There got to be someone still implanting and making the Butcher’s Nails
#Warhammer and Such
solemn gull
pulsar cairn
also not every khorne warband has them right? isn't that a World eaters thing?
pastel rampart
It's specifically a world eaters thing, but that isn't to say people don't still install the nails.
Just that there's other khornate warbands out there that are nail-free.
pulsar cairn
yeh yeh
also poor Angron
reborn as warp stuff
Khorne still makes him feel the nails
and it's like he has a brain still as well(i would imagine demons don't have actual organs) 
Sanguinius ripped them off his head on terra and it killed him
unreal cosmos
The hair is clever
thin ibex
Hmm anyone got a list idea to throw at me?
unreal cosmos
Heavy Recon
thin ibex
Hmm OK, faction preference?
tepid stratus
Guard heavy recon. There is one correct answer
pastel rampart
The hair is clever
Haha, yeah, totally paying attention to the hair 
thin ibex
Sentinels as far as the eye can see
Do wish I had other detachments to work with on the guard
tepid stratus
Sentinels as far as the eye can see
Incorrect! Remember the classification of the baneblade...
thin ibex
Lol scout baneblade isn't real and can't hurt you
And old man creed no longer carries them in his pockets
tepid stratus
The dark age STCs don't lie. Or are you calling the omnissiah a liar? Sounds like heresy to me
thin ibex
Honestly the silliest thing to me look
Lol*
Flops heavy into the "too rediculous to take seriously in an already rediculous setting"
Then again scout titans as a concept are also fairly silly
But I can try a guard armored Recon theme
See what comes of it
unreal cosmos
The idea came to mind because I was talking with someone about a White Scars siege force in Heresy and they realized they could have a Mastodon full of terminators... In a Recon Company rite
thin ibex
Lol
You know. I wish the Catachan infantry could bring snipers and flamers
Instead of just flamers
upper canopy
thin ibex
i forget, do units with scout as a rule give scout to the transport they are in?
jaunty dawn
yes but only dedicated transports
thin ibex
thats fine, that means chimera carrying catachans can scout
thin ibex
or a taurox... to get like maximum distance
jaunty dawn
well it's based on the scout rule
jaunty dawn
ahh
jaunty dawn
nice
jaunty dawn
shame there's no catachan leader with scout to join them
also sad that the kasrkin ability is worded so they can't self order in a transport :((
even with the new disembark stuff
thin ibex
Heavy Recon
@tepid stratus
the extra taurox is narrative to carry gaunts ghosts and marbo
and the ratlings... i think there's room for em
indigo wadi
pulsar cairn
Hello ma
thin ibex
heres another recon themed one for space wolves
pulsar cairn
ok
adrick released an episode on the months of shame
and now i see why they didn't get in too much trouble
when evacuating the civilians their ships got in the line of fire and didn't shoot back at the inquisition ships
don't ask me about the grey knight that got decapitated tho
thin ibex
It's OK, the gk don't technically exist
So what are you gonna do, censure them for killing someone who doesn't exist?
pulsar cairn
that's fair lmao
pulsar cairn
i wonder
if someone like Kharn killed Lucius
wouldn't his Chaos god just protect him from the curse?
the consensus is that Slaneesh would probably cheat sure, but I'm now I'm curious
thin ibex
Questions like that is why gw is afraid to play out lucius against anyone named
floral herald
Whatever the writer decides happens when it happens
It's not possible to answer something like that in a hypothetical I think
The point of the armor is more to torment lucius than anything else though
pulsar cairn
The point of the armor is more to torment lucius than anything else though
so probably just revive him without stealing a body then (at least on that situation)
jaunty dawn
lucius pops out of kharn's shoulder like the curseling and then slaanesh and khorne have to fight a custody battle
meanwhile Kharn-Lucius start a sitcom about their misadventures
quaint compass
They become fast friends and realize the chaos gods don't have their best interest in mind
thin ibex
Does each lucius kill count for his kill counter? Or does it only count once
upper canopy
Kharn kills Lucius and Lucius ressurects in his body but then Kharn pops out 10 feet away with a new body
this continues forever
pastel rampart
thin ibex
It reads like a looney toon
Legion imperialis seems kinda cool
Watching play on's recent video
solemn gull
They become fast friends and realize the chaos gods don't have their best intere...
I think both of them realized that a looooonnngggg time ago
quaint compass
:O
pulsar cairn
wut that
jaunty dawn
imperialis seems very cool it would be wild if any of it was in stock xP
thin ibex
think its got support on tts?
jaunty dawn
kinda tempted to buy a bunch of planes cause they seem very fun to build
might do warhounds? bunch of mkii assault squads?
Kinda waiting on more. everything to be released to see if I wanna get into playing and making an army though I think
night lords are also tempting though
ebon forge
Honestly the Ork vehicles seens fun and a pain to build at the same time
thin ibex
imperialis has planes right?
jaunty dawn
it's got a relatively large amount of planes
cause all the planes got rules already having models from aeronautica
thin ibex
how would i paint them? easy, single basecoat, drybrush, detail pass
thin ibex
who's that bad boi?
jaunty dawn
mega bomma
soft willow
So many mans:
soft willow
Anyway that’s just about a full 3k list.
thin ibex
thats awesome
is 3k like... the norm?
and knights!
the play on game had no knights
or aircraft
soft willow
It’s the suggested point level.
I have a couple half assembled Warhounds from the starter.
thin ibex
is this a format i could field a reaver or warlord titans?
soft willow
And I can’t actually field all those knights.
jaunty dawn
gosh the thawk is meaty
soft willow
Yes to the Titans question.
soft willow
It can in fact just blast a knight.
thin ibex
hell yeah
jaunty dawn
it can carry like 8 bases too
soft willow
It’s actually better at killing armor than aircraft making it a proper gunship.
jaunty dawn
even 8 dreads
soft willow
It’s a Heavy Assault Transport.
It can only carry 4 dreads or 8 bases.
Jump troops can get out even if it doesn’t hover, so it’s great for those too.
jaunty dawn
ohh right
soft willow
It does count terminators and jump troops as normal bases instead of double though.
soft willow
And they can assault out of it!
jaunty dawn
yeah that
soft willow
But yeah the scale of the game makes aircraft kinda make sense.
And they fly off every turn so they're constantly just circling around for another attack run.
jaunty dawn
I really like the idea of doing aircraft that way
where you have like a snapshot of the airspace each turn basically
soft willow
Yup, and to really be able to hit aircraft you need special rules like Skyfire.
jaunty dawn
counter deploying interceptors
soft willow
Otherwise you're taking pot shots and hoping for 6's.
Interceptor is a special rule that lets aircraft shoot at other aircraft when they move.
So you get the sense they're proactively shooting too.
There's lots of cool shit like that in Imperialis.
soft willow
It's very fluffy if somewhat limited due to how HQ choices work.
jaunty dawn
soft willow
oh do you choose the knights like additional loadout
Sadly no, Knights are locked loadouts, with an optional missile launcher.
But they've got cool options.
thin ibex
oh neat, does every legion have their own rules? As i understand you get representation from knights, titans, space marines legions, solar auxilia, and thats it right?
soft willow
Correct, and each of the 18 legions have their own special rule.
Solar Aux also has some unique rules.
Titans and Knights don't have house or legio specific rules.
jaunty dawn
they are but they are of varying interest haha
soft willow
Yeah the rules range from amazingly OP good, to this is the dumbest rule ever for a legion.
But fortunately you aren't limited to a single legion in a list.
thin ibex
whats muh bois the space wolves rule?
soft willow
whats muh bois the space wolves rule?
I'm sorry.
They have good noses, so you can't inflitrate close to them.
soft willow
It's great against Raven Guard and Alpha Legion.
And completely pointless against everyone else.
It's regrettably one of the worst rules, but it's likely going to get better as more infiltrate/outrider models come out.
It's still not as good as Blood Angels get sweeping advances to keep fighting in melee, or Imperial Fists re-roll all your guns with the "First Fire" order though.
jaunty dawn
or world eaters being world eaters
soft willow
Extra combat mojo is good.
floral herald
What do ifs or soh get?
soft willow
Imperial Fists get full re-rolls on shots from anything that isn't plasma guns for their infantry in the fires first order.
jaunty dawn
so shoot while standing still
soft willow
Sons of Horus get re-roll 1's on bolters if the enemy is in close range and they're doing a move and shoot.
soft willow
Oh, sorry not just bolters.
Any "Light" or "Light AT" weapon.
So basically not heavy weapons.
soft willow
Emperor's Children are fun, they just have a once per game, I win the initiative roll for the turn.
floral herald
Oh that’s cool
jaunty dawn
word bearers take orders even if they're broken
soft willow
It's still alternating activations, but you can use it to tip key things.
soft willow
word bearers take orders even if they're broken
This one is much better than it sounds.
It lets them field smaller formations and still get the best use of them.
floral herald
What do dangels get?
pulsar cairn
is legion imperialis the game for thos solar auxilia minis i've been seeing?
soft willow
What do dangels get?
Hooo boy.
So Dark Angels have a complicated one that's ultimately okayish.
jaunty dawn
possibly! solar auxilia have more recently had plastic 28mm models announced
soft willow
"Formation of the Hexagrammaton" is the name of it.
jaunty dawn
same designs though
thin ibex
They have a special rule where the opponent pays you 5 US Dollars immediately
soft willow
And the TLDR is, you need to make your formations have three different types of units. So like Walkers, Vehicles, and Infantry.
If you do that, you pick one of three options they have to improve one type of unit.
So either your infantry get a couple special rules, your bikes get a rule, or your vehicles get a rule.
Since there aren't bikes yet, it's basically to make your infantry fight into buildings and not run away, or make your tanks ignore difficult terrain.
It's not too hard to make formations with different unit types, but not buffing all your units means you'll always be slightly unoptimal.
In theory you can pick a different choice every game, so if someone ran a tournament they might have some game on flexibility.
floral herald
Interesting
spice flicker
I know CK want to spam war dogs but I'm not the biggest fan of dog park lists. I grudgingly respect them but would rather run lists with more than one of the big guys if I can. So what are you guys' thoughts on this chaos knights list?
Abominant, lord of dread
Despoiler, double thermal, aura of terror, warlord
Rampager
2x huntsman
2x karnivores
1x executioner
2000/2000 points
soft willow
Take any of the big guys other than the Abominant.
floral herald
What’s wrong with the abominant?
soft willow
He's great until you hit anything anti-psyker and then he gets to take lots of damage.
spice flicker
I want to keep as close to 2000 as I can without relying on daemons (I don't like them tbh) so for close to the same cost I can get: atrapos, lancer, archeron, magaera, and desecrator. Which would you suggest?
soft willow
Plus his volkite gun falls flat against other options you can bring.
A desecrator or a Magaera unless you really want to yolo forward with a lancer.
brittle salmon
Its melee also is like, fine but not great
soft willow
It gets a lot of attacks which is kinda nice though.
I just think it doesn't do well against anything you need a big Knight to fight.
It does have the advantage of being cool as fuck though.
spice flicker
And actually benefits/boosts the CK Detachment stuff centered around battleshock
soft willow
True, but that's hard to rely on.
soft willow
They’re both solid shooting and combat in a single package
spice flicker
The desecrator is the equivalent to the preceptor and those aren't in good standing right now correct?
soft willow
Kinda but you can’t have more than 900 points of Knights/Titans at 3k
jaunty dawn
and allies
soft willow
Actually it’s worse because you also have marines/aux mixed.
Yeah it’s 70% Marines or Aux and 30% whatever else.
soft willow
And flame templates!
jaunty dawn
for legion traits if you go marine main you can mix on a formation level but if you take marines as allies you only get one
soft willow
It’s also important that you can only have an allied formation for each formation of your main faction
New recruit does a decent job enforcing all this.
thin ibex
ohhh ok
so wait, a single warlord is like 600 or so points
would that mean thats the only ally i cam bring pretty much?
jaunty dawn
shame the malcador infernus isnt out yet
soft willow
Unless you play a larger game it’s two thirds your allies.
jaunty dawn
big flamer
naive abyss
was bored and decided to do some edits of impcat to do my napoleonic regimetn on a krieg model. not sure which version i prefer though lol
floral herald
And flame templates!
must be for very large fires haha
naive abyss
I think I like 4 most
so bottom of coat red trim with red gun?
just to confirm its displaying the same for both of us lol
jaunty dawn
yup
naive abyss
mm mm
jaunty dawn
must be for very large fires haha
heavy flamer sponsons on a baneblade are just cover ignoring light weapons
naive abyss
that reminds me man i hope we get that flamer malcador
cuz i love the lil fuel wagon it has
peak gribbly tank vibes imo
floral herald
heavy flamer sponsons on a baneblade are just cover ignoring light weapons
Yeah I'm guessing its for the titans and such
jaunty dawn
then warhound inferno cannons break out the templates :)
its even called firestorm instead of flamer or template weapon haha
cause its all weapons which would use the firestorm template in classic apocalypse
floral herald
Yeah looks like its just Warhound and Warmaster titans
jaunty dawn
or hellstorm rather
oh also occupying buildings is super good defensively
but certain heavy weapons can blow up buildings
thin ibex
I took another go at it
jaunty dawn
as can stuff like leviathans with drills
thin ibex
I figured I wouldn't go for the big robo
And instead bring a pack of knights
But I admit I tactically have no idea what I'm going
Doing*
Does each Detachment have to stick together?
jaunty dawn
uh yeah
they're analagous to squad
but a base can be independent, like assault marines, which lets them range a bit further away from the rest of their detachment
and take a different order
no split fire by default; entire detachment will shoot one other single detachment
independent gets around that, as do point defense weapons on vehicles
jaunty dawn
it depends kinda
thin ibex
mostly was trying to emulate a mixed pack and the ol terminator squad leaders n stuff lol
jaunty dawn
big detachments have a significant advantage in melee
thin ibex
the main idea was yeah, to get into the mix with the whole thing
and the assault bois and terminators would help out
jaunty dawn
and to get the biggest detachments youhave to mix
thin ibex
I'm honestly still confused why the legion astartes never did Jump Pack Marines With Special Weapons
jump up on a building
rain fire down
thin ibex
makes sense to me to have dudes who rush to garrison strong points fast, and then have the weapons to fight from it
floral herald
I'm honestly still confused why the legion astartes never did Jump Pack Marines ...
laughing chaos raptors .wrp
thin ibex
lol
jaunty dawn
veterans can do jump packs plus combi weapons
ashen circle in word bearers are jump pack and flamers
and nasty power-chainaxes
destroyers can actually do mass volkite or hand flamers
which kinda counts in a more seraphim type way
but yeah then assault marines afterwards were flamer or plasma pistol only, raptors could do flamer, melta or plasma
I think upgunned destroyers are the closest in terms of all special weapon squad though. gets expensive
and then 1/5 gets either an acid flamer or a radiation missile launcher
desert jay
so bottom of coat red trim with red gun?
That's the one I like too but I think it's also the most work for you
soft willow
I think there’s some confusion above about how units are broken down in LI.
Units are part of detachments which have coherency and take orders together.
Detachments make up formations which deploy together but then can do their own thing.
Whatever formations you have make up your army.
jaunty dawn
only independent models form units within a detachment
the rest of the detachment is then the 'detachment core' or just the detachment really if no independent models are present
it is confusing though. I mix up formation and detachment constantly
desert jay
Yeah I really think detachment should've been called a unit, keep the term at "controllable set of models"
And the sub-unit groups of dudes on a base get called a fireteam or w/e
soft willow
only independent models form units within a detachment
Technically they've still got an extended coherency with an Independent model, just that they get different orders.
soft willow
too many words that all mean the same thing really
GW reusing words to mean different things? This is my shocked face 😐
soft willow
It's actively weird to me that buying individual Knight formations is generally better if you can get away with it.
desert jay
I think they wanted to preserve like a "soldier < unit < detachment < company/regiment/etc" hierarchy and then had to invent "formation" to slide in there and fill a new level
jaunty dawn
yeah
but especially with the mixed detachments all moving together I like. can't not see that as a formation
desert jay
But it's just so detached from non-40k meanings of the word, even swapping detachment and formation would've been better
jaunty dawn
yeah I think it would
especially since in previous 40k stuff we've had detachments be seperate force org charts
and formations being groups of units in apocalypse
like in apocalypse a bunch of contemptors and leviathans together would make a named formation of some sort
or a couple squadrons of tanks
and then in 7th edition that was just regular 40k
desert jay
"Unit" is a funky word to use like this b/c in military parlance it's basically any coherent structured grouping, you have big units made up of medium units made up of smaller units. And in wargame/strategy terms a unit is just the smallest controllable set of whatever
jaunty dawn
mm
jaunty dawn
was making this while we were chattin @thin ibex @soft willow
soft willow
I think you can do this more efficiently with more Demi-companies.
Otherwise seems like you’ve got solid air cover and a good mix.
naive abyss
this would make a cool daemon prince or keeper of secrets Ngl
unreal cosmos
Deffo
jaunty dawn
not as of yet
might be a thing down the line
but rn if you wanna do all titans and knights that's what adeptus titanicus is for
soft willow
The next book has a 6k point Titan/Knight focused game mode.
Here's my list for an upcoming game: https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/wKGgV
Mostly optimized to not having to buy an absurd number of infantry boxes right now.
thin ibex
boom
thin ibex
Here's my list for an upcoming game: https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/wKGgV
I like the volume of transports and the T-Hawks
soft willow
Space Marines zoom zoom.
pulsar cairn
incubi look really cool
thin ibex
ive never fully understood their like
shtick
they're the most martial of the Drukharii?
and effectively us a more practical batleth?
floral herald
They’re basically an Aspect Shrine (probably) founded by Arhra the fallen Phoenix Lord in commorragh
thin ibex
what distinguishes them from say striking scorpions or banshees?
Also tangent, but the start collecting box for stormcast in AOS comes with 3 retributors, but apparently minimum unit size for retributors is 5 guys?
floral herald
They’re a different aspect shrine so they use different weapons and armor? I’m not sure what you’re asking
thin ibex
does that make those models unusable?
thin ibex
They’re a different aspect shrine so they use different weapons and armor? I’m n...
I guess I'm wondering what their specific niche/role is in practicing the aspects of war
since each aspect warrior generally targets some specific aspect
floral herald
Oh, it’s like heavy shock melee stuff
They’ve got heavy armor like scorps or fragons but instead of being sneaky like scorps they carry heavy power weapons
They’re also a common choice of bodyguard for archons because they’re very dangerous and very apolitical
pulsar cairn
they are more about killing stuff rather than torturing aren't they?
i mean
they still probably kill u in a painful way
pulsar cairn
what's a batleth?
jaunty dawn
klingon sword from star trek
floral herald
Klaives look… less silly to me but it’s marginal
pulsar cairn
oooh
floral herald
Batleth for context
jaunty dawn
there's even like a mini batleth called the mek'leth which they sometimes use in pairs
like demi-klaives
unreal cosmos
They’re also a common choice of bodyguard for archons because they’re very dange...
I'm glad you can attach them now
floral herald
Could you not for a while?
thin ibex
its a less silly batleth, but its totally a batleth
jaunty dawn
Also tangent, but the start collecting box for stormcast in AOS comes with 3 ret...
I think the start collecting is technically just a bunch of the old 2e starter box stuff
which featured silly unit sizes
like the nighthaunt only got 5 grimghast reapers
naive abyss
Tbh the incubi weapons always read as like weird axes to me
still warren
If you're building a storm cast army best value is tracking down a dominions box, $100 for just shy of 1500 points of stormcast and then the other half of the box are krule boys
jaunty dawn
you also got only 2 evocators which are a 5 man unit too
pulsar cairn
if i terrify the shit out someoje by hunting them for sport does that feed Slaneesh?
thin ibex
I think the start collecting is technically just a bunch of the old 2e starter b...
dang, so its honestly not a great way t ostart an army?
naive abyss
Like its vaguely epislon axe shaped lol
jaunty dawn
people use the rets as a different paladin unit which are 3 base
annhilators with meteoric hammers
pulsar cairn
cause i remember an incubi doing that on a baldemort video
jaunty dawn
the rest is fine for the most part but the liberators don't have their 1 in 5 weapons
thin ibex
so I'd have something like this for my list with just a start collecting
naive abyss
But the batleth inspo is definitely also there lol
thin ibex
that seems like such an awkward weapon to wield
jaunty dawn
just elf things innit
thin ibex
ah wait the prosecutors would come with paired hammers id bet
add in questor soulsworn from warcry
and maybe judicators with bows
ah puts me just above 1000
pine matrix
Incubi are fun because another thing is that, IIRC, they don't give a shit about martial honour. Aspects Shrines have a sort of nobility to them and unless you're an exarch, it's a part of yourself that you put away when not at war. Incubi are All Murder, All The Time, by any means necessary
jaunty dawn
incubi shrine is like
making an aspect of rejecting the concept of an aspect
you have to prove your dominance by defeating an aspect warrior
thin ibex
This is where ive ended up on if i wanted to start a stormcast army, needing the start collecting box, a box of vindictors, and the questor soulsword warcry box; costing me 215 bucks altogether
pulsar cairn
yeh 
thin ibex
for 1k
bright dove
Not bad
thin ibex
The Vanguard Ogors box give me enough models for 1k, but not enough battleline
since it only gives me 1 battleline unit
but tis only 170 bucks
bright dove
My BoC 1k army is the Start Collecting, a Gorghon, and a Herdstone
thin ibex
to get the right amount of battleline, id need to buy 2 more units of gluttons
putting me at like 300 bucks
bright dove
Woof
There is also the option of grabbing a beastlord and another set of Gors
But the Gorghon/Cygor is just cool
thin ibex
turns out runninh a sons of behamat army or buying it
isnt actually that much cheaper
for 3 mancrushers and 1 beast smasher
is 370 bucks
thin ibex
I was thinking they'd be cheaper because low model count but nahhh
bright dove
Big and generally detailed
thin ibex
About 300 bucks for this
it looks like stormcast are prooobably the most affordable to start
unreal cosmos
That tracks
bright dove
I should check and see how much Slaves of Darkness Vanguard gets you
140 bucks over there gets a Chaos Lord (110 pts), Knights (220), Warriors (180), and a Gorebeast Chariot (100 pts). So 610 already
still warren
The dominions box is 100 bucks for ~1400 points of storm casts and ~800 points of krule Boyz, have you looked at that?
tepid stratus
It's a shame the old beastclaw start collecting is gone, $120 for 700pts was a good deal
bright dove
Beasts of Chaos Vanguard gets you 750
Bray-Shaman, 3 Dragon Ogors, Gors, Bestigors, and Ungor Raiders
still warren
The 4e launch box probably will have something good value, fingers crossed for skaven
bright dove
Fingers crossed indeed
But yeah, 205 for the Vanguard and a Gorghon gets you a 980 point army for BoC. It's not Dominion, but it's still not bad
past sphinx
genuine question, why isnt he an iron warrior
thin ibex
The dominions box is 100 bucks for ~1400 points of storm casts and ~800 points o...
oh nah i havent actually hadnt considered the starter box sets either
naive abyss
Cuz then won't match the rest
jaunty dawn
cause all the generic models get painted as either an imperial fist or shorus
past sphinx
cowards the lot of them
jaunty dawn
imperial fist would probably still fit better though
floral herald
🙄
jaunty dawn
but maybe the imperial fist person was busy painting another model at the time
still warren
oh nah i havent actually hadnt considered the starter box sets either
It's legit the best deal I think gw has. 2000+ points for 100$
naive abyss
This model has ironically made me rotate a primaris founding not iron warriors gene seed we swear homebrew chapter
pine matrix
That's a cool ass model, love the little console, though at first I thought it was AL colour scheme
naive abyss
Call them the Iron Pilgrims out some shit lol
jaunty dawn
I feel like the phosphex bombs ar a little too lowkey
oh he does have one on his belt too
I do like the up armoured mark 6 look
the greaves recall some of the old devestator legs
unreal cosmos
Lotsa folks in the HH discord complained about it not being Mk3
jaunty dawn
we already got a mk3 siege breaker they just called it a traitor champion for some reason
;P
thin ibex
i forget, is the most modern suit of power armor pre-primaris better or just hte best compromise between compromise and manufacturing?
unreal cosmos
I have heard Mk7 is generally The Best but it was also from someone still holding out hope that it becomes the default armor again lol
jaunty dawn
but like pretty much ever mark is better at it's specialties
mk 7 is like the best all rounder probably
although hm
iirc mk4 is one of the ones called out as being sought after, and iron hands ability to still produce it jealously guarded
mk4 is another kinda advanced all rounder but harder to manufacture
thin ibex
oh do the iron hands legitimately just have better armor?
is the better toughness out of the salamanders mostly their own personal fortitude rather than their armor crafting?
thin ibex
ahhh gotcha
floral herald
Lotsa folks in the HH discord complained about it not being Mk3
I admit I was thinking "its funny this guy wears MK6 plate for this role"
jaunty dawn
iron hands are tough cause half of them is redudant bionics
mark 5, 6, 7 are all partially based on like, heresy and post heresy industrial capability
while mark 4 is like the expensive advanced suit. put that probably also makes it break down harder without maintenance
this all kinda became a thing when it got explored in the badab war series
which is also when fw started putting out the different squads
n it's stuff like mark 3 is still prized for boarding assault squads etc
raptors love getting their hands on mark 6 for its sensors and the like
past sphinx
i wonder how much MK6 was considered a status symbol in traitor troops even in something like the IW
jaunty dawn
most chaos models are in mk6
floral herald
Are they? I thought mk5 was the iconic traitor suit
jaunty dawn
at least partially
past sphinx
mk5 is goated but not specifc traitor gear
jaunty dawn
mk 5 is complicated
past sphinx
iirc its more used by loyalists as a slap dash stopgap
jaunty dawn
it's basically a bunch of individual parts that are compatible with mark 4 and mark 6
past sphinx
because horus funneled mk6 to traitors beyond the turn
jaunty dawn
but there isn't like a unified design for a mark 5 suit
mark 4 was the funneled to traitors thing
mark 6 is a kinda...everyone was testing it and partway through the heresy was the easiest to make en masse on both sides
past sphinx
really? i couldve sworn he pushed the front line top of the list into his legions
jaunty dawn
maybe. it's kinda messy
thin ibex
I'ma try and make a full power armor only list themed after Ironhands. No gravis
jaunty dawn
mark 4 was the best armour, being rolled out just before the heresy as the shiny new update from the mark 2/3 system, which he pushed the bulk of that resupply to his traitor allies
mark 6 was in early testing at that point in the raven guard, and was rejected by the iron warriors
floral herald
Makes sense, esp with MKX being based on MK4
jaunty dawn
uh and then mark 5 because there isn't one suit it's used as a catch all term for any mark 4-6 amalgam suit
but that also includes pieces that are like standalone kit which is where a lot of the more iconic mark 5 pieces are from like the helmet or the cables everywhere
past sphinx
its the one with the yell face and ball bearings 🙂
mk5 might be an ambigous term but they all yell real good
junior robin
and torsos
jaunty dawn
and msot have a mark 6 chest plate with the straps
the ones with knee pads are arguably mark 5 but like, none have the leg cables so
just as easily could be mark 7
the arms are basically all chaos-d beyond recognition into their own style, as are the shoulder pads
thin ibex
figure if im 100% infantry and no advanced armor, the whole army would appreciate the stealth and cover benefits from vanguard
no phobos units so the stratagems uh, are less important
jaunty dawn
the lore for mark 5 is really messy because reasons but it basically shakes out as; there was a finished mark 4 set of armour, then there was a bunch of individual development and ad hoc parts and slapping shit together, which when the mark 6 design was completed (first by the loyalists trying to replace aging suits, then stolen by the traitors) were retroactively termed mark 5. Anything not designed as part of the mark 4 or mark 6 packages thus becomes mark 5, as does any suit armour using those parts
ebon forge
opinions on the book 'Master of Makind'?
jaunty dawn
some mark 5 suits were created bespoke but it was like taking advancements were it had happened and filling in the gaps with whatever finalised designs you had access to in post mark 3 design space
pine matrix
opinions on the book 'Master of Makind'?
Read it a bit more than a year ago, but I remember enjoying it, has a good look at the breadth of Emp's vision
ebon forge
Read it a bit more than a year ago, but I remember enjoying it, has a good look ...
Thank, was seeking Custodes books and people recommended that one.
pine matrix
It's defintely got a lotta Custodes stuff!
But also the general figures around the Palace as a whole
ebon forge
Thank ya!
I quite like the banana bois
pine matrix
I liked it despite World Eater slander featured in it, lmao
ebon forge
oh the world eaters are the punching bag
better then than Iron Warriors
LOOK
i love their drip
And Kharn
but they can be a bunch of dumbasses
thin ibex
I often dislike portrayals of khornates as total mindless frothing, easily duped and easily led creatures. Sometimes they are exactly that though
unreal cosmos
What's a fun non-Raven-Guard chapter to do a vanguard company for?
floral herald
Ok, this came up a while ago about minor chaos gods
Spiky Bits: Chaos Space Marines often add ornate and fearsome spikes to their armour. Why they do so, no one is sure, though some say it may be in praise of the minor Chaos powers Mo'rcck, Phraz-Etar and An'sl. Whatever the reason, a Chaos Space Marine adorned with spiky bits may re-roll one close combat To Hit dice per assault phase.
I didn't know this was the context for them
floral herald
What's a fun non-Raven-Guard chapter to do a vanguard company for?
I am (very) slowly working on an Imperial Fists recon/sappers phobos kill team
Which I think is a similar concept at least
unreal cosmos
I found out I can get close to 2k points going all in on the theme, tho Infiltrators not being Battleline keeps me from meeting the 6 squads requirement :v
unreal cosmos
I am (very) slowly working on an Imperial Fists recon/sappers phobos kill team
Nice, that was definitely one I had in mind
Bright yellow stealth teams
thin ibex
What's a fun non-Raven-Guard chapter to do a vanguard company for?
My personal favorite is a Wolfspear Vanguard Company
I think Carcharadons work for vnanguard
unreal cosmos
Wolfspears rock
...hey Vanguard units actually work alright with the Not IF detachment huh
Lotta Heavy in there
floral herald
Yeah its a decent match
pine matrix
I often dislike portrayals of khornates as total mindless frothing, easily duped...
It works better for the World Eaters because you get to see their degeneration post-Butchers Nails and post-Khorne. I really need to read that Angron book that was released around Ark of Omens, since apparently one of the characters is a aspiring world eater
Maybe I should paint up some HH world eaters...
tepid stratus
It works better for the World Eaters because you get to see their degeneration p...
It's a great read despite the grey knight chapters being a bit dull. The aspiring world eater is actually a blood Angels successor, the book makes a point that a lot of blood Angels who don't want to resist the red thirst will join up with world eaters warbands. Spoiler for a short story at the end of the book || a berserker in a drop pod with other berserkers is confused why the others in his squad keep saying they saw the Red Angel fight on Terra despite them having joined his warband long after the scouring. It's left heavily implied that the other berserkers are traitor blood Angels suffering from the black rage and the nails make them see sanguinius as Angron in their visions. ||
past sphinx
i fuckin love Planet munchers, have the whole damn time but man have berserkers done damage to khrone as a whole because yeah khorne is the blood god but hes also the god of war and martial honor and such
a roman legion and a viking raiding band are equally Khorny to a fashion
The blood pact could be a really good example of that come to think of it
jaunty dawn
kinda dislike that the blood pact are portrayed as such an anomaly
past sphinx
God loves a madman sure, he may slay a hundred foes and gather a dozen fine skulls for the throne but a army? proper regimented and orderly? they can kill thousands and hundreds of thousands
jaunty dawn
they are very cool though
past sphinx
kinda dislike that the blood pact are portrayed as such an anomaly
id like more chaos worshipping societys that arent all the way down at the bottom of the deldar pit
or specificly fucked up aliens
bright dove
As ever, Age of Sigmar has this
past sphinx
as always bonereapers stand above
pastel rampart
> **Spiky Bits**: Chaos Space Marines often add ornate and fearsome spikes to th...
I like that those minor chaos gods are just Michael Moorcock, Franke Frazetta, and Brian Ansel.
pulsar cairn
when it comes to the nids intelligence
we know they are intelligent just not what kind of intelligence that they have right?
floral herald
I like that those minor chaos gods are just Michael Moorcock, Franke Frazetta, a...
Yeah lol
pastel rampart
we know they are intelligent just not what kind of intelligence that they have r...
They have a wholly alien intelligence that no other species in the galaxy shares.
aka this
pine matrix
Are there any novels that show the intelligence of the Hive Mind? Obviously Tyranids are the sorta "waves of hungry beasts" faction but it'd be neat to see them being more obviously directed
bright dove
Oh, a lot of 'Nid codex stuff will get into their tactics
Because they can pull off some advanced feints and the like
Any commander who treats the 'Nids as just animals will just lose
jaunty dawn
deathleaper does a funny trick where he kills every guy in a building except the boss
pine matrix
Yeah, that's what I mean! I feel like you could do some scary shit with the juxtaposition of each individual Tyranid's beastly nature and the overall tactics they employ
jaunty dawn
and then he's like ooh that's scary and he bring a bunch of new guys into the building
and deathleaper does it again and again every night
just to fuck with this one boss
and he goes all paranoid
bright dove
Like, you get things like 'Nids forcing the enemy to waste ammo with gaunts, then sending in the shock forces
jaunty dawn
so the bossman would lose all hope and the forces would fall apart, rather than dying and becoming a rallypoint
pine matrix
That's pretty cool
pine matrix
I hope we'll get to see some of that in the new space marine game
jaunty dawn
this all happened before the main tyranid force even came into orbit too
bright dove
Yuup
There's also Genestealer Cults
Which is the biggest indicator of 'Nid strategy
past sphinx
Zoats to
pine matrix
Like, "individual" nids like lictors and tyrants make somewhat sense as "oh these are the ones calling the shots" and GSC are for the most part human, so you expect "okay they'll have strategies" but it'd be pretty freaky to see a whole hoard of gaunts turn as one when their stop feigning a retreat, or throw themselves against a wall so their bodies pile up high enough for more forces to climb over
thin ibex
i generally feel like the opening minutes of a nid military strategy is on a macro level predictible, but the mid and late strategies would be much harder due to their adaptations being not just biological but tactical as well
pine matrix
A moment where you realise "I'm not fighting just individual creatures here, I'm fighting a macro-organism"
bright dove
Never forget you ate still trying to outmaneuver an enemy commander
pine matrix
One of your generals gets his brain eaten and now the swarm knows what your battle plan is
thin ibex
just be ursurkar e creed
the most tactics of all tactics
or maybe imotekh
its too bad we never got an imotekh/ursukar face off
jaunty dawn
they could still write it tbf
bright dove
There's definitely Custodes who could too
jaunty dawn
tigurius mind read the hive mind
bright dove
I would pay money to have Peturabo sit down in front of 'Nids and dare them to try
past sphinx
a man whos never had a good model
imo
what does tiger boy look like? well basically every other librarian
jaunty dawn
truly
pine matrix
I just thought, it's kinda funny the secondary antagonists to space marine 2 being 1k sons, what with the Shadow in the Warp and all. I wonder if that's going to be the explanation why the main character isn't just blown up with mind bullets
past sphinx
I just thought, it's kinda funny the secondary antagonists to space marine 2 bei...
smite becomes a dodge rollable attack
uneven ember
what distinguishes them from say striking scorpions or banshees?
So a few hours old but my personal take on it
Where the Banshees' martial ideal is the harbinger of doom and screaming terror to their enemies, and the Scorpions are based on stealth and deception and striking at the perfect moment, the Incubi embody the martial philosophy of I Just Fucking Kill You.
Murder for its own sake, stripped of art or pretense, with skill being measured in terms of simple ability to turn enemies into corpses.
unreal cosmos
to quote Brain Guy, "My species has evolved beyond war, we only kill out of personal spite."
dense sedge
this would make a cool daemon prince or keeper of secrets Ngl
I think that may be intended as a proxy for the living harp lady
naive abyss
i mean theyre part of a line up of daemons that are a band
the modesl way too big to be the harp lady i think
floral herald
It doesn’t look much bigger
past sphinx
you know what
why dont guard have an anti tank rifle unit
that would be rad as hell
thin ibex
id be friggin down for that
past sphinx
on a fucked up prone base
gotta be
love a fucked up prone sniper model thats a pain in the dick to paint
thin ibex
Str 6 BS5+ 1A AP -3 D3 Heavy, Anti Vehicle 4+, Sustained Hits 1
Button Vehicle: Each time this model has shot, choose one MONSTER or VEHICLE hit by one or more of those attacks. Until the end of the that players next command phase subtract 1 from that unit's To Hit roll.
thin ibex
I made a fun zero primaris list that I honestly think can do work
Many lascannons, all of which hey a reroll to either hit, wound, or damage from Ironstorm
And many wound rrerolls from razorback deployments
mental birch
It's implied he started somewhere in the middle east
ebon forge
ah so Sumerian is only an aproximation, thanks
ebon forge
oh my god is the pot of beat
cloud flicker
Helldivers good
pastel rampart
naive abyss
thin ibex
yo, the new krootox melee guys facing up against skorpeks seem like a cool match up
(i think the krootox prolly lose, but its still cool)
cloud flicker
They look so awesome
unreal cosmos
I wanna see one fucking bite the face off a space marine or ork or something
thin ibex
hmmm, which list to build now
glossy vapor
Did/does abbadon have any people he cares for other than horus? I can't find Any examples and I wonder if that's because he changed after horus died, because otherwise I can't quite understand abbadon venerating hotus, who tried to look after and respect his troops, while Abby himself saw everyone around him as a pawn.
also like, abbadon's whole rhetoric is "we astartes are the ones who died to claim the galaxy, we shouldn't be governed by a man who treats us like expendable pawns"... while treating other CSM as expendable pawns. Does he believe in some rationalization for how he is actually going to be better for them, or is it just the rhetoric that works the best to sway people to his side?
tepid stratus
Did/does abbadon have any people he cares for other than horus? I can't find Any...
It's important to remember that astartes, especially the traitor legions have only ever known war as a way of life. They're living weapons and they acknowledge that. Abaddon doesn't care for them in any fraternal sense but he does believe that astartes should be led by astartes, that they be a weapon of destruction like they were designed and the galaxy be put to the sword by astartes hands. He echos a specific version of Horus' rhetoric of astartes being unchained by the false pretenses of an imperium that would eliminate them the moment external wars ceased to be a threat. He doesn't inspire his men through respect or care but instead by offering them a freedom of purpose to be exactly what they were made to be with no resignations or pretenses.
And then you get into the hypocrisy and messiness of making a bed with the word bearers, and you having to follow in your father's footsteps as the undivided champion but at least conveniently the ideologies of "we exist to wage war" and "the dark gods demand blood" work wonderfully well together
spice flicker
jaunty dawn
so true
jaunty dawn
I'm kinda sad that it feels like the onager has fallen by the wayside
its one of my favourite admech models
defiler too
thin ibex
has the onager fallen through? I figure it still sees a fair amount of play still with its neutron laser
the defiler really does feel like its fallen through tho
one of my favorite chaos models lol
it mostly just has a not great special rule
pastel rampart
Even when the Defiler first came out in the 3.5 'dex it had an awkward placement role-wise.
jaunty dawn
I think it kinda has yeah, compared to stuff like ironstriders and the hover tank
it's better now mechanically but like in terms of being the first admech tank it hasn't really informed further development
pastel rampart
It can do a bunch of ranged attacks and dropping pie-plates was good, but it was a big-ass targert that wasn't AV14 and also kinda sorta wanted to get into melee? But it didn't have many attacks and an only-okay WS and initiative, so melee-specced stuff could trounce it.
jaunty dawn
during 9th it wasn't doing well at all
floral herald
The defiler has I think always been cooler than it is good
pastel rampart
But also 3.5 dex had Iron Warriors taking basilisks and also CSM had vindicators so if you needed pie-plates you had other, cheaper options.
floral herald
Since it’s such a muddled multirole light/medium platform
jaunty dawn
the defiler looks like it could pick up a rhino and eat it
pastel rampart
Yeah. And not really a cheap multirole, historically--not expensive, but you had better value elsewhere.
floral herald
I know it had a very funny if not that good niche where it could ignore screening melee in 9E
pastel rampart
the defiler looks like it could pick up a rhino and eat it
Or throw it, which would be a really funny ability.
pastel rampart
Destroys a light vehicle/other walker in melee, gets a free "eat this fuckass" throw at an enemy unit within 12".
thin ibex
ohhh, penny you mean that the onager as a design hasn't really carried through to future admech stuff?
i forget, is the onager still included in the bigger admech boxes?
jaunty dawn
the current combat patrol as the flying guys n stuff
nd some dogs
it's also just a vibe I get more than anything haha
not really something I can put into words
thin ibex
well in any event, I think its still cool
its definitely not been like the mvp's of the admech's tourney lists any time recently i suppose
but i think its a bit of a workhorse
i do wish its alternative weapon options were bit more applicable
jaunty dawn
it's kinda partially like
admech have only gotten two new vehicle
but a ton of new skitarii infatry/cavalry
which means the balance from their initial lineup has changed quite a lot
floral herald
I am surprised that there isn't a heavy ass armor model for admech
jaunty dawn
and it's kinda like how the fixing things part of admech is entirely gone from 10th edition
when cawl's Thing when he dropped was being able to fix literally anything
so you've kinda got this faction that represents the industrial might of the imperium and they're too busy making tanks for everyone else to really have an armoured lineup
gone all in on skirmishing cowboys from mars. Which I love too don't get me wrong but like
glossy vapor
It's important to remember that astartes, especially the traitor legions have on...
was abbadons veneration of horus ultimately due to horus's martial might and the respect he demanded, and the glory abbadon recieved serving under him, or did he have some mutual principles he shared in common with horus? I ask because everything ive heard of abbadon paints him as a complete manipulative egotistical sociopath, and that doesent sound like the type of person who would have gotten far in the luna wolves and would be the type of soldier horus would have loathed at that time.
bright dove
His bartending skills helped cover that up obviously
floral herald
Did/does abbadon have any people he cares for other than horus? I can't find Any...
Abaddon seems real close with the Ezekarion and the Chosen of Abaddon
The Ezekarion in particular are described as "sworn brothers" (which is kind of funny as Moriana and Ceraxia are members)
thin ibex
@jaunty dawn
jaunty dawn
hehe ty storm
unreal cosmos
The Ezekarion in particular are described as "sworn brothers" (which is kind of ...
Brother is a rank to the Astartes, they don't see it as gendered 🧠
pastel rampart
was abbadons veneration of horus ultimately due to horus's martial might and the...
He was one of Horus's closest advisors and was almost slavishly devoted to him, so I think Abaddon just learned a lot of that sociopathic tendencies both from Horus, and just general experience during the Heresy and centuries in the warp.
Abby was noted as being quick to anger and prideful, which wasn't exactly a negative for marines at the time and certainly not with the Sons of Horus. He's just had a lot of that tempered over the years.
floral herald
Brother is a rank to the Astartes, they don't see it as gendered 🧠
Makes sense to me
pastel rampart
He's also had time to think and figure out how much Horus failed and why, and has disowned Horus entirely. He wants to succeed where Horus failed and he's much more calculating and in control of his own actions, comparatively.
floral herald
There's some good stuff around there in the death and the end 3
thin ibex
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i kinda wish the eradication beamer has a bit more difference between modes, i like it a lot
but it feels like the neutron laser, the deadalus aa, and the onager phosphor guns have more going for em
Simple, direct, power pased
primary plan is to bulldoze the enemy in a fusillade of gunfire and ogryn smashing
i think if i re-imagine it, I could mount the mini demolisher gun and the meltas
OR i could replace all of them with 4 demolisher LR
spice flicker
Thoughts on this imperial knights list?
1990/2000
Knight Atrapos (mysterious guardian)
Knight Castigator (banner)
3x armiger helverins
4x armiger warglaives
Might make the armigers 2/5 to reach a flat 2000 points but unsure.
spice flicker
Atrapos is the one who leans more towards anti-vehicle/anti-titanic
Castigator is the one with the sword and twin linked gatling cannon
thin ibex
ahh kk
i like it, though you do got yourself a pretty hefty single target that will be fire magnet i imagine
which works out for you
cause if they hard focus the atrapos, your armigers will make a menace of themselves i think
spice flicker
Mysterious guardian does allow the atrapos to deep strike and then deep strike again afterwards if not in melee.
Castigator can also give sustaining hits and one additional AP to armigers.
Potentially AP5 thermal spears with sustained hits
spice flicker
Mostly plan on having the atrapos and castigator hunt major armored/infantry threats respectively while the armigers work on scoring points or assisting in killing when that is better.
thin ibex
i kinda like the vibe of using knights to burn down lighter threats en mass and hunting down heavies with armigers
spice flicker
Some do that well some not so much
Here are the profiles and special tricks or both of the big knights in the list.
unreal cosmos
(beams of light shooting out of my eyes) Medusa and the Gorgons, though monstrous, are also decidedly female. Ergo, the Iron Hands are butch-coded. Ergo, Ferrus Mannus and Fulgrim are toxic yuri.
thin ibex
spice flicker
Sorry my doctor said I can't afford to donate a kidney to afford a titan at the moment.
Also for questoris knights (like the warden) it's best to take the fist when you can.
soft willow
I like the list you posted for a two big list.
Atropos is really gonna have to move in which is probably okay with Mysterious Guardian.
thin ibex
Also for questoris knights (like the warden) it's best to take the fist when you...
really the thing is that the chainsword has more attacks on sweep, and thats the mode i intend to use with the set up
spice flicker
Tank shock
thin ibex
true, though i believe the full benefit might be marginal
spice flicker
A CK list I was tinkering with might also be interesting:
1x Knight Tyrant (castellan loadout) with traitors mark
1x Knight abominant with panoply of the cursed knights
1x Knight abominant
2x brigands
2x karnivores
2000/2000 points
Abominants move up the field dealing mortals and causing battleshock while the tyrant sits back and devastates that which is battleshocked.
spice flicker
Thoughts on the CK list?
spice flicker
Brigands went up in cost but are still great shooting platforms. Helps that they're mini-crusaders
naive abyss
Random brain worm happened to make totally not iron warriors loyalist ultima founding with celtic inspo lol
Thinking maybe to call them the Iron Boars. Specialized in brutal sieges
thin ibex
Does trazyn have a Detachment that might best fit his personality/ mission?
Or units who best fit?
He'd have lychguard I'm sure
Probably no triarchs
unreal cosmos
Does trazyn have a Detachment that might best fit his personality/ mission?
Hypercrypt seems fitting
past sphinx
me assembling Tzeench conhort and sorc with elmers glue to truely embody the chaos
floral herald
I like those damned legionaries
past sphinx
ya know i wonder how LoD would look with matt black and then an underlight? of yellow and orange zenithal style
like shot form the bottom
thin ibex
Hypercrypt seems fitting
Boom
rocky shale
For any Aledari players, how does this look for a casual 1k pts list of "things I have"
cinder wraith
playing CoS Greywater fastness competitive list
mental birch
thin ibex
Imagine being a tau stealthsuit team and you run into one of these
Be like
"Yo what? You got battlesuits?"
jaunty dawn
tbf tau (maybe) sold weapons to nobles on necromunda
they used personal battlesuits as part of a coming of age ceremony which basically involved larping as a ganger while using your advanced weaponry to slaughter poorer ppl
called Spyrer gangs
the way they implied this is actually pretty interesting, by the time tau came out necromunda wasn't really getting a lot of support. But the spyrer gangs had a specific name for each of their archetypes/suit variants and those names were tau-ified slightly, given definitions and included in a small glossary of tau terms in the first tau codex
for example the Orrus which was a dual fist guy became Or'es meaning powerful
past sphinx
You can straight up buy shurikin launchers and neuron flayers in the hives
Granted it's called a "sling gun"
floral herald
Anyone know what book this is from?
I’ve heard it’s the new pariah nexus crusade book
soft willow
No idea. The Kognitar is Kill Team though.
So curious if it’s in a 40k crusade book.
jaunty dawn
chaos dwarves as a vashtorr based corrupted ironkin faction?
floral herald
With chaos androids being back I can see it
pulsar cairn
do people in the imperial navy habe sea/space shanties
floral herald
definitely
pulsar cairn
nice
old turret
@twilit island it's called dark mechanicum cause what they do is considered the most blasphemous deeds to the machine god
spice flicker
Thoughts on this Vanguard onslaught list?
Malceptor+haruspex duo move up the middle to reinforce the infiltrated leapers, lictors, and genestealers that scouted. The other set of genestealers will be in strategic reserves while the raveners are placed in deep strike. Biovore and exocrine provide fire support from deployment zone.
naive abyss
valid brook
Ah yes, the Lumber Dog
naive abyss
https://fxtwitter.com/hashiondiscord/status/1756254312643072259?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qF...
I think it's from pariah nexus but but fully sure
pine matrix
https://fxtwitter.com/hashiondiscord/status/1756254312643072259?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qF...
Not the ironkin! Not the ironkin!!!!!
naive abyss
naive abyss
jaunty dawn
seems like melee warriors got a pretty big glow up in the codex tbh
remember ppl being down on them in the index at least
tyranid warriors that is
maybe ppl just jumped to conclusions then though
mostly just in terms of underestimating the power of rerolls, ap and dumping more power into their 3+ ws instead of 4+ bs
does depend on target ofc
quaint compass
They're infantry blenders, which nids don't really lack for.
Synapse and being one of the few elite infantry choices does raise their appeal.
Not gonna compete with my pinchy turtle boys though
jaunty dawn
tbf my context here is just how to run shrikes haha
quaint compass
Shrikes... 😔
jaunty dawn
so I'm taking warriors either way
more surprised that they can at all justify the increased cost after how I remember the initial assessment of them
also attractive cause I don't have to deal with the nonsense of how their heavy weapons work now xP
thin ibex
iirc melee warriors arent bad perse, but they're not doing a lot that isn't done elsewhere and their special rule isn't amazing
generally i see them as solid but not big playmakers
personally
jaunty dawn
I mean I just don't think shooty warriors are necessarily any better in that regard
and like if you're running them in vanguard with a winged prime then they effectively get both abilities
and a reroll 1s is better than nothing
especially with a 3+
and then they also give that reroll 1s to the prime whose attacks are fairly lethargic too haha
needs all the help he can get
thin ibex
I do think rr1 is relatively persuasive
I think I mostly like tabbed because it means I can fight in both ranged and melee instead of just one
jaunty dawn
66% of a +1 to hit
thin ibex
Ranged* not tabbed
jaunty dawn
which stacks with +1 to hit from strat potentially
I think partially melee is pretty difficult in general though
floral herald
Dismounted melee is usually kinda hard
bright dove
Foot-slogging is hard.
jaunty dawn
uh and if you're not feeling like infantry blending is necessary I feel like shooty warriors can't really do anything else? especially since one of their big things is 2/3 weapons having blast
bright dove
This is coming from the former Khornate player.
jaunty dawn
while rerolling wounds and the better ap does punch up a bit better
in vanguard they get advance and charge from prime at least
rr1s makes sustained hits slightly better too
desert jay
That's the "if you go down to 25% of your army, you pack up your toys and go home" rule, isn't it?
bright dove
It is indeed.
floral herald
That's the "if you go down to 25% of your army, you pack up your toys and go hom...
And it was by model count so you basically had to run a shitload of warriors to avoid being tabled
very stupid rule
pastel rampart
https://anvilindustry.co.uk/clearance Anvil is doing a clearance sale for anyone looking to pick up some 40k-ish bitz.
unreal cosmos
:o
jaunty dawn
picked up what daughters characters hadn't already sold out haha
pastel rampart
I hope the daughters line gets a digital release.
unreal cosmos
the daughters actually look like fantastic Solar Auxilia proxies
thin ibex
Man I've been playing helldivers 2, and on harder difficulties, a bile titan mission has all the elements of a Tyranid battle
Shit is wild
jaunty dawn
kinda interested to see how well the parts scale up to modern sisters size if they do go digital
cause thats like the main thing stopping me doing even more of them haha
pastel rampart
Do they not scale with each other?
jaunty dawn
the anvil industry stuff is all pretty short compared to modern gw minis
like the only thing abt the same size I have is van saar
cause they're also very short
pastel rampart
Ah, probably closer to GW scale from like...a decade ago then.
jaunty dawn
it's just like actually 28mm whereas gw has moved away from heroic proportions by increasing scale
so that the oversized heads etc become normal sized heads
ye exactly
pastel rampart
I guess if they go digital it'd be easier to scale them to modern SoB since you can adjust them as you like. Within reason anyway.
jaunty dawn
yeah :)
pastel rampart
Tho I like Anvil's scale as-is, personally.
white mural
quaint compass
Yeah
cloud flicker
Man I've been playing helldivers 2, and on harder difficulties, a bile titan mi...
Ikr?
white mural
is Vlad part of the polycule
😉
tired cairn
What are they towing?
jaunty dawn
fuel!
tired cairn
Seems precarious lol
jaunty dawn
based on the curchill crocodile basically
tbf part of the reason is so you don't have a bunch of fuel in the hull
if it goes up you're in an armoured vehicle
in real life it was an armoured trailer with like sloped plates n stuff not a big barrel too
pulsar cairn
wha
tired cairn
Oh, company of heroes lied to me about the crocodile
jaunty dawn
kinda interested to see how the cyclops works
does feel like it's one of those things that makes a lot more sense on epic scale
oh also I don't think the combi flamer was previewed before
tired cairn
Does not-epic have rules for building destruction?
junior robin
also like that they describe one of the head varianats as "helmeted"
jaunty dawn
wonder if a plasma will be there and the edition we get more combi weapons in kits is the one they lose rules lol
jaunty dawn
Does not-epic have rules for building destruction?
yup
garrisonable buildings become ruined instead and everything inside takes a hit
occupying buildings is also really powerful and desirable so there's a reason to spec into it
but stuff like demolisher cannnons do it
naive abyss
somewhat random but is it weird to anyone else we dont have a sigmar model for aos?
pastel rampart
A bit weird but there's not a lot of gods taking the field in AoS.
There's what, two I think?
naive abyss
three because im inclined to count archaon for chaos lol
or well four
cuz morathis a god now
which ironically means per capita theres more elf gods with models than anyone else lol
i just thought sigmar getting a model as like him being a big active element in the dawnbringer crusades would be cool
though i do get why they dont to a degree
tired cairn
Does Sigmar do stuff on the front lines lore wise?
naive abyss
hes use to at the very least
like its super unclear what he does atm lol
also random but i wonder how viable it is to give yndrasta bastians hammer
tired cairn
Probably administration lol
naive abyss
i sorta doubt that lol
like sigmar is not well suited to that and like everytime he could hand off a thing he first did himself, like making stormcast, he did lol
i think its just gw is sorta trying to circle around putting the settings namesake on the field as a model lol
which i do get ultimately
though honestly bastian sorta fills the visual vibe i imagine sigmar would in aos
i think i sorta just want like black fire pass sigmar
like this sorta energy
but this is also me thinking it wouldve been cool to get a game in the time of legends
bright dove
SKINKS SKINKS SKINKS!
jaunty dawn
sigmar has like. mellowed somewhat
partially cause when he tried leading from the front, everything went to shit and chaos took over everything but azyr, I imagine
but thats what the celestant prime is for
tepid stratus
Yeah Sigmar acknowledged that he kinda goes berserker rage when he fights and it cost him ghal maraz for a while because Archaon learned to abuse it. Now Sigmar coordinates from azyr so he can take a kind of detached approach and not get too caught up in the battle to win the war
tired cairn
like sigmar is not well suited to that and like everytime he could hand off a th...
I assume there are some things only he can do. Does he have to hand pick people to become storm casts?
Sigmar as someone promoted to their level or incompetence would be funny >.>
tepid stratus
Sigmar does or at least is implied to still be directly involved in the "recruitment" of souls into the stormcast
Like we do know at least some of the stuff he does can also be done by stormcast he's trained to carry out those duties like creating soulbindings
tired cairn
Do stormcast ever attrit out? Or should their numbers hypothetically be strictly increasing?
tepid stratus
Yeah there's a few ways they lose numbers. The most obvious is losing their humanity from too many reforgings and becoming a lightning gheist. But Nagash has created some magic items and curses mainly used by the nighthaunt to capture their souls, chaos warshrines also suck their souls into the warp when they try to escape and the cursed storms created by belakor trap the souls of any stormcast that die under them that aren't wearing thunder strike armour
Basically anything that can trap a soul stops a stormcast from returning
naive abyss
Yeah there's a few ways they lose numbers. The most obvious is losing their huma...
is it the warp in aos? i swear ive seen it referred to as the realms of chaos/magic like in oldhammer for aos
thin ibex
didnt sigmar lose ghal for a long ass time cause he hurled it into another realm
tepid stratus
is it the warp in aos? i swear ive seen it referred to as the realms of chaos/ma...
Well when the fixed locations and overall mechanics are the same
tepid stratus
didnt sigmar lose ghal for a long ass time cause he hurled it into another realm
Yeah Archaon tricked him into throwing it at him by creating an illusion of himself around a portal of I remember correctly
naive abyss
i mean the realms of magic work pretty different to the warp imo
tepid stratus
The realm of chaos exists outside the mortal/magic realms. Functionally it's the space between the realms
bright dove
Nagash does get a little bit of soul every time a Stormcast dies, iirc.
pine matrix
Ooo this is gonna be perfect for my lugft conversion
Oh wait, are the terminators Primaris or not?
jaunty dawn
yes
naive abyss
The realm of chaos exists outside the mortal/magic realms. Functionally it's the...
oh so it is different to oldhammer
jaunty dawn
as in both
haha
they're primaris scale
bigger than chaos terminators or heresy ones
but they have don't have any new design features other than scale
lore wise primaris can just use terminator armour or firstborn now use little stilts to be the same size as the others or something idk
naive abyss
oh so it is different to oldhammer
to clarify in oldhammer all magic comes from the realm of chaos
pine matrix
they're primaris scale
Oh, that's alright then! I'm mostly concerned about scaling, but as long as he'd look suitably big
cloud flicker
@thin ibex
It's astounding how well this game executes the feeling of being a mook.
Fight bots
Fight bugs
You are but a cog
upper canopy
Yeah there's a few ways they lose numbers. The most obvious is losing their huma...
Also ogres can eat them
white mural
Is helldivers good?
cloud flicker
Is helldivers good?
Yes but.
The theming is great
The moment to moment gameplay feels great
This game is as my friends have put it "a better Terminator game than the Terminator game, and a better Starship Trooper game than the Starship Trooper game."
It is certainly the best Imperial Guard shooter out there.
It has some issues with the enemies.
The progression feels... weird.
Overall it is defintely a game to play with buddies.
white mural
Me and the homies been playing a lot of deep rock