Warhammer and Such

[tired cairn]

(tbh, 40k has the problem of reusing the same published characters in too many places making the universe feel very small)

[floral herald]

I think doing late-MCU style “haha look at what I can reference” namedrops is lame but I think it’s also usually not the best to set something in an established setting and studiously avoid all the named characters

[thin ibex]

lot of unnamed chapter masters out there

[tired cairn]

Fair, it's probably an overreaction on my part

[floral herald]

Admittedly the only published character I really directly referenced in my last 40K campaign was The Cacodominus

[thin ibex]

tbf, also, theres a huge galaxy and a small minority of named characters, there's plenty of room for no published characters to ever be brought up except in passing

but if you're selling stakes, presumably you could bring in names characters of import

Like if Lord Solar Leontus is present, you can bet whatever you're doing is likely important on a very large scale

though from what i can tell from what Cyan has said, a group of T4 characters are effectively like a squad of protagonist captain characters, and not a measured as a normal space marine perse

complete with plot armor and plot weapons

also, WRT earlier, to be clear, my overall point was that I don't think the circumstances that evolve in an existing world wholly absolves a worldbuilder or GM from owning what they put in the world. I actually don't have a baseline issue with player death, especially as a result of how they interact with the world, but at the end of the day I'm the one who put those things in the world to encounter or interact with and if something exists in a world, I have to own the possibility of it being encountered or interacted with.

Nor do I think circumstances absolve a GM of their power to influence an outcome if the table read, as far as expectations and priorities, conflict badly with the scenario's outcome. I don't think GM's should be corner safing every element or insulating players from consequences, but you're absolutely empowered to insulate or shift and outcome in the interest of a better story or more satisfying table experience

back to named characters, sometimes you do also have to kinda ask yourself what narrative utility you're gaining from using a named character; cause many come with sizable reputations which can be very useful as an impactful thing, but that reputation can actively narrow the scope of your narrative

[upper canopy]

Remember that in whfrp 2nd edition the most popular published campaign had Karl Franz and Boris Todbringer assassinated

Kill whoever Dawg it's cool

Imo

[spice flicker]

Siege terra and kill the emperor

Do what horus and the chaos gods couldn't do.

[thin ibex]

kill the emperor, kill the chaos gods, finish off the ctan, unmake reality

be what Kaldor wished he could be

and march into the warp and curbstomp the chaos gods into non-existence

then do what the entirety of the necrontyr couldn't do, and backhand the ctan and their shards from existence

drop the people's elbow on the emperor from orbit

[spice flicker]

Make Gork and Mork submit

Devour the Tyranid Hive Mind

[thin ibex]

finish off khaine

[spice flicker]

Slay the Greater Good

[thin ibex]

make the laughing god the punchline of their last joke

[spice flicker]

Beat me to that one

[thin ibex]

xD

[spice flicker]

Make bel'akor bel-anomore

[thin ibex]

destroy the omnissiah with a paradox

[spice flicker]

Void the void dragon

Bring light to the night bringer

[thin ibex]

let abaddon attempt to stab you with Drach'nyen, obliterate the demon within when he does, then slap abaddon with both hands

create the four armed emperor, then destroy them

[spice flicker]

Make abaddon the despoiler into his true destiny: abaddon the armless.

Put the Lion back to sleep

[thin ibex]

fulfill Dante's fondest wish

finish off the lamenters

[wintry mist]

a lot of discourse about Tyberos I started

[spice flicker]

Beat the blood Angels to stealing all of Trayzn's stuff

[thin ibex]

put trayzn into your museum

[wintry mist]

but yeah I get what everyone's saying. I'm just concerned about how to put him in. but as a threat on the board that is scary but never directly interacted with unless the players do something stupid

[spice flicker]

Make the silent king scream

[thin ibex]

retcon the retcon of Eldrad's death

reduce marneus to just a head

[upper canopy]

Just have him be a clock and otherwise just have him slaughtering through wherever they are with windows to his area but no access

[spice flicker]

In all honesty just treat him as a shark in the ocean the party is swimming in. By that I mean have the party be aware that he is planetside and careful to not draw his wrath. If the party doesn't threaten him he might leave them be but if they get in his way then he might provide an example of why he is called the Red Wake.

It isn't like he is angron and will kill everything he lays his eyes on.

[dense sedge]

what's up with Tyberos and the space sharks?

[wintry mist]

Thinking of including him in my campaign working with the inquisitor BBEG

[past sphinx]

wdym?

[wintry mist]

asking why we are talking about him

[dense sedge]

what makes him and his chapter villaiins by space marine standards?

[wintry mist]

they blew up a hive city

(among other things)

[spice flicker]

Soft spoken tyberos and the charchadons are known for being quite brutal in battle but I always saw them as more neutral all things considered than one of the more villainous chapters.

If you want a more malevolent chapter there is the Marines malevolent or maybe a homebrew chapter. If the high lords are involved maybe the minotaurs since they're the HL attack dogs but otherwise just one of the more brutal and heavy handed chapters.

[pulsar holly]

Tyberos and the Charchadons are basically what the Space Wolves were in the Great Crusade. The Imperium (well the Emperor for the wolves) personal executioners, like the Minotaurs. Except with a bit more similarities to the Night Lords

Charchadons kinda freaked everyone out during the Badab War

[dense sedge]

the flesh tearers are cool as a completely psycho faction

[spice flicker]

Yet still ultimately loyal

[thin ibex]

They're effectively a far fielding space combat specialized chapter that is often far removed from the ongoings of the Imperium at large. They're noted for their fear tactics, brutality, and the way they replenish supplies and personnel. The carcharadons I mean

They're secretive, like the raven guard, and often uncompromising

[pulsar holly]

They got a novel detailing a conflict between them and the Night Lords before. It was really bad news for the regular humans caught in the crossfire

[thin ibex]

A big part of theirs brutal rep comes from the idea that they don't at all fight to preserve infrastructure as a part of their doctrine, but rather primarily seek the destruction of their enemy by any means

I imagine this comes from their waste not mentality, and seeking the greatest impact with the least loss to themselves

[spice flicker]

Some have speculated they (Charadons) might be night lord derived or World Eater derived.

[past sphinx]

they Ravens

Ravens from Terra specifically

[spice flicker]

Also some speculate the Minotaurs are Iron Warrior derived which I choose to believe.

[past sphinx]

big on slaves, Bird man wasnt

so off to the outer dark they went, exiled and such

[thin ibex]

Their almost certainly originally from pre heresy raven guard and still use their hierarchal names. But there's apparently speculation due to ashen claws commentary that they might have chimeric origins/ incorporated disparate elements from other chapters

They're*

In addition, the Chapter is related to the Renegade Ashen Claws which are descended from Raven Guards who abandoned the Imperium before the Horus Heresy. However, the Ashen Claws do not consider the Carcharodons full relatives, instead regarding them as "mongrel[s]", "traitor-born", "monster[s]" and calling a captured World Eater a "brother" of the Carcharodons. This suggests that the Carcharodons might be of mixed origin or even chimeric.[8f]

[spice flicker]

So RG+WE maybe?

[thin ibex]

possible, but unconfirmed

hmm, which detachment works best for Carcharadons? first thought was vanguard but it mostly interface with phobos, so maybe stormlance?

[spice flicker]

Gladius?

[past sphinx]

i dont think Carcs have primaris?

not in any real numbers

[thin ibex]

what a journey that would be for torchbearers

to find the carc fleet in the black void to offer them reinforcements

[solemn gull]

Damn

[wintry mist]

specifically to get at their enemies, yeah

rather than fight through the hive city to get to them they just blew it up

[solemn gull]

Are their bosses mad about that?

[wintry mist]

they did get mad but also what are you going to do about that

"during the final battle of the Badab War on Badab Primaris, the homeworld of the Renegade Astral Claws Chapter and Lufgt Huron, the Tyrant of Badab, the Carcharodons sabotaged the ancient atomic and geo-thermal reactors which powered the world's hive cities and fed its hungry planetary defence batteries with energy. This resulted in a planetary tectonic upheaval, with entire hive city sectors collapsing into yawning chasms that opened up in the ground beneath them, replaced by seas of molten lava."

[thin ibex]

Unable to deny their effectiveness despite his own misgivings, Commander Carab Culln gave the Carcharodons the responsibility of attacking the primary infrastructure of Badab Primaris, while the Star Phantoms prosecuted the attack on Lufgt Huron's seat of power. The Chapter interpreted the orders in their usual brutally efficient manner, and sabotaged the reactor cores of the primary hives located on the planet. The resultant tectonic upheaval broke the back of the Secessionist forces, but also kick-started the process of the world's demise. Countless Loyalists died in the hurried retreat that followed, and to this day it is said that the Star Phantoms hold the Chapter in ire for what happened[3h].

[floral herald]

IIRC they're known for jump pack ops and close combat so one of those detachments

I struggle to keep the names straight

[thin ibex]

i also realized that lightning claws are better than i give them credit for on virtue of the twin linked tag

especially against an oath target

[ebon forge]

Lore wise the lightning claws are insane two, is like... 3 power swords coming at once

Also, been doing the Heretic route in Rogue Trader
It has been
Funny

[unreal cosmos]

I believe the guy who invented them said that was the original intent but it might not be capital C Canon

[thin ibex]

Honestly, thinking about it, despite 1st company not being competitive, it might be a great fit if only for the battleshock interaction

[floral herald]

Oh yeah that's a good option

It's a shame 1st coy isn't that good its one of the most narratively cool

[wintry mist]

Just had a really cool idea for a character idea for my campaign and it's an Inquisitorial acolyte who joined their inquisitor in defecting to the Farsight Enclaves

I imagine that inquisitors leave all the time

[desert jay]

Is 1st cpy one of those "would be good if battleshock was good" things or is it meh regardless of the bshock interaction?

[floral herald]

both

It's big thing is a 1/game Super Oath Of the Moment which is meh and a lot of the stratagems are battleshock related and its meh

[thin ibex]

It also feels bad because they effectively get a 1/ battle access to old oath of moment

[desert jay]

Oh shit it's only 1/battle, damn

[dense sedge]

aww, mini of hte months is a fellgor, I was hoping it would be a ghoul

[thin ibex]

Theme wise they're very "shock and awe" and I love it

But unfortunately, it just doesn't work well for them

[wintry mist]

oooh yeah it's all coming together

the party so far is an Exodite Eldar, Fire Warrior Breacher, Cadian Guardsman, and a mysterious 4th person who hasn't decided on something yet

[desert jay]

Also dang they really should've given "ADEPTUS ASTARTES TERMINATOR, BLADEGUARD VETERAN SQUAD, STERNGUARD VETERAN SQUAD or VANGUARD VETERAN SQUAD" a tag

Esp b/c then wolf guard or w/e can have the tag too

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098309633417945098/1192318111442018384/DGwv4nC.png?ex=65a8a3c5&is=65962ec5&hm=a13b0cc738544833193e1da14ec39d8ecf9f6856173fe0fa162daee4743c8a80&

[dense sedge]

what campaign has them all working together?

[thin ibex]

Yeah does annoy me that is harder to use non Terminator wolf guard for this

its quite hard to build a 1st born army these days lol

i do like how devastators are still premium at being dropped from space with 8 grav guns

to just make a vehicle's day bad

[floral herald]

Devacide is super space marine-y its great

[alpine quarry]

a cool one

[floral herald]

FSE allies campaign

Though W&G does assume (and has a pocket setting with) more cooperation than mainline 40k

[thin ibex]

i do feel like at a ground level, there is probably more cooperation than the higher level examination of the conflicts in the setting might suggest

[floral herald]

Yeah that's implied for sure

Especially around the edges

[dense sedge]

if I played a warhammer rpg, I'd probably want to play as a flesh crafter, an incubus, a navigator or some sort of xenotech smuggler

[floral herald]

Funnily enough there's rules for all of those in FFG Rogue Trader

[thin ibex]

its been a while but i still remember and appreciate (i think it was) Ciaphas commenting on how much he respected the Tau pathfinders when they ended up working together

cause the pathfinder had been in some tunnels slaying nids iirc

[unreal cosmos]

Who's the best Warhammer character to have played or voiced by Jeffery Combs

[pastel rampart]

Trazyn, full stop.

He'd bring a certain gravitas to the role while also knowing exactly when to lean into the full insanity of a necron who gets his kicks from having a collection.

[wintry mist]

a Farsight Enclaves campaign where they are all living on Gue'vesa'rio, the human world in the FE. They're all interested in investigating and nipping an Imperial Cult resurgence in the ass before it can get out of hand and cause a full on rebellion.

I've got a few side content ideas for when people cant make it to session

like a Craftworld invasion

[unreal cosmos]

Very good pick right out the gate

[wintry mist]

well we have the first meme of my campaign and it isn't starting until march

[floral herald]

https://youtu.be/rqhK7zUOdFA

This is kinda incredible

[thin ibex]

i might start a mechanicus playthrough on the steam deck, never could commit to it on the pc

since chaos gate is not playable on steam deck as of yet

[pulsar holly]

Love the fact that the Tau, unintentionally, created and have their own Goddess of the Greater Good now. (Not that the 4th Expansion Sphere fleet is happy about that)

[thin ibex]

oh it wasn't the tau that created them, i think the implication is that the humans who joined the tau empire and other psychically active auxiliary races did so

because the tau themselves have almost no presence in the warp

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/ZamPainting/status/1742878478830043344

[past sphinx]

not a big fan of NMM but those swords are just really nicely done

wait arent those in the 40k like elite cult box?

[thin ibex]

nmm?

and yeah they look like the dudes who come with the chaos hq guy

or squad

[past sphinx]

non metallic metal

[thin ibex]

ahh ty

[pastel rampart]

That sort of effect for power weapons/magic weapons doesn't really feel like NMM, even if it technically is.

[thin ibex]

oh did gw stop selling "glazes" iirc a long while back i used one for plasma gun, to just glaze over the white on the power coils with a blue glaze

[pastel rampart]

They did, yeah

[wintry mist]

I just realised

[pastel rampart]

Vallejo has some glazes, and people have gotten good results with contrast/xpress/speedpaint as glazes when thinned properly.

[wintry mist]

the Imperial Guardsman is now an Imperial Acolyte who defected

I just realised I could have their master be the BBEG

It's all coming together

[pulsar holly]

It's why I said unintentional. The 4th Fleet thinks their philosophy taught to the auxiliaries is what resulted in T'au'va forming. But it's not hard confirmed far as I'm aware.

And she ||showed up much much earlier than the 4th Expansion Sphere Fleet's encounter with her. She showed up when Shadowsun was still training in her youth, and helped her survive a trial.||

(Shadowsun novel spoiler)

https://youtu.be/PpTjohCedYw Kinda like this color scheme for the Tyranids. Also he did one I really like for the Leagues that looked to be inspired a little bit by the NASA Astronaut suits, and the Rebels from Star Wars.

[pulsar holly]

Kinda hoping we eventually see playable Navigators in Imperium Maledictum, or at least being connected or related to a Navigator House.

[upper canopy]

I think a patron being a Navigator is good but I don't think making playable Navigators ever really

"works"

[brittle salmon]

It's honestly like, a really big lore break to have them playable 99% of the time

Rogue Trader barely gets away with it and it's still silly there

[naive abyss]

i think you could do playable navigator in like wang

maledictum is a bit too low power for it imo

[pulsar holly]

Even for the lower ranking members of the house?

[naive abyss]

i mean your lowest ranking navi still has the fucked up warp eye

so more or less yes lol

[brittle salmon]

Navigators are some of the most valuable members of the Imperium

[naive abyss]

cuz your pysker levels in maledictum is basically "boy howdy i hope i can cast a little electriciwty without a blood raining from the sky"

[brittle salmon]

They are not going to be slumming around in kinds of settings IM takes place in

[naive abyss]

i mean im less talking that angle and more the fact your lowest navigator is like the equivalent of a high mid to low high power sanctioned psyker

since the third eye alone theoretically can just warp souls grab people if they look at it lol

which is before they start doing weird space magic

[brittle salmon]

I am talking that angle tho

Both are valid

[naive abyss]

oh for sure

like yes the way they are valued by the IOM also is part of that

[upper canopy]

Navigators work as PCs if like

they're the "protagonist" essentially

The game is probably based around keeping them alive

[naive abyss]

but even removing that like fluffier element and just like "mechanics of power levels" look at it it doesnt work lol

[brittle salmon]

Yup yup

Pretty much

[naive abyss]

at least for maledictum lol

wang i could see it

[brittle salmon]

I'd be down for that I think

[upper canopy]

Last of Us style "gruff man adopts child" but the "child" is in the top .001% of privleage you'll ever meet

[naive abyss]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1255941982/legendary-orc-warriors-regiment-physical-forge

[pulsar holly]

Hmm, what about eventually playable xenos in Imperium Maledictum? I mean we do have Ordo Xenos patron where it's brought up that some can be a little more "unorthodox", or the Rogue Trader patrons.
(Also hoping for an eventual Chaos themed supplement for the game. Just like I'm hoping for more playable Chaos options in Warhammer Fantasy 4E)

[naive abyss]

the most likely would be kroot or kin imo

[pulsar holly]

😔 Damn not even a rogue T'au, or Aeldari

[naive abyss]

eldar more or less by nature exist above the maledictum power level lol

[pulsar holly]

(Yes yes, there is Wrath & Glory but I'm not as big a fan of character creation for that one even if I intend on playing it eventually)

Even an Aeldari Exile armed with like the most basic rifle?

[upper canopy]

I think honestly IM is going to keep the vibe of Dark Heresy as much as possible.

And keep it humans only

[naive abyss]

i hope we at least get ratling and squats tbh

[pulsar holly]

What about abhumans like Ogryns and Ratlings. (Still surprised Ratlings is just Halflings, I literally thought they were some form of rat like humans for the longest time)

[naive abyss]

ogryns are weird for maledictum just due to how physically strong they are lol

[cunning lintel]

well, after many poked fingies from the spiky bits and almost a whole bottle of glue, i have finally finished building my chrimbus deldar

[pulsar holly]

I mean a DM can work with it I suppose, but I think an Ogryn can still work.

[upper canopy]

This I can see working.

[cunning lintel]

(will send pictures at a later time)

[pulsar holly]

Wait....-squints- Squats....squats....SQUATS?! OI DID YOU JUST FOOKIN' CALL ME A SQUAT?!

[naive abyss]

no im using the term the IOM uses for kin within the IOM

to clarify i meant IOM kin not LOV kin

[pulsar holly]

Got my eyes on you

[naive abyss]

i am literally the biggest space dorf and dorf in general simp on this server most likely so aight lol

[pulsar holly]

I'm probably gonna go Leagues of Votann whenever I get the money to afford a box or two, and some more gear for painting and assembling.

I mean I have the old Primaris v Plague Marine box set, but didn't have the space at home (still don't) and just lost interest eventually in trying to do Space Marines. (I like Space Marines, particularly Salamanders and White Scars when it comes to the loyalists. BUT the interest in an army comes and goes) Meanwhile....Leagues

Course I also have to make my mind up on whether I go AoS or 40k, cause I'm not doing both. Only way I would is by going smaller scale with 40k and focusing on Necromunda probably.

[thin ibex]

leagues is the next army im most interested in

though only once i finish all my current models

and have played some tau games irl

thunderkyn are sick

i like em with the bolt cannons tho

visually anyway

[soft willow]

95% of my painting backlog is Votann right now.

[thin ibex]

i gotta finish building my tau and then paint them

im 100% ok not doing them perfectly

because they will effectively be my first painted army, not counting my unfinished space wolves

[soft willow]

Perfect is the enemy of good.

[pulsar holly]

I'm hoping we see some more Votann units this year, particularly to cover the gaps they currently have in their army. No aerial vehicle that I'm aware of or big vehicles, certainly nothing equivalent to a knight or Titan. And also gimme more Ironkin.

[thin ibex]

my main goal is having a full, painted set of My Guys™️ that i can look at and play with

[pulsar holly]

I want more Ironkin

[soft willow]

Seems unlikely we’ll get them this year given the road map for 40K

[thin ibex]

I do think Votann are missing a dedicated flier and a lord of war option, i suspect they might get a lord of war with their dex

i dont know if a flier is in the cards for em

[soft willow]

But yes give us more kin.

[pulsar holly]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[jaunty dawn]

I think they should add playable women to imperium maledictum

[upper canopy]

NEVER

[pulsar holly]

But...but they already d-.... am I missing a bit?

Is this going over my head

[jaunty dawn]

yeah dw

[upper canopy]

IM came out after GW made women canon in the 40k universe in 2016

[solemn gull]

It is pretty cool how close the imperium has to be brought to destruction to even think about not killing xenos on sight

[thin ibex]

i think itd be cool for votann to get a dedicated main battle tank as well, and im on the fence on if i want votann to have a walker

[jaunty dawn]

I tried to play one and cubicle 7 came out of my character sheet and wrote he/him pronouns on it

[pulsar holly]

Judging by the sneak peak right before New Year's, I think we're at least getting a new Votann officer or lord of war.

[jaunty dawn]

but jokes on them he/him women exist

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/man-coming-out-of-frame-gif-7317320

they did this

[jaunty dawn]

yeah it was crazy

[soft willow]

The Land Fortress isn't a dedicated main battle tank?

[upper canopy]

nah it's just like

a big transport vehicle

with a big gun

[thin ibex]

i wouldnt say so, its more like a mobile heavy transport/hq

[naive abyss]

is vaguely confused and unsure if this is referencing something c7 has said

[thin ibex]

a main battle tank would be a bit more lean and firepower focused

[naive abyss]

the hekaton is a land raider

[jaunty dawn]

no they just made the game

they came out of the logo

[thin ibex]

instead of hybrid firepower/support

[soft willow]

Is Land's Raider not a main battle tank?

[pulsar holly]

Nah

[thin ibex]

i wouldn't say so

[naive abyss]

i want the lov to have a walker modern take on teh cyclops

[jaunty dawn]

land's raider is a raider

[naive abyss]

nah

[thin ibex]

i think the predator/gladiator are the main tanks of hte astartes

[soft willow]

The Rhino is a tank then?

[naive abyss]

the land raider is a roided ifv

[solemn gull]

Apc

[naive abyss]

the marines dont really have a tank imo

[upper canopy]

The Predator is a tank

[thin ibex]

the predator is based on the rhino chassis, but its not literally a rhino

[upper canopy]

And is the only real "tank" the marines have

[naive abyss]

they have vvarious levels of souped up ifvs

[brittle salmon]

Gladiator tho

[solemn gull]

Some forgeworld tanks I am pretty sure

[thin ibex]

sicaran if you want to drive something ancient

[jaunty dawn]

the rhino is a like universal chassis system based on an apc

[naive abyss]

HH marines has some wack ass tanks

[upper canopy]

Primaris vehicles aren't real if I don't look at them

[naive abyss]

and i guess maybe the vanquishers counts as a fixed turret tank lol

[jaunty dawn]

but like irl universal chassis systems doesn't work out amazingly

[brittle salmon]

jumpscaring you

[thin ibex]

but yeah, I think the Predator/Gladiator are the main battle tanks, of which the votann have no direct equivalent

[jaunty dawn]

sicarans are more tank-y though yeah

[pulsar holly]

Like the Leagues have a hybrid transport, and a fast attack vehicle. Well technically two. They got the hoverbikes (Hernkyn Pioneers), and the Sagitaur.

[naive abyss]

the hekaton is more a mobile command center vibe than tank vibe imo

[thin ibex]

yeah

[naive abyss]

its a moving barracks lol

[soft willow]

I mean I figure it's a multi-purpose vehicle.

[pulsar holly]

And I love how much NASA vibes oozes off the Leagues vehicles

[thin ibex]

Land raider/Hekaton are heavy assault tank/transport hybrids

rather than dedicated firepower platforms

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-surprise-gun-gif-13206969

not this time fuckboy

[soft willow]

It's an HQ/Main Tank/Barracks/Transport because that's how the LOV roll.

[pulsar holly]

OH LAWRD HE A COMIN'

[naive abyss]

ultimately the HKF and the LR are very like chonked up ifvs

[thin ibex]

in my mind, MBT translates to a dedicate heavy firesupport vehicle, and thus would be faster and leaner than the land raider/hekaton

[soft willow]

Yeah I don't think they have one, and I'm not sure they would build one?

[jaunty dawn]

anything with a transport capacity isn't really mbt like

[brittle salmon]

😵

[naive abyss]

i could see lov making mbt now

[brittle salmon]

shadowfield 2+ invuln fuck u

[pulsar holly]

Like the Votann seem to be slow and steady, so I kinda imagine their main battle tank being big and beefy, and slow.

[naive abyss]

its likely gonna be a newer design in response to the troubles tm

[pulsar holly]

I mean the LOV kinda need some of the gaps in their army filled out.

[jaunty dawn]

lov flyer that's like big but round would be cool

[naive abyss]

cuz unlike most factions they can just make new shit

[jaunty dawn]

ovular

[soft willow]

UFO style thing.

[pulsar holly]

Votanns be like

[jaunty dawn]

wait I'm just thinking about tau orca lol

[soft willow]

Not a proper blimp but that kind of shape.

[naive abyss]

i want it to be the magnetic flyers from the matrix

[pulsar holly]

Nah we gotta keep the NASA vibes going

[naive abyss]

but with the hover pads from the bikes

[thin ibex]

i think their recent expansion/exploration might cause them to build dedicatd support platforms, I don't see why they wouldn't see value in having something to meet the challenges of the enemy that come as armor or large beasties that isn't a kin body and is less involved to produce than a hekaton land fortress

[jaunty dawn]

given the castigator happened lov will definitely get a tank

[soft willow]

Yeah but can a main battle tank haul away your~~ ill gotten gains~~ legitimate spoils after the fight?

[pulsar holly]

They'd definitely want some fliers, and more beefy tanks after one of the regions controlled by the Kin got fucking wiped by Leviathan.

[naive abyss]

though we already in theory sorta know what lov ships look like

[thin ibex]

they'll jsut get a kinstigator penny

[naive abyss]

and smaller flyers kinda

also weve had a bomber of theirs mentioned several times now

which drops fucked up grav bombs and stuff

[thin ibex]

id be keen to see if they actually get it or if gw is moving away from fliers in general

cause none of hte fliers are particularly good these days

[pulsar holly]

Hekaton and Sagitaur ain't gonna last long against some of the Tyranid bio-forms.

[naive abyss]

i just hope we get axe and shield infantry

i crave it

[pulsar holly]

[soft willow]

Axe and Jump Pack work in a pinch?

[naive abyss]

i know were getting that and ill be happy for it

but i still crave axe and shield

in part due to still being salty over the wrist blades lol

and the swords in general to an extent

[soft willow]

They're goofy and I love them.

[pulsar holly]

https://tenor.com/view/ezio-ezio-auditore-fortnite-fortnite-dance-griddy-gif-25314624

[thin ibex]

I don't mind the wrist blades myself tbh, they're more practical than lightning claws xD

[naive abyss]

its goofy and fun and on like anything else for any other faction id be here for it

but im the stupid nerd who gets their knickers in twists over dwarfs without axes and hammers

[pulsar holly]

Yeah, definitely prefer the wristblades over lightning claws. But I definitely want to see more axes and swords.

[naive abyss]

if only due to my sheer exhaustion at sword saturation being part of why i gravitated to dorfs lol

[naive abyss]

oh lightning blades wouldve been even worse

i really just wanted axes

[pulsar holly]

Their darkstar weapons terrify me.

[naive abyss]

like they woulve beena no no notes unit if they had fist, hammer, and axe options

[pulsar holly]

Don't even need to have a deep cut.

Just contact with the damn material.

And from what I'm aware of, it's not related to C'than material. So no worries if a Shard of one pops up, that Darkstar weapon ain't getting slurped up.

[soft willow]

Kinda a shame they lost their special rules for the weapon.

But it's still cool.

[pulsar holly]

I'm still dying over one of the three marines in the Gaunt's Ghosts novel, Salvation's Reach, doing a boarding action with a shield (Like we talking BIG TALL SHIELD) and power fist combo

[naive abyss]

plasma axes are unironically my fave 40k weapon

its just so cool

[thin ibex]

I wonder what kin opinions are on the ctan and ctan shards

[pulsar holly]

My buddy, homey, my dude, why the fuck you using a power fist with a shield. GET YERSELF A DAMN POLEARM OR AXE.

YOU WANT REACH

[naive abyss]

i mean i cant imagine they are intimately familiar with the specifics but knowing them its "weird anomalous ai tech" or etc

considering how they view the warp lol

[thin ibex]

You know, maybe some [Infiltrator] or [stealth] axe and shield infantry would be cool

With a redeploy ability

[pulsar holly]

T'au should get some more melee units

More

[thin ibex]

Just give us more kroot

Easy peasy

[pulsar holly]

Where the fuck did the Vespids go?

[naive abyss]

also random but man its funny how much better lov look when grimed up

like their range so very much was dones a disservice by GWs choice in poster colors

[thin ibex]

Expand vespids too

[pulsar holly]

Damn they look so good.

[thin ibex]

I do think that the Tau do not need an elite tier melee unit because their shooting is already so powerful

I'd rather get a tar pit melee unit

[pulsar holly]

Duncan did a neat colour scheme for the League that I think works. Not sure if he came up with a name for that one since it was just a single mini for demonstration, but boy did I like it.

[thin ibex]

Which you can kinda do with a riptide lol

[naive abyss]

as memory serves his was very like cosmonaut

which is a pretty good and common scheme people have gone for lol

[pulsar holly]

NASA Astronaut specifically

With a hint of Star Wars Rebel Alliance.

[naive abyss]

ngl im looking at this and its more or less early nasa or cosmonauts lol

or at least old school cosmonauts

[pulsar holly]

Yeah, reminds me specifically of some of the early shuttle crews. Less Russian Cosmonaut to me.

[naive abyss]

it reminds me of this lol

this isnt a dig also to be clear

i was considering doin this with like green plasma for a while

until i made space irish and etc

[pulsar holly]

He went more for this

With the gold tinted visors.

[pulsar holly]

-slams hands on table- PICS

[naive abyss]

i mean ive conceptualized them not painted

[pulsar holly]

😔

[naive abyss]

i have not the space nor time for hobby atm sadly

my impcat mockup as ref

[pulsar holly]

[naive abyss]

theyve meant to evoke celtic vibes as well as ref oldhammer dorf colors a bit lol

its why the cable is bright red lol

trying to at least evoke shit like this

also a planned kitbash for one of my homebrew charactesr i have in mind

[pulsar holly]

Still not sure which Dwarf option I like in AoS.

[pulsar holly]

Ooh that would look cool

[naive abyss]

i quite like KO

the fyreslayer warcry team has proven i can be big into them but theyd need like a whole range refresh lol

[past sphinx]

a man can dream this appears for Cities of sigmar in some fashion

[naive abyss]

its more likely we see something like it in old world id wager

if anywhere

[thin ibex]

I'd have gone for fyreslayers if they main range didn't look so boring

[pulsar holly]

The Fyreslayers are neat, but ehh. It may wind up being me finding a way to make a Dwarf focused Cities of Sigmar amry one day. Right now though? OSSIARCH BONEREAPERS! OH YEAH!

[thin ibex]

Balloon dwarves are the most interesting looking imo out of aos

[pulsar holly]

I love how in Soulbound if someone decides to do an Order based Soulbinding, you still for some reason have a Death character in the group, even if not bound. Specifically it recommends the Flesh-Eater Courts for this since ya know "I am a well known honorable knight." -staring in horror at a ghoul-

Trying to resist the urge to pick up the core book for Warhammer Fantasy 4E from drivethru. I shouldn't. Not a lot of money

But

[pulsar holly]

DAMN BRETONNIANS STAY AWAY FROM UBERSREIK! -swinging hammer wildly-

[upper canopy]

Kruber appearing behind you with menacing kanji

[bright dove]

I wish to crack open those shells and get to the gooey knight center within.

[upper canopy]

lewd

[bright dove]

I mean that in the least sexual way possible.

[topaz elk]

Khorne vs Slaanesh

[pulsar holly]

Nurgle: I can burst them open from within

[bright dove]

Lewd.

[bold halo]

folded and ordered kill team salvation so I can have striking scorpions

never thought I'd see the day aspect warriors got new sculpts

now I just have to pick a chapter to paint the bonus scout squad

[pulsar holly]

Grandpappy Nurgle made my entrails hang out. Got me a little Nurgling buddy chilling in me gut. And I spread life wherever I go

[bright dove]

Having a nurgling buddy seems right and fine.

[dense sedge]

if the rumors of night lords vs mandrakes turns out to be true, I'll be splitting it with my brother

[pulsar holly]

What’s this? What’s the rumor?

[upper canopy]

I fucking love this image

[bright dove]

They forgot a cavalry unit.

[upper canopy]

that's infantry >:c

[bold halo]

clearly a horse

[bright dove]

It is a knight being carried into battle by a willing living creature or three!

That's clearly cavalry!

[bold halo]

was worried about the fact I'm planning to play the 40k faction that's been dominating tournaments, like nobody wants to be that guy playing the OP army when everyone's just getting into/back into it, right

then I looked at the lists people are winning tournaments with lol

god damn that's some hard skew

zero risk of me ever having accidentally gone fire prism x3 wraithknight x2 support weapon x3 ynncarne

I get why those lists are working with all the dice fuckery the army's got but I'm just here to push funny little cosplayers around

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/ontabletop/status/1742289664898379833

[topaz elk]

Questing knights are actually the only reason I want to play Bretonnia in WH3

I want to just doomstack 19 of them and watch enemy monsters die

[bold halo]

as someone that just wants to monster mash

pls no

[thin ibex]

I think currently aeldari are still strongest but not by the same dramatic margin as before. They still need another nerf though probably

[floral herald]

Unless you're running a tourney list don't sweat it

Eldar are strongest because they have some strong lists its not universal

[bold halo]

oh yeah no any worry disappeared after looking at the lists

[floral herald]

Yeah there's a lot of skew in a lot of top lists

[bold halo]

similar to how I got into eldar during 4th edition when harlequin spam was dominating and then I just

didn't play that

[floral herald]

Though there was a CSM tourney winner recently with the most weirdly meat and potatoes list I've seen win a tourney

Weirdest thing about it was 3x chaos lords

[bold halo]

eldar getting a bunch of prerolled dice they can sub in whenever and rerolls on to hit and wound def encourages them to skew, they're like

tailor made to take a bunch of individual models with big guns

[floral herald]

like, weirdly normal even

[bold halo]

oh yeah that's just a bunch of guys

[floral herald]

And it won world champs

Ok triple dark commune is kinda weird too

[bold halo]

but yeah eldar skew is like here, take a bunch of tanks and support weapons and wraithknights and I'm over here like hee hoo wraithguard got sword now

[floral herald]

yeah just "take a horrid amount of dev wounds/lethal hits type of stuff and bury people in mortals

[thin ibex]

I'm always deeply comforted by tourney lists, to me, often looking wack meant to leverage one or two specific interactions

Though it does remind me of times when people thought that tau were OP but were actually a mediocre army with one super strong interaction

[floral herald]

Those are kind of the same thing for tournament play

[past sphinx]

tau have only been good by having broken singular strats my entirely working memory of them

[floral herald]

I remember Tau being broadly pretty strong in early 6e just cause it was a shooting edition and they were shooty

[bold halo]

flashbacks to jump shoot jump

[pastel rampart]

Fish of Fury.

[thin ibex]

Yeah no absolutely. I just think that it's a very... narrow view that skews perspectives outside of that preview too

[floral herald]

I can agree with that, its true for tournaments but its also not often the case that everyone in a local runs meta lists

[runic swallow]

What’s a dark commune, some kind of psyker?

[mental birch]

9e they were good off the back of solid stats and speed

With the ability to play the movement and shooting pjase

Phase

[floral herald]

It's a weird multi-model mixed HQ

[runic swallow]

…Huh

[past sphinx]

everybody was broken in 9th

[floral herald]

Combines a bunch of buff auras but you get fragile humans not hard-as-fuck chaos space marines

[past sphinx]

not to deny what you say but man

[floral herald]

oh weird

in 10e they can be a fucked up unit leader

So they're leading the mutant and torment squads

ok this is making more sense

Accursed Cultists are cheap tarpits/objective holders

And they're hard to put down for the price cause they regenerate models

Dark Commune gives them much needed firepower, though its still not great

And pretty good buffs

[bright dove]

That Nurgle cult group is probably good at being a tarpit, ye

[floral herald]

That's probably just to exploit the stupid as fuck nurgle strategem for holding a backline or midline objective

Since the mark bonus is bad for them

The enemy cannot shoot you unless papa nurgle approves

[runic swallow]

Oh wow that 5++ is actually great for cultists

[mental birch]

DO is bullshit and so annoying to deal with

[floral herald]

Yeah a 5++ so they have a real save combined with the innate 6+++ and accursed horde makes them legit tough

[mental birch]

Especially as T'au

[mental birch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-ang-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-super-heroes-gif-5389961

[dense sedge]

one of my favorite kits in the range tbh

[bright dove]

This explains the nurgle rhinos

[verbal ermine]

good people of Pnet I would like to ask a question

what's y'all's favorite tyranid model

model/character/creature/bioform/whatever

[desert jay]

Carnifex

[verbal ermine]

good choice 👀

i like the tyrannofex, since its got a gun

like a huge gun

[jagged dawn]

I’m a big fan of the borrowers, trygons and mawlocs and the like

If I ever make a tyranid army it would be mostly burrowing things

[wintry mist]

always so fucked up that Tyranids have guns

like what

[desert jay]

The guns are also tyranids

[verbal ermine]

🤔 the borrowers?

like the series of books about tiny people?

[verbal ermine]

also yeah, the guns are living

and alive

[wintry mist]

yeah

[verbal ermine]

and part of the tyrannid superorganism

[desert jay]

Some of the ammo too!

[verbal ermine]

Theyre bugs!

[wintry mist]

it's so fucked up like why do they not just like have the tyranid have a built in ranged weapon

[verbal ermine]

I think its easier to model and differentiate which termagaunt has what gun on them

y'know?

[wintry mist]

that's true it means there's not like 5 different models

I'm a big fan of the Starcraft 2 zerg

(they are all are either melee or some have weird ranged attacks)

[desert jay]

Well... 40k models often have the hand/arm as the same part of the sprue as the gun anyway

So you could make 5 different gun-arms

[wintry mist]

true

[dense sedge]

I love the little eyes on nid guns

[wintry mist]

I'm imagining like, where do these guns live

do tyranid hive fleets have armories where all the termagaunts go to gear up

[untold swallow]

The real answer is probably that’s not been thought of yet

[wintry mist]

yeah

I know

I just find the idea funny

[untold swallow]

Oh certainly

[long void]

the new tyranid kits get a lot more grislier with the creature/weapon symbiosis

[soft willow]

The third edition Tyrant Guard. It’s a weirdo and I love it.

[verbal ermine]

I feel like they're birthed with the guns grafted to them

[floral herald]

Aren’t they like bonded to the gants?

I know some of them are basically parasites that stick on

[dense sedge]

A weapon larva breeding chamber sounds cool ngl

[verbal ermine]

the new gaunts have a mortar parasite that's taken over their body

[mental birch]

Neurolictor

[tired cairn]

My favorite nid model is the haruspex

I also really like the warrior model and am a bit sad Tyranids have been losing their Xenomorph crests

[wintry mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855366936490016780/1192754645064495144/Warhammer-Fantasy-D184D18DD0BDD0B4D0BED0BCD18B-Warhammer-Vermintide-FB-Games-7957721.png?ex=65aa3a53&is=6597c553&hm=e34ee0b460a91dedf5faaad961b8e915c6001b0a96077e2ae47015e9c5abac83&

[wintry mist]

so in W&G you can buy other archetypes as you advance in tier right?

[wintry mist]

I'm going to download Fire Warrior

i've heard it's not great

but

[runic swallow]

“It’s quite.”
“It’s quiet.”
“It’s quiet.”

Ear splitting door beep

It’s very not great lol

But I respect you for attempting

Be ready for wonky sound and the most inaccurate Tau weapons you can imagine

[thin ibex]

It's... jank as hell and objectively not very good, but it is funny and it has a modicum of charm

[pulsar holly]

So are Halflings rarely played in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay?

[pulsar holly]

So does that mean I don’t have to be a Ratling Sniper? I could be a Ratling Ministorum Priest or Imperial Guardsman?

[wintry mist]

I think you'd take Imperial Guardsman and whatever homebrew ratling species you have

[pulsar holly]

Ratlings aren’t homebrewed they’re in W&G

I’m just trying to remember which book specifically

Cause they were added with Ogryn and Kroot

[wintry mist]

oh right

crazy they added Kroot and not T'au

[pulsar holly]

Gravedigger Regiment wondering who’s gonna reinforce their position when they see a bunch of Kroots arrive. “Local Lord hired us. Sup.”

[thin ibex]

Kroot are just more common across the galaxy than tau, because they get around and offer services. I think with the given narrative setting, tau would've made much less sense

Also tau are less likely to work in mixed factional groups imo (though not unheard of)

[pulsar holly]

I think they could eventually show up in the sector

So what’s the difference between classes and careers in Warhammer Fantasy? I saw the big list of careers but no idea where the classes are in the 4E rulebook

[jaunty dawn]

don't think classes are a thing

[pulsar holly]

It mentions both in the book though

[jaunty dawn]

apparently they're categories of career?

8 classes of 8 careers each?

[wintry mist]

I really want to play a game of W&G

I've never been able to play a 40k TTRPG

always run them

[solemn gull]

Got that DM curse

[solemn gull]

best I can offer you is a PBP

[wintry mist]

hmmmmm

I'm game

[solemn gull]

@onyx elm

[onyx elm]

Hey there, I'm currently running a W&G PBP. So far I've got two players.

[wintry mist]

I'd be interested in joining

what's it about?

@onyx elm

[onyx elm]

Right now there are two operatives (an Inquisitorial Acolyte and Sanctioned Psyker) searching an abandoned factorium on the lower levels of a Hive for an Administratum scribe. So far, their transport has been shot down, and the Psyker mind controlled attacking scavengers and made them blow up a few derelict barrels of prometheum, causing everything varying levels of temporary blindness.

Right now they've found a trustworthy enough guide to get them to where the scribe is.

[wintry mist]

oooo thats interesting

[flat radish]

LOCAL TECHPRIEST SIMP HAS GREAT IDEA

what if we servitor some xenos

[soft willow]

Tech-heresy.

[flat radish]

Call me a heretek all you like, but i think it might work

[soft willow]

Why would you blaspheme the Omnissiah’s holy servitors with Xenos filth?

Also this is literally a plot point in one of the Admech books.

[flat radish]

huh

cool

[soft willow]

There are servitor Orks that an explorator fleet finds and they’re all like what the fuck is this blasphemy.

[flat radish]

While servitoring orks is a good choice, i was thinking of a...hungrier option

[pulsar cairn]

did Admech always think that way about xenos? or was it more a consequence of them joining the Imperium?

[soft willow]

Unclear!

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[flat radish]

They hate the necrons, if that counts

[onyx elm]

Mind if I PM you?

[soft willow]

But they also consider humanness to be holy so it probably goes back before Empire to the Mechanicum.

[flat radish]

and yet they simultaneously don't care about human life

[wintry mist]

go for it!

[floral herald]

plot twist the imperium inherited hating aliens from the mechanicum

This probably can't be true anymore now that the HH era is so much more sketched out

[pulsar cairn]

anyway servitor orks sound useful yet dangerous caise they probably release spores still

[soft willow]

I mean Big E had plans for both organizations, it's implied he kinda seeded some of the ideas behind both.

[jaunty dawn]

this is how ambots work

give an ambull brain a bipedal excavator body

and have it follow its hive making instinct

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/18z6lme/a_sons_of_horus_reaver_balefire_acolyteesoterist/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[dense sedge]

What are the character options for dark heresy?

[jaunty dawn]

soh head is so cool

[past sphinx]

Deathwatch do it from time to time

Use eldar heads as a kind of warp fuckery detector I think

[floral herald]

Depends on the edition but they're pretty broad if generally you're some kind of scrungly goon

DH1E has you choose a homeworld and a branching "career" but there's also a lot of themed "elite advances" which replace a rank of the career with something specific

DH2e has the same homeworld system but replaces careers with archetypical setups which just make certain things cheaper or more expensive instead of directly dictating what you can upgrade with XP

The base careers for 1e, which do cover a lot of the tone of later ones are:

• Adept (nerd and paper pusher, potentially also a really good doctor)
• Arbitrator: Cop, good at investigations and tough
• Assassin: does what it says on the tin
• Cleric: No magic here! Just fiery oration and faith (also the church pays well)
• Guardsman (what it sounds like, fight shootman)
• Imperial Psyker: nearly as dangerous to the enemies of the inquisition as themselves!
• Scum: Broke criminal. VERY good talents to make up for it!
• Tech-Priest: the other kind of nerd. Literally cannot buy fellowship (like charisma) advances. Has some techno-magic powers. Good at shooting people in the head.

[solemn gull]

This seems like a horrible idea

[flat radish]

hehe cyborg tyranids shall consume foes of the omnissiah

[solemn gull]

This is jurrasic park tier “what could go wrong”

[flat radish]

It's closer to jurrasic world

since i'm weaponizing them and it's very likely the hivemind will take control

[floral herald]

NO DOWNSIDES

FREE SOLDIERS

[jaunty dawn]

one of the gsc subfactions is that

rusted cog?

claw

[dense sedge]

Ad mech are too rigid to try it but I’d love to see a story of hereteks trying that

[solemn gull]

I mean hey it could make a awesome rpg plot

Being stalked by cyborged and lobotomized tyranids while trying to get the truth to the imperium

[pulsar holly]

That’s assuming it’s even possible to do that

[wintry mist]

I love W&G implying that a corsair and imperial guardsman are equivalent

[pulsar holly]

Sure if it’s Tanith Fething First-and-Only

[wintry mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MbqVEOA_io

[upper canopy]

This is absurdly well done

[wintry mist]

unironically the hardest piece of 40k animation

[upper canopy]

Astartes destroyed

[wintry mist]

facts

[pastel rampart]

Finally put a weapon on this dude.

[floral herald]

So I recently learned the funniest little Kill Team fact

the Hearthkyn Salvagers Kill Team models are short enough they can't see over the Barricade models

It's just modeling for the bit

[soft willow]

I have actually encountered this problem in game.

They also have trouble seeing over some of the pipes from the Mechanicus terrain.

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkqXFins_rc&t=131s&ab_channel=MiniWarGaming

[long void]

dad jokes incoming:

[past sphinx]

Very strong selection in killin tool there

[pastel rampart]

Triple flail just felt right.

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS0AOcwAYzY&ab_channel=TheDrunkenOrk

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vozq95tGb4&ab_channel=DuncanRhodesPaintingAcademy

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/cubicle7/status/1743306623035035648

This looks rad

[thin ibex]

wrath and glory is pretty old isn't it? kinda cool it keeps getting more stuff

[floral herald]

It's from 2022

At least the current 1.5 edition is

[pulsar holly]

Old?

OLD?!

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

I know 2020 fucked up our sense of time, but not that bad!

[pulsar cairn]

i'm going to kidnap a plague marine, and i'll torture him with a bubble bath

i'll also do his nails

[pulsar holly]

[pulsar cairn]

was it in fantasy or AoS that you could have some redeemed chaos warriors?

[pastel rampart]

AoS, I think.

[pulsar cairn]

that's cool

[upper canopy]

AoS yeah

Specifically Ghal Maraz can hit you so hard you see Jesus

which has never really come up again from the original launch

far as I know

[pulsar holly]

Boy imagine waking up from such a strike

I’d choose redemption too after surviving such a blow

Wonder if we may eventually get a Drukhari or Chaos supplement for W&G (as in playable characters)

[floral herald]

I think Inheritance of Embers covers them

I'd dig a chaos supplement though

It'd work great for the screaming vortex

[upper canopy]

Yeah this is covering CW, Deldar, and Harlequins

can tell by the cover

[tired cairn]

No dinosaur riding for us

[thin ibex]

exodites continue to exist purely on the fringes of the setting

[upper canopy]

Maybe it'll do Exodites but they ain't on the cover at least

wait there's 4 of them

which means they're doing Corsairs?

Huh, maybe

[floral herald]

Yeah looks like the 4th is a corsair

Which I think isn't a big surprise there was a surprising amount of corsair lore in their last alien-y book

[junior robin]

wonder how much haemonculi stuff will be in it

[naive abyss]

itd be cool if they do a kin supplement or etc eventually

but im also into there being a full eldar one now

[floral herald]

That'd be neat

Especially since C7 doesn't mind adding new lore themselves

[upper canopy]

https://www.tumblr.com/autumn-archfey-artwork/709526004035649536/harlequin-escape?source=share

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/Garfytwit/status/1743320969031057586?s=20

The dark angel and BT in particular wow

[upper canopy]

showed this to oldhammer fans and immediately

"the bases are wrong"

[floral herald]

True no goblin green

[ebon forge]

Rogue Trader made me realise I might have to play a game twice to have a more accurate opinion on a game because
Second Heretic playthough?
God
Fucking dammit
So many bugs

[soft willow]

Yeah the game is okay up to Chapter 3 or so, and after that you enter a place unblessed by the Omnissiah.

[ebon forge]

Yeeeeah, for the the absolutely worst is chapter 5

First the ||First encounter with the necrons, where hte cutscene just don't work and you are stuck on a loop forever|| and another is ||With the secret heretic follower where he is just broken, as in, not working||

Like, the dude's model don't show up

[solemn gull]

this hurt my soul

[thin ibex]

i dunno, i just feel like ive been hearing about it for forever

[solemn gull]

might of been hearing about other 40k rpgs and stuff

[thin ibex]

very possible

might i also have been hearing about like an earlier edition too?

or has it ever been under a different publisher?

[wintry mist]

the first edition dropped in 2020

it was under a different publisher though yeah

[solemn gull]

Agh 2020 was 4 years ago

[ebon forge]

Oh awesome!
now to find someone to play with

[dense sedge]

A tynnari 40k campaign could be fun

[past sphinx]

base grit is the wrong size lmao, stood out like a sore thumb, that Ultra fucks hard tho with the fire legs

[ebon forge]

Rogue trader hidden lore -runs
I knew she was unholy! Is just a funny 'oversight'

[tired cairn]

I've heard the Heretic path doesn't make a whole lot of sense and is generally underbaked

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/VoicesByZane/status/1743381559414071677

[ebon forge]

Yeah, like.
The level of leniancy , holyehll, you do make
"Fun" things, but yeah

[bright dove]

Where's the lie?

[upper canopy]

I'd be able to fucking wreck a skaven in a fist fight

[wintry mist]

Holy shit yeah no I would destroy a skaven in a fight

[upper canopy]

it'd be like fighting a 12 year old

[pastel rampart]

Depends.

[bright dove]

I am getting destroyed by a Stormvermin

But I can probably handle one clanrat

Only one.

[pastel rampart]

Skaven are notably faster than humans and have the death frenzy to fall back on if push comes to shove, but they're no stronger than a man and probably have a lot less endurance.

The real issue is that it's never just one skaven.

[upper canopy]

If I got one skaven in a headlock he'd piss himself and try to run

[bright dove]

It will never be just one skaven, yeah.

But the post says a skaven.

[solemn gull]

issue with 1v1ing a skaven is like

they could have ANYTHING AS A WEAPON

[upper canopy]

So can I

[solemn gull]

do you have a warpstone rocket launcher?

[upper canopy]

Also there's never just ONE human

i got mates

and I know at least 5 of them would help me curb stomp a rat man

[bright dove]

Hey, they said Clanrat.

If it's not a skyre acolyte or pestilens monk

I can probably handle a clanrat

[solemn gull]

so he got a sword

[upper canopy]

ME AND THE BOYS

DELAYING THE GREAT ASENCION

who the fuck is tom

hold on

https://tenor.com/view/jo-jo-gang-beat-up-anime-kick-gif-17369990

there we go

[tired cairn]

I have zero combat experiance, so I assume a clan rat would defeat me

[wintry mist]

By that logic there is NEVER just ONE skaven either

[upper canopy]

yeah I know

I'm saying that in response to that

[wintry mist]

Oh right

My bad lol

[bright dove]

I also have a vital advantage over skaven!

I am not malnourished and starving.

[solemn gull]

It would be kind of hard tho cuz like

If you were hand to hand they can bite your throat out

Or do something with their tail?

[wintry mist]

Skaven get exponentially more ballsy the more of them there are

Its why they keep charging the same 5 dudes who wont stop killing them en masse

But will run away from a small gust of wind

[solemn gull]

They have more natural weapons

[wintry mist]

Sure but you're way smarted than them, taller and probably heavier

[alpine quarry]

they are kinda too much of a meme for most people to enjoy

they are really one sided as they are just miniature ogres but "funny"

[alpine quarry]

thats why i kinda wait on owlcat games first

they are not bad, but very messy on release

[ebon forge]

Yeeeeah i learned my lesson, is like fatshark
Wait at least 1 year before buying it

Also, finished heretic run, was fun, stupid in some parts, and fuck the bugs

[pulsar holly]

-lifts brim of hat- What’s this about….rat…men?

[naive abyss]

ye and generally im quite fond of C7 lore stuff its usually pretty well done imo

[pulsar holly]

GIMME PLEASE

[naive abyss]

random but i find it funny how much more engaging i find old world mechanically

whichn is more or less due to being older in sensibilities with facings and all that being a thing

[bold halo]

wheeling trays of models around was always pretty satisfying

[naive abyss]

yeah i also i just find the tray thing just visually entertaining

like its sorta of the games the closest imo to what is happening in fluff sans the skirmish games?

if that makes any sense?

[bold halo]

I remember having to number the bases of my dark elf corsairs because the minis were so aggressively posed that I had to specifically build them to stand next to each other nicely in a specific configuration to get them all to fit

still one of the best kits they ever made though, so many cool parts

[naive abyss]

yeah i can imagine that part is fiddly with it

but idk like the hobby is already fiddly to me so it feels sorta like idk worth it to me?

[bold halo]

like they're all leaning very far forward, with big capes out the back, and enormous swoopy curved swords, hooks, knives, etc

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[bold halo]

99% of kits it was no issue and they'd brick up no matter what

[naive abyss]

my fave oldhammer infantry kit is probably the ironbreakers

they look so good and ironbreakers just looks so cool

[bold halo]

I picked dark elves because I wanted to monster mash

[naive abyss]

valid

if it wasnt obvious im a dorf fan lol

[bold halo]

and they have dark pegasus, dragons, manticores, hydras, dinosaur cavalry, dinosaur chariots like it was a no brainer

[pastel rampart]

There was a weird period where some models didn't really rank up like they should've and you'd see it most prominently with the 1997 chaos warrior kit and the 6e skaven clanrats.

It wasn't universal but it had a nasty habit of just cropping up for no good goddamn reason and getting some kits to rank up was like playing Monkeys in a Barrel.

[naive abyss]

but yeah these still kickass

tbh all the newer dorf plastic is great

[bold halo]

yeah the corsairs were notorious for it if you didn't work around it during assembly, luckily I knew about it going in

they were just forgiven for being a 10/10 kit otherwise

[pastel rampart]

Dorfs always ranked up fine because they're shaped like a thumb and that's pretty hard to mess up.

[naive abyss]

superior anatomical engineering

[pastel rampart]

Undead mooooostly ranked up fine? The OG plastic skeletons needed to be doing the sideways shuffle to rank up properly but otherwise, no real issue.

[wintry mist]

"in warhammer: the old world, the lizardmen, dark elves, skaven, ogre kingdoms, vampire counts, daemons of chaos and chaos dwarfs will not be legal for tournament play and will receive no new models or updates in the future"

what

[naive abyss]

the old world is aggressively being the focuse

[pastel rampart]

Metal daemons ranked up well except the fuckin' daemonettes, who all leaned forward claws and tits out first and would tip forward if you looked at them wrong.

[naive abyss]

also those are all factions in aos

or are likely going to be ones lol

[pastel rampart]

Plastic bloodletters do not rank up well at all and they're real fuckers like that.

[naive abyss]

like the factions being included in old world very much feel like the ones overall that wont step on aos toes or you couldnt justify not including

[bold halo]

lizardmen and dark elves live off in fantasy americas, skaven don't exist, ogre kingdoms and vampire counts are off to the east, daemons live far north, chaos dwarfs came back??

[naive abyss]

well counts arent to the east its sorta everywhere but also sylvania

its more just counts are very not a threat in the setting atm

chorfs are far to the east though

[bold halo]

counts not being legal is just sparing you buying 15 boxes of zombies

[pastel rampart]

The specific time period is where a number of factions just weren't prominent on a historical level. Which is to say "we don't want to make shit for these guys."

[naive abyss]

counts very much is them not wanting to contend with soublight being a range in aos

and likely not ranking up worth anything lol

same with lizards

[pastel rampart]

--god I just fucking remembered one rule that I wonder if they'll actually resolve

[naive abyss]

like its no accident tomb kings and brettonia are the face of old world at launch lol

[bold halo]

yeah I noticed that lol, the two armies that got squatted going into aos

[pastel rampart]

To count as a rank you needed a minimum of 4 models in 6th and 5 in 7th and 8th. Which generally counted for everything from rank and file humans to mounted troops.

In 6th and 7th they did not mention if this also counted for monstrous troops like ogres.

[naive abyss]

like im happy ill get dorfs and maybe some of those really old discontinued dwarf lord models i like but i can recognize the dance thats being done lol

namely this model which is still one of my faves

[pastel rampart]

So you had this weird goddamn question of "do ogres have to rank up to 4/5 models despite all these photos of them in ranks of 3?"

And the response prior to 8th was "lol :)"

[pulsar holly]

So should this still be on sale? Just managed to snag one of two that was left at the FLGS I was in a moment ago

[naive abyss]

i mean once they order stock its their stock

ive seen some pretty old limited models in some shops

[pulsar holly]

I gotcha. Well glad I saw it then

Gives me a chance to figure out a color scheme I want for when I can actually get several units of Kin

[naive abyss]

fair warning that how you paint exos generally varies a bit from the general infantry since they are all armor and have no cloth like the general infantry or etc

[bold halo]

figuring out colours for my eldar is killing me atm

[pulsar holly]

True

[naive abyss]

id recommend impcat as a useful painting scheme mock up app

but its a bit weird to acquire and does cost money

[pulsar holly]

For a moment, but only for a moment, Owlcat’s game had me going “Hmm maybe I should consider the Aeldari…or Drukhari.”

But then I remembered

Capitalistic space dwarves

[naive abyss]

well more materialists

[pastel rampart]

Also funny thing w/r/t monstrous troops: rat ogres couldn't gain ranks because their second rank always had to be pack masters, aka skavens with whips. Similarly, kroxigors front ranks were always skinks so they couldn't get a second rank (but at least you had to chew through the skinks first).

[bold halo]

I thought briefly I'd be doing tyranids this time but space elves sucked me back in

[wintry mist]

Industrialist space dwarves

[naive abyss]

like the LOV are very soviet in a variety of ways lol

[pulsar holly]

I like to think of them as just unhinged capitalist. Ain’t no rails in place.

[naive abyss]

i cant really see capitalist since they like give people shit they need and ostensibly give two shits about currency lol

[pulsar holly]

Think I know a few friends who would hate the idea that the Tau have competition for being the Communist/Soviet go to. (Yes, yes. Memes, jokes)

[naive abyss]

like no one is starving or homeless in the leagues really lol

tbh i hate the tau is communist cuz they actively arent lol

its just like the old chud meme of looking at "greater good"

[pulsar holly]

-nervously sweating- But what if I tell the League they’ve given me a shit deal and I don’t want to give up my world?

[naive abyss]

like the most communist faction is the craftworlds arguably lol

then they acquire your materials

like they dont want your money or to turn a profit they want the materials

they also ostensibly dont often lie when doing deals since they see that as pointless culturally lol

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/18wx21x/wip_zealot_veteran_for_my_forthcoming_penal/

[pulsar holly]

I said no to mining on my world. Kin: Cowabunga it is then

[naive abyss]

like to be clear im not saying they arent fucking like mineral tyranids

cuz they are

but thats sorta what i mean like they want the minerals for the sake of having them not to turn a profit lol

[pulsar holly]

I just love how they have ships that are essentially Unicron

[naive abyss]

i like their ships in general

big moving fortifications and homeworld vibes

[pulsar holly]

Think I’ve only seen one or two pictures of them so far

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/craving-that-minera-crave-that-minerall-mineral-craving-goat-gif-5261529

theres as far as im aware thre official pieces of kin ships lol

[pulsar holly]

-staring at a trophy in the private study of my voidship, sweatin’-

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/fYpodBKYHy4?si=TIQEhSQCdo0EZ16q

[pulsar holly]

@naive abyss this?

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/atelierjoshua/status/1698853100067406192?s=12

[upper canopy]

What the fuck

[naive abyss]

i think theres been another recent piece with a kin ship but idk where

[upper canopy]

Why is this ffx

[pastel rampart]

Prog rock was hugely influential.

Like I cannot stress enough how much of it helped shape video game music. Same with jazz.

[naive abyss]

well jazz and blues has a hilarious influence on allot of things

considering its like the roots of rock and metal lol

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

But like specifically video game music.

[naive abyss]

for sure

[upper canopy]

Man

I miss the cowboy only war game

[naive abyss]

its like how i sometimes think about how influential Aliens the film is on video games

which is sorta hilarious in some ways

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t1rh_740SI Fuckin'...TARKUS man.

[upper canopy]

It was immaculate

[pastel rampart]

You listen to this whole album and it's like "wow this is a lot of FF4 music huh"

[pulsar holly]

-coughs, clears throat, aims for the worse sounding voice- Well akshually the Tyranids inspired the Xenomorphs.
(I know it’s the other way around)

[naive abyss]

lol

[pulsar holly]

Speaking of which Xenomorph inspired color scheme on Tyranids looks lovely

Though not as good as the arachnids of starship trooper

[naive abyss]

im quite fond of my scheme plans of weird sorta black white blue nids

inpsired by this paintjob

as they fight my napoleonic old guard in space lol

[bitter mortar]

Haven't read their codex, but isnt it the leagues themselves as highly competitive corporations, and the strong focus on resource aquisition for its own sake?

chasing the materials is still chasing profit

Doesnt seem like theres much detail on ownership of all their assets

[naive abyss]

the leagues are way closer to soviets of the ussr

in both organization and how they interact

[bitter mortar]

the cloning dwarves for jobs can also be taken in a capitalistic direction

but idk if they do

[bright dove]

There's a lot of capitalism looking things in the League

[naive abyss]

they dont clone dwarves for specific jobs which was a thing i was afraid of early on

[bright dove]

That you dig at for a bit and discover are socialism.

[naive abyss]

the skeins are "we need twenty brick layers pring twenty brick layers"

[bright dove]

Communism, my bad.

[naive abyss]

the lov at a glance read as capitalist but are sorta aggressively communist in the sorta real world soviet flavor of the idea of it

like even how the guilds work are pretty similar ot how labor unions functioned sorta

though its that sorta mashed into old school craft guilds

[bitter mortar]

yeah I can see that

[naive abyss]

everything belongs to everyone who needs it

thats sorta like their main deal

like if you can justify your demand for an amount of something you get it

[bright dove]

What's their big saying again?

[naive abyss]

like all resources a hold or league has theoretically is held in common for all kin

[bright dove]

Need has, Luck Earns, Toil Keeps?

[naive abyss]

"Luck has. Need keeps. Toil earns."

[bright dove]

There we go

Got it slightly messed up on my part.

[uneven ember]

This I kinda love.
This was a Demiurg ship. The Demiurg were a xenos race that GW decided to introduce when they were dipping their toes into the possibility of doing Space Dwarves again, after using the S-Word on GW's official forums would earn you an immediate ban.
The only minis the Demiurg ever got were in Battlefleet Gothic, as T'au auxiliaries.

[naive abyss]

also they highly value kin lives

[bright dove]

All kin lives.

Biological and Mechanical alike.

[naive abyss]

Kin are Kin

[uneven ember]

& then when they released the LoV they were like "oh yeah, the Demiurg were actually Kin the whole time. We're bringin in all the space dwarves baby"

[naive abyss]

a turn of phrase GW has used more sinced it sorta blew up in a community article lol

[bright dove]

Kin are Kin indeed.

[naive abyss]

the skein and the nature of the LOV are honestly a clever way to incorporate allt he different squat things over timet tbh

[bright dove]

Indeed.

Also, I love Luck Has, Need Keeps, Toil Earns to bits.

[naive abyss]

like we desperately need more lore but the foundational bones of the lov are really good imo

[bright dove]

It's such a good dwarfy saying.

[naive abyss]

my fave is probably "the void is in our veins"

its a good like spacefied version of the whole "iron in our blood" dorf trope

cuz their whole like hardy pragmatic nature was shaped by being a culture formed on long haul space ships

[bright dove]

Indeed

[naive abyss]

also them being in the core is a fun way to approximate the "mountain holds"

[bright dove]

Indeed it is.

As are the black holes.

[ebon forge]

Owlcat would be mega poggers if we saw the Vottan in the game but
No

Just
Elf 1
Elf 2

[bright dove]

"Are you sure you want to siege us?"

I would never sign up for a Kin to be part of my crew as a Rogue Trader.

[bright dove]

Do you know how much that is going to affect profits?

[naive abyss]

in fairness the game was likely in dev before they existed publicly lol

[bitter mortar]

theres that mention of the League that ...will lease the network's proprietary technologies to other Leagues, it will only do so for a substantial fee.

[naive abyss]

i think they even have said as much

[bitter mortar]

ugh space IP law

[uneven ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/CerberusXt/status/1743293677840068725

[naive abyss]

where is this from? cucz i dont recall this anywhere lol

[ebon forge]

Yes
but then
WHERE IS DA ORK?!

[bitter mortar]

page 31, according to lexicanum

about the "Tethys Expanse"

a "minor league"

[ebon forge]

o

[bitter mortar]

its been copied a few other places too

[naive abyss]

huh

[bitter mortar]

idk if its an exact quote or anything

[naive abyss]

i missed that when reading the dex i guess

now im curious

yehp its like a brief two sentencer in the various dropped league names lol

[upper canopy]

Again, I genuinely don't think an ork would've been a good companion for the base game but will be fine for dlc

I'd rather have a kroot before an ork 1000%

[bitter mortar]

Rogue Necron Aprentek 😤

but yeah Kroot probably makes the most sense

if we got a Kin companion I would've liked to see an Ironkin

[naive abyss]

lady irk would be a vibe

[bitter mortar]

have them appear full helmeted armor for 95% of their intro, and then make it a reveal

or dont even reveal it until after recruitment, and make it dramatic

[naive abyss]

also make her romanceable by ladies

let me be a lady who smooches the robo space dorf

[ebon forge]

Has that ever happened?

[ebon forge]

As dlc, yeah
...OGRYN AT LEAST THO

LET ME ROCK HERETICS

[bitter mortar]

Theres been crypteks who've rebelled against lords and overlords in short stories

cant say I've ever seen their apprentices do the same, but hey