Warhammer and Such

[torn arrow]

Yes because it branched from ranked wargames

Barring maybe some weird character minis

[spice flicker]

I see I didn't know that

[torn arrow]

Some of the old sculptors for GW still do historicals

Like the Perry's

[spice flicker]

I saw Square based bretonnian knights and thought it was just a cavalry thing until I noticed the bases for infantry in that tomb kings leak.

[torn arrow]

Shoutout to michael perry tho

He has a cool prosthetic

[spice flicker]

The flesh is weak

[torn arrow]

Warhammer used to make historical rulesets also

[spice flicker]

Makes sense

[torn arrow]

Back in the very early days

[spice flicker]

Ye ol' olden days

[torn arrow]

Warhammer Ancient Battles or WAB is actually not a bad ruleset

[spice flicker]

How ancient are we talking?

[junior robin]

sorce I found say that ones from 2002

or 1999...

[thin ibex]

hmm there are not a lot of melee units actively good against vehicles these days

i imagine aggressors can be surprisingly ok at it due to the rr wounds

[junior robin]

looking up beastmen and it is a bit sad that the heroes with models are like "he is the biggest badest boss" while the lore ones got stuff like "born from a moon and rides around on a 2 headed monster" and " covered in swarms of insects and a mastery over ice and famine"

[spice flicker]

Isn't that first thing the qualification for an ork boss?

[junior robin]

true, but I dont think orks belive in copyrights and trademarks so beastmens should be fine using it.

[proud wing]

space marines in lore: unimaginably powerful and elite warriors, each as strong as dozens of normal men

space marines in game: as strong as maybe 2 or 3 normal soldiers

[thin ibex]

dozen? scratch that, in lore they're put to the worth of like a hundred men or something no?

but they'll still all fall over to a leman russ shot on the board

lore: battle plate that has survived literally centuries of combat, worn by a veteran of those same centuries, wielding a weapon that has stayed true that whole time
game: assault cannon made today erases them and their whole squad in one turn.

[solemn gull]

I wish space marines were as good as custodes and custodes were even better

To fit the lore

[thin ibex]

i think its actually mostly a limitation of the d6

you'd have a lot more variance (and maybe have a harder time balancing the probabilities) if the game were a d8 or d10 system

[solemn gull]

Yeah

That power scaling would break the d6

[floral herald]

I think it’s more a function of how the game works and objectives

Though frankly lore space marines would be stronger than stodes

[thin ibex]

arent they explicitly not?

[floral herald]

I think the movie marines are the only time TT marines have really approached their power

[floral herald]

I mean on the tabletop

Lore accurate space marines would be more powerful than stodes are on the tabletop

[thin ibex]

oh yeah

ok i misunderstood what you were saying

[proud wing]

I understand why it is how it is

if every non-marine faction needed 10x as many models per army, they would be way too expensive

[floral herald]

Also extremely low model count armies usually get killed on points in war games

[spice flicker]

If Asa/Yoru from Chainsaw Man existed in 40k would they be a daemonhost, something like the Val gorbak, a possessed, or something else?

[upper canopy]

So you want guard and xenos to be Really Bad

[past sphinx]

if we want lore then youd have like a cap of 10 marines on the table

max

stodes would have 1

[floral herald]

Movie marines worked like that yeah

[past sphinx]

and a few sisters

[solemn gull]

Yep

[tired cairn]

The problem TT marines have is not enough of them have names

[solemn gull]

Hell you could probably only bring 1 knight by this logic

[past sphinx]

knights come in 3s

[solemn gull]

Oh yeah that list from when they did a battle report of this exact topic

[tired cairn]

Mildly disappointed the Rhino isn't the cheapest unit

[past sphinx]

3's and slaved armigers

[solemn gull]

Talking about the new power balance I was saying

[floral herald]

Ok this quote aged hilariously

Oh this is important

I think the really funny thing about this is that stat creep has rendered the movie marines pretty normal

Desolators are basically the movie marine with missile launcher lol

[tired cairn]

I like how it doesn't (mechanically) matter if the stun double passes the save or not

[thin ibex]

xD "in order to be competetive in a normal game of 40k as the imperial guard, you will need to purchse-" check's notes "- 1000 guardsmen to start."

Imperial guard the faction has the GSC rule, where every unit regens if its infantry, no matter what

and the only way to defeat space marines is to literally bury them in corpses

and god forbid the space marine player brings a single terminator

[pastel rampart]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/1/19/The_Green_Knight.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161125102319

And this was the very first thing he sculpted after the accident.

[thin ibex]

sculpts better with his non dominant hand than I could with either of mine

[topaz elk]

Incorrect

I will solo the horde

[crisp lance]

when all you have is a thunder hammer, all problems look like a nail

[thin ibex]

ogryn be stacking hp so that when the lil uns fall over, he can take the hits on his back and encourage em back up again

Rolling heavy

I'm thinking army wide lethal hits will let the crusaders punch up

[floral herald]

Ok so the solution here is simple

Mixed scale armies

Space marines are 40mm representative heroes

Imperial guard are 4mm divisions

Other armies can fall in between

[thin ibex]

Honestly that could probably work

You don't take individual guardsmen

What's yalls vote for what kind of weapon should be strength 11

[floral herald]

Huh?

[naive abyss]

i hate that i know what piece of art this is referencing i think lol

https://www.deviantart.com/wlop/art/Guard-578845362

pretty sure its this

[floral herald]

Honestly that should be psyker not zealot

[naive abyss]

i only know because this piece of art for a time was usedd as the thumbnail for so many fantasy ambient music mix videos

since it doesnt want to embed lol

[zinc field]

Heavy venom cannons

[thin ibex]

Oh i was just asking on vibes, cause as far as i know there are know str 11 weapons

[floral herald]

Melta

[spice flicker]

The green knight?

[pastel rampart]

Yes

[thin ibex]

I had a similar thought, they'd still struggle with the heaviest armor but they could reliably chew up everything else

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/yDWNKO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMVEcA1aUvs&ab_channel=TheDrunkenOrk

[dense sedge]

brother found this is another server he's in

[naive abyss]

i posted this earlier ironically lol

the arts good ngl

https://vxtwitter.com/Pantmonger/status/1735469862074650638

https://vxtwitter.com/BitsHammer/status/1735469560101577092

[floral herald]

My brush with twitter fame made me realize just how extremely dumb the warhammer antiprogressive fandom is so much more

[naive abyss]

yeah its very dumb tbh

like it thinks it knows stuff but sorta just doesnt lol

[floral herald]

like what the fuck is this lol (this is after I posted that End and the Death excerpt)

[naive abyss]

lol

like they arent even going for a "Theres no wheels" pedantic angle

they are just saying its a chair

which is funny ngl

cuz its literally float moving around

[topaz elk]

Hover chair is like, maybe the most obvious sci-fi trope of all time

Like it’s basically flying cars

But in chair form

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/18ieknl/fyreslayer_in_space_is_done_now_dubbed_the_hot/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[floral herald]

It was disarming I admit

I didn't really know how to respond to that

[naive abyss]

the power of the most head ass nothing responses lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/18hs3s4/i_painted_me_some_of_them_newfangled_dwarven/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[alpine quarry]

I unironically feel yucky when i say that i like warhammer fantasy/old world, because it immediately brings up the chudhammers wojakposting about a GIRLY KNIGHT

BRETONNIA HAS FALLEN
BILLIONS MUST EAT ACORNS

[bright dove]

Look, if I can like Homestuck

You can like Old World.

[alpine quarry]

"m-my satirical caricature of um of how stupid and backwards people um um were before from 50 years ago has GIRLS?????"

Like wtf is this even, who are those people

[naive abyss]

i mean dumb chuds

like historically woman knights existed

so its just them being headass chuds and misogynistic

[bright dove]

Meanwhile I'm over here wondering "I wonder who the Giles to this Joan of Arc is?"

Largely because the fact that the god damn inspiration behind Bluebeard was so critically important to helping her with her military victories is just cosmically funny.

[pastel rampart]

If chuds had any sort of media literacy and historical context they wouldn't be chuds.

[alpine quarry]

God bless fantasy flight games for saying shit like "actually a ton of bretonnian knights are girls, peasants are just too afraid to deny them knighthood"

Although it is semi refreshing to see that old world seems to move away from bretonnia being a literal clown faction

Like if the entire old world was kinda satirical, bretonnia always was just

A joke

[bright dove]

I never knew enough about Bretonnia back when Warhammer fantasy was around to see if they were clowns or not.

[alpine quarry]

Sometimes wuth serious moments

[bright dove]

I only ever knew the Vampire Counts, because that was the codex my friend had.

[alpine quarry]

My knowledge of bretonnia mostly comes from whfrp books

[naive abyss]

i overall like bretonnia lore after perusing through allot of it

[pastel rampart]

Brets are clowns in lore due to being utterly ass-backwards in a lot of ways compared to the Empire, they just shrug it off like the cannonballs they do in-game.

Ward saves baybee

[naive abyss]

like it stilly but tbh i like silly in my warhammer

warhammer is at its ideal to me when its sorta grimey, cool, and silly

[alpine quarry]

Theres literally almost no difference in the canon levels of delusion between bretonnian nobility and flesh eater courts from aos

I think flesh eater courts might also kill less of their subjects then bretonnians depending on interpretation

Like it was comical

[bright dove]

Everything in the Old World is at least a little silly.

[alpine quarry]

And yea they were canonically misogynistic
That was the butt of the joke

[naive abyss]

ill say i am pretty proud of my homebrew domain lore for old world

also i find hippogryph mounts cool

theres a kickass quote for that in fact

[alpine quarry]

They were so misogynistic they looped back around to it not mattering in practice

And GW looking at old stuffand thinking "yea i think we can make it cooler" is good actually?

[naive abyss]

true

quote i alluded to

[alpine quarry]

Like sure the joke was funny but i dont think it preserving it is all that relevant

I also doubt chuds know it was a joke

[naive abyss]

well i mean the cultural misogyny and etc is still there

but like gw recognizes that lady knights would still exist

[bright dove]

Good ole Hippogriffs.

[naive abyss]

and that dame knights existing fucks

[bright dove]

Good blorbos, is what they are.

And also do a hell of a lot more harm than a pegasus.

[naive abyss]

hippogriffs being just so violent to the point its stupid is great

no thoughts only murder bird horse

[bright dove]

It's what you want in a place as hostile as a battlefield of the Old World.

[alpine quarry]

My favorite bretonnia meme is "lad of the lake" and i almost succeded in making it an actual headcannon of mine, and not an off-hand silly I like to reference

[pulsar cairn]

in my defence

charging those gunners was what kept me alive last time

[dense sedge]

that's actually a different version, look closely, this is the front, you posted the back

[unreal cosmos]

these all look real good but Trash City is especially great

Sister Moon might win via hair swoosh tho

[solemn gull]

Any necromunda players?

Thoughts on the new ash waste supplement

[sour sequoia]

Fellas we are Blending

[naive abyss]

nice

[solemn gull]

Looks good

Nice drybrush

Or is that ink?

[sour sequoia]

Edge highlighting because I’m a horrible little freak

First with moot green then hexos palesun

[solemn gull]

Thats a lot of edge highlights

You are a very brave horrible little freak

[sour sequoia]

It makes it so easy to not have a pile of shame and only buy a model a month when you do shit like this

[glossy vapor]

anyone got a reccomendation for finding simple paint schemes (specifically for raven guard with the red trim). I'm a beginner and i don't want to spend a extra $15 on 3 slighly different shades of red for edge highlighting.

[solemn gull]

Watch a lot of speed painting youtube videos

Usually got fewer colours but some nifty tricks to still add complexity

[sour sequoia]

Contrasts can help, darker = another coat or so

[glossy vapor]

ok

i was considering doing what i saw in a ultramarines video where you just mix in white in varying degrees to make the edge highlight paints.

but also blue to white looks incredibly good for edge highlights on black models IMO.

black templars example/

[floral herald]

Wet palette and this works well

For minimal work like that it’s usually easier to mix colors instead of buying new ones

Since minor mismatches won’t matter

[glossy vapor]

this is going to be a one off peice since its literally my first model.

[solemn gull]

Happy first model

What made you choose raven guard?

[glossy vapor]

Black+red fucks.

im not really thinking about the lore super intensely with these guys.

[solemn gull]

Cool, if black and red is what you are after black templars go pretty hard

[pastel rampart]

If Bloodletter Glaze still existed I'd recommend going with red > orange > yellow, then said glaze over it to tie it all together as it makes for a lovely red tone.

[glossy vapor]

black templars i actively do not vibe with.

like i know that every space marine is going to be zealous and arrogant but they just have it to a level i dont quite vibe with.

i do like sisters though so idk what to make of that.

[solemn gull]

Strange

[glossy vapor]

If i was to go with something lorewise, i might go with like, some sort of iron hands succsessor. I like the idea of leaning into the mechanized shock troops role of the astartes, as tbh i find the idea of the armored 7 foot soldiers with their jetpacks and tanks being stealth units kindof laughable.

you could also do imperial fists but i find the admech esque leanings of iron hands more intresting.

[solemn gull]

Raven guard is probably one of your best bets vibe wise, one of the few chapters that doesnt do the whole slavery thing making them pretty decent

[pastel rampart]

RG also don't get a lot of representation on the table so going with them raises their profile that tiny little bit.

[glossy vapor]

I am a college student i dont have enough money to buy minis, even these marines are leftovers from a freind.

[solemn gull]

Valid

[glossy vapor]

I dont really care about that, simply because like, being half as evil doesent really intrest me. Because like, yes they don't do slavery but they also work with people who do and want to see every other alien species dead for existing.

[solemn gull]

Real

[glossy vapor]

like, i dont hate the black templars because their evil, i hate it because everything about how they fight screams stupid and arrogant.

(and yes i am being hyperbolic a little bit here)

[solemn gull]

Interesting I never read into the melee being arrogant

[bright dove]

The arrogance is hating the codex to the point of horrible tactics

[solemn gull]

I’ve never heard of them having horrible tactics

[naive abyss]

i mean tbh the way they fight is just all the fists angry channeled into one chapter lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBWiJpZLADA&ab_channel=BroadswordWargaming

[solemn gull]

Nah I got to rep Trent

https://youtu.be/WDNnxwp9HSU?si=G8CnSHiXSMN63i07

[glossy vapor]

actually you know what i would do if it didnt mean paying $15 for a upgrade sprue: deathwatch.

deathwatch are fucking awesome.

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcJY1yuGzBY

[naive abyss]

The veterans aren't an upgrade sprue if it helps

[glossy vapor]

Eh its my first minis

I think what i can do to emulate the style is silver left arm with brass color for the shoulder pad rim.

and then i can still have the sick ass raven guard red rim on the right shoulder pad.

Oh and silver aquilla with a brass skull to emulate the brass inquisition logo.

took a look at the deathwatch rules out of curiosity.

what is reasoning behind the restrictions?

[desert jay]

Cursed game design idea: Aiming your balance at total wins and not W/L so the more popular a faction is the harder they have to claw those wins out

(For "fairness" all marines are partitioned by chapter/legion)

[floral herald]

This is so cursed lol

[sour sequoia]

IIRC isn’t this basically the case with genestealer cults rn? There’s like. One List with specific execution but hoo boy what a list

[floral herald]

I know it was in 9E but 10e GSC have less weird execution and are aiui somewhat more popular

[cinder wraith]

tomb kings box revealed

by that i mean leaked

https://tenor.com/view/leak-water-leak-leek-leek-in-the-boat-leak-in-the-boat-gif-11552221

[glossy vapor]

wait, i though they discontinued old warhammer fantasy?

thats neat that its still around

[brittle salmon]

They did

They're bringing it back in as The Old World, which is basically a new game

[glossy vapor]

cool

what exacly is the difference between AOS and old world/warhammer fantasy

i know of the stormcasts but not much else.

[bright dove]

Well, the world ended

[solemn gull]

Old world was much more OSR/low fantasy

[ebon forge]

'ove me Ogryn

[pulsar cairn]

is abbadon as big as a primarch now?

[ebon forge]

That implies abbadon is slowly growing like a Ork Warboss

[pulsar cairn]

i mean he IS bigger now

full of chaos juice

[ebon forge]

Sipping from his sippy juice

So nowadays is the hrud something? Or just the super powerful time fuckery alien race The Iron Warriors had to exterminate and nothing more?

[pulsar cairn]

i don't think they ever succeeded

they are probably still around

i don't think anyone would want to fuck with them

[jaunty dawn]

not anything more than they were when they stopped being tiny rat creatures

[ebon forge]

That's fair.
I mostly ask because of the theory of them being humans of the future

[pulsar cairn]

dang

if they are

the Eldar would be mad jealous

[ebon forge]

Or hell, even Eldar+Human of the future, because of the weaponry they had

But hey! That's just a theory so
eh A:

[naive abyss]

It's more just a different kind of high fantasy

Also it very much predates osr lol

Aos is like power metal side of van art high fantasy

And oldhammer is like high fantasy via like making lotr, historical shit, and Elric of elbione kiss

And just some general sword and sorcery stuff

[tepid stratus]

Yeah I don't think the old world qualifies as low fantasy with the high elves kicking around with phoenixes, dragons and a couple apocalypses worth of magic. The magic in particular would be much more tame in low fantasy

[naive abyss]

To say nothing of all the weird tech

Like the chorf squid submarine

I mean hells the skaven have lasers

[tepid stratus]

The lizard men have lasers. Hell the empire has lasers!

Luminark my beloved

[bright dove]

Age of Sigmar - High Fantasy (Shiny and Flashy)
Old World - High Fantasy (Gritty and Grimy)

[tepid stratus]

Basically lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think whfrp specifically would be low fantasy

[bright dove]

... Oh

This explains why I didn't like the vibe now, actually.

[thin ibex]

I think old world is lower fantasy than aos, but it's not low fantasy

[pulsar cairn]

i want a chorf hat

[naive abyss]

Even then not really I feel

You're just the silly blorbos low end power people

And even then you can be a half naked dwarf or a wizard who may or may not randomly explode

Like its just very zoomed in oldhammer

And like very much it recognizing how deadly the setting can be

[bright dove]

Never forget the skill of the Rat Catcher.

[ebon forge]

Catching
Rats?

[bright dove]

Think about what that implies in a setting where the Skaven exist.

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/rnrqkq123/status/1735655099714978288?s=20

[long void]

The Old World is still high fantasy, but the focus is more toward the ground of the footsoldiers and civilians?

The high fantasy comes from the top tier mages throwing their weight around, or ork warlords looting powerful magic items from ancient ruins.

[ebon forge]

BIG mousetrap

[ebon forge]

Yeah, remember, lord kroak is high fantasy and he summoned meteors around into the battlefield.

[ebon forge]

Good

[long void]

Lord Kroak when his body "died"

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[pine matrix]

Tech priest pog!

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/ZMIhobufxR0?si=3iCSS80IuN3buaaJ

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/15/the-advent-engine-15th-december-2023/

[floral herald]

Maybe part of a coat?

[upper canopy]

This feels like a Commissar thing

[junior robin]

thats what I would guess as well

commissars do love skulls

[desert jay]

Could be Kriegers

[junior robin]

my hopes are for Dreadnougt-Yarrick

[desert jay]

Not like there’s only one group in the Imperium that loves both skulls and coats

[naive abyss]

It's a banner I think

Bullet holes remind me allot of the guard command squad that had a damaged standard with bullet holes

[floral herald]

I could see that

The raised areas reminded me of reinforcement/greebles for a long coat but it could also be banner/flag details

I mean, clearly its Curze

[naive abyss]

DK also have very similar skull transfers to that one in the image

Like nearly one to one in shape lol

[junior robin]

interesting.

also now I want to do a IG army using krieg bodies but catachan heads and arms

[naive abyss]

Lol

[floral herald]

Actually, this is definitely the lower left corner of a DKOK banner

The raised areas line up with the raised areas for the cross on the flag

(I say lower left cause otherwise the skull is upside down)

[thin ibex]

i was thinking about the strategic potential of fielding large scale low tier assault infantry for the midboard squabble, bring ancients with em; so that the goal isn't to actually clear the opponents controlling infantry, but to out OC them and stay stuck in

OC 3 infantry with a 3+ save seems like they'd be annoyingly sticky

[naive abyss]

Yeah I feel it's very likely

Especially with all the rumor noise about them getting more plastic

[ebon forge]

I love Lord Kroak, I need to read one of his books
If he has any

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theunforgiven/s/LYGlwD7wyo

[ebon forge]

Just hope is not too long because I am not an avid reader and reading betrayer gave me fatigue

[upper canopy]

Kroak doesn't have any books

Cuz he's a corpse

[solemn gull]

I know a lot of vampire lords who would take offence to that

[thin ibex]

Think it could work?

It's light on vehicles but I think it has all the ingredients needed to contest the midboard, contest the enemies dz, flank, and enough shooting to threaten every toughness bracket

major flaws is relative fragility of some of the assault elements, having only one major armored anchor, and mid confidence that the assault tools will effectively counter/defeat the opposing enemies assault specialists

[upper canopy]

I mean full offence to every vampire living, dead, and living dead

[desert jay]

BTW, is there anyone out there who keeps organized track of rumor engines and what was what when the models come out?

[pulsar cairn]

vampires are nerds

[desert jay]

No, vampires are preps

[bright dove]

No, they're the bougie bastards.

[floral herald]

Those are the same haha

[jaunty dawn]

https://warbosskurgan.blogspot.com/p/rumour-engines.html

[desert jay]

TYTY, exactly what I was looking for

Oh wow, the Skratos was rumor engined a whole year ago

[jaunty dawn]

yup

the new overlord was like two years

[south axle]

TIL there is a Rumour Engine from 2022 that we still haven't seen a model for yet

[jaunty dawn]

713 days

[desert jay]

This one is unsolved but I feel like I've seen it

[jaunty dawn]

probably gonna be part of the kroot release

[south axle]

from 2022-09-13

[alpine quarry]

Hruds have 3 lines of lore

[desert jay]

This one has the longest gap, over two years and eight months

The shortest gap is negative 2 weeks

[south axle]

Ouf

[desert jay]

At which one?

[south axle]

THe -14 day one

Like, it feels like they should have just skipped to post it

[desert jay]

It might've been an error, it was during an advent too

[south axle]

I know that Legion Imperialis got delayed for a while so I am more accepting of that this year

[dense sedge]

It’s a shame that ghoul king model was limited time

[dense sedge]

That’s definitely gitz

[junior robin]

or primaris lieutenant for the emperors tarantulas

[naive abyss]

The Angry Arachnids

[ebon forge]

yeeeeeah

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9s5FK4XMFI

[thin ibex]

You know, how much military firepower or... nebulous "power" is contained within a single thunderhawks full compliment, not counting the thunderhawk

[spice flicker]

Weren't hruds supposed to be the 40k skaven at first?

[thin ibex]

"They don't have any heavy weapons"

[thin ibex]

"I only need 3 more ultra stars till I get a free pizza"

[desert jay]

People joke it's the Imperium but I think it's Admech specifically

• Living underground
• Cybernetic enhancement
• Messing with tech they don't always understand
• Using jezails and arquebuses
• Unleashing the power of radiation

[thin ibex]

even more so now that they are a horde army

[naive abyss]

My actual answer is it's dark mech imo

[desert jay]

Dark mech fits better but admech gets actual rep, so...

Either or

[naive abyss]

Fair

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theunforgiven/s/CEuVhoNCxH

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/T9s5FK4XMFI?si=jFh5luPRLt3_E_B4

[desert jay]

Damn seeing an armiger at full sprint looks great

[naive abyss]

Ye

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1734941130838466893

[glossy vapor]

watching more painting tutorials and man, does black live and die by the highlights more than any other color.

[pulsar cairn]

why do i see fox

[jaunty dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/maidmarian-robinhood-disney-fox-foxes-gif-19510635

this fox!

[pulsar cairn]

FOX!

[south axle]

The movie that turned a bunch in the 80s and 90s into furries

[pulsar cairn]

i only like fox cause cute

[tardy wren]

Anyone feel like a tts game?

[mental birch]

lol

brain did a double take

[mental birch]

I think you've already seen my list if you want to play against it still

hehehehe

😛

[tardy wren]

fear

[mental birch]

I am testing out fusion over plasma hahaha

plasma over fusion

[junior robin]

finally, soul drinkers pourers primaris lieutenant

[south axle]

Pour one out for the bouys

[naive abyss]

i think that might be something for a death faction based on the spooky faces in the goo

my first thought is maybe a weird vampire or ghost

[junior robin]

the old empire wizard box had a gaseous skull in a bottle so could be that as well 🤔

[naive abyss]

true but that hand is really skeletal even for a wizard

[junior robin]

well we can at least all agree its not a ogor

[dense sedge]

A lot of stuff has had Freeguilds vibes to me

[junior robin]

true

[upper canopy]

That reads tzeentch wizard to me

[naive abyss]

i could see that yeah

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1736043685219901571

[jaunty dawn]

got tac ops deck for kill team

could kinda do with two tbh but it's still v useful

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOH-DfQRIrg&ab_channel=SnipeandWib

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CktmNMHxOis&ab_channel=CultofPaint

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/18jy3lu/working_on_a_mini_diorama_its_going_to_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/Rhaazk40k/status/1736060856037679243

https://vxtwitter.com/DumbRobotStuff/status/1721829234195235125

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/jetblackraider/status/1736143350452113454?s=20

[naive abyss]

[soft willow]

I like how the Tech priest is largely unchanged.

[brittle salmon]

Holy shit this sucks

[floral herald]

It's so bad yeah

(to be clear jetblackraider is not the person who made this though)

[uneven ember]

The Flesh-Eater Courts books features a character named Cardinal Spleenspew

IDK if he's from the minis line or just a background character for the book but I love it

[indigo wadi]

https://vxtwitter.com/shitpost_2077/status/1735819529576698326

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/kawaii-cute-gif-13400601

[soft willow]

Have you also seen the Maid marines Winged?

[upper canopy]

I love how this is Oculus' immortalized shitpost

[topaz elk]

It’s a damn good one

[uneven ember]

(When did we decide that mecha have giant sirens?)
(I'm into it FWIW I'm just kinda curious)

[thin ibex]

Dunno, first time I encountered it was in warhammer

[floral herald]

It’s been a think for titans and knights for a really long time

[soft willow]

Titans have had war-horns almost as long as there have been titans.

Knights get them too because they're really just Titans you can reasonably bring in 40k.

[bright dove]

War horns are just fun.

[past sphinx]

if your going to go to all the bother of driving a multi ton bipedal warmachine near invincible to infantry elements you might as well swing dick about it and blow out their eardrums

[past sphinx]

its why all the best mechs have roll down windows

so you can throw beer cans and the fools who have to walk

[naive abyss]

the oldest instance of it is war of the worlds that i know of

that and the sorta like understanding over time taht machines are loud as fuck

also its less sirens more warhorn

which has a very very long history in human culture

[thin ibex]

I wonder what the design choice's rational behind it was back in the day

[naive abyss]

?

like why warhorns existed?

cuz its for various reasons. ranging from way to communicate orders to psychological warfare.

[torn arrow]

[banging on table]

carnyx, carnyx

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Figures_with_horns_on_the_Gundestrup_Cauldron.jpg

fear the doots

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-raphae-exactly-yes-precisely-gif-26332394

carnyx good

[thin ibex]

Oh not the warhorns in general, but in the movie war of the worlds. I imagine there's absolutely overlap with the reasoning yall listed above of course

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/YVNHwCDpzhM?si=q1YKrh0UWUPp01N7

[upper canopy]

TW: Self-harm and suicide mentions (as jokes)
https://vxtwitter.com/BDClownFarm/status/1736099116097392643

[quaint compass]

ITS LIZARD TIME BABY

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/CakelatteStuff/status/1735991549228421253

[quaint compass]

The power of socialization examplified

[uneven ember]

CARDINAL SPLEENSPEW!

[jaunty dawn]

HONSE

[floral herald]

Could be a beastguy

Maybe

But that’s probably a honse

[jaunty dawn]

I think there's a decent chance of empire coming after old world launch

[jovial berry]

Epic beast WIP

[naive abyss]

as memory serves the current rumor rumbles are for an empire vs orc and goblins thing after launch

[tepid stratus]

I know a lot of people who would get nostalgia boners for a remake of the old black fire pass box

At least I believe that's what that box was called

[pastel rampart]

That was dorfs vs orcs, but yeah

[tepid stratus]

What was the old empire and orcs one? Could have sworn it was a launch box for one of the early editions

[pastel rampart]

That was 6th ed.

https://www.whtreasury.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/11-4534-scaled.jpg

https://www.whtreasury.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/11-4588-4-scaled.jpg

[pine matrix]

That was the first box I ever got

Those little measuring sticks...

[pastel rampart]

I remember those sticks from the Mordheim box, and how we always had to confiscate the fucking things because people would hit each other with'em.

[soft willow]

Whippy sticks are great. The LI starter has em.

[naive abyss]

ngl the sixth edition rulebook has the best cover imo

love the faux lithographic in the background of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNx_jFFkME8&t=3s&ab_channel=AnvilofDoomMiniatures

more clear image of the sixth edition cover for those interested btw

also scuze me its not a faux lithograph its a faux wood cut

but yeah i love the like grimey historical fantasy vibes it gives

[pastel rampart]

Too bad the binding on it was so bad.

Same with the 3e 40k rulebook released around the same time.

[naive abyss]

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/18kndkf/leagues_of_votann_einhyr_champions_from_the_jotun/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[uneven ember]

My copy of Necromunda from right around then was held together with duct tape within like a month.

[naive abyss]

[floral herald]

god this is the funniest 40k joke for me still

[jaunty dawn]

holy shit

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1186102568263364668/image.png?ex=65920718&is=657f9218&hm=3ff82970dd06772b9574e7a487a529ce62391f85b6c63eed267f2ec2614dabd0&

[jaunty dawn]

that's amazing

[unreal cosmos]

this is what happens when you don't harvest the progenoid glands

[proud wing]

who would win in a fight

[jaunty dawn]

iron hands for sure

[proud wing]

yeah, i know that space marines are some of the most powerful warriors in the galaxy

but two iron hands have got to be better than one iron hand

[soft willow]

Unless one of those hands has a bolter I don’t know that it matters.

[pulsar cairn]

if the world ended

how is there some stuff from the old world around still

like Nagash who's now a god

[jaunty dawn]

cause they survived!

[solemn gull]

I can’t get over how stupid Iron Hands are

Why go through the process of cultivating these super awesome warriors just to replace them with bionics

If you want super cool cyborg warriors just make really cool cyborgs

[jaunty dawn]

it's a maladaptive coping mechanism for failure

and losing their primarch was the ultimate failure

iron hands as a like, community beyond the fact they're astartes have a bunch of cool tech and knowledge though

[proud wing]

so i don't know much about iron hands lore specifically, but the Astartes are the strongest (non-tyranid) lifeforms in the galaxy

[naive abyss]

well

orks

[jaunty dawn]

and the gene seed technology is partially all about not rejecting transplants etc

[proud wing]

and imo it makes sense to put your best, most precious ability-enhancing technology on your best, most precious people with the strongest baseline abilities

[naive abyss]

and several xenos species beyond that tbh

[jaunty dawn]

so they do straight up do things differently and sometimes better than like skitarii equivalents

[proud wing]

well, the strongest lifeforms the imperium has access to

[thin ibex]

theyre amongst the most elite entities in the galaxy, but not the strongest. Theres not a lot in the world that can write them off though

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah to a certain extent the iron hands ultimate goal is to make their astartes enahncements obsolete, because the flesh is weak.

[naive abyss]

which is them taking all the wrong lessons from their dad lol

[jaunty dawn]

the dreadnought isn't terminal life support, it's the improvement of perfection beyond the designs of the emperor himself

[floral herald]

Iron Hands also use special bionics you need to be a space marine to mount

Just from a biomechanical perspective

But a lot of it is basically Advanced Cope

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[thin ibex]

iron hands bionics probably would kill lesser mortals to get installed

[jaunty dawn]

it's very much a combination of the two

[floral herald]

The Iron Hands are also one of the rare technologically sophisticated groups in the Imperium which hasn't bowed to the admech

[jaunty dawn]

admech has quite significantly captured them

[thin ibex]

arent they currently quite entangled with hte admech?

[jaunty dawn]

but they're still like, a seperate organisation

and body of technological knowledge

just one that the admech manipulates quite extensively

[floral herald]

Partially, but they're still independent

[jaunty dawn]

including just making a fake ferrus bible haha

but yeah the keys of hel are daot shit

[jaunty dawn]

basically the world-that-was was destroyed, but the mortal realms are made from the same raw stuff

[thin ibex]

i will make an ironhands primaris list

[jaunty dawn]

like the core of the planet survived and is now a moon of azyr

[pulsar cairn]

oh

[naive abyss]

and is also how sigmar got to the mortal realms lol

[pulsar cairn]

unde is sigmar in disguise

[naive abyss]

lol

[pulsar cairn]

so

some of the world survived

[naive abyss]

more or less yeah

in nagashs case its more he just cant die at this point i dont think

[pastel rampart]

Lots of things managed to survive the End Times, just that most seemed to be in spirit. Possibly tied to the metal core of the Old World that Sigmar clung onto.

[jaunty dawn]

I think most regular guys are descendants of refugees from the world-that-was

is my understanding

i.e dawi and cities of sigmar?

and daughters of khaine sans scathborn

skaven too

[thin ibex]

skaven like gnawed their way through like the 4th wall to ensure they survived the end times

[jaunty dawn]

slann escaped

pretty much all of chaos is either a daemon or a Regular Guy

[pulsar cairn]

i feel like space marines would have a hard time dealing with skaven

not even the end times could put them down

[jaunty dawn]

how ork-kind got to the mortal realms is. Unclear

they got there before even the gods

[thin ibex]

i think space marines would have no trouble dealing with like... skaven in c ombat; but would have a very hard time getting rid of them

[jaunty dawn]

genestealer cults are basically the 40k equiv

and yeah if take off and nuke from orbit isn't an option it's difficult

[naive abyss]

gotrek tbh still probably has the most metal path into aos

literally just doomslayered in the realms of chaos until the gods got concerned enough about it that they yeeted him out

[proud wing]

oh also re:3d printing price discussion from the other day

you can currently get a pretty decent 3D printer designed for miniatures straight from the company for $90
https://www.ebay.com/itm/354908538363

[naive abyss]

||https://vxtwitter.com/JanRockArt/status/1736468806728610301||

cw for a small amount of nonsexual nudity

[thin ibex]

I forget, penitent engines, the sister attached does not get redeemed until they die right?

[zinc field]

rather tame for janrock tbh

[pulsar cairn]

how does a penitent engine work btw

does it use u as a battery or something

[jaunty dawn]

your brain is in charge

[pulsar cairn]

or it just tortures u while leaving u extremely vulnerable

[jaunty dawn]

and it gives you drugs that mean you can survive pretty much anything

[zinc field]

it's a guided missile of a mech, and you are the guidance system

[jaunty dawn]

but you still feel all the pain

[pulsar cairn]

i see

i've seen a guy in one of those before what gets u stuck kn that

[jaunty dawn]

heresy

[zinc field]

usually an unwilling and drugged up guidance system too. If you're really unlucky, you'll get a plate of armor between you and the bullets

[jaunty dawn]

but more than just heresy you have to be repentant

so like

the idea is that by becoming a penitent engine or arco flagellant, you will redeem your soul in death

[thin ibex]

whats the difference between mortifier and penitent engine as far as tools?

[jaunty dawn]

to atone for your sin in life

[pulsar cairn]

so you have the choice?

or are they just like "oh oh u broke the rules, to the penitent engine u go"

[jaunty dawn]

its. a coerced choice

but it is different from like, being burned on a pyre

[pulsar cairn]

burn me on a pyre i'm immune to it

[jaunty dawn]

mortifiers as tools are being piloted by a highly trained individual with an insane level of willpower

[zinc field]

huh. must be a Genghis player

[jaunty dawn]

so they're more precision instruments

[pulsar cairn]

i wonder who came up with this shit

cause you know they found the blueprints for that at some point

[zinc field]

some really bored british dudes

[jaunty dawn]

mechanically this often means it's a good idea to run them with heavy bolters while penitents like flamers

because like; a sister knows how to shoot good and keep doing so while she's not only being shot at but also tortured by the machine directly

while a penitent engine is just gonna run screaming in the direction of the enemies of the emperor

[pulsar cairn]

i imagine cause a lot of common folk get stuck into those

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

they're civilians

turned into weapons

[naive abyss]

also penitents are now prisorners

mortifiers are the version for sob lol

specifically its for repentia who flee

[jaunty dawn]

yeah repentia can redeem themselves without dying (but they probably will)

so if you fuck up being a repentia then your only hope for redemption is the next level up

[naive abyss]

it is time for you to go into the pain cube

[pulsar cairn]

sometimes you get lucky and get turned into a demon

oh wait

that only happaned once

[uneven ember]

I'm pretty sure that Penitent Engines are more for the "general public" who get punished for heresy, Mortifiers and Anchorites are Sisters.

Or maybe that has changed between editions idk

[past sphinx]

man i really want some Arco flagellants for a necromunda games but boy i aint buy a 60 dollar box for 2 of the 10 models

[cinder wraith]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/18/warhammer-amazon-contracts-signed-the-news-every-warhammer-fan-has-been-waiting-for/?fbclid=IwAR37daEk5_gkUDj6P2SCLephl7Nt_iwpBkz0p6DhXMJNPHGznQt0aYUB2j4

[cinder wraith]

good gods

horus heresy is FUN

[pulsar cairn]

[cinder wraith]

world eaters specifically

[pulsar cairn]

ur fun

[cinder wraith]

i just learnt about the fucking BERSERKER upgrade for characters and what it do

it turns your character a monster

just gives ravening madmen rule so that they can run with rampagers / red butchers

and what that does

is turning you WS 3 and -1 to wound ignoring rule purposes (instant death would still be in effect)

sorry

turns out it turns my character WS 3 but the attacker is -1 strength in wounding

[ebon forge]

I absolutely love that artist style

[ebon forge]

Being Peter Turbo is suffering

[pine matrix]

Let's goooo

World Eaters are cool, I'm wondering if I want to make them an allied force for my Alphas

[pine matrix]

Do NOT interrupt Pert when he's infodumping

[ebon forge]

You WILL hear his 4 hour infodump about his Factorio base

[thin ibex]

"Perty, please stop infodumping"

I'm literally just talking, this is how I talk, what the fuck even is 'infodumping'? Rude. Anyway what I was saying about factorio...

[naive abyss]

yoooo

We got neferata faction rep

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/18/the-fang-of-nulahmia-meet-neferatas-chief-lieutenant/

[ebon forge]

S N E K
Those scales must be satisfying or hell to paint

[jaunty dawn]

oooh nice

[ebon forge]

Oh god he would 100% speedrun teh scenarios

[naive abyss]

I love this model Ngl

[pulsar cairn]

did Rogal dorn make the pain glove

or did he find it somewhere

i imagine that at the time people couldn't do much about primarchs and legions inventing stuff

[ebon forge]

I was surprised the Pain Glove is a lore thing and not a bit from TTS

[pulsar cairn]

oh yeah

[naive abyss]

Though it being a snake does sorta throw me off due to oldhammer lore lol

Since I associate cats more with neferata and snakes with khalida

[past sphinx]

Found it I believe

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[past sphinx]

And admech dont do invention but everybody else does

Admech just have a manufacturing base

[pulsar cairn]

so....u don't need to be an inquisitor to invent stuff?

or a heretic

[past sphinx]

Nope if you are not part of the cult mechanicus it's not a sin

Big E don't care

[ebon forge]

.
Oh
huh

Perti would be pants shitting angry if that was not the case I imagine

[past sphinx]

But you don't want to go flaunting it around the people who build all your guns

[topaz elk]

YOOOOOO LETS GO

[ebon forge]

Yeah i imagine

I love the admech drip but the 'no invent new things' rules is just baffling

[pulsar cairn]

i imagine that if i did ivent something real good we could just bullshit our way into telling them we found it

[ebon forge]

Ah yes
The Cawl way

[bright dove]

Admech are still collectively traumatized by the Men of Iron and the end of the Dark Age of Technology. You know, the time where things got so bad that the Emperor went "Alright, I guess I need to take over to get things stabilized."

[past sphinx]

Imagine if a catholic bishop announced he had written a new book of the bible

[pulsar cairn]

protestant reformation but admech

nvm that's just the horus heresy

[bright dove]

Dark Mechanicus. 😛

[pulsar cairn]

i hope that when their lore arrives their stuff isn't just disgusting chaos juiced tech

i mean beeg lore with minis and all

[past sphinx]

The body horror was already very strong in 30k

[jaunty dawn]

when you barely understand your best technology inventing is kinda eh anyway

[pulsar cairn]

yes but tzeench

[jaunty dawn]

like why invent something you understand when you can spend that time digging and find something 10x better

[ebon forge]

Yeeeeah...

[jaunty dawn]

not like darkmech is eclipsing the imperium

[ebon forge]

In the past, happened more than you think, the current bible is basically what the catholics say 'yeah those are canon'

[pulsar cairn]

it's more that i wanted to see unique stuff from them rather than just chaos versions of imperial stuff

[ebon forge]

And the new testament is a remake

[ebon forge]

More like "Everyone kinda does but in secret"

[past sphinx]

But I assume you understand the analogy

[ebon forge]

Oh yeah 100%

Like, yeah it makes sense

And when you look at the '40k is a parody' angle, it makes even more sense

[long void]

Admech do "make" things, but usually by applying templates that are safe.

like the design for the triple lasgun predator tank.

It took about 3 centuries for that to be officially approved, but it was in production for awhile.

[past sphinx]

Their kitbashing essentially

[ebon forge]

Is less "This makes no sense how dare they don't make my thing realistic" and more
"The grey knights are so cool but they killing civvies so freely takes points away"

[ebon forge]

Guilliman would be raging allt he way, I am sure.

[pulsar cairn]

i like Guilliman

[long void]

Hardline Admech are the tournament organizers that say no to extremely converted armies 😆

[ebon forge]

Me too, I appreciate him very much, I should read one of his books after I am done with perty

[ebon forge]

But I still love Admech A:

And Skitariis are adorable

[naive abyss]

Man the new lahmian vamp is making me debate what I want to do for my old world vamps again

Cuz it's a near perfect template to make a neferata

Just would have to do some head and weapon swaps

[thin ibex]

Hmm what shall today's armies be

[ebon forge]

Beastman

[thin ibex]

Hmm are they in New recruit?

Or b scribe

[tepid stratus]

They're in b scribe but idk how up to date the repository is

I've been using the AOS app for a while now because it's actually good and free unlike the 40k counterpart

[ebon forge]

They are in kill team :3c

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/18/old-world-almanack-mustering-the-grand-army-of-bretonnia/

nice they at least have rules for the superior brett fancy mount

[bright dove]

Look at that drooling murderbeast

No thoughts, head empty

[thin ibex]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/18/warhammer-amazon-contracts-signed-the-news-every-warhammer-fan-has-been-waiting-for/

[naive abyss]

Love hippogryphs

[thin ibex]

Beastmen!

i don't know AOS well, but the game plan is use the massed infantry that keeps regenerating to permacontest/control objectives and block out more elite foes from going where they want

, the bray shaman want to cast the atrophy spell to pinpoint target important stuff to get torn down, cygor and archers hard focus whatever gets targeted

though what's "damage *" mean?

[bright dove]

It's based on the table for that unit

Or the specific rules text

[thin ibex]

ahh i see

the cygor hits hard

[bright dove]

Yuuup

[thin ibex]

i uppose as the only big big boi on the list, he should

him and the dragon ogors being the main monsters

and otherwise its a massive bray herd

[bright dove]

It's some excellent magic punishment too

Unbind 2 spells a turn, eartendless spells, make a successful cast cost a wound

[thin ibex]

yup that was totally on purpose and not a happy discovery right now

turns out is a great choice to limit magic craziness and a good centerpiece

[bright dove]

Indeed

[thin ibex]

I know very little about AOS, but I'm reasonably confident my basic gameplan actually could work

main thing is i don't know how fast things die or how easily things get focused

but if every gor unit is regenning

they'll be a nightmare to actually finish off

which means they'll contest points like crazy

[bright dove]

Some things can be rather nasty

[floral herald]

/r/minipainting is such a funny subreddit

[bright dove]

What is nice for Beastmen is the ambushing

[floral herald]

"just painted my first space marine, not sure what to think of it"

that's cool buddy

It's like a whole mini-genre of post

[proud wing]

i'm not sure what the joke is?

just that it's better than you'd expect for a first timer?

[thin ibex]

It doesn't at all look like someone's first mini

[past sphinx]

Once saw a "my first mini" and it was the most perfect blended Celestine I'd ever fucking seen

Plato most perfect form shit

[thin ibex]

There's some room for doubt, but often times "my first mini" posts can be like... hyper experienced veteran miniature painters who are just kinda lying for some reason

[floral herald]

It's mostly a joke about not painting space marines I think

Since that's a pretty technical paint job

https://www.reddit.com/r/minipainting/comments/18l7a9v/my_first_spacemarine_i_dont_know_what_to_think/

[pastel rampart]

It could very well be their first space marine miniature, but not their first miniature.

[floral herald]

yeah

they collect admech

[thin ibex]

i usually think its a bit tongue in cheek and comedic, but it can sometimes feel like a bad attempt at humble bragging lol

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/WH40kbestof/status/1736576768142630941?t=HTyOkwC029QPNfv6eQtL6g&s=19

[floral herald]

Oh yeah it's a funny bit

Minipainting is a fun place to browse

The top of all time post is wild though

[thin ibex]

"It's real lava, please don't touch it"

[bright dove]

Oh

Oh wow

[thin ibex]

i can imagine accidentally bumping into it and just fucking, sizzling

[bright dove]

And those crystals

[pastel rampart]

There's also some people that come from a traditional painting background and adapt their knowledge to miniature painting and blow it outta the water first try.

[floral herald]

its fucking crazy good color and osl

yeah

[pastel rampart]

The lava base above is one of those things were fundamentally I know how they did it and what techniques they likely used, and it's not that difficult to learn, but fuck me I ain't doing that it's too much goddamn work lmao

[ebon forge]

Those metals reflections
How

[tepid stratus]

Triple bray shaman and 6 bullgors is the staple I keep seeing at my events

[thin ibex]

ahh, yeah i know nothin about how to properly list build in AOS, i do think i cover most bases at least somewhat though

lots of wounds on the table, some fast movers, a big boi

[bright dove]

Oooh, Beastmen Herdstones rock

[thin ibex]

maybe a herdstone would make sense with so many models

[tepid stratus]

The big boi that gets the most action these days is the cockatrice. It's a fun time

[bright dove]

It's free point wise

[floral herald]

Oh there's a finished piece as well!

[thin ibex]

I honestly picked cygor off of rep and novel presence moreso than statistical; i ended up learning about the stuff it can do AFTER the fact lol

cygor gets a lot of hype when it shows up in stories

[pastel rampart]

Look closely at the colors and notice how it's easily broken down into some pretty basic colors and shading. The white is pure white, the purple and red is shaded black when it's shaded at all. Fairly simple painting techniques that is broken down by each side and keeping in mind where the light should be reflecting, which is the real trick there.

[thin ibex]

and is ALWAYS a big f-ing problem

[pastel rampart]

Knowing how gems/metal reflects is a whoooooole fucking thing.

[thin ibex]

the point lighting is amazing tbh

i wonder if the model itseld looks a bit odd reflectnig red light with a bright directional highlight without the context of it's base

[tepid stratus]

The reason triple bray is the go to is because all 3 can do rituals and one can do them from the board edge while in reserves. The bullgors can deep strike in 7" away and have +1 to charge so they rock up from the board edge and nuke a problem unit

[pastel rampart]

Oh yeah it's an amazing piece, but knowing how things are done puts you one step closer to actually doing it.

[long void]

heck yeah, that's like 75% Slambo

[thin ibex]

also kudos to them for makin the metal weapons look metal and those edges look sharp

[thin ibex]

i imagine my haphazard list ultimately lacks killing power, but i think it has a lot of staying power

allherd seems fun if you want to make very sticky blocks of gors

[bright dove]

A herdstone probably makes up for the killing power

[tepid stratus]

On a casual level sure but not on a competitive level. Average damage output of competitive lists is going to be lifting whole units or doing enough to force bad battleshock tests on the survivors.

[thin ibex]

thats ok though, i wasn't making a competetive list

[tepid stratus]

Beastmen don't tank, they do deployment/movement shenanigans and glass cannon on a competitive level

[ebon forge]

So they are Khrone²?

[tepid stratus]

They're one of the few armies that can null deploy so they get scary in the hands of a good player

[thin ibex]

very little of my list making decisions were made with the "how will this perform on a competetive stage" and rather more along the lines of "what fits the theme and at least attempts to cover my bases"

[tepid stratus]

Khorne in AOS can actually tank pretty well if they want to. They have easy access to 3+ saves and wards

[thin ibex]

because the list will literally never play on a competetive stage

[tepid stratus]

Khorne wants to be a hammer or a grind house. Beastmen are jumping from the bushes with hand grenades and graduate to tactical nukes as the game goes on

[bright dove]

So the best way to build an army list. :p

[thin ibex]

Narratively, beastmen comes in great, massive herds, they overwhelm their opponents in braying tides, and with them come great monsters from the depths of the dark woods

[ebon forge]

Oooh interesting! Thanks

[thin ibex]

though they DO also tend to come from many directions, and favor ambushes or wide flanks

which is a thing i think the list doesn't do

[tepid stratus]

Depends on the herd. Quake fray is majority big monsters and their cygors are priests. Turns out the big guys are quite devout

Gavespawn worship pure chaos and venerate Morghur as a minor chaos deity. Their herds include congregations of chaos spawn and their beast lords frequently mutate into spawn themselves

[thin ibex]

did moghur get elevated in AOS to something even scarier?

If i did gavespawn, it'd do to throw in a healthy chunk of chaos spawn eh?

[tepid stratus]

Nah his spirit is just kinda an entity in the warp now

[tepid stratus]

Their gimmick is they can run spawn in units of 3

[thin ibex]

oh are they not normally a multiple entity unit?

[tepid stratus]

Nope they're single model units normally

[thin ibex]

oo

neat

I always gravitated more towards the kazrakh one-eye side of the beastmen rather than the shadowgave, but i do think the mutated bois niche is well owned by the beastmen

[tepid stratus]

They do it better than tzeentch these days

[bright dove]

Oh wow, Darkwalkers seems rad

[thin ibex]

Tzeentch, despite like having it be a big thing for them, didn't feel as... chaotic in nature as the beast men to me lol, which is a little ironic all things considered

[tepid stratus]

Dark walkers is pretty popular. They run lots of raiders to supplement their lists

[thin ibex]

They're all about redeploy shenanigans right?

[tepid stratus]

That's because tzeentch cheats. It's not chaos, it's scheming

[bright dove]

Correct

[tepid stratus]

Ungor and for units wholly within 9" of the board edge can go back into reserves as darkwalkers

[thin ibex]

That's fun

[bright dove]

Which meshes nicely with the ambush

[tepid stratus]

Especially fun when ungor raiders can shoot from reserves

[thin ibex]

Might actually work for my list, I just went all herd because I figured lots of regen would be an annoying characteristic and also communicate like more gors just running out of the forest to bolster the horde

[bright dove]

But Allherd is also good

[thin ibex]

I'll make my own take on each of the army types i think

It's relatively quick

[bright dove]

Ye

[tepid stratus]

Allherd wants reinforced units since a unit that gets wiped can't regen lol

[thin ibex]

Ironically the list building made more sense to me with the beastmen than it did with the storm cast purely on the virtue of not have a million commanders

[bright dove]

Allherd synergizes well with the Herdstone if you have resilient gors

[past sphinx]

It's very interesting to see the rather large gap between people who understand the method and people who grasp the technique as a whole

[tepid stratus]

Lord relictor, lord Arcanum, Bastian, celestant prime, knight draconis, Ionus cryptborn. Those are the ones that anyone cares about

[past sphinx]

I spent many many hours staring at marble headstones when I did marble faux finish for people

[bright dove]

And thanks to how Beastmen can deploy piecemeal, it seems they can play the objective game quite well

[naive abyss]

huh

I feel this cold be allot of things

[tepid stratus]

Kroot

I cope

[past sphinx]

Pitbbeast perhaps?

[naive abyss]

Lol

[past sphinx]

Scaven don't need another monster

[bright dove]

Lizarb

[naive abyss]

Maybe a chaos dragon?

[pastel rampart]

I'm not sure there's that large of a gap between the two. One usually leads to the other, it's a matter of execution.

[pastel rampart]

Me when I see cheeseburger.

[naive abyss]

Lol

[past sphinx]

Like line weight in art

Err

2d art

[pastel rampart]

Yeah

[pine matrix]

Just noticed you can take mercenaries?? Dogs of war making a comeback?

Also Armies of Infamy sound like fun

[naive abyss]

I mean mercs are distinct from dogs of war

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, ogre kingdoms used to have army-wide mercenary rules so you could take them with damn near anyone.

Dogs of War are (usually) specific, named, unique units that can be taken as mercenaries.

[jaunty dawn]

it was also a group of generic mercenaries

like it's where giants lived

[naive abyss]

Well for a time

As memory serves they eventually got rolled into orcs and goblins and chaos warriors

[thin ibex]

The DoW are like, specific famous mercs right?

[pastel rampart]

And then briefly came back when the plastic giant kit came back and they went "hey yeah you can also take it in other armies!"

[jaunty dawn]

regiments of renown was the named subset

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/18/space-marine-scout-squad-kit-focus-anatomy-of-a-novitiate/

auspex boy grapplehook boy

[pulsar cairn]

I'm the one on the right

[bright dove]

I am realizing that the Doomblast Dirgehorn Endless spell might help your game plan here!

[pulsar cairn]

space marine scouts are still going through tests right?

[floral herald]

What the heck is that title

Novitiate?

[thin ibex]

oh whats that do?

also aren't novitiates a sisters thing?

[tepid stratus]

6" bubble of -1 to wound that gets bigger by 6" each subsequent round

[thin ibex]

oooo

[bright dove]

6 inch range of -1 to wound rolls that expands by- ye, that

[thin ibex]

herdstone plus that seems cool

i hit better, you hit worse

[jaunty dawn]

space marines are monks

[tepid stratus]

It doesn't see much play unfortunately because your casters don't spend much time on the table and it's easy to dispel for your opponent

[bright dove]

With that and Allherd, you can make stuff that really sticks to an objective

But it is only 30 points

[tepid stratus]

Usually when beastmen players take an endless spell it's the wildfire Taurus for the 2+ fights last

[floral herald]

It is, space marine scouts are neophytes

[bright dove]

Also fair

[thin ibex]

It's not the most efficient play for sure, but it does have logical follow theory with the game plan

Through*

[tepid stratus]

Don't need you to hit worse if I hit first and kill you

[bright dove]

But consider: Making people hit worse is fun

[pulsar cairn]

that's basically kendo

[thin ibex]

my own experience with kendo tended towards swinging second lends you advantage

[tepid stratus]

That's what slaanesh is for

[thin ibex]

which is kinda of why a lot of kendoka posture and try to bait out the attack so they can hit in the same tempo

but same-tempo striking isn't a thing in warhammer's boards xD

[tepid stratus]

My ironjawz beg to differ

[floral herald]

At least not right now

Oh I think I misunderstood same tempo

Ccause matched initiative melee was a thing haha

[thin ibex]

broadly i think you have the right idea nw lol

with kendo, striking second means your attack (ideally) can be a parry and a strike simultaneously, which in turn means that the opponent is incapable of reacting because they've already deployed their attack. At least in principle. But it calls for you to react quickly and accurately assess the incoming attack.

same-tempo mostly meaning your opponent is being struck during a beat where an attack is deployed, as generally you're most vulnerable mid attack

[naive abyss]

I've already said it but man I love the new vamp mini

[ebon forge]

That moment when you learn that 40k uses 'heresy' wrong
Fuck >:V

[tepid stratus]

If you like that then I think you'd dig the lord of hubris in slaanesh

[pulsar cairn]

i thought the lord of Hubris was the Drikhari guy

the drukhari big cheese

[ebon forge]

`‘Before my conquest of Kardis, its walls were deemed unbreakable Not one enemy had succeeded in overthrowing them in over a thousand years, not until I brought them down. I rebuilt them to a better plan. Against any ground force they would be unbreakable save by me I will not conquer this city as I once did. I will not break its walls, or kill its people with my warriors.’

There were looks of relief of the faces of some Others were more cautious.

‘What will you do' asked Eugon Ptolemiades, whose city Kardis was.

‘I will destroy it. Utterly. I will annihilate Kardis. It was the site of my first victory in the unification of Olympia. It shall be the beginning of its punishment.`

And people say Perty has no sense of humor

[thin ibex]

slaanesh slave to darkness, daemons, or beastmen?

[ebon forge]

PFFFF Plz

[pine matrix]

Yeah, the 30k Imperium's use of the term Heresy isn't really in-line with how we use it, since it's really supposed to be a secular empire. But I guess the Horus Infidelity does really have the same ring to it. The Horus Schism?

[thin ibex]

I suspect it was labeled as such by more secular imperial cultists after the fact

[floral herald]

I think it was just called the horus heresy later

And it was just the Horus Rebellion or something at the time

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think anyone was like "this truly was a horus heresy" at the time no

age of darkness

[pastel rampart]

Which is why it would be perfect for Emps to say that in the last HH book while facing down Horus.

[jaunty dawn]

your horus heresy has gone far enough son

[ebon forge]

The horus Apostate would be more in line but yeeeeah
Horus Heresy sounds cooler

Also I finished hammer of Olympia
My fucking heart is broken

[upper canopy]

Is HH done yet

[pastel rampart]

Nope.

[ebon forge]

1 book left

My favorite part is still the Custodes cringing when the emperor tried to smile

[jaunty dawn]

won't even start for another 28k years

[pastel rampart]

1 book left and then 20 more books dealing with the immediate aftermath and all these side-stories that happened during that time

HH will be the american football season of book series, it will never truly end.

[jaunty dawn]

horus blasphemy

[ebon forge]

Yeah blasphemy would work too

[junior robin]

the horus hallaballoo

[jaunty dawn]

the horus affair

[ebon forge]

So
The Hours 4 way?

[junior robin]

Horusgate

[ebon forge]

I don't know if I should slap you or shake your hand

[jaunty dawn]

the treacher-legion revolt

[ebon forge]

'Father.’ Kneeling, Perturabo was still taller than the man, but he was left in no doubt that this strange visitor surpassed him in every way.

Holyshit Peter is taller than Big E

[pastel rampart]

Big E's height is morphable and no one truly knows his real image or height, so I suspect he did that intentionally when meeting Perty.

[ebon forge]

You got a good point

[still warren]

Wait so he doesn't have to appear as a golden god to everyone?

[ebon forge]

For the sisters of silence he probably look sleepy

Also hey, first 40k book that made me almost cry (didn't because I am at work) yaaaay

[ebon forge]

Night Lords: The Omnibus next!

[thin ibex]

yeah, for the wolves, when he met leman, he looked like a big, normal dude with a hood until the final contest where he punched leman across the room

[proud wing]

didn't the emperor once disguise as a normal dude to have a philosophical debate with a priest as he was banning religion

[ebon forge]

I though he still looked tall af and buff

[proud wing]

yeah but primarchs are like 12 feet tall

he could in no way blend in without shrinking

[ebon forge]

Some taller than others, but yeah

[tired cairn]

Why was the Emperor so tall

Did he just naturally grow that big?

[ebon forge]

Imposing + Awe + intimidation

[proud wing]

it's dark souls/Sekiro rules

[jaunty dawn]

cause he's made of warp juice

[proud wing]

being strong or important just makes you big

[brittle salmon]

Part of it is he probably biomancy'd himself to be that big

[ebon forge]

Ork rules

[dry sierra]

He read a study that said that tall people got elected more and went “Alright, bet”

(Who knows if it worked or not, it isn’t like the Emperor has been elected in at least thirty thousand years)

[past sphinx]

Emps appears as he wishes to appear

Canonically illusionary

How the fuck that works while wearing armor?

No fuckin clue

[thin ibex]

Vissur... "elected"? The Emperor elected?

[thin ibex]

Corvus had to get it from someone

[dry sierra]

Highly unlikely that he was ever elected, aye

[glossy vapor]

How

how do you make a 3d peice of plastic look like a 2d painting.

[brittle salmon]

Painting techniques can get extremely high level

[naive abyss]

random but i have a theory that we may be getting yarrick returning as the big named character for an ork invasion of krieg

i have no real justification for this beyond the DKOK rumors lol

[thin ibex]

I dunno what yarricks got to do with the krieg is probably my main big question there

[floral herald]

He’s got beef with orks

I personally hope they let him stay retired or dead

I prefer new characters for the guard a lot of the time

[thin ibex]

he was already old by the time armageddon 2 electric boogaloo started

[upper canopy]

The only way I'd accept a new Yarrick is if he's the Guard Primarch

Via ripping his legs off and surgically attatching him to the Fortress of Arrogance

[thin ibex]

Bad guy-ified yarrick would be acceptable to me

[upper canopy]

He's already a bad guy

Evil overlord stopping the orks from reclaiming their homeworld

[thin ibex]

yeah, but hes not the aggressor in his stories

[tepid stratus]

Yarrick as a zombified corps mindlessly waging war on the orks like a puppet because Gaz has gaslit all of Ork kind into believing Yarrick is still out there looking to krump

[upper canopy]

artist rendition of my idea