lord or a recruitable one

[upper canopy]

Hero not a lord.

[naive abyss]

Mm mm

[still warren]

oh cool Golden Knight is a woman

[naive abyss]

Ye or at least this current one is

[still warren]

yes new mount for katarin and ice witches

[naive abyss]

And its implied to have a romantic history with the tzarina if memory serves

[naive abyss]

Ok that's cool

[still warren]

oh the golden knight is old lore? Thought it was a new tw3 unit

and then finally an icesled for Katarina

[ebon forge]

Funny it being a woman because it uses the same helmet (minus gold) as the new for honor hero
That is also a woman.

[naive abyss]

Aventail is a pretty common helmet

[ebon forge]

True, true

[naive abyss]

@untold swallow help I'm being targeted

[upper canopy]

Not really, the Tzarina gave her favor for her promotion but that's really the extent of their interactions.

[ebon forge]

Byzantine still hving that heavy drip n all

[naive abyss]

Closeted lovers got it lol

[quaint compass]

The only way two women are allowed to interact is through undying declarations of love

So sayeth the law

[untold swallow]

lol ye

[jaunty dawn]

we gotta deal with gulliman/yvraine nonsense if it's good enough for them

[still warren]

new lord is very solid for Kislev, has ammo replenishment

[upper canopy]

I actually don't wanna deal with this at all either

[jaunty dawn]

fair?

[naive abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959864760441118790/1208090224442351697/Screenshot_20240216-083839.png?ex=65e204b2&is=65cf8fb2&hm=5c1e3c112c845961f1904ebaac14b71fd013a32c889508a0cc8fd55456bb04b5&

[solemn gull]

I hate that

Yvraine/Guilleman is probably the third biggest deadhorse of 40k jokes

[spice flicker]

Are the mechapedes from Command and Conquer Tiberium Wars just canoptek tomb sentinels?

[ebon forge]

what are the other 2?
Shovel and Ork mind magic?

[bright dove]

Jeanstealers

[solemn gull]

yep

ork mind magic has kind of fallen behind the mechanicus "LOL TOASTER"

[ebon forge]

Yeeeeah

tho is the nature of memes sadly
it would not be a meme if it was not repetitive, it would just be a joke

[jaunty dawn]

tbh I don't think the imperium even has toasters ngl

[ebon forge]

So
The Mechanicus invading necrons for their airfryers and toasters is canon, got it /j

[bright dove]

This is why th- beaten to it

[jaunty dawn]

necrons definitely have airfryers yes

[bright dove]

You can't have a truly functional society without toasters smh

[jaunty dawn]

I think the imperium probably runs mostly on microwaves

[spice flicker]

The invention of the mini at-home cooking melta never got approval from the admech.

[ebon forge]

Lasgun heated bread, mmmh...

[solemn gull]

Knowing 40k they probably have GIANT INDUSTRIAL MICROWAVES that require a servitor to stay inside to operate it or some insane shit

[ebon forge]

Jam someone's brain in there to operate it, presto

[jaunty dawn]

microwaves powered by directly tapping the plasma core

[ebon forge]

Comissar:"DO NOT MAKE TOAST ON THE PLASMA CORE"
Khorne: "DO IT. MAKE YOUR TOAST ON THE PLASMA CORE"

[solemn gull]

wow you even get a snack when you have to swap the brains out

[jaunty dawn]

if you ask an imperial for a toaster they give you this

[ebon forge]

No wonder people join chaos
or the T'au

Join us
We have fully finctioning Airfryers
Just insert your new ID in there before using it of course 🙂

[solemn gull]

I mean in that paragraph they put in every book it literally says "The worst period in human history" yada yada so living in the imperium is worse then even the eye of terror

[jaunty dawn]

even orks have airfryers

it's just the imperium

[naive abyss]

I do feel the shoulder wings are maybe a bit too big but it does help make her stand out

[ebon forge]

Ah yes
The Squig-fryer

50/50 it will eat your food tho

[jaunty dawn]

tech priests jealously guard experimental air fryers and they don't even fuckin eat

[bright dove]

That's when you give it a good krumpin'

[solemn gull]

I'm just impressed that usually women in warhammer have actual decent armour

like it's more likely than not

I had a stroke writing that sentence my bad

[jaunty dawn]

TECH MAGOS STRITE

[naive abyss]

Ehhh it really depends

[ebon forge]

propa'h response

[naive abyss]

Like allot of the explicit "women" units get side eye from me

[solemn gull]

Squig-Mug

[naive abyss]

I'm looking at the delves and helves especially

[solemn gull]

I like the way modern SoB art is going

away from the power armour heels and boob-plate

[ebon forge]

With it's own mini-squig-mug

[naive abyss]

I wish they got rid of the boob armor even though I get why they didn't

[ebon forge]

Yeeeeah same

[naive abyss]

And a part of me likes the idea that the boob is just sculpted on

[bright dove]

Instructions unclear, removed all armor from Daughters of Khaine

[naive abyss]

And it's the eclesiarchy really trying to smear the "not men" thing on in the dumbest way possible lol

[naive abyss]

Honestly id prefer that over the current armor

[solemn gull]

I think you can get that across without the current design

[naive abyss]

I mean yes

It's just a way for me to be less annoyed by it though lol

[jaunty dawn]

I mean with the lore changes that's not really it

more along the lines of the dude wanted his bodyguard women cult to have women armour

[solemn gull]

they changed the lore?

[naive abyss]

Like I can live with it being just solid metal tits sculpted on like some old styles of breast plate

[jaunty dawn]

kinda

sisters exist becuase they saved the fuckin imperium

and not because of the 'not allowed men' joke

[ebon forge]

Honestly the 'worst' for me is sister repentia
Like
i get it, they want to literlaly die in battle but
c'mon, they are naked :/

[naive abyss]

I mean both are true?

[solemn gull]

Why are they still doing what Doge wanted if they overthrew them

[jaunty dawn]

that's still a like canon justification used for why sisters are allowed to exist officially

[naive abyss]

Not anymore they aren't

[ebon forge]

oh finally, good!

[naive abyss]

The modern designs kick ass

[jaunty dawn]

but the real reason they exist is so the ecclesiarchy can never take over again

[ebon forge]

can you show?

[naive abyss]

Best infantry sculpt

[jaunty dawn]

because they're their army but also their watchmen

[jaunty dawn]

the 'notman' thing has gone from a joke being the primary justification to ecclesiarchy cope basically

[solemn gull]

there was a really good Gray-skull peice and I love the way they drew a SoB

[naive abyss]

Love the new repentia

They have modeled on integration plugs which kicks ass

[ebon forge]

oh yeah way better! Nice

[ebon forge]

PROPER breastplate, very good

[solemn gull]

I like how it's normal power armour with some fancy stuff and the bulge of the breatplate moved slightly up

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like they could've not had a sternum crumple zone

and if they care about still emphasising BOOB just used design to do it instead of double semi circle

I say I feel like I mean that's how other people have approached it and it looks good lol

[bright dove]

I mean, if it was getting through the thickest part of power armor in the first place

[past sphinx]

I think a few sisters models do have thay

[jaunty dawn]

I like the corsets though

it's gothic

[naive abyss]

That's why I go with they're sculpted on

[bright dove]

Sternum crumpling is probably the least of your worries

[jaunty dawn]

the thing is that that's not really how armour actually works

[naive abyss]

Cuz then the armour isn't just worse for no reason

[solemn gull]

it's the way breastplates in the real world were made to make projectiles have to go through an angled surface

[junior robin]

how about doing a boob/breastplate combo?

[jaunty dawn]

like you have thickness but that's not the whole story; that's why angled armour exists to increase "effective" thickness

having a crease in the breastplate does the exact opposite

it means that the thickness is less effective and energy is directly transfered to killing the person

[ebon forge]

Cato Cicarious should had a codpiece

[solemn gull]

I just thought it was lighhting

[solemn gull]

don't insult my boy cato

[ebon forge]

cato the gato

[solemn gull]

he is such a poor meow meow now

or however that term goes

[ebon forge]

Yeeeah i heard post-guilliman he got the Ultra Depression

Seems to be a Ultramarine thing

[solemn gull]

Read Knights of Macragge

first half of the book is just "We've been trapped in the warp for the past 5 years.....please just kill me"

[ebon forge]

I NEED TO READ SO MUCH THING PLZ

[solemn gull]

and

[floral herald]

I tend to assume that SoB boobplate is essentially decorative and mostly exists to make sure no one thinks that the church has men under arms

[solemn gull]

he grows a moustache

[ebon forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-dead-death-mario-stairs-gif-25001313

[floral herald]

And its just solid adamantine/ceramite exterior sculpting

[solemn gull]

I mean I dont think armour is masculine or feminine

[jaunty dawn]

fyi

[ebon forge]

Agreed

[floral herald]

I don't actually understand what that sentance means

[jaunty dawn]

there's more elaboration further up but the decree passive loophole is still part of the lore but basically just as a way for the ecclesiarchy to feel better about themselves

the real reason the sororitas continue to exist is that they saved the imperium and are a check on the power of the ecclesiarchy

basically the ecclesiarchy don't need to prove that the sisters are women because no one is interested in getting rid of the sisters

[floral herald]

How are they a check on it? Since they're thought to be more loyal to the emperor and the ecclesiarch or something? Or just a lot of credit for offing Vandire

[jaunty dawn]

loyalty to the emperor yeah

[ebon forge]

THAT'S HIM ON THE COVER?!

[solemn gull]

ye

[jaunty dawn]

and because of their incorporation into the ordo hereticus

[ebon forge]

How dare he remove his helmet
Is like if Solaire just starts to start to walk around without one

kinda good looking tho

[solemn gull]

it's 40k this gives you better survival odds

wearing a helmet gets you killed

[jaunty dawn]

unlike the frateris militia while the sisters perform much of their duties like defending temples they aren't subservient to the ecclesiarchy and are ultimately independent

[floral herald]

Ok that makes sense, so its basically just tradition now

[jaunty dawn]

but liek the ecclesiarchy isn't allowed a woman militia either

[ebon forge]

you sadly got a good point

[jaunty dawn]

they're allowed members of a specific organisation, who are trained to root out corruption wherever it exists