Warhammer and Such

[pulsar cairn]

what kind of human operated weaponry can take out a space marine? emplacements also count

[bright dove]

Autocannon

Plasma of any stripe

Meltas

Lascannons and multilasers

Past a certain amount of firepower

It's easy

[naive abyss]

heavy bolter

[bright dove]

Regular bolter

[naive abyss]

ion rifles

[uneven ember]

did we say grenades?

[bright dove]

Not yet, but grenades.

Lasgun in the right spot.

[ebon forge]

I still wonder how the Lion will react with the Imperium

[naive abyss]

in what sense

cuz like hes interacted with bits of it at this point

[dense sedge]

I think he'll see it negatively but not as badly as Guliliman sees it

[ebon forge]

Have the same understanding as G-man has of current imperium
Like the religious side

[untold swallow]

"My dad?"

"You made my dad into God?"

"Why????"

[pulsar cairn]

[dense sedge]

HERES--
(shuts up when Lion turns to him)

[naive abyss]

lion probably would like be annoyed at the corruption of the imperial truth

[floral herald]

He was handling it pretty well in Son of the Forest

Though that was less the Imperium and more planets in it since I don’t think he’s made it out of the Imperium Nihilus so far

So far it’s been “damn this is kinda fucked up, reminds me of the Horus heresy except I’m old and less rash”

“Also what the fuck was those blood angels problem???”

(He found some in the throes of the black rage)

[ebon forge]

ohno

[floral herald]

They were ||prisoners chaos space marines were experimenting on|| but he didn’t realize why they were like that

[dense sedge]

blood angels are cool, I wonder when we'll get new death company

[floral herald]

I suspect we won’t get new death company firstborn but will get primaris death company now that they’re succumbing as well

(I also don’t think firstborn dcoy need an update atm)

But we do need proper primaris dcoy imo

These are nowhere near as cool

[pulsar cairn]

who are they fighting

eldar?

[floral herald]

Wyches

[pulsar cairn]

wyches?

[dense sedge]

so you just paint primaris black?

[floral herald]

Yeah same as back before dcoy had models

They were just blood angels painted black with the red X

[bold halo]

death company not wearing jump packs makes me uncomfortable

[floral herald]

Which was a unit symbol and also a symbolic mark showing the wounds of Sanguinius when he fought Horus

[bold halo]

how are they supposed to get in there if they can't nyoom

[floral herald]

(And often red cords to also symbolize that, but it’s not paintwork)

Yeah they’re hallucinating having wings it’s fucked up if they can’t fly

[uneven ember]

then we'd coat the whole model in Delvan Mud, as was the stye at the time

[dense sedge]

fair enough honestly

[bold halo]

rip my kill team salvation preorder is delayed because the store hasn't actually received their new release stock for the week yet

[floral herald]

Rip

[bold halo]

eta is "some time next week"

[floral herald]

Oh hey the Warhammer open is in about a week

which means more KT news

[dense sedge]

if the rumors are true it's mandrakes vs night lords

[floral herald]

We’ll find out

The rumors have been reasonably accurate but there’s been some real twists like beastmen

[bold halo]

I just want to know when the eldar codex is coming out as if that impacts me in any way other than wanting to read it

[thin ibex]

You know I kinda wish the space marines gladiator line had a canon version, despite thinking the reaper is cool

Mostly cause I think the predator autocannon is neat

[runic swallow]

Who doesn’t like 20mm going thud thud thud thud?

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ1hXhOses0

ngl i never realized how much krige fighting daemons sorta visually goes hard but it definitely goes hard imo

like man im here for this energy

[solemn gull]

ride swift

[pulsar holly]

Wound up making my Halfling a Coachman, since Badger Rider was ruled out. Only thing I'm struggling with is since the party and gm wanted to roll and let the dice determine age...wrapping my head around being a 47 year old Postilion. GM said Halflings aged slower, and so that's young for a Halfling since they also live til 120...but I haven't seen anything about physically aging slower. So struggling a little. Especially since I envisioned this character being a younger member of the group

[solemn gull]

they work off hobit rules so yeah they age slower physically

50-60 is their middle age

[pulsar holly]

Ahh

[uneven ember]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDv8puYWQAAufzt?format=jpg&name=360x360
bwood fow the bwood god!

[thin ibex]

Trying to make a super chaos carnival demon list, but 4 greater demons doesn't leave a lot of room

for creative stuff

4 demons just sounds fun

4 greater demons*

and they're all fairly killy

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/wWb_cQ2QMbE?si=isDJcpWN-DtekgC4

[brittle salmon]

This is entirely correct and how it happened

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/PaintMiniature/status/1746418356943573131

[pine matrix]

I'm re-reading Path of the Warrior and man, Korlandril is such a dick head

It's really hitting me how self-centred and selfish he is, convinced he is just built different

[pulsar holly]

That's gotta be an odd experience, having a childhood and adolescence that last longer than humans. At least to me it must be x-x

[solemn gull]

I mean frodo was like 40 when he went on the quest

[pulsar holly]

Fuck, I forgot about that

[naive abyss]

man i just remebered the only sob 40k game we got was that janky vr game

which is a bummer cuz in a vacumn without vr id be so here for a sob fps

[dense sedge]

it is a very warhammer vibe yeah

krieg vibes are just peak 40k, it's a big part of why they became so popular

[pulsar holly]

I'd love for a Tau FPS game...damn shame we never had one before
Or an Imperial Guard FPS that's kinda akin to the Battlefield games maybe.

[naive abyss]

for guard i want like a genuine like coh style rts campaign game

i know dow2 shares coh dna but i want it more had in line with coh for guard lol

that or a sniping game

cuz i love the idea of being a guard sniper trying to content with tau and eldar

big underdog sniper vibes

also cuz i thing long lasguns look cool

[quaint compass]

WARHAMMER 40000: ONLY WAR
RATLING

[naive abyss]

it could be a ratling game yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7aFEF5_JBw

[naive abyss]

random but some blanche art of dorfs i saw that i dig

[naive abyss]

so apparently the new eldar supplement has some black eldar art which is cool

[bright dove]

Nice.

I have to say, the Orruks over in AoS look fun. I think I like this list.

[naive abyss]

one thing ill always say about aos is i adore the gloomspite

[bright dove]

Brutes in particular make me happy

[naive abyss]

like to the point that i wish i could one for one do them in oldhammer rules

[bright dove]

Ye, fair.

[naive abyss]

like you can get pretty close in oldhamemr i think

but some of the fluff defintely ends having to be tweaked

on another note im super excited for the dwarf supplement for whfrp 4e ngl

cuz they are finally bringing forward runesmith stuff i think

[bright dove]

I do like that Orruks give you a good reason to include a lot of leaders

Which is odd to say in relation to 'em in some ways

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[bright dove]

But also unga bunga

[naive abyss]

lol

[naive abyss]

already edited together a art ref for my idea for a lady dorf runesmith

the rune on the eyepatch is the runesmith rune for ref

[past sphinx]

interesting that their like, purple

[naive abyss]

?

idk if theyre purple

theyre just ashy ebon black

witha purple light source on them

[floral herald]

Yeah I think that’s just an intense purple light on the right side

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

[past sphinx]

hmm true

i think its just an unnatural tone

witch admittedly would fit the eldar

[naive abyss]

i mean

[floral herald]

That was weirdly quick haha

[past sphinx]

AH FUCK ITS ASHY LARRY THE ELF

[floral herald]

Like a perfect example image

[naive abyss]

yeah i was looking for ashy black cuz i know what that looks like

[past sphinx]

yeah that nails it

[naive abyss]

and i admittely got gifs of this dude being hit with purple light

its wild

i think hes from a chappele skit or something

but yeah

like hilariously direct and good example

[past sphinx]

american dice rollers championship i know it well

[naive abyss]

like the only thing with the art im a bit eye squinting on is the lips

but that shade does exist for lips and also it could be lipstick lol

so im disinclined to think the worst especially since c7 has a pretty stellar track record as far as i know

[floral herald]

Eldar do always have war-makeup

[naive abyss]

yeah thats part of my thoughts on it

[floral herald]

It’s like a layer for the warmask but it’s not really elaborated on

[naive abyss]

also they have other examples of black rep so it hink its either just lip coloration or makeup

the myrmidia warpriestesss slaps btw

kickass art

[floral herald]

warmasks are just eldar warsonas send tweet

[past sphinx]

that fucks pretty hard

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/malinda-yourenotwrong-notwrong-wrong-right-gif-19187634

tbh though im still chortling at how fast and how direct an example i found for the whole lighting thing

like bizarrely perfect example

[thin ibex]

I love their waaagh rule

[floral herald]

Yeah it was so fast haha

[bright dove]

The Waaagh! is indeed good.

You can get stuff stacking quickly.

[pulsar holly]

I gotta figure out a reference or two for my Halfling, my 3'4" feminine enby Halfling postilion just realizing finding a reference might be a little tough if I don't want to lean a little more cutesy (Well not cutesy but that's the best word I can come up for it) like Paizo's halflings.

Just glad I'm not in a group where the GM is pushing me to use AI. I'd Mcfucking lose it if I had to deal with that again.

So do Halflings tend to do well or alright in ranged combat?

[past sphinx]

Dont fuck with a halfling with a sling staff

[pulsar holly]

What about a whip, or firearms?

[uneven ember]

I presume that they'd be good with firearms, if they were available.
You don't need to worry about reach disadvantage with .38

[pulsar holly]

Well Coachman at second rank get access to a blunderbuss, then a pistol once they become a Coach Master.

But you start with a whip as a Postilion

[past sphinx]

hard to be good with a rifle if you arms arent long enough to tip shot down the barrel lmao

[pulsar holly]

That's okay I sawed off some length of the barrel. We good now

[valid brook]

All the more imperative to develop metallic cartridge breechloaders

[uneven ember]

talking about RPG halflings, I feel like I bring this up every time, but I love the Boromar clan in Eberon.

So, in Eberon's default "home city" of Sharn, the largest group is human and the second-largest group is halflings. They are, as one would expect from halflings; largely working-class, domestic, tight-knit. Organized into extended families with extensive and long-standing connections and relations.
Among the most prominent of these families is the Boromar Clan. Saidan Boromar and his family are respected by the highest levels of the city government, with members on the city council and mercantile organizations. They run a number of legitimate businesses and have many friends, and certainly there is no cause to worry on the topic of the family fortune any further. Should anyone, particularly any of Sharn's halfling population, have cause for trouble or concern, meeting with Saidan is quite likely to result in some favor to correct this problem, so long as you understand that, should the day come when Mister Boromar asks you for a favor in return, he expects it to be granted in the spirit of friendship and gratitude.

And it is always in your interest to maintain the spirit of friendship and gratitude with the Boromar Clan. Finding yourself in a spirit of unkindness or emnity with them is likely to prove... unwise.

[past sphinx]

old halfling lore was fucking rad

i have my book of the five shires around here somewhere and i love that book to death

but i love most of mystara

makes me very sad that they have ended up as just kinda short humans

[uneven ember]

Yeah.
(And one of three at that...)

I never really got into Mystara, what was their Deal there?

[past sphinx]

its fantasy earth in a way, trying to fit cultures people understand and recontexualize them into a fantasy world

albiet with things like rome and 1700s ish werewolf infested scotland being alongside each other

the hen in this case and the veit fucking cong

the shires have survived roughly 5 military occupations, dwarves orks humans elves every has had their go and the Hen have shanked their way out of it every time and the shire knows

[pulsar holly]

Kinda like how one of the Halfling clans of the Reiklands, the Hollyfoot, have started agitating and speaking out against the increasing industrialization of the fabric industry. Since they're not a fan of the new steam-looms in Altdorf and Nuln and the threat that represents to their longstanding history in the industry.

[past sphinx]

damned fine adventurers, pretty much any hen you meet has some amount of adventurer levels its part of the culture to go out and do some stabbing or mercinary work in your youth so you'll know how to fight if the shires get invaded again

that and the shires are sort of alive in their own way, those who are unwelcome or wishing to do harm sort of always end up getting lost in the winding paths and golden fields

and the shires love the halfings so much that any halfing from anywhere while in the shires bounds can straight up dispell magic cast by wizards

[uneven ember]

Oh yeah, that is pretty cool
I never got into Mystara back in my big D&D days, nothing against it just kinda... IDK, started with Dragonlance, & when I checked out new settings I mostly went with the really weird ones.

[past sphinx]

what if i told you that mystara was formed from human refugees from a starship that crashed called The Beagle

and now the wizard of blackrock use the ancient radioactive glow from when blackrock kinda blew up to fuel their magic

mystara is full of weird shit it just doesnt label it on the tin

[uneven ember]

Okay that kind of rules.
I am legitimatey a bit bummed that I kind of wrote it off as "another D&Dism" while it was out, back when TSR was supporting that kind of thing.

[pulsar cairn]

you guys know any less known joky moments from 40k ?

[naive abyss]

how do you mean?

[pulsar cairn]

tell me something about 40k that you find funny

i know most of the ork ones

are those the only ones?

[naive abyss]

nah

one i find funny is when perty tricked the lion into giving him some ordinatus shit during the HH

[past sphinx]

house cats are considered a very strange thing to own and hard to explain that "yes i have a miniature lion living with me"

[pulsar cairn]

i didn't know cats still existed

[bright dove]

Ciaphas Cain novels establishing there's war movies and shows.

[uneven ember]

(Escher in Necromunda has a lot of cat-ish alien pets, which of course aren't quite the same thing.)

BobbyG said that an Astartes should contemplate the magnitude of his duty at his leisure, but must be prepared always to act when required. Rather than being understood as an instruction to not allow introspection to interfere with duty, for 10000 years Chapter Masters have debated whether this should be taken as instruction by a Primarch to provide Astartes with as much as fifteen minutes of leisure time or whether that is a dangerous and counterproductive indulgence.

The Ministorium has holy texts including Fourth Abhorrances and Seventh Indoctrinations.

The Rainbow Warriors are a Space Marine Chapter named after a ship owned by Greenpeace that was sunk by French soldiers while protesting nuclear weapons testing, killing one of the crew.

The reign of Goge Vandaire, a tyrant so ridiculously over-the-top that even the IoM calls his tenure "the Reign of Blood" and would up triggering a massive Imperial war that would lead to the restructuring of the Ecclisiarchy, was finally confronted and deposed by his own bodyguards after they had visited the Emperor of Mankind himself on the Golden Throne, plenty of sources give Dominica's big speech about how he cannot be allowed to live, but in its original presentation his last words were "I don't have time to die, I'm too busy."

[torn arrow]

Caine is a wonderful vein of many satirical 40k facts

such as the fact that a common kids song is 'The Tracks on the Land Raider crush the Heretic'

(to the tune of 'the wheels on the bus')

[uneven ember]

that is great

Oh: one of the Guardsman updates was about how they were introducing Canid forms into the units.
The Canids were given an officer rank, to avoid any possibility of the soldiers misunderstanding exactly what value they have compared to the mascot.
Any Guardsman who was given intelligible orders by one of their Canid officers was under instruction to give a full account of it to a member of the Commissariat, immediately upon completing whatever orders were given.

[untold swallow]

I am playing a wood elf pit fighter in 4e wfrp soon

it will be quite fun lol

maybe not a pit fighter, maybe a bounty hunter

idk

some sort of socially inclined warrior

[past sphinx]

given that would elves are somewhat bugnuts insane id imagine an arena would make one quite popular to the layperson

[untold swallow]

Her Reikland name is gonna be Saveena the Wardancer and it's gonna piss her off to no end behind closed doors because the mayflies obviously have no idea what it means

[naive abyss]

gods youre entirely gonna have her talk like whats her face arent you

[past sphinx]

MAE FELYS DEW YA NEUT SEE THAT RATLING GUUN

[pine matrix]

Really love this bit, grouchy old exarch souls bickering over training techniques

[uneven ember]

hah
I dig it

[pine matrix]

I am now remembering this being my favourite part of the book

[pulsar holly]

I'd like to think my Halfling has either the strongest Welsh accent (Northern Welsh probably), or like the strongest Cork or West Cork accent

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bXlf6rrFIE

[upper canopy]

Oh did they release that Tier 5 book for W&G?

[naive abyss]

the eldar one?

[upper canopy]

Nah there was one for specific Tier 5 rules

and now the Eldar book also has Tier 5

[thin ibex]

I think so, cause the character creator allows t5

[brittle salmon]

Always did, boss

But there were no T5 archetypes in core

[upper canopy]

I'm fairly certain T4 was the top

in core

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfLkuslDV1w

[floral herald]

AIUI you're both right - the Ulisses Spiele core book mentions T5 but has no archetypes

The C7 version does not

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xay1089sp50

[untold swallow]

how much should one worry about like, role coverage in wfrp?

[mental birch]

The sisters of battle have the asthetics they do because of the rainbow warriors

[uneven ember]

The Fleur de Lys & Sister Sin

[naive abyss]

zero percent

[naive abyss]

considering your average group rolls and ends up with "rat catcher, bum fuck mcgee, one who can kinda use a sword"

[mental birch]

What's the most French thing possible

Clearly the fleur de lis

[desert jay]

My WHFRP party was 4 rat catchers and 1 hedge witch, and only because I specifically wanted to play a caster

It was great, I rolled perils one time and curdled a sewer

[pulsar holly]

To be fair, you don’t have to go with the first roll, nor the two options that the second roll gives. If you don’t like any of them you can just choose and take the 0 bonus xp

[ebon forge]

"The dirty little gitz also had a nasty habit of aiming, instead of pulling the trigger and letting Gork and Mork decide what would land where, as was right and proper."
D-
Does that mean Ork Snipers don't really aim that much?

[pulsar cairn]

i heard their scopes don't even work

they just think it looks snazzy

[wintry mist]

ork snipers are usually not very well liked because they are stealthy

[pulsar cairn]

gits

[jaunty dawn]

the kommando with a sniper is using a big shoota as his weapon so pretty much yeah

[ebon forge]

God I -
Love Orks so fucking much

[ebon forge]

Shoots 6 times to try and hit target

A 3+ for a Ork is impressive tho
In comparison to the Veteran Guardsman sniper being
4 2+ 3/3 with MW3

[jaunty dawn]

mechanically it's more like

a flamer

that trades 1 bs for not being range limied

and has to use both actions to get torrent

[verbal ermine]

Do you think there are gay space marines 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

probably at least as many as there are straight marines

[ebon forge]

100%
VERY Close brothers

[verbal ermine]

Nice

[ebon forge]

But I don't think they would, like
Hold hand or kiss
Just like to stay very close to one another

Hell if Ad-Mech can have that, so does Spezz Marinzz

The Real question is
Does the T'au gov. allow homosexual couples?

I know the Imperium does not give a fuck, thankfully, so they have that over the Christians

.
In Universe T'Au Gunpla

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/Mp_miniatures/status/1746637118443503621

[ebon forge]

Spider

[pulsar cairn]

[ebon forge]

‘Dat was a… strateejik wivdrawal.’

Reading Ork dialog is an info hazard i swear

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/K_Iragana_A/status/1746884853923303913

[mental birch]

So wait

Ork sniper rifle

[pulsar cairn]

hehe

pretty much

[ebon forge]

Excuse you
Alpharius should be in Girlfailure

"BROTHER!
i know I been lying NON STOP SINCE YOU KNOW ME
But listen
After killing a fuckton of your sons, I have a PLAN TO SAVE THE IMPERIUM
.
.
.
BROTHER WHY DID YOU KILL ME, THE PLAN!"

He should had done that with Vulkan, not Dorn

[bright dove]

Why is Peturabo over in girlfailure?

The man hardcarried.

[ebon forge]

Exactly

He went Turbo all over the Heresy

[upper canopy]

He's a massive girlfailure

Also sorry but Kristina's always right.

[pulsar cairn]

is Kurz just an outlier?

[upper canopy]

No it's just the Babygirl/Girlfailure corner is incredibly cramped

[pulsar cairn]

lmao

[thin ibex]

i love the fan conspiracy theory that alpharius actually killed dorn and impersonated him

[pulsar cairn]

.w.

that would be...scary

[thin ibex]

theres not a whole lot to really support it, but it a delicious idea narratively

[pulsar cairn]

specially since we were nerver certain of his intentions

i wish we had more interactions between the 2 tho

they hated each other's guts

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvTkbXzEhNg

[upper canopy]

Reading through the Eldar book and oh my god the Tier 5 Archtypes are fucking bonker nutso

[pine matrix]

Ooo like what?

[pine matrix]

Also those CSM are not at peace or in charge of their own destiny

[upper canopy]

https://i.imgur.com/JZPg78R.png

This is the Archon ability

and all the others are just as nuts

[pine matrix]

Archons stay winning

[upper canopy]

Actually wait no

That's Autarch

not Archon

https://i.imgur.com/1XjLdoS.png

This is Archon

[unreal cosmos]

I have a lore question that's... pretty out there, not something I'd try to implement in the wargame, but something that I was thinking could be fun as a unique, big-deal Problem for one of the RPGs

||Is it theoretically possible to get a Black Templar who manifests the same "holy powers" as some Sisters of Battle, or even a Living Saint?||

[upper canopy]

||Theoretically probably, it's just never really happened before with Space Marines. Probably because there's no reason to in or out of universe.
I mean the legion of the damned is basically like that already.||

[unreal cosmos]

That's a good point. It came to mind because I wanted something big, scary, and Imperial for a W&G team to deal with, though it would also be "fun" to see Imperium Maledictum having that dumped on their lap.

[upper canopy]

Really want to play an Exarch who gets turned into an Avatar of Khaine now

Desire this greatly

[unreal cosmos]

ooooh

[floral herald]

My gut feeling is ||no because of the psychic damage the Cacodominus cursed the Black Templars with|| but ||it’s a cool idea and 40K is a universe of exceptions||

[unreal cosmos]

Mind elaborating on that first part?

[floral herald]

So ||when the black Templars killed the ultra-powerful alien cyborg in M34 its psychic scream, in addition to burning out astropaths and distorting the Astronomicon supposedly damaged the Templar’s gene-seed so they it was unable to work on psykers. This being one of the reasons they can’t field librarians apparently. Not just hatred but also cope I guess||

I think this is a sort of in-universe rumor so feel free to disregard

[unreal cosmos]

Gotcha.

[mental birch]

So that's anti tank sorted right?

Hahaha

[still warren]

Hey are there any rumblings of a new edition of aos coming out soon? I've been thinking of getting into it since the new cities models came out. I really like the look of the fusiliers

[jaunty dawn]

I think based on the three year cycle 4.0 is likely to come this year yeah

[ebon forge]

Wrath & Glory?

[upper canopy]

ya

[jaunty dawn]

sometime after dawnbringer chronicles finishes

probably summerish

[ebon forge]

Hey nice, when you have an empty slot I would love to give it a shot

[upper canopy]

I ain't running nuffin

[ebon forge]

fair

[tepid stratus]

Yeah AOS editions tend to be summer releases

[dense sedge]

What are the tier 5 drukhari options?

[upper canopy]

Succubus and Archon

If you want the abilities

I am laying down for a nap I think

So it will have to wait

[ebon forge]

Any tier 5 Ork options?

[upper canopy]

There is no ork book

[ebon forge]

fair

[proud wing]

orks no need buk

orks just use starfinder rules and make it work

[dense sedge]

Aww, no Haemonculi? Those are my favourite of the three

[upper canopy]

They are playable

They just aren't tier 5

[dense sedge]

Not sure why they separated the 3 hqs

[upper canopy]

Well a Haemonculi is sorta socially the same but like

Isn't on the same level in terms of ability

[dense sedge]

I feel like they’re ability to make monsters makes up for that

[quaint compass]

W&G generally divide the tiers by personal combat ability/gear

[ebon forge]

I am already glad Orks is playable
Unlike in the Warhammer Fantasy TTPRPG

[uneven ember]

Space Marines are the gayest thing anyone has ever written about.
Just one thousand of the beefiest, manliest dudes in the galaxy in their "Manly Dudes" no girls allowed clubhouse doing nothing but pump irons and get gains and play with swords and guns and talk about the fierce battle-forged bonds forged in the fires of battle with their sworn companions, all united in that they've received the geneseed of one of the manliest men to ever have existed.

[valid brook]

Not my fault that James Workshop hasn’t had the cojones to explore how homoerotic space marines are as a concept since like 1999

[uneven ember]

I mean not specifically but it's always going on.
Space Marines' ambient homoeroticism makes Top Gun look like Middling Gun At Best.

Compared to them 300 is Seven And A Half

[floral herald]

I think it might be more like 3 and a third compared with 300 :p

[upper canopy]

Fake fan spotted

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/warhammer-dance.thumbnail.jpg

[uneven ember]

that was 94 tho

[upper canopy]

It's eternal

Is what it is

[uneven ember]

(My theory of comedy is that high single-digit numbers are funnier than low single-digits, just like fractions are funnier than decimals.)

[valid brook]

Ian Watson’s “Space Marine” came out in ‘93 and that’s the canonical example of it (ie homoeroticum astartes) appearing in The Text

imho

[floral herald]

(I'm just making a 1000 marines in a chapter joke)

[uneven ember]

& also, IDK if this is still a thing, but back in the day "Ork Snipers" was kind of a gag in part of the fandom.
See, one of the Chapters involved on Armageddon, the Celestial Lions, had gotten into some fights with the Inquisition, and wound up taking terrible losses caused by bad intelligence followed by having the Chapter's entire Apothecary corps wiped out by... "ork snipers."

[floral herald]

Very much still a thing but its more explicit that they weren't orks

But yeah "ork snipers" is a great euphemism for the Inquisitions little green men

[uneven ember]

So "ork snipers" became a joke with the implication that it means "it is blatantly obvious that I am lying, but if you acknowledge that there's a pretty good chance you'll wind up with an 'ork sniper' problem in the near future."

"Ork snipers" as a half-step removed from "maybe his head just did that."

[ebon forge]

.
Christ

But no, they are a real unit un Kill Team

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1161696278640594954/1196437615717650543/0kXPgz744HcxY9aP.jpg?ex=65b7a05c&is=65a52b5c&hm=9f1e4df775c9644ae12d17442c1bf55a6a4b80199c6a85752234de58f09b2ab3&

But yes I do agree, that barrel don't inspire much confiddence in the 'accuracy' department

[junior robin]

they also sent a assassin to decapitate their chapter master after the rift was formed

while he had a meeting with the chapter master of the emperor's spears

[ebon forge]

ah yes
The Kurtz method

[uneven ember]

You called?

[ebon forge]

NO
I AM NOT READING THE NIGHT LORD OMNIBUS AGAIN
STOP

Should I read now Warboss or Da Gobbo's Revenge?

[untold swallow]

I'm realizing my goal for this wood elf in wfrp is to just make

a warhammer fantasy version of Courier Six

[ebon forge]

WHAT

EXPLAIN YOURSELF

[mental birch]

Makes sense

[tired cairn]

It's the opposite

What happens in Barbie land reverberates into real life

[floral herald]

This isn't true the portal to the warp on earth is in the Himalayas not SoCal

[naive abyss]

this modesl fun but its super obvious its an dold sculpt lol

for both good and ill

[thin ibex]

it looks like a lotr modwl

[naive abyss]

i love you rhi but im unsure unhow to read this other than "the wood elf shall be a self insert" which is valid but idk how else to read it lol

[naive abyss]

i mean eh?

nothing in lotr looks like that really

between the helmet and the fleur de lys its very obviously brett

[untold swallow]

While fair, I sort of more meant she has the attitude of 'if you steal my package I will brutally fucking murder you'

and is going to be somewhat unsettlingly good at that for

a mailwoman

[naive abyss]

i

fair?

[jaunty dawn]

will rise from the grave to get back package

[ebon forge]

Eisenhorn Omnibus is good for people with 0 40k knowledge?

[naive abyss]

also man the companions look good with the lion ngl

[ebon forge]

Lion looks great

[naive abyss]

my fave is still his hooded helmet

[untold swallow]

I wonder if he intentionally looks kind of like Tywin Lannister lmao

[naive abyss]

to an exten probably

but its also very much just him aged up

[untold swallow]

Charles Dance would be a good voice for him tbh

[naive abyss]

for ref this is art of him during the HH

hes ironically like one of the only primarchs shown with facial hair

[thin ibex]

still weirds me out that leman isnt a bearded lad

[naive abyss]

him and the khan

[naive abyss]

dorn looks incorrect without the muttons

just completely this is not my son vibes

also i continue to way prefer the HH og colors for DA

and im glad gw has given me a hilariously generous in for my ideas to make that make sense lore wise for my DA lol

[ebon forge]

Have you see his toy doll? His hair is so off

Looks like a midnight show host

[proud wing]

The Warp is unironically just The Nether

[jaunty dawn]

from minecraft?

[proud wing]

it's a separate dimension you can use to travel vast distances in much less time than it would otherwise take you

[naive abyss]

i feel the egg and the chicken have been placed in the wrong order here lol

[proud wing]

but it's full of strange hostile creatures

and is hell

[proud wing]

nah i'm pretty sure hatsune miku invented minecraft before she made warhammer

[ebon forge]

I still can't believe how Jerma fucked up their collab, such an amateur

[valid brook]

fuckin FCs, man

Big navy really said “we have invented a rate just for nerds. send us your biggest nerds only”

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/2966ov

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1746936614985572525

[uneven ember]

I have been saying this forever.
And also, like. I spend an absurd amount of time on my internet-box. I have no meaningful understanding of how it works. If it stops working I perform the ritual of Turn It Off And On Again, which usually works. If it keeps not working I bring the box to a techgnostic initiate to make it work again.

I'm pretty sure it's not Machine Spirits but if you told me it was I could not meaningfully dispute it.

[wintry mist]

Yes

[ebon forge]

Perfect

[upper canopy]

The T'au gov technically doesn't allow couples at all

Children are comunally raised.

[uneven ember]

That doesn't exclude having a main squeeze tho.

[solemn gull]

Especially ultramarines

[wintry mist]

they absolutely do, but kids and reproduction is a matter of the state

the tau Tali'serra is supposedly analogous to marriage

[uneven ember]

But yeah I figure they're all about freedom and equality as long as you're a loyal servant of the state.

[wintry mist]

(the bonding knife thing)

[uneven ember]

I'd honestly rate both * Angels legions as even more so, for their own reasons

[solemn gull]

Isn’t that just the group bond thing fire caste do?

[wintry mist]

everyone in tau society does it

(well, can do it)

it's more prominent with the fire caste because of the shared trauma and experiences and comradery

[solemn gull]

I always imagined it like “we are blood brothers now”

[floral herald]

T'au

[solemn gull]

Like when the cat and egg did it

[wintry mist]

it can be

idk if the tau particularly have like, romantic interest the same way we do

[solemn gull]

I think they do from one of the books about farsight I read

[wintry mist]

but they make direct vows and stuff to each other (plural, because it can be many people bonded with one knife)

[unreal cosmos]

polyamorous combat marriages are why I started collecting them

[floral herald]

It's a cool bit of detail

[upper canopy]

I wish it came up more

in fact I wish all of Puretide's students had been knife-married

because then they'd be knife-divorced now

and I find that an incredibly funny character dynamic

[ebon forge]

To divorse you must 100% heal that scar

[floral herald]

It's these two pics for me

[valid brook]

yooooo the 3.5e codex csm cover piece really does go Hard As Fuck

Karl Kopinski the 🐐 of all time fr fr

[floral herald]

honestly yeah

I probably would not have been drawn into 40k anywhere near as much without Karl Kopinski's stuff in the 4e books I was looking at

[tired cairn]

In my experience, knowing how the internet functions only decreases understanding of why it works lol

[valid brook]

Kopinski still has a death grip on my ass; I just spent more than I ever have on a single 28mm mini to score the new wh+ Ksarkin sergeant off ebay

Solely because he’s based on that one piece from the 4e codex: imperial guard

[uneven ember]

More Blanche Grossness.

[pine matrix]

Like honestly what the fuck is going on with the central guy's helmet in the second image, utter insanity I love it

[floral herald]

It's great his gorget has a villainous mustache

[pulsar holly]

I know you're not dissing Perturabo like this D:<

[pulsar holly]

The Khan has the most glorious mustache

[upper canopy]

Perturabo is like the most girlfailure of the entire primarch lineup

cannot think of a single one who is more girlfailure

[pulsar holly]

And then there's Magnus

Tsk tsk tsk

[upper canopy]

Perturabo is way more of a failgirl than Magnus

[untold swallow]

magnus did all the things wrong

[upper canopy]

Magnus had half the Primarchs actually agree he was right about psykers

and the half that agreed with him were the smart ones everyone liked

[jaunty dawn]

lorgar in girlfailure????

[naive abyss]

lorgar is absolutely a girlfailure lol

[jaunty dawn]

lorgar gaslight gatekeep girlbossed the entire heresy

[naive abyss]

ehhh?

its more like he sadly started listening to erebus tried to take command of heresy failed horribly got bonked and then screeched "im not owned" while yeeting shit at ultramar

like if anyone girlbossed the heresy it was perty

[jaunty dawn]

he failed to take out horus yes

[bright dove]

Perty hard carried the heresy

[jaunty dawn]

yeah but lorgar is why there was a heresy to carry

[naive abyss]

i mean no

thats on erebus

and pals

[jaunty dawn]

I mean erebus doesn't have chart privaleges

[bright dove]

Without Perturabo, you basically have the least stable Primarchs to carry things out

[naive abyss]

itd basically be horus desperately trying to leash angron and fulgrim away from each other so they dont constantly keep murdeirng each other, while lorgar is just screeching/crying while trying to throw shit at gulliman, like magnus would try to give a helping hand but then his hands would keep randomly turning into tentacles/catching on fire, meanwhile the smelly lads would be competing with the night lords for who could commit the more creative planetary genocides, and all this while he has to keep alpharius from stealing his wallet lol

[bright dove]

So it's those jokers running interference

While Perty and Horus have to keep their eyes on the prize

[naive abyss]

also this is all while he keeps being force fed magic steroids constantly lol

[upper canopy]

He hard carried the side that lost

GIrlfailure.

[bright dove]

Look

There's only so much you can do when there's a plan set up so your side is going to lose

The Heresy arguably never gets to Terra without him

[upper canopy]

I mean he coulda won if he had charisma or the ability to get anyone that existed anywhere to listen to him once.

[jaunty dawn]

I mean I don't think they could really afford to lose anyone before they got to terra

[pastel rampart]

The Heresy losing had nothing to do with Perty's efforts tbh, that's all on most of the other traitor primarchs having various kinds of meltdowns.

[bright dove]

You try getting Angron or Konrad Kurze to listen to reason

[glossy vapor]

I really find it intresting how perty and abby both have very similar motivations of "we put in everything into taking down the dick emperor, and fuck horus for getting so lost in the sauce he forgot the damm mission"

like their motivations in order, for both, are:
1.spite the emperor by ruining his works
2.become the ruler afterwards
3.dont get enslaved by chaos

[bright dove]

Poor Fulgrim is possessed, so getting him to follow the damn plan took beating the ever loving shit out of him

Lorgar is throwing a temper tantrum that thankfully keeps Mr. Logistics busy

The ones left on the Emperor's side are largely the Primarchs who can keep their shit together and didn't get wiped at Istavaan IV

[naive abyss]

and are debatably all the most competent ones lol

ngl i do find it hilarious how horus bent over backwards to makes sure the DA were super fucking far away

like even after deciding to take on emps and after have been warmaster for a time he was still spooked by the boogey man legion

[bright dove]

They are quite scary

[alpine quarry]

Thats a cool sentence to open this thread on lmao

I approve

[ebon forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/RogueTraderCRPG/comments/196rwma/abelard_gives_off_major_dad_vibes_so_heres_fan/

[pulsar cairn]

i like that the lion just has a bunch of Horus Heresy veterans in his legion now

[naive abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/959855447966371891/1196620238750498947/For_it_is_HE_they_fear._Not_Terra_or_it_s_armies..._They_fear_the_mark_of_the_Thirteenth..mp4?ex=65b84a71&is=65a5d571&hm=f5fdff1d39dd3dba8619b5b93a1318ff73bdfa035faa015c6aa79ef3fc753e22&

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/MeU_317/status/1746863851948458370

[untold swallow]

I need to buy boltgun tbh

[naive abyss]

i mean i dont think youre big into boom shoots?

but i mean its pretty good

[untold swallow]

Im not but also

Looks cool

[naive abyss]

its also the psuedo sequel to the first space marine game lol

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/ChronoHarlequin/status/1746982681118900550?s=20

[untold swallow]

@naive abyss

[naive abyss]

lol

[glossy vapor]

kill team seems really cool.

[bright dove]

It is.

[thin ibex]

It IS! I wish i could find time to play it now

More

[bold halo]

is there a rough kill team equivalent for age of sigmar at all?

[glossy vapor]

does basically everything have the same movement speed and defense values?

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/197sa7l/kitbashed_sagitaurs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[bold halo]

movement is pretty consistent but there's a wide range of like, wounds and save values

some things like plague marines are slower but most models I've seen so far have the same movement

[flat radish]

Ough…heretekal thoughts at 11:44 pm…

[glossy vapor]

ah

this is very petty but im not a huge fan of games that introduce stats and than have them be basically all the same across units.

[bold halo]

there's a handful of baseline slower units and then there's the other end where some things get free movement like eldar corsairs

[jaunty dawn]

warcry and warhammer underworlds. warcry is more like pre-2021 kill team though

there are units with a defence lower than 3 and I believe at one point there was one with 4 but it's kinda like

an abandoned element of the game design

turned out the math of it didn't really work out

or something

stuff like kroot hounds get an 8 inch move

[glossy vapor]

something that im considering with defense is that

do evasive (high save) units interact with different weapons in a different way? like, is having +1 save just a effective multiplier to hp or are there weapons that high defense is weaker against and stronger against.

wait scratch what im saying

there totally is, more attacks means more attacks that go over defense

[jaunty dawn]

gellerpox infected are pretty recent riles wise and have some 2 def fighters for their super tiny stuff

so not completely abandoned but yeah

[glossy vapor]

ironically with how the math works out AP is better against units with a weak save, so thematically units with weak armor

because if its a 5+ save, hitting it with ap1 halves the number of succsesful saves, but if its a good save like 2+, it reduces it by only 1/5.

[jaunty dawn]

even in the case of an armour piercing weapon better armour should still be better generally

until you get to stuff like grav weaponry anyway. which hasn't showed up I don't think

ap is balanced by availability essentially

its often your strongest weapon so the reason to not use it on a squishy target is opportunity cost

although for the most part each faction has only one type of armour

like if you go against a space marine team it's all gonna be 3+

[bold halo]

notably AP doesn't work the same way in kill team as it does in 40k, you're not reducing the save value

you're lowering their defence

[glossy vapor]

oh my b, so it basically works the same agaisnt everyone.

[bold halo]

it's basically a number of hits you just don't get to save against

[glossy vapor]

with it being most powerful on lower average succsess weapons.

[jaunty dawn]

the main ap 2 weapon is overcharged plasma which usually competes with flamer and melta for a gunner's loadout

flamer isn't ap but it's 6 attacks, bs2+ and has an area effect

but both the melta and the flamer are limited by range

[bold halo]

it actually makes it much more valuable against those higher save targets, you don't care much about ignoring a 6+ save but only allowing 1d6 for a 2+ save? hell yeah

more likely they are to succeed, the more powerful denying rolling is

[proud wing]

yeah plasma just melts through space marines in kill team

[bright dove]

The beautiful thing is that you can build specifically for your opponents that match, iirc

[jaunty dawn]

ye

[bold halo]

yeah kill team has you build your list after you see what faction you're up against

[jaunty dawn]

opponent faction and mission

[bold halo]

which has been such a different thing to wrap my head around

[bright dove]

Ye

It's nice

[bold halo]

most games you have to like, account for everything in one list, or bring two lists and pick which to play at the table, or something

[jaunty dawn]

you also see each other's lists before deciding equipment

[bright dove]

Makes the gun options very rewarding

[bold halo]

man I'm gonna end up picking up some warcry boxes even if I don't play it, some very good weirdos over there

[bright dove]

Because it means that plasma isn't always the right answer

[glossy vapor]

is there a option to use something like a sternguard or bladeguard model in kill team?

[ebon forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/15361yc/leviathan_sternguard_in_kill_team/

[ebon forge]

Does Fantasy/AoS Orc's have an equivalent of a MekOrk? As in
Crazy inventions, or the Skaven kinda took that mantle entirely?

[still warren]

Warband is the equivalent I'm pretty sure

[jaunty dawn]

skaven Skryre pretty much yeah

kruleboyz are relatively build-y but not the extent of crazy inventions

[ebon forge]

thank

[quaint compass]

Kruleboyz does suffer from being a small roster at hte moment

But they sure love their crossbows and grenades (pilfered)

[jaunty dawn]

I wish they'd made wolf riders hobgrots

[quaint compass]

That'd be the perfect fast attack option for Krulitez

And gnashtoof riders for a heavy cavarly option

It's a shame most things they're adding to the krulefellas are HQ units, because they mostly run as a gunline faction with some heavy hitters (said HQs)

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

and in gits their role is just spider riders but better

just without any faction synergies really

which they could just as easily do as allies anyway

[thin ibex]

huh, recent auspex video points out that GK have been doing relatively well at a tournament level

apparently t heir mobility shenanigans help cover the gap from struggling to kill heavy enemy targets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez0YWJqOJEo

even seein stormraven play lol

on the 4th list

[thin ibex]

My attempt at a slightly more competetive list. Lack of lascannons makes me nervous, but 2d3 mw per librarians probably performs better than a lascannon

also lack of anything with better toughness than 8 also weirds me out

[ebon forge]

‘Dis is gettin’ more an’ more complicated,’ Fingwit told himself. ‘Are ya sure yer definitely me?’ Course I’m sure. ’Ow many fingers am I ’olding up? Fingwit looked down at his hand. ‘Two.’ Dere ya go, den.

Local grot has inner monolog and gets confused

" ‘But Da Red Gobbo’s just a legend!’ Fingwit protested. ‘Da Red Gobbo
ain’t real! Dere’s not actually a grot wot fights against orkish oppreshun,
an’ frees uvver grots! Dere’s no Glorious Revolushun wot presides over a
land of fairness an’ equal opportunity for da gretchin caste!’ "

LOCAL GROT INVENTS COMMUNISM, WHAT?!

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/s/bX9ROYphL8

Ok so mandrakes V night lords is safe

I’m most puzzled by the “raven white as snow” hint

[solemn gull]

Raven guard?

[floral herald]

That’s the easiest inference but what kind of squad?

Maybe alt Phobos or an ungrade sprue for jump pack guys?

[jaunty dawn]

I doubt we'd see raven guard after scouts

raven guard also aren't white primarily

[floral herald]

I agree with the first one - but Raven guard geneseed makes people gothy and pale

So I can sort of see the white raven that way? Though it seems shaky

[jaunty dawn]

I suppose yeah

[floral herald]

But I agree we just got RG themed scouts

[upper canopy]

Inexplicably Corvus Corax

[thin ibex]

kt thats just corvus

[bold halo]

the bird be white

[floral herald]

I assume the “bladed tendril’s kiss” is genestealers or a tyranid bespoke

Or an EC kill team but that much strongly themed CSM in one year seems weird

[jaunty dawn]

I guess its just white as snow hinting a black faction seems really weird haha

I mean raven guard repeating if we do get another space marine kt would make sense on the basis of the meta narrative for the season

just don't think it's likely we'll see more space marines more than anything

[floral herald]

That’s… yeah that’s pretty fair

[junior robin]

finally, more slaanesh stuff

[ebon forge]

Why I am feeling Necron

[junior robin]

that big HQ guy thats vaccuming up a person lying on the base?

Illuminor Szeras

[tired cairn]

THey have the plastic lightning effects on them

[ebon forge]

ah yes the new necron weapon
Microplastic lightning

[past sphinx]

Chorfs.

[dense sedge]

I'd love a gsc team, a mechanical ymgarl team is one I suspect we'll get one day

[floral herald]

I mean, Wyrmblade is pretty sick

And just got buffs

[jaunty dawn]

tyranid teams existing in kill team would be kinda neat xP

[unreal cosmos]

I found out you can get an even 1k with a boring-ass Demi-Company of three Intercessors x10, one Assault Intercessors x10, one Hellblasters x10, and a generic Captain

Would that actually do good work at that scale or is it too infantry skewed?

[junior robin]

http://www.modernsynthesist.com/2012/03/hive-fleet-moloch-white-dwarf-articles.html made me think back of the hive fleet moloch one from WD

from OG kill team

[junior robin]

would love to see a more detailed horus heresy kill team game.

[dense sedge]

I'd love a tzeentch and slaanesh killteams in the same vein as the gellerpox

[dense sedge]

I'd generally like to see more non imperial kill teams in though

[unreal cosmos]

Dark Watcher KT

Invincible but also incapable of attacking, just going about their mysterious errands

[floral herald]

That'd rule

I want more daemons that aren't the crossover faction

I want fucked up tech daemons

Bloodletters with rifles for faces

A daemon that thinks the tank is hot shit and emulates it instead of a chariot

The horrible spinny thing from that one AoO book

[junior robin]

how about a marine/guard kt in different stages of the obliterator virus

[floral herald]

That'd be cool

I love mixed-size KTs

[tired cairn]

The Obliterator virus is transmitted by the transfer of bodily fluids or simply by touch.

Really changing the meaning of ammosexual here

[onyx elm]

There is some genuinely cool stuff in the Wrath and Glory Aldari expansion. It makes running a purely Aldari campaign just as exciting as the Imperium.

[dense sedge]

what classes does it offer?

[viral crest]

Lots

Like, all the Aspects

[junior robin]

does it let you play a wrack? 🥺

[viral crest]

Unfortunately not, no

Barely even mentions them, actually

[junior robin]

[dense sedge]

warp scorpions won't live long will they?

sorry, warp psirder

[viral crest]

You can play a WraithGuard

[viral crest]

Why not?

[floral herald]

High risk lifestyle

Though they're really good at it

[bold halo]

yeah only 1 in 6 spiders doesn't survive each jump

[floral herald]

It's also just the really exciting jumps which risk death every time

[untold swallow]

wait aren't wraithguards

borderline mindless bone automata?

[bold halo]

wraithguards are the souls of dead eldar animating cool new robot bodies

[floral herald]

they're not mindless they just can't see that good iirc

[bold halo]

yeah some idiot forgot to put eyes on their helmet

[untold swallow]

Oh I thought they were mindless cuz they were just sort of filled with 'soul juice'

Didnt know they were individual eldar

[bold halo]

yeah the spiritseer takes the soulstone out of the eldar blockchain and into a 3d printed body

[floral herald]

I think its 3d sung but yeah

[bold halo]

taken away from 24/7 psychic shitposting to actually fight real things again

[untold swallow]

'eldar blockchain' makes me die inside lmao

[thin ibex]

wraith constructs are more like... permanently groggy, foggy sighted eldar; as if they just woke up and arent wearing their very powerful perscription glasses

in that the spirits are kinda semi present of mind, having a spirit seer helps a lot tho

[dense sedge]

they jump through the warp which is particularly dangerous for Aeldari, on tabletop one dies for each 1 on a d6 rolled, which is really bad odds. Even if it's probably reduced for ttrpg, it's still probably not great life expectancy

[bold halo]

jump through the warp pretty much entirely unprotected, even

[viral crest]

Ah

It's not that bad in the game

It's treated like a Psyker triggering Perils of The Warp

[still warren]

So it's Russian roulette but your soul gets eaten?

[thin ibex]

they are absolutely considered one of the riskiest aspects

[bold halo]

yeah basically

[thin ibex]

though also they are exceptionally deadly

[bold halo]

picosecond long trips into hell so I can move fast as fuck

[thin ibex]

narratively their monofilament threads cut through just about anything

[untold swallow]

What's a Magister Vigilant in wfrp?

[viral crest]

Fantasy...

Those are Wizards assigned by the college to hunt down Wizards that turned to Chaos, no?

[untold swallow]

I think so

I ask cuz they seem to be a specific career in a wfrp supplement

and they're mentioned in the description of witch hunters in the base book

so I'm wondering if they're a mix

I have proven my partners insisting I'm a magic nerd right and have bought the book with the magister vigilant in it

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/16/run-rings-around-your-enemies-with-the-new-ravenwing-detachment-in-codex-supplement-dark-angels/

this is cool

but has my inner scars fans like

https://tenor.com/view/crying-the-good-doctor-so-sad-ok-then-red-eyes-gif-12615930

it literally even makes bikes battleline lol

[untold swallow]

Yeah this just...

seems kind of mean to Scars fans lmao

Like fuck

[naive abyss]

this is almost exactly what i think 8th edition scars were lol

like i get it its ravenwing they do the same schtick cuz DA by design do every schtick

but man

[untold swallow]

oof size: large

[naive abyss]

it feels weird that the best way to emulate scars atm is run them as DA lol

its extra funny to me too cuz they did an article for this detach but sammael is still is old metal model i think

or well its now finecast i think but still

out here running this with a converted kosarro on jetbike be like

[unreal cosmos]

if I recall the situation was similar in 9th

[naive abyss]

i forget what DA had in 9th but i do remember they took away the bike thing from scars yeah

[floral herald]

Back in the day (4e) it was pretty standard to run WS as Ravenwing

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/piddel-piddel-meme-piddel-gaming-piddel-pain-pain-gif-26176777

[thin ibex]

im also of the opinion that while the ravenwing are neat, they steal the spotlight that should be on the white scars

in terms of best bike guys

[untold swallow]

wait this has been an issue for going on 7 editions?

woof

[naive abyss]

scars fans have been forever suffering yes

[thin ibex]

DA already rocking with "most ancient tech" "most stubborn" "best terminators" and "most secretive", they don't also need "best bikers/cavalry"

[naive abyss]

as someone who is also a DA fan i can confidently say i second this

like i dont hate ravenwing

[untold swallow]

Do they have 'best loyalist psykers'?

wait

[naive abyss]

but its also not what i go to DA for

[untold swallow]

Ezekiel fucking

exists

[thin ibex]

i think tigurius is the most powerful sm psyker atm, potentially

but theres a lot of close liners so its not objective

[naive abyss]

fun fact the DA were the prototype legion for librarians before the idea existed in the great crusade

[untold swallow]

Man

[naive abyss]

like i dont mind that the DA have all the spoons

cuz thats the point

[thin ibex]

BA might have the deadliest one atm, since they beat hte black rage

[naive abyss]

theyre the first

[untold swallow]

M a n ™️

[naive abyss]

they literally are the experimental hot bed legion/chapter

[thin ibex]

they meaning the BA chief librarian i mean, not the entire chapter

[naive abyss]

just even in the lore its "they have all of them but outside of a few things they do better the specialized legions do them better"

which gw sorta constantly forgets

[untold swallow]

Mephiston?

[naive abyss]

cuz that would require them to actually do something nice for the scars or etc

[thin ibex]

I think, its a narratively fine line to walk between "they have a lil bit of everything with all the spoons" vs "they have the best spoons in every sector"

[dense sedge]

imagine if the 'white ravens' turned out to be blood ravens kill team leaning into their thousand sons loyalist aspects

[naive abyss]

agreed

[thin ibex]

though also ofc, they should get hyped in their own material

[untold swallow]

This is probably really stupid but part of me wants gw to make a like

[naive abyss]

i dont mind DA being better at termies and like weird tech shit

[thin ibex]

so naturally its gonna seem like they're the best at everything

[naive abyss]

cuz ultimately thats sorta their core identity

[untold swallow]

'librarian squad' for infantry

which I can guess probably just wouldn't work

[naive abyss]

the closest you get this thousand sons

[untold swallow]

I know

[naive abyss]

who have at least one sorcerer in most marine units

[untold swallow]

Which makes me sad

[thin ibex]

like id expect ultramarines fiction to assert their massive hardon for the codex makes them superior to other chapters when inside their own ultramarines stories

[untold swallow]

Thousand Sons is ruleswise the best way to play my chapter

but also it'd be the most boring way to play thousand sons

[naive abyss]

like imo DA at their core are a mixture of weird plasma/ordinance and like durable melee

[untold swallow]

cuz no monsters

and shit for vehicles

[naive abyss]

with everything else just being extra spoons they happen to have

[thin ibex]

i would say that they're a bit boring for your chapter personally, based on what you've said

just cause like... you'd just be doing rubric spam mostly

[untold swallow]

My point exactly lol

[thin ibex]

you'd be better off bringing like 9 librarians by bringing 3 of each kind

[naive abyss]

sweats in liking rubric spam

[floral herald]

I’m not very bothered by it because I don’t really like the WS becoming just the “biker marines”

[untold swallow]

the only strat that fits aesthetically is rubric spam

[naive abyss]

cuz imo rubric are the coolest thing the tsons have

cuz everything else is just your standard 40k chaos blorbos yet again

[thin ibex]

I can feel this, but also, white scars are meant to be the best biker marines, alongside everything else they are

their entire shtick is their elite cavalry and speed tactics

[floral herald]

No it’s either Blood Angels for best single fella or GK for best overall

[thin ibex]

oh yeah i forgot GK, every single gk is a psyker

[untold swallow]

Depending I could flavor the big chaos beast they have as the chapter master's warp-serpent

yeah

gk like

barely count tho imo lol

[thin ibex]

i tend not to mentally include gk in the chapter discussions

of sm

cause they're hardly a normal sm chapter

[untold swallow]

I mean among the more normative chapters ye

[naive abyss]

gk out here being the rabid pet dog that the imperium swears doesnt bite

[thin ibex]

i don't think they're even called a chapter

[untold swallow]

Nah they are

The 666th

Because

of course

[thin ibex]

oh of course

lol

[untold swallow]

What's funny is

I dunk on gks a lot

[floral herald]

Yeah they’re a chapter just sort of nontraditional

[untold swallow]

and would do less of it

[untold swallow]

If they didn't have the stupidest storm bolters of all time

[thin ibex]

but yeah, i think mephiston or tigurius are probably the most powerful individual loyalist librarians atm

but i dont think the margin is huge

[naive abyss]

i mean sure but bikes are a core part of their identity and it still feels bad to have that stapled onto DA

like scars ultimately are shock awe rapid assault in all its forms more or less

[untold swallow]

I mean the WS could be given the chance to become more than the biker marines

[naive abyss]

for sure

[untold swallow]

It's just they've gotten their lunch taken before they can see what the fuck is inside the bag lol

[naive abyss]

id kill for 40k plastic keshig

[untold swallow]

I bet white scar jump packs would kick ass

[thin ibex]

i dont think anyones saying that they gotta just be biker marines, but biker marines are a major and important element of their chapter, and its weird for another chapter to have outright superior biker marines as a tertiary element to their portfolio

[floral herald]

There’s a lot of chapters known for strong psykers though outside of the GK and there isn’t a specific one

[naive abyss]

and for an actual 40k stormseer model

[untold swallow]

I think a better idea would be making scars a more general mobility and vehicle focused chapter

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-cecily-strong-saturday-night-live-everything-all-of-it-gif-23380050

[untold swallow]

for whom bikes are the backbone

[thin ibex]

heck their chapter tactic for 2 editions wasnt biker only

[naive abyss]

like give me a stormseer riding a giant cyborg eagle

[floral herald]

How else am I meant to interpret “the ravenwing (the all bikes company) shouldn’t be a DA thing it should be a WS thing”?

[thin ibex]

it was mobility based

[untold swallow]

which would give them the niche of ironically not requiring many dedicated transports

[naive abyss]

let scars somehow fit more termies in drop pods

if they are specifically keshig

so you ram the bikes in then yeet keshig on top

[untold swallow]

We're saying the white scars getting no specialist bike units and the DA getting them is crap

Like they can both have some

[thin ibex]

By noting that the White Scars, a chapter incredibly notorious for its cavalry and bikers across the board, do not have even a single biker company, much less superior bikers in general, while the
Raven Wing exist as a side idea for a chapter who already has a massive portfolio of specializations

[naive abyss]

also fuckit give us the dreadnought on a jetbike

hovernoughts

idk

hell give scars a unique drop pod

[untold swallow]

I think a lot of the animus here from all of us is that it's also DAngels

[thin ibex]

like kossarro not having a bike is possibly the weirdest named epic hero release

[naive abyss]

that lets them deploy closer and charge from them same turn or some shit

[untold swallow]

If it was like

Blood Angels or Space Wolves

Kinda weird

and annoying

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[untold swallow]

but ultimately minor

But the DAngels already get a lot of shit

[floral herald]

Blood Angels actually do the same thing as the WS haha

[naive abyss]

no i wouldve vibrated still over that

[floral herald]

Especially their super fast transports and laissez faire deployment of them

[untold swallow]

Fair

[naive abyss]

cuz the BA and wolves have even more unique shit

[thin ibex]

i wouldve just made kossaro THE named biker character, just in general

[untold swallow]

fair fair, poor examples

[naive abyss]

tbh i disagree BA do jump packs

scars are more ground assault

those imo are distinct

like sure they have that one land raider

but other than that its a fuck ton of jump packs

[floral herald]

Fast mechanized assault is also a BA thing

[jaunty dawn]

the thing is ravenguard was the orginal bike marines

[floral herald]

I don't think they do anymore but their Rhinos used to be as fast as ork Trukks

[thin ibex]

I do think thematically, BA are tied strongly into rapid assaults, but their visual identity i think is more closely tied to jump packs and faster larger vehicles (though notably their recent material does not include any speed boosted versions of normal vehicles), I think white scars are intimately more tied to biker cav and rapid advancing infantry

[naive abyss]

ill be real i really dont want to get into another "the scars dont need anything cuz they just do what others do" discussion again

[jaunty dawn]

not raven guard ravenwing

[floral herald]

(And their predators, and to make up for not being able to hypercharge the engines they combat dropped land raiders)

What the WS really need is a 7e style mini codex to flesh them out so they're not "the biker marines"

[jaunty dawn]

swolves and angels have more stuff because they had stuff since before the legions were even a concept

[floral herald]

Like the Iron Hands got

[naive abyss]

they did technically get one

just i dont think it did much

[floral herald]

Yeah it wasn't as exciting as the IH one

[thin ibex]

TBH I don't understand the thought that White scars couldnt have their cav centric identity further explored on the virtue of other chapters having similar themes. BA, BT, and SW all have similar mechanical identities in greater or lesser degrees, yet they had their identities expanded upon and explored

[floral herald]

Though the IH had the real first founding lore deficit pre-mini codex

(Not that the WS were far behind)

[jaunty dawn]

as it is though like ravenwing do have biker veterans but the way they do biker veterans is raven iconography and plasma spam and big swords which is still ultimately just dangel stuff

[runic swallow]

Hey, they also have cool war picks

[jaunty dawn]

gw has been weird about biker command squads outside ravenwing though and that is super dumb

[thin ibex]

UM do everything every other chapter does, without as much specialization, but they're not an argument for other chapters to not have their identities expanded upon. I do think the strongest argument against WS being explored more is just like... market forces ultimately, in that GW has to assess that there is a will out there to buy any uniqueness if htey were to sell it, enough to justify it in profit returns

[naive abyss]

ultimately my stance is i like scars and would like gw to stop in 40k doing the equivalent of rubbing its ass on the scars forehead

[thin ibex]

but also, they could just do limited model runs

[jaunty dawn]

just need to do more bikes

like how doing all the phobos stuff is super cool for raven guard

[naive abyss]

like im at the point i would just take a not dogshit upgrade sprue

and like kosarro getting his bike back

[floral herald]

Yeah the WS one is lame

[naive abyss]

thats like barely even a crumb imo and it would like be something at least

[jaunty dawn]

the mini ones are all fairly uninteresting. although some of them at least added options

[floral herald]

Imperial Fists got the best one imo

[jaunty dawn]

like salamanders went kinda apeshit

[untold swallow]

Man

[naive abyss]

if we are discluding the bigger upgrades probably yea

[jaunty dawn]

and that's why hand flamers are apparently a space marine pistol of choice now

[untold swallow]

I'm glad I'm not really that attached to any preexisting chapter

[naive abyss]

otherwise its probably templars

[thin ibex]

i do think its very funny for BT to get their own versions of vehicles

[jaunty dawn]

black templar and now dark angel sized upgrade sprues are really cool yeah

[thin ibex]

just to slap mm on them

[untold swallow]

I can just make my funky lil dudes lmao

[floral herald]

Yeah I'm limiting myself to chapters which historically didn't get their own codex (so not SW, BA,DA,BT)

[naive abyss]

DA now have like 3 pretty good upgrade sprues lol

[untold swallow]

black templars just

bug me

[thin ibex]

i'd personally very much like to see a salamanders dex too

[jaunty dawn]

but I don't see it happening for any core codex chapters

[floral herald]

BA have an insanely good one for firstborn its just called something funny on the website like "death company squad"

[thin ibex]

and maybe a gw revisit of ih lore

[naive abyss]

i like templars as being like peak "the imperium is fucking bad"

[untold swallow]

I do not like the real actual templars in space

[naive abyss]

and have grown fond of the idea of pitting them against tau

with the tau being the obvious non villain lol

[untold swallow]

I feel like the real actual templars in space would call me a trap

[floral herald]

The Black Templars aren't very similar to the historical templars

[naive abyss]

the biggest problem with templars is their fanbase

[floral herald]

They'd be like... weird bankers who fuck with everyone's politics as fleet based space marines

[thin ibex]

they are very extreme and xenophobic and dogmatic and so on of course, the bt i mean

[untold swallow]

and the fact their emblem is a fucking maltese cross

[naive abyss]

because a unfortunately large portion of it would do this

[runic swallow]

Also running protection rackets for pilgrims

[thin ibex]

i like the mechanical pairing of tau vs BT tbh, just cause its melee vs range

[floral herald]

Ok but real talk the BTs could stand to be more historical templars now that we've said these things

[thin ibex]

my main irl opponent will be a WE player lol, and im a tau player, so its very polarized

[naive abyss]

in fairness rhi the symbol of the iom is a double headed eagle with lightning bolts

[untold swallow]

lol

[untold swallow]

very true

[runic swallow]

Having a individual BT stationed on pilgrim ships would be very neat as lore

[naive abyss]

also the cross the bt use is a weird cross of the iron cross and maltese

[floral herald]

Them being a common fleet based chapter which commands immense resources and messes with the economies of whole sectors while running semi-scam pilgrimages for the faithful is dope actually

[naive abyss]

like its not explicitly one or the other

[runic swallow]

Like, each pilgrim ship has to have one BT

[naive abyss]

but the bastardization of both together

[floral herald]

yeah

[naive abyss]

cuz it uses the general body of a iron but has the flair points of a maltese

[untold swallow]

but yeah in short I don't like the black templars

[naive abyss]

i mean valid

[untold swallow]

it doesn't help that mechanically they have no psykers lol

[naive abyss]

i like them as antagonists

like just channeling this image tbh

[untold swallow]

idk if I really would even wanna engage with them as protagonists

This may be their reputation among the playerbase preceding them

[naive abyss]

ironically one of the best written marine novels is about one

[floral herald]

BTs are probably in my personal top three for loyalist chapters

Yeah Helsreach is great

[untold swallow]

but I just think they're a bunch of toxic c*nts <XD

[naive abyss]

i mean they are

[floral herald]

(I assume we're thinking of the same one)

[thin ibex]

see i mentally map it to have someone like darkstrider behind a pillar, and instead of fear its a prepared ambush xD

but then im a tau player

so im biased

[naive abyss]

the bt fandom is filled to the brim with premiere level chud ass cunts

[naive abyss]

i mean fair

[floral herald]

(Ultramarines, Raven Guard, and BT)

[untold swallow]

No not the players, the chapter

[naive abyss]

to be clear the emotion im wanting out of the image is the bt being monstrous

not the tau being weak or cowardly

[floral herald]

I like most of the named ones though

[naive abyss]

oh the bt are massive cunts

[untold swallow]

lol

[thin ibex]

i do think it gets the bt marines tone right, the image i mean

[naive abyss]

and thats the appeal

[thin ibex]

BT are massive cunts weaponized in service to the imperium, is like their shtick

[naive abyss]

like i like them cuz they are completely no selling wht the iom is

[floral herald]

That's a big part of their mythos, there's that great comic they got a while ago with the feudal world

[naive abyss]

and what a marine is

[naive abyss]

i know the one

[thin ibex]

they were/are one of the original asshole dogmatic marine chaptes before the even more awful minotaurs and flesh tearers got explored more

[naive abyss]

"what wars in heaven are there that require warriors like you"

[floral herald]

Where they get attacked by orks and then the Templars come and deal with the orks and the population is like "Wow I feel bad for those orks, the wars in space most be Super Awful if these are the good guys???"

[untold swallow]

Oh my god that's raw as hell

[naive abyss]

yeah

[untold swallow]

holy fuck

[naive abyss]

its from a comic and is a like ganger after watchign a marine just murder basically the whole gang

he is then recruited

cuz thats how templars recruit

[thin ibex]

i think bt were once upon a time the main guys you didn't necessarily want showing up to help you out

even if you knew they'd kick ass

[naive abyss]

"follow us or we kill you until you give in"

[naive abyss]

they still are

like in canon

they are considered worse in allot of ways that sob