oh tactical i missed that lol
#Warhammer and Such
desert jay
Honestly those work too
floral herald
Oh, I bet they have em yeah
desert jay
Of course now I'm imagining like Fist of Rogal Astartes Assault Arts, Leman Claw Astartes Assault Arts, etc
floral herald
Oh huh, Tau Pathfinders are another "Fists" team
thin ibex
yeah, im legitimately surprised they don't have combat knives, since modern fire cast does not place trust in the strength of their body
i know fire caste does still teach martial arts, but its rarely for practical purposes
and very few tau learn martial styles built on older tau weapons like swords and other melee tools
Farsight was taught by puretide incidentally
soft willow
Space Marine 1: You are using Gulliman’s Defense against me, ah?
Space Marine 2: I thought it fitting considering the rocky terrain.
1: Naturally, you must suspect me to attack with Capa Ferrus?
2: Naturally, but I find that Lion cancels out Capa Ferrus. Don’t you?
1: Unless the enemy has studied his Angron… which I have.
thin ibex
yes
excellent
Warhammer 40k imagined in the lens of like... pulpy hong kong martial arts era movie style feudal china sounds amazing
(i realize thats more of a ~~princess diaries ~~ Princess Bride reference)
brain is farting
its ok, i made a parry recovery
jeeze
mental archive just handing me things
desert jay
Okay but which 40k chars would you cast in a pastiche of the Princess Diaries?
soft willow
Bequin as the title character?
floral herald
I don't remember Princess Diaries well at all, but obviously Horus Lupercal as Mia
desert jay
Honestly yeah you could just do it with Horus during the great crusade
The film follows Mia Thermopolis (Hathaway), a shy American teenager who learns she is heiress to the throne of a European kingdom. Under the tutelage of her estranged grandmother (Andrews), the kingdom's reigning queen, Mia must decide whether to claim the throne she has inherited or renounce her title permanently.
floral herald
Yeah it kinda works better than I expected haha
soft willow
Big E as the grandma also works quite well.
Really you just got a solid hole in one there.
thin ibex
Is there a best way to recreate something like MARPAT camo on a miniature?
pastel rampart
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1272924467/pack-of-2-usmc-marpat-digital-camouflage Maaaaybe a stencil?
If you can find one at a small enough size.
floral herald
I think a stencil at that size might be really hard
pastel rampart
Yeah.
thin ibex
Full disclosure, it was an interest my bro had for a paint scheme on the kasrkins lol
pine matrix
In the kung-fu/fencing style of space marines, are CSM behind the times with their martial arts or are heresy-era styles still strong?
pastel rampart
Vehicles are a maybe leaning towards possible, but for infantry? Forgettaboutit.
pine matrix
Also Daemon-taught martial arts does sound very cool
thin ibex
I'm an amateur at best but wondered if there was a way I could do it
Daemon arts fits nicely into a wuxia morph on the Imperium
soft willow
In the kung-fu/fencing style of space marines, are CSM behind the times with the...
They're the ancient Chinese martial arts that are more deadly.
But they come with a terrible cost.
floral herald
In the kung-fu/fencing style of space marines, are CSM behind the times with the...
The general tone for the CSM is that they are ancient veterans with oodles of experience and I think knowing ancient lethal techniques they've honed in the warp fits well
pine matrix
"I learned this technique from the foot of the primarchs, whelp. No style in your rotting imperium can match the Siege-Breaking Fist"
Very difficult to learn Daemon martial arts because your teacher has more arms than you and is absolutely trying to kill you in every training session
thin ibex
World Eaters are masters of the Daemonic Rage Qi cultivation, a practice taboo in the imperial martial arts alliance
naive abyss
Lady bretts on their grindset
"Don't forget Adalène Montaux the cursed Maiden of Mousillon, in the Border Princes area (probably Not a Vampire^(tm))
And Karolina Aquilena, the Slayer of Queens."
Also from the comments lol
I bet karolina isn't just slaying queens neither 
pine matrix
World Eaters are masters of the Daemonic Rage Qi cultivation, a practice taboo ...
Fulgrim's style wanted to encompass all humanity's fighting styles, and is still one of the most beautiful of the heretical arts. A single demonstration can corrupt an entire school into slavish acolytes
naive abyss
Also Khalida and lybaras are mentioned on the map so Im on copium for fancy new khalida model eventually
pine matrix
"Don't forget Adalène Montaux the cursed Maiden of Mousillon, in the Border Prin...
I've never been particularly interested in the Brets but I definitely think we're getting a good spread from the map
naive abyss
The new foot knights and actually seeing dame Knight rep got me interested
thin ibex
Rogal Fist Style is all about body hardening and is widely regarded as an absolute defensive style when mastered
naive abyss
Even did a bit of homebrew fluff that's an extended reference to the beast/maid of gevaudan
thin ibex
Lions Fang is all about feinting and hidden intent, suppressing your qi to make it impossible to predict your movements
Lemans Claw is an all out aggressive style, focused around shutting your opponent down with constant attacks and unpredictable angles
pastel rampart
Khan's Dance is unknown but considered terrifying.
past sphinx
im building repentia and theres something about this kit that really bugs me
Even with like feral bezerkers high on combat stims and driven forward by whips their not possessing really any physicality
their lithe like ballet dancers
hell their basically wearing soft shoes
jaunty dawn
you might not be accounting for how like
tall they are
when considering their proportions
cause I wouldn't agree haha
past sphinx
i think its in their posing really
thin ibex
well, poor comparison in that ballet dancers are incredibly physical and athletic, but yeah, their models don't have much in terms of communicating their method
past sphinx
well, poor comparison in that ballet dancers are incredibly physical and athleti...
thats what i was getting at, athletic and incredibly well poised
thin ibex
i think having a more forward lean and a bit more lowering of their center of gravity would go far
in terms of posing
not necessarily crounched, but more bent knees, and a possibly varying degrees of hunching forward
or running forward
naive abyss
I love the repentia
Them having modeled on integration plugs lives rent free in my head
past sphinx
the weird thing that really stands out after doing ballet for a long ass time in my youth is all their toes are perfectly pointed
naive abyss
the weird thing that really stands out after doing ballet for a long ass time in...
I'm pretty sure it's meant to be mid sprint
past sphinx
thats not how you sprint tho
if you can sprint in perfect point theres several studios that would pay you well to teach that
naive abyss
I mean I literally sprint on my toes
past sphinx
yes on your toes, like a digitigrade, not like in point shoes
jaunty dawn
the ones on point would actually be in the air if gw models didn't regrettably have to follow physics
naive abyss
They aren't wearing point shoes lol
Like they're seemingly soft leather running shoes
jaunty dawn
they're basically slippers
past sphinx
like soft shoe really
jaunty dawn
cause they're repetant
naive abyss
Like they literally look like me mid sprint step Ngl
jaunty dawn
arch support is for the faithful
naive abyss
With their toes bending and etc
past sphinx
thats just not how the toes work in a dead run
thin ibex
which is the more recent one, 1 or 2?
past sphinx
left
jaunty dawn
xP
thin ibex
ah ok
naive abyss
thats just not how the toes work in a dead run
I mean maybe for you
jaunty dawn
rip to you
naive abyss
Literally I run and bend my toes like that
thin ibex
when i was talking about posing i was talkign about the right ones
the posing on the left seems a lot better comparatively
naive abyss
The repentia glow up is still one of my faves Ngl
jaunty dawn
are there any particular poses that exemplify your issue atlas?
thin ibex
honestly if im critiquing form on the left ones, that one on the far left that is full committing to the strike? They seem like they're in fact just falling, since their trailing foot is behind their launching foot and theyre already on their toes
floral herald
The new repentia models could probably have used boots I agree
Though inappropriate footwear might be a part of repenting :p
jaunty dawn
it definitely is
thin ibex
its also awkward to swing a two handed weapon over your left shoulder with neither leg forward
past sphinx
are there any particular poses that exemplify your issue atlas?
you gotta put some psychical effort into doin that
these gals are putting some effort in ont he Barre
floral herald
its also awkward to swing a two handed weapon over your left shoulder with neith...
Honestly I don't think there's a non-awkward way to swing a 6 foot long metal club with chainsaw teeth
past sphinx
uneven ember
Chaos Marines still don't have "Know No Fear," right? That hasn't changed in the last couple editions?
jaunty dawn
I thought you were talking about the planted feet
past sphinx
my apologies
jaunty dawn
np
past sphinx
Honestly I don't think there's a non-awkward way to swing a 6 foot long metal cl...
it does somewhat look like their being hauled along by the weight of their swing in a pose or two
floral herald
I think that's intended
past sphinx
had a Spadone made out of an old i-beam that was way over weight, reminds me of that
granted i was 15 and got hauled around by most swords
floral herald
Model poses are always weird because they're supposed to evoke something when viewed from like 3-4 feet away so they're often pretty weird up close
unreal cosmos
Chaos Marines still don't have "Know No Fear," right? That hasn't changed in the...
No but also neither do loyalists
At least if I recall correctly
past sphinx
IIRC its somethin a little goofy that they just dont have a concept of fear
they can feel it but just have no understand of what it is
real "this sign cant stop me because i cant read" energy
jaunty dawn
yeah they're both just ld 6+
unreal cosmos
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/s/xqK9kjpiWj
That's cool as hell
floral herald
Like that foot is definitely overextended but it probably helps sell the snappiness of the stride
jaunty dawn
knowing no fear was a post heresy development so the csm never figured it out
past sphinx
the universe was a lot scarier before so its easier now
jaunty dawn
well except for word bearers
plot twist lorgar wrote the "they are my space marines" speech
floral herald
ATSKNF is gone now yeah, though I think its kind of rolled into faction strategems now
jaunty dawn
I do like how one of the biggest quotes for 40k is just jimmy space going "these are my dudes : )"
floral herald
Tactical Doctrine is I guess kind of the inheritor of ATSKNF
thin ibex
Honestly I don't think there's a non-awkward way to swing a 6 foot long metal cl...
while true, there is SOME level of body mechanics at play that make literally falling while you swing an inefficient way to strike
uneven ember
which is the more recent one, 1 or 2?
I know you got the answer, but just to give a quick overview:
The Mistress of Repentance you can see that she's gotten a lot less... blocky, a lot more slender, in a way that a lot of the models have in the last few editions. Different sculpting and molding cuts down on how squat a lot of them looked, both the body and the acoutrements. (Related, her leg on the right is definitely modeled right into the cloth, in a way that they do a whole lot less now.) Same with the spindly bits coming around behind her head on the left, definitely a mark of the new one.
& also look at the Repentia, they're... cutting down on the "BDSM Nun" fetishization. Not that it's none but, eg, noticably less sideboob.
jaunty dawn
they still have the like
uneven ember
yeah they're both just ld 6+
huh
okay
floral herald
Tactical Doctrine is I guess kind of the inheritor of ATSKNF
Which CSM get as a Slaanesh-aligned strategem (Unnatural Swiftness)
jaunty dawn
wearing giant purity seals
they're also just now wearing very spartan underwear
I like them a lot
the mistress has a cool thing where she has the little ministorium charms all sisters have locked up on a rail on her power pack
thin ibex
i do quite like the new ones quite a lot more than the old
jaunty dawn
not even allowed your rosary-analogue
jaunty dawn
they're just bowing
past sphinx
i love hand sculpted models just not these
thin ibex
flagellants were/are condemned criminals right?
jaunty dawn
one of these days I wanna collect all the different penitent engines and arco-flag prisoner numbers
they are yeah
past sphinx
the strange curse of old SoB characters being baller as hell and a shame their gone and old SoB line infantry models being cursed as hell
you scoop out the criminals brain and fill it with robot and divine hallucinations iirc
jaunty dawn
they want redemption in death
thin ibex
oh so they're like quasi servitors
that you kinda just throw into the enemy lines with weapons for limbs?
jaunty dawn
oh wait no that's not right for arcos. its a direct punishment
rather than penitence their soul is forcibly absolved through flagellation so when they die they can still give power to the emperor
floral herald
I don't think anything is done to their brain
jaunty dawn
they have vr headsets that give them drugs instead
floral herald
They're just on drugs and mutilated with weapon-limbs
jaunty dawn
so they can be controlled by showing calming images and religious stuff and then unleashed at the enemy
past sphinx
upper canopy
ARCO-flagellents specifically are addled with drugs/surgery/torture/etc
uneven ember
They're just on drugs and mutilated with weapon-limbs
They're pretty brainwashed, they go from being shown calming religious devitional imagery and getting hymns piped in though the hood, and the people keeping them get a command word to flush their system with combat drugs and get them into frenzied aggro.
I'm pretty sure they got started with the Inquisitor figurine, and worked into the broader lore/28mm game from there.
This handsome lad here:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/4/42/ArcoFlagellantInquisitor.jpg
past sphinx
oh hes just happy to be here
thin ibex
homeboy looks like he's mid dance
floral herald
I wonder which one that model is for
floral herald
uneven ember
I wonder which one that model is for
It was for the Inquisitor game in 2001, the 54mm scale thing they did.
floral herald
I like how these super serious crimes are not exceptionally serious really
uneven ember
(The one the Eisenhorn books were a tie-in for.)
thin ibex
I like how these super serious crimes are not exceptionally serious really
this was something i liked in darktide too, "your crime was being in the way once when a noble was passing through"
uneven ember
& I do get that trying to get across all the kind of little bits they put on Damien was gonna be tricky scaling down to 28mm, especially at the time.
past sphinx
damian was also a giant hunk of metal
really any of the inquisitor models could kill
uneven ember
Oh yeah.
I really do feel like that game was a giant minis showcase first and foremost, with the actual game being
well, I'm not even gonna say the gameplay was bad or undercooked or anything, but there wasn't even an attempt at balance. I really don't remember any equivalent of "points costs" going on.
You just gave them whatever equipment was cool and made sense.
soft willow
It was an RPG that was a vehicle to sell 54mm models.
floral herald
It was weird
thin ibex
really any of the inquisitor models could kill
i remember this being a comment about old ghaz too, in that he was so solid he could be a projectile, is that true?
past sphinx
Inquisitor was GW throwing its entire dick on the table and saying "look at this kickass tech we have"
floral herald
Lots of establishing lore for the Inquisition taped to the narrative wargame which became Dark Heresy eventually
floral herald
i remember this being a comment about old ghaz too, in that he was so solid he c...
Not very threateningly imo
I had that model
past sphinx
i remember this being a comment about old ghaz too, in that he was so solid he c...
dreads had an edge on ol gaz for the corners
floral herald
The metal chaos dreadnought was a real threat yeah
past sphinx
you drop that thing in a stroller and you'll get a dead child 100% of the time
floral herald
Chaos dreadnought in a sock was a joke for like a year
past sphinx
probably due to lead poisoning
junior robin
if you was strong enough to lift it, the metal thunderhawk definitely would destroy anything you threw it at.
floral herald
I think attemptign to throw it would probably make it fall apart unless you like soldered it together
past sphinx
in all my years i dont think ive ever seen a thunderhawk
floral herald
The pieces might be pretty devastating
past sphinx
The pieces might be pretty devastating
fragmentation round
junior robin
the fragmentation grenade of tabletop miniatures
thin ibex
lol, ye olde warhammer: plasma torche and a welding mask
back in my day we didn't use GLUE
naive abyss
That's cool as hell
Ye
past sphinx
*back in my day we didn't use GLUE*
resin was a blessed because i hated pinning
junior robin
it mentions Thokt which is a necron dynasty so I think it was like a translator 🤔
naive abyss
But I do love the like characterizing it gives the lol
naive abyss
it mentions Thokt which is a necron dynasty so I think it was like a translator ...
So it's like using necron Morse code?
Cuz the kahl also uses the spoken form
junior robin
maybe they use both to be on the safe side if the necron cant hear you.
bright dove
Oh, they went into this in the comments.
It's how necrons exhibit emotions and the like when they communicate.
A few of the other books get into it.
naive abyss
Oh the lights are?
bright dove
Yep
naive abyss
That's a fun detail to how they compensate for lack of facial expressions
bright dove
Basically all the non-verbal cues they can't do anymore.
naive abyss
Mm mm
bright dove
It's the Leagues trying their best to communicate with the Necrons.
naive abyss
I love how this shows the kin being aggressively willing to "just talk tm"
Like they realized this void ship gridlock battle would be mutual destruction and then almost seemingly immediately try to parlay
bright dove
And Parlay in the Necron's native tongue as they understood it.
past sphinx
naive abyss
And Parlay in the Necron's native tongue as they understood it.
Or at least try lol
Which outside of xenos complaining about having to talk to imperials in gothic you rarely see I feel
naive abyss
I don't think we know explicitly
floral herald
Yeah I don't remember anything on their language
naive abyss
They just talk very efficiently is all we know
floral herald
I think if it is Gothic its pretty divergent at least
naive abyss
And have their own turns of phrase
floral herald
Just based on the terms and names we've seen
thin ibex
i appreciate the ironkin not having a decidedly more "robotic" attitude and really behaviorally acting like one would expect a kin to act. It seems obvious, but its nice that ironkin are not made to be performatively like an automaton
pine matrix
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/28/whats-coming-to-the-horus-heresy-...
It's funny the only marine silhouette is a guy with a banner
past sphinx
auxillia getting a sentinal it seems
naive abyss
i appreciate the ironkin not having a decidedly more "robotic" attitude and real...
Kin are kin after all
thin ibex
100% just nice to see it laid out that way
instead of gruff bio dorfs and chromed out robo dorfs
its just dorfs all around
thin ibex
It's funny the only marine silhouette is a guy with a banner
new space marine lieutenant with a banner? /jk
naive abyss
Like its like just having a different blood type to them if that makes sense
Though I do find it interesting the irk bothered with a helmet
uneven ember
I feel like language in 40K is so completely handwaved that not only does every uncontacted corner of an almost unfathomably ancient diaspora speak some variant of Gothic, whether Orks are speaking their own language or are just talking in Goffik wit' an akzent depends is completely inconsistent between stories.
naive abyss
Maybe it's a sign of respect or trust for leaders to expose their heads with the kin?
naive abyss
I feel like language in 40K is so completely handwaved that not only does every ...
Definitely
It's ironically one of the reasons I like fantasy so much
Cuz it thinks more about language which I find fun
uneven ember
(Eldar always have their own language, but it's also key to their whole Vibe that they a) are clearly offended by being forced to speak and listen to human language and b) will start talking to each other in their own language when you're right there and they are definitely talking shit about you.)
thin ibex
I imagine the Ironkin wears a helmet cause its still practical to protect your processing unit, ironkin or kin alike
tired cairn
Dome head seems to be the human robot motif. Both Kastelans and Ur-025 have variants of it
jaunty dawn
I imagine the Ironkin wears a helmet cause its still practical to protect your p...
yeah this is basically just how androids work in general
humanoid form means cross-compatibility with the existing gear
white mural
I had a neat idea while searching eBay
What if I bought a pre painted leman Russ and had the cult graffiti the hell out of it
thin ibex
sounds cool to me
soft willow
Definitely the way to go.
white mural
Unlike a lot of models which seem to be more expensive when they are post painted they’re plenty of cheap painted astra militarium vehicles on eBay
pastel rampart
If you want to go that extra mile, ask the seller what the name of the army/insignia/etc they used and incorporate it on the vehicle via graffiti painted over it.
Like obviously tell'em what this is for and if they're cool with it. I think most players would get a kick out of it.
white mural
Good idea
Once I pay off my entertainment budget that I spent on the combat patrol I’ll probably do that but that’s also months away
pastel rampart
Better to get the painting locked down on the rank n' file first anyway.
I find getting those done first helps zero in what the big stuff is gonna look like.
Well, unless I have a very clear idea ("hey paint me some ultramarines" "okay")
white mural
I spent a lot more then I usually would on the combat patrol it’s been a great distraction since the break up
naive abyss
I imagine the Ironkin wears a helmet cause its still practical to protect your p...
Well the cerebral units are stated to be incredibly durable but also fair lol
bright dove
Skulls are also incredibly durable by comparison, and yet
pastel rampart
bright dove
Ho
thin ibex
that's a sexy centerpiece emissary
white mural
HOT
alpine quarry
I still need to understand how people gst such smooth color transitions
pastel rampart
Often both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP1tb7Q-iQY And also being very good at wet blending.
thin ibex
I wonder how kin with space wolf bits and flair look
uneven ember
I was just thinking about how it's almost always the "good" factions (which obvs no good factions in 40K but still) whose characters are, theoretically, subject to death by being killed while the evil-er factions are somewhere between outright unkillable and able to come back from at least "effectively dead."
upper canopy
This is because the antagonist factions need to serve as antagonists and be defeated multiple times
uneven ember
Fair enough. I'm still just thinking if there are any real exceptions to this.
GSC? I guess?
floral herald
Abaddon the despoiler
thin ibex
I mean, the Swarm lord dies frequently, then gets rebuilt
upper canopy
GSC, Chaos Cultists, Orks
floral herald
Uh I mean, implying Abaddon isn't the anime protagonist of 40k
upper canopy
That's essentially it.
thin ibex
Eldrad died and then he didn't
bright dove
Ghaz died and got frankensteined.
upper canopy
Space Marines are also now an antagonist faction because they can come back once.
naive abyss
I feel like ghaz is an exception to the rule with orks
thin ibex
Literally struck by lightning
naive abyss
Since he's the beast diet edition
floral herald
There's also the pretty substantial difference between "people who know they'll come back" (Swarmlord, Angron, Lucius, Vulkan etc) and "people who come back for other reasons" I think
uneven ember
I feel like ghaz is an exception to the rule with orks
It's been in at least a couple Ork codecies that decapitation is potentially fatal if left untreated.
So they can die but if a Painboy with a staple gun and a spatula gets there fast enough they have pretty good odds.
naive abyss
I mean I more mean plenty of ork characters have died
Like the tyrant of octarus recently bought it as example
naive abyss
Which is a bit of a shame cuz I wanted them to get a model
uneven ember
Yeah, true. Orks are eminently killable.
pastel rampart
It's been in at least a couple Ork codecies that decapitation is potentially fat...
Stapling the original head back on is entirely optional.
naive abyss
Like my ork band homebrew that fights my lov is notably for how seemingly resurrection prone the warlord is
Also still love their name. Gorezalor
upper canopy
When'd Wazdakka die?
uneven ember
Also still love their name. Gorezalor
hah, I dig it
floral herald
When'd Wazdakka die?
Looks like its not confirmed actually - he just hasn't been mentioned in a while
naive abyss
It was initially me orkifying balor but it incidentally also is a pun since they lead the krimson boarz
thin ibex
Oh, you know, Calgar keeps losing and not dying
upper canopy
Looks like its not confirmed actually - he just hasn't been mentioned in a while
Yeah I think he just got forgotten about
naive abyss
And gore is what the boars do lol
thin ibex
Dante would love to die
bright dove
Where was Wazdakka again?
thin ibex
He leads the aporkalypse
bright dove
Was he the guy who go put into the 'Nid meatgrinder?
thin ibex
From the back of a trike
naive abyss
Wazdakka is cool
naive abyss
My homebrew warlord would be a proxy of him if he had rules still lol
thin ibex
And killing everyone there
floral herald
I don't think Wazdakka has ever had rules
thin ibex
He got set on fire by the void shields
naive abyss
He use to
floral herald
Maybe in a FW thing
thin ibex
I think he did actually
naive abyss
I remember it in an old codex I had
thin ibex
Yeah
naive abyss
Sadly I got rid of it I think
Wait
Wazdakka has a chainsaw arm
Could the teased ork be him without a bike for some reason?
floral herald
I think that is the 3rd ed book
pastel rampart
It is, yes.
floral herald
I don't believe he had rules in their 4e codex though, I started playing with that one
floral herald
ohh
pastel rampart
He never had a model, though the kickin' rad FW one definitely could've counted as him.
bright dove
Also
pastel rampart
I think only people who went all-in on nob biker shenanigans/speed freaks cared to use him.
bright dove
Aporkalypse heh heh
past sphinx
one book per character
they get shot for all the heresy book characters do at the end
perfection
past sphinx
hes the only cool ultramarine loadout tho
cant let him rest
PUT HIM IN A DREAD WITH EVEN BIGGER POWERFISTS
solemn gull
If only they decided to make more new replacement named characters instead of 40 primaris lieutenants
past sphinx
people would have fucking rioted
pastel rampart
Shit, GW used to have rules for models that had died at one point.
uneven ember
This is why "advancing the timeline" is a mistake.
The beauty of 40K's dumbshit setting is that you can use the same rules and minis for almost any point in the 41st Millennium.
runic swallow
I don’t think there’s any reason that the advancing timeline means you can’t have older stuff fight each other, considering this is the setting where an ork went back in time to kill himself so he could have two copies of his favorite gun
pastel rampart
Yeah.
solemn gull
you dont gotta kill someone to retire a model
That’s exactly what I am saying….
Kill them, the models are fine
tired cairn
This is why "advancing the timeline" is a mistake.
The beauty of 40K's dumbshit ...
They had to undo how much they advanced the timeline too lmao
bright dove
Kept changing how Imperial years were measured so they could stay in M41
solemn gull
Isn’t it now M42 by like 20 years
runic swallow
It was kinda weird how they were jamming every event into the last 12 seconds of M41 by the end of it
bright dove
When you keep extending the digits, it's a sign that something needs to change.
runic swallow
I don’t mind it being the year 41,000 all that much, especially when you can also say that they might have accidentally went forward a millennia in record keeping
bright dove
Decimals that just kept going got involved.
uneven ember
Wait, did they change it?
I always loved the [check digit][year fraction][year][millennium] format
solemn gull
I’m going to pretend I even understood it
runic swallow
No, it’s more that it was ridiculous everything was getting pushed into 41.99.999
I think they still have the year fraction stuff
past sphinx
well you see the opening of the eye of terror has caused time to get all wibbly wobbly 😉
runic swallow
Also, it wasn’t like the setting hadn’t dipped it’s toe into passing into m42 before, the Cain books are compiled a few decades into it for example
uneven ember
I’m going to pretend I even understood it
So, okay, you have the check digit first, which is how sure you are on the date based on how long it's been since the people measuring the date had the chance to synchronize with Terra. 0 is stuff that happened on Terra, 1 is in Sol, 9 is "the records don't match Imperial dates and we're doing our best."
Next three digits measure thousandths of the year.
Next three digits are the year.
Millennium is the end.
So right now it's 0.992023.M3
(Measuring on Earth, 992/1000 through 023 of the 3rd Millennium.)
naive abyss
I do find it kinda funny that oldhammer at least to me still feels the most like coherently "organized" in allot of ways lol
upper canopy
was about to say
white mural
yea he is the exception
GSC almost always get demolished in any story they are in and their end game istheir own deaths so they don't really collect long term chacters
ebon forge
We have void whales?!
ebon forge
They are 100% more horrofying than I imaginated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOmwtAXVI00 I was more thinking like
but , 40k, so yeah
Thank you tho!
ebon forge
Wait the orks literally dive bombed on the whales mouth?
upper canopy
It's a representation caricature
What we do know is that a portion of a WAAAGH was eaten
ebon forge
I love Orks
I bet they saw the big glowing ball and just made a B line to it
Also I finished the Rogue Trader game, was fun.
had to use toybox (basically a cheat menu) to fix a game braking bug in chapter 5, but fun, i recommend
past sphinx
Also I finished the Rogue Trader game, was fun.
had to use toybox (basically a c...
hows the plasma
ebon forge
hows the plasma
Pasqual Plasma build is LOVE
ebon forge
No, Plasma Gun at max, but is honestly one fo the best weapons in the game, alongside Heavy Bolter
dense sedge
deadshot splinter rifle is also super good
as well as the sniper you can get from winterscale if you're iconoclast
ebon forge
Argenta sniper is super goo,d yes
dense sedge
argenta can no longer use xeno weapons from today onwards though
ebon forge
Heavy Bolter burst shoot Ulfar Carried me tho
Like, two officers using their heroic abilities on Ulfar and he almost solo every encounter
uneven ember
May Dark Heresy Guardsman sez:
"Plasgunners are the only people in the Guard crazier than meltagunners. The enemy can't kill me if my gun kills me first I guess."
ebon forge
Yeah that reminds me, Meltas were underwhelming to say the least. F
For a moment I though he was offering me a salad plate
past sphinx
Yeah that reminds me, Meltas were underwhelming to say the least. F
the "one tap the space marine" gun is bad? for shame
the one gun you could rely on in the universe to kill anything dead
ebon forge
Eider bad or I just didn't knew how to use it properly
it can be a good back up gun, but not your main
upper canopy
brittle salmon
Meltas are great for really hard targets, and also get nasty as hell with a certain Exemplar talent which converts excess armour pen into raw damage
Plasma is better for general purposes though, for sure
Less armour pen, but higher raw damage, and the overcharge shot sends your damage to criminal levels
ebon forge
https://www.tumblr.com/atomeja/737987803107950592/marazhai-as-a-coffee-shop-empl...
He can be surprisenly fun to have around
ebon forge
Meltas are great for really hard targets, and also get nasty as hell with a cert...
Oh i see, so is mostly for late game stuff
brittle salmon
Oh i see, so is mostly for late game stuff
Or on higher difficulties, I'm on daring and have encountered several things with 100% armour or more
floral herald
Wait is armor a percentage?
brittle salmon
Yeah - there's also deflection, which is flat DR
The armour system is simplified and numbers are much much higher overall, this is not at all a straight conversion
ebon forge
Which is good tbh
brittle salmon
(Which is fine, because a straight conversion would not be a balanced or fun game, where Owlcat's vision is at least fun)
ebon forge
Sometimes is good to be inspired and do your own thing rather than trying to convert 1 to 1
One of the reasons why I can't stand Baldur's Gate 3 system
brittle salmon
I mean, BG3 is also not a straight conversion at all
They changed a significant amount
ebon forge
That is true, but it still engrained a lot in 5e specially the martials and boring advancement
brittle salmon
I'm not gonna deny Martials are still boring but they're very much not bad in that game either
They're the backbone of your DPR from start to finish
floral herald
(Which is fine, because a straight conversion would not be a balanced or fun gam...
Yeah I’m glad they messed with the rules a lot
They’re the weakest part of the TT game
brittle salmon
You're not at all wrong
Like I said, Owlcat's version is uh, not balanced right now, but it's both functional and has a lot of potential after it gets cleaned up
ebon forge
Officers are OP i give you that
Like I said, 2 officers on your party and you can destroy everything turn 1
ebon forge
They're the backbone of your DPR from start to finish
Unless you High Dex+Mage Armor+Shield your casters, but yes.
brittle salmon
Unless you High Dex+Mage Armor+Shield your casters, but yes.
I mean damage per round rather than beef
ebon forge
True, but mostly because of the overwhelmign amount of magic weapons avaliable , which was a smart move.
But yes I could not finish BG3 but RT i finished in less than a month V:
Now I am ready for my Heresy run
1 problem
I can't find a character portrait that satisfy me
brittle salmon
They are all a bit too Dogmatic, yes
(also we have a #1182019271237308527 forum thread)
floral herald
drip for the drip god
brittle salmon
Ayo????
ebon forge
Fantasy/AoS has some cool chaos drip
white mural
This one has mad drip tho
Muscle mommy uwu
ebon forge
Also, almost 1h and i am still searching for a psycker pic to use in tehgame
F
ebon forge
Muscle mommy uwu
Ikr? I love that pic
white mural
Are hybrid acolytes and hybrid metamorphosis the same box?
uneven ember
Are hybrid acolytes and hybrid metamorphosis the same box?
looks like?
The sprues on display on the site seem to have both
tardy wren
Very sick!!!
jaunty dawn
extremely good
orchid venture
:3 thanks
pulsar cairn
got loaded into a game with my invisibility build
but instead of my stealth vet guns i have my shouty vet ones
pastel rampart
jaunty dawn
yeah!
at like twice the original retail price haha
heavily biased as someone who already owns a copy but I feel like the nostalgia bait isn't quite there imo
especially cause like this time last year you could get multipart tyranid kits that look identical to these push fit ones
I do like the spore mines from here I suppose. they were a lot stronger in the bfm rules than in the real game I think
one of them had an ap3 flame template iirc?
bright dove
Correct!
mental birch
jaunty dawn
its kinda funny cause back then they were like. averse to actually giving you any rules so you got the mini version of the rulebook but instead of unit stats they wrote out the to wound for each unit vs every other unit
thin ibex
i caved, the kasrkins are gonna be at my home in like a week, a long with the paints i want for me kroot
pastel rampart
at like twice the original retail price haha
Pretty sure it was $50 on release so like 3x the price, hah.
desert jay
especially cause like this time last year you could get multipart tyranid kits t...
Oh is this using the old sculpts? Huh
floral herald
It’s own press-fit sculpts
desert jay
Right yeah but the old designs
past sphinx
i guess what your really paying for is that crashed aquilia fighter terrain
thats more of a relic than anything else in that box
bright dove
And it's good terrain.
jaunty dawn
crashed aquila has been sold seperately at times, but I think the pilot and objective stuff is completely unique to this box
tired cairn
I find from a practical perspective, the crashed plane terrain isn't great (doesn't blocks LoS, hard to balance minis on it)
bright dove
But it is stylish
jaunty dawn
it's more of a crater than anything
brisk flint
unreal cosmos
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832663124317306891/1190382933748482169/Screenshot_1994.png?ex=65a1997f&is=658f247f&hm=dec616f709c0201da8c5b0ab10dd6e925c6583d95036c24407912a302e355cd2& I just encountered this lore snippet and, as someone who's witnessed a lot of FSM arguments, I'm surprised I've never heard of this character before (even though I assume this is the only time she appears)
past sphinx
theres an absolute shitload of genehanced humans in 40k
whole guard platoons have warriors cloned from great heroes
shame they dont see any models
junior robin
dont they suffer from really bad luck? not sure how well that would be translated on the battlefield 🤔
also did all chapters have enchant people? I know DA and WB did
past sphinx
they suffer horrific luck
floral herald
also did all chapters have enchant people? I know DA and WB did
I don't think it was universal but it wasn't that rare
A lot of primarchs had war buddies from home who were too old to become space marines
jaunty dawn
world eaters didn't 😏
junior robin
also now realised that the picture of Kor Phaeron have him gritting his teeth and not smirking with luscious lips...
floral herald
world eaters didn't 😏
This is actually exactly who I was thinking of when I typed “not universal” hahaha
pulsar cairn
BALD
uneven ember
oh hey Wargames Atlantic has totally-not-Rough-Riders up for preorder
floral herald
Oh wow there's a lot of new stuff around in the TTS Kill Team stuff
floral herald
There's just 2-3 mod collections which have good quality versions of every team
So there's way less squirrely looking for teams
floral herald
I'll see if I can find them in the workshop
I actually had them all they just updated
I think this is the most complete one
patchier but cool
This one also has a ton
With these 3 you'll have at least one choice for paint job for every single team
floral herald
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2699529917
I think this one even has Blades of Khain and Scouts
I'm glad there's squads for some of the really hard to proxy well teams like Exaction
This is the place to find this sort of thing
If you're interested in TTS KT
Which I'd be happy to play it's been a while since I've had time to do anything
vital owl
Feel like you munda folks would appreciate this image a bud of my made
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1083699512918409237/1190512808568299600/Necromunda_Mentioned.jpg?ex=65a21274&is=658f9d74&hm=53eaa99a074d0f13d091835844fc31fce1ca19a964aaef9d6b8ec3b665cf1107&
past sphinx
oh yeah im gonna get some use out of that
cunning lintel
Finished up building my klaivex if yall wanna see
Also the ravager or whatever the deldar floaty gunboat thing is called is such a huge pain in the ass to build
Things so fucken pointy I don't know how to hold it while gluing parts to it without stabbing my fingers lol
naive abyss
oh hey Wargames Atlantic has totally-not-Rough-Riders up for preorder
Oh? What they look like?
wintry mist
just had a great idea
wrath and glory campaign but you are students in the Schola Progenium
absurdist black comedy where it's a regular school but with really fucked up religious teachers and then sometimes it's like "Class is out, we must do live-fire exercises against some prisoners in need of repentance."
tardy wren
Brotherhood Librarian W/Sigil of Exigence: 130
Paladins w/ 3x Psycannon, Ancient's Banner: 225
GK Strike Squad W/Psycannon: 125```
Libby with Paladins for blasting fools. GK Strike squad for sticky on objectives.
```Brotherhood Champion w/ Inescapable Wrath: 95
GK Strike Squad: 125
GK Interceptor Squad: 135
GK Purifier Squad w/2x Psycannons: 130```
No termies list, which is difficult because I don't have a Brotherhood Champion. Strike squad for stickies and maurading around with the champ, Interceptor for bouncing around and smacking vulnerable squads, purifiers for melting motherfuckers. Maybe replace psycannons with incinerators?i hear good things about it
quaint compass
They're best when taken together
cunning lintel
I've heard it's great for running "Warhammer 40k: the Saturday morning cartoon"
past sphinx
W&G is fine. It's sort thr junk food kf warhammer rpg. To the point full of sugar and fat but lacks the protein of WHFRPG or the fantasyfl ight games
floral herald
These are all weirdly dire assessments haha
bright dove
It's very action oriented
floral herald
Yeah it’s good, the rules aren’t horrible like ~60% of the FFG offerings and it’s a much more open ended and unified system for what it can do than anything else
slim prawn
Numbers get strained at higher tier, but for the most part good, ime
floral herald
It’s much less interested in the brutalizing player disempowerment fantasy of DH though even at low power levels the PCs are at least as good as mid rank DH PCs
But that specific thing is something I really enjoy about DH
floral herald
Numbers get strained at higher tier, but for the most part good, ime
yeah the math gets fucky at the high end for sure
slim prawn
I do want to give imperium maledictum a go one day
Have my giant gun woman for it and everything
floral herald
Same
desert jay
I'm trying to think of a TTRPG where there's a notable "high end" where the numbers don't get strained
tired cairn
Right?
I guess some know when to stop?
Iirc, in development, Lancer reduced the max level to help deal with this problem
rocky shale
Pf2e's high end is fine but mostly because the numbers are tightly bounded per level
I've been playing dh2e and it really is a clown show at every stage of the game
floral herald
I second PF2
brittle salmon
PF2e gets whacky at higher levels because eventually monsters with equivalent CR to the players frequently have a 95% hit chance and a 50% crit chance on their first attack into CR appropriate AC
floral herald
I don’t think that happens with equal level monsters?
Though there’s some sort of infamous typo warrior monsters in the past
Like that one giant that erroneously had +37 not +27
proud wing
what warhammer character would be best at tabletop 40K
cunning lintel
obligatory Orikan cuz he'd just rewind time every turn till he won
floral herald
Yeah and the other IW
soft willow
Orikan cheating to always roll well checks out.
pastel rampart
remote wharf
pastel rampart
Confirmed on their instagram page, too.
crisp lance
unreal cosmos
don't care for this
proud wing
?
past sphinx
ah man i started painting with old Foundry models from a garage sale, that hurts me deep
pulsar cairn
cool
dense sedge
ehh, good old dark elves
jovial berry
https://fxtwitter.com/TheGreatAlexus/status/1741063868531585093
Real and factual
bitter mortar
wintry mist
so Wrath and Glory
what do I need to get the pdf
can I only get it from here?
wait no
nope it's the drive thru option
ic
If I buy the foundry module does it have all the rules inside of it?
In which case I might buy just the foundry module rather than a pdf
wintry mist
thats good
I'm sure it's not as good as the pdf for reading but I honestly would rather just like, have the rules for as cheap as possible
and it comes with all the foundry stuff
does it have everything else in the pdf, i.e lore and stuff
tired cairn
Hmm, I'd have to double check that
tired cairn
does it have everything else in the pdf, i.e lore and stuff
Looks like it doesn't have the "Introduction" chapter. That is mostly really basic stuff but does mean there are two pieces of fiction (5 pages total) missing. It also doesn't seem to include the weapon keyword descriptions (which is very minor amounts of fluff) but does include the faction keyword descriptions
pastel rampart
topaz elk
raw vessel
https://vxtwitter.com/CerberusXt/status/1741409730319298949
what's the model between the Trans Kin and Trans ork?
pastel rampart
No clue, but I'd guess an AoS model.
past sphinx
what's the model between the Trans Kin and Trans ork?
It's from a warband for warcry I forget the proper name
jaunty dawn
jaunty dawn
what's the model between the Trans Kin and Trans ork?
Jade Obelisk
pastel rampart
Huh, bringing back the old plastic movement trays.
Good for specific cuts I guess but idk, there's so many cheap MDF options now.
jaunty dawn
wait is the classic (lokhust) destroyer lord not a thing anymore
ooh
vanguard task force and phobos librarian being reboxed into a combat patrol or something?
thin ibex
oh that seems neat
wintry mist
Looks like it doesn't have the "Introduction" chapter. That is mostly really bas...
that sounds like a worthy sacrifice
not exactly itching for fluff for a setting I know a lot about
wintry mist
thinking of running a game set on Gue'vesa'rio
brisk flint
unreal cosmos
the bear flag marine looks maybe the closest to a canon aesthetic
floral herald
Bear flag?
past sphinx
Bear flag?
The flag for a specific kind of dude, a big kind of dude
thin ibex
man gw orders shipping hella fast
got my paints and kasrkins pretty much day after
despite saying itd take a week
wintry mist
thinking of running a game set on Gue'vesa'rio
think this would be really cool and a good excuse to like, have everyone be a diverse cast without just being a rogue trader's retinue
Im just struggling to think about what would happen in it
spice flicker
So how bad of an idea is this: using the Wh40k ttrpg Only War to simulate a ttrpg campaign of a group of soldier in the command and conquer Mental Omega setting? Essentially Only War mechanics and system but Mental Omega setting and plot?
floral herald
I’ve never heard of mental omega
But OW is kind of a messy system to detach from 40K
spice flicker
Mental Omega is an alternate timeline of Red Alert 2.
upper canopy
I don't know anything about Red Alert either...
spice flicker
Dang
floral herald
I’ve only played a little OW but it’s not my favorite implementation of the 40K RPG ruleset
I also don’t really like how psykers work in that game but I understand why they made those changes
Psykers have traditionally been kind of broken in those games
DH1E: broken, only balanced by the sheer hazard of being near them
RT: broken, but balance in RT is a fake concept
DW: actually sort of balanced (DW was universally pretty OP)
BC: broken in a system about making fucked up broken blorbos
OW: relatively balanced, bland
DH2E: don’t have enough experience to evaluate the psykers
uneven ember
DH1E: broken, only balanced by the sheer hazard of being near them
RT: broken, b...
My favorite Dark Heresy PC would, whenever the party Psyker seemed to be getting ready to do something, casually find the nearest hard cover to hide behind while adamantly denying that he was doing anything of the sort.
floral herald
Divine Shot was the worst idea anyone had in the FFG 40k games
Was that the auto-hit one?
I think pre-errata Unnatural Aim might have been worse but most GMs probably didn’t allow its full power
floral herald
Yeah that one was kinda messed up for sure
Unnatural Aim making any attack count as point blank was pretty whack though
But they actually changed the book to get rid of that
upper canopy
Imagine if this is how Darktide Psyker worked
didn't even have to be facing the enemy or leave the spawn to kill everything
bright dove
Shotgun, my DH1E beloved.
pulsar cairn
but daemon hosts fome out of your brain instead of explosion
floral herald
didn't even have to be facing the enemy or leave the spawn to kill everything
I actually lowkey want them to add something like that for psyker
Like the Inquisitorial Mystic in Kill Team has an autopistol with Indirect because the psyker steers the bullets with their mind
bright dove
I too feel the perpetual desire to become a stationary object of death.
floral herald
I think that would be a sick as hell autopistol in DT
upper canopy
I actually lowkey want them to add something like that for psyker
Because Assail was recieved so well
bright dove
See, I'm remembering an Inquisitor from the Souldrinker novels who had smart bolts.
Or smart bullets, now that I'm thinking on it more.
floral herald
Because Assail was recieved so well
No no this would be with the autopistol bullets just like, homing
Much faster fire rate I guess
wintry mist
I'm thinking of either like, doing the PCs as influential people on Gue'vesa'rio or like, just people working towards a common goal
bright dove
Yeah, it was just an autopistol with smart bullets.
floral herald
I'm thinking of either like, doing the PCs as influential people on Gue'vesa'rio...
I think that could work well
floral herald
See, I'm remembering an Inquisitor from the Souldrinker novels who had smart bol...
I vaguely remember that yeah
There’s also executioner rounds for shotguns which are similar iirc
wintry mist
I'm imagining that Gue'vesa'rio is like, culturally fucked up
upper canopy
What's that?
wintry mist
you talk to a tech-priest who has defected and is like "The omnissiah believes in the greater good" or some shit
wintry mist
What's that?
oh it's the farsight planet for humans
upper canopy
Ah right
wintry mist
I'm thinking of doing a Wrath and Glory campaign set on it
there is literally 0 lore on it so I get to make it all up
wintry mist
oh are tau in wrath and glory?
upper canopy
There's homebrew for them and they have a small bit in the new threats book
Abundance of Apocrypha is the homebrew you want
upper canopy
Also wants Apocrypha
proud wing
pulsar cairn
AHAHAHA
wintry mist
I want chaos daemon homebrew for wrath and glory...
I want to do an all nurgling party...#
pastel rampart
It's amazing how good they look when not given the studio color scheme.
floral herald
More extreme colors really do them favors
unreal cosmos
I honestly dig the studio colors but I like what different schemes do to em
saw a Skeletor palette that I assume was done as a joke but honestly? looked pretty solid
solemn gull
Sucks we are going to start seeing this more and more frequently
orchid venture
artillery crew
uneven ember
nice
runic swallow
Hold 155mm shell gentle, like baby
wintry mist
I think I figured out the plan for my Wrath and Glory campaign
They are all various members of various factions on Gue'vesa'rio, and trouble is brewing on the main human city, New Terra. Symbols of the Imperial Cult, and the local gangs have gotten incredibly brave with attacks on Fire Warrior convoys across the planet, as well as general civil unrest. Each character has their own reasons to be investigating and trying to deal with these issues, linked to gangs becoming radicalized towards the Imperial Cult and using their influence to strike at the Enclave. They'll need to find out why this is happening.
abstract pier
I think I figured out the plan for my Wrath and Glory campaign
They are all var...
what tier is this?
abstract pier
may I gently suggest having a true blue sister of battle as the BBEG?
wintry mist
I was thinking of having the BBEG be an inqusitor who has granted them redemption if they fight against the Tau
abstract pier
taps his chin
Not a horrible idea
i like that too
no actually that's just better
wintry mist
the idea is that they go "We're going to win anyway, if you fight against the Enclaves and the Tau then you get to return to the Imperium and not be executed."
abstract pier
And then the heros go "MAYBE, BUT WE FIGHT FOR THE GREATER GOOD" guitar rift
wintry mist
exactlyyyyy
abstract pier
I like it
I always suggest a sister because they're great enemies
like
you have a driven fanatic that cannot be swayed, and you get to have them face down a power armor and bolter without a space marine
pulsar cairn
abstract pier
I wish you all the luck Atwcat!
wintry mist
thank you
wintry mist
you have a driven fanatic that cannot be swayed, and you get to have them face d...
I do like that
abstract pier
i even have a couple of pre-written preachy bullshit if you want it
wintry mist
I plan on having two acts, one where they are on Gue'vesa'rio and another where they have been sent to kill the Inquisitor
abstract pier
i had a sister in a campaign but everyone in the game turned out to be alt right shitheads so i dropped
wintry mist
i even have a couple of pre-written preachy bullshit if you want it
sure
abstract pier
i'll toss it over to you.
wintry mist
but yeah my vision for Gue'vesa'rio is that it's... not that great? It's sort of just a giant refugee camp full of desperate civilians and deserters
But it is still better than living in the Imperium
jaunty dawn
four options for the jar
unreal cosmos
magnetize em
this is a very good fit for my artsy-fartsy nb ethereal... I might have to fork out scalper money for it
wintry mist
but yeah my vision for Gue'vesa'rio is that it's... not that great? It's sort of...
it's not that the Enclaves don't care but they have bigger priorities than helping humans of questionable loyalty build up a self-sufficient civilization so they're largely left to their own devices while the Tau castes live largely segregated from the majority human population
pulsar cairn
no pants
wintry mist
(And, pragmatically, if the situation on Gue'vesa'rio is "okay enough" but they dangle a better life if they apply as an Auxillary, they get extra manpower that the Farsight Enclaves desperately need)
pulsar cairn
abstract pier
four options for the jar
w-what jar Penny?
wintry mist
🗞️
i'll break ur legs
wintry mist
I really do love how the Tau see the Imperium as something that makes no sense, which is why they constantly underestimate them
pine matrix
What is that funky jar?
wintry mist
"how could an empire so incompetent be so large and powerful?"
"clearly, they are not."
abstract pier
I love the Tau
jaunty dawn
it's an incense jar
abstract pier
and the empire
jaunty dawn
or something
wintry mist
all of them...
abstract pier
but FUCK the space wolves
wintry mist
WHAT
abstract pier
i hate the space wolves. FRFR.
wintry mist
WHATTTTTT
jaunty dawn
and there's an option for all the elements
wintry mist
outrageous
abstract pier
listen, i want space Vikings. Traders and such
not wolflords with their wolf blades riding the wolf chariate pulled by wolf wolfs
grumbles in imperial fist
pine matrix
and there's an option for all the elements
Neat! Thought it was a specific tau wargear option
jaunty dawn
no just a modelling thing
jaunty dawn
there used to be a choice of element themed prayers technically but rn they just give feel no pain
which was the stone one before
pulsar cairn
pulsar cairn
give me one that looks like a bear
verbal ermine
they are!
I wish fish were real
cloud flicker
Not surprised at all
I knew that teaser had to be something Ethereal related
Oh wait
Already posted
It’s very cool though
wintry mist
thinking about how the farsight enclaves is infact still a military dictatorship and what that implies
cloud flicker
Somewhat
desert jay
There's a council of multiple military leaders, that makes it a junta
wintry mist
the isolationist military junta that is still somehow the best place to live in the galaxy
desert jay
A oligarchic military autocracy
pulsar cairn
i'll say that living in a craft world ks also pretty good
pulsar cairn
A oligarchic military autocracy
i see 
wintry mist
i'll say that living in a craft world ks also pretty good <:vicksySip:9965665228...
if you're an eldar
pulsar cairn
ur not getting in otherwise
wintry mist
also every eldar has poor mental health
desert jay
And oligarchic meaning multiple but few rulers, if that's unfamiliar
Also there used to be some nice places humans lived but uh... [gestures at Great Crusade]
thin ibex
its actually unclear if the enclaves are the best place to live for anyone who isn't tau
pulsar cairn
i dont think craftworlders do slavery do they? not saying they do that out of benevolence
cloud flicker
its actually unclear if the enclaves are the best place to live for anyone who i...
Ye
wintry mist
its actually unclear if the enclaves are the best place to live for anyone who i...
I mean they have a whole, seemingly autonomous human world
cloud flicker
We don’t hear much guevesa talk
desert jay
If you're an Ork the best place to live is anywhere with a good krump
thin ibex
well, guevesa are tau, in that they took on the principles of the wider empire, rather than tau by species
desert jay
So yes that includes the Enclaves :D
cloud flicker
It’d be cool if we got, idk, a good book detailing some of the perspectives of non-typical factions.
Hruud book……
thin ibex
but also, we have little indication about the actual quality of life in the enclaves in general. At least from a high level, the barriers between castes have been somewhat broken down
but also, the enclaves frequently survives by a hair's breadth from interstellar attack
pulsar cairn
how's the life for those Dino Eldar?
about the same as a craftworlder but with dinosaurs?
wintry mist
I'll be real I would much rather be a human living in the shitty authoritarian caste system with schools and hospitals and fresh air than the shitty theocratic feudal empire with no school, no hospitals and toxic smog for an atmosphere
pulsar cairn
Orks have medicine
wintry mist
Anti farsight propaganda
thin ibex
past sphinx
Anti farsight propaganda
he's a counter revolutionary
pulsar cairn
hi Atlas
thin ibex
the thing is, Farsight currently is not at all pursuing the dismantling of the Tau Empire's system at large, and certainly not pursuing direct military action against the Empire. It's possible he might in the future, but for the moment, despite disagreeing with the Ethereals, he actually supports the Tau system for the most part otherwise.
wintry mist
Farsight actively does not want the Tau Empire to collapse
pulsar cairn
in 40k...i always look to the characters and groups i like with a grain of salt
wintry mist
The only reason he isn't back in is because he does not want to get executed by the Ethereals
pulsar cairn
i really like Guilliman .w. but ya know... Imperium... Great crusade..
past sphinx
The black library problem of trying to make genocidal super racists likeable protagonists
pastel rampart
junior robin
I actually forgot about the castes thing, now the model makes much more sense...
desert jay
Triangle air, square earth, diamond water, circle fire
jaunty dawn
square is earth, triangle is air like wings and then water is diamond
desert jay
Also I shudder at what a mess this system looks like for other septs
pastel rampart
"Why is your symbol the Halo energy sword?"
"Don't worry about it."
desert jay
There's a Tau ambassador model with the water caste emblem, IDK what product it was made for
pastel rampart
Inquisitor, yeah
solemn gull
I think I figured out the plan for my Wrath and Glory campaign
They are all var...
This is a fantastic campaign premise
thin ibex
im currently thinking deathwatch might be my best bet to do a tier 3/high power campaign for my dnd g roup
im pretty sure they'll all want a sort of power fantasy of running and gunning
what kind of enemies exist for me to run against without homebrew?
completely seperately, if you play guard and have the kurov's aquila and you bring a callidus, can you make a single stratagem stupidly expensive?
proud wing
you're saying you're running a d&d campaign in a warhammer setting?
wintry mist
no they just run dnd with a group
and are presumably running wrath and glory with that group
hence it's their dnd group
thin ibex
ah yes, atwcat has it right
apologies for lack of clarity
theyve got an interest in participating in a WnG game
and i canvased for opinions, noted that they want to be powerful, like space marines n stuff
none of us have ever run it
or played in it
floral herald
what kind of enemies exist for me to run against without homebrew?
There's a pretty good variety in the xenos book
thin ibex
nice
upper canopy
what kind of enemies exist for me to run against without homebrew?
If you get the threats book you can run low level demons, cultists, orks, Eldar, genestealers
thin ibex
i figure deathwatch would let them pick their favorite chapters and still play
floral herald
Very quickly turns into a gang of marneus calgars
thin ibex
yeaaaah i kinda realize, but i figure with some learning on the go it should be.. ok
lol
yeah i have very little idea of what thje advancement curve is like
but them being superheroes is probably ok
floral herald
I had my Deathwatch PCs go up against roughly a platoon of guardsmen out of the book and iirc they killed them all before the end of round 1
thin ibex
oh damn
yeah i think the players would probably enjoy that degree of dominance
what would be my balance levers to keep it interesting
upper canopy
Granted
floral herald
You can really go sicko mode in it because the PCs are super strong but are not usually exceptionally tanky, at least without a lot of effort and equipment
upper canopy
I had my GUARDSMEN players able to fight a platoon and win in a few turns
thin ibex
in general the game has you fighting at high power yeah?
floral herald
yeah W&G is high power at base and turns into "by the emperor that's a lot of damage" at high tiers
Like my campaign finale was 4 greater daemons at the same time
And while it put some real trouble on the PCs they won without losses
thin ibex
how structured should i try to be?
upper canopy
In terms of what?
floral herald
Oh, you can be relatively unstructured IMO
the rest rules are a little wonky anyway
thin ibex
and do i want to be a bit more on rails with plot progression or kinda be a bit more freeform/let em do what they want
upper canopy
See because wng assumes you are part of some kind of unit or organization
thin ibex
like im imagining they wouldn't begrudge me just pushing them from combat to combat as powerful space marines
upper canopy
You do usually have an incentive to keep things structured
You are following orders
thin ibex
ok so i could, at a high level, be like "your objective is X, here is immediate intel, otherwise use your own intitiatve and youre at liberty to do a lot of collateral as space marines"
and then have them work as they like within that frame?
upper canopy
Yeah if you'd like
Though I'd say with tactical combat being a thing you'd at least want prepped maps
floral herald
If you're run Deathwatch its a good model
Which is actually sort of like Lancer
You have a mission briefing, a chance to gear up or make oaths of the moment
thin ibex
yeah i feel like i could carry over some lancer chops
floral herald
Then the mission, which is vaguely sandboxy
And then a debrief
(I don't think W&G mechanizes oaths like Deathwatch does though)
(But its fun to have the players make some anyway)
wintry mist
so is W&G tier 3 like, high tier?
floral herald
yeah
wintry mist
ic
floral herald
There's 4 officially supported tiers
wintry mist
I might stick to like 1 for my campaign then
floral herald
And a semi official tier 5
floral herald
yeah
wintry mist
I am making these plans without having the book to read
so I'm just absorbing the information from you all
thin ibex
iirc intercessors are tier 4, basic marines at tier 3, as it came out when crossing the rubicon was a big deal
wintry mist
until I can buy it
thin ibex
i think in the core book, intercessors might be the ONLY tier 4?
unreal cosmos
There's a Tau ambassador model with the water caste emblem, IDK what product it ...
dude looks like a star wars alien that's somehow a racist caricature of itself
thin ibex
alternatively i could make up a chapter as a characte creation limitation, rather than deathwatch
upper canopy
Either works