Warhammer and Such

[bitter mortar]

thats what dlc is for

you throw in the weird concepts

[ebon forge]

True, i mean a ||Drukhari did exactly that in the game|| so

[pulsar holly]

Oh I’d do so in a heartbeat

I know the first two confirmed dlc characters is gonna be an ||Arbite, and a Death Cult Assassin||

[ebon forge]

aw maaaaaaaaan...

Let's hope ||The Arbite can make shotguns very strong||

Because this? This Rocks

[pulsar holly]

I was picturing something more like ||Calpurnia||

[ebon forge]

Huh, is the book good?

[uneven ember]

looking good

[mental birch]

Terminator command squad kharash

[ebon forge]

very nice, i like the flag!

[pulsar holly]

I recall it being good, yeah

It's been a while since I've read it

[dense sedge]

They’ve stated as much iirc

[pulsar holly]

Wound up with the 40k Core rulebook as a late Christmas gift today x-x but initially was thinking of getting the Necromunda core but it was sold out (And 40k core is a little cheaper)

[thin ibex]

You know, we also don't have an LoV fortification, as like unusable as so many are, id love to see what an lov fortification unit looks

[alpine quarry]

Already said it, but the infernal guard always looked cool to me
Smooth dwarves

I might try to get some printed tbh

[naive abyss]

the FW chorfs are cool but also are resin so suffer a big negative outlook from me lol

im also ultimately a big classic dorf fan

like id kill for a new plastic slayer kit

[alpine quarry]

Why resin hate?

I mean i do admit that plastic is better tho

[naive abyss]

prefer plastic and more specifically in the case of FW the price and quality control

[alpine quarry]

Oh yea fw prices are

[alpine quarry]

I just like infernals visually

Especially with shields

So thats like the things with chorfs, they are all spiky and protruding

But infernals are satisfyingly smooth

[naive abyss]

for sure

theyre a vibe

like im still hoping for chorfs in aos

[alpine quarry]

Fireglaives also look good but in a different sort of way

Their weapons are just incredibly silly in a good way

Its a gun with an axe attached to it as a bayonet
And its handle
Is also an axe

Like why is it even like that
In what situation is it going to get used
Is it just a chorf decor

Its just so based

This is a newer fw mini irc, just in case

[junior robin]

been waiting for my ancestors wrath for 69 days now

[naive abyss]

i got mine but still waiting on my copy of rogue trader lol

[junior robin]

that one is in the same order

only up to 111 days left to wait.

[naive abyss]

rogue trader i get

since it likely had massive waves of orders for it

super random but im very here for old world having it being about fighhting the enemy

like thats how you get victory points

i get why 40k and i think aos have objective and etc but idk it alway felt sorta weird and arbitrary to me

[brittle salmon]

I think there has to be some level of arbitration to game mechanics because like, it's a game

When the easiest way to win in 40k is tabling your opponent, it has, without fail, produced the majority of the stalest and shittiest metas to play in

[naive abyss]

Tbh I feel that's more a statement on faction balance but again I get it. Just I can't deny the old world style of just armies slugging it out appeals to me

It means all of the game mechanics revolve around that slug fest instead of revolving around dancing around coins on the board

[floral herald]

Yeah that’s pretty much just wargame balance in a nutshell - deathmatches are not satisfying

[tired cairn]

On one hand, it would be nice if the objectives were less abstract. On the other hand, 40k is definitely a universe where the powers that be would consider having you flag planted 15 minutes longer is a win

[floral herald]

It’s tricky to make generic objectives narratively interesting

I think the ideal solution is actually setups for specific battles but that’s hard to make a generic specific battle which any two factions can fight out

[pulsar holly]

Wonder if the Brotherhood of Nod Colour scheme would work for Leagues of Votann

[floral herald]

Black on red works for every 40 faction imo

[mental birch]

Attack bikes for white scars in heresy

[thin ibex]

To be fair to like wargame convention and simulation and so on, most field warfare is not fight to eliminate the other army specifically. Usually there are objectives, and usually armies don't actually get entirely annihilated

[pulsar holly]

https://tenor.com/view/pete-the-deer-datsun-datsy-foxclaw-pete-gif-25319324

[mental birch]

Yeah but like at the 40k scale how to represent the objectives?

[mental birch]

Oh no why the hand?

[pulsar holly]

Gimme

[floral herald]

I don’t understand the question

[mental birch]

More like hmmmm, in a game of 40k objectives are now like arbitrary discs sitting in the middle of the battlefield

Do like retrieval missions?

Run to an 'objective' and run away with it?

[mental birch]

Out of production sadly

[floral herald]

I think 10e has some missions with movable objectives

Usually I think static ones are preferred because the idea with them is to make people take risks not run trinkets back to safety

But there’s missions like The Ritual which involve placing objective markers in certain parts of the map which are really cool

[thin ibex]

often times i kinda see it as a taking and holding objective really, where like strategically you want to control that place as part of a wider front objective

[floral herald]

Yeah I think that’s the intent - they’re supposed to be valuable ground you want to control for the sake of some wider effort

But sometimes they are trinkets like archeotech

I know one of the older editions (6th or 7th?) had a “mysterious objectives” rule for some missions where objectives had weird little things going on

[mental birch]

The take and hold stuff sadly don't feel like strategic ground being held?

[thin ibex]

i think a lot comes down to where the players place stuff

like terrain

[floral herald]

And objectives are for gameplay purposes often kept apart from strategic ground on the tabletop because taking or holding that is its own reward

The solution is imo, asymmetrical games but this is harder to balance and especially harder to do at tournaments

[unreal cosmos]

Crusade introduces some things similar to mobile objectives, where you have to have a unit do an action at a specific place and then protect or extract said unit off the board

[floral herald]

Those sound pretty neat

[unreal cosmos]

it was in 9E but I remember in the first two codices Marines had one where an Apothecary had to retrieve geneseed from a fallen hero, and Necrons had one about re-stealing ancient artifacts

[floral herald]

Yeah those more specific ones are great

This is kind of a weird question but

Were the Luna Wolves and Space Wolves ever named that at the same time?

[unreal cosmos]

From what I've heard, no

[floral herald]

I know the Space Wolves were just called the VI Legion or something like that until they got to Fenris but I don't know where that is with the Sons of Horus rename

[unreal cosmos]

I may be remembering wrong or my source may be incorrect, but I have been told that Space Wolves wasn't an official name for a long time, in that they didn't call themselves that during the Heresy

Other people called them Space Wolves but they used Vlka Fenryka

[floral herald]

I know the HH book I read about them pretty much exclusively called them the Vlka Fenryka yeah

oh lol timing

[unreal cosmos]

I suspect that over the millennia the Imperium's terminology won out

[floral herald]

makes sense

[torn arrow]

back in the day there were battle sitreps where you had to like, kill certain units, or escape off a table edge

or the classic table quarters

[tired cairn]

iirc the only mobile objective in 10th (for the Leviathan pack anyways) is one where you have to push them into the enemy zone. You have to be really aggressive because missing a push delays you a lot

[floral herald]

I thought there were at least two

I may be misremembering

[tired cairn]

There are mid-battle placement ones, and ones where objectives disappear

I think fluff-wise, the objectives would make more sense if they sounded more temporary. Because winning Take and Hold on points despite it being clear that you would be wiped next turn feels weird

[naive abyss]

I feel old world does it pretty well

But it's not just who tables who either

[tired cairn]

What's the wincon for old world?

[floral herald]

Yeah I think that's what I'm thinking of

[naive abyss]

You get points for destroying units, taking banners, and a few other things

[floral herald]

I forgot that you didn't give units objective markers to place for The Ritual

They just appear when placed

[naive abyss]

I'm not an expert but they basically all revolve around combat

[pulsar holly]

What about peaceful negotiations?

[naive abyss]

I think that's ultimately my sorta fondness for it. Everything in old world mechanically seems to revolve around combat

Which I feel isn't the case in 40k or aos

[floral herald]

I'm generally pretty skeptical of purely combat based resolution in wargames but I guess I'll wait and see

It'll probably be less of a problem for a more melee oriented game

I think "just fight" stuff brings out a lot of the worst trends in wargame play like weird deployment strats, deathstar stat checks extremely skewed lists, that sort of thing

But I also get the sense that GW isn't really gunning for the tournament circuit with WHTOW so hopefully that'll blunt those trends

[bold halo]

Deathstar strats definitely existed in wfb back in the day so the worry is warranted

I know dark elves had one with a unit that had the looser 40k style coherency rule I'm forgetting the name of, you'd take fuckin 50+ of them and the rest of your list would be anemic

Back in like, 7th?

Shades, that was the unit

[floral herald]

I never played whfb but I did read some battle reports

But I played 40k in 5e and it was a very deathstarry edition

[bold halo]

Empire had a hard skew list running multiple steam tanks too

Either you could handle them or you lost

Then 8th hit and priced me out of the game because it was the infantry brick edition, bring 40+ models per unit or else

Swear that core book was tailor made to make skaven good, there were items in there that directly fixed several of their inbuilt weaknesses lol

[onyx elm]

Sorry, slightly off topic, but you reminded me of all the old Star Wars expanded universe novels that were all, "the Death Star, but BETTER!"

[bright dove]

Ah, so the Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker

[onyx elm]

I mean... ☝️

[uneven ember]

Maybe the wrong channel for it but it is a thing that even the OT made it all of one whole film before introducing "Death Star but, like, again"

[dense sedge]

There’s apparently rumours that next year will be Skaven vs chorfs for AoS

[jaunty dawn]

that's why venators don't have balls because spheres are sith

[naive abyss]

fair

ill grant this is very much me speaking from a i dont care about competitive and like the idea of it being a game being a simulation of two forces just going at it

like old world allowing me to potentially slug fest an army of dorfs against some gobos is just big vibes for me lol

[pastel rampart]

It's how it always tried to present itself, really.

You're simulating battles and that isn't always meant for competitive play.

[naive abyss]

yeah. i think thats ultimately why it appeals to me

like theres funky scenarios and etc

and you are just mashing your armies into each other

it very much appeals more to waht i want from a wargame

hell its why i like killteam and warcry

cuz the super granular tactical way its played fits what its aiming for

[pulsar holly]

Chorfs? I thought Chaos Dwarfs weren’t a thing in AoS

[pastel rampart]

They're a thing, though we've only seen them with human followers of Hashut.

[dense sedge]

Yes, exactly, the rumours are that they will be

[pulsar holly]

Hmm

[pastel rampart]

They also got an updated army list when AoS first came out.

Don't think it's valid anymore tho.

[pulsar holly]

Kinda surprised Hashut didn’t ascend like the Horned Rat did

[pastel rampart]

Hashut has always been off doing its own thing, more or less fine with being left alone. Horned Rat is a fucker with his own plans and ambitions.

[upper canopy]

Hashut through his lot in with a notoriously slow to breed but very devoted people while the Horned Rat said "All of these 10 trillion rats are my children and if they know what's good for them they'll take over the world"

[pulsar holly]

Lotta warpstone munching too.

Love that the Skaven don’t even need Realmgates. They just munch their way through into one realm from another

[jaunty dawn]

something something dwarf too short to ascend something

[still warren]

You must be this tall to ascend -

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtI2yGcZijU&t=6s&ab_channel=PeteTheWargamer

i feel im still not clear on the purpose of the fillers but they are very cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLZ99zpOE3Y&ab_channel=TabletopTactics

[past sphinx]

Because WHFB required people to have 80+ model armies. 10+ man deep bricks of infantry and cav and artillery all on thr field and that's both a shitload of time and a shitload of money

This reduces the hell out of that labour

[naive abyss]

ah so its literally to count as some of the infantry

[past sphinx]

Not to mention painting standards have risen remarkably in these years

[naive abyss]

how does it work once part of the block its counting as is destroyed?

do you sorta treat it like it has multiple wounds?

[past sphinx]

I'd imagine you do some swappy swap

If it counts as 6 in a 12 man brick and 7 get destroyed you'd just leave 5 dudes

[naive abyss]

mm mm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4A2Vx6Hx9k&ab_channel=GuerrillaMiniatureGames

[past sphinx]

Quite clever in a way

[naive abyss]

i feel i appreciate how like not comeptitive minded old world feels

which i know has caveats to it and is probably not a vibe for some

[pastel rampart]

Yeah you swap out models as needed with unit fillers.

[naive abyss]

i like it as a way to add visual variety

[pastel rampart]

If say, a kroxigor takes up the space of 4 models and 4 models get killed, well, take the krox out.

Kings of War takes this several steps forward.

[naive abyss]

like im worried about old worlds longevity but i appreciate it existing

like ill probably buy some dorf stuff while its avaialable cuz itll be cheaper and easier to get than the old scalp prices lol

[pastel rampart]

With KoW the game only cares about the footprint of the unit--you don't remove models (unless you want to of course), and in fact you can just put whatever the hell on top of the footprint. People get into some real scenic stuff that way.

[naive abyss]

gotcha

i like the whole ranks thing

i know it ultimately can end up being fiddly but its cool to me mechanically

[pastel rampart]

It's fiddly in a way that matters but also doesn't

[naive abyss]

lol fair. random but im still very confused by old world books being blue ngl lol

cuz im so use to them being red

like it looks good but my brain keeps briefly being thrown off lol

[pastel rampart]

The blue is to make WHFB fans even sadder, you see.

[naive abyss]

snrk

like its a pretty rulebook but its such an odd break from tradition lol

ill probably grab the books cuz i do want the game to like exist

and theres neat art in them and etc

[past sphinx]

If I can buy a new production anvil of doom imma buy an anvil of doom

[naive abyss]

id imagine itll come back

it wont be the old wheeled one though

[past sphinx]

It is kinda the dorf model

[naive abyss]

itll be the newer one and probably be converted to resin if i had to guess

i really want the dwarf lord with great weapon

like this model kicks ass

[past sphinx]

Probably right it's a little to ironically dorf to learn oldschool

Dorf lord on shields tho

[naive abyss]

i never liked that model due to the head looking off to me

conceptually i like it though

and theres some great stls for it

namely this one

which i believe is from highland

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/1908zlo/finished_more_member_of_my_necromunda_gang/

ngl the ironhead heads look good on the lov infantry

also killer paint jobs

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/18z5hfk/battle_monk_and_warriors/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

its sorta wild to me just how much more lov kits come to life when you grime them up

its even more the case with them then even marines i feel

also random but im definitely picking up a box of the foot knights

cuz theyre cool looking

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/arborealkey/status/1743321605306994982

[naive abyss]

vibe

this reminds me theres a etsy shop selling plasma axe props and im so tempted

[bright dove]

Got it, I understand now.

Wraithbone is 3d printed material.

[naive abyss]

lol

[topaz elk]

Kinda!

[runic swallow]

It’s interesting how the techniques for painting minis are pretty much being used but at a much bigger scale for this

Also, I really wanna get a 3D printer someday just so I can print random minis and terrain bits to my hearts content

Just churn out some M113s or Humvees because I have a desire to do so

[torn arrow]

necromancy but yeah 28mm rank and flank was always...a lot of work

the fucking clanrat pits never end

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F5uljotay39s11.jpg

If you didn't want to field a bunch of fancy shit or you wanted to tarpit, you were stuck painting like, 200 clanrats and some slaves

it wasn't a great idea but in 1000pts, you could bring a standard bearer chieftan for about a hundred points and then like, seven units of 20 clanrats

[runic swallow]

There’s a reason 28mm is more for platoon level and down, and 10mm is the place for ranks of infantry

[torn arrow]

15mm or 6mm tends to be more common

[runic swallow]

Ah, sorry

What’s 10mm for then?

[torn arrow]

I....don't really know actually

[runic swallow]

Or is it just a less common scale

[torn arrow]

@naive abyss

ha ha, time to get silly

[runic swallow]

I guess I think I’ve personally heard a reasonable amount about 10mm stuff for company/battalion level stuff, but I could just be misremembering

Regardless, I’d like to get into smaller scale stuff to play bigger scale battles some day

[torn arrow]

Looks like there's a fair few studios for 10mm stuff, I'm just more familiar with going down to 6 or up to 15

[runic swallow]

Gotcha

[bright dove]

2 pts a model, Expendable

Boy is that a statement.

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-lurking-gif-22815788

[runic swallow]

Iirc expendable meant you could fire into melee fought by that unit

[bright dove]

Yep

[naive abyss]

i feel im very skewed in perception here as a hobbyist and collector but i like fantasy having the ranks and stuff cuz im in no rush to actually play lol

[bright dove]

Skaven were basically the only people who could do that.

[runic swallow]

Which meant “put the Skaven slaves/clan rats into combat, shell the combat”

[naive abyss]

and i think the ranked up units look cool

[runic swallow]

It looks cool, but it’s a pain the move and paint

[bright dove]

Lock people down and introduce them to Clan Skyre, yeah.

[naive abyss]

though to be clear i get the various issues people have and its valid

[runic swallow]

Which is why smaller scales are usually the go-to for ranks

[naive abyss]

moving with trays seemed fine to me ngl. as for painting im a weirdo who is mainly interested in painting and am in no rush lol

[runic swallow]

Also, I’m officially an old man tabletop gamer ever since I played a small scale Civil War game and had a great time

[naive abyss]

but again i do get the issues and theyre very much valid

[runic swallow]

It’s more a thing that it’s very fiddly to transport, makes turns take longer, is expensive, and take a very long time to paint a bunch of very samey units

One Skaven slave is much like another after all

There’s only so much variety you can get with fur and loincloths

[naive abyss]

unless you want them all to look different cuz youre crazy like me

like im very much an edge case where i like the idea of having a big army that im slowly gonna slowly make very mine

cuz im fascinated with the process of doing that

like i plan to collect several 40k armies over long periods of time with no intention of maybe ever really playing 40k

cuz i just like the minis and like doing hobby stuff

[runic swallow]

I’m just point out some of the issues form a practical playing the game level, especially for big units like clan rats where it’s just a bajillion of the same few sculpts

So they take up a lot of space, are rather monotonous to paint, and are difficult to move around (both on and off the board)

Any horde army at 28mm becomes a real pain to work with at multiple levels

[bright dove]

Horde armies always make my brain happy.

Until I have to face reality.

[runic swallow]

Yeah, basically

[naive abyss]

these are very real and valid issues

[runic swallow]

Everyone loves the idea of hordes of Nids until they have to deal with hordes of Nids

[naive abyss]

like im aware im weird in this regard

[bright dove]

Once again, the curse of reality stymies what I want.

[torn arrow]

It's only bad for me because I hate painting so fucking much

god I hate it

[bright dove]

Which is to roll fuck off huge amounts of dice.

[torn arrow]

it is the glass I have to chew to get through to playing games

[runic swallow]

Like, hordes of Nids would be wonderful to play… at 10-ish mm

[torn arrow]

I even hate painting 6mm and that's much easier

[naive abyss]

for me im super ambivalent about playing

[runic swallow]

28mm works best as a skirmish game or platoon level (~30 models a side)

[bright dove]

One thing I do really like about Age of Sigmar is that it looks like every army has a way to go with either horde or elite play.

[naive abyss]

like aos and 40k dont have much going on mechanically for me personally though id be down for a casual match if i ever got the chance

[torn arrow]

People like all sorts of different stuff in wargaming as a hobby

[naive abyss]

old world appeals a bit more

[torn arrow]

that's the nice thing

[naive abyss]

ye

[runic swallow]

Well, then you run into “oh no I made his gun and face and not just his coat red”

[torn arrow]

I used to like kitbashing stuff!

[bright dove]

Wargaming is three hobbies in a trenchcoat.

[torn arrow]

just not painting it

[bright dove]

Possibly more.

[naive abyss]

like anyone experience annoyance with painting or etc is super valid

but like eighty percent of my engagement with this hobby is watching painting tutorials, thinking up kitbashes/schemes, and planning out a collection atm

cuz i dont ahve the space to actually hobby lol

[pastel rampart]

Snap back to reality/oh there goes the movement phase

[bright dove]

Entirely fair.

[runic swallow]

If your opponent quits due to your 45 minute movement phase, that’s a win

(No, it’s isn’t, don’t do this)

[floral herald]

Nids are probably the easiest horde to mass paint imo

I think IG are worse than orks who are worse than nids

GSC in there somewhere around orks probably

[jaunty dawn]

nids are pretty fun to speedpaint yeah

[floral herald]

Orks have a lot of gear and colors which makes them more complicated and harder to just use 3 ish colors in a batch or dip

And IG are usually less colorful than orks but you have to paint human faces and people notice those more

GSC are in there somewhere

[jaunty dawn]

tyranids have two colours + detail and the areas are extremely delineated

gaunts do have annoying crannies though

[floral herald]

also people who play IG are more likely to be rivet counters ime

[pastel rampart]

See I think GSC might be harder to mass paint on account of all the little grooved armor details

[jaunty dawn]

my 2 cents on the whole like. individual scale for different army sizes is like

part of the point of the army collecting hobby is to be a bit ridiculous about it

[floral herald]

Yeah I haven't tried much with them - I figure GSC is somewhere around orks

With the added bonus that you get to bring models back to life a lot!

[jaunty dawn]

like there are ppl who collect 7" figures and army build so like yeah haha

[floral herald]

(this is sort of common now I think)

[pastel rampart]

Orks are a bit tricky because you can absolutely cheat in ways that's a bit more difficult for other armies.

[jaunty dawn]

I think the whole faces and bases thing holds with guard

like you don't really have to paint fatigues particularly thoroughly

[pastel rampart]

Wanna paint a bunch of Bad Moons? Rattlecan the whole model yellow and wash the skin portions with green, bam that's like 70% done.

But yeah IG faces are annoying because caucasian skin tones are the devil I feel I never get it right augh

[cunning lintel]

tau are actually rather easy to do large batches of, at least for basic fire warriors, they've got fairly simple, clean designed armor and not a ton of extra doodads and gear floating around

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. They're not a "horde" army so it's less of an issue.

[bold halo]

my heart loves hordes but also hates painting more than a handful of the same thing so I appreciate from a distance

the end result of like 50 dudes all painted up the same is incredible, it's the getting there

[pastel rampart]

Yeeaaaah...

[bold halo]

so I end up picking factions with many big monsters and small elite squads, the more variation the better

[pastel rampart]

As much as I love Kings of War, to pull as an example, it's such a goddamn commitment getting ranks of dudes painted up even if I don't actually have to paint 20 dudes to represent a regiment.

[torn arrow]

that's why 6mm is the best scale for hordes

because if I had to paint this for Hail Caesar (written by ex-GW writers) I would want to die

not that their armies don't look sick

https://www.warlordgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Hail-Game-1.jpg

Here you can see them regretting their decisions

[pastel rampart]

Oh absolutely, if I want to do truly big battles I'd go for 6/10mm.

Which is why it feels like such a kick to the shin that Epic came back just for HH.

[torn arrow]

(that rick there is of course, Rick Priestly)

if you can't tell by the light glancing off his head

formerly one of the three people who wrote warhammer fantasy, 40k rogue trader then left in '09 to write hail caesar and bolt action

he also wrote uhhh necromunda, warmaster, warhammer ancient battles, and the lord of the rings game

his rulesets tend to be not incredibly deep or realistic, but they are remarkably clear and very easy to get into, especially if you've ever played a warhammer game

[pastel rampart]

I think that's fine for the sort of game size he seems to enjoy.

Also I really want a table like that.

[uneven ember]

I can hope they might expand it going forward? :/

[pastel rampart]

I think only if it takes off enough to justify an expansion beyond HH.

Like all we'll probably get is what you've seen in HH, but tiny and more.

So, no orks or eldar or anything other than imperium vs chaos

[uneven ember]

Yeah, which is the advantage of HH for a game.

One model set, one ruleset, much less upfront investment.
(Which is of course why they thought up the Heresy in the first place)

[pulsar cairn]

what's a dreadwing

[brittle salmon]

One of the six wings of the Dark Angel's Hexagrammaton back in the Heresy

Basically their "by any means necessary/complete destruction" division

They're the ones with all the Dark Age of Technology weaponry, phosphex bombs, plasma flamethrowers etc.

[bright dove]

Mmmmm, plasma flamethrowers.

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-coppola-robert-duvall-duvall-colonel-kilgore-gif-21519376

[runic swallow]

Also rad grenades and missiles, so they’re full on “salt the earth with gamma particles” type dudes

[naive abyss]

theyre the unmakers tm

"We have come. We are death

— war-chant of the Dreadwing"

[pastel rampart]

They're one of the two wings you did not ever want to catch the ire of. The other was the Ironwing.

And that was entirely because those fuckers had the Excindio battle-automata, aka Men of Iron driven insane.

[runic swallow]

Yeah, they went in on automata almost as much as the Iron Warriors and Iron Hands, which says something

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. They had the weird shit that no one else talked or knew about.

[runic swallow]

Being first and secretive meant they got ahold of the Weird Shit probably

[unreal cosmos]

I've had an Imperium Maledictum idea floating in my head; what would be a good way to turn a Rogue Trader's flagship into an orbital trade station? I like the idea of a trader getting his ship disabled and just making the most of the situation, but also I don't know what could keep him there.

[upper canopy]

In a horrific accident, he crashed his ship into a Spacehulk

Now MOST of it's cleared and habitable.

[brittle salmon]

most

[uneven ember]

Or maybe his ship just broke and he can't afford a new one.
40K spaceships are expensive

[bitter mortar]

Invasion of the interior by Demons / Necrons / Mandrakes following a Bad Warp Translation / Found a cool glowing obelisk and took it home / caught the Bad Darkness that eats you.

Luckily, where mortal gunfire fails, twin detonation of a vessels plasma reactors can more than suffice. Now what was once his flagging dynasties flagship (and some ownerless asteroids) is a prime trade hub, away from the most discerning of Imperial eyes.

[floral herald]

Oh jeez I might be setting myself up for some trouble

Doing some cool basing but it'll involve painting some techniques I'm not that familiar with

I don't think OSL is that hard but I'm also not that familiar with how to do it

[bold halo]

god damn the night spinner seems good

gun stats aside this feels very strong

it's also shooting a twin linked 3+ so like, you're gonna hit at least once

just pulling double duty on hey, stay the fuck over there and haha, here I come

[pastel rampart]

All else fails, do a test piece on some junk you don't care about (such as sprue or an ultramarine)

[floral herald]

I have some random assault intercessors to do a good dry run on

I think I probably should

[bold halo]

practice is good, OSL is something conceptually pretty simple but hitting the sweet spot of enough for it to read but not going totally overboard takes a little more effort

[floral herald]

That's my worry yeah

Luckily its gonna be on Black Legion colors which feel like they should be pretty forgiving

[naive abyss]

did a basic image kitbash of the companions and man this is a vibe

[past sphinx]

holy shit the Rat ogre scale creep

[naive abyss]

using it as a visual ref for my DA oc lady who is in lesbians with a rogue navigator

[bold halo]

oh yeah on black you basically just get to basecoat black and then paint up your OSL colour, a lot more forgiving

or at least easier to do

[naive abyss]

theyre based on liath and bodhmall who were the totally not lesiban aunts/moms of cu chulain

scuse me not cu chulain fionn mac cumhaill

mixing up my names like a dum dum

[bold halo]

finn mccool 😎

[naive abyss]

"The first Liath Luachra is one of Fionn's foster mothers who raise him after the death of his father Cumhal at the hands of Goll mac Morna. She is a great warrior and a companion of Fionn's aunt, the druidess Bodhmall; together they raise the boy in secret in the forest of Sliabh Bladhma. Eventually Fionn's ever-spreading fame threatens to bring his father's killers to him, and his caretakers send him to find his own way. By this point they have taught him enough that he can survive on his own, and he goes into the king of Bantry's service"

barely joking about them being his lesbian moms/aunts btw

[floral herald]

Not sure how well the photos will come out but I found some cool “alien infestation” basing bits I’m gonna paint up as glowing warp shit for this kill team

[naive abyss]

if joking at all

[bold halo]

oh we love a goopy base

[naive abyss]

the 40ked up names asre Liathus the Grey and Bodhmael the Wise

with liath being the DA loyal fallen and Bodh the navigator

[past sphinx]

did some light conversion on the Free model this month

[floral herald]

I love that piece of shit chainaxe

[naive abyss]

vibe

[past sphinx]

i trust there will be liberal application of goo on them bases

[past sphinx]

Redemptionist box is loaded with great bits for chain weapons and flamers for various freaks and weirdos

[floral herald]

I’m gonna even out the edges with crackle paint or something but I don’t think I’m gonna add much more

[past sphinx]

hmm icic

[floral herald]

Or I may just leave them I’m a fan of the “diegetic basic bits over game piece styled plastic base” aesthetic

[naive abyss]

i do need to find a good spear to give liathus though

[floral herald]

Speaking of chain axes

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/8bGL1O

[bold halo]

I feel like I'm doing archaeology catching up on everything that's happened and seeing things in reverse

like I saw the nerf to devastating wounds from crits doing mortal wounds to just not allowing saves while looking up what those words mean, and then I hear eldar could table their opponent turn 1-2 earliest on in the new edition which led to nerfs, and I knew the wraithknight is a big meta pick

then when I finally actually look at what the model does it all comes together, lmao holy shit this thing did 2d6 mortal wounds on crit at the start of 10th?

just scooping up entire units and putting them back in the box

[floral herald]

And CWE could use fate dice to force crits

[bold halo]

yeah!

[floral herald]

It's like the Deathwatch Mortal Wounds Nuke but it made it to actual play

[bold halo]

what a goofy confluence of things

[floral herald]

CWE could also use Phantasm to JSJ Wraithknights for extremely lethal extremely safe shooting

(This is no longerp possible)

[bold halo]

and then once you've deleted an entire unit with your free wraithcannon crit the yncarne is just

there

this is all making me feel much better about the relative power level of my little guys of choice

it could be so much worse lmao

[floral herald]

It's a shame the Butcher is a sort of niche specialist I really like how this guy came out

[bold halo]

I almost folded and picked up the world eaters combat patrol because I forgot they exist

chain axes rule

the weird juggernauts they ride rule

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/d8dg4W

this is still probably one of the coolest pieces of art for stormcast

[floral herald]

Oh not really that niche yeeesh

[naive abyss]

i wish her actual model chaneled this art more. i like her model but man this art is evocative

[floral herald]

Fucking cannonball of a melee guy

Though a lot of his strength is vs non-elite teams

[bold halo]

I should probably double back and actually read the kill team rules given that's what I'll be playing a fair bit before actual 40k

[floral herald]

I really like the rules for it

They're fairly substantially different though

[bold halo]

I just saw there weren't a ton of build options for blades of khaine anyways and went to read 40k datasheets

I'm like, loosely familiar with bits and pieces of kill team via osmosis but not enough to wing it

[floral herald]

BoK are funky

Fairly complicated choice to make for building them imo even though they're not a "specialist team"

[bold halo]

reasonably simple to start because I'm just running the striking scorpions that come in the new box and don't want to buy any dire avengers or banshees for a bit

might be able to find where my old avengers are, if they're even in one piece, but I never had banshees

[floral herald]

Oh yeah not too many choices with nothing but scorps

[bold halo]

the ceiling's definitely high but I'm starting on the complexity floor

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/oAQr6W

[brittle salmon]

The Butcher being sort of niche is a great example of why I adore how KT does list building

Since you don't make your comp until you hit the table and know what faction the other person is bringing and the map, you actually have an opportunity to bust out guys who otherwise would stay in the box because they're too situational

Straight up inspired choice, imo

[dense sedge]

That’s a great pic

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/aom020

[floral herald]

yeah its great

And the Butcher has a niche he wants to fight lots of 7 wound weak melee teams

[brittle salmon]

Yeah he'll tear through small guys for brekky

Especially if you slap MoK on him

[floral herald]

Yeah MoK is great

Perpetual Aggression and Hateful Assault can also let him blend groups of melee poor enemies

Really the biggest issue with Butcher is that Legionaries have a lot of really good melee specialists

Anointed is great for more elite teams and just viciously tough

Shrivetalon is hard to run but insanely good

Grisly Mark really fucks up objectives for 2 APL teams and Vicious Reflexes makes it really safe to just Conceal your way around and play objectives

[runic swallow]

Man, that’s just a horror movie villain

I’d like to try Kill Team some day

[brittle salmon]

The Shrivetalon is great as an anti-melee boy

Since he has ASF

[floral herald]

Complete with bigg knives and an edgy skull mask

[floral herald]

If you're down for TTS I'd be good to set up a game

I have... most of the resources for it collected but haven't been able to play much for a while

[runic swallow]

Oh, I don’t have that or know if my Mac can run it

Thanks tho

[floral herald]

It works on mac but is frustrating to use with low specs

(I don't know what you've got)

[runic swallow]

Yeah, I’d rather not mess with it right now tbh

[floral herald]

no worries

[brittle salmon]

TTS has very low sys requirements, tbf

[desert jay]

Sys reqs mostly depend on how many textures you need to load into RAM

Some games with lots of hi-res cards can be hefty

[brittle salmon]

That's fair

[runic swallow]

Anyhow, related to previous discussion, Killteam seems more at home with the 28mm scale than a lot of the main game seems to be these days

(Trying to fit in multiple tanks at this scale always made stuff kinda funny)

[floral herald]

Yeah word

I also like how it makes the different factions feel more pronouncedly different

[runic swallow]

Skirmish games are always neat

Oh yeah? Tell me more, I’ve not really looked too deep into the game

[floral herald]

So the smaller model count means that there's more variety in overall unit counts

40k armies aren't usually that different in size especially these days outside of the extremes

But there's some really extreme differences in size in Kill Team

[runic swallow]

Yeah, I know what you mean

[floral herald]

Custodes only get 4 models if you only run them, space marines (except for scouts) only get 6

Vet Guard gets 14

(usually)

Chaos Cult gets 15

[runic swallow]

Neat!

[floral herald]

And you really feel being outnumbered 2 to 1 or worse

[runic swallow]

How do they do Tyranids? With the whole synapse creature stuff

[floral herald]

Even if its balanced because Space Marines are hardcore motherfuckers in a way 40k just doesn't cover

They don't really do synapse iirc

The Hive Fleet kill team (which is a compendium team, but one of the best of them) is some combination of 5 genestealers, 3 warriors, or 8 gaunts/gants

And everything except for the gants/gaunts gets Synapse

Which is pretty good

You get to ignore most of the penalties for being at 1/2 hp or worse if you group up

AIUI Hive Fleet is one of the strongest compendium teams and keeps up with the specialist ones just fine

Which is sort of unusual for compendium teams

But they can be really nasty creeping fast moving genestealers up the map under Conceal orders and using Unseen Hunter for surprise assaults

(Order flips are pretty rare and being able to charge from conceal is really good)

[brittle salmon]

Yeah

It's one of a few reasons Kommandos ran the meta for a few months late last year

[floral herald]

They're back on top actually

[brittle salmon]

They can just charge directly from conceal

Nah they got nerfed

[floral herald]

Oh wait

[brittle salmon]

WRs are back down a bit

[floral herald]

"late last year" is much more recent than normal 😵‍💫

[brittle salmon]

Lmfao

Yes

[floral herald]

The KT meta is super healthy rn IMO

[brittle salmon]

Yeah, the balance team actually does work

[floral herald]

Even if I can be a little sad about how my Legionaries struggle into post-buff kasrkin

[brittle salmon]

Kasrkin did need it

They're super solid at this point

[floral herald]

yeah

I think its winnable anyway you just need to play super differently

Play like a coward and get into melee

Which is really alien to how Legionaries normally wants to play lmao

[brittle salmon]

Yup

If you can kill their radio operator its a big W for you

[desert jay]

Isn't melee the opposite of cowardly?

[brittle salmon]

Since they can basically get a model out of melee for 1 action

[floral herald]

conceal orders are

[desert jay]

Ahhh

[floral herald]

and they're way more important than normal vs the team with basically the most AP shooting

[desert jay]

So ambush melee

[floral herald]

yeah

cause they have 3-4 operatives which can nearly deterministically kill your guys if they get a clean shot

Which is really scary when you only have 6 fellas

[brittle salmon]

And Kasrkin are the best team at getting said clear shots, due to Elite points

If a Marksman gets even a halfway decent shot on a marine, he is probably having a hot-shot longlas bore directly through his cranium and out the other end

[floral herald]

Legionaries in general really hate snipers

[brittle salmon]

Pretty much every marine team does except Phobos

Who can sneak around a lot better

[floral herald]

yeah, and have a much easier time taking out Obscured targets

[brittle salmon]

I like how marines in KT feel really potent but like, not invincible

They're very vulnerable to Dirty Tricks TM

[floral herald]

It's also relatively fun to be on the other side of it

Everyone else needs to do dirty tricks

You have Malicious Volleys and a heavy bolter

[brittle salmon]

Yeah, you have a huge amount of raw power

Even just being able to consistently Shoot -> Charge -> Fight lets you start Killing A Lot of Dudes

[floral herald]

Yeah those kinds of turns are pretty important

[brittle salmon]

Overall my opinion is that KT is the best way to engage with tabletop 40k in the modern day

It has the least barrier of entry with far faster and more balanced games

[floral herald]

word

[brittle salmon]

And, I'll be honest, more faction distinction

[pulsar cairn]

i know imperium isn't known for having practical equipament

but how heavy would a chain sword actually be? ya think it's probably made for some lighter material? or is it the same as titans...just as impractical as it looks?

[upper canopy]

They seem to be easy enough to wield in one hand and duel with so I imagine it's relatively lightweight

Even stuff that doesn't shy away from lambasting practicality like Darktide and Ciphias Cain seem to treat Chainswords as relatively free weapons

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[bold halo]

Yeah the only thing still pulling me into also playing 40k is I like a lot of the bigger scale stuff you don't get to play in kill team

As fun (for me) as a wraithguard KT would be lol

[south axle]

Give me my Knight KT Gdubs

[past sphinx]

Roughly 6 kilos about double the weight of a normal sword it's size. But I'd think the huge engine just foreward of the grip would keep the actual blade somewhat nimble

[pulsar cairn]

[dense sedge]

I’d love a gsc kill team

I bet we’ll get a ymgarl upgrade sprue for purestrains someday

[upper canopy]

We already did I think

@dense sedge

[dense sedge]

Yeah but I mean the various special stuff they could get like acid spitting or crushing claws

[jaunty dawn]

mm

just go crazy with it

[brittle salmon]

We have one already, the Wyrmblade

[untold swallow]

Are there loyalist chapters crafted from the geneseed of now-traitor primarchs?

[unreal cosmos]

Most of it is left coyly vague but the short answer is yes

[south axle]

Of course not. Absolutely no heretic geneseed in loyalist chapters. cough cough

[unreal cosmos]

To put it another way, there are a bunch of loyalist chapters with "their gene-sire is unknown or kept hidden" but there are a lot of very blunt hints

[untold swallow]

brb gonna make a primaris chapter that has fem!marines and knows its geneseed is that of magnus the red

[unreal cosmos]

yeah that's all legit

Primaris specifically have the detail that Cawl like, asked if he could use traitor Primarch geneseed and Guilliman said no, which knowing Cawl just means that he decided to be sneaky about it

[floral herald]

I think GW avoids confirming it for published chapters to avoid making specific ones “the X geneseed chapter”

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/privacy-fairlyoddparents-dinkleburg-parents-gif-8951246

"OH GULLIEMAN"

[untold swallow]

Question

Does cloning exist

In a not super illegal form

XD

[upper canopy]

"I'm respecting your Primarchhood by asking but asserting my authority as an Archmagos by doing it anyway!"

Yes

[jaunty dawn]

dark eldar are the best at it

[upper canopy]

Cloning is done literally all the time

[jaunty dawn]

kriegers are maybe clones

[upper canopy]

It's how most servitors are made

And how Geneseed is farmed.

[untold swallow]

Cuz I am terminally feypilled and had the idea of 'what if this is a wandering chapter and they do what amounts to changeling shit'

[jaunty dawn]

like spartan 2s

[untold swallow]

i.e. kidnap infants they psychically detect and replace them with feeble clones

Yes, like spartan 2s

[jaunty dawn]

nice

[untold swallow]

Not where I got the idea but, ultimately

Very similar yes lol

[bright dove]

I think the Souldrinkers wind up having to do something like that.

The Souldrinkers do have to keep doing all sort of weird shit to reinforce their chapter admittedly

Because boy are they not OK as far as the Imperium is concerned.

[brittle salmon]

Kriegers are very heavily implied to be clones

And yeah, vat grown servitors or labour units are super common in the Mechanicus

[pastel rampart]

Cloned marines are probably more common than let on.

[onyx elm]

Thinking about Darktide dialogue and seems like Imperium citizens have fav Astartes chapters like we have fav baseball teams.

Would that make the Ultramarines the Yankees?

[untold swallow]

Either them or the Dodgers

Who're the Cubs lmao

Also I have figured out half this new chapters name

Drakebone

I just need to find a noun to follow it that doesn't sound stupid

[onyx elm]

Oh dang, good question as I'm close to Chicago. And who would the Sox be?

[untold swallow]

Is there a jobber marines chapter

if so

that's the cubs

also figured out the name

The Ivory Drakes

ALso

[unreal cosmos]

Lamenters, Crimson Fists, probably Mantis Warriors

[untold swallow]

I think what I want for this chapter

Is a weird dragon hunting tradition

As in what the exodites call dragons

And their armor is festooned with their bones

and they do psyker fortifying scrimshaw with them

mantis warriors are the cubs

[jaunty dawn]

40k needs more dragons

[untold swallow]

We need marines with beast mounts tbh

[upper canopy]

I wrote dragons being part of my Eldar Craftworld

Star-wyrms are massive, highly intelligent creatures that are often mistaken for simple beasts. However, the Sarathai Aeldari know they are each geniuses in their own right, as they are only able to speak telepathically and only deign to do so with creatures remotely considered to be a peer. Rare is the Aeldari that can be trusted enough to be allowed to mount one into battle, but the sheer beacon of psychic glory that such a duo becomes is enough to rally even the most desperate situation into unstoppable conquest.```

[untold swallow]

I'm gonna be very self-indulgent with this lol

the chapter-master is an immensely powerful librarian mounted on a space dragon, festooned with psychically active drakebones, and wielding what she vociferously denies is a witchblade that is the subject of varying stories of her acquisition of it, from discovering it on a dead world, to taking it as a war-trophy, to being gifted it by a forbidden lover

[mental birch]

Fun fact scouts with power claws are very funny

Scouts with a 9" move and therefore a inherent +1 to charge and able to take another +1

Is really funny as well

31 attacks babbyy6y

[thin ibex]

scouts in the current edition are actually really great arent they? especially for the points?

[mental birch]

Yeah bit this is horus heresy

Unit

[thin ibex]

ohhh

neat!

still look cool

i wonder if wolf scouts will get a discount or get a juiced special rule and kept around teh same cost

[unreal cosmos]

That unit is real cool, fits the Scars

[jaunty dawn]

shroud bombs too

[mental birch]

Gonna use them in ZM

5+ feel no pain is a very funny idea

[jaunty dawn]

I picture them with mini thunder claws like shrike has

[wintry mist]

holy fucking shit I have never seen this guy before

emo boy raven guard

[naive abyss]

votann have entered the chat

[floral herald]

Shrike’s new model is great

[jaunty dawn]

hope we get a generic unit of phobos jump marines

[junior robin]

now I want to make a custom chapter that got angel in its name but traits are a mix of dark and blood angels...

[jaunty dawn]

maroon angels

[junior robin]

looking up other shades of red, how does chocolate cosmos angels sound? 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

amazing

[junior robin]

named after the chocolate cosmos flower

[quaint compass]

Chocolate Squires

[uneven ember]

oh my god he has the emo hair
I love it

[wintry mist]

I was going to say Cosmos Angels works better

BUT it is also whatever you want to do

[uneven ember]

"Crawling in my skin
These wounds they will not save"

[wintry mist]

thinking of starting a Tempestus Scion focused army

is it worth doing?

[quaint compass]

I played against one, the current detachment rules don't support aggressive/mobile play and their fliers are, you know, fliers. In addition, they lack clear AT option

[wintry mist]

the main idea I had was having a detachment that was imperial guard (oops all tanks)

basically scions with guardsman armor support

idek if that's still legal

[jaunty dawn]

you can do that yeah

the only like lean in on scion thing is having a command squad as your warlord makes them battleline

[onyx elm]

"Nay! Tis' not a phase, brother!"

[uneven ember]

"A goth so basic he named himself 'Raven' twice."
"Sorry you don't approve, 'Night Haunter'."
"Night Haunter is cool and everyone thinks so"

[dense sedge]

TTS?

[floral herald]

TableTop Simulator

[dense sedge]

I meant if the above quote came from text to speech

[uneven ember]

No, I just thought it seemed plausible/ funny between the two goth Primarchs.

And I find Konrad especially funny, since every other Primarch goes by whatever name they got from their homeworld, except that BigE apparently showed up with a name he made up himself. Part of the earliest writeup of the whole thing has the exchange going
"KONRAD CURZE, BE AT PEACE, FOR I HAVE ARRIVED AND INTEND TO TAKE YOU HOME."
"That is not my name, Father. I am Night Haunter, and I know full well what you intend for me,"

Now afaik it's not specified, but I have to imagine that immediately afterward there was some kind of exchange like
"YEAH, BUT THAT... LOOK, I HAVE PUT UP WITH A LOT, I'LL DEAL WITH FERRUS MANUS AND CORVUS CORAX, BUT... FUCKING, NO. NOT DOING IT. YOU'RE KONRAD."
"I hate you Father I hate this family no one understands me I tried so hard and got so far in the end"

[torn arrow]

https://twitter.com/GivenAaron/status/1743714463864217915

[uneven ember]

I do think a lot of the GW price complaints get a bit out of hand, but this... this is pretty silly

[naive abyss]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxyKZ4sNR5s/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

duncanjrhodes

I’ve made progress with my Chaos Warriors! Seven regular dudes are now finished so next up is the command group. I’m really happy with how they’re looking so I’ve planned a little army using the 6th edition armylist - I’m sure I’d get away with playing them in that version despite the bases being bigger than usual for Warriors 😄

Btw, for anyone...

Likes

4088

Instagram

man the new warriors look great in the classic black and gold

and i really like how they look squared up

[bright dove]

Chaos Warriors are as cool as ever, yeah.

[naive abyss]

ye

https://vxtwitter.com/TT_The_Colonel/status/1742981862786842947

https://vxtwitter.com/TT_The_Colonel/status/1743268900450480207

[torn arrow]

my models before and after ink washing /s

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/19119zl/funny_miners/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[thin ibex]

i almost wish the strike profile on the axes

were

str 7

[untold swallow]

nids have acid blood right?

[jaunty dawn]

can do

[untold swallow]

pog

I was gonna have my chapter use harvested nid blood for their scrimshaw and armor decoration

as in using it to etch stuff

Let it not be said that these Astartes are peaceable archivists, however, as this deep well of knowledge is drawn from the oceans of blood split from their slain foe, each passage penned or typed is done to convey firsthand experience.I'm rly proud of this sentence too

[uneven ember]

no that's pretty dope

[untold swallow]

I was just like

'how to convey warrior scholar energy'

'well of knowledge drawn from blood'

This chapter also does psychic scrimshaw

wait I said that

They do that, which they totally didn't learn from Exodites, Inquisitor, they swear

[past sphinx]

now u gotta model that shit my friend

gotta do it

its law now

[untold swallow]

Ignore the fact their Chapter master has a Witchblade and a Soul Stone, those are battle trophies

a Soul Stone she stares morosely at and occasionally sheds a tear for

It totally isn't the remains of her girlfriend

Yes I made the Chapter Master of this Chapter a Witchblade wielding, dragon riding, psyker lesbian lady

The truth, as the Chapter tells it, is that these gifts were earned in blood. The dragons whose carcasses were crafted into the great, Warp-calling artifacts held within the Chapter’s Reclusiam were the mounts of Exodite royals, seers, and warriors, and the Witchblade Stardrake was wrenched from the hands of the Witch Queen Margreeka as Master Loreid laid her low.

Foremost in their expertise, as much as anyone in the Imperium can said to be an expert on the subject, is their understanding of the vile Tyranids, for the Ivory Drakes take after their namesake, and hunt this prey across the Milky Way like the scaled beasts of old Terran myth did of laymen and livestock. Beyond being perceived as a duty by the Drakes, as it is for all Ultima Founding chapters, the extermination of Tyranid hosts is to them a lifestyle. A Drake counts their experience by how many teeth they wear on cord necklaces or charms, the alien hide constituting their cloaks, or the messages and images etched with spilt acid blood on their wargear.

[untold swallow]

Do I want my chapter to have a weird grudge against the Sisters of Silence...

Maybe...

[floral herald]

Maybe this is a weird take but

I like how GW's weak and retcon heavy canon policy kind of mimics the Imperium's information control

Excised from history for making someone important look bad

[untold swallow]

I think it may be the latter mimicking and lampshading the former

But

It is a good bit, yes

Also

I just realized this chapter makes no sense as nid hunters

Fuck

Wait no, local psyker abilities still work in battle against nids

They're just

More difficult

[upper canopy]

WHF update

The Dark Elf has contracted the worst of every nurgle thing so far

and now has both a -10 to toughness and the Green Pox

[floral herald]

that seems rough

how bad is the green pox?

[quaint compass]

:D

[upper canopy]

oh right sierra's in here

don't click that

fucker

[quaint compass]

-5% on each characteristic each failed daily save

Won't'a

on 0 Toughbess, die

[floral herald]

wtf that's nasty

[quaint compass]

Don't worry, I understand sthe basics of first aid

She'll be safe

Voy also made a good splash screen for the arc

And I feel I ought to get some art of the new, modified Waldemar

He's been:
Doused in a troll's stomach acid
Face has been scratched by a GIANT spider's fangs
Been chop in the face by a chaos warrior's axe
And then the good wizard cauterized said wound with magical heat

He's going to be the prettiest gal at the ball

Nearly lost an eye to the fucking chaos warrior too

[pulsar holly]

Fabius will remember this

[untold swallow]

I have figured out a source of internal conflict for my chapter

The Inquisition gave them retroactive dispensation for the Exodite-taught scrimshaw on two conditions

They do not continue to make these artifacts (the Ivory Drakes routinely violate this in private)

And being unable to make the Exodite Maiden World they defended using these techniques into their Chapter homeworld

As the Inquisition refuses to allow them to inhabit a place whose spirit they admit taught them xenos magic

This makes them very much dislike the Inquisition, as it was only through these psyker-enhancing artifacts were the foul Tyranid xenos purged

And ultimately is that not what matters?

And so they are a Fleet-Based Chapter

[bold halo]

space marines doing something turbo illegal and daring the inquisition to do something about it, a tale as old as time

[untold swallow]

They may, if I write fic

Move to colonize the world anyway

And just

Personally dare the closest Inquisitors to come and try something

Especially if the world, may the Emperor forbid, comes under threat of Leviathan

[bold halo]

I still can't believe they haven't made exodite minis

like dinosaur riding psychic space elves sounds like a slam dunk to me

I know some people have used like, dark elf cold ones plus eldar kitbashes as jetbike counts-as etc to play exodites but I'm not here to buy three boxes of minis for every unit

[untold swallow]

Both of my homebrew factions have been Imperial factions that Totally Didn't Consort With Exodites Inquisitor, They Swear

Imperial Knights Space Bretonnia and now this faction

[bold halo]

I'm currently torn on going with my boys Yriel's Eldritch Raiders or going more homebrew scheme with wanting to paint red and also play with the biel-tan thorns motif

basically which fiddly freehand pattern do I want to mess with

yvraine's whole ynnari faction colour scheme is very cool but not being able to run an avatar of khaine or phoenix lords is a no go for me

[untold swallow]

F

I have no idea what scheme the Ivory Drakes have

[bold halo]

ayyy someone did something close to what I'm thinking about and it looks sick, I think that might've been the nudge I needed

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/y4jq5r/craftworld_biel_han_i_guess_wip/

[untold swallow]

nice

Also I think the Drakes are going to maybe be perceived as weak for two three reasons by other chapters; Their perceived reliance on Exodite magic, the fact about half of them are women, and that they are notably reluctant to call for an Exterminatus

And at times have all but refused an order to carry one out

[bold halo]

probably gonna tweak it to take it a little further from just saim-hann w/ thorns but it's a start

[untold swallow]

Noice

[floral herald]

Evil biel-tan be like

That's a cool look

[untold swallow]

I have a weird lore question

Are there Eldar sworn to Chaos Gods other than Slaanesh?

[pulsar cairn]

ok i asked before the best mech to invite to a tea party

[floral herald]

If there are they've pretty much never been mentioned

[pulsar cairn]

what's the best space marine chapter to invite to my tea party

traitors are also welcome if u think they would behave

[bold halo]

lamenters because they deserve something nice

[pulsar cairn]

i would invite them even if they are cursed the tea party would probably end up badly tho

[floral herald]

There's been some rare mentions of slaanesh chaos eldar but I think outside of some really old and vague lore thats it

[untold swallow]

The Ivory Drakes, they would compliment your tea and let you pet a warp-dragon

I ask cuz the thorny biel tan scheme made me think of the concept of Khornate Eldar

With a fucked up Avatar of Khaine

[pulsar cairn]

idk much about the Ivory Drakes

[untold swallow]

They are my homebrew chapter!

They're led by a woman who totally doesn't have a dead Exodite gf who gave her her sword and pet dragon

[alpine quarry]

Khaibe and Khorne, Nurgle and Isha, Tzeentch and Cegorach are like closely related enough to suppose a jumo is possible but very unlikely because of how eldar society functions

[bold halo]

I mean the thing that shattered khaine into a thousand pieces spread across the galaxy was khorne fighting slaanesh for possession of him after khaine fell to slaanesh

khainite eldar are basically a hair away from khornate eldar

same ballpark different mascot

[untold swallow]

That's sorta what I'd guessed

Now I wanna make a faction of nihilist khornate eldar

'All is fucked, burn the world'

[bold halo]

part of the reason eldar are a dying race is their incredibly strong draw toward warfare

[alpine quarry]

Craftworlders dont get corrupted because they know how this shit worls and specifically avoid it
Exodites dont get corrupted because they know how this shit worls and specifically avoid it
Dark Eldar dont get corrupted because they are on that torture grindset
Cirsairs dont get corrupted because they are bot really their own culture and still hate chaos

[pulsar cairn]

ok they are invited

[alpine quarry]

Like its possible for any of them to delve into chaos but its just very rare

Eldar are rare already

[floral herald]

Corsairs also know how shit works but yeah they're sort of troublemaking cwe more than anything else

[alpine quarry]

plus they often live pretty fulfilling (to themselves) lives (not counting drukhari)

[bold halo]

craftworlders off the path like corsairs and rangers are knowingly and willingly putting themselves at existential risk

[floral herald]

It's all really high stakes for the eldar cause they stay conscious after they die or something

[untold swallow]

"RAZE THE UNIVERSE IN THE FATHER'S NAME, LET US AID IN THE AVENGING OF HIS SON! IN THE NAME OF KHORNE! IN THE NAME OF KHAELA-MENSHA KHAINE, FOREMOST HEIR OF THE GOD OF BLOOD!"

[alpine quarry]

Unlike mr bobbus who breathes in farts filtered down farts from the upper levels of hive and works in the babygrinding factory

[untold swallow]

Fair

[untold swallow]

But imagine a Khornate warlock screaming this above a bloody battlefield while she vaporizes Slaaneshi demons

[floral herald]

They'd probably be doing better if every eldar didn't wonder deep down how good they'd be at swordfighting if they really put their mind to it

[bold halo]

that all said eldar of all stripes have a pretty large chip on their shoulder regarding the chaos gods re: the homeworlds

the elven urge to fist fight a bear because you could totally take him

[alpine quarry]

Who doesnt even know what that kheyos of yours is but that talking wall sure promises more exciting life opportunities

[untold swallow]

I imagine Chaos-inclined Eldar would be those who leave the craftworlds because they don't want to think about how good they'd be at swordfighting in a millenia

And also didn't want to be pirates or rangers or disciplined really

The probably exceedingly rare ones with just

utterly zero fucks to give

[alpine quarry]

So imo if aeldari fall to chaos its likely just accidental tapping, rather than a dekiberate one

Corsairs are most likely to tap into it consciously or even worship due to being exiles and such

Gid most likely followed would be Khorne as associated with Khaine

For an aeldar stakes are just so much higher and they know it

[untold swallow]

Real "A spurned child will burn the village to feel its warmth" vibes

[alpine quarry]

I do think a khornate eldar would make for a REALLY cool antagonist tbh

[untold swallow]

FUCK IT KHORNATE ELDAR ANTAGONIST FOR MY CHAPTER BAYBEEEEEEEE

[bold halo]

the slip from khainite aspect warrior martial prowess to reveling in murder for murder's sake is kind of a natural one to take

[untold swallow]

TOTALLY NOT THE CHAPTER MASTER'S DEAD EXODITE GF'S EX

[alpine quarry]

It just speaks of so much desperation or perhaps insanity, as even drukhari dont do that, despite revelling in murder

[bold halo]

yeah the risk of slaanesh slurping your soul like a capri sun if you so much as glance in that direction is a pretty strong deterrent

[floral herald]

I think the only thing which really makes sense for it is some belief that you can buy off the gods

Though that sort of makes Khorne an option

Spill enough blood for the big brass guy to intercede

[untold swallow]

I think if you do enough of the whole blod bones etc

Yeah

And I think in this case 'wipe out an entire psyker-chapter of space marines and offer their souls to Khorne' might do it

Especially if, again

[bold halo]

anyways this means eldar with a chainaxe so you should do it

[untold swallow]

One of them is your dead exodite girlfriend's... widow?

[alpine quarry]

Its a sort of a rules-breaking-but-not-really shit that i actually love tbh

Another concept that i saw people throw around is a necron phaeron that actually likes aeldari

Not because he liked them back in the day, but because hes an old fart and the universe is so different, but knife ears remind him of his good old days

[rocky shale]

scorpions already have 2-handed chainswords so hardly a stretch

[bold halo]

it's 40k everyone gets chainsaws

the real question now that I'm committing to deep red + thorns as a theme is

do I stick to classic aspect warrior colours or mix it up

[alpine quarry]

I am trying to think of a faction that doesnt
Tyranids?

[naive abyss]

votann

[bold halo]

tau don't because they need robots to lift anything heavier than a glass of water

[floral herald]

Custodes I think

[naive abyss]

necrons

[alpine quarry]

I thought tau had some chaindaggers, or do they JUST use blades?

[uneven ember]

I do fondly remember a thing in the old Lieber Chaotica books where the guy writing it was p much going "okay so, Khaine... that's obviously Khorne, right? It's obvious to everyone else that this is localized Khorne?"

[floral herald]

I think for on foot things we've just seen bonding knives and the ethereal staffs

[bold halo]

it's not but khorne did go "this guy is mine now" at the earliest opportunity

anyway I'm glad we're all agreed that literally every faction has chainsaws

honestly tyranids should just because a meat chainsaw made of teeth is great

[untold swallow]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ONE OF THE SCRIMSHAW RELICS FOR THE DRAKES IS THE 1ST COMPANY CAPTAIN'S CHAINSWORD

MADE WITH RUNECARVED NID TEETH

[bold halo]

happy to be of service

[untold swallow]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

I FUCKING LOVE WARHAMMER

[bold halo]

what's warhammer for if not making things that are cool as hell

[untold swallow]

Also I think it probably deeply amuses my partner who's into 40k that to make a marine chapter I had to make them dragon riding, aeldari-consorting psykers who are led by a woman

Also I think a funny detail would be that, outside of the rare non-psyker member

Ivory Drakes are fucking terrible shots

and the focusing staff is a more common armament than the boltgun

[pastel rampart]

re: chaos eldar, we only ever have a single small paragraph regarding them back from the 2e Eldar book.

http://puu.sh/JYkY4/60cb7107cc.jpg

It hasn't been touched on since.

[naive abyss]

i do find it funny you had to make a whole chapter of magic marines who use swords yes lol

[untold swallow]

:3

Battlemages go brrrt

or more accurately warp-lightning noises

[naive abyss]

i just find it funny youre trying to do eldar as much as possible but not just do eldar lol

[untold swallow]

also you love that I do that stuff uwu

It's part of my charm

[naive abyss]

i find it amusing yes

[untold swallow]

Love I literally have a corsair fleet idea

Now, admittedly

They are led by a Seer

So I am still not beating the 'need everything to be magic' allegations

[bold halo]

ok but they make everything out of magic bone that they sing into shape, eldar need to be magic

[untold swallow]

also I'm listening to a lore video on the gray knights

man

Whoever made these fuckers just could not decide between arthurian knights and battlemages

Like god damn

What can't gray knights do

[alpine quarry]

Matt ward received so much hate for grey knights

[floral herald]

Have real anti tank :p

[untold swallow]

He doesn't deserve hate

But

Jesus Fucking Christ

The most Gary of Stus

[alpine quarry]

In the end i think grey is the best way to describe them

They are boring

[untold swallow]

Are these the like

main loyalist psyker marines?

I really hope not

[floral herald]

They're the only all-psyker chapter if that's what you mean

[untold swallow]

If my only psyker marine rep is librarians, the Sons, and these fuckers

I will cry

I am crying

[floral herald]

1k sons weren't even all psyker haha

[untold swallow]

I am in pain

[naive abyss]

blood angels

[bold halo]

yeah all the 1k sons that weren't psykers got dusted

[alpine quarry]

I think they are functionally just custodes 2 but psychic

[naive abyss]

white scars technically

also wolves

[upper canopy]

No chapter could maintain all psykers without the express support of like

[untold swallow]

wait what?

[upper canopy]

Terra

[untold swallow]

Oh not like

All psykers

[floral herald]

They're so much older than stodes though

[untold swallow]

Just a notable component of their tactics

[naive abyss]

sanguinius founded the librarius

[alpine quarry]

Like we have marines and then we have SPECIAL SUPER SPECIAL marines

[floral herald]

(In game history, not lore)

[alpine quarry]

Mhm

[naive abyss]

and teh scars and sons supported it

[upper canopy]

Then yeah you have a bunch of options

[untold swallow]

Like they'd be a fundamentally different chapter in terms of character if they didn't have that concentration

Okay thank God

Fuck

[floral herald]

I think GK are interesting but usually kind of underexplored

[upper canopy]

You could go Silver Skulls or Blood Ravens who do a lot of psyker stuff

[naive abyss]

also wolves have allot of psyker shit

but refuse to call it that

[upper canopy]

But the only psykers you're getting are Librarians :v

if you don't go Grey Knights.

[untold swallow]

Space Wolves have 'Rune Priests' right?

[alpine quarry]

Ill be real i havent heard a thing about them since wardian era

[untold swallow]

Which, yeah

totally not psykers

[floral herald]

I like their mix of "spec ops but magic is real" thing they have going on for their planning and how entirely ruthless they are

[naive abyss]

they also have the weird werewolfs

who are related to all their magic shit lol

[untold swallow]

Ayo what the fuck

[naive abyss]

youd probably like the 13th company thinking about it rhi

[untold swallow]

You know what, not surprised

hm?

[floral herald]

No Grey Knight has ever fallen to chaos not because they have magic anti-chaos plot shielding they're just obsessively serious about it and have maintained a 10k year long record

[untold swallow]

I actually like this part of them tbh lol

[naive abyss]

its the wolf stuff that appeals to me as well but still its literally weirdo not talked about company of werewolves lol

[untold swallow]

Just

'No'

[thin ibex]

im actually 100% ok with them never having fallen to chaos

[floral herald]

(Though the GK do have regular magic warding vs chaos, that's standard issue, and part of why they don't paint their armor)

[untold swallow]

iirc you can have grey knight units in like

[naive abyss]

id like gk if they get modern models

[untold swallow]

The Daemonhunters game

[naive abyss]

the current baseline infantry are very doofy imo

[floral herald]

(Paint reduces the purity of their armor)

[untold swallow]

Fuck I kinda wanna get the DH game

[untold swallow]

wait seriously?

[naive abyss]

what game?

[untold swallow]

That's actually interesting

[thin ibex]

chaos gate

its actually pretty fun

[naive abyss]

love thats a joke

[thin ibex]

but it can be hard

[untold swallow]

Chaos Gate Daemonhunters

Oh

Wait then how's it supposed to be funny lol

[naive abyss]

like how the gk rubbed sob blood on themselves that one time

[pastel rampart]

I liked GK when they were the 3e metal models, visually speaking. The plastic kits are like...worse versions of those.

[naive abyss]

which isnt a joke but is no longer canon

[thin ibex]

i think the joke was a bout painting their armor, not the chaos gate game

[untold swallow]

I'm sorry what?

[thin ibex]

wasnt that retconned fu

[untold swallow]

oooooooooooh

[naive abyss]

i said as much storm lol

[thin ibex]

ah i missed it

[untold swallow]

anyways

[bold halo]

the 3e metal grey knight terminators were a peak sculpt

[floral herald]

It's not the only reason - they also routinely do teleport ops and use inscribed wards which either damage paint or shouldn't be painted over

[alpine quarry]

I played against grey knights in kill team

[untold swallow]

I think I'm going to have the Drakes be on paper a Salamnder successor chapter