Warhammer and Such

[floral herald]

I think overall it’s because there’s now too much setting for someone to reasonably be expected to have consumed all of it

Like idk, if you’re a Harry Potter fan you’ve probably read all 7 books

There’s like 70 odd Horus heresy books and they’re a prequel

[ebon forge]

That as well, too little time for too many books

[floral herald]

Toss in the campaign books, about 10 dozen cumulative codexes

And the actual 40k black library stuff and there’s no like “you have to have read this to get the setting” stuff really

Except

15 Hours probably that’s pretty core imo

[tired cairn]

15 hours?

[ebon forge]

Hell, I have liked 40k for, what, 5~6 years? And I only found out about the tabletop game after 1~2 years -runs

[thin ibex]

its a short novel about the average lifespan of an imperial guardsmen from the moment they enter an active conflict zone

[ebon forge]

Before that I though it was mostly novels with some 'cool expensive figures'

[thin ibex]

honestly i was into the lore for way longer than the hobby

because its significantly cheaper

to be into the lore

[floral herald]

One of the older novels about a conscripted guardsman fighting orks

[ebon forge]

I heard is pretty good

[floral herald]

It’s basically the best primer on how the Imperium Is imo

[desert jay]

63 mainline books (plus 1 unreleased) and >20 side books

[ebon forge]

Does it hold up nowadays?

[floral herald]

I’m haven’t read it in a few years but probably

[thin ibex]

it short

if that helps

[ebon forge]

It's perfect for my ADHD then!

Like,
Hammer of Olympia was a perfect length for me

[thin ibex]

here's an excerpt https://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/1-9/15-hours.pdf

[ebon forge]

'‘Oh no, sergeant,’ Leden replied mildly, apparently unaware
that with every word he was digging a deeper hole for himself'

He's literally me

yeah I think I will put it after I am done or give up on the Nightlords omnibus, thank ya!

[solemn gull]

Those books were great

[thin ibex]

Cadian gun line

strong emphasis on volume of fire

we do not need to defeat my foes, simply bury them in ammunition

[ebon forge]

Rate of Fire: Yes

Honestly the best part of the Night Lords book atm is Eurydice and Septimus
It's cute , him trying to cope and seeing the better of being a wagy slave into being a literal slave of a murder hobos party

Oh my god Nostramus is just french

[spice flicker]

So in rogue trader: heavy bolter vs heavy stubber?

[thin ibex]

my vote is heavy stubber

because it is unloved

[spice flicker]

It's essentially a portable M2 Browning

Is it not?

[ebon forge]

I have yet to see a heavy weapons build that pleases me.
Sniper builds are just too good

And Pascal Plasma is king

[spice flicker]

38000 years in the future and Browning still is one of the kings of machine guns.

[ebon forge]

M1919?

Now you made me want a build with heavy rate of fire that is good XD

[thin ibex]

this is for rogue trader right?

i have no idea what id build in that game yet lol

i have a penchant for wanting to play a space scoundrel gunslinger tho if that's an option

[ebon forge]

Yiss

[spice flicker]

There is a way to dual wield pistols and melee weapons but it comes at a decent penalty early on.

[thin ibex]

honestly id prolly still do it

unless its a REAL BAD penalty

[spice flicker]

Burst fire is some of the best damage from what I have seen.

-20 on the attack roll for the other weapon. Most start out at 30-40 BS/WS

[ebon forge]

You will gain a follower that comes with great Dual Pistol perks

[spice flicker]

Las weapons are surprisingly reliable since they reduce enemy dodge chance.

Decent damage too

The best weapon for an officer build though will always be your allies since you can just give someone an extra turn of shooting+other benefits.

[ebon forge]

Yeah is absolutely crazy

I love the officer, even when I do my heretic run i find hard pressed to NOT be an officer, even if I go full Psyker and only use 'bring it down!' as the Officer skill

[spice flicker]

One of the deadliest weapons for a Rogue trader officer: the power of friendship (or friends with scary weapons)

[ebon forge]

Or how the game calls it
Fellowship

[spice flicker]

Indeed

[thin ibex]

if you have Lethal Hits and Sustained hits on the same weapon, does a 6 to hit mean 1 hit automatically wounds, and the extra hit has to roll to wound?

or does that mean both hits automatically wound?

[upper canopy]

https://i.imgur.com/EVlRwSR.png

[thin ibex]

ah ok, so the former, thank you

[ebon forge]

Septimus having a badass moment was a surprise
but an welcoming one

[past sphinx]

Can't get a good picture out of this phone to save my fucking life but I'm missing all but one missionary now

[ebon forge]

nice~!

[past sphinx]

non terrible picture

[proud wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226071345514020864/1186877501021114449/GBv51iWWEAAR2BP.png?ex=6594d8cf&is=658263cf&hm=726d3d5510a1a3bd8ceca886a687c7e3a9a74b64e4acacb0a776fcd793d40620&

[unreal cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheGraffitiSoul/status/1737689929445195781/photo/1 @naive abyss

[past sphinx]

im not sure if i hate that or not

its very votann though they nailed the look

i just dont think another high tech looking white armor bipedal warsuit would fill my heart

[naive abyss]

I dig it

[spice flicker]

Worth keeping everything as msu or swapping a few units around to be 10 man squads?

[uneven ember]

Saw this on Twitter. Someone in the comments was posting images of Kronar, Son of Man.

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Zamkvx

[past sphinx]

i do like how it seems WHF dwarfs seem to keep their hair with impressive hygiene

they are many things but i dont think i could describe them as unkempt

[thin ibex]

personally i think msu's give you more flexibility and make targeting more taxing on your enemy

but do weaken buffs

[naive abyss]

im just super fond of a depiction of what a slayer becoming a slayer looks like ngl

[floral herald]

In this case I think MSU is better because more Nartheciums

[naive abyss]

cuz its a thing we dont know much about beyond very broad strokes

and theyre like one of my fave fantasy things lol

[proud wing]

wait t'au only discovered fire 3,000 years ago?

damn

they're already making gundams and humans have just been durdling around with endless space marine variations for hundreds of centuries

[dense sedge]

The benefits of galactic trade

[naive abyss]

kin be like

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-27551232

[dense sedge]

The imperium refuses to advance and treats attempts to do so as heresy, so yeah

Are there any good books about drukhari? Particularly haemonculi covens

[proud wing]

i've heard the tau summarized as "the one group in 40k that had the insane idea to treat every other lifeform in the galaxy as potential allies instead of enemies"

[naive abyss]

ehhh

eldar in theory, kin sorta now, and theres various xenos minoris

[past sphinx]

Rather interesting i did read a very good explanation of the admechs ideas around invention in Kingmaker i believe

[proud wing]

haven't read it myself, but i've heard this trilogy is the definitive drukhari reading
https://www.goodreads.com/series/114353-path-of-the-dark-eldar

[dense sedge]

Believing in diplomacy has been a massive boost to the Tau

[past sphinx]

All technology exists already, made by god. All knowledge exists perfectly in the universe to be discovered

To invent, to create is to try to be god

or to think yourself a god

witch is one of the better ways ive heard it explained

[bright dove]

The one I've read that incidentally covers it is Warrior Coven, which has Eldrad call in a favor from the Ordo Xenos. It's Deathwatch vs. Drukhari basically

Specifically, it's one of the only canon times Lelith Hesperax gets hit

[thin ibex]

I wouldn't attribute tau advancement purely to trade, they advanced incredibly quickly on their own merit, both technologically and socially

[runic swallow]

Unacceptable, automaticity lies due to this

[ebon forge]

Wanted to ask, is 'Da Gobbo's Revenge' and 'Warboss' good?
I know Brutal Kunnin is PEAK Ork, the first audiobook I grabbed and finished, so i wanted to know if the others of Mike are good too :3

[solemn gull]

Da red gobbo is probably my second favourite 40k character of all time

[ebon forge]

He basically started the Gobbo revolution right?

There is so much shit to read, fuck

[solemn gull]

A.) He is from the best 40k game without question, gorkamorka

B.) tearing down the class system of ork society

[ebon forge]

https://tesera.ru/images/items/1242983/m1340010_GorkaMorka_-_Da_Roolz.pdf this one?

Also hell yeah, tear down the class system

[solemn gull]

Yep

[ebon forge]

Make Mek boy, warboss, grot AND squig drink in teh same table

[solemn gull]

Grots were not allowed to hold tickets for gorkamorka

So the red gobbo has been sabotaging the ship until they let grots on

[ebon forge]

.

T-
THAT
THAT WAS THE SPARK?!

Because the Grots could not watch the Wacky Racers: Ork Edition?!

[solemn gull]

Nope

Their space hulk smashed into a mechanicus ship and left them on a dead world

They are rebuilding it to get back to the wagh but because ork populations steadily grow due to violence they soon began to outgrow the carrying capacity of the rebuilt hulk

So they instituted a ticket system where if you gave scrap to mekboys working on the hulk then you got tickets

Orks with the most tickets get on the hulk when it launches

Grots however were excluded because the orks hate them

Fun fact this is also the first time necrons are found in the lore, the mechanicus vessel was investigating a tomb world!

[ebon forge]

holyshit

[solemn gull]

Gorkamorka gets snubbed so often, it’s the middle child between mordheim and necromunda

[ebon forge]

So Gorkamorka is a place, an event ?

[solemn gull]

There are rules for getting your brain replaced with a squig brain

[solemn gull]

Its the name of the rebuilt hulk, nobody could agree if the ship was being built in the image of gork or mork so in order to not have a war between gorkers and morkers they decided it was gork and mork

Gorkamorka

[ebon forge]

Interesting name, reminds me of the eventual fusion of both gods in AoS

but thanks, that reminded me a bit why i like the Orks, should prooobably read that after...
Storm of Iron
After
the Night lords omnibus

[pulsar cairn]

what's te santa grott called?

just santa grott?

[upper canopy]

Da Red Gobbo

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/01/da-red-gobbo-is-here-to-lead-da-christmas-revolushun-with-an-exclusive-new-miniature/

He's Communist

[ebon forge]

I love it

[pulsar cairn]

i thought the red gobbo was a different special grott

[unreal cosmos]

he's rebranded

[upper canopy]

It's the same guy

he's just a christmas version

[mental birch]

Grot Revolutionary Commitee

Still trying to figure out how to pull off thst list

[ebon forge]

Genestealer cult rules, Grot models /n

[bright dove]

It's ||A single scratch on her cheek from an Avatar of Khaine||

[ebon forge]

Rogue Trader cRPG
Spoilers: ||Act 3 is in a Drukhari city called Commongrath||

[dense sedge]

I just finished that yesterday lol

[pulsar cairn]

||drukhari are a buncha nerds||

[dense sedge]

Part of what got me interested in seeing more

Hah, that’s just the haemonculi

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/OwlcatGames/status/1738212667960004616

[dense sedge]

Lilith vs drazhar, who wins?

[pulsar cairn]

med

me

i always win

[floral herald]

I'd bet Lilith

[bright dove]

Hesperax has been canonically hit once in my knowledge.

In that book I referenced yesterday, she considers a full squad of Deathwatch Marines with two psykers a fun diversion.

And proceeds to casually dismantle the entire squad nonlethally by stabbing their nerve clusters to induce paralysis.

It's a full on, like, 10 on 1 fight with Space Marines in full movie marine mode.

Mind you, Drazhar is also a monster.

[thin ibex]

i think lilith is actually the best duelist in the entire setting

[pulsar cairn]

what kind of deck does she have?

[thin ibex]

iirc she plays a stax deck and laughs as her opponent is powerless to stop her

[junior robin]

daemon engine?!

[pulsar cairn]

dog

wait we already have a dog daemon engine

both dog and spider and...flying thingy

unless the drake ain't a chaos engine

[ebon forge]

Dog 2

[pulsar cairn]

[past sphinx]

New decimator hopefully

[junior robin]

sadly does not match up with that monowheel daemon engine they had in a pdf

[unreal cosmos]

fuck that looks good

[junior robin]

I guess GW just doesn't want my money

[floral herald]

I hope that thing gets a model eventually

[solemn gull]

Clearly it’s lucius

[floral herald]

Lucius is really funny to me

Slaanesh got his ass GOOD

[pulsar cairn]

it has a fun hat

[solemn gull]

Lucius’s predicament honestly reminds me of greek mythology with how poetic it is

Doomed to an eternity of never being able to have a rematch or truly become a better duelist

Also he should totally already be ultradead from a ship explosion or getting killed by a tyranid

I’m sure they are saving his eventual final death for some big moment

[floral herald]

It's also that he's extremely prideful and wears the faces of everyone who bested him forever

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/dj_b3n1/status/1737920155974259034?s=20

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/Gij_Arentz/status/1737944226401554917?s=20

[upper canopy]

She's up there, but I don't think she has an uncontested claim.

[proud wing]

tyranids are a thing in Warhammer fantasy??

[upper canopy]

I think if there's a character that could style on a Primarch it'd be her though.

[junior robin]

what confuses me is why skaven is on here since the inclusion of zoats means its from a old book where the slann = old ones ? 🤔

[upper canopy]

Rogue Trader was a wild west

[junior robin]

still waiting for my copy of the reprint

at least I think I do since all pending orders on the site got wiped after a certain date and wont show up untill delivered

[upper canopy]

Wait what the fuck

Were she to return Lucius to the Dark City and strip him of his Slaanesh-cursed armour, she could face him one-on-one in the Crucibael in what would be the greatest duel Commorragh has ever seen. ```

When the fuck was this canon

Lelith is 200% a better duelist

[proud wing]

it would be the greatest duel because Commorragh could all see Lucius get fuckin curbstomped

[junior robin]

tried to look it up but wasnt really clear if he only gets back if he is wearing his armour upon death 🤔

wonder what would happen if a eldar put it on...

[floral herald]

tbf "clown on this Slaanesh MFer" is gonna be extremely popular in the dark city even if its an overmatch

[junior robin]

now I cant stop imagining the scene from naruto where rock lee removes the leg weights but its lucius and his armour.

ngl, would love to see Eidolon be promoted as the "named character" for the EC when they get a codex.

[brittle salmon]

I hate Lucius so much

Give EC a better primary character

It's what they deserve

[bright dove]

Always worth mentioning that Lelith doesn't use any combat drugs or enhancements

[pastel rampart]

Look as an EC fan, they don't deserve better.

They deserve the worst, actually.

[bright dove]

She's just that good

[desert jay]

There’s sorta Fabius when he’s not doing his own thing

[junior robin]

to bad trazyn took him away, would love to have "fulgrim" and "clone of Fulgrim" as the 2 named characters for EC

[upper canopy]

Where's that meme

[past sphinx]

Old terminator art fucks pretty hard

[upper canopy]

The fucking meme of

"Is Lucius the best duelist in the Legions?"

"Lucius isn't even the best duelist in the Emperor's Children."

[pulsar cairn]

it's easy to be the best duelist when u can't die

he looses all the time

[runic swallow]

Yeah that’s the thing, how’s he the best duelist when he keeps dying?

He’s only “the best” because he gets cheat codes to come back and fight again

Normally he’d just be some guy who was pretty good and then he died

[dense sedge]

Black dragons are cool

[tired cairn]

If he dies enough time to the best duelists, eventually he'll be the best duelist

[proud wing]

yeah they're my favorite independent chapter

[dense sedge]

Hesperax would probably just cut off all his limbs and leave him screaming for someone to kill him so he can escape

[proud wing]

so are the original chapters (space wolves, imperial fists, etc.) really relevant anymore

now that it's all been split up into a thousand tiny chapters

[brittle salmon]

Very much so - first founding chapters command huge swathes of resources, have significant privilege, and command serious respect

On top of that, not all of them follow the Codex Astartes anyway

[past sphinx]

And many first founding chapters have the later foundings on a leash

Every dark angel chapter comes when heeded

[brittle salmon]

The Space Wolves definitely number more than 1000, the Blood Angels had enough sway to call back almost all of their successors back during the Desolation of Baal, and while it remains to be seen how this changes with the Lion's return, the Dark Angels basically never stopped being a legion

All of their Successors are still part of the Unforgiven

[proud wing]

i guess "relevant" isn't a very useful descriptor anyway

[past sphinx]

Even thr flesh tearers turned up for baal lmao

[proud wing]

since there are literally 30,000,000 human soldiers in the imperium for every space marine

[past sphinx]

And 1% of the US military Is a green beret

Marines are shock troops not line troops

Even in the crusade they where shock troops supplemented by auxillia

Just happened that the shock was getting 200 drop pods launched into your house

[jaunty dawn]

the imperial fists have their last wall doctrine

and also after the war of the beast were completely reconstituted from successor chapters

cause they allll dieeed

the ultramarines have a gulliman and make up like. 50% ish of chapters I think?

the shattered legions aren't particularly relevant

(salamanders, raven guard, iron hands)

but they're still like hugely prestigious

[bright dove]

Salamanders kind of reduce their own numbers regularly

[unreal cosmos]

https://tortuga-gamestable.top/image/cache/catalog/1. Tyrant War/1. Galaxy Orders/Galaxy Sharks/SHC001/SHC001-0-1300x1300.jpg

[junior robin]

went to see if it comes with a helmet (it does) and stumbled upon this version from major minis

also really annoying that like 2 out of 5 times I try to visit the ONLINE store its a que

[pulsar cairn]

shark man

[uneven ember]

An
Gry
Shark do do do do do do

[grand vigil]

https://fxtwitter.com/JoyToyWarhammer/status/1738376106309279947?t=N_oq0py-3nmE-XHbey0hbA&s=19

Damn that's really big

Still cheaper than actual models tho?

Hm if we compare the size to AdMech, sm, a kastelan is prolly on its knee size

[pastel rampart]

I believe that puts it at the size of a FW titan.

[grand vigil]

Wonder which one is more expensive then, this or a fw titan

Also what size is this in lancer terms? 1 or 2?

[brittle salmon]

Knights are around Size 3

[past sphinx]

fw titan

[pastel rampart]

FW by a country mile.

[grand vigil]

What makes fw models so expensive anyway? Is it more detailed or?

[pastel rampart]

Because they can, more or less.

FW tries to sell itself as this boutique line of GW models, and at a certain point they were.

http://puu.sh/JXiAi/668f6d901a.jpg

[proud wing]

that's

that's

[pastel rampart]

Also yeah look, that's just for the body. The weapons, arms, and heard are separate purchases.

[proud wing]

that's not real

[pastel rampart]

It's quite real.

[proud wing]

i disagree

[pastel rampart]

Now, Joytoy ain't cheap or anything but they're considerably more affordable. Relatively, anyway.

http://puu.sh/JXiAK/f0e68c2ce2.jpg

[past sphinx]

Reminds me I need to finish my warhound

[pastel rampart]

Robby G is 7" tall, mind.

Standard GW Knight Titan? $170, around the same height.

[proud wing]

are the primarchs 30 feet tall??

or are they just that big because why not

[pastel rampart]

Big because why not.

Normal joytoy marine is around 4" tall, by comparison.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-_f7RIaTAjk/maxresdefault.jpg

...and I think this puts the joytoy knight close to the same height as the FW warlord.

[uneven ember]

In their kinda-defense, supposedly they did 40K-scale Titans more or less as a novelty
And then wound up immediately selling out at the convention they premiered

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, 40k titans have always been a novelty because an extremely small section of the fanbase will buy these and they'll practically never see play.

And hm, eyeballing it I'm betting the joytoy knight is between 12" and 15" tall. Which actually puts it at Reaver Titan height.

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/99560108140_MarsPatternWarlordTitanBody15a.jpg

[brittle salmon]

They're functionally collector's pieces

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

Like you'd be more likely to see a warhound titan being put out in an apocalypse game than a reaver or warlord.

[brittle salmon]

And like, they are incredibly detailed and look amazing fully done up

[pastel rampart]

And even then...

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, but only after spending countless hours reshaping the resin and filling in gaps because FW quality control is spotty at best.

[uneven ember]

And even then, I feel like Apocalypse games were never as much of a thing as GW seemed to imagine they would be when they were rolled out.

[bright dove]

Apocalypse games are A). Long as hell

And B). Expensive

[uneven ember]

I played a couple and honestly even the format seemed more like a novelty than anything.

[floral herald]

It is really

[uneven ember]

Which doesn't mean it wasn't fun! But IME it was less a strategy game at that point and more 2v3 players Timmying their entire collections at each other instead of playing a normal game.

[pastel rampart]

Apocalypse was trying to do Epic but with 40k rules and that has never worked, ever.

[floral herald]

It's super expensive and not exactly balanced

[brittle salmon]

Yeah, pretty much

[bright dove]

But it was a neat novelty, if only for the time they did the Polar Battle of Macaggre.

Which played out surprisingly lore accurate.

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNiPsHZ7EEk&t=80s&ab_channel=RogueHobbies

[floral herald]

Oh huh

https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/eshort-one-million-years-eng-2023.html?basket_add=1&basket_item=13708

I think this might be the first LoV-related black library publication

[naive abyss]

Oh is this the one that leaked where it's lov fucking up some crons?

[floral herald]

🤷

Bumped into it randomly

[pulsar cairn]

so uuh

Eldar scorpions can kill a space marine no problem

but how tough are they? does it take much to kill them if you can hit them?

[quaint compass]

Not exceptionally, they wear heavy armor for eldar

[pulsar cairn]

i like their cheek lasers

[solemn gull]

They crumple

[pulsar cairn]

so glass cannons?

[upper canopy]

I mean I think their armor is about as good as carapace

It's just not power armor

[pulsar cairn]

sounds about right

probably gives u a lot of mobility

[floral herald]

In tabletop terms they have a 3+ with the normal eldar 5++

So their stuff is roughly analogous to power armor

[upper canopy]

Oh I didn't know they got 3+

I thought it was 4

[jaunty dawn]

I think that's a relatively new thing

iirc

[floral herald]

They've had it as long as I've played

They're one of the "heavy" aspects along with iirc fire dragons and dark reapers

[pulsar cairn]

they sound like good units

[upper canopy]

They're alright but I think Eldar melee is pretty weak this edition

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[upper canopy]

Canonically Striking Scorpions are really good

Like you can expect one to reasonably duel your average space marine and probably win.

[pulsar cairn]

there was this one shitty animation of one killing like 3 of them

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like aspect warriors are generally meq in general

generally in general :)

[pulsar cairn]

meq?

[quaint compass]

Marine equivalent

[pulsar cairn]

oh right right

[jaunty dawn]

the 5++ on all aspects was the 9e buff I was remembering

didn't used to get that

in 7 and 8th at least

[floral herald]

Oh huh I didn’t know that was from 9E

Scorps sadly look kind of bad in 10e

Swinging S4 AP- is pretty weak

They get dev wounds but I don’t think that’s enough

Oh sustained assault helps

Hmm weird unit

I kind of miss the bad old days when Scorps had a 2++ vs shooting

Err sorry 2++ in cover, 3++ otherwise

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/18p3drc/new_scout_kill_team_credit_to_can_you_roll_a_crit/

Scouts!

These are neat looking

Sort of vanilla but they have stuff going on on half the operatives and a cool faction rule

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/18p3f6n/new_blade_of_khaine_kill_team_credit_to_can_you/

Also speaking of scorps

[jaunty dawn]

forward scouting is cool

and I like how they have bolter discipline/shock assault as a tactical ploy instead cause they're just little guys

[floral herald]

same

[jaunty dawn]

oh and apl3 sergeant who tells em to do better to be apl 3 MUHRINES

[floral herald]

That heavy bolter is vicious too if you can get into a good spot with the bipod and shoot twice

But they don't get suspensors haha

[jaunty dawn]

equipment is quite kitbash friendly too. can give camo cloak or grapnel to anyone

the banshee boomerang is an area attack haha

[floral herald]

Oh this is cool

Blades of Khaine are really neat

One of the more expensive teams to fully collect but really cool

8 apl 3 models is spooky

I think that's one of the highest total APLs a team has?

I think chaos cult and vet guard might be higher?

But that might be it

[jaunty dawn]

chaos cult is the highest with 30

[pine matrix]

That's very cool!!

[jaunty dawn]

and then blooded and vet guard have 28

8 apl 3 or 9 with fake apl 3 is basically the eldar faction identity though

(fake apl 3 like corsairs getting free dash, archon gets pain tokens)

it's one of the just sheer numerical advantages that makes harlequins staple good

not as tough as marine teams though, and don't get access to as much bolter discipline

wyrmblade can also go up to 14 models

there are a couple of 12*2 model kill teams that are equal to 8*3 but they're relatively rare

[junior robin]

finally, a model for the Venenum Temple assassins

[floral herald]

that feels like a FEC model to me for some reason

[junior robin]

feels like it could be connected to the arm from the 16th

[pastel rampart]

The skull design is very old-school vampire counts. You'd see it on shields.

[naive abyss]

its gives me the vibe of like allot of the old necromancer models

which either means aos vamps are getting vamps or something or they decided to give old world vamps something lol

[junior robin]

have they said anything about non-core factions getting new minis in old world? 🤔

[naive abyss]

tbh they havent said much about new minis really

its sorta just a scattershot of them showing up

like we know more about the rules and lore than any plans with miniatures

[pastel rampart]

TOW will have army lists for every faction that was in WHFB but some of them won't get anything other than that. Maybe old kits hitting production again but like, I wouldn't expect chaos to get anything new.

[floral herald]

Chaos can probably use a lot of AOS stuff

[pastel rampart]

Rank and file stuff, yeah probably. Specific AoS units, noooot sure.

Like as an example I don't think the Hellcannon was introduced timeline-wise until Storm of Chaos, so I wouldn't expect to see that in TOW.

But then, they can justify whatever they want, it's their game. If Empire has access to a lot of black powder weapons then they'll have changed things a bit, since iirc black powder weapons were still relatively rare and temperamental at that time.

[thin ibex]

how much of "there is only war" in the 40k setting can be attributed by percentage to orks do yall think?

[dense sedge]

Chaos and the imperium are also bad for it

[spice flicker]

Is the first company Detachment for Marines even worth considering?

Or is there a better Detachment for going all terminators?

[junior robin]

"in the far future, there is only war" factoid actualy just statistical error. the far future just contains some war. the Arch-arsonist of charadon, who lives in the Charadon sector & has been a bane of Ultima Segmentum for countless centuries , is an outlier adn should not have been counted.

[thin ibex]

competetively, I think they're seriously underwhelming. I'd hesitate to say bad, because the units it wants you to bring are already good, but compared to things like the firestorm and stormlance, ironstorm, and gladius are all generally better

i think they can absolutely perform, they have a couple real good stratagems/enhancements, but they ultimately i don't think makes up enough ground

[junior robin]

it does look a bit underwhelming to my untrained eye 🤔

[spice flicker]

Pros and cons?

[thin ibex]

interaction with battleshock means with the right enhancement, you can get enemy casualties in another phase of hte game

all the veteran units are reasonably strong, though sternguard aren't quite as strong as they once were

access to old oath of moment for a turn, while feeling like a consolation, is strong

a number of the enhancements allow for a personal and a 1/battle unit enhancement that can be decisive

Downsides is the limited selection of stuff that the detachment wants you to use

and the lack of a consistent benefit

stings quite a lot

that its focused around your best infantry is a plus i suppose

a 1st detachment army will be dummy tough in general

but i think they'll lack a bit of flexivility

I do think that if you like em, they could probably be made to work despite the shortfallings

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhfyo4YJtR0&ab_channel=HoxxesFanFilm

[pulsar cairn]

so many undes

they are all so short

[naive abyss]

Lol

I find it funny you use my tag as a byword for dorfs

Considering how tall I am lol

[topaz elk]

https://youtu.be/7-ToXrqFa5I?si=fEEWL7YDS_mVapNN

[tepid stratus]

I had a convo on this with a buddy yesterday that yeah they essentially need to back port a bunch of end times and AOS kits to put chaos up to parity with other faction while keeping beastmen separate. Like end times added elite khorne and nurgle units but they'd need to add AOS kits to get slaanesh and tzeentch to parity

[bright dove]

I finally caved and got the Battletome for Beasts of Chaos. I fully intend to start collecting and playing as 'em.

[topaz elk]

Hey does anyone have that one video of the imperial fists marching to the darktide OST?

[mental birch]

There's rhe funniest Detachment

The raven guard one

Blade driven deep on a 10 termie block is very funny

[spice flicker]

They're good for all terminator lists?

[mental birch]

Imagine infiltrating 10 termies

[past sphinx]

ravenguard in 9th could do that i believe

or was it centourions?

[pulsar cairn]

Atlas is kewl hat wearer

[dense sedge]

AoS tzeentch needs elite mortal units tbh

[bright dove]

But those elite troops won't commit to the fail state of a plan. 😛

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wz3l_pLUcA

[thin ibex]

Revisiting this, i actually think that the Gladius detachment or Stormlance detachment can be effective for it.

and yeah, the vanguard detachment can let you deepstrike a full block of termies

but only termies don't feel amazing for it imo

[soft willow]

A friend of mine did that with Vanguard and found the termies often get chewed up for it.

Sometimes it's enough of a brick to hold folks back, but not enough of the time.

[spice flicker]

Better to turn 5x5 terminators into a 1x5+2x10, 1x10+4x5, or stay as is?

[thin ibex]

personally i think running them generally minimum is the way to go

a single block of 10 might be good if you have a strong unit wide buff or 2, but otherwise being dummy tough can mean under investing or overinvesting firepower to wipe squads

[thin ibex]

And it's really easy, with that 4+ invuln to sink too much or too little into one squad, wasting your opponents valuable shooting

[proud wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ZXxZ5YXwM

[tepid stratus]

Can co firm from experience. Multiple 5 man termie bricks from any army is a shooting phase nightmare. Not so much in combat as melee trades well enough but shooting struggles to do it in a cost effective manner

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerFantasy/comments/18pah01/looks_like_herohammer_is_back_with_a_vengeance/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[thin ibex]

Hmm, I'm vibing doing a heroic deepstrike entrance themed 1st company Detachment list for space wolves. Logan, and the high kings champion arrive with 10 wolf guard to save the day

I wonder if wolf guard and wolf guard terminators count

For 1st company. I'm pretty sure they do because of Terminator keyword for the termies

You know thinking about 10th edition tags, I'm a bit surprised that stormbolters and combi bolters don't just have the same profile as a normal bolter but with twin linked tacked on

[jaunty dawn]

that used to be the difference between a storm bolter and a combi bolter

assault 2 vs rapid fire 1 twin linked

but yeah not everything went back to being twin linked. mostly just the stuff that had gotten ridiculously upgunned in 8e

like a razorback is always gonna have more or less the same defensive profile as a rhino so when you buff its weapons it ends up more glass cannon-y for its points

while just giving terminators two boltguns is completely whatever

[grand vigil]

For a Christmas question I ask this, take a full chapter space marine, specialisations are infiltration, info gathering sabotage and Rapid Response, how many houses can they visit to give children presents on today's millennium Terra?

[solemn gull]

Probably like a million

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6qjvT0DSso

[tired cairn]

Does orbital bombardment count as a present?

[grand vigil]

Depends, does it target specific presents or just general generic presents

[tired cairn]

I'm sure the shells used are holy relics. Plus remember, it's better to die for the Emperor (high present/Christmas rate) than live for yourself (getting a present that doesn't explode)

[past sphinx]

Man I need to kitbash an eviscerator hive preacher

[mental birch]

Me an idiot

Modelling a simple guandao

Profile to make power glaives

[desert jay]

Okay now continue this to tell me why the heretics are the most deserving of presents

[tired cairn]

The Emperor is merciful

[thin ibex]

So do units have a limit to how many characters can join if every character after the next one has an exception text?

Like could you do a wolf guard unit with a captain in Terminator Armour, a wolf guard battle leader in Terminator armor, a wolf guard pack leader in Terminator armor, and an ancient in Terminator armor?

Side note, I've become somewhat more of a fan of Ancients recently, especially on big important units of mid board contesters, to really max out the control of the objective

OC 3 battleline units are also fun

[tired cairn]

Hmm, good question. You can definitely have three of those attached. Based on the wording of the Battle Leader, it seems like order of operations matters, so I'm thinking you can have all four

[proud wing]

even if they're good at sabotage compared to other space marines, they're still 8 feet tall in colorful armor

tons of people would report strange armored people breaking into their homes (presumably through the front door, since there's no way they'd fit through chimneys)

and then there would be a fun little christmastime national guard v space marine escapade

[tired cairn]

I think a lot of the Imperium would be in awe at one of the Emperor's angels cool-aid manning into their residence and giving them a present

[proud wing]

but the scenario was "today's millennium"

[thin ibex]

"We haven't finished paying off the house, but thank you o angel, for your gift of... a hand grenade and the destruction of my wall."

"I will never financially recover from your gift giving"

[desert jay]

IIRC the clarification doc establishes a strict limit of 2 leaders

But there are a few weird attachable units that aren’t leaders so they don’t count to this limit

Like servitors or IG bodyguards

[thin ibex]

Ah damn

14 man strong Terminator block was an entertaining idea

[desert jay]

The 32(?) man guard squad is pretty funny tho

20 base squad plus 5 man command squad plus enginseer plus 4 servitors plus 2(?) bodyguards

[thin ibex]

Oh you can go bigger I think

20 man squad, 5 man command squad, 1 tech priest, 3 attaches, 1 ogryn bodyguard, 4 servitors

33 I think

[desert jay]

Oh right the attaches, and thats 34

[thin ibex]

I'm clearly awful at math

[junior robin]

👼

[thin ibex]

New dark angels lieutenant

[floral herald]

Space wolf Primaris lieutenant with trophy from one of those pre battle duels

[pine matrix]

I think a couple of million, one whole chapter working full capacity all night would get a hell of a lot done

[pastel rampart]

It'd be cool if that came back as a rule.

Just a fun little side thing to add some flavor.

[tired cairn]

Oh whoops, missed that

[floral herald]

I actually have no idea what that rule did I just remember it being a thing

[desert jay]

My bet is on a storm speeder version of the shrine speeder

Darkshroud, that’s the name

[bright dove]

Alright, made myself a list to start collecting. Should be relatively cheap with the Vanguard box as well.

[pastel rampart]

It was a thing in White Dwarf iirc, possibly thrown into one of the Chapter Approved books back in 3e.

[thin ibex]

It's a shame there are no gorgors

[bright dove]

I would kill for some gorgors. 😛

[ebon forge]

I would love to have a playlist for the zealot or the heretic. ~~Just not all death metal plz i can't understand much of it ~~

[soft willow]

LoFi Beats to kill/burn heritics to.

[solemn gull]

Thrash

[ebon forge]

yes please

[ebon forge]

Yes, my musical taste is literally trash

[solemn gull]

Nay

Thrash metal

[thin ibex]

its kind of a shame that i quite like the screamer killer on nids

but apparently its not great

(for the cost)

its apparently very good on its own merit as a generalist melee threat

[spice flicker]

I was watching a video of someone doing a playthrough of Demon Souls and upon seeing the Storm King I was reminded of some kind of giant screamer of Tzeentch.

[thin ibex]

honestly one of my favorite bosses

in terms of sheer scale and spectacle

[ebon forge]

I like Tzeench burbs

[pulsar cairn]

i like em big

[ebon forge]

Same

Even if they are fucking NERDS

[spice flicker]

Now I'm feeling tempted to have the Storm king show in my rogue trader campaign as a "greater screamer of Tzeentch" to harass the party on a planet.

[bright dove]

I was looking at the Tzaangors, but decided I'd like the normal gors more.

Entirely because of Allherd.

[pulsar cairn]

"I'z stuck inside dis Fing and dat makes me MAAAD" -Deff dread pilot

unrelated btw

[dense sedge]

Friend of mine is building a custom tzeentch knight from 3d printed parts

[ebon forge]

oh nice! I remember seeing a Tzeentch knight drawn once, it had many eyes

[dense sedge]

It’s going to use a pair of bird heads

[spice flicker]

Knight possessed by kairos' twin

[ebon forge]

FOUDN IT

https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/comments/17p5889/knight_fight_susurra_di_seraphini_vs_ostia_haldus/

"Featuring my Tzeentchian Chaos Knight and Ostia Haldus" :3c

[alpine quarry]

I love this!

[ebon forge]

Same!

We need more unique chaos Knights

[spice flicker]

Hmmm.... for necrons for a semi-serious yet still mostly for fun, should I go with a majority (90%+) canoptek list or majority destroyer cult list?

[uneven ember]

I like the Destroyer Cult

[spice flicker]

Locusts are cool but so are the canoptek stuff.

[uneven ember]

also, tangentially, I do generally like the wide use of "cult" in 40K for ideological or religious groups

Like, yeah, it does get used for the human-sacrificing demon worshippers built around charismatic weirdoes but it's also used for, like, ork speed enthusiasts and Emperor-worship

[desert jay]

Machine cult best cult

[soft willow]

The Omnissiah has provided the math to prove it as well.

[pulsar cairn]

of course the servo skull says that

[upper canopy]

KULT OF SPEED IZ BEST KULT

[spice flicker]

Cult of sorcerers reign supreme

[pulsar cairn]

cult of me is better

[naive abyss]

Truly mysterious

[proud wing]

the genestealer cult is the best, but it does greatly appreciate the work of the machine cult

considering several forge worlds have had their general population side with the genestealers without even being infected, just because they hated their admech rulers so much

so I appreciate you making things easier for us

[dense sedge]

FOR THE FOUR ARMED EMPERORS

[runic swallow]

For the TOTALLY NORMAL NUMBER OF ARMS Emperor!

[uneven ember]

Corporal Jean Steeler, reporting for duty.

[pulsar cairn]

[proud wing]

ok guys i'm gonna post a really hilarious Genestealer meme

[uneven ember]

eeeeyyyyy

https://www.machall.com/comics/20001113.jpg

It's been 20 years and I just now noticed that those aren't jeans

[floral herald]

Ymgarl strain

Wait

Jnco strain

Is that anything?

[upper canopy]

3/10

[past sphinx]

this has convinced me that i havent heard a new 40k joke since i started

[naive abyss]

In theory new ones happened with lov

[bright dove]

New ones happened when Cadia broke.

[past sphinx]

sorry we did get Eldar GF from gorrilla mans return

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this necron list?

Annihilation Legion
2000/2000 points

Lokhust lord, resurrection Orb, ingrained superiority, warlord
Lokhust lord, resurrection ork
Skorpekh Lord

1x10 flayed ones
1x10 flayed ones
1x6 skorpekh destroyers

1x3 lokhust destroyers
1x6 lokhust destroyers
1x6 lokhust destroyers
1x3 Lokhust Heavy Destroyers, Gauss destructor
1x3 lokhust heavy destroyers, enmitic Eliminator
1x3 lokhust heavy destroyers, enmitic Eliminator

2x3 Scarab swarms

2x doomstalkers

[thin ibex]

Hmm, I like it, I take the locusts are your objective holders?

I hear flayed ones are actually wildly better in this Detachment than normally

List is maybe a bit fragile for the model count but i think it could work

[spice flicker]

The 1x3 hold the rear, and Scarabs hide in corners. The skorpechs and the 2x6 will each have a Lord and will be the "main force" while the flayed try to flank and the heavies/doomstalker target major threats.

[thin ibex]

Due to having so many lokhusts I wonder if it would be of greater utility to bring more heavy guass over the enmetic eliminators in volume, though I suppose the big benefit to the eliminators is raw volume with a potential +1 to wound

[spice flicker]

I would take more Gauss if I didn't have the doomstalkers

Might still swap them out

[ebon forge]

Darktide gave us pro Ogryn jokes

Like
(Ogryn) + (Big Rock) > Sci-Fi gun

[solemn gull]

Beating a dead horse is a skill of any 40k memer

[floral herald]

Some of them were also lame from the start

Sorry shovel memers

[runic swallow]

It was funny when it was a “hey, did you know this WWI fact?”

[solemn gull]

I can’t even interact with the popculture of 40k anymore

Everything is “LOL GURLYMAN x ELF”

[floral herald]

I admit I am also kind of biased against the DKOK in general since I think they’re kind of a vehicle for the worst impulses in the fan base

[solemn gull]

Real

[brittle salmon]

They 200% are

[solemn gull]

I like them being in the background

[brittle salmon]

The low key fascists in the community love the DKoK

[floral herald]

That’s fun though imo it’s such a crack ship

[quaint compass]

I am sure that if DKoK didn't have a german name as their source, it would not have it's particular popularity.

[uneven ember]

On top of that, IMO, I love their aesthetic but I just don't vibe with their lore at all.
The WWI-Guard thing shouldn't be penitent death seekers it should just be a bunch of guys whose jobs suck.

[solemn gull]

Getting the ship shoved down my throat every 10 seconds with [“hehe hot elf,” said the emperor] is not fun

[floral herald]

40k is weird since it so frequently asks people to empathize with or go “god I wish that was me” about depersonalized fascist cannon fodder (space marines included) and the DKOK are such an extreme manifestation of that

[quaint compass]

Brontians need not only official models, but also replace most guard units

[solemn gull]

They are french

[quaint compass]

Poor bastards

[uneven ember]

The DoW Chapter Master/Elf ship is also funny and, TBH, a lot better supported by the dialogue

[floral herald]

Broke: DKOK are cool
Woke: DKOK suck
Bespoke: DKOK are cool for being the strat. reserve of hurt/comfort fics

[uneven ember]

(But yes, DKoK fans are the #2 yellow flag of the fandom, right after... my Chapter. 😔 )

[solemn gull]

Lemme guess

Templars

[solemn gull]

If thats the take then I’m in debt

Meme culture has destroyed DKOK

[uneven ember]

Yuuuuuup.

[floral herald]

Big mood I really like the BTs

[brittle salmon]

This is why the Lamenters are my favourite chapter

Fascists hate these humanized civilian saving boys

[solemn gull]

You need a straight man to show how insane the universe is

[upper canopy]

My favorite space marine chapter are the guys I came up with c:

[solemn gull]

So real

[floral herald]

I like the Black Templars because they’re a bunch of horrible assholes with a cool gothic drippy candle aesthetic

[solemn gull]

I love the blanche art for them

Warm colour pallets on black and white 😎

[uneven ember]

I started playing BTs out of the Armageddon Codex. Still have one of the original pewter Emperor's Champions. (And a pewter Battle Barge!) Not giving them up because the worst fans have picked them up. Full Office Space Michael Bolton "why should I change, they're the ones who suck" on this one.
But NGL it stings.

[upper canopy]

I hate the Black Templars because they didn't finish the job and made us deal with Cacodominus 2 electric boogaloo

Which is a canon thing I can hold against them

[floral herald]

Someone painted some great blanchite BTs too

[solemn gull]

lol even the yellow guns

[uneven ember]

I was working out my Crusade/Character lore back when, and decided to tie them in with the pre-war Maelstrom Warders'.
I was thinking "Lamenters were Warders, fleet-based Chapter buddies?" and had to conclude that, no, the Templars would hate the Lamenters

[uneven ember]

i love it

[solemn gull]

The blanchitsu/inq28 community is the one saving grace of 40k’s community for me

[upper canopy]

Man

@floral herald props to you btw for instilling in me the most adrenline I've ever felt for the longest period of time as a tabletop player

I went back to us just rambling in tabletop chat

https://i.imgur.com/f6ceIyM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/973320472269848656/1128118492802060349/xivbosssub_1689034590954.png?ex=659356b8&is=6580e1b8&hm=d2ecaf08d009d7224fd6cc417fd7c1025902dcc185c6a3db53c2f02ef15f0d79&

there we go right version

[floral herald]

😊

[upper canopy]

https://i.imgur.com/UyTSnAD.png

https://i.imgur.com/GHnOJ6a.png

what a good time

[thin ibex]

Ahh I need to bother yall when I really start looking to bite into w&g

Do yall rec just going homebrew from the get go or doing a module?

Prospective players volunteered they want ty play at a higher power level, so it's gonna be space marines from the get go

[upper canopy]

Depends if you have access to the bestiary or not

If you do, probably homebrew

If you don't, probably homebrew

module

not homebrew twice

[thin ibex]

Im... not sure if I do, but I might. Got a big bundle from humble

A while back

[solemn gull]

Oh I got the same one

The modules in it are pretty good

[floral herald]

I wound up using a lot of homebrew since a lot of it is good and the published space marine stuff is a little threadbare for a whole party

[solemn gull]

You doing T3 or T4?

[thin ibex]

Mm unsure, I think either

[upper canopy]

We hit max XP

so homebrew was kinda required

[floral herald]

I recommend starting at T3 to allow a little more upward growth

But iirc that makes it hard to include primaris

At least the default ones

[solemn gull]

All of the cool archetypes are T4

For astartes

[upper canopy]

I mean now that crossing the rubicon is a thing

you don't NEED to start as a primaris

[solemn gull]

True

[uneven ember]

So thing I kinda liked doing was having my BTemplars have different weapon colors. I feel like it kinda fits with their vibe.
The sort of BYO Gear association of warriors kind of thing.

[solemn gull]

Absolutely, medieval european knights were pay2win

[upper canopy]

@final tide pinging btw because I feel like you'd want to reminise about Ava's perfectly symmetrical violence

Oh and Briar's online

@brittle salmon Friend tell the story of the greatest healer in 40k

[brittle salmon]

I'm at work or I would talk about Arctavus for sure

[upper canopy]

damn

We should really get an art commission of that party

I feel like it's too cool to not immortalize

[solemn gull]

What was your campaign?

[uneven ember]

There's a kind of shift through history, IMO, that's really interesting.
Where for most of history armies were composed of people who would show up with their own personalized gear, so even if it was standardized like Helenic hoplites or Republican Rome, it would be individualized and people would be doing their own decoration. A group that did get uniform gear were presumably some kind of elite, given their whole kit as a standard at fairly great expense by their superior.
But then when national armies became the standard and everyone who shows up gets a uniform, it's the ones who've been doing it the longest who've personalized their loadout.
So yeah, for minis, I feel like the "show up with your stuff" or "everyone loaded up standard issue" is a pretty interesting distinction to pick between for army vibes.

[floral herald]

World’s least well paced “short shot” about a Deathwatch kill team summoned to investigate what was initially suspected alien psychic attack on a strategically important imperial world

[uneven ember]

Although you do sometimes want to go for a bit more standardization, to properly tie the look together

[solemn gull]

If I ever got back into actual 40k I would make a emperor’s children army where everyone is unique

It would look ugly as hell

[upper canopy]

It turned out that it was not a tyranid bio-form

but was instead something called a Cacodominus

Which is a cyborg xenos thing that can mind-control entire sectors

[solemn gull]

Ooh

[upper canopy]

Which turned out might be related to the Emperor somehow

and then after fighting the entire planet in an invasion of the body-snatchers style plot we found out it's plan

which was to go back in time to kill the Emperor and then become the Emperor by sitting on the Golden Throne

So we had to fight an Alpha+ Psyker and 4 greater daemons after fighting a legion of Chaos Space Marines led by our Dark Angel from another timeline

Also we had to fight them in the warp

because that's how the time travel was working

[solemn gull]

Sounds crazy cool

[upper canopy]

'twere

[floral herald]

The Cacodominus is one of those things which GW mentioned like, once offhand and was just really fucked up

[upper canopy]

It's literally just there for a relic the Black Templars can take

[floral herald]

The Cacodominus was the name given to an extremely powerful alien-cyborg Psyker who was behind The Howling in M34. The Cacodomius' powers were such that it was able to exert complete control over an area of 1,300 planetary systems. Eventually, it was slain by the Black Templars, but the resulting backlash distorted the signal of the Astronomican and burnt out billions of Astropaths across the Imperium. The resulting anarchy from the events resulted in millions of ships being lost and entire Sub-Sectors descending into barbarism.
This is like, 95% of of the official lore for it

From the 5e core rulebook

This is the last 5%

[upper canopy]

We also couldn't kill it

Because if we did we risked the Imperium blowing up

[floral herald]

Yeah with the state of the galaxy in early M42 another Howling would probably have finished off the Imperium

Oh wait there was a little more lore

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Howling

[solemn gull]

Wait so you guys didnt kill it

How did the howling happen then?

[upper canopy]

We locked it in stasis

[floral herald]

This was a second cacodominus

My interpretation was that the Cacodominus, which imo looks suspiciously human was actually an ancient revenge-project by the Selenite-gene cultists who shortly after the heresy took over the ancient ringworld lab to take revenge on the emperor. Done by making a self-improving genetically perfected warrior-scientist which would labor to make a better one and continue that process until one was made strong enough to defeat the God-Emperor

The "First" Cacodominus was actually the second or third generation of them which escaped the lab and made a pocket empire of 1300 star systems as a despot and was put down by the Black Templars

But the process continued in secret for another ~7000 years

[final tide]

And also my boy was involved via time crimes

[solemn gull]

Interesting

Sounds like you all had a lot of fun

Awesome campaign premise

[floral herald]

And the "Second cacodominus", using artifacts the Selenites had recovered from Terra during the "endless day" of the end of the Horus Heresy had set up a scheme to travel through the warp back to that day and defeat Horus and the Emperor to crown the Selenites rulers of a retroactively nascent gene-imperium

[final tide]

The first and only round of violence between two dark angels was completely symmetrical attack rolls

Then I shot out my paradox clones legs with an inferno pistol

[uneven ember]

nice
I actually got into Aeronautica Imperialis a bit ago (just in time for GW to basically kill the game, FML) & I was trying to figure out whether I wanted to make the paint schemes more or less identical for the orks.
I wound up going very different, partly because I feel like it vibed, but also just because it would make it a lot easier to specify which ork plane is which if I'm ever actually in a game. (The Imperial Navy planes are all painted the same way, but it'll be a lot easier when I get the number decals on them.)

[final tide]

And dragged his ass to the Inner Circle

[floral herald]

The party managed to defeat the legion of daemons during the temporal warp transit and trapped the Cacodominus in stasis

The Inquisitor who had summoned them initially was quietly (though the party had a Blood Raven who was too connected and leaved this early) a Revivicationist who wanted to carefully move the Emperor's soul into the body of the Cacdominus to bring the Emperor back to life

And when revealing this to the party they uh, talked about killing him for a while but I think in the end just said no and went their separate ways

(Their separate ways nearly 1000 years into the past because of partial time travel)

[final tide]

Oh wait don’t forget when I cold read his shit

[floral herald]

hahahha yeah that was great

[brittle salmon]

I'm on a little bit of a break so - Arctavus was a Lamenters Apothecary, a very sad but very brave fellow who was also the squad heavy weapon user

In the final fight he shoved an archaeotech micro-nuke into a plague marine's exposed chest and punted him directly at a Great Unclean One, annihilating them

[final tide]

Our tech marine baseball pitched a melta charge into a keeper of secrets

To win the encounter

[brittle salmon]

Earlier, in a fight against the Cacodominus's servitor proxy, he managed to just barely resist possession by turning his plasma pistol on himself, and then subsequently one-shot an encroaching Leman Russ with the Lascannons he carried on a fucking killer roll

[floral herald]

The micro-nuke was loosely based on this thing but with less lame rules, I finally found its inspiration

[brittle salmon]

Oh hell yeah

Do they not...do initial damage??

[floral herald]

No its just written weirdly

Though it is honestly very funny to me that you need a strength bonus of 5 to safely throw this sucker

[brittle salmon]

Lmfao

Yeah thats any average DH character dead if caught in it

[floral herald]

Yeah it basically hits like a lascannon in a blast 12

It's not unimpressive but I wanted a little more boom for archeotech loot in a max-power W&G game haha

(My version was just "completely destroys anything within 3 meters of the device, has no effect any further out for archeotech reasons")

[solemn gull]

That game seemed so cool RIP

[solemn gull]

I wish there was more weird and specific loot in W&G

Picked up the Dark Heresy 2nd edition humble bundle and they have so many weird and unique items

[unreal cosmos]

I don't know how to spoiler images but

I saw some ||DA|| codex reveals

[solemn gull]

I adore this bootleg bolter

Literally just a flare gun

[uneven ember]

Yeah. 😔 And I had the original BFG set in the basement. I might just need to stop liking GW's side games. (They did bring Necromunda back, though!)

[solemn gull]

Necromunda my beloved

[floral herald]

If you're directly uploading them there should be an option in the little thumbnails above the text box

[uneven ember]

AI is kinda still around, but they've cut it down to basically an EpicHH offshoot.

[floral herald]

If its an image link put "||" on both sides of the URL

[unreal cosmos]

image link, tho I could download them just because it looks better...

[uneven ember]

Which, I mean. They were pretty clearly thinking of that on some level, people had noticed for a minute that the AT and AI models were scaled so that they could be compatible.

Just that they decided to get rid of all the Xenos airplanes

[floral herald]

I'd also download them because the link might die

[unreal cosmos]

Everyone clear the Unde blast radius

[floral herald]

haha

||Companions|| huh

Cool to see some book-lore moving onto the table

wait a sec

I know that skellyman

[unreal cosmos]

Wait really? I was wondering about him

[floral herald]

On ||Belial||

[unreal cosmos]

oh I thought you meant that was a lore skeleton lol

"It's Sammy Bones!"

[floral herald]

oh hey

this one too

I think that's it

These are really cool

[brittle salmon]

Yeah these rule

Cyan you should GM more 40k stuff haha

[floral herald]

It's on my list... eventually

Once the stuff I'm running now winds down I think Lancer or Eclipse Phase or maybe Break is next but I also want to do something with IM or DH1E

[brittle salmon]

[upper canopy]

I feel like I'm going to be running at least one World of Darkness or Warhammer game in perpetuity at this point

[slim prawn]

oh i missed talk of deathwatch game, was good time

if you do run more things i'd love to tag into them if i got the time cyan

[floral herald]

Can do

[slim prawn]

i like to imagine that barnabas eventually got whacked by a squad of time crime enforcers, with the kill squad headed by himself

[floral herald]

hahaha

[slim prawn]

man built himself a criminal shadow empire and lost it all

probably ended up pulling a stunt where he fakes the timeline somehow of sending a duplicate barnabas to go on the cacodominus hunt

ironically doing the alpha legion proud in terms of schemes, considering the blood raven's history

[brittle salmon]

Lmfao

[past sphinx]

DA getting all this dope shit makes me feel bad that UM are just box art marines

[thin ibex]

I do feel like UM just get their own brand of dope shit that are to some peoples taste (heck being the box guys is a vibe)

I do still think that IF make better poster boys

[unreal cosmos]

the secret is that our color scheme is just a little better

or rather more marketable

also having glimpsed into the Horus Heresy community, a lot of the hate Ultras get is shifted onto the Fists, so there's no winning lol

[floral herald]

Oh lmao

[thin ibex]

-_-

[unreal cosmos]

yeah that's the secret, people say "oh I hate smurfs if someone else was the poserboy I'd like that better" but the posterboy always gets ragged on for getting more attention

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s inevitable

It’s less common with less postery factions though

[unreal cosmos]

yeah it's amplified for marines because they're the posterboy army

[floral herald]

Not a lot of “fuck vior’la bork’an should be the main paint faction”

I don’t even see anywhere near as much of it with CSM

At least the Black Legion don’t get as much

[unreal cosmos]

I've seen a little of it, even here lol

[soft willow]

CSM doesn't get it because they split the major factions into their own codexes.

[floral herald]

Though I think part of that is Abaddon’s crazed redemption arc over the past few years

[soft willow]

It used to be which god you wanted to roll with, and now it's kinda just weird shit the book.

[floral herald]

That’s also true yeah

[unreal cosmos]

I've definitely seen people ragging on BL colors and saying that generic CSM just look like BL

[floral herald]

How so? Like colors or thematics or what?

[unreal cosmos]

idk like Alpha Legion and Iron Hands folks say they're too greebly or something

I don't quite get it myself

and I can't express my specific opinions without subtweeting

[floral herald]

I kinda see it honestly

The new models are really characterful and it doesn’t work as well for Iron Warriors or AL

[uneven ember]

I think the, uh, edging? of the armor is part of it.

[floral herald]

Yeah there’s a lot of raised areas and trim

And furs and such

Like this chaos lord from Blackstone looks kind of weird in IW colors because he’s too warriors of chaos-y for them

[uneven ember]

There's some Legions I might just try to handle with a loyalist SM minis, maybe a few bits add-ons.

[floral herald]

But it’s a great look for BL or WB or BS or something

[unreal cosmos]

I kinda like scrunglier looking Hands but I realize that's just because I'm used to the modern models

I feel like for all their disdain of Chaos and such, they've been in the Warp a good long time

[uneven ember]

🧓 Time was, you know, the Red Corsairs were the Red Scars. Called 'em that on account they were always "recruiting," and new converts would cover their Imperial iconography with red paint. So the idea was, you could have a bunch of Marines painted up like Loyalist chapters only with red covering up all their Chapter markings.

[unreal cosmos]

it's harder to do the stripes good tho I'll give you that

[unreal cosmos]

oh seriously? cool

the name change is the only part I wasn't aware of

[uneven ember]

I think they got rid of that idea in 5th or so, back when they were really trying to push the Red Corsairs to the forefront, and wanted to make sure that they had their own paint scheme and identity.
And, of course, when they were really starting to move away from "convert your own stuff" to "buy the model we sell to be the game unit it represents," although before the court cases got them really into that.
Harpies and Wave Serpents, they had Codex entries without minis for years

[upper canopy]

Listen

no one would be upset if they brought the Crimson Fists back

I promise ye

Confusion, yes

rage, no

[uneven ember]

Also, I just want to throw out again to how bad Abaddon is at naming things.
Like, maybe he's a great evil genius tactician or whatever, but he is, as PTerry once put it, something of a Detritus as far as names go.

[floral herald]

Is this in reference to something in particular?

…It’s the Planet Killer isn’t it

[unreal cosmos]

at first but give them enough time and people would be spitting in Pedro Cantor's face

[uneven ember]

The Planet Killer is part of it, yes.
He gets a one-of-a-kind warship with a main gun unlike anything known to the galaxy before or since, one that most AdMech agree could not possibly have been built outside of the Eye of Terror because none of it seems possible according to merely mortal physics, and he goes with "Planet Killer."
I mean, yes, the gun does kill planets. Straightforward, fine, and even though any 40K capital ship can be outfitted to wipe out a biosphere he actually has a gun that blows up planets. Even so, kinda pedestrian, and even that is getting outside of his comfort zone.

Consider: when Horus got Big E'd and the Luna Wolves needed another rebrand, what did he go with?
And when he gathered all he could of the shattered remnants of his father's armies to wage great and terrible wars of vengeance against the slaves of the Corpse-Emperor, what did he call that?
And when he declared a mulligan on that one and tried it a second time, what did he call that?

[floral herald]

It’s effective leadership! Hard enough to keep your followers in line where they’re people like “Grimnkill the Bloody” who gets bored and stops paying attention when you don’t mention murder every 8 words :p

[uneven ember]

I mean, I can recognize the importance of branding and that, fine, you don't want to go with subtle given the sorts of people you're trying to coordinate.

I'm just saying it gives the impression that he awakens in the Black Bed from his Black Nap and ventures to the Black Kitchen make the Black Recaff and drink it at the Black Table before he has his Black Shower

[thin ibex]

Unironically I've thought "Tau Sept should stay poster Tau" before xD

[floral herald]

I’m sure some of that could be the _ of Abaddon

The other phrase he seems to really like

Chosen of Abaddon, Hounds of Abaddon

[uneven ember]

True!
So yeah. Those are his two go-to options, "<whatever> of Abaddon" or "Black <whatever>." Or sometimes he really stretches himself and we get "Planet Killer."

Maybe he needs to invest in a Black Marketing Department of Abaddon all I'm saying

[naive abyss]

I find it hilarious that my idea for risen just gets easier and easier to do lol

But Hell yeah those what I can only assume are risen kick ass

I hope they have bolter variants

Like I hope they're sorta like a DA specific veteran sorta deal

With both melee and ranged options

Also I'm Super curious if they've crossed the rubicon

And I somehow summoned the lore that the lion shoves all the risen through it lol

Either way chuffed with marines getting more gribblies to say nothing of it making my current ideas easier lol

[uneven ember]

I mean I don't expect to see any not-Primaris Marines added to the line

[naive abyss]

Well we're sorta at the point where some stuff is kept vague like termies

[uneven ember]

Fair. I guess better to say they'll almost certainly be Primaris-scale

[thin ibex]

Christmas day thought, crisis suits should have gotten flechette launchers as a weapon option, make it like a str 3 rapid fire 6 weapon

[cinder wraith]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/25/angels-appear-on-christmas-day/

[jaunty dawn]

"how will the unforgiven react when the Lion reveals his new Risen!?!?!?"

"Uh, theyre just gonna show up suitably mysteriously and refuse to explain themselves and the unforgiven will be like well we dont know what thats about but it sounds right"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXn-Adclwy4

also this is what I think when they mention encrypted vox

[junior robin]

aw, the 24th rumor engine was just a banner for the inner circle companions and not a bit from a vehicle

wonder how many non-risen fallen are left now and what luther is up to now that he is free and the lion is back 🤔

[wide wind]

New dork angles!!!

[pulsar cairn]

btw

what's the Titan that's basically a bigger knight called?

it has a similar look with the helm face and big shoulder pads

[jaunty dawn]

like this one?

warlord

[pulsar cairn]

yeah yeah

that one is my favorite

are they piloted the same way as knights?

[quaint compass]

There's a few extra crew in addition to the pilotting princeps I believe

[pulsar cairn]

do all of them do the brain connection thingy or is it just the main guy?

[junior robin]

think only the pilot is connected

[floral herald]

Moderatii are also MIU’d in but with less connection and less fancy plugs than the Princeps

[junior robin]

I see

[naive abyss]

The companions seem to be specifically melee alas. Still cool though

[tired cairn]

Do Titans have that "semi-overwrite your mind with previous pilots'" thing that Knights have going on

[past sphinx]

No, the helm mechanic is a whole different operation, instead you gotta fight the machine spirit

theres suprisingly little cross over between knights and titans

[tired cairn]

They are pretty different narrative niche wise. But otherwise yeah

Oh, so Knights were originally farm equipment right? Do you think Knight pilots are prone to stereotypical farmer virtues like being really keen getting up at the crack of dawn due to this?

[pulsar cairn]

i dunno

[pulsar cairn]

but well they have a similar idea

but a different execution of it then

[floral herald]

It’s more like stereotypical knight stuff aiui

[tired cairn]

Oh, I know

But it would be funny if they also had some farmer in them

[pulsar cairn]

knight who used to be a farmer

like the crusader from darkest durngeon

[floral herald]

Maybe for really old ones then

Though it might be lumberjack stuff

[pulsar cairn]

probably all kinds of work honestly

lumber, mining, construction

any kind of work that needed heavy duty

[past sphinx]

and defence

chainsaw works just as well on meat

megafauna and such

[tired cairn]

You know, it's kind of surprising that the character knight has the pilot able ot escape. You'd think pilots, even nobles, would be less common than the knights

But maybe most of the time the knights can be repaired?

[pulsar cairn]

i imagine that the knights could have looked different back then as well

[past sphinx]

you can train a man, you cannot replace a centuries old machine

you can build new knights but people tend to be cheaper and the first componant to fail

[pulsar cairn]

i like to think they started looking more knightly as time went on

[desert jay]

IIRC new frames for knights are very rare and repairing them is common

[tired cairn]

I guess they are basically battletech mechs

And those get repaired hilariously often

[past sphinx]

contact with the enemy ensures damage with something whos half melee weapon

come to think of it im not sure they can still build em, i know they can build titans but knights come from old night so

idk

imperium didnt even have night vision in 2002 and now the have picatinny rails

[pulsar cairn]

i think the admech can

i remember a podcast episode on em, they didn't mention that

but i do remember that there are a few houses connected to the admech

that would probably be the reason they became close

[naive abyss]

I like the inner circle but I swear something is off with this ones hands. I think the sword grip looks bent or something?

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/JXs8I/30200f6454.jpg

[duke nukem grunt noise]

[junior robin]

That feel when you got a flacid hilt

But yeah that sword does not look right

[past sphinx]

the knuckles arent aligned

hang on lemme grab a sword

yeah that sort of grip is possible but its incredibly unnatural

its like hes trying to hold a guard against a ratling

[pulsar cairn]

u have a sword?

show me

[past sphinx]

its just old training stuff nothing fancy

[naive abyss]

Love these two

[pulsar cairn]

kevin and

uh

kevin

[untold swallow]

kevin and big sword kevin

[solemn gull]

I thought they were dark age tech meant to protect colonies

[junior robin]

I thought they stole them from the eldar

[solemn gull]

Wut

[junior robin]

its from the really old lore "The humans began utilising combat walkers invented by the Eldar and referred to them as "Knights"."

[uneven ember]

This is one of my favorite little details in Aeronautica Imperialis and I'm not sure it was even on purpose.
See, Imperial Navy flyers can take ejector seats as one of their 2 available upgrades. The problem is, they kinda... suck.
So the player gets to make the decision that I could have given my planes ejector seats, but I decided not to, try not getting shot down, which is about the most IoM decision I think it's possible to make

[junior robin]

thats non-canon now

[solemn gull]

That is awesome

[naive abyss]

I do hope the companions have enough helmet heads to do all helmets

[runic swallow]

Another option would be hyper garbled metrocop voices

Though, fun fact, actual encrypted comms are just static

[naive abyss]

Random thought. The new companions for DA are peak rep of the chapters poetic influence. They literally are closeted over perceived sins they would be persecuted for and have deep personal bonds with their "divine" savior aka the Lion

@untold swallow I feel this may amuse you

[untold swallow]

lmao

[naive abyss]

I also wonder how many bits they'll come with and how easy it'd be to bash them with sternguard

Cuz a super elite risen DA army appeals to me

[untold swallow]

Nicenice

[onyx elm]

So does the Imperium celebrate the Emperor equivalent of Xmas??

[uneven ember]

ISTR there is, at least in the Calixis Sector, the Feast of the Emperor's Ascension, which is both a massive interplanetary celebration and also the Administratum's tithe collection day.

It has been suggested that this was decided on to keep people in a good mood while the Imperium of Man collects a statistically significant portion of the planet's wealth every year.

[onyx elm]

Yeah, that tracks with the grimdarkiness of it all.

[jaunty dawn]

sanguinalia too

[solemn gull]

Dark angels got nothing on the fallen

Shoutout to the renegades that aren’t fulllllly heretical

They keep it real

[uneven ember]

Just had a thought on how funny I find it that
So Craftworld and Exodite Eldar treat the Soul Stones and the Infinity Circuits as effectively sacred, a heaven of their own creation valued above mortal lives. Harlequins knowingly dance at the edge of damnation but have fath (or at least hope) that their god will steal away their souls from She Who Thirsts.
Dark Eldar have no contengincy beyond living literally forever and look at anyone and everyone they know who dies and doesn't manage to get brought back and go "skill issue, couldn't be me."

[pine matrix]

Honestly yeah, I love Dark Eldar live by the "fuck it we ball" mentality

[tired cairn]

How old is the oldest Deldar?

[floral herald]

Vect is one of the oldest and its implied he was around for the fall of the eldar

[tired cairn]

That's awhile

[floral herald]

So at least 12-13k years if I’m reading it right

[tired cairn]

Random shower question I had: How many techpriests do you think have been executed for tech-heresy because they reinvented the scientific method?

[solemn gull]

Yes

[solemn gull]

I thought he was at least 20k

I forget when the eldar civilization collapsed

[floral herald]

It was like m28 or m29 iirc

I may be wrong

[solemn gull]

It is the same time the dark age started right?

[uneven ember]

Yeah, it's mentioned in some of the fluff that some of them--mostly Archons--have been around since the Fall. As they get older it takes more and more to sustain their "appetites"/ward off soul-munching, so anyone who's not one of the most powerful Drukari in the City can't keep up, but "keep this going forever" is a possible outcome.
It's just that definitionally it means looking at what happens to 99.whatever% of DEldar and going "RIP but I'm built different."

[uneven ember]

About the same time as the Great Crusade started. Slaanesh and the Eye blew out most of the warp storms that had kept humanity scattered, and Jimmy Space took the chance for the grand reunification.

[pastel rampart]

The lead up to the Fall was when the warp storms were at their worst, as it was all coalescing into Slaanesh over thousands of years.

But yeah, the Fall lead immediately to the Great Crusade.

[uneven ember]

Also: lots, but, as in real life when the wisdom of the Masters was paramount over stuff like "figuring things out" (what, you think you worked out something Aristotle didn't??), I'm sure plenty of them try to work around it by presenting their work as either interpretations or "discovered" (forged) records from the approved sources.

[tepid stratus]

I thought the fall lead to the age of darkness which was then followed by the crusade? It was after the eye of terror opened that the age of darkness started yeah?

[pastel rampart]

Nah, age of darkness is before EoT.