Warhammer and Such

[jaunty dawn]

cause they have a lot more variety in clothing

[naive abyss]

theyre a little better

but im never gonna be into battle bikinis lol

like id sorta be into this being a berserker unit of chaff and the main infantry being the armored lamias

but the main infantry are just this without the cool death masks lol

[jaunty dawn]

even just the trousers instead of metal thongs is a big improvement haha

[naive abyss]

so i just randomly saw this

and man this looks way better than most infantry in the daughters range

[jaunty dawn]

thats who I mean

right!

[naive abyss]

ah i thought you mean tthe blade coven lol

[jaunty dawn]

nah fair

[naive abyss]

but yeah litearlly giving them pants helps allot

[dense sedge]

I like the loincloths, it’s just my solution to the sleepiness is to add men to the sexualized pile

[jaunty dawn]

I converted one of the blade coven into a shadowstalker and I just painted her as if she had pants dvdhfv

[naive abyss]

i dont mind all sexy adjacent attired amazonian elf faction

just battle bikinis are visually boring as fuck

and suffer from the same issues as the main range of fyreslayers imo

[brittle salmon]

Is this ||Horus v Emps?||

[floral herald]

Yes

[brittle salmon]

Incredible

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-duel-come-at-me-bro-gif-11722651

[upper canopy]

So wait like

is this metaphorical

or did they actually play a card game

[floral herald]

||They’re actually whipping out Imperial and Empyreal Tarot decks||

[upper canopy]

what the fuck

[floral herald]

Can’t believe Horus ||plays Chaos Control||

[dense sedge]

I think these girls are painted to have pants rather than sculpted, you could make them pant less with a skin paint, they’ve just moved away from that on official art

[jaunty dawn]

its hard to tell without a 360

[floral herald]

It starts like this after ||they fight 1000 parallel psychic battles in semi-allegorical spaces||

I swear this goes hard as fuck as a totality it just seems kind of ridiculous in excerpt

[jaunty dawn]

this is correct actually yeah

they still have metal thongs

wild

just less extreme from the front

from sprues and brews vid

still a pretty big improvement overall though

comparing them

[floral herald]

Need an edit for this

[naive abyss]

lol

[dense sedge]

I’m not huge on the daughter’s whole ‘men are slaves’ thing either

[naive abyss]

valid. i dont mind it cuz they are very obviously like amazonian elves blood edition to me lol

[naive abyss]

i love how this implies that the painter also didnt vibe with the battle bikinis lol

but yeah fair enough a paint job can at least sorta solve that issue it seems

[floral herald]

Lmao

[naive abyss]

not perfect but have my somewhat lazy attempt

[dense sedge]

Isn’t there a tts where the emperor beats tzeentch at yu gi oh

[naive abyss]

thats kitten but yes

[dense sedge]

I just like the idea of blood soaked kingdom death pinup murder cultists, the army

[naive abyss]

fair

the core idea and like even the execution of some of the models for daughters im really into

[dense sedge]

I’ve always liked the wych elves

[naive abyss]

but overall i end up with the feeling of im looking at my least fave model from delves being made into a whole faction lol

which is frustrating cuz i love deldar wyches

they look good and not just boring ass battle bikinis tm

[dense sedge]

I’m meh on the current deldar wyches

Especially a lot of the hair options

[naive abyss]

im that way with witches in fantasy

i conceptually like them but they just end up looking like eighties pinup in the worst sorta way for me

especially with how much they stick on in the rest of the delf range imo lol

[dense sedge]

I wish we had more smooth long hair

There’s an official art piece from a rule book of them I love but I can’t find it

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/2/23/Warhammer_High_Elves_Sundering.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20161105090156

There’s another one I’m looking for

[upper canopy]

This is from the Great War Against Chaos

[dense sedge]

Here it is

She could use some e more muscle on them bones though

I just like the old sword and sorcery loincloth look tbh

[naive abyss]

i like it in the right sort of context and usually i just prefer tits out on both sides over like a bikini

[jaunty dawn]

kinda funny how this is described as dense terrain

compared to like the leviathan suggested layouts nowadays

[floral herald]

That’s about as much terrain as a normal game board would have at the time but with 2 feel lopped off the board

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[floral herald]

https://frontlinegaming.org/2020/01/11/lvo-40k-champs-announcement/

Actually is this normal?

That’s less terrain than I expected for LVO

Nvm old post

[tired cairn]

The LVO is a bit weird in that it allows (fully iirc) player-placed terrain

[dense sedge]

Warhammer has completely moved away from bare breasts to appeal to a wider age demographic

Can’t have little Timmy painting nude nipples

[floral herald]

I’ve never been a big fan of that - preset tables for life

[tired cairn]

I conceptually like it, particularly the variant which puts a particular ruin in the center (which for some reason is Canadian lol)

[jaunty dawn]

sylvaneth dont have nipples but they are 100% titty out lol

[dense sedge]

The nipple changes a lot

[tired cairn]

Tumblr taught me that it doesn't count unless there is a female presenting nipple

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[tired cairn]

I'm feeling really dumb that I can't find the FLG terrain guidelines lol

[jaunty dawn]

but also like compared to the many sports bras of the 41st millenium it is a whole boob

[floral herald]

Maybe im missing something, why would there be a particular ruin in the center with player placed terrain?

[tired cairn]

It's the center ruin is defined and then the players place the rest

[floral herald]

Oh ok

[thin ibex]

centurions are decently imperial fists vibed yeah?

feel like making some anvil siege force lists

i figure actually that heavy bolter spam on devastators might actually work for anvil siege forcec somewhat

gunning for wounding most things on 4's and 5's with raw volume fire

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

siege type thing. hurricane bolters and heavy bolters

these cris suits are wild

[bright dove]

Ahhhh, someone is enjoying Cities of Death.

And ye, they are.

There are some fun as hell conversions in CoD

[past sphinx]

best cadian color scheme comes from CoD iirc

[jaunty dawn]

its pretty neat. feels like zone mortalis combined with stratagems would be really cool

[past sphinx]

look at this lad

[bright dove]

The stratagems did make me quite happy.

[past sphinx]

hes seen horrors he cannot understand

[bright dove]

And ye, snazzy as hell.

[past sphinx]

but hes got great pants

[uneven ember]

I feel like horrors you can't understand in 40K is a very "yeah the Time Knife" kind of deal

[past sphinx]

well if the horrors are beyond your comprehension what the fuck are they gonna do to you

i know for sure im way to dumb to be effected by grand cosmic designs laid bare before me

[tired cairn]

Incomprehensible things

[past sphinx]

possibly

but i can only be bothered by the comprehenible things

[runic swallow]

I love that that’s an actual mechanic in Call of Cthulhu

[floral herald]

In a really alarmingly large number of cases they’re gonna bite you

[runic swallow]

If you fail your sanity check but also fail your intelligence check, you just think you saw a fucked up dog with mange rather than a Hound of Tindalos or whatever

[past sphinx]

This can also be solved by a salvo of 12 gauge

love CoC but man the list of solutions is short

[jaunty dawn]

Oh hey this is exactly what the original boarding assault mission from badab war pre zone mortalis did

[bright dove]

And that's the best case

[floral herald]

I think Cities of Death may also have been the initial appearance of Strategems in 40k

[bright dove]

It was!

[thin ibex]

Big bolter shooting time! Though with how gun line I went with this, probably should have brought whirlwinds

Eliminators with Las fusils led by phobos librarians seem really potent, as do Apothecary hellblasters

[floral herald]

Huh Anvil las fusil is an interesting thing I hadn't thought about

[thin ibex]

Effectively guaranteed wounding on 4+s, can't be shot back if the librarian is with em. Can access rr1's from a dread

[solemn gull]

The age old chainmetal bikini my beloathed

Everyone should wear a gambison

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/drilbot_nono/status/1750728880254841078?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[runic swallow]

Then you get to fight forever, since war is hell

[ebon forge]

Don't forget the cleavage robe

[ebon forge]

The End and the Death: Volume III is out, has anyone read it?

[thin ibex]

Yeah I think Cyan has

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/BenAlame/status/1751751431009272118

https://vxtwitter.com/BenAlame/status/1751751631429853298

[jaunty dawn]

ooooh

want

[pastel rampart]

Saaame

I wanna say those are 6 separate pieces about 6"x6"?

[pine matrix]

Now I am aware I could commission terrain...

[pastel rampart]

Though hm, they could also be 3 pieces that're each 6"x12".

https://vxtwitter.com/BenAlame/status/1347215030845116416

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/VoicesByZane/status/1751616584576090575

[jaunty dawn]

thinking about xv4s and ghostkeel sized hazards again

[thin ibex]

??

[jaunty dawn]

xv46s are a tau battlesuit from the deathwatch rpg for boarding actions, which would be in between stealth suits and crisis suits in size. and the other thought is that ghostkeels are based on elements from the original xv9 hazard suits which are afaik barely bigger than a crisis suit despite the fact they should be around the same size as a ghostkeel really

that's kinda a word salad I just think it would be neat to redesign xv9s on the same scale as a ghostkeel

ooh. maybe they could also bring back heavy gun drones and give them a similar size to the stealth drone

[thin ibex]

a heavy gun drone that has a "shoot at a dude that shot at your dude" rule like the ATV might be neat

[bright dove]

Mmmm, heavy gun drones

[thin ibex]

i wonder what a hazard suit's niche might be in the tau list

[jaunty dawn]

they come with exploratory drones that are based on the old technical drones

[thin ibex]

you know, reading the lexicanum entry on hazards

theres a significant degree of overlap with the riptide

At its core, the XV9 is a short-range close combat weapons platform, its reinforced chassis being much larger than any other Battlesuit design and using experimental technology to pack enormously-powerful weapons powered by a compact energy core.[1] This loadout, besides going against typical Tau military doctrines, also requires a substantial expenditure of resources to produce. Traditionalist elements of the Ethereal and Earth Caste have argued that that these costs would be better used building more tried and true weapons, however those Fire Caste members who use it, especially members of the Ke'lshan Sept, swear by its ability to fulfill the counter-attack role.[1]

Because of the sophisticated nature of the XV9's controls, only Shas'vre with years of experience piloting Crisis Battlesuits are assigned to pilot the 'Hazard' armour.[1] They will typically operate in teams of one to three, including a team leader.Three of these teams will often operate as part of a Swift Protector Wing to perform dangerous battlefield duties.[1]

[ebon forge]

plz context

[upper canopy]

Skaven invaded Lustria so Tehenuin came out of the jungle and said "I'm going to invent a God that will defeat them" and then sacrificed probably hundreds of thousands if not millions of Skaven to birth Sotek

[ebon forge]

.
What the fuck

AoS or Fantasy?

[upper canopy]

Fantasy

[ebon forge]

That's metal af

man i hope AoS expand on the Seraphon and make them that cool

[thin ibex]

maybe an XV9 could be a sort of wombo fusion of crisis and broadside

with weapons that hit harder, are twin linked, but lack shot count

nothing like str 13 or 14, to keep the broadside niche, but str 10, maybe 12

[naive abyss]

In fairness that is part of the seraphon canon

[ebon forge]

Good

I heard we even have Seraphons with personalities now, that aren't lord Croak

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/29/warhammer-events-miniatures-announced-for-2024/ ooo these are both sick

[ebon forge]

Woah, nice

[naive abyss]

I like the crow Knight

@untold swallow

[thin ibex]

hmm, I wonder if Hazards could also work with some sort of special interaction with being spotted for

i want XV4's to have heftier flechette pods like those mounted on the yvara and shadowsun

as dedicated close range/cqc weapons

[untold swallow]

not my fave, but it's cool

Tho that may just be the pictures

the rear shot just makes me think too much of the fact the metal crow feather skirt leaves the poor guy's ass unprotected

I just noticed it has mail in the front between the bits of crow feathers

Just make the mail go around!

[pastel rampart]

They show off his butt and don't bother to give him cake.

[untold swallow]

F

[thin ibex]

Reminds me of a monster hunter character from mhw

[untold swallow]

I applaud it for being a knight with Weird Shapes ™️

and for having a warpick

[upper canopy]

Rathian armor set

[thin ibex]

That's the one

Was specifically thinking of the hunter in that set for the mhw story

[naive abyss]

In fairness that is a style of armoring

[upper canopy]

There is no one in that armor set, you're thinking of the Huntsman who has the old Blademaster set

[unreal cosmos]

I really like the approach of doing remixed models as exclusives, these are both very distinct

[floral herald]

I’m sure it has a real name of some type but assless plate is a thing yeah

For riding horses

[naive abyss]

It also just is a bit easier to move in lol

[bright dove]

Ideally, your opponent never has access to your ass in the first place

[naive abyss]

That too

It's also not like a vital area

So it's a question of the knights priorities

This one seems to be going for more movement which makes sense considering the theme lol

[bright dove]

Yup

[thin ibex]

yeah you're right, this is what I'd been thinking of

as a note also, for armor design, that there isn't heavy plate around the ass doesn't mean it's not protected

just less protected

[untold swallow]

fair

I'm not that knowledgeable about armor above like

jack plates lmao

[jaunty dawn]

yeah they kinda need an overall redesign

I think the hit and run, grenade dischargers element can stay

heroic intervention maybe? with 'pistol' weapons

but their original lore talking about being the biggest suit when they're smaller than all xv8s except crisis team and lore wise I think ghostkeels were already in development is super outdated

[thin ibex]

for sure

maybe they could like

join hazards and xv4's into the same suit

but the nagain

you don't want BIGGER stuff for boarding

so maybe not

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

I think xv4 should be tough

[naive abyss]

I know

[thin ibex]

xv4's with like "ignores cover" maybe shield gens but no stealth, and arm mounted flechette cannons might be cool, with like 1 fusion per 3

[untold swallow]

?

[thin ibex]

and max size of 6 per squad

[untold swallow]

What's that supposed to mean lol

[naive abyss]

I know you don't know much about armor lol

[untold swallow]

fair lol

[naive abyss]

I am what we in the business call "teasing you"

[thin ibex]

what id be unsure of is what the XV4's special rule would be

maybe like aggressors or soemthing simple like that

bonus AP for targeting closes targets

Would be cool for flechette guns to have melta 2 or something, as a 1 damge weapon

[jaunty dawn]

I'd give them void armour

3+ save with -1 to ap

which doesn't leave room for a different special rule but 🤷‍♀️

but I guess their drone could do something funky and have a wargear effect

I do like the idea of flechette guns for a boarding suit

[thin ibex]

i just think itd be cool to see the melta rule pop up in weirder places rather than effectively only on weapons with a D6 damage profile

like a flamer with melta 1 would be neat

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

flamer :)

this lore from their apocalypse formation is pretty good codification of their role I think

if I was wishlisting maybe a like

heroic intervention from reserves, can fall back into reserves?

or can go back into reserves if they succeed in taking out what they intervened

[thin ibex]

oh that would be pretty neat

also kelshan is FW's pet sept?

[jaunty dawn]

I would assuuume so

at least for the releases from that era

most of it's just in t'au desert camo

I think if I was redesigning xv15s I would take a lot of influence from the cadre fireblade armour to greeble it up

especially the chestplate

[thin ibex]

Decided to be silly

big suits only list

not the biggest suits

but big suits all the same

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/29/warhammer-events-miniatures-announced-for-2024/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_29th_January_Events_Model_&utm_content=&utm_term=

oh no

these are both so cool

idk what events I could even make it to

[junior robin]

thats one strange looking raven guard primaris lieutenant 🤔 /j

[still warren]

Daughters of Khaine just got a crow unit as well, wonder if this means CoS is going back to having mixed armies that don't kneecap you

[jaunty dawn]

huh???

[pastel rampart]

Consider: kitbash them together.

[thin ibex]

incidentally this feels kinda cool as like a full mecha force lol

[junior robin]

guess its this one?

[jaunty dawn]

that's not what I'm cofused about lol

[thin ibex]

now THAT is a weird ravenguard primaris lieutenant

[still warren]

Yeah that one, the two models share the same crow theme so I wondered if CoS is getting rules that benefit from going with multiple races in your army

[junior robin]

took a closer look at the article and I think its just a coincident, the knight is an animal since the other options of the arch-knight are animal themes ( bear and fish)

[bright dove]

The point costs for CoS already makes it seem easy enough to multi-race. Might be missing things for Grand Strats admittedly

[dense sedge]

I quite like kreuthesa

[unreal cosmos]

The Most Masculine Raven Guard /j

[jaunty dawn]

as someone who was kinda distraught in this very chat abt the new cos when it released with time I've realised very little has actually change on that front

they just got rid of all the non anvilgard-y elves

and pretty much all the non freeguild humans

so if they'd kept the subfactions there would still just be basically the same. i guess darkling covens/order serpentis/scourge privateers would be seperate still

but like mourge says you have plenty of points to bring heroes to give orders to units you bring, regardless of kind

there isn't a specific benefit to doing so but nor was there previously

and then there's the thing that like. it's all lore anyway and there's nothing stopping you proxying fusiliers for sisters of the watch and a fusil major for a nomad prince

I just hope we eventually get mixed units

[upper canopy]

didn't they specifically do like

"If you wanna use your old units as the new units, here's a good way to replace their stats"

[jaunty dawn]

kinda

they were pretty much like "why do we need three different elf with two handed blade profiles"

[still warren]

A lot of the stuff did get squatted like all the artillery which is now just a single cannon model

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

demigryphs going is a shame

since they could've be redone on gryph chargers

ppl have done very cool conversions to the effect

they also got rid of all of wood elves/wanderers and now I have to wait for them to come out in old world to get the models lol

[junior robin]

I know its hoping for to much but imagine if we got classic slayers in plastic 👀

though no big loss if we dont get that since the metal command squad is

[spice flicker]

So I heard about what happened in the final siege of terra book. Idk how I feel about it tbh but it will be sad to see the end of one era and moving on to the next.

[pine matrix]

Cannot wait for Horus Heresy 2: The Scouring

[pulsar cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/311286178177351680/914871728730148884/VicksyHappy.gif

[lime gulch]

Ho there

So this is a wild and weird stab in the dark but does anyone know about pricing out Warhammer Models/a warhammer wargaming discord?
My grandfather passed in oct and I am in charge of digging out his gaming stuff and figuring out what needs sold vs what can be donated/inherited. I have some 1995 space wolves I have no easy way to know the price of these days

[upper canopy]

I'm sorry for your loss

Unfortunately I don't really touch the pricing of models and stuff

[soft willow]

Are you looking to get full value? Or just get a fair deal without too much hassle?

[lime gulch]

For this army specifically, looking to inherit without unkowingly taking a grand away from my gma. Thats her main concern.

But I have what I beleive are some wood elves for warhammer classic sitting about I would be looking to sell in bulk probaly, low hassle

[upper canopy]

Actually I'll ask around and see if like, Snipe and Wib might know the price or even want those models

Pros of having a bunch of Warhammer youtuber associates

[lime gulch]

(Just cause we are about $25k in magic card valuation cause of his alpha/beta sets so its like a thing we have to look out for)

[desert jay]

Oh wow

[soft willow]

Noble Knight Games is a good place to sell things if you just want to bulk move something easy. They'll lowball you at first, but you can negotiate up.

At first glance I don't see anything super expensive except maybe the BFG ships.

[lime gulch]

Do the ships go for alot?

[soft willow]

They've been out of print for like 20 years, if they're in good condition that's probably a couple hundred? It's been a while since I priced them out.

[lime gulch]

Ah i see, that makes sense

[upper canopy]

would you mind if I posted these photos if people ask?

[lime gulch]

Yeah please do

I have location data disabled on my camera so they are exif clean i beleive

[solemn gull]

These look dope

[floral herald]

The book is real good imo

It’s sort of weird feeling because it is the end of such a big series though

[lime gulch]

Just for clarities sake
I would want to keep but know the price for:
Bjorn the fell handed
The die-cast metal space wolves
The dreadnaught
and the die-cast metal Iron Priest.

Everything else I would be open to selling depending on price, including those ships.

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/knjpopper-kanye-beg-gif-20434780

also i forget in regards to even models do they only ever make the available at events?

i couldve sworn they do limited window online orders for them too or maybe thats me mixing them up with another one of their limited run model types lol

[soft willow]

Bjorn seems to run anywhere from 60-100, The Iron Priest is around 20.

Not finding much on the others, but I think that's more because I'm not searching the right things.

That Ragnar Blackmane in that box might be worth over a hundred.

Since that blister is early 90's old it has some collector value even as beat up as it looks.

[lime gulch]

Any idea what place you could even auction such a thing?

[thin ibex]

only places i can think of generally is on Ebay, as many 40k hobbyists peruse it frequently

[lime gulch]

I mean that's perfect

[soft willow]

Ebay, or selling to second hand shops like Noble Knight are the best ways to go.

Lots of other smaller marketplaces for these things too.

[long void]

I was just thinking about how miniatures don't get the speculation prices like card games.

I figure it's from most of the interest being in historical value

[floral herald]

Proxies and kitbashing is also waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more normalized

[soft willow]

Sometimes they pop up, but it's nothing like card games.

There's also just far less demand.

[naive abyss]

in fairnes im not sure how proxying would work outside of like doing a bootleg print of a card

and i have like no idea how kitbashing a card would work lol

[floral herald]

mtg casuals will have card proxies sometimes, either just has a direct counts as or printed versions

I don't think you can meaningfully kitbash cards yeah

[desert jay]

Sometimes card proxies are "a land with Black Lotus written on it in marker"

[naive abyss]

lol

[soft willow]

I mean people do custom art on cards, and that's kinda the kitbashing thing.

[floral herald]

Oh yeah that's a reasonable equivalent

[naive abyss]

fair yeah

[soft willow]

Yeah not exactly the same idea but I think closest analogy for sure.

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[tired cairn]

Just carefully glue together other cards to get the correct wording and similar artwork

[floral herald]

perfect

[thin ibex]

You know the Repulsor having a back facing storm bolter feels a ww2

Repulsor Executioner I mean

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RywAdX

[upper canopy]

Hey quick question

do you want the estimate in USD or Pounds

[lime gulch]

I was really excited to find out that I could actually just still play this army.
Compare that to Mtg stuff where like this $1500 card isn't even tournament legal.

[lime gulch]

Usd

[upper canopy]

danke

[upper canopy]

@lime gulch Metal dreadnought-$35 (If that's actually Bjorn you could bump that up to like 50 bucks)

Incomplete Land Speeder-$10

3 Incomplete bikes-$5

15 tacticals (incomplete-$25

5 metal wolfguard terminators-$50

5 metal terminators-$30

9 grots-$10

Imperial Navy Army-$75

Is the estimate I got

[rocky shale]

40k doesn't have an mtg-level secondary market price nonsense largely because GW just sells you things directly without random booster packs. The only reason to buy old models is if you like how they look vs newer versions of the same thing.

[naive abyss]

well some models also had limited runs

or you liked fantasy lol

[rocky shale]

Yeah there's some exceptions

But in terms of game functionality there are very few things you can't just buy from GW that still have rules

Except drukhari who can't buy half thier range whoopsie

[jaunty dawn]

yeah it makes the rare exceptions incredibly infuriating

like how they didn't sell the master of possession for like a year

or like half the nighthaunt heroes after aos 3 came out for a really long time

it's also a thing that like, there's a very different culture to selling models than selling cards I think

a lot easier to proxy a block of text than a 3d object (until relatively recently)

[lime gulch]

That's something that's come up with resale is that with both inflated price and with the fact that it's essentially just card stock you have to get cards graded so that adds a whole new pain in the butt and like what's worth getting graded what's worth just skipping that and selling at a reduced cost

It's nice that the models are just models and if you want those models here they are

[lime gulch]

Tytytyty!!

[upper canopy]

np np

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW7RV5U9Kko

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1751975246033260844

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/1adga3s/reworked_my_hearthguard_a_little/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/1ae1wz0/closeups_ûnnvyr_the_stern/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/1aduqu7/a_selection_of_my_growing_league/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/1adsj54/ûnnvyr_the_stern_einhyr_champion/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[crisp lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1752129248846823933

[jaunty dawn]

reading oldhammer stuff and found an interesting take from a similar era that contrasts it in a kinda amusing way

so this is warwick kinrade in the foreword of imperial armour apocalypse

just kinda funny to me that the stillman thing gets touted a lot as a return to proper wargaming before the competetive people got to it and then this is just like lol you tournament/pug playing casual

ultimately both are kinda dumb to an extent

[naive abyss]

random and to maybe interupt a bit but man im again struck by how much better some of the lov models im kinda sometimes eh with look with the right paintjobs

also the leaves on the wheels is a great touch

[jaunty dawn]

they're like

extremely not eavy metal friendly haha

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

[jaunty dawn]

a bunch of panels with no shading and extremely stark edge highlighting does not make the models look good

[naive abyss]

just griming them up and giving them more fun colors instantly makes them look way better

it doesnt help that the thurian colors are kinda boring imo

also ive never seen a range like come to life more with a bit of like grime painted on like the lov range does

[unreal cosmos]

that's really fantastic weathering

or dirtying, rather lol

[naive abyss]

cuz grime works so well on how so many of their pieces of armor look and etc

[jaunty dawn]

I think the grime also like. it grounds it in the setting

[naive abyss]

def

[jaunty dawn]

they have a relatively clean scifi aesthetic but theyre not in a clean universe. the mud sticks to ya

[desert jay]

I think they’re a fine baseline but also I liked tan Tau

[naive abyss]

ironically to me the old tau were always like orange in my head

and i liked that color scheme fine wit tau

i do personally prefer the viorla colors but like i wont hate on the og ones either

[desert jay]

Tan and orange are mostly a difference of saturation, it def depended on the artist and lighting and etc

[naive abyss]

to me the tau colors look good even from gw

like thurian colors can look good but they dont look good from gw imo

especially with the hek and sag

also im absolutely gonna try to source some hek lights for any sagitaurs i get

cuz i really prefe rit with the lights

[jaunty dawn]

love the aperture on that. and the orange makes it look like a classic lego space model in the best way

[naive abyss]

for my leagues heks im probably gonna do something similar to this lol

[unreal cosmos]

I have, like

weird mixed feelings about putting pigments and such on wheels

[naive abyss]

i love putting texture stuff on wheels ngl lol

[unreal cosmos]

like this is a very good reason to do it but there's also like, a very posh little boy in my head going "YOU'VE RUINED IT, MY PRECIOUS TOY IS DIRTY"

[naive abyss]

fair

for me since i see them less as toys and more as mini dioramas you can move around i love it

i even like the idea of putting them on a cool base

[jaunty dawn]

I think I have similar voice in my head about never basing my minis properly even though when I do do it even if its simple I find it very satisfying

also satisfying is covering an apothecary in blood

[unreal cosmos]

there's a weird mental battle between "it's cool and aesthetically satisfying to place your minis in a specific context" and "your minis need to make sense in whatever battle you put them in"

[jaunty dawn]

blood for the blood god is a very cool paint

oh yeah I get that

[naive abyss]

i get that but to me personally ive have little of the latter in my head

i base and etc my minis in their own fluff

everything else i do with them is hammerspace mvc rules

[unreal cosmos]

like I got stuck a while ago thinking "wait... do I build my minis as if they're in the middle of a battle or just about to begin one?"

[jaunty dawn]

like part of me is like the base is just a piece of plastic that exists to keep the model up and decorating it just draws attention to it

[unreal cosmos]

"does this enemy corpse look fitting when they're lined up at Round 0?"

[naive abyss]

but ill also grant my view on this is very much influenced by me being a hobbyist first

[jaunty dawn]

but then it just looks so good when you do base things and get a nice clean rim :T

[naive abyss]

a good base can really elevate a model imo

[unreal cosmos]

I think the tire decoration thing might also come from the fact that pigments legitimately scare me lol, it seems like I'd have so little control and then there's paint dust all over my work station

[jaunty dawn]

that does happen

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[jaunty dawn]

and no matter how much you fix them bits will come off over time

[naive abyss]

in fairness id dont think thats a pigment paint on the snow tires either

or the leaves

like one is a type of flock and the other im pretty sure is texture paint

but allot of weathering def is pigments of some kind lol

that or washes

[jaunty dawn]

my nighthaunt are my only 100% based army, partially cause half of them have sculpted bases anyway,,, but it is very satisfying. and also nighthaunt are easy cause you just make a spooky graveyard

[naive abyss]

i plan to do my eventual haunt in a snowy muddy graveyard lol

a sorta hilarious number of my planned things are gonna have some kinda snow/ice base

cuz i just think those sorta bases kick ass

[jaunty dawn]

I also really like the bases for the triumph of saint katherine and the special superior lady. so Im working on making bases like that. kinda look like theyre on parade

or being attacked while on parade

[naive abyss]

fighting through the temple tm

[jaunty dawn]

in damaged but not yet overly ruined streets

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[jaunty dawn]

also my Plan for my tyranids

is black cotton wool on the bases

[naive abyss]

my brain has suddently been attacked by the idea "sob pride parade"

and i have no idea what to do with that thought

[jaunty dawn]

to be spore clouds

[naive abyss]

nice

with that itd be cool to like maybe stipple some really bright colors on it so it almost looks like its glowing

[jaunty dawn]

and in flagrant disregard for playability I want it to be like. if theyre in close formation they literally cover the ground

ooh

that would be awesome ye

[naive abyss]

like idk how well it would work but it in my head conceptually it sounds cool lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think Id want like a slight purple highlight to the top

but I do my nid eyes in pink so like if I could get bright dots in there

could be good. if I ever get around to it lol

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0KbvRSSPzu/

trismegistus_minis

@warhammerofficial the white dwarf team sent over this pic. This is an older mini of mine, but it’s one of the ones I’m most proud of. The spell effect and shading on the armor came out really well for where I was at the time. If you compare it to my other raven guard it was really a big jump for me.

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was pretty cool when I saw this a while back that someone else had tried using the material. they have good documentation of how they did it too

[naive abyss]

vibe

[untold swallow]

Phobos librarians are cool

[unreal cosmos]

hommina

[crisp lance]

ya know it really interests me how the league's stuff looks nothing like humanities

arent they like a human splinter faction?

[naive abyss]

well they evolved from humans

sorta

[crisp lance]

yet they look so far apart from the imperium in aesthetic

[naive abyss]

also tbh their tech looks allot similar than you might think on first glance lol

like their tech very much looks like imperial tech but better made imo

[crisp lance]

i see

[naive abyss]

like stuff like the identifiable shape of plasma, bolters, las, etc

or how the exos look like less clunky termies etc

like pretty much the only weapons the lov dont share sorta in common with the iom are ion and plasma melee

[uneven ember]

I mean I get it.
"Instantly Recognizable" is a whole Thing in their design

[naive abyss]

hm?

tbh in some ways i think its a sign of the generally good design of the lov

that they very much look unique at glance and you have to be like super deep in to properlt notice the shared dna

[uneven ember]

Oh yeah, I just mean that, like.
If you play 40K, you know what a bolter muzzle or plasma coils look like.
You can pick them out when they show up

[naive abyss]

true

though like not all plasma looks like imperial plasma

like eldar and tau have plasma but they look very different

[uneven ember]

also true

(Although! Even they have the, uh, muzzle grooves? styled in their respective motifs)

[naive abyss]

true but they are not like overtly similar

like kin plasma very much shows its dna attachment to imperial plasma

[topaz elk]

Hey so I’ve got a question for Tau in 10th edition

Do people just play Farsight unattached to Battlesuits rn?

Because while his gun is pretty good

His melee profile seems a lot better

And that seems like a bit of a waste to attack him to crisis suits then

[rocky shale]

I'm not sure farsight actually sees a lot of play. Usually its just like 3x3 crisis suits.

[topaz elk]

I mean I guess if people do run them

People try and make kinda bad stuff work all the time

[rocky shale]

Proooobably run farsight solo

[jaunty dawn]

idk

I would care more about wasteing his leader ability tbh

and you can always give his bodyguards fall back and shoot

[topaz elk]

Like after the fight?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[topaz elk]

Can crisis suits inherently fall back and shoot?

[jaunty dawn]

its one of their wargear options

battlesuit support system

[topaz elk]

Ahhh ok

Also I will say

Please GW

[rocky shale]

But they do lose a gun for it, unfortunately

[topaz elk]

Let Farsight lead Kroot when the new models come out

I want him to lead a unit with a good melee statline so fucking bad

[jaunty dawn]

crisis are 3 gun 1 support now

so its probably more like lose a shield gen or a gun

[rocky shale]

True you could drop a drone yeah

[topaz elk]

So then the flowchart would be, shoot, charge, fight, fallback next turn, repeat?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[rocky shale]

Yeah, but your opponent is gonna get to fight back after your charge and fight on the following turn

[jaunty dawn]

mhm

[topaz elk]

I mean at least they’d be fighting at a pretty weakened state

Crisis suit guns are nothing to sneeze at

[rocky shale]

If you charge something weak its fine but if you run those battlesuits into anything even remotely tough you're burning 350pts

[jaunty dawn]

still dont want to charge anything nasty you cant kill

but being in combat is relatively safe

[rocky shale]

Crisis suits are 3 attacks at 5+ to hit, oof

[jaunty dawn]

or being in the right combat

less so now that big guns never tire is a thing but yeah

[topaz elk]

Hmm, how tanky are crisis suit’s actually?

[jaunty dawn]

pretty good

[topaz elk]

I’m not familiar enough with 10th Ed to know if these stats are good to not

[rocky shale]

I could see a gimmicky squad of farsight with some 3x melta crisis suits maybe?

[jaunty dawn]

they have like 4 wounds

t5 access to a 4++

so basically a terminator with a storm shield other than the armour save

[rocky shale]

Shield gen would definitely be nice but itll eat a gun if you already need fall back and shoot

[topaz elk]

That’s nice to know

[jaunty dawn]

or technically I think they have 6 wounds if you want

[topaz elk]

How?

[jaunty dawn]

cause drones

[topaz elk]

Ah

[jaunty dawn]

shield drones are +1 wound

so you give up pulse carbines which ordinarily probably not great but +1 to wound from farsight could be interesting

probably less interesting than wounds but still

[topaz elk]

Would be kinda fun to build as tanky as possible crisis suits

[jaunty dawn]

10e nerfed fusion blaster range? rude

[topaz elk]

They hate to see Tau winning

[rocky shale]

Tanky as possible would be T5, 6W, 3+, 4++ in a squad of 3 for 180. 10pts per wound isnt terrible.

[jaunty dawn]

enforcer commander can give them -1 ap too

adds 8 wounds and 100 pts

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/rnrqkq123/status/1751939820698603549

[thin ibex]

So some things to clear up, farsight is generally used with some commonality with a big crisis squad, all kitted out with CIB, because +1 to wound is very strong with that volume of fire.

Crisis suits are not natively fall back and shoot, rather their native rule is to get a better advance. The crisis commander gives fallback and shoot, the coldstar gives all weapons assault, the Enforcer gives -1 AP on incoming attacks.

[jaunty dawn]

huh

the crisis commander gives reroll 1s

[thin ibex]

Oh yeah you're right, I'm thinking of I think one edition ago for that one

Though notably also, crisis suits can shoot in melee because they are vehicles

The most common picks for crisis leaders are the coldstar and crisis, the Enforcer is fairly niche

[jaunty dawn]

oh I did not realise they were vehicles now

[junior robin]

finally, bee marines

[desert jay]

More likely Bee Elves

[junior robin]

could be the attack hives of Legio Ignatum aka the fire wasps

[bright dove]

Weird looking Tomb King Sandstorms

[thin ibex]

Ranged attack "throw beehive"

Or "BEEEEEEES"

[floral herald]

Running out of January for this balance slate…

[jaunty dawn]

it's this week

sunday preview said so

[floral herald]

Yeah I just don’t know if it’s tomorrow or Thursday

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[naive abyss]

I continue to hope sylvaneth branch out (heh) from just bugs lol

[tired cairn]

February has an extra day this year, so January can just steal that one

[soft willow]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/dKoVkM0TCEGV9plY.pdf
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/I5QAEb5U4TUdNRGP.pdf

Turns out it was today.

Balance Dataslate and points updates above.

[jaunty dawn]

what a twist!

rules commentary was also updated

this is a full on change too iirc

[thin ibex]

oo crisis suits are more expensive

40 point increase for 6

interesting restriction

Custodes making a comeback i predict

[jaunty dawn]

seems like it might kill what few allies were taken in competitive context, since iirc they're pretty much all character models and was already kinda a tossup if they were worth points

[junior robin]

well there goes my dreams of a flamers army out the window

[jaunty dawn]

I think there was some weird confusion about how one shot weapons work with vehicles cause technically the vehicle is the firer now. guess they just didn't want to deal with at all lmao

[quaint compass]

Don't they already have the wording that the vehicle uses "that" specific weapon to fire, rather than getting a copy to fire with?

[thin ibex]

i didn't know that that one shot rule was unclear? I feel like the red text kinda contradicts things

[jaunty dawn]

they nerfed the triumph?? did people actually end up using dialogus triumph stuff???

(previously it was 'any number of')

[thin ibex]

also what one shot weapons were infantry mounted to be used through the vehicle?

[jaunty dawn]

demilition charges in gsc I think

[thin ibex]

oh was the rules reading allowing multiple volleys of the demo charges?

[dense sedge]

feels like sylvaneth

[thin ibex]

throw from in the vehicle, then throw from out of the vehicle?

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think they were no

but people were asking if you could

I believe

[thin ibex]

im sad about the space wolves sagas being 1 per battle round, instead of just stacking em as you got em; especially when there's a chance you never achieve a number of them

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah that was the possible interpretation

yeah exactly they're so hard to get

[thin ibex]

or once per turn i mean

feels lame

it was already considered a weak detach

despite that i loved its flavor

to push achievements for your army

and lol the ONLY thing to change point on tau were the crisis suits

[jaunty dawn]

I can't tell if this makes chimera a lot less interesting or makes it allow double orders

csm nerfs seem fair

first one means you can't put whatever in a nurgle land raider

which like makes sense really

profane zeal loses re-roll hits entirely, which does make undivided terminators no longer a nonbo

or less of one anyway

[tepid stratus]

My tempestor primes in Valkyries are praising the emperor with this one

[thin ibex]

double orders is pretty good tbh, though naturally limited by most units not being able to recieve more than one. Could be a way to discourage lord solar as mandatory when you can dish out a lot of orders from other places

command rod on the tempestus lets you take multiple orders right?

[floral herald]

I was expecting worse these are fair

[tepid stratus]

CSM took some understandable nerfs tbh. I saw the transport change coming a mile away

[jaunty dawn]

oh tbf the space wolves change is making it turn based instead of round based, it is a buff

[floral herald]

Def hurts CSM competitively but that’s just gonna make them viable not “wins a major every few weeks”

[tepid stratus]

But most importantly: custodes can FNP dev wounds!

[jaunty dawn]

accursed cultists don't need to be like objective holding garrison units, and their regen was wild

played them in boarding actions and my sister was like o_o

[thin ibex]

oh you're right this is true, though not much of one. I didn't even realize it'd been changed to being only 1 active at a time

[tepid stratus]

Yeah I avoided running accursed cultists specifically because of how much a feels bad they are

[jaunty dawn]

although I hope their points nerf is reversed if it shakes out the rule changes are enough

[tepid stratus]

Ironically the only unit I run in CSM that took a hit are chosen. Which is fair, they're cracked

[thin ibex]

correct me if im wrong, but it feels so... wiggly? That they had to have text added back in specific to critical effects like dev wounds for what was kind of an aeldari nerf way back. Don't get me wrong, I like that they have it back, but whew

im not surprised that inceptors and aggressors got points nerfed, they were looking like pretty big play makers

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[thin ibex]

centurion devastators are a bit surprising

but also scouts are not surprising

[jaunty dawn]

they could honestly just say "a wound where you can't take an invulnerable save" instead

[tepid stratus]

It was an unintended side effect of making dev wounds less explosive against non elite armies screwing over the most elite army in the game. It made the aeldari matchup an instant loss for custodes on a competitive level which now turns into a playable matchup

[jaunty dawn]

the world eater's attacks and damage enhancement lost its charge gimmick :T

[floral herald]

Oh my god Sword Brethren didn’t get a points nerf

[tired cairn]

That just needed to give devastating wounds, wounds a special name and it would read better I think

[floral herald]

Who on the balance team plays BT?

[quaint compass]

:[

[jaunty dawn]

if it was problematic like uhhh isn't this why they cost points now

taking out the entire like relation to the detachment theme seems dumb

the buff to daemon prince seems good though, assuming there's any 5++ units to benefit

[tired cairn]

I like the color coding (with color blindness friendly symbol) for point changes

[quaint compass]

Previously, it was a flat 4++ for any infantry in range

[jaunty dawn]

oh

riiip

[floral herald]

Ooof Dark Angels are struggling a lil with this one haha

[jaunty dawn]

I did check, but I think I forgot to do the bit where I actually read it lmao

[floral herald]

No changes to the Unforgiven detachment rule or DWK points

[tired cairn]

Oh, big point drop for the screamer killer

[tepid stratus]

Tldr world eaters had too easy a time getting in on you unless you were a particularly good player I suppose

My admech buddies are seething rn

[tired cairn]

No internal points changes due them

Did any of the codex change?

[thin ibex]

admech getting no changes is actually very surprising

i suppose if there werent major rules adjustments, points adjustments werent a huge thing

since at least on paper, they're actually not doing awful rn iirc

competetively i mean

[floral herald]

It’s not great

My guess is they don’t wanna touch new books too much?

[thin ibex]

could be yeah

[floral herald]

Like GK did climb like 11% win rate with no changes just from players getting good

[thin ibex]

i think their librarian got a point nerf because they are some scary mother truckers

3 librarians can drown individual targets in mw's

[jaunty dawn]

my 1720 point sisters collection is now 1705. I will never make it to 2000

/melodrama

[soft willow]

A couple allied Knights fixes that real quick.

[jaunty dawn]

actually if I just get another exorcist it will probably keep it's value

[tepid stratus]

Now that scions are playable again I gotta get around to figuring out how to fill that 500pt gap in my list...

A third valkyrie? A baneblade? A Dorn and some troops?

[jaunty dawn]

gotta have three valkyries

I mean they don't really do anything but

bom bombada bom bom

vulture maybe

[thin ibex]

i think my 1k tau list will need revision

but not by all that much, with the crisis suit changes

my current intent is to run my crisis suits as missile boats lead by an enforcer

ditch the shield for another missile pod

sit back and bombard stuff

rely on the -1 ap

what if a vulture with thw twin gatlings

[soft willow]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/30/metawatch-warhammer-40000-the-first-balance-dataslate-and-points-update-of-2024/

[thin ibex]

though i think the rocket racks and missiles seem like they'd be more versatile though

with str 10 shots

but the raw shot volume from those gatling guns is very attractive

[thin ibex]

My vote, of course, is gonna be the baneblade, but a dorn might be more sensible, since your airborne troops will find few opportunities to use the bb as cover

and i imagine an airborne list will very much like an injection of powerful anti tank

[jaunty dawn]

oh shit what!!!

dark eldar straight up got a new detachment haha

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s wild

[jaunty dawn]

gives ignores cover and lance on the turn you disembark

[tepid stratus]

I've got 35 scions and two command squads I suppose I could add more of them but damn are those expensive kits $ per point

[floral herald]

It’s good the current one is really… prescriptive for what you get

[thin ibex]

honestly I think you probably want some sort of long range overwatch goodyear. I think a thematic choice would be to bring a vulture maybe, or even a turn 2 like... thunderbolt or something

but also a ground pounder firing anchor might do well

for your mobile drop troops

something for you to tactically maneuver around, so to speak

[tepid stratus]

Lmao as cool as that would be that's overpriced resin that makes scion kits look cheap

[tired cairn]

Oh, you can't use those unit resurrection strategems on a battleshocked squad. Which is conceptually weird lol

[jaunty dawn]

could be like

can't send for reinforcements if the squad never told you they were overrun

I think it does make sense though just in terms of not making certain strats ignore the counter strat gameplay options that exist

[tired cairn]

Yeah it makes sense gameplay wise

[tired cairn]

The new one is incredibly transport focused. But that's probably not a problem for deldar?

[floral herald]

Probably not footslogging DE is basically not a thing ever

I went slow once it was awful
~Vect, probably

[tepid stratus]

Outside of flesh covens which where pretty popular locally here at least

[jaunty dawn]

I think also wyches and melee in general was struggling

compared to dark lance spam

[tired cairn]

Literally one enhancement and one strat don't care about transports lol

One CP to essentially give your transport assault ramps seems pretty good though

[thin ibex]

goodyear

should totally

get ratlings

totally

[tepid stratus]

Ratlings are cool. Wish their models were better tho

Maybe bullgryns to drop out of one of the Valkyries?

[thin ibex]

i enjoy the idea of a grav chute drop coinciding with the enemy officers going bye bye

oh that would be fun, and might give you a much needed melee blocker/presence

[floral herald]

Ogryns fit in valks now???

[thin ibex]

they always did, just like takes up like 3 slots per

and don't have in built deep strike

[floral herald]

No they didn’t always

[tepid stratus]

They could since 8th

Bullgryns with a commissar hopping outta a valk into the midfield just sounds cool

[floral herald]

Ah 8e

[thin ibex]

could also, with those poonts, maybe get a manticore or some other kind of indirect ire

fire

to support your lads

basilisks will make it harder for the enemy to counter charge you

[tepid stratus]

I considered getting bombast field guns and paint them up as palatine sentinels to compliment my scions being Lucifer blacks

[thin ibex]

oo

that'd be neat

or armored sentinels might also be decent tank hunters that still feel agile

if one of your vibes is feeling fast and agile

i like them with plasma or autocannons personally

[tepid stratus]

Mobility was the original appeal. I do like my fast lists

Tbh I'd probably have been a white scars player if bikes weren't lame in game and they had actual nice units instead of boring generic marines

But alas I won't be getting a new army until EC release. I need my noise boys

[thin ibex]

iirc your biggest holes for a scions dedicated list is lacking things that punch above T11/12 or have rerolls at str 8 or 9

can take a single lascannon per valk

iirc

and hellstrikes are str 10

[tepid stratus]

My tankbusting in the smaller games I've played has been from preemptively ingressing from a valk to setup for perhaps on my turn or hopping out a taurox for reroll wounds

[thin ibex]

i know the taurox prime rerolls are real solid

for a good AT punch

[tepid stratus]

Unfortunately a hellstrike valk is one lascannon shot and one hellstrike shot a turn

[thin ibex]

yeah its not a lot

its not nothing

but its not a lot

and some hb shots too right

?

[tepid stratus]

Missile pods you get both pods worth of shooting but with helkstrikes you only get one despite being modelled with 2

Yeah 6 heavy bolter shots

[thin ibex]

honestly the lascannon + rocket pods just seems better as a generalist pick

just cause you're not even getting twin linked out of the hellstrikes

though anti fly isn't ass, riding on one shot is tough

its actually surprising how many things have fly

and lend a lot of relevance ot having an anti fly thing in a given list

i do really like the idea of like

bullgryns as you said

though also a comissar can't lead em i dont think

i don't think anyone can?

yeah, no leaders can attach to bullgryns atm

i wonder if you can play tempestus by carving away everything BUT their toughest tanks, and then just camping out on stuff

[dense sedge]

and the local hobby shop I was planning to buy wyrdhollow from is still close

[thin ibex]

@tepid stratus
Threw this together real fast, though I was being a bit silly with the deathstrike. Conceivably you could swap it for any more consistent artillery like the collosus

Really do wish the deathstrike was like... just a bit better

Maybe just make the damage 2 instead of 1

Does remind me now. I want to make a carnodon list

Lol

[pine matrix]

Very happy to see the new DEldar changes, especially as someone who doesn't have any coven units so realspace raiders is slightly worse

Glad to be able to have two venoms full of incubus led by an Archon and Drazhar

I wonder if they'll do a plastic Court...

[thin ibex]

I did a very very silly list

Catachans just loaded up into this big transports

very aggro

what is this saying btw?

[floral herald]

I’m not sure

[tired cairn]

I think it's technically unclear what arriving early lets you do without that wording

So it let's you come in from the non-enemy board edge

As opposed to letting you come from the UNDEFINED board edge

Really awkward wording though lol

[thin ibex]

man the carnodon earns a lot of points from me just because you can deck it out in multilasers lol

MULTILAASSSEEERS

[spice flicker]

What's good about multi lasers?

[thin ibex]

honestly not a whole lot, they do have the benefit of being high str and high shot volume

so are good at killing Toughness 3 infantry

i just think they are under-presented in the guard

who presumabl use them the most

they kinda run parallel to a heavy bolter

with less damage and AP, but more str and shot number

but they also lack sustained hits

i just think they're kinda cool

and the guard should have more of them than they o

sprinkled around vehicles n squads n stuff

its also why i wish guard squads could bring a heavy stubber carryer

carrier

instead of just a hb weapons team

we got a drum fed auto

but no stubber or multilaser for infantry

[floral herald]

tbf that is a thing

[thin ibex]

rapire only brings lascannon iirc right?

or is that from hh?

[floral herald]

Rapier can be a bunch of things including quad multilasers

It is mostly a HH thing

[thin ibex]

yeah it exists in 10th but is only a lascannon option

[floral herald]

There's also a hard to take Chaos Space Marine version with a bunch of other options

But no multilaser haha

[thin ibex]

tbh in the current tablestate, the multilaser struggles to find a good niche

[bright dove]

Yeah, sadly.

[floral herald]

I think Multilasers have just, never been very good

[bright dove]

I'd probably prefer the more damage of a Heavy Bolter.

They were nice to have on Sentinels.

[thin ibex]

kinda wish multilasers got the sus hits

[bright dove]

Back when armor facing was a thing.

[thin ibex]

or maybe rapid fire

[bright dove]

You could then move around quickly and burst some fire into squishier side or back armor with your Sentinels.

[thin ibex]

multilaser with 4 shots and rapidfire 2 would help it a bit with competing against the hb

[bright dove]

While also being prepared for infantry relatively well.

[floral herald]

I guess if you can get backshots

I wouldn't really rely on S6 for anything but AV10

[bright dove]

6 Strength and 4 shots per Sentinel was good enough odds.

[floral herald]

Vs AV10 yeah

But IIRC they had Outflank so getting back armor hits wouldn't have been that bad

[bright dove]

Yep yep.

That was when Multilasers were nice.

[thin ibex]

i almost wish that multilasers were low damage, low/mid str guns with good ap

so like str 4 or 5, 4 shots, AP-3, d1, rapidfire 2 or something

[jaunty dawn]

harridans were kinda interesting back then

cause the 20 gargoyles counted as aircraft weapons

so only strength 4 but pretty much every flyer was av10 all around relying on proto-snap shots

so decent chance of throwing a beetle into a cockpit and taking out a plane

[bright dove]

Yuuup

[thin ibex]

i wonder what votann close support hover flier would look like

[floral herald]

chunky I imagine

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/zardoz-gif-18292749

More likely some kind of sci-fi copter.

[thin ibex]

hahaha

i wouldn't hate that, but yeah i doubt it'd be THAT on the nose

[naive abyss]

I suspect it'll look kinda like the ships from the matrix

[floral herald]

Squats had this

[thin ibex]

vtol twin thruster or

but smaller prolly

[junior robin]

perfection

[thin ibex]

single pilot type dealio

[floral herald]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Eagle_Gyrocopter

This thing

I'd kind of expect an updated one of those but given the decades and that it was a 6mm model I imagine it might look pretty different

[soft willow]

Yeah you'll probably keep the two big fans but have something that reflects their NASA aesthetic in the middle.

[naive abyss]

In theory we've seen kin hover craft

[floral herald]

Also the Overlord

[thin ibex]

i figure rather than fans, we'd get grav plating or ion discs like the "bikes"

[floral herald]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Overlord_Armoured_Airship

This is actually a neato concept

Militarized gas giant miner

[naive abyss]

barely visible in top left lol

And they've had a bomber/gunship name dropped a few times now

i think this is the first time I've seen this full art and it's a vibe

[thin ibex]

do votann like to build faces into their non-utilitarian architecture?

[soft willow]

From what we've seen so far yeah.

[spice flicker]

I mean they are dwarves

Space dwarves

[thin ibex]

yeah, its just that the space dorfs as the votann have a lot of their thematic push being around utilitarianism and pragmatism

rather than necessarily being very decorative

[rocky shale]

Ow oof Aledari nerfs

I love when improving internal balance is all nerfs

I just want to use banshees

[floral herald]

Eldar are on the winningest end of the stick right now

But I think they'll probably settle into a healthy winrate after this one

[naive abyss]

They use it sparingly but still decorate

[rocky shale]

Oh yeah most the nerfs make sense, it'd just be nice to bring up some of the underpeformers to diversify the options too.

6"->D6" phantasm is brutal

[floral herald]

yeah word

[rocky shale]

That and halving the fate die amount

[floral herald]

I think GW is scared that if they buff anything Eldar rn it'll just be "57% win rate but with different list composition"

[rocky shale]

At least I have a reason to run eldrad+4 warlocks in a falcon now

[rocky shale]

That's almost definitely the reasoning

[spice flicker]

Kinda sad tbh that IK still can't spread bondsman to the big guys but at least we got a miniscule points drop.

[soft willow]

And our re-rolls aren't limited to 1's now.

Lay Low the Tyrants is now reroll a hit and a wound.

So overall IK should be more consistent at least.

And the points drop was pretty significant. I gained 70 points in the list I've been running.

If I drop the Imperial Agents filler I had it leaves me with 130 points to play with which ain't shabby.

[bright dove]

Quite nice

[thin ibex]

i do wish IK had like 1 tier more of lower lil dudes

sometimes

when i list build

it ends up being so fast

[desert jay]

The Chaos Daemon change is interesting, but also it does nothing to stop random chaos armies from taking Nurglings

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah nurglings are fine

[desert jay]

And there's definitely a discrepancy on the level of battleline investment you're doing

[soft willow]

House guard who are guardsmen with las-lances or something silly.

[desert jay]

Non-Nurgle gotta buy a 120-140 pt squad but Nurglings are super affordable

[soft willow]

Sacristans who can repair your units mid fight.

Those would both fit the IK fluff and be fun.

Though they get away from stompy robot army.

[jaunty dawn]

wouldn't be a problem if they hadn't trashed mechanicus + knights just sayin

[desert jay]

Well if you're Questor Imperialis it's a little weird to be loaded up on skitarii and such, but yes, please

[jaunty dawn]

also

[desert jay]

Counterpoint: Having friendly infantry near the big robots remind you how big the big robots are

[jaunty dawn]

admech should've had two army rules and had a imperial guard style thing where every tech priest just has a bit that says how much they heal a unit

or even heal and a type of buff

cause the fact that the repair thing faction only gets the same repair guy everyone else does is awful

and then that also solves the problem of an army rule that does nothing for half the army

[soft willow]

I wouldn't be mad, but It isn't what GW is selling here.

[thin ibex]

some different repair values yeah

would be cool

on the admech

[desert jay]

When I was doing IK for Conflictmallet, I did write up a few units:

• Peasant Levy: Autoguns and gambesons, basically discount guardsmen from a feudal world
• House Escort: A knight's personal retinue of attendants/bodyguards/stormtroopers. Explicitly fluffed as including battle maids

[thin ibex]

lol give an IK LEADER, this unit can lead units of ARMIGERS 😛

[desert jay]

And oh I forgot House Escort was gonna be able to take regimental attaches (psyker, ordnance guy, etc), that was fun

[pine matrix]

Kinda surprised how well this Incubus body sits on the venom, just with the wych arm

[thin ibex]

you know ive been jumping channels when i read Karrakin as Kasrkin

[pine matrix]

Thought I'd have to shave some of the armour off and stick one of the bent legs onto it

[desert jay]

Just saw that GW will drop actual points when the codex formally releases, so I guess DA players gonna be crossing fingers

[floral herald]

Oh that makes sense

[desert jay]

At the very least they have to for the new units, no clue if they're planning on updating units that have notable index->codex changes

[upper canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/366866974812405761/1201967321799991377/facebook_1706641379036_7158172762657171722.png?ex=65cbbe4c&is=65b9494c&hm=e5998247dcb8f3835aa7203876f2fe0ff029e6d23b0f54df40a0cc250635c43c&

[soft willow]

Absolutely perfect.

[jaunty dawn]

thinking about. tau yuri

like oh little pining shas'la gazing at the gruff working fio'ui

the lore apparently says fire caste are the strongest but I choose to ignore this

cause like

idk you have super tall air caste. I think human tall water caste

and then fire caste are like pretty short. bundle of energy definitely, but they're like partially for crawling through tanks and fitting into battlesuits n such

so I feel like in that space big strong labouring earth caste makes sense

like how most extant megafauna on earth is herbivorous

like before the ethereals I imagine fire caste as like pack hunters to the large sedentary builders of the earth caste

I mean I guess earth caste as like fantasy dwarves isn't bad but idk

actually it's kinda weird because earth caste are basically the standard tau while the others are effectively specialisations if you go by population ratio n such. and yet they're the ones who have been depicted the least by far and the only to have zero models

[unreal cosmos]

my crisis suit team has a simplified pattern on their shoulderpads

they're queer in that their squad has five members instead of three

[jaunty dawn]

oh shit nice

bonding knife ritual is basically marriage

I also think the fire caste being the shortest works on the level of like. representing the tau's military place in the galaxy as a whole. they are small. but they'll kneecap you and run circles around your crew

maneuver warfare as the only warfare they've ever known

the great struggle between fire's offence and earth's defence ultimately won by the former, and that's why they're the military

[unreal cosmos]

hell yeah

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Ke8NRG

man i have such mixed emotions on this art lol

like fuck yeah even more celtic/gaelic dorfs but helves with the roman/hellenistic inspo dialed up are throwing my brain off ngl lol

love the gaul style helmets for the dorfs though

[jaunty dawn]

that is pretty interesting

[bitter mortar]

are warhammer elves usually not that hellenistic?

idk old world

[naive abyss]

they arent that hellenistic they are still pretty hellenistic just not that much lol

in that they have weird pointy ass helmets instead of horse hairs and etc

also i only mean helves specifically

welves and delves are there own beasts visually lol

[floral herald]

They don’t usually look like that but they’re pretty Hellenistic just like the weird scrungly kind of Hellenistic which doesn’t show up all the time in representations

[naive abyss]

i mean yes

though idk if id call it scrungly ngl

i do find it funny they gave them horsehairs when the more often have feathers on helms usually lol

but as a ref for the models and art

helves are like medieval atlanteans tm in allot of ways

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/g01B6G

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VJK4ob

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/vDWLOx

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/1af70r9/kitbashed_kâhl_still_very_work_in_progress/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/ArtOfWesGardner/status/1615940824054878210

[crisp lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1752520967899738470

( what is it?)

https://tenor.com/view/who-me-huh-what-wait-gif-25560426

I’m judging by the phlange thingys it’s heritech

https://fxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1731721707679883678

He’s fucked

[crisp lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/Titus_Eliksni/status/1752547409819750723

[pulsar cairn]

i'll say

ciaphas cain is a cool guy

I'm reading his first book

[solemn gull]

Eyy

Great book

I like his character

[pulsar cairn]

he feels like a person too which i like

not just the way he acts but also the way he talks

[solemn gull]

Yeah he is an actual normal and relatable person which is rare in 40k

I feel like cain could be dropped into our modern world and be relatively fine

[thin ibex]

i think the disconnect with cain is that he absolutely talks and feels like a normal person; but he's actually superlatively skilled with his weapons and in like peak physical condition

to the point where if you really think about it, after seeing some of his feats with his chainsword, there's a bit of a disconnect between his attitude and capability i think (i still love the character)

I love his valhallan companion too

[quaint compass]

Jurgen my beloved

[tardy vault]

Half the humor imo is that the Ciaphus Cain books are about the conflict of like three different versions of the dude

Who he says he is