Warhammer and Such

[naive abyss]

which was what replaced them having done fro a while a bunch of chapter specific stuff

for sure im not like saying they are more divergent than Ih

but i feel they are more divergent than like BA and are pretty smilarly so in some ways to the wolves imo

[floral herald]

That’s probably true

[naive abyss]

but this is also me sorta ignoring the kinda nothing lore they have in 40k and just making guesses to a degree based on the actual lore they were finally given in HH lol

[floral herald]

It’s also funny to me because WS were near as I can tell actually the first individual chapter to get a write up

In book of the Astronomicon

Though naturally the lore back then was pretty different

[uneven ember]

So, this is more my take on the setting, but I generally think that the exceptions like the Watchers are less matters of strict Imperial exception and categorization as, like
Ten thousand years of Inquisitors looking at each other like "look man, do you want to try storming the Rock to purge the Dark Angels' funny little guys?"

[floral herald]

I don’t think the DA even know what exactly they are and they don’t ask much

[naive abyss]

well few people know about watchers i think

[naive abyss]

it doesnt help everytime a marine tried to they end up disappearing lol

[floral herald]

They’re… around holding people’s stuff and looking in the darkness

But your average Greenwing knows better than to ask tricky questions

[naive abyss]

like but imo outside of teh DA i doubt many people know watchers exist and of those who do few realize theyre xenos

[uneven ember]

"Don't Worry About It."

[naive abyss]

but also xenos minoris are a thing as well

but yeah the watchers are like the funky lil squires of the elites of the unforgiven

[floral herald]

Oh yeah outside of the DA they’re probably like “yeah they’re probably chapter serfs”

[naive abyss]

so those not in the circles learn quick to not poke at it or disappear

like the fact they are xenos is more i think a pseudo guess by the unforgiven about their nature

[uneven ember]

Just, I always like takes on the Imperium where the real answer to "how does this work" is almost always "it really doesn't" and the ultimate authority is "what I can get away with."

[naive abyss]

theres also that for sure

hell the lov are like a big example of that in a way

[floral herald]

The Dark Angels have also been like the Morrow style “It’s not good to be asking questions like that” faction since before the Inquisition was even founded I think

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

[uneven ember]

Yeah, really do like the "abhuman or xenos" debate in the IoM and the LoV's answer is "what? who are you? Go away."

[naive abyss]

theyve been teh boogeyman marines since always more or less

hell they are literally where the idea of marines as "his angels of death" comes from

tbh my fave is the early history of the 1st where people started calling them the uncrowned princes

cuz that name goes so hard

to the point ive taken to use with my risen

with the logic that the lion jokingly to himself referred to them that way and they ran with it

[uneven ember]

nice

[naive abyss]

but yeah the 1st have their origns lowkey as the "we are the pinnacle of horrible death machines we shall make what should not be utterly unexistant in all ways"

to the point that most of their like campaigns during the great crusade have no records of them

outside of sporadic internal to the legion records

[brittle salmon]

I think that's really mostly the Dreadwing along with post-Heresy suppression efforts

[naive abyss]

i mean no

that was always their job

[brittle salmon]

A lot of the DA were Normal TM

[naive abyss]

i mean ehhh?

[bright dove]

But there was always talk about them.

[naive abyss]

they literally were the black ops legion

[naive abyss]

tru

[uneven ember]

& now I'm trying to find the image of the Imperial org chart from 1st ed DH and I can't find it
Which is a shame because it was absolute nonsense

[floral herald]

I remember the really early DA also got up to some nasty stuff

[past sphinx]

DA where the sons of like terran kings and such that got handed over to the emperor right?

[bright dove]

The DA were always elbow deep in scary shit.

[floral herald]

Like that weird purge beyond Pluto they super banned anyone from talking about

[naive abyss]

also if memory serves the dreadwing existed after they found the lion lol

[naive abyss]

no as memory serves they were taken from all viable candidates on terra

as a sorta test bed

cuz they were like literally a teast bed

like they had a pseudo librarius ages before the idea was brought up

the host of pentacles

and said group played a key role in repellinng some kind of weird ass massive warp entity back into the eye of terror

an even known as the sealing of the black gate lol

[naive abyss]

yeah that was of a xenos superstructure if memory serves

and whatever was on it was so not emps vibe he had the legion just wipe any trace or records of it

like the DA ostensibly murdered probably hundreds of species/civilizations and insured no record of it ever survived

cuz their whole thing was sorta being the thankless executioners shroud

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Host_of_Pentacles

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sealing_of_the_Black_Gate

[past sphinx]

munda off the books again lads

we got a plastic Elyisum go cart so i guess were eatin better than guard rn

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/Salllllty_water/status/1748025774438023478

[thin ibex]

Is it weird that I like bringing a sniper in guardsmen squads cause a designated marksman sounds cool? I know snipers just don't match the utility of the other special weapons

[naive abyss]

snipers cool

i very much like long las

soon tm

[sinful merlin]

As a guard player I'm glad I could get a Tauros Venator again 😄

though it's a bit silly rules-wise since the main gun has twin linked and then it's ability is just... rerolling the wound roll against monsters/vehicles

[dense sedge]

Lots of new kroot

[naive abyss]

So we are getting a full kroot refresh

[floral herald]

These are good looking Kroot

The TMNT chests are cracking me up

[bold halo]

the size of that BOOMSTICK bottom left

[floral herald]

looks like that ogryn shotgun in darktide

[bold halo]

gun of torson't

the stock is just for show because using it also makes it a gun of shouldrn't

[floral herald]

sick ass model

[crisp lance]

https://vxtwitter.com/VoiceSnacks/status/1747659719584407613?s=20

[floral herald]

ok ngl, these are way better than the old krootox

[untold swallow]

I am so glad I'm not the only one who thought that

[bold halo]

holy shit those krootox

10/10 poses

[floral herald]

they're sick as hell yeah

I don't even play Tau and I want some

Ok the older style gunner one is rad

[untold swallow]

I feel bad that I don't like kroot even tho they are composed of things I do like

[dense sedge]

Half?

[naive abyss]

Also apparently there's even more kroot beyond what they are showing today

[bright dove]

Kroot kroot kroot kroot

[naive abyss]

So like a full kroot army may now be feasible

[floral herald]

All kroot detachment yeah

[bold halo]

only issue is regular kroot are kind of

bad

[floral herald]

There's gotta be some other Kroot infantry if that was only half

[dense sedge]

I felt a bit disappointed by mandrakes for some reason

[floral herald]

But yeah normal Kroot are auxiliary for a reason

[dense sedge]

And I like mandrakes

[floral herald]

Have those been shown?

[dense sedge]

First thing shown

[floral herald]

Oh shame, my stream was being weird so I missed them I guess

Anyone grab a pic?

Found one

[dense sedge]

She’s cool

[floral herald]

They're not bad but I agree, I think they could have had more exciting posing

[naive abyss]

Bird lady

[dense sedge]

I think I was excited for them and they didn’t wow me

[bold halo]

less variety there than I'd expect from a kill team box, yeah

[untold swallow]

YYYYEEEAAAAHHH ACTUALLY FUCKED UP LIKING DELDAR

[naive abyss]

Oh no she's the seer of my fave elf goddess

[untold swallow]

Gangly mfs with swords

[floral herald]

Yeah I'm not loving this trend of less KT specialists in the last 2 boxes

Though the NL team is tight as hell

[untold swallow]

Who?

[floral herald]

Mandrakes really need a dark background to shine too I think

[naive abyss]

Morrai heg the crone goddess

[floral herald]

I like the models but I wanted to like em more

[bold halo]

feels a little bit more like releasing new 40k kits as part of a kill team box than new kill teams

[floral herald]

Yeah

[brittle salmon]

Yeah I don't like it

I do like the Night Lords tho

[bold halo]

like I give the striking scorpions a pass because I want those and that makes them special but like, when the kill team is limited to 8 models and the kit comes with enough to build 10, including the option to build two exarchs for 2x5

[brittle salmon]

Finally, good Night Lords rep

[floral herald]

These are cool models

[naive abyss]

I like the old lady

[untold swallow]

no like who's the seer

[floral herald]

That KT also has a lot going on mechanically which helps

[brittle salmon]

I'll be real

[naive abyss]

The model shown

[untold swallow]

???

[brittle salmon]

AoS models have been fucking banging lately

[untold swallow]

Where?

[floral herald]

Yeah

[dense sedge]

They’re moving away from bespoke kill teams unfortunately

[bold halo]

once you drop another $150 on models, yeah

[dense sedge]

They really have

[brittle salmon]

The Cities of Sigmar stuff didn't miss and neither does this lot

[bold halo]

like I get the reasoning, you can sell more minis if they're cross pollinating like this

but more weirdos pls

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/19/warhammer-preview-at-lvo-2024-all-of-the-reveals-in-one-place/

[dense sedge]

Another necromancer warband?

[floral herald]

Are those common?

I don't follow Underworlds that closely, though I dig a lot of the models

[dense sedge]

We had one relatively recently

[bold halo]

here's that actual mini btw

[dense sedge]

It’s a really good mini

[bold halo]

yeah it rules

[floral herald]

I like the weird bowl

[naive abyss]

I like it but they also stole my idea for my vamp counts lol

[dense sedge]

Underworlds has cool stuff but it’s a bit too pricy for me

I love Ephilim’s unknowables but there in a really pricey starter set

[floral herald]

these are neat

yoo updated Malcador

I like this paint scheme

I might steal it for my navy breachers

[naive abyss]

Plastic aux Hell yeah

[untold swallow]

Nice

Is she a lumineth model?

[naive abyss]

Daughters

[bold halo]

daughters of khaine

[untold swallow]

Oh is that a separate elf faction?

Cool

I know

jack and shit about aos

[bold halo]

they're the morathi faction of religious murder-elves

[untold swallow]

Oh god

[floral herald]

These are crisp

[bold halo]

like khaine is/was the god of murder, lots of blood themes

[naive abyss]

Ngl the plastic aux are tempting to use for my Napoleonic guard

[floral herald]

This is also neat, very rogue trader feeling

[naive abyss]

I like it

This is allot of the aux range too

This might get me to collect some hh

[runic swallow]

Neat that the lasrifles look a tad like Lucius pattern lasguns

[floral herald]

Lol this is an APC

Ok this rules, the funky Forge World LRs in plastic

[untold swallow]

ngl I don’t like the daughters of Khaine

[floral herald]

Lol the other LR

[brittle salmon]

The Draconian is hot ngl

Demolisher!

[floral herald]

I hope it gets 40k rules

These guys would also make good IG

[untold swallow]

Big tanks were just invented energy

[floral herald]

For not cadians

[brittle salmon]

Yeah

[floral herald]

Ok, I'm definitely stealing this color scheme for my Breachers

[brittle salmon]

It'd be nice to see the guard get a Razorback equivalent

[runic swallow]

I mean, the Russ is just a MK IV with a turret, so, that tracks

[floral herald]

Yeah all the imperial tanks look like the funky early ones before people figured it out design wise

[naive abyss]

Love these

[floral herald]

Big M returns

options

[uneven ember]

I do also just love the Navy Breachers' look because it's like
Combat diving suit

[brittle salmon]

I kinda hated the Malcador but I don't mind this newer one

[dense sedge]

I wish it was coed sexy elves

[floral herald]

Yeah the old one had that weirder older forge world aesthetic

Maybe it was just the old paint scheme

[bold halo]

they used to be coed way back but all the other stuff got split off

[glossy vapor]

i wonder what the other kroot models are going to be

we know from the end of year teaser that there is going to be another rider but with a more canine/dire wolf shaped mount.

[floral herald]

If I had to guess, hounds, some kind of hound rider, and more elite Kroot infantry

Maybe a third kind of shaper

[bright dove]

I cannot blame you. Their battlelines make me sad

[naive abyss]

Ngl the kroot were the highlight for me

[bold halo]

I'd be very surprised if everything but the hounds got refreshed, yeah

[brittle salmon]

Bring Knarlocs back

[bold halo]

puppy spotted

[brittle salmon]

All I'm saying

[glossy vapor]

are farstalkers getting refreshed? their a pretty recent sculpt right?

[bright dove]

Kruppy!

[bold halo]

farstalkers are really new, they're the bespoke kill team

[floral herald]

I doubt farstalkers are getting replaced - the new Carnivores were called out as being compatible with them

[bold halo]

going back quite a bit these are great harlequin bases

the masks even work as is

[floral herald]

Oh those would be great

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/19/lvo-2024-preview-kill-team-descends-into-a-world-of-nightmares/

I like these guys a lot more without the off-white background

[naive abyss]

i think the art shows a hound

[uneven ember]

I presume so
A pretty big redesign of the face/beak if so

[floral herald]

Oh I like the ridgeback

[untold swallow]

I just think the level of male-gazed horniness is

Much

[bright dove]

Ahhh. My ace ass goes meh

It's just that a 6+ save is bad for me

[still warren]

Some cool ghosts

[ebon forge]

ORK TEKK CONTINUES TO I-PROVE AFTER EACH WAAAAAGH!!

[pulsar cairn]

[ebon forge]

kinda funny how the pipboy in the end is an smartphone but can check your health in dept

[upper canopy]

Fuck yeah Kroot

[jaunty dawn]

googles how to resist urge to finally start kroot army of my dreams

what if they reveal new gnarlocs in the 50% unrevealed releases

literally what am I gonna do then xP

plastic mars alpha leman russ is cool too though. 10/10 would chaosify

and the pyregheists are gorgeous which is also unfair

think my shadowstalkers are dissidents and follow this new crone lady

[ebon forge]

Look at your bank account

[jaunty dawn]

yeah. yeah

baby kroot hound!!!!!

[valid brook]

Ppupy

[jaunty dawn]

this is really cute

dig up objectives to tutor upgrades or to revive zombie

[naive abyss]

Bupper

[ebon forge]

The more I read about Ferrus Manus the more I think he probably would had joined the Ad-Mech somehow if he had lived more.
his legion does seem to almost worship the machine is that correct? Or is more meme-flanderisation?

[jaunty dawn]

uhh

[cloud flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ResLqr-WG8U

[jaunty dawn]

kinda yeah

[cloud flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[jaunty dawn]

but the main reason the iron hands fell into that completely is that ferrus wasn't around to stop them

and they viewed his death as proof that he was ultimately wrong

[cloud flicker]

Yeah it’s a cool bit

I wish we got more of the IH

[jaunty dawn]

and then the admech over time took control of the chapter to an extent

[cloud flicker]

They do get consistently awesome rules though

[jaunty dawn]

by manipulating them

[ebon forge]

oh
Oh no
That sounds bad no wonder people say Ferrus ghost is always pissed

[jaunty dawn]

a representative from mars is part of the chapter council

like not just a techmarine, which they have a ton of,

a full on like tech priest is one part of the leadership

one guy out of like a hundred but yeah

the iron hands are still pretty independent unlike the steel confessors which were fully under the control of the mechanicus

before they were told to give up their toy

but the relationship is to the extent that when the moirae schism happened which was fundamentally an ad mech heresy elements from every iron hand chapter were part of it

[cloud flicker]

SM relationships with AdMech and thus Techmarines are so cool to me.

I like how they take different roles and are treated differently depending on the chapter.

[ebon forge]

Steel Confessors CM looks dope

[jaunty dawn]

and combined those elements were enough to create a whole new penitent chapter

cause space marines get to make up for it when they fuck up instead of just getting blammed lol

sons of medusa

[ebon forge]

Oh god so the IH got into a big slippery slope

[pulsar cairn]

me wants it

[jaunty dawn]

the relatively new ih character feirros is more in line with what ferrus believed

is like huh maybe we shouldn't immediately rush to replacing our bodies with robots

not very popular as a result though

[pulsar cairn]

hi penny

[jaunty dawn]

hi!

[cloud flicker]

Oh that’s very cool

I didn’t know about that stuff

Techmarines are just so cool

[ebon forge]

oh that's cool.
Makes me wonder if they gonna make the Ghost of Ferrus something

[cloud flicker]

Probably not?

[jaunty dawn]

iron hands once made a zombie ferrus

it didn't go very well

[cloud flicker]

But it’s GW so we never know what becomes a model.

[ebon forge]

What
Can you explain?

[jaunty dawn]

it was still during the heresy

extremist iron fathers used medusan tech and one of his arms to try and resurrect ferrus

but it was actually a bid to take control of the legion from their at the time premier Shadrak Meduson

who led a combined force of the shattered legions

vulcan was hanging out and saw the zombie ferrus and got real mad and destroyed it

[ebon forge]

oh... because it was just an walking corpse and didn't think/talked?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah basically

[ebon forge]

Vulcan had to deal with a lot

[cloud flicker]

Funny that Vulcan also fucked up in an instance and his chapter took it to heart.

[jaunty dawn]

I wonder if the kroot detachment is gonna be a csm style pick an adaption for every kroot unit in your army

that was basically the kroot mercenary army list gimmick

that and unique units

[naive abyss]

Random but I sorta wish the crone seer was for lumineth

[onyx elm]

Regarding Wrath & Glory, I wish the game included more unique one-of-a-kind items. Feels like it was made for that.

[naive abyss]

I just want a kin supplement for wang at this point lol

[onyx elm]

When you say kin, is that Chaos?

[jaunty dawn]

votann

[onyx elm]

Ah okay!

[tired cairn]

I find it funny that the crone seer has to stand on objects of a certain height if she doesn't want to drag her cape on the ground

[onyx elm]

Not that they can't do it, but it would be a bit of a magic trick to see how Votann also end up in the Gilead system lol.

[jaunty dawn]

stranded in the dark imperium basically

[onyx elm]

Kind of yeah. They're surrounded by a whole warp storm, so they're sort of extra screwed.

It's why the Imperium might condescend to working with Aldari or even Ork. At least temporarily.

[jaunty dawn]

great rift basically opened right on top of the league homes

so they're expanding in all directions I would assume

[onyx elm]

I mean, they came up with some good reasons why the other factions just happen to be in the Gilead area. A crashed Aldari Craftworld, Ork are just everywhere already, a small Tau scout expedition, Necrons waking up, Genestealer Cults activating after being cut off from the Hivemind, and Chaos just everywhere.

[naive abyss]

Well of the factions that use warp travel kin are the most likely to be able to navigate a storm imo

[thin ibex]

i see ppl already talked about it

but

KROOT ALARM KROOT ALARM

very pleased

[jaunty dawn]

its okay everyone deserves to sound the kroot alarm

[thin ibex]

war shapers? a proper HQ? Flesh Shapers? reimagined krootox with options?

eatin good today

[cloud flicker]

Just like the Kroot

[thin ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/good-boy-dance-gif-25381375

the kill team is cool too i guess

[cloud flicker]

Oh did they show the new rules?

[thin ibex]

nah id just not seem them till now

and its neat to not have an explicit "good guy vs bad guy" themed box

[junior robin]

always find it funny to see a space marine bring a missile launcher to kill team, it just feels so overkill.

[thin ibex]

in the context of the format it really feels like "im going to ruin 1 guys fucking day"

though its less overkill if youre NOT a space marine and are fighting one

[junior robin]

really wish you could go the extra mile and bring a lascannon.

[thin ibex]

kill team deathstrike

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/19/dark-angels-kit-focus-robes-accessories-incense-burners-and-plasma/

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/mBW0zk7wohI?si=EqViJ7smoxCEWz-S

[floral herald]

You can get a Dark Lance at least

[thin ibex]

yall think darktide soundtrack music plays all the time in the imperium?

and does chaos frequently listen to "Empires Will Fall" off of the volume 2 soundtrack?

[dense sedge]

It’s a shame that kill team has moved away from unique boxes to just 40k kits sold as kts

What were the teaser for the next kt again? Kiss of a bladed tendril and ?

[jaunty dawn]

raven white as snow

although I saw a comment that said it applies well to the first box already

I wouldn't really see this as a trend away from unique boxes. I mean hell, the very first kt21 box had a kommando refresh and plastic dkok

[thin ibex]

i wouldnt call it a trend myself either, its just kind a thing they do

[floral herald]

I’m curious how the rules will work for the Mandrakes

We got some little hints about them being strong vs people in shadow

Darkness mechanic for the team? Bonuses vs operatives under a Conceal order?

[desert jay]

Heh, melee bonuses vs conceal would be interesting

[floral herald]

Yeah, though the team doesn’t seem to put out a lot of ranged threat visually

So maybe something else

[uneven ember]

I remember back when you got to place three Mandrake minis on the table and you could choose which one was where the squad actually was during the game.

Back when they were less shadow-monsters and more, uh
||I don't want to say 'gimp suit'||

[tired cairn]

It also sounds like they will get a teleport

[floral herald]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Dark_Eldar_Mandrakes.gif

I forgot about old mandrakes

[uneven ember]

For all the... that... they don't especially stand out, do they?

[bright dove]

Look at those doofs.

[floral herald]

Yeah functionally they were pretty much just “male wyches”

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/farscape-farscape-friday-farscape-tv-scifi-tv-show-scifi-tv-gif-13845918

[uneven ember]

I gotta say that line refresh really did stand out as a glow-up.

[pastel rampart]

HUGE glow-up.

Entire DE line was vastly improved.

[floral herald]

The new mandrakes are also a nice glow up

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Mandrakes-models.jpg

These aren’t bad

But these are i think an improvement

[pastel rampart]

Moving from resin to plastic too.

[uneven ember]

Oh yeah, I do like the change there. I'd say it's an improvement.
I'm just remembering with some amusement just how much they redid the whole look of the DEldar in... what, 5th?

[thin ibex]

they look kinda sick

whats the deal with mandrakes

anywho

[valid brook]

I think that was ballpark early 5th ed, yeah

[uneven ember]

Since the refresh they're DEldar who are also, like, part-shadow. They jump out of the darkness and fuck people up.
The details are generally a spooooooky mystery.

[dense sedge]

Yeah but both those kits had more special units than generic ones

[dense sedge]

Old mandrakes are completely different, I much prefer the new ones

[uneven ember]

I think the only other faction to get as... complete a redesign as the DEldar was the 'nids.
Like everyone's sculpts have changed over the decades but those are the two that I think get the clearest "before" and "after"

[bright dove]

Old Deldar kinda blew chunks. They were unpopular for a reason.

[uneven ember]

I actually really love the 5th DEldar Codex, on top of the minis refresh.
It redesigned the lore from something pretty basic to something a lot more evocative and cool without really contradicting the old lore, just embellishing on it and taking it in a different direction. It introduced the Trueborn/Halfborn divide, which is just such a cool concept for so many reasons. And it makes the DEldar seem cool as hell with a minimum of chumping other factions.

(Ward hate is overdone, for sure, but he definitely had an issue with having his Special Characters show up with one hand tied behind their back and the other hand drinking their morning coffee and still beating up the biggest badasses other factions have to offer and making them cry.)

[floral herald]

It’s a really good one

[uneven ember]

Although, looking at the old 3rd Ed Codex, there was a detail I liked in one of the fluff boxes
Which is a Cormorraugh prisoner talking about how there were no barriers keeping the slaves from leaving, except the knowledge that if they left the building they'd be in the Dark City.

[pulsar cairn]

Cyan

what's your favorite Legion/chapter?

[pastel rampart]

LoV too.

[naive abyss]

Lol yeah

[pastel rampart]

They went from biker dorfs to angry balls of cyber-armor.

[naive abyss]

I think there's an argument for custodes to a degree too

[pastel rampart]

Custodes only ever had like one model back in the RT days and otherwise had little to work off of.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6cEQc4RR98U/X3c2gKwkhqI/AAAAAAAAfmM/TOubAoVzRGIrqh7xmnNkikce9JialRbiQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Adeptus_Custodes_1a.jpg

[uneven ember]

hah! yeah, hadn't thought of the LoV
The ~20 years of "don't be silly, there's no such thing as Squats" threw me

[uneven ember]

oh wow & yeah I don't think I'd seen this handsome devil before

[pastel rampart]

RT-era sculpts are sometimes really weird and wild and goofy.

[uneven ember]

So just did some googles and it looks like one of the first Custodes as we'd recognize them were a Blanche picture of the Throne from 93
Which is one of the only times I've seen a 40K figure get less weird through the magic of Blanche

[floral herald]

Black Legion tbh

[bright dove]

Favorite title goes to the Souldrinkers

Salamanders take second

[naive abyss]

Scars

[pine matrix]

I think these guys look great, but other than the shadow wing guy I'm a little concerned it'd be hard to tell specialists from each other

[floral herald]

Yeah might need more distinct paintwork

[floral herald]

For loyalists i like a lot of em but Ultramarines and BTs stand out

But i generally like pretty much all of em

I’ve liked Ultramarines ever since there was a random mention of them in Titan: God Machine and I didn’t even know what space marines were at the time

There was just an aside about the Titans being supported by regiments of the imperial guard (ok makes sense they need infantry) and a company of Ultramarines

I didn’t know what chapters were

So I just assumed that was the name in general and they were like cartoonishly hardcore space-USMC fellers

And a company of them was equal to regiments of normal guys

But they all got eaten by Tyranids anyway

And I’ve thought they were neat ever since

[pulsar cairn]

cool choice

what's your favorite loyalist one?

i feel tempted to go space wolves but idk

[floral herald]

Scroll up a bit

[pulsar cairn]

oh oki

which one is BT?

oh black templars

my favorite traitor one is Alpha legion for sure

but i have a hard time picking a loyalist one

i like Heresy era Ultramarines but i dont think that counts

[ebon forge]

Space Wolf I tried to like but I always fall back a bit with their overly use of wolf stuff and pseudo-viking stuff

They fucking howl

They literally go Awoo OwO

[brittle salmon]

Space Wolves lean way too hard into the bit

Is my personal opinion

[ebon forge]

Yeah, that

Salamanders is a easy pick tbh

[naive abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959855447966371891/1197995413454737519/988D58CE-66AE-4B4D-9AAC-1878AC712E23.mov?ex=65bd4b2c&is=65aad62c&hm=454ee517b3860d99f41d33c02a24b42496eedafb126c21a01997d031c5f12034&

[floral herald]

That’s sick as hell you can’t trick me

[ebon forge]

I have yet to see an interpretation that made them look sick while doing it

[brittle salmon]

Cyan def knows my favourite loyalist chapter already

[floral herald]

Yeah Lamenters iirc

[brittle salmon]

You got it

[pulsar holly]

They also really REALLY hate people reneging on deals with them. They seem even by Drukhari standards to be super vindictive

[uneven ember]

Yeah, & while there's plenty of mercenaries in the DEldar, the Mandrakes are also the ones who'll ask for weird, esoteric stuff. Like, ask for someone's voice as part of their payment for participating in a raid.
Kinda playing up the "evil fairy" aspect of the DEldar.

[spice flicker]

That's not evil fairy, that's just normal traditional European fae and their vileness.

[floral herald]

I think it’s funny that the 10e tau codex is just the 4e tau codex

I’d be annoyed but it’s peak

[spice flicker]

Man I really want to like tau but the whole spotter requirement for good shooting has honestly turned me away from them. I mean I find it thematic and neat in theory but trying to strategize around it annoys me into just going back to knights.

[brittle salmon]

Honestly it's just resourceless markerlights

[spice flicker]

I know

[brittle edge]

@dense sequoia

    Shame welled up inside Obyron then, at how close he had come to giving up on his master. How close he had been to striking him down. Would he really have gone through with his plans after the battle of the chasm, had Zahndrekh not appeared to him?

    ’No,’ said Zahndrekh, resting a hand on the scarred armour of his shoulder. 'I will always know my Obyron, even if I lose comprehension of all other things. Indeed, sometimes I wonder if I have lost some of my wits - if maybe I don't see the world for what it truly is. But that will never matter, so long as I have you by my side. You are, in many ways, the stronger half of me. The better half. Even if you are an oafish, sandborn clod.’ Zahndrekh laughed softly at that, and clapped Obyron on the back.

[dense sequoia]

;-;

[fading horizon]

Seriously tho people got so mad that Tau had SOME morals so they introduced mind control

[bright dove]

Not really accurate to all of the complaints

It was that this didn't cause problems

[uneven ember]

so, I think that's debatable.
You had some implication with the Vespid, but that always felt a bit thin, and then you had Impies going "they seem to be able to command loyalty and respect with all this talk of universal benefit and a brighter tomorrow, probably some kind of xeno mind-control"

[floral herald]

Yeah that stuff was always around some

The actual stupid Tau retcon is the FTL one but everyone just ignores it anyway

Which is how you can tell its stupid as fuck

[naive abyss]

Which retcon is that?

[floral herald]

So originally the Tau basically used computed warp jumps for FTL "skimming" off the warp for safer but slower and shorter ranged hops than the Imperium's navigator+Astronomicon system

And sometime around 8e ish

THe psychic awakening arc iirc

That was retconned to the Tau not actually having FTL and just using nearlight

Which doesn't make any since for their size and speed

[naive abyss]

Wack

[floral herald]

Outside of Nicassar and the disastrous 4th sphere expansion anyway

[naive abyss]

I wonder if that's anything to do with the lov maybe being in dev

[floral herald]

I think it was to support the warp drive error with the 4th sphere incident

[brittle salmon]

?????

[floral herald]

But it was a dumb change since you really need FTL in 40k

[brittle salmon]

What

[floral herald]

Yeah its the really dumb retcon and I've literally never met someone who didn't have this reaction and then just ignored that

[brittle salmon]

If Tau had nearlight good enough compete with warp travel their space combat would be unmatchable

Yeah that's really dumb

[floral herald]

Yeah lol its a huge problem for multiple reasons

[brittle salmon]

I'm also gonna ignore that

[floral herald]

Here's some of the lore for it

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/AL-38_Slipstream_Module

[naive abyss]

I do really love how kin use and interact with the warp Ngl

[floral herald]

Yeah I like that bit for them

[uneven ember]

Yeah, 40K space stuff is stupid but, like, that's stupid stupid.
They can even keep the generation ships/cryo storage! Like, if they're just dipping their toes in the Warp, they can still justify these big, slow colonial trips while still having some kind of interstellar empire.

[uneven ember]

what's their deal?

[naive abyss]

Just treat it like deep sea but space

[naive abyss]

They use slower warp travel but it's very reliable

Like they know exactly when and where they'll end up

[floral herald]

Computed warp jumps but with extra computing

So slow but predictable

[naive abyss]

Also they have like old school dive suits to do treasure hunting in the warp

[uneven ember]

Well, that is the whole thing that 40K does with the IoM.
You have the ocean (warp), you need it for your big empire, so you've gotten good at navigating it but it's always at least kinda iffy, you have an idea of how long it should take but current and weather can be hell, and the chance is never zero that your whole armada gets stuck in the middle of a storm and sinks.

[bright dove]

I love that the Imperium does the most fast and loose method of travel

[naive abyss]

I mean the iom does not treat it like a ocean though

[bright dove]

Like, patently insane and dangerous

[naive abyss]

They treat it like Hell

The kin literally see it as the space equivalent of deep sea weird predator organisms and all

[uneven ember]

Well, it is hell. I just mean in terms of how it winds up working, 40K space is the heavy metal nonsense version of the Age of Sail.

[naive abyss]

I mean it's technically not actually Hell just most people are too superstitious to see it any other way

[floral herald]

I mean its horrible and you'll go there after you die

[bright dove]

Calling it Hell is accurate

[floral herald]

Only part that's missing is that its indifferent to your virtue you're going there no matter what

[solemn gull]

Whats that giant warp storm

[naive abyss]

The great rift

[solemn gull]

Ugh

[floral herald]

Storm of the Emperor's Wrath

[solemn gull]

That is so obvious how did I forget

[uneven ember]

Also, a detail that I loved about the T'au fleets.
One of their BFG ships is a Messenger-class Escort.
They don't have psykers, so they have no FTL communication method except loading up messages on an FTL craft.

[solemn gull]

Still amazed chaos really did cut space in half

[naive abyss]

But yeah either way I'm fond of the kin view on it

It's super distinct

[uneven ember]

That doesn't mean it isn't hell, though, that just means there's no such thing as heaven.

[naive abyss]

Cuz they understand what the warp is but are not superstitious about it

[bright dove]

It's not superstition if it consistently works

[solemn gull]

Yes yes it is

[floral herald]

I mean it is superstition

But the Warp is an antirational superstitious place

[solemn gull]

Correlation doesn’t equal causation

[naive abyss]

It doesn't consistently work though

[solemn gull]

I got to use that phrase

[naive abyss]

Like that's part of the ioms thing nothing they do is consistent

[bright dove]

And there are actually daemons kicking around in the warp

To be fIr

Fair

The warp is not consistent

[naive abyss]

You don't have to be superstitious to recognize the existence of warp entities

[solemn gull]

I mean they aren’t actual demons

Just the word the imperium uses

[floral herald]

I mean, LoV warp travel is consistent, but a Navigator on a good day is ~1000 times faster

Which is important for a literally galaxy spanning empire but scary for pretty much anyone else

[bright dove]

If it looks like a demon, acts like a demon, and calls itself a demon

It's a demon

[solemn gull]

No?

[spice flicker]

So I just heard about the dark angels codex leaks....

[solemn gull]

The chaos servants in 40k are just entities of warp power

Nothing inherently religious to them

[brittle salmon]

The what now

[spice flicker]

The new codex for the dark angels has been leaked and man does it hurt.

[floral herald]

I heard DWK got bonked pretty hard

[spice flicker]

I once considered collecting the first company but I think I'll wait until 11th.

[bright dove]

Their servants actively call them the Dark Gods of Chaos. I don't know how much more religious it gets.

I'd put more credence into the "They're not daemons" thing if so many of them didn't actively refer to themselves as Daemons.

[brittle salmon]

Can you elaborate a bit on the leaks?

[spice flicker]

DW command squads are gone, deathwing knights got bonked big time, Lion's sweep is only d1 and he lost his defensive ability. Concerning the detachments there are only three: the unforgiven from codex astartes, a deathwing focused one which is probably the better one outside of the deathwing terminator spam disappearing, and a ravenwing themed Detachment which is just shoot after advance or fall back.

[floral herald]

I think this is probably fair use?

They're very tough models but they lost a lot of firepower compared to the index

[spice flicker]

Also DW termies lost TH/SS

Current leaks have Lion at 365 points and deathwing knights at 290 and stuck as a 5 man squad.

[solemn gull]

Calling something a god doesnt make it a god

[floral herald]

This is imperial truth cope haha

[uneven ember]

I'm not sure what would distinguish daemons from demons or the Ruinous Powers from "gods."
Like, malevolent entities composed of thought/spirit from a different realm of existence that can enter the material world through ritual summoning or possession, this sounds like a demons to me.

[spice flicker]

#wordbearerswererightallalong

[bright dove]

Again, they consistently refer to themselves as such.

And you know what, I think they're the ones who would know best in that regard.

If the immaterial being from a torturous realm of chaos and strife wants to call itself a demon.

[solemn gull]

Alright then

[bright dove]

I think I'll take its word instead of saying "No, you're just a warp presence"

[uneven ember]

Well, I don't know that we should strictly take the word of demons on whether they're demons.
Demons are nororious liars.

[solemn gull]

Everyone has their own canon

[spice flicker]

I mean Samus seems like a guy worth listening to

[bright dove]

Not everything in the warp is demons, that is correct.

But I'm willing to be the ones that self-identify as demons are.

*bet

[uneven ember]

But for real, I'm joking around, but I am also really interested: what would make them not demons?

[spice flicker]

Enslavers are in the warp and aren't daemons.

Iirc

[bright dove]

Enslavers are not demons, correct.

[bright dove]

Largely it comes down to not being inherently based off of Bad Vibes and inherently wanting to cause harm for harm's sake.

[floral herald]

Psychneuein (lordy what a mouthful) are another non-daemon related warp entity

[bright dove]

Ye.

There's plenty kicking around in the Warp that is 100% not daemons.

Just non-material lifeforms.

[floral herald]

Broadly speaking if its affiliated with one of the gods its a daemon, otherwise its not, the rest is whether you think the powers are gods or not

[bright dove]

But there's also a lot of demons kicking around in the warp.

[uneven ember]

Well, I recognize that "god" is... at least five or six ideas in a trenchcoat, not getting into that one.

[floral herald]

Which is a matter of in universe debate, though it sometimes gets kind of ridiculous like with Fabius

[bright dove]

Fabius and his warp biology nonsense is fun.

[solemn gull]

To be a demon requires religious evil

[bright dove]

I mean. Again, if the Gods of Chaos aren't religious figures

I'm not sure what is.

[solemn gull]

They can be figures of worship and religion but they are not divinity

I see them on the same level as cthulhu

[untold swallow]

Dwemerposting in the chat

So

[bright dove]

Don't compare them to Cthulhu, the fucking sticky cephalopod high priest who got taken out by a steamboat.

[untold swallow]

I think a lot of whether a being is a god comes down to the broad perception of them

In any context rly

[floral herald]

I mean I think that's overly charged language

This isn't really very high stakes

[bright dove]

I mean.

He is a sticky cephalopod high priest who got taken out by a steamboat.

[solemn gull]

I havent read that story which one is that

[bright dove]

Cthulhu ain't a god even in his own thing is the big point.

[solemn gull]

Yes exactly

[floral herald]

The Call of Cthulhu

[bright dove]

But Cthulu is not like the Gods of Chaos.

[solemn gull]

I thought he ignored the boat and went back to sleep

Listen

[bright dove]

The boat drove through his head and popped it.

[floral herald]

Though I think that's a sort of different case because Cthulhu has almost always been characterized as a servant of the gods beyond the stars

[uneven ember]

Yeah but he got better.

[solemn gull]

I’m just saying there are chaos cults in the same way there are cthulu cults

[floral herald]

He dissipated when it hit because the stars weren't right

That's why the POV character wants to go back

[solemn gull]

Hate it when that happens

[bright dove]

Anyways. The likes of Khorne is more like...

Staring Yog-Shogoth in its apporximation of its face

[floral herald]

Oh yeah, that part lines up really well

[bright dove]

And saying "The fact that you embody the entirety of spacetime doesn't mean you're a god"

[floral herald]

Though the chaos gods compare weirdly with the cthulhu mythos because fundamentally they're sapient UXO from the War In Heaven

[solemn gull]

Yog-Sothoth is an actual higher plane entity that can exist in a vacuum of itself

[uneven ember]

No, the POV character is just collecting his dead... uncle's? documents
The uncle was just collecting assorted accounts of Cthulhu following a brief period where people all over the world started going crazy and dreaming the same dream
And the guy on the steamboat just kept fucking going

[floral herald]

Oh right yeah, I forgot how epistolary that story was

[solemn gull]

Chaos gods are sentient egregore

[bright dove]

Khorne is a part of violence and warfare. He can very directly interfere with and cause it in incredibly mystical ways.

[floral herald]

Its dumb to draw balance conclusions from single tourneys but the Black Templars have a 100% win rate at the LVO so far

[bright dove]

He gets epowered by it, and it energizes him like worship.

[floral herald]

wait I misread

But they're still at 60%, with Anvil Siege BTs at 100%

[solemn gull]

I don’t think gods need mortals

[uneven ember]

It's actually a really cool concept, that the guy keeps finding Cthulhu across all of these disconnected cultures who couldn't possibly have exchanged the concept.
Unfortunately it's expressed in that every group that isn't white gets Cthulhu cults showing up so while it's not Howards' most deeply racist work it might be his most comprehensively racist.

[floral herald]

Under that definition the chaos gods only partially qualify

[solemn gull]

The chaos gods rely on mortals like parasites

[floral herald]

They need or at least like worship but thanks to their detachment from causality don't really rely on it

But they do behave as though they need it

[solemn gull]

The warp was an empty space before sentient life

[floral herald]

I'd honestly characterize it as more of a destructive addiction than anything else

[brittle salmon]

Huh, what lists are the Siege BTs running?

[floral herald]

And the chaos gods existed before they were made fucking it up

[solemn gull]

And when there was life without galactic wars it was a nice place

[floral herald]

Not sure I don't have the subscription

For Bestcoast

[brittle salmon]

drat

[solemn gull]

Right because time doesnt exist

In the warp at least

[floral herald]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yQJ5fnh3r9urKfpVtAqv45S43vFIP1Vz83KsYJIrm18/edit#gid=0

I've been poking through the stat check spreadsheet

[floral herald]

Yeah - so you are right but also messed up things can happen, like Slaanesh sending legions into the distant past to participate in the War In Heaven

[solemn gull]

Once they begin existing they will always exist

The warp is constant and can only be chronicalized by how the materium has affected it

[floral herald]

Got curious because I heard people were learning how to run GK competitively and damb

[jaunty dawn]

there's still a like. for lack of a better word, timeline where chaos didn't exist

like there's a bunch of versions of the war in heaven that are simultaneously true

[floral herald]

Yeah the chronology is just messed up

[brittle salmon]

That's genuinely impressive

Wonder what they're bringing

[floral herald]

There's an interesting thing in D&E2 about the light of the emperor shining into a bunch of possible futures except the one described as 40k

[brittle salmon]

(my current theory is allied Knights)

[uneven ember]

And since there was only change, there could be only stagnation and homogeneity, without beginning or end.
So the Changer of the Ways split from the chaos and change sameness, and stability, and continuity, and definition, that change and potential could act on existence and stability.
And so there was a universe, and it filled itself with throngs of dreamers and hopers and acters on the solid world around them, and the three little pretenders rose up against him to struggle forever, and Tzeentch saw that it was good.```

[floral herald]

I can actually look this one up

Knights are there but only a little

And Agents are extremely popular

Probably for cheap back or mid line scoring?

[brittle salmon]

Huh

Yeah, probably, with how expensive your base units are

My biggest question is, what are they bringing to deal with hard targets

[floral herald]

Sadly that's where my lack of bestcoast strikes

Deathwatch is also pulling a 75% winrate but there's only 8 players

[naive abyss]

Wild

[floral herald]

I think there's a lot of skew to the meta here

Just by the numbers there's a shitload of power armor players here

[bright dove]

This does not surprise me.

[brittle salmon]

Astra Militarum where

[bright dove]

Power Armor will always come up.

[floral herald]

They're having a bad fuckin time in Vegas

Some other notable extremes

[brittle salmon]

Oof

[floral herald]

It's also tricky to draw much from here

It's apparently been a very competitive field here so a lot of strong lists are gonna post bad win rates

[bright dove]

The classic of "Is the list bad or are they just up against really good players?"

[bold halo]

the meta of a specific event matters so much, broadly speaking strong lists still have bad matchups

a good chunk of the skill involved in big events is reading the meta ahead of time and picking something that plays well into it

[floral herald]

Yeah its hard for me to read it just by faction winrates too

[bold halo]

can do a postmortem once the whole thing's over but cherrypicking data is a great way to draw incorrect conclusions

[floral herald]

yeah

especially since the tourney isn't even done yet

It's basiccally just R1 numbers and some R2

[bold halo]

the nerf to devastating wounds just happened relatively recently to this event right?

ok autumn 2023

because that's a pretty massive change to how 10th had been played up to that point, old devastating wounds made giant guns with the keyword very strong and large units of infantry very weak to it

[floral herald]

There’s data from after that but it’s still settling

[bold halo]

yeah a lot of things that weren't good under that paradigm will still need to be felt out now that the reign of wraithknight terror is over

[tired cairn]

The change also made the Custodes detachment rule very sad lol

[floral herald]

It was meant to haha

Stodes were top 2 or top 3 at the time

[bold halo]

turns out shoot one high strength single shot gun, kill ten guys is not actually healthy for the game

[floral herald]

Yeah it was super egregious with eldar

The early 10e meta of horrifying firepower and speed eldar being top 1

And then IK who are the only people who can withstand that firepower really

[bold halo]

yeah eldar really got to showcase it by cheating at dice

[floral herald]

And stodes who just beat every other melee army

And then GSC snuck in as the only other army which could get past the power of the rest by cheating at objectives their own way

[dense sedge]

What we’re old deldar like?

[bold halo]

now eldar are wiping their tears with their other extremely powerful units like fuegen

[floral herald]

How old are you thinking?

They’ve always been kind of similar in that they’re a very high speed glass cannon army

[valid brook]

Some of the ugliest minis in citadel history imho

[floral herald]

Also true yeah

Except for a few sculpts they were gross

[uneven ember]

The Raider they fundamentally got right.
Still improved on but "militant Jabba the Hutt barge" was a 10/10 concept for a troop transport.

[floral herald]

Yeah

And the old Talos looks pretty good

[uneven ember]

Yeah, agreed.
Otherwise, yeah, a lot of.. weird segmented designs, kinda blobby styles with a lot of random spikes at all angles.

The redesign, IMO, is a really nice sweet spot where it's a lot more distinct that a lot of the SM/CSM "that, but spikey" direct analogues but the aesthetic is a lot more "Craftworld Eldar with blades on everything" which is a better connection and a much more elegent stylish kind of look

[floral herald]

Yeah

[mental birch]

Excited for the old world

Mostly for the Dammit when will you come out Cathay

Models

[floral herald]

I like how the box is just called “nightmare”

Feat. Edge, Edgge, and Edgy

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

tbh i feel not having the risen fighting night lords was a missed opportunity

i get not wanting to do marine vs marine though

but thats like a storied rivalry

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/19avw27/first_customized_model_ever_and_iam_happy_how_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[naive abyss]

tried my hand at doing my napoleonic guard with the new aux

its a pretty fun look but i think i still prefer the cadians for it

as ref

[pine matrix]

Having these two coming out again side-by-side is real funny to me

[junior robin]

oh man I forgot the never updated the chariot

"Certain other miniatures have been remastered and are changing medium from metal to Forge World resin – the Orc Warboss on Wyvern and **the Orc and Goblin Giant. **" wait, they are recasting the old giant instead of having them use the new plastic one?!

"Classic Ogres"

[ebon forge]

Well I guess you CAN find Dorn's choosen in strange places..

[junior robin]

I wonder, with orc & goblins getting all this old stuff, what chaos and the empire will get. 🤔

feels like the old nurgle/khorne beastmen is a given

[junior robin]

what if we get this back 👀

[thin ibex]

are there tournaments with highlander list rules?

i.e. can only bring 1 of any data card?

obviously some factions just cant do that i think, but its a thought with some of the more expansive armies

[bright dove]

Hard for armies without much Battleline variation

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/20/old-world-almanack-the-orc-and-goblin-tribes/

These two new models look good though they're resin

Also first new named character with a model lol

[junior robin]

love the troll hat

[naive abyss]

I'm shocked the hag came back Ngl

just full on troll titty lol

[junior robin]

ngl, really sad it lost its AoS rules, though I guess its big enough for the generic large trolls

also sneaky metal river troll in the back

[naive abyss]

Also I think a new goblin boss back left?

Either way excited for boar boyz coming back Ngl

Gonna use them for to kitbash squighogs

[junior robin]

seems the shaman in the back is from 8th ed, acording to reddit

yeah, really looking forward to turning them into cyboars

[naive abyss]

It'll be perfect for my krimson boarz who fight my lov lol

[junior robin]

I wonder if they will give us the tall chaos warriors or the really old plastic ones

[bright dove]

God, they look so scrungly.

[floral herald]

…

I just realized some cheap plastic models my dad got me when I was a kid were knockoffs of these

I recognize those helmet shapes

[naive abyss]

Lol

[pastel rampart]

I have almost 50 of these hunchback gorilla mfers and I love them

They do not rank up.

[floral herald]

I hadn't really thought about the non-specialist teams like this before

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

it's also like in the absence of being able to build each team freely having teams that suit a redudancy playstyle is important I think

[pulsar holly]

So what I’m hearing so far with Old World is that it’s gonna be more expensive? With all the resin models?

[floral herald]

Resin is usually cheaper than plastic but its GW pricing

[pulsar holly]

I was told the reason Solar Auxilia was so pricey prior to the new plastic models (and was told this by the guy running the GW shop near me) is because they were resin

[jaunty dawn]

non plastic models are likely to be spensive yeah

not directly because of resin but because of the reason they choose to use resin

lower production volume

[floral herald]

Yeah

It's not the resin that's expensive its the way the economy of scale works out

[pulsar holly]

Suppose it’s a good thing I’ll be watching Old World from afar then

[floral herald]

Resin is a lot cheaper than plastic

[jaunty dawn]

ehh

at scales where you use plastic plastic is cheaper

[floral herald]

But GW pretty much only uses resin for low volume stuff

[jaunty dawn]

but you need to sell enough to make up the molds cost

plastic molds cost more

[floral herald]

Yeah - I just mean in initial setup because plastic moulds are so expensive

You can cast resin in your garage but not realistically plastic

[jaunty dawn]

in terms of raw material resin is pennies and plastic is fraction of pennies

[pulsar holly]

I’m kinda amused that the Imperial reinforcements arrive in the Pariah Nexus (or one of the Nexuses???) just to find out that there’s a big civil war going on amongst the Necrons. Since a certain Storm Lord ain’t happy that the Silent King is back

[floral herald]

The resin solar aux also don't look more expensive than plastics to me

On a per-box basis

[pulsar holly]

I was told that to field a solely Solar Auxilia army is more expensive than using them to supplement an Astartes Legion

[jaunty dawn]

one thing that will make old world somewhat cheaper is much more 20 man boxes

[floral herald]

But Solar Aux is the most expensive HH army to collect because you're fielding like 7 ppm lasrifle dudes not 17 ppm space marines

[pulsar holly]

Because of resin/prices

[jaunty dawn]

it's still gonna be more expensive yeah cause you just physically need more models

[bright dove]

Ah, horde armies.

[floral herald]

And if you're supplementing space marines you're probably buying specialists/tanks iirc

[jaunty dawn]

idk if we've gotten a good look at the plastic auxilia yet but it's likely they're gonna have different details than the original resin

especially the backpacks which were crazy detailed

[naive abyss]

I think the new plastic look good and I'm happy they are coming Ngl

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah https://gyazo.com/eacad0613a7b42cc680a091aab06137e

[past sphinx]

A pathetic amount of drip for an auxillia command squad

Doesn't even rate the comparison

[solemn gull]

idk bro spyglass guy got drip

[past sphinx]

Oh no I'm casting dispersion on the new plastic

I do like their funky little lasguns but man

rat

[bright dove]

Rat!

[naive abyss]

on the note of auxilia i still cant decide if i like this look for my napoleonic guard

it has a certain charm to it but i think the heads feel a bit too out of place and less of the colors i want are here compared to my cadian idea for it

though i definitely am gonna do french colors if i ever do auxilia cuz i like the look of the blue white and red on their armor

[valid brook]

I’d be inclined to carry the blue down to the lower body armor as well, maybe offset that with the pantalon rouge

[naive abyss]

well they arent pantaloons the auxilia wear body suits

my cadian digital kitbash as ref btw

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dKn02e

[valid brook]

« Pantalon rouge », the red uniform trousers introduced just before the July Revolution and worn until the Great War

I see what you mean about the new cadians; I like the white webbing and the red facings on the jacket. Not sure I’m a fan of the red weapons.

[naive abyss]

im going for peak napoleonic like old guard so id not be using pantalon rouge

[naive abyss]

alas not many other colors would work with them cuz black would muddle the colors i feel

and the red weapons give them a dash of retrohammer vibes im sorta fond of

[valid brook]

It’s very old-school but I feel like too much of it distracts from the red facings, which are a very period detail that I dig

Maybe a neutral brown or faux wood grain treatment like the studio used to do with Valhallan lasguns

[obtuse violet]

Still mad about no tyranids in kill team 😡

Still excited for The End and The Death v3 soon 😊

[thin ibex]

You know what one downside to tanks being more properly tanks and infantry largely lacking the tools to effectively engage tanks on uneducated teams?

It's harder to do a mass mechanized force

Like I can't load up 2k points of intercessors or whatever loaded onto inpulsors

And reasonably expect it to be able to tackle heavier stuff

[bright dove]

That's what devastators are for, right?

[floral herald]

The melta gun being bad is such a weird problem for 40K thematically

[naive abyss]

i tried that but the issue then becomes what to do with the chainsword

cuz the wood finish on a chainsword just looks weird to me lol

as ref for the attempt at a wood finish

took a stab at just doing my regiments colors on unmodified auxilia plastics

it looks pretty alright

maybe a bit too close to the menachians though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWwz_vwszc&t=1s

[valid brook]

Really really like how that looks on the lasgun, and honestly a pop of color like that does sorta befit the chainsword as a symbol of office et c

Or for a real old school vibe, hazard stripes chainsword to offset the red and blue on the uniform

Heavy primary color hours

[floral herald]

I think yellow is extremely underrated for that older school look

[naive abyss]

i like hazard stripes but i feel it would be yet another loud color in a loud scheme

[bright dove]

But it's one that really pops out from the rest.

[naive abyss]

fair to me it bugs me and just makes them look inconsistent in their equipment

[naive abyss]

i mean most shades of yellow if introduced in this scheme would just make it look garish to me

on another note does anyone know how the size of basitan carthalos head compares to other stormcast?

cuz i kinda wanna make the model into a lady stormcast but idk i the heads would be too small

this feels weird lol

[floral herald]

Uh… huh

[naive abyss]

like what a bizarre like divisioning of systems/settings

like is this gonna be the wang/soulbound of oldhammer?

cuz if it isnt how are you gonna make the two distinct

[floral herald]

Hmm yeah that might be reasonable

[naive abyss]

its the only thing i can think of to like make the two not super overlap lol

[floral herald]

WHTOWRPG is at least a mouthful to match WHFBRPG

[naive abyss]

i mean its not whfbrpg

battle is only there for the wargame

its whfrp

[dense sedge]

the old world does want a lower power level and different theme than an age of sigmar game tbh

[naive abyss]

i mean yes

but its theoretically a higher power level than whfrp

cuz the worlds in less of a decline at this point in the setting

[floral herald]

I’ve seen people use that one though

[naive abyss]

weird

like battle isnt even in the games name

like the un abbreviated form of its names is warhammer fantasy roleplay

but yeah this is an odd choice especially with them having stated they have active supplements in the work for 4e

but i theoretically am down for a higher powered alternative to 4e for doing more like high fantasy adventure style stuff

[floral herald]

My guess is that people are often pretty inconsistent with abbreviating it and going off of memory

It’s not the norm but is the most amusingly long

[naive abyss]

fair lol

[past sphinx]

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while

I love ya cubical but man you've got weird management

[jaunty dawn]

yeah but the thing here is that they're making an old world game, not just a warhammer fantasy game

they already do whfrp 4e right

so its kinda inch resting that this is not a whfrp 4e setting book for playing old world but a new game entirely

(with the key point here being old world refers to the time period and locale of the whfb reboot)

n frankly I would imagine c7 covering their bases and releasing multiple rpgs/supplements for each license is working since they. keep doing it

[naive abyss]

if it ends up being like the oldhammer wang/souldbound i would be good with it

cuz like theres a space for a somewhat hihger powered baseline game in oldhammer

[past sphinx]

ERE WE GO

[pulsar holly]

Man, I just wanna know when we're getting the Chaos supplement for Soulbound, and the first supplements for Imperium Maledictum

Cubicle 7 please I beg of you, CHILL

[naive abyss]

im very impatiently waiting for the dwarf supplement for whfrp they said was coming

also im copium for a kin supplement for wang or IM

https://vxtwitter.com/HokutoAndy/status/1748776820290294208

[tired cairn]

I wonder when a chaos expansion for wang will come out. At the very least, it'd be nice if the corruption mechanics were expanded on/refined

[floral herald]

The corruption mechanics are the weakest part of the game yeah

[onyx elm]

Something I'm seeing in Wrath & Glory is the massive difference between Tier 1 enemies and Tier 2 archetypes. Even juiced up with extra Ruin and better weapons, a Tier 1 cultist barely makes a dent into a Tier 2 Marine Scout.

[naive abyss]

i think thats sorta the point lol

wang isnt a system for you to be super challenged in allot of standards combats as far as i can tell

its a power fantasy system more or less

[uneven ember]

wait are we calling it "wang" now

I'm on board but this is new on me

[pulsar holly]

Makes me very confused when I see someone saying you can use any imperial archetype for their campaign on StartPlaying and I’m just “Wait…regardless of tier? Oh boy that’s gonna be…. Fun”

Hearing now that the new Old World rpg is gonna be similar to Imperium Maledictum

[naive abyss]

ive alway scalled it that cuz its funny lol

[naive abyss]

wuh

thats odd but i guess 4e doesnt have like the patron systems

assuming thats what it means

[solemn gull]

Yeah I’m playing a T1 character in Dav’s T2 WanG game

Not much has come of it yet

[floral herald]

T1 enemies are just not that threatening

Though I find a lot of what makes people threatening is weapons

[solemn gull]

I wish WanG had a bigger armoury section for stuff like that

I love looking through lists of gadgets from the older FF 40k games

[bold halo]

god most of the gun tables in dark heresy were just like

several dozen lines of identical stats with maybe one value adjusted up or down by 1

[solemn gull]

I know but they were awesome

There was a 1-shot bolt pistol that was just a flare gun with modifications

[bold halo]

my brother made the mistake of giving me an autoshotty one time

so many dice

the combination of full auto AND scatter at short range was wild

[solemn gull]

Twas the spice of life in a Dark Heresy game

[bold halo]

it's one of the handful of times in an rpg I've been like, here, you can have this cool item back, I'm sorry for deleting your boss encounter in one round

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1748709201386320339

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867282213173985290/1198454920504955022/rapidsave.com_i_love_this_stupid_rock-j8mf1uxd6ldc1.mp4?ex=65bef71f&is=65ac821f&hm=b60a63c009b8c3af3384e215115f771329781dbf01529ec8da0c3cf72d0c52db&

[untold swallow]

Our friend rolled a human engineer

so I was half right

sadly he is not a halfling, but he can use a gun

[untold swallow]

Gods

Our Slayer

Is the only one who can fucking read

One of us is an engineer

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/beer-gimli-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-legolas-gif-15090821

when the habitual drunk is the best educated one in the group

[pulsar holly]

Klaus…how did this happen? Did your pa not send you to academy? DID THE ENGINEER YOU APPRENTICE TO NOT BELIEVE IN READING?!

[naive abyss]

pov the group has been handed a paper by a wizard

https://tenor.com/view/dordwyn-ironbottom-dwarf-dwarves-world-of-warcraft-gif-27232724

the wizard be like

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-23918002

like ooc i adore this dynamic

like it was such a great choice to take it for fluff reasons lol

in character though she hates it

also gotta practice the accent again lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51XgQ0IzZ4c

[pulsar holly]

“KLAUS HOW THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN READING THE SCHEMATICS, THE BLUEPRINTS, THIS WHOLE TIME?!”

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[runic swallow]

“Numbers isn’t word boss”

[naive abyss]

lol

the extra funny part is i have the lowest int

i think

[dense sedge]

How and why?

[untold swallow]

Read/Write is a talent that’s not linked to one’s Int score

And her Int is the lowest cuz her character couldn’t give a fuck about it statswise

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/viking-man-leaps-ice-water-gif-12813214525354223849

bjara be like

[untold swallow]

Whereas mine and our friend’s have Int skills

[untold swallow]

GRIMNIIIIIIIIRRRRR!!!!!

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mVGHZqwus

[dense sedge]

Why didn’t the wizard and engineer learn literacy?

[untold swallow]

I

I’m a scout

XD

[dense sedge]

Like slayers can be a lot of things in background, but you’d expect those two groups to read

[untold swallow]

God do I have such a reputation people just assume I play wizards?XD

[naive abyss]

i think anthro misread my mention of a wizard

[untold swallow]

Ah

[naive abyss]

its funny cuz i took it due to her background

and it resulted in the best party dynamic i couldve hoped for

like the drunk half naked dwarf is the only literate one

and thats amazing

[pulsar holly]

Replace the Slayer with an Orc Choppa and that's me

[pulsar cairn]

how did abbadon get his arms back from Trazyn?

also

when you look at him..doesn't look like he got physically corrupted besides getting a bit bigger, how did he managed that?

[wide wind]

He is going the Horus way of just using the gods but not necessarily being interested in some of their "gifts".

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I imagine a system for characters more equipped for like. politicing in the era makes sense too

mass combat rules maybe

[upper canopy]

They'll never do that probably

Since any mass combat thingntheyll just go

"Play Warhammer"

[jaunty dawn]

ehh

i think theres many things mass combat can mean

but yeah to an extent

the thing about just playing warhammer is it means unless you make your own hero rules your characters no longer matter to the outcome

[bitter mortar]

not mine, but

[solemn gull]

Gotta be able to read THE GRUDGE BOOK

[pulsar holly]

Wait but there’s massed combat rules for WHFRP 4E?

[jaunty dawn]

lmao

amazing

[pulsar cairn]

@naive abyss is there a way to get ur name taken out of the grudge book without being killed by the dorfs

like if ya do something really good for them

[naive abyss]

Yes. Cuz not all grudges require violence as is lol

Like it could be as simple as pay the money back with more mundane grudges

[onyx elm]

I consider this how an Ogryn snipes.

[pastel rampart]

Bullet, brick, same thing above a certain speed.

[onyx elm]

Had the thought of an Ogryn or Ogryn's being so good at rock throwing they're able to pitch curve balls, sinkers, screwballs, and fast balls. Rock throwing rendered into an art.

[runic swallow]

Remember, the company mascot will always be an officer rank, making it outrank the average guardsman

[solemn gull]

Sounds pretty lethal

Ogryn launching a microwave at you

[onyx elm]

Somehow the notions of baseball survived into the 41st Millennia. ⚾

[runic swallow]

Randy Johnson as an Ogryn, that’s a scary thought

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1198672030791368824/RDT_20240121_1153578168188333472569710.jpg?ex=65bfc152&is=65ad4c52&hm=62d4235ce18e5ac769c4b64935198ece2a27f8d0e94875917ce708b50b4aaee4&

[solemn gull]

But 40k ified. Power baseball bats

[solemn gull]

Jurgen’s melta is the deus ex machina of those books

[bright dove]

Jurgen is a godsend with that melta.

Dead end? Not anymore!

Necrons? Turns out they don't do well against meltas.

Khorne Berserkers? Also don't do well against them!

(I still like that Ciaphas is actually good at combat, enough so he won a duel against a Khorner Berserker.)

Transhuman dread ain't shit if you've already cleared a genestealer cult, survived a necron tomb ship, and had a run-in with slaaneshi daemon cults and escaped a dark eldar ship.

[pulsar cairn]

if you 40kfy me