#Warhammer and Such

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thin ibex
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we haven't seen anything regarding his current opinion on Luthor

pulsar cairn
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they released a lion book in addition to the arks of omen appearance right?

upper canopy
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Fallen aren't a thing anymore

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For thje most part

thin ibex
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but he did have "the risen" with him, who were otherwise once Fallen

solemn gull
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Oh thats massive

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So they don’t hunt the fallen anymore

thin ibex
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I think azrael chaffs at the idea of fallen serving the chapter, so i don't think thats a settled matter

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but I don't think he'll outright challenge the lion either

upper canopy
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Yeah it actually seems like the Dark Angels are MUCH less enthused than the Ultramarines

pulsar cairn
upper canopy
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to have their primarch back

solemn gull
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He’s ruining their shadow war

thin ibex
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I suspect it'd be a good source of narrative conflict to pull from for a bit

solemn gull
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Azrael going renegade could be bad ass

thin ibex
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I think also during arks, Luthor escaped right? Or was that well prior

solemn gull
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We need more renegades in lore

thin ibex
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I do wonder how Lion would approach encountering luthor and cypher

pulsar cairn
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i don't think he would go renegade, he could go against his dad but considering how split the Imperium is already I don't think that would necessarily make him a traitor

pulsar cairn
thin ibex
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mmm might have, im not deeply lored up on that tho

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I just know the cliffnotes on the arks

pulsar cairn
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i gotta rewatch the adric episode on that

thin ibex
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Though in general, the question of "what are the Dark Angels without their secret shame?" is a fun one

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I just don't know if the actual narrative present and the tabletop rules reflection of their status is ready to solidly answer that question yet

junior robin
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they could go back to their pre-heresy days and use giant killer robots.

thin ibex
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incidentally i don't think the removal of the source of their shame would at all stop them from being taciturn and secretive dicks about stuff

jaunty dawn
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they still have deathwing and ravenwing haha

thin ibex
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i suspect secrecy is so built into their chapter zeitgeist that they keep banal things secret just because they can

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"Hey what time is it?
"That's a secret, brother"

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Incidentally, I wonder if all the smoke and mirrors make them easier or harder to infiltrate by a group like the Alpha Legion

tardy wren
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I kinda wanna build these GK models but I'm a smidge worried they'll go back to "Each of the different types of nemesis weapons has a different profile"

past sphinx
tardy wren
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and I'm a little worried about drilling all of them and inserting magnets, lol

past sphinx
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i think this skintone came out pretty well

tardy wren
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Also very slick ass flagellent

thin ibex
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honestly, i can't speak to others

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but i would not enforce WYSIWYG on GK models, if you tell me what the loadout is

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i work with that

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I DO think that the current generalized profile is great for making aesthetic choices

past sphinx
pulsar cairn
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oil me up so i can slide through the ground with speed

thin ibex
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incidentally, that IS a thing i kinda like about the current otherwise questionable "heirloom weapon" profiles on vets n stuff

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in that you can give em whatever weapon visually

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and not be penalized

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like i love giving people power axes, especially on the space wolves, and there's no competing incentive to go "well this other power weapon is just better in every way, the power axes are a major compromise of efficiency"

tardy wren
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I totally agree

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Reminds me of 4e when it was just "Power Weapon"

thin ibex
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the only regret is not my inner troll can take no pleasure in a mechanics head getting weirdly invested and annoyed that im not giving all of a unit only thunder hammers or whatever

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but that inner troll needs no feeding

tardy wren
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I do think thunder hammers are an exception, but I just think Thunderhammers and daemonhammers are cool and need to give the Big Smack

past sphinx
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i loved the minutiae of loadouts, combiweapons, power weapons all that shit but i also had a but of bits and like modeling

tardy wren
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I'm afraid of magnetizing lol

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or else I'd just drill and magnetize the arms

past sphinx
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however making all combiweapons a single profile was a crime

thin ibex
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don't get me wrong, I like the minutae of picking loadouts and stuff, god im a fan of wolf guard and they had WAY too many options

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however i disliked the "one true choice" crowd

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where effectively one option was the only one that mattered, and you were objectively wrong if you didn't pick it

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because fuck that

past sphinx
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poweraxes had just flat better AP right?

thin ibex
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at least as of 8th and 9th, less ap, more strength

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so before the current way weapon profiles read; Power swords were +1 str, -3 AP; power axes iirc were +2 str, -2 AP

past sphinx
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ah right

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i admittedly never really used them in the day with wolves, because Sword and shield Varangian guard

thin ibex
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i often went mixed loadout

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because i really like the idea of wolfguard each picking their personal specialty from the chapter loadout

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it made rolling combats annoying as hell tho

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but it fit my fantasy for them

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So like Hogar the Strong might have a thunder hammer, but Dane might bring an hierloom power sword

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and Magni has got a sword and power axe because he's all business

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(or shield and power axe)

tardy wren
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hrm, Callidus Assasasin+Coteaz, or Coteaz+a big-ass squad of henchmen to roll with

thin ibex
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rather than "Yeah, we all talked, and despite being brought into the wolf guard for our strong individual personalities and skill sets, we're all gonna bring the exact same kit"

tardy wren
thin ibex
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"Bjorn told us it makes the 'Shooting' and 'Fight' phases easier to 'Roll'. We do not question his wisdom despite not really understanding"

past sphinx
thin ibex
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Coteaz with henchman works i think

tardy wren
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I've got 175 points to spare on this GK list

thin ibex
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mostly calso cause the henchman KT/squad is so full of personality

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also makes coteaz tougher to snipe out

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Callidus is very good ofc, hitting em with the +1 cost to something like command rerolls can be fairly influential

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but the henchman means that if any inquisitor is with them, the whole squad has -1 to wound on attacks targeting them

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it is a bit funny to me that Coteaz gets the imperial authority rule to be able to board any transport his squad can board, but the henchman cant board any transports

tardy wren
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That squad is just gonna sit in the back and camp on objective, but

past sphinx
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voidsmen maybe?

thin ibex
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for back camping i do honestly think the inquisitorial henchman would be good, the permanent -1 to wound + the 5+++ from coteaz against daemons and psychics makes them surprisingly reslient

tardy wren
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A 10-man unit of voidsmen would also cost 100 and... camp in the back.

thin ibex
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and they can also use the astropath to close off deepstrike within 12 inches

obtuse violet
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Just realized that the End and the Death book 3 releases a month from now intensifeyes

tardy wren
thin ibex
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ahh ok

tardy wren
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er, I guess 4+1 Gun servitor+1 mystic

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Which is 75+60, leaving me 40points left

thin ibex
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mystic thats what i was thinking, sry

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40 points could get you two enhancements on your GK leaders perhaps?

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or are enhancements already accounted for

past sphinx
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i actually managed to find all the little bastards, i should paint em for old times sake

tardy wren
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I could get Inescapable Wrath and Daemonica, or I could slap Sigil of Exigence on a guy

jaunty dawn
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I guess they could be like alright all you guys who wanna use hammer and shield you get into this pack

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aaa fuck discord scroll

thin ibex
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ah no its ok i get the context

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lol

tardy wren
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Sigil of Exigence on a librarian for survivability lol

thin ibex
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sigil lets you nope-a-port out right?

tardy wren
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Yeah

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I could run Cotaez and a Callidus and just try to hide Coteaz, lmao

thin ibex
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hey not a terrible idea, so long as your enemy has no indirect fire or good deep striking

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pretty easy to tuck a guy behind a wall

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though im not personally a fan of it lol

past sphinx
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if ur not gonna smack someone with that giant hammer

tardy wren
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Thanks for the ideas, friendos. :>

thin ibex
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👍

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hmm, gut check, but what army would this be to yall?

I dont like gambling
so I like a clear advanatage in a fight OR to avoid it completly
Losing a man and losing a unit is the same thing to me
so multi perso units are more likley to take losses and less likly for me to engage
I dont like to play risky in positioning

I'm bored and trying to make lists for friends based on their general tactical preferences

past sphinx
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Deathguard

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every boring match ive had has been against them

thin ibex
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lol

wintry mist
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Tau

thin ibex
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the losing a man thing had me thinking about like custodes maybe

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or knights

past sphinx
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how long has this person been playing btw?

thin ibex
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not at all

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this is just for fun

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and they're not even a big warhammer person

past sphinx
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that explains it

thin ibex
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i dont think they even know what death guard ARE

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but they'd be opposed aesthetically

past sphinx
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getting over the gutcheck of losing models is an important part of learning the game

thin ibex
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oh yeah, this is less their game strat and like their broad general tactical prefence

past sphinx
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give em some stodes or like ironhands

thin ibex
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My read into it myself is like... ambush/ strike and fade elites

floral herald
past sphinx
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heavy vehicles and assault elements

thin ibex
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The boxes i see checked personally are like... Raven Guard, Knights, 'stodes, maybe Harlequins

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id almost say thematically the LoV too, but i think she'd never accept dorfs

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as cool as i think dorfs are

past sphinx
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then she is weak

thin ibex
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xD

past sphinx
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LoV is very in that pocket however

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dead on even

thin ibex
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yeah i was noticing the same

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my big bro im doing one is so much easier, im making him a tempestus scions "helicopter cav" elite guard list

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fun theme, obv not super meta

past sphinx
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but based as hell none the less

thin ibex
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hahah, follow up, she doesn't know a lot about 40k, but she was like "I figured the stodees might be good for that"

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Maybe an aeldari list focused on rangers would work too

wintry mist
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Tau

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I bring them up again

thin ibex
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Valks and vultures start on the board in hover mode, marauder and 2 smaller scions squads start in reserve

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Marauder as like an onstation ac130 feels kinda cool

wintry mist
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I like seeing people ask "who would win, x vs y" but its between a faction that would roll the imperium, and the imperium

thin ibex
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The usual "vs" honest answer is "it depends on who is writing the battle"

wintry mist
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I saw someone ask "could the UEF (from supreme commander) beat the imperium" and idk how they thought that was a close fight

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The UEF can make titan-sized robots every 7 seconds

bright dove
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Well, things get closer when we pull in the Imperial Navy.

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40k space combat shifts things hilariously.

thin ibex
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UEF also doesn't have literally thousands of planets right? Or do they? I have no idea

bright dove
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A lot of things even out when the Imperium starts aiming the space-grade weaponry down.

thin ibex
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Heck, or if you're abaddon, just actually blow up the planet

wintry mist
bright dove
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When I was part of a group of people who thought about things like this, we had to institute a "no space support" rule so that the 40k factions didn't just stomp everyone.

wintry mist
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By the time the order for exterminatus or whatever happens the ACU on the planet can just leave and the navy has just destroyed a planet

bright dove
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If you think the imperium cares about glassing a planet.

thin ibex
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Sometimes I think about how, despite how scary the imperial weapons are, they're loaded by serfs, by hand

wintry mist
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They will when they have to glass Terra or Macrage or whatever

thin ibex
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In space I mean

desert jay
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UEF has like grey goo levels of bootstrapped industrial expansion

wintry mist
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Yeah

bright dove
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Yeah

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But the Imperium is, like, a lot of lions. 😛

wintry mist
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Also I think the imperial navy would lose to an ACU building enough nukes to destroy the galaxy on every planet

thin ibex
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I think also, being able to develop a military infrastructure in hours doesn't really account for the enemy already having established infrastructure in a planet in question that has no trouble being immediately hostile. It may not have hours to develop. That and there's no real way to comparatively measure the difference in actual firepower from the things that they produce to fight

wintry mist
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A single knight is equivalent to a mechmarine imo

thin ibex
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If you teleport in, right next to an imperial fortress, it's not going to wait and see what you do

bright dove
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But yeah. The big thing is if we're saying the Imperium as in the entire Imperium.

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That's... That's a lot of things on the Imperial side there.

thin ibex
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I think equating a knight to a mech marine is a gross under estimation

bright dove
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There's a lot of X-factors in play.

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Like "What happens when a faction gets introduced to the Imperial Assassins?"

thin ibex
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It's only armament is a machine gun

wintry mist
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A knight may not be equivalent to a mech marine but its equivalent to like 5 of them

bright dove
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There's also the question of "Can a faction afford the loss of life the Imperium is willing to commit?"

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Because the Imperium has so many people it can just throw away without caring.

thin ibex
wintry mist
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Model scaling primarily

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(Everything is to-scale ingame afaik)

thin ibex
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I think maybe another comparative idea is that none of the Bots demonstrate any tactical initiative regarding decision making. Aiui they'll attack whatever is in range or are commanded to attack and go where they are told; but conversely have no issue standing around and getting killed if left to their own devices while in the range of a weapon that can reach them out of their own range

desert jay
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I don't think they're 60m but they're at least armiger sized and the big SupCom bots are absolutely titan-sized

wintry mist
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Yeah

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Idk where I got 60m but they are hyooge

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I think the ACU is 60?

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Unless they are space marines and the ACU gets unlucky the ACU can probably solo some backwater imperial planet

desert jay
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Also yeah they're mindless robots that need direct control, the winning option is prolly a decapitation strike on the ACU

wintry mist
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Which is easier said than done tbf

bright dove
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I dunno.

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There are absolutely things in the Imperium that can easily do that.

desert jay
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Also given that ACUs teleport in to their beachhead their strats is probably finding somewhere resource-rich and awkward to respond to

thin ibex
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its slightly easier than KO'ing a titan, in that it doesn't seem to have a void shield equivalent but is otherwise incredibly resilient

wintry mist
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Unless the imperial naval task group sent to blow them up has more cyclonic torpedos than they do strategic defences

desert jay
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Like some underlevel of a hive world where they can start recycling the walls

wintry mist
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Oh my god that would be awful

bright dove
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Nah, you want the feral worlds that the Imperium doesn't have active contact with.

thin ibex
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for some reason i read that as underwater hive world

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and i was like "That actually sounds kind of cool"

wintry mist
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The UEF would recycle the hiveworld into like, livable spaces lol

bright dove
thin ibex
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oh yo? From a book or splat book of some kind?

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what do they do, harvest loads of like algae and sea plants?

desert jay
bright dove
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Core DH 1e book, expanded on in some of the splats.

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Mostly algae, a shitton of fish.

thin ibex
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something i think about is, ultimately, the Imperium did win against the Men of Iron. Albiet they were in a stronger position than they are now I imagine

bright dove
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They also coat their buildings in native coral so the fuck-off huge sea creatures don't attack the installations.

thin ibex
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thats some tasty flavor tbh

bright dove
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It is!

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It's one of the cooler Agri Worlds I've seen.

desert jay
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And UEF/etc are so ISRU-focused that a random world's resources isn't a big deal, they'd only want worlds for positional strategic value or denying them to the enemy

bright dove
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It took a Mechanicus Biologis specialist to figure out how to make use of the planet, because everything else got destroyed by the megafauna.

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The man figured out that installations that were late on exterior cleanings lasted longer.

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And developed some stuff to encourage the coral to grow on facilities.

desert jay
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So I think Imperium can win but them winning mostly looks like successfully swatting away incursions on hive/forge worlds to maintain their industrial base

bright dove
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Hive/Forge worlds incidentally tend to be the most defended worlds.

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Forge worlds mean immediately having to deal with the Mechanicus.

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And by Imperial doctrine, Hive Worlds are supposed to be able to arm their entire populations in the event of an emergency.

pastel rampart
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I'm sure there's a forge world out there that's the 40k equivalent of Unicron and any sufficiently large invasion will see it transform into a giant titan.

desert jay
bright dove
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That is the question.

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And some Hive Worlds will be able to answer yes, some won't.

desert jay
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The funny scenario is if a forge world takes one look at an ACU's capabilities and just defects

bright dove
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Indeed.

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But I'm not sure that's a wholesale win for the ACU.

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If there's AI around...

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The Mechanicus is gonna get real unhappy.

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So the question is now a simple: Can they hold worlds from an Imperial counterattack?

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If Space Marines, Assassins, and orbital bombardments start happening, can they hold?

desert jay
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ACUs are manned and the bots all follow marching orders w/ low initiative, so it's a coinflip on if the bots are deemed friendly machine spirits

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Marines probably, assassins depends on target access, bombardments not really

thin ibex
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generally, because a lot of teleportations are effectively a single titan without void shields and powerful weaponry teleporting in, any sufficiently defended imperial world can respond in time I think.

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(the ACU being a single titan without void shields i mean)

bright dove
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But there's also enough worlds that can't respond in time.

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Oh, I just remembered.

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There's one other force to take into account.

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Can they stand Custodes coming in?

thin ibex
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the uef in general? I think their basic combative unit does outmatch individual custodes

bright dove
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But a target strike against the ACU might be another matter.

thin ibex
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yeah, does depend on if it has the tolls to block or answer a teleportation strike

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because then even space marines can pull it off

bright dove
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But I am also in the camp that Imperial Assassins are the biggest tide changers in matters of Imperial wars.

thin ibex
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ha, they killed aun'va and the Tau are totally fine (they're not)

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we just have holographic aun'va now

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who also... serves like no niche in a tau army

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really

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other than a surprise sub 100 point super tank for a turn

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its such a strange model/hero

bright dove
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Yep

thin ibex
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it, incidentally, is strange that ther e is no Tau ethereal supreme commander unit currently. At least one that is actually alive

bright dove
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But yeah. If you don't have a good answer to precision TP strikes, the Assassins, or the Imperium going "Fuck it, we glass the planet", your long term wins against the Imperium are fraught.

jaunty dawn
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supreme commander units are relatively new as a concept

wintry mist
jaunty dawn
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and they already did a shadowsunn glowup for it

bright dove
wintry mist
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like a UEF fortress world looks like billions of imperial knights and baneblades and titans

thin ibex
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considering the ethereal's role in tau society

wintry mist
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(not to mention anti-cloaking technology and perfect information fed to the ACU at all times

desert jay
thin ibex
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like the ethereal council's law supercedes the authority of shadowsun ultimately, but shadowsun is the overall military leader for the tau atm

jaunty dawn
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ethereals are kinda another aspect of t'au that get left behind in general

desert jay
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(They're usually really cool models tho)

jaunty dawn
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haven't really been updated in ever

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well there's the plastic model on a hoverdrone but that didn't develop the concept

thin ibex
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well, their models are straightfoward and do what they do. I think in 10th, their main role is some light cp generation

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and their interaction with battleshock is a non thing

jaunty dawn
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yeah I mean in the sense of like auxiliaries n such

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they were brought it when establishing the faction and then when developing the faction they were just like mechs sell mechs sell mechs sell

thin ibex
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i would like to see them developed a bit, though they are maybe a bit challenging from a unit design perspective of being a largely non combative, inspirational presence on the field

jaunty dawn
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bigger mech bigger mech bigger mech

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kroot soon though!

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kroot kroot :)

thin ibex
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that is a thing i dislike about the tau's growth tbh

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i know mechs sell and mechs are cool, hell i like mechs myself

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but i feel like a lot get left to the side for mechs

desert jay
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Yeah I kinda wish the stormsurge and larger didn't exist

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Stick to the small mechs

thin ibex
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heck i was crying wolf with the riptide

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i still think it looks a bit goofy

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but its grown on me

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as has the stormsurge's goofiness

bright dove
thin ibex
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but yeah, id like to see move development of the idea of the tau utilizing more auxiliaries to cover for their tactical gaps

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i guess there's some overlap with the mixed regiments theming from the guard, but i think there's enough difference with totally alien species

bright dove
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Let me get my true rag-tag coalation of aliens army going, yeah.

desert jay
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Wish we had Vorgh auxiliaries for their titanic unit, even though their first lore mention was 9e

thin ibex
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im very very keen to see what comes of the new kroot releases and what they'll be

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cause i fully intend to incorporate kroot and vespid into my list regardless of meta

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i have the farstalkers, despite their less than stellar stats on the 40k board

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oh as far as the riptide, i do feel like the big burst cannon looks infinitely cooler than the ion gun

desert jay
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Ah, Stormsurges released in 2015 with 7e

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Riptide was 2013 with 6e

wintry mist
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I thought you typed "releases in 2015"

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and was like "I dunno how to tell you this..."

desert jay
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Not technically wrong if I was a time traveller

thin ibex
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yeah riptide came first, and i remember strongly protesting the "bigger, and more, crisis suit"

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because i felt like it was representative/indicative of a worrying trend of "more bots" in the tau

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more bots, more big

jaunty dawn
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ghostkeel is good

thin ibex
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ghostkeel is good

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this i agree

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and i think it was post riptide too

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even if it IS a more and bigger stealthsuit, it feels different enough

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and i guess doesn't have the riptide stigma

desert jay
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Ah, and the FW release of the stupid-huge Taunar was also in 2015

thin ibex
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Tau'nar did also feel egregious to me, mostly because im still riding that OG Combined Arms Tau with a military doctrine that didn't involve trying to match like for like in a tactial sense

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in that they wouldn't try to build a giant robot to fight a giant robot, they'd create other assets like the AX-1-0 Tiger shark

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instead of building their own titan

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which they themselves thought was stupid

bright dove
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This is when you bring in the More Railguns strat, yeah.

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Sure, it's a titan.

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But can it handle MORE RAILGUNS?!

thin ibex
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they also, generally, don't have a doctrine of holding ground and glorious last stands whenever they can help it

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they value the lives of their soldiers more than inert ground generally

desert jay
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Ghostkeel is alright but I wish it was a bit smaller, like just above broadside size

thin ibex
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i do think unde a while back did make a good case of the stormsurge representing an evolution of tactical doctrine, and accepting that they do need to hold ground sometimes

bright dove
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Looking at you, Tyranids.

thin ibex
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but i also still think that an evolving doctrine shouldn't evolve towards using the enemy's applied tech and strategies like they do

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incidentally i think the stormsurge was invented to mount anti knight weapons and anti superheavy weapons

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but ultimately my protestations will change nothing about the direction the tau were already taken, so i can simply hope that the expanded tau context will help round things out

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content*

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with Kroot

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and hopefull with vespid in the future, and other races

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side note, a thing that seperately actually bothers me a lot is that the lore never goes into answering how they get their bigger newer walkers around in space

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they can't be carried by the core miltiary transport for the tau, the manta

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unless they're carried in parts

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and assembled on site

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did they also develop specific transports just for the tau nar and stormsurge?>

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i have a pretty clear idea of how most other combat elements in a coalition fit into mantas and orcas

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but the tau nar, stormsurge, and even the riptide a bit, are somwhat mysterious to me

desert jay
thin ibex
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hahaha

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the tidewalls were apparently used to great effect by shadowsun at golgatha bay

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bamboozled the white scars iirc

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by having a big defensive line that shifted and moved

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not golgotha, thats armageddon

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mugalath i think

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only for the imperium to exterminatus in response

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i think the white scar character korsarro has like a blood oath to hunt down shadowsun

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side note, the tidewall with the drone port is honestly a bit interesting to me

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moreso than the railgun wall

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"attack literally everything in its range that it can see"

white mural
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Whoever told me to try spruce glue is a king and it’s perfect

thin ibex
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spruce glue?

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tell me more

thin ibex
pastel rampart
# thin ibex spruce glue?

"Sprue glue" is bits of plastic sprue and dropping it in plastic glue, typically Tamiya extra-thin cement.

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You then use this goop to cover gaps in plastic models. Once dried it's basically plastic so you can sand it down smooth.

thin ibex
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ohhhh

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cool!

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ill probably forget that i learned this today which sucks but its actually a great idea yeah

thin ibex
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but aside from that larg amounts of stealth, fast movers, and deep strike means the army is readily able to maneuver and jockey for best position

thin ibex
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hmm

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another friend's army prompt tactic was just "minimize risk to myself"

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which isn't a lot to go on

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i think i might have fun interpreting that as "minimize risk to my warlord who is me"

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cause there aren't really any armies that can play super risk averse

cunning lintel
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i may have made a mistake deciding that i want my new deldar models to be Extra Cool and on the spot making up lore to explain why i'm splicing them with extra sylvaneth bits i had lying around

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on one hand: Cool Dudes™️ with unique models
on the other hadn: The Effort sadcowboy

white mural
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I have bits from a vampire counts battalion so I’m marking my leaders more clearly by putting skulls or ghoul heads

cunning lintel
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honestly i love even minor kitbashing so much, i dont think i have like, any models that are built exactly as the manual says

white mural
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Kit bashing is wonderful

cunning lintel
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straight up my favorite part of the hobby

white mural
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Building and painting the models is the best part

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The game eh

quaint compass
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I like 10th, which makes kitbashing more convient when you're forced to play get to show off your models

white mural
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Got this guy stepping on a aberrant skull

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He has a acolyte head

cunning lintel
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Here's a scourge with a kabalite right arm and a spear made of a harlequin sword stuck on the end of a stormcast spear shaft

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jaunty dawn
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ooh

cunning lintel
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currently working on my archon who uh, has scourge, kurnoth hunter, treelord, and ylthari guardian bits on em so far i think? will show when they're built

solemn gull
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First match in about 1.5 years

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floral herald
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killteam?

cunning lintel
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hell yeah cardboard terrain is best terrain

solemn gull
floral herald
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oho

solemn gull
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A 3 way match between Cultists, Orlock bikers, and the enforcer precinct

floral herald
#

I should have realized it - I know vaguely what orlocks look like even

solemn gull
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It ended hilariously with my last orlock running for 4 turns while trying to unjam his gun only to get chased down by a ogryn with a harpoon launcher

floral herald
#

oh no hahaha

solemn gull
#

I kitbashed the cultist team to be totally rule of cool before looking ip their equipment

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Turns out a giant tanky ogryn slowly lumbering towards you and then pulling you in to it’s melee range with a harpoon is horrifyingly effective

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He killed 3 of my poor orlocks

thin ibex
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Nightmare fuel lol, desperately slapping your gun as the ogryn rumbles after you, harpoons flashing past you

jaunty dawn
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I'm making a van saar team rn with all the bits

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and I've just decided to disregard how expensive I'm making my models in game points and make something that looks cool sfgfk

solemn gull
jaunty dawn
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didn't really think about it until recently but my og van saar team was basically my first step back into the hobby when they came out

cunning lintel
#

honestly same, i dont think the scourges i just made are in any way table legal but they look cool af imo and that's what matters

jaunty dawn
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uh, still mean necromunda 2018 just my last go around haha

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dunno why that's formatted like that but okay

desert jay
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It thinks you're doing a numbered list starting (and ending) at 2018

jaunty dawn
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ohh

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  1. makes sense
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the ash waste backpacks are big but I consider them as including grav chutes so I think it works

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gonna paint them white and then weather the fuck out of them. have some scrungly xcom ass guys

pastel rampart
thin ibex
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I'm imagining a big fucking marine face under that

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Just a big bald space marine yelling face with arms and legs

solemn gull
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THESE ARE SO COOL HSVSJS ALA

jaunty dawn
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:D

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I'm glad you think so

white mural
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Anyone got any advice for magnetizing a rock grinders

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It’s the last model I haven’t put together of my GSC cp

past sphinx
pulsar cairn
white mural
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Finally finished assembling everything but the rock grinder

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thin ibex
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Man, with the skitarii hunter cohort, you really are fielding the skitarii legions

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proud wing
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how many Spongebobs would it take to beat the Imperium of Man

thin ibex
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mm, spongebob follows cartoon rules, so in the right place and at the right time, just one

floral herald
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Based on this chart no more than 20 billion

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thin ibex
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what in the goddamn

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wait is this a new meme

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or an old meme

tired cairn
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lmao, why does that exist

thin ibex
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seems like its using some strong, thorough math there to assign those numbers

bitter mortar
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custodes are beating up spongebob (cartoon style) and then patrick walks up with some shiny golden gear he 'found' 'over there'

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boom, Eye of Terra

thin ibex
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i also think Ed alone, from ed edd and eddy could destroy the imperium

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if he's far enough to see it, he could jsut pluck terra out of space and eat it

desert jay
floral herald
#

This is a time-honored tradition in the vs-debate community

topaz elk
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It is funny people bringing up silly characters like SpongeBob or Bugs Bunny as a joke when powers scaling, when it’s likely their power has already been calculated and yes they are in fact extremely strong

pastel rampart
#

Funny gag characters typically are because they ignore physics, reality, and common sense.

bright dove
#

Popeye solos Dragonball Super

pastel rampart
#

Arale solos Super.

bright dove
#

Very canonically so. 😛

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Even if Vegeta gets in a good punch.

pastel rampart
#

The more interesting match-up is Popeye vs Luffy.

bright dove
#

Yes

thin ibex
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so, something that occured to me is that gsc armies may not even believe space marines are real

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some anyway

bright dove
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Yep!

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And then they wind up with a very, very bad surprise.

jaunty dawn
#

when your revolution is so great that your enemy has to break out the Myths to stand a chance

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although idk. most cults end up at least somewhat vertically embedded I think

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so better access to ifnormation than average ppl

thin ibex
#

which was it, malcador or macharius that are like the poor man's baneblade?

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was thinking about doing gsc with like second hand baneblade

floral herald
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Macharius I think

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The Malcador is IIRC a Leman Russ cousin

jaunty dawn
#

yeah

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macharius is the superheavy

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it's stc data is less tightly guarded because it's not as good

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so more forge worlds have the like permission etc to make it

thin ibex
#

cool ty

jaunty dawn
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cause mars keeps the good stuff to itself and people it trusts not to darkmech 2 electric boogaloo if another heresy happens

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the malcador is more like rogal dorn sized I think

alpine quarry
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I hate warhammer fantasy fans

Now they are whining that tomb kings are "bad guys"

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I do not understand this degree of parasociality

jaunty dawn
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huh

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what's parasociality got to do with it

bright dove
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I mean. Tomb Kings are the biggest threat to other Undead because Fuck That Bastard Nagash.

soft willow
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The Malcador is a long Leman Russ with a crappier turret.

alpine quarry
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I say parasociality to denote weird feelings that people have towards imagined image of a setting that was objectively dead and buried

I dont even know what happened. I think the tomb kings are being featured as the antags for the bretonnians in their old world reveals?

alpine quarry
bright dove
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When you're being lumped in the same side as Chaos and Orcs

jaunty dawn
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theres two initial rulebooks for the old world factions; split between 'good' forces and 'evil' forces

bright dove
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It does make a difference to faction fans.

floral herald
#

I vaguely remember the Malcador also being faster and better vacuum proofed

bright dove
#

Mmmmm, vacuum proofing in vehicles.

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Does my heart good.

alpine quarry
jaunty dawn
#

so like empire and bretonnia and welves and helves and dwarves are all being labeled good while chaos orks and tk are being labeled evil

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and my understanding of the upset is basically that the tomb kings aren't any more evil than most of the good factions, none of whom are really good

alpine quarry
#

Thats nit really the case

jaunty dawn
#

like wood elves are just murdering everyone else and gaslighting another society for fun

bright dove
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Wood Elves would genocide the world outside of forests if given half the chance.

alpine quarry
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Wood elves are the major exception, i agree. Others are not as comparatively ""bad""

alpine quarry
wintry mist
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bretonnians love being peasants

jaunty dawn
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malcador is same width as leman russ but I think about as long as a rogal and apparently taller

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so weird middle ground

bright dove
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I'm not saying that Tomb Kings aren't evil bastards.

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I'm saying they're lumped in with Chaos and Orcs.

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And that's not the best feel.

jaunty dawn
#

really the core of the upset is less about tomb kings specifically and more that good and evil isn't really how people want the fantasy setting to be described

alpine quarry
jaunty dawn
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especially in an era that like doesn't even have everyone vs chaos to fall back on relatively speaking

wintry mist
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isn't that literally what every other faction does

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go pillage other people for trinkets

bright dove
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All the time.

alpine quarry
jaunty dawn
#

on some level gw probably recognises this because they edited an image in the article that revealed which factions would be in books and which would be in pdfs haha

bright dove
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It's not really a snobbish thing to care about.

alpine quarry
#

It is.

bright dove
#

This will go nowhere, got it.

alpine quarry
#

"my guys are in the same book as the other guys and are called evil" is a weird thing to care to about to such a degree as the people i encountered do.

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Thats why i called it parasocial

wintry mist
#

why care so much about other people getting upset about something you clearly don't give a shit about

torn arrow
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lmao

alpine quarry
wintry mist
#

like I couldn't care less that the tomb kings are in the evil book but I also get that it shows that GW doesn't give a damn about the vibes of old warhammer

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the good guys vs the evil guys is a vibe for AoS

jaunty dawn
#

ultimately the decision has more to do with like. price per page at printers than any lore for gw

wintry mist
#

yea

alpine quarry
#

I am unsure on how to handle it better? Like i think the good vs evil book fits given the circumstance

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Imo welf and tk are more neutral than explicitly good-evil but making three books is weird

jaunty dawn
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and I don't even mean that in a way to be like gw doesn't care I mean it literally doesn't matter cause it's not a decision where lore is actually relevant

thin ibex
jaunty dawn
#

but like given end times etc it's not surprising ppl are antsy

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but also just the warhammer community at large is prone to doomerism

floral herald
#

I’m not really a WHF follower by any means but it seems like a weird axis to split the factions to me

alpine quarry
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I mean the only axis that kinda makes sense is going back to moorcocks order vs chaos, but then the faction list objectively doesnt fit together

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Ill be real i am just excited to get new whf stuff, especially one that actually looks good FemmeHeckYeah

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I really dont like preemptive doomerism over minute stuff tho

thin ibex
#

When we're talking unreasonable, are we saying like people are sending death threats, ddoxing, digging up gw employee personal info about it?

jaunty dawn
#

at the end of the day the new models are what like. are the actual gamechanger haha

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if the rules are bad use rules you prefer. if the lore is bad ignore it

alpine quarry
thin ibex
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mm i can get how thats annoying, but then they're just passionate about it i think. I think many of us can post at length about a nerdy, mostly inconsequential topic if tested

alpine quarry
#

Hopefully nothing like employee harassment happens, although i am pretty sure that it was a thing when girlknights were revealed

alpine quarry
thin ibex
#

i think stuff gets more inexcusable if people are threatening to kill people or mining personal info

floral herald
#

This is the first time I’ve heard people say TKs aren’t evil ngl

alpine quarry
#

I mean they are probably better than chais, but thats a low bar innit

bright dove
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God no, they're evil bastards

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But being in the same book as Chaos is being lumped in with them.

alpine quarry
#

Chaos is better than chaos

bright dove
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And nobody wants that.

pastel rampart
#

TK are evil as compared to mortal factions, but they're practically saints compared to chaos or Nagash.

bright dove
#

I hate to pull out the Nazi example

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But

alpine quarry
#

Like chorfs and norska are better than more abstract chaos

bright dove
#

gestures at Chaos

pastel rampart
#

Like that's the thing with fantasy: there's shades of grey for everyone except chaos, Nagash, and Skaven, who are so comically evil they make Skeletor blush.

upper canopy
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Tomb Kings aren't that much more evil than Humans, Elves, or Dwarves, tbh

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Oh this was said I was scrolled up

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sorry

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Yeah

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Tomb Kings for the most part just want to be left alone to be insane in a hole in the ground

alpine quarry
floral herald
#

Chorfs seem pretty bad but WHF chaos doesn’t seem so bad all in all

pastel rampart
#

TK are the penultimate "get off my lawn" faction, and most of the rulers there are fine so long as they're left alone.

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Settra being an exception.

upper canopy
bright dove
#

SETTRA IS ALWAYS EXCEPTIONAL

upper canopy
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Like Chaos is doing the same thing just without the same tools.

alpine quarry
floral herald
#

I don’t really know their deal all in all

upper canopy
#

I mean they even get away with stuff that 40k isn't allowed to because of the age of the setting :v

upper canopy
alpine quarry
pastel rampart
#

Chaos isn't any less evil than they are in 40k, but because they're not contrasting against the immensely oppressive system that is the Imperium of Man there's more nuance to them.

bright dove
#

Capitalist slave nation, yeah.

floral herald
#

Who is the “they” there?

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Cause I was talking about WoC

upper canopy
#

Oh

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I thought you meant Chorfs

floral herald
#

Yeah important clarification whoops

upper canopy
#

WoC are just as bad as CSM though yeah

bright dove
#

Worse in some ways.

upper canopy
#

Looking at you Archaeon's backstory

floral herald
#

I know a bit about chorfs from one of the total war expansions

topaz elk
#

WoC is also weird because they aren’t really a nation

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They’re essentially just the full mobilization of Norsca under the everchosen

alpine quarry
#

Important thing about WoC is that most of them are individuals that are extremely deep down the line of falling into chaos.

bright dove
#

In many ways, I prefer Fantasy/Age of Sigmar to 40k

upper canopy
bright dove
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Because there's a lot of fun texture there.

upper canopy
#

Man this rules

pastel rampart
#

Yeah, any given chaos warrior is all-in on chaos in the same way techbros are all-in on crypto.

floral herald
#

Oh I thought Norsca was another group

bright dove
#

Ish

alpine quarry
#

Like there are norscan marauders, who are chaos aligned because life is shit, but actual champions are extremely depraved and wish for nothing but apocalypse

upper canopy
#

Nah Norsca is a country

topaz elk
#

They’re like

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What makes up the WOC

floral herald
#

And WoC were like, the people on the (rest of the) border of the polar realms of chaos portals

bright dove
#

There's just a lot of different takes on the Gods of Chaos in Fantasy.

topaz elk
#

But norsca isn’t always the WoC

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If that makes sense

pastel rampart
#

Yeah.

upper canopy
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Norsca isn't even MOST of the WoC

alpine quarry
#

Mhm

bright dove
#

Let us not also forget the Beastmen.

upper canopy
#

Not even counting Beastmen

topaz elk
#

I thought the beastmen weren’t in the warriors?

bright dove
#

Who are Fucking everywhere

upper canopy
#

I mean the Hung are to Norsca what Norsca is to the South

alpine quarry
#

There are nations north of norsca which are just explicitly just evil people

#

Like with norscans there is some nuance, etc, etc

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But then theres hung

upper canopy
#

The WoC encompasses basically a vast swathe of territory around the arctic rim that has dozens to hundreds of tribes and ethnicities

pastel rampart
#

Lots of the northern tribes worship chaos but their own interpretation of them, with varying names for the big 4 and lots of little other gods; and to them it's just a way of life, a means to endure the hardship, not dissimilar to a man of the empire saying a prayer to Ulric or Taal.

upper canopy
#

But because Norsca is closest it gets tied to WoC the most

pastel rampart
#

It's when they get hopped up on Chaos Juice that things get bad.

bright dove
#

Yuuuup

alpine quarry
floral herald
#

Lmao there’s a country called Hung?

upper canopy
#

A tribe

floral herald
#

Are they you know

upper canopy
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They're 9 feet tall

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So probably

floral herald
#

Do they eat a lot of garlic?

topaz elk
#

Goddamn

topaz elk
floral herald
#

Oh I went another way with that at the same time haha

bright dove
#

I'm here to rep the true winners of Warhammer Fantasy.

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Ogres.

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Ogres are just out there

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living their best life.

pastel rampart
#

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hung They're ah, hm.

Hung

The Hung are a nomadic oriental race of hunters and gathers, shorter and squatter than the people of Cathay but otherwise resembling them. [4a]
The Hung are perhaps the most easternly of all the Northmen tribes, inhabiting the lands of the Chaos Wastes to the north of Cathay and the chilly lands of Naggaroth in the New World. The Hung are consid...

upper canopy
#

Oh wait

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I did not mean the Hung

#

who the fuck did I mean

#

I'm just getting Tome of Corruption out

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KURGAN

pastel rampart
#

Ah yes, Tome of Corruption, a book that somehow got to print with a bad copy-paste job under the beastmen section.

floral herald
#

Oh so I guess they’re sort of fantasy huns or something instead

pastel rampart
#

(I still like ToC)

bright dove
#

That is the Hung, yes.

topaz elk
upper canopy
#

Please note the Norscan at his waist

alpine quarry
#

Kurgans are so funny

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I remember sharing this exact illustration with my friends

bright dove
#

But yeah.

#

Up north is not fun and sometimes Daemons happen.

floral herald
#

I recognize that illustrator

bright dove
#

Meanwhile Kislev is just sitting in the way going "Yes yes, you're angry"

upper canopy
#

Average Ostlander hearing a distant CYKA BLYAT followed by a gunshot every 20 minutes

#

Kislev is just like if you lived in the Zone but you had a bardiche and a flintlock instead of an AK-47

topaz elk
#

You guys think Kislev will occasionally shoot little groms at Norsca?

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Not even for a battle

pastel rampart
#

Forever find it funny how badly chaos performed in Storm of Chaos and had to be deus ex machina'd past Kislev.

topaz elk
#

Just to piss them off

bright dove
pastel rampart
#

They sure fucking don't!

floral herald
pastel rampart
#

Especially since their army list had bear cavalry.

pastel rampart
floral herald
#

Those are always so funny

upper canopy
pastel rampart
#

Around the same time as Eye of Terror, which had similarly hilarious results w/r/t chaos.

bright dove
#

See, I'm glad that I was arond for Medusa V and that one crown.

pastel rampart
#

only 40k had orks going "fuck no we're not with chaos" and just collectively got up to Shenanigans™️

floral herald
#

I like how in their canon the only thing which has kept the Imperium staggering along is the Imperial Navy for the 40K ones

alpine quarry
bright dove
#

Grimgor always has the best motives for the world campaigns.

topaz elk
#

I still think they do it though

bright dove
#

"IF I GET ENOUGH PEOPLE MAD, THEN EVERYONE WILL FIGHT ME!"

alpine quarry
#

Which you would think norscans would move and settle into if the life up north is so shit but i guess not xd

topaz elk
#

Just for 40k it ended in the fall of Cadia

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And for fantasy

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The end times

#

So one of these settings got a way better deal

pastel rampart
#

Yeah, fantasy :v

bright dove
#

Hey, the End Times led into the Age of Sigmar.

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Chaos has to watch itself now.

#

The worst thing they could have done happened.

#

The slann are looking at the world

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And going "We can't make this worse for the Great Plan"

topaz elk
#

I do like how the lizardmen just

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Left

#

In the endtimes

upper canopy
#

Well some of them did

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most of them blew up

bright dove
#

"They destroyed our way to see the future, and the world is fucked. Time to come back and hit Chaos harder than they ever thought possible"

topaz elk
#

They really saw this and said

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alpine quarry
#

I reread the journal entries i made to explain warhammer more to my players all those years ago, and there I said that the norscan witches are most comparable to hedge wizards and not chaos sorcerors, but i cant tell if i made it up or not

bright dove
#

Depends on the witch

alpine quarry
#

I remember taking the description from tome of corruption but i cant find the source, since i translated the bit to russian back in the day

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It was talking about norscan wisefolk/priests, and the word i used is "vikti" (victi?) and i have no idea where i even pulled it out of

upper canopy
#

Vitki

alpine quarry
#

Oh, that was a typo xx

#

Oh yeah i def just made shit up about them

upper canopy
#

But yeah

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Fantasy Chaos is fun because you had "People who worship Chaos" and "people who are slaves to Chaos' will" as two distinct varieties of people

#

And I think it's way more fun than in 40k because like

#

Fantasy Chaos is much more about CHOICE

bright dove
#

You have other gods that will answer and help you.

floral herald
#

Yeah 40K chaos is kind of

upper canopy
#

Every Chaos Warrior you encounter conciously chose every step of the way to do what they did

floral herald
#

Hmm flanderized is the wrong term

#

Over intensified?

topaz elk
#

Really, this just means if Lorgar were in fantasy he’d be thriving

bright dove
#

Flat

pastel rampart
upper canopy
#

Smoothed

topaz elk
brittle salmon
#

Flattened for sure

floral herald
#

Flat isn’t really the term I’d use

#

I think it’s kind of turned into something sort of unrelatable because it’s so corrupting and subsequently awful now

alpine quarry
#

Or at least that my cope

upper canopy
#

eh

#

The only person I think has much of an interesting tie with their god so far is like

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Abbadon

bright dove
#

Ah, Abbadon.

#

The man who thinks he's Archaeon.

upper canopy
#

Abbadon's fine now

bright dove
#

Now that he finally got a win, yeah.

upper canopy
#

he has literally not stopped winning for like 6 years

floral herald
#

It’s hard to imagine people getting seduced by chaos when it’s like “yeah this shit’ll turn you into a Rick and Morty extra which was “rejected for looking too much like a diseased ballsack” and it’ll hurt the whole time

upper canopy
#

Shit has only carried over via meme-mentum

alpine quarry
#

Because it doesnt really make sense for it to not have the "people that worship chaos", like thats a huge ass jump to go from a guy on an agriworld joining a cult to having spikes inserted into you because you hate existence that much

floral herald
#

Abaddon is solo dragging the setting out of stasis kicking and screaming for a while now yeah

bright dove
#

Yuuuu

#

p

upper canopy
#

ADB also just vibes with Abbadon on an exceptional scale

brittle salmon
topaz elk
#

I feel like until every former 40K fan is dead and a brand new group of people find the remains of the settings will Abaddon be known as a fraud

upper canopy
#

Also like

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40k has more boring Chaos because the "mundane" forms of Chaos have to be super organized to be able to be explained going anywhere

#

A chaos spawn can just WALK to your house in Fantasy

#

In 40k one of your betentacled piles of ooze has to somehow run a starship

bright dove
#

You are always within 10 feet of at least 10 Skaven.

topaz elk
alpine quarry
#

Its also that when the scale of the cult shifts from city to planet, things get funky

topaz elk
#

I mean in 40k, if chaos spawn are on the same planet as you

#

Shit has already gone very bad

upper canopy
#

In 40k you got a chaos spawn on your planet all the time and anyone thinking otherwise is lying.

alpine quarry
upper canopy
#

Necromunda has a chaos spawn the size of a small kaiju down there

topaz elk
#

Fair

upper canopy
#

And that's an Imperial Fist recruiting world

topaz elk
#

It’s always in some state of falling apart

upper canopy
#

Necromunda is as ok as any other hive world

floral herald
#

Everywhere is kind of chaos tainted

bright dove
#

Necromunda is honestly doing fine.

#

Compared to, say, Volg.

upper canopy
#

Me and Alfabusa had a necromunda game where we both fought trying to hunt down a giant monster

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the giant monster began to kill us so hard our last standing 2 guys decided to team up and kill it

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and it's still probably one of the top 5 40k experiences I ever had

floral herald
#

That's pretty good yeah

upper canopy
#

We fucking killed it with a giant drill too

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By stunning it underneath and activating it

floral herald
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peak

upper canopy
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I've been telling stories all day so I'm really phoning this one in

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but please understand that it was probably the best experience I had on tabletop simulator

topaz elk
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I mean it sounds sick

alpine quarry
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But yeah a feudal world can have a chaos spawn just show up at your door from outta the woodworks easily too

Paradise world ls probably have a few cooked up ulby slaaneshi cults at any given time

past sphinx
upper canopy
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Yeah but 40k fans can barely get hard if you keep things to just one planet.

past sphinx
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everything is going fine on necromunda right now

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the lights are definetly not going out one by one

thin ibex
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not to necro, but arent TK canonically slavers?

upper canopy
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I mean yeah

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But their slaves at this point are all mindless skeletons

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(Also literally every faction practices some form of slavery)

bright dove
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Yep.

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Honetly, it's better than being a Skavenslave.

upper canopy
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You get killed FIRST at least.

bright dove
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And you're not able to process the issues.

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To quote one of the most morally bankrupt characters I've played

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"Is it really slavery if they don't have free will anymore?"

thin ibex
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i just mean compared to dwarves at least dont have slaves

upper canopy
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I mean dwarves do have forced labor for no compensation under punishment of violence/death.

alpine quarry
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To be fair dwarves also have an extremely rigid near castelike hierarchy in which any big enough step left or right is punished via heroic suicide

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If the step is small enough to not have you literally killed - there are enough punishments which are almost a death sentence

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Thats why i find chorfs so funny, as they also have their take on slayers

Except their slayers get cool armor, halberd-guns and can actually redeem themselves

dense sedge
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Did the rogue trader rpg have rules for playing drukhari?

floral herald
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yes

upper canopy
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yeah

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you could Omae Wo Mou, Shinderu people

dense sedge
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Neat, I know imperial characters were life paths, how did drukhari work

upper canopy
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skipped it I think

dense sedge
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Huh, did you pick incubi, wych, kabalitte or haemonculi I would guess

uneven ember
upper canopy
lofty warren
dense sedge
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Shame, the incubi bodyguard to a rt feels like it could be fun

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Also someone a human rt could trust to not cause problems

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A haemonculi hired as a rejuvenator could also be cool

upper canopy
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Admittedly I do not have Hostile Acquisitions

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and it's one of the few books I did not like

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read much

brittle salmon
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Drukhari aren't in HA

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They're in a free mini supplement

floral herald
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They're a tie in for an adventure

upper canopy
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Oh

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you can literally just look at it free on the FFG site

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very funny

dense sedge
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Huh, no kabalite strangely

upper canopy
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oh wait

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Okay so

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These are the priestieges

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for the base kabalite

floral herald
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Oh I wish I'd known about this

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I was thinking of playing a DE in a Rogue Trader game but decided against it because I didn't want to Kaballite

upper canopy
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I'd play a Dark Eldar in W&G tbh

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Oh this fucking whips as a mechanic

proud wing
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You cannot recover Shock by spending Wrath, or through the Medicae skill. However, you recover 1d3+Rank shock

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sometimes I forget how absolutely indecipherable TTRPG rules are when you're not familiar with the system

dense sedge
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I’d shock hp?

proud wing
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I'd assume so from context, but that seems like a weird term for HP

thin ibex
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I've read the rules once

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They haven't gelled

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The terms are familiar but that's it

bitter mortar
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I imagine shock is more like morale?

upper canopy
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Shock is basically like toughness

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the more willpower you have the more shock you can take

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before you take REAL health wounds

dense sedge
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And I guess wounds aren’t so easily replenished

upper canopy
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yaya

upper canopy
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@floral herald They added Alpha Beta and Gamma level psykers as talents lmao

floral herald
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oh lordy

upper canopy
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Can get a talent to be an Alpha+ Psyker

floral herald
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reaching levels of "fuck balance" previously not thought possible haha

upper canopy
floral herald
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In a good way

upper canopy
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You MUST be tier 5

thin ibex
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If you tier up a basic human dude to that level, is he really running with the big boys?

upper canopy
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Tier 5 is like

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Custodians

floral herald
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Probably pretty easily

upper canopy
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Eversor Assassins

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If you have a Tier 5 Psyker you're doing some bullshit

floral herald
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Skill stacking and such will make any T1 upgraded to T5 a freak of skill with poor stats

upper canopy
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Oh I love this

floral herald
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Being able to get an Elite is great

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Feels less "and here's jimmy redshirt, the walking corpse"

upper canopy
floral herald
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I member this from dark heresy

upper canopy
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For the low low price of 3 mortal wounds and a +30 to your perils test, roll 11 guaranteed icons!

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I forget if Exalted count for 2 actually

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If they do that's an automatic, what

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13?

floral herald
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Exalted Icons are 2 yeah

upper canopy
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13 icons

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incredibly funny

dense sedge
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eversor are that powerfull psykers?

upper canopy
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Nah

floral herald
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Eversor aren't psykers but they are really strong

upper canopy
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Eversor are just balls of violence

dense sedge
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sorry, I meant whichever assasins are the psykers, culexus?

floral herald
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There isn't a psychic assassin for the IoM, culexus are blanks

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They are pretty strong blanks and use amplifiers

upper canopy
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Oh there's an entire new subsystem for companions and familiars

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they added Black Templar Neophytes as an option lmao

dense sedge
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If I played a 40k rpg, I'd probably play a drukhari, a navigator, or a xeno tech smuggler

cunning lintel
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in the one rogue trader game i played i was a tau bodyguard for our actual rogue trader

solemn gull
dense sedge
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I already have too many other games I don't get groups together for

cunning lintel
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Oh ye here's my archon I was working on so far

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weary dragon
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Ooooh coool

south axle
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The Kurnoth/Sylvaneth bits looks like a great fit with the Voidscarred Corsair look

thin ibex
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Just got paid, gotta decide if I pick up the kasrkin kt to get started on my big brothers gift

thin ibex
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i think i will, just so that the box is in my hands

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don't have to get it all done immediately

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hmm

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what color would kroot be in a hive...

junior robin
thin ibex
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if my tau armor is going to be silver, that's effectively a grey, so pretty much any strong primary color will work with my kroot

jaunty dawn
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stone-y blue

thin ibex
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my accent color for my tau are pinks and purples...

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yeah i was thinking maybe a purply color

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or blue

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and the beaks might be a dark blue/grey

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along with the spines on their head

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maybe?

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(Aethermatic Blue)

jaunty dawn
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my dad painted their ones similar to that. looks good

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wonder if the ball will roll onto plastic admech in '25

thin ibex
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would a contrast brown work well for leathers?

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hmm i also gotta decide what colors the kroot capes are

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obviously not the same color as their skin

bright dove
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Tan of some sort would look good

thin ibex
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what color is this?

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its called snakebite leather

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but i cant tell if its like a greenish brown or whatever

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brown and its shades are difficult for me

jaunty dawn
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greenish brown yeah

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iirc

thin ibex
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humm

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does that clash with the earlier blue you think?

pastel rampart
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Consider instead: blue and pink for v a p o r w a v e flavor.

thin ibex
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hahaha

pastel rampart
thin ibex
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might actually fit since i already have a bright pink

pastel rampart
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Friend is doing that with his lizardmen.

thin ibex
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im using for my tau accents

pastel rampart
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Go for it, I say.

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Kroot going WILD.

floral herald
white mural
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Anyone have any reccomendations for a 2mm magnets and 2 mm pin vice?

pastel rampart
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https://www.amazon.com/Swivel-Head-Drill-Reversible-Collets/dp/B09VK5CMR8/ I've been using a similar pin vice for uuuuh almost 2 goddamn decades.

Swivel Head Pin Vise Hand Drill with Two Reversible Collets – Size ...

MAXOPRO Swivel Head Pin ViseOur manual hand push drill adopts an ergonomic design, the texture is smooth and delicate, and the grip is comfortable and not rough. The drilling is simple and easy to use. The drilling efficiency is high, which makes your daily work more convenient.Features:-For high...

white mural
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Your a G

pastel rampart
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Go for the 3/64" - 1/8" option, those'll be the typical sizes for pinning and magnets etc.

white mural
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I imagine they’d be a lot cheaper at Home Depot?

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Or Menards

pastel rampart
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Eeeeh depends?

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Pin vice uses very small sizes compared to a normal drill.

thin ibex
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what do you use to pre-set to make your drill not deviate btw?

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just use the exacto first?

pastel rampart
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They'll definitely have Dremel products at Home Depot tho, so if there's one close by it's worth a look.

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Yeah I just nick it with the x-acto.

desert jay
floral herald
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This is what I use

pastel rampart
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AP has pretty decent products, if a bit more expensive compared to other options.

floral herald
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Yeah

pastel rampart
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I legit don't know where I got this or what brand but I've had it for a loooong time and damn if it doesn't just do its job.

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Also, since we're on drill bits, COOL SLIM TIP: the 3/64" is perfect for pinning floral wire, which is a touch rare but can crop up for really thin and fiddly parts; the 1/16" is what you'll use for pinning with paper clips. These get the most use for me.

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3/32" is for 2mm magnets.

thin ibex
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slim you went to advanced for me in like 1 sentence

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your veterancy is blinding

pastel rampart
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I've been in the hobby since I was like 16-17.

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I'm gonna be 40 in a few days.

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I know a lotta shit.

thin ibex
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im still in the realm of getting as close to paint by numbers as possible

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well ok thats uncharitable

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i am magnitizing my crisis suits

pastel rampart
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I can say with a good deal of certainty that it's never been better or easier to get into model painting.

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Like flat-out this is a fucking golden age.

thin ibex
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that is very good to hear, i just placed an order for more paints xD

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also picked up the kill team im gonna paint for my big bro

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he doesn't have too much interest in actually playing, so it'll mostly just be for him to have and to display, and maybe play when i visit

pastel rampart
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When I started the only options for paint were GW, shitty craft paint, or Testors enamel paint.

thin ibex
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a thing i keep noticing is that its easy to fall into needing a new paint for everything! So I try to use the same paints in a lot of different ways

pastel rampart
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We didn't have washes, just inks, unless you thinned the paint down yourself. No contrast stuff. No one even considered doing oil washes for miniatures (meanwhile train and WW2 hobbyists were a billion years ahead of us lmao)

thin ibex
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im usin and abusing contrast paints, for good or ill

pastel rampart
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Oh by all means use them, I do too from time to time.

thin ibex
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as i understand it the train and world war diorama crowd are like the elder martial masters sitting atop the mountain

pastel rampart
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Absolutely.

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Those guys have forgotten more painting tricks than we'll ever learn lol

floral herald
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Oh man this is old

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I'm glad this doesn't really hold true anymore

thin ibex
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xD

floral herald
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old warriors for context if anyone needs it

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thin ibex
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something i realized

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i really like LoV aesthetic right

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but i realized one thing they DO lack

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is goofiness

pastel rampart
thin ibex
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even space marines still have the fucking go-kart and lil dude in the backseat for the storm speeder

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and the main transport pickup truck

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absolutely goofy asses

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LoV lack the goof

floral herald
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I can't agree Vanpanel Wizard Grimnyr exists

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desert jay
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Not just a tactical rock but a whole stack of 'em

thin ibex
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ok, you know what, thats a great point

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the grymnyr has good goof

pastel rampart
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But none of the LoV look like they're gonna do the devil trigger

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So, very weak on the goofy rating.

floral herald
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Magic floating rocks is a great kind of tac rock

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Ephrael Stern too

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pastel rampart
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God I just do not like Stern's hair.

thin ibex
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they need a white dwarf single model of an ogryn with darktides tactical rock

desert jay
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The Hekaton is also kinda goofy even if it also looks amazing at the same time

floral herald
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Kill-team specific but the Dozr is also pretty silly

thin ibex
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"hey man what's your weapon of choice?"
Straight hands, homie

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"I'm gonna punch a space marine to death today"

floral herald
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I also love the little lore for different kill teams and their basic melee weapon

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For Vet Guard and Kasrkin and such its "gun butts"

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For Drukhari its "many blades"

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For Space Marines it's just "fists"

thin ibex
soft willow
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Explains why so many chapters are hand/fist focused.

thin ibex
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rules wise, space marines punch as hard as a bolter round dont they?

floral herald
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Arbites get the "Repression Baton" and most of them are horrible in melee

soft willow
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Space Marines just wired for punch.

soft willow
thin ibex
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i miss the days where catachans achieved space marine strength just by pumping iron

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"genetic modification? Power armor? Pfft, I lift"

soft willow
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Yeah the problem in always having a 1-6 scale for things.

thin ibex
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for sure, there's no way that was actually the case

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i just frequently found it funny

floral herald
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Weirdly enough the Darktide Rejects Inquisitorial Agents is a KT with "Fists" for generic melee weapons

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Which is maybe lore accurate for how hard the rejects go

thin ibex
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they get taught kung fu

desert jay
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Instead of generic "Fists" Space Marines should have a cool tactical-religious named martial arts

floral herald
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Oh, Navy Breachers are another unique one, they all get the "Navis Hatchet" if nothing else

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It's just the weapon name

thin ibex