The formation of the EoT allowed the crusades to happen in the first place.
#Warhammer and Such
pastel rampart
tired cairn
The AoD is weird because it still had a high tech level right?
Higher than modern IoM and possibly Horus heresy IoM?
uneven ember
Back when the Land Raider Crusader was being introduced, the fluff talked about how the Templars were trying to siege a Hive World who didn't need to hear the Good Word of the Emperor thank you very much, and by zany coincidence their Tech...Marines? Priests? whatever just happened to find a long-lost Land Raider configuration for short-ranged infantry control and increased troop capacity, crazy how that worked out.
uneven ember
The AoD is weird because it still had a high tech level right?
Yeah, I think it's a "Dark Age" in that it's obscure and largely lost, not because it was worse than the times before or since.
pastel rampart
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Age_of_Strife Also whoops, it's age of strife; age of darkness is sometimes what the horus heresy is called.
uneven ember
Ah, right, I was thinking of the DAoT
tired cairn
Back when the Land Raider Crusader was being introduced, the fluff talked about ...
All Tech Priests are hereteks, just some get in trouble for it
Too many ages that are dark
tired cairn
Was DAoT the one with techno-barbarians?
floral herald
I think they were an age of strife thing
I think it’s called the Dark Age of Technology both because the IoM barely remembers it and because modern dogma is that unrestricted learning is bad actually
tired cairn
I want something set in that period just because techno-barbarian is too cool of a term to leave to the backstory
uneven ember
Some of the Skitarii have some of that going on.
solemn gull
I want something set in that period just because techno-barbarian is too cool of...
There is a subreddit focused on that I think
tired cairn
Some of the Skitarii have *some* of that going on.
They need more animal pelts
floral herald
Yeah I am vaguely aware of a lot of unification war era fanlore
I think their spiritual inheritors are honestly the space marines
For being techno-barbarians
past sphinx
I want something set in that period just because techno-barbarian is too cool of...
Techno-barbarian is a term to refer to those with powerful technology but no understanding of its function or moral restraint on its use
ya know
like the emperor and the admech
tired cairn
So all of the Imperium lol
past sphinx
precisely
solemn gull
The unification wars are such a cool time period of warhammer
It has a mythic sword and sorcery feel
past sphinx
it took several hundred years to unify terra, it took 200 to build the million worlds of the imperium
thats how bad the fighting was
roughly 2000 years IIRC
floral herald
Techno-barbarian is the Imperium’s term for… everyone else with technology on earth
I think it’s used in a very classical sense of barbarian
They’re all the non-imperium people who sound like “bar bar bar” and don’t speak Gothic like civilized people
solemn gull
Thats def part of the mythic/classical vibe
uneven ember
So all of the Imperium lol
Related to this, one of the things I do appreciate about getting a better look at 30K lore (for, I realize, 20-ish years, still after I got into the setting) is really making clear how the Space Marines of the "present" are, like, the elite of the elite, the Emperor's Angels of Death, arrayed in the most fearsome panoply, each among them hand-picked and forged in the fires and trials of etc etc
While during the Great Crusade they were the heavy infantry supersoldiers in mass-produced gear.
pulsar cairn
neat
pastel rampart
Oh that's brilliant.
naive abyss
random but i find the knighty bonking a csm in the foreground here hilarious in this art
past sphinx
granted ive painted a shitload of backbanners in my day
naive abyss
like its peak horny bat edit meme potential imo
floral herald
whos got time for that
Honestly I think the crossed arrows are probably a time saving thing
Not sure about the freehand Ω but it’s really annoying to freehand anyway
Probably a top 5 worst founding loyalist chapter logo honestly
upper canopy
Oh that is really cool
naive abyss
finally got a chance to edit them into a squad pic
floral herald
I’m curious what their full lore is gonna be like
naive abyss
at the very least its a safe bet theyre risen lol. i think theyre like literally the lions spies, actual guards, and if needed headsmen
like the lion probably is obssessively trying to get a grasp on what his legion has become
twekaed teh spacing in a way i prefer so they are clearly all visible lol
transparency as well lol
also ngl these may now be my fave non termie melee marines visually
though i do sorta hope they have options beyong teh greatsword
cuz theyd look great with like shields or bolters too
the great swords also look great though
floral herald
I’m not a big fan of their current lore blurb on the website since I think Lion is being much more upfront about the Companions in that
But maybe there’s stuff in the campaign book I missed
They seem too uptight on the website
junior summit
https://vxtwitter.com/sukosukokoko/status/1739252165355643280?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuW...
.......amogus
floral herald
The models rule though
junior summit
they do
floral herald
Cool to see more calibanite swords in 40k
bright dove
So the killing people en masse approach of the Imperium is more a side effect of their proper doctrine
Which is "Nobody can know"
The killing comes after that previous step fails.
But yeah. So long as the Imperium is limited to Warp Travel and Astropaths.
They can't really do much about their socioeconomic situation.
wintry mist
@bright dove not having "going through literal hell to get somewhere" be the cornerstone of your economy
bright dove
The alternative does not work
wintry mist
Like honestly if you have a solar system, you should not need trade
floral herald
Yeah solar systems have incredible wealth a republic of aligned but largely self sufficient systems would be vastly more stable
floral herald
But the Imperium would never allow its members to slip through its grip like that
bright dove
That, and it requires a level of book keeping that is
Not going to work.
Because it's basically "Let the planets do their thing so long as they pay their taxes when we get around to them" under the Big E's plan.
With the other rule being "DON'T DO THE CHAOS THING"
floral herald
That was not the Emperor’s plan though
bright dove
Also, a whole solar system worth of wealth requires a tech level that the Imperium really struggles with
wintry mist
They should not be struggling to do basic resource extraction
Also the faustian bargain with the mechanicus
That was big Es worst mistake
bright dove
What was he supposed to do about that?
past sphinx
war with the admech would have crippled the imperium to a degree they wouldnt have beaten the orks
they had titans legions
bright dove
They would have struggled to bring in other parts of humanity without the admech to.
floral herald
War isn’t necessary just betray, decapitate, and put someone reliable in charge
bright dove
The original plan probably consisted of Big E just outliving the people in charge and shaping things to his liking.
west oak
I don't know anything about Warhammer but the admech look really cool 👍
floral herald
The shit just hit the fan a little early for that I think
bright dove
The Horus Heresy definitely fucked over his long term Admech plans.
wintry mist
I honestly would have just not given all my technology to a bunch of psychotic cultists
bright dove
There was also the whole webway project.
floral herald
I honestly would have just not given all my technology to a bunch of psychotic c...
That part, aiui happened later
bright dove
He didn't give all of his technology over is the thing.
That happened after the Heresy.
brittle salmon
I honestly would have just not given all my technology to a bunch of psychotic c...
Mars had all the manufactories that Terra didn't, Emps really had very little choice
floral herald
Where the Admech scooped most technical skills in the wake of the Scouring and after being reorganized as the Adeptus Mechanicus not the Mechanicum
bright dove
Like, the mechanicus alliance intially consists of "Neither of us wants to do a war with each other. Work with me, and you can get even better."
wintry mist
Emps is literally immortal he could have gone "make shit for me... set my alarm for 8:30 112M.30"
bright dove
That was almost certainly the plan, yes.
But until that point, he still needs them to make him shit.
All the shit you need to start reconquering human worlds.
wintry mist
Big E could have caught up to the admech without the alliance, is the thing
past sphinx
and the admech wasnt just mars, kicking the hornets nest at mars even if you win means a wider war with a force with collossal firepower
they had fleets when the imperium had shuttles
bright dove
Could he repeat the slow, agonizing process he used to conquer Terra again?
Sure, probably.
wintry mist
Then delay! Dont hand over your economy to some dudes in robes
bright dove
But it's not worth it
brittle salmon
That risks a protracted war with the AdMech
bright dove
When you can make a short term deal that doesn't cost lives and gives you what you want.
brittle salmon
A war he can't win without massive losses
bright dove
And you outlive all the people who hold the reigns.
"This deal is annoying for now, but in a few centuries I can turn it around to my favor again."
bitter mortar
War with the admech might also risk the really dangerous stuff on mars getting loose
either accidentally or in spite
floral herald
How the Emperor could have won:
- don’t terror bomb the moon focus on Selenite facilities
- Demand Lorgar not be a moron with the Imperial Truth
- Don’t lay siege to Ullanor, take it immediately
- Zurge rush the Eye of Terror to cut chaos oil
- Ally with the mutants against the heretics
- Ignore the eastern fringe
bright dove
Literally if Lorgar had been handled differently.
wintry mist
Forgot roboute's counter offensive /s
bright dove
A lot of things would have changed immediately.
past sphinx
How the Emperor could have won:
* don’t terror bomb the moon focus on Selenite f...
make horus not be bald
bright dove
That, more than just about anything else, is what caused his plans to fail.
The Webway project was there to make travel safer.
The Golden Throne is also there to help with that.
He can just outlive and manipulate the Ad Mech
wintry mist
How the Emperor could have won:
* don’t terror bomb the moon focus on Selenite f...
Thank you for this this got a laugh out of me
bright dove
The Imperium becomes the fail state that it is because of the Horus Heresy.
tired cairn
Was it big E who said hate the mutant?
wintry mist
The Imperium becomes the fail state that it is because of the Horus Heresy.
Idk I think it was always one
bright dove
No, it was always an empire.
wintry mist
Just because it was very clearly built to only be ruled by the emperor
bright dove
I mean.
wintry mist
And the emperor made decisions like he would always be in charge
bright dove
Immortal and reincarnating.
floral herald
Was it big E who said hate the mutant?
Yes but not to the same pathological degree as the modern zealot
naive abyss
I’m not a big fan of their current lore blurb on the website since I think Lion ...
Which blurb?
bright dove
Idk I think it was always one
But being an empire, while never good, does not mean that a state is a failure. If history has shown me anything, it usually gets the opposite.
tired cairn
Yes but not to the same pathological degree as the modern zealot
Which is interesting because didn't he want everyone to become psykers in the webway?
glossy vapor
How the Emperor could have won:
* don’t terror bomb the moon focus on Selenite f...
I feel like, really not making any one of the big fuck ups big e made could very well result in winning the heresy, like. Emps fight with horus happens like less than a day before wolves, dangels, and ultras show up and push back the seige.
floral herald
Which blurb?
The stuff about how super secret they are
Lion seems to be much more upfront and wise after the Large Nap
So it seems weird to be that secretive with the Companions
And the Unforgiven seem to essentially worship the ground he walks on so needing spies seems a little weird
There might be more fluff which explains it but it feels like a weird break from what we’ve seen so far
floral herald
I feel like, really not making any one of the big fuck ups big e made could very...
To be totally clear, this is a copypasta about how Hitler could have won WW2 which I reworded
bright dove
But yeah.
Emperor does do things that suck.
But I wouldn't call him stupid.
Just out of touch.
past sphinx
god machine conspiracy baby!
glossy vapor
To be totally clear, this is a copypasta about how Hitler could have won WW2 whi...
Ah
floral herald
past sphinx
the "just take it" fuckin hits me so hard
floral herald
It’s so fuckin funny in a pile of extremely poorly thought out ideas
bright dove
Probably not
wintry mist
OH ITS THIS PERSON
past sphinx
It’s so fuckin funny in a pile of extremely poorly thought out ideas
royalist
bright dove
But yeah. Most of what goes drastically wrong with the Imperium is either because of the Heresy
wintry mist
"Zerg Rush Stalingrad" THATS WHAT THEY DID
floral herald
I feel like, really not making any one of the big fuck ups big e made could very...
It’s also worth noting that “day” is a broken term for the Siege since time is broken and Horus only allows the reinforcements through once it is too late for the Emperor to avoid fighting him
bright dove
Or that rat bastard Goge Vandire.
Like, Vandire did more damage to how the Imperium Works than fuckin' Horus did in the end.
floral herald
It’s like, literally a minute after the Emperor teleports aboard the Vengeful Spirit that they get a call back from the Ultramarines trying to locate the system in the warp
(Which is all but stated to be a twist of the knife by Horus or the chaos gods to know that they missed salvation by a minute)
wintry mist
Also "ignore africa" like ??? Africa was the "get out of our hair" front god I hate wehraboos
Anyway 40k
bright dove
I also can't fault the Emperor for not planning who would take his place in charge.
Because ,uh.
past sphinx
It’s like, literally a minute after the Emperor teleports aboard the Vengeful Sp...
i wonder if their will ever be actual ramifications for the secondus
people already think guilliman is a usurper
bright dove
Immortal, and who could even do all the things he does?
past sphinx
or tryng to me one
floral herald
I struggle to imagine the Imperium Secundus being a big deal in M42
bright dove
The Secundus isn't in a good position, iirc.
floral herald
The Imperium Secundus hasn’t existed for like 10,000 years
naive abyss
Lion seems to be much more upfront and wise after the Large Nap
Well the thing is he's probably realized brute forcing like he use to do with his legion would cause a civil war
glossy vapor
It’s also worth noting that “day” is a broken term for the Siege since time is b...
Shit
I have committed the cardinal sin of 40k lore and trusted something said by a meme to be accurate.
floral herald
Shit
I have committed the cardinal sin of 40k lore and trusted something said b...
In fairness this is pretty recent lore
The death and the end part 1 is only like a year old
floral herald
I mean, he literally did that in the campaign book aiui
floral herald
And Azrael was like “ok, I’m busy being SO STOKED you’re alive that I can overlook this”
naive abyss
The risen actively didn't engage with the unforgiven
bright dove
That doesn't sound lie Azrael at all.
naive abyss
And they still nearly started shooting the risen
floral herald
I’m paraphrasing but Lion being alive is an extremely big deal to them
naive abyss
I mean yes
floral herald
He probably didn’t actually say “stoked”
naive abyss
Like both my statement and that can be true
floral herald
It’s possible the elation wore off yeah
But Lion has been making a big attempt to be a less secretive and abrasive guy now
naive abyss
I mean they can be stoked for him still
Again forcing the risen would have been his old bad habits
Where he just expected his Marines to comply
Without question
wintry mist
I mean
naive abyss
Instead he's probably playing the long game and figuring out what the mess he has to sort out actually is
wintry mist
I feel like in the 41st millenia
The vast majority of marines would infact comply no questions asked
floral herald
That’s why I’m saying secret ultra-inner-circle spy marines seem out of step
Since that seems like his controlling manner
naive abyss
No it's ironically him trying to be subtle instead of shooting asmodae
floral herald
I don’t see it that way
I’m waiting for the codex to actually pass judgement but the wording of the adcopy online seems weird
bright dove
The Dark Angels are notorious for not complying with fuck all anybody.
wintry mist
Because "holy shit you're our god-father (not like the person chosen to take care of you but both god and dad)" overwrites basically anything but idk anything about the dangels
naive abyss
Literally the DA have a millenia of ingrained kill fallen no matter what cost
bright dove
Other chapters, Lords Solars, Imperial Governors, the Inquisition, the Ad Mech, other founding legions.
naive abyss
They've murdered so many imperials in the pursuit of that and to keep the secret
bright dove
Like, the list of people that the Dark Angels actively killed and buried consists of basically every social strata of the Imperium.
bright dove
And what keeps them safe is that nobody wants to force the issue.
naive abyss
Like if lion was upfront it would cause a civil war
bright dove
Like, the whole Fallen bit comes about because of how contrarian they are in the first place.
naive abyss
Like azrael saw what sorta looked like fallen with lion and had to suppress the urge to order an attack lol
floral herald
The Lion… has been upfront though
naive abyss
They're just there lol
bright dove
You don't get over millenia of "Fuck those guys" with one order, no matter who you are.
floral herald
You don't get over millenia of "Fuck those guys" with one order, no matter who y...
Do you think that is what I am saying
bright dove
No
What I do think that even if the Lion tells them directly and is super open.
There will be Dark Angels who will not obey, for whatever reason.
bright dove
Him being the Primarch did not stop it the first time.
past sphinx
the first time had less brainwashing
naive abyss
you dont really say no to the big OG
It happened in the HH
wintry mist
I was gonna say idk what the dangels think about the whole imperial cult thing
naive abyss
To multiple primarchs even
wintry mist
But most space marines view the primarchs as dieties or close to dieties
tepid stratus
Saul Tarvitz and Nathaniel Garro have entered chat
wintry mist
Theres one thing to say no to your commanding officer and lord
naive abyss
Yes and the second half of da religion is murder all fallen
wintry mist
Another thing to say no to literally your patron diety
past sphinx
The culture of the legions has changed rather significantly since the heresy as well
naive abyss
Hence schism not they all say no
floral herald
Lion's tack isn't really "the fallen are cool now" its "some of these space marines didn't fall" as well
bright dove
And he has to work against thousands of years of "THEY'RE THE FALLEN, KILL THEM"
floral herald
Which I'd say is a politicking thing but he came up with it before meeting the Unforgiven
naive abyss
I mean I don't think he's actively talked to a single unforgiven about the risen
bright dove
I can't imagine how you'd broach that conversation with someone like Azrael.
naive abyss
As I recall they just sorta appeared azrael realized they were helping the lion in the fight and that's basically it
And even then azrael had to suppress the urge to attack just on suspicion
past sphinx
Shit whats gonna happen with ol Cypher i wonder
naive abyss
Cuz he remembered he was on a daemon version of caliban that was exploding
naive abyss
Shit whats gonna happen with ol Cypher i wonder
That'll be fascinating cuz he likely has the lion sword
Also luther is doing something tm
past sphinx
he might want that back
floral herald
Yeah Fealty might be really important
ebon forge
Sorry the question but, what is Anver? I could find nothing on it.
It's a forgotten 40k term or something?
brittle salmon
The gang you were dealing with in Footfall before
floral herald
I don't know of it outside of Rogue Trader
thin ibex
i wonder how often lion has to tell azrael to sit the fuck down
dense sedge
Anvers don’t operate outside of foot fall so it makes sense
They’re the ones who ambushed you
naive abyss
Yeah Fealty might be really important
The book implies it is but it's kept super vague lol
Which is funny considering how explicit it is with the shield
quaint compass
They're rebooting it
naive abyss
Yo those scars swarms for tk fuck
wintry mist
They're rebooting it
I will hold my tongue on matters of AoS but I can see why
naive abyss
Ngl the new books look good but them being blue is throwing me off
I'm so use to red for fantasy rules lol
Also Ngl tk being the cover for "evil forces" bugs me
this model fucks though
wintry mist
But they r skeletons of course theyre evil
naive abyss
They actively aren't lol
Like some of them have dedicated their undead existence to fighting evil undead lol
wintry mist
Look they have skulls they have to be evil
naive abyss
I know you're taking the piss but I do have some genuine concern. Like this feels sorta weird considering some of the old lore for araby and etc
Like I get this is this way cuz settra is awake and invading to be clear
So I guess within the context of current events in this period of the setting it's ok. But I do have reservations lol
naive abyss
this model fucks though
I love this model though
Hope it's plastic
Also Ngl if they don't update settra it'll be funny in context lol
Cuz his title reader is gonna look fancier than him
This list is funny to me Ngl
Like again I know they're actively an antagonistic faction in this period
But seeing them lumped with like chaos warriors is still sorta funny
I guess it's kinda an interesting gradient of "evil tm"
Similar to how the good is more or less a gradient of "good tm"
junior robin
also like that they add Khemri at the end, so they wont be confused with any of the many other tomb kings littering the old world :v
naive abyss
Well they're all khemri
That's the not Egypt they're all from
Unless my memory is falling me
I think they just wanted it to parallel the "kingdom of brettonia"
Double checked and I misremembered
Nekehara is not Egypt lol
junior robin
wow, so they are named that so we wont confuse them with the other tomb kings.
I was also now reminded of that time they gave us a Barrow wight themed undead army in white dwarf
naive abyss
Big sadge at no khalida
naive abyss
Vibe
pine matrix
Chaos Dwarves confirmed at least for rules?
junior robin
yeah, without the chaos dwarfs there are only 6 missing factions so confirmed
really hope they re-releases the FW army
naive abyss
Mood
If only for that executioner bulltaur
So kroot and a mek of some kind
And Idk what the third silhouette is
junior robin
a custodes judging by the gun haleberd
naive abyss
Wait I think that's a power shovel though
Like I could be crazy but the blade looks like a shovel to me lol
junior robin
its a really broad spear (with that appears to be a combi melta on it.)
junior robin
I mean it could be if it also stole the greaves from a custodes and had a really tiny head : P
also feels like the kroot is not riding some sort of devolved kroot creature 
naive abyss
The head sells it being kroot I feel
naive abyss
I mean it could be if it also stole the greaves from a custodes and had a really...
Idk so little of it looks custodes to me
junior robin
really? because to me it's more or less the most custodiest silluette that have ever custoded 😐
naive abyss
Allot of custodes shape to me is the cone helmet
From another server
Also the hussar wing is very uncustodes to me
Honestly Im unsure what it is tbh
It has stuff that evokes Krieg
But it's so bulky to be a standard human
grand vigil
Does mechanicus dabble in alchemy or is that a genetors job?
junior robin
to me the only other things it could be is either a thunder warrior or alpharius judging by the helmet
naive abyss
New crusaders for sob?
Is like my only guess
That or something fully new
The only existing imperials I know of with hussar wings are da and krieg lol
junior robin
anyway, the kroot mount got barbels and antenna
junior robin
think its a big claw hand, thought it had a evil sun on its pole but its a buzzaw blade, though there is a 3 headed spanner so could finally be nurgle chaos orks : P
unreal cosmos
Custodes get called out by name on the article so that seems the most likely
I thought it looked lov as hell but I don't know Custodes signature stuff that well
unreal cosmos
I thought the hussar wing was one of the heir carynx things at first
naive abyss
I briefly thought that but it's too bulky for that I think
unreal cosmos
Looks a little Blanchian tbh
naive abyss
It's weird to me like cool but weird
Cuz it feels like three different factions mashed together to me
It's visually cool but I'm genuinely unsure what it is
Beyond probably imperial
unreal cosmos
Predictably i'm excited about the Kroot, the mount looks totally different from their usual thing which might annoy some people who really liked the motif of all their animals looking like them
unreal cosmos
We'll have to wait and see
naive abyss
At first glance I thought it was exoditelol
And got excited
Cuz the mount is shaped similar to cold ones
junior robin
mout looks more like a grox to me (armour plates on the back, snout instead of beak, no head quills)
junior robin
also the article hints that one of the advent calendar hints was in the video but I cant spot it
unreal cosmos
The shape keeps making me think of land crocodiles
Or all the weird dead-end reptiles from the Triassic and just before
junior robin
the barbels on the face makes me thing its a land sturgeon
naive abyss
My highlight for today is that settra herald atm Ngl
The long as fuck scroll is great
pulsar cairn
show me
naive abyss
this model fucks though
This
pulsar cairn
i like to think he can't read(no eyeballs) and just has the whole thing memorized
jaunty dawn
I think it's just like. a new custodes
so it's gonna have new design elements along with the old
cause not doing that is how you end up with fyreslayers xP
kroot doesn't have a cloak or a bow though and isn't a krootox so seems like a pretty sizeable range expansion
jaunty dawn
Hold on are they still making stuff for old world?
To be clear; "The Old World" is the name for the historical-er sub setting of warhammer fantasy focusing on the old world locale and the time period of the age of three emperors, which is where the reboot for warhammer fantasy battle is being set. The name within the whfb-aos cosmology for the planet of the whf setting is the World-That-Was.
as opposed to the new world which is places like lustria
in effect its basically the same as how horus heresy 2nd edition is a reboot of the 7th edition derived branch of 40k rules
naive abyss
To be clear; "The Old World" is the name for the historical-er sub setting of wa...
I mean it's not a sub setting it's just an earlier period in the same setting lol
Phone what the Hell lol
jaunty dawn
that's still a setting imo
like
narratively
but that's just being fine with being pretty liberal in calling things settings haha
like within the appropriate narrative two houses on the same street can be completely different settings
upper canopy
pulsar cairn
i like to think that's a black templar
pastel rampart
Chaos Dwarves confirmed at least for rules?
How dare you GW
desert jay
Speaking of dwarves, saw speculation that the silhouette with the crest is a Votann
naive abyss
I doubt it it's too spiky
And the helmet is not in line at all
Unless it's a fancy war cog bot
floral herald
also the article hints that one of the advent calendar hints was in the video bu...
There’s the mouth that looked kinda kroot-like
jaunty dawn
I think votann just reminded gw that back-crest-banners could be a thing
naive abyss
Lol yeah
naive abyss
It tbh looks like hussar wings
jaunty dawn
I think custodes having a like
jaunty dawn
references to terran cultures makes sense as a direction
thin ibex
im curious what their role will be, aside from bein a fast mover option
naive abyss
Melee cav is my guess
jaunty dawn
gnarloc didn't really. have a role tbh
thin ibex
id actually be surprised at cav snipers in a faction already saturated with shooters, though they do lack cheap access to precision i suppose
jaunty dawn
they were mdoerately better at melee than a kroot without a big turkey but
thin ibex
could see a move-shoot-move or a reactive move rule
jaunty dawn
kroot are shooty. is the thing
thin ibex
man my brain mashed reactive move tool and reactive move rule into rool
jaunty dawn
they're birds with rifles
they are better at melee than most rifle troops cause they get to do staff fighting
thin ibex
Well, they're a bit shooty, they have effectively bolters, but they are undeniably a melee oriented faction and especially comparatively to the tau
jaunty dawn
I am denying it
thin ibex
carnivores WANT to get into melee and successfully destroy a unit with a shaper
jaunty dawn
they've never been dedicated melee units
jaunty dawn
they have a melee aspect
definitely
but they are infilitrate-y skirmish-y sometimes-snipers
kroot hounds are melee by default but even they are screeners more than fighters
thin ibex
The primeval aggression of the Kroot make them effective shock troopers, though their savagery is viewed with distain from their Tau allies. However, the habits of the Kroot are still tolerated, so long as they don't eat fallen Tau warriors.
The primary weapon deployed by the Kroot is a rifle whose design is derived from the fighting staffs used by their ancestors. This weapon is fitted with blades on the stock and the end of the barrel, which the Kroot make deadly use of in close combat.
They're absolutely skirmishers, scouts, and ambushers, but they absolutely utilize their stealthy nature to close with the foe aggressively
jaunty dawn
there's a reason that like fire warriors and kroot are rarely viable at the same time
thin ibex
they build in close combat tools into their primary armament for the express purpose of application
jaunty dawn
yeah but there's a reason they have rifles that are servicable in close combat and not just close combat weapons.
pastel rampart
id actually be surprised at cav snipers in a faction already saturated with shoo...
It would be a callback to the ancient Kroot army list of 3e.
jaunty dawn
kroot are terrifying in close combat lore wise yes. that's a super important part of their identity yes. they are not dedicated melee guys
thin ibex
i think "having the means to engage at range" =/= "they are shooty" in the sense of suggesting they doctrinically orient themselves around the application of ranged firepower
thin ibex
in the way of hunters, not in the way of a army battle line
jaunty dawn
they're not orks
I mean yes??
Like yes they are hunter auxiliaries
like you can see it too in their kt faction design
thin ibex
i don't know how any of that suggests they doctrinally focus into being shooters rather than being ambushers who utilize both shooting and assault tactics
i also don't think that a faction that favors stalking their prey and the closing for a close quarters kill requires them to only have melee weaponry. People have no problem looking at space wolves as a melee faction despite their copious amount of attending firepower that comes with them
past sphinx
to get in close with the enemy before killing the enemy is a rather important part of successfully engauging the enemy
tired cairn
I thought the Kroot doctrine was to block enemy melee units so they buy another turn of T'au shooting
thin ibex
well, their table doctrine is to die bravely to buy time for tau guns lol
especially to bubble wrap your biggest railguns
floral herald
It was also to capture midfield objectives without giving up the Good Shooting but that’s less important now that Rapid Fire is more permissive
past sphinx
the tau shot the enemy and kroot held the line
because i aint fighting the dudes who are gonna eat me
thin ibex
though also, the shaper gives them a chance at glory and getting a FNP 5+ on a very cheap unit, if they happen to erase an opposing unit in the fight phase
jaunty dawn
it's like when compared to fire warriors and guardians and guardsmen
kroot are good at melee
when compared to orks and marines and that, they're adequate
so their melee power is entirely within the doctrine of being compared to other rifleman units
thin ibex
Insofar as 10th ed, they have better melee stats, fighting at a WS of 3 and shooting at a BS of 4, and their only phase oriented special rule has to do with the fight phase
floral herald
Last time I checked storm guardians were actually better at melee than kroot but that was a really long time ago
jaunty dawn
I mean shooty guardians
floral herald
Are storm guardians even a thing anymore?
jaunty dawn
ye
thin ibex
they are yeah
jaunty dawn
they got revived basically
thin ibex
they're not particularly meta, but i think they're still neat
jaunty dawn
got a cool shield isntead of a heavy weapon platform
thin ibex
i like the idea of piling them into wave serpents
jaunty dawn
I think also like the shaper thing is a lore ribbon that I believe in the past has been used to make them worse at combat
thin ibex
but yeah, kroot are also 55 points for 10, and 110 for 20, which is 20 wounds of units that fight at a 3+ in melee. It's not that they don't want to shoot and only want to melee, they want to shoot and then melee
jaunty dawn
because unlike other units they won't rout a fleeing enemy cause they're too busy eating
thin ibex
because at the moment of the kill they want to be able to eat their enemies fresh
with a shaper they can potentially even get a FNP 4+, which is surprisingly powerful, if it werent for the fact that they actually have to kill a unit
jaunty dawn
you also have to account for like, weapon skill means a different thing today than it used to
thin ibex
they're pretty good at killing other low tier infantry, especially opposing scouts like SM Scouts though, and can gobble up MSU cheap units if not accounted for
floral herald
Kroot were, IIRC, BS3 WS4 back in the day
jaunty dawn
they were only a 3+ in melee against people bad in melee when they were dsesigned
floral herald
(Shot like guardsman, fought like space marines)
jaunty dawn
it was more like 4+ shooting and then 4+ in melee when other people got a 5+
floral herald
It was more “didn’t give 3+ melee to MEQs”
jaunty dawn
yeah
floral herald
Though they’d literally eat WS3 units pretty well if you got them into melee
(Which was highly map dependent)
jaunty dawn
but its like tactical marines could too
and tactical marines are not assault marines is. basically my ultimate point haha
thin ibex
i mean, a lot of what the kroot are exists in a comparative state; so like in their union with the tau, they are shock troopers and melee specialists. On their own, they're light infantry with a specialty in scouting and stalking, who are versatile with their melee and shooting, rather than hard specialized into either; but are also generally inclined to finish wounded foes up close rather than shoot them to oblivion
floral herald
Yeah that sounds about right
jaunty dawn
i don't think kroot like. are such slaves to their hunger in a war situation where they make decisions based on the likelihood they eat I guess is my thing
floral herald
Though you have to be kind of sparing with their melee because it means you can’t shoot people
thin ibex
they're theming actually goes a lot in line with a singular aspect of the space wolves that often falls to the wayside (the hunter aspect)
I don't think its a slaves to hunger thing, I think its a thrill of the hunt and ownership of the kill kind of thing. Against a foe they're hunting, a lot of work goes into weakening them in order to make the final moment where the kill is called one of personal and kinband satisfaction
jaunty dawn
but it's also like they're an ancient ancient species that only go to war out of respect of their debt to the tau
they're not there for the satisfaction of the hunt they're there to protect their friends
thin ibex
well, they also frequently have smaller and larger mercenary bands, as warspheres abroad are accessible to bidders, and kinbands can be hired on their own
thin ibex
While the contract with the Tau is supposed to be an exclusive one, the Kroot regularly send out their Warspheres to continue their mercenary trade amongst the wider cosmos.
jaunty dawn
the mercenary work is like kill team level or slightly larger
because they in general are just like. over it
ofc mercenary work they are very much like
hunting
that's what you pay them for
thin ibex
I'm not trying to like be argumentative, but i haven't seen a lot to suggest that the kroot are somehow as a species avoidant or fatigued of war as a concept, and only commit their people to the tau as a debt settlement, where did you get that info?
The closest I've seen to suggest that is the idea that they might intentionally keep their tech level lower
thin ibex
but the suggestive cause for it was hazarded at the shapers on pech wanting to keep their species strong and not dependent on tech
tired cairn
Man, are kroot also antivaxxers
jaunty dawn
warspheres are one of the only remaining pieces of their ancient technology they keep
thin ibex
i think kroot vaccination would just be eating something that is immune
floral herald
Man, are kroot also antivaxxers
Not in the normal way
But they can literally regress into feral animals through bad diet
jaunty dawn
they had the big tech and empire and they gave it up
floral herald
Just IMAGINE the health food/diet supplements hawkers for them
desert jay
Kroot are actually vaxmaxxers so they can survive in hostile environments without protective gear
thin ibex
shapers are effectively clan dieticians because they have to stop the more spirited members of the clan from eating whatever teh fuck
since for them "you are what you eat" is so much more real
tired cairn
I guess they are more like RETVRN people who actually went through with it
floral herald
Darktide Ogryns 🤝 Kroot
Needing to be told hounds are not good to eat
tired cairn
lmao
thin ibex
man, kroot warsphere lore is all mixed uo
up*
A Warsphere is a Kroot space ship which serves as both a mobile town and a war vessel. They are the last vestige of the power and advancement of the Kroot prior to their move away from technology
The first Warspheres were created after the end of the first Kroot-Ork war, when an Ork asteroid fortress crashed on the Kroot homeworld of Pech. The Kroot were victorious. By eating the Ork's Meks, the Kroot were able to mimic the "technology" of building spaceships. The result was the Warspheres, which allowed the Kroot to go not only into space, but cross the warp. The Warspheres has been the race's primary void ships ever since.
tired cairn
Maybe the first Kroot-Ork war was a really, really long time ago
thin ibex
The old civ tech from before going low-tech comes from battlefleet gothic it looks like, but the eating ork meks thing comes from the Kill Team: Into the Dark
i remembered the the lore about them being old tech from pre-lo tech
supported the idea of kroot society deciding intentionally to abandon technology for the most part
though the suggested reasoning was for sustaining the genetic strength of the kroot
jaunty dawn
wtf new(ish) kroot lore
war spheres used to show up more on those ship size charts :(
trying to find one
desert jay
I just imagined Fabius Bile capturing some Kroot and feeding them weird diets to see what happens
thin ibex
like this one?
tired cairn
Oh, it was a long time ago that Kroot ate orks and then did a bunch of tech stuff
idk how I feel about that versus them advacning in a "normal" fashion and then giving up on it
thin ibex
well, as far as i can tell, the "they ate ork Meks and learned to make spaceships due to orkish genetic memory" is, relatively speaking, hella new lore
I'm not sure im a fan of it
I think the older "they used to have this tech and kept this specific ship to enable interstellar travel" is a bit more fun
tired cairn
The Lexicanum implies it is from a 2001 White Dwarf issue
thin ibex
Kroot warsphere page suggests source 4b, which is from the Kill Team: Into the Dark rulebook
floral herald
Stryxis are neat https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5c/Stryxis.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130329191252
thin ibex
on the origin of the warsphere being ork derived
tired cairn
Someone didn't update their Lexicanum page correctly then lol
What T'au artifact is that otter(?) holding?
desert jay
Or possibly there’s multiple sources for that fact
tired cairn
Fair
The "had tech and gave it up" and "tech was ork derived" are not mutually exclusive either
thin ibex
true, though in my mind it somewhat robs the kroot of their own developmental history to credit it to orkz a bit
floral herald
What T'au artifact is that otter(?) holding?
I think it’s a pulse carbine
thin ibex
Somewhat has a subtext of "they couldn't have come up with a space ship of their own, they needed ork DNA or help to do it" which I don't find super engaging
tired cairn
Yeah, same
thin ibex
whereas the idea that they did come up with their own space ships and then as a society elected to give up most of their tech suggests more societal sophistication that juxtaposes nicely against their apparent low-tech and "savagery"
thin ibex
i wonder if it would be cooler on the board to, isntead of getting a 5+fnp for eating folk
you could choose what they ate
to apply slight specializations to them
i guess you'd just end up with 1 "best" specialization
which would be less interesting
and would make a lot more text
tired cairn
If this was the 80s, you could have a really big chart that says which bonus you get based on what unit you ate
jaunty dawn
I can't remember if that's what their old army list did or if I'm thinking of an old fandex
it was kinda like csm marks
thin ibex
i think in 10th, you could probably just do like you ate some [Sustained Hits 1] dudes, or maybe you ate some [Lethal Hits] dudes, or heck maybe you ate some [FNP 5+] dudes, OR even maybe you ate some [Fly] dudes
tired cairn
Wrath and Glory has a (reasonable) sized chart for gaining bonuses based on eating thigns
tired cairn
i think in 10th, you could probably just do like you ate some [Sustained Hits 1]...
Kroot learn to fly after eating a jet pack unit
But that would be neat
thin ibex
lol
i do think they're not quite strong enough as a unit to warrant a list of possible gains from what they eat mid game, as cool as i think that would be
like 55 points for like effectively an extra bajillion lines of possible rules text would probably not make a lot of sense
"your bottom tier unit MIGHT end up slightly better"
pastel rampart
Kroot army list used to have various mutations you could add to units, but also had "stable" units like flying kroot to field.
tired cairn
It would work better if it was a seperate codex as an army rule, yeah
thin ibex
Kroot army list used to have various mutations you could add to units, but also ...
no shit? I have never seen those rules before, by the time i picked up my first dex, they were just a unit of carnivores (who notably had won a tourny battle by closing off the entire board making it impossible for hte opponent to deploy and automatically forfeiting the match)
pastel rampart
It was an army list in 3e, back when they'd put out a ton of "for fun" army lists in White Dwarf.
thin ibex
thats pretty neat tbh
pastel rampart
Stuff like that encouraged a lot of kitbashing and DIY stuff since they didn't usually make models for them.
thin ibex
if kroot were their own army, i could see them getting something like a "The Shaper's Decision" army rule that works a bit like the Nid invasion fleet detachment, where you can pick
i guess i could also potentially see a kroot/aux oriented detachment in the coming tau dex that had maybe a strategem about what they had for lunch
the one reason i hope for a Vespid KT is the idea that they'd get expanded unit options from it
though id almost want the kroot army rule to be like an ambush oriented rule
thin ibex
oh man, more than or roughly an entire page devoted to like seperate possible rules
I wonder of anghkhor prok is still around or if he's long dead
i imagine the tau don't freeze Kroot for long term leadership
pastel rampart
Note that there's no vehicles or monstrous creatures in the list. The FW giant krootox didn't exist yet.
Also double-checked and the same list was in Chapter Approved 2003, so it was put out either that year or 2002; it does not appear in the Chapter Approved 2001 book.
I don't think there was a CA 2002 book.
Ah nope, there wasn't.
thin ibex
on the note of a reimagined gnarloc riders unit, i don't know if i see them being kroot versions of attilan rough riders or squighog boyz, so i think ranged cav with a charge for mortal wounds or charge for bonus to wound might make sense
i do think kroot precision weapons on the tabletop should return, since shapers can't bring the sniper rifle still
and dayakh grek isn't around anymore
i wonder if the "aux oriented" detachment will be the Dal'yth themed detachment
while ive not got a lot to work with, i think ima do a heavily aux oriented tau list or two today
after all this kroot talk
jaunty dawn
thin ibex
Boom, actually super fast/easy to do
aun shi is a pretty cool leader ethereal tbh
and its kinda sick that he can lead kroot
im also suprised he's still alive
i guess they have been giving him the freeze treatment the other heroes of the empire have been given
dense sedge
And Idk what the third silhouette is
looks votan to me
wide wind
looks votan to me
It has a very custodes weapon and helmet shape imo
dense sedge
shame gsc won't get that levle of love, I'd love more units that represent different kinds of uprisings rather than just a mining planet
past sphinx
their a faction of Necromunda bits
jaunty dawn
we should get a combine harvester gsc vehicle
past sphinx
isnt that kinda the rockgrinder?
jaunty dawn
kinda but farming
dense sedge
more units for the 'cabal cult that runs the world' vibe would be cool, as well as some more hive wolrd looking guys
instead of just more mining suits
cloud flicker
cloud flicker
https://tenor.com/view/macross-anime-rocket-fly-fight-gif-16415673
What show might this be?
Oh macross
floral herald
soft willow
They were for a bit but stonks have cooled on them and guard.
thin ibex
ahhh kk
they seem fun all the same
im still split on getting my big brother either the GK KT or the Kasrkin KT
it does help that the grey knights arent perpetually sold out
soft willow
They still are they just aren’t bring max units of them now.
thin ibex
ohh i was talking KT my b
floral herald
im still split on getting my big brother either the GK KT or the Kasrkin KT
Get Kasrkin imo
soft willow
Ah! Yeah no idea about Kill Team.
thin ibex
He's a big fan of both the GK and Kasrkin, cause he likes the elite normal dudes vibes, but he also really likes the GK as his favorite version of space marines
soft willow
I really only have played Pioneers and Starstriders.
thin ibex
he has no real interest in playing the game, so meta and mechanics are gonna be second or third in priority to him
compared to vibes and aesthetic
i do think the kasrkins get more unique feeling models tho
which is a big bonus
whereas the GK are mostly just all the same, though with some elbow grease and effort you could mix things up with bits and posing
thin ibex
can I?
wintry mist
Shiiiit
wintry mist
Idk
But I googled it and I can buy it
Last I checked it was only ever in the set
Kasrkin vs like necrons or smtgn
proud wing
i'm really not a fan of the whole "generic military/fascism lovers" vibe of astra militarum
but kasrkin do have cooler outfits than most
wintry mist
I am infact a massive fan of it
thin ibex
awww man, id have to buy a bunch of new paints if i do pick them up, cause i imagine he'd want traditional kasrkin paint scheme
wintry mist
I love the tacticool kasrkin vibe...
thin ibex
There's a lot of charm, to me, in playing the generic normal dudes in a galaxy of superhuman monstrocities
floral herald
Kasrkin are fun
And really good now
Though I think they’re less running the meta and more got MORE reliable and already have a really favorable MU into space marines
thin ibex
iirc the classic paint scheme is the green with red jags all over right?
wintry mist
Ue
Ye
I want to do like snow kasrkin
Thatd go hard I think
Still waiting on the Tempestus Scion KT
thin ibex
yeah the thing that appeals to me about kasrkin is that they're weirdly beginner friendly, with a lot of reliability/dice fixing mechanic rather than something specifically deadly on its own
wintry mist
Oh thats cool
thin ibex
They get "Elite Points"
thin ibex
yeah thats definitely a bonus
wintry mist
Do kasrkin get more helmets than shown in the box art
thin ibex
and more distinct/unique models amongst the squad
wintry mist
I hate faces
wintry mist
I love that one dude with the cloth face mask
jaunty dawn
they have enough helmets for the squad yeah
wintry mist
That shit goes sooo hard
Halo Wars type beat
I wont lie the krieg vets do look cool
But its a matter of principle
thin ibex
tbh my big bro would prolly be happy to recieve the GK, Vets, Kasrkin, or Navy Breachers, but last we spoke he preferred between gk and kasrkin
that and i think kasrkin might be easier to play
even if he doesn't care too much
id at least bring my KT to face off with him casually
prolly use household items to make our board n stuff
i only lament that because i bought a bunch of silvers for my tau
i have pretty much all the colors i need for the GK xD
id have to buy more paints for the kasrkins, alas
wintry mist
I wont lie
Navy Breachers look ugly
Who is buying these over the other KTs except to kitbash
thin ibex
i like hte breachers BECAUSE they're ugly and scrungly and have shields
jaunty dawn
people with other opinions lol
thin ibex
they look like deep sea divers the assault team kinda
which i vibe with
i personally also want the kin salvage team one day
but im not rushing
wintry mist
they look like deep sea divers the assault team kinda
Yknow what thats convinced me I think
I didnt notice that they look like deep sea divers
Idk how
solemn gull
prolly use household items to make our board n stuff
That’s so nostalgic
I’ve wanted to make a board of wooden blocks and cardboard buildings for so long
Get the vibe of playing with toys as a kid
thin ibex
i always tell folk tha the bar is lower than they think it is
i get real pleased when I see shit like sprucrons lol
wintry mist
I went to my local GW and the ork player made killa kanz out of the plastic kinder egg shells
jaunty dawn
how else do you make killa kanz
thin ibex
i kinda like the idea of making killa kans out of literal mini soda cans
ive not the skill or courage to do fully self made or even strongly kitbashed stuff
but maybe in the future
cause its super cool
solemn gull
I kitbash everything
It’s a mark of pride that all my models are unlike any other ones
thin ibex
tbh, im a baby hobbyist, and its a mark of pride that i just finish a model and paint it
solemn gull
thin ibex
it doesn't even have to be painted well
solemn gull
Also the power poses you can make
thin ibex
thats not to say that i don't want to paint them well, but pushing past perfectionism and having actually finished stuff, imperfect or whatever, is a big deal
(to me)
thin ibex
I struggle to finish my models, as way of explanation
solemn gull
I want an old noise marine
Hell yeah
solemn gull
I got a old Rogue Trader era plague marine
jaunty dawn
finished is best :)
wintry mist
The old school noise marines are awesome and have guitars
solemn gull
He is now part of my necromunda gang as a re-purposed void suit
wintry mist
This is objectively the best warhammer model
wintry mist
I like that
solemn gull
Had to put him on a tactical rock to make him as tall
jaunty dawn
This is objectively the best warhammer model
this is literally the newest noise marine model lol
wintry mist
Nah its
There are also the other noise marines
Who are just marines with the sound guns
past sphinx
old noise marines are one of the worst kits ive ever built
jaunty dawn
it's a remake of the original but it came out at the same time as the lord discordant
thin ibex
I find the old metal brick ghaz to be quite funny
wintry mist
Yea
thin ibex
He so square
past sphinx
solemn gull
Who are just marines with the sound guns
Thats just a upgrade sprew
jaunty dawn
past sphinx
though this is perfection
jaunty dawn
ones like these are almost as old
wintry mist
I know it itself is new (I would literally die of starvation if I bought an old one)
jaunty dawn
it's not a time thing
wintry mist
Thats just a upgrade sprew
Ye
thin ibex
Is the whammy bar the trigger for the bolter?
jaunty dawn
ye
thin ibex
Sick
jaunty dawn
noise marines are worried if they stop singing that slaanesh will stop existing
which I can only assume is a funny prank slaanesh played on them
brittle salmon
Though I think they’re less running the meta and more got MORE reliable and alre...
Wait really? Why the favourable MU?
brittle salmon
Hot damn
floral herald
Yeah their gunners are separate so you can run plasma (AP2), Melta (AP2), krak grenades (AP1), and the Hotshot volley gun (P1) at once
So not AP2 but a LOT of AP
bright dove
Sounds about right.
thin ibex
i forget do the kasrkins come with anny assault specialists or are they solidly in the realm of a shooting kill team
jaunty dawn
they're not very specialist orientated in general
but get 4 gunners
but apart from sgt they all have the same gun butt profile
or can buy knives
oh and a tac op for combat
thin ibex
they sound surprisingly similar to pathfinders, minue the elite points of course
floral herald
i forget do the kasrkins come with anny assault specialists or are they solidly ...
Pretty much pure shooters
pulsar cairn
karskins are kind of like cadian stormtroopers right?
upper canopy
Yeah
pulsar cairn
i like em
upper canopy
This was back when "Stormtroopers" just meant "Really good Guardsmen"
pulsar cairn
heard the have some beef with tempestus scions too 
nothing too serious just something like "ya needed some fancy ass school to get to my lvl nerd!"
pulsar cairn
thought they were mostly veterans
jaunty dawn
they are veterans
pulsar cairn
i only know about em cause of Baldemort's guide to warhammer
upper canopy
Kasrkin are usually handpicked from a young age
pulsar cairn
.w. me knowledge is limited to that video
jaunty dawn
oh it's kinda both
headhunted from a young age but then have to become veterans the regular way
but they still then go into fancy training process
on top of all of cadia being not unlike a tempestus school to begin with
(past tense)
past sphinx
Karskin, Hazard and stormtrooper are all kinda different things
its uh
not well defined
jaunty dawn
hazard?
past sphinx
Hazardous enviroment troopers, like mini karskin
jaunty dawn
oh
past sphinx
Stormtroopers are just Inquisition troopers that didnt make the cut
damn fine fucking soldiers but not to the triple S rank it takes to stab a daemon host in the face
not that they know of course
jaunty dawn
it's pretty defined nowadays
floral herald
Stormtroopers are Tempestus now
jaunty dawn
it's also kinda a umbrella term like you can say kasrkin are cadian stormtroopers or grenadiers are dok stromtroopers
past sphinx
Stormtroopers are Tempestus now
really? man i gotta start reading books again
cain books are fucking old
past sphinx
interesting, i wonder if the inquisition just takes the top 1% of those boys
kinda liked the Scions being their own ordeal but i get it
solemn gull
Probably depends from inquisitor to inquisitor
But inq kill teams are usually small groups of scions
past sphinx
These were kinda a small armed force IIRC not specifically tied to one guy but to the command structor
When karamazov needs 200 guys to kick heads in and raider a city he cant rely on some pretty good dudes
mans got a pimp throne, needs the best
solemn gull
I thought a cabal usually had a few killteams they tossed around to each other
bright dove
Inquisitors collect blorbos.
solemn gull
The insider trading market for killteams goes crazy
solemn gull
Inquisitors collect blorbos.
Fr fr
I love inquisitors for that
Dark heresy so good
past sphinx
I thought a cabal usually had a few killteams they tossed around to each other
probably but sometimes you need 200 dudes
solemn gull
probably but sometimes you need 200 dudes
Then you ask them to borrow all the killteams
Or just steal some guard/pdf
“I’m commandeering this regiment”
Holds up rosette
past sphinx
3rd edition inquistion storm trooper sargent
solemn gull
Looks like a badass
Radical
Mourning the death of Kt 1e
It was so good for narrative gaming
brittle salmon
Horribly, horribly balanced though
bitter mortar
hows current edition for balance?
of the main tabletop, that is
I haven't played since 9th
solemn gull
Horribly, horribly balanced though
It was so freeform tho
Now I use homebrew necromunda
Its hard statting some 40k stuff into it though
past sphinx
i just adore the helmets
i love scions but these dudes have such a different and specific vibe
im really glad i still have these
Them and Karamazov did some fuckin work int he day
solemn gull
I picked up a pack of metal ratlings and am painting them up as gifts to my gaming friends. It’s also helpful to keep a few randos around in case someone wants to join a necromunda match
Giving them a lone character to control is a great way to learn the game
past sphinx
Very 80s SAS
a very strange "professional soldier" vibe in em i cant quite quantify in them goofy old boys
past sphinx
Giving them a lone character to control is a great way to learn the game
somebody get that man some proper stew all the corpse starch is turnin him grey!
i like em
solemn gull
I hate how I painted the skin all blotchy
past sphinx
i think it works
pastel rampart
I think if you highlight a few parts it'll work out fine.
past sphinx
pick out a bit of the nose, lip and chin and itll clean up nice enough
pastel rampart
Yeah
proud wing
took a look at the new Eldar kill team. it's not nearly as complicated as i expected from the "three different subfactions that all have their own mechanics" concept.
it's a nitpick, but Scorpions being nerfed to a 4+ save after always having a 3+ save since the dawn of time is weird
brittle salmon
For Kill Team?
dense sedge
that's clearly the aesthetic that r6 took, it's a good one to be fair
floral herald
Yeah for sure
floral herald
it's a nitpick, but Scorpions being nerfed to a 4+ save after always having a 3+...
Yeah it feels a little weird in KT but it’d mess up the internal balance pretty badly
proud wing
i mean, it doesn't mess up the balance for nearly every other model in the game to have the same saves as tabletop 🤷♀️
floral herald
Yeah and BoK is a free choose from 3 40K units, so if one of them has a better save it makes it pretty hard to justify taking the others
You could make the scorps hit like wet noodles but that’s not very satisfying either
It was bugging me too haha
floral herald
Honestly probably the most
white mural
Like she has high heeled boots, is covered in jewelry, and a weirdly shapely butt
Did GW mean to make this character a baddie?
I know I sound insane with that last part but I’m speaking the truth
white mural
And of all factions genestealer cult?
It makes sense to me cause they are the punk faction for 40K but that’s like my take
Thanks for coming to my Jackie talk
floral herald
And GSC are one of the only factions which know what sex is
white mural
The rest of the faction is like kinda fucked up looking mutants
TRUE
GSC needs more baddies honestly
floral herald
Oh, not GSC but another rare 40K model which serves
white mural
Id simp so hard
uneven ember
And GSC are one of the only factions which know what sex is
I feel like the GSC make for a fairly solid recruitment pitch.
Even the "everyone gets eaten by space-bugs" is... I mean it's a drawback, for sure, but that's really what you'd call long-term.
white mural
I’m using the Magus model as my proxy for my goblin frame untill I can get one 3D printed
white mural
I feel like the GSC make for a fairly solid recruitment pitch.
Even the "everyon...
Especially considering it’s basically an allegory for real life cults and the rapture. (Or heavens gate shit)
floral herald
I feel like the GSC make for a fairly solid recruitment pitch.
Even the "everyon...
Yeah Tyranids take long enough to show up that it can be a good pitch for like a century or more
white mural
Allusion not allegory
floral herald
And given the way a lot of imperial worlds are an unending nightmare of endless labor to sustain a murderous headless dying empire
Getting eaten by bugs at the end, how bad is it anyway?
white mural
Compared to everything else going on? Yeah joining the cult doesn’t seem so bad
except all the weird cult shit they do in lore
I like them more for the labour union angle
My Grampa was a teamster, Ny great grampa was a wobbly, my great great grampa was a peasant farmer
I’ve been to labour strikes
The aesthetic is great for an army
solemn gull
I’m meaning to pick up a hybrid pack to show some of my various necromundan groups catching the bug (I am a master of puns)
white mural
Ooooo
glossy vapor
non-infected munitorium workers joining the cult willingly knowing what their getting into: "i dont care if the nids win, i just need the goverment to loose"
crisp lance
cinder wraith
goop?
runic swallow
Health (“health” lot off woo woo stuff) brand run by Gwyneth Paltrow
cinder wraith
??
wintry mist
Its a brand run by gwyneth paltrow that specializes in alternative medicine
cinder wraith
o
mental birch
'Medicine'
mental birch
Its a brand run by gwyneth paltrow that specializes in alternative medicine
You mean Exploding candles
wintry mist
Pretty much yeah
pulsar cairn
have the emperor's Childred been doing a whole lot in lore?
or are they saving it up for when they bring out Fulgrim
mental birch
Give us plastic fulgrim as a giant fucked up sexy snake person
jaunty dawn
plastic fulgrim should have human legs and snake arms
junior robin
solemn gull
<:vicksyAww:1180132353285312562> have the emperor's Childred been doing a whole...
Cloning primarchs is the big thing I can think of
pulsar cairn
who's that again?
junior robin
Cloning primarchs is the big thing I can think of
quick look at lexikanum say they have been reuniting under Lord Commander Primus Eidolon
forming the phoenix conclave
solemn gull
who's that again?
I forget his name but he is like the Rick Sanchez of 40k
pulsar cairn
oh you mean Bile
solemn gull
Yeah
junior robin
also all I could make out from the AoS 2024 teaser is a new ghost
pulsar cairn
forming the phoenix conclave
they might be planning something big for them
solemn gull
I just assume the writers forgot about them
thin ibex
i think im gonna try to finish assembling my currrent army in January
solemn gull
Hell yeah
thin ibex
and maybe also finish basecoating it all
solemn gull
What is your army again?
junior robin
I just assume the writers forgot about them
just like they forgot the fallen forming a legion under Luther
thin ibex
I have old space wolves from like 6th edition or something but while i have a fair amount of points, it is not a balanced army and has 0 vehicles
solemn gull
I thought I picked up the 9th codex like a month ago…
pulsar cairn
just like they forgot the fallen forming a legion under Luther <:sadcowboy:57282...
thought they left that as a "rumor"
so they fould retcon it anytime they felt like
solemn gull
What else is new with them?
thin ibex
The Lion recently returned near the end of the Arks of Omen narrative saga
pulsar cairn
uuuh they got like 3 books i think it was pretty big
thin ibex
He had a face off against Angron, and was getting beaten till he went full monster hunter mode
thin ibex
he did also get help, iirc, from dante for a bit, but dante was no match for angron